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Lisa McGrath: Hi everybody, welcome back to another episode of Devil's Advocate Traits Edition. Had to get that last one in, Michael. Good morning, Michael.
Michael: Yeah, okay. Marty Lisa.
Lisa McGrath: How are you?
Michael: Ready to drink some coffee.
Lisa McGrath: Right? Me too. Mine says I'm fucking over it.
Michael: I don't I don't advertise.
Lisa McGrath: I don't advertise I advertise opinion. Opinion?
Michael: I leave that for here and for people to get mad at me, because I mean there are some people who have been mad, and that's fine.
Lisa McGrath: I know I would love to see these like comments that come at you. I you gotta you
Michael: Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: gotta like put me in the know of some of these comments. Maybe we'll talk about it a bit today. But we are gonna talk about something because this does launch on October seventh, of twenty twenty six, which marks a monumental moment in history in regards to it was Gaza and Israelis and Palestine. And we're gonna kinda talk around this because we had this conversation off. camera because the climate today online is so hateful and so it's it's one of those things where it's not just hateful but the the opinion base the cancel culture the sensitivity the censorship that has to happen so we can't really have opinions in regards to this and you and I also talked about how some restaurants are changing their meat protocol and how that looks. And I don't really have a problem with it, but there are problems that can arise for others. So changing one thing can lead to problems with others. Whereas if you just leave it the way it is, then people can pick and choose. Whereas I'm kind of like, it doesn't really bother me, but then I'm not part of the other religious aspects that would it would impact me. So of course I won't understand. Right. So we have to almost talk in circles. And I think that was kind of what you and I talked about was how, you know, we had this conversation about last time about how we're talking to our families and people you know, in just in and around us and at work about
Michael: Well.
Lisa McGrath: these different things that are creating issues inside of our world, our political climates, how those conversations happen, how not to be hateful, how you can just shut down a conversation peacefully and not have this polarized opinion of someone in your workplace or in your family. And now it's we're going to talk about the other side of that, which is online.
Michael: Yeah, the big the big world, the the bots, the username one, two, seven, five, nine, six, six, blah, blah, blah, weighing in on stuff. You know, which is fine. I mean, that's fine. I mean, I I get a lot of angry stuff and and I'm okay I'm okay with cancel culture. Like I'm actually if you want to cancel me, okay, just you know, don't don't watch my stuff. Don't but the thing is that's why I like our conversations because it is both sides. Typically we're on other sides, but sometimes we find places in the middle. But oftentimes we're we're we're on the other other side of each other. And sometimes it's this way, sometimes it's this way. And that's and that's
Lisa McGrath: Mm.
Michael: okay. And I think when people weigh in and they just react to usually it's a clip, they're not reacting to the full video, right?
Lisa McGrath: Yes.
Michael: And I think people go in for sound bites and headlines and forget to go to the full version. Right. Like so there was a comment on one of yours, like, I'd love to see the reply. Well, you can just go to the YouTube channel and watch the whole thing or listen to the whole thing on Spotify, Apple, whatever. Right. So get the full contacts. Do that with your news. Do that with anything and everything. If you find something interesting enough before you type on something that's, you know, 30 seconds to three minutes long. See whether or not you can get the long form. See whether or not you can get the source that it came from. Was it AP News? Was it independent? Did you check ground to see what what way it's leaning on the writing? Right? Did you look, did you see whether or not it's news or opinion pieces? Right. And people don't take the time to do that because we're just a a consume react culture rather than actually going out and getting the information. Now I'm not saying I go out and get all the information all the time either. And sometimes I react and I let my emotion get into it. But typically I'm robotic and I don't have much emotions, which my exes can tell you. That's, you know, you're a robot. So
Lisa McGrath: You have three emotions, Michael?
Michael: Yeah, yeah, that pretty much. Pretty much. Happy, hungry, angry. That's that's
Lisa McGrath: Happy hunger Is hunger an emotion?
Michael: It can be. Cause hunger can either make you happy or hung hunger can make you angry. So it's kind of like the I don't know, I guess it'd be like the adjective to it. And it's hangry.
Lisa McGrath: Hangry. I'm hangry. Girls get hangry. I've met a lot of people that get hangry. I'm one of them. My daughter's one of them. My daughter's brutal. My son,
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Lisa McGrath: not so much. He gets a little snippy, but my daughter is like Hulk smash if she's hungry. It's bad. But yeah, anyway, that's fair. So I think it's a good I think there's things that we can talk about outside of it, but I think just acknowledging it because of when the podcast drops. is a monumental day. And so I th
Michael: And then by the way, that's not just acknowledging October 7th as a thing. That is a that is a point of a long period of time. So
Lisa McGrath: Mm-hmm.
Michael: it's not just saying October 7th was the thing. It's a thing. And it was something that in in our society where we live now, a lot of people talk about. So it's just recognizing that, okay, it did it happened on this day three years ago. I'm sure there'll be more uprisings and this, that, and the other. And It's a gen multi-generational thing that's maybe happened over
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the last hundred, five hundred, thousand years. I don't know, I don't live there. And to be honest, I've never really looked at it in depth. Because we've got we've got enough to fix at home. that I think we need to you know you need to you know you need to fix your house before you go pointing at something else.
Lisa McGrath: True. But if I'm going to acknowledge the month of October, I'm going to acknowledge it from a more personal aspect, which is I love that. Thank you. Autumn blessings.
Michael: Yeah. Like this, autumn blessings. That's it.
Lisa McGrath: I know. And then you still got the flower and you got the frilly lamp by you. I love the lamp. It makes me happy.
Michael: All the Halloween and autumn things are out. We did it on the weekend, so we've got all that stuff out and yeah.
Lisa McGrath: I love that. I love that. We'll have to get off the podcast and you have to like flash around the camera and show me the house. See see what you
Michael: There you go. Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: guys did. but October is a breast cancer awareness, breast cancer awareness month, and it also cancer awareness month. and being a breast cancer survivor, of course I acknowledge October. My son who plays football will be in pink. most football players do do issue the pink socks or pink gloves, pink helmet. Sometimes we'll put pink on their uniforms. as standing in solidarity with women who have lost their lives or are breast cancer survivors. So I will acknowledge that for the month of October. I always get conflicted when it comes to Thanksgiving. I mean, I grew up with Thanksgiving, but I mean, at the same time it's giving thanks, but at the same time, we all if we all dug into the, and I know Michael's gonna be like, listen here. if we all
Michael: I like it
Lisa McGrath: dig into what Thanksgiving, how it all came about, it's not a super Nice time. The history behind
Michael: No.
Lisa McGrath: Thanksgiving is not, it's different for everybody. For me, I acknowledge the true history behind Thanksgiving, but it doesn't mean I won't sit with my family and give thanks for the things because I think that where people get lost in in some of these things is it is a day that is selected to sit down and not think about your ancestors and not think about some of the things that were horrible. It is a day to be grateful for where you are and what you have. Because too many people have a sense of entitlement and they forget to think that they wake up every day breathing without problems, or even if they do, that they have a good family. If they don't have a good family, they have a good job. If they don't have a good job, pay attention to what is good in your life and be grateful for it. Because you don't, I mean, everybody is where they want to be. I always say that when someone's like, I don't like this, I don't like it. Well, you are where you want to be. Because if you weren't there, because if you don't like it that much, change it. Change it. Everyone has the capability of changing things. People say, Well, I can't change this. You can change your mindset and aspects and have a plan on how you're going to move forward. Doesn't mean it's going to happen instantaneously. Change doesn't happen overnight. It's like people always say, like I always tell people, Rome wasn't built in a day. So it's one of those phrases that we use to basically say, settle down. It takes time. Everything takes time. There are some things that I can change right away, and there are some things that I can't. And I have to be patient. And I think that's something that we've also lost in this world today is patience and tolerance and acceptance, not just with other people, but within ourselves.
Michael: I think that's because the moving goalpost of people's emotions. Right? Like
Lisa McGrath: Fair. It's a fair assessment.
Michael: So, say for example, like you brought up something like, you know, you don't like where you are, but you're where you are because of the choices you've made. I kind of along those lines, which maybe inside, outside, there could be outside effects to that. There are outliers, but we're talking about the general thing, right? Again, we never really talk about the 10% on either side. So if you want to comment on the 10% on the other side, no one's going to reply to it. but is inside of that space, what are you doing to make those changes? Are you doing anything or are you sitting back and complaining about the situation? Right. Like, and that's what I think a lot of people do. Like I I've been homeless. I've been homeless. Did it stop me? No. No, not at all. Sucked. It sucked, I tell you, you start going a week without food. It sucks. But you figure it out and you push through and you do what needs to get done. I mean it's
Lisa McGrath: Think I think that's a resilient mindset, Michael, that not everybody has. And I think there, I want to believe that although across the generations there are people who exist in each generation that are like that, I find the predominant people that are like that to be older. So people that are in their like 50s, 40s, some of their 30s, where they are the majority, I'm not saying like no none to no 20-year-olds is like this, but the majority of those people are the ones that are like, figure it out. Figure it out. Figure it out. I have lots of friends that are in and around my age. You and I are similar. We're in our mid forties and we I mean, like, we're only like a year apart. Just so people aren't like, how old is he? He's not that old. So but I find that there's people in my generation that it's incessant whining. It's incessant whining all the fucking time. And I'm someone who's like, do something about it, do something about it. Like I'm the fixer. And that's something that you will understand as well. And I know you will, that you have people in your life that rely on you to fix their fucking problems or give them advice. And you do. And it's almost like hitting your
head against a brick wall. Cause it's like, I gave you four things you could do to fix this. Like I provided you with solutions and you decided you didn't want to do the solutions or you half asked the solutions. And now you're like, nothing's better. And it's like, no shit.
Michael: Well, I mean, I mean, but I'm also not flawless either. Like in those type of scenarios,
Lisa McGrath: None of us are.
Michael: right? I mean, I might make, you know, commitments to something, and then you know what, something comes up and I've changed my mind. Because still at the end of the day, I have to be somewhat selfish to my own. I have to have my own oxygen mask on. And sometimes that does result in either cutting people out completely or taking time of just and I mean you've experienced where I'm like, no, I'm I'm gone for four days. Like And I'm not responding to anything or even longer at times. Right? Because it's just like I need to focus on my stuff because I can't help anyone unless I've helped myself.
Lisa McGrath: So I think that what a lot of people need to understand is there's differences in selfishness. Okay.
Michael: Yes.
Lisa McGrath: People who are selfish, inherently selfish, will always do what's best for them and have zero consideration for others. There are other people in the world that have selfish responses for self-preservation. And that's an important distinction because I know that I've made selfish decisions. For self-preservation for both myself and my children. If I'm not good, my kids aren't good. If I'm not good, my business isn't good. So I've made selfish decisions where I've turned down jobs, I've sat on my couch, I've done nothing, I've gone and done my vitamins, I've gone and done things strictly for me. I took two years to do that when I was diagnosed with breast cancer. I took two years to basically work on me. And I surrounded myself with people who are incredibly intelligent in regards to. the naturopathic roots and how to heal your body and help yourself along with the Western medicine side of things. And I dove into that and embraced those people. And to this day, even though we don't talk much, I still let them know from time to time how important they were to me in that moment and that they still hold that special place in my world. And and because I think that that's something where that comes back to being grateful. I am grateful that those people were there in that moment that could give me something else to look at. It wasn't just me listening to a bunch of doctors telling me I had to do all this stuff. It was other people. And I went I went and like sought them out. Right. So, you know, there's that grateful aspect, but then there's also the point where when we go to do things for ourselves, what are we doing? Like you said, sometimes there's things that we can get hung up on. So is that when you because I mean when someone says to me, listen, this happened, it has sidebared me and I'm going to Finish this before I start this. I'm like, okay, no problem. Why would I have a problem with you pushing pause on something to rectify something else? Because if you just charge ahead, and I'm someone who does that, Michael, I just charge ahead and then I deal with the cards where they fall, right? And it's like,
Michael: Sometimes. Yeah. Same sometimes, yeah.
Lisa McGrath: should have done this, should have done that. Even in my, you know, what I would think is my knowledgeable age of 45, I still
Michael: Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: make those mistakes. Whereas I will charge ahead because I'm just like, get it done. And then it's like, I miss this, this, this, and this. Whereas I have people in my life who are like, no, you gotta sit and think it through. And I'm like, I guess for me, I'm one of those people that if I think about it too much, I overthink it and then I talk myself out of it.
Michael: Well, that's because people don't people can't stay in the one idea lane, right? And I'm I'm noticing that a lot, like even if you have conversation with somebody, and we do it often in the podcast as well, right? Where we'll be talking about one thing and all of a sudden it shifts into this other thing, another thing, another thing. And I I believe if you spend too much time in the thinking, you're going to create such a long list, it becomes insurmountable to get something accomplished. Right. I mean, I've I've been very singularly focused for the last, I don't know, I guess about s five, six months in one aspect, one business, one thing, one goal, one outcome. you know, that's been nice enough to afford me the capability to say, like, cool, now I'm waiting to hear back from another place to volunteer at the food bank, like, so I can give more time because I can do that type of stuff. Right. So my goal isn't just about the business. My goal is about the time in which to be able to do more. And that business also is built around supporting nonprofits, all that kind of stuff. Right. And and I think people forget about, and this is where it comes to the gratefulness living in the give and don't go into Thanksgiving. Don't go into stuff and don't treat every day like Thanksgiving. Like just treat every day like Thanksgiving. Wake up,
Lisa McGrath: You should. You should.
Michael: take two things, three things, one thing. That you're grateful
Lisa McGrath: You should.
Michael: for for the day or at the end of the day before you go to sleep. Go to bed with that positive mind. Sleep well. Reset. Do it again.
Lisa McGrath: I agree. And it's no different than fucking Valentine's Day. Love your person every day. Do
Michael: Every day. Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: something nice for your person every fucking day. Not one day. But what I'm saying is that I don't celebrate it either.
Michael: Yeah, my brother my brother and his wife don't celebrate Valentine's Day 'cause they're like, It's stupid. You should be doing that every day.
Lisa McGrath: I know. I tell my daughter not to celebrate
it. I tell my son don't celebrate it. I'm like, don't buy into commercialism. It's fucking ridiculous. I'm like, do it the day before, do it a week before, do it a week after. Do it the day after. I'm like, do not celebrate Valentine's Day. It is 100% capitalized on for people to be like, you love your person. Do you love your person? Then love them every day.
Michael: I will say this though. I will say this. Going out for dinner on Valentine's Day is nice because you actually see the people who do that once a year or once every every couple of months and they're using the excuse to actually get it done. Cause sometimes people
Lisa McGrath: Mm-hmm.
Michael: need a reason to unplug from their jobs, unplug from the busyness to focus on something. And when you're when you're in a restaurant, you're surrounded by a bunch of couples and you actually see, you know, love and and passion and connection, even if it's just for that that dinner and that's all they have. Right. It's just nice to see. It's nice to be surrounded by. So I'm not saying don't go out on those days. Right? Because maybe that's what you need to to see it to rekindle something that you maybe weren't doing for your significant other.
Lisa McGrath: Okay, so I'm on the fence about that because for me, yes, I love watching couples. I like people watching. It took a long time for me just to relax and people watch. And the part of me having cancer is what forced me to do that is to to to stop being so highly focused in what's going on in my world and start looking at the world outside. And so when I have friends that talk about their relationships, good or bad, when I get to see them together, when I see that they're affectionate, when I see that they're sweet to each other. Those are things that warm my heart because I'm like, that's nice. Like it's nice to see. And I don't disagree with you that it's nice to see, but for me, it's like no, it's no different than Thanksgiving. Be grateful every day, love your person every day. But I do believe that there needs to be a day where people can just stop, like you said, and actually just appreciate themselves, what they're grateful for, and their person. Even though that should be a daily thing, you don't always have to like your person. Like there are days I don't like my person. Love him. Don't always like him. And I can tell you the same for him. I can tell you the same goes for him. There are days where he is
Michael: There is a difference there. Yeah. Yeah, there is a difference there.
Lisa McGrath: like, fuck this chick. By the way, you know what? I'm gonna tell you something funny. So I just got a text message. You're gonna have a good laugh. So Greg's in town. And he fucking last night me and Mandy just annihilated him. That's his wife. We just annihilated him because he always pulls the same shit. He's like, Mandy's mean to me. And I'm like, Like I'm like challenge
Michael: okay.
Lisa McGrath: fucking accepted. What does she mean to you
both? So he tells me the story and it's so fucking stupid. But this morning he fucking texts me like nothing happened. He's like, Hey, want a day drink? I'm like, No, I want
Michael: we can we can do that. We can we can
Lisa McGrath: I have to adult today.
Michael: film one at night. We can film one in the evening and just be like perfect. This is gonna be a wine
Lisa McGrath: I have like gr
Michael: conversation. We're already a bottle in. Now we're gonna start.
Lisa McGrath: Right.
Michael: you wanna see cancel culture? That's when that's gonna happen. That would be funny though.
Lisa McGrath: For God's sake. You know what though? It's funny because every time Gregg's back, his wife, her and I are, her and I are tight. She's as sweet as pie. I love her to death. And she she is always like, listen, Lisa, if you're off, don't go over because you two can't be fucking trusted because you're both fucking stupid. And it's because of first,
Michael: Right.
Lisa McGrath: that's what happens. Greg's home for like a week, and I'll call him up on like a random fucking Tuesday or Wednesday, and I'll like, hey, you want a day drink? And he's like, Yeah, I do. And then she comes home to no dinner, nothing's been done. He's on the carpet passed out. I'm at home passed out. And she's like, What the shit is this? And she's like
Michael: Well I t I tell you what, we'll make this a clip and people can vote if you wanna see a Devil's Advocate Wine Edition. And we might spell it W H I N E.
Lisa McGrath: Fucking hilarious. I was just gonna be like, Really? Do we wanna
Michael: We were just gonna bitch.
Lisa McGrath: call it wine edition?
Michael: We're just gonna bitch. And we'll put like we'll put like a PSA, like we don't know what we're gonna say in this. And you know what? This is this is a one-off. Some of these opinions may or may not be my own.
Lisa McGrath: Do you want to? But here's the other part of that. So this is what's funny. So I'm not a big drinker. And everybody in my group knows that I'm not a big drinker. So it doesn't take much. I'm one of those people, they call me Batman. And the reason they do that is because when I hit my limit, I'm just gone. Poof, gone. Right? And
Michael: Well that's an Irish goodbye, yeah.
Lisa McGrath: I go home and I'm like, or I'll say things like, I have to go fold laundry. Fuck, they all love that. They make fun of me so bad. They're Lisa's gone home at nine o'clock to fold fucking laundry. She's drunk. She's done.
Michael: serious problem with that because how could you leave your house with the laundry not folded?
Lisa McGrath: Listen, it's my excuse. I'm okay
Michael: You're just gonna have wrinkly clothes. That doesn't make even make sense.
Lisa McGrath: with it. Never mind. I need you wanna know what? It's it's my way out. I'm like, listen, I'm going to the neighbors. It's gonna get wild. I need a way out. Don't fold the fucking laundry.
Michael: Look, even when I get if I get undressed to go in the shower, if I
get undressed to go in the shower, I fold my clothes. Even if they're going to the laundry, a lot of my clothes that are in the laundry are folded. Because I had folded them, taken them off, and then I dropped them in the laundry. So there's like a folded stack in the laundry.
Lisa McGrath: Tell me your O C D without telling me.
Michael: I think it's just it's one of those just like it's something I probably should have done in relationships earlier is been more cognizant of being clean, organized and that type of stuff. And then I just started doing it. I've just never stopped doing it.
Lisa McGrath: So here's the thing. I just want in a relationship, because I I don't know if I'll ever live with someone again. I'm kind of one of those weird people. you've been when you're on your own for so long, you're just kinda like, I like it like this. So but I fight enough with my kids just putting it in the hamper. Like, in the
Michael: Huh.
Lisa McGrath: hamper. I you don't don't fold it. Just put it in the hamper. Okay, please for mummy, please do that. Please.
Michael: my god, it's one of the we were watching what is it, this Married at First Sight. Right?
Lisa McGrath: Mm-hmm.
Michael: So, you know, I pick my shows and she picks her shows and we we we run it through and and that's what we do. And and when I was watching it and we're both watching it, we're both getting upset because they're like outdoing things and we see clothes on the floor, messy counters, the kitchens, kitchens got too much stuff on the counter. We're like, who lives like this? We're both looking at like this is crazy, how's this gonna work? It's not gonna work. It's not gonna work.
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, yeah.
Michael: Like just chaos.
Lisa McGrath: So I tell my so my kids, because I my I'm I have a chore board. I get my kids to do their chores all the time, and I'm always like, no games until X, Y, and Z is completed. So it's like chores, homework, review, has to be done. And my kids sometimes will whine about it, like, well, I did it yesterday and why am I gonna do it today? And I'm like, you what? What if mom just stops cleaning? Is that gonna be like what kind of what kind of state would the house be in if mom just stopped cleaning? Three cats, one dog that sheds like crazy, what would the house be in? And they're like, it'd be gross. And I'm like, Right. They're like, There'd be dishes piled up, there'd be dog hair everywhere, it'd be awful. And I'm like, Okay.
Michael: Now granted, I don't tuck my sheets on a bed. I just make it flat. I don't tuck
Lisa McGrath: I don't tuck my sheets. I don't well first of all I don't have the the I d I only have a fitted sheet and then my duvet.
Michael: No, you don't have a sheep between you and the Duvet?
Lisa McGrath: No, I don't like You okay? You gonna live?
Michael: No, I'm not okay. How because I I just I would be like you're signing up to have to wash your duvet, you know, two times as often.
Lisa McGrath: Why would you vake hover?
Michael: Okay, so nothing gets through the sh duvet cover into the duvet. no, I couldn't do that. Get that extra layer in there.
Lisa McGrath: No, I no the duvets go out for dry cleaning twice a year.
Michael: Okay. Not a fan.
Lisa McGrath: They have a cover. The duvets have a cover. The covers get washed. The duvets get sprayed down with an antiseptic or an antibacterial. And then two twice time two times a year. And some people might be like, you're gross. Some people might be like, my God, that's a lot. Like, what are you doing? They go and get dry cleaned.
Michael: I know, it's weird. It's weird how people work that out.
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, like everybody's different, right? So I'm someone who vacuums my house three times a day. I'm someone who, you know, will load the dishwasher if the kids haven't loaded it after a day. I'm just like, fuck it.
Michael: Wait, you don't vacuum your house three times a day.
Lisa McGrath: I do.
Michael: How? If you go to site, how are you washing how are you vacuuming your house three times a day?
Lisa McGrath: I vacuum my house at seven o'clock in the morning. I vacuum my house in the afternoon when I get home and I vacuum my house before I go to bed.
Michael: Okay. I mean I like to walk
Lisa McGrath: Yeah. Maddie is crazy.
Michael: around Swiffers, so when I'm on phone calls or whatever, I just walk around and Swiffer.
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, and sometimes it's a swiffer, but then I will vacuum the swiffer.
Michael: No no, I just throw at the pad.
Lisa McGrath: No, I have a different one. I have one that's material. Yeah. But it's like a Swiffer aspect.
Michael: Well, I have this static one and then I have the washing one. I mean, in all fairness, in all fairness, I only ever use the static one when I'm walking around because I don't do the cleaning in the household.
Lisa McGrath: I'm really kind of anal about like dust collecting. If you have if I get to a point where I can see the dust, it's gotta go. But it's when people like if I've walked into houses where the dust is like accumulated, I'm like
Michael: yeah, if you can wipe your finger on something and see a line, I'm like, ooh.
Lisa McGrath: Not even that like worse than that. Like if you can see where there's like a like a little buildup, you know, like where you got like, yeah.
Michael: A build up no
Lisa McGrath: If I can put my finger through it, I'm like, meh, maybe they're just busy. But when it's like thick, like and I'm not saying like an inch,
Michael: Well
Lisa McGrath: I'm saying like like like I don't know how much is that? How much is that, Michael? Exactly. But
Michael: Too much. Too much. The answer's too much.
Lisa McGrath: when I see it where it could like, if you just wiped it, it's now like a fucking clump. I'm like, Can I have your vacuum? Let me just see your vacuum room. I'm one of those. Let me just see your vacuum room.
Michael: I would come over the next time with like a Swiffer duster, but not the handle, and I'd have it in my
pocket and when they're not looking, I would just be like
Lisa McGrath: Right? But everybody cleans differently. Yeah. Everybody yeah,
Michael: Assuming I ever came back. Assuming I came back. Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: everybody has a different way of cleaning. And some people hate cleaning. And I'm like, for those that hate cleaning, get a cleaner. And it doesn't
Michael: I hate cleaning.
Lisa McGrath: here's what cracks me up. So I used to be a cleaner back in the day. I had my own cleaning company. It was called Sensations. And I used to clean houses. And for me as a cleaner, and some women who are women and men who are cleaners will contest to this. Okay. When you have a cleaner, you're supposed to tidy. Which means you're supposed to pick the shit up off the floor. Okay.
Michael: Yes.
Lisa McGrath: So that they can come in and fucking quickly go through your house. I don't want a cleaner at my house for six fucking hours unless my house is huge. So I want a cleaner at my house for a couple of hours. They're doing bathrooms, they're doing the kitchen, they're vacuuming everything, they're dusting everything, and then they're they're washing the floors and washing themselves out the door is what they're doing. That's all I want to see. And and when in a house like mine, if you take longer than two and a half hours to do that. You're doing something fucking wrong. So, and at that point, you're basically pulling out my appliances. And even then, it's not gonna be very it's not gonna be I pull out my appliances like once every three weeks, once every month.
Michael: Yeah, once a month. Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: So that's what I do. Yeah, the other one pulls it out like weekly. Yep. Yeah, the couches come out every week.
Michael: Yeah, once a month all the bed comes out, the couches come up, the everything comes up. Actually couches probably more often than once a month, but
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, I kick the couches out and vacuum underneath the couch and vacuum in between the couches and everything.
Michael: Our coach has got a good elevation of opening that you can actually like I've got a a vacuum goes right down in there. Again, I don't do it. I don't do it
Lisa McGrath: that's nice. Yeah.
Michael: and people might call that sexist, but I do all the cooking, I do all the heavy lifting. She I don't think she really ever holds a door. She doesn't ever hold a door. Doesn't carry any of the groceries because I get mad if she does.
Lisa McGrath: think it's sexist, Michael. Yeah. Yeah, but here's the thing. It doesn't yeah, but it doesn't matter. It's whatever they're good at, right? So
Michael: Well she she she actually she said, I like doing it. I'm like, all right, well if you
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, yeah. But here's the thing is that
Michael: like doing it, who am I to interfere?
Lisa McGrath: But at the same time, it it it's funny that you have to say that and be so concerned that people are gonna come at you because for me, everybody has a different thing, right? If I was the person when I was in a relationship that did all the house stuff, I was the one that cooked, that cleaned, that took care of the kids, that prepped, that did meal prep, that did, you know, lunches. And I was perfectly content. And he did all the exterior work. I didn't do the exterior work. So I would shovel, I would go outside and shovel from time to time, but Not often, like just like the main walkway. I would just shovel the main walkway. Drive pads, all that. That was him. you know, so I think that when there's an agreement between the two, when I say agreement, I'm not like you sit down and fucking hash out who's doing what. It's you're comfortable with who's doing what. Yeah.
Michael: I mean we did we did. We did. We sat down and we line itemed it. Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: I love that you did that.
Michael: Yeah. Like I actually built I actually built
Lisa McGrath: But a lot of people won't.
Michael: a relationship document on on what it should be or what it could be.
Lisa McGrath: We should do that. We should let's do that. Let's do that next round. Let's I want to see this document, Michael. And you even talked about it. Like people who get together, they don't have these conversations. And I think it's good for any industry, but the trades industry is is really riddled with separation, divorce, anger. Like I listened to all of these different things online. Like, okay, the biggest one right now, the work wife. Fucking women are coming into the comments having a fucking moment. the fucking work wife. Yes, from time to time, the work wife, okay,
Michael: What's that?
Lisa McGrath: is a problem. It's a woman who works like adjacent to your spouse or to with a person. It's like, it's like you would be like, cause you and I are on podcast all the time. And so someone could say, well, Lisa's Michael's work wife and Michael is Lisa's work husband. Yeah, yeah.
Michael: I see. I see. I thought I thought you were talking about inside their relationship. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
Lisa McGrath: No, not inside the relationship. So it's it's outside of the relationship. And sometimes, yeah, that gets ugly. And the work wife becomes something more because they're together all the time and talking to each other and going through things. And both could be in relationships and then all of a sudden end up in something else. But most of the time, the work wife, quote unquote, is sometimes is mostly either male or is usually there to help the spouse. If you, if you are if you are a spouse, if you are a female. wife and you are upset about your husband or partner having a close female at work, go get to know her. Because I guarantee you, mo a lot of females, like I, my ex had a work wife. I loved her. I loved her. I was in constant communication with her. I went to the office and saw her. She'd make sure he'd go to his doctor's appointments because he wouldn't fucking listen to me. And to me, it's like, I need somebody else on my side to get it through
his skull. And if it's going to be the The secretary in the office that's going to be like, hey, we booked your blah, blah, blah. It's this time. And I would call her and be like, hey, his appointment is this time for this, this, this. He also has to go to the bank. He also needs to do this. He also needs to change this. Help me with this. Cause he ain't listening to me as far as he's concerned. I'm just fucking rambling on. I mean, I'm noise, right?
Michael: Maybe.
Lisa McGrath: And and she would. She'd fucking get him to do it all. And I was like, I don't care. And people are like, Aren't you? Doesn't that make you mad? I'm like, no, it needs to get fucking done. And you know what? Sometimes you gotta call in a fucking lifeline. And she's my lifeline. She would remember everything, birthdays, anniversaries, everything. And she would make sure everything was done. And I was like, I love her. I love her. She was my team for that, for that crazy, you know? So I always find it interesting when women are losing their fucking minds about a work wife. I think some have plausibility, but then at the same time, I'm like, why are you so concerned? What's going on in your relationship that that's even a concern?
Michael: I think that usually comes down to emotional availability. So if the the man in in that scenario, if the man comes home and he's got a work wife and they come home, there's not that emotional availability. Like if I go to talk about work and I came home and I've got a work wife and I go to talk to her, well, it's a very different conversation than if I talk to the person I work with, right?
Lisa McGrath: Yeah. Yeah.
Michael: Which is built hopefully on the same goal of betterment and everything else. Whereas they might go, Well, fuck them, fuck them, whatever, right? Or have no idea what you're talking about. Like I mean Most of my exes knew what I did, but didn't really know what I did on a day to day basis.
Lisa McGrath: Yeah.
Michael: Right, and that's that's fine.
Lisa McGrath: So interesting. So the other half tells me everything just about of like the different women in his world and what they're doing and what their role is and if they get along and how they chat. He knows more about them than they know about him. Allegedly. Because I don't know how much I buy that shit. I'm like, listen
Michael: Allegedly, allegedly.
Lisa McGrath: Alleg allegedly. And I say that because most people Are open. I mean, some people just have the gift of people just telling them all their shit. And I'm not
Michael: Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: saying he doesn't have that, but there's also has to be a give and take. You have to give a little to get, right? So when people want to get to know you, they don't want to be like, my God, I just told this person that everything about my life and I know nothing about them. There's and so he's really good at breadcrumbing. He breadcrumbs everybody. I'll just give you little pieces, and you can be like Rapunzel and or not
what is it? Hansel and Gretel and walk and pick up the bread, you know. So he's one of those. But regardless, I know everything that's going. And there's a few times where I'm like, ooh, I'd be careful. And he'd be like, what do you mean? And I'm like, ooh, the optics are poor. I'm not worried. But I'm just saying, in this situation, be careful. And you know what? It would always blow up in his face. And he'd be like, Just about, just about always, where somebody would make an assumption. And then it would
Michael: Always, always or often? So often. Often. Often.
Lisa McGrath: be like, it would travel like wildfire. And I was like, mm. Told you. Or a girl might have a crush on him. And I'm like of course of
Michael: Did you drop and I told you so? You drop and I told you so. Nice. I mean, a lot of people will say, well, that's that's vindictive. They'll
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, a hundred percent I am. I fucking told you so. But he gets to do it all the time. He does it all the fucking time. Fuck that guy.
Michael: be like, that's vindictive in the relationship, and you know, it's it's manipulate. No, you know what? If if you've got a good enough relationship that you can just speak fucking honestly at all times without fear of reprisal,
Lisa McGrath: Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah.
Michael: and also learn how to argue with each other or debate each other. Right, because it doesn't have to be a big blow up and don't make it about everything. Just keep it on the one thing. Not it's just like,
Lisa McGrath: my God, I taught him something and now he uses it.
Michael: it's just like, it's just if you start doing that, that's it. You're fucking you're done. You're done. The conversation should be over.
Lisa McGrath: Yeah. I think telling people your feelings, and this is where people get upset. So I will tell him I'm feeling and then he will get a little bit defensive and I'll be like, slow down. I'm not saying you have to manage those feelings. I'm letting you know that these feelings exist inside of me. So I'm looking for reassurance that I shouldn't have that feeling based off of the information that's been provided to me. Are you able to do that?
Michael: So wait, so you have a feeling about his situation, is that what we're talking about?
Lisa McGrath: i any situation. It could be a situation that he's has nothing to do with other women or anything. It could just be something that's
Michael: We're just in general. Okay.
Lisa McGrath: going on between the two of us and I've interpreted something maybe incorrectly. So I require clarity because I'm someone who's consistently curious. I need to know more, more, more, more, more. And he always says that to me. He's like, you need to know. And I'm like, I do for my brain to make sense of it. If I don't have enough information and my brain doesn't make sense of it, sense of it, then it's kind of like, don't be suspicious. Don't be suspicious. And I don't want to be a suspicious person. I just want the information so that I I can make a definitive I can have a definitive answer in myself and be okay and move forward. Cause if it's really nothing, then just give me the info. And then I'll just be like, it's nothing.
Michael: Yeah, I think oftentimes people don't people don't take the time to clarify, right? Like,
Lisa McGrath: Yeah.
Michael: so because men and women communicate differently, obviously, is when somebody says something to you and you respond, and so say I say something and you respond, and you respond, and I'm like, what the fuck? I'd be like, Listen, I think we need to clarify the the the question first, the start. Before we go down this this rabbit hole that we're probably gonna get farther and farther and farther away. Right, is let's let's go back to the beginning and go, okay, this was the statement or the question or the problem, and let's figure out making sure we're talking about the same thing to start with. Because you're not if don't
Lisa McGrath: Yep. We've had to do that a few times.
Michael: start from an equal equal playing ground or equal idea, right? How you frame it matters, and oftentimes, I mean, women and men are not the best communicators with each other. Oftentimes, like I'm watching this bullshit stuff with with with Red, and it's just like, what the fuck? Like these people have no idea no ability to communicate with one another. Like, you know, we're what six months in and and well, seven months at this time of filming, but six months, which is actual. and not a single argument, not a single fight, not a nothing. I mean, we've talked about all the hot topics, and we do disagree on some things. But it's not a fight because if you start from an even ground and you just you have a loose respect and then you build into that respect.
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, I agree with that. I don't I don't think I've ever fought, like full on fought, like I have in any of my other relationships in this one. We do have disagreements. We will kind of like there's been times where like he's had to walk away for a minute because his emotions get too high. And I always tell him I'm always like, you're my emotional little perennial, and he just gets so fucking mad. He's like, I am not a fucking flower. And I'm like, but you're a flower that comes back every season. It's like a macho flower.
Michael: That's that's right, but you've also never but you've never been emotional, right, Lisa? Never been emotional. There we go. the little perennial Lisa
Lisa McGrath: I'm always emotional. Protect. I'm a fire sign.
Michael: always leaving and then coming back. This is what works. It works then. Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: I just like I'm one of those people that so I use teasing, and this is where I get really pissy when people are like, my God, if you tease your person or you joke, you're manipulative, you're fucking cruel. And I'm like, my God, that's
Michael: Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: my love language, is teasing. You know I like you if I tease you. Like,
and if you tease me back, I'm like, that was a good one. Like he actually had a good one the other day, and I couldn't even get mad at it because it was good. Like We were bugging each other. I was bug we bug each other about each other's weight because we're heavier we're a little heavier now than we were like f two years ago. So we're a little heavier. So we bug each other. Like I'll I'll rub his belly and be like, the Buddha, or I'll like bang on it and like it's a drum. He gets so mad because he's like, this is fucking bullshit. And he'll like go do calisthenics or some shit. But the
Michael: Go do something about it then.
Lisa McGrath: other day I was like, I was I had my phone and I was looking down and it was making like this wicked double chin. And he fucking grabs it and he goes, like a turkey. And
Michael: Well that's awesome. That's awesome.
Lisa McGrath: I was like, you son of a bitch. And I was like, that was a solid burn. It was a solid burn.
Michael: Well you have to you have to care about the perfections and the imperfections of the other person.
Lisa McGrath: Right?
Michael: Like I mean, all it's it's all one package deal. Nobody's perfect and I don't know, that's a whole nother
Lisa McGrath: No.
Michael: thing getting into the like dating and that type of stuff where everybody just expects this perfect scenario. Women are seeking the one percent of men, right?
Lisa McGrath: Mm-hmm.
Michael: You know, over six feet, six figures, you know. Yeah, six six six. Yeah, they're
Lisa McGrath: Six six six Six Six Six.
Michael: they're Well the you know what? The devil's in the details there, ladies, because your details suck. And you know what, if you had any sort of intuition, you probably would have stuck with some of the people in the past, but you weren't willing to put the work in or
Lisa McGrath: Six feet, six inches, six is that six six feet, six inches, six figures.
Michael: I mean that's kind
Lisa McGrath: Lies.
Michael: of
Lisa McGrath: All lies. It goes both ways, Michael. Like it goes both ways. Right? So I think most girls just want a guy that's taller than them. And I think that that's a societal aspect.
Michael: Sure.
Lisa McGrath: Right? I and I do. I believe that that for me, I would prefer someone to be taller. as a female, I'm already a very, a very assertive female. I'm a business owner. I'm kind of like a, you know, like I'm a fuck around and find out full of piss and vinegar. The last thing I want to do is bend down and kiss my person. I want to,
Michael: Just fine.
Lisa McGrath: I want to look up and kiss my person. That's my preference. Right? Now, a lot of guys that I've
Michael: So what what did you give up on the six six six? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I don't want to know. We're not discussing. No, no, I don't. Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: Right. Do you want to know what? A lot of the guys that are really tall go for the really short girls. Like that's something I've noticed. There's there's not like whenever I
meet a woman that's six foot and her spouse is six four, six six, I'm like, you go, girl. Because a lot of those really tall guys want a girl that's like, I don't know, it's gonna climb them like a fucking tree. And I'm like, what the fuck is happening? Why is your girlfriend five foot two and you're six foot seven? Like you didn't want someone five seven, five eight, six feet, didn't want someone like that, didn't find anybody.
Michael: that's that those are those are those are you know immutable things right like you can't change you can't change somebody's height a personality is what's important right a height i don't know height can matter i guess i've never really thought about it i don't have a type per se like i don't have a type i've dated different heights i've different dated different different weights
Lisa McGrath: You're one of those. You have a type, Michael. You have a type.
Michael: i have a personality type not a body type nope there's no type
Lisa McGrath: I've seen it.
Michael: There's no type.
Lisa McGrath: I've seen it.
Michael: Lies. Lies. Lies. If I gave you silhouettes of the different people I've dated, you couldn't tell me who is who. Which means there is no there's no body type.
Lisa McGrath: I don't know, show me the color of their hair. I might be able to find a correlation.
Michael: No, brown, blonde, reddish, grey.
Lisa McGrath: Teasing you, Michael. I'm teasing you. It's cause the last two, the last one now, I don't I'm telling you, she's like she's a rash. Listen, regardless,
Michael: Dyed hair. Dyed hair doesn't count. Come on.
Lisa McGrath: the current one is the last one. Cause if she's not, I'm gonna have to fly to Ontario and fix some shit.
Michael: Right.
Lisa McGrath: She's special in my heart too. Listen, we're dating her together, Michael. This relationship is beyond you.
Michael: Whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You got yours. You you
Lisa McGrath: Just kidding. I just I adore her.
Michael: Besides, if everything goes through all Alberta, you know, I'll be American because I'll take your place, you'll take mine, and that's it. And so we won't wouldn't even be in the same country anymore. Yeah,
Lisa McGrath: Do you think she'd go with you? Have you talked to her about that?
Michael: should we go? Yep. Yep. Yep. Well no, we're
Lisa McGrath: I love that for you. Yeah, I would treat places.
Michael: we're okay with making commitments to each other in in big sweeping ways, like in the first and typically in most relationships that I've been in, a lot of the big conversations happen at the start because I'm not afraid to ask these things and sometimes make demands and sometimes make concessions. And have I always
Lisa McGrath: Think it's
Michael: been the perfect boyfriend? Absolutely not. Am I
Lisa McGrath: No one's
Michael: currently the perfect boyfriend? Absolutely not. Right? But I mean, you have to have those hard conversations
Lisa McGrath: Clearly. I've heard your political positions, you're not perfect.
Michael: and you have to have as many the many open and honest conversations as you possibly can. Now that doesn't mean we talked about it the other night, and she's like, you know, you should never lie to each other. I'm like, well, well, sometimes you need to lie to somebody to protect them or for making, or that might force them into a bad choice. Or it might lead to an opinion that really has no bearing. Right. And it could be a lie of omission. Right? Where you're like, you
Lisa McGrath: Mm-hmm.
Michael: what? It's just not something that I'm I want to talk about. It's a scenario. It's done. It's dealt with. And it doesn't matter. Right?
Lisa McGrath: Mm-hmm.
Michael: So there are different scenarios where that could play in. But like, just like, I want somebody who's completely open and honest. No, you don't. You don't want to
Lisa McGrath: my god.
Michael: know what's in the other person's mind 100% of the time. Absolutely not.
Lisa McGrath: So funny. So funny. Quick sidebar story. There was a day when the significant was talking to me about a bunch of stuff. And he said something, and I'm not gonna lie. It hurt my feelings a little bit. And I was like, you know what? Lie to me sometimes. Just lie. I d you're
Michael: Right.
Lisa McGrath: good. And he was like, What the fuck? He's like, You asked me to be honest. And I'm like, sometimes, maybe just lie. Just omit. You know? I'm good. I don't need
Michael: Yeah. Okay. Just don't talk about it. Yep.
Lisa McGrath: I don't need all the information. I need the majority of the information. Sometimes just lie to me. Okay, honey. And he was just like and he started laughing. And he's like, Well, you women make up your mind. I'm like, I've made up my mind. I've made up my mind. If it's something that's going to hurt my feelings that's unnecessary because it has nothing to do with you and I per se, and it has the potential to hurt my feelings, just lie to me. I'm good. And he was like, You're ridiculous.
Michael: scenario of like you know like does this do you like this dress and I actually hate this dress but I know you love this dress and I've heard other people say that's a really nice dress I am going to lie a hundred percent I'm going to lie
Lisa McGrath: As the man, you should. As the female, like if my female friends ask me, when it comes to go so I'm one of those people, you know what? even as a partner, I'm brutally honest. If you're gonna walk out of this out of our house or the space and you look fucking stupid, I'm going to tell you.
Michael: Don't have fucking pajama pants on.
Lisa McGrath: I'm gonna tell you, but here's the thing. Like my kids, like I'll say like my daughter, my daughter will like walk out in jammy pants with her hair up and she doesn't give a shit. And I'm like, You we out like that? She's like Yep. And she knows that's like that's her my way of saying, You look stupid. Sir, have you made this dis this decision? Cause I'll wait. You know what I
mean? So it's that's the cue of Mum will wait if you want to put something else on. And she's you know, I I will say I love this about my daughters where I've given her I've empowered her with making that choice. She's like, I'm good. I'm like, okay, let's go. And I don't say anything.
Michael: Perfect. You're gonna walk ten feet ahead of me because I don't wanna look like I've got, you know
Lisa McGrath: no, I hold her hand. I don't give a shit. It's my daughter. I love her. I don't care. If she's happy in her fucking jam her floofy jammy pants and a tube top and her hair, I don't give a shit. It's my kid. I'll always hold her hand. And same with my partner. If my partner walks out and he looks ridiculous, I'll do the same. I'll hold his hand. I'll be proud. This is my this is my stupid. I love him.
Michael: So you decide you're going out for dinner, and you know, like it's you know just a regular pub. You're going out for dinner, and he decides, you know what, I'm gonna wear a clown suit, a big boofy thing on bread nose and paint on my face, and we're gonna go out. And anybody who talks about my clown suit, I'm just gonna deny it. What are you talking about? Like, I mean, like w what gets to the point of ridiculous? Put on some regular
Lisa McGrath: Yeah.
Michael: clothes. If you're pajama pants, like when I see somebody walking around, okay, but like
Lisa McGrath: Like, I don't mind silly. Like, I don't mind like if you want to dress up like a fucking dinosaur and go to the pub, but
Michael: Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: own the fact that you dressed up like a fucking dinosaur, I'm all for it. But if you're gonna
Michael: No no, just being like this is just normal effort. Like
Lisa McGrath: gaslight people, I'm gonna be like, mm, we got a problem here. Like, are you fucking like riddled with the solution?
Michael: But I don't know. I just I just I just I don't know if it was a good comparison. It's probably not, but it just I think it's lazy. I think it's lazy if somebody just
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, there's laziness.
Michael: doesn't get dressed to go out. I just put on some real clothes. Like when you see people
Lisa McGrath: All right.
Michael: walking around with like the slides with the you know, they're clearly like go to bed slides, you know what I mean?
Lisa McGrath: Kids do that shit. That's like the new thing. Slides are like the new fad for that generation.
Michael: No, it's stupid. It's stupid.
Lisa McGrath: I do not wear any of that shit. But I'm not gonna lie, like on a Sunday, I'm not putting on makeup. I'm in my like jammies. I'll walk over to my neighbors in my fucking jammy shorts
Michael: I'm not a huge fan of makeup I'm not a huge fan of makeup anyways.
Lisa McGrath: and my jammy shirt with or without bras optional, depending on the neighbor. If their husband's home, bra goes on. If not, I'm coming over to have coffee without one. Like, I don't care. You know, and some people will be like, Why? And I'm like, 'Cause I don't care. I
Michael: Okay, that's going your neighbor's house. That's not going to the grocery store. And I'm not talking about getting all dolled up because
Lisa McGrath: I mean I've done it. I've done it.
Michael: again, I'm not I'm not a big fan of makeup, like a large amount of makeup. I think the person that you're with should look like the person that you're with regardless of what makeup they have on.
Lisa McGrath: Agreed? Agreed?
Michael: I should be able to identify them in a lineup with or without makeup.
Lisa McGrath: Agreed. That's where the term coyote ugly came from.
Michael: Yep. So I'm not a huge fan of that. But you know what? Don't go out looking like a slob. I don't go out looking like a slob.
Lisa McGrath: I mean I'm scared.
Michael: Right. I mean, put something reasonable on. Like I don't even care
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, that's fair.
Michael: if it's just if it's just a t shirt, a t-shirt or a a regular shirt, and I don't even care if it's like the yoga pants. Not a huge fan of them, but I understand okay, it's they're everywhere and and women find them comfortable. But it's not
Lisa McGrath: not be overmanded.
Michael: it doesn't look like you just got out of bed.
Lisa McGrath: That's fair. Yeah, most of the time I don't look like I got out of bed. Most of the time. Like most of the time I actually put effort into like going out some. Like if I have especially if I have to go out to the grocery store. Because and I think that a lot of people will understand this, especially if you're an entrepreneur or you're someone who runs your own business. God forbid you run into somebody on a random fucking Saturday and you look like a slob. Like I do th I Think about that. Like my kids are always like, Mom, it's Saturday. Why are you putting on makeup? Why are you getting dressed? Why are you? And I'm like, Because if I run into somebody that knows me as a my client, as a potential client, as a potential, you know, collaboration, I don't want to run into them looking like a slob. I can have, you know, my hair up in a messy bun with some decent clothes on, and that's okay. But to walk out in fucking like jammy pants and slippers and like, no, that's not a thing for me. It will never be a thing for me. I did that after I had my kids. I would go to the store in my fucking slippies. I'm not gonna lie to you. That's not even a lie. I drove my truck and I went to the store. My babies were little. I had next to no sleep, and I was like, I don't give a fuck who sees me. So
Michael: Well, and again, that's that's the ten percent on either side that you know, like there's always outlier stuff and you know what those are great. And that's awesome that the woman or the man or whoever is making those choices to go the hard sleep and pushing forward and doing that type of stuff and putting themselves as secondary. Right? But what what we were talking about
Lisa McGrath: For the time being, yeah.
Michael: was you're in a relationship, and so what, if we're gonna
go pick up groceries and the other person decides, you know what? yeah, we're gonna go pick up groceries. I'm gonna put my clothes on that have holes in it, that have paint marks all over them, or I'm gonna wear my jammies out. You're like, But what if I run into my friends, my family, my coworkers, my boss, my clients, whatever it is, and you're gonna be like, Who's this? I don't know.
Lisa McGrath: I don't know it is dude.
Michael: Right, just be no, because people judge, and it it just it is what it is, people will judge, and it can have a reflection on how you choose to present yourself and take care of yourself is a reflection in your business, in your relationships, in your how-to's, right? Taking care of your household, taking care of yourself, and then reflecting it out in the world. You have to start at the beginning, right? Which we we talked about in conversation, we talked about it. You
Lisa McGrath: I agree. I think, yeah.
Michael: have to start at the beginning.
Lisa McGrath: I think there's a little bit of I don't give a fuck from my side. Like there are things that my kids or like not so much my partner, but my kids or friends of mine will wear that are fucking questionable. And
Michael: Right.
Lisa McGrath: I I still it I won't ever disassociate, even if I run into a business contact. I might move them over a little bit, but I'll never s not like I'll never not. introduce like these are my kids or this is my friend and I'll be like, I'll just be a minute. Because for me, you're not dealing with them. You're dealing with me. Right. And you can have an opinion because people will always say, well, you are the company you keep. Well, in that moment, maybe there's something going on in their lives where they don't have they don't have the gusto to get ready. They just or they're just, or they're just being fucking lazy that day. And everyone's allowed to have a lazy day. Like I say lazy Sundays and I'm like, don't ask me to do anything. It's lazy Sunday.
Michael: Now remember, if you really want to be lazy, there is Uber. There is delivery. There are all these other things. So if you're calling it lazy and going out, you know what? Commit to laziness, commit to lazy, pick up your phone and order it. And order
Lisa McGrath: I do. I order in. I order in.
Michael: it.
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, I order in. And that's what we 'cause like we call it. So we have Fat Fridays and Lazy Sundays. So Fat
Michael: Love it.
Lisa McGrath: Fridays are we order in or we go out. And if we go out, I tell the kids wear something like outside of fucking jammy pants. Especially
Michael: Right.
Lisa McGrath: if you want to go somewhere. Like if we're going to Denny's, fine. You wanna go to Denny's, you wear jammy pants, no fucking problem. But if we're going to like Montana's Cactus Club, Moxie's, no. Put something else on, please. Please.
Michael: Can you need real close, real close.
Lisa McGrath: Yeah, wear some real clothes. It's all good. Okay, I have to go to the bathroom, so we have to wrap this up.
Michael: Well, I we're at time anyway, so we gotta wrap it
Lisa McGrath: I know, I know. I'm like, my god. Okay.
Michael: I gotta go change out of my pajama pants anyways.
Lisa McGrath: Jesus. I love that for you.
Michael: Okay, I'm just kidding.
Lisa McGrath: I mean you committed to lazy. Love that.
Michael: No, I have real pants on. Do I?
Lisa McGrath: you know what? Stay seated, please. Okay, good talk.
Michael: Yeah.
Lisa McGrath: All right, everybody.
Michael: Nan.
Lisa McGrath: Have a wonderful week. Thanks for following along and listening to us. as always, catch you on the flip side and don't do anything crazy.