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Welcome back cover one Draft Weekly,
John Helmcamp, my buddy Daniel Harms,
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and a very special guest by the
name of JaMarcus Russell who ironically looks nothing
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like JaMarcus Russell. Uh, it's
the incomparable. Dave danishek joining us,
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joining us here today? How are
you if I'm better for your company?
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It's a pleasure, John. I've
been following you on on social media for
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a number of years. Now why
I enjoy it? I mean I listen.
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Yeah, maybe by the end of
this show, I can. I
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can, I can multitask and while
we're talking, I'll go on too all
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social media and unfollow you if that
would make you. Here's my suggestion for
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you. I want you guys to
cook up an a cappella theme song,
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but every show starts with the two
of you guys belting it out to show
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how much you love football. That's
all it has to be. Ab I
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was like football, we love it, you know whatever, and like the
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now it has a vibe. Right, Well, I'm just gonna clip I'm
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just gonna clip that audio that you
just say, and I'm just gonna upload
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it as an audio clip and play
at the start of the next episode football.
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We love it. It's perfect,
gorgeous, It's fantastic. I need
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a better quality recording of that later. But thanks so much for joining us.
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This is gonna be a lot of
fun. I'm excited to sit down
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with you and been following your content
for for a long time. Back in
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the NFL Network Fantasy Football Days with
Adam Rank, who's also become a pretty
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decent friend of mine over the years, which has been really cool. Uh
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God, the back to the Future
segment, the check Report, all the
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things. It's been a lot of
fun. What was that era like working
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with he and Fabiano and all those
other degenerates and just getting to have so
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much fun on a day to day
Well, it was in a high hindsight,
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obviously it was great. The short
answer is getting to flat my gums
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about football and sports is always something
that I love doing, of course,
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and appreciate getting another season to be
able to do it. And so when
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they were putting a fantasy show together, I was contacted by somebody. Actually,
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the guy who hit me up was
coincidentally, this isn't irony, but
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this is from the NFL. His
name was Tom Brady, still is,
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but not that Tom Brady, but
he was an executive over there at the
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NFL who reached out to me.
But yeah, it was just like a
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Sunday morning digital show for ninety minutes
and then very quickly it caught on.
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And so it was fun in those
first couple few years when you could feel,
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wow, this is getting big and
the NFL. What's funny in hindsight
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is that they were kind of like
a year three behind the competitors, you
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know, or partners or whatever,
ESPN, CBS and otherwise. They didn't
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fully jump into fantasy. They didn't
know if the football audience cared about it,
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and so they sort of waited out
to see how the market reacted to
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it. It's very similar to what
has been with gambling over the last few
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years now that it was like,
yeah, we're not gonna embrace that.
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Now they're in witness. I don't
know if you heard, but the last
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Super Bowl was in Vegas, so
I think that's a pretty decent indication that
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they now do embrace gambling. Yeah, it was interesting to watch, you
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know. Back then, I think
it was ESPN and Yahoo were kind of
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two of the first ones that really
started going in on the content side of
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fantasy sports. CBS has been doing
fantasy like as a platform forever, but
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watching kind of Matthew Berry start taking
off and stuff like that, and then
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NFL still running strong with it.
Rink is still over there doing his thing
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along with Marcus Krant and a bunch
of other people. One of my good
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buddies, Mattocatta, actually works in
the NFL Fantasy department also down there in
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Inglewood. He's got a horrible apartment. I don't envy him for that one,
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being right there next to the stadium. But it's super cool period in
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time and watching that content. Yeah, that's very very abundantly clear by your
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background. It's I don't know,
maybe you can tell you're a Steelers fan.
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What is what is a yinser?
Can you explain what yinser is to
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me? Because I don't know what
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we don't
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know. Well, it's it comes
from yinser, comes from the the truncated
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you guys or whatever slang. Just
as you have y'all down south Pittsburgh's have
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ye Jane's one guy. We could
go downtown. United Steelers is in town
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on you know, it's in town. Later today, we get down there,
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we got we got some get some
beers and and sit down and watch
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the game. Dude, So what
we should do? Uh? But yeah
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that's the I guess, the long
and short of of doing that. Yeah,
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it's funny. It sounded remarkably similar
to a Chicago accent. Basically a
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bunch of people that that jig a
lot of beer and like to go hang
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out and watch their their local homecome
boys. Uh down there at the it's
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funny Chicago Chicago is I got that
that that a that you know, I
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find that unattractive. The Boston accent
is is maybe worse than Chicago. And
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I gotta say, I love all
things Pittsburgh, but the worst thing about
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it is the accent. And I
disliked it so much when I was a
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teenager going into you know, my
twenties or whatever, that I sort of
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forced myself not to have it because
because my mom she got it, and
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you know a lot of people my
family got it, and so I was
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like, I don't want to have
any Pittsburgh accent, and so I forced
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myself not to have one. And
what it yielded was this weird accent that
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isn't a Pittsburgh accent, but confuses
people to this very day. Yeah,
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Like, what's your accident? You're
like, it's nothing. I made it
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up. It was to intentionally not
be a y inser basically. Yeah.
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And now since I've been in LA
I mean for a long time now,
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but at least eight or ten people
over the years of askmir like, are
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you from like Alabama or something like
Alabama? I sound like I'm from the
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Deep South. Boy, We've really
Dave's really talked himself into a weird place
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in the on the map of the
US. You know, it's it's it's
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interesting talking about, you know,
the Steelers. And I don't know if
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you guys know, but we have
an NFL draft coming up in a couple
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of months. So the next week
is the NFL Combine. So we got
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a lot of a lot of players
coming out. And because you're a Steelers
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fan and coming into the season,
I was actually kind of high on the
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Pittsburgh Steelers. There was kind there
was a lot of talk about, hey,
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the Steelers could be pretty good and
funny enough to ended up going to
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the playoffs. So what is how
do you really feel about this current state
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of the Steelers as it stands today, Well, I think there's a really
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interesting just on face when you look
at the two conferences. You know,
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Baseball had rules that made it so
that there was a designated hit or only
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in the one league and the other
league the pitchers had to hit. But
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football just sort of naturally has sort
of unfolded in a way over the last
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decade or so where almost all of
the superhero quarterbacks are on one side of
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the bracket. They're all in the
AFC. So the way you approach team
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building in that conference, at least
in this mini air and things will change.
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Caleb Williams, it would appear,
is going to wind up in Chicago.
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Drake may may wind up in Washington, and so maybe that shifts things
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to a degree. But as it
stands right now, all the superheroes are
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on the AFC side. So when
you talk about the Steelers, you can
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wring your hands and say, if
you're a Steelers fan, how are they
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ever going to get around these guys? And then my pushback to that is,
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and maybe I'm trying to talk myself
into something and rationalize it, because
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there is no practical way way short
of really trading a ton of assets,
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and by the way, maybe the
Steelers will do that. You don't have
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to buy this thing that everybody attempts
to sell, like the Steelers are old
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school and they don't make moves like
that. That's all predicated on stuff that
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happened literally with decision makers last century, last millennium, and then since then
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Kevin Colbert did the ball that Omark
Hunt's just getting going. You don't know
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what he's gonna do. The notion
that the Steelers philosophically don't operate that I
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kind of honestly feel like is potentially
out the window if they really want to
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try now don't. But all that
wind up to say, I don't think
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it's realistic to go from twenty up
to say three, to get Jadeen Daniels
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or Drake May. And I also
like when people get cavalier about like just
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trade up and get one of those
qbs, like which one do you want?
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Like, dude, dey go illa
get one of them. It's like
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they're not all the same though you
understand, you understand it's not like Dave.
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Look. A lot of people in
Pittsburgh hit me up during the season,
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like, dude, look at Will
Levis that's all the Steelers call a
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day. They gotta go just get
a guy like Will Levis in the second
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round. It's like, I don't
know that the circumstances of Will Levis getting
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to you doesn't equal Michael Pennick's falling
and being like, well, see,
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if we want to be like the
Titans, that's all we have to do.
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And do we want to be like
the Titans anyway? But anyway,
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but yeah, that's neither here nor
there to answer your question. I feel
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like, after seven minutes of babbling
for me, I kind of like where
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they are. And again, you
can ascribe this to rationalizing from a Steelers
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fan, but the Bills have had
Josh Allen for a while now, and
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Lamar Jackson has been in charm City
for a while, and Justin Herbert with
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the Charge for a while. None
of them beat Patrick Mahomes. They have
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superhero qbs and that wasn't enough for
them. So maybe zigging against the zag
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of obsessing over getting that QB instead
in this conference, maybe there's something to
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be said for building it the line
of scrimmage. By the way, Omar
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con one of the first things he
did was steal Andy Widel from the wrong
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side of Pennsylvania and brought him over
to the right side. He's a Pittsburgh
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guy. Andy Widel made the Eagles
relevant over the last decade by always in
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those drafts with Roseman and company loading
up on both sides of the line of
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scrimmage. And you know, that's
kind of what they're doing. And you
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can get very easily distracted by and
Tony Romo and all the talking heads will
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take you there. They'll make it
easy to say, like there's no beating
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at the end of the day.
You just can't beat Patrick Mahomes. Jim's
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like, hey, Patrick Mahomes,
score great, great, Romo good,
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wasn't it good? He so like
you kind of out of man Titan the
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gut a little bit there, Jim, Yeah, it's yeah, it's good.
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It's good. I just think this
is great. You get Beam.
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But of course the hand beat Mahomes
and and Joe Burrow is the kryptonite.
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But okay, this side of Joe
Burrow. A lot of these teams that
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have built around QB still excuse me, have not been able to do what
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they built around the QB to do, which has worked their way around fifteen
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in the Kansas City Chiefs, and
I don't feel sad about it. A
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lot of people like, oh,
you just got a better You're in the
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conference with Patrick Mahomes. What are
you gonna do. It's like, yeah,
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I was in a conference with Tom
Brady too, and h and the
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Dallas Cowboys were in an NFL with
the Pittsburgh Steelers in the seventies and that
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gotten their way from winning Lombardes.
And then in the eighties Brett Farv was
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in a conference and the nineties with
Troy Aikman and Joe Montana and then Steve
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Young, and that got in the
way of his getting some Lombardies. And
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that's the way the cookie crumbles.
They are always gonna be good quarterbacks and
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now it's the quarterback League. All
that said, I get it. Can
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he Piket two years through is not
the difference maker for the team. But
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Josh Allen didn't make enough of a
difference to beat Patrick Mahomes in the divisional
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round himself. And so I do
think that the teams that have taken the
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best runs at the Chiefs over the
last couple of years, the Niners and
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the Eagles did it via bully ball. Pushing them around a little bit.
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So that's my long answer to your
to your simple question. So ironically you're
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speaking with a Bills fan and Daniel
is a so we have a little bit
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of a say in this AFC conversation
here. I like to tell everybody Casey
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didn't know that I'm a lifelong Bills
fan since October. I went through this
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whole thing where I was picking my
future team because I was feeling disenfranchised and
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floating in the NFL stratosphere and out
of sided. Landing on the Bills after
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doing a very extensive research project.
But I think ranked it that ten years
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ago him he did, He did, Yep, he did, which is
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funny because I flipped from the Bears
to the Bills. So we just traded,
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we traded places. But speaking of
the Bears, and you're very obviously
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not Chicago accent, may I interest
you in one justin fields, there's been
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talk about that that's been swirling around. You're looking at potentially looking for a
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difference maker at the quarterback position.
He has a sky high ceiling. It's
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just the consistency hasn't been there.
Do you think that maybe a change of
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scenery to a situation like Pittsburgh with
an established coaching staff and culture and stuff
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like that could could be a kind
of bargain bin way of getting a potential
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top twerr quarterback. First of all, we fixate on like you gotta trade
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up into the top five picks to
get one of those qbs or your goose
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is cooked. And we sell this
during the draft process every year. And
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Matt Miller of ESPN, who knows
what he's talking about, said, bottom
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line, reacting to that Super Bowl, if you don't have Patrick Mahomes or
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someone who can play on his level, you have no shot. It's like,
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well, no one's on Patrick Mahomes. It's closer, I think than
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a lot of people will sell it. But nevertheless, the results are in.
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Patrick Mahomes is a tick better than
pretty much all the other guys.
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So he's playing against the court at
QB. So I think with Justin Fields,
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the thing that the two biggest things
don't I mean, he hasn't been
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very accurate in the NFL, and
I don't love that long wind up he's
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got to take unloaded. But he's
an imperfect guy and that's why in perfect
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quarterback. But that's why he's available. Presumably we haven't been told that one
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hundred percent, but you can pretty
much read the tea leaves that it and
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it does make all the sense in
the world. If you're the Bears where
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they are, it wouldn't make sense
for them to pay out justin fields when
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they have the flaws they have with
their roster for the Steelers. And I
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get the cynicism about, like,
I don't see it with this guy.
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I don't think he's the answer,
and you'd have to give up a lot.
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I don't want to give up a
second round pick. Better to give
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up a third round pick as far
as that goes, if we have to
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get justin fields. But either way, if you kind of look at this
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draft and much can change with these
college kids and how they profile a year
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from now versus now. But the
other side of that was two years ago
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now Spencer Rattler was like, oh
man, he's he's the guy. He's
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now, you know, almost an
afterthought, And now there's a late push
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like, well, the kid's got
a live arm, that game cock.
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You know, he's a guy Like
yeah, did we forget about the arc
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of his seventeen year college experience?
Yeah, But anyway, so maybe things
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can get better for some of the
kids out there. But as it stands
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right now, the twenty twenty five
draft is not nearly as good a QB
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as this one is. And but
I do caution everybody, or just encourage
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you to not have amnesia and look
around as we tick through those qbs.
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Was Jalen Hurts one of the top
five picks in his draft? Justin Herbert
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was what did he go? Six? Or wherever he went? But he
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went behind two other quarterbacks, you
know, Russell Wilson. I don't know
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if you heard where Tom Brady was
drafted, but it was late. You
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can tick through all those. So
the obsession with like if you don't get
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one of those quarterbacks and the only
way to get one those quarterbacks is to
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trade way up to get there,
really stink it up and go one in
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sixteen. That's the only way you're
ever gonna get one of those guys.
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Ain't necessarily true. One Two.
If you don't love the crop in this
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draft, the next look at the
free agents right now at QB and look
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at the ones that are gonna be
available at this time next year. It
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ain't great. Kirk Cousins is a
nice option, but you are gonna have
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to pay him probably ninety million dollars
to get him into into your place.
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Russell Wilson, I do not want
the vibe. Ain't right and walking into
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the Steelers locker room is the guy
who's gonna make the difference. It just
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it has a stink on it now. I think what you do is you
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flood the zone if they can keep
Mac. Also, we're at a point
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now where, like you say,
the combine is on its way, then
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free agency, then the draft and
so these are all moving parts. We
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don't know if Mason Rudolph the Steelers
have a better sense than we do right
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now, if Mason Rudolph is going
to wind up back with the Steelers.
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They can read what's going on out
there if it's going to be and if
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it is Kenny Pickett Mason Rudolph,
I know a lot of people in Pittsburgh
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and out are going to say,
like, well, they're doomed, they
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have no chance if that's what they're
gonna roll with again this year. I
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would say to your point about where
the ceiling is for justin fields, it's
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pretty high. And I think if
you now, if you have to extend
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him, not just pick up his
fifth year option, but extend him for
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five years beyond that. Then I
would not make the deal. But if
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you can get if you can pick
up his fifth year option, you're talking
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about like thirty two or thirty three
million dollars over two years for Picket and
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Fields, Well that's a great deal. You know, most most teams that
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are contending teams or fancy themselves contenters
are paying a lot more than that for
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one guy over one. If the
Steelers can have an advantage created by paying
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their QB and two qbs that I
get, the draft pick that they would
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have to give up is not a
small thing, but still you're picking up
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what I'm laying down. There is
an advantage that they would have in the
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ability to build the rest of the
roster out that those teams that are paying
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fifty something million to josh Allen Lamar
Jackson don't have at this point. Yeah,
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I think that that makes a lot
of sense. And when you talk
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about the Bears and Justin Fields,
that brings us like to the top of
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the draft, Like they obviously have
control of what's going to be happening.
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And with Justin Fields being in that
whole realm. I want to get a
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little insight into what you think the
Chicago Bears should do, because obviously they
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have the number one overall pick.
If this was what you were going to
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lay out, what your plan for
the Bears, and that really the how
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this draft is going to go,
what would you do. It's funny that
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there are and this is the cycle, and it's funny you guys, Like
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I've tried to track it, but
you might might find it fun the beats
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of the draft process every year and
like they hit in within like almost the
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same week every year. And we're
in that place now where now we got
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to start dinging some of these guys. Caleb Williams has been too praise.
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How we must chip away at that
and create some intrigue that maybe it should
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be Drake May, maybe it should
be Jayden Daniels over him. They definitely
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need to take one of those quarterbacks
you justin fields where he is. The
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results are in in this millennium,
even the even in the age of Tom
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Brady and Peyton Manning. Half of
the quarterbacks who start in Super Bowls over
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the last twenty three years now twenty
two to twenty three years now, this
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millennium have been on their rookie contract, even the great ones. Joe Burrow
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has been to a super Bowl,
but of course was in his second season.
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And if you go through it as
I have and take away, you'll
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find that half of those guys,
this is including the era of Tom Brady,
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as I say, who played until
he was in his fifties or whatever
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he was, he I mean still
skewing that number, and it was half
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the guys. You want the real
deal, QB, but you want him
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on his rookie deal. And if
you want as hot a take as I
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can give about pro football one that
I mean, I can throw out a
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lot. I don't believe I'd rather
have all available quarterbacks starting with this draft
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down versus josh Aden Lamar Jackson in
terms of who I think is going to
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win more Lombardies over the next decade. How say you add that up?
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Up? Add it up? Do
it? Do it? Everybody is so
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cavalier talk about
again. Here's one
of my favorite takes. Jim Joshi's got
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nothing to hang his head up.
He's gonna be back here, He's gonna
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have other chances, Like, how
do you know that Tony like he's Patrick
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Mahomes ain't leaving, Lamar Jackson's sticking
around, and guess what, Joe Burrow's
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coming back next year. This idea
that like you're you're, you're entitled to
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because of individual greatness A Lombardi.
I know that Dan Marino is the guy
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who's always cited. I hereby predict
that he's gonna have a whole bunch of
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company in a decade, at least
two of these guys who we swoon over.
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I just last week did this with
Scott Pianowski from Yahoo, and nobody,
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not not nearly enough people weighed in. So I'll thank you guys to
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do it because I'm vain and I
like when people respond to the questions I
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ask on social media. Sure go
through the next decade. Here's the big
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thing that happens as they're walking off
the field, like, dude, yes,
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Josh is gonna get in. You
know, Lamar's gonna there's a great
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situation and they're gonna The Ravens have
nothing to hang their head about. Yes,
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they do have something to hang their
head about. They just devoted a
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full year of their lives, of
their professional lives to doing this and getting
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past this team to get to the
Super Bowl and they failed. Of course
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they should hang their heads. It's
not it's not an infinite number of shots
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they get. Lamar Jackson probably at
this point in his career, Josh Allen,
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those guys probably have eight to eleven
more shots at it. And the
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older they get, the more it's
gonna have to be around. They need
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some help. They're not as dynamic
as they used to be. They're already
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getting to that place, respectively,
are those two cats? And Patrick Mahomes
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is in the way? And then
once a decade, something like Joe Flacco's
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Ravens or Brad Johnson's Bucks are gonna
are gonna spoil things. And that's one
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less Lombardi you're gonna get. It's
the one Lombardy per year QB conundrum.
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This promising well he'll get his doesn't
add up in terms of math, and
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I hate math. They're only gonna
give out
one at the end of the
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year, and Patrick Mahomes keeps taking
too many of them. So where are
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these available Lombardes? And everybody's gonna
win multiple Lombardes. It's it's some weird
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digital empathy that people attempt as they're
like, hey, Bills fans, wild
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ride this year. Keep your chins
up. But why there's so much The
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Bills went to four straight Super Bowls, like they know what that's like to
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just not be able to get it
done. And that's why when like Dan
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Campbell was so with his team afterwards, like we might not get here again.
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That's what needs to be said more
because media and the announcers like you
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were saying, they're always like they're
too good not to That's not how the
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NFL works. Unfortunately for everyone else. Patrick Mahomes has been too good for
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that to not happen. But for
a lot of these other teams, don't
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forget. C. J. Stroud's
coming too. He's there. Their defense
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is gonna get better, their offensive
line is gonna get better. There all
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going to collectively get better. These
teams, man, you gotta find ways
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to get out of their own way
at times. And I know I'm not
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trying to bring this Chiefs centric,
but they this was the worst team,
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the worst Chiefs team that Patrick Mahomes
is had. Okay, I agree,
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funny you say that offensive. I
said. What I said three years ago
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is that I was doing making the
same doom and gloom talk. So don't
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so so don't resent me too much, John about because I said that and
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then they traded. This is before
they trade traded Tyreek Hill. I said,
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like, it's not to say Patrick
Mahomes is never going to win another
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Lombardy because he's great, but he's
already been on the best team he's ever
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going to be on. The The
The thing that the Bills have to do,
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which is super easy to float out
there, but and the Ravens need
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to do this and so on,
is uh they they need to pull a
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straight flush like the Chiefs just have
done in the last couple of years.
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With the drafts, especially defense like
that, how can we get past the
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Bills? Forget the swooning genuflection to
Patrick Mahomes. He's awesome and all that,
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but again, one touchdown against that
Niners defense, It's not like he
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was the difference. He made some
special plays, and I believe me,
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I've watched Josh Allen make some special
plays that that feel like, oh it
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was so close, but in the
last minute, seventeen steps up and it's
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like, oh yeah, I mean
like he was that wasn't available to him
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all game. But when this when
they had to have it, Josh Allen
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did it. And that's the difference
between him and the Remember that frozen game
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in Buffalo two Decembers ago against Miami
and was like, well, they have
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no chance too, it keeps getting
hurt. And then they had him on
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the ropes. I'm not talking about
the Skylar Thompson playoff game. I'm talking
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about the two A game up there. Yeah, yeah, those Florida boys
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gonna fly up the snowy Buffalo and
compete with the Bills, please, And
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they were hanging with him, but
I remember in the last minute, Josh
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Allen snapped off a couple of runs
and a big time crazy throw and that
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was the difference. And so maybe
you can delude yourself into thinking, or
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maybe I'm deluding myself into thinking like
they can get by by zigging against the
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chief zag. Maybe they can't.
But I also know that based on the
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evidence that we've seen that the Bills
method hasn't worked. I mean, it's
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gotten closer than it has the Steelers, but it hasn't worked out. And
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now they're into Josh Allen as that
number is really going to get heavy in
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terms of salary cap in the in
the percentage that one cat is going to
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suck up is going to make it
harder to And the thing I know we're
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not nobody asked about the Bills and
now I'm just punishing you, John.
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But the other thing is really in
their way. That is that Stefan Diggs
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contract. I don't know how they're
getting out from under that thing. But
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like with those two things on the
books, I don't know how that team
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gets better. And they weren't great
this year. They were Josh Allen they
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I mean that was like they were
Josh Allen and at times a real heavy
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pass rush, and that was what
made that Bills team, you know,
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look like that maybe they could they
got a puncher's chance against Mahomes. I
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didn't buy the Bills all season long. But by the way, to answer
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the question on the Bears, it's
a different premise, Like you know you're
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gonna have an edge, you would
think as long as Caleb Williams and keep
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in mind, it's a sixty forty
proposition for all the people like you gotta
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get this guy, he can't miss. It's sixty forty. The guys spend
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their entire lives breaking down tape,
get it right, you know a little
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bit more than half the time,
whether they're on an NFL team in the
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scouting department or they're on TV talking
about it, the best do it,
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like I say, a little bit
more than fifty percent accurately. But okay,
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let's assume they get Caleb Williams right
Well, now they have a huge
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advantage in the NFC that because they're
just or not those so by year two,
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give them, give them another weapon
and just create what has not existed
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in Chicago. Just I know,
Bears fans, I lived in Chicago for
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a decade. Maybe you do have
some Chicago accident, and yet I got
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the Chicago up on the North side. They they I just I feel like,
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become this. The defense is already
sound. So if it breaks so
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that they could get let's say,
Caleb Williams, and I don't think it's
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going to work out for them to
get Marv Harrison, but if they can
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get a weapon like that and the
pieces from last year plus DJ Moore and
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Johnson, I mean, you're getting
to in a soft conference. You're getting
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to a team that is going to
be intriguing as soon as next year,
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as soon as autumn of this year. But yeah, I think, I
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mean, obviously you take a quarterback, you move Justin Fields and basically also
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leverage it if you if if he
remember the noise about three weeks ago was
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that he kind of preferred DC.
Okay, then the whole DC hostage with
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that, you know, make them
trade to get the first overall pick,
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make them move up by one.
They're gonna have to trade you something legitimate.
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They're gonna have to give you a
legit pick to make that move.
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So add even more draft picks to
the load, really build it up around
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Caleb Williams. I don't think that
seems that far away. Yeah, I
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am in agreement with you, and
I've always been a huge Justin Fields supporter.
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It's funny you were talking earlier about
the pre draft process and how we
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go through these ebbs and these flows
and how you start knocking on people and
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stuff like that. I remember all
the pre draft slander that came out about
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Justin Fields. I was up in
arms. I was so mad. I
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remember that there was a clip where
or a certain commentator that I won't name,
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was saying that Fields wasn't a hard
worker or it wasn't a good leader,
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and I was just like, what
the are you talking about? And
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then the next day comes out and
he's like, no, Fields is the
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consummate pro. So I've always been
like in Fields camp and like that outraged
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me to no end. And then
he did slide on draft Day and I
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was so mad. I was living
in downtown Chicago and River North at the
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time when I was again drifting between
football teams, and they traded up and
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they took Fields, the guy that
I'd been banging the table for all off
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season when I was in downtown.
I heard my building shake when Justin Fields
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was drafted, and I was like, Okay, bear down, let's go.
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I'm in on. Chicago didn't last. But anyways, it's hard for
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me as an avid Justin Field's advocate
to sit back and say no, the
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right thing strategically to do is to
move on from Justin because I still believe
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that he does have a ton of
upside. I still believe that he can
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be a good NFL quarterback. I
think that there's many teams around the league
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that would provide him with maybe a
more established situation to go to that also
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still need a quarterback. Right now. That could give him a shot at
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kind of just a change of scenery, revamping things and go from there.
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He's a Georgia kid. But if
he goes back to Atlanta, you know,
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I'm going for him. That makes
sense, you know, for you
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know, and you know,
obviously
they're human beings. And so if you're
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Caleb Williams and you're twenty one or
twenty two whatever he is, and he's
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like I grew up in Washington,
d C. What a thrill it would
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be to get to do it for
the local football collective, then that's something.
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And if Justin Fields pines to do
that, But if he's looking at
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football situation, I do think Atlanta
is a good one. I think that
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the optimal guy for them is Russell
Wilson. They need they have young talent
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in there, and I don't think
and they've made it pretty clear that they
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are anxious to get a QB this
year. I don't know. Maybe they
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could move up and get one of
those Big three. And if they do,
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then then that's one way to go. And with Fields, I think
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if you put him in Pittsburgh or
a team that's a little further along than
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where the Falcons are. Yes,
the Falcons present as a dynamic team in
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fantasy, but they're not stretched in
such a way that they're going to in
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real football take things over. In
twenty twenty four, Pittsburgh has a chance
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to be to be real good.
And it's very strange to me. I'm
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talking about this year. They the
asterisk is obviously a QB. I still
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like him, and people always tell
me all your people always accuse me of
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being such a homer, except that
in twelve years or thirteen years, I
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can't remember how long it's been.
I haven't missed the Steelers' final record by
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more than a game when I predicted, So that includes eight and eighths and
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some bum years and all that kind
of stuff. So it's not like I'm
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always pie in the sky about what
I think is going to be. I
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mean, this team just won ten
games a couple of weeks ago, just
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got the tenimated to the playoffs.
There's zero reason for the cynicism like they
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they're gonna go eight, eight and
one this year they're gonna be bad.
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There's no indication that that would be
the case. They're gonna have a relatively
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favorable schedule, they are I think
going to continue what I mentioned, that
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wide philosophy of building up at the
line of scrimmage, and all that being
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said, it wouldn't complete me,
completely floor me if you heard Wait Con
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did what they traded all the way
up to two to get Jade and Daniels.
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I know that's highly unlikely. I
am not predicting that that's gonna happen,
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But the idea that that's not something
the Steelers have ever done therefore it's
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not something they'll do now is stink
and thinking that's owed to something attached to
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former regimes. And well, the
Rooney family is still there, Okay,
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Art two is in charge now,
before that Dan was in charge of before
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or that Art was in charge.
They're different human beings operating in different generations
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with different rules in place and all
that sort of thing. But you know,
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for for the Bears fan out there, another interesting year awaits. But
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man, that that division is is
going to be rough this coming season,
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right, assuming that Kirk Cousins does
wind up back in Minnesota, which I
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think he will. Yeah, Kirk
comes back, the Lions are legit and
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just are going to fall off a
cliff. Obviously a little bit better so
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Packers look like they're improving. Jordan
Love's second half of the season looked really
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good. I think that. I
think that the uh, the Chicagoans are
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are pretty pissed off watching Jordan Love
second half of the season, Like,
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really, you guys did it again? You really went from quarterback to quarterback
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to quarterback with with no gap.
I think it's uh, it's it's it's
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rough. It's rough there in Chicagoland
right now. Jes just remember what I
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said five years ago now and now
it has five years tacked on to whatever
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the number was then. I think, what has it been thirty one,
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thirty two years or something like thirty
three years where they have never had Now
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Jordan Love, Okay, he's on
his way, he's ascendant, but he's
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not there yet. But prior to
Jordan Love, the Packers never had worse
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than the third or fourth best QB
in all of football. Same number of
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Lombardes as Joe Flacco and Trant Dilford
delivered to Baltimore. So that should make
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you feel better. That's great.
I think that that's a beautiful I think
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it's a beautiful nugget to end it
on. It's a great stat there.
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Thank you so much for joining us, Dave. I really appreciate the time.
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It was great. Love to have
you back. Hey, the draft
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is in what's my countdown, say
sixty two days. It's going to be
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here really fast. So maybe we
can we can talk shop a little bit
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after the draft and and see if
Pittsburgh pulled off a crazy trade to get
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the quarterback of the future, if
they're riding with the same duo and three
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quarters of Steelers fans are going to
be pissed off going into next year,
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or maybe justin Fields is the new
Buffalo bill starting quarterback when John I don't
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know what's going to happen, and
no one does unless unless you have a
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copy of the script, in which
case send it over. I got to
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get those scripts. You know.
Journalisms, I always say that when they're
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when people always are like, man, don't you know that the news is
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fake? That they're just like It's
like, man, I went to a
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pretty good journalism school, and then
I've worked in the media in some way
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or the other for the last twenty
five years. If nothing else, my
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feelings are hurt that no one's looped
me in on the big scheme. No
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one pulls me aside and it's like, hey, Dave, just show you
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know. Here's what we're doing is
media. We're lying to the American people
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about this, that and the other. Why don't why why don't I get
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kissed in? You know once,
if anyone's got a plug, it's going
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to be Adam Rank, So feel
free to give them a text and we'll
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see, well, see if we
can get the plug there. Thanks so
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much for joining us. This again
was cover one Draft Weekly John Helmcamp,
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Daniel Harmes, joined by the incredible
JaMarcus Russell. Thank you for taking the
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time with us. They really appreciate
it. Drank