Bản chép lời đầy đủ của Living with Purpose Beyond the Fourth Quarter w/ Greg Dosmann

00:01:43.915 Lisa Nichols: Oh, we're gonna have so much fun. 00:01:43.915 --> 00:01:45.195 Lisa Nichols: And I have to go back. 00:01:45.195 --> 00:01:49.195 Lisa Nichols: I always love to tell our listeners, Greg, how I meet 00:01:49.355 --> 00:01:49.915 Lisa Nichols: my guests. 00:01:49.915 --> 00:01:51.050 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:01:51.050 --> 00:01:52.730 Lisa Nichols: And we have such a fun story. 00:01:52.730 --> 00:01:53.450 Lisa Nichols: Do we not? 00:01:53.450 --> 00:01:53.930 Greg Dosmann: Absolutely... 00:01:53.930 --> 00:01:57.050 Greg Dosmann: In fact, I jotted a few notes, and that was one of the first 00:01:57.050 --> 00:01:59.850 Greg Dosmann: things on my how our families met. 00:01:59.850 --> 00:02:00.970 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:02:00.970 --> 00:02:03.130 Lisa Nichols: So I'll tell the story or you can tell the story. 00:02:03.130 --> 00:02:04.010 Lisa Nichols: I'll just tell the story. 00:02:04.010 --> 00:02:07.945 Lisa Nichols: So your daughter, Aubrey, my daughter, Paige, 00:02:07.945 --> 00:02:10.745 Lisa Nichols: years ago when they were in sixth grade. 00:02:10.745 --> 00:02:13.305 Lisa Nichols: And they're in their thirties now, what... 00:02:13.305 --> 00:02:14.425 Lisa Nichols: They were at Kanakuk . 00:02:14.425 --> 00:02:15.225 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:02:15.225 --> 00:02:16.825 Lisa Nichols: And they were in the same teepee. 00:02:16.825 --> 00:02:17.625 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:02:17.625 --> 00:02:20.345 Lisa Nichols: And what they discovered, they said, okay. 00:02:20.345 --> 00:02:21.225 Lisa Nichols: Wait a minute. 00:02:21.225 --> 00:02:25.225 Lisa Nichols: We both like ketchup. 00:02:25.440 --> 00:02:29.440 Lisa Nichols: Our dad's name is Greg, and we live in Chesterfield. 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:30.320 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:02:30.320 --> 00:02:31.920 Lisa Nichols: We're destined to be friends. 00:02:31.920 --> 00:02:32.560 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:34.160 Lisa Nichols: And they became fast friends. 00:02:34.160 --> 00:02:36.800 Lisa Nichols: And then Greg and I met you and Sharon. 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:40.800 Lisa Nichols: And I tell you, it has been a beautiful 00:02:41.185 --> 00:02:42.385 Lisa Nichols: friendship ever since. 00:02:42.385 --> 00:02:43.745 Greg Dosmann: Amen, sister. 00:02:43.745 --> 00:02:46.865 Greg Dosmann: Well, you know, when you said it, I remember, 00:02:46.865 --> 00:02:50.865 Greg Dosmann: Aubrey came home and said, dad, I met this girl named Paige, and we're 00:02:50.865 --> 00:02:52.000 Greg Dosmann: so alike. 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.000 Greg Dosmann: And then she said, and and both our dads are named Greg, and we 00:02:56.160 --> 00:02:57.680 Greg Dosmann: both love ketchup. 00:02:57.680 --> 00:02:59.360 Greg Dosmann: And then she said, freaky. 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:00.160 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:03:00.160 --> 00:03:02.000 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:03.440 Greg Dosmann: Like, it was just destiny. 00:03:03.440 --> 00:03:03.840 Greg Dosmann: But, hey. 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:04.560 Greg Dosmann: It was destiny. 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:08.475 Greg Dosmann: Here we are twenty five plus years later and still they're different. 00:03:08.475 --> 00:03:08.715 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:03:08.715 --> 00:03:10.395 Lisa Nichols: And such good friends. 00:03:10.395 --> 00:03:10.875 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:03:10.875 --> 00:03:14.315 Lisa Nichols: So I am so excited about having you on the show. 00:03:14.315 --> 00:03:18.315 Lisa Nichols: You've got lots of corporate wisdom, that I know we wanna share, 00:03:19.130 --> 00:03:22.650 Lisa Nichols: but, you know, you got a new chapter in your life that I also 00:03:22.650 --> 00:03:26.250 Lisa Nichols: want to dig into that I think our listeners are gonna be excited about 00:03:26.250 --> 00:03:27.370 Lisa Nichols: to hear. 00:03:27.370 --> 00:03:28.650 Lisa Nichols: But, you know, let... 00:03:28.650 --> 00:03:30.330 Lisa Nichols: Let's talk about your career a little bit. 00:03:30.330 --> 00:03:34.330 Lisa Nichols: So you had over thirty years of building this incredible career 00:03:34.675 --> 00:03:37.395 Lisa Nichols: at Edward Jones. 00:03:37.395 --> 00:03:41.395 Lisa Nichols: Did you ever imagine that one day now, Greg, you would be a novelist? 00:03:42.435 --> 00:03:43.235 Greg Dosmann: Never. 00:03:43.235 --> 00:03:44.035 Greg Dosmann: No. 00:03:44.035 --> 00:03:44.515 Greg Dosmann: No. 00:03:44.515 --> 00:03:47.555 Greg Dosmann: I I had thoughts of it literally in my late... 00:03:47.555 --> 00:03:50.050 Greg Dosmann: Not a novelist, but to write a book. 00:03:50.050 --> 00:03:54.050 Greg Dosmann: And it's interesting though because, golly, it must have been ten, fifteen 00:03:54.130 --> 00:03:54.610 Greg Dosmann: years ago. 00:03:54.610 --> 00:03:58.610 Greg Dosmann: Some of those friends and brothers closest to me said, Doseman, you're a 00:03:58.610 --> 00:03:59.250 Greg Dosmann: storyteller. 00:03:59.250 --> 00:04:01.090 Greg Dosmann: You need to tell it as a story. 00:04:01.090 --> 00:04:05.090 Greg Dosmann: And that was the precipice or the catalyst to switch from writing the 00:04:05.305 --> 00:04:09.305 Greg Dosmann: seven ways to do life or whatever to to doing it in 00:04:09.385 --> 00:04:09.785 Greg Dosmann: story. 00:04:09.785 --> 00:04:13.145 Greg Dosmann: And I am grateful because that's been so much more enjoyable. 00:04:13.145 --> 00:04:16.265 Greg Dosmann: Hopefully, my hope is more impactful, but we'll see. 00:04:16.265 --> 00:04:17.145 Lisa Nichols: Impactful. 00:04:17.145 --> 00:04:17.945 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:04:17.945 --> 00:04:18.780 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:04:18.780 --> 00:04:21.820 Lisa Nichols: Well, I love this because I read something where you said I was dumb 00:04:21.820 --> 00:04:25.180 Lisa Nichols: enough to believe and smart enough to do. 00:04:25.180 --> 00:04:25.740 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:04:25.740 --> 00:04:26.860 Lisa Nichols: Because you had an incredible... 00:04:26.860 --> 00:04:29.260 Lisa Nichols: You became a

principal partner at Edward Jones. 00:04:29.260 --> 00:04:30.795 Lisa Nichols: You had an incredible career. 00:04:30.795 --> 00:04:33.275 Lisa Nichols: But where did that mindset come from? 00:04:33.275 --> 00:04:33.755 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:04:33.755 --> 00:04:36.395 Lisa Nichols: I'm dumb enough to believe and smart enough to do. 00:04:36.395 --> 00:04:40.395 Greg Dosmann: You're you're such a you're such a pro because that was the absolute next 00:04:40.475 --> 00:04:41.595 Greg Dosmann: point on my notes. 00:04:41.595 --> 00:04:42.395 Greg Dosmann: So Okay. 00:04:42.395 --> 00:04:43.515 Greg Dosmann: That's that's amazing. 00:04:43.515 --> 00:04:43.995 Greg Dosmann: Well done. 00:04:43.995 --> 00:04:45.760 Greg Dosmann: Well done, girl. 00:04:45.760 --> 00:04:46.080 Greg Dosmann: No. 00:04:46.080 --> 00:04:50.080 Greg Dosmann: The story is, I was recruited to play college soccer at Grace 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:51.200 Greg Dosmann: College. 00:04:51.200 --> 00:04:55.200 Greg Dosmann: And the coach, you know, way back when when we had no Internet, no 00:04:55.520 --> 00:04:59.520 Greg Dosmann: technology of any kind, my buddy, Rusty, and I were recruited to to 00:04:59.665 --> 00:05:03.185 Greg Dosmann: go to Grace together and play soccer because in high school, we had scored 00:05:03.185 --> 00:05:04.385 Greg Dosmann: a ton of goals together. 00:05:04.385 --> 00:05:08.385 Greg Dosmann: We were just a tandem that was really good at scoring goals. 00:05:09.185 --> 00:05:13.185 Greg Dosmann: So the coach writes us all summer long with a training regimen 00:05:13.500 --> 00:05:16.460 Greg Dosmann: of what we're supposed to do to to be in shape to report the 00:05:16.460 --> 00:05:20.460 Greg Dosmann: preseason because first day of preseason season, Monday morning, 00:05:20.780 --> 00:05:23.980 Greg Dosmann: six AM is what they call the twelve minute run. 00:05:23.980 --> 00:05:25.420 Greg Dosmann: You had to run twelve... 00:05:25.420 --> 00:05:29.420 Greg Dosmann: Two miles in under twelve minutes on the soccer field in cleats. 00:05:29.595 --> 00:05:33.595 Greg Dosmann: And so, of course, being young, dumb, and and arrogant, 00:05:34.075 --> 00:05:36.875 Greg Dosmann: do you think Rusty or I did any of the training all summer long? 00:05:36.875 --> 00:05:37.355 Greg Dosmann: Of course not. 00:05:37.355 --> 00:05:37.995 Lisa Nichols: Probably not. 00:05:37.995 --> 00:05:38.195 Greg Dosmann: No. 00:05:38.075 --> 00:05:41.470 Greg Dosmann: We were we were playing summer soccer, and, hey, we were in shape. 00:05:41.470 --> 00:05:45.470 Greg Dosmann: And we were literally on vacation together up at Big Crystal Lake 00:05:45.550 --> 00:05:49.550 Greg Dosmann: in Northern Michigan, the week before the, reporting 00:05:49.870 --> 00:05:51.870 Greg Dosmann: the training on Sunday afternoon. 00:05:51.870 --> 00:05:52.910 Greg Dosmann: It's Friday afternoon. 00:05:52.910 --> 00:05:53.790 Greg Dosmann: We're sitting on the lake... 00:05:53.790 --> 00:05:55.895 Greg Dosmann: On the beach, and we look at each other and go, hey. 00:05:55.895 --> 00:05:57.495 Greg Dosmann: What do you think about the twelve minute run? 00:05:57.495 --> 00:05:57.975 Greg Dosmann: I don't know. 00:05:57.975 --> 00:05:59.255 Greg Dosmann: What do you think about it? 00:05:59.255 --> 00:06:02.215 Greg Dosmann: So we literally went back to the house, put on some running shoes. 00:06:02.215 --> 00:06:05.495 Greg Dosmann: He got in his car, and we we mapped out a two mile track 00:06:05.495 --> 00:06:06.615 Greg Dosmann: on the street. 00:06:06.615 --> 00:06:09.740 Greg Dosmann: And he had, you might remember this, the old Armitron watch. 00:06:09.740 --> 00:06:12.460 Greg Dosmann: It was one of the first electronic watches. 00:06:12.460 --> 00:06:15.340 Greg Dosmann: And he says, ready, set, go, and we take off. 00:06:15.340 --> 00:06:19.340 Greg Dosmann: And now Rusty was always a way more gifted athlete than I was, and 00:06:19.340 --> 00:06:20.860 Greg Dosmann: so he got ahead of me real quick. 00:06:20.860 --> 00:06:24.565 Greg Dosmann: So, I mean, Lisa, I'm pushing as hard as I can the whole time. 00:06:24.565 --> 00:06:28.165 Greg Dosmann: And as I'm coming to the last fifty, hundred yards, Rusty's standing there at 00:06:28.165 --> 00:06:30.165 Greg Dosmann: the at the end of the run with his watch out. 00:06:30.165 --> 00:06:31.925 Greg Dosmann: And as I cross, he hits it. 00:06:31.925 --> 00:06:33.045 Greg Dosmann: And I said, what did I do? 00:06:33.045 --> 00:06:34.245 Greg Dosmann: What did I what do? 00:06:34.245 --> 00:06:36.660 Greg Dosmann: And he says twelve fifty six. 00:06:36.660 --> 00:06:37.860 Greg Dosmann: Oh. 00:06:37.860 --> 00:06:39.220 Greg Dosmann: And I was like... 00:06:39.220 --> 00:06:39.860 Greg Dosmann: I mean... 00:06:39.860 --> 00:06:42.100 Greg Dosmann: And I thought I pushed as hard as I could. 00:06:42.100 --> 00:06:44.100 Greg Dosmann: And I was like, oh goodness. 00:06:44.100 --> 00:06:44.580 Greg Dosmann: I've got... 00:06:44.580 --> 00:06:45.860 Greg Dosmann: I have to cut a minute off. 00:06:45.860 --> 00:06:46.340 Greg Dosmann: Now... 00:06:46.340 --> 00:06:49.985 Greg Dosmann: And I have to tell you, the the 00:06:49.985 --> 00:06:52.865 Greg Dosmann: the the value of making the run was huge. 00:06:52.865 --> 00:06:55.345 Greg Dosmann: Because if you didn't make it Monday, you had to run it Tuesday. 00:06:55.345 --> 00:06:57.665 Greg Dosmann: If you didn't make it Tuesday, Wednesday, you had to do it every day 00:06:57.665 --> 00:06:58.545 Greg Dosmann: of preseason. 00:06:58.545 --> 00:07:00.945 Greg Dosmann: Not only that, I was a scholarship athlete. 00:07:00.945 --> 00:07:02.545 Greg Dosmann: It'd be pretty embarrassing to... 00:07:02.545 --> 00:07:06.040 Greg Dosmann: You know, it was, like, huge, huge premium on making this run. 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.240 Greg Dosmann: So I was wise enough not to do anything Saturday or Sunday because I 00:07:09.240 -->

00:07:13.160 Greg Dosmann: knew I can't change, you know, reality in two days. 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:14.520 Greg Dosmann: Show up Monday morning. 00:07:14.520 --> 00:07:17.805 Greg Dosmann: He pulls us into the corner a little before six AM, and he looks 00:07:17.805 --> 00:07:19.085 Greg Dosmann: at us, coach Dave Deal. 00:07:19.085 --> 00:07:20.765 Greg Dosmann: I'm still friends with him today. 00:07:20.765 --> 00:07:23.725 Greg Dosmann: He, he says, you know, I'm looking at each one of you, and I 00:07:23.725 --> 00:07:26.845 Greg Dosmann: can tell some of you are physically ready for this run. 00:07:26.845 --> 00:07:27.965 Greg Dosmann: Then he looks around again. 00:07:27.965 --> 00:07:31.165 Greg Dosmann: He goes, I can also look around and see some of you aren't physically 00:07:31.165 --> 00:07:32.420 Greg Dosmann: ready for this run. 00:07:32.420 --> 00:07:36.340 Greg Dosmann: And he says, but I'm telling you, this run is eighty percent mental. 00:07:36.340 --> 00:07:39.220 Greg Dosmann: Well, after he said that, I just locked into that. 00:07:39.220 --> 00:07:40.260 Greg Dosmann: And I'm like, it's eighty... 00:07:40.260 --> 00:07:42.660 Greg Dosmann: And he sounded like Charlie Brown's teacher after that. 00:07:42.660 --> 00:07:43.780 Greg Dosmann: It was, wah, wah, wah, wah. 00:07:43.780 --> 00:07:44.340 Greg Dosmann: Because I was just... 00:07:44.340 --> 00:07:45.300 Greg Dosmann: It's eighty percent mental. 00:07:45.300 --> 00:07:46.260 Greg Dosmann: It's eighty percent mental. 00:07:46.260 --> 00:07:47.495 Greg Dosmann: I'm making this run. 00:07:47.495 --> 00:07:48.535 Greg Dosmann: So we take off. 00:07:48.535 --> 00:07:50.055 Greg Dosmann: It was nine laps. 00:07:50.055 --> 00:07:51.095 Greg Dosmann: I kid you not, Lisa. 00:07:51.095 --> 00:07:54.615 Greg Dosmann: I get to lap six, and I am in more pain than I've ever 00:07:54.615 --> 00:07:56.055 Greg Dosmann: been in my life. 00:07:56.055 --> 00:08:00.055 Greg Dosmann: And, and I literally thought, go down, fake a twisted ankle, 00:08:00.250 --> 00:08:02.970 Greg Dosmann: do something, do anything to get out of this pain. 00:08:02.970 --> 00:08:04.330 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:08:04.330 --> 00:08:06.010 Greg Dosmann: And then something clicked. 00:08:06.010 --> 00:08:10.010 Greg Dosmann: It was like something clicked that said, this is the eighty percent mental part. 00:08:10.970 --> 00:08:13.290 Greg Dosmann: And I just, in my mind, said, no. 00:08:13.290 --> 00:08:14.015 Greg Dosmann: I'm making it. 00:08:14.015 --> 00:08:14.575 Greg Dosmann: I don't care. 00:08:14.575 --> 00:08:15.615 Greg Dosmann: I'm making this run. 00:08:15.615 --> 00:08:18.895 Greg Dosmann: I made it through lap seven, made it through lap eight, came around for 00:08:18.895 --> 00:08:19.775 Greg Dosmann: lap nine. 00:08:19.775 --> 00:08:23.455 Greg Dosmann: Assistant coach Paul Henning was on the corner with a stopwatch, and he shouts, 00:08:23.455 --> 00:08:24.975 Greg Dosmann: you got a minute twenty four. 00:08:24.975 --> 00:08:25.935 Greg Dosmann: You can make it. 00:08:25.935 --> 00:08:28.975 Greg Dosmann: Well, the first thought was I ran the first lap at a minute twenty 00:08:28.975 --> 00:08:29.630 Greg Dosmann: six. 00:08:29.630 --> 00:08:31.710 Greg Dosmann: So now I'm like, you know, my mind goes great. 00:08:31.710 --> 00:08:34.670 Greg Dosmann: You gotta run the last lap faster in the first, but I just said 00:08:34.670 --> 00:08:35.390 Greg Dosmann: I'm gonna make it. 00:08:35.390 --> 00:08:36.030 Greg Dosmann: I took off. 00:08:36.030 --> 00:08:40.030 Greg Dosmann: I came around the final hundred yards, and coach Henning's 00:08:40.030 --> 00:08:43.015 Greg Dosmann: down there going nineteen, eighteen. 00:08:43.015 --> 00:08:47.015 Greg Dosmann: And, I mean, I was spent, but I somehow found another kick and just 00:08:47.655 --> 00:08:48.855 Greg Dosmann: everything I had. 00:08:48.855 --> 00:08:52.135 Greg Dosmann: And about with fifty yards to go, I was like, wait. 00:08:52.135 --> 00:08:53.735 Greg Dosmann: Do I hear a donkey? 00:08:53.735 --> 00:08:57.735 Greg Dosmann: And what I was hearing was, and then I realized it was me. 00:08:58.120 --> 00:08:58.840 Greg Dosmann: I was like... 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.080 Greg Dosmann: And as I'm running, I'm going, oh my goodness. 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:02.840 Greg Dosmann: I sound like a donkey. 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.680 Greg Dosmann: But I said, I don't care. 00:09:04.680 --> 00:09:08.360 Greg Dosmann: And I crossed the line at eleven fifty six. 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:09.320 Lisa Nichols: My goodness. 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:10.040 Lisa Nichols: Four minute... 00:09:10.040 --> 00:09:11.160 Lisa Nichols: Four seconds to spare. 00:09:11.160 --> 00:09:12.200 Greg Dosmann: Four seconds to spare. 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:16.200 Greg Dosmann: And it just, you know, it it hit me that, you know, 00:09:16.475 --> 00:09:20.395 Greg Dosmann: I don't know if it hit me exactly right then, but I realized that 00:09:20.395 --> 00:09:24.395 Greg Dosmann: so much of life is about being dumb enough to believe 00:09:24.875 --> 00:09:28.875 Greg Dosmann: a statement like it's eighty percent mental, but then smart enough 00:09:29.170 --> 00:09:33.170 Greg Dosmann: to take the pain, do the work, do what's necessary to make it happen. 00:09:33.730 --> 00:09:35.250 Greg Dosmann: And so when Edwards... 00:09:35.250 --> 00:09:39.170 Greg Dosmann: When I heard of the Edward Jones opportunity, and they said go go meet 00:09:39.170 --> 00:09:42.930 Greg Dosmann: a thousand people face to face, go meet, five hundred of them a second 00:09:42.930 --> 00:09:46.265 Greg Dosmann: time, Try to solve a financial need for them. 00:09:46.265 --> 00:09:47.705 Greg Dosmann: Do this over and over and over again. 00:09:47.705 --> 00:09:50.825 Greg Dosmann: You're gonna have a successful career as a financial adviser. 00:09:50.825 --> 00:09:51.545 Greg Dosmann: I was like, alright. 00:09:51.545 --> 00:09:53.625 Greg

Dosmann: I'm dumb enough to believe that. 00:09:53.625 --> 00:09:55.385 Greg Dosmann: So I did it. 00:09:55.385 --> 00:09:55.945 Lisa Nichols: You did it. 00:09:55.945 --> 00:09:56.185 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:09:56.185 --> 00:09:58.460 Greg Dosmann: And then it was, you know, hey. 00:09:58.460 --> 00:10:01.340 Greg Dosmann: You know, if you get back to the firm, act like a partner, etcetera, 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:01.820 Greg Dosmann: etcetera. 00:10:01.820 --> 00:10:04.620 Greg Dosmann: And and so I was dumb enough to believe that whole story too. 00:10:04.620 --> 00:10:07.660 Greg Dosmann: And, you know, as you point out, twenty three... 00:10:07.660 --> 00:10:11.660 Greg Dosmann: Well, ten years as an adviser and twenty three as a principal, I've never 00:10:11.895 --> 00:10:15.895 Greg Dosmann: forgotten that, and I think it's a really, you know, in fact, 00:10:15.895 --> 00:10:17.895 Greg Dosmann: a friend the other day, texted me. 00:10:17.895 --> 00:10:20.935 Greg Dosmann: It's all about DEBSED , d e b s e d. 00:10:20.935 --> 00:10:23.470 Greg Dosmann: Dumb enough to believe, smart enough to do. 00:10:23.470 --> 00:10:24.510 Lisa Nichols: I love that. 00:10:24.510 --> 00:10:24.750 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:10:24.750 --> 00:10:25.230 Greg Dosmann: Definitely. 00:10:25.230 --> 00:10:25.950 Lisa Nichols: I loved it. 00:10:25.950 --> 00:10:26.190 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:10:26.190 --> 00:10:28.510 Lisa Nichols: You must have said that to him at some point. 00:10:28.510 --> 00:10:29.150 Greg Dosmann: Absolutely. 00:10:29.150 --> 00:10:31.150 Greg Dosmann: Well, it's it's a good friend of ours, Zach Clark. 00:10:31.150 --> 00:10:31.950 Greg Dosmann: You know you know 00:10:31.950 --> 00:10:32.150 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:10:32.110 --> 00:10:32.830 Lisa Nichols: Oh, of course. 00:10:32.830 --> 00:10:33.390 Lisa Nichols: I know Zach. 00:10:33.390 --> 00:10:33.630 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:10:33.630 --> 00:10:34.750 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:10:34.750 --> 00:10:35.790 Lisa Nichols: Oh, gosh. 00:10:35.790 --> 00:10:36.910 Lisa Nichols: That is so awesome. 00:10:36.910 --> 00:10:39.185 Lisa Nichols: Well, it definitely worked out for you. 00:10:39.185 --> 00:10:41.745 Lisa Nichols: I mean, and just so much is mental. 00:10:41.745 --> 00:10:42.545 Lisa Nichols: It is true. 00:10:42.545 --> 00:10:46.545 Lisa Nichols: But, you know, there's so much in that story because the preparation 00:10:48.145 --> 00:10:49.745 Lisa Nichols: is so important, Greg. 00:10:49.745 --> 00:10:52.350 Lisa Nichols: I bet you that taught you a lesson about preparing. 00:10:52.350 --> 00:10:52.990 Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent. 00:10:52.990 --> 00:10:53.790 Greg Dosmann: I never showed up. 00:10:53.790 --> 00:10:55.150 Greg Dosmann: Presentation. 00:10:55.150 --> 00:10:56.350 Greg Dosmann: The next year, I... 00:10:56.350 --> 00:11:00.350 Greg Dosmann: Next year, I cruised, to the run at eleven forty five without 00:11:00.830 --> 00:11:03.470 Greg Dosmann: any, you know, any any issues at

all. 00:11:03.470 --> 00:11:05.345 Greg Dosmann: But, you know, you make a great point. 00:11:05.345 --> 00:11:08.145 Greg Dosmann: I mean, that was a huge lesson, like, do not show up. 00:11:08.145 --> 00:11:10.945 Greg Dosmann: I I, you know, I vowed to myself I was never gonna do that 00:11:10.945 --> 00:11:11.425 Greg Dosmann: again. 00:11:11.425 --> 00:11:11.985 Greg Dosmann: Mhmm. 00:11:11.985 --> 00:11:13.345 Greg Dosmann: You know, I was glad I did it. 00:11:13.345 --> 00:11:16.305 Greg Dosmann: Grateful that I had the opportunity to do it and and learn what I 00:11:16.305 --> 00:11:19.100 Greg Dosmann: learned, but it was lesson learned, never doing that again. 00:11:19.100 --> 00:11:22.300 Greg Dosmann: And I do think there's a a real true spiritual tie there. 00:11:22.300 --> 00:11:24.700 Greg Dosmann: It's faith with works. 00:11:24.700 --> 00:11:26.140 Greg Dosmann: You know, James teaches us that. 00:11:26.140 --> 00:11:26.780 Greg Dosmann: You know, you 00:11:26.780 --> 00:11:27.340 Lisa Nichols: That's right. 00:11:27.340 --> 00:11:30.380 Greg Dosmann: You have to have faith, but you also need to have works combined with 00:11:30.380 --> 00:11:30.580 Greg Dosmann: it. 00:11:30.540 --> 00:11:34.075 Greg Dosmann: And that's that's a very rudimentary example of that. 00:11:34.075 --> 00:11:34.395 Greg Dosmann: But it... 00:11:34.395 --> 00:11:34.795 Greg Dosmann: But it... 00:11:34.795 --> 00:11:37.515 Greg Dosmann: It's it's singed in my brain, if you will. 00:11:37.515 --> 00:11:38.315 Lisa Nichols: I love that. 00:11:38.315 --> 00:11:38.715 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:11:38.715 --> 00:11:40.315 Lisa Nichols: Faith without works is dead. 00:11:40.315 --> 00:11:40.555 Lisa Nichols: Correct. 00:11:40.555 --> 00:11:43.915 Lisa Nichols: I mean, faith is, you know, dead if you don't see the fruit. 00:11:43.915 --> 00:11:44.395 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:11:44.395 --> 00:11:45.115 Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent. 00:11:45.115 --> 00:11:47.330 Lisa Nichols: So so good. 00:11:47.330 --> 00:11:48.610 Lisa Nichols: Well, let me ask you this. 00:11:48.610 --> 00:11:49.010 Lisa Nichols: So we... 00:11:49.010 --> 00:11:50.130 Lisa Nichols: I think you retire... 00:11:50.130 --> 00:11:52.450 Lisa Nichols: You retired in twenty nineteen, I think. 00:11:52.450 --> 00:11:53.330 Greg Dosmann: December of nineteen. 00:11:53.330 --> 00:11:54.210 Greg Dosmann: Yep. 00:11:54.210 --> 00:11:57.410 Lisa Nichols: Right before the the shutdown. 00:11:57.410 --> 00:11:58.285 Greg Dosmann: Crazy. 00:11:58.285 --> 00:11:59.645 Lisa Nichols: It was crazy. 00:11:59.645 --> 00:12:03.645 Lisa Nichols: But, you know, after you retired, you'd had this illustrious career. 00:12:03.885 --> 00:12:07.085 Lisa Nichols: What made you think, I'm not done yet. 00:12:07.085 --> 00:12:08.365 Lisa Nichols: God's not done with me yet. 00:12:08.365 --> 00:12:09.325 Lisa Nichols: And I know, you know... 00:12:09.325 --> 00:12:11.485 Lisa Nichols: I mean, I know you love to go off, and you did that, but 00:12:11.485 --> 00:12:13.950 Lisa Nichols: you went on to do some real estate investment. 00:12:13.950 --> 00:12:14.830 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:12:14.830 --> 00:12:16.430 Lisa Nichols: And, you know, you're not done yet. 00:12:16.430 --> 00:12:16.670 Greg Dosmann: No. 00:12:16.670 --> 00:12:17.150 Greg Dosmann: It's... 00:12:17.150 --> 00:12:18.190 Greg Dosmann: Thank you for asking that. 00:12:18.190 --> 00:12:22.190 Greg Dosmann: And and and candidly, probably in the last twenty 00:12:22.190 --> 00:12:25.885 Greg Dosmann: four months, I feel like I've really kind of, you know, if in a 00:12:25.885 --> 00:12:29.885 Greg Dosmann: way finally heard from God or was listening, enough and open 00:12:29.885 --> 00:12:33.085 Greg Dosmann: enough to hear what is it that he really has for me. 00:12:33.085 --> 00:12:33.725 Greg Dosmann: You know, you... 00:12:33.725 --> 00:12:37.725 Greg Dosmann: I think you know I I was, I enrolled in the the halftime institute 00:12:38.445 --> 00:12:42.380 Greg Dosmann: at the beginning of nineteen, which was the whole idea to help you figure 00:12:42.380 --> 00:12:44.380 Greg Dosmann: out what the second half is about. 00:12:44.380 --> 00:12:47.900 Greg Dosmann: And me being a pragmatist, I've I've said many times, I said, let's be 00:12:47.900 --> 00:12:48.220 Greg Dosmann: honest. 00:12:48.220 --> 00:12:49.340 Greg Dosmann: I'm not in the second half. 00:12:49.340 --> 00:12:51.660 Greg Dosmann: I'm probably in the fourth quarter. 00:12:51.660 --> 00:12:54.380 Greg Dosmann: But that's kind, you know, to call it halftime. 00:12:54.380 --> 00:12:55.355 Greg Dosmann: But, 00:12:55.355 --> 00:12:55.555 Lisa Nichols: you 00:12:55.515 --> 00:12:57.595 Greg Dosmann: know, I did do, you know, private equity. 00:12:57.595 --> 00:13:00.075 Greg Dosmann: I did do a bunch of real estate stuff. 00:13:00.075 --> 00:13:04.075 Greg Dosmann: I did, you know, got, you know, got to play golf more, etcetera, 00:13:04.075 --> 00:13:04.555 Greg Dosmann: etcetera. 00:13:04.555 --> 00:13:08.555 Greg Dosmann: But candidly, there was that smoldering discontent to 00:13:08.635 --> 00:13:11.480 Greg Dosmann: say, this isn't what it's about. 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:13.160 Greg Dosmann: And so it was interesting. 00:13:13.160 --> 00:13:17.160 Greg Dosmann: I did a silent retreat, which I would recommend for everyone, 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:18.680 Greg Dosmann: with a caution. 00:13:18.680 --> 00:13:22.680 Greg Dosmann: Don't go, on a silent retreat for two or three days 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:27.080 Greg Dosmann: asking God to speak and not expect to hear it, because you will. 00:13:27.545 --> 00:13:29.625 Greg Dosmann: And then the question is, what are you gonna do with it? 00:13:29.625 --> 00:13:32.425 Greg Dosmann: And, actually, two things came out of that silent retreat. 00:13:32.425 --> 00:13:36.425 Greg Dosmann: One, candidly, from a personal financial standpoint, 00:13:36.585 --> 00:13:38.780 Greg Dosmann: was start gifting

to your family now. 00:13:38.780 --> 00:13:39.900 Greg Dosmann: And so I said, okay. 00:13:39.900 --> 00:13:40.140 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:13:40.140 --> 00:13:44.140 Greg Dosmann: And when I was, I would have been maybe sixty, maybe 00:13:44.380 --> 00:13:45.980 Greg Dosmann: not even sixty yet. 00:13:45.980 --> 00:13:46.860 Greg Dosmann: But anyway, no. 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:47.500 Greg Dosmann: I wasn't. 00:13:47.500 --> 00:13:51.500 Greg Dosmann: And as an adviser, I always thought you don't have clients gift until 00:13:51.820 --> 00:13:53.985 Greg Dosmann: they're in their seventies, but it was clear. 00:13:53.985 --> 00:13:55.585 Greg Dosmann: You need to start gifting now. 00:13:55.585 --> 00:13:57.985 Greg Dosmann: And then the second thing, the the story... 00:13:57.985 --> 00:13:59.265 Greg Dosmann: I always have a story. 00:13:59.265 --> 00:14:00.545 Greg Dosmann: We're in Colorado. 00:14:00.545 --> 00:14:04.545 Greg Dosmann: They had, free bikes you could use, and so I took a bike and 00:14:04.625 --> 00:14:07.185 Greg Dosmann: rode to the end of this trail, locked the bike up, and I was 00:14:07.185 --> 00:14:11.185 Greg Dosmann: gonna find the perfect serene, you know, spot in the mountains to 00:14:11.230 --> 00:14:12.350 Greg Dosmann: hear from God. 00:14:12.350 --> 00:14:15.390 Greg Dosmann: And I kept hiking and hiking down this trail, and I kept running into 00:14:15.390 --> 00:14:18.910 Greg Dosmann: mountain climbers, and I'd run into mountain bikers and and hike... 00:14:18.910 --> 00:14:20.750 Greg Dosmann: And everywhere, I kept running into people. 00:14:20.750 --> 00:14:23.950 Greg Dosmann: And finally, I was like, I'm gonna spend all day hiking if I don't 00:14:23.950 --> 00:14:24.590 Greg Dosmann: stop. 00:14:24.590 --> 00:14:25.735 Greg Dosmann: So I finally said, okay. 00:14:25.735 --> 00:14:26.855 Greg Dosmann: Here's a good spot. 00:14:26.855 --> 00:14:30.855 Greg Dosmann: I sat down, and I'm looking out over the hotel we were staying at 00:14:31.495 --> 00:14:33.495 Greg Dosmann: and the highway. 00:14:33.495 --> 00:14:36.055 Greg Dosmann: And that was part of the message was God was... 00:14:36.055 --> 00:14:36.695 Greg Dosmann: In my... 00:14:36.695 --> 00:14:38.620 Greg Dosmann: What I feel like I heard was, hey. 00:14:38.620 --> 00:14:40.220 Greg Dosmann: You're supposed to still be engaged. 00:14:40.220 --> 00:14:44.220 Greg Dosmann: You're supposed to be reaching out, to communicate to masses. 00:14:44.540 --> 00:14:46.140 Greg Dosmann: So, again... 00:14:46.140 --> 00:14:50.140 Greg Dosmann: And I'm in the process, frankly, of decoupling from private 00:14:50.460 --> 00:14:54.460 Greg Dosmann: equity investing, from real estate investing, because 00:14:55.045 --> 00:14:59.045 Greg Dosmann: I believe my purpose now is to use words 00:14:59.125 --> 00:15:02.885 Greg Dosmann: written and spoken to engage and inspire the next generation. 00:15:02.885 --> 00:15:05.780 Greg Dosmann: And so everything now funnels through that grid. 00:15:05.780 --> 00:15:09.780 Greg Dosmann: And if it's not something that will help me use words written and spoken, 00:15:10.020 --> 00:15:13.300 Greg Dosmann: engage and inspire the next generation for the kingdom, I say no. 00:15:13.300 --> 00:15:14.740 Lisa Nichols: You don't need to be doing that. 00:15:14.740 --> 00:15:17.700 Greg Dosmann: I had a I had a private equity call the other day, and I 00:15:17.700 --> 00:15:18.180 Greg Dosmann: told them... 00:15:18.180 --> 00:15:18.935 Greg Dosmann: I said, look. 00:15:18.935 --> 00:15:20.935 Greg Dosmann: You know, I I I appreciate what you're doing. 00:15:20.935 --> 00:15:24.535 Greg Dosmann: I made a lot of calls myself in my career, especially as an FA. 00:15:24.535 --> 00:15:27.895 Greg Dosmann: But I said, I am wasting your time because you could tell me this 00:15:27.895 --> 00:15:31.895 Greg Dosmann: is a guaranteed hundred percent return, and I'm not interested. 00:15:32.220 --> 00:15:34.220 Greg Dosmann: Because I don't wanna be dis... 00:15:34.220 --> 00:15:38.220 Greg Dosmann: I know those types of things take more effort energy than I'm willing 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:42.220 Greg Dosmann: to give, and I wanna give a hundred percent of my effort and energy, 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:43.660 Greg Dosmann: to that purpose. 00:15:43.660 --> 00:15:44.300 Lisa Nichols: Right. 00:15:44.300 --> 00:15:45.605 Lisa Nichols: You know, what a gift. 00:15:45.605 --> 00:15:46.405 Lisa Nichols: Right, Greg? 00:15:46.405 --> 00:15:48.485 Lisa Nichols: You really have that clarity 00:15:48.485 --> 00:15:49.125 Greg Dosmann: The clarity. 00:15:49.125 --> 00:15:49.765 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:15:49.765 --> 00:15:53.685 Lisa Nichols: On your purpose, but I heard a few things from you. 00:15:53.685 --> 00:15:57.205 Lisa Nichols: I mean, you took the time to get a loan 00:15:57.205 --> 00:15:57.780 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:15:57.780 --> 00:16:00.900 Lisa Nichols: Number one, with your silent retreat. 00:16:00.900 --> 00:16:02.500 Lisa Nichols: And to me... 00:16:02.500 --> 00:16:04.740 Lisa Nichols: I mean, faith is everything for us 00:16:04.740 --> 00:16:05.780 Greg Dosmann: to make sure. 00:16:05.780 --> 00:16:06.580 Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent. 00:16:06.580 --> 00:16:10.580 Lisa Nichols: And I'm never going to be living out my 00:16:11.665 --> 00:16:14.785 Lisa Nichols: true purpose without the wisdom of God. 00:16:14.785 --> 00:16:15.025 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:16:15.025 --> 00:16:16.145 Greg Dosmann: That's just... 00:16:16.145 --> 00:16:17.185 Lisa Nichols: That's it. 00:16:17.185 --> 00:16:17.585 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:16:17.585 --> 00:16:18.545 Lisa Nichols: Short and simple. 00:16:18.545 --> 00:16:19.025 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:16:19.025 --> 00:16:20.305 Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent. 00:16:20.305 --> 00:16:24.305 Lisa Nichols: And so, like, leaning in and listening to him and talking to him about 00:16:24.465 --> 00:16:27.690 Lisa Nichols: it, I think, I just heard lots

there. 00:16:27.690 --> 00:16:31.690 Lisa Nichols: So, yeah, I I love, I love the whole thing 00:16:31.770 --> 00:16:35.770 Lisa Nichols: about storytelling, but let's let's get into 00:16:36.010 --> 00:16:37.770 Lisa Nichols: the boy from Sherwood Crescent. 00:16:37.770 --> 00:16:40.495 Lisa Nichols: And I've got lots of questions for you here. 00:16:40.495 --> 00:16:43.615 Lisa Nichols: I would love for you to tell us the story behind this, and we 00:16:43.615 --> 00:16:47.615 Lisa Nichols: are, right now, the book is scheduled to come out probably 00:16:47.855 --> 00:16:48.975 Lisa Nichols: in November. 00:16:48.975 --> 00:16:50.015 Greg Dosmann: Correct. 00:16:50.015 --> 00:16:51.455 Lisa Nichols: So this will probably... 00:16:51.455 --> 00:16:55.340 Lisa Nichols: This episode will probably launch a little bit before the book comes out, but 00:16:55.340 --> 00:16:58.300 Lisa Nichols: I really want our listeners to hear Greg's heart. 00:16:58.300 --> 00:17:01.260 Lisa Nichols: And when that book comes out, looks like make it a bestseller. 00:17:01.260 --> 00:17:03.020 Lisa Nichols: So, you know... 00:17:03.020 --> 00:17:05.020 Lisa Nichols: But where where did the story come from? 00:17:05.020 --> 00:17:07.825 Lisa Nichols: I know the story was inside of you for a long time. 00:17:07.825 --> 00:17:08.065 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:17:08.065 --> 00:17:09.345 Greg Dosmann: I mean, thanks for asking. 00:17:09.345 --> 00:17:13.345 Greg Dosmann: It was probably, thinking back, 00:17:13.505 --> 00:17:15.985 Greg Dosmann: a good twenty five if if... 00:17:15.985 --> 00:17:18.465 Greg Dosmann: Somewhere between twenty five and thirty years ago. 00:17:18.465 --> 00:17:21.025 Greg Dosmann: I had this story, you know, brewing inside of me. 00:17:21.025 --> 00:17:24.560 Greg Dosmann: You know, earlier I mentioned, you know, even in my twenties, I thought I'm 00:17:24.560 --> 00:17:28.400 Greg Dosmann: gonna write a book, and I jotted down notes, and I would save resources. 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.560 Greg Dosmann: I have files and files of stuff. 00:17:30.560 --> 00:17:34.000 Greg Dosmann: And then like I say, it was probably... 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.905 Greg Dosmann: Maybe it was twenty years ago where I was challenged by a dear friend 00:17:37.905 --> 00:17:41.025 Greg Dosmann: and brother to say, Dos, you know, you're a storyteller. 00:17:41.025 --> 00:17:42.545 Greg Dosmann: Tell like a story. 00:17:42.545 --> 00:17:46.545 Greg Dosmann: And, that began that part of the process, and I'll never forget, 00:17:47.185 --> 00:17:51.010 Greg Dosmann: I was, you know, back in the the day I was the area leader 00:17:51.010 --> 00:17:51.730 Greg Dosmann: for the west. 00:17:51.730 --> 00:17:53.570 Greg Dosmann: So I had the twelve most western states. 00:17:53.570 --> 00:17:56.290 Greg Dosmann: You know, I was on the road seventy, eighty percent of the time in 00:17:56.290 --> 00:17:57.330 Greg Dosmann: airplanes. 00:17:57.330 --> 00:18:00.705 Greg Dosmann:

And I was either flying back from Honolulu or... 00:18:00.705 --> 00:18:03.665 Greg Dosmann: Because Hawaii and Alaska were part of my territory. 00:18:03.665 --> 00:18:06.545 Greg Dosmann: I was flying back from either Honolulu... 00:18:06.545 --> 00:18:09.905 Greg Dosmann: I think it was Honolulu because it was a very, very long flight. 00:18:09.905 --> 00:18:12.705 Greg Dosmann: And I had been upgraded, so I'm in first class. 00:18:12.705 --> 00:18:14.705 Greg Dosmann: And the story was just coming to me. 00:18:14.705 --> 00:18:16.520 Greg Dosmann: So I had my iPad out. 00:18:16.520 --> 00:18:19.560 Greg Dosmann: And I mean, Lisa, I was typing away for two, two and a half 00:18:19.560 --> 00:18:19.800 Greg Dosmann: hours. 00:18:19.800 --> 00:18:20.760 Greg Dosmann: Just do do do do do. 00:18:20.760 --> 00:18:22.360 Greg Dosmann: Just going at it, going at it. 00:18:22.360 --> 00:18:23.720 Greg Dosmann: And finally, they say, hey. 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:24.520 Greg Dosmann: It's time to... 00:18:24.520 --> 00:18:26.040 Greg Dosmann: You know, we're in the final approach. 00:18:26.040 --> 00:18:28.040 Greg Dosmann: Please put up your equipment, blah blah blah. 00:18:28.040 --> 00:18:30.925 Greg Dosmann: So I do all that, and I said to myself, gosh, I was a 00:18:30.925 --> 00:18:31.485 Greg Dosmann: real jerk. 00:18:31.485 --> 00:18:33.645 Greg Dosmann: I didn't say boo to the guy next to me. 00:18:33.645 --> 00:18:35.005 Greg Dosmann: And, you know, you've traveled enough. 00:18:35.005 --> 00:18:37.245 Greg Dosmann: You know the obligatory safe question. 00:18:37.245 --> 00:18:40.045 Greg Dosmann: I said, so are you coming to Saint Louis for work, or is Saint 00:18:40.045 --> 00:18:40.685 Greg Dosmann: Louis home? 00:18:40.685 --> 00:18:41.485 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:18:41.485 --> 00:18:44.560 Greg Dosmann: And and he goes, I'm coming for work. 00:18:44.560 --> 00:18:48.240 Greg Dosmann: And then he goes, dude, please tell me you're an author. 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.200 Greg Dosmann: Well, remember, this is twenty five years ago. 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:52.720 Greg Dosmann: I'm a partner at Jones. 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:53.760 Greg Dosmann: I'm not a Sure. 00:18:53.760 --> 00:18:55.920 Greg Dosmann: I, you know, I have imposter syndrome now. 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:57.335 Greg Dosmann: I really had it then. 00:18:57.335 --> 00:19:01.335 Greg Dosmann: And I was like, well, and then before I could even answer, I 00:19:01.335 --> 00:19:02.135 Greg Dosmann: was hedging. 00:19:02.135 --> 00:19:04.855 Greg Dosmann: He looks at me and goes, because all I was thinking is I don't 00:19:04.855 --> 00:19:08.855 Greg Dosmann: wanna be the poor SOB getting that email. 00:19:09.735 --> 00:19:10.870 Lisa Nichols: That's funny. 00:19:10.870 --> 00:19:13.430 Greg Dosmann: Because he saw, you know, he he saw the two and a half hour 00:19:13.430 --> 00:19:15.750 Greg Dosmann: hour email. 00:19:15.750 --> 00:19:16.390 Greg Dosmann: So that's... 00:19:16.390 --> 00:19:19.990 Greg Dosmann: You know, and and candidly, the, 00:19:19.990 --> 00:19:23.990 Greg Dosmann: the story was always to me about a boy 00:19:24.275 --> 00:19:28.275 Greg Dosmann: who was orphaned, but raised by just a God 00:19:28.355 --> 00:19:32.115 Greg Dosmann: fearing, fierce grandmother, 00:19:32.115 --> 00:19:34.355 Greg Dosmann: that was just, you know, amazing. 00:19:34.355 --> 00:19:38.355 Greg Dosmann: Because I had a God fearing, fierce, amazing grandmother 00:19:38.435 --> 00:19:40.240 Greg Dosmann: in my life, mamaw. 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.440 Greg Dosmann: In fact, I even get a little emotional just mentioning her. 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:47.280 Greg Dosmann: She was just an amazing woman of faith. 00:19:47.280 --> 00:19:51.280 Greg Dosmann: Give you a little bit more about her, I didn't know until 00:19:51.520 --> 00:19:55.520 Greg Dosmann: after college that my mamaw was illiterate because she 00:19:55.735 --> 00:19:59.735 Greg Dosmann: grew up literally as a coal miner's daughter in Kentucky, and had to 00:19:59.735 --> 00:20:03.655 Greg Dosmann: drop out of school at age eight to help the family, you know, with 00:20:03.655 --> 00:20:05.495 Greg Dosmann: the chores and everything. 00:20:05.495 --> 00:20:09.495 Greg Dosmann: But my mom told the story that, my 00:20:09.980 --> 00:20:13.980 Greg Dosmann: papa used to read the Bible to her daily. 00:20:14.300 --> 00:20:18.060 Greg Dosmann: And then when he died, my mom said, you would find mamma in the 00:20:18.060 --> 00:20:22.060 Greg Dosmann: morning with her cup of coffee, the Bible open on her lap, and 00:20:22.220 --> 00:20:24.005 Greg Dosmann: her hands on the scripture. 00:20:24.005 --> 00:20:25.845 Greg Dosmann: And then she turned the page and put her... 00:20:25.845 --> 00:20:29.285 Greg Dosmann: Because she believed that the word would reach her heart. 00:20:29.285 --> 00:20:30.405 Lisa Nichols: Would reach her heart. 00:20:30.405 --> 00:20:30.725 Lisa Nichols: Oh. 00:20:30.725 --> 00:20:34.725 Greg Dosmann: And if you knew her, you wouldn't doubt that God granted that, 00:20:34.965 --> 00:20:37.525 Greg Dosmann: that, that commitment on her part. 00:20:37.525 --> 00:20:41.525 Greg Dosmann: But anyway, the story was was rooted really in that. 00:20:42.140 --> 00:20:42.620 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:20:42.620 --> 00:20:46.620 Greg Dosmann: That I wanted, you know, people to hear a story 00:20:47.180 --> 00:20:51.180 Greg Dosmann: of how a faithful mother, a faithful grandmother 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:53.385 Greg Dosmann: can really impact a life. 00:20:53.385 --> 00:20:57.385 Greg Dosmann: And the other big thread is what's meant for evil, 00:20:57.545 --> 00:21:01.305 Greg Dosmann: God can and will use for good, especially when we find the way to 00:21:01.305 --> 00:21:03.385 Greg Dosmann: love through it. 00:21:03.385 --> 00:21:03.705 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:21:03.705 --> 00:21:04.185 Greg Dosmann: So that... 00:21:04.185 --> 00:21:06.505 Greg Dosmann: I

don't know if that's what you're asking, but that's... 00:21:06.505 --> 00:21:06.905 Lisa Nichols: No. 00:21:06.905 --> 00:21:08.330 Lisa Nichols: That's I love that. 00:21:08.330 --> 00:21:10.730 Lisa Nichols: And, you know, I wish I'd known your grandmother. 00:21:10.730 --> 00:21:11.210 Greg Dosmann: Oh, I... 00:21:11.210 --> 00:21:12.170 Greg Dosmann: You woulda loved her. 00:21:12.170 --> 00:21:13.370 Greg Dosmann: You woulda just loved her. 00:21:13.370 --> 00:21:13.770 Lisa Nichols: Just... 00:21:13.770 --> 00:21:17.770 Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness. 00:21:18.410 --> 00:21:18.730 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:21:18.730 --> 00:21:19.050 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:21:19.050 --> 00:21:21.930 Lisa Nichols: I've got a lot of questions about your grandmother, but I think you... 00:21:21.930 --> 00:21:25.930 Lisa Nichols: Well, So, like, your grandmother was illiterate, but would she just talk 00:21:26.055 --> 00:21:26.935 Lisa Nichols: to you about faith? 00:21:26.935 --> 00:21:29.655 Lisa Nichols: Would she talk to you about what God had done in her life, Greg? 00:21:29.655 --> 00:21:30.375 Lisa Nichols: I mean, how would you... 00:21:30.375 --> 00:21:32.695 Greg Dosmann: It was it was just simple things, Lisa. 00:21:32.695 --> 00:21:36.695 Greg Dosmann: Like, it was simple things not only that she said, but that, 00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:38.510 Greg Dosmann: my mom shared. 00:21:38.510 --> 00:21:38.910 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:21:38.910 --> 00:21:42.190 Greg Dosmann: But, you know, for me as a little boy, she was just present. 00:21:42.190 --> 00:21:42.510 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:21:42.510 --> 00:21:44.990 Greg Dosmann: I used to love to just go sit, and we'd sit on the couch 00:21:44.990 --> 00:21:45.950 Greg Dosmann: together. 00:21:45.950 --> 00:21:49.950 Greg Dosmann: And I would pull the skin on her hand and say, mama, your, and 00:21:50.055 --> 00:21:51.815 Greg Dosmann: she goes, oh, I've got old skin. 00:21:51.815 --> 00:21:53.095 Greg Dosmann: You know, I've got old skin. 00:21:53.095 --> 00:21:54.775 Greg Dosmann: Mama's got old skin. 00:21:54.775 --> 00:21:58.775 Greg Dosmann: And then, like, my mom would tell stories like, mama, 00:21:59.175 --> 00:22:01.095 Greg Dosmann: you know, she had seven sisters. 00:22:01.095 --> 00:22:04.535 Greg Dosmann: And she said, you know, we'd go before mama and say, mama, am I 00:22:04.535 --> 00:22:05.320 Greg Dosmann: pretty? 00:22:05.320 --> 00:22:07.720 Greg Dosmann: And she'd say, pretty is as pretty does, honey. 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:09.560 Greg Dosmann: Pretty is as pretty does. 00:22:09.560 --> 00:22:12.200 Greg Dosmann: And, you know, little things like that. 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:12.520 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:22:12.520 --> 00:22:16.520 Greg Dosmann: You know, she used to say, you know, we're not rich, but, clean 00:22:16.840 --> 00:22:17.960 Greg Dosmann: doesn't take a lot of money. 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:19.695 Greg Dosmann: Soap is cheap. 00:22:19.695 --> 00:22:21.775 Greg Dosmann: You know,

so we still stay clean. 00:22:21.775 --> 00:22:24.815 Greg Dosmann: You know, if you weren't feeling good, she'd say, well, just get up and 00:22:24.815 --> 00:22:25.775 Greg Dosmann: do something. 00:22:25.775 --> 00:22:28.655 Greg Dosmann: You know, get up and and straighten a pile of something. 00:22:28.655 --> 00:22:30.175 Greg Dosmann: Just do something, and you know what? 00:22:30.175 --> 00:22:31.215 Greg Dosmann: You're gonna start feeling better. 00:22:31.215 --> 00:22:32.095 Lisa Nichols: You're gonna start feeling 00:22:32.095 --> 00:22:33.630 Greg Dosmann: better. 00:22:33.630 --> 00:22:34.750 Greg Dosmann: Wow. 00:22:34.750 --> 00:22:34.990 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:22:34.990 --> 00:22:38.990 Greg Dosmann: And, you know, I remember walking to the store with her, you 00:22:38.990 --> 00:22:42.990 Greg Dosmann: know, just like I said, just a sweet, sweet presence 00:22:43.390 --> 00:22:46.175 Greg Dosmann: and just, she embodied faith. 00:22:46.175 --> 00:22:46.495 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:22:46.495 --> 00:22:50.495 Greg Dosmann: I mean, it it wasn't like she was constantly open the scriptures 00:22:50.655 --> 00:22:54.655 Greg Dosmann: or quoting scriptures to me, but in her presence, you 00:22:54.815 --> 00:22:58.495 Greg Dosmann: knew you were loved, and loved dearly and deeply. 00:22:58.495 --> 00:22:58.815 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:22:58.815 --> 00:23:00.255 Lisa Nichols: And And that's huge. 00:23:00.255 --> 00:23:01.055 Lisa Nichols: Impactful. 00:23:01.055 --> 00:23:02.110 Greg Dosmann: So impactful. 00:23:02.110 --> 00:23:03.630 Lisa Nichols: So impactful. 00:23:03.630 --> 00:23:04.430 Lisa Nichols: Knowing... 00:23:04.430 --> 00:23:05.150 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:23:05.150 --> 00:23:05.710 Lisa Nichols: I... 00:23:05.710 --> 00:23:07.150 Lisa Nichols: I've often said that. 00:23:07.150 --> 00:23:10.510 Lisa Nichols: Like, you know, when people ask me about children, and I've not done this 00:23:10.510 --> 00:23:14.430 Lisa Nichols: perfectly, but I'm like, you know, your kids need to know that they are 00:23:14.430 --> 00:23:15.945 Lisa Nichols: loved no matter what. 00:23:15.945 --> 00:23:16.585 Greg Dosmann: No matter what. 00:23:16.585 --> 00:23:17.065 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:23:17.065 --> 00:23:21.065 Lisa Nichols: No matter what, that you're in their corner, you know, no matter what they 00:23:21.225 --> 00:23:23.145 Lisa Nichols: do, you know, because it does. 00:23:23.145 --> 00:23:26.825 Lisa Nichols: It just gives you so much, security 00:23:26.825 --> 00:23:27.305 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:23:27.305 --> 00:23:28.025 Lisa Nichols: And... 00:23:28.025 --> 00:23:28.665 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:23:28.665 --> 00:23:30.200 Lisa Nichols: Well, 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:34.200 Greg Dosmann: it's so funny you say that because, you know, Zach and I talk 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:34.680 Greg Dosmann: all the time. 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:37.000 Greg Dosmann: We're like, we all stink at parenting. 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:37.960 Greg Dosmann: Let's be honest. 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:39.480 Greg Dosmann: You know, nobody's good at it. 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:39.880 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:40.840 Lisa Nichols: Nobody's good at it. 00:23:40.840 --> 00:23:41.080 Lisa Nichols: Right. 00:23:41.080 --> 00:23:43.560 Greg Dosmann: I told my kids, I go, you're gonna stink at it too. 00:23:43.560 --> 00:23:44.360 Greg Dosmann: I know I did. 00:23:44.360 --> 00:23:44.995 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:23:44.995 --> 00:23:45.235 Lisa Nichols: Right. 00:23:45.235 --> 00:23:46.035 Greg Dosmann: But at the end of... 00:23:46.035 --> 00:23:48.675 Greg Dosmann: And a good friend of mine, I I was just... 00:23:48.675 --> 00:23:49.795 Greg Dosmann: He came in nobody. 00:23:49.795 --> 00:23:51.155 Greg Dosmann: Came and visited me up in Michigan. 00:23:51.155 --> 00:23:54.675 Greg Dosmann: We got to be friends because we got in a fight in sixth grade. 00:23:54.675 --> 00:23:56.035 Greg Dosmann: Went to the principal's office. 00:23:56.035 --> 00:23:56.995 Greg Dosmann: This is back in the day. 00:23:56.995 --> 00:23:58.710 Greg Dosmann: We actually got paddled. 00:23:58.710 --> 00:24:00.470 Greg Dosmann: That was that was a thing, you know, back in 00:24:00.470 --> 00:24:02.070 Lisa Nichols: the nineteen seventies. 00:24:02.070 --> 00:24:06.070 Greg Dosmann: And so we went back to the the the, classroom where the 00:24:06.150 --> 00:24:08.630 Greg Dosmann: fight started, and the teacher did a wise thing. 00:24:08.630 --> 00:24:11.105 Greg Dosmann: He said, you two go up to the library. 00:24:11.105 --> 00:24:13.185 Greg Dosmann: So Marty and I had to go to the library. 00:24:13.185 --> 00:24:16.945 Greg Dosmann: And in the library, Marty looks at me and and he actually started the 00:24:16.945 --> 00:24:17.345 Greg Dosmann: fight. 00:24:17.345 --> 00:24:20.065 Greg Dosmann: And he looked at me and said, I can't say... 00:24:20.065 --> 00:24:23.985 Greg Dosmann: I can't apologize because my dad said if I apologize, it means I lost 00:24:23.985 --> 00:24:25.480 Greg Dosmann: the fight. 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:29.080 Greg Dosmann: And we were talking about that just three weekends ago, and love his dad. 00:24:29.080 --> 00:24:30.600 Greg Dosmann: His dad's ninety six. 00:24:30.600 --> 00:24:31.960 Greg Dosmann: Love, love, love his dad. 00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:35.960 Greg Dosmann: But we both said, we love your dad, but what terrible advice. 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:36.680 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:38.440 Greg Dosmann: Terrible advice. 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:39.855 Greg Dosmann: But he was doing... 00:24:39.855 --> 00:24:41.855 Greg Dosmann: And I said, but at the end of the day, you know your dad 00:24:41.855 --> 00:24:42.575 Greg Dosmann: loves you. 00:24:42.575 --> 00:24:43.215 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:24:43.215 --> 00:24:46.255 Greg Dosmann: And and that's, you know, that's the best we can do, I think, in 00:24:46.255 --> 00:24:47.135 Greg Dosmann: many, many

instances. 00:24:47.135 --> 00:24:51.135 Greg Dosmann: And the other thing I point out to people, I had this conversation with 00:24:51.215 --> 00:24:52.975 Greg Dosmann: Jim Daley from Focus on the Family. 00:24:52.975 --> 00:24:56.810 Greg Dosmann: I said, you know, we all think we're gonna raise these perfect God fearing, 00:24:56.810 --> 00:24:57.930 Greg Dosmann: Jesus loving children. 00:24:57.930 --> 00:25:00.490 Greg Dosmann: And I go, well, look at God's first two children. 00:25:00.490 --> 00:25:01.130 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:25:01.130 --> 00:25:02.090 Greg Dosmann: How'd that turn out? 00:25:02.090 --> 00:25:04.250 Greg Dosmann: And how about his first two grandsons? 00:25:04.250 --> 00:25:04.730 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:25:04.730 --> 00:25:05.050 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:25:05.050 --> 00:25:06.010 Greg Dosmann: One killed the other. 00:25:06.010 --> 00:25:06.210 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:25:06.170 --> 00:25:10.055 Greg Dosmann: So, I mean, what what makes us think we're gonna we're gonna reach perfection 00:25:10.055 --> 00:25:10.935 Greg Dosmann: in our parenthood? 00:25:10.935 --> 00:25:14.375 Greg Dosmann: You know, again, the love is gonna be the key, and and my hope 00:25:14.375 --> 00:25:17.975 Greg Dosmann: is my kids, and my son in law's and grandkids at the end of 00:25:17.975 --> 00:25:21.415 Greg Dosmann: the day will recognize my faults, I'm sure. 00:25:21.415 --> 00:25:23.050 Greg Dosmann: But I hope they know I love them. 00:25:23.050 --> 00:25:24.730 Greg Dosmann: And always always 00:25:24.730 --> 00:25:24.970 Lisa Nichols: will. 00:25:24.970 --> 00:25:26.170 Lisa Nichols: That's so good. 00:25:26.170 --> 00:25:28.010 Lisa Nichols: Well, Greg, we need to take a quick break. 00:25:28.010 --> 00:25:29.610 Lisa Nichols: I got lots more questions, though. 00:25:29.610 --> 00:25:30.250 Lisa Nichols: Alright. 00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:33.770 Lisa Nichols: We're gonna take a quick break, and we'll be right back with our dear 00:25:33.770 --> 00:25:37.275 Lisa Nichols: friend, Greg Dosman, on the Something Extra podcast. 00:25:37.275 --> 00:25:41.275 AD: In business, the tendency is to seek out partners who are bigger, faster, 00:25:41.435 --> 00:25:41.995 AD: stronger. 00:25:41.995 --> 00:25:45.995 AD: When it comes to IT, you should be looking for smarter, faster, better. 00:25:46.235 --> 00:25:50.235 AD: That's just what you'll find with the talented technologists at Technology Partners. 00:25:50.315 --> 00:25:54.315 AD: Our experts develop custom solutions to tackle your most complex challenges, 00:25:54.690 --> 00:25:58.690 AD: all to simplify your processes in the smartest, most efficient way possible. 00:25:58.850 --> 00:26:01.410 AD: The time to be swift and nimble starts now. 00:26:01.410 --> 00:26:05.410 AD: Go to technology partners dot net slash solutions and see what's possible. 00:26:07.015 --> 00:26:11.015 Lisa Nichols: Welcome back, everyone, to the Something Extra podcast with Greg Dozeman. 00:26:11.015 --> 00:26:14.535 Lisa Nichols: This has been so much fun for me so far. 00:26:14.535 --> 00:26:16.375 Lisa Nichols: I hope it has been for you, Greg. 00:26:16.375 --> 00:26:20.375 Lisa Nichols: But in your book, there is a line because I've 00:26:20.455 --> 00:26:24.455 Lisa Nichols: had the the privilege of reading your manuscript, that really 00:26:24.710 --> 00:26:25.190 Lisa Nichols: grabbed me. 00:26:25.190 --> 00:26:27.030 Lisa Nichols: And it said, the wound heals. 00:26:27.030 --> 00:26:29.270 Lisa Nichols: The scar remains. 00:26:29.270 --> 00:26:30.710 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:26:30.710 --> 00:26:33.190 Lisa Nichols: So what does that mean to you personally? 00:26:33.190 --> 00:26:36.995 Lisa Nichols: I know that you and and Sharon have been so blessed. 00:26:36.995 --> 00:26:38.435 Lisa Nichols: You have had mountaintops. 00:26:38.435 --> 00:26:41.555 Lisa Nichols: You have had been given more than you could ask or imagine, but you 00:26:41.555 --> 00:26:44.195 Lisa Nichols: guys have gone through some valleys too, Greg. 00:26:44.195 --> 00:26:44.515 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:26:44.515 --> 00:26:46.675 Greg Dosmann: So And and it's so wise of you. 00:26:46.675 --> 00:26:50.035 Greg Dosmann: And I'm so pleased that you pulled that line out because that was a 00:26:50.035 --> 00:26:52.610 Greg Dosmann: very, very personal line, 00:26:52.610 --> 00:26:54.210 Greg Dosmann: for me individually. 00:26:54.210 --> 00:26:58.210 Greg Dosmann: You probably know or might remember, we actually lost 00:26:58.210 --> 00:27:00.210 Greg Dosmann: our first child at birth. 00:27:00.210 --> 00:27:01.250 Lisa Nichols: I do remember. 00:27:01.250 --> 00:27:03.570 Greg Dosmann: And it was a 00:27:03.570 --> 00:27:07.570 Greg Dosmann: horrific, traumatic experience that candidly shouldn't 00:27:07.615 --> 00:27:09.135 Greg Dosmann: have happened. 00:27:09.135 --> 00:27:13.135 Greg Dosmann: You know, we ended up with a nine pound one ounce baby girl, 00:27:13.775 --> 00:27:17.775 Greg Dosmann: that just never took a breath, because candidly, 00:27:18.190 --> 00:27:22.190 Greg Dosmann: some would suggest the physician should have done something sooner, 00:27:22.270 --> 00:27:23.310 Greg Dosmann: etcetera. 00:27:23.310 --> 00:27:24.510 Greg Dosmann: And the baby was... 00:27:24.510 --> 00:27:28.510 Greg Dosmann: You know, her hand got twisted around the umbilical cord and lost blood and 00:27:28.510 --> 00:27:30.455 Greg Dosmann: oxygen supply, etcetera. 00:27:30.455 --> 00:27:32.375 Greg Dosmann: And we had this perfect... 00:27:32.375 --> 00:27:36.375 Greg Dosmann: Literally perfect child in every way except she never breathe. 00:27:36.455 --> 00:27:38.215 Greg Dosmann: And, 00:27:38.215 --> 00:27:42.215 Greg Dosmann: that's that's an experience that I've said is that, you know, when 00:27:42.295 --> 00:27:46.110 Greg Dosmann: you go through an experience like that, 00:27:46.110 --> 00:27:47.870 Greg Dosmann: you 00:27:47.870 --> 00:27:49.550 Greg Dosmann: you can't...

00:27:49.550 --> 00:27:52.750 Greg Dosmann: For us, both of us, I remember one day, a few days after it 00:27:52.750 --> 00:27:56.750 Greg Dosmann: all, I said to Sharon, I said, 00:27:56.910 --> 00:27:58.745 Greg Dosmann: I don't know how to pray. 00:27:58.745 --> 00:28:00.505 Greg Dosmann: And she said, either do I. 00:28:00.505 --> 00:28:02.905 Greg Dosmann: And we actually talked to our pastor at the time about... 00:28:02.905 --> 00:28:04.825 Greg Dosmann: And he said, that's okay. 00:28:04.825 --> 00:28:06.025 Greg Dosmann: You know, God knows. 00:28:06.025 --> 00:28:06.825 Greg Dosmann: That's okay. 00:28:06.825 --> 00:28:07.065 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:28:07.065 --> 00:28:07.865 Greg Dosmann: And it's just that... 00:28:07.865 --> 00:28:09.385 Greg Dosmann: And it wasn't anger. 00:28:09.385 --> 00:28:10.185 Greg Dosmann: It wasn't... 00:28:10.185 --> 00:28:12.985 Greg Dosmann: It was just an emptiness, you know, of of... 00:28:12.985 --> 00:28:14.850 Greg Dosmann: And I remember, 00:28:14.850 --> 00:28:17.490 Greg Dosmann: I think I was twenty eight years old, and I can remember the v... 00:28:17.490 --> 00:28:21.490 Greg Dosmann: I was in a Chevy Tahoe, driving, like, 00:28:21.570 --> 00:28:25.570 Greg Dosmann: the day after to the cemetery to pick out a cemetery plot. 00:28:26.130 --> 00:28:30.055 Greg Dosmann: And I remember saying out loud, I was like, god, you're not supposed to 00:28:30.055 --> 00:28:31.495 Greg Dosmann: do this at twenty eight. 00:28:31.495 --> 00:28:32.215 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:28:32.215 --> 00:28:33.015 Greg Dosmann: I don't get it. 00:28:33.015 --> 00:28:33.255 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:28:33.255 --> 00:28:33.735 Greg Dosmann: It just... 00:28:33.735 --> 00:28:33.975 Greg Dosmann: It... 00:28:33.975 --> 00:28:35.655 Greg Dosmann: I don't I don't understand. 00:28:35.655 --> 00:28:36.055 Greg Dosmann: But the... 00:28:36.055 --> 00:28:40.055 Greg Dosmann: So the point of it all is that that puts a deep, deep scar 00:28:40.855 --> 00:28:43.400 Greg Dosmann: on a person's heart, 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:47.400 Greg Dosmann: But by God's grace, the wound heals, 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.400 Greg Dosmann: the scar remains, you know, because it's marked us, it's marked me, 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.440 Greg Dosmann: but some scars are beautiful, you know, because of what they mean. 00:28:57.195 --> 00:29:01.195 Greg Dosmann: And, you know, so that's that's why I wanted to 00:29:01.195 --> 00:29:02.875 Greg Dosmann: to put that message in there. 00:29:02.875 --> 00:29:06.875 Greg Dosmann: And and and the other piece of the message is what's meant for 00:29:07.035 --> 00:29:11.035 Greg Dosmann: evil, god can and will use for good, especially 00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:13.020 Greg Dosmann: if we learn to love through it. 00:29:13.020 --> 00:29:15.900 Greg Dosmann: You know, that's the thread throughout the story. 00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:16.620 Greg Dosmann: And... 00:29:16.620 --> 00:29:20.620 Greg Dosmann: But I'm also

careful to tell people and caution people, 00:29:20.780 --> 00:29:24.315 Greg Dosmann: you don't tell people that when they're in the middle of it. 00:29:24.315 --> 00:29:28.315 Greg Dosmann: Because when you're in the middle of that crush, 00:29:28.395 --> 00:29:32.395 Greg Dosmann: you can't connect the dots to see how god can use this for good. 00:29:32.475 --> 00:29:32.675 Greg Dosmann: You... 00:29:32.635 --> 00:29:36.635 Greg Dosmann: Your mind isn't able to do that or your heart or your emotions. 00:29:37.195 --> 00:29:41.195 Greg Dosmann: However, we look back ten, twenty, thirty, it's thirty 00:29:41.330 --> 00:29:45.330 Greg Dosmann: plus years now since that happened, and we can connect dots 00:29:45.330 --> 00:29:49.330 Greg Dosmann: and say, that was terrible, that was awful, we have the scar. 00:29:50.050 --> 00:29:54.050 Greg Dosmann: However, God has worked in and through that for good, 00:29:54.185 --> 00:29:57.945 Greg Dosmann: and that's one of the prime messages of the story I want people to 00:29:57.945 --> 00:30:00.825 Greg Dosmann: get is we live in a broken world. 00:30:00.825 --> 00:30:04.825 Greg Dosmann: We're gonna have trauma, trials, tragedies, awful, 00:30:04.825 --> 00:30:07.050 Greg Dosmann: awful things that are real. 00:30:07.050 --> 00:30:11.050 Greg Dosmann: However, god can and will work in those 00:30:11.050 --> 00:30:13.050 Greg Dosmann: if we continue to love through it. 00:30:13.050 --> 00:30:17.050 Greg Dosmann: And and most times, we're able to look back and connect the 00:30:17.050 --> 00:30:19.755 Greg Dosmann: dots and say, wow. 00:30:19.755 --> 00:30:23.595 Greg Dosmann: And so that's why that piece of the story that I'm so pleased that 00:30:23.595 --> 00:30:27.115 Greg Dosmann: that jumped out to you because that's that's that's what I would hope would 00:30:27.115 --> 00:30:27.675 Greg Dosmann: have happened. 00:30:27.675 --> 00:30:29.435 Greg Dosmann: Thank you for bringing that up. 00:30:29.435 --> 00:30:30.635 Lisa Nichols: Absolutely. 00:30:30.635 --> 00:30:31.435 Lisa Nichols: Absolutely. 00:30:31.435 --> 00:30:35.435 Lisa Nichols: Well, and I just know, personally, I know that you and Sharon have gone 00:30:35.510 --> 00:30:38.470 Lisa Nichols: on to help other people that have found themselves. 00:30:38.470 --> 00:30:41.750 Lisa Nichols: We have a a mutual friend that lost a baby. 00:30:41.750 --> 00:30:42.310 Lisa Nichols: Same thing. 00:30:42.310 --> 00:30:42.870 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:30:42.870 --> 00:30:44.950 Lisa Nichols: Sharon was able to minister to her. 00:30:44.950 --> 00:30:45.430 Lisa Nichols: Amen. 00:30:45.430 --> 00:30:49.005 Lisa Nichols: And, you know, I mean, if you've never been through that, if you've never 00:30:49.005 --> 00:30:52.045 Lisa Nichols: walked through that, you can certainly feel sympathy 00:30:52.045 --> 00:30:52.445 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:30:52.445 --> 00:30:55.405 Lisa Nichols: For that person, but you don't understand. 00:30:55.405 --> 00:30:55.885 Lisa

Nichols: No. 00:30:55.885 --> 00:30:57.885 Lisa Nichols: And you guys understand Yes. 00:30:57.885 --> 00:30:58.405 Lisa Nichols: What that's like. 00:30:58.405 --> 00:31:00.445 Lisa Nichols: I know you've been able to help other people. 00:31:00.445 --> 00:31:00.685 Greg Dosmann: Well... 00:31:00.685 --> 00:31:03.700 Greg Dosmann: And and, Lisa, I think of you all and Ally. 00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:07.700 Greg Dosmann: I mean, I'm sure when you were told, oh, there's this issue 00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:10.180 Greg Dosmann: with your child, it seems so traumatic. 00:31:10.180 --> 00:31:12.980 Greg Dosmann: But I know he... 00:31:12.980 --> 00:31:16.660 Greg Dosmann: There's no way you would trade that for the biggest pile of gold on 00:31:16.660 --> 00:31:17.415 Greg Dosmann: earth because... 00:31:17.415 --> 00:31:21.015 Greg Dosmann: But at the time, you're trying to struggle with it like, oh, and you 00:31:21.015 --> 00:31:22.375 Greg Dosmann: can't connect the dots. 00:31:22.375 --> 00:31:26.295 Greg Dosmann: But now you go back and you look at how god's used her. 00:31:26.295 --> 00:31:28.775 Greg Dosmann: I mean, it's it's unbelievable. 00:31:28.775 --> 00:31:30.350 Lisa Nichols: It is unbelievable. 00:31:30.350 --> 00:31:30.750 Greg Dosmann: Here we are. 00:31:30.750 --> 00:31:33.150 Greg Dosmann: We're doing a podcast because of it. 00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:34.350 Lisa Nichols: You know. 00:31:34.350 --> 00:31:35.310 Lisa Nichols: Exactly. 00:31:35.310 --> 00:31:36.350 Lisa Nichols: Exactly. 00:31:36.350 --> 00:31:37.870 Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness. 00:31:37.870 --> 00:31:40.590 Lisa Nichols: Well, 00:31:40.590 --> 00:31:42.830 Lisa Nichols: you know, what do you hope happens? 00:31:42.830 --> 00:31:44.190 Lisa Nichols: And I don't know if you want to... 00:31:44.190 --> 00:31:46.455 Lisa Nichols: I don't wanna give it away. 00:31:46.455 --> 00:31:47.495 Lisa Nichols: I don't wanna give it away. 00:31:47.495 --> 00:31:49.175 Lisa Nichols: The the character is Seth. 00:31:49.175 --> 00:31:49.575 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:31:49.575 --> 00:31:52.215 Lisa Nichols: The little boy is Seth. 00:31:52.215 --> 00:31:56.135 Lisa Nichols: Do you do you wanna just, like, touch on what... 00:31:56.135 --> 00:31:57.975 Lisa Nichols: You know, just a little bit of the through line. 00:31:57.975 --> 00:31:59.095 Lisa Nichols: I don't wanna give it away. 00:31:59.095 --> 00:32:00.890 Greg Dosmann: But you mean the tragedy? 00:32:00.890 --> 00:32:01.450 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:01.770 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:32:01.770 --> 00:32:01.970 Greg Dosmann: I... 00:32:01.930 --> 00:32:02.490 Greg Dosmann: What do you think? 00:32:02.490 --> 00:32:02.730 Greg Dosmann: I... 00:32:02.730 --> 00:32:04.890 Greg Dosmann: I'm happy to do so if you think. 00:32:04.890 --> 00:32:05.290 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:32:05.290 --> 00:32:06.730 Lisa Nichols: I just just... 00:32:06.730 --> 00:32:08.410 Lisa Nichols: Readers go get the book. 00:32:08.410 --> 00:32:09.770 Lisa Nichols: That's that's what I'm just gonna 00:32:09.770 --> 00:32:10.170 Greg Dosmann: tell you. 00:32:10.170 --> 00:32:10.570 Greg Dosmann: Okay. 00:32:10.570 --> 00:32:11.450 Lisa Nichols: Go get the book. 00:32:11.450 --> 00:32:13.450 Lisa Nichols: But let me ask you this, Greg. 00:32:13.450 --> 00:32:17.175 Lisa Nichols: What do you hope happens inside the reader when they finish the book? 00:32:17.175 --> 00:32:17.495 Greg Dosmann: Well 00:32:17.495 --> 00:32:21.415 Lisa Nichols: because I know you wrote the book so it can impact someone. 00:32:21.415 --> 00:32:21.895 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:32:21.895 --> 00:32:22.215 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:32:22.215 --> 00:32:23.415 Greg Dosmann: You know, that that reader. 00:32:23.415 --> 00:32:27.015 Greg Dosmann: Again, the words written and spoken engage and inspire. 00:32:27.015 --> 00:32:27.415 Greg Dosmann: It's... 00:32:27.415 --> 00:32:30.215 Greg Dosmann: You're so good because you're literally just going right... 00:32:30.215 --> 00:32:32.680 Greg Dosmann: Jotted some notes down and you're going right down. 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.680 Greg Dosmann: So one of my dear, dear friends who, wanted to read it, and I 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:37.160 Greg Dosmann: said, okay. 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:38.760 Greg Dosmann: So I gave him the manuscript. 00:32:38.760 --> 00:32:42.760 Greg Dosmann: He sent me the most wonderful email, and here's what he jotted 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:44.965 Greg Dosmann: down and sent me in this email. 00:32:44.965 --> 00:32:45.685 Greg Dosmann: And I thought... 00:32:45.685 --> 00:32:46.885 Greg Dosmann: I literally said when I got... 00:32:46.885 --> 00:32:49.925 Greg Dosmann: I said, man, if anyone asks me this question, I'm just gonna read John's 00:32:49.925 --> 00:32:51.205 Greg Dosmann: responses. 00:32:51.205 --> 00:32:52.965 Greg Dosmann: He said, this is what he got. 00:32:52.965 --> 00:32:56.430 Greg Dosmann: This is what the the highlights he took. 00:32:56.430 --> 00:32:58.990 Greg Dosmann: Truth is found in God's holy word. 00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:02.990 Greg Dosmann: A kingdom beyond this world is achieved by pursuing the truth. 00:33:03.710 --> 00:33:05.070 Greg Dosmann: The kingdom is in sight. 00:33:05.070 --> 00:33:06.670 Greg Dosmann: Pursue it with all your heart. 00:33:06.670 --> 00:33:10.670 Greg Dosmann: Love bears all things, believe all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 00:33:10.830 --> 00:33:12.285 Greg Dosmann: Love never ends. 00:33:12.285 --> 00:33:12.925 Greg Dosmann: The most... 00:33:12.925 --> 00:33:16.605 Greg Dosmann: This is this is a, a personal quote for me. 00:33:16.605 --> 00:33:20.605 Greg Dosmann: The most beautiful lives are those that are marked by death, the death 00:33:20.925 --> 00:33:24.205 Greg Dosmann: of self to love others more. 00:33:24.205 --> 00:33:27.480 Greg Dosmann: There's always beauty to be seen even in sad times. 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.680 Greg Dosmann: Be foolish enough to believe and wise enough to do.

00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.720 Greg Dosmann: Emptying the cup of me, be filled with love for others is the path 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.960 Greg Dosmann: to true riches that money can't buy. 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.480 Greg Dosmann: Pouring ourselves out to love others is the end. 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.640 Greg Dosmann: It is the riches. 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:43.785 Greg Dosmann: Don't fear. 00:33:43.785 --> 00:33:45.145 Greg Dosmann: Don't let fear destroy love. 00:33:45.145 --> 00:33:46.665 Greg Dosmann: Love overcomes fear. 00:33:46.665 --> 00:33:49.465 Greg Dosmann: The foundation was more important than the man. 00:33:49.465 --> 00:33:52.585 Greg Dosmann: Those deeds that hate those deeds that are... 00:33:52.585 --> 00:33:55.260 Greg Dosmann: That hate means for evil, love can turn for good. 00:33:55.260 --> 00:33:56.460 Greg Dosmann: Oh. 00:33:56.460 --> 00:33:56.913 Greg Dosmann: So if 00:33:56.913 --> 00:33:58.460 Lisa Nichols: you That is good. 00:33:58.460 --> 00:33:58.780 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:33:58.780 --> 00:34:00.140 Greg Dosmann: That is really good. 00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:03.900 Greg Dosmann: I I was like, if no one else reads the book and Yeah. 00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:07.180 Greg Dosmann: John got that out of it, I'm like, wonderful. 00:34:07.180 --> 00:34:08.540 Greg Dosmann: Glad I did it. 00:34:08.540 --> 00:34:11.255 Lisa Nichols: I love the pouring out of self. 00:34:11.255 --> 00:34:12.535 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:34:12.535 --> 00:34:12.935 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:34:12.935 --> 00:34:14.455 Greg Dosmann: We gotta learn that every day, though. 00:34:14.455 --> 00:34:15.095 Greg Dosmann: Right? 00:34:15.095 --> 00:34:15.895 Lisa Nichols: We do. 00:34:15.895 --> 00:34:16.535 Lisa Nichols: We do. 00:34:16.535 --> 00:34:19.415 Lisa Nichols: And there's so much intentionality behind it. 00:34:19.415 --> 00:34:20.055 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:34:20.055 --> 00:34:24.055 Lisa Nichols: I told you about John Pepper, having John on the podcast, 00:34:24.190 --> 00:34:24.590 Lisa Nichols: Greg. 00:34:24.590 --> 00:34:26.350 Lisa Nichols: And at the end... 00:34:26.350 --> 00:34:27.870 Lisa Nichols: Now he's eighty eight years old now. 00:34:27.870 --> 00:34:29.390 Lisa Nichols: He's got lots of experience. 00:34:29.390 --> 00:34:29.710 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:34:29.710 --> 00:34:31.630 Lisa Nichols: I said, okay, John. 00:34:31.630 --> 00:34:34.750 Lisa Nichols: I'm gonna give you a couple of something extras. 00:34:34.750 --> 00:34:35.470 Lisa Nichols: Not just one. 00:34:35.470 --> 00:34:36.830 Lisa Nichols: I said a couple. 00:34:36.830 --> 00:34:37.150 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:34:37.150 --> 00:34:39.405 Lisa Nichols: And his first one that he said was love. 00:34:39.405 --> 00:34:40.205 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:34:40.205 --> 00:34:42.525 Lisa Nichols: You've gotta love the people that you serve. 00:34:42.525 --> 00:34:42.845 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:34:42.845 --> 00:34:46.845 Lisa Nichols: You've gotta love them, but we cannot

love 00:34:47.085 --> 00:34:50.045 Lisa Nichols: other people when we're so filled up with ourselves. 00:34:50.045 --> 00:34:52.330 Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent. 00:34:52.330 --> 00:34:52.970 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:34:52.970 --> 00:34:56.490 Lisa Nichols: I mean, if we are too self focused, I'm not gonna notice you. 00:34:56.490 --> 00:34:56.890 Lisa Nichols: No. 00:34:56.890 --> 00:34:58.650 Lisa Nichols: I'm not gonna notice when you're in pain. 00:34:58.650 --> 00:34:59.050 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:34:59.050 --> 00:35:00.650 Lisa Nichols: So I just... 00:35:00.650 --> 00:35:02.490 Lisa Nichols: I love that you just... 00:35:02.490 --> 00:35:03.850 Lisa Nichols: That's the way you describe that. 00:35:03.850 --> 00:35:07.115 Lisa Nichols: That was so beautiful. 00:35:07.115 --> 00:35:07.515 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:35:07.515 --> 00:35:10.555 Lisa Nichols: I mean, we we had talked about this, you know, where... 00:35:10.555 --> 00:35:13.355 Lisa Nichols: You know, you talked about how we often can't see what god is doing 00:35:13.355 --> 00:35:16.315 Lisa Nichols: while we're walking through something, but years later, we can look back and we 00:35:16.315 --> 00:35:18.955 Lisa Nichols: can connect the dots. 00:35:18.955 --> 00:35:19.760 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.760 Lisa Nichols: I I know Greg and I have so many stories about this 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:24.240 Lisa Nichols: too. 00:35:24.240 --> 00:35:24.560 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:35:24.560 --> 00:35:28.000 Lisa Nichols: But, Greg, when did you first realize that? 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.400 Greg Dosmann: Wow. 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:31.680 Greg Dosmann: No one's ever asked me that. 00:35:31.680 --> 00:35:33.280 Greg Dosmann: Lisa, that's a powerful question. 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.865 Greg Dosmann: When did I first realize that? 00:35:35.865 --> 00:35:39.865 Greg Dosmann: I don't know that there was one moment of epiphany 00:35:40.665 --> 00:35:42.105 Greg Dosmann: that, oh my goodness. 00:35:42.105 --> 00:35:44.825 Greg Dosmann: I think it's been gradual. 00:35:44.825 --> 00:35:45.545 Greg Dosmann: Simple. 00:35:45.545 --> 00:35:45.865 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:35:45.865 --> 00:35:49.865 Greg Dosmann: And and progressive in that I've learned it more and more even so to 00:35:49.945 --> 00:35:50.425 Greg Dosmann: this... 00:35:50.425 --> 00:35:52.640 Greg Dosmann: To the point 00:35:52.640 --> 00:35:56.640 Greg Dosmann: where I no longer feel this need or compulsion 00:35:57.120 --> 00:36:01.120 Greg Dosmann: to see it because I believe it so firmly now 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.280 Greg Dosmann: in my heart that, you know, there's things I pray for today, 00:36:06.515 --> 00:36:10.515 Greg Dosmann: especially around my family that I hope I get to see, but 00:36:11.075 --> 00:36:12.035 Greg Dosmann: it doesn't change. 00:36:12.035 --> 00:36:15.555 Greg Dosmann: If I don't get to see it, I don't care because 00:36:15.555 --> 00:36:16.755 Lisa Nichols: It doesn't change your faith. 00:36:16.755 --> 00:36:19.950 Greg Dosmann: It doesn't change my faith and Yeah. 00:36:19.950 --> 00:36:22.750 Greg Dosmann: You know you know, in fact, it's getting back to kids again. 00:36:22.750 --> 00:36:26.750 Greg Dosmann: I remember, again, chatting with Jim Daley from Focus, and I said, 00:36:26.990 --> 00:36:30.590 Greg Dosmann: you know, the verse that so is quoted, you know, raise up a child 00:36:30.590 --> 00:36:31.630 Greg Dosmann: in a way they should go. 00:36:31.630 --> 00:36:35.630 Greg Dosmann: And I and I point out, it says, when they are old, which 00:36:35.935 --> 00:36:38.335 Greg Dosmann: means I may not be here. 00:36:38.335 --> 00:36:39.135 Lisa Nichols: Right. 00:36:39.135 --> 00:36:40.655 Lisa Nichols: When they are That's a great point. 00:36:40.655 --> 00:36:42.255 Lisa Nichols: When they're old, they want to part. 00:36:42.255 --> 00:36:42.575 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:36:42.575 --> 00:36:44.415 Lisa Nichols: But, I mean, it doesn't say how old. 00:36:44.415 --> 00:36:44.815 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:36:44.815 --> 00:36:46.895 Greg Dosmann: So they could be, you know, they could be eight years old. 00:36:46.895 --> 00:36:48.260 Greg Dosmann: I'm gone, long gone. 00:36:48.260 --> 00:36:49.860 Greg Dosmann: But it doesn't change my prayer. 00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:53.860 Greg Dosmann: It doesn't change my heart because, you know, I'm I'm so grateful, 00:36:54.020 --> 00:36:57.940 Greg Dosmann: frankly, to to get to this point where I'm like, okay. 00:36:57.940 --> 00:37:00.900 Greg Dosmann: I don't have to see it, but I know the dots are being connected. 00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:04.900 Greg Dosmann: And, again, I wanna be careful to mention, it doesn't diminish the 00:37:05.015 --> 00:37:05.575 Greg Dosmann: evil. 00:37:05.575 --> 00:37:09.575 Greg Dosmann: It doesn't diminish the tragedy or the the 00:37:09.735 --> 00:37:11.255 Greg Dosmann: trauma that someone goes through. 00:37:11.255 --> 00:37:12.295 Greg Dosmann: That's real. 00:37:12.295 --> 00:37:14.135 Greg Dosmann: You know, it's not to diminish it. 00:37:14.135 --> 00:37:15.680 Greg Dosmann: It's just to say it... 00:37:15.680 --> 00:37:19.680 Greg Dosmann: It's acknowledging the evil, acknowledging the tragedy, the trauma 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.920 Greg Dosmann: that we are in a broken world, but, you know, faith, hope, and love, 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:25.680 Greg Dosmann: you know, to get through it. 00:37:25.680 --> 00:37:26.000 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:30.000 Greg Dosmann: And then then, hopefully, God's blessing and gift is that 00:37:30.085 --> 00:37:33.285 Greg Dosmann: you do get to connect the dots on some of these things. 00:37:33.285 --> 00:37:36.965 Greg Dosmann: But, hopefully, it creates that faith in you that you don't have to see 00:37:36.965 --> 00:37:39.445 Greg Dosmann: the dots connecting as you continue to move. 00:37:39.445 --> 00:37:43.170 Greg Dosmann: Because I know there's more trauma, trial,

tribulation I'm gonna face. 00:37:43.170 --> 00:37:44.530 Greg Dosmann: You know, I'm sixty three. 00:37:44.530 --> 00:37:45.170 Greg Dosmann: You know? 00:37:45.170 --> 00:37:49.010 Greg Dosmann: If God gives me another fifteen or twenty or whatever years, there's gonna be 00:37:49.010 --> 00:37:49.890 Greg Dosmann: more of that. 00:37:49.890 --> 00:37:50.530 Greg Dosmann: But I'm... 00:37:50.530 --> 00:37:53.970 Greg Dosmann: You know, God willing, I'm gonna continue to be faithful knowing that he will 00:37:53.970 --> 00:37:55.715 Greg Dosmann: continue to work through this. 00:37:55.715 --> 00:37:56.515 Lisa Nichols: That's so good. 00:37:56.515 --> 00:37:57.635 Lisa Nichols: That's gold right there. 00:37:57.635 --> 00:37:59.395 Lisa Nichols: You don't have to see it to believe it. 00:37:59.395 --> 00:37:59.795 Greg Dosmann: Right. 00:37:59.795 --> 00:38:00.195 Greg Dosmann: Right. 00:38:00.195 --> 00:38:01.155 Greg Dosmann: That's what faith is. 00:38:01.155 --> 00:38:01.555 Greg Dosmann: Right? 00:38:01.555 --> 00:38:01.875 Lisa Nichols: To... 00:38:01.875 --> 00:38:02.595 Lisa Nichols: That's faith. 00:38:02.595 --> 00:38:02.835 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:38:02.835 --> 00:38:03.475 Lisa Nichols: That's faith. 00:38:03.475 --> 00:38:03.875 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:38:03.875 --> 00:38:05.875 Lisa Nichols: And we are to walk by faith, not by sight. 00:38:05.875 --> 00:38:06.275 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:38:06.275 --> 00:38:07.715 Lisa Nichols: So That's right. 00:38:07.715 --> 00:38:08.910 Lisa Nichols: So good. 00:38:08.910 --> 00:38:10.590 Lisa Nichols: Well, 00:38:10.590 --> 00:38:14.030 Lisa Nichols: I want to talk about 00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:14.990 Lisa Nichols: marriage. 00:38:14.990 --> 00:38:15.790 Greg Dosmann: Oh. 00:38:15.790 --> 00:38:19.790 Lisa Nichols: So you and Sharon, who I absolutely 00:38:20.190 --> 00:38:22.190 Lisa Nichols: one hundred percent adore. 00:38:22.190 --> 00:38:24.725 Lisa Nichols: She's a sister from another mister. 00:38:24.725 --> 00:38:25.765 Greg Dosmann: Yep. 00:38:25.765 --> 00:38:29.765 Lisa Nichols: But you've been married to Sharon since nineteen eighty eight. 00:38:29.765 --> 00:38:32.005 Lisa Nichols: I know that you guys have taught classes. 00:38:32.005 --> 00:38:33.605 Lisa Nichols: I remember you guys talking... 00:38:33.605 --> 00:38:36.405 Lisa Nichols: Teaching classes on marriage. 00:38:36.405 --> 00:38:40.405 Lisa Nichols: Greg, what is thirty eight years of marriage taught you about love 00:38:40.540 --> 00:38:43.340 Lisa Nichols: that you did not know when you said I do? 00:38:43.340 --> 00:38:43.820 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:38:43.820 --> 00:38:44.380 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:38:44.380 --> 00:38:46.860 Greg Dosmann: Well, that'll take another hour. 00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:47.420 Lisa Nichols: Okay. 00:38:47.420 --> 00:38:48.300 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:49.580 Greg Dosmann: Well, it actually... 00:38:49.580 --> 00:38:53.225 Greg Dosmann: I I literally kinda cringe and shudder

to think... 00:38:53.225 --> 00:38:57.225 Greg Dosmann: Because that was probably ten, fifteen years ago that we were teaching, 00:38:57.385 --> 00:38:59.225 Greg Dosmann: and I'm like 00:38:59.225 --> 00:39:00.585 Greg Dosmann: I'm like, what a joke. 00:39:00.585 --> 00:39:03.545 Greg Dosmann: I mean, I knew I knew... 00:39:03.545 --> 00:39:05.145 Greg Dosmann: I'm like, oh my goodness. 00:39:05.145 --> 00:39:08.185 Greg Dosmann: And and and, you know, candid, I would share, and and I've shared this 00:39:08.185 --> 00:39:09.440 Greg Dosmann: more. 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:10.400 Greg Dosmann: The last... 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:11.600 Greg Dosmann: You know, I'm sixty three. 00:39:11.600 --> 00:39:14.640 Greg Dosmann: I'm gonna say from, like, 00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:17.440 Greg Dosmann: fifty five to sixty, 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.440 Greg Dosmann: your age was was the biggest challenge in our marriage, to 00:39:21.615 --> 00:39:24.015 Greg Dosmann: be to be candid and and being transparent. 00:39:24.015 --> 00:39:27.295 Greg Dosmann: In fact, I was able to speak at our alma mater's chapel, and I 00:39:27.295 --> 00:39:30.575 Greg Dosmann: shared this, you know, for the first time publicly. 00:39:30.575 --> 00:39:33.295 Greg Dosmann: So, hey, I did it in front of a thousand, so I can I 00:39:33.295 --> 00:39:35.455 Greg Dosmann: can speak it on your, podcast? 00:39:35.455 --> 00:39:35.775 Lisa Nichols: Right. 00:39:35.775 --> 00:39:36.820 Greg Dosmann: But, you know... 00:39:36.820 --> 00:39:40.820 Greg Dosmann: And, again, it it ties into the idea that, you know, I 00:39:40.820 --> 00:39:44.660 Greg Dosmann: really truly believe that you view life as a puzzle, and and faith has 00:39:44.660 --> 00:39:48.660 Greg Dosmann: to be that centerpiece of the puzzle that everything, you know, your love 00:39:48.820 --> 00:39:52.465 Greg Dosmann: for for family, your love for friends, and even your love for foes, and 00:39:52.465 --> 00:39:56.385 Greg Dosmann: then how you use your finances, your fitness, and your things you do for 00:39:56.385 --> 00:39:57.425 Greg Dosmann: fun. 00:39:57.425 --> 00:40:00.785 Greg Dosmann: Applying truth to all that really does provide freedom. 00:40:00.785 --> 00:40:01.105 Lisa Nichols: Mhmm. 00:40:01.105 --> 00:40:05.105 Greg Dosmann: But me being me, I like to get my financial 00:40:05.190 --> 00:40:06.150 Greg Dosmann: plan all in order. 00:40:06.150 --> 00:40:07.430 Greg Dosmann: So set it and forget it. 00:40:07.430 --> 00:40:07.910 Greg Dosmann: It's done. 00:40:07.910 --> 00:40:09.670 Greg Dosmann: I like to, you know, I'm gonna do this. 00:40:09.670 --> 00:40:10.470 Greg Dosmann: I'm gonna do that. 00:40:10.470 --> 00:40:14.470 Greg Dosmann: But what I've learned is that the the puzzle of life with 00:40:14.470 --> 00:40:16.815 Greg Dosmann: faith at the centerpiece, 00:40:16.815 --> 00:40:19.375 Greg Dosmann: you have to pull the puzzle pieces back in the box at the end 00:40:19.375 --> 00:40:20.575 Greg Dosmann: of every day. 00:40:20.575 --> 00:40:23.855 Greg Dosmann: And then the next day, you you pile them out and you go, okay. 00:40:23.855 --> 00:40:25.695 Greg Dosmann: Which is gonna be the centerpiece? 00:40:25.695 --> 00:40:29.695 Greg Dosmann: And I think I I share that to say that, you 00:40:29.860 --> 00:40:33.780 Greg Dosmann: know, as we plan for retirement, you know, I had this plan going back 00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:37.780 Greg Dosmann: to, you know, you know, shocker, ten years before retirement, I had a plan. 00:40:38.420 --> 00:40:42.125 Greg Dosmann: And I shared with Sharon the plan was gonna be, you know, we're gonna 00:40:42.125 --> 00:40:44.365 Greg Dosmann: spend January through April in Florida. 00:40:44.365 --> 00:40:46.845 Greg Dosmann: We're gonna spend May and June in Saint Louis. 00:40:46.845 --> 00:40:50.605 Greg Dosmann: We're gonna go to Michigan July through Labor Day, and then back to Saint 00:40:50.605 --> 00:40:54.605 Greg Dosmann: Louis through the holidays, and then like the shampoo bottle, rinse and repeat. 00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:58.920 Greg Dosmann: And I can be passionate and persuasive in, 00:40:59.080 --> 00:41:00.360 Greg Dosmann: ideas like that. 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.520 Greg Dosmann: And, Sharon was like, okay. 00:41:02.520 --> 00:41:02.760 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:03.160 Greg Dosmann: Alright. 00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:04.840 Greg Dosmann: That sounds good. 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.480 Greg Dosmann: And as soon as she said that's good, I'm like, hey. 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:08.600 Greg Dosmann: I got the green light. 00:41:08.600 --> 00:41:09.160 Greg Dosmann: We're gone. 00:41:09.160 --> 00:41:13.160 Greg Dosmann: So as you know, you know, purchased a property, build a magnificent beach 00:41:13.175 --> 00:41:17.175 Greg Dosmann: house in Florida, did all this, and it all and it all started 00:41:17.495 --> 00:41:19.335 Greg Dosmann: to crumble, 00:41:19.335 --> 00:41:23.335 Greg Dosmann: two thousand eighteen ish when we took possession of the house because Sharon was 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:24.840 Greg Dosmann: starting to get cold feet. 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:25.560 Greg Dosmann: Like Yeah. 00:41:25.560 --> 00:41:26.280 Greg Dosmann: Oh, I... 00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.880 Greg Dosmann: Oh, we're gonna have some grandbabies. 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:28.080 Greg Dosmann: Some... 00:41:28.040 --> 00:41:30.120 Greg Dosmann: I don't know if I wanna be a Florida resident. 00:41:30.120 --> 00:41:32.520 Greg Dosmann: I don't know, you know, all this stuff. 00:41:32.520 --> 00:41:35.425 Greg Dosmann: And, you know, 00:41:35.425 --> 00:41:39.025 Greg Dosmann: forgive me for my crassness, but it's the best way I can say it. 00:41:39.025 --> 00:41:43.025 Greg Dosmann: I was an ass because it was like, hey. 00:41:43.185 --> 00:41:43.425 Lisa Nichols: No. 00:41:43.425 --> 00:41:44.465 Lisa Nichols: This was my plan. 00:41:44.465 --> 00:41:44.865 Greg Dosmann: This is... 00:41:44.865 -->

00:41:48.305 Greg Dosmann: And you agreed to it as if she didn't have the right to change 00:41:48.305 --> 00:41:49.770 Greg Dosmann: her her mind. 00:41:49.770 --> 00:41:51.290 Greg Dosmann: And so, you know... 00:41:51.290 --> 00:41:54.890 Greg Dosmann: And and I remember saying before we took possession of the house, well, I'd 00:41:54.890 --> 00:41:58.330 Greg Dosmann: rather sell it right now, than never spend a night in it because I 00:41:58.330 --> 00:42:00.090 Greg Dosmann: know it's gonna be spectacular. 00:42:00.090 --> 00:42:02.170 Greg Dosmann: And she was wise enough to say, no. 00:42:02.170 --> 00:42:06.170 Greg Dosmann: She wasn't gonna let me do that because then I would've held that against 00:42:07.095 --> 00:42:07.295 Greg Dosmann: her forever. 00:42:07.278 --> 00:42:07.478 Greg Dosmann: Mhmm. 00:42:07.369 --> 00:42:08.855 Greg Dosmann: So we had to process through this. 00:42:08.855 --> 00:42:12.855 Greg Dosmann: And what I've said, and that's really where some of that, 00:42:12.935 --> 00:42:16.215 Greg Dosmann: the most beautiful lives are marked by death, death itself. 00:42:16.215 --> 00:42:16.775 Greg Dosmann: I say... 00:42:16.775 --> 00:42:20.775 Greg Dosmann: And I even said from the stage, to my alma mater student body, 00:42:21.450 --> 00:42:24.010 Greg Dosmann: I said, you know, to the men and the the young men in the 00:42:24.010 --> 00:42:26.970 Greg Dosmann: crowd, I said, you know, we as men like to say, I'd give my 00:42:26.970 --> 00:42:28.410 Greg Dosmann: life for my wife, you know, or... 00:42:28.410 --> 00:42:30.890 Greg Dosmann: And I said, you know, you haven't even met her yet, and you're making 00:42:30.890 --> 00:42:31.530 Greg Dosmann: that statement. 00:42:31.530 --> 00:42:32.570 Greg Dosmann: Right? 00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:33.145 Lisa Nichols: Right. 00:42:33.145 --> 00:42:34.185 Greg Dosmann: And I said... 00:42:34.185 --> 00:42:35.785 Greg Dosmann: But I said, that's just... 00:42:35.785 --> 00:42:39.145 Greg Dosmann: That's one zero one freshman level manhood. 00:42:39.145 --> 00:42:39.785 Greg Dosmann: I mean... 00:42:39.785 --> 00:42:43.225 Greg Dosmann: And I said to the ladies, if a guy won't do that, run. 00:42:43.225 --> 00:42:46.585 Greg Dosmann: But you gotta make sure a guy would literally physically give his life for 00:42:46.585 --> 00:42:46.905 Greg Dosmann: you. 00:42:46.905 --> 00:42:47.225 Lisa Nichols: Right. 00:42:47.225 --> 00:42:49.610 Greg Dosmann: But Sharon never doubted that. 00:42:49.610 --> 00:42:52.330 Greg Dosmann: You know you know, if if the guy came up with a gun or 00:42:52.330 --> 00:42:53.610 Greg Dosmann: a knife, would I take the bullet? 00:42:53.610 --> 00:42:53.930 Greg Dosmann: Would I... 00:42:53.930 --> 00:42:54.330 Lisa Nichols: Oh. 00:42:54.330 --> 00:42:54.970 Lisa Nichols: Absolutely. 00:42:54.970 --> 00:42:55.370 Lisa Nichols: Absolutely. 00:42:55.370 --> 00:42:56.250 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:42:56.250 --> 00:42:59.785 Greg Dosmann: But was I willing to

die to self in all the little ways? 00:42:59.785 --> 00:43:03.305 Lisa Nichols: In all your ambition and all your plans and plans and 00:43:03.305 --> 00:43:04.105 Greg Dosmann: all that. 00:43:04.105 --> 00:43:04.425 Greg Dosmann: Right. 00:43:04.425 --> 00:43:08.425 Greg Dosmann: And, it really hit me at a young couple's wedding we attended, 00:43:09.065 --> 00:43:11.065 Greg Dosmann: and they were saying their vows. 00:43:11.065 --> 00:43:13.670 Greg Dosmann: You know, I vow and, you know, I pledge. 00:43:13.670 --> 00:43:17.350 Greg Dosmann: And then it was almost like God said, unless she doesn't go along with 00:43:17.350 --> 00:43:19.270 Greg Dosmann: your retirement plan. 00:43:19.270 --> 00:43:20.950 Greg Dosmann: And, it was like 00:43:20.950 --> 00:43:21.510 Lisa Nichols: Wow. 00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:22.390 Greg Dosmann: Convicting. 00:43:22.390 --> 00:43:25.510 Greg Dosmann: And, so I've begun to... 00:43:25.510 --> 00:43:29.510 Greg Dosmann: And that's all part of the, you know, decoupling of of 00:43:29.555 --> 00:43:29.955 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:43:29.955 --> 00:43:31.875 Greg Dosmann: Our lives of where the plan was. 00:43:31.875 --> 00:43:34.995 Greg Dosmann: And the plan now really is connected together. 00:43:34.995 --> 00:43:36.835 Greg Dosmann: It's it's around the grandkids. 00:43:36.835 --> 00:43:40.755 Greg Dosmann: It's around, you know, really more of a home base in Saint Louis, you 00:43:40.755 --> 00:43:43.150 Greg Dosmann: know, and all these things. 00:43:43.150 --> 00:43:47.150 Greg Dosmann: And so God's good, but it it took some real, really tough, tough, 00:43:47.790 --> 00:43:51.790 Greg Dosmann: times, you know, to to get through that and get to this space. 00:43:51.950 --> 00:43:54.030 Lisa Nichols: Oh, that's so encouraging, Greg. 00:43:54.030 --> 00:43:55.550 Lisa Nichols: That is really so encouraging. 00:43:55.550 --> 00:43:59.550 Lisa Nichols: So I know that there's listeners out there that are like, one day, we'll 00:43:59.805 --> 00:44:03.805 Lisa Nichols: get to where we're in this place, you know, and everything's gonna be blissful. 00:44:04.205 --> 00:44:04.525 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:44:04.525 --> 00:44:06.445 Lisa Nichols: I mean, it's a process. 00:44:06.445 --> 00:44:09.165 Lisa Nichols: We are evolving Yes. 00:44:09.165 --> 00:44:10.365 Lisa Nichols: As individuals. 00:44:10.365 --> 00:44:11.005 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:44:11.005 --> 00:44:11.405 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:44:11.405 --> 00:44:12.285 Lisa Nichols: So... 00:44:12.285 --> 00:44:14.040 Lisa Nichols: But, 00:44:14.040 --> 00:44:16.840 Lisa Nichols: yeah, I love the decoupling and the... 00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.160 Lisa Nichols: I love what you said about, yeah. 00:44:19.160 --> 00:44:19.480 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.920 Lisa Nichols: I'd take a bullet, but will I die to myself on all these ambitions 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:23.480 Lisa Nichols: and plans? 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:25.480 Lisa Nichols: Because that's really what it's about. 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:25.800 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:26.000 Greg Dosmann: It 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.905 Lisa Nichols: coming together 00:44:28.905 --> 00:44:30.505 Lisa Nichols: on dreams and plans. 00:44:30.505 --> 00:44:31.145 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:44:31.145 --> 00:44:34.665 Greg Dosmann: And you quit looking at the other person to change and look to your... 00:44:34.665 --> 00:44:35.065 Greg Dosmann: You know, 00:44:35.065 --> 00:44:35.545 Lisa Nichols: so, you 00:44:35.545 --> 00:44:36.905 Greg Dosmann: know, there was 00:44:36.905 --> 00:44:37.105 Lisa Nichols: a... 00:44:36.985 --> 00:44:37.305 Lisa Nichols: You 00:44:37.305 --> 00:44:41.100 Greg Dosmann: you being a music, member FFH, the group Far From Home. 00:44:41.100 --> 00:44:41.820 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:42.220 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:44:42.220 --> 00:44:42.540 Greg Dosmann: We... 00:44:42.540 --> 00:44:46.540 Greg Dosmann: Clearing out our basement, we found one of their old CDs, and and I 00:44:46.700 --> 00:44:50.540 Greg Dosmann: kept playing the song Lord Move or Move Me. 00:44:50.540 --> 00:44:51.100 Lisa Nichols: Oh. 00:44:51.100 --> 00:44:52.060 Greg Dosmann: And That's good. 00:44:52.060 --> 00:44:53.980 Greg Dosmann: Great song, you know, and it's Yeah. 00:44:53.980 --> 00:44:55.135 Greg Dosmann: And that's so poignant. 00:44:55.135 --> 00:44:59.135 Greg Dosmann: It's like quit asking for God to change the other person, ask him 00:44:59.135 --> 00:45:00.335 Greg Dosmann: to change you. 00:45:00.335 --> 00:45:00.655 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:45:00.655 --> 00:45:04.255 Greg Dosmann: But if you ask that with a sincere heart, get ready. 00:45:04.255 --> 00:45:04.975 Lisa Nichols: He'll do it. 00:45:04.975 --> 00:45:05.175 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:45:05.135 --> 00:45:06.095 Lisa Nichols: He'll do it. 00:45:06.095 --> 00:45:06.815 Greg Dosmann: But but there... 00:45:06.815 --> 00:45:08.520 Greg Dosmann: But there's there's joy in that. 00:45:08.520 --> 00:45:08.920 Greg Dosmann: There's... 00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:09.120 Greg Dosmann: I... 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.000 Greg Dosmann: I'm way more joyful today than I definitely was in two thousand eighteen, nineteen, 00:45:13.160 --> 00:45:13.400 Greg Dosmann: or 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:13.960 Lisa Nichols: twenty. 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:14.520 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:45:14.520 --> 00:45:15.400 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.920 Lisa Nichols: I bet Sharon is too. 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:17.160 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:45:17.160 --> 00:45:17.800 Greg Dosmann: I hope so. 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:20.040 Lisa Nichols: I hope so. 00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:22.245 Lisa Nichols: Well, congratulations. 00:45:22.245 --> 00:45:25.125 Lisa Nichols: Aubrey and Nick just had your fourth grandchild. 00:45:25.125 --> 00:45:25.445 Greg Dosmann: I know. 00:45:25.445 --> 00:45:26.085 Greg Dosmann: It's amazing. 00:45:26.085 --> 00:45:26.485 Lisa Nichols: It was... 00:45:26.485 -->

00:45:28.405 Lisa Nichols: I knew it was coming, and this is so funny. 00:45:28.405 --> 00:45:31.205 Lisa Nichols: This is what I didn't tell you, Greg, before. 00:45:31.205 --> 00:45:35.205 Lisa Nichols: I I knew it was coming, and I texted Sharon 00:45:35.700 --> 00:45:38.740 Lisa Nichols: Wednesday and said, hey. 00:45:38.740 --> 00:45:40.100 Lisa Nichols: Is the baby here yet? 00:45:40.100 --> 00:45:41.540 Lisa Nichols: And she said, today. 00:45:41.540 --> 00:45:42.020 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:45:42.020 --> 00:45:42.500 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:45:42.500 --> 00:45:44.020 Lisa Nichols: And I'm like, wow. 00:45:44.020 --> 00:45:44.500 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:45:44.500 --> 00:45:45.860 Lisa Nichols: Timing is everything. 00:45:45.860 --> 00:45:49.215 Lisa Nichols: But now you have four four beautiful grandchildren. 00:45:49.215 --> 00:45:50.815 Lisa Nichols: You got two son in laws. 00:45:50.815 --> 00:45:51.295 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:45:51.295 --> 00:45:52.095 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:45:52.095 --> 00:45:55.695 Lisa Nichols: What is the legacy that you want to leave for them? 00:45:55.695 --> 00:45:56.895 Lisa Nichols: I mean, what do you... 00:45:56.895 --> 00:45:57.455 Lisa Nichols: I mean, you're... 00:45:57.455 --> 00:45:59.375 Lisa Nichols: You've definitely have a legacy professionally. 00:45:59.375 --> 00:46:03.375 Lisa Nichols: I know that you've just built into so many people over the years, 00:46:04.070 --> 00:46:04.470 Lisa Nichols: Greg. 00:46:04.470 --> 00:46:06.950 Lisa Nichols: But what do you hope people say about you? 00:46:06.950 --> 00:46:07.350 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:46:07.350 --> 00:46:11.350 Greg Dosmann: Well, you know, let me just say one 00:46:11.350 --> 00:46:15.110 Greg Dosmann: thing I've realized, and and Sharon's been gracious. 00:46:15.110 --> 00:46:19.110 Greg Dosmann: I have such a higher appreciation for motherhood as a 00:46:19.235 --> 00:46:21.315 Greg Dosmann: grandfather than I ever did as a father. 00:46:21.315 --> 00:46:24.435 Greg Dosmann: And and I wish that weren't true, but it is true. 00:46:24.435 --> 00:46:25.555 Greg Dosmann: And she's been gracious. 00:46:25.555 --> 00:46:26.515 Greg Dosmann: She said, well, you know why? 00:46:26.515 --> 00:46:28.195 Greg Dosmann: You were working ten, twelve hours a day. 00:46:28.195 --> 00:46:30.275 Greg Dosmann: When you came home, you were exhausted. 00:46:30.275 --> 00:46:30.915 Greg Dosmann: And... 00:46:30.915 --> 00:46:34.915 Greg Dosmann: But when I see what you women do to even 00:46:35.030 --> 00:46:39.030 Greg Dosmann: bring a child into this world, and then the sacrifices you 00:46:39.030 --> 00:46:42.070 Greg Dosmann: made, I've said to my buddies, I said, if God would have made it 00:46:42.070 --> 00:46:45.990 Greg Dosmann: that we didn't know which sex was gonna get pregnant, I said, the Earth's 00:46:45.990 --> 00:46:49.990 Greg Dosmann: population would be twenty five percent of what it is today. 00:46:50.365 --> 00:46:52.285 Greg Dosmann: And my my

buddies say, yeah. 00:46:52.285 --> 00:46:54.045 Greg Dosmann: We'd all be only children. 00:46:54.045 --> 00:46:54.285 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:46:54.285 --> 00:46:56.205 Greg Dosmann: They would be like, I'm never doing that again. 00:46:56.205 --> 00:46:59.485 Greg Dosmann: And then I see my daughters doing this, and I'm just... 00:46:59.485 --> 00:47:00.845 Greg Dosmann: I'm in awe. 00:47:00.845 --> 00:47:02.925 Greg Dosmann: I'm just in awe of what they do. 00:47:02.925 --> 00:47:04.930 Greg Dosmann: And so, 00:47:04.930 --> 00:47:06.850 Greg Dosmann: for a legacy, 00:47:06.850 --> 00:47:10.850 Greg Dosmann: really, it gets back to that line that... 00:47:11.330 --> 00:47:11.890 Greg Dosmann: Two things. 00:47:11.890 --> 00:47:15.890 Greg Dosmann: I said, one, I hope they would say, you know, dad 00:47:15.890 --> 00:47:18.905 Greg Dosmann: lived a beautiful life because he died to self. 00:47:18.905 --> 00:47:21.545 Greg Dosmann: And I think I've still got a lot of work to do to have 00:47:21.545 --> 00:47:22.105 Greg Dosmann: that happen. 00:47:22.105 --> 00:47:26.105 Greg Dosmann: I wouldn't expect them to say that today, candidly. 00:47:26.345 --> 00:47:30.345 Greg Dosmann: And so that would be, you know, one piece of the puzzle. 00:47:30.425 --> 00:47:34.425 Greg Dosmann: The the second legacy, I would hope that when I go, 00:47:35.190 --> 00:47:39.190 Greg Dosmann: they literally say he had zero fear of death. 00:47:39.350 --> 00:47:43.350 Greg Dosmann: He he just had no fear, because he knew he was 00:47:43.430 --> 00:47:45.765 Greg Dosmann: crossing over from death to life. 00:47:45.765 --> 00:47:47.845 Greg Dosmann: So I guess that would be 00:47:47.845 --> 00:47:48.485 Lisa Nichols: Aw. 00:47:48.485 --> 00:47:49.205 Lisa Nichols: That's beautiful. 00:47:49.205 --> 00:47:51.125 Greg Dosmann: Two two hopeful legacies, I would hope. 00:47:51.125 --> 00:47:51.685 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:47:51.685 --> 00:47:52.245 Lisa Nichols: Beautiful. 00:47:52.245 --> 00:47:52.885 Lisa Nichols: Beautiful. 00:47:52.885 --> 00:47:56.165 Lisa Nichols: Well, Greg, this is called something extra. 00:47:56.165 --> 00:48:00.165 Lisa Nichols: What do you believe is a something extra that every leader needs? 00:48:04.900 --> 00:48:07.540 Greg Dosmann: Be willing to die to self. 00:48:07.540 --> 00:48:08.580 Greg Dosmann: That... 00:48:08.580 --> 00:48:12.580 Greg Dosmann: You know, a leader that really is truly willing to die 00:48:12.580 --> 00:48:13.985 Greg Dosmann: to self. 00:48:13.985 --> 00:48:17.945 Greg Dosmann: And we got the greatest example of that ever with Jesus Christ. 00:48:17.945 --> 00:48:18.945 Greg Dosmann: Yes. 00:48:18.945 --> 00:48:21.505 Greg Dosmann: That's the real deal. 00:48:21.505 --> 00:48:22.305 Lisa Nichols: That's beautiful. 00:48:22.305 --> 00:48:23.265 Greg Dosmann: That's it. 00:48:23.265 --> 00:48:24.865 Lisa Nichols: I've never had anybody say that. 00:48:24.865 --> 00:48:28.865 Lisa Nichols: I've had people say self sacrifice, sacrifice, but dying to self. 00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:30.880 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:31.200 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:48:31.200 --> 00:48:35.200 Lisa Nichols: And because we are here to serve our people, whether that's 00:48:35.200 --> 00:48:37.840 Lisa Nichols: our family or whether that's our people with... 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:38.800 Lisa Nichols: That we work with. 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:39.120 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:48:39.120 --> 00:48:39.440 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:40.720 Lisa Nichols: So dying to self. 00:48:40.720 --> 00:48:41.600 Lisa Nichols: I love it. 00:48:41.600 --> 00:48:44.125 Lisa Nichols: Well, my friend, this has been so much fun. 00:48:44.125 --> 00:48:47.885 Lisa Nichols: Thank you so much for making the time to be on the show. 00:48:47.885 --> 00:48:51.885 Lisa Nichols: And I just, I just want our listeners to to go out and get 00:48:51.965 --> 00:48:55.965 Lisa Nichols: the book and be watching for his second book because he's got a second 00:48:56.045 --> 00:48:58.045 Lisa Nichols: book in him that he's been working on. 00:48:58.045 --> 00:49:02.045 Lisa Nichols: So it's gonna be just fun to watch how God uses, 00:49:02.820 --> 00:49:05.220 Lisa Nichols: this second half Yes. 00:49:05.220 --> 00:49:05.620 Greg Dosmann: Or the 00:49:05.620 --> 00:49:07.460 Lisa Nichols: last quarter or whatever you got left. 00:49:07.460 --> 00:49:08.260 Greg Dosmann: Whatever I got left. 00:49:08.260 --> 00:49:08.500 Greg Dosmann: We'll 00:49:08.500 --> 00:49:08.820 Lisa Nichols: see. 00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:10.020 Lisa Nichols: Whatever you got left. 00:49:10.020 --> 00:49:10.500 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:11.620 Lisa Nichols: So thank you, my friend. 00:49:11.620 --> 00:49:12.020 Lisa Nichols: No. 00:49:12.020 --> 00:49:12.260 Lisa Nichols: Thank you. 00:49:12.260 --> 00:49:13.060 Lisa Nichols: Sticking in with you. 00:49:13.060 --> 00:49:13.300 Greg Dosmann: Yeah. 00:49:13.300 --> 00:49:13.905 Greg Dosmann: God bless. 00:49:13.905 --> 00:49:14.385 Greg Dosmann: What an honor. 00:49:14.385 --> 00:49:15.185 Greg Dosmann: What a privilege. 00:49:15.185 --> 00:49:19.185 Greg Dosmann: You would have guessed we'd got to do this when, Aubrey and and, 00:49:19.265 --> 00:49:21.905 Greg Dosmann: Paige said ketchup and and both named Greg. 00:49:21.905 --> 00:49:23.505 Greg Dosmann: You know, here we are. 00:49:23.505 --> 00:49:24.065 Lisa Nichols: Exactly. 00:49:24.065 --> 00:49:25.505 Lisa Nichols: And here we are. 00:49:25.505 --> 00:49:25.905 Lisa Nichols: Alright. 00:49:25.905 --> 00:49:27.185 Lisa Nichols: Have a great rest of the day. 00:49:27.185 --> 00:49:27.505 Greg Dosmann: Alright. 00:49:27.505 --> 00:49:28.640 Greg Dosmann: God bless. 00:49:28.640 --> 00:49:32.640 Announcer: Something extra with Lisa Nichols is a Technology Partners production. 00:49:32.720 --> 00:49:35.760 Announcer: Copyright Technology Partners Inc twenty nineteen. 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.760 Announcer: To learn more about this week's guest, check out the show notes at tpi 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.000 Announcer: dot co slash podcast. 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.285 Announcer: If you enjoyed this episode, consider leaving us a review. 00:49:45.285 --> 00:49:47.285 Announcer: Thank you for listening to Something Extra.