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We're back with an MSNOW exclusive about the U.S. Postal
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Service whistleblower who says the plan to implement President Trump's
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mail-in ballot crackdown could derail the midterms. Now, a new
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spokesperson for the House Oversight Committee Democrats tells me exclusively
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that committee lawyers met last night with individuals familiar with
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the USPS whistleblower's disclosure. And now they have even more questions.
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Joining me now is the ranking member of the House
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Oversight Committee, Congressman Robert Garcia of California. Congressman, what new
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information did this meeting produce?
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Look, I think first people need to understand that what's
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happening right now at USPS.
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Is incredibly serious.
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And it's the administration, it's President Trump interfering with the
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way the USPS conducts mail-in balloting, mail-in voting. And so
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this impacts the midterms. It impacts 2028. Obviously, we have
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a whistleblower who's made very serious disclosures. We can now
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confirm that after our lawyers spoke with folks familiar with
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the whistleblower's disclosures, that Heather Dyer, who is the chief
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information security officer at the USPS, we are now investigating.
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We now have serious questions for Ms. Dyer.
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We have also, along with asking questions of Ms. Dyer,
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we have reached out to the inspector general at the
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USPS and have serious questions to ensure that we have
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a fair investigation. We've also asked Chairman Comer to immediately
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hold hearings on a very serious matter. And of course,
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we have questions directly of the USPS postmaster, of which
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we've also sent questions. So there is a lot happening
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today and certainly since we got word from the whistleblower
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just a day ago.
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What specifically do you believe, what role did Heather Dyer
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play or what is it you are saying she did
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wrong here?
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Look, without getting into obviously too many specifics, we have
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to be very careful in
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protecting the whistleblower and the
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identity of this whistleblower.
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What I can say is that Ms.
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Dyer is essentially overseeing this system and the implementation of
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a system that very likely is being set up to
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cause havoc, is not ready for prime time, and certainly
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should not be rolled out ahead of the midterms. We're
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talking about a system where the president has put together
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an order, which, by the way, the courts had put
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a stop to, and of which continued to be implemented
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at the USPS even after, according to the whistleblower, even
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after the court had said this executive order cannot be implemented.
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The process moved forward.
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This idea that we're somehow going to take voter rolls
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from states, match them with the federal government, and then
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somehow the administration or USPS was going to be in
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charge of basically taking ballots that weren't matching and removing them,
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and that removal of one ballot could actually impact thousands
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of ballots and their removal, according to the whistleblower.
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It appears that Ms.
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Dyer has been deeply involved in the construction of the system.
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And so without saying anything else, we are investigating Ms.
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Dyer. We are investigating all of the claims from the whistleblower.
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And it's not just us. It's also in the Senate
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and Senator Blumenthal.
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We're going to reach out to Heather Dyer for her response.
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You say you have many questions. Can you just give
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us a sense of the questions you have given given
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the timeliness here? I mean, we're 62 days away from midterms.
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I don't need to tell you there are states where
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mail in ballots go out on September 4th. We are
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we are in it now.
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Look, I think the most important thing here is we
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need to understand why, even when there was a mandated
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court order to stop the implementation of the president's executive orders,
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why that implementation continued. We have questions around the system itself.
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Who is actually giving direction to the USPS to implement
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the system? Why is this being done now so close
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to the election? And it's clear that the system right
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now is faulty. It will not accurately work according to reports.
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And why is it still being moved forward in a
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way that could impact the actual ballots?
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And so these are all questions.
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We have many more questions, of course, but we're going
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forward right now, careful to ensure that what happens at
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the court level, because this case is going to be
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heard possibly by the Supreme Court.
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We need the Supreme Court to be crystal clear.
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And understand that we cannot implement this executive order from
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the president and that.
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It will disrupt mail-in voting.
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We know the president has had issues with accepting the
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outcome of elections, interfering by calling individual states and registrars
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in places like Georgia and other places across the country.
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And so we know what the president wants to do here.
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And so we have to be very careful to protect
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mail-in voting, which we know is safe across the country.
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Congressman, I also want to make sure I ask you
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about what's going on in the Epstein Files investigation. I'm
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sure you'll remember back in June, you and I were
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talking about Jeffrey Epstein ally billionaire Leon Black's testimony before
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your committee. And then this happened.
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Take a look.
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I think right now I'm glad that Leon Black is
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going to come back under subpoena and answer our questions.
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I actually think he's going to.
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Be coming out here right now in a minute.
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We'll keep our cameras trained on him. That is Leon
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Black walking towards our cameras. He is refusing to continue
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this interview. He has now been issued subpoena by the
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chair of the House Oversight Committee. OK, fast forward to today.
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Black is expected to testify under subpoena tomorrow. He's denied
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any wrongdoing. What do you plan to ask him?
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Well, first, let's hope he actually shows up and answers
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our questions. So he is scheduled to be under subpoena
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in front of the Oversight Committee tomorrow morning.
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He's also under subpoena. He has to provide.
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To us a series of NDAs and other information that
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we have requested.
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So one, is he going to show up? He needs to.
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We are going to hold him accountable and he must
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answer all of our questions. We need to know why
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he spent so much of his fortune on Jeffrey Epstein.
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What was he getting in return?
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He needs to answer for the survivors that have called
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Leon Black by name as someone involved in the abuse incident.
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Of women.
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And so the questions that we have for Leon Black
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are serious. We want to see the NDAs. Why is
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he hiding behind these nondisclosure agreements? And why do survivors
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continue to bring him up as someone central to the investigation?
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So that is on schedule for tomorrow morning, and we
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will be there asking those questions.
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Lots of breaking news from Congressman Robert Garcia. Congressman, thank
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you so much for being with us.