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I'm Roberta Glass, and you're listening to my True Crime Report.
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Today we're talking about Lindsey Clancy and what was a
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long and very contentious hearing between the defense and the
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prosecution team, all having to do with this juror, This
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one holdout juror. So if you don't know, if you've
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been living under a rock, Lindsay Clancy murdered her children
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on January 24th, 2023 in Duxbury, Massachusetts. She sent her husband, Patrick,
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out for dinner to fetch dinner and medicine for her daughter. Cora,
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age five. And then she went and she strangled each
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of her kids. Starting with Dawson, age three. And Cora,
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age five. And of course, Callan, who was eight months old.
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Then she found a very dull knife. And she made
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superficial wounds to her neck and wrist before sliding out
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the second story window of her Duxbury, Massachusetts home. I
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don't think she anticipated the hard January ground and she
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injured herself and she is now still in a wheelchair.
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So the, when it came to trial, uh, 11 jurors
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and this was Lindsay Clancy's defense that she had a
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one time never to be heard or heard of again
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psychotic voice so she had postpartum psychosis for one time
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only and she is she feels that she is not
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guilty that's her by reason of insanity And 11 jurors
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bought it, and one juror held out. And they've been litigating,
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saying that they should not retry her and that it
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would be double jeopardy. They retried her again because this
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juror claims the defense with very little evidence that this
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juror didn't follow the law, even though he was voir dire,
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as all of the jurors were, meaning he was questioned
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by the judge at the time. And he said, I'm
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following the law. And what we saw from the interviews
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with the jurors, it was like these were pink-shirted. One
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was a Karen Reid supporter. These were like pink-shirted Lindsay
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Clancy supporters. So if you don't know, Lindsay Clancy supporters
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have taken on Karen Reid's John O'Keefe's killer's color, pink.
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So let's get into this hearing. We saw some lawyers
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that we've never seen before. One is Heather O'Connor, who's
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representing the holdout Juror Doe. His name has been released.
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He's given interviews, but I'm going to just call him
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Juror Doe. And Laura McConnell. So this is the million dollars,
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I would think, that's been raised for Lindsay Clancy. She's
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already gone into her being represented by.
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Attorney Weinberger, who represented Jeffrey Epstein and Karen Reed, and
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now Laura McConnell. So this Kevin Reddington is, of course,
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Lindsay Clancy's most fearsome defender. It's her defense lawyer, a
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real innocence fraudster. He starts out by outing this juror
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yet again. Take a listen.
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Well, here we are.
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Round two.
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You know, we all like to think that in this country,
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when someone is charged with a crime, they're entitled to
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a fair trial. We like to think that you're entitled
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to a Fair jury. We like to think that you're
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entitled to fair application of the law. We don't want
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to pretend that a judge is the guy hiding behind
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the curtain like in The Wizard of Oz. We want
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to have fairness is what we want. And this young
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lady came into this courtroom back in July, and we
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picked a jury.
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This young lady. This young lady who happens to admit
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that she murdered her three children. Cora, age five, Dawson,
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age three, and Callan, age eight months. This young lady.
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He also said she's like a daughter to him after
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the mistrial was declared on the courthouse.
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And the jury sat for about seven weeks. And they
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deliberated for about a week. And when you have jurors
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You expect that the jurors are going to be honest
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in their disclosure to the court of their background. You
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expect that the jurors are going to disclose any issues
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that may compromise their ability, if you
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will, to be
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fair and impartial to a young woman like this who
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presented evidence.
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To a young woman. We want them to be fair
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and impartial to this young woman. What he's really saying
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is that she's vulnerable. Look, she's in a wheelchair. She's vulnerable.
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She's a young woman. Clearly, send her to a mental
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hospital till the state gives up with fighting to keep
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her in. And Massachusetts, which is very defendant friendly, just
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lets her out.
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To this court that she was a person that was
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suffering from significant mental disease, significant defect consistent with the
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instructions that the court gave as it relates to lack
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of criminal responsibility. And this young woman put herself on
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her country, which country as we say they are, and
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expect that that jury is gonna pass between the Commonwealth
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and the defendant and they're gonna be fair in their
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evaluation of the evidence. You don't bring your background into
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a jury room and suppress it, as was done in
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this case. This gentleman, Mr. Duransville. I'm going to stop
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you right there. No, you're not going to stop me.
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Well, no, I am.
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No, you're not.
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All right, then this hearing's, you know, because there's no
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need to bring out that juror's name.
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It's all over the Internet.
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That's through the Internet. That's through other people. There's no
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need here in this courtroom.
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Did you see? So this judge is a former defense attorney.
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And what came out in this hearing is that he's
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set to retire. Now, Kevin Reddington, this judge cannot be
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any more defendant-friendly. And if you don't know me, I
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prefer to class. I talk about innocence fraud and true
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crime from a victim's rights perspective. So someone like this
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judge is not going to be my favorite. He's making
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rulings that are extremely defendant-friendly through the entire trial. He
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failed to take the phones away from the jurors, which
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I think is a real mistake. I mean, I'll agree
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with Kevin Reddington about the holdout juror, but it goes
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for the rest of the jurors, too. They all had
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their phones back there. And in a high-profile trial like that,
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that is just reckless. But here, Kevin Reddington, he says,
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you're not going to go into it. And he goes, yes,
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I am. So Kevin Reddington feels that he has more
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power than the judge. And then the judge says, well,
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we're not going to have this hearing then. But he
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sort of, listen to it again. He kind of half
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commits to it. It's not a full committal. Like, we're
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going to close down the hearing right now if you're
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going to just go after this juror one more time.
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Put him in a dangerous position one more time. Kevin
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Reddington is the innocence fraud lawyer of the year. I
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don't know who is putting out more innocence fraud nonsense,
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trying to, and what I mean by that is he's
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trying to Win this case because he can't win it
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in court with the facts. He's trying to win this
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case in the in the court of public opinion. So
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the outside brings pressure on the inside, meaning our court system.
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And we saw it work with Karen Reed. And they're
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trying to prejudice the jury, a future jury pool. And
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the prosecution has still not said whether they're going to
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retry this case or not. So, At the end of
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this hearing, there's a very good argument, and I think
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it shows the prosecution's hand as to what they're really
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worried about. Shanann Buckingham was nowhere in this hearing, too,
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by the way, and just attorney Jennifer Sprague, who Shanann
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Buckingham was the other prosecutor in the Lindsay Clancy trial,
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and now Jennifer Sprague is just here. just at this hearing,
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and she's the stronger of the prosecution team, but I
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don't feel that either of those lawyers have what it
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takes to really
try this case with a motive that
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makes sense, with a story that makes sense. What they
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went with at trial was that Lindsay Clancy's real motivation
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was to end it all. She just used insufficient means, strangely.
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But she used incredibly effective means to kill her kids.
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And that she had to kill her kids because she
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was such a control freak. And I do believe she
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is a control freak. But she was such a control freak,
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she didn't want anyone else raising her kids. Now you
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look at her gratitude list and her affirmations, and she's
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most grateful for when her mother comes and takes away
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the kids from her. Or when Patrick comes and takes
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away these kids that she hates. Take them away from me.
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And in her affirmations is, I love my kids. So
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anyone who has to say they love their kids, that's
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a replacement phrase for a really upsetting phrase, which is
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that she hates her kids and she hates her life.
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So I love my life. I can't believe they put
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that up on the screen, the prosecution did it during
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the trial, and they never remarked upon it. And I'm
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so curious to know if any of the jurors picked
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up on it. Because to me, it was the most
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telling as to what Lindsay Clancy was really wrestling with.
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You know, we hear all these stories from Patrick Clancy
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about how Lindsay Clancy was really suffering. Really suffering. But
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I believe if she was suffering anyways, it's because she
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hated her kids. She hated her job. She didn't want
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to go back to work. And her marriage was... had collapsed.
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I mean, why is Patrick, why is, excuse me, why
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is Patrick Clancy writing all these posts on Reddit if
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he's so involved with his kids? I mean, I only,
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I did one episode on Patrick Clancy's secret Reddit posts,
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but I didn't touch maybe three-fourths of them. What is
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going on here? Anyway, take a listen one more time.
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You don't bring your background into a
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suppress it, as was done in this case.
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His background, which is his Catholic faith. I think that's
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what they're talking about.
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So he's playing up to the pink-shirted mafia. And the
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pink-shirted mafia came to blows with the juror Do's lawyer.
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Let's take a look.
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We're not doing it.
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Well, let me go back to the beginning.
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Hold on.
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We're not doing it.
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Oh, they're a lovely bunch, aren't they? This is Edward Palczyk,
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who is one half of the team, along with Heather O'Connor,
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who represents the juror dough. we get another taste.
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We're not doing it.
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We're not doing it.
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We're not doing it.
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We're not doing it.
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We're not doing your thing.
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We're not doing it.
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We're not doing your thing. This is who we're up against.
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This is who we're up against.
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Murderer groupies, innocence fraudsters, people who will be on team criminal,
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team killer, because it's exciting for them. And And they've
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also had the advantage of Lindsay Clancy staying eerily silent,
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although she did want to speak out as an advocate
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for postpartum. She was never diagnosed with postpartum. That's where
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my eye roll comes from. But I thought this lawyer
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handled it well.
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This is who we're up against.
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And they can be much worse than that. I'll tell
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you that. But also, he gave an interview of this
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Edward Palczyk. Take a listen to Laura Conlon. She's a podcaster.
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Take a listen. And he remarks on Kevin Reddington, what
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we just saw, which was that that absolute attack once
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again in court, in court, outside of court. He said
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outside of court after the mistrial was declared, how does
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he sleep at night? Meaning how does this holdout juror
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sleep at night? This was going to be the case
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that he could, would be remembered by if he won it.
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And it ticks Kevin Reddington off that he came so close.
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He came one juror away. It's every defense lawyer's dream
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to have a guilty as sin client and bamboozle the
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court and get away with it and get the verdict
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you want. Mr.
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Paltzik, I'm going to follow up with you right now.
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What do you make of Kevin Reddington accusing the holdout
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juror of not being truthful about his arrest and only
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citing a recent arrest and not.
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That's false.
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That's not what the questionnaire bears out.
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That's false.
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That's not what happened.
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That's a lie. Where did he get this from?
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From his diseased mind? What? From his diseased mind? Which
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I think is a fascinating phrase considering the whole... crux
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of lindsey clancy's defense is that she has a diseased
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mind he's like lindsey clancy may not have a diseased
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mind but her lawyer sure does i don't think it's
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that his mind is diseased he just is team criminal
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all the way he loves to see people get over
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that's his you know he's a defense lawyer and an
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innocence fraudster through and through And he's out to propagandize
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the public and get what he wants, even if he
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has to bully the judge. The judge is just rolling over,
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as you saw. I don't know.
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I really don't know, but I can tell you what
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the truth is.
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By the way, you guys saw Michael's interviews, right?
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You saw his interview with Kayleigh. You saw his interview
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with Ray Marcel. What did Michael say on those interviews?
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He said, I had no doubt.
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He said, I followed the law.
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I followed the law.
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What I'm concerned about now is I'm concerned that nobody's
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going to want to
be a juror.
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I don't know.
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Would you want to be a juror after this?
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The implications of this are... Who would want to be
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a juror on a high-profile trial like this unless you
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were a Lindsay Clancy supporter? Unless you wanted to get
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Lindsay Clancy off?
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Really far reaching it.
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And.
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in the Karen Reed second trial because they had intentionally
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gone out. And we know that Kevin Reddington watched with
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great interest and enthusiasm Karen Reed's pretrial innocence fraud campaign.
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And he was representing a... Kevin Reddington represented a witness
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in that case named Jennifer McCabe. While Kevin Reddington was
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representing Jennifer McCabe, McCabe he reached out to the person
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that Jennifer McCabe said was harassing her Aiden Turtle Boy
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Carney and wrote him that he was doing a great
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job showing Karen Reed's quote-unquote innocence lol and he wished
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that Aiden Carney worked for his law firm, and he
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could propagandize the public. And he could basically, essentially, it's
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working in an arena like the media where there are
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no rules, because you can't win in court where there
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are a lot of rules. But with what I've seen
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of Massachusetts judges, they barely hold down the law inside
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their court. We saw with Judge Canone, she was lied
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to repeatedly, repeatedly. She had to reprimand Karen Reid's lawyers
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for lying to the court or their lack of candor
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to their court, their willful, repeated misrepresentations, i.e. lies to
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the court. She reprimanded them, and then 20 minutes later,
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they were back lying to the court again with no consequences.
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So these judges are really, like, part of the defense team.
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Disturbing.
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I also would, I've said this before, I would strongly
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encourage people to reverse the situation and just think about
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it if it was 11 to 1 in favor of
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the district attorney's position.
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Right?
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What would that look like?
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Right.
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Right.
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People feel comfortable with this.
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It doesn't matter, though. This was an argument that the
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prosecution argued at this hearing. Either way, we have to
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respect this one juror. But if one juror, if it
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was 11 guilty to one not guilty, this juror would
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be the, you know, they would love that juror, of course.
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But it doesn't matter because it didn't end up that way.
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I don't think Lindsay Clancy supporters are even taking that.
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It was the state leaning on a juror. That's what
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disturbs me.
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It's really disturbing.
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It sounds like Kevin Reddington, though, is still accusing your
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client of lying, saying that he didn't.
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Of course he's accusing his client of lying. I mean,
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this is like one of the most vicious attacks on
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a juror. Lawyers have come forward and said that this
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is dangerous, what Kevin Reddington's done. We know that Attorney
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Palczak wants to issue a bar complaint. We know that
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Kevin Reddington is already facing multiple bar complaints that are
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being dealt with through the Massachusetts Bar, having to do
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with financial problems. improprieties and fraud so he's a he
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he's an outlaw he rides a motorcycle he considers himself
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an outlaw meaning he's practicing law like an outlaw that's
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my my opinion then we had a little touch of
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martin weinberger and he made the argument that that we can't,
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that this case should be, you know, considered retried. There's
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a link to his, his information concerning Epstein. And in
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Epstein's case, he went to the media. And again, so
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this is the same tactics. Magazines, he was writing letters
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for Jeffrey Epstein and just, and trying to sway the
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media in his favor and ultimately sway the court in
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his favor from the outside. Really good lawyers don't need
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to propagandize the public and poison the jury pool. Good
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lawyers can win in court. This is kind of like
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cheating to win, in my opinion. So I think Kevin
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Reddington ends up making a very, asked the prosecution, so
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it really comes down to whether the prosecution is going
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to retry this case. And here's Kevin Reddington asking for
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a trial date. Take a, take a listen.
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Yes, we do.
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No, we don't.
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All right.
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But they'd rather have me force it. So I'll make
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that decision.
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All right. Could I inquire further, Your Honor? I know
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that Mr. Cruz is sitting here, and I know your concern,
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your main concern, is picking a trial date. Could we
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find out today what Mr. Cruz's intention is?
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Why don't we get through this motion?
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Okay.
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Because then we get another motion.
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All right.
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Then we get through that motion. Then we can talk
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about where we go in regards.
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To this case.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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So he's anxious to know why, you know, when, are
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we going to retry this or not? And the prosecution,
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you know, it's been announced that they're going to retry
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the case. They're just deciding on the, that was not
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said at this hearing. They're still unsure whether they're going
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to retry this case. And if they don't retry this case,
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then it will be some kind of deal with the
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defense where they send Lindsay Clancy away to a mental
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health hospital. And they're going to have to, my understanding
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is that the prosecution would have to argue yearly to
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keep her in. And not let her out. So take
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a look. I think really what this is all about
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is whether they can get a gag order, which was
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not given in the Karen Reid case. And we saw
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the results of that. So not only do they have
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Patrick Clancy siding up because of his civil case with
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his ex-wife, baby murderer ex-wife, the murderer of his three children,
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Cora Dawson and Callan, because he wants to get as
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much money as he can in the civil case. I
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don't know if he'll really succeed in that, but okay.
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And Lindsay Clancy has her own civil case, suing all
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the providers that tried to help her that she bamboozled
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and zigzagged through and zigzagged from one provider to the
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next and didn't take the medication that she was given.
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So at the end, I thought, Really, I think the prosecution,
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if they don't get this gag order, I don't know,
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how are they going to try the case? They have
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no sympathy for the victim's family, thanks to Patrick Clancy,
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and Patrick Clancy's family have totally sided with Lindsay Clancy.
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Within days of the murder, Patrick Clancy had a ghost
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fund me started for him, which raised over a million dollars.
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And he's making statements that we should all forgive Lindsay
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Clancy because she was really sick. And she was a wonderful,
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loving mother whose kids just happened to end up dead.
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She could not say no to a voice she never
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heard before and never heard again. Give me a break. Like,
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were we all just born yesterday? I don't know. But
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here's the... And where the prosecution argues for the gag order,
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take a listen.
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Motion number 222, Cuomo's motion to preclude prejudicial statements. And
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so what I'm going to do is I'll hear first
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from Cuomo, and then I'll hear from Attorney McConnell. Cuomo.
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Thank you, Your Honor. Counsel for the defendant has engaged
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in substantial publicity pretrial during the trial. during the trial
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and post-trial that has inevitably tainted potential future jurors with
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inflammatory statements about the prosecution of the case.
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What she's not saying is it's also with the help
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of Patrick Clancy, and he's continuing to propagandize the public
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with his 60 Minutes interview and the extended 60 Minutes interview.
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I mean, does anybody remember some of those.
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Some of the things that he was saying in that
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60 Minutes interview? One second, I'll bring it, I'll bring in.
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It can happen to anyone. I've met, I've met so,
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I've met with so many other victims, people who, people
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who had the disease and fathers who had become victim
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to the disease and lost children. So he's claiming, what
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disease did they... He was asked about postpartum psychosis and
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postpartum depression. He's now claiming that fathers can have postpartum
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depression and psychosis there. I mean, just wild stuff.
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So.
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it's, you know, they've treated Patrick Clancy very gently, but
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I think that's something that they need to talk about
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for trial too. How, you know, are they going to,
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are they going to go a little harder on Patrick
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Clancy and ask him some tough questions or any questions
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at all that are at all? Like the second question
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is like, what father did you meet? What father, what's,
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baby murdering father did you hang out with and why
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and how many are you going to prisons how are
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you meeting these people how did you seek out women
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who killed their kids and what did they tell you
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spoiler alert I'm sure they all said it was really
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sick I heard a voice yeah it was the voice
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Patrick Clancy it was the voice.
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The facts of the case, the evidence presented, evidence not
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presented at trial, and jury deliberations. Restraints on further extrajudicial
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statements are necessary in this case to protect the integrity
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and fairness of the judicial system. In Gentile v. State
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Bar of Nevada, the limitations granted in that case were
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aimed at comments likely to influence the actual outcome of
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the trial and comments likely to prejudice the jury veneer.
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And that's what we're asking for here because both sides
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have a right to a fair and impartial trial. What
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we saw at times during the course of this trial
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and after were statements calculated to affect the public perception
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of this case. Statements targeted at the juror where defense
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counsel said that the other jurors were robbed by that
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holdout juror, that he hopes that person could sleep well
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at night.
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Right.
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He said he was robbed. What did he say? Who
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was robbed? Let's hear that one more time. I keep
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saying Patrick Reddington. Kevin Reddington's comments. I really see Patrick
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and Kevin Reddington as part of Lindsey Clancy's defense team, obviously.
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What is that phrase? From the heart, the mind talks?
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I don't know.
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From the mind, the heart. I don't know.
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Targeted at the jerk? where defense counsel said that the
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other jurors were robbed by that holdout juror, that he
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hopes that person could sleep well at night. Statements personalizing
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the relationship he has with the defendant, saying that she's
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like a daughter to him. Statements asking for a presidential pardon,
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even though that's not possible. Statements asking for the president.
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Right. So Kevin Reddington asked for, in an interview, he
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asked for a presidential pardon. Okay, spoiler alert to everyone.
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The president only has jurisdiction over federal, federal court system.
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This is a state trial. Kevin Reddington knows this. If
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I know this, Kevin Reddington knows this. And you can
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hear the disgust that Attorney Sprague has when she mentions this.
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when she mentions Kevin Reddington's post-trial, during-trial innocence fraud campaign.
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Right, that's what he wants his pink shirt and mafia
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to do, pressure.
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The DA crews.
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Wesley loves Oktoberfest. Nice to see you, Wesley. Wesley's an angel.
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Some AC fund cash. Wesley the dog is now an angel.
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Some AC fund cash. Summer will be here before we
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know
it. Oh, boy. For winter first. Thank you, Wesley.
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The Bebo show. Thank you for the jewels. Okay.
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And when asked if those that request was inappropriate his
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response was i don't.
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Care oh there's the black-eyed soulless twins they're like if
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the shining twins grew up and had dark hair.
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I mean look at those black black eyes And at
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one point, I think it's the thumbnail to this episode,
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she turns and Lindsay Clancy, the baby murderer, turns and
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looks at the prosecution team and gives the cold, psychopathic
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fish eyes to them.
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And then also statements about your honor. When asked about
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your mandatory retirement approaching, he said, I'm going to try
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to hire him and see if he'll come work for me. No,
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Sully is a great guy. He was a wonderful defense
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attorney before he became a judge. Statements like this.
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Sully. Sully. Judge Sullivan. Sully to... And Kevin Reddington says
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in this hearing, I want to try this case before you.
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I want to try it this spring. How much do
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you want to bet they've socialized outside of court? I
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want to try this case with the most defense-friendly judge
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that I can possibly get. You just saw Kevin Reddington
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just bully him. But that's what this is about. The
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prosecution says, can we shut down this innocence fraud campaign?
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Can we shut down? Can we put a gag order?
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And they go on to say, like, We never gave
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any interviews, pre-trial, during trial interviews. We did nothing. And
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look at the results, 11 to 1. They do these
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pre-trial innocence fraud campaigns and during trial innocence fraud campaigns
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because they work and because the facts are against them.
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And they have carte blanche. You know, there is punishment
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for lying to the court, perjury charges, right? and possibly
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going up in front of the bar, etc., etc., being disbarred.
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But there's no punishment for lying to a reporter or
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to a newscaster or to a podcaster or to a
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bunch of reporters on the courthouse steps. And that's where
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innocence fraud really flourishes. Because there are no rules. And
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our media will back these lawyers up and make them
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superstars every time. Be like, oh, they're incredible lawyers.
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Really?
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They were such incredible lawyers. They wouldn't have to. Have
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to have a have a. Innocence fraud campaign. They'd be
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lawyering in court.
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Calculated to affect the jury's perception of the case. and
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the fairness of the system, fairness of the judge presiding
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over the case, and they're just inappropriate. Because as stated
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in ReCobb, quote, if judicial system is to operate fairly, rationally,
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and impartially as it must, and if the administration of
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justice is to proceed in an orderly manner, judges and
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attorneys alike must act with responsibility towards those principles.
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The other thing that is said in this, that Kevin
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Reddington says in this hearing, is that Lindsay Clancy is
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very involved, very involved in her defense. So they switched
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defense tactics from saying Lindsay Clancy did it, she was sick,
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to now, who said she did it? We're not saying,
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she never confessed. Prove it. And I would think that
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that was a decision made both by Lindsay Clancy and
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Kevin Reddington together. Maybe Patrick Clancy. They're using the public
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to get ideas. And Karen Reid did this. She crowd-served ideas.
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And used them.
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Now, The defense attorney arguing this motion says that our
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concerns are speculative because we don't have a new trial
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date yet and argues that things like a change of
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venue or sequestration or limits on what the parties can
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say later on in the course of the case would
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remedy our concerns. But the public isn't going to just
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ignore prejudicial and inflammatory and inappropriate statements just because we
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don't have a date on the docket yet. And a
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lot of the remedies that are proposed, if these statements continue,
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won't work. A change of venue. Where do we go?
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What county, what state, what country do we go that
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hasn't seen this trial, hasn't heard about this trial, hasn't
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heard or seen the defense counsel's comments? Sequestration doesn't change
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what is heard up to that point. Limits to these
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statements should be imposed. And I know the argument might be, well,
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it's already out there, so what's the harm? The harm
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is the continuation of it. If it stops now, then
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it can recede into the background and we can move
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forward and hopefully find a jury at some point if
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that's the route we go to hear this case in
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an impartial and fair manner without all of this extraneous influence.
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The other concern of Attorney McConnell is that the Commonwealth
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and defense counsel are subject to different rules in our
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proposed order. The prosecution is already subject to a different rule,
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Rule 3.8, governing prosecutors, which is much more strict than
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Rule 3.6. And up to this point and going forward,
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we have not violated those rules. We have not made
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any extrajudicial statements that are inflammatory about this case. Attorney
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Buckingham and I have said nothing but no comment in
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this case. You can impose those same restrictions on us
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if you want to. We have no objection to that
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because I am not looking for 15 minutes of fame
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in this case.
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There's a mistake. It's not Kevin Reddington's enjoying his fame.
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Don't get me wrong. But he enjoys the grift. I
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believe this is my view. More than he enjoys the fame.
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The fame is just like the icing. The cake is
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the grift. So I'm going to keep it short today.
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I'm going to be back very soon. Very soon. And
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we're going to talk about some of these civil cases
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that they have going. Difference between Patrick clancy's civil case
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and lindsey clancy's civil case and the possible effects on
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what could happen with the criminal case the civil case
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is going could they use some of these depositions if
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they are taking depositions in the civil case in the
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criminal case stay tuned i think that this is one
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of the more fascinating stories um Obviously, it's my interest,
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innocence fraud. But let's see what happens. I'm not entirely
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sure that she's going to be retried. How do you
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retry a case with everything against you? You have the
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victim's family against you. You have a huge innocence fraud campaign.
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You have the media against you. I mean, Lindsay Clancy
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is in the driver's seat. So that's what I have
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for today. Please hit the like, subscribe to the channel. Venmo,
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buy me a coffee, Patreon, all great ways to support
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the channel. Linked in this and every episode's description. Thanks
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so much for listening. I will see you back here
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at six tomorrow.
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Mic check, Roberta strides through the static haze. True crime, Gotham,
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where the shadows play their plays.
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Frauds unfold when.
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A spotlight beams. Fact-focused queen busting propaganda schemes. Glass shatter lies,
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echoes through the streets. Standing for victims, giving voice their beats.
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NYC polls, truth sharp as night. Roberta exposing, she's the
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anti-fraud light.
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Thank you.
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Hard task warrior, dissecting state and defense Twisted innocence, claims
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breaking pretense Gotham's truth seeker, cuts clean with the blade
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Facts in the forefront, no justice gets swayed Cold facts
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drip heavy, real talk unfurls Cracking cases open like oysters
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with pearls Innocence gimmicks crumble to dust in the wind
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For victims of creed, justice till the end Headphones blazing,
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she drops heavy artillery. Narratives twisted, neat blunt objects civility.
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Roberta got receipts that unravel the ploy. Exposing the lies
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these fraudsters deploy. Glass shatters lies, echoes through the streets.
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Standing for victims, giving voice their beats.
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NYC polls, truth sharp as night. Roberta exposing, she's the
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anti-fraud light.
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Thank you.