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High Crime Donkeys, It's Brett and I have big news.
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One of my favorite seasonal shows, Counterclock, is back with
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a brand new season and it is wild. Host Dilia
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Deambra is digging into the two thousand and eight Lane
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Bryant murders. I mean, this isn't just a recap, it
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is a reinvestigation. She's talking to law enforcement people from
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the community, even sources who have never spoken publicly until now.
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And you know, I love a show that asks all
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the questions. Listen to Counterclock season eight now wherever you
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Podcasts, high crime junkies. I'm your host Ashley Flowers and
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I'm Frit And today's story is about a young girl
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from the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, a girl who
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would have been thirty two years old now if her
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life hadn't been cut short in the most unexpected and
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cruel way.
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Now.
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May fifth is Missing and Murdered Indigenous Person's Awareness Day,
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and as many of you know, violence against Native Americans
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and Alaska Natives continues to be an ongoing, overwhelming national
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crisis that has yet to slow down. And although the
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numbers keep rising, the lack of awareness and justice remains.
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So we're going to be sharing a story today, but
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we didn't want to stop there, so tomorrow we're also
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going to be releasing a bonus episode that will feature
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five different cases of missing and murdered Indigenous people that
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still need answers. And though this doesn't begin to scratch
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the surface of the thousands upon thousands of other cases
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that remain open and unsolved, we're hoping it's a start
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to highlighting the injustice that these communities continued to face.
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And we hope that it encourages you crime junkies to
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help us in spreading the awareness. But to start, I
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want to tell you the story of Brittany Locklear. On
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a cold Wadnesday morning in January of nineteen ninety eight,
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Connie Chaves and her five year old daughter, Brittany make
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the nearly two hundred yard walk from their front door
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to the end of their driveway to wait for the
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school bus. According to reporting by Laura Aarinshield with the
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Fayettville Observer, Brittany is all bundled up tight in her
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little red riding hood coat. They live in rural Hope County,
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North Carolina, outside of a small city called Rayford. So
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this isn't your stereotypical suburban neighborhood. I mean, the driveway's
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a hike, like I said, two hundred yards long, and
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the closest neighbor is somewhere within eyeshot, although it's a
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distance and the.
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View can be obstructed.
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So they get out there, and as they're standing there waiting,
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Connie realizes that she's gotta go. She makes the split
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second decision to leave Brittany there to wait for the
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bus on her own now. Normally she watches her get on,
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but I mean, for real, she has gotta go, and
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the bus is supposed to be there by now, so
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it should be coming any second, though she doesn't see
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it coming down the road, but it might just be
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running late. So I imagine in that moment she tells Brittany, like, listen,
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be right back, and if the bus hasn't come to
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get you by the time I get back, I will
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keep waiting with you. It only takes her a couple
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of minutes to walk into the house, go to the bathroom,
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and walk back out, and when she does, she's actually relieved.
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She told Brittany to stay because she's gone now, which
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means the bus must have come while she was inside, right,
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So she heads back up the driveway one more time
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to start her day, but it's not long before she's interrupted.
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There's someone knocking on her front door, and not a
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casual are you home knock? This sounds urgent. When she
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opens the door, it's her neighbor, Rose Johnson, with a
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look of just straight panic on her face, and the
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words that spill out of Rose's mouth almost don't register
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with Connie. They're so unexpected. She says she thinks that
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Britney got kidnapped. She tells Connie that she just watched
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it happen because she was keeping an eye on her
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own kids from her house as they also waited for
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the bus. I think at the end of their driveway.
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Rose is quoted in the Charlotte Observer saying, I saw
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a truck come flying around the curve and down toward Britney.
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It slowed down quick, and someone hopped out of the
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truck real fast. He bent over like he was picking
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something up, hopped back in the truck and drove out
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of their fast.
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Did she actually see the driver grab Brittany, though.
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Now, I don't think so. She just saw this weird thing.
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And then a few minutes later, the bus comes to
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pick up her kids, and she realizes that the bus
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didn't stop at Britney's house. So that's when it all
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kind of clicked into place for her. She realized what
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she had actually witnessed. So that's when she comes like
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running over to Connie's.
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Has anyone called the police yet, I don't know.
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I think maybe Rose has is a little bit muddy,
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And I'll tell you why I think that in a second.
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But either way, so she runs to tell Connie. Connie
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is trying not to spiral because before she calls police,
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she has someone actually drive her to the school where
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they wait for Britney's bus. I mean, they're moving so
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fast they get there before the bus, and she's hoping
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to reassure herself whoever's driving her that Brittany is safe
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and sound. But when the bus finally does arrive, Britney
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is not on it. And it's not like her bus driver,
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a woman named Nancy, didn't notice her absence at the
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bus stop. She did, but she just assumed Britney's mom
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and stepdad had taken.
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Her to school.
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So for her to get there and see Connie there waiting,
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everyone is on the same page like this is not good,
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and everyone agrees that it is time to call this in.
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Connie calls nine to one one to report Britney missing.
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And this is why I say, I think Rose might
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have already called, because according to MICHAELA. Muck for WNCT,
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the operator tells her that she's not the first person
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to call about it. So I don't know if it
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was Rose, I don't know if it was someone else
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that Connie might.
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To me, it seems like it would have been Rose,
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but again that's not actually stated well.
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Rose or not. I assume her description of the truck
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and stuff eventually gets to the police.
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It does, and not even just the truck like the
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guide too, because even though she was inside watching from
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her own house, her kids were out there on the driveway,
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so they actually saw it all go down too. They
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think that the guy they saw was a white guy.
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And what they described to the Hope County Sheriff's office
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is this brown truck with a rack of overhead lights,
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which I don't think comes standards, so that could be
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super helpful and narrowing it down something that could set
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this brown truck apart from all the other brown trucks,
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Mean, unless the guy is smart enough to take these
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lights down.
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Well yeah, and I know that that detail does get
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publicized eventually.
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That's how I know about it.
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So when they first get this information from the witnesses,
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they're basically in a race to find him before he
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changes too much, before he knows that they know what
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they do. HCSO gets a massive search effort up and going.
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Almost immediately.
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They get dozens of deputies started on the land search,
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and the State Highway Patrol even gets a chopper with
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an infrared camera up in the air, which gets grounded
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before long because of the wind. But they also send
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a deputy and an agent from the North Carolina State
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Bureau of Investigation or SBI, out to Pembroke, about thirty
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minutes from Rayford, to go check the home of Britney's
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biological dat According to reporting in the Rocky Mount Telegram,
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he's been mia since she was born, so they don't
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think that it's likely he was the one to come
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pick her up. But I mean, they wouldn't be doing
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their jobs if they didn't at least check him out,
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right right, Yeah, And it's not clear what he tells investigators,
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but whatever it is, they're satisfied by the end of
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the interview that he had nothing to do with her kidnapping,
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though I'm sure on some level everyone was probably hoping
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he was involved that maybe at the end of the
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day this was a messy custody dispute.
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I mean, I don't know anything about.
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This guy, but at least they would know where to
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look if that was the case, right right, right.
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It's still be messy it's still be bad, it's still
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be very scary, but you would know we're shit starting pointant, Yeah,
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it's something. Well, he may not have given them any.
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Clues as to where to look, but it doesn't take
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long for ground searchers back near Rayford to find one
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an ominous clue at that Around nine am that morning,
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this would be January seventh, flashes of pink and green
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and purple catch the eyes of some searchers in the
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woods a few miles from Britney's home. When they get closer,
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they see that what caught their eye was a child's
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purple backpack, some sneakers, and a small pair of green overalls,
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the same ones that Brittany had picked out to wear.
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To school that day, just a few hours earlier.
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So they immediately like span out all over the area
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looking for any additional signs of Britney's things or Britney herself.
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Hour after hour.
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Passes with nothing. It's almost like these things were just
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dropped there. So the question is was Britney there and
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then taken with whoever discarded those items were.
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There wasn't any blood on these items or anything, right.
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Nothing has been reported like that, no, So I think
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everyone is still really hopeful, but their hope dwindles with
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the daylight, and eventually they're forced to call off their
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searches until the next morning. By then, Hope County Sheriff
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Wayne Bird has recruited as many as three hundred ground searchers.
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I mean he's got sheriff's deputies, obviously, but also officers
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from other agencies, doc employees, soldiers from Fort Bragg, firefighters,
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and community volunteers. Even Brittney' stepdad, Charles gets out there,
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although Connie is too distraught to participate. Now more clothing
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is found on Thursday, presumed also to belong to Brittany,
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but before they can even confirm that it's hers, one
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officer makes a terrible discovery. Mikaela Muck reports for WNCT
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nine that it's about two PM when Britney's unclothed body
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is found submerged in water in a drainage ditch just
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a few miles.
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From her home.
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Now, there are no apparent gunshot wounds or puncture wounds,
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or any indication that she'd been tied up. But on Friday,
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the day of her autopsy, the sheriff confirms what everyone
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already feared that she had been sexually assaulted. The Emmy
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office also finds that she died by drowning, although this
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fact isn't disclosed to the public for months. In fact,
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Night Chamberlain reports in the News and Observer that it's
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at a primary campaign event in March for his re
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election as sheriff that Sheriff Bird finally confirms this, saying, quote,
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she was held under water until she drowned. I think
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she was drowned right where we found her. End quote.
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Hold up, I'm sorry he discloses this at a campaign event.
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Yeah, held it, held it until that moment, which feels gross, right,
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And yeah, it won't be the last time that her
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death is used as campaign fodder.
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Just wait, But I don't want to jump too far
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ahead of ourselves.
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By Friday, January ninth, the FBI and the SBI have
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been brought in to assist the Hope County Sheriff's office,
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and the FBI even offers up experts from its child
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abduction and serial killer unit. They set up dedicated tip lines,
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and boy do tips come in. Reporting in the Herald
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Sun indicates that throughout Friday they're getting as many as
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thirty calls per hour, and then another fifteen hundred calls
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come in over the weekend, which I mean, we we
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know all too well.
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It's like this is a blessing and a curse because
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great people are talking about it, people are providing information.
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that cracks the case wide open.
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to figure out which one that is right.
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Some are just dead ends that take up time and resources,
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and you don't know which is which until you run
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every single one down.
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an inventory of sex offenders in the area. Yeah, if
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they haven't started that already.
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Yeah, done and done.
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But as one FBI agent says in the news and record, quote,
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we don't have anyone within our crosshairs. We're just settling
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in for the long term here end quote. And mind you,
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this is just Saturday, three days after she initially went missing,
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and they're already talking about settling in for the long term.
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Though by Sunday, the eleventh, they'll be singing a different
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tune because that's when an investigator passes a guy driving
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a brown truck on the very road Britney was abducted from.
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me and my team on the Deck have been traveling
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wherever you get your podcasts. When the officer sees this
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brown truck, he makes a quick U turn to pull
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the guy over for a little chat. But the driver
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of the truck doesn't pull off to the side of
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the road like he's supposed to. Instead, there's a little
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bit of a chase.
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MM, tell me you've got something to hide without telling
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me you've got something to hide.
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Right, And when he finally does pull over, he's gotten
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underwhelmed explanation for why he fled.
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The guy says he was late for work.
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Cool, He's about to be a lot more late for work.
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Yeah, I know.
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He does get hauled in for questioning, obviously, and he
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spends the next six hours being grilled by investigators he
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does consent to a search of his house and his truck,
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which Sheriff Bird says in the News and Observer they
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dismantled searching for evidence, but in the end they are
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pretty sure he's not their guy.
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I guess.
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So this is where like again these like older cases,
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you just get stuff that's so spotty. They never really
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say for sure. All Sheriff Bird says is quote after
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several hours, we determined there was no reason to hold him,
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and there is no reason to think we will bring.
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Him back in again.
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End quote. The same day they have to let their
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first real person of interests go awake, is held with
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a whopping four thousand people in attendance.
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Wow.
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Same thing at the funeral the next day. And I
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can't help but think that many of the attendees from
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the community probably see their own kids in Brittany. You see,
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she was part of the Lumbee tribe of North Carolina,
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which has deep, deep roots in the local community. Hope
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County is among a cluster of counties in Lumbee Tribal Territory,
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and according to an episode of the Red Justice Project podcast,
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eleven percent of Hope County is comprised of members of
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the Lumbee tribe at this time, and the figure is
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even higher in some of the adjacent counties. Now, we'd
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be here for weeks if I tried to fill you
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guys in on the full history of the Lumbee tribe,
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but you should at least know this.
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They show up.
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They were almost single handedly responsible for driving the KKK
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out of the area in the late fifties, and that
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was at a standoff that came to be known as
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the Battle of Hayes Pond. And just as they came
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out in drove to protect their community in the fifties,
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they come out in droves to honor Brittany.
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Now.
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Investigators are placed strategically in the crowd to observe the mourners,
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looking out for any odd behavior, but it doesn't seem
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like they spot anybody of interest, although Sheriff Bird does
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ask the local TV stations for copies of their footage
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of the event so that it can be reviewed for
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anything they might have missed in the moment. Later that day,
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two more brown pickup trucks are pulled over and their
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drivers are brought in for questioning. But just like the
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guy from the day before. They're released when investigators are
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satisfied that they weren't involved. Then there's another truck that
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ends up being a wild use chase too, one that
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they got a tip on saying that it was abandoned
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in the woods in Lancaster, South Carolina. But Sheriff Bird
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personally makes the two hour trek to check that out himself,
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and yet again it's determined not to be involved. All
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the while, investigators continue interviewing registered sex offenders in the area,
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even considering a possible link to a few recent unsolved abductions,
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one in North Carolina and one as far away as Texas.
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It seems like until they rule something out, every possibility
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is in. Britney's mom and stepdad, Connie and her husband Charles,
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know that they're basically suspects by default, and they ask
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to sit for polygraph so that they can be ruled out,
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and they also provide voluntary hair and blood samples, and
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Night Chamberlain reports for The News and Observer that this
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is enough for Sheriff Bird to knock them off his
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suspect list.
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You said they provided voluntary hair and blood samples. Does
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that mean investigators might have a DNA profile of their part.
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I don't think they have the profile yet, but the
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SBI tell Sheriff Bird that they got enough material from
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the Emmy's office to build one, so it's like a
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work in progress.
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So I think they're just kind of.
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Ruling them off based on the polygraph and the fact
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that they were even willing to you know what I mean.
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Right, They're like asking to be ruled out right now.
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Meanwhile, the FBI has compiled a suspect profile outlining some
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behaviors that people should be on the lookout for, and
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I mean they're mostly common sense things. I mean, you
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can probably guess them from watching enough Criminal Minds episodes.
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Right, like changing appearance, drinking more or less than usual,
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being stressed out for no reason, like just odd off behavior.
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Yeah, missing worker school, getting the heck out of Dodge,
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is selling this vehicle that everyone's looking for, especially if
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it's a brown truck. So I mean they're putting this
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out and if someone who knew the guy was paying attention,
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it might help. But I mean it is a little vague,
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and it's possible that no one is paying attention because
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investigators aren't having any luck zeroing in on a potential suspect,
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until that is, they catch wind of a rumor that's
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been making its way through town, a rumor involving someone
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entrusted not only with Britney's care, but with the care
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of countless other children as well. And this rumor has
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everyone asking if there is a wolf in sheep's clothing
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hiding among them in plain sight. The person at the
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center of this rumor is none other than the principle
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of Britney's elementary school, a man named George Marston. George, who,
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by the way, was even quoted in early reporting on
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the case saying he passed to Brittany at the bus
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stop every morning as he drove to work.
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Dude, way to place yourself at the crime scene.
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It gets worse.
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Foonery reports for the Charlotte Observer that the rumors started
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soon after Brittany was found when quote a front page
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story in the Fayetteville Observer Times about how her school
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was coping mentioned that Marston sometimes picked up Brittany and
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brought her with him, which is super sus Yet now,
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to be fair, George swears he was misquoted in the
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same article. He explains that he wasn't saying he did
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take Brittany to school. He was saying that he quote
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often thought of taking Brittany to.
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School and quote I don't like that one either.
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I don't either, Also, because like, how many other kids
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were you passing on your way to school? And maybe
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he was thinking about taking all of them, But all
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that's mentioned is Brittany.
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The context, I know, it sounds great.
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He says that he never did it, though, be because
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it's against school policy.
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Uh, yeah, obviously, I know.
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Well either way, I actually do think he's telling the
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truth about being misquoted. I still don't like the real
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quote he's saying or whatever. But Connie says there's no
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way he could have taken Brittany to school because she'd
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always watched Brittany get on the bus except for those
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few minutes in the morning she was taken, and Sheriff
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Bird says that while everyone is considered a suspect, George
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isn't at the top of their list. So he I
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think what she's saying is like he could have never
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taken her to school in the past because she's like,
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I watched her again on the bus every single day.
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I'm always there. Yeah, this one time, I wasn't et cetera,
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et cetera. So does this George guy have a brown truck?
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No, not a brown pickup, not any pickup for that matter.
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But Jriff Bird and his team obviously took the rumors
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somewhat seriously because investigators did interview him not once but twice.
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Though again they landed at George isn't at the top
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of their suspect lists. For the next few months, it's
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more of the same. They get a couple of leads
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about sex offenders driving trucks that potentially match the one
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seen by witnesses. One guy who lives about an hour
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and a half north in Alamance County actually ticks a
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lot of boxes, except it's determined that he wasn't anywhere
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near Hope County the morning that Brittain was taken. By
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May of that year, investigators have worked roughly two thousand leads,
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including a false confession out of South Carolina, but all
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in all, they have little to show for it. Then
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there's a tip that comes in that month about someone
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specific that actually gets everyone pretty excited. Sheriff Bird says
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this person is their best suspect so far. He's a
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white guy the right age between twenty five to forty.
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He drives a brown pickup truck. He even lives nearby,
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although not in Hope County. In the News and Observer,
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Sheriff Bird says he quote fits four of the six
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criteria we have developed as a suspect profile for this case.
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End quote.
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And then he goes so far as to say that
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quote if he fits just one more, I'll charge him.
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And this gets everyone's hopes up, including Britney's family. But
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yet again, either there was no fifth characteristic that lined up,
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or they found something that excluded him, because he is
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never charged, and the reporting on that suspect, whoever it was,
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kind of just drops off. Sheriff Bird said in June
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that he asked SBI to take the lead on that
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suspect because he lived outside the county, and then that's
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the last we hear of it. Now there is a
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big shakeup for the case at the end of the
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year because that re election bid. You know that Sheriff
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Bird made well, he ends up losing.
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So you're telling me his strategy of dropping major case
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developments that campaign events didn't actually pay off.
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Yeah, didn't work for him, and so on December eighteenth,
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a new sheriff named Jim Davis is sworn in, and
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similar to it often happens when there's a new sheriff
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in town, there can be like this, like cleaning of house,
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if you will, like all new people brought in, which
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means a bunch of people who know nothing about the
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cases that are open and active. By January of nineteen
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ninety nine, the entire investigation is turned over to and
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run by the SBI, though by the end of the
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year HGSO will be looped back in on the investigation.
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But now SBI's Special Agent Fred McKinney isn't exactly subtle
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about his opinion of Sheriff birds management of the case.
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He says that all Sheriff birds boasting about potential persons
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of interest scared off some people that they've been hoping
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to interview. He also says his team is reviewing all
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of the work that's been done so far and doing
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their own evaluations of what and who is credible and
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just how deeply they're digging becomes apparent in April of
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that year when they basically tell the public to disregard
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everything they've heard so far about that guy in the truck.
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What do you mean, disregard everything like the guy in
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the truck didn't really happen.
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Well, the initial witness reports describe a white guy and
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a brown truck, but Lee Dyer reports in the Charlotte
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Observer that that might be wrong, that the guy could
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be white, or he might not be and his brown truck.
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I mean, maybe it wasn't brown after all. Maybe it
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was tan. Heck, maybe it was blue or red. It
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seems like they're trying to get people to think outside
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of the box, maybe to get witnesses to come forward
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who were talking themselves out of saying something before because
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the information they had wasn't exactly right. But even this
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doesn't seem to bring about any new developments, or at
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least none that the public or family have been looped
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in on. So it comes as a huge shock when
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in February of two thousand and one, investigators with the
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HCSO bring Britney's family members in and accuse them of
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being behind her murder. I mean, there's a moment when
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they straight up accuse Connie of killing her daughter, and
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they up the ante with Connie's father in law, who
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was the one to driver to the school that day
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by making him look at autopsy photos and insinuate that
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he is a sexual creditor.
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Where is any of this coming from?
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To be
perfectly honest, it doesn't seem like they have
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much of anything. I mean, like I said, they weren't
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talking much to the public in those last couple of years.
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But I mean, they haven't said much about this afterwards,
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either to tell us what led them there or what.
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So they're just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see
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what sticks.
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Yeah, which I mean when you're like throwing spaghetti and
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your spaghetti is murder accusations toward a grieving mother with
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no proof, like, I don't think you get to be
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as flippant and make no mistake. It does not seem
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like much is sticking. So when a whole another year
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and a half goes by without any developments and Sheriff
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Davis is about to face his own reelection challenge, he
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decides it's time to throw the entire effing dinner table
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at the wall. Anna Griffin reports for the Charlotte Observer
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that Sheriff Davis holds a press conference in August of
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two thousand and two, saying that he has uncovered a
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giant conspiracy, one engineered from the start by his old
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rival Sheriff Bird to throw everyone off the real killer's tracks.
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For decades, some cold cases have been reduced to files
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in a cabinet, but not anymore. I'm Ashley Flowers, and
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me and my team on the Deck have been traveling
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after decades. Join me every Wednesday as we revive these stories,
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Listen to the Deck now wherever you get your podcasts.
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According to Sheriff Davis, the killer is former Sheriff Bird's son,
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Robin Bird. Now Robin is in prison at the time,
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serving a twenty three month sentence for trying to burn
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down the house of Sheriff Davis's campaign manager.
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Okay, hold up, I'm not really connecting the dots here.
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All I see is a reason why Davis would hate
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Robin Bird.
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Yeah, Well, basically it comes down to a guy this
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witness named Jordash Leech.
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Jordash has a.
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Record of his own, which includes a conviction for armed
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robbery and back in nineteen ninety eight. Jordash was one
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of the witnesses who told investigators he'd seen a white
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guy in a brown truck driving near Britney's bus stop
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right around the time of her abduction. But according to
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Sheriff Davis, that wasn't his original story. I guess his
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original story was that he'd seen Robin in a blue
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truck driving nearby.
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Which makes you wonder, is this why they put out
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that whole like forget what you know about right and
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the driver thing.
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Yeah, but they never said that. We only get this
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story from Sheriff Davis. And he adds that investigators coerced
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Jordash to change his story somehow, and again like the
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details are kind of lacking around this whole thing, and
544
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mostly because Sheriff Davis keeps things pretty vague. He's quoted
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in that same reporting by Anna Griffin saying the original
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investigation was intentionally misdirected by local law enforcement as a
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result of a wide ranging political conspiracy end quote.
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And then he takes it a step further than that.
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He says there wasn't just a conspiracy to cover up
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the murder, the murder itself was the conspiracy.
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Anna goes on in her reporting.
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To explain that quote, David said he believes Brittany's death
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was politically motivated and its inquiry purposely bungled. He noted
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that the girl disappeared two days before candidate filing opened
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for nineteen ninety eight elections, when he ran against Wayne
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burd End.
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Quote. Okay, Ashley, you know I love a conspiracy more
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than a conspiracy theory.
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I'm like the easiest person to convince that it goes
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all the way to the top.
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Right, Like I love to jump on the bandwagon of
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00:28:53.599
stuff like this. However, am I not seeing something? Just
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because two events occurred around the same time in the
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same week or so, doesn't really mean that connected? My wrong?
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Is everyone else buying none on this story?
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No, they're not.
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No one's going out and getting their pitchforks just yet.
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Even former Sheriff Bird is like, okay, like weird flex
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because my son actually never even drove a blue track, Like,
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I don't know all this means. And the SBI basically
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does like a shrug emoji and says that they don't
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know what the Sheriff Davis is going on about. They
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notably decline Sheriff Davis's invitation to attend the press conference.
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Even the DA goes on the record pointing out that
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Jordash is an exactly a credible witness.
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And it would almost be comical if it wasn't.
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So horrific, because we are still again, you want to
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talk about all the madness surrounding this. We are talking
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about a murdered little girl. There is a real grieving
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family involved here. And Connie, I mean, she is there
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at that press conference in person, and she is so
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offended by the whole thing that she stands up and
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walks out after about five minutes and says, Sheriff Davis
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is exploiting her daughter's death for a political campaign. And
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she's not the only one to think that, Anna Griffin notes,
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quote the news conference did have the feel of a
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campaign event, from the buffet of mini donuts and juice
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to the ten minute delay as a deputy struggled to
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straighten a banner bearing the sheriff's name end quote. You
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won't be surprised to hear that this little side show
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goes nowhere. Sheriff Davis doesn't even win his reelection campaign.
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A new sheriff, Sheriff Hubert Peterkin takes office later in
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two thousand and two, and in the summer of two
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thousand and three, the investigation seemingly at a standstill. Ever
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since Sheriff Davis's press conference once again does start picking
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up steam because of an unrelated crime. Police in Carthage,
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North Carolina, about forty five minutes away from Rayford, arrest
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a guy by the name of Keith Douglas Laundry on
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suspicion of armed robbery. And this guy, Keith, he's a
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firefighter at Fort Bragg, which is about thirty minutes away
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from Rayford, or I guess I should say Keith was
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a firefighter at Fort Bragg. The whole armed robbery thing
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kind of ended.
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That right right right well.
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Following his arrest, some of his fellow firefighters are tasked
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with going through his locker on the base. I don't
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know what firefighters normally keeping their lockers, but I'm guessing
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they're expecting to find, like toiletries, a change of clothes,
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that kind of thing. What I don't think they expect
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to find are pictures of a murdered little girl, and
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yet they do.
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This guy has pictures of Brittany.
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He sure does needless to say, none of this sits
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well with the people who find this, and word of
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what they find makes its way back to the sheriff
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and Hcso before long they're executing a searchworn at Fort Bragg.
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Hoe County Chief Deputy Troy McDuffie tells Cindy George. Quote,
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we did conduct a search hoorn on Fort Bragg in
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regards to a subject. He's a firefighter on Fort Bragg,
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but we have not identified him as a suspect. End quote.
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So he's a subject, not a suspect.
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You got it?
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Okay? Why do I feel like I've been having a
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little bit of danjevu right now? Didn't we cover another
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case like kind of recently where some random dude was
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found carrying on a picture of a little girl who'd
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been murdered.
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Yes, but I don't think it's a picture. I think
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it was a newspaper clipping. But it was in our
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episode on the Alphabet Murders, which was like from the
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seventies in Rochester, New York.
632
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Yeah, but like this guy was someone who got arrested
633
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like on the other side of the country.
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Or something for like something else, and then when he's
635
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in custody, he's like carrying on newspaper clippings from about
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Carmen Cologne in her case or whatever.
637
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.039
Yeah, but he like wasn't their guy. He just had
638
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these newspaper clippings.
639
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Yeah, And if I remember, it wasn't even a case
640
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of like, oh, he looks good for it, but we
641
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can't definitely put him in Rochester, like he hadn't been
642
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anywhere near Rochester when Carmen was killed, or in California
643
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or the United States for that matter, like he had
644
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been on deployment in Vietnam.
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Which makes it like worse or weirder at least strange.
646
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Yeah, yeah, I'd like I don't.
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That's the thing that never got explained in that case
648
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is like why did you have it to begin with,
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which brings us back to Keith. Why do you have
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this picture of this murdered girl?
651
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Now?
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Cindy George mentioned something in her reporting that I don't
653
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think is ever confirmed, but it does seem important or
654
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at least relevant. Do you remember how the original shriff
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Sheriff Bird brought a whole bunch of searchers in from
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nearby agencies when Brittany was still just missing. Yeah, there
657
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was like hundreds of them, right, Well, a lot of
658
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them were firefighters, including I think firefighters from Fort Bragg,
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M And has Keith been a firefighter, I was just
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gonna say. And he's been there a long time. He'd
661
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been with the department since ninety two, so there's.
662
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A really good chance he was involved in that ground
663
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search exactly.
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So again I don't know anything about the Carmen Colon
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case or why that guy had her newspaper clippings. There
666
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is it at least a chance that maybe he has
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pictures of Brittany because he searched for her, he was
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affected by the whole thing, and that might be the
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most logical or or the one that I tend to
670
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like jump to. The reason I tend to jump to
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because it takes a whole year. But in May of
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two thousand and four, the HCSO decides to go get
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a DNA sample from Keith when he's in prison, And
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by doing that, I mean by this time they've been
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able to test their sample and get something to compare
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it to, and he's ruled out that he was not
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the one who left the sample Honor in Britney's body,
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and Keith is the last good lead for a long time.
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By two thousand and nine, over a decade after the murder,
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Sheriff Peterkin and his team basically start the whole investigation
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from scratch, and though he says that this will give
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them quote a better visual of what we're dealing with,
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yet another decade passes with no resolution. He's quoted in
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twenty twenty and Michael Futch's reporting for the Asheville Citizen saying,
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it would mean so much When I think about it,
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even though it didn't happen under my administration.
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It makes me tear up. It hurts.
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I can only imagine what it would do for the
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family and the community. This community still holds this case
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close to its heart. It's always good for them to
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know we're working on it. Quote. One thing he's adamant
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about is that Britney's case is not cold. He says
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that his office continues to run down leads all the time.
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Michael Futch even quotes him again as saying what happened
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before doesn't matter. That case is just as important to
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my staff and me as if it happened yesterday. It
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is still a tremendous weight to carry with it not
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being solved. That's why I'm adamant about getting it solved.
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Quote.
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Sadly, Sheriff Peterkin passed away in twenty twenty one, but
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his dedication to solving Britney's case lives on. And maybe
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you have the information investigators are waiting for. If you do,
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please contact
the Hope County Sheriff's Office anonymous tip line
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at nine to one zero eight seven eight one two
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seven nine, or the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation
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at eight eight eight six two four seven two two two.
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Tips can also be submitted online. I mean, we know
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there are so many options with DNA now, I mean,
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if they have a full profile that hasn't gotten a
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hit in code is genealogy testing would be an option.
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So if anyone connected to the investigation or to Britney's
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family is listening, please check out Season of Justice. It
713
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is a nonprofit that will fund the costs of that
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advanced testing, which I know can be prohibitively expensive for
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many departments. I founded the organization a few years ago
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and it's gone on to fund testing for numerous cases
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and some that have since been sold. So again, if
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anyone in her family, if anyone with the agency is
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listening to this. You can get more information at Season
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of Justice dot org. And there is one more amazing
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organization that I want to give a shout out to,
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and that is ocmy Forensics. Ocomy Forensics is an Indigenous
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led organization that provides forensic services to Indigenous families and
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communities affected by the m MIP crisis. From field and
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excavation services to forensic anthropology, lab services and DNA testing.
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Ocomy Forensics is hard at work supporting the search and
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return of missing and murdered Indigenous people, and they could
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use your help. Audio Chuck is supporting ACMEY Forensics in
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link out to in the show notes. You can find
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all the source material for this episode on our website,
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Crime Junkie podcast dot com.
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And be sure to follow us on Instagram at Crime
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Junkie Podcast.
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Don't forget, We'll be back tomorrow with a brand new
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an audio Chuck production, So what do you think, Chuck?
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Do you approve?
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It is truly one of my favorite podcasts right now,
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