Bản chép lời đầy đủ của Outwitting the Devil | Episode #508 | Encore Edition #8

of 36 00:02:42.210 --> 00:02:45.909 a book called One Season of Hope. And it's written 37 00:02:45.930 --> 00:02:51.129 by Jim Stovall. And Jim Stovall is an absolutely phenomenal person. 38 00:02:52.949 --> 00:02:59.110 He's lifetime blind. And he's written books, and he's done 39 00:02:59.169 --> 00:03:02.150 so many things. And if you want to be motivated, 40 00:03:02.189 --> 00:03:04.810 get a hold of One Season of Hope by Jim Stovall. 41 00:03:05.330 --> 00:03:10.090 And also, I was talking last week about Don Green's book, 42 00:03:10.550 --> 00:03:13.710 Everything I Know About Success I Learned from Napoleon Hill. 43 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:17.659 I got a copy of that right away, and I've 44 00:03:17.689 --> 00:03:23.569 been reading it, and Don is an incredible communicator. I 45 00:03:23.629 --> 00:03:26.849 love the style that he writes in, and I recommend 46 00:03:26.889 --> 00:03:31.030 that book highly. Okay, so let me tell you what 47 00:03:31.069 --> 00:03:35.719 today's show is going to be. I'm at the Norfolk YMCA, 48 00:03:36.219 --> 00:03:39.000 and I play racquetball about four days a week, and 49 00:03:39.020 --> 00:03:42.639 I'm in the locker room, and this young man, he 50 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.759 overhears my conversation, and And he introduces himself to me. 51 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:52.020 And today we're going to have a conversation with Johnny Thomas. 52 00:03:52.740 --> 00:03:58.340 And Johnny is 25 years old. And he's like the 53 00:03:58.379 --> 00:04:00.740 rest of us. He's trying to figure out how to 54 00:04:01.219 --> 00:04:04.919 navigate through the treacherous waters of the world that we 55 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:09.960 live in, of this life. And so Johnny is just 56 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.080 a remarkable young man. I've known him for three weeks now. 57 00:04:13.659 --> 00:04:17.149 But I think that When you hear today's show, you're 58 00:04:17.170 --> 00:04:19.970 going to understand why I got Johnny on the air. 59 00:04:20.569 --> 00:04:22.949 So it's all going to come out as we start 60 00:04:22.990 --> 00:04:23.709 to talk here. 61 00:04:24.389 --> 00:04:30.009 Johnny, are you there? Yes, Steve, I'm here. Okay, Johnny. 62 00:04:30.069 --> 00:04:33.209 Well, Johnny, one of the things that you've told me 63 00:04:33.269 --> 00:04:39.339 in our conversations is that nobody listens. And so I 64 00:04:39.379 --> 00:04:42.519 want you to know something, Johnny. You got my ear. 65 00:04:43.139 --> 00:04:46.189 I'm listening to you. And not only am I listening 66 00:04:46.209 --> 00:04:49.670 to you, I love listening to you. Because one of 67 00:04:49.709 --> 00:04:51.910 the expressions that I gave you at the Y is, 68 00:04:52.490 --> 00:04:54.930 we're all in the same boat, but it's really of 69 00:04:55.110 --> 00:04:59.579 biblical proportions. We're all in the same boat. So, Johnny, 70 00:05:00.540 --> 00:05:03.000 why don't you just take it from there and you 71 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:05.519 say anything you want to say to get this started. 72 00:05:08.220 --> 00:05:12.810 Well, I'm just like you said, 45, young dad trying 73 00:05:12.819 --> 00:05:19.259 to navigate through the waters of life but even though 74 00:05:19.300 --> 00:05:23.300 when I navigate you come with obstacles that until I 75 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:26.079 met you you kind of gave me clarity on it 76 00:05:26.180 --> 00:05:32.050 with Napoleon Hill outwitting the devil and the words that 77 00:05:32.069 --> 00:05:35.689 speak kind of open my mind up a little bit 78 00:05:35.730 --> 00:05:37.670 more and give me a boost of how you say 79 00:05:37.709 --> 00:05:41.370 morale some value start to. 80 00:05:41.290 --> 00:05:47.750 Think you know Yeah, you know, what I want to 81 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:50.899 tell you right now before it goes any further is 82 00:05:51.740 --> 00:05:57.360 when I tell Johnny that I'm getting probably more out 83 00:05:57.399 --> 00:05:59.800 of our friendship than he may be able to get 84 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:04.500 from me, that's true. I've been trying for a long, 85 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:08.500 long time with the mentoring that I try to do, 86 00:06:08.579 --> 00:06:12.519 the trying to help other people, but the program that 87 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:19.100 White Thinking Foundation has It's called a financial education program, 88 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:24.439 but it's unique. And on Jeff Heiser's show this morning 89 00:06:24.459 --> 00:06:27.110 when he gave a rundown of his one-year anniversary and 90 00:06:27.509 --> 00:06:29.730 talked about all the shows that are on his network, 91 00:06:30.209 --> 00:06:32.649 and I'm very, very proud to be part of that 92 00:06:32.730 --> 00:06:35.649 network of all these positive forces that he's got out 93 00:06:35.689 --> 00:06:39.069 there on the air. When he talked about my show, 94 00:06:39.870 --> 00:06:42.290 he said that Steve is trying to help people have 95 00:06:42.829 --> 00:06:46.220 financial freedoms. And he said a nice thing about Steve 96 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.600 knows everything about helping people have financial freedom, how to 97 00:06:49.620 --> 00:06:51.360 get them out of budget and stay out of debt 98 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.660 and things like that. And he said today's show is 99 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:58.089 going to have this 25-year-old young man on there that 100 00:06:58.250 --> 00:07:01.990 he thinks has been through my program. And let me 101 00:07:02.410 --> 00:07:07.550 clarify that. And this is what's so wonderful. My program 102 00:07:08.370 --> 00:07:13.889 is not a simple financial education program. If you go 103 00:07:13.990 --> 00:07:30.879 to the website rightthink.org, R-I-G-H-T-H, rightthink.org, R-I-G-H-T-H-I-N-K dot O-R-G, and 104 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:35.199 go to the learn more perseverance quotes, it's going to 105 00:07:35.250 --> 00:07:38.870 tell you that even though the program is a financial 106 00:07:38.970 --> 00:07:47.730

education program, it's only 25% about money. It's 75% about persevering, 107 00:07:48.410 --> 00:07:53.620 not quitting, not giving up, surrounding yourself with the right people, 108 00:07:54.129 --> 00:07:59.180 making better decisions. And there's six steps to the program. 109 00:08:00.100 --> 00:08:04.660 It starts off, the persons that you're trying to communicate with, 110 00:08:05.180 --> 00:08:07.519 they got to know you're there for them. They got 111 00:08:07.540 --> 00:08:11.189 to know you love them. Second thing is, you have 112 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:16.250 to establish trust. Without establishing trust, nobody's going to be 113 00:08:16.329 --> 00:08:19.189 able to share and learn from each other. And the 114 00:08:19.230 --> 00:08:22.509 third thing is, once you've established a certain kind of 115 00:08:23.170 --> 00:08:26.790 a trust in the relationship, perhaps the person that you're 116 00:08:26.829 --> 00:08:29.930 trying to help along will have some respect for you. 117 00:08:30.529 --> 00:08:35.210 And when they develop respect, they then might start to listen. 118 00:08:35.889 --> 00:08:38.710 And if they start listening and they can listen, make 119 00:08:38.769 --> 00:08:42.509 the decision that they have a desire to change, then 120 00:08:42.710 --> 00:08:45.590 you can provide the tools. And the tools are the 121 00:08:45.730 --> 00:08:49.429 easiest part. So the reason I went through that detail 122 00:08:49.470 --> 00:08:54.679 just now is Johnny and I have established a friendship. Johnny, 123 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:56.940 thanks for being my friend. 124 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:01.899 You too. You too, Steve. 125 00:09:03.860 --> 00:09:09.220 Johnny, I respect you because... The conversations I've been having 126 00:09:09.259 --> 00:09:13.490 with you have all been very, very good. Johnny, I 127 00:09:13.529 --> 00:09:16.570 know that maybe on the air you want me to 128 00:09:16.629 --> 00:09:19.149 ask you some leading questions, and I will, but let 129 00:09:19.190 --> 00:09:23.059 me say a couple things here, Johnny. Johnny, you're 25 130 00:09:23.059 --> 00:09:28.120 years old. Your father passed away when you were in 131 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:29.080 high school. Is that right? 132 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:32.259 Yes, that's correct. 133 00:09:33.299 --> 00:09:35.490 So which age were you in when you were dead, Johnny? 134 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.440 Would you say that a little louder, please? 135 00:09:42.740 --> 00:09:47.720 He passed away June 16, 2010. That's a little bit 136 00:09:47.740 --> 00:09:50.759 before my junior year ended. So for the rest of 137 00:09:50.779 --> 00:09:53.649 my junior year, I missed school. 138 00:09:56.590 --> 00:09:59.070 So you were in high school your junior year when 139 00:09:59.090 --> 00:10:04.679 your dad passed away. Okay. And at the time that 140 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:10.549 your dad passed away, were your parents together? No. 141 00:10:11.490 --> 00:10:14.509 No, they were separated, but I stayed with my dad, 142 00:10:14.529 --> 00:10:20.259 and I still visit my mom, so... Basically, when I 143 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.120 was veered or he was in a hospital, I was 144 00:10:24.220 --> 00:10:26.500 either with my mom or I was with my aunt. 145 00:10:29.899 --> 00:10:33.759 So, Johnny, do you have any brothers and sisters? 146 00:10:35.940 --> 00:10:37.830 Actually, I'm the oldest of four boys. 147 00:10:42.590 --> 00:10:46.110 And you've told me, Johnny, I know a little bit. 148 00:10:46.210 --> 00:10:49.610 If you want to share some more. One of your brothers, 149 00:10:50.129 --> 00:10:51.720 he died early, correct? 150 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:58.259 Yes. How about it? I think he was dead when 151 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:02.379 he was seven years old, because I was 14. Actually, 152 00:11:03.259 --> 00:11:04.940 that was my seventh grade year. 153 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.350 You have another brother that's 24 years old? 154 00:11:12.730 --> 00:11:13.029 Yeah. 155 00:11:14.470 --> 00:11:18.730 You want to tell us about your brother that's 24? 156 00:11:25.820 --> 00:11:32.710 Give me a. 157 00:11:32.330 --> 00:11:35.549 Favor, Johnny. Johnny, let me interrupt you. I'm having a 158 00:11:35.570 --> 00:11:38.169 hard time hearing you. Can you speak a whole lot louder? 159 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:41.600 Is this clear? 160 00:11:42.340 --> 00:11:43.559 Yeah, that's very good. Thanks. 161 00:11:44.659 --> 00:11:50.070 Yeah, so just the whole thing. We was the two oldest, 162 00:11:50.090 --> 00:11:53.269 so basically it was me and him. We were kind 163 00:11:53.340 --> 00:11:56.960 of like Bonnie and Clyde. So as time progressed, when 164 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:00.200 things got hectic with the parents, it kind of was 165 00:12:00.220 --> 00:12:04.440 starting to split up, but we always would still be together. 166 00:12:05.539 --> 00:12:09.259 That until when he moved to foster care. And when 167 00:12:09.299 --> 00:12:11.740 he came from foster care, when he was 16 and 168 00:12:12.700 --> 00:12:18.409 I was 17, he kind of changed numbers. And over time, progress, time, progress, 169 00:12:19.049 --> 00:12:21.250 he was out there. I tried to pull him back in, 170 00:12:21.250 --> 00:12:28.169 and he don't want to listen. So to each his own. Eventually, 171 00:12:28.190 --> 00:12:30.230 it got him to become incarcerated. 172 00:12:33.490 --> 00:12:35.950 How long has your brother been incarcerated? 173 00:12:35.970 --> 00:12:47.919 Let me think. Let me think. Probably three or four 174 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:50.120 years now. Okay. 175 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:56.000 So your brother that's closest in your age has been 176 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:00.269 incarcerated for three or four years. Okay, you got another 177 00:13:00.330 --> 00:13:03.309 brother also. I think you told me he's 21 years old. 178 00:13:03.330 --> 00:13:03.909 Is that correct? 179 00:13:05.210 --> 00:13:05.330 Yes. 180 00:13:07.009 -->

00:13:09.070 Okay, speak a little louder now. 181 00:13:09.230 --> 00:13:11.529 No, that's correct. That's correct, Steve. 182 00:13:12.450 --> 00:13:16.340 Your brother that's 21, tell me about him a little bit. 183 00:13:20.029 --> 00:13:22.779 Now, that's where I'm going to keep it real with you. 184 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:27.279 That's my rock right there. He gave me hope. He 185 00:13:27.299 --> 00:13:31.159 gave me hope. I got three beautiful nieces with him. 186 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:38.240 But over the time that was him, that's the one. Actually, 187 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:41.139 I was the first one who held him besides my mom. 188 00:13:41.179 --> 00:13:42.799 I was like the very first one who got to 189 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:47.440 hold him besides the parents. That's the one we still 190 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:51.029 stuck together through all the, losing the youngest and, uh, 191 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:53.759 all the way going to folks. Again, we were somewhat 192 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:58.759 still together over time. Our fathers made a little pact 193 00:13:58.779 --> 00:14:02.059 to try to keep the brothers together. So basically it 194 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:04.240 was kind of two of us left out of four. 195 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:09.059 So wherever we get, I'll go. I was real protective 196 00:14:09.110 --> 00:14:14.830 when it came to my brothers, you know? So. Okay. 197 00:14:15.190 --> 00:14:19.679 So, so Johnny, um, I'm having a hard time hearing you, 198 00:14:20.139 --> 00:14:23.940 but what I know is this. You got one brother 199 00:14:24.500 --> 00:14:30.059 that's 24 years old, and he's incarcerated. You got another 200 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:36.269 brother that's 21 years old, and he has three beautiful daughters, correct? 201 00:14:37.789 --> 00:14:38.950 Yes, Steve, that's correct. 202 00:14:39.889 --> 00:14:45.110 And he's got two different mothers to his children. And 203 00:14:45.379 --> 00:14:48.330 at present, he's not married to either one of the 204 00:14:48.370 --> 00:14:49.970 mothers of his children. Is that correct? 205 00:14:54.649 --> 00:14:56.330 Yeah, that's correct. 206 00:14:57.309 --> 00:15:05.769 Okay. So, Johnny, what is it that you're different, Johnny? 207 00:15:05.870 --> 00:15:09.480 You're different in a beautiful way. And when I mentioned 208 00:15:09.500 --> 00:15:12.100 the why, what I don't want to cut you off. 209 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:17.019 Your love is different? Because I'm the oldest. I'm the 210 00:15:17.100 --> 00:15:19.740 oldest out of all the grandmothers. 211 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:26.090 Louder, Johnny. Real loud. Real loud, please. 212 00:15:27.110 --> 00:15:30.470 I'm the oldest out of all the children and my 213 00:15:30.529 --> 00:15:35.029 grandmother's grandchildren. So I got the mind frame in. I 214 00:15:35.049 --> 00:15:41.649 got to try to read by example. Hello? 215 00:15:42.570 --> 00:15:52.309 I'm listening, Johnny. Okay, so you got to lead by example. Johnny,

216 00:15:52.610 --> 00:15:53.789 can you hear me okay? 217 00:15:54.950 --> 00:15:57.370 Yeah, I can hear you okay, Steve. I'm here. 218 00:15:58.029 --> 00:16:00.169 When you talk like you did just now, I hear 219 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.460 you perfectly, so keep talking at that volume. So, Johnny, 220 00:16:04.700 --> 00:16:09.840 what it is is this. You are doing the very 221 00:16:09.899 --> 00:16:13.659 best you can to try to figure out what it 222 00:16:13.820 --> 00:16:16.419 is that you're supposed to do with your life. Is 223 00:16:16.460 --> 00:16:17.039 that correct? 224 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:22.210 That is correct. Every person must have the purpose in life. 225 00:16:22.309 --> 00:16:26.990 I'm just trying to find my purpose in life. My purpose. 226 00:16:29.549 --> 00:16:34.090 And tell me what it's like out there on the streets, Johnny. 227 00:16:34.509 --> 00:16:37.960 I mean, I'm very impressed with all the things that 228 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.759 go on in your life that you've never been in 229 00:16:41.820 --> 00:16:47.720 trouble yourself. You handle yourself beautifully. You're articulate. So what's 230 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:50.639 it like out there in the world that you live in, Johnny? 231 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:51.700 What's going on out there? 232 00:16:55.070 --> 00:16:59.169 Where do I begin, Steve? Where do I begin? Well, 233 00:16:59.590 --> 00:17:03.389 the violence, the hustle and bustle, the things we've got 234 00:17:03.429 --> 00:17:07.390 to go through, the obstacles out here struggling day to day, 235 00:17:08.609 --> 00:17:12.299 wondering how we're going to get it, how it That 236 00:17:12.500 --> 00:17:16.990 is really hectic in inner city. But at the same time, 237 00:17:17.009 --> 00:17:21.529 my dad said you can't have struggle without progress. 238 00:17:24.690 --> 00:17:29.269 That's a beautiful line. You can't have struggle without progress. 239 00:17:31.509 --> 00:17:31.930 Okay. 240 00:17:32.970 --> 00:17:37.359 So, Johnny, what is it that you want to do 241 00:17:37.390 --> 00:17:40.099 with yourself right now? 242 00:17:43.670 --> 00:17:48.200 Right now, I can see myself going to school for 243 00:17:48.299 --> 00:17:53.359 software development. That always kind of got me intrigued. Like, 244 00:17:53.380 --> 00:17:58.000 when I see these apps like Facebook, iHeartRadio, and all that, 245 00:17:58.700 --> 00:18:01.200 I wonder, how do they make simple software that can 246 00:18:01.220 --> 00:18:08.109 become so big? The capabilities, the gist, the programming, the firewall, 247 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.690 and all that. I want to learn how to do that. 248 00:18:11.730 --> 00:18:14.660 That would kind of interest me, but The question was, 249 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:18.339 how do I see myself right now? That's how I 250 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.660 see myself. But like you said in the beginning of 251 00:18:20.700 --> 00:18:24.990 your show, it's a journey of a thousand miles, but 252 00:18:25.690 --> 00:18:29.309 that big step is the hardest step, and that's getting 253 00:18:29.410 --> 00:18:31.930 up and dusting your cell phones after they done pushed 254 00:18:31.950 --> 00:18:33.250 you down so many times. 255 00:18:35.750 --> 00:18:40.779 Johnny, tell me about your education. Have you been to college? 256 00:18:43.059 --> 00:18:44.680 I've been into college twice. 257 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:47.500 How far did you get? 258 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:59.720 The most, a year and a half. And then something 259 00:18:59.740 --> 00:19:00.980 just happened after a year. 260 00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:04.940 Okay, so you went to college and dropped out twice. 261 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.809 How far have you got? How many credits do you 262 00:19:08.869 --> 00:19:09.380 have right now? 263 00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:16.930 Probably like seven. Okay. 264 00:19:17.509 --> 00:19:21.089 So, Johnny, the other day I was talking to you 265 00:19:22.170 --> 00:19:24.670 and I made the comment, man, I bet you made 266 00:19:24.730 --> 00:19:27.009 good grades in high school. Do you remember what you 267 00:19:27.029 --> 00:19:27.609 said to me? 268 00:19:30.329 --> 00:19:31.730 No, what did I say, Steve? 269 00:19:32.690 --> 00:19:35.230 You said, of course. You said, of course. 270 00:19:36.349 --> 00:19:38.609 So, Johnny, Johnny, listen. 271 00:19:39.670 --> 00:19:43.380 You're into your mind And that's the reason that you 272 00:19:43.420 --> 00:19:46.589 connected with me, because you heard me talking about things 273 00:19:46.630 --> 00:19:49.930 like Napoleon Hill. And then I gave you a copy. 274 00:19:50.579 --> 00:19:55.720 of Outwitting the Devil. So what is it about Napoleon 275 00:19:55.740 --> 00:19:57.420 Hill that attracts you? 276 00:20:00.750 --> 00:20:03.990 It's kind of where we're all unique. People are not 277 00:20:04.009 --> 00:20:08.150 going to understand that thing because it's too... controversial and 278 00:20:08.190 --> 00:20:11.329 you gotta be that rare type of breed like yourself 279 00:20:11.430 --> 00:20:14.990 and I you gotta be ahead of your time and 280 00:20:15.029 --> 00:20:18.170 that book for it to be written in the 1930s 281 00:20:18.829 --> 00:20:21.970 and the 20s when all the great depression and all 282 00:20:22.009 --> 00:20:26.799 that came about it speaks about stuff today but they 283 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.099 must have figured things were gonna get worse after the 284 00:20:29.130 --> 00:20:31.059 depression go back to. 285 00:20:30.940 --> 00:20:34.039 Talking louder Johnny Johnny you gotta talk louder I can't 286 00:20:34.059 --> 00:20:35.819 hardly hear you okay talk loud. 287 00:20:37.809 --> 00:20:44.109 Oh, I thought you heard me. No. You heard me. 288 00:20:45.369 --> 00:20:48.349 Just talk real loud. I'll tell you to quiet down 289 00:20:48.390 --> 00:20:49.009 if I need to. 290 00:20:49.029 --> 00:20:50.890 But, Johnny, what I'm. 291 00:20:50.849 --> 00:20:54.130 Trying to get to, and I

know that you're almost 292 00:20:54.230 --> 00:20:58.009 ready to share it with me, is we're going to 293 00:20:58.049 --> 00:21:02.490 come back to Napoleon Hill. But, Johnny, you gave me 294 00:21:02.789 --> 00:21:05.769 one of the nicest compliments I've had in a long time. 295 00:21:06.609 --> 00:21:09.829 I gave you a copy of that book, and in 296 00:21:09.869 --> 00:21:14.089 the jacket of that book, I thanked you for honoring me, 297 00:21:14.109 --> 00:21:17.369 because I wrote in there that you were my friend, 298 00:21:17.589 --> 00:21:19.690 and you said something to me about that. I'd like 299 00:21:19.710 --> 00:21:23.329 you to talk about that serious, about who are your 300 00:21:23.369 --> 00:21:24.890 friends and who listens to you. 301 00:21:28.690 --> 00:21:29.690 Who listens to me? 302 00:21:30.269 --> 00:21:31.150 Who listens to me? 303 00:21:31.190 --> 00:21:34.210 That's the question you're asking? Yeah, yeah. 304 00:21:34.329 --> 00:21:35.759 Are people listening to you, Johnny? 305 00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:38.529 Not for real. Not for real. 306 00:21:38.549 --> 00:21:39.049 Not at all. 307 00:21:39.789 --> 00:21:43.529 They pretty much, what's the word in the urban terms 308 00:21:44.109 --> 00:21:46.529 they use today? They sleep on me. 309 00:21:46.869 --> 00:21:47.710 They doubt me. 310 00:21:49.190 --> 00:21:52.940 But Napoleon Hill says that's how the devil works. Once 311 00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:56.380 you start fearing, it turns into doubt. Then you got 312 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.519 to control who you be. But you listen to me. 313 00:22:01.220 --> 00:22:05.769 You give me a voice. And I speak up for 314 00:22:05.809 --> 00:22:09.119 myself now. I tell things how it should be, how 315 00:22:09.140 --> 00:22:14.880 it shouldn't be, and how it is. But what you 316 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:18.720 gave me here was a realized piece. Out with the devil. 317 00:22:19.819 --> 00:22:23.720 It kind of moved me in many ways because every 318 00:22:23.779 --> 00:22:27.880 time it talks, it comments, it always had its turn. Like, 319 00:22:28.940 --> 00:22:33.369 thank you. You ever pictured a predicament that was similar 320 00:22:33.430 --> 00:22:36.930 to this predicament? Yes. to tell you how to move 321 00:22:36.970 --> 00:22:39.740 through things. And I would like to say this without 322 00:22:39.779 --> 00:22:43.640 getting emotional. You are an inspiration to me. 323 00:22:46.859 --> 00:22:49.380 Johnny, I told you in the beginning of the show 324 00:22:50.019 --> 00:22:54.299 that you're more of an inspiration to me than I 325 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:57.220 probably am to you. Because the same thing that you're 326 00:22:57.269 --> 00:23:00.089 trying to tell people right now, that people don't listen 327 00:23:00.109 --> 00:23:04.809 to you, I've got something that I've moved I've got 328 00:23:04.890 --> 00:23:08.509 something that I've known for years that's different, and it 329 00:23:08.529 --> 00:23:14.549 starts with just giving of yourself to other people. You 330 00:23:14.569 --> 00:23:18.819 can't try. You can't try to expect anybody to listen 331 00:23:18.859 --> 00:23:22.700 to you unless they know you care about them. You 332 00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:28.099 and I have established that so quickly. What I'm here 333 00:23:28.140 --> 00:23:31.960 to try to do right now, Johnny, is I've established 334 00:23:32.980 --> 00:23:36.450 something that you're going through a life that's not really 335 00:23:36.589 --> 00:23:40.670 easy right now. You're 25 years old. You're exposed to 336 00:23:40.710 --> 00:23:42.990 a lot of things that are out there. And there's 337 00:23:43.009 --> 00:23:44.529 a lot more that I'm going to bring out in 338 00:23:44.569 --> 00:23:46.710 a minute about some of the things that you have 339 00:23:46.750 --> 00:23:51.490 to go through. But you just said something very, very important. 340 00:23:52.329 --> 00:23:55.049 You said that nobody's listening to you and that you 341 00:23:55.130 --> 00:23:58.769 do have a voice and that I listen to you 342 00:23:59.109 --> 00:23:59.789 and that I give. 343 00:23:59.690 --> 00:24:00.369 You that voice. 344 00:24:00.890 --> 00:24:05.200 And I do, Johnny. Johnny, You share a telephone with 345 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:09.119 your mother. Your cell phone has been misplaced or something. 346 00:24:09.259 --> 00:24:12.230 And so whenever I call you, I have to get 347 00:24:12.269 --> 00:24:14.509 your mother to get you to call me back or something. 348 00:24:14.970 --> 00:24:18.390 So I've been getting to know your mother. And what's 349 00:24:18.450 --> 00:24:25.099 very interesting here is this. Your mother is very appreciative 350 00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:29.240 that you and I have met. And she told me 351 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:32.579 that she prayed for somebody to come into your life 352 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:36.920 that you could listen to because many of the things 353 00:24:36.940 --> 00:24:40.920 that she's trying to tell you, for whatever reason, you're 354 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:44.579 not able to hear it from your mother. And so 355 00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:48.589 I know what that means. I know what that means. 356 00:24:49.470 --> 00:24:51.329 And some of the stuff that your mother's trying to 357 00:24:51.369 --> 00:24:54.329 tell you is exactly the same thing that I'm trying 358 00:24:54.369 --> 00:24:57.769 to tell you. For example, let me ask you this, Johnny. 359 00:24:58.690 --> 00:25:00.730 Are you working right now? Do you work? 360 00:25:05.369 --> 00:25:06.309 No, I do not work. 361 00:25:07.750 --> 00:25:08.190 Say again? 362 00:25:09.509 --> 00:25:12.069 No, I do not work. Okay. 363 00:25:12.349 --> 00:25:16.799 Hey, Johnny, you've got a voice, but I want you 364 00:25:16.819 --> 00:25:19.079 to shout it out from the rooftops on this phone 365 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:23.559 call because I'm still having a hard time hearing everything 366 00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:25.480 that

you're saying. You just got to get that phone 367 00:25:25.539 --> 00:25:29.619 close to you and speak really loud the whole time here. So, Johnny, 368 00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:33.289 how long? Has it been since you've worked? 369 00:25:36.670 --> 00:25:39.789 Almost a year. Okay. 370 00:25:40.789 --> 00:25:46.299 Johnny, you told me something about the problem that got 371 00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:51.039 you is the big P. The big P. Will you 372 00:25:51.099 --> 00:25:52.279 explain that, please? 373 00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:58.279 I'll explain it. No, it's not women. No, it's not pregnancy. 374 00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:04.460 It's procrastination. Over time, I started, man, I said, well, 375 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:08.519 I put off, put something off while I can do tomorrow. So, 376 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:15.549 it led to a lot of procrastination, and I got lazy, 377 00:26:15.650 --> 00:26:20.230 and man, I said, I just lost my spark. This 378 00:26:20.269 --> 00:26:26.200 happened real quickly after, pretty much after I graduated high school. 379 00:26:27.380 --> 00:26:33.009 That's when Napoleon Hill comes back into play. Schools do 380 00:26:33.049 --> 00:26:36.029 give you knowledge, but they don't give you how to 381 00:26:36.069 --> 00:26:37.099 go out there. 382 00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:37.539 And use it. 383 00:26:38.299 --> 00:26:41.299 So you're pretty much kind of, what's the term you use, 384 00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:46.799 a drifter, a person who's going on without a purpose. 385 00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:52.390 I can't do that. Oh, too much time to pass. 386 00:26:54.609 --> 00:26:56.630 Let me interrupt you for a second, Johnny. Let me 387 00:26:56.650 --> 00:27:00.009 interrupt you. I'm going to talk about Napoleon Hill's definition 388 00:27:00.069 --> 00:27:02.230 of a drifter for a minute to get everybody that's 389 00:27:02.269 --> 00:27:05.549 listening up to speed. But please do me a favor 390 00:27:06.210 --> 00:27:10.519 and just try to talk way, way louder. I apologize 391 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.059 for saying that over and over again, but I'm worried 392 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:15.000 that everybody's not going to be able to hear you 393 00:27:15.099 --> 00:27:19.480 very clearly. So just talk a lot louder. Napoleon Hill's 394 00:27:20.019 --> 00:27:23.400 definition of a drifter that describes a lot of people 395 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:29.789 is a person who is traveling fast. aimlessly through life 396 00:27:30.289 --> 00:27:32.750 without any sense of purpose. 397 00:27:33.569 --> 00:27:33.930 Okay. 398 00:27:34.170 --> 00:27:38.829 Now, Johnny, you've been to college a couple times. You 399 00:27:38.869 --> 00:27:42.029 haven't worked in a year. You live with your aunt. 400 00:27:42.789 --> 00:27:47.349 Your mother's trying to encourage you to get employed. We 401 00:27:47.369 --> 00:27:50.410 haven't talked about what you asked me that you want 402 00:27:50.450 --> 00:27:54.109 to talk about. Johnny, this will bring back some of 403 00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:56.519 the things I'm trying to describe today. so that we 404 00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:58.240 can get it on the table so that I can 405 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:04.009 maybe help you move forward. But, Johnny, talk about health care. 406 00:28:04.650 --> 00:28:10.529 Talk about the health care problem that you have. The 407 00:28:10.589 --> 00:28:11.329 fact that I. 408 00:28:11.230 --> 00:28:17.190 Don't have any health care? Yeah, I've been without health 409 00:28:17.230 --> 00:28:22.039 care for like three years now. That's the whole purpose 410 00:28:22.099 --> 00:28:24.019 because I'm trying to work so I can try to 411 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:28.400 get the health care. to get to the minor eyesight 412 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:29.440 problem that I have. 413 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.640 Can you hear me, Steve? Yeah. Go louder, though, Johnny. 414 00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:37.539 Go louder. I hear you, but I can't hear you 415 00:28:37.579 --> 00:28:38.119 very well. 416 00:28:39.829 --> 00:28:44.250 Well, I'm trying to get the health care back because 417 00:28:45.029 --> 00:28:47.150 of a little eye problem that I had. I was 418 00:28:47.170 --> 00:28:49.690 trying to get it fixed, and I found out in 419 00:28:49.690 --> 00:28:54.259 2014 that The doctor said he found a lot of 420 00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:58.930 scarring around the corneas and the retinas and around the 421 00:28:59.069 --> 00:29:02.529 eye area. So they said it was an infection. It 422 00:29:02.650 --> 00:29:05.349 came from an infection. So they said if he ever 423 00:29:05.410 --> 00:29:10.680 progressed or came back, this is one chance I could 424 00:29:10.700 --> 00:29:15.839 probably lose my eyesight permanently. Now I have this band 425 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:20.589 on my plate with this possibility that it can Me 426 00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:23.740 trying to get back health care so I can try 427 00:29:23.779 --> 00:29:27.279 to do this, and me trying to find a job. 428 00:29:27.859 --> 00:29:30.119 Now we got to try to juggle these three things 429 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:36.529 all at one time. But other than that, I try 430 00:29:36.549 --> 00:29:39.900 to keep a positive man because like you always tell 431 00:29:39.940 --> 00:29:42.240 me at the end of every talk we have as 432 00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:46.279 long as you have the Lord in your life there's 433 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.440 nothing to fear or worry about. 434 00:29:52.200 --> 00:30:00.920 Johnny you you're amazing Johnny you're amazing And what I 435 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:05.599 see in you, Johnny, is I see a very, very 436 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:11.099 good person that doesn't want to fall into all the 437 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:17.049 things that are around you. And you're looking and you're 438 00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:20.950 trying to stay away from things that are out there. Johnny, 439 00:30:22.049 --> 00:30:24.769 you said something to me about drugs all around you, 440

00:30:24.930 --> 00:30:27.710 the drugs that are all around you every day. Tell 441 00:30:27.730 --> 00:30:28.230 me about that. 442 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:37.460 These guys are like a little... The drug problem has 443 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:42.380 gotten way out of hand. Everywhere from the needles to 444 00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:48.470 the cats to people on the street. Everybody's pretty much 445 00:30:48.509 --> 00:30:54.970 like dogs out there, most of the part. That's one 446 00:30:55.029 --> 00:31:00.029 problem I try not to get into. Because if you're 447 00:31:00.049 --> 00:31:03.880 leading to other things and bad habits, eventually it's going 448 00:31:03.890 --> 00:31:06.220 to put you in jail for the rest of your life. 449 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.440 Or it's going to mess around and kill you. I've 450 00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:14.299 seen what drugs do to people. It takes a good 451 00:31:14.539 --> 00:31:17.599 person who doesn't think about it. It's not even discriminatory. 452 00:31:17.619 --> 00:31:20.599 They don't care what race you are. They got one 453 00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:23.859 thing in common. Your money and messing up your life. 454 00:31:25.329 --> 00:31:28.309 I've seen big people do nice things for themselves. 455 00:31:40.190 --> 00:31:45.250 Johnny, you're about the same age I was when Bill 456 00:31:45.490 --> 00:31:49.029 the Plant Man gave me a copy of Think and 457 00:31:49.069 --> 00:31:53.150 Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. And it just... It's been 458 00:31:53.170 --> 00:31:55.680 the most positive influence in my life for the last 459 00:31:55.680 --> 00:32:03.759 45 years. Because... Napoleon Hill is such a, he says 460 00:32:03.779 --> 00:32:08.680 it like it is. And when I gave you Outwitting 461 00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:12.099 the Devil, you've just been talking to me about that 462 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:16.500 book for the last week. And I think that what's 463 00:32:16.539 --> 00:32:20.900 going to happen here is that over the next five 464 00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:24.599 years of your life, you're probably going to get more 465 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.440 and more and more focused on and get a better 466 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.299 handle on what it is that you want to do, 467 00:32:32.099 --> 00:32:34.769 and you'll get up and get motivated, and all of 468 00:32:34.809 --> 00:32:39.109 a sudden, you're going to separate yourself from the pack, Johnny. 469 00:32:39.569 --> 00:32:43.170 You're going to be out there just giving of yourself 470 00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:47.329 to other people in a way that helps other people, 471 00:32:48.490 --> 00:32:51.069 and you know that you've got a purpose. Let me 472 00:32:51.150 --> 00:32:55.730 ask you a question, Johnny. What would you see yourself 473 00:32:55.779 --> 00:32:59.730 doing If I told you, I want you to look 474 00:33:00.190 --> 00:33:03.980 five years into the future, and if you were to 475 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:10.440 daydream and almost fantasize, and if you could be anything, 476 00:33:10.900 --> 00:33:15.789 do anything with your life in five years without having 477 00:33:15.990 --> 00:33:22.849 any obstacles stop you, no physical obstacle, no financial obstacle, nothing. 478 00:33:23.329 --> 00:33:25.599 If you could be the person that you would just 479 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:30.210 dream about being, What would you see yourself being in 480 00:33:30.250 --> 00:33:30.809 five years? 481 00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:37.779 Well, I got to be realistic with me being fantasizing 482 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:42.059 about it since you asked that hypothetical question. Five years, 483 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:48.579 let me see, two years. A bachelor's degree in software 484 00:33:48.619 --> 00:33:55.329 development and at least a nice apartment with a car 485 00:33:55.789 --> 00:33:59.490 in the next five years. Basically, me getting the ball 486 00:33:59.529 --> 00:34:02.809 rolling and me living out life. That's where I see 487 00:34:02.829 --> 00:34:04.210 myself in the next five years. 488 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.920 That's beautiful, Johnny. That's beautiful. So you want an education, 489 00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:15.440 a degree in software development, and you want an apartment, 490 00:34:15.860 --> 00:34:18.869 and you want a car, okay? That's three parts of it, okay? 491 00:34:18.989 --> 00:34:21.909 Did I say those right? Yes, sir. 492 00:34:21.969 --> 00:34:26.710 Yeah, Steve. You pretty much put the nail on the head. Okay. Okay. 493 00:34:27.550 --> 00:34:30.059 And let me ask you this, too. How about how 494 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:35.460 you sort of feel about stress and pressure in your life? 495 00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.659 Talk about that part of your life in five years, obviously, 496 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.119 if this is a dream come true where I want 497 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.039 to be in five years. Tell me what your life 498 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:48.239 would feel like. 499 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:58.059 The constant doubt, the obstacle, that's one thing. One thing, 500 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.070 like I said, I'm going to mention Napoleon Hill again because, 501 00:35:01.090 --> 00:35:04.150 like you said, I've been talking about it for a whole, like, 502 00:35:04.289 --> 00:35:07.670 the last week since you gave me the book. It 503 00:35:07.690 --> 00:35:12.710 pretty much, the book gets inside your head. I'm going 504 00:35:12.750 --> 00:35:15.070 to tell you that. The book gets inside your head. 505 00:35:16.070 --> 00:35:18.590 And when it gets inside your head, it knows how, 506 00:35:18.610 --> 00:35:22.079 because it tells you how the devil operates when he 507 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.900 interviews the devil. It talks about it. If he knocks 508 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.280 you down a couple of times, you know after a 509 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.909 while you're going to just give up and just be like, 510 00:35:30.929 --> 00:35:35.469 forget about it. And as

slowly your determination goes down, 511 00:35:36.409 --> 00:35:39.769 it takes it away and it gets control of you. 512 00:35:40.449 --> 00:35:42.809 He always used the big P word to hell, which 513 00:35:42.849 --> 00:35:49.610 was poverty. Poverty. Yeah. Being broke, no job? No. That's 514 00:35:49.650 --> 00:35:53.190 how it gets you down. It gets worse, I know, 515 00:35:53.269 --> 00:35:57.239 but at the same time, It gets, like, it kind 516 00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:02.079 of questions you, you know? Like, I know I'm not 517 00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:05.500 supposed to be in this position with the potential I have, 518 00:36:06.099 --> 00:36:09.719 but I'm in it. But, like, Napoleon Hill said, the 519 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:14.460 people that he interviewed, they were part of that 2%. 520 00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:18.679 They were the ones who were down like me and yourself. 521 00:36:18.739 --> 00:36:20.900 They were the ones starting from the bottom, working their 522 00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:26.739 way up. They also mentioned, like, perseverance. I always thought 523 00:36:26.780 --> 00:36:31.179 that was a pretty word, though, perseverance, to persevere. Yeah, 524 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.619 it means to keep striving, to keep going. Don't let 525 00:36:34.659 --> 00:36:37.360 it knock you down. Just keep gushing. 526 00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:38.619 It's going to get better. 527 00:36:39.699 --> 00:36:42.280 That's what my mom tried to teach me. Every time 528 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:43.860 I try to go out there and get a job, 529 00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.909 you don't have the experience. You don't have the experience. 530 00:36:47.630 --> 00:36:50.429 I need somewhere to start. I need a stepping stone. 531 00:36:51.110 --> 00:36:52.250 That's why I'm out there trying. 532 00:36:52.090 --> 00:36:53.030 To get a stepping stone. 533 00:36:53.090 --> 00:36:56.099 It's hard to get that stepping stone. But she always 534 00:36:56.139 --> 00:36:59.469 keeps telling me to keep faith. But it's hard, you know? 535 00:36:59.550 --> 00:37:02.429 It's like, okay, I'm going to try to keep the faith, 536 00:37:02.489 --> 00:37:06.769 but I know what I need to do. But it's 537 00:37:07.090 --> 00:37:11.400 right here. It's like somebody dangling a piece of candy 538 00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:13.860 to a baby, and they reach and try to hide 539 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.679 and get it. Eventually, they're going to start crying, and 540 00:37:16.699 --> 00:37:17.659 they don't want it no more. 541 00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:22.320 You know? Yeah, I do know. That's a pretty good 542 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:23.110 description there. 543 00:37:23.130 --> 00:37:23.269 So.... 544 00:37:25.389 --> 00:37:30.099 You're out there, and the world you live in is 545 00:37:30.139 --> 00:37:32.559 a pretty hard world with a whole lot of things 546 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.019 that are trying to grab you and pull you off 547 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:40.460 the straight and narrow. And so, Johnny, let me throw 548 00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:44.789 this at you for a minute. When you're out there, 549 00:37:45.409 --> 00:37:48.829 the last job you had, where was the last job 550 00:37:48.869 --> 00:37:49.250 you had? 551 00:37:52.309 --> 00:37:59.179 It was a recycling plant called TFC in Chesapeake. Okay. 552 00:37:59.860 --> 00:38:04.440 And when you were working, it obviously wasn't something that 553 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.760 you want to do for the rest of your life, correct? 554 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.340 That is correct. Yes. 555 00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:15.340 Well, tell me, you've already told me that you see 556 00:38:15.380 --> 00:38:21.809 yourself as being a college degree software development person. making 557 00:38:22.090 --> 00:38:25.449 decent money so you can afford the basic things in life. 558 00:38:25.510 --> 00:38:26.949 We got that part straight, okay? 559 00:38:28.250 --> 00:38:28.570 Yes. 560 00:38:29.389 --> 00:38:32.550 Now, I want to come back to that, Johnny. Why 561 00:38:32.670 --> 00:38:35.630 have you, well, I kind of know the answer you 562 00:38:35.650 --> 00:38:38.349 just said. The reason that you haven't got a job 563 00:38:38.989 --> 00:38:43.519 and you've been interviewing a lot is because people want 564 00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:47.340 you to show that you've had experience. And you told me, 565 00:38:47.949 --> 00:38:49.989 How are you going to get experience if they won't 566 00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:50.690 hire you? 567 00:38:50.809 --> 00:38:53.309 You told me that, correct? Yeah. 568 00:38:54.610 --> 00:38:58.349 Well, let me ask you this, though, Johnny. Have you 569 00:38:58.409 --> 00:39:02.610 ever thought about taking a job that's not what you 570 00:39:02.670 --> 00:39:06.639 want as a means to an end? And if you 571 00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:09.539 can set your goals, like where you really want to 572 00:39:09.579 --> 00:39:13.500 be in five years, and then pull back and say, okay, 573 00:39:14.550 --> 00:39:17.219 I'm not going to get where I want to be 574 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.179 in five years unless I have a plan and I 575 00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:26.989 go step by step by step by step toward that plan. Correct? 576 00:39:30.469 --> 00:39:32.699 That is correct. I hear that a lot. 577 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:36.860 Okay, so... Now. 578 00:39:36.579 --> 00:39:38.539 I'm going home with them, too. 579 00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:42.440 Repeat that, Johnny. I could not hear that. 580 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.880 I said that is correct. With the whole plan that 581 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:51.469 you said... I would do it, but they put me 582 00:39:51.550 --> 00:39:55.150 on hold too. That's what I'm waiting for now. There's 583 00:39:55.230 --> 00:39:58.909 a couple of jobs that I've been looking at, and 584 00:39:58.929 --> 00:40:02.389 that's one of them. And they keep telling me the 585 00:40:02.409 --> 00:40:05.159 same thing, with the candy dangling over, like the baby 586

00:40:05.539 --> 00:40:09.199 dangling the candy over me again. We don't have a 587 00:40:09.260 --> 00:40:12.699 position open yet, but we'll give you a call. I've 588 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.820 been getting that for like the past two weeks now. 589 00:40:17.780 --> 00:40:22.440 Okay, Johnny, let me ask you a question. When would 590 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:26.719 you think is the best time to get a job 591 00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:30.599 if you're looking for a job? It's a trick question, Johnny. 592 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:32.000 It's a trick question. 593 00:40:36.019 --> 00:40:37.619 Can you repeat the question again? 594 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.780 Yeah, and when you answer, keep talking like you just did, 595 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:46.579 nice and clear. Johnny, when do you think is the 596 00:40:46.659 --> 00:40:49.349 best time to get hired by somebody? 597 00:40:53.250 --> 00:40:54.929 As soon as possible to me. 598 00:40:56.300 --> 00:40:58.860 That's a great answer. That's a better answer than what 599 00:40:58.900 --> 00:41:01.940 I'm going to give you, but here's my answer. The 600 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.059 best time to get a job is when you already 601 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:11.199 have a job. Let's play with that for a minute, Johnny. 602 00:41:12.099 --> 00:41:14.480 Think about what I just said. If you're out there 603 00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:18.510 looking for a job, and you already have a job, 604 00:41:19.369 --> 00:41:21.219 tell me what the interview is going to look like. 605 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.500 Okay, okay. You made the light bulb go off now. 606 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.760 You made the light bulb go off, Steve. 607 00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:34.739 Go really loud, Johnny. Talk like five times as loud 608 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.130 because you're talking good now. The light bulb just went off, Johnny. 609 00:41:38.449 --> 00:41:40.630 Tell me why. Tell me why the light bulb just 610 00:41:40.690 --> 00:41:41.030 went off. 611 00:41:42.329 --> 00:41:49.349 Okay. Yeah, the conversation is going to go like this. So, Mr. Thomas, what, 612 00:41:49.909 --> 00:41:53.940 are you currently employed? Yeah, I'm working at such and such. 613 00:41:54.739 --> 00:41:55.380 Oh, you do? 614 00:41:56.300 --> 00:41:59.599 Yeah, it's one thing to lead to another, and then 615 00:41:59.659 --> 00:42:05.530 I can get that job. Yeah, that sounds like a 616 00:42:05.590 --> 00:42:06.309 nice place. 617 00:42:08.849 --> 00:42:12.090 Let me show you this, Johnny. Let's say that you 618 00:42:12.130 --> 00:42:15.719 want a job. as a, uh, a person in a, 619 00:42:15.860 --> 00:42:19.090 in an environment where you're going to be making like 620 00:42:19.090 --> 00:42:22.190 $ 22 an hour doing some kind of a middle management 621 00:42:22.250 --> 00:42:23.610 supervisory kind of job. 622 00:42:23.849 --> 00:42:24.190 Okay. 623 00:42:25.530 --> 00:42:29.630 It doesn't matter. And, and you're working flipping burgers at 624 00:42:29.670

--> 00:42:32.409 the Burger King around the corner from your house. Okay. 625 00:42:34.250 --> 00:42:39.730 And when you interview and they see on your resume, well, Mr. Thomas, uh, 626 00:42:40.510 --> 00:42:45.559 You're over here at Burger King making minimum wage. And 627 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.940 then your answer could be this simple. Yes, sir, I am, 628 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.159 but that's not what I want to do for very long, 629 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.860 but I've got responsibility. I'm just trying to take care 630 00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.219 of some of my bills, and I'm looking for another 631 00:43:00.260 --> 00:43:04.719 job because I want to better myself. You see where 632 00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:08.570 I'm going, Johnny? Yes. 633 00:43:09.070 --> 00:43:09.889 Yes, I do, Steve. 634 00:43:10.889 --> 00:43:15.250 In other words, Johnny, you would be better off taking 635 00:43:15.590 --> 00:43:18.789 any kind of a job because the next time you 636 00:43:18.829 --> 00:43:23.150 have an interview, you're already employed. They know you're trying. 637 00:43:23.510 --> 00:43:27.099 They know you're facing some responsibility. But when you're out 638 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.239 there not working for a year and they look at you, 639 00:43:31.900 --> 00:43:35.139 they're not sure that your work ethic and the way 640 00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.780 that you approach life is going to be something that 641 00:43:37.820 --> 00:43:43.809 they want to bring into their companies. Now, there's a million, 642 00:43:44.309 --> 00:43:48.050 literally a million minimum wage jobs out there if you 643 00:43:48.090 --> 00:43:50.570 want to get... Johnny, my wife told me to tell 644 00:43:50.590 --> 00:43:53.489 you this, and by the way, my wife and her 645 00:43:53.550 --> 00:43:56.289 sister are traveling to North Carolina today, and I pray 646 00:43:56.309 --> 00:43:58.909 that they have a nice, safe trip, and it's a 647 00:43:58.949 --> 00:44:01.489 nice vacation couple days for my wife to be with 648 00:44:01.530 --> 00:44:04.199 her daughter and her grandkids, and I just thank the 649 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.739 Lord for blessing her with the chance to have this 650 00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:09.280 beautiful weather and take a trip with her sister and 651 00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.610 go see her daughter and her grandkids, and And let's 652 00:44:12.650 --> 00:44:16.579 just pray that they're safe. Johnny, she told me to 653 00:44:16.619 --> 00:44:19.960 make sure that I told you that they're having a 654 00:44:20.019 --> 00:44:24.239 job fair at Waterside and that they got hundreds of 655 00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.960 jobs that they're going to be hiring people for when 656 00:44:26.980 --> 00:44:29.940 they open up the new Waterside. And she said that 657 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.659 would be good for Johnny because that's in walking distance 658 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:36.210 from his house. Johnny, what we're trying to say here 659 00:44:36.329 --> 00:44:39.550 is it's what Jeff Iser says on his show. You've 660 00:44:39.570 --> 00:44:42.900 got to take that first step. If you start bringing 661 00:44:42.940 --> 00:44:47.269 a little bit of money, then you feel better about yourself, 662 00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:51.769 and it's just a means to an end. Now, Johnny, 663 00:44:51.789 --> 00:44:53.889 I'm going to tell you one more thing that's important here. 664 00:44:56.010 --> 00:44:59.230 If you take a job, like so many people do, 665 00:44:59.929 --> 00:45:05.380 that's just a low-skill, close to minimum wage type of 666 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.449 a job, You don't feel very good about yourself if 667 00:45:09.489 --> 00:45:10.409 that's all you're doing. 668 00:45:10.610 --> 00:45:11.190 I got that. 669 00:45:11.429 --> 00:45:15.710 I got that. But what if, Johnny, instead of taking 670 00:45:15.769 --> 00:45:19.409 a job where you feel like you're a failure because 671 00:45:19.449 --> 00:45:22.539 it's not very much. 672 00:45:23.179 --> 00:45:25.559 That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to take 673 00:45:25.739 --> 00:45:29.460 anything right now. That's the whole point I'm trying to make. 674 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:34.119 Beggars can't be choosers. That's my theory. I'm not being choosy. 675 00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.360 I'm just like, throw me a mic, throw me something. 676 00:45:37.510 --> 00:45:41.210 I need something. I'll take the job that I had. 677 00:45:41.230 --> 00:45:44.699 It was paying every week, and it was steady. I 678 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.860 just need something to put this plan that you told 679 00:45:47.900 --> 00:45:50.920 me in action. That's the whole thing. 680 00:45:52.099 --> 00:45:53.739 But it's not happening. 681 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.599 I have a master plan, but it's the part where 682 00:45:58.659 --> 00:46:00.860 it helps to get the ball rolling. I need to 683 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:01.900 get the ball rolling. 684 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.139 It was rolling, like my. 685 00:46:03.099 --> 00:46:06.969 Mom told you. It was rolling. I'm trying to get 686 00:46:06.989 --> 00:46:07.809 it back rolling. 687 00:46:10.610 --> 00:46:15.119 Johnny, we got three minutes to go here, so I'm 688 00:46:15.139 --> 00:46:17.119 going to say something for a few seconds here, then 689 00:46:17.139 --> 00:46:18.599 you can talk for a minute or two, and then 690 00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:21.900 I'll close it out. Johnny, if I'm going to help 691 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.679 somebody with their life plan, and it's teaching them how 692 00:46:25.699 --> 00:46:29.150 to budget and manage their money and get rid of stress, 693 00:46:30.530 --> 00:46:33.750 you can't manage money very well that you don't have. 694 00:46:34.469 --> 00:46:37.150 And so... So we're going to find a way, Johnny. 695 00:46:37.849 --> 00:46:39.630 Now that I know that you want to work and 696 00:46:39.650 --> 00:46:42.550 that you've gone one year without working, within

the next 697 00:46:42.630 --> 00:46:46.869 couple weeks, you're going to be working somewhere, Johnny. And 698 00:46:47.050 --> 00:46:50.469 I'll help you connect and find somebody that will give 699 00:46:50.510 --> 00:46:52.150 you a job because you're going to be the most 700 00:46:52.210 --> 00:46:54.949 conscientious person there is. But the point that I was 701 00:46:55.010 --> 00:46:57.760 trying to say is this. If you go into any 702 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.780 kind of job and it's just a you're like a 703 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.840 future entrepreneur, own your own business kind of mentality and training, 704 00:47:05.309 --> 00:47:08.050 and you become the best employee that that company has 705 00:47:08.130 --> 00:47:11.690 ever seen, you will be able to move up the 706 00:47:11.730 --> 00:47:15.289 ladder either at that company or take that experience and 707 00:47:15.349 --> 00:47:18.789 take it to somebody else. You're going to be okay. So, Johnny, 708 00:47:19.570 --> 00:47:24.519 I just want to tell you, I love being your friend. 709 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:27.260 I love you, and I'm so glad that you and 710 00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:29.880 I are starting to hang out together. And so would 711 00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.059 you like to say something for about a minute or so? 712 00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:34.800 We've got exactly two minutes to go. You take a minute, 713 00:47:34.820 --> 00:47:36.400 then I'll close it out on the last minute. 714 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:41.699 All right. Yeah, but when I mentioned you the night 715 00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:43.980 you got off the bed, I didn't mean to put 716 00:47:44.019 --> 00:47:47.219 in your conversation, but what you were talking about, you 717 00:47:47.260 --> 00:47:50.960 kind of intrigued my mind. You were like, you were 718 00:47:50.980 --> 00:47:54.280 talking about, yeah, Napoleon Hill. I'm like, you talked about 719 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.070 your show. I figured your website, did a little research 720 00:47:58.090 --> 00:48:01.030 on you. You came for the moment. You worked your 721 00:48:01.070 --> 00:48:07.460 way up. And now you're dedicating yourself to help people. 722 00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:11.179 And people like me in situations, I'm able to help 723 00:48:11.380 --> 00:48:14.500 boost their, like, morale, like give them a new man 724 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:18.570 for what you were thinking, try to stay positive. That's 725 00:48:18.590 --> 00:48:22.929 the thing. I'm very smart and intelligent, but I can't, 726 00:48:23.469 --> 00:48:27.710 my self-esteem, I need to get that spark back. 727 00:48:29.190 --> 00:48:30.190 And me and you. 728 00:48:30.369 --> 00:48:31.550 You gave me that spark. 729 00:48:35.780 --> 00:48:40.210 Johnny, I appreciate that you said that to me, and 730 00:48:41.090 --> 00:48:45.329 you've encouraged me unbelievable. And so I'm making a commitment 731 00:48:45.349 --> 00:48:48.969 to you right now, Johnny, and that commitment is that 732 00:48:49.449 --> 00:48:51.090 we're going to give you a job. You're going to 733 00:48:51.110 --> 00:48:53.219 get a job. I'm going to help you because I'm 734 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:56.699 proud to introduce you to people because I know that 735 00:48:56.780 --> 00:49:00.579 you've got everything right. You're a man of integrity. You've 736 00:49:00.619 --> 00:49:03.460 got good values. You're trying your very best to stay 737 00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:05.889 out of trouble despite the fact that it's all around you. 738 00:49:06.340 --> 00:49:10.349 And so you are a success, Johnny. You are a success. 739 00:49:10.869 --> 00:49:14.170 And you're almost there, and I'm glad that I can 740 00:49:14.210 --> 00:49:16.809 help you. I just want to say this. Next week, 741 00:49:16.829 --> 00:49:19.309 we're going to bring Dave Richards back, and we're going 742 00:49:19.329 --> 00:49:21.239 to talk about it. exactly what Johnny and I are 743 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.199 talking about. Last time Dave was on the show, we 744 00:49:24.219 --> 00:49:26.929 talked about the importance of being connected and getting that job. 745 00:49:27.289 --> 00:49:29.510 But we're going to really have a seminar next week 746 00:49:29.869 --> 00:49:32.090 on how to get that job. So thank you very much, 747 00:49:32.130 --> 00:49:32.969 and have a great week. 748 00:49:33.969 --> 00:49:36.849 Thanks for listening to Right Thinking with Steve Copeland. I 749 00:49:36.889 --> 00:49:39.610 look forward to being with you again next week. And remember, 750 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:40.639 don't quit. 751 00:49:41.099 --> 00:49:41.719 Plan ahead. 752 00:49:42.179 --> 00:49:44.719 It will get better. God bless you and have a 753 00:49:44.780 --> 00:49:45.280 great week.