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WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:01.040 Player Driven Live. 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:01.439 Welcome. 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:02.479 It is Thursday. 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:03.680 We are so excited. 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:07.759 I don't know about you, Colin, but I feel like it's the beginning of September. 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:09.759 My kids are first going back to school. 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:14.640 I know you said your kids are already back at school, but I feel like it's like the start of the new season. 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:16.079 Games comes over. 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:22.320 Summer is kind of ending in my world, and I feel like it's a reset kind of finish up Q. 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:23.039 What are we at? 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:23.760 Q4. 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:25.839 Ah strong going now. 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:27.120 Q4? 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:28.320 We're in Q4. 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:29.199 I have another. 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:33.359 Q4 starts in October. 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:36.880 Um, you know, I don't follow the Qs anymore. 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:40.159 We don't, we don't, we don't jump ahead in the calendar like that. 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:42.079 Uh, you just gave me a heart attack. 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:43.280 Uh, I I run a business. 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:44.079 I don't even know that. 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:46.479 I'm like, it's not at the end of Q shot. 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:50.000 No, uh, it is uh it is uh great to be back. 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:58.399 I it's finally not um it doesn't feel like Florida here, so our Disneyland is back to being Disneyland for those who follow me and Greg's back and forth on that. 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:00.960 But um, it's not hot, it's not gross. 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:05.920 It we're back in we're getting cool autumn breezes this week in in LA. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.640 There's some fear that there was a hurricane barreling toward us, they'll seem to subside again. 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:11.760 Bunch of noise. 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:13.200 There's no hurricane coming. 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:16.959 And we live in California, 72 and sunny every day. 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:22.959 Um, and uh my kids been at school for a while, so um, we send our kids to school in August, man. 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:24.879 They're they're back at it before the everyday. 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:26.319 I feel like that's a debate. 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:28.959 August is still summer, shouldn't they be in camp? 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:30.879 Shouldn't they still be enjoying themselves? 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:34.640 Here you have California sending their kids to school at the end of summer. 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:39.840 Well, I don't know how you guys operate in the year because my kids get like at a normal amount of time off in the year. 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:51.439 So, like what they do is they start early and then they like take a week off here, a week off there, so they give more air in the year for them to have more time off, as I understand it. 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:55.920 And uh very different than when I was a kid where we just had very few days off and you're just at school every day. 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:57.760 But we didn't go back to school till actually every day. 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.680 The fact that you called it abnormal just means the conversation was over. 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:02.959 It's it's I won. 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:04.719 That's putting a pin in it. 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:09.680 Uh, I mean, I I didn't grow up in California, so for me it's a it's a it's a new thing. 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.560 I'm like, well, I guess this is how people do it these days, anyways. 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:17.919 People that come for our key our takes on the the school year of going to daylight savings side. 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.560 Are we are you uh keep the calendar spring forward forever, guy? 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:29.039 Or are you uh let's let's keep shifting our clocks every uh no I want uh whichever one's the lighter, where it's lighter in the morning, lighter at nighttime. 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:29.840 Just keep that one. 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:31.599 Why why are we going the other way? 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:33.520 So you want to switch a clock forever. 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:38.000 So are you a daylight at the end of the day guy, or are you a daylight in the morning guy? 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:39.439 Uh end of the day. 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:42.080 I want as much sun in the day as possible. 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.080 That is that is the correct answer. 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:46.159 So you're a leap forward forever kind of guy. 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:47.039 I respect that. 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:47.919 I respect that. 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:53.280 Let's talk about what we're actually here to talk about today on the 3rd of September. 00:02:53.360 --> 00:03:03.439 So we're gonna start by talking about the state of play where Stony to this morning have their state of play, where we'll dig into what they spoke about, see if anyone was welmed, overwhelmed, underwhelmed. 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:09.039 We'll talk about GTA, Colin's bet on when they're going to hit a billion dollars. 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:12.000 And I'm excited to talk about a game stage tour. 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.919 It's a rhythm game, and we're gonna break down what is our ideal playlist. 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:19.680 But let's start at the beginning of things, which was state of play, Colin. 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.080 We were all watching it together this morning. 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:23.919 I know you were excited about it. 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:25.039 How do you feel? 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:34.080 Well, to be clear, I watched the first hour of it and then nailed uh on the second hour because it was I was like, I'm I'm good, and I got you know myself ready at 6 a.m. 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:37.280 I was like, I'm done after the first hour of it
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was over. 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.319 Um, so I thought it was fine. 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:46.400 I I you know I didn't think anything really popped out of me as like wow, I can't believe they dropped that bomb. 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.639 I mean, it was all and I could be completely wrong. 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:59.280 I mean, I you know, my takeaways were one, um, you know, great to see Wolverine still getting its uh marketing beats, and I guess we got an update until dawn. 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:04.319 So you you got updates on things you already knew were happening, like until Dawn 2 was already announced. 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:04.960 So that was cool. 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:06.879 This got its release date at the end of January. 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:08.800 So that's that's one standout to me. 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:13.360 The next one was Final Fantasy, they're just gonna keep trying to make this thing a bit. 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:23.519 Uh you know, they're marketing it, they're trying their hardest to make Final Fantasy uh 7 Revelations to be a big game, launching in April, so out of the uh out of the storm of Q1. 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:25.439 Um yeah, I don't know. 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:31.519 I'm still I'm still personally, I'm just still kind of meh on the idea of Final Fantasy VII Part 3. 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.839 So um, you know, I'm curious how this like shows up in our data next week. 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:42.560 And then lastly, most importantly, the official reveal of the PlayStation Lego set. 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.399 Now, for those in the Lego world, we've known this is gonna happen for months now. 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:53.519 Um, this is Lego's got is like a leaky sieve of a company, like sets get leaked out there like months, sometimes years in advance. 00:04:53.600 --> 00:05:00.319 So we all know what's happening, but it was cool to see it in its fully revealed state of play form. 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:09.439 Um, what they didn't say, which I think is a critical piece of it, is that rumored, I guess not officially confirmed, but again, we're generally right on these on the rumor side. 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:22.319 A gift of purchase or a GWP, as those Lego community people call it, a gift of purchase is supposed to align itself with the PlayStation, and that is the Astrobot uh Lego, which makes this a day one thing for me. 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.240 Uh, I will I will I will burn Rome to get an Astrobot Lego. 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:31.279 Um, so for those who don't buy Lego normally, they don't do pre-orders, it's all drops. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.759 It's uh it's at um 12 a.m. 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:35.600 Eastern time on the day of the drop. 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:36.959 So 9.8 p.m. 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.959 PST, just be there, put it in your cart, move on today. 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:52.800 It's gonna be a busy day because they're also releasing the Super Star Destroyer uh USC UC it, the Lego
set, um, which will come with a Darth Vayner gift with purchase lightsaber, which will make that a must buy for Lego collectors worldwide. 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:56.319 So it's gonna be a busy kiosk day for Lego.com. 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:57.839 They'll put you in the queue. 00:05:57.920 --> 00:05:58.959 That's my hunch. 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:00.240 They have a queue. 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.040 I you gotta be it's like Coachilla tickets, man. 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:03.680 It's coachilla tickets. 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:08.319 You earned your Lego black card or whatever you need to get to that front of that line. 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:10.079 Like you have to flaunt it now. 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:12.399 How many pieces of Lego do you think I have registered? 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:17.439 So they have an app um that's the Lego, you know, scan scan for points of everything you've ever built. 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:23.279 But they've only started this in was it like 2017, something like that. 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:25.600 Like, so this is a new-ish thing among Lego. 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:28.560 How many pieces of Lego do you think I have in my catalog register? 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:30.720 Oh my god, this is such a hard guess. 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:35.680 I'd imagine the average largest set is about a thousand to three thousand pieces. 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:40.560 I'd assume you have maybe a hundred and ten thousand pieces. 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.000 Bricks, two hundred and ten thousand. 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:47.360 Oh my goodness. 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.199 Uh four hundred and uh you were closer to it. 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:58.720 It's uh right now registered, so not everything I own because it's impossible to register everything you own. 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:18.560 I currently have sitting on 251,177 registered bricks, meaning I scan the QR code on the instruction manuals when I open the box and then I get my you know points, and then it basically becomes a a registration of all the sets I have purchased and have acquired. 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.680 That does not include the stuff I grew up with. 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:27.279 Nice to learn, does not include like stuff I accumulated before the 2010s, really. 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:36.800 Um, so there is a there's more there, but uh the number is uh astronomically high over a set count of 362 sets I've registered. 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:43.120 So you have like hot sweats when you think about the Legos that you didn't get to scan when you were a kid and that just got away. 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:44.639 No, I'm fine with it. 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:46.800 Um it's for insurance purposes, man. 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:56.399 Like they created a digital uh place where I could do my proof of purchase if my house burns down in California, which is uh not unlikely per se, unfortunately. 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:58.319 Then it's right to the insurance. 00:07:58.399 --> 00:07:59.279 Like, hey,
look at this. 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:08.800 The value of this sets are God, I don't want to get in the brick and minifig conversation because that apparently turns into a huge drama, but you know, it's not it's not nothing, so it's a good amount of money. 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:11.279 All right, let's talk a little bit more about PlayStation. 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:12.800 I think what did you think about C and Play? 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:13.920 Like, I went on a Lego tangent. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:14.399 What did you think? 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.680 What was your very underwhelming in my mind? 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.240 I do think the Legos look awesome. 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:25.839 I I did not expect the sides to pull that and being able to see different kinds of game worlds inside there. 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:27.439 I thought that was wonderfully done. 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:31.199 And I mean, you're expecting a Lego partnership to be something amazing. 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:34.799 So uh Sony had to follow up Nintendo, so how are they gonna do it? 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:36.960 And I think it I'm gonna point to it in the background. 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:48.080 Nintendo already did this with the uh infamous Lego uh Mario uh question mark block that you can put, but it shows different levels of Mario 64 as micro builds, so yeah. 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:49.200 Um congrats, Sony. 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:53.600 Uh always following Nintendo in their footsteps, while while trying footsteps. 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:55.120 Uh, but I like it. 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.799 I think the games just were whelming to me. 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.440 I mean, Crimson Desert DLC, which was funny because we were talking about that a little earlier today. 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:04.960 Like you mentioned, Final Fantasy. 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:12.399 A lot of it seemed like Final Fantasy, whether it's JRPG or some sort of game like that, just kind of copy and paste, copy and paste. 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:13.600 And that's not my style game. 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:17.679 So about halfway through this, I was just kind of like, all right, this is more of the same. 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:33.440 What I actually like, it kicked off with a look at uh the Resident Evil, the new Resident Evil, which I think is a fascinating movie, which I think deserves a discussion of its own because it's almost like uh the way Obsession takes a look at a world or the way some of these backrooms takes a look at another world. 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:38.240 I feel like Resident Evil is taking a look at a world we all know, but a completely different lens than we know of. 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:41.600 And I think it's a super interesting way to approach VIP. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:48.000 And I think that's the excitement that came from this from me, that and Maneater too, because it's a shark game. 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.200 Oh my gosh. 00:09:49.360 --> 00:10:02.960 Well, to be fair to all the um JRPG anime theme games, it is the Tokyo game show uh state of play, so um, it makes sense that that around there they would be leaning into a lot of those kind of uh parts of the catalog. 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:12.559 Um I mean beyond that, I would also say that uh the the uh the until dawn 2 uh uh date drop is pretty cool. 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:18.159 I mean that game has a fandom behind it, it's definitely like one of the larger horror games. 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:33.919 Um so and it looks it looks like it's delivering what Until Dawn delivers, which is a decision-based like tree of choice that then leads you into killing different characters or having them survive as you make way through kind of you know the premise of survive till dawn or whatever, right? 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:35.440 So like that's that's cool. 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.200 So excited to see kind of an update there. 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:53.039 That's probably the thing that stuck out to me the most out of everything personally, but your part about JRPG is I get it, and I'm I'm a bit whelmed by it all because I don't, you know, it's a lot of sameness to me, and I know there's a lot of JRPG super fans out there, so I'm so sorry. 00:10:53.200 --> 00:11:02.639 And I I am not like a not JRPG person, I have just long kind of moved away from that being one of my main genre of games, uh, probably because I've just grown out of it. 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:05.279 Um, so I was a bit like it's okay. 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:11.039 Like, you know, the JRPG market has seen more interesting drops in the last month. 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:24.080 Like, um, the bit like uh if you're gonna be true up here about it, like honestly, the Kingdom Hearts 4 has me more excited in just uh the look, the vibe, everything else that comes out of that than anything about Final Fantasy uh 7 Revelations. 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.559 That just seemed like a concluding thing that cool, these weapons they look better. 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:29.840 Like, yeah, they do look better. 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:30.639 That's awesome. 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:34.000 You get to fly around the airship and drop down on different parts of the world. 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.799 I'm like, yep, that's exactly how you play Final Fantasy VII. 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.000 You got the airship, Zid drove it, and you have to go wherever you wanted to. 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.720 So it means you're gonna find next to the round table summit at some point. 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:44.000 Like, that's cool. 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.399 Um, you get to conclude the story. 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:48.639 Like, yeah, I assume that was that's the premise. 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.679 I just you know, I keep going back to that game, should have just been one game. 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:58.879 I I it breaks my brain it's like three games, it should have just made it one super long game and not try to commercialize it in
three waves. 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.120 That probably urges me the most as like a fan. 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:08.000 I mean, they probably made enough money from making a PlayStation exclusive in the beginning that no justification needs to be made. 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:11.679 If they got paid on it, well, the fact the new ones are gonna be on all devices day one. 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:12.480 Oh, the new one, yes. 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:13.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:13.679 Yeah, yeah. 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:14.960 But I mean, you kind of lost. 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:23.759 I mean, I guess I can't speak for Xbox, and there's not many of them in in the West anyway, but like they're not buying Xbox to play. 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:30.240 Yeah, it's more the Nintendo side because um Japan, we were having this discussion this morning. 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:42.159 They're what they play is very different than what the rest of the world plays, they're very specific in the kind of games, which is when I see the show and I see all the stuff that they're announcing and kind of uh calling out, it's like, yeah, this all makes sense for that market. 00:12:42.480 --> 00:13:00.320 So, not having Final Fantasy VII, any of them, as an exclusive on PlayStation, where if you follow the sales of the PlayStation in that market, they have been incredibly underwhelming this generation as the Switch just eats its lunch on top of mobile, like mobile and the Switch have just dominated Japan. 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:10.000 So, not putting a Final Fantasy game in Japan on day one launch has been probably the biggest detriment to that franchise in terms of hitting its like ceiling. 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:12.000 So, this hopefully fixes that. 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:20.080 So maybe in Artulia we'll show that's gonna trend better than Rebirth because Rebirth was a PlayStation exclusive and underwhelm versus seven, so uh sort of remake. 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:21.360 So, yeah, we'll see. 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.080 I'll I'll have a more of a take next week, but we'll see how it lands. 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.480 But I think it's a good thing that's not gonna be able to switch. 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:36.320 I want to get into a podcast actual episode where we kind of dig more into the marketing in China because I don't think people understand how vastly different marketing is done there. 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:52.639 It's not the same way you go pay influencers here or put commercials or get ads, it's a different beast, and I think it's a fun way to start digging into because you know it kind of I was telling someone because the other day Colin and I were talking, and he was, I mean, he was on the live show, he was calling everything soul slop, soul slop. 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:55.279 And I and he's right, but he's also not right. 00:13:55.360 --> 00:14:07.279 But things are also marketed differently to us than it is overseas, and and that's the type of
things that might, I'm not saying as is, but that's type of content that might hit over there rather than over here, and it's not made for us. 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:12.879 Uh, and and I don't know, it's just something that has always interested me is like marketing isn't what we think it is over there. 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:14.320 How is it different? 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.600 Like in terms of marketing a game in China versus here, yeah. 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:19.039 Well, they just like different games. 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:20.799 This is not like crazy town. 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.799 Like, this is the challenge that Western games have going into China. 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.879 It's the same challenge that Chinese publishers and developers have had making games that make data way out to the West. 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:40.799 And like Tenne's, 10 to put 10's, Tencent and Netes, still two sort, uh two separate companies, have spent a gajillion dollars. 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:41.759 It's real mouth, guys. 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:51.840 Just look it up, good gajillion dollars trying to make games specific for the West, um, and have found more a lot more failures and successes. 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:57.440 But like at the end of the day, they're beginning to chip at that armor, like they're beginning to find things that kind of break through over here. 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:07.840 But ultimately, you're right, but it's also just the kind of games people play, and they just don't understand what makes like like why can't they make a Call of Duty clone that does well in the West? 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:13.360 Well, um, because Call of Duty and how activism makes a game is just very popular in the West. 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:30.080 And it's very hard to like just say, Oh, we took uh Delta Force, and it's like, yeah, nobody cares out here, like nobody, like it's a massive game in China, but it's not the Call of Duty killer that was like kind of propped up to be like a half decade ago coming and it's being made, and it's just never worked, right? 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:30.960 So I don't know. 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:34.960 I um sorry also China is more mobile, like it'd just be fair. 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:36.000 Like that's the other thing. 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:48.720 It's like they are a mobile first market, they didn't have the technology anchor that is colon so it's not a bad thing, like colon so it became big in the west because it for reasons that are like we have the space. 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:59.840 I think I made this point on uh the live stream we did on GTA last week, but like part of the the the thing I think the Western people have uh understanding with the rest of the world is like we have space, like especially the US. 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:04.480 Like I have a 60-inch flat screen TV hanging on my wall. 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:10.080 I like to put a machine in that room that purposely plays games on this giant screen
in the living room. 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:16.799 Most people don't have that space to have a screen that large staring at them in the face in their like living space. 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:28.799 So, like what the Switch does so well is it basically took it off the TV exclusively and made it a thing that you can personally stare at a small screen, but if you have the space, you can plug it in a big screen. 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:32.080 That is an amazing like evolution of the console. 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:36.639 But the Western consoles being PlayStation and Xbox haven't quite figured that out yet. 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:47.200 They still design things made for an American 60-inch flat screen TV living room, which is that the culturally just different than what exists in the rest of the world, specifically like Asia. 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:48.559 It's not just China, it's like Asia. 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:50.399 So they are just mobile first, right? 00:16:50.559 --> 00:17:02.639 So I mean, I'm gonna land the plane as like an attack um why I'm bullish on it, is I saw all these people is like coming out of you know uh Gamescom, it broke the top three in wish list, like a congratulations at 300,000. 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:12.240 I'm like, meanwhile, their website is like climbing like 21, 22, 23 million registered users, so it's also releasing on it's like, yeah, it's gonna be on Steam, cool. 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.359 It's gonna be on PlayStation as a console exclusive, cool. 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:16.720 It's also on mobile. 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:18.960 I'm gonna go put my chips on the table. 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:20.480 Most people are gonna play this game on mobile. 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:31.119 Like, if you're to look at the pie of where people are playing a Neta, it's gonna be mobile predominantly with a tiny sliver of Steam and a tiny sliver of play or console relative to the size of mobile. 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.279 But they're really good at beginning to design games that can at least hit all these different markets. 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.000 So I and that's why in part I'm bullish on that game. 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:42.640 It's like, oh, they're delivering a grand theft auto experience on mobile, they actually crack that. 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:44.880 Wow, that doesn't exist. 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:52.880 If big if we've seen this if many times, so let's see if if comes to fruition this time. 00:17:53.279 --> 00:18:03.440 But my last feeling on state of play, and something that no matter how much of a hole Xbox digges itself into, it is better at Sony than this. 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:17.039 I don't know if we spoke about it or I spoke saw it on Reddit, but custom controllers are just so bad on Sony, and Xbox does such cool limited edition consoles, controllers. 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:22.400 I mean, Starfield is a laughed at game, but that controller is revered. 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:29.680 Like the GTA 6 controller is like a regular controller with a light etching of a six on it. 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:33.440 Like, come on, can't we put a little bit of dollars into this? 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:39.680 Um I I I am not one to stand for the PlayStation controller on any front. 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:42.640 Um, so yeah, I look, uh, Xbox. 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:48.640 If if the console market was only decided on controllers, then Xbox won the won the war, man. 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:49.200 Congratulations. 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:50.799 Wins a win. 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.279 Um, the rest of it, uh, but they did win the controller business. 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:58.240 Um, so you were underwhelmed by the GTA 6 controller, huh? 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:03.680 You were like you looked at you like, eh, I'm not buying that, even though it'll probably sell out to be clear. 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.480 100% will sell out, and no doubt about it. 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.920 But no, I I mean put some cool color, could put do something with it. 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:15.519 Like, find the Gears Award team that built those controllers and be like, hey, can you do a little side project for us here? 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:19.839 And I mean, yeah, I saw the Wolverine one, and it was fine. 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:28.559 I the only controller I've seen that I wish I had that I didn't get at the time was the Astrobot one because that's like that it's the the vibe of PlayStation. 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:36.559 Obviously, he's a robot that drives around PlayStation, so he shouldn't fit like you should be able to be control controller fied and look good. 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.400 Um, but yeah, I don't know. 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:52.160 I I I thought it was interesting that they just I that was the funny one where it's like there you have all this like anime Japanese JRPG content mostly, and then the shore and then they're like, Oh yeah, by the way, Grand Theft Auto 6 on PlayStation, here's your controller. 00:19:52.400 --> 00:20:01.200 It's like, oh um, now that game is not particularly popular relative to everything else in Japan, so I'm curious how GTA does over there. 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:05.039 Um, and I always felt like that's the opportunity with the Netties game. 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.599 It's like you're not I was looking at the data. 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.920 We um my my team member Anthony published a piece on Grand Theft Data today. 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:19.440 One of the more interesting uh data visualizations he did and his uh piece was looking at where GTA is popular versus not. 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:26.319 It's like, oh, it's really popular in the West, and it's like a share of like index scores really, really heavily in the West. 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.319 And then the East, it's like it's it's under indexes relative to the West. 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:42.400 And it's like, oh, so it's like your your opposite of what Ananta would do is like fill in
the East and maybe find a small decent audience in the West, but like it'll win over the East because the East is not a Grand Theft Auto market, which makes sense. 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:47.680 Like a Grand Theft Auto is distinctly an American game, distinctly an American culture game, right? 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:51.200 That doesn't necessarily resonate with a why, unless you want to laugh at America. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:21:03.039 Which I would imagine there's a credit there, but let's dig more into this because the topic we're talking about now is Grand Theft Auto, and we've been seeing analysts talk about the$1 billion market. 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:09.039 For those that don't know, it took GTA 5 three days to get to$1 billion. 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:13.759 So now Collins' gonna think that GTA 6 can get there sooner. 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:17.680 When is GTA gonna hit a billion dollars and how does it go about doing that? 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:19.920 Um has it not already? 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:21.359 I honest the question. 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:34.640 Like, I I have the I have my unprovable idea, but I would if it got out there that GTA 6 has already sold a billion dollars in in copies, I'd be like, yeah, probably has, um, and kind of move on. 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:47.839 And this is predominantly based on just the different massive spikes we've seen in mind game since it's uh since it's uh announcement of like when it's gonna be available for purchase, and then the last week's bump from Netflix. 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:56.079 Like, if 90% of the SKUs are going to a hundred dollar game, then all they have to do is sell 10 million units of a game to hit a billion dollars. 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.759 So the question is is have they already sold 10 million units of a game to hit a billion? 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:00.559 Dollars. 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:02.799 My hunch is probably. 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:04.319 Um, I would say yes. 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:12.720 And I think the more interesting question that comes to Grand Theft Auto, and I posted something this week that's a kind of great data visualization on this one. 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:16.799 It's like it's the biggest launch since our tracking and buying game by by a mile. 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:18.720 It's not even particularly close, right? 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.240 So when does when does Grand Theft Auto hit 2 billion? 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:23.839 That's what I think is a more interesting question. 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:25.599 How long will it take to hit 2 billion? 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:30.000 And what will be its uh launch numbers when it comes out with a press release? 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:37.359 Indefinitely it's gonna come out with a press release saying, Hey, Grand Theft Auto hit this number, you know, at this point in time. 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:46.480 And my gut tells me they're gonna have something closer to$2 billion in in immediate sales as opposed to a billion. 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.440 Like I think they're cutting for a$2 billion number if I had to guess. 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:52.240 Like it just feels like$2 billion is the press release number. 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:54.000 So we'll see if they hit it, right? 00:22:54.160 --> 00:23:00.240 Um, but it it's eating, I mean, it's already additive attention share. 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:09.839 Uh the main metric we look at in my game is basically taking all attention share and adding it up and like saying marketing is a snowball of actions that lead up into a launch, right? 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:16.240 And looking at it that way, this game will be the biggest game we've ever tracked since 2019. 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:22.559 Not only that, it's going to already, and it's so far out from its release yet, pass every game we've ever seen in our tracking. 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.559 So basically, what did these games do at launch? 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:25.839 Where's Grand Theft Battle now? 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:28.640 It's gonna pass Call of Duty Modern Warfare next week. 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:33.279 Um and it's got like two months out until it's out. 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:34.559 It's it's insane. 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.359 Um, it's just starting its marketing campaign. 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:51.440 Like now, like it's did it, it has it like people I talk to in my outside the gaming industry are just waking up to the fact that Grand Theft is starting to like come out and they're like thinking about buying it. 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.880 Like, I just think this game is going to be so massive. 00:23:55.039 --> 00:24:02.559 I heard a podcast, and you know, not the shut out of the show, but there's an industry podcast from uh that called the town, that's like a you know movie industry one. 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:06.240 I listened to it because my company screen engine is a movie company at the end of the day. 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:12.799 So I listened to it just to be vaguely informed on what's going on with uh the other medium, like TV and film. 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:16.559 And they had on their like, is Grand Theft Auto gonna take away from movies? 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:18.559 They're like, Well, video games are not our thing. 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:19.279 Ho ho ho. 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:24.079 But we and then Lucas Shaw from Bluebird was like, Yeah, but you know, it's it could be a really big launch. 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:26.319 And they're like, Yeah, but there's a ribbon effect. 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:27.680 I think what movie do they talk about? 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:35.440 Like uh a Pixar movie, or maybe it was one of them, and they're talking about like Meet the Fuckers, part three or six or however many those are like, oh, I don't know. 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:38.880 We just don't think about these things, like cool games impact movies, who knows? 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:55.279 And I'm like, Yeah, I've been on this hill for
years, or like, yeah, it's good to um impact box office because if box office requires people to leave their homes to spend time in a movie theater, and like you're basically scratching off the entire male demographic. 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:57.759 So they look at the movies in terms of four quad marketing. 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:04.480 It's like males under 25, males over 25, females under 25, females over 25 is like the quads. 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:08.559 Well, the male quads, just scratch it off, just it's not coming to the movies every yeah. 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:10.559 So you're already dealing with half an audience. 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:11.839 What do you do? 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:18.799 Like guys are basically playing Grand Theft Tato, and if they're not gonna be playing Grand Theft, they're gonna be watching people became Grand Theft Tato. 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.359 So I think this game is gonna be a beast. 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:23.839 I think it, you know, again, back to my billion. 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:27.920 I think the most interesting question you could ask is does it hit two billion dollars at lunch? 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:34.319 And this is for you, Greg, over under 25 million units in its in its uh in its uh first week. 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:37.359 So I have to imagine it's gonna be over. 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:44.480 I saw an article today, and I mean in Nielsen, this is according to Chris Dring, right? 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:51.440 Uh said in the last week, PlayStation sales jumped 33%, while Xbox Series S and X jumped 34%. 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.720 That could be a misleading number because if it's week over week, I'm sure consoles have not been selling very well. 00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.920 So what's a 33% jump uh in that case? 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:06.720 But to your point that you mentioned yesterday when we were talking, anyone that's buying a system right now is buying Grand Theft Auto. 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:17.599 You're not choosing to buy a five-year-old system at its premium peak price that it's ever been at now in the life cycle before the biggest game of all time, and not purchase this. 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.000 So the question is how many consoles are being pushed now? 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.960 Because that's every one is of those is probably going to be a purchase. 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:30.079 And I think 25 across two systems uh have pretty good market penetration, although not what GTA 5 had. 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.640 25 million should be an easy number to hit. 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:42.079 Yeah, the interesting yeah, the interesting question there is that's a you're it's a how many millions of consoles can be sold between now and November. 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:59.920 And if you put that number at like I don't know, I'm not a console uh system tracker person, so I'm just napkin mathing here, but like three to five million consoles get moved off the shelf between the summer and GTA launch, let's say, across PlayStation and Xbox, then you assume 100% of those people are buying um Grant the Thano. 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:01.599 So it's it's five million right there, right? 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.920 You just sold five million copies, right? 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:05.519 That's why they're buying the console. 00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:14.640 Um, so I you know I go back to the naysayers, and then they're like, you know, I think it's mid, I don't think they're keeping the humor in the game, it's giving us the same thing. 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:16.160 Like, I've heard it all. 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:20.160 It's it's you know, it's zagging when there's no data to zag on. 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:23.279 I I just that's why I think as a data guy, I guess pull my hair out. 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:28.480 I'm like, I I I don't see the zag here because it's they do not the data does not support the zag. 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:30.720 But let's just talk like vibes. 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.000 Every conversation I've had with Normie, so they know I work in the game industry. 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:39.839 I go out and I do my son's baseball, for example, and people come up to me and they go, Did you watch the Grand Theft Auto things? 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:41.519 Yeah, I work in the industry. 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.079 Like, bro, is that car chase real? 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.839 It's everybody, everybody's first question to me is Is that car chase real? 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:55.119 The one where they're four-star popping the tires, cars are flipping, and then I'm like, yeah, it looked real to me. 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:59.279 Um, but that's everyone's takeaway from that is that car chase sequence. 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:09.119 They watched a 26-minute ad and they distilled it down to what 30 seconds of you shooting the tires of a cop car and just doing like flips. 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.200 That's it, and that's what Grand Theft Out has always been. 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:14.640 But has it ever looked that good? 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:20.559 Go back and watch GTA 5 footage of car chase sequences, go back and watch GTA 4 car chase sequences. 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:25.680 Hell, go back and watch the painful to watch outside of Dranis and Vice City car chase sequences. 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.039 It's never looked like that. 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:36.559 Like, this is like a whole other level of like, yeah, I had fun shooting cars and they blew up in like kind of pixelated fire, but this is like this is like real, real. 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:37.519 Like, this is awesome. 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:42.160 You you watch the gun torque, like you know, and the recoil, it's like insane. 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:53.440 I I think there's also a class of individuals that purchase a console strictly for Grand Theft Auto, and they're similar to Madden people, they're similar to Call of Duty people. 00:28:53.599 --> 00:29:05.359 And I wouldn't
be surprised if a lot of these Call of Duty people are sorry, these uh Grand Theft Auto people aren't even paying attention to the news until GTA 6 drops, and then they will go out and they will buy GTA 6. 00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:17.519 At the same time with the GTA 6 thing, they announced their new multiplayer platform, uh, the new map update, and that's gonna give a whole new life into this industry, into this creator economy as well. 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.799 And I think I think people, to your point, marketing hasn't started yet. 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:30.000 There's still an untapped audience that hasn't seen this type of stuff yet, that are about to find out that their world is going to be rocked. 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:35.200 Yeah, and I say marketing, because I know people say that these are marketing events, absolutely correct. 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:46.000 Netflix was the first real major marketing thing they did, and you know, that was an interesting stunt that seemed to work for Netflix, seemed to work for Grand Theft Auto, seemed to work for all parties involved. 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:54.319 Um, and I have a question on this one to ask you, Greg, on your thoughts on this, but like when I say marketing, uh to those who work in media, I mean media. 00:29:54.480 --> 00:30:03.279 Like, when am I gonna get hammered with Grand Theft Auto video ads across television, across my every social feed I'm on? 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.079 When is that GTA trailer just to be hit playing in the loop? 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:07.680 And I think it starts at the NFL. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:22.000 I think NFL kickoff at it was the beginning of the Grand Theft Auto media blitz where they will probably pour hundreds of millions of dollars in marketing this game worldwide between now and between the NFL starting in the US all the way through its launch. 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.240 And I don't think we'll watch a single commercial in NFL season. 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.319 And I've said this before that we'll not have a grand theft auto ad attached to it at some point in the game. 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:31.359 No chance. 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.440 Um it reminds me of Battlefield 6 last year, it's the same strategy. 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:46.079 Like EA built those hype in the summer, and as soon as NFL college football started in the US, it was just a blitz of Battlefield 6 ads between then and its launch, which never stopped. 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.160 And I feel that's the same play here. 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:53.519 It is completely different, but the same play because uh I mean GTA or Battlefield. 00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:55.359 Because you're reaching the person you mentioned. 00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:00.720 It's not the core gaming, it's the it's like my brother is the Call of Duty dad. 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.720 It's like I play Call of Duty and I play Madden. 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:03.359 That's it, right? 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.759
Or I play 2K, I play Madden, I might play one other game. 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.400 Like that's that's the audience you're trying to penetrate to. 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:15.680 They don't pay attention to any of these state-of-play events, they don't care, they just they go about their lives. 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:21.519 But when you break through, it's like, oh, and by the way, here's your we're telling you this thing's coming out this day. 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.839 They're like, Oh, yeah, well, this is a must-purchase for me. 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:25.039 I'm gonna play this game, right? 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:26.880 And then that sucks. 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.680 I mean, like, the biggest loser here is gonna be Call of Duty. 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.599 I'm I'm taking my patch notes off this week for those I am not writing. 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.079 I I have to have a like a holiday break. 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.720 I need I need time to kind of get my energy back. 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:42.319 But I come back, I am going to do my annual Call of Duty piece. 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:57.279 I'm not done it yet, and I'm going to tell you, Call of Duty is getting its uh milkshake drink by Grand Theft Auto, like it's just it cannot bust past being like a fine Call of Duty, which sucks because it looks great. 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:04.400 I mean, you know, and it it definitely is not a Black Ops 7 type of Call of Duty, but I don't think it matters this year. 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:16.640 It's just gonna get it's it's oxygen sucks, and part of that's because these Call of Duty dads are not gonna buy Call of Duty this year, they're gonna buy right the title, they're gonna spend a hundred dollars, they're gonna spend it on something they have not played in like a decade. 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:18.480 All right. 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.559 First off, I I have one more question. 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:21.119 Oh, go ahead. 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:22.880 You ask a question, but I have a question for you. 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:24.720 No, you go first. 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:27.920 Um I lost my train of thought. 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.359 I I had a question at the tip of the thought. 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:29.920 Great, you go first. 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:30.319 I'm gonna remember. 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:30.640 All right. 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.599 Well, first off, I wanted to start by saying a well-deserved break from the past. 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:40.960 I've been waiting for the moment where you broke, hoping it didn't happen, but you hit this one point where it's just like I need to take a moment off. 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:45.920 And it sucks because you're gonna see a little bit of your numbers drop, but that's just normal and they'll bounce back up again. 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:46.400 That's it. 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:52.640 I think it's a creator life, it's just always like I need to keep posting, I need to keep posting,
but it's just mentally never enough. 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:59.519 And there's actually a book I was just recommended called Never Enough, and it's that whole idea of like you need to keep going, you need to keep going, but you don't. 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.759 Uh, either way, well-deserved break. 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:07.839 Um, GTA, you asked originally to start your question was what does marketing mean to you? 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:09.519 And then you kind of gave me your idea behind it. 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:11.359 And I think you said it right. 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.759 It's when do I see it on cable TV? 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:22.559 When does the boomer that doesn't watch YouTube or doesn't watch TikTok, when's that normal everyday person, for lack of better words, gonna start seeing, hey, GTA 6 is coming out? 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.839 And I agree with you, football season slash primetime TV. 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:31.200 It's all coming back right now because again, it's my Q4 in my world or the that next season. 00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:35.599 Um, but I think that's the marketing, because again, there's this untapped number. 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:41.440 We don't know what that number of is of individuals that are gonna purchase this once they see it on those channels. 00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:55.759 Um, you mentioned it's gonna eat Call of Duty's lunch, and I'm gonna make an argument that it's not, mostly because GTA is single player out of the gate, and you have the GTA or the COD dads that still want to play COD with their buddies. 00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:04.480 So it's kind of like uh from seven o'clock to nine o'clock, I'm gonna play some COD with my boys, and then nine o'clock onward, I'm gonna play GTA quietly. 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:12.800 I see them having a harmony together, but you're right, one audience is going to be eaten by the other, and the GTA audience will be the one eating everything at this moment. 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:22.880 Yeah, what I say, like I I would have expected Call of Duty, given the look and vibe of Modern Warfare 4, to be Call of Duty return to form A-tier game, right? 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:23.760 Like this kind of happens. 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:31.280 Every time they have a massive down year of Call of Duty, they come back roaring out like crazy, and they have a massive, huge hit in the next Call of Duty. 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:38.239 I just the data right now does not support that right now, it just supports another middling kind of by Call of Duty standards. 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:46.960 Again, most publishers and or developers would take all of the bad years of Call of Duty and run with that because it'd be the most successful game ever produced. 00:34:47.039 --> 00:35:05.199 So this is like Call of Duty's benchmark against itself, and in itself, it's gonna be a down year because while, yes, a portion of those people are still gonna play it, a portion of those people are also more price
sensitive or more elastic to what's happening in the market, and they're going to save their interest for what's gonna be GTA. 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:06.480 And this is every game this fall. 00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:09.840 The closer you are to grand theft auto, the hard it is to be breaking through. 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.199 Um it's a shame. 00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.280 I was in uh I was in Detroit this weekend and I flew home late Sunday. 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:23.280 I got home and I realized that the Call of Duty beta was still going on, so I was able to download it and get like a few games, and I was pumped because I thought I was gonna miss it all. 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:24.800 It's a well-built game. 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.159 I I think it feels like a Call of Duty game in the best way possible. 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:29.679 It doesn't feel outlandish. 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.840 Uh it felt good controlling the guns. 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.480 Like I hope you're wrong, Colin. 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.280 For for Call of Duty's sake, I hope you're wrong. 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:44.400 I I mean about look, I again I I I hope they know this this year and they have like a multi-mulligan. 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:46.079 Like it's what do you do, right? 00:35:46.159 --> 00:36:04.400 Um, at the end of the day, if you're Activision, it's you have to put out this game, but you also know that you're not going to, and you're doing the best thing you can by putting as far away from Grand Theft Auto as you can, but also you ultimately at the whim of the market, which is Grand Theft Auto um is going to, you know, it's going to eat your lunch, but it's going to eat everyone. 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:10.320 It's not unique you need to use, you need to every game this fall is just going to see this like suction out, which is what you're seeing. 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.039 And we say all this, Grand Theft Auto is also playing some defense here. 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:23.760 And what I mean by that is what I just kind of spoke about before, is that earlier this week they announced their multiplayer update to the actual Grand Theft Auto online. 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:34.239 So while Grand Theft Auto 6 comes out online or comes out for the single player missions, they're keeping their online community breathing with a brand new update, lots to do in the map. 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:41.920 Meaning they're keeping both core audiences, the ones that only want to play online with their buddies, they're being fed until GTA Online 2 comes out. 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:49.119 And GTA 6 will drop next month or two months, and all of a sudden the single player people that want to eat will be able to eat what they want. 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.599 And I think it's such a great community play by Rockstar. 00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.920 They're feeding both audiences until GTA Online 2 comes out. 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.719 And I think they're going to own everything. 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.480 Well, that just tells you that GTA Online 2 is not coming out the day this game comes out. 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.679 I why would you put out your last major update? 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.880 You know, your last, let's say your biggest new thing. 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:16.719 They like completed the cut, like the um JW Marriott is finally completing Grand Theft Auto V Universe as a casino. 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.920 And it's like, oh, that's great. 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:22.559 Why would you go through all this if if you're gonna rug pull everyone and move it all to GTA Online 2? 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:22.960 You're not. 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:29.920 So it just tells you that the experience that is Grand Theft Auto VI is gonna be staggered, not all at once, and then there's no pressure to do it all at once. 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:38.880 Like they'll make billions on the launch of a single player, and then they can hold back and wait till they're ready andor feel the need to put out Grand Theft Auto online too, right? 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.119 And then Steam is gonna be its own major moment, right? 00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:43.360 These are moments that are baked into this. 00:37:43.599 --> 00:38:02.639 This like it's not just a one beat for Grand Theft Auto 6, it's going to be probably a multi-year beat-by-beat plan by Grand Theft Auto to both migrate people off GTA Online part one to part two or whatever the next thing is, but also you know, justify the billion-dollar investment in this game, reportedly, that's been put into it so far. 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:04.480 But you know, that that's that's that. 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:10.559 So it's not if you're a game company out there and you're thinking, like, oh, we just have to survive November and we will get to the other side. 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.880 I'm like, I would I would not I would not expect that to be true. 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.199 I would I would look at Rockstar as what are they gonna do after the release of the single player game? 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:27.039 Because that's what I consider the November releases to be single player Grand Theft Auto for everything else to come after that, it's not a one-shot done. 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:28.559 It's uh funny. 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:37.760 We uh we we clearly state single player Grand Theft Auto and multiplayer Grand Theft Auto is coming later, and we both say that's a smart move and a good move. 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:45.519 And uh my my latest TikTok got about 150 comments, and everyone was so angry at us for saying this is how it's always been done. 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:52.639 This is like I know this is we're just saying how it's being done, and it's funny how outraged the uh the internet gets it. 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.079 Mostly you, you're the uh the hotel, as we call it. 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.239 Oh no, the internet hates me. 00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:02.159
Gosh, hate's a strong word, they just really, really don't like you. 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.199 Am I the skip baylist of this? 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:06.480 Like, I just feel so bad. 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:14.480 Um until future podcasts uh start with uh others. 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.559 Um what do you think? 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.840 Do you think do you did you get interested in the online uh kind of the uh the updated GTA 5 online? 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:26.400 Like the the the kind of the the were you like that's cool that they're doing it, or you kind of like it? 00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:34.800 No, I mean I think it's I'm not I've played GTA Online when it first came out when I had a 360, so it's been a decade since I've touched it. 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.440 Uh it's not anything exciting enough to pull me in. 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.920 If it's a world that I lived in, I'd be super pumped. 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:46.880 I feel like it's a brand new texture update for like a game that you've played for years, and like I think GTA 5 has done a lot of cool things recently. 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:52.159 I think they just upgraded everyone who's ever bought it to like the series, the the pro HD one. 00:39:52.320 --> 00:40:04.000 So like I think they're doing a lot of good things for their community now, and I would be pumped if I was still in that universe to go explore it, go have fun again, because it still runs neck and neck with some of the best games we have today. 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:05.679 I mean, yeah, and that's the other thing. 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.559 I'll and we can end this on this on this the section on this. 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:16.320 It's like all the reports of people who actually went to Rockstar to play Grand Theft Auto are like, you don't understand how this deep this game is. 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:17.440 Like that's everything I saw. 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:23.440 People that got their hands on the game, like the uh kind of funny team and whatnot, are just like, this is insane. 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:33.039 Like, this is putting game development so far ahead, the R6 has now moved so far ahead that people will be chasing Grand Theft Dotto, what they've done for years. 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:41.440 You know, I I hope that's true, but we're also living in a world where your influencer is being flown somewhere to test something or see something. 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:48.480 So so how yeah, I get that, but like I I'm more looking at from the journalist class. 00:40:48.559 --> 00:41:21.920 I if look, if that car go back to that car, if that car chase sequence is how every every car chase sequence is in Grand Theft Auto where you could seamlessly jump between driver and gunner, and you're popping tires and watching unique like red doll mechanics for every car flip, then yeah, uh I've never seen that in a game before where it's not like I think people's concerns are is this a is this a naughty dog slash insomniac games like you know, style press X, press Y, cinematic like kind of uh sequence versus actual gameplay. 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:29.599 And if it's actual gameplay, like you're playing it in a live environment and things could go differently with each playthrough, then that's a whole different game, dude. 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:30.480 That's a good ball. 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:33.599 I think that's what that statement like it looks like Grand Theft Auto. 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:34.960 I think that's what it means. 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:39.840 Like you just got your janky looking HUD where you can run around and you just feel the way you feel. 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:48.559 Like, even when he uh the uh they showed him playing basketball, I was like, all right, like I could see some of the influences from 2K and how they built this. 00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:54.880 Like you can see that they're gonna go deep here uh on a lot of these mechanics and a lot of their learnings over the years. 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.480 Yeah, and like all the naysayers out there, I will give you this. 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.760 Is the main character dude feel like a wet noodle right now? 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:02.960 Yes, he does. 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:06.639 Um, it he is he is the most underwhelming part of the whole thing. 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.400 It's like, man, you're you have no personality, do you, dude? 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.960 Like Lucia, personality. 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.079 She stabbed someone in the eye with a stiletto and threw him down the elevator shaft. 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:17.119 Like, that's awesome. 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.159 The dude, wet noodle, dude. 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:21.840 Like, am I not supposed to play as you? 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.400 Yeah, uh he's hiding something. 00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:27.840 Uh maybe, maybe he's the one that betrays Lucia and she's the point of view character. 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.119 We'll see, though, right? 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:34.320 All right, and like and by the way, anyone who doesn't like the story of Grand Theft Auto, look, it's Scarface. 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.639 It's the story of Scarface, it's every Grand Theft Auto. 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.039 It's the rise of a criminal and the kind of fall-ish of a criminal. 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.880 That's the story of every Grand Theft Auto we have. 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:44.639 It's Scarface, the plot of Scarface. 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.800 You watch the rise and the fall. 00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:47.519 It's good, fellas. 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.760 Rise and fall, rise and fall, rise and fall, right? 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:59.199 It's the story, it's the narrative structure of Grand Theft Auto is basically all the major crime films that are made, and I expect it to follow the same like plot by plot B. 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.760 Rinse and repeat and repeat. 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:03.440 Well, people love these
stories, man. 00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.880 Like, why do you have to reinvent the story that people love to watch? 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.039 No, it's not a bad thing at all. 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:10.719 Not a bad thing at all. 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:18.159 But let's talk about a game that you believe is going to be eaten by GTA, despite me trying to will it not to. 00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.320 We're going to be talking about a game called Stage Tour. 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:27.280 For those of you who don't know Stage Tour, it's brought to you by a company called Red Octane. 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:40.320 That's best known for their guitar hero days, where they didn't invent the rhythm games, but they really made it mainstream with home peripherals that made everything go crazy, people having fun. 00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:48.719 And I have some core college memories of waking up my roommates by belting I Will Always Love You and any type of song in any of those games. 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:49.519 I had a blast. 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:50.800 And they are coming back. 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:55.599 Uh, I am going to share on screen here if I could figure out how to do this. 00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:56.880 Uh, the set list. 00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.760 And I sent this to Colin, and I want to know Colin. 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.119 What is your ideal playlist that you're going to come out and rock the house with when you come out here? 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.840 Um, I mean, uh I am underwhelmed by the song Choices. 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.760 I am I like the artists, but the song Choices are remains to be desired by me. 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.880 If we were to pick nitpick, that's kind of where my nitpicks come in at. 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.119 Like, um, so number one, I just saw them this week too. 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:24.960 So uh that's funny, is Muse. 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:26.880 I saw Muse this week in the Hollywood Bowl. 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:28.239 So Starlight is number one. 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:28.960 There you go. 00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:30.960 Is that the best Muse song? 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.800 No, but are you retreading Knights of Sedonia if you're gonna put it in this game? 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.440 It was already in Guitar Hero as a memorable song. 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.079 Guy, you kind of feel like it is kind of a bit of a retread. 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:41.280 So I get why. 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:49.199 I mean, and maybe Starlight was in the Guitar Hero rock band games I I didn't play later on as they put out like 15 of them a year, so that's probably very true. 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.280 And you know, correct me on that, but Muse is the standout for me uh on this one. 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.039 So that that's a good song, good artist, a plus choice. 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:03.360 And the rest of it, I'm like, yeah, I mean, I can I can deal with like Danny California from the Red Hatchley Peppers. 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:08.960 Like, okay, yeah, and then that would be a fun one to play, it's got a good riff to it, so sure. 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.039 And then the rest of it, I'm like whelmed. 00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:11.679 What about you? 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:12.480 I welmed. 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:14.480 I am uh I love this man. 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.719 I I will do karaoke for days. 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:18.880 I love your call on Muse. 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:26.559 I didn't think of Knights of Sedonia because no one has 12 minutes to karaoke, but hysteria could be great to be on there. 00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.039 But I had a three music set list. 00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.760 I'd come out with Weezer, Island in the Sun. 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.800 I think that's just a great chill song to get into. 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:39.920 From there, you gotta jump into some Smashmouth with All-Star, which it's a great song. 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.199 You gotta go with Smash Mouth. 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:42.719 Are you seven? 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:44.800 I am seven, yes, Colin. 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:45.440 I am. 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.440 And then I finish off with the ultimate seven-year-old song of The Darkness. 00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:51.039 I believe in a thing called Love. 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.039 Because it is just a perfect way to do it. 00:45:53.199 --> 00:46:00.159 One of the ones that really was pulling at me, and I just couldn't figure a way to make it work, was Tenacious D's Hit Me Baby One More Time. 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.440 Because I think they do a fantastic cover of Britney Spears, and you should check it out if you haven't on YouTube. 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.920 It is super random. 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.480 But I think the return of rhythm games is something that's gonna be so great. 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:16.480 I think people are hanging out more in person and having events together. 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.039 And I feel like there's not many great couch co-op games. 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:30.239 I know we have some great ones that recently came out, uh like It Takes Two and Split Fiction, but something you can pick up, like a guitar hero type of game, is something I feel like you can get a quick party going, getting people started. 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:31.519 And I think it's great. 00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:39.119 So I don't want to go by favorite song by the artist, but the one that I would say is most fun to play as a video game. 00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:40.960 So I want to like distinguish that, right? 00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:44.320 Like that's kind of look at the set list, like Blink 182. 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:45.360 It should be damn it. 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.480 Like that's the most fun song to play, is damn it. 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:54.000 Like I'm you know, so the choice with Blink is like great band, wrong song. 00:46:54.159 --> 00:47:03.519 Um, if I want to zag and I
look at like Fallout Boy, um, I mean, uh uh shoot, what's the song? 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:04.960 I'm trying to like come off the top of my head. 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:06.800 It's the one from uh Dance Dance. 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.280 No, not that one. 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:10.880 Um I'm stumbling on this. 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:12.960 Let me go to my Spotify head open here. 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:13.519 I'll look at it. 00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.239 All my son's been listening to is Fallout Boy and Panic at the Disco. 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:17.920 I want to stab my ears out. 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.039 Oh my gosh, Fallout Boy is great, but like it is great. 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:26.079 If I was zagging, I would have done um I would have done the uh I would have done the Spidey song. 00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.960 Oh mortals, like immortals, like that's good, yeah. 00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:46.000 Yeah, so like I just think like there are more fun songs by these artists to pick, and I'm curious if it's like a rights like cost thing because like you're paying licensing fee for each one of these songs, so it does get out of hand, and there's not even half of it here, so maybe there's multiple songs by multiple artists. 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:46.880 Cool. 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:52.719 Um, but I also feel like it's just kind of again, I go back to Welmed on some of the choices. 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:56.960 Weezer, like there's there's an entire album that's better than Island of the Song. 00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:58.239 Uh no, there's not. 00:47:58.320 --> 00:47:58.960 That's bullshit. 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.960 There's a group it's a it's one of their top-tier songs, top five. 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:06.000 All right, what's your top five weezer songs? 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:12.960 I I need you to go on record on this so I could just kind of give you the side eye, but I want to I want to know what your top five is. 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.159 Come on, someone in the chat here has got to be on my side here. 00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:19.599 Now, to your to your to your credit, I'm looking at Spotify real time. 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.960 Island of the Sun is the right popular song to pick at 1.18 billion. 00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.360 So it is a billion play song. 00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:34.960 But um, as a Weezer purist and snob, I would say the entire blue album is better than anything they've put out since then. 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:44.079 Um, but um Buddy Holly, you know, Sain Ain't So, uh you know My Name is Jonas, which is actually a good rock song. 00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:46.559 Um, to put in a game like this, right? 00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:50.559 I could just go on and on in my gar in the garage. 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.400 Again, you said 1.8 billion streams. 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.519 No, no, it's yeah, the sweater song. 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.119 I hate the sweater song, but it's such a stupid song. 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:05.599 Oh, tick tock this internet come at Greg, he hates the sweater song. 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:06.719 I love Weezer. 00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.079 That song is just so different than everything else, and not in a good way. 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:11.119 TikTok this. 00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:12.239 I don't want this on TikTok. 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:13.280 TikTok this. 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:14.960 I reg is on the record. 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.719 The sweater song sucks. 00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:21.440 Um, which is not the best song on the blue album, but it's not like it's not a terrible song, anyways. 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.039 Where you just come in, the sweater song sucks. 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:26.480 It does not suck. 00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.559 Oh, see, look at you doing editing things. 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.639 Um, are there bands you're missing? 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.280 So I think part of the challenge, so I think it's great. 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.639 They released this game in December, they're closing trying to make it the Christmas game. 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:41.760 I have members of buying the original rock band and playing with my family at Christmas time, so could work out, right? 00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:50.239 I think with like this kind of game is more like this genre of music that you know is popular in general. 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:55.760 So like rock, rock has uh not been on good times for the last decade, right? 00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:02.639 Um now it is making its it's kind of like making its comeback under the guise of country rock now. 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:14.079 So country is kind of like eating the kind of zeitgeist that was rock, but like there's no modern rock band since the 2000s and maybe early 2010s. 00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:24.239 Who who come come talk to me about the I I get like the rumor right now that Tamin Paula is gonna headline Coachilla, and I'm like awesome. 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.400 Tamin Paula was a band from a decade ago. 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:34.400 Maybe I look more in the indie scene, but there's Milky Chance, there's Glass Animals, there's a lot of good stuff out there. 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:40.800 I'm gonna say again, a lot of the bands that are quote unquote big or kind of known are also from the millennials. 00:50:40.880 --> 00:51:06.719 Like, I just this is rock's problem in the 2010s, and this is gonna get me killed on the internet, but like it just bottomed out in interest for reasons both with like the lack of the style of music, how music gets played now with Spotify being kind of the main driving force behind it, the old catalog being better than what's coming out now, so having infinite access to every rock song that's ever existed versus being the new rock song that's trying to penetrate that is really hard, man. 00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.239 Like, really, really hard. 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:18.960 And I you you know, uh, you're in a we're now in a world
where you know I see Muse and they host the Hollywood Bowl, and that's cool. 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:23.679 I mean, Olivia Rodrigo, I guess, kind of does stuff with guitar, would probably be the one that sticks out in my brain. 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:25.679 It's like, okay, maybe she's great. 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:40.480 Yeah, but we're not in the era of like, you know, like uh Black Keys, like you know, playing Massive Arenas, followed by, you know, and all um um Kings of Leon right after that. 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:46.880 Like, we're just not in the era where like these rock bands are like owning the world is I and even going back to the 90s, like close to that. 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:52.000 We're in an era where it's all a mix of multiple genres, right? 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:58.880 Um, more globalist in nature, and I just like I don't know, a game like this is very much relying on nostalgia. 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:00.559 Um, I love Slipknot, it's awesome. 00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:08.719 They do sell a lot of that shows, so wrong song from Slipknot to be known, to be fair, but Slipknot would be a lot of fun to play in a game like this. 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.760 But they're also from the 90s, dude. 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.039 Yeah, but who's buying and who's singing it? 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:17.920 Who's buying the songs or who's singing the song? 00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:33.599 Oh, like yeah, I mean, you're basically this game is its upside, is the fact that much like Spotify is dominated by back catalog music, um, this game's catalog will be dominated by stuff from the infinite amount of music that came out before now, right? 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:35.360 Doesn't necessarily need a lot now. 00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:55.280 My just concern is that the style of music that's generally popular is just not rock in general, like it was in the 2000s during the heyday guitar here, where rock was on par with like hip-hop as like the dominant force of music, and you have the the indie slash the the bands like uprising with like the white stripes, the strokes, the hives, the killers, right? 00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:05.280 The the bands that kind of just came up in the 2000s, um, that kind of galvanized, and like a lot of those songs became incredibly popular because of Guitar Hero, like France Fernandin, right? 00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:10.800 And they take me out was a huge hit because it was like the song in the commercial from Guitar Hero. 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:12.320 I think they remember this. 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:14.800 Yeah, soundtracks were great back then. 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.639 Movies or the games, just the commercials that came out with them. 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:22.960 I mean, I remember the Gears 2 commercial, the uh Donnie Darko song. 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.119 It's just like and we lost that art. 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:33.840 I made this point last week when I uh was talking about this and like the kind of upswing in like um Elderbrook and the uh Bob Moses song that was played at the end of the Grand Theft Title. 00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:40.880 Like, it reminded me like, oh yeah, there used to be songs at the end of these like trailers that were hooks to like listen to the song and then recall the trailer. 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:45.840 And Anata did the same thing with um with their end of the trailer, and like you just don't see that anymore. 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:54.079 It's like uh not to overuse the term slop, but you see orchestra slop now, just kind of in every game trailer, it's just like bland orchestra music that kind of plays throughout. 00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:55.119 You're like, okay, cool. 00:53:55.280 --> 00:54:06.639 I don't remember that song is a hook, and I don't think uh putting a banger song at the end of like uh Elder Scrolls or Elder Ring or whatever or any soul board slop game that's out there is that good idea either. 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.559 It doesn't really fit the genre, but I also think it goes underutilized today, too. 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.079 Like I'm gonna go back to my college days, okay? 00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:14.480 Right? 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:18.800 I'm sitting there in college watching 24 with my roommates because that's what we're doing. 00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:25.920 Because you know, every teenage boy is probably watching 24, so you stick the Gears of War commercial there where everyone's watching it. 00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.239 Now the attention is spread everywhere, right? 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:36.400 It's like, all right, if you're gonna make this grand, grandiose trailer to a game and it's not a 26-minute Netflix trap, where do you put it to capture that attention? 00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:37.360 How do you do that? 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:44.239 It's just we're too widespread rather than narrow focused on a single platform where I think it doesn't make the same type of impact. 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.760 Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, I mean, I get it, I get it, I get it, but I also think it helps you break through too. 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:50.960 So I don't know. 00:54:51.199 --> 00:55:12.400 I I showed the data, uh, the song from I went on like Spotify stream growth tracker thing, and like the the the uh Elderbroke, like a uh Bob Moses song, um in her like saw a 6X jump in Daily Listens and went from like hovering around like 100k listens to about a million listens per day since the GTA trailer uh Netflix special drop. 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:16.719 So it works, it works for those artists, and it probably works for the game, yeah. 00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:17.599 So not nothing. 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:30.639 I'm just gonna and maybe Grand Theft Auto 6 is not only gonna save console games, not only save triple A games, it's gonna save music and games and bring a boom to a bunch of artists who get to be on the GTA 6 soundtrack. 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.199 But will it save Florida, Colin? 00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:49.360
Oh man, I look, they'll never show it in the trailer, but I am so hopeful that we get a giant central theme park based somewhere in the island, like where they're clearly making fun of Universal and Disney, because like I you can't have Florida without that. 00:55:49.519 --> 00:56:06.960 You think Ricky Rat running around, just kind of like yeah, they're gonna see they're gonna I I just have to assume that like in some part of that island, once you get past the Everglades, there's going to be an area that's like a theme park, a giant family theme park area where you also commit crime and do things. 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:11.360 But just feels like that's a natural it just should be there, and I hope it is. 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:22.480 Oh, they don't have to make it Disney, they just make it universal, like you didn't just make it a like a generic family-ish friendly theme park and uh the jokes. 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.039 Like everyone that thinks says the game is humorless. 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:27.039 I'm like, I can't imagine it's gonna be humorless. 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:28.719 The first show they had all the humor in the world. 00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:29.920 How does anyone know? 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:35.039 They looked at a 26-minute video of gameplay, of gameplay. 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.159 Colin, you're taking on this week off from patch notes. 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:41.199 Let us know what you're getting into this weekend, where people can find you. 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.360 I'm taking time off to do America things. 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:48.320 We get five American holidays, and we're taking one of our five American holidays this weekend with Labor Day. 00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:50.239 So let's take the time and enjoy ourselves. 00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:57.519 But uh past that, uh, I'll be back at Patch Shows the following week so you can find me on LinkedIn and on Patch Shows, Substack, LinkedIn newsletter. 00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:03.519 I'm so jealous that they have a ranking of gaming newsletters, and I'm like, I'm bigger than a lot of these people, but I'm just stuck on LinkedIn. 00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:09.360 So please follow me on Substack as I try to grow that beyond a kind of feeder ground for my follow-up newsletter. 00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:10.400 Um, but yeah. 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:12.320 Follow Colin on Substack. 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:13.599 You can find it on our website. 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.320 We link directly to it, but check out player given. 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:24.320 Send questions to Greg, DM him in Discord, on LinkedIn, on wherever he is, his socials, DM him. 00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:31.199 We love to answer questions and input from people that actually listen to this, either on any platform to kind of QA some things. 00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:34.639 I I know people want to argue me, so please just tell him your questions. 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:36.000 He'll he'll do his best. 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:37.599 Come fight with Colin. 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.719 It's uh it's a great perk of being part of the Discord. 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.840 Uh, we'll have all the information we spoke about at player driven. 00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:45.840 Colin, as always, thank you so much. 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.719 I hope you have a great rest of your Thursday for everyone listening, joining. 00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:50.480 Thanks a lot, and we'll catch you next week. 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:51.039 Awesome. 00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:51.679 See you guys. 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:52.320 Bye.
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