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crime, but we knew that. But it will be very benefit, it'll be it'll be it'll be life changing for people who were on the on the brink of starvation. 00:05:42 Speaker 2: Life preserving for people who were on the brink up starvation and being bombed and slaughtered on a routine basis. Also interesting that GHF apparently is done moving forward. I know you guys have been reporting previously that Israel was really trying to keep GHF in place, so that seems, you know, quite significant. GHF, of course, was the site of those routine or outside of their sites, was the where there were these routine AID massacres committed by IDF troops, where we had doctors saying, you know, every time there's a GHF AID distribution, we have mass casualty events show up at our hospitals. So of course, very noteworthy that that's going to be gone. The other noteworthy thing, and Griffin, I don't know if you can pull this up or a news article to this effect, but they're talking about an international force on the ground to police the ceasefire deal, and as part of that, the US will be sending some two hundred troops to Israel, So American boots on the ground here to make sure that our ally upholds their end of the ceasefire deal. 00:06:47 Speaker 3: At least that's the idea here. 00:06:52 Speaker 7: The point that Ryan and Jeremy have made in the reporting at drop site that I find very interesting is how the pressures applied to the Arab world in Egypt were really consequential. Uh, I'm sorry, the pressures applied by the Arab world to the Israelis in Egypt. 00:07:14 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. 00:07:15 Speaker 7: One of those pines to the Palestinians in Egypt were utterly consequential. And what's interesting to me about that, Ryan is you guys have mentioned that for Palestinians, it was important that Trump sort of put his own credibility into the negotiation by being the head of the board, the committee that's supposed to oversee the peace process and the plan in Gaza. 00:07:39 Speaker 5: And I guess this question. 00:07:42 Speaker 7: About troops or how it's you know, how how these trip wires or how Ntsan Yahoo could violate the terms of the peace plan. At this point, I was wondering if you had any more thoughts on how like Kushner and wit Coough and Trump himself have like put themselves. 00:07:58 Speaker 5: On the line. 00:07:58 Speaker 7: Does that make it Does that make any sort of betrayal from Ntsian Yahoo even riskier from his perspective? Like what could go wrong there? 00:08:07 Speaker 6: Yeah, the Palestinians, like major insistence was that any deal be personally guaranteed by Donald Trump. They wanted him to put his name on it and announce it publicly. 00:08:20 Speaker 5: Mm hmm. 00:08:20 Speaker 6: And from from an outside perspective, a lot of people like, what are you talking about? Do you trust Donald Trump? Is that It's like, that's not exactly the guy that you would, you know, really want to ride or die with that you're on his word. But from their perspective, he's it like he's the guy, like there's nobody else in the world who is capable of restraining Israel, but he is true. 00:08:42 Speaker 4: So which actually goes to this thing where everybody. 00:08:45 Speaker 6: Thinks that Israel controls like the American government, they have enormous amount of influence. The United States is more powerful if the United States actually exerts itself as it has in the past and almost in ending almost every other war that Israel was involved in, Like that's how those wars end. An American president calls up, whether it's Reagan or Biden, Obama or Trump and says, it's that's it, You're done. 00:09:09 Speaker 4: I'm yanking the. 00:09:10 Speaker 6: Leash your runways over whatever phrase I use it like it's done, and so they were I think waiting for Trump to do that or Biden to do it, and so Hamas is saying, you've got this is all we have. We absolutely do not trust net and Yahoo. So if you put your credibility on the line, that's at least something. And they didn't really want like that. He created a board of peace that was going to have him and Tony Blair on it, because that meant there'd be no sovereignty in the redevelopment for Gaza. 00:09:39 Speaker 4: But the fact that he. 00:09:41 Speaker 6: Was putting a stamp on it was I think that was kind of Trump's expression of that of that desire and Trump, you know, yeah, he announced it publicly, he spoke about it publicly. He's taken full credit for it. That is what they wanted because so now Trump is on the line. Well that's worth we'll find out. 00:09:59 Speaker 8: Yeah, talk about I mean to hear you, Crystal, Oh, it's. 00:10:03 Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I mean, to your point, it's not about Trump being a trustworthy character. It's about the reality of the situation, the power dynamics of the fact that he's he is literally the only person in the world that can actually tell Israel and enforce Israel stopping the genocide. So you have no choice but to hope that he follows through. 00:10:24 Speaker 3: On the deal. 00:10:25 Speaker 2: And you know, Jeremy laid out like there's some I mean, it's disgusting, right, but that there's some sort of like business dollars and cents logic for eight I think he you know, Gazolavo is still the goal in the dream. You know, we should probably play Candice Owen's talking about how disgusting that is because she hit the nail on the head with it, but that is effectively what they're relying on, and not just in terms of gaz a Lago, but also you know, he has all these desires and business development deals in the with the golf Arab states in particular, and so he doesn't want to piss them off. You know, I don't know if that's Realiszica. They're so compliant and so like focused on the money too that they you know, they don't actually care about the Palestinians. All the pressure comes from below with regard to them, So I don't know how you know, how much screwing up this deal would really hinder his business

ambitions in the region. But perhaps there's a perception there. 00:11:19 Speaker 6: Well, I think that that's where they strike in Doha actually played an interesting role because because I think that the Emirates and the Saudis and the cutteries all called up Kushner and Trump and we're like, hey, hey, guys, like you're all your money's over here, like they're they're bombing your money now, and Trump. 00:11:38 Speaker 4: Like, oh, they yeah, they kind. 00:11:40 Speaker 6: Of are bombing my money. We can't have that because you don't know how this spirals. And also their economies, such that you can even call them economies, are are built on this you know international you know business, these international business relationships which are based on the idea that they are not Syria, They're not Iraq, Like that is a perfectly safe place. So to have you know, smoke plumes rising from their downtown right next to like the Chinese embassy is not good for. 00:12:11 Speaker 2: Business down the street from the school that Sager went to, right that is back business. 00:12:18 Speaker 8: Yes, so Ryan for people who haven't been paying attention to all the ins and outs of this. 00:12:29 Speaker 4: Deal, where does this leave Hamas. 00:12:31 Speaker 8: In terms of leadership or in terms of being in charge of Gaza? Because I have a clip here on a play for you to react to from an Israeli ambassador that seems to suggest something slightly different than the deal that was just signed. 00:12:43 Speaker 4: Why don't we take a listen. 00:12:44 Speaker 9: You mentioned earlier you see this deal as leading toward the destruction of Hamas. 00:12:49 Speaker 4: Tell me more about that. 00:12:50 Speaker 9: Because Hamas has not agreed to disarm, they've not agreed to leave Gaza, as Israel has insisted in the past. 00:12:57 Speaker 10: The agreement, the twenty point plan, is very clear on the disarming of Hamas, and it's also very clear that if they do not disarm, then we're going to go back into military confrontation. They have to disarm. Hamas cannot remain standing in Gaza. That's the plan and that's what has to be implemented. This plan is basically it's conced with the government's directives for completing this war, and that's the disarming of Hamas and the demilitarization of Gaza. If that doesn't happen, then this peace plan is not going anywhere. 00:13:36 Speaker 8: So the peace plan is not going anywhere unless Hamas demilitarizes dearmed. 00:13:41 Speaker 11: Now is that part of the deal? 00:13:43 Speaker 8: Ryan? 00:13:44 Speaker 4: Break that down for us. 00:13:45 Speaker 6: It was part of the twenty point plan. It was, but Hamas did not accept the twenty point plan. Hamas accepted the first part of it and then said that they look forward to discussing, you know, what a future you know, Palestinian run technocratic administration would look like. And they have said we will relinquish power to a pal you know, technocratic committee of made up of Palestinian experts. But they have basically said they wouldn't disarm until there's a state in place, and then they would disarm as part of that evolution into statehood. So yeah, this, this, this remains the thing that that is outstanding. So if if Israel believes that it's going to have the ability from you know, geopolitically and cover from the United States to get the hostages back and then go in and saying that they're doing it because they need to disarm AMAS, which again, a lot of their weapons are unexploded ordinance and it'll take twenty years to get all the unexploded ordinance out of there, So I don't quite see how they physically literally can disarm if those are the weapons we're talking about. 00:14:58 Speaker 4: So yeah, that but that's where the. 00:15:00 Speaker 6: Emily's point about trip wires like that's that's a pretty big that's a pretty big gulf. And you know, will Trump sign off on restarting the war for that aim with no hostages left? 00:15:12 Speaker 4: Well, I guess we're going to find out. 00:15:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, Indeed, I just on a curiosity because I noticed that guy that we were just listening to, the Israeli ambassador to the US, seemed to have American accent. He is indeed from Scrianton, Pennsylvania. And not only that, according to Haratz, was affiliated with that rabbi, Rabbi Kahane, who was you know, was this incredible extremist who thought that any non Jewish, any non Jewish person in Israel should either be deported or serve. 00:15:45 Speaker 3: As a slave. So, you know, just to give you a sense of the type. 00:15:50 Speaker 2: Of characters is this government and what. 00:15:53 Speaker 3: What their ideology are. 00:15:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's you know, moderate compared to some who were in the coalition. Ultimately, I guess they should just be deported, not actively murdered. 00:16:02 Speaker 8: So and Ryan, after you're reporting this week and drop site about a certain ghostwriter for an Israeli ambassador, is this one of the ambassadors that's getting some ghostwriting done by our friend Douglas Murray. 00:16:15 Speaker 4: We don't have any evidence of that. 00:16:16 Speaker 6: The guy whose speeches they were writing is now the Israeli ambassador to Germany actually, which is a pretty pretty plump posting. 00:16:25 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:16:27 Speaker 8: Well, Crystal also flagged this that you know, we've gone through two years of this Israeli gazed genocide, but there's been some reveals about some of the three D modeling that's been occurring over these last two years. Of course, everyone remembers the famous three D rendering of the Awl Shifa hospital. Is that the one that they did the breakdown of And so I wanted to put this up on screen for a second. Some of these elements here, so it looks like, I mean, Crystal, so can you explain what we're seeing here? 00:17:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, basically the idea is that they did this analysis and tracked a bunch of these images that they used to claim,

you know, whether it was tunnel systems or to show their targeting, et cetera. They tracked it back to this this one guy, and you know, elements reused very it looks very video game, but basically just exposing the level of fabricated propaganda that was going on here. And in the specific case of the Al Shifa hospital. I'm sure you guys remember this was early in the genocide, when they still felt the need to justify their attacks on hospitals, and we're subjected to this, you know, three D modeling of this elaborate layer that was supposedly under the hospital where Hamas's headquarters was located, et cetera. Came in for a lot of mockery at the time. Well turns out they had actually recycled some previous propaganda of an alleged Hamas tunnel underneath of a un school. They just pulled that and repurposed it to be like, no, actually, the Hamas layer is under the hospital now. So I just even for us people who have been very skeptical, to say the least of Israeli government claims, and you know, very attuned to the amount of haspara and the amount of you know, money that's spent to paid play influencers and all of that that's been revealed, I think, even to me, it is stunning the amount and the scope and the brazenness of the lies in the propaganda that we have been fed, not just over these two years but long before that. 00:18:29 Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah, it's. 00:18:32 Speaker 6: Great really impressive reporting here well and absolutely yeah. 00:18:37 Speaker 7: One point that the person who broke this down made is that it's intentionally done to amplify media coverage, because the strategy is to say, if you give the media a visual, it will end up more likely covered on the news because they have something they can visually show people. 00:18:58 Speaker 3: That they can pull an element. 00:19:00 Speaker 7: Yeah right, they can pull an element, they can D four Yeah, they're right. 00:19:06 Speaker 11: Yeah. 00:19:06 Speaker 7: It's a bit like the person who reported this out had examples of that having worked pretty pretty effectively. 00:19:15 Speaker 11: Mm hm. 00:19:16 Speaker 8: So you know, Trump is celebrating, he's excited for his Nobel Peace Prize, but then plot twist, someone else got the Nobel this morning, Ryan, can you explain who this person is that brought all this piece together? 00:19:33 Speaker 11: For those just listening the podcast, I'm throwing up an image here. 00:19:37 Speaker 8: The twenty twenty five Nobel Peace Prize when ordered to Maria Corrino Machado for her tireless work promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela and for her struggle to achieve a just and peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy. 00:19:52 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:19:53 Speaker 6: Her her efforts to bring democracy to Venezuela involved being a leader of the two thousand and two coups UH and then signing a decree to dissolve basically the constitution. 00:20:06 Speaker 4: That coup was short. 00:20:07 Speaker 6: Lived and jav has came back to power, and you know, since then, you know, she's been she's been an opposition leader. She was banned from uh from running for president because of her involvement in this, in this coup and in other irregularities in the way that and and basically being allied with the United States and trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government. 00:20:32 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:20:32 Speaker 6: She you know, celebrated, you know, Trump's coup attempts in his first term. She has celebrated his bombing of the of all the Narco the narco boats or the fishing boats, whatever they are. She has urged the sanctions that have you know, crushed Venezuela. She has even asked Benjamin N. Yahoo to please come liberate Venezuela. Uh yeah, who then Yaho has not taken them up that request yet, but that's that's who she is. So just kind of an incredible decision by the Nobel Best prized media. It's like, I guess the gas of Humanitarian Foundation wasn't available because they were out said as part of this, uh yeah. 00:21:21 Speaker 5: I will I will say. I don't I forget why I had accus you to do this. 00:21:25 Speaker 7: I went through the election certifications for the last the when Manchada was on the ballot the last time. I imagine one of the reasons she got this because there's a pretty decent case that she actually won. It's very very hard to know because of all the irregularities, but I think it's pretty well. 00:21:44 Speaker 6: They kicked her off the ballot, her practice, her but her party, her proxy. Yes it, yes, it does. It does appear like that like Maduro rigged that election. And the reason we're stopping the steal. Yeah, well, and the real interest singly, the reason that we that Emily can look into it and be pretty confident that that he did rig it is that Chavez himself put in place these kind of very transparent systems that every that everybody can check, so you can you can check it at the local and the regional level and match it against what's being said nationally. And because of those Chavez reforms, you can actually see like, oh, yeah, it does look like the opposition party probably did win this election, and or and Maduro stole it. 00:22:32 Speaker 7: Right, or like they're not even cooperating with those systems and yeah they just yeah, yes. 00:22:38 Speaker 6: So maybe that's but. 00:22:40 Speaker 7: They also did it they were able to track because of the system. Actually, yeah, ran, that's exactly, Like because of that system, they're able to see what the tallies were in certain areas and all of that, and looks like he probably lost. 00:22:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, And so. 00:22:53 Speaker 7: The Nobel Pece Prize, I mean, I don't think any of us take it particularly seriously. I just reported out a whole story on it. It's like maybe not worth dwelling too long on. But Trump is like so desperate for a Nobel Peace Prize and at the same time so obviously aware he's not going to get a Nobel. 00:23:10 Speaker 4: Peace I don't know. 00:23:11

Speaker 6: I feel like giving it to her is a signal from the committee that they're open to giving it to Trump, because this is like if you're going to give it to a American president's couplatter, like, why wouldn't you give it to the American president too? 00:23:27 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:23:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he can definitely can definitely claim a piece of that prize even if he didn't get the whole thing this time. 00:23:35 Speaker 4: That's true. 00:23:36 Speaker 7: Well, I was talking to like Nobel historians who are like, they just see it because this is in Norwegian, Like they see it as so uncouth for anybody to campaign for themselves to get the Nobel Peace Prize. 00:23:46 Speaker 5: So it's not even like the people I talked to is like, it wouldn't even be ideological. 00:23:50 Speaker 7: It's just this idea that like he's out there begging for it, and people are like, oh, that's the same. 00:23:55 Speaker 2: Wasn't this part of you guys got to refresh my memory? Wasn't this part of why Bill Gates maintained his relationship with Epstein because Epstein was telling him like he could get him the Nobel Prize. 00:24:05 Speaker 3: Wasn't that part of. 00:24:06 Speaker 11: Oh my god? 00:24:07 Speaker 4: Really yeah? 00:24:09 Speaker 6: I mean, and reading through Epstein's emails and such, it wouldn't be hard to believe that he would have that kind of pull. 00:24:17 Speaker 4: But he knew everybody and he was able to make things happen. 00:24:23 Speaker 8: We're going to start our Peace Award, that's going to start to be a competitor with a new list of candidates who deserves the Peace for Ward right now, Ryan, I. 00:24:35 Speaker 4: Mean, I would think. 00:24:37 Speaker 6: Like doctors in Gazas, like doctors and nurses in Gaza, like the or the civil defense, like the people who knowing that there's going to be a double tap strike still rush to the building to pull people out of it like that. Those those are that's the best of humanity under the worst conditions, selflessly putting your your body on the on the line to help others that you don't know. Yeah, that that should be what the Nobel Peace Prize is for. 00:25:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, do you want to move to Chicago? 00:25:11 Speaker 7: Well, christ I think it sounds like your memory is correct. That is, uh, that's actually what happened. 00:25:17 Speaker 2: I thought, so yeah, yeah, Marbart Sager and I talked about that one. 00:25:24 Speaker 3: All right, Well, every aspect of that as wild. 00:25:30 Speaker 8: Moving on to Chicago, Christine Nome is doubling down and uh looking to get more office space here in Chicago. 00:25:38 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. 00:25:40 Speaker 12: Already is we're purchasing more buildings in Chicago to operate out of. We're going to not back off. In fact, we're doubling down and we're going to be in more parts of Chicago in response to the people there. And then I was there a few days ago and looked at some facilities that we can deploy more law enforcement out of because what they're trying to do with these riots and violences distract us and keep us from going after those murders and rapists that are out on the streets. And then I was in Portland, went out and back in. 00:26:10 Speaker 4: All right, so more offices. 00:26:12 Speaker 8: We also do have a video here outside in an elementary school that I wanted to play just here at the top. This was from a recent ice trad on an elementary school where they grabbed the mother out of the car as she's picking up her child. 00:26:40 Speaker 2: Just so people know as they're watching this, at least according to the reporting, I saw this woman that you'll see here is a DACA recipient and they actually had to release or so after she's there picking up to pick up her kids from elementary school, something line up many of us will be familiar with, and they follow her, they forcibly pull her out of the car. She's screaming again right outside of this elementary school where her children and other children are, And according to what I saw, like I said, she had legal status, so they ended up having to release her. So all of this, you know, show of force with these dudes, most of them again masked up, et cetera. And terrorizing an entire elementary school population for someone who in the end turns out has legal status. And by the way, is mom like this is not some violent criminal gang member, trender urragua whatever. This is like a mom who's going about her life trying to pick up her kids from school. And I don't know what happened to those you know, those kids when they're waiting for mom and Mom's just been snatched off the street by Trump's thugs. 00:27:48 Speaker 7: I think an important point in that Crystal is they purport to be targeting people with some measure of intelligence, and we've already seen that there's a surveillance apparatus being built in order to target people. And this is a just staggering, not shocking, but staggering a display of incompetence. When you are building these you are you're paying all this money, taxpayer dollars to surveill and you're picking up a DACA, uh, someone who is here with with legal status and doing it like this is just I know we're gonna talk about this later, but they are squandering any uh, squandering certainly any like public opinion that was in their favor for sure at this point. 00:28:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, Immigration officials. 00:28:40 Speaker 6: Immigration attorneys that I've spoke to have said that this this phenomenon of DACA people getting getting swept up is is uh fairly widespread, and oftentimes, uh, they don't get out very quickly. The administer, the administration is reinterpreting all because immigration law is like extraordinarily complicated and based on you know, decades of stitch together precedents, and you can be in deportation proceedings but still have legal status and then the uh, you know, the administration will say, well, we reject this legal status, and there it all

goes back to these quotas that Steven Miller has put into place, So they are basically just sweeping up as many brown people as they can and then asking questions later and seeing, you know who who they can kind of make the deportation stick, and also who they can persuade to kind of give up the fight, because you put them, you know, you put them in these like deplorable conditions, and you can end your suffering at any minute by saying, okay, fine, I will go back to El Salvador even though you have a legal status and you can stay here, but it could take you weeks or months or even years they don't know. So a lot of people just give up in the face of that raw power. 00:29:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, I mean so I kind of reject the idea that it's incompetence because I like, I think this is all part of the plan of I mean, it genuinely is like a mass terror campaign to scare people into either leaving or. 00:30:14 Speaker 3: To chill descent. 00:30:15 Speaker 2: I mean, we have increasing numbers of American citizens who have been either injured or illegally detained, arrested by Ice, held without the ability to make phone calls for hours, if not days at a time. Of course, we saw the apartment rate. It doesn't surprise me that Christy Nauman saying we're going to double down on Chicago, because in my view, what they're also courting is some grand confrontation that they can use in order to justify Trump invoke in the Insurrection Act. And there's reporting to that regard. They've gotten and they've gotten more. You know, the community in Chicago is very upset, and so you have a lot of activists who are you know, following Ice around and honking horns to let immigrants know that they're coming. You know, the atmosphere appears I'm not there on the ground, but appeers to be somewhat charged. And so I think that they believe that Chicago is their best bet with a democratic mayor and a democratic governor who may be a presidential contender, to get this grand confrontation that they want to justify further consolidation of their power. And as I said in invocation of the Insurrection Act, which would mean that they could deploy National Guard much more readily, and that the National Guard that's deployed would not be subject to the limitations that they currently are. Namely, you know, and DC we saw national Guard was mostly like kind of assisting ice to the extent that they're you know, sort of even colorably able to, but also just like standing around and picking up trash. If you have the Insurrection Act, then you no longer have those same restrictions on what the National Guard can do. So I think that's, you know, part of what's of what's going on here. I covered, and I just think it's worth emphasizing. You've already had people. You had one person who was shot and killed, an immigrant who was shot and killed by federal agents in or around Chicago, and you had this other woman that I covered on the show, who they claimed had rammed them with her car and then brandished a semi automatic weapon. At least the semi automatic weapon part of that has already turned out to be just a complete and utter fabrication. 00:32:23 Speaker 3: They shot her five. 00:32:25 Speaker 2: Times, Okay, American citizen immigration activist, but American citizen she Her lawyer now says that their body camera footage reveals they actually ran into her. The agent in question who shot her five times said do something, bitch, and then jumped out of the car with his weapon and began firing. So we already already we have incidents like this, and this is still very much in the early phases. One thing that is noteworthy and somewhat hopeful, if I mean, if it's enforced, if it's not overturned on appeal, etc. There have been some significant limits put on the federal government in Chicago, specifically some court rulings that have come down. We just got one where they're saying, no, you can't at least temporarily for now, it's a temporary restraining order. You cannot send the Texas National Guard Meal Team six is not allowed to come into Chicago. They said, you know, basically like it's ridiculous, there's no insurrection, and the judge in their ruling said it on the content like it's the exact opposite of what you're saying. Not only is there not chaos and insurrection sufficient to justify this, but you are the ones trying to stoke the chaos, which I think many reasonable people looking at the situation would agree with, especially after we know that in Portland the governments, the federal government's own internal assessment said that those protests were quote unquote low energy before Trump came in and said, oh, war ravaged Portland and we got to send it in the National Guard and we got to do all of this. There was also another decision that may lead to the release of high hundreds of the immigrants that they've detained that says their in violation, the federal governments in violation of a consent decree with regard to how they pick up these immigrants and the way that they're using widespread warrantless arrests of immigrants, which is illegal. And then you had also a decision that came down that was related to their indiscriminate use of chemical weapons. We all saw the priests who got shot in the head with a pepper ball, or pastor or religious figure. I'm not sure what his exact designation was. And we've also seen reports about them pepper spray. They pepper sprayed the freaking Chicago Police Department. They pepper sprayed outside of an elementary school so the kids couldn't go outside for recess. We've seen activist journalists, anyone who's just there like recording, getting sprayed directly in the face. And so there was also a decision that came down that was like, you can't do that. You can't just spray you know, journalists and activists, you're violating their First Amendment rights by using these riot control weapons in such a widespread and careless manner. 00:35:04 Speaker 7: Well, and I just

want to say the because I don't disagree that what you just laid out, there's a broader effort to chill. 00:35:13 Speaker 5: The like the any migrants. 00:35:16 Speaker 7: Who may be here, to encourage what they call sealth deportation. 00:35:19 Speaker 5: Like I don't, I don't disagree with that. 00:35:21 Speaker 7: The incompetence, to me reminds me a lot of the reason I invoked that description is because it reminds me of what happened with mat mu Khalil and Ramisa os Turk where they're relying on like what Canary mission and they get these like lists of people who are apparently support giving materials, support to terrorists and then just to UH in Chicago may be literal but metaphorically shoot first, asked questions later. And I do think that's strategic. I think they're they're sort of like that that's the strategy. I just think that strategy is like politically morally ridiculous, and so that's the where the incompetence came. Like that's where I was using that description because it's like I'm saying this as a conservative again. 00:36:05 Speaker 5: I know we're going to talk about this, but like. 00:36:06 Speaker 7: I'm watching all of this happen, and I'm like that they think they have this mandate, they think they have the wind at their back, all of this political capital, and they don't because what they're doing is absurd, and so it's just like it's so stupid all around. 00:36:23 Speaker 8: I think that leads nicely to this next clip where it seems like, yeah, most people are kind of aware of what the government is trying to do with all this. Let's take a listen to our favorite. I guess he's a priest. Now did he converts? 00:36:36 Speaker 3: Wondering what is going on with that too? 00:36:38 Speaker 8: Yeah, this is he doing a Russell Brand moment here. We'll have to see you. We'll have to look into that later. But let's take a listen to Rogan here on these idea of sets. 00:36:47 Speaker 13: Let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it looks is horrific when you're just arresting people in front of their kids and just normal regular people that have been here for twenty years. Yeah that everybody has a heart. Can't get along with that. Now, everybody who has a heart sees that and go, that can't be right. They can't be right. They can't be the only way to do this right because you have to think, look, yeah, we have to have a border. Yes it should have been secure. Yes they should make sure you know who everybody is before they get in. But when people been here for twenty years, like, come on, come on, that's crazy. Yeah, let's find a way. If they've been productive members of society for twenty years, no criminal record, they worked the entire time, they paid taxes, find them a pathway to citizenship. Find a way where you can do this thing that you want to do, which is keep terrorists and cartel members from getting across the border with drugs that kill one hundred thousand people a year. Okay, but also have a fucking heart, because if you don't, you're not gonna get anybody on your side if you're doing this stuff, publicly, throwing women into the ground, handcuffing people just for exist on the wrong side of the dirt. 00:38:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, not a criminal. 00:38:02 Speaker 7: Not. 00:38:03 Speaker 13: The only crime they ever committed was coming over here as a kid. Yeah, they probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on. 00:38:08 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:38:09 Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, a lot of kids got snuck across when they were already born in Mexico and they've grown up their entire life in America. They can't even speak Spanish. 00:38:19 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, part of that is where dude once pasted the citizenship for millions and millions of people. But I will set that aside and say he has had that is a perception that most average Norman Americans are going to have, and they're not wrong to have that perception either. 00:38:31 Speaker 5: And Zach Bryan, I think we have this who he's been on Rogan. 00:38:35 Speaker 7: I think he's like just again normy veteran super popular with young like white dudes. I like Zach Bryan. I think he's pretty good. And he has this new snippet of a song. He previewed one of his new songs and it's about like ice banging down your door. And John Rich from Big and Rich called for him to be Dixie Chicks and said, like bud Light should sponsors tour or something like that. 00:39:01 Speaker 5: Uh, it's just like again. 00:39:04 Speaker 2: There's there's always this saw someone say, you know, what a shock that liberals are getting beer, country music and football in the national divorce. 00:39:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so funny. 00:39:14 Speaker 3: But this is the thing. 00:39:16 Speaker 7: There's the right was always criticizing the left for being in bubbles, and I think we all know that that's true. But now the right has the reigns of power, and that's they're putting themselves. They're ensconsin themselves in this thick bubble now too. By saying anybody who disagrees with us is a lib. Anybody who disagrees with us uh is basically like pro kamala, And that just means you tune out all of the like just well intentioned feedback that you're getting when people see clips like the one that we just played on the show, and you have influencers following Christy Gnome around acting like this is some generational political genius, like this is this entire astro plan is some generational political historic stroke of genius, and they're just isolating themselves from like normy people who are looking at us and being like this is is not. Of course, there are some people who say this is exactly what I voted for, but that's definitely not most of the country, and so they're they're isolated, I think from all of that. 00:40:19 Speaker 8: Let me read this lyric for a sec from Zach Bryan, one of the biggest musicians on the planet. It says his lyric is I heard the cops came cocky mfs, ain't they Ice is gonna come bust down your

door, try and build a house. No one builds no more. But I got a telephone. Kids are all scared and all alone. Then a response from the DHS stick to pink skies. Dude, says Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin in a response, So yeah. 00:40:51 Speaker 3: I hate these people so much. 00:40:53 Speaker 4: It does feel like they're pushing it too far, Like yeah, well. 00:40:58 Speaker 2: And Brian, I'm gonna ask you that. I actually want to ask both of you guys this. I'll all three of you this because Sager and I have been like having a little bit of a debate about whether they think this is they genuinely believe this is politically advantageous for them, or whether they don't care because they're not that interested in whether they're going to have to face voters and they don't think it's going to be that consequential whether they have to face voters. I did note dominion voting got sold to some like Republicans, stop the steal apparatic, So that's a little ominous. Got to look into that more to find out what that means. But I mean that is that is my concern is that as much as they are in a bubble, and I think they are in a bubble, that they it's not they're not doing these things because they think they're popular. They're doing it because they want a one party state. They're doing it because they're really going for it and trying to consolidate power so that future elections are more or less meaningless. Now Sager disagrees with that. He thinks they genuinely believe but this is like based and popular and that this is a good political trajectory for them. So I'm curious what you guys, you know, what you guys thoughts are. 00:42:09 Speaker 5: On that I'll just take super quickly. 00:42:11 Speaker 7: I agree with Sarger, like we obviously know some of the players in this personally, and they did. My take on this is like pretty familiar. They genuinely think that this is popular. Now, there may be some people in the mix, like Stephen Miller, who I don't really know personally, who maybe it's a combination of both, Like they think it's super popular and based, and they also don't care if it's not. 00:42:32 Speaker 5: But a lot of them like genuinely think. 00:42:34 Speaker 7: That this is the will of the American people and that normal people see these videos and are like I had to happen at some point, too bad. 00:42:46 Speaker 6: Yeah, my take, I'm curious if this records with what Emily thinks. 00:42:51 Speaker 4: That Stephen Miller is a hardcore. 00:42:56 Speaker 6: Ideologue, Like he has a worldview, he has the power, he has the time in power, and he's going to execute it. And he's he's also like a disturbingly young guy, like he's going to be around for a very very long time, and who knows if he ends up staffing like every coming Republican administration, but that he thinks that he can basically create new realities by reshaping the country, and that old idea is about, you know, how this particular issue polls week to week or will be out the window because he's so thoroughly revolutionizing what's happening inside the United States, and it's driven by this like end goal ideology that is as extremely. 00:43:44 Speaker 2: What is that end goal ideology? What are the realities that he thinks he's changing? 00:43:48 Speaker 11: Well? 00:43:48 Speaker 6: As Trump as Trump said it, he said, if Steven Miller had his way, there'd be one hundred million people in this country and they'd all look like Steven Miller. Like that's that's what Donald Trump said about Stephen. 00:44:00 Speaker 8: This one hundred million number has been coming up a lot and memes lately. The Department of Homeland Security has been doing these like fan cams where they're like these edits where it's like America if there was only one hundred million people in it and it's and it's just all white people frolicking around. 00:44:16 Speaker 11: They like use old like nineties TV. 00:44:19 Speaker 8: Yeah, they use like old nineties TV shows where the cast is all white and stuff. It's like, oh, like every show will be like Friends again, or it's just white people. I don't know that that's This one hundred million number is starting to really come up. 00:44:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean maybe they. 00:44:37 Speaker 5: Started in twenty twenty four. I'm sorry. 00:44:39 Speaker 7: When they came into office in twenty twenty five, the Biden administration had just brought in what like eight to ten million people in the period of three years who had precarious legal situations. Some of them and this is like the healthcare debate with the shutdowns. Some of them are perfectly here legally because Biden expanded the pathways, and that's true of many many people. Some of them are here illegally without documentation. And so they did have this like big that there. Most of the country wanted some solution to this procarity, mass procarity among all of these migrants. They wanted the border close. The Trump administration has basically closed the border, but they took that and have now said it's like permission to expand this police state and to like militarize the operation in what like Elgin, Illinois, as I think we talked about last week, a suburb of Chicago, and these are very very different things, not just politically but also morally, and the idea that they have permission to like do helicopter immigration enforcement again politically and morally in Elgin, it's just I mean, like and. 00:45:49 Speaker 5: To detain American citizens. All these are these are very very. 00:45:54 Speaker 7: Different things, and they don't seem to I think they they genuinely are not aware of that, because they've put them in this like trench mentality where it's like you're with us or you're against us completely and you're with the trende ragua cartel. 00:46:10 Speaker 5: It's just yeah, anyway. 00:46:12 Speaker 2: Well, and I think Ryan's point is important one because there may be people in the Trump administration

that think this is politically beneficial. And then but the person who really matters the most, I would say at this point is actually Steven Miller, because he certainly seems to be running the show. And so you know, my sense is the same as Ryan's that and I don't think anyone would disagree. This is a die hard ideologue who does not believe in America as a diverse society. He doesn't believe in the idea of a melting pot. He believes in at a blood and soil white et no state, and he wants to make it so that the people he doesn't count as American don't get to have a say in the future of the country. So whether that's you know, through you know, the the terror campaign that you know both effectuates deportations but also effectuates a mass exit of people who no longer feel comfortable in this country because remember we now have the Supreme Court says, hey, you can do Kavanaugh stops. You're allowed to just harass people because they're brown, under a car washer or whatever. So that plus and Griffin, maybe you can pull this about the latest you know reporting on NSPM seven and the way they're going after Act Blue and you know, anything linked to George Soros whatsoever indivisible and pretending these are part of some like Antifa terror network and targeting them through the FBI, through the IRS, through the whole of government. So his idea is basically, the people who oppose me in the you know, black and brown people that I don't consider to be quote unquote real Americans, We're going to make it so they don't really have a say, so they don't really count in the future. And you know, all of these escalatory steps which are intentional provocative, which every time you see these raids, they got camera guys fallen behind, so they can publish them, so they can further inflame and advertise their you know, fascist tactics, so that every time they do that, they are courting this broader confrontation that will allow them to grab even more power. And I just don't think it's deniable at this point that that's the plan, because they're already well along the plan. I mean they practically announce it out loud. So that's what we're in the midst of. And what I struggle with is is articulating both the grave seriousness of that, where he truly you know, we are already in a different country than we were before Trump two point zero came into office, like we'd been sliding in this struction, but now we are in a different country than we were previously. That is a very grave situation. And then also a bunch of these people are like utterly clownish buffoons. You know, the National Guard Meal Team six is like a perfect example of this, or you know RFK up there like oh, you know, circumcision, I'm dialing and autism whatever. So it's it can be hard to wrap your hat around people who are idiots and clowns, but who also are id logues and are are very effectively implementing an extreme and radical plan to turn this country into something that it was not previously.

00:49:21 Speaker 8: Yes, there's been a lot of crackdowns, and Trump actually name check DSA as one of the groups that he is going to be looking to as well. And yet it does seem like they are trying to define what Antifa means and who Antifa is still, which I think leads us perfectly to our final segment. 00:49:39 Speaker 11: We want to get on the public half here. 00:49:40 Speaker 4: We should. 00:49:42 Speaker 7: I was gonna say, we should get some like like Juli or ended Note to come on and debate Antifa. 00:49:47 Speaker 5: We'll, we'll, we'll set. 00:49:49 Speaker 4: Something like that. 00:49:50 Speaker 11: Let's get it. That sounds like an after party booking. I love it. Let's do it. Let's get let's get him on here. All right. 00:49:56 Speaker 8: Well, I think this leads us perfectly to our last segment. Really important here about Jesse Waters and Antifa. Yes, Crystal, I'm gonna pull this up if you can break it down. 00:50:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you have these? 00:50:09 Speaker 2: So he's he's accused Jesse Waters of he he likes to use these masked guests, and so we had one here. The most recent is like some Antifa guy. That's the one on top who looks remarkably similar to a previous mass guests who he had who was supposedly like a Mexican cartel member or something like that. 00:50:31 Speaker 11: Members. 00:50:33 Speaker 2: It looks remarkably similar to this guy on the bottom who I don't know. Was this guy supposed to be like Hamas or something like that. 00:50:41 Speaker 5: You know, it's like it's. 00:50:42 Speaker 7: Always sunny, the gang goes jihad. 00:50:44 Speaker 5: That's what this looks like. 00:50:46 Speaker 3: That bottom one. 00:50:47 Speaker 2: It looks like almost like a filter that not even like real things that anyway, people are noticing that this character appears to be the same character if you listen to them, they sound similar, they have the same mannerisms. People are speculating that it might be this, you know, this Robert O'Neil guy. I don't know if that's true. They actually denied it. They Fox News did deny that it was Robert O'Neill. 00:51:06 Speaker 11: Nevertheless, we're not claiming that either on the show. 00:51:09 Speaker 5: It doesn't look like him, yes, but yeah no, we're not claiming that. 00:51:12 Speaker 3: Oh I really I do think it looks like him. 00:51:14 Speaker 8: Crystal, We're not claiming it. We don't know. We this is all as far as we know on the record. These are all different guys. Let's take a quick listen to them. 00:51:22 Speaker 14: So recruiting, working with youth, getting uh, you know, and just going out spitting out the message, and the thing is too you know a lot of people get into it because that. 00:51:33 Speaker 15: I kind of laugh when I saw two things. I saw that he had allegedly stated that one of his motives or reasons was to support Black Lives matter at. 00:51:46 Speaker 4: About ninth grade or so. 00:51:49 Speaker 14: Get on a few years growing up in Seattle, we had

those the riots in ninety nine. 00:51:55 Speaker 8: All right, So those are all the different gentlemen that Jesse has had on the show recently. 00:52:02 Speaker 4: People really called him riots. 00:52:04 Speaker 5: Don't don't. 00:52:08 Speaker 8: Don't tell me, uh that that looks similar. So Crystal, I was able to. 00:52:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was able to get I did a little bit of you know, of investigative journalism here, guys, and I wanted to talk to someone who's known Jesse for a long time, who could speak to his character and whether or not he would be the sort of person who would you know, put the same guy on TV three times in three different bandanas and claim he was totally different people and you know, try to sell this to the public. 00:52:40 Speaker 3: So you go ahead, you. 00:52:43 Speaker 5: Pre taped, you pre taped this, and Ryan and I am not. We have not seen this. 00:52:48 Speaker 4: We're you told us about it. We're excited. 00:52:51 Speaker 11: Ye. 00:52:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, So so let's go ahead, Griffin, if you can pull up this interview I was able to get with Jesse Waters frat brother, who also happens now very well relevantly to be the Grand Dragon of the ANTIFA Global g Hot Network and also serves as Gavin Newsom's comms director. So a lot that he brings to the table here, quite a noteworthy guest, Griffin, if you could go ahead and play this joining us now we have Jesse Waters, former frat brother. He now serves as Grand Dragon for the ANTIFA Global g HOD Network and also as Gavin Nussm's comms director. From an own, undisclosed location for the purposes of this interview, we'll call you, let's say, Lyle. 00:53:33 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. 00:53:33 Speaker 5: Lyle, Hey, thanks for having me. 00:53:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, anything you could tell us about Jesse, his character, what he was like when you knew him in. 00:53:41 Speaker 16: College, Yeah, he was a terrible guy, chronic liar, smelled really bad, he's smug, full of himself. Me and him actually played Division ie botchie ball together, and the team had a nickname for him. We called him Tadpole because when we saw him in the shower, me and the guys were a damn that guy's hung like a tadpole. 00:54:03 Speaker 3: Wow. That's uh, that's a lot of information. 00:54:06 Speaker 2: That's That's maybe more than what I was really looking for, But I appreciate that the disclosure. Anything that stood out to you about him, anything that was like odd or weird that he did in college that might inform our understanding of who he is today. 00:54:20 Speaker 16: Well, I mean, there was that time he cheated on his girlfriend with Bill O'Reilly. That's how he got the spot on the show. They used to rub falafels all over each other. O'reiley was into that. 00:54:33 Speaker 3: Hmm, yeah, I've heard that actually before. 00:54:35 Speaker 2: I had heard something about that previously, So that does add up with some of the information that's already publicly on the record. I guess my final question for you, Lyle is just what do you think of this new scandal that he's embroiled in. He stands accused of having phony people come on the show pretend to be people that they are not. Whatsoever. You know, what do you think of the type of person who would do such a thing. 00:54:59 Speaker 16: I'm that's it's that's disgusting, frankly. I mean I think it should probably it should be at least a mistivean it should probably be a felony, if you ask me, I think probably at least twenty years in prison if you do something like that. 00:55:11 Speaker 11: I don't know, I don't know. 00:55:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty disgusting. I'd be disgusting. I all agree with that. 00:55:16 Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you for that information, while and good good luck with the with the terror network. I hope you hope you you know, do well there of a the authorities or whatever you're up to. 00:55:27 Speaker 5: Thanks Greving. 00:55:31 Speaker 8: Okay, I have to say, as the producer, you know I haven't fact checked any of this. 00:55:38 Speaker 6: Well, that was a very risky interview because if there are not many comms people for Gavin newsom so, I think that our viewers are probably going to be able to narrow down the identity. Do not docs of that, do not do not docs? Uh, because you know, this is somebody who took a personal risk to come out and in the public interest to reveal what he knows. 00:56:02 Speaker 2: So yeah, I would discourage people lived has lived experience. 00:56:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it was brave. 00:56:08 Speaker 2: But I told Lyle, I told Lyle how brave it was of him to come toward in that way. 00:56:14 Speaker 3: I will, I will. 00:56:16 Speaker 4: Used a voice distorder. 00:56:18 Speaker 6: I know, he used like an AI voice distorder to make him sound like somebody were all familiar with. 00:56:24 Speaker 4: That was very close, just to throw. 00:56:25 Speaker 3: People off, just to throw people off the scent, you know. 00:56:28 Speaker 7: But you know what, it is important for responsible journalists to vet their sources and to to vet the people who are coming on the air to shed some light on these important questions about public affairs. And so that was crystal. I think that was excellent. Maybe Nobel Peace price worthy. Yeah, I mean at least. 00:56:53 Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time with this individual before the interview. I can tell a lot, like an extraordinary amount of time with this individual before then. I certainly did my homework. I mean I would, Yeah, absolutely, I would. 00:57:08 Speaker 5: I would. 00:57:08 Speaker 3: I trust him on that level. That's how that's how did you. 00:57:12 Speaker 5: Equipment? Do you think you would let him sure your streaming equipment? 00:57:15 Speaker 7: Like could you ever show like a microphone, has beautiful eyes, share. 00:57:19 Speaker 3: My streaming equipment later. 00:57:22 Speaker 8: He is a he has a striking beautiful eyes. And I did reach out to Jesse Waters a request for comment on the tadpole issue. They responded saying that he is a grower, not a shower, so I think in general, so I just wanted to say we covered all of our bases here. But again, if there are lawsuits, I was not involved with the segment anyways, Thank you did the Grand Dragon, Gavin Newso watch out. 00:57:54 Speaker 11: You can't be this affiliated with these types of characters. 00:57:57 Speaker 4: It's true. 00:57:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, good advice. 00:58:00 Speaker 5: Good a beautiful, beautiful journalism. 00:58:02 Speaker 8: Well, on that note, after that Pultzer winning piece of journal journalism, we're gonna move on to the second half of the show. We'll be doing other other segments with the Grand Dragon. So Breakingpoints dot Com if you want to see that, if you want to be like if you journalists, if you want to support. 00:58:21 Speaker 11: More interviews like that, Breakingpoints dot. 00:58:24 Speaker 8: Com, we can do that once a week if we want to. 00:58:29 Speaker 11: Heah, that guy's available. 00:58:30 Speaker 2: That's right, right's not the only one out here with sources, you know, doing hard protection. 00:58:38 Speaker 11: Okay, and we'll see you all in that second half in just a second