Ep34 - The Marvels Retrospective with She Hulk Review bölümünün tam dökümü

I'm throwing in some little um little tidbits of things that at the end of the episode I'll reveal what they are about a little bit. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.640 I thought I'd have a little fun this week and try something new. 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:08.479 So if you're like, why is he saying it that way? 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:09.360 Be like, mm-hmm. 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:10.560 Stay tuned. 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:17.919 So, anyways, uh then we're gonna roll on over to our Rumamo rundown, and we got some three cool rumors to talk about. 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:24.800 Like, our is Doomsday collecting some villains, some bombastic villains, we will see. 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:29.120 And then uh a little bit of West Coast Avengers, will they actually be? 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:31.039 Maybe when I say so. 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:36.159 And then uh Zodiac, is that gonna be the agents of shield reboot? 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:38.639 Why don't we just let them let them be? 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:39.280 Hmm. 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:46.000 And then we're gonna move on into our branch point breakdown where we are gonna be discussing She-Hulk. 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.039 So, just in case you don't know, she's not a girl, but she's not yet a woman. 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:53.599 So, we'll talk about that. 00:02:53.840 --> 00:03:00.000 And then our main event, which is our retrospective review of the Marvels. 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:01.840 Is one of them a slave for you? 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:05.520 Is one of them love rock and roll, or is one of them a sinner? 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:06.479 We'll have to find out. 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.479 There's three of them, so we have three guesses. 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:10.400 So interesting. 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:17.919 What do you think of the our um our agenda for this week and my little tidbits there? 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.240 I like it, and it's gonna be fun to get there. 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:21.120 I'll be honest. 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:28.319 I will have to tell you, you make it saying the retrospective of the marbles sound like a good time. 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:31.759 I've never heard it sound like that before. 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:34.240 No, it'll be fun. 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:34.879 This is interesting. 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:41.039 I am so uh stoked that we're on episode 34 to begin with, and we're this close to doomsday. 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:42.639 I mean, it's like you're starting to feel it. 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:47.360 Seeing a new TV spot came out today that we will probably talk about next week or next time. 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:53.840 But it's like, I mean, we're getting there, guys, you know, and it's always gonna be interesting. 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:54.479 Yep. 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.719 Expect a lot more TV spots like between now and the 18th. 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:02.400 We're we're filming this, it's being released on the 6th right now of November. 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.360 And so it's like I bet we have a trailer for next week. 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:06.479 Oh, yeah. 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:10.159 Um yeah, one of the exact one month away time period. 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:11.039 Yeah, of course. 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:13.039 I'm actually surprised we haven't gotten that yet. 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.240 So, anyways, so we got news, we got rumors, yeah. 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:18.720 We got a little she-hawk we're talking about today, too. 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:25.600 And so, gosh, um, and in case you haven't noticed, I'm wearing Miss Jennifer Walters right here. 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.000 So surprises in this episode, I think. 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:29.519 We've got some interesting things to talk about. 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:29.839 Yeah. 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:30.959 Oh, yeah, totally. 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.399 All right, so what do you say we get things kicked off? 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:35.519 Let's do it. 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:46.000 Okay, guys, the multiverse minute where we're gonna talk about the news of the week. 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:50.720 And as I said in our intro, guys, we got four topics we're gonna be talking to you about. 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:54.399 By the way, if you are following us on social media, thank you very much. 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.160 If you're not, please go and do so. 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:00.319 We're on Facebook, we're on TikTok, we're on Instagram, we're on X, and we're on YouTube. 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:08.480 Please like, please subscribe, please comment, get the algorithm going for us, guys, and we're gonna jump right on into our multiverse minute first topic. 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:10.560 Nick Fury will return. 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:12.560 Oh boy, let's see. 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:14.879 So, yes, it is true, Samuel L. 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:25.120 Jackson is ready to taste the victory right now, and officially return to Marvel, reprising his legendary role as Nick Fury in Avengers Secret Wars. 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:44.480 During a red carpet interview with the direct in October 2026, the actor confirmed that Marvel Studios explicately mapped out his upcoming schedule, giving him clear directives that he will be sitting out of the immediate next film, Avengers Doomsday, but will be back for the sixth Avengers installment. 00:05:44.639 --> 00:06:01.120 While Jackson humorously admitted that Marvel's tightly secreted uh tight security protocols have left him completely in the dark regarding Nick Fury's actual storyline or actions in the movie, his return marks a massive milestone for the conclusion of the multiverse saga. 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.680 So, Nick Fury and Secret Wars, what are your thoughts? 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:12.399 Well, I mean, yeah, it's a shame what we've done with this character so far. 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:17.839 Uh I always thought he was good for the glue of the Avengers, to be honest. 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.360 You

know, and he was that one that was gonna tie everybody together, and he did. 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:27.920 And I wonder if Marvel had not many plans for him other than that, because we didn't see much of him. 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.800 And then what we do get in a show, they kind of drop the ball big time, you know. 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:34.160 And if I was Mr. 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:42.560 Sammy J, I'd be like, hey, it's enough of these mother effing bad shows on this mother effing TV show, you know what I mean, or whatever. 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:44.319 I'm sure he said some stuff. 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:45.519 And the only way he can say it. 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:47.439 Oh, yeah, the best way possible. 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:48.959 Um, I'm glad he's back. 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:49.519 Duh. 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:51.279 I mean, I'm not surprised. 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:58.319 I'm actually surprised he's not in Doomsday, though, because as far as I'm concerned, when we left him in Secret Wars, he's on Earth, right? 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:06.480 And I feel like if anyone's on Earth, unless they get explicitly taken away or they just decide I'm not gonna go join in that fight because it looks scary. 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:07.439 You know what I mean? 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.720 Like I I that's my issue with Doomsday, right? 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:21.759 When you see a big planet coming and it's about to collide with yours, I would imagine anybody with a sense of urgency that knows they might have an idea or something to do about it, is showing up at Avengers Tower. 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:25.600 And I think we have to set the expectation aside, which I don't like. 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:33.199 But that is something that, okay, I can look past that, even though I don't want to, because they've always been very good at not making you feel like you have to. 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.000 There's times we can find flaws where people should be there. 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:38.319 But I might be wrong on where he's lap last left. 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:42.240 I thought he was last left on Earth, but that's what I was wondering when you were talking about that. 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:48.079 Because part of me thought, you know, the last time we officially saw Nick Fury in the MCU was the show Secret Invasion. 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.720 We're gonna talk about them today in our retrospective, too, guys. 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:52.480 But does it count? 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:57.360 I think the show does count, even though they're not doing references to the show specifically. 00:07:57.439 --> 00:07:59.759 It's still within the MCU timeline. 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:05.120 And if that's the case, and I'm looking it up right now, please comment down below if you got the answer already, guys. 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:10.079 I think at the end of that show, doesn't he go up in outer space with his wife? 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:11.360 I'd have to watch it again. 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:12.480 Maybe they do. 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:17.439 Uh, because I from what we just did with our retro here, the last we left him in Marvels, he's on Earth. 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:21.279 But that's obviously there's a whole show that comes after that that's bull crap. 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:23.199 So I mean, maybe you're right. 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:24.160 Maybe he does go in space. 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:26.879 I mean, I don't matter where you are at this point in with it. 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.160 In space makes more sense for him to be in in Secret Wars, though. 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:41.440 So, yeah, apparently, I just just to confirm currently at this moment, Nick Fury is in space, um, serving as a director of Sabre space station alongside his scroll wife, Vara. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:43.360 All right, I stand corrected, guys. 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:44.399 It makes sense now. 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:48.000 Um, but still, yeah, like an incursion is happening. 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.240 Yeah, earths are colliding, worlds are colliding. 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:51.759 You don't think he's not gonna notice that? 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:57.600 And maybe he's a s he should be at least in doomsday the signal to be like, hey, there's some things going on. 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.840 It could be interesting if maybe he's something to do with the people on the raft and that's how they get saved. 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.159 Nick can that sounds like a Nick Fury thing. 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.279 Yeah, continue what he's done before, which is bring them together in a way. 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.399 I mean, I just bring in different ones together, and maybe it's different. 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.600 I mean, I that sounds out there, but you never know what they could be doing with him. 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:14.000 Yeah. 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:15.600 I I'm glad he's back. 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:19.759 Um, I think it's time now we end his storyline in this, though. 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:21.200 I'd like to see this be done. 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:23.679 I'd like to see uh someone else take that over. 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.879 Um and just, you know, that'd be really good. 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:30.399 But um Oh, don't you know Valentina Alecra de Fontaine? 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:32.000 Isn't she like the new Nick Fury now? 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:34.399 I think sh uh okay. 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:34.960 Okay. 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:35.519 It's fine. 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:36.720 I knew you were gonna say that. 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:38.559 I even wrote a note about that. 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.279 She's like the new Nick Fury, but she's definitely up to no good. 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:45.039 Unlike Nick Fury. 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:47.200 Mm-hmm. 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.320 I don't think Nick Fury's ever been up to no good. 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:55.759 He's just picks really weird ways of getting to

where he's gotta go. 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:57.759 When her you can't trust. 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:02.639 There's another woman, too, we're gonna talk about in our secret invasion show. 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:03.919 Um That's right. 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:04.720 What's her name? 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:07.440 I forgot the I could picture the address right now. 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:09.039 Amazing actress. 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.679 Like, thank God they got her from the MCU, but too bad it was there. 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:14.799 Um her character is Sonia Fawnsworth. 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:15.759 That's right. 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:17.600 Director of MI6, I believe. 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:19.440 Yeah, I don't think she's of any importance enough. 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:23.519 We I we need someone recognizable when it comes down to the new Nick Fury. 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:26.320 In my and I know I coughed it, but I'm gonna say it right now. 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:28.320 It's it's gonna be it's gotta be Hawkeye. 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:30.320 Let Jeremy Renner take that role in. 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.440 Hawkeye retires and becomes the thing he worked for. 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:35.519 A different version of it. 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:39.519 In fact, when we get to our r when we get to our rumors, I'll tell you more about that. 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:41.840 So stay tuned. 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:54.960 But like to get off of that part of it, I think um where Allegra is different than Nick is Nick will do some shady things to do the right thing, where she literally was ordering to have people murdered. 00:10:55.759 --> 00:11:00.480 And I'm not saying Nick didn't have people ordered to be murdered, but we've never seen it. 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:04.320 And Nick wouldn't have the heroes m ordered to be murdered, you know what I'm saying? 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:11.519 Like, yeah, so I I do uh she is uh she's going to play a part for sure, but she's not the new Nick Ferry. 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:13.840 I don't see that, I don't see the favorite in that. 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:18.080 We need a good guy to be Nick Ferry because Nick Fury's a good guy, ultimately. 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.039 He's shady, but he's a good guy. 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:21.519 Yeah. 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:26.399 Um the only thing about Nick I'll say is like it doesn't really raise the hype level. 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:35.279 But because of the show, and because of how many times he's just kind of always been gone, or is it really him, or how much of it has him been a scroll? 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:39.120 They say Nick Fury's back, part of me is just like, okay. 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:45.600 So well, you know, tell me why I need to be excited, right? 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:46.080 Yeah. 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:55.200 After you give your two cents, and there is one character they're not talking about that reminded me of who's coming back and who's not, that I think needs to

be brought up. 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.840 But what do you think about Nick coming back? 00:11:58.080 --> 00:11:59.360 And do you think it's right? 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:00.159 And what do you think? 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:02.720 Well, uh okay, one, I'm not surprised. 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:05.279 As we've said before, guys, everyone's in Secret Wars. 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:07.519 So, like, okay, Nick Fury's there. 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.039 Okay, get it. 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:14.159 I'm curious on how big of a role, if any, he's in it. 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:17.200 Is he a cameo appearance, which I wouldn't be surprised with? 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:23.519 Um, I mean, because technically speaking, he was in Avengers Endgame, but he literally was only in the last scene with him just standing there. 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:23.840 Yeah. 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:27.039 But it's fine, because it just means, hey, he's still here. 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:28.320 What a pain he's alright. 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:29.840 Easy to stand there. 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:30.320 Yeah. 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.000 And it's it's Samuel Jackson. 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:33.600 He doesn't have to do much, just stand there. 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:33.919 Yeah. 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:34.480 You know? 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:38.399 But we'll get to that a little bit later with not having to do so much. 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:42.240 Um for Secret Wars, I'm I doesn't matter. 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:43.360 It doesn't bother me. 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:44.240 He's in it. 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:46.480 I don't think they're gonna give him that big of a role. 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:56.879 If anything, this could be the Russo Brothers' chance to actually give him something if he's in Secret Wars, because the Well, I shouldn't say that because he was in Winter Soldier. 00:12:56.960 --> 00:12:59.679 They gave him a great chance with that car scene. 00:12:59.919 --> 00:13:02.240 So that it wasn't Russo Brothers directed. 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:04.080 They could give him something else cool to do. 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:04.799 Who knows? 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:06.399 I got a great ending for him. 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:07.679 Okay, go ahead. 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:24.159 I think he he is helping the group of people on the raft, and they're going around Battle World and they're trying to get people on their team to fight, and they're about to get caught, and he steps out and he just gives Doom the Sam Jackson mouth. 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:27.679 And you're gonna lose, you're not gonna this is all gonna go away. 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.320 You know, you're not who you think you are, and then Doom just annihilates him in front of everybody. 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:36.240 But just let him have that moment to just be like, I'll I got you. 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:38.639 Like, you guys go, I'll take care of this. 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:44.480 And he just steps out knowing he's gonna die, but just in a Sam Jackson way tells him to go screw. 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:45.519 You know what I'm saying? 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:46.960 Like, I think that'd be a great way to go. 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.120 Because that's what Nick would do, I think. 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:50.559 Truthfully. 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:53.360 So yeah. 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:55.039 Yeah. 00:13:55.360 --> 00:14:02.399 Makes me remember though, there's one character that we are just completely not thinking about, and they are not talking about, and all that stuff, and that's Roadie. 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:03.919 Oh, yeah. 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:05.039 Rhodes is just gone. 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:06.399 Well, isn't he in his own movie? 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.159 And there's rumors of a movie, right? 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:11.200 It's all rumored. 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.639 As if right now, where is he in these other movies coming out? 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:15.679 He's just not around. 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.559 We might have a little theory for that too later, so we'll talk about it. 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:25.360 Maybe they're gonna combine Mahersha Ali's cancelled movie with Roadie's canceled movie called Blade Armor Wars. 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:30.720 So Blade's gonna be Roadie in Iron Man suit fighting vampires. 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.080 I mean, that does sound kind of cool. 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:35.120 I'd watch it. 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:35.759 I'd watch it. 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:36.159 Anyways. 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:37.440 I'm not gonna like it, but I'd watch it. 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:38.159 Yeah, right. 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.279 Yeah, we won't like it, but we will be intrigued. 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.159 With that said, Don Cheeto actually would have made a good blade. 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:47.279 So Ooh, there's a hot take there for you guys. 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.480 All right, so uh guys, what do you think about this? 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:55.200 Do you think you are happy to see Nick Fury come back in Avengers Secret Wars? 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.039 Are you tired of all these snakes? 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:57.519 Yeah. 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:00.159 What a horrifying movie. 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.200 Oh my gosh, I had nightmares of that movie. 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:04.639 But it's because I don't like snakes. 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:04.960 Yeah. 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:07.840 And then I made the very, you know, okay. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:09.519 This is how naive I am. 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:10.639 This is how naive it is. 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:12.559 It's called snakes on a plane, Sammy. 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:16.960 Yes, but I literally thought it wasn't real snakes. 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.960 I thought snakes on a plane is a gangster name. 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.519 Oh, you thought like there's an espionage or gang outplay? 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:24.799 I thought it was a gang. 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:27.440 I

thought, oh, the snakes on a plane. 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:28.720 No, it's not. 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:30.799 It's legit snakes on a plane. 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:36.320 So what what what went through your head when you realized, oh, this is snakes on a plane? 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.000 Like, what did you think right away? 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.399 Like, I thought I was scared crapless. 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:42.399 Like, I was I was like, what am I watching? 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:45.919 Yeah, I I did I thought, okay, I already turned it on. 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:52.080 I literally got the DVD because it had a plane and it had the snakes like this, but I thought that's their logo. 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:59.679 I didn't think that's an actual snake on a plane, and then I started watching it and I'm like, this is one freaky movie. 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:03.360 I'm like, and uh of course I got it also Samuel Jackson's in. 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.200 I'm like, I want to see it, but oh my gosh, I legitimate. 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:09.840 I have I have nightmares about that. 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:18.240 When they throw that little um was that poodle mix or whatever, that little small dog and the anaconda, the anaconda on the plane. 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:24.720 Okay, that's a little far-fetched that given how big that thing is, but still, oh my gosh, and then squeeze the man. 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:27.279 I'm like, holy smokes, I can't do this. 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:38.080 That I will always be frightened by that king cobra as you're seeing it slither around, and then it just pops up to the kid, does the little thing, and I'm like, okay, that's it. 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:38.720 No more. 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:39.360 Too much. 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:40.159 No more. 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:40.799 Uh-uh. 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:41.279 Mm-mm. 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.799 Snakes and things that go inside you are two things I cannot see in the world. 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:46.879 No. 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:49.679 Uh that's the thing about aliens I can never wrap my head around. 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.799 When they they're part of their reproductive system, is you. 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:54.240 Yeah. 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:56.240 Especially if it's your mouth. 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.559 Like the movie life. 00:16:58.639 --> 00:16:59.279 I started watching. 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:00.240 It was in his mouth. 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.559 I thought, okay, stupid me again. 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.079 I saw Ryan Reynolds and I thought, funny. 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:06.960 No. 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:07.519 Oh. 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:08.160 Yeah. 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:08.720 No. 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:10.559 Excellent movie though, by the way. 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:11.119 Yeah. 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:16.240 I got to the part where he's like doing things and all of a sudden it comes in and does this with his hand. 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:17.039 I'm like, that's it. 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:17.519 I'm done. 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:18.000 I'm done. 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:18.799 No, no more. 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:19.119 Sorry. 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:27.359 I put up there though, if I were if we were to do a fun little podcast on like just movies, top 10 most disturbing deaths I see on film. 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:28.559 I know there's a lot more out there. 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:31.200 All you horror guys out probably scream at the thing right now. 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:39.599 But when it comes down to like surprise disturbing, when it goes in his mouth and it and he's it's in him, that's I'm just like, oh, that that bothered me. 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:40.400 That was in life? 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:40.720 Yeah. 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:41.039 Yeah. 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:42.319 You just see that? 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:44.799 No, I got to the hand and I turned it off. 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:45.519 Like I'm done. 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:51.119 Yeah, Ryan Reynolds' character goes in and tried to kill it, and then it it attacks him and he has it like this. 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:56.480 He holds it and it goes down his throat, slips out his hand, and it starts eating him from the outside or from the side. 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:56.960 Oh no. 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:57.279 Oh no. 00:17:57.680 --> 00:17:58.400 It's inside him. 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:00.960 Like, and it's like, it's disturbing. 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:02.799 It's like, oh my god, that bothered me. 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:03.920 And it's not the most gorgeous. 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:05.200 I get calm down, horror fans. 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:06.559 I get it, I've seen things. 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:08.480 But this was like, it was just a disturbing thing. 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:09.440 This is disturbing. 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:14.000 And it's seeing someone you like, you know, he's funny in the movie at first, and it's like it's who he is. 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:18.880 And it's just like this thing's in him, and he's dying, and it's like, that's a terrible way to go. 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:20.640 And inside you. 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:21.839 Yeah. 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:22.480 Oh no. 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:25.839 If you haven't watched all of life, though, you should, because it's really good. 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.599 Well, now that I know that that scene's in it, I've my interest has gone down. 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:32.960 There's a couple nasty disturbing deaths, but not that bad. 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:34.240 That one right there got me. 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.799 The rest are normal sci-fi, that kind of movie. 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:42.240 But Jake Jillenhall and hey Rebecca Ferguson, if you want to know what Magneto would be like, check it out. 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.079 Because like I still like the idea. 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:45.440 You just have to have them both, remember? 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:47.920 But like,

um, yeah, Jake is great in it. 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:48.480 Great movie. 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:50.480 Endings kind of yeah. 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:52.319 Scary stuff, spaceman. 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:55.680 Anyway, guys, what do you think of Nick Fury joining Secret Wars? 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:57.279 Let us know in the comments below. 00:18:58.400 --> 00:18:59.519 Okay, that aside. 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:02.640 Shake it off. 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:03.599 Things aren't going in yet. 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:03.839 Yeah. 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:04.079 No. 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:06.640 Oh man, you see Romulus, alien Romulus? 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:06.880 No. 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:10.400 Oh, and he's pulling the face hugger off, and his thing's coming out of his mouth with him. 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.799 I have a hard time seeing like the aliens versus predators because of that similar stuff. 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.279 Those things are scary too, to just face hug you and put their seed in you. 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:22.319 Is it the sequel that's predator versus aliens, or is that the first one? 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:24.079 And Aliens is the second one. 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:30.720 Uh no, so there's it's it's Predator Aliens, it's Predator versus Aliens, and it's Predator versus Aliens Requiem. 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:36.160 It's see aliens, it's Alien, Aliens, Alien Three, Alien Four. 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:36.640 Yeah. 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.400 And then all the other stuff we got. 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:38.799 Okay. 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:40.880 So the Requiem one is when they're on Earth. 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:42.960 Yes, yeah, with the one that eats the babies. 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:43.440 Yeah. 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:44.079 Yeah. 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:44.480 Yep. 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:44.880 Yep. 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.319 You're talking about the babies like the pregnant women in the hospital one. 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:49.759 That scene terrified me. 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:50.799 Yeah, it's horrible. 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:51.519 Terrified me. 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:52.559 I will say this. 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:53.920 I'm not a big alien fan. 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:57.920 They're good and cool, but they are the scariest sci-fi alien. 00:19:58.640 --> 00:19:59.279 They're just locusts. 00:19:59.359 --> 00:19:59.759 They just eat. 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:00.799 Again, something inside you. 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:02.240 Oh, yeah, that's just it. 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.319 It's all too, it's too much with your body that I don't want to deal with. 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:06.720 Yeah. 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:14.559 At least Predator just saps you and saying, but the aliens like in you and shit. 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:15.200 Oh, yeah. 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:16.000 No, thank you. 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:16.400 All right. 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:17.680 Like, what's our second topic? 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:18.799 All right, separate topic. 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:21.440 All right, we're gonna have nightmares today. 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.200 Um, uh let's see. 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:26.240 Number two, all right. 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:37.759 While we are anticipating the release of the final Doomsday trailer, the Russo brothers have blessed us with the reveal of multiple Doom posters for Infinity Vision. 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:45.680 Approved theaters, uh, yeah, approved theaters, while popcorn buckets and collectibles are also revealed. 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:56.160 So, Sammy, why don't you take it away on what you think of these uh uh posters while I take a quick glance here at the popcorn bucket so I can give you my thoughts. 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:56.880 Okay. 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.759 Well, these posters are pretty cool. 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:01.920 They're all doomed, by the way. 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:08.160 So the funny thing is, we I think we mentioned this in our rumo rundown last week's episode, which you guys should check it out. 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:27.119 Um only two international posters that haven't even been officially out, but they're like leaked from I believe one of them was Marvel Korea, and I'm not sure the other one was, but either way, um actually have ensemble pictures, like all of them in it, you know, or at least an ensemble cast. 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:27.440 Yeah. 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:40.720 These ones have just been officially released by Marvel in preparation for uh Doomsday that talk about, you know, the the 4DX, the Screen X, the real D3D, all that stuff. 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.200 Um there's just Doom. 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:44.480 It's just Doom. 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:46.240 But they're bet not bad at all. 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:47.039 They're really good. 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:48.960 Like they're they're cool looking. 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:50.400 They're just Doom. 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:53.680 So part of me is like, I want to see more. 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.200 I like the one with the witches behind him because you're still questioning. 00:21:57.680 --> 00:21:59.599 We had this conversation about about this too. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.039 Like you said, that it's just it's so doom heavy. 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:03.359 Mm-hmm. 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:06.000 Where I'm like, where is everybody else? 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:07.039 But you know. 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:10.160 Which means they're probably either hiding something. 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:12.240 Well, that's all I can think. 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:17.279 Most likely, 90% chance, is they just don't want to show us anything else. 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:20.160 Just like how and how Endgame was. 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:24.799 You know, when you watch the trailer at Endgame, then you watch the movie, you realize you only saw five minutes of anything. 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:26.000 If anything, right? 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:32.000 And I mean, heck, the trailer for

Endgame makes it look like the whole movie and it's all in the first 15 minutes of the movie almost. 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:32.160 Yeah. 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:33.359 Except for a couple shots. 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:35.839 And that to me, that's exciting because that means there's a lot. 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:37.759 I'm hoping X-Men stuff, right? 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:47.680 Well, I'm glad you brought up the Endgame thing because when you saw the first poster of Endgame, it was just your core Avengers, and then a little silhouette of Thanos in the background. 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:51.039 This one, there's no no one else but Doom. 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:51.440 Yep. 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:54.319 So is this Kevin Foggy's way of being like seeing? 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:56.319 See, we're we're doing Doom. 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:57.039 You know what I mean? 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:00.799 Uh I have a theory that we'll talk to soon about why it's all Doom heavy. 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.920 Um, but yeah, I'm looking at these popcorn buckets, by the way. 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.160 And oh my god, they got a sentinel head. 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:06.720 Yes. 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:07.519 Sentinel head. 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:09.039 So where are we going to see this movie? 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:10.640 A Doom that's like this. 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:13.279 We are going to um Cinemark. 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.119 Are they gonna have that Sentinel head? 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:17.119 I have to look and see. 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:18.640 I bet you could pre-order it if they buy it. 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.200 Let's find out because that's what I'm buying. 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:22.720 We're gonna put it right here. 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:24.079 It's like it's yeah. 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:26.079 I mean, I don't care if that thing's 50 bucks. 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.960 I will figure it out and we are buying that sentinel head. 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:32.960 I'm trying to remember what was Chao Khan's head, how that was expensive. 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:34.640 That was that was uh$25. 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:38.319 Oh, so if they do the same thing, that's I bet you it's$50. 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:38.799 Everything. 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:40.400 Oh, everyone gets a sentinel head. 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:42.480 I like the ones of Doom that are like this. 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:42.960 Yep. 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:45.920 And then the popcorn or the drink is in the back of his head. 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:46.559 That's kind of cool. 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:49.039 I think that sentinel head is freaking awesome. 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:53.359 Oh yeah, that's a great what a good choice. 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:54.640 I love the popcorn bucket. 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:57.279 I like this popcorn bucket of resurgence we got going on. 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:08.079 I've I've been kind of you know, every time I go to see a like a movie like this, I kind of want to, especially for our podcast, because someday, guys, we're hoping to maybe have a room somewhere where we can have shells and like you see at other people's podcasts. 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:12.559 Whether we just all the only trinkets we have right now are these, yeah, for our podcast. 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:14.079 They're good, but we need stuff. 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:14.799 You know what I mean? 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.279 Like I'm still of the mind studio. 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:24.160 Yeah, I'm still of the mind of finding all the things that we've picked for our uh props, props slowly as we go. 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.160 Even if we gotta make it, I'm in for it. 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.480 But that popcorn bucket, awesome. 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:30.480 Yeah, like that's it's X-Men, guys. 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:31.680 I gotta get that sucker. 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:32.079 Yep. 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.240 The Doom ones are great, great too. 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:38.000 I will say for the for the posters, pretty pretty plain Jane. 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.519 My favorite one is definitely the one with the witches where he's walking by. 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.839 Um, because it adds a little color. 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:52.400 Uh, the one of Just's face for the real 3D one is pretty cool, but that's still that face is still nothing compared to that face at the end of that of the uncanny. 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:54.400 Oh my lord. 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:57.519 I look at that still now, and I'm like, yeah, I don't like it. 00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:58.079 I don't like it. 00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:59.039 What am I looking at? 00:24:59.119 --> 00:24:59.759 I don't like it. 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:07.359 Like it just looks sinister in the sense of like a dark sinister, not like this is a scary face, like Ultron's face. 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:12.319 This is like like this dude just buried like nine bodies and you just walked in on him, and he's like smoking action. 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:22.240 Like uh and uh the other ones are you know, he's just walking down the stairs with the witches behind him and then just sitting in this throne. 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:24.960 Yeah, doom heavy. 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:31.200 I guess that's my only complaint is man, I want a cyclops poster so bad. 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:32.720 You know? 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:33.119 Yeah. 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:35.759 I wish they'd do a character poster sometimes. 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:36.960 They're gonna, yeah. 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:41.039 It's just they're they're we probably don't want to reveal a bunch of stuff, probably, right? 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:46.720 If they're if they're gonna do anything like what they've done in the past, they're gonna do character posters of what they've already announced. 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.680 So you're gonna get a cyclops one, probably one of the first ones. 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:56.160 And then they're gonna do character posters

of all the ones we haven't seen about two or three weeks after the movie. 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.160 So I think it'd be cool if they did team posters. 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:00.799 Mm-hmm. 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:13.279 Like a doomsday with the Fantastic Four, Doomsday with the Thunderbolts, Doomsday with, you know, uh Steve and so or then uh Doomsday with the X-Men all in one, you know? 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:14.720 And that'd be sick. 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:16.000 Yeah, yeah. 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:17.359 I mean, I hope they do that. 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.039 I'm sure after the movie comes out, there's gonna be tons of posters made of it anyway. 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:22.720 So yeah, this is cool. 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:23.440 I'm excited. 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.160 Um, I can't wait to own that uh Sentinel Head. 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:27.200 Yeah. 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:30.319 This huge, by the way. 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:31.519 I love it. 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:36.319 Guys, what poster do you like of all that's been released so far? 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.319 And what do you think of the popcorn buckets? 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:39.839 Um, please comment down below. 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:40.400 Let us know. 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:44.640 We like to listen and see and read all your comments, so please do so. 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.680 And yeah, is there anything else you want to add to it? 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:49.440 No, I mean the promotion is great. 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:55.680 If they're trying to hit a home of just doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, boys, they might be overcompensating the tad. 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:56.880 We get it, we get it. 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:57.680 It's doom. 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:01.680 Like, I kind of want to see someone else's face, but it's okay. 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:03.359 I it's they still look good. 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.119 I mean, you I don't a poster collector would have a hard time keeping up with these ones. 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:08.640 Oh, yeah, right? 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:09.519 Yeah. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:10.880 All right, guys. 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:15.440 So I'll move on to our next topic then on our multiverse minutes. 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.799 So, Bobby may have been found. 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:20.000 Oh no. 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.079 Breaking news from Variety. 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:38.960 It appears that Marvel has found their next star as Chinese-born American, Karate Kid, and now the Hunger Games star, Ben Wang, is in Final Talk to portray Robert, Bobby, Drake, aka Iceman in the MCU. 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:46.000 Of all of the casting so far, this one has the majority of fans divided for multiple different reasons. 00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:52.240 But besides that, our autumn goodbye has arrived, for the age of Iceman has come. 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:58.160 So, um, would you like me to touch upon the controversies so far? 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:00.240 Or do you

want to give your two cents and then I talk about it? 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.720 No, go ahead and elaborate a little bit on the uh controversy because I got stuff to say about it too. 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:09.519 Okay, so there are three particular controversies out there regarding him. 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.240 I thought it was just two when I started reading about it. 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.799 Then all of a sudden there's a third one that keeps popping up. 00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.359 And it has many fans divided. 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:23.680 Some of them agree with a couple, some agree with all three, some agree with only one, and then some are like, we don't agree with any of them at all. 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:28.400 And so it's really quite an interesting dialogue going online about this cast. 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.880 I only know of two, so I'm learning right now, too, folks. 00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:39.119 So I'll I'll just I'll name all three right now, and then I'll dissect what people are saying about them. 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.839 Okay, and then of course, I gotta give you my two cents. 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:42.640 Oh, yeah, for sure. 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:50.880 So uh the first one is his age, the second one is his race, and the third one is his sexuality. 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.119 All three people are having a problem with. 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:56.240 And interesting. 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:01.680 So to start off with the age, uh Ben Wang is 29 years old. 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:10.480 So the controversy regarding that is he will be one of the older cast members. 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:23.200 Um, I believe Samara Weaving is in her 30s, Christopher Abbott is in his 40s, but the rest of the X-Men so far are between like 19 and 22, 23. 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:28.720 So for Iceman, he would be, if this casting is confirmed, 29 years old. 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:30.480 Beast isn't cast yet, right? 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:31.440 Not officially. 00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:36.079 That's a rumor from a fringe site that no one was able to verify. 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:42.240 This one actually comes from like verified sources, and they're say they're in the final talks, kind of like Connor's story was last week. 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:42.400 Yeah. 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:49.039 He's in final talks and negotiations, but it didn't say has been cast, it says he's potentially gonna be cast. 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:50.559 He's like right, yeah, it's right there. 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:51.759 It's right there, yeah. 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:52.079 Yeah. 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.440 They couldn't have hold on for another week to get the final confirmation, but whatever. 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.599 The second thing is his race. 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:04.000 So he is born in Beijing, China, and immigrated over here with his parents. 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:10.640 So he is, by definition, Asian American for Robert Bobby Drake. 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:13.759 The third thing is his sexuality. 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:14.079 Okay. 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:25.839 Now, in the comics, and this is very recent in the comics, by the way, so I do want to point that out because for the longest time, Bobby had been just a straight white guy. 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.680 Nothing crazy about it. 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:36.400 But they decided in Marvel for the comics to help reinvigorate him, is to make him gay. 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.720 And they even did the first gay X-Men wedding, like it was a cover thing. 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:41.680 I believe this was back in. 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:50.319 I'll have to look, I'll look on my iPad here to confirm the dates, but I want to say late 2000s, early 2010s type thing. 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:58.480 So it is, like I said, a fairly recent um uh anomaly for the character himself. 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:08.000 Um but the actor is from ever what everyone is saying about him at least, he is not gay. 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.960 And that's got people talking online about that. 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.839 Oh, so they're mad that there's a straight guy playing a gay guy. 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:16.640 Yes. 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:26.079 So now that I've laid out for you all three things and what they're all talking about, I'm gonna tell you my two cents and pass over to Ike and he'll say his two cents. 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.839 First off, let's talk about the age. 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:36.960 One thing that I think a lot of people need to understand too is just because you are 29 years old doesn't mean you look 29 years old. 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:38.240 Because he does not look that old. 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:43.920 And another thing about Asians in particular, and this is not a bad stereotype, it's just true. 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.640 Sometimes you guys look really, really young when you're not. 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:55.440 There is a singer, I don't even know his name on the top of my head, but he's like 50 something and he looks 29. 00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.599 And I'm like, are you kidding me? 00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:58.400 You're what? 00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:58.960 Yeah. 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:06.799 So him uh Ben here being 29 doesn't mean he can't play a 19-year-old. 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:07.359 You know what I mean? 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:11.599 Yeah, guys, do yourself a favor, go online and look up Jackie Chan, just a picture. 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.640 Guess his age. 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.599 Look up today, Jackie Chan, 2026. 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:16.559 Guess his age. 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:17.279 Go look it up. 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:18.559 I bet your way off. 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:19.039 Yeah. 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:20.319 He still looks good for his old. 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.759 I mean, he looks older, obviously, but not as old as they say he is. 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:25.039 Like, holy moly. 00:32:26.240

--> 00:32:31.119 The uh Oriental people, they tend to, or Asian, whatever's correct these days. 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:32.559 You always know what I'm talking about. 00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:34.799 You guys just like useful. 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:36.400 Yeah, all the time. 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:38.079 It's that Korean skincare. 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.880 They've mastered that skincare over in Korea. 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:45.119 They they they put themselves in one market, they're like, we're just doing this and forever. 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:45.599 You got it. 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:46.160 Great, yeah. 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:46.640 Good job. 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:47.519 You nailed it. 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.839 Um, the second thing, his race, since we're on that already. 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.039 So I get what people's worry is about he. 00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:59.680 How do I say this right? 00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:05.599 Because again, this they're making this a race issue, but it doesn't really have to be a race issue. 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:14.079 It's almost like an American boy can't have features of another part of the world in their eyes, which is weird to me. 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.880 So, Robert Bobby Drake. 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:23.279 People are saying that the name alone suggests that he is a simple white guy from America. 00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.640 And obviously, the actor is not. 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:33.119 He is he's Asian American now, but I I get what they're trying to point out there. 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.599 I think that's a nothing burger, personally. 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:46.640 It does not, it's it's guys, if you think about it in this aspect too, in the X-Men animated series, they made Bobby black, and no one had a problem with it. 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:54.720 And then Sean Ashmore comes on with Brian Singer and the X-Men's, and there's your there's your typical white American young guy. 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:55.359 There you go. 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:56.160 You got him. 00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:00.079 But there are some people that didn't like him, which surprises me. 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.039 I thought he did a great job. 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:03.200 I know Bobby was such a contentious character. 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.960 Well, see, that's that's another thing that we're gonna get to when it gets to the third part, too. 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:08.079 I'm glad you mentioned that. 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.039 But for the race thing, I don't think that's a big deal. 00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.920 If he's Asian, if he's black, it doesn't matter. 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:34.320 I actually would prefer if I had to be that characteristically nitpicky to have him be Asian over black, because I feel like they want to save that for Storm in particular, because for the longest time in the comics, especially the early X-Men, she was kind of your token black superhero character. 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:35.599 So I get it. 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:45.679 But I also heard people say because he's Asian American, that's gonna diminish Jubilee when she comes into play, because she's the Chinese American uh face of the X-Men. 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.119 Be like, not necessarily. 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.199 I'd make Jubilee Hawaiian. 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.119 Oh, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.639 I mean, that's not a great idea. 00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.039 I who cares? 00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:58.960 Jubilation Lee, though. 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.119 So her name literally is Asian. 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:01.920 It's just a name. 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:03.519 Anyways, yeah, yeah. 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.840 Well, to that point, this is just a name. 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.840 He could be uh Asian American, but born as Bobby Drake. 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:10.559 That's fine. 00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:15.519 I can tell you it's three comedians that are Asian and named Bobby right now. 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:16.559 So get over it. 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.159 Anyways, the third thing the third thing, the sexuality. 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:25.760 So I'm glad you brought up the um, I didn't know he was such a big, prestigious, did you say, character? 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:26.800 Contentious. 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:28.400 Contentious character, yes. 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:29.199 He's not. 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:36.159 That's why that is exactly why in the comics they said, we won't tick off the fans too much. 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:40.480 Let's just change this C level character and make him gay. 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:51.599 One of the problems that they had, from my understanding, is they couldn't differentiate Bobby from Human Torch, other than their power set, because both of them in the comics were womanizers. 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:58.079 They were both hot-headed, so to speak, young guys that were little out there. 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:05.119 So this was one way of them to differentiate them, be like, Johnny chases after girls and Bobby's gonna chase after guys now. 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:06.800 I thought, I thought. 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.519 Okay, the human torch is different. 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:10.000 My bad. 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.159 I was gonna say, I thought Brian did a great job between Pyro and him knowing the difference. 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.679 Oh yeah, no, but Johnny Storm, Fantastic Four. 00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:19.519 One is fire, one is ice. 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.239 So if you can't figure that out, you got a problem. 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.239 But anyway, yeah, I hear you. 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.000 I just but now when you now it when you put in Johnny Storm's thing, uh I don't know. 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.159 I just I didn't I didn't even know that was a thing either. 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:30.480 Wow. 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.360 Yeah, and guys, oh, I was even wrong

about the dates. 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:38.000 Iceman became gay officially April 2015. 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:40.239 Meaning that recent. 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:45.519 Yes, that was just 10 years ago now, about maybe no, six six. 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:55.519 But to be clear, they're not upset that he's gay, they're upset that they're upset that the actor is not gay, which I'm gonna tell you right now, my personal opinion, that's an insult to the profession. 00:36:56.159 --> 00:37:00.639 The whole point of being an actor is being able to play something that you're not. 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:08.159 So if he is gay as a character, but the actor is not, that's okay. 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.400 That's that should honestly, that should be how it is. 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.000 That's not bad. 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:22.079 Think about him this way Kit Connor, who's playing Cyclops, he himself, his personal sexuality is he's bisexual. 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.000 He doesn't care your boy or girl. 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:33.840 That came out during the Heartstopper thing when he was um actually pressured online about it, which I feel bad for him for that, because no one should ever have to be pressured to reveal their personal details about their life. 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.239 But he was bullied online and so he wanted to quiet it down by saying it. 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:39.360 So he did. 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:43.039 But that doesn't mean we're gonna see Cyclops swinging both ways. 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:49.039 He's gonna play a straight character because Cyclops is in love with Gene and then gets into a love affair of Emma Frost. 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.119 That's how everyone knows of Cyclops. 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:57.760 Only the fringe, weird, kinky people online on the Reddits are making him something even extra. 00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:58.880 You know what I mean? 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:09.119 So to say that the actor can't play, if they do make Iceman gay, because let's face it, one, I think they're gonna, because Marvel Comics made him gay. 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:13.440 So I feel like just like what they're doing with Kamala Khan, they're gonna do that with him too. 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.039 They're gonna make him that's his sexuality and all that stuff. 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.559 But regardless, even if they don't, it that doesn't matter. 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:25.920 This actor, straight or not, should be able to play a gay character if he wants to, or not. 00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:29.920 So that those are my two cents on all this stuff. 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:40.000 And it did divide the fans in 2015 when that came out, because there were some fans that said it was so out of character for Bobby why you're doing it. 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:48.880 And they now every time you write about uh Iceman in um X-Men, it of course he's with guys and all that stuff. 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.159 He's actually the one of the latest issues, he's with Pyro. 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.039 So they also made another character gay just to do it. 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.880 So, anyways, that's that's the controversy surrounding this casting. 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.199 I personally am fine with this casting. 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:09.039 It's I don't think Bobby is gonna be that consequential of a character for you guys to have a hubbub about. 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:10.320 But what are your thoughts on this? 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.519 So I'm gonna double down a lot what you said and elaborate more too. 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.599 So let's go with the age thing right away, guys. 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.880 Yeah, he doesn't look you know as old as he is, but let's just say they want him to look older. 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.599 I'm actually okay with the fact that he's already there. 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:25.039 I'm okay with that. 00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:26.719 I actually think that's a cool idea. 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:27.440 Why not? 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:32.000 He's just a guy that's there and they should meet him and he's like a teacher, and I'd be fine with that. 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.400 But you look at then I looked at the photo of him. 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.360 Like, oh, he's not playing someone older, he's playing someone their age. 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:41.599 Which is fine, because he's one of the core, like the original core. 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:41.760 Yeah. 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.039 And that to me is like it's still fine if they made him older and he's just a teacher there. 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:46.639 It does to me that doesn't matter. 00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:50.400 Um, but uh he's so young looking, you'd have to make him look older. 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.639 So you might as well just let him look young and play next to them, right? 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.400 Um so that is just a non-issue, okay. 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:00.079 Yeah, the race thing. 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:01.360 Let's talk about that. 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.320 Who the frick cares? 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:05.599 I don't care. 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:20.079 It's I never thought there's a rule overall when it comes down to all three of these things, guys, when it comes down to characters, and I'm gonna use some of John Campier's words, because this is something him and I would agree on 100%. 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:31.760 As long as you don't change the character at their core, then you can have them be whatever you want them to be. 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:38.320 And Bobby being Asian or white makes no difference on who Bobby is. 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.880 In fact, when I looked it up, the Bobby Drake that we know is supposed to be like a Jewish Catholic background. 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:45.920 Did you even know that? 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:47.199 I didn't even know that. 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:48.159 Do we care? 00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:49.199 No idea. 00:40:49.440

--> 00:40:50.400 I don't care. 00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:51.920 You don't care, do you? 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:52.400 No. 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.000 I've Because it's not part of the story. 00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:54.239 Yeah. 00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:55.440 So what's it matter? 00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:56.960 What's it matter? 00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:58.079 It's fine. 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.920 I in fact, the fact he's a martial artist means we're gonna see Bobby kick some ass. 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.599 Which I've gotta see him doing some stuff with ice with like the especially when he does. 00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:07.039 You know what I mean? 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.400 I'm excited for that. 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:10.480 To me, get over it, guys. 00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:13.039 I it's in to me, it's not even about inclusion either. 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.519 I'm not even saying it because we need to have Asians in this. 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.199 I'm saying is it doesn't matter that he's it doesn't matter, right? 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.559 Yeah, it's no, you're not we're not making Shane Chi black, right? 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.639 Yeah, and that's or we're not making him white because it does matter that he's there. 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.519 We're not making Storm uh Caucasian. 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:30.079 Correct. 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.480 Which like that would fundamentally change who she is. 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:33.679 Yes, but him does. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.119 This does not fundamentally change who Iceman is whatsoever. 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:38.400 So what's it bothered? 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:39.199 What's it matter? 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.679 And as the same thing with the sexuality in it. 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:49.119 It to me it doesn't that's uh it's almost a uh unless you're planning on doing a love story with him in it, I don't even need to know, right? 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:53.440 But so let's say they make him gay and they want to do the inclusive thing there, it's fine, whatever. 00:41:53.760 --> 00:42:02.239 Uh uh all I'm gonna say about this whole you do a straight guy playing a gay guy is yeah, guys, we're playing make-believe. 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:03.599 This is pretend. 00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:17.760 If we're gonna follow that logic where you think straight people can't play a gay person on screen to represent them, then anybody that's played any role ever can never do that because that's not who they are. 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:24.079 So that means I don't want to see Denzel Washington play a cop again because he's not a cop, right? 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:28.559 And now somebody's gonna say, No, it's different because I'm not no, it's not different. 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:30.079 This is make-believe. 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.719 Tom Hanks pulled this shit when he did a Philadelphia. 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.119 Philadelphia is one of my favorite movies. 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:36.559 Love

that movie. 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:38.800 He's and it's and he's amazing in it. 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:40.559 Can we award and everything? 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:48.000 He said on a recent thing not long ago, well, you know, if it was today, now that I understand I was wrong, I'd never play a gay character. 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.320 And I'd have to give that to someone that was gay. 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.480 And I'm like, shame on you, Tom Hanks. 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.199 Because, like, no, you can play that part. 00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.119 It's fine, right? 00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:03.519 Like, that's the point of acting is to take yourself out of who you are, to be someone else, to be believable, to tell a story. 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:07.679 Now, is it good if a gay care gay actor gets a chance to play a gay character? 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:08.960 Yeah, fine, cool. 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:10.880 That's not the goal, though. 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:18.639 If this was a documentary about Iceman Bobby Drake, and they had a guy that was straight play him, I'd be mad. 00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:22.320 But that's not what we're watching, because he's not a real person. 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.199 And it doesn't matter what he is. 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:33.760 And and just to double down on the race thing, guys, I as long as it does not change that character, you're fine. 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.239 I didn't say this before, but I want to say it right now. 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:40.719 If if James Gunn hasn't hired Batman yet, right? 00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.159 And it's and it's say it's not Chris Pine, which it should be. 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:48.400 If it's not Chris Pine, I don't know why we don't have a black Batman yet. 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:50.639 What are we doing here? 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:51.840 Right? 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:53.280 I'm actually disappointed. 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.119 They just announced the new old James Bond. 00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:57.920 He's just another plain old vanilla white guy. 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:03.119 Like, why are we Why aren't you backing the truck up to Idris Elba, right? 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:03.840 Mr. 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:04.400 James Bond. 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:06.239 James Bond's just a name and a number. 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:07.280 That would be cool. 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:08.800 Yeah, it would be cool. 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.800 I mean, or Rebecca Ferguson should have been the new James Bond. 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:20.079 I mean, you might have to change your name, but it doesn't matter because remember, James Bond and the number and the name, it's like they take all that away from you and they give you that identity. 00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:21.679 So it's not even who they are, anyways. 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:22.480 And that's what's unique. 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.079 That's why so many people can play him. 00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.239 But I don't know why we don't

have a black Batman yet. 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:27.360 I'm not saying we have to. 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:28.960 I'm not saying it's necessary. 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.440 I'm just saying he doesn't have to be that white guy. 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:36.079 It just because him being black or being white does not matter to who he is. 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:36.800 That's right. 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:45.360 That's the point that you're trying to make, is that it it Bruce Wayne, how he was written, Batman, how he was written, doesn't mean he has to be white. 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:45.599 No. 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.000 There's nothing about his background. 00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:51.840 And you can't say, oh, because his parents were wealthy billionaires. 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.280 So does that mean a black person can't be wealthy billionaire? 00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:57.119 Is that the message you're trying to send? 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:04.159 No splash, there's there's a wealthy black billionaire or millionaire, or no, I don't know about million, but there's wealthy black people in the 1800s too, guys. 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:05.599 Now it's a bad time for everybody. 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.920 So don't we can't be polling that kind of shit. 00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:14.719 Yeah, it's it's it's either gonna be all around equal, which you don't want, or it's gonna be fair. 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:16.960 Do not mix the words equal and fair together. 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:18.239 They don't mean the same. 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:18.880 All right. 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:21.679 Something that's wrong with our politics today and social stuff. 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:23.920 So yeah, these people all bitching and complaining. 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:24.559 Yeah, you know what? 00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:25.599 They can go screw. 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.000 There's nothing wrong with this casting, everything's fine. 00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.400 I didn't even know this was a big deal. 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.519 I actually, if it were me, I would age him up. 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:35.679 I'd like him to be a teacher that's there. 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:36.719 We need to know. 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:38.880 I uh right now it's just Xavier. 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.760 There's you no, you're gonna be you'll be shocked. 00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:49.199 There's one guy online that I saw it as a short, and especially given the revelation that it just hit me right now. 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:53.599 This was April 2015 that I Iceman became gay. 00:45:53.760 --> 00:46:02.639 There's one guy online that's blasting the casting and saying that it's all because Brian Singer didn't make him gay to begin with when he should have been. 00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:08.079 And I'm thinking, this Days of Future Past, a movie didn't come out until 2014. 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:11.440 The comics didn't make Bobby gay until 2015. 00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.599 So all the times we got to see

him before that, it's not Brian Singer's fault. 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:16.079 I don't know. 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:18.400 I'll have to show you that that short. 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:20.480 I'm thinking, this guy's an idiot. 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.320 Yeah, what's it matter, right? 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:22.719 Yeah. 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:25.599 It's the character, it's not important to the character. 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:27.280 Yes, exactly. 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:32.639 That that part, whether Bobby is gay or not, is not important to who Bobby is. 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:39.199 The fact that the two real good loves in his life that he had, he died for in the road cut, made it way more better than anything else. 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.199 And that they didn't even have to elaborate on that either, right? 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.280 We saw him kiss them once. 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:47.119 For all we know, he was gay. 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:47.840 We don't know. 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:48.639 You know what I mean? 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:53.360 We you're that guy sounds like he's making an assumption based off of what he sees. 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:57.199 That sounds like a very, you know, bigot kind of thing to do, right? 00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.239 In today's social way, don't just assume. 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.639 Anyway, guys, simmer down out there in the webs. 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:10.159 Him being gay, him being Asian, and him being older than the other people. 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:12.960 Actually, did I send here? 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:13.599 I'm trying to think. 00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:14.960 Didn't I send you a snapshot? 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:15.840 You did, yeah. 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:27.280 That okay, yeah, because I even did a comment on it saying, oh, okay, so you're mad at Brian Singer, who is a bisexual director for not making a character gay, making it sound like he's the bad. 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:27.840 Yeah. 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:28.800 Anyways, guys. 00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.079 I'm I'm excited to see it. 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:31.760 I hope he gets I hope he gets it. 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:33.440 I hope he's gay as hell. 00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:39.280 I hope he's so Asian he can't speak a lick of English, and I hope he's 60 years old. 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.079 And I just want to see him kick someone's ass with ice. 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:43.840 Let's not go overboard. 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:44.719 Did I go too far? 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:45.360 That's too much. 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:46.880 Okay, sorry guys. 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:48.559 I'm just saying none of it matters to me. 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:49.760 I just thought Iceman. 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:56.719 I I think at the end of the day, what you're gonna get is if uh uh I'm sorry, I forgot his name and something about it. 00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:02.880 If Ben Wang is confirmed as Iceman, you're just gonna get one of the original core X-Men that's gonna be there. 00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:07.920 He just so happens to be Asian American, it's not gonna play a factor into who he is. 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:13.440 If anything, we might get a good origin of who this Bobby is in America. 00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:19.360 If anything, you might spice it up because really, if you talk about all, I you know what, Sammy, I might have to say I disagree. 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:21.920 And now that I think about it, it just hit me. 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:29.360 It'd be more interesting to dive into a Jewish Catholic white guy and see what he thinks of life and why he's an X-Men. 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:34.480 I have you fallen asleep yet. 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:36.480 Right? 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.679 A guy who feels guilty and saves his pennies. 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:40.880 Great, sounds good. 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:44.400 I want I'd rather throw some more fun stuff in there. 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:44.880 Right? 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:46.320 We're gonna get kicked off the internet. 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.039 Anyways, yeah, we are not good because we're just being honest. 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:50.320 No, we're we're being honest. 00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:51.440 This is a nothing burger. 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:53.360 It's really it's the biggest guys. 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.079 You should the real news here is we almost have an ice man. 00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:57.840 Yes, that's what we should be doing. 00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.519 That's we should be celebrating that. 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.280 Yeah, and he might know kung fu. 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.960 Yeah, which means we're gonna have some diversity in the fighting styles, too. 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.519 Did you walk and kiss that guy and kick that dude's ass? 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:12.239 I'm happy. 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:12.800 Let's go. 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:13.599 Let's next. 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:14.719 All right, guys. 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:16.320 What do you think of this casting? 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.320 Do you think the controversies are way blown out of proportion, or do you agree with any of them? 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.440 And if so, feel free to comment down below and let us know your thoughts. 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:25.199 Just be kind about them, okay? 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.719 Next topic, Ike, why don't you kick it off here? 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.239 I wrote this and it's a little small in the paper. 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:32.639 Sorry. 00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:33.039 Yeah. 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:43.519 In a video from the Suicide Squad, it is it canon, the official podcast released law released last week. 00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:48.480 James Gunn directly addressed the non-stop rumor mills surrounding the dark night. 00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:54.320 Speaking of Batman, uh, it won't be too long before we're casting Batman. 00:49:54.639 --> 00:50:00.000 He hasn't, he hasn't he hasn't cast Batman yet, by the

way. 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:04.239 All the people thinking he'll show up in this or that, it's all bullshit. 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:05.360 Thanks, James. 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:12.079 For fans waiting for official news, Gunn made it clear that he isn't over over protected. 00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:13.360 Is that what that's saying? 00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:13.760 Yep. 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:19.519 By previous choices of and uh or limited by strict casting can constraints. 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:20.880 Can we just talk about this? 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:28.000 Uh when when do when we do cast the DCU Batman, which this is James talking about it, by the way, quote unquote. 00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:32.800 When we do cast the DCU Batman, which isn't very far away. 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:43.679 If I gave somebody a day role in the Suicide Squad that is going to be the best Batman, I'm not going to rule him out from that. 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:52.719 One of the things that excites me about casting Batman is being able to pick a Batman who's actually the best actor for that role. 00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:54.880 Jamesy. 00:50:56.480 --> 00:51:04.639 So according to that, it sounds like according to him, at least he's not revealing at least, Batman hasn't been officially cast. 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:05.360 Right. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:15.679 But he's given us some toys in this play box to play around with just to see, okay, what's he thinking about Batman? 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.280 So, what are your thoughts on this whole thing? 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:21.920 So I'm gonna before I go into my crazy theory stuff, I'll say this right off the bat. 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.920 Um, I definitely think he went to two ends of the spectrum. 00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:31.920 I don't think he's just gonna cast a somebody that nobody's ever, ever seen and has no idea who they are. 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.960 Like, oh, look, you did great when you walked across set as an extra. 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:36.239 You want to be Batman? 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:37.440 Come on in, buddy. 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:38.639 I don't think that's what's gonna happen. 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:39.760 Oh, that'd be cool. 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:41.440 It'd be pretty wild for that guy, right? 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.440 That guy's life would change in a hurry. 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:45.119 For the worse. 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:46.960 I want to be one of those people. 00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.800 Um one that looks like a carrot. 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:53.599 Yeah. 00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:58.880 Make him Batman. 00:51:58.960 --> 00:51:59.440 Yeah. 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:05.360 Um and I don't think he's gonna go for a superstardom, like, you know, Robert Downey Jr., okay? 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.239 Uh, you know, who costs gazillions of dollars. 00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:09.920 That'd be an interesting Batman. 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:14.159 Yeah, he'd be cool. 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:22.079 Um the other

part of this whole thing, I gotta be honest with you guys. 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:24.800 I mean, I'm calling James' bullshit. 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:25.440 It's bullshit. 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:27.920 I'm calling his bluff bullshit. 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:30.320 We're not far off yet. 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:31.599 It's real close. 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.199 And this is how far you are in. 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.119 Yeah, no, dude, this is all smoke. 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.039 He's got his Batman already. 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:38.400 I know it. 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:40.159 He's got his Batman already. 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.280 They're just not telling us because he wants it to be a surprise. 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:44.960 He wants to play it up like that. 00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:50.880 He wants us to wonder who it's gonna be, and then in one of these movies, he's just I know he just got done saying it's not gonna pop up in one of these new things. 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:53.760 Yeah, well, he might not, it might be something he hasn't done yet, you know? 00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:57.840 And maybe he'll announce it before it does pop up, and I might be wrong about that, and he's telling the truth about that. 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.199 I do think he's got an idea, I think he's already been in it. 00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:08.880 Um, yeah, guys, it's it's a lot of this is also because they they got a big plan, right? 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:20.079 They're not just casting for someone to play Batman in a DCU, they're casting this Batman's gonna be the glue in between two other universes when they do their multiverse movie. 00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:21.840 So he's gotta be someone that sticks. 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:28.639 That's why I I still think why they're not begging Chris Pine to do it, in my opinion, would be my choice. 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:30.800 I think that'd be a fantastic choice. 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.519 Ever since I heard that, I've sold, I'm in love with it. 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:34.320 Yes. 00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:39.519 Um, remember, guys, this is all just stalling time, right? 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:43.280 The only thing that we have to wait for is the Batman part two. 00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:52.480 And I know that sounds like a hell of a ask because it seems to take 10 years to make one of these movies, but you also have to remember what Robert Pattinson had actually said. 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:58.239 He said that Soldenberg is stepping in to finish something that's actually almost done, anyways. 00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.360 So you're not talking about shooting a whole movie here. 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:08.400 Uh Soldenberg is really coming in to probably do a lot of reshoots, finish some key scenes, maybe some big event things. 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.320 But Pattinson has already told you we've pretty much done all this darn thing already. 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:14.320 With that said, it's pretty interesting. 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:17.840 The the release date still is February 2028. 00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:19.440 Is it interesting? 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:21.360 That's a long time. 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:28.079 Like, there's they easily couldn't make this next October, they couldn't make a a summer movie thing. 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.159 We've seen Marvel be able to roll out one of these movies within like a 12-month calendar. 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:44.000 I think principal photography afterwards and reshoots though, and the way that that first one looked, I think took a little more time than usual. 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:56.239 Um and also, if you want to introduce another Batman first before you start your tie-ins later, uh yeah, you want to give it a little time. 00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.440 Like I'm telling you, I think it's all part of the same plan. 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:01.599 It's all part of the same thing. 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:07.840 Before Batman 2 comes out, we're gonna get announced that Snyder's gonna make stuff on HBO. 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:09.440 Like it's going to be news. 00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:10.800 Right? 00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:20.320 Before Batman 2 comes out, we're gonna be told there's going to be a release date for the Suicide Squad cut, the air cut, and we're gonna see it. 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:25.119 Before Batman 2 comes out, we're gonna be told who our Batman at DCU is gonna be. 00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:27.440 Then Batman 2 is gonna come out. 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:30.639 And it's all gonna start falling into place. 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:32.320 That's what's gonna happen. 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:39.840 Batman 2 is gonna be its own standalone thing, but the Easter egg for the Union Multiverse thing is gonna be in that movie. 00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:40.639 Hmm. 00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:43.039 What do you guys think of this theory? 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.440 Mark my words, you're here first. 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:47.519 But James, you're full of shit. 00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:51.119 Sorry, buddy, I like you, but don't tell me you don't go. 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:53.920 I mean, if you don't have a plan, watch this and do this then. 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:56.079 It's not too late because it's awesome. 00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:59.440 I it's a everybody's gonna come watch your movie, bro. 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:00.239 Everybody. 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.239 All the money is yours. 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:03.679 Just do it. 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:04.239 Yeah. 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:04.639 Yeah. 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:10.960 We know Sky Dance Paramount's not gonna say no to any of this because that's they they would love some extra money. 00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:12.079 Yeah. 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:20.480 Um, so I really don't have too much to say about it other than I kind of agree with you when it comes to them actually casting Batman or not. 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:21.840 I think it's already done. 00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:27.679 I

think it's either already done or that it's just not done enough to really say, and he's just kind of stalling. 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:31.440 Um it just seems like a lot of stalling tactics to me, to be completely honest with you, isn't it? 00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:31.760 Yeah. 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:42.079 And if it's not Chris Pine, then you need to, I think you need to consider giving us our first black Batman and just open it up to some really great actors out there that I think could play that part real well. 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:42.719 Michael B. 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:43.199 Jordan. 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.199 Oh, please don't do that. 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.719 In fact, actually, why don't you do this better one? 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.320 You should put it out there that you're talking to Michael B. 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.360 Jordan and then hire Damson Idris just to just to push it in a little more. 00:56:57.519 --> 00:56:57.679 Right? 00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.400 He'd be a handsome Bruce Warren. 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:01.280 Yeah, tall. 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:03.119 Tall, dark, and handsome. 00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:04.880 Ooh, dark knight. 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:08.480 I don't know if I see him as Batman though. 00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:09.920 Right. 00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:11.920 Just saying. 00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:12.719 Who knows? 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:13.440 Yeah. 00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:14.239 Who knows? 00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:16.000 Alright, guys, what do you think? 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.800 Do you think James Gunn is full of shit? 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.760 Do you think he actually has already cast Batman? 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:25.440 Do you think he is just doing this as a stall tactic? 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.880 How far along do you think he is in this Batman movie of the DCU? 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:34.639 And for Ike's theory throwdown, do you want to see a multiversal Batman movie? 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:35.199 I would love. 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.800 If you guys do comment, please start commenting on our stuff more. 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:47.039 I would like to hear you guys tell me how how close have I got you convinced yet that this is happening? 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:47.920 Like, yeah. 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:48.880 Because it's pretty close. 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:49.519 I've been telling you. 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.400 Like it's I mean, so far I've yet to run into anything to make me think. 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:54.960 Well, this is what fans like us love to do. 00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:59.119 We theorize, hypothesize about all this stuff. 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.840 So we we want to know what your thoughts are on this too. 00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:06.719 If it does happen, we are the first people to be talking about it. 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:07.440 Yes. 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:08.800 That's I cannot find anything. 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:11.360 Ike needs his name in the credits when that rolls.

00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:11.679 All right. 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.760 You know, if you can't find your Batman, James Gunn. 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.199 Uh I know Danny DeVito ain't doing much these days. 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:20.320 There you go. 00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:21.360 All right, guys. 00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:26.239 So um, we are gonna roll on into now our rumor mill rundown. 00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:27.199 This is gonna be a good one. 00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:28.239 Let's get to it. 00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:29.679 These pretzels. 00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:32.639 Make a meal! You don't like drunk and angry. 00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:33.599 Soda. 00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:34.320 Soda. 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:37.840 That's so funny. 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:38.960 All right, guys. 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.039 Welcome to the rumor mill rundown. 00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.400 We're gonna do our speculating, our good times, have a little fun with this one. 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:45.840 I'm gonna go ahead and read the first story. 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:47.199 We're gonna jump right into this sucker. 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:48.960 All right, guys, got some more Doom stuff. 00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:49.519 Of course we do. 00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:49.840 Dr. 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.159 Doom all the way, marching to Doom's Day. 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.519 Okay, according to online leaks, Dr. 00:58:55.599 --> 00:59:05.840 Doom will reportedly infiltrate realities to harvest cosmic power, turning his lab into a trophy room of stolen tech and magic. 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:17.840 Rumors suggest he will reprogram Ultron, of course you will, uh potentially at the end of the vision series, to forge an invincible Doombot army. 00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:23.519 Meanwhile, speculation points to Doom using cyber sorcery. 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:25.519 Cyber sorcery. 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:41.119 Ooh we um to to siphon Hella's divine necromagic from her by fusing Ultron's technology supremacy or yeah, supremacy with Hella's death magic. 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:52.320 Doom will anticipate no resistance as he overpowers the Avengers to orchestrate the collapse of reality. 00:59:52.559 --> 01:00:04.559 He won't stop until I'm he won't stop until I'm satisfied, is no longer a question, assuming the ultimate multiverse power to rule Battle World. 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.280 So he's collecting a lot of stuff. 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:10.559 I mean, at this point, Doom's kind of a hoarder. 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:14.320 Is Doomsday gonna be like a two-hour episode of Hoarders? 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:28.079 And he's just sitting on the porch, and every time we bring somebody out and lay it on the porch, he's gonna be like, not that one! Smoking his long cigarette with his mask on. 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:34.639 We bring up the silver surfer board and lay it on the blanket. 01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:35.840 Oh, not that one. 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:38.239 I only got two of those. 01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.920 Oh man, you imagine all the dead cats we find in Doom House. 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:48.239 It's like Doom, the multiverse didn't kill your family. 01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:49.599 They're under the stuff. 01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.239 Oh my gosh, that's too good. 01:00:54.480 --> 01:01:03.599 That's that's I you know, I don't know how upset if I would even be upset if we get into it and it's there's a skit of Dr. 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:04.960 Jimmy being a hoarder. 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:05.599 I love that. 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.599 I will laugh my butt out and be like, oh my gosh, that's awesome. 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:19.360 Um just off the bat, just so you know, the part of this rumor I don't buy at all, and I don't think it's true, is that he's collecting things for his laboratory. 01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:19.920 Yeah, no. 01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:24.480 I do think that that whole idea comes from that what they saw in those that display. 01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:33.920 And I think that display was literally just hey, look what look what's gonna have to do with what's coming, which actually brings up more questions than answers, anyways, right? 01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:35.039 But it's cool. 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:40.559 But I do see the val the I do see a possibility in him collecting villains. 01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:41.280 Yeah. 01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:47.440 Because we're all about all these heroes showing up, but we're not talking about no bad guys at all, and that could be interesting. 01:01:47.760 --> 01:02:05.039 And you know, I think that that is definitely something I would like to see in the MCU because we get to these ensemble movies, the Avengers movies, where every hero was coming together to fight a bad guy or whatever, but we have all of these rich villains, whether or not they've survived or not. 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:06.719 Remember, guys, this is the multiverse. 01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:13.840 So even the ones that have died that we really liked could potentially return in a film like this. 01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:17.119 Exactly. 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:17.599 Yes. 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:24.719 So to see an Ultron or a Hella or someone else come back, a red skull for all we know. 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:26.079 You're gonna love my theory. 01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:27.679 I think that would be really cool. 01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:34.320 And by the way, when when I read the Doom using cyber sorcery, I immediately thought of Mortal Kombat 9. 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:42.000 Oh the video game, yeah, turning Sector and all that into I'm like, this is some Mortal Kombat shit. 01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:43.840 Yeah, I think it's gonna look good though. 01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:45.679 I like the sound of cyber sorcery. 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:46.239 That's pretty cool. 01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:47.360 This sounds kind of cool, right? 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:48.239 It does sound cool. 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.519 Anyways, so other than that, I just

had to point that out, guys. 01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:56.639 Um I the only part of this rumor, I agree with you completely. 01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:58.880 What you said, very completely. 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:11.519 Umly part of this rumor I kind of wish does come true is that we do see that there are villains involved with Doom in some way, shape, or form, or at least, if not in Doomsday and Secret Wars. 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:14.559 So, anyways, um Yeah, uh yeah, it's funny. 01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:20.880 When I read this rumor we're gonna be doing this this week, I actually started looking up some of the ones that people are claiming that he might get. 01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:22.800 And someone made me laugh. 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:25.920 Um, I wanted to go over a couple of these on this list if I can find them. 01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:28.000 Is one of them the Tinkerer from Homecoming? 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.559 Oh my gosh, no, but I'm shhimming. 01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:33.679 Best believe the flag smashers will be there, though. 01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:34.880 Oh my gosh. 01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:37.840 And if they're not gonna be there, who else would be, right? 01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:39.280 The clandestines. 01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:41.280 Oh, just saying their name. 01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:44.800 Who's what's the other one that was another stupid name? 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:53.039 Guys, comment down below if you've been watching our branch point breakdowns because I feel like it's in the shows is when they're given the stupidest names. 01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:55.599 You know, Flag Smashers, Clandestines. 01:03:56.000 --> 01:04:10.719 Um there's another one that I can't think of on the top of my head was in the Logie series or one of them where it's another really bad, bad Oh, oh, um, in the Hawkeye show. 01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:16.559 The um tracksuit mafias, those ones. 01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:17.440 Oh my gosh. 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:18.960 Yeah, no, bro. 01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:19.920 We bro, yeah. 01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:22.159 Bro, bruh, bruh, bruh. 01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:25.360 We do not need to see them in Doomsday. 01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:28.480 But Sam, why not? 01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:30.400 Because it's stupid. 01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:36.480 So they said that Zimu, old Helmet Head himself, was one of them that he was gonna go get. 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:38.480 And I'm just like, why? 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.880 What what's what's Helmet Head gonna do? 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:42.400 What's Helmet gonna do? 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:47.599 Like, another one was the they said, what about what about um um hammer? 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:49.440 I'm like, nope, he's not getting hammer. 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:50.960 Oh about Dr. 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.039 Doom, like, what do you think he's doing? 01:04:53.199 --> 01:05:01.039 Like, he's just like I think the ones that's if you were to say, let's just say Doom is picking five villains. 01:05:01.280 -->

01:05:05.280 Off the top of your head right now for fun, who's your five he's getting? 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:06.159 Okay. 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.239 And this is just who I think he's getting, not who I just want to see. 01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:14.880 Who you want, and we would it would make sense. 01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:22.400 Okay, Um, five villains on top of my head, Red Skull. 01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:26.159 Make sure I'm not gonna repeat myself. 01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:35.519 Red Skull Hella Ultron Um Monok. 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:37.440 Really? 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:40.719 That's an interesting poll. 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.320 Um think about that. 01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:50.159 Um we're not gonna get Powelly face Ronin. 01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:52.800 Um please don't. 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:57.280 But what would another villain be? 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.039 One that we've Scene two, right? 01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:02.079 Yes. 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.760 Yeah, I I'm not interested in in in introducing new ones. 01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:07.280 Malikif. 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:09.679 I don't know why you pick Malik. 01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:12.719 So I'm with you on Red Skull. 01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:15.280 I think that's a great choice. 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:18.400 Um what was the other ones you said? 01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:19.360 Um Hella. 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:20.000 Hella. 01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:21.920 Yeah, that's I like that too. 01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:23.519 Um I like Ultron. 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:24.320 Yep. 01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:27.519 Um I said Modoc. 01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:29.199 You know. 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.000 Uh it's cool. 01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:39.519 Oh, one of the other ones that people online want to see come back, and I don't understand why they wanted to see this guy come back, because he's an idiot. 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:45.360 Uh, is they want to see uh what's his name from the Hulk one there? 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:46.400 Abomination? 01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:46.960 No. 01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:48.960 The one that sucks. 01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:51.440 Oh, oh, the leader? 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:52.320 Yeah. 01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:54.960 I'm like, why do you want to see the leader? 01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:55.920 Well, you know what? 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:57.280 I would put him down. 01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.679 So if you did him right, but at this point they can make him better. 01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:05.840 They could, but like, you gotta seek what he's already done, right? 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:08.480 Like, Doom's gonna be like, so what was your plan? 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:10.079 He's gonna be like, to get caught. 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:13.039 And Doom's gonna be like, Yeah, next. 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:15.760 Yeah, I mean, if he's doing auditions, the leader did not do that. 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:21.199 Like he did not put in a good audition tape, that is for sure. 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:24.000 Uh just saying.

01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:30.159 So I'm just you know, I do think um, I'm trying to think of so we got Captain America. 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:31.440 Oh, I know. 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.400 We're gonna talk about her in our episode today. 01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:35.519 Titania. 01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:36.880 No. 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:40.719 Uh we got Captain America, we got Thor, right? 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:42.000 We got Tony. 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.840 Darben! I think Abomination would be a good one. 01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:54.719 Oh, interesting. 01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:58.480 I wouldn't put abomination because he already has the Hulk. 01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.119 We don't know what he's got the Hulk for, though. 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:07.039 And I think the Hulk is to take him out of play. 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:09.679 I don't think he's using the Hulk. 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.559 Um I'd go Thanos. 01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:16.960 Oh, Thanos. 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:17.680 Okay. 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:18.560 Hmm. 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:23.199 But I know what they're gonna do with Thanos, though. 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:27.439 But I think you need Thanos, and you're gonna love my theory. 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.000 So yeah, let's continue talking about this here part of it. 01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:32.640 Yeah, there's a ridiculous I can't find it, guys, I'm sorry. 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.880 Um, but it is a ridiculous list of these characters that like, why would you have them? 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:37.680 Like, no. 01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:41.840 Um it doom is gonna have to be people with power, you know. 01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:52.159 One on that list was the the Scarlet Witch, but I don't think um I I still am holding out on that possibly being one of the witches anyway. 01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:57.520 And even if it's not, I kind of wouldn't mind if we got the Scarlet Witch via Magneto. 01:08:57.760 --> 01:08:58.239 Mm-hmm. 01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:01.359 So I think that'd be interesting on its own. 01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:03.760 One of them said he collects Magneto. 01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:05.840 It's like, no, we're not seeing that, guys. 01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:07.279 It's not what's happening this time. 01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:14.159 You know, we're gonna see Magneto wreck house and then lose his life trying to take him out, which is what should happen, and I'm fine with that, right? 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.199 And what do you think of Michael Fastbender's Magneto? 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:23.359 Oh I mean He collects an older ver a younger version of him. 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:24.079 No. 01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:27.039 No, I don't I don't like it. 01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:33.840 It it just would be I just I you know, gosh. 01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:42.159 See the problem with what you just said there is I'm gonna say something that I always never say. 01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:46.079 I just don't know if Doctor Doom would think he's powerful enough. 01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:49.439 When technically he is. 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.000 Technically speaking, Michael Fastbender's version. 01:09:54.079 --> 01:10:04.159 I mean, we haven't seen Ian McCollin's Doomsday version, which I'm sure they're giving him an epic couple scenes of just wrecking house, killing destroying New Jersey, from my understanding. 01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:07.279 It's a rumor in itself that he's gonna be doing which be like, what? 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:14.079 But the Michael Fastbender one in X-Men Apocalypse was literally shaking the world. 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.279 Like Apocalypse didn't even have to upgrade him. 01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:19.680 He's like, You got this boy, just go ahead and start. 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:22.800 You know, it would be interesting if Magneto is one of them. 01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:25.600 I don't know. 01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:29.920 Hmm. 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:33.920 Anyways, so yes. 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:40.479 Um do you want me to go into my big doom thing now or at the end of the rumors? 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:46.000 Um, let's let's get through the rumors. 01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:47.920 Yeah, and then we'll get to your series. 01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:49.199 Just remember this, guys. 01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:51.520 Put a little uh you know, a little comma here. 01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:54.960 We're gonna talk about this again, and this doesn't have a lot to do with it. 01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:58.880 That's why I was gonna do it at the end, because this is all this is only a portion of it. 01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:06.560 But in in all in all reality, I've done a good deep dive on um the Secret Wars story now. 01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:08.880 It does make sense that Dr. 01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:13.039 Doom wants to collect some villains because they all kind of have a little spot that they take over. 01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:18.239 I think amongst some of those villains, though, we're gonna find out our variants of our heroes that are villains. 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:20.079 And I think that could be fun. 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:21.520 Captain Hydra. 01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:22.880 I would I'm all about that. 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:24.079 I think that's cool, you know. 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:26.640 Um, as long as we don't ruin the seed we have, right? 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.119 Um, it's cool to see a different version of it and be unique. 01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:30.399 So yeah. 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.880 I'm all for this, other than I do think Doom needs an intervention. 01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:36.960 You know, he's collecting way too many things. 01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:42.079 Before you know it, it's gonna be like the next rumors or the next news story we're gonna have is Dr. 01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:44.000 Doom's Lego collection. 01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:46.239 Which one means what to Doom? 01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:47.680 Ooh, tells the future. 01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:51.520 And we're gonna be going through his

Lego collection, which is probably a bunch of Star Wars stuff. 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:54.239 Anyways, because it's Disney. 01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:55.039 So yeah. 01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:56.640 Uh yeah, it's very cool. 01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:57.920 You know, interesting. 01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:00.000 I'd like to see this be true, truthfully. 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:01.359 And I actually think it is true. 01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:02.159 Uh so yeah. 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:03.520 Questions for you guys. 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:04.319 Do you think Dr. 01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:05.840 Doom's gonna be collecting villains? 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:11.039 If so, who are your top top five villains you think in the MCU so far he should collect? 01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:12.319 We want to know. 01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:14.640 We give you ours, give us yours. 01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:15.600 Next topic. 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:17.760 Just don't mess with his Funko Pop collection. 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:18.000 Yeah. 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:19.039 Then he gets mad. 01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:19.600 Mm-hmm. 01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:20.319 Yep. 01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:22.239 Especially the Stanley one. 01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:24.079 That mint condition. 01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:24.640 Mm-hmm. 01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:25.600 All right. 01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:27.520 The second topic, guys. 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:29.279 Second rumor, I should say. 01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:34.079 Okay, anyways. 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:38.800 Um West Coast Avengers potentially coming to the MCU. 01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:39.600 West Coast? 01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:41.359 Alright, so. 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:48.640 Rumors suggest Marvel Studios is developing a West Coast Avengers project, establishing a California branch. 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:57.199 Insiders report that the Disney Plus Vision Quest series could build the foundation for the team, echoing the 1984 comic Origin. 01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:03.760 Speculation peaked after Jeremy Renner T's classic comics on social media. 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:13.600 Um, bombastically fueling fan hype, though reports later clarified his filming was for Disney Park attractions. 01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:28.159 While a standalone project hasn't been officially green-lit, rumors circulate uh frequently, uh, ties to potential rosters, including Clint Barton, White Vision, War Machine, there you are, Roadie, and Wonderman. 01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:29.760 Gotta bring him back somehow. 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.199 To the multiversal events leading into Avengers Secret Wars. 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:44.880 For Marvel, launching a whole secondary team right now might feel like boys playing a dangerous game, but they are clearly aiming to give fans exactly what you see is what you get. 01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:47.920 With a massive comic accurate payoff. 01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:53.439 So, what do you guys think of West Coast Avengers? 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:56.960 Do you think this is actually happening or no? 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:00.000 I hope after Secret War is right. 01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:01.680 Like, I hope this does happen. 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.079 I think uh we need to be done with Nick Fury. 01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:09.439 I think it's Sam Jackson needs to hang up the cape and uh or his coat and his eye patch. 01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:23.760 I think um Hawkeye should be the new um Fury in his version, and he should be on the West Coast and putting together a team there, just like we have a team on the East Coast, because it's only fair. 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:31.439 I don't think it's gonna be White Vision, because if you guys have been watching Vision Quest, I don't know what the hell they're gonna do, but it's not gonna be as simple as him just being White Vision. 01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:38.239 In fact, I don't think it's gonna be the same vision, and you guys better be watching it because we might be confused when we see him later. 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:44.159 Um, on top of it, uh I yeah, I think this was always coming eventually. 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:48.720 And with this soft reboot coming, I think it's just a matter of time. 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:49.920 You know what I mean? 01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:55.920 Like, and they'll have Kamala Harris over there with her Marvel stuff, and I mean, you know, come on. 01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:57.279 Oh my gosh. 01:14:57.520 --> 01:14:57.920 Sorry. 01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:01.439 Like she can be over there, she don't need to be at the X Mansion, she can be over there, you know. 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:11.359 She doesn't need to be at the X Mansion or the White House, she needs to be in the West Coast, hanging out, sitting in the beach, doing her thing, part of that Avengers group. 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:12.319 I'm proud of that. 01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:14.079 Um yeah, I think this is cool. 01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:15.920 I mean, I don't know what else to say about this one. 01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:19.039 I don't know a lot about the West Coast Avengers, so I'd have to look into it. 01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:23.279 But if you're gonna bring it into the MCU, I think Hawk would be a great way of doing it. 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:28.079 This would be his role going on in the next part, you know? 01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:33.279 So the only thing I'm gonna say about this guy is I'm not too keen on it. 01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:39.600 I think it'd be cool to have them be there to have a West Coast Avengers because it does make sense. 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:54.000 But also, you get to enough teams of these characters that you're gonna have like a whole saga where like three movies in a row is gonna be new Avengers, Thunderbolts, West Coast Avengers. 01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:58.239 Be like, okay, that's a lot of Avengers at one time type thing. 01:15:58.319 --> 01:15:58.880 You know what I mean? 01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:01.439 I would argue that they wouldn't have their own movies, though. 01:16:01.600 -->

01:16:01.920 Okay. 01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:04.960 I'd say the care certain characters would and they show up in them. 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:08.720 And then when you do an Avengers movies, it's when you see the groups together. 01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:09.520 I could see that. 01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:10.079 That could be. 01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:14.319 Because you gotta remember, we need apocalypse to have a lot of people to kill when we get there. 01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:18.399 So as far as I'm concerned, when we get apocalypse, we should see some. 01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:21.039 Oh no, he just killed all those people. 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:26.399 And I think the more they do that, the better the MCU is of upping the stakes. 01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:31.199 So the more heroes we have, the more expendable some get, and it gets scarier. 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:36.720 Then you can have moments where you're like, I can't believe he just did that because you got 30 people to do it to. 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:37.600 I agree. 01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:39.439 Actually, I think that's a really good point. 01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:40.239 Yep. 01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:44.000 So yeah, um, cool. 01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:44.880 We see them. 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:45.920 That's awesome. 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:55.359 Um, the only person I see that's missing from this lineup, too, when it comes to like West Coast, she hawk is in California, so you should be throwing her in there. 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:56.239 Oh, for sure. 01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.479 Yeah, I have no doubt that's gonna be one of them. 01:16:58.800 --> 01:16:59.840 Hawkeye's wife. 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:02.159 Yeah, who's not an agent at all. 01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:05.600 She's just a woman that he fell in love with and honor it. 01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:08.239 I hate that theory so much. 01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:11.119 Anyways, it's comic accurate. 01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:12.960 Anyways, still stupid. 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:19.439 So what guys go check out our our Hawkeye branch point breakdown. 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:20.720 We talk, we talk about that. 01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:24.720 One thing I think we disagree on the most in the MCU is Hawkeye's point. 01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:25.439 Yeah. 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:26.159 All right, guys. 01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:29.119 Let us know what you think in the comments below about West Coast Avengers. 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:30.159 Do you think it's actually happening? 01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:32.000 Are they gonna bring some of these characters back? 01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:33.359 Or are they not gonna do it? 01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:38.000 Is it gonna be like the young Avengers, or they're gonna just tease them and never do anything about it? 01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:38.560 Let us know. 01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:39.279 Comments below. 01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:41.279 They do that a lot, seems to me. 01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:41.680 Yeah. 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:42.720 All right, guys. 01:17:43.520

--> 01:17:45.199 Here's another one, y'all. 01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:58.399 The rumor mills went into overdrive when Agents of Shield star Clark Gregg cryptically shared the logo announcement of his personal Instagram account. 01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:15.119 According to Industry Scoopers, the show is expected to serve as a grounded, slightly campy spiritual successor that bridges older and newer eras of the MCU, hinting at the potential return of beloved characters from the 2013 ABC series. 01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:26.399 While Marvel has kept the exact narrative under wraps, comic book lore associates the Zodiac name with master spy organizations and crime syndicates. 01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:32.479 It makes for the perfect vehicle for a soft reboot of Marvel's iconic espionage heroes. 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:40.000 The studio isn't intimidated by the task of reviving older television lore. 01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:45.039 Instead, Marvel is a slave for you fans. 01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:48.239 All right. 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:52.000 So Zodiac, do you think it's an agents of shield reboot? 01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:54.880 I you know what? 01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:55.680 Here's the thing. 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.079 I don't think it's an agents of shield reboot. 01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:06.239 But I do think it's an interesting direction to go for that style of it being like an agents of shield. 01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:09.039 Now it's just a new group because shield's gone, right? 01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:14.880 Um, I do find it super highly suspicious that it's that it's Clark Gregg that puts puts it out there, though. 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:16.640 That's way suspicious. 01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:19.439 Um, I do not want him to come back. 01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:22.560 There's a big part of Agents of Shield. 01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:24.560 Like here's the Yeah. 01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:24.880 Yeah. 01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:26.319 I don't want that though. 01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:27.279 I want him dead. 01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:28.159 Stay dead. 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:31.840 I don't want that whole idea that you're never dead to be true. 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:32.880 I don't want that. 01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:35.119 Um, but I do think it would be neat. 01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:37.920 You could have a path to have this in. 01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:40.720 Um, it could be a great place for all the side characters. 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:43.359 The MZU is kind of like gathered now. 01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:49.039 If you looked at all these movies that we've talked about and all the side characters going on, you could have some fun with this. 01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:57.039 In fact, I actually this could lead into the type of show that you and I actually had an idea for of the side characters. 01:19:57.520 --> 01:19:59.279 This could be a version of that, right? 01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:03.119 Um, Sammy and I have a great idea for a show of all the side characters. 01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:05.600

Ours happens to star Louise. 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:08.560 But which is right now, you're like, what? 01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:09.520 But it's brilliant. 01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:15.840 Anyway, um, I do think that this is a possibility for that, and I think this is a great place for Hawkeye. 01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:25.359 I think this would bring validity to him being the new Nick Fury, and even putting the West Coast Avengers together through something like this would be interesting. 01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:40.880 Um, this is the kind of thing I would like to see uh as a TV show because you can do these little missions underneath the the radar that have something to do with the bigger picture without it being consequential enough to where you have to see one or the other. 01:20:41.119 --> 01:20:45.680 Um, I think that would be interesting, um, as long as they're careful with that aspect of it, right? 01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:48.560 Because I want them to stick to one or the other. 01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:52.319 We cannot go back to what we were doing. 01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:56.479 If you want your TV shows interconnected, just tell us that from the start. 01:20:56.720 --> 01:20:59.840 If you don't, then don't do it later again, right? 01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:03.600 So I think that that's the problem I have with this one. 01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:13.359 Is uh it sounds like would there be too much going on where it have to be interconnected, or is it gonna be so separate, it doesn't matter. 01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:16.399 And it's it depends how you want to take it like that, right? 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:17.199 So I don't know. 01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:18.640 I think it's a cool idea. 01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:21.199 I I need more info. 01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:25.199 We need to get a little more idea of what they're talking about, other than this. 01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:27.840 And this once again is just a rumor, anyways. 01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:29.119 So yeah. 01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:34.640 So have you seen all of Agents of Shield, the show? 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:36.720 I've seen some of it, not all of it, no. 01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:37.039 Yeah. 01:21:37.119 --> 01:21:38.159 Oh well, okay. 01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:43.840 So if you haven't, because I've I haven't seen the last two or three seasons, I'll be honest. 01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:48.479 But I did, I was an avid fan of it for at least the first three seasons or so. 01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:50.000 I probably is all I've seen, too. 01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:50.319 Yeah. 01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:50.720 Yeah. 01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:54.800 Is it of course it's a it's an ABC show, so it's very campy. 01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:58.880 It's very, you know, superhero meets CW stuff, you know. 01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:04.720 But um, they actually do a great way of introducing the inhumans to the MCU. 01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:09.680 It's just too bad that that didn't ever become canonized and all that stuff. 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:15.680

And that's what a lot of the speculation about this rumor is is that this is bringing them back into the fold. 01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:21.520 Ming Nawen plays um, oh gosh, I forgot her name in it in the show. 01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:22.479 Great. 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:27.840 The Calvary, I think her name is really good, really good actress. 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:28.159 Yeah. 01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:38.640 Um, and then uh I forgot her name to Chloe something, plays a girl named Daisy, also known as Quake, which is an inhuman. 01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:43.520 Kark Greg, real of course, everyone loved him from the Avengers. 01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:44.640 And so the problem with him. 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:44.880 Yeah. 01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:45.279 Yeah. 01:22:45.600 --> 01:23:01.439 Nick Fury shows up in a couple episodes, and they do every well, what's cool about that show, which is something they should have done with the Disney Plus show, is that when they were going to write each season, they base it off of whatever Avengers movie just happened at that time. 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:08.720 So when Shield fell in Winter Soldier, they got their scripts for season three, and it was all about what they're gonna do now. 01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:11.039 The Shield is Hydra and stuff like that. 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:12.960 I love that aspect of it. 01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:22.399 So um, I do wish that the Disney Plus shows did that where they kind of complemented the theatrical releases, but it didn't make it where you had to know them. 01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:24.720 But that's our biggest crape about them, anyways. 01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:34.800 Um I think at this point, though, to bring that entire show into the MCU is almost too little too late. 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:37.199 Oh, yeah, that'd be a big mistake. 01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:47.680 I I do feel bad that the MCU hasn't introduced Inhumans to us properly because they easily could have, and they didn't have to worry about the the rights issue because of X-Men and all that stuff. 01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:49.199 They could have done this a longer time ago. 01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:55.199 In fact, Kevin Foggie was announced that he was gonna do an Inhumans movie. 01:23:56.159 --> 01:24:07.520 Like in the big ensemble thing, it was one of the last things, and then that quietly got like pushed aside and then became an ABC show and all that stuff, um, which turned out really bad. 01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:09.840 Good casting, bad everything else. 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.800 Um, but it's because it's an ABC show, yeah. 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:22.159 Um, so I I won't be surprised if there's some fan favorite characters that are gonna be brought into this, but I don't think this is an exact Agents of Shield reboot. 01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:30.560 No, and it shouldn't be, um, because I know Agent Shield, I think the problem with the thing, the biggest issue is is they got ahead of themselves back then. 01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:33.039 They didn't think they were gonna get this far, I think. 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:35.119 And now that we are, they're kind of like shit. 01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:39.039 Because if you were to bring the Agent Shield into, I mean, they already got a Ghost Rider in Agent Shield. 01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:42.399 And it's I just don't I think it's too convoluted at this point. 01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:49.279 I don't mind a reboot in the sense of maybe this is what we wanted this to be, and let's redo this, right? 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:50.800 I think that that would be interesting. 01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:55.760 Yeah, you know, and um and I and have it in that style would be interesting. 01:24:55.920 --> 01:25:05.359 Um the problem is with the MCU is for some reason, they out of all the faults they have, which there's a bunch that's not perfect. 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:07.439 It's fun, magic is a problem, right? 01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:09.039 There's a few things we have issues with. 01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:18.880 One big issue is they they are so hit and miss with their spy espionage stuff, they're either right on the button or it's so far off it sucks, right? 01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:22.000 And it's and I think that that's the problem they have with this stuff. 01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:23.680 So I don't know, we'll see. 01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:30.640 I uh this is something I'm not too interested in until I hear more about to have more of a feel of what they mean, anyways. 01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:31.520 Yeah. 01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:37.439 Yeah, and I think it's gonna be too early to tell because they're not even gonna be filming this until 2027. 01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:38.479 Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:46.159 So we're uh they announced it, but I think it was just to prove that Disney Plus isn't dead for the MCU. 01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:47.119 They're gonna do stuff. 01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:50.560 It's just that's not at the front of their mind, you know. 01:25:50.800 --> 01:26:04.720 We might sprinkle throughout 2027 and start getting some new looks at it, like at the comic convention next year, um casting announcements, things like that, but right now this is all just speculation. 01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:05.520 Yeah. 01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:10.239 And it's so obscure for them to announce it where us as fans are gonna be like, what? 01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:12.560 So that's what we're doing. 01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:13.279 We're theorizing. 01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:14.079 Yeah, yeah. 01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:17.520 Then once again, we gotta see what the landscape looks like after Secret Wars. 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:20.800 This could fit real well depending on what we're talking about. 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:21.520 Mm-hmm. 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:22.479 Yeah. 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:23.119 All right. 01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:25.359 That I think is the last of our. 01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:26.960 By the way, guys, comment down below. 01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:29.119

Do you think this is an agents of shield reboot? 01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:31.039 You think it's something else completely different? 01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:33.119 Let us know what you think in the comments below. 01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:36.079 And I think we have a little theory throw down you're gonna throw out there, right? 01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.239 Something I want to present to you that you haven't heard yet. 01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:39.199 This is my theory. 01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:39.920 It's a prediction. 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:42.880 If it comes true, you heard it here first in a good old multiverse. 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:50.560 I think, oh, I have to tell you, um, I don't want to hype it up and it's not be a big deal, so I'm just gonna be very blunt about it, though. 01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:55.600 I do think this might be my most ambitious theory so far. 01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:59.600 And that's even more ambitious than the multiverse thing in the DC stuff. 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:00.239 Mmm. 01:27:00.479 --> 01:27:02.399 And this has to do with Doom, okay? 01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:08.079 It's not so much a theory about Doom's Day as it is about the entirety of what's going on in the NCU right now. 01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:09.840 So buckle up over there. 01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:12.159 I'm curious to see what you think about this. 01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:16.880 Part of it comes from what we were talking about in our rumors and our news. 01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:19.520 And it's some of it, it's like I want to talk a little bit about. 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:24.720 I'm not gonna go through every single thing because I think it's another one of those things in another video would be great for. 01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:26.239 I'm just gonna throw it out there, guys. 01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:32.640 There's a lot of Easter eggs that we've kind of overlooked and forgotten about when it comes down to Doomsday. 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:36.880 Because there's been they know I'm on to them, man. 01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:39.199 It's like a that bug was a metal bug, right? 01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:40.880 Anyways, um, you saw that, right? 01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:42.560 Dump kid was a doom bug. 01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:45.760 Um so Joe Costa sent it. 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:50.479 If you're following Vision Curse, you know you know. 01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:52.640 Yeah, you know, you if you know, you know. 01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:53.520 Um yeah. 01:27:53.760 --> 01:28:04.880 So there's a lot of stuff that's been done and said, and I think we're there's a lot of little nuanced um Clues that they've been leaving for us that we're not paying attention to, right? 01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:13.199 One being that everyone kind of focused on this is just an example, this isn't part of my theory, but one being everyone's focused on why does Dr. 01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:15.920 Doom take take the Hulk, right? 01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:18.319 When I think it's more interesting that he calls him Mr. 01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:24.319 Banner, and it seems like people are kind of just like, oh, it's just because he's he's just you're not a doctor, I'm a doctor. 01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:28.239 I don't think that's the case in that situation, which is makes it interesting, right? 01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:29.760 It means there's a meaning. 01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:34.399 I think they're being very cautious about every little freaking thing they say and do. 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:35.359 All right. 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:47.199 Um but with that said, we have all this weird timing on the filming and like when they start, like all of a sudden, well, we're done filming Doomsday, so we're just getting ready to do Secret. 01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:48.159 We started Secret Wars. 01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:48.479 What? 01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:49.840 Let's halt on Secret Wars. 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:51.680 Let's we're going back to Doomsday a little bit. 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:53.760 And I guess right now they're still finishing. 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:56.960 I mean, not filming, but they're technically not done yet. 01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:01.920 They don't have Final Cut on Doomsday yet, which is wild, you know what I mean? 01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:05.760 And it's like, so it's and then it's like your Secret Wars is kind of flowing. 01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:08.960 And how are they not pushing this date forward now? 01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:10.399 And what's going on here? 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:12.640 And when did they really start filming Secret Wars? 01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:15.199 How much Secret Wars did they film during Doomsday? 01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:17.600 We all know how the Hollywood cog works. 01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:23.600 When you got the actors to have time, do you think you can come over here and like just do this a couple times and let's get you in there? 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:25.199 And that's all we need, you know. 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:33.039 I'm telling you, that's other than the fact that they are very honest with us about Patrick Stewart having his last stuff in Doomsday. 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:36.239 I wouldn't be surprised if they had stuff for Secret Wars. 01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:38.800 If they come out and said, Look, Doomsday isn't his last. 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:43.439 He has three scenes in Secret Wars, and we were able to film them because when they had them, they probably would have. 01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:46.560 I just don't think the plan was for him to go into Secret Wars. 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:47.520 You know what I mean? 01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:52.000 Or unfortunately, maybe they did not have the time to do it, right? 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:56.960 There could be whatever the reason why, but I do believe them when they say it's his last appearance. 01:29:57.199 --> 01:30:03.520 Um boy. 01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:06.960 But this is gonna have a lot to do with even announcing Robert Downey Jr. 01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:07.439 as Dr. 01:30:07.600 -->

01:30:08.079 Dune. 01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:08.560 Okay? 01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:09.199 Okay. 01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:16.479 I feel like that's kind of like an ace in the hole when it comes down to a surprise. 01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:27.600 And I think it's been overwhelming for us to think about who he is, why he's him, like the whole for why Robert Downey Jr. 01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:30.159 and the excitement that it's him at the same time. 01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:41.279 Because I felt that when they when he pulled that mask off, I'm just like, I am very happy that's him, but I'm also like, but why and how and what does that mean, right? 01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:48.399 And it made me super suspicious, and it's felt very, very much like, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? 01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:51.680 Uh like they were they're desperate, right? 01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:53.119 This is a desp desperate. 01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:59.840 But I do think that they sat down with, I think the Russos had come up with a plan before they started announcing all these things, right? 01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:09.680 So I do think that it matters, and I do think that it is more of a distraction, especially with RDJ and all that stuff. 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:17.840 Um almost could say it's a misdirection, to be honest with you. 01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:38.239 But we also kind of forgot, guys, that Russo Brothers kind of had told us that when we got those trailers in the beginning of what was it for Avatar, all those trailers, they told us that those were a puzzle that we could put together to figure out not what's gonna happen, but to have more of an idea. 01:31:38.399 --> 01:31:48.000 And I gotta be honest with you, I went online and scoured around looking for those keywords for that, and no one's really sat down and looked at all of them as a whole and said, what could this really mean? 01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:56.000 The only thing in it that you and I have ever talked about that really seems silly or something to think about is the children aspect, right? 01:31:56.079 --> 01:32:01.520 Yeah, but then it doesn't make sense though when you show the Wakandans meeting with Namor, there's no children there. 01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:06.960 And it's so it's kind of like, so what's that puzzle piece of that, right? 01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:09.039 And when the Russo say that they mean that. 01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:14.720 Do you remember back when uh I think it was Avengers Infinity War? 01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:16.239 Or was it Endgame? 01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:18.800 It was Endgame when it was coming out. 01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:22.720 They put that photo out, and you could find the title of the movie in the photo. 01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:27.680 So do you remember the beginning of the Doomsday stuff after Robert was announced? 01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:30.560 What they put out a similar photo, right? 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:32.479 And everybody kind of was dissecting. 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:33.600 They saw the V. 01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:36.720 Some people said they saw the W for Wanda, right? 01:32:37.039 --> 01:32:42.560 But the one that got pointed out was the three Avengers symbols in the background that were lit up, right? 01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:45.359 That's where I'm going with this. 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:46.000 Okay. 01:32:47.840 --> 01:33:02.159 I would even say that it's possible if you kind of look at it and be real careful about it, but that the that coffee company they had, or that coffee thing that got debuted, kind of has a lot of hints to like kind of what's going on too, and we're not paying attention. 01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:03.520 Because that actually did come into play. 01:33:03.680 --> 01:33:05.840 The coffee plates came into play big time, I'll tell you how. 01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:07.439 But first, I want to tell you this. 01:33:07.760 --> 01:33:16.239 Did you know the Russos actually put up their production company, briefly created an online Avengers Doomsday theory Board online? 01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:17.680 No. 01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:25.520 And they had a lot of what happened, what it was for was for people coming up with theories for Doomsday. 01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:32.159 So they literally put something out there for people to put on there for them to read and laugh at, and or whatever their reasons are, just to do. 01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:35.600 I think it was just to keep us interested or distracted, right? 01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:39.920 Some of the stuff on this thing, get this crap. 01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:42.079 This is not a coincidence, guys. 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:46.560 These are a random unidentified user posted these. 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:47.920 The same one. 01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:55.920 One of the things was Steve has a child, and it's possible that that child is what's causing incursions. 01:33:56.239 --> 01:34:01.920 Now, let me ask you this on a scale of one to ten, what's the chances that's in this movie to you? 01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:05.039 The child causing incursions? 01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:09.439 Well, do you think that Steve having a child has a lot to do with why there's incursions happening? 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:12.479 I don't think. 01:34:12.720 --> 01:34:13.279 You don't think so? 01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:14.479 No, I think one to ten. 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:22.239 You think that's I if I'm if I'm to buy the rumors are out there about this, I think it's just Steve staying back and surviving. 01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:24.560 So I put a five on this one for one to ten. 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:24.960 Okay. 01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:29.520 Why I say that is because I do think there's something to be said about the kid shouldn't exist. 01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:32.880 But I don't think it's causing the incursion. 01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:33.760 Does that make sense? 01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:34.159 Yes. 01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:34.800 Okay. 01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:40.239 I think you being in the

wrong place causes the incursion, but I think the kid not existing is a big deal. 01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:40.720 Yeah. 01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:42.800 Because it shouldn't have happened, right? 01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:44.960 So then here's the other one. 01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:58.479 Steve's time jumping and stone returning stuff is probably what Doom, what makes Doom upset is like is what is what leads to whatever it is that makes Doom on his path. 01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:00.800 And I think that's almost a nine. 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:10.640 I think it's guaranteed that whatever Steve did when it comes down to taking the stones back andor staying back in time with Peggy caused things to happen for Doom to be who he is now. 01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:14.960 And that's why Steve is a highlight in this, and Doom's kind of after him, right? 01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:15.600 In a way. 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:16.960 Yeah, I can see that. 01:35:17.119 --> 01:35:19.840 I think it's I mean, these are all rumors and conjecture, right? 01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:20.720 But that's just it. 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:25.439 This is a random post, which is the funny thing is I think the random post is actually the Russo's. 01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:26.000 Oh. 01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:34.079 Because the other one here is the Fantastic Four will travel to Steve's timeline and/or universe to join the MCU. 01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:36.239 Our normal timeline MCU. 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:37.760 And that's we know is true. 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:39.520 We see it happening already. 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:40.640 It's in the trailers. 01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:42.560 There's one more that they put out there. 01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:43.520 Oh, there's two more. 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:44.159 I'm sorry. 01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:44.800 Dr. 01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:50.159 Doom could be Tony Stark, or Tony Stark could be Doctor Doom. 01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:54.640 Which I think is the idea of which one's which, right? 01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:55.279 At this point. 01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:59.119 And I think this obviously him looking like Tony's gonna have something to do with it. 01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:03.039 All the stuff they've been doing in these interviews, like pretty much a given away that they're doing that. 01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:04.800 What it is though, we don't know, right? 01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:05.920 And that's the big secret. 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:10.880 Now, this is the fifth one they put out there that nobody seems to talk about, and you're not even talking about this either. 01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:17.359 But the fifth one by the same user says Steve's child eventually becomes a villain. 01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:20.000 Oh, interesting. 01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:23.279 And it's the same user, and I think it's the Russo's. 01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:25.840 I think they were throwing these things out there to see what people say. 01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:27.840 And no one's talked about that. 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:32.399 But that's part of the same post that made such a big deal at the time. 01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:36.479 If that's the case, there's some thought to be put behind that, right? 01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:38.319 That's not even my theory though. 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:40.960 I just want us to remember that, guys. 01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:46.960 So I'm guessing I'm gonna get right to it, okay? 01:36:48.560 --> 01:37:01.279 The coffee thing was like they were using the letters, the variant letters on the menu or on the description of these coffee flavors tied with the English letters of it, so you could read it. 01:37:01.439 --> 01:37:06.640 They were able to use to decipher Robert Downey Jr.'s coat that he wore at the Comic-Con thing. 01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:10.159 And which is actually really that's real smart. 01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:11.920 These people are smart, right? 01:37:12.079 --> 01:37:17.680 I had to look this up because I wouldn't have been able to do that, or I wouldn't even thought of that, which we could be able to do it, but we just didn't think of it. 01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:23.359 But his right pocket has letters and that says revenge. 01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:28.560 His left pocket has letters and that says justice in Latvarian. 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:32.800 According to the letters on the menu of the coffee thing. 01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:36.800 If you match the symbol with the letters there, that's what they say. 01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:43.039 His lapel, the thing that goes down this this front of him, says there is no promise of tomorrow. 01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:47.439 And his cuffs says to the victor goes the spoils. 01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:49.600 Interesting. 01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:51.439 These are all things I just want to throw out there. 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:57.680 It's not so much part of the main theory here, but I'm gonna say it right now. 01:37:58.000 --> 01:37:59.520 I do think, guys. 01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:07.760 I'm just gonna say it and then I'll explain. 01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:12.239 What if it's secret wars? 01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:19.359 What if the truth of those three A's that we got back in that picture that nobody talks about anymore? 01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:34.239 And then we had this weird rumor that happened that we even had a comment on and said that's a bad idea, and we don't think they should do that, and then it just kind of went away, and it's not something that's gonna happen no more, and it's turned into a different thing, and no one's even brought it up again. 01:38:34.479 --> 01:38:37.520 What if there is a third Avengers movie? 01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:41.119 Huh? 01:38:42.399 --> 01:38:46.640 And the three A's do mean that, right? 01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:48.479 There's a third Avengers movie. 01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:52.079 Now I'm I know they put a lot in Infinity War. 01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:57.840 So what I'm about to say isn't true, but it also is kind of true if you think about it, right? 01:38:58.239

--> 01:39:02.720 So they put a lot in that one movie for Infinity War. 01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:06.239 And Endgame was its own thing where it wasn't based. 01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:11.039 They took things from comics, maybe ideas, but it was an original idea, right? 01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:11.199 Yeah. 01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:13.520 That followed something that was based off a comic. 01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:13.840 Yeah. 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:15.520 So we're doing the opposite now, right? 01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:21.439 So Doctor Doom or Doomsday is an original idea going into a comic idea, right? 01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:21.920 Yep. 01:39:22.159 --> 01:39:28.880 So what if all these freaking shoots and these things being moved around and they're telling us all these stuff? 01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:31.840 They're telling us all about people that are going to be in secret wars. 01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:35.840 We're getting I'm I'm getting Secret Wars fatigued because we haven't seen Doomsday yet. 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:40.880 And so why would you tell us the conclusion stuff without letting us at least be teased for the beginning? 01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:44.319 What if it's because we're not being told about the conclusion stuff? 01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:47.439 Because the conclusion stuff is actually a third movie. 01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:48.079 Okay. 01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:55.439 So our first movie is going to be an introduction of Doctor Doom. 01:39:55.520 --> 01:39:57.199 And it's going to be his movie, right? 01:39:58.399 --> 01:40:01.439 And that's going to set up Doom, do the whole thing what it's supposed to. 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:05.119 I might actually even if you're ready for this. 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:06.960 Here we go. 01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:10.640 I'm not going to go too hardcore, but um. 01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:17.279 But it sets up Doom of who he's supposed to be, gives us a full movie of him. 01:40:17.439 --> 01:40:21.680 By the end of the movie, he creates Battle World, our heroes lose, right? 01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:24.880 We get into the second movie, now it's Battle World. 01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:46.319 What if Battle World is the villains movie, and the whole movie is us in Battle World, and it's our heroes that have their memories back, or the ones that retain their memories, are recruiting people, and they systematically slowly have to beat the villains in this. 01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:55.520 And as they do, it you know builds up to this epic conclusion, which is a third movie, which is the actual war. 01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:56.640 Secret Wars. 01:40:56.880 --> 01:40:59.279 Which would be the war of Secret Wars, right? 01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:00.159 I like that. 01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:06.560 Think of the second movie being the two towers of this trilogy. 01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:07.520 It's funny you said that. 01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:08.800 I was thinking Hunger Games. 01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:20.479 Like this sounds like this could have been their

they're in the simulation, and this this is the second movie, but they haven't met President Snow yet, which is the third movie, which would be them meeting Dr. 01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:20.880 Doom. 01:41:21.119 --> 01:41:25.199 So what would be sweet is you gotta have you gotta have your Helm's Deep moment, right? 01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:28.159 And this why this is how this would go, I think, in my mind. 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:31.279 You take this first Doomsday movie, and it's all the OGs again. 01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:35.039 If you think about it, it's the old X-Men, it's our guys. 01:41:35.199 --> 01:41:36.319 We got some new in there. 01:41:36.399 --> 01:41:37.279 There's a new mix, right? 01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:44.079 We got that kind of going on, but this is their movie, it's their OG movies for them for to do this, and they're gonna lose, and a lot of them are gonna die, all that crazy stuff. 01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:59.279 The second movie is gonna be for the villains that we have, they're gonna have a little more of a part of it, but it's also gonna be those characters that are the mid-characters, they're not quite olgs, but they're still the new characters that they could either end here or they could continue on. 01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:08.000 So the chances of us actually getting if we get Chairwatch for Secret Wars and it's the old X-Men or the other X-Men guys. 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:11.520 What if it is the middle class of those guys, the other versions of them? 01:42:11.680 --> 01:42:19.680 I don't know if that's what they're gonna go for, but it would be interesting to see it's it's a bunch of weird characters that are like, wait a minute, I didn't think we'd ever get these guys back. 01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:21.760 And that's the weird ones that we're going to get. 01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:23.760 What if it is Ben Affleck's Daredevil? 01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:25.520 What if it is wild stuff like that? 01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:27.359 Because that's the place to do it, right? 01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:34.479 And I think in that second movie, they recruit Thanos and he leads a march against Doom. 01:42:35.199 --> 01:42:38.159 And the end of that is Thanos dying from Doom. 01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:39.199 Interesting. 01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:42.159 And then the credits, and we're gonna be like, what the hell's going on? 01:42:42.319 --> 01:42:45.359 The credits are gonna come up and we're gonna be like, that's not a conclusion to this. 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:57.119 And the mid-credit uh uh teaser is is uh the the teaser trailer to the third movie that they've been filming the whole time in the middle of all this. 01:42:57.680 --> 01:43:04.640 And the third movie is gonna be all our new people that are gonna go forward, like the new cast of the X-Men. 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:10.640 Then anyone new that's gonna stay, saves the multiverse from Doctor Doom. 01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:28.000 And now you have your soft reboot, and you had three movies to introduce

a big bad guy that goes through three of them, and you get to see the OGs go away, the mid-guys get their get their glory, and the new guys save everybody, and that moves on from there. 01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:29.760 Think about it. 01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:36.079 What is the project right now after Doomsday after Secret Wars? 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:41.680 Like the the only project on her other than TV shows, because remember, that's what they're changing, right? 01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:42.560 Yep, is X-Men. 01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:46.159 After Secret Wars, and it's in the date for X-Men is what? 01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:47.439 I think I wrote it down. 01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:50.479 May 5th, 2028. 01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:54.479 So Secret Wars is coming out when? 01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:56.000 December 2027. 01:43:56.239 --> 01:43:56.880 Right. 01:43:58.880 --> 01:43:59.920 So think about it. 01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:05.359 So you think the I think we're gonna get the third movie in December 2028. 01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:13.680 Or 20 uh um I think they're gonna move X-Men when we get closer, is what I'm trying to say. 01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:17.760 I think they're gonna move X-Men to May of 2029. 01:44:19.279 --> 01:44:24.880 And what they're filming for X-Men right now is actually the third Avengers movie. 01:44:25.359 --> 01:44:29.840 What do you think that the Ghost Rider and Black Panther ones are gonna be delayed too then? 01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:32.319 I I'm not sure what the dates are on those ones, do you remember? 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:34.319 Ghost Rider's the end of July 2020. 01:44:34.479 --> 01:44:35.039 Of 2028. 01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:35.840 Yep. 01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:39.760 And then it is December 2028 for Black Panther 3. 01:44:40.079 --> 01:44:40.560 Yep. 01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:43.279 Because that traditionally then would be the next move. 01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:53.199 I think they're using those dates and those filming times to hide that third movie that they're making. 01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:53.920 Mm-hmm. 01:44:56.880 --> 01:44:58.000 Well, they could do that. 01:44:58.159 --> 01:45:03.840 They hid Black Widow's movie until all of a sudden we we're like, oh, she's filming a movie that no one knows about. 01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:04.479 Like, yeah. 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:06.880 But they're just gonna tell us we're making an X-Men movie. 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:07.680 Oh, wait a minute. 01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:09.359 Sorry guys, we're wrong. 01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:18.960 X-Men's not coming out now until 2029, and we're gonna be distracted distracted for a couple months going, oh man, see what they're doing, they're gonna ruin X-Men, see what they're doing, blah, blah, blah. 01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:26.079 But we're gonna be on our minds though, we're gonna know now there's a third movie coming, and we're gonna be oh so that's what they're doing. 01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:27.840 I think that's what they're doing. 01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:30.800 I think there's a third Avengers movie in here. 01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:35.279 I mean, I go. 01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:51.600 I'm not gonna say no to that because honestly, I always thought that they should have done a three Avengers movie back-to-back type thing for this big of a th story, you know, and especially for as ambitious as they're trying to be with the ensemble of all the all the past actors. 01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:53.760 I think they should to give them all their due. 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:57.279 But give Dooms three good movies of being Doom. 01:45:57.840 --> 01:45:59.520 There's a Doom buildup right there. 01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:00.319 Well, that's just it. 01:46:00.560 --> 01:46:05.520 Let that first movie be that mega buildup and then let show what it's like being in his power. 01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:10.720 I like I said, think of Lord of the Rings, think of the middle one being the two towers of it. 01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:14.319 Thanos grabbing an army together saying, Hey, look, you know what? 01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:15.600 I know what happened. 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:16.319 Now I get it. 01:46:16.399 --> 01:46:19.600 I'd snapped and you all pissed and all that, but we got rid of this guy. 01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:21.439 And to who else? 01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:29.119 Could you imagine Steve standing there talking to Thanos and be like, listen, we might have to do something. 01:46:29.279 --> 01:46:36.159 And Thanos leading an army against Doom, and then Doom coming down and just wrecking Thanos' house, right? 01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:38.319 And then we just went, Oh my god, what's going on? 01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:41.680 And then they give us a teaser trailer for next year, by the way, here comes. 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:48.159 You know, and as soon as they announce that, the next day they they announce the move to the movies, and we'd be like, Yep, that makes sense. 01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:57.600 So our first introduction to our X-Men is going to our new X-Men is going to be in that third movie, helping save the multiverse. 01:46:57.760 --> 01:46:58.000 Yeah. 01:46:58.159 --> 01:46:59.840 I and I I just could see this. 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:05.920 I could see them spending an entire two and a half hours on Battle World and what that's like. 01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:10.000 Then you could have great another showdown of Thor and Hella. 01:47:10.079 --> 01:47:13.439 You can where Thor's got the yellow lightning and he's all powered out, right? 01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:19.359 And you can have the more of a showdown with something more with Ultron, with whatever the hell we got coming there. 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:23.359 Seeing Kat fight Red Skull again, like a legit big fight would be cool, right? 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.680 Yeah, I think I think there's something there. 01:47:26.159 --> 01:47:28.560 You know, I do think there's a possibility in this. 01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:35.520 I mean, guys, it's ambitious, it's huge, but I'm looking at it like it

wouldn't be so hard for them to be filming these movies like right now. 01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:37.520 They're just telling us what they're doing. 01:47:37.600 --> 01:47:39.279 That doesn't mean that's what they're doing, right? 01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:42.479 Like in who says some of these shots and things they're doing. 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:44.239 I mean, all these people talk weird. 01:47:44.399 --> 01:47:49.199 These actors and stuff, you got to think of the time it takes to get them together when they have time. 01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:51.520 I mean, I don't know. 01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:53.439 I see this could be a possibility. 01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:56.000 I think this could be a lot of fun if they did it. 01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:59.119 I think it would be a great here's what I'm trying to say. 01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:00.960 I'm gonna close out on it. 01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:12.399 If this is a soft reboot of the MCU, I truly think doing it in this three-movie movie structure, like I just explained, would do it justice for what we've had. 01:48:13.439 --> 01:48:19.039 Instead of cramming it into two movies, especially one that's not based on a comic. 01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:20.880 That's new stuff. 01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:21.760 Yeah. 01:48:23.600 --> 01:48:25.359 That's how I feel about it. 01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:27.039 What do you think? 01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:28.560 Pretty ambitious, too much? 01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:30.399 No, I don't think it's too much. 01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:35.520 I um it well, okay, at first it's a lot to take in. 01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:40.399 So everyone, take it in, think about it, comment down below what do you think about it. 01:48:40.720 --> 01:48:50.880 I am not gonna say no to having a third movie, and I think that a lot of these release or not release, what's the right wording? 01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:55.520 The film dates of why it's been pushed off, why they filmed here. 01:48:55.600 --> 01:49:03.439 They only filmed a week of this, oh this, this, oh, now it's gonna be now it's gonna be until January, maybe in February they're gonna start filming. 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:04.960 Are they gonna be able to do it? 01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:11.600 I bet they've already done some of this, uh, all the filming mainly at least started that that they need. 01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:20.319 And I wouldn't be surprised if there is a secret movie or just compiled of all the stuff they're making for secret wars inside this. 01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:25.520 And and and truthfully, it works for the meta commentary that Russo's like doing. 01:49:26.079 --> 01:49:36.079 I always thought that why are they gonna make Battle World at the end of Doomsday, and then we only see it in Secret Wars, and that's a whole other playground to see our heroes in. 01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:52.000 I would have thought you end one of your phases, and then the whole next phase are three or four solo character movies in there, and then you get to your final battle,

which means you could have had a World War Hawk scenario that's just on Battle World. 01:49:52.159 --> 01:49:59.600 You could have had uh Spider Man fighting some of these villains in non New York City, but on a distorted New York City that's on battle world, you know. 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:03.119 I mean, like I think that stuff would be really cool to see. 01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:06.960 But now, if this is true, say this comes true. 01:50:07.119 --> 01:50:11.039 Would you would you like the idea that one movie is dedicated to just Battle World? 01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:11.359 Yeah. 01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:12.560 It's not a conclusion. 01:50:12.640 --> 01:50:14.239 It's a just a middle. 01:50:14.640 --> 01:50:15.600 This is what it's like here. 01:50:16.079 --> 01:50:22.079 See, and I think what people won't understand, like executive people won't understand, is that we would love that. 01:50:22.239 --> 01:50:23.119 That'd be awesome. 01:50:23.439 --> 01:50:28.960 Because it's just seeing our favorite heroes in the playground and seeing if they can survive or not. 01:50:29.119 --> 01:50:37.119 And then they pick up the clues along the way of what they need to do, and then come to the end, they'd be like, we have our directive, we see Doom in sight, let's go for it. 01:50:37.279 --> 01:50:40.399 And then we get a whole movie of the secret wars. 01:50:40.560 --> 01:50:41.039 I like that. 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:42.319 I think that's kind of cool. 01:50:42.479 --> 01:50:42.960 Yeah. 01:50:43.199 --> 01:50:46.479 And and then a secret movie for secret wars, right? 01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:49.680 Like I think the meta commentary is there, and they like to do that stuff. 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:54.960 And I think it's so funny to think that we told you this back in this picture, way back before Doom came. 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:56.159 Doomsday came. 01:50:56.319 --> 01:50:58.720 So look at the three A's, there it is, right there. 01:50:59.119 --> 01:51:00.159 I think that back in the case. 01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:02.079 So I'm not the first person to have this theory, though. 01:51:02.159 --> 01:51:08.479 I will have to give some credit to Robert Meyer Burnett for saying that on the campaign show that I think there's three movies coming. 01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:12.239 And then when they did announce that third one, he was all down, and then they took it away. 01:51:12.399 --> 01:51:16.159 I just I just went further and took his theory to the extreme. 01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:20.479 Because for me, it's almost like there's a lot. 01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:25.119 If I didn't do that little deep dive on some of the Secret War stuff, I wouldn't have thought this. 01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:30.319 But part of me is like, like, I know they put a lot in the Infinity War thing, and I know there's a lot to Infinity War as well. 01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:39.840 So it is, I can't use that as an example, but part of me thinks, you have the characters now, so why not elaborate on some

of these things? 01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:45.199 It made sense in Infinity War at the time because you didn't have certain things you wanted to do. 01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:49.199 Now you pretty much got all you need for the most part. 01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:54.960 So and they're all here, they're all working for you right now. 01:51:55.760 --> 01:51:59.359 Like, why are why wouldn't you utilize that? 01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:09.119 And let's have a really good goodbye to what we've known and give a nice little push nudge out to sea for the ones that are coming next. 01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:13.680 Whether it's OGs that survive or brand new ones going forward. 01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:17.840 To me, that actually makes more sense on why Ghost Rider's gonna be there. 01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:22.079 Because why are we gonna introduce him and random stuff? 01:52:22.159 --> 01:52:26.640 I get it, he needs to come in later, but that was a rumor that he's being he's coming in secret wars. 01:52:26.720 --> 01:52:31.199 And the more we hear about secret wars, it seems like everybody and their uncle is in this movie. 01:52:31.439 --> 01:52:33.840 Smoky the Bear's in this damn movie, right? 01:52:34.000 --> 01:52:40.239 So it's like for me, it's like, what if they're talking about other things than just secret wars, right? 01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:45.760 Because I could see Ghost Rider being in that third one of the guys that help move things forward. 01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:49.520 I actually think Mephisto is gonna be in this filler one as well. 01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:51.920 I do interesting. 01:52:52.159 --> 01:52:52.800 I do. 01:52:53.039 --> 01:53:02.640 But anyways, that and we get Thanos as a good guy trying to help us get rid of Doom, and Doom can maybe maybe he's collecting the Hulk because the Hulk is gonna be his champion. 01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:05.439 Hulk's already had that happen to him before, right? 01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:16.800 What if he's just like, hey, look, I got you and take you out of play for one, and for two, you know, when when I'm sitting up in my throne watching people fight, you're gonna be the one that kicks everybody's ass the entire time. 01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:33.119 Then Thanos walks in and actually kicks the Hulk's butt, like he usually does, and that's when Doom's puts his cigarette out and goes down there and you know, and then just then just wipes the floor with Thanos with his with his cyber sorcery, you know what I'm saying? 01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:36.960 Rips his spine out like he does in that classic comic book scene. 01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:42.319 I mean, I I'm just like thinking I would that movie would drop our jaws to the floor. 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:49.359 That movie ends with them all defeated at Thanos dead, and they use Thanos to try to take him down. 01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:51.039 Because why not try to use Thanos? 01:53:51.439 --> 01:53:52.479 Why not get that one? 01:53:52.640 --> 01:53:56.159 Convince that guy, because that guy pretty much killed everybody at one point. 01:53:56.399 --> 01:53:57.520 He's the one that can help us. 01:53:57.600 --> 01:53:58.640 And Thanos could. 01:53:58.800 --> 01:53:59.119 Yep. 01:53:59.279 --> 01:54:00.880 But Doom's just too much. 01:54:01.039 --> 01:54:05.920 Especially God Emperor Doom, who we want more than just a few minutes in a movie of, right? 01:54:06.079 --> 01:54:06.319 Mm-hmm. 01:54:06.479 --> 01:54:09.920 One whole movie of him just being, I'm Doom, mofos. 01:54:10.159 --> 01:54:10.479 Yeah. 01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:15.680 Then if you want Franklin and all these kids to be a lot older, you got three movies now to do it in. 01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:21.039 So when we do get into the next phases of the MCU and it's a reboot, they're older, they're old people. 01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:23.600 Not old people, but they're adults or they're young adults. 01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:26.159 Or, you know, West Coast Avengers or the young Avengers. 01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:27.680 And I just think it, I just see it. 01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:28.319 I can see it. 01:54:28.399 --> 01:54:29.680 And I'm I'm digging it. 01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:30.880 I'm digging it. 01:54:31.119 --> 01:54:31.760 All right, guys. 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:36.479 Well, what do you think about his theory throwdown on a third secret Avengers movie? 01:54:36.720 --> 01:54:37.119 Oof. 01:54:37.600 --> 01:54:39.279 Secret movie for Secret Wars, right? 01:54:39.359 --> 01:54:39.840 There you go. 01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:40.640 That'd be sick. 01:54:40.800 --> 01:54:41.680 That'd be really cool. 01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:43.279 You heard it here first, guys. 01:54:43.439 --> 01:54:43.680 Yeah. 01:54:43.840 --> 01:54:45.600 Let us know what you think in the comments below. 01:54:45.840 --> 01:54:46.319 All right. 01:54:46.479 --> 01:54:48.159 What are we gonna move into next then? 01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:51.520 Next, we're going into our branch point breakdown, and today it's She-Hulk. 01:54:51.680 --> 01:54:52.000 And you know what? 01:54:52.079 --> 01:54:57.359 I'm actually looking forward to this because there's a lot of little things I gotta say about some of these episodes. 01:54:57.439 --> 01:55:07.119 It's not as terrible as I remember, and I have a pretty intriguing hot take that you'll find very interesting that you already have a preview to, but we'll we'll talk about it when we get there. 01:55:07.199 --> 01:55:09.279 And then after that, guys gonna stay for a retro. 01:55:09.359 --> 01:55:10.319 But yeah, no. 01:55:11.359 --> 01:55:12.319 She-Hulk next. 01:55:12.399 --> 01:55:12.720 Let's go. 01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:14.239 She-Hulk Smash. 01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:20.239 She-Hulk Smash. 01:55:20.640 --> 01:55:21.760 All right, everybody. 01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:24.239 Welcome to our branch point breakdown. 01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:31.680 Today we are jumping into the MCU show or the Disney Disney Plus MCU show, She-Hulk. 01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:32.319 Mm-hmm. 01:55:32.479 -->

01:55:40.720 And it's exciting because it's not gonna get a good score, but it is going to be interesting to talk about because you know it's one that needed to be revisited to be honest about. 01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:42.960 So, Sammy, I'm gonna pass it to you. 01:55:43.039 --> 01:55:49.920 I'm gonna let you go ahead and give us the history of this sucker and see how it is, and then we'll go ahead and dive into this show and talk about it. 01:55:50.239 --> 01:55:50.720 Got it. 01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:52.000 All right, guys. 01:55:52.239 --> 01:55:55.840 So, uh She-Hulk, attorney at law. 01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:56.319 Mm-hmm. 01:55:56.479 --> 01:55:59.439 Release date was August 18th, 2022. 01:55:59.680 --> 01:56:03.520 And my apologies in advance if I do butcher any of these names. 01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:24.479 But uh our casts include Tatiana Maslani, Jamil Jamil, Jamila, I'm sorry, Jamil, Tim Roth, Ginger Gonzaga, Renee Elisa Goldsberry, Patty Guggenheim, Josh Sagara, Benedict Wong, Charlie Cox, and Mark Ruffalo. 01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:37.279 So, history behind the film, guys, or project I should say, She-Hulk Attorney at law premiered on Disney Plus on August 18, 2022, bringing one of Marvel Comics' most unconventional superheroes into the MCU. 01:56:37.439 --> 01:56:54.479 Unlike many Marvel productions built around world-ending threats, this nine-episode series was envisioned as half-hour legal comedy about Jennifer Walter, a single attorney in her 30s who suddenly finds herself balancing her career, dating life, friendships, and newfound Hulk abilities. 01:56:54.720 --> 01:57:06.800 Head writer and creator Jessica Gow, best known for her work on Rick and Morty, wanted to make a superhero show that felt like a workplace sitcom, with superhero-related legal cases providing the weekly stories. 01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:10.399 Director Kat Caro Koryo Koro? 01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:10.960 Yeah. 01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:13.279 That directed six episodes. 01:57:13.439 --> 01:57:13.760 Yeah. 01:57:14.239 --> 01:57:18.399 And Anu Valia directed the remaining three. 01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:25.920 Marvel Studios president Kevin Fige supported the idea of making the show a comedy while still keeping it connected to the larger MCU. 01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:27.279 I don't know if they really did. 01:57:27.359 --> 01:57:31.279 But anyways, um the development process actually had an interesting beginning. 01:57:31.439 --> 01:57:36.960 Jessica Gow originally pitched She-Hulk as part of her idea for the Black Widow movie. 01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:39.920 She That's not true, is it? 01:57:40.560 --> 01:57:45.840 According to our history of this, I did not read this ahead of time, guys, so my my immediate like, what? 01:57:46.319 --> 01:57:47.279 Anyways, yeah. 01:57:47.439 --> 01:57:49.039 Um, all authentic here. 01:57:49.279 --> 01:57:57.520 She-Hulk was her favorite Marvel character, and Marvel executives eventually recognized that Gal was essentially pitching a She-Hawk project with Black Widow included. 01:57:57.680 --> 01:58:01.840 That pitch helped led uh to her becoming the show's head writer. 01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:07.760 Tatiana Maslani, who had earned an Emmy for her multiple performances in Orphan Black, was cast as Jennifer Walters. 01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:26.319 The supporting cast included Ginger Gonzaga as Nicky Ramos, Jamila Jamil as Titania, Josh Sagara as Pug, John Bass as Todd, Renee Elise Goldsbury as Mallory Book, and Mark Ruffalo returning as Bruce Banner. 01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:33.520 Tim Roth also returned as Emile Blonsky Abomination, while Benedict Wong reprised as Wong. 01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:43.279 The series gave Maslani her first major superhero franchise role, while several supporting performers received a significant introduction to the MCU. 01:58:43.520 --> 01:58:54.880 Filming began in April 2021 at Trilleth Studios in Atlanta, Georgia, after early plans were disrupted by the COVID-19 pandemic. 01:58:55.039 --> 01:59:00.159 The production used working titles including Libra, uh Libra, I guess. 01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:00.800 Libra, yeah. 01:59:01.039 --> 01:59:02.800 Clover, and Big Lady. 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:06.000 One of the biggest challenges was creating She-Hulk herself. 01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:19.039 Maslani performed in munching capture equipment, wore a head-mounted camera to capture facial expressions, and frequently stood on elevated platforms so other actors could maintain the correct eye line with her much taller digital character. 01:59:19.279 --> 01:59:28.159 Visual effects company uh Digital Domain contributed to 1,000 shots, including approximately 660 featuring She-Hulk. 01:59:28.319 --> 01:59:36.560 The team also had to develop new approaches to creating her muscles, clothing, hair, facial expressions, and changing appearance. 01:59:36.800 --> 01:59:42.560 At the time, the MCU was in phase four, following Multiverse of Madness, and shortly after, Ms. 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:45.359 Marvel and Thor, Love and Thunder. 01:59:45.600 --> 01:59:53.600 Marvel was still introducing new heroes and exploring the consequences of Avengers Endgame, but She-Hulk deliberately took a smaller, more comedic approach. 01:59:53.840 --> 02:00:07.520 It explored the everyday legal complications of living in a world filled with superheroes, including property damage, superhuman crimes, and the public's fascination with enhanced individuals. 02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:19.760 It also broke, or I'm sorry, it also brought back familiar characters such as Wong, Abomination, and Daredevil, with Charlie Cox reprising his role as Matt Murdoch for the first time in the MCU proper. 02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:29.680 The story was heavily influenced by John Brain's famous sensational Shee-Hulk comic book run, particularly Jennifer's habit of breaking the fourth wall and speaking directly to readers. 02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:41.359 The series took that concept further by having Jen comment on the MCU itself, joke

about superhero storytelling conventions, and eventually challenged Marvel's own storytelling formula. 02:00:41.680 --> 02:00:48.239 Interestingly, the writers originally planned a much more traditional Marvel finale featuring a large CGI battle. 02:00:48.479 --> 02:01:00.960 Jessica Gow reportedly wrote over 20 versions of the ending before Kevin Feige encouraged her to stop trying to deliver a conventional Marvel climax and embrace the show's unusual personality. 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:15.279 The final episode became a mega comp metacomedy in which Jen breaks out of her Disney Plus show, enters the real world, and confronts Kevin, a fictional artificial intelligence representing Marvel's creative leadership. 02:01:16.159 --> 02:01:19.199 There were also several significant changes during production. 02:01:19.359 --> 02:01:25.119 Originally, Jennifer's transformation and origin story was not supposed to be revealed until episode 8. 02:01:25.279 --> 02:01:29.359 But Marvel moved the origin sequence to the beginning of the series after filming. 02:01:29.600 --> 02:01:33.119 This required considerable additional work for the visual effects team. 02:01:33.279 --> 02:01:38.640 The writers also had to reduce certain Sheehawk appearances because the CGI was so expensive. 02:01:38.880 --> 02:01:46.960 At one point, the production even considered casting two different actresses, one for Jennifer Walters and another for her larger She-Hawk form. 02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:52.079 Similar to the old television series featuring Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno. 02:01:52.399 --> 02:01:53.520 Ferrigno, sorry. 02:01:53.760 --> 02:02:00.800 They ultimately decided that Masolani should perform both versions so the character would feel like one person rather than two separate performers. 02:02:01.039 --> 02:02:04.479 One of the biggest surprises was the return of Charlie Cox's Daredevil. 02:02:04.640 --> 02:02:12.479 His appearance was deliberately much lighter and more comedic than his previous Netflix portrayal, allowing the show to explore a different side of Matthew Murdoch. 02:02:12.880 --> 02:02:20.640 Another fun fact includes the finale's Kevin sequence, the visual effects team spent approximately two years developing the character's appearance. 02:02:20.880 --> 02:02:21.840 Get out of here. 02:02:22.560 --> 02:02:29.439 Even studying Kevin Feige's hand gestures and public appearances to make the robotic figure resemble him. 02:02:29.680 --> 02:02:41.359 Jessica Gow initially considered casting a recognizable actor such as John Hamm or George Clooney to portray Feige, but decided that a robot wearing a baseball cap like visor would be funnier. 02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:48.560 Because this was a Disney Plus series, there's no theatrical box office revenue to compare against the budget. 02:02:48.800 --> 02:03:00.960 Disney did not officially publish the show's production budget, although the industry and some sources believe it circles around$225 million for the season.

02:03:01.199 --> 02:03:03.279 That figure is not official, by the way. 02:03:03.439 --> 02:03:12.000 Nielsen report approximately 390 minutes of view time in the US premiere week measurement period, providing one indication of its streaming performance. 02:03:12.239 --> 02:03:19.600 Rotten Tomato currently lists season one at 77% from critics and 32% from audiences. 02:03:20.560 --> 02:03:33.119 Critics generally appreciated Masolani's performance to comedy and the show's willingness to experiment while audience reactions were considerably more divided, particularly over its humor, CGI, and unconventional finale. 02:03:33.520 --> 02:03:39.359 Ultimately, She-Haulk Attorney at Law was one of Marvel's biggest creative experiments during Phase 4. 02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:48.319 Rather than trying to make Jennifer Walters another version of Bruce Banner, the series embraced her comic book personality, fourth wall-breaking humor, and everyday problems. 02:03:48.560 --> 02:04:02.800 Its unusual finale changed the expectations of the MCU itself, while its guest appearances and legal comedy format opened up opportunities for future stories involving Daredevil, Wong, Abomination, and other superpower characters. 02:04:03.039 --> 02:04:12.720 Love it or dislike it, the show attempted something Marvel had rarely done before, make a superhero series that openly poked fun at the franchise producing it. 02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:17.760 So, my brother, what is the official synopsis? 02:04:18.000 --> 02:04:29.680 So the official synopsis, guys, is Jennifer Walters navigates the complicated life of a single 30-something attorney who also happens to be a green six foot seven inch superpowered Hulk. 02:04:30.000 --> 02:04:30.800 Mm-hmm. 02:04:31.039 --> 02:04:31.520 All right. 02:04:34.399 --> 02:04:34.800 Yeah. 02:04:35.199 --> 02:04:37.359 Kevin Feige, the thing with the robot. 02:04:37.520 --> 02:04:38.560 That's ridiculous. 02:04:38.720 --> 02:04:39.760 Two years to do that. 02:04:40.000 --> 02:04:40.960 Two years to make it? 02:04:43.840 --> 02:04:44.479 They want it funny. 02:04:44.560 --> 02:04:54.319 It should have just been Mickey Mouse in a room, in a like sitting behind a desk with his feet up on the desk, and he's like, he's back in the chair in their shadow and just like smoking a cigarette. 02:04:54.720 --> 02:04:56.479 She comes in and she like tells him all the things. 02:04:56.560 --> 02:05:03.680 He puts it out and he pushes a button and the door opens and people come in and they leave and they do what they wanted to do instead of having this weird conversation that they have. 02:05:03.840 --> 02:05:06.239 I'd say that'd be funny because that's really just making decisions. 02:05:06.479 --> 02:05:09.760 That'd be yeah, interesting. 02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:20.239 Um the other thing I'm gonna say, it's gonna be part of our other stuff, but yeah, do you want to go ahead and tell us the first episodes, uh our first uh act? 02:05:20.319 --> 02:05:22.239 Pretty much we're doing this in three different acts. 02:05:22.399 --> 02:05:25.199 Yeah, one through three is our first one, uh, episode-wise. 02:05:25.279 --> 02:05:30.479 So go ahead, Sammy, tell us uh what happens in episode one through three, and then let's discuss our issues and stuff. 02:05:30.720 --> 02:05:31.039 Okay. 02:05:31.760 --> 02:05:35.439 So um The beginning, guys. 02:05:35.600 --> 02:05:36.159 Act one. 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:49.359 Before a major courtroom case, attorney Jennifer Walters is cross-contaminated with her cousin Bruce Banner's blood during a car crash caused by a Saqqarian spacecraft, transforming her into She-Hulk. 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:58.239 After effortlessly mastering control of her powers at Banner's secret Mexican lab, she rejects the superhero life to return to her legal career. 02:05:58.479 --> 02:06:05.279 Though a courtroom battle with the superpowered influencer, Titania, soon thrusts her into the public eye. 02:06:05.520 --> 02:06:20.800 Fired after a resulting mistrial, Jennifer is hired by law firm GLKNH to head their new superhuman law division as She-Hawk full-time, alongside her paralegal best friend Nikki Ramos. 02:06:21.359 --> 02:06:29.760 Her first major case involves successfully securing parole for Emile Blonsky, aka Abomination, with help from the Sorcerer Supreme Wong. 02:06:30.319 --> 02:06:40.319 While her co-worker Pug finds a fraud case for her former uh colleague involving a shape-shifting light elf who believes he's Mechandistallion. 02:06:41.119 --> 02:06:42.479 Or she is, I should say. 02:06:42.640 --> 02:06:52.960 Ultimately, after a televised interview, Walters is attacked by the Asgardian weapon-wielding wrecking crew who failed to steal a sample of her blood for an anonymous client. 02:06:54.000 --> 02:06:54.319 Okay. 02:06:55.920 --> 02:06:57.199 Well, yeah. 02:06:58.000 --> 02:06:59.600 How do we want to tackle this guy? 02:06:59.680 --> 02:07:04.560 Do we want to start off with what we like first and then go into what we don't think worked? 02:07:05.199 --> 02:07:09.199 Um my uh Okay. 02:07:10.880 --> 02:07:15.920 I have this written down as my hot take, so I'm not gonna say it right now because I'm trying to save it for later. 02:07:16.000 --> 02:07:27.199 But let me just say that this show I this is of the Disney Plus shows, the one show that I was looking forward to the most because I myself am a Jennifer Walters fan. 02:07:27.439 --> 02:07:27.840 You are. 02:07:28.079 --> 02:07:30.640 Yes, I liked She-Hulk in the comics. 02:07:30.720 --> 02:07:31.680 I thought she was cool. 02:07:31.840 --> 02:07:35.680 I loved her appearances in Fantastic Four, really good stuff. 02:07:35.840 --> 02:07:42.159 I was excited they were even able to do this, to be honest, because I didn't know all the rights issues and all that stuff, but they were able to do it. 02:07:42.399 --> 02:07:45.039 Casting perfect when we got Tatiana Maslani. 02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:49.439 I thought she was a

good, believable cousin to Mark Ruffalo's Bruce Banner. 02:07:49.520 --> 02:07:50.960 I'm like, this is gonna be great. 02:07:51.119 --> 02:07:58.239 And then what we were promised was an Allie McBeal style law comedy. 02:07:58.960 --> 02:08:05.600 So I'm a fan, a huge fan of Calissa Flockhart, but I had never actually watched Allie McBeal. 02:08:05.680 --> 02:08:08.560 I only knew of her from Brothers and Sisters and Supergirl. 02:08:08.640 --> 02:08:10.560 Uh still, like I said, a huge fan. 02:08:10.720 --> 02:08:21.439 So I started immediately binge watching as much as I could of Allie McBeal just to see, okay, if if this is what they're drawing their inspiration from, what they already publicly announced they were gonna do, then I want to see what it's like. 02:08:21.520 --> 02:08:23.680 And that show is funny. 02:08:24.159 --> 02:08:28.079 That is it's got the legal tones, it's perfect, it's hilarious. 02:08:28.239 --> 02:08:32.479 And I thought, if they could do this, just put She-Hulk in it, you got me. 02:08:32.640 --> 02:08:33.760 This is perfect. 02:08:34.079 --> 02:08:36.079 What we got is not that. 02:08:36.319 --> 02:08:37.520 We had Robert Downey Jr. 02:08:37.680 --> 02:08:38.479 in that show for a while. 02:08:39.039 --> 02:08:40.399 Yes, Lucy Lou. 02:08:40.720 --> 02:08:42.319 I mean, oh uh podcast. 02:08:42.800 --> 02:08:43.600 Portia De Rossi. 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:44.239 Oh my gosh. 02:08:44.319 --> 02:08:44.960 Oh, what's his name? 02:08:45.039 --> 02:08:45.439 Michael J. 02:08:45.520 --> 02:08:46.800 Fox wasn't a lot of it. 02:08:47.039 --> 02:08:48.399 Really good people, you know. 02:08:48.479 --> 02:08:54.640 Like, anyways, but this show ultimately did not turn out that exact way. 02:08:55.119 --> 02:09:04.479 But I feel like as the years have gone on, it's no, I'm I'm not gonna say this right now because it's gonna reveal my hot take a little bit. 02:09:04.640 --> 02:09:08.479 So we'll just we'll just start in talking about it, what we think of it. 02:09:08.720 --> 02:09:15.359 Um, it definitely is not gonna get a high rating, but surprisingly, it's not gonna get the lowest rating of the shows. 02:09:15.840 --> 02:09:16.640 Oh, for sure. 02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:17.279 I agree. 02:09:17.520 --> 02:09:21.119 Yeah, and you'd think it would, uh, especially with how disappointed we were. 02:09:21.199 --> 02:09:21.359 Yeah. 02:09:21.520 --> 02:09:28.000 But once you get over the disappointment and look at for this value, um, there is better in it than some of the other shows I've had. 02:09:28.159 --> 02:09:28.479 Mm-hmm. 02:09:28.640 --> 02:09:30.079 So yes, yeah, I agree. 02:09:30.159 --> 02:09:36.479 There is a lot more connective tissue within the show itself that I didn't realize until my rewatch of it. 02:09:36.560 --> 02:09:37.279 I'm like, wow. 02:09:37.600 --> 02:09:38.880 I think our hot takes are similar. 02:09:39.199 --> 02:09:39.359 Yeah. 02:09:39.600 --> 02:09:43.279 We're gonna find that it would work that way when we reveal our hot takes. 02:09:43.520 --> 02:09:43.680 Yeah. 02:09:43.760 --> 02:09:46.880 All right, so let's talk about what worked for the first three episodes. 02:09:47.039 --> 02:09:49.039 Um, I like the first episode. 02:09:49.199 --> 02:09:55.760 The first episode for me of of the whole series is one of two episodes in particular that are like my favorite episodes. 02:09:56.000 --> 02:10:05.119 And um, it was an interesting take to change her origin a little bit from the comics, but I I wasn't disappointed with it. 02:10:05.359 --> 02:10:18.479 The the comics version is a little darker of her getting her powers with like her being shot and Bruce having to um regretfully so give her an infusion or she was gonna die, and then she becomes a Hulk. 02:10:18.640 --> 02:10:22.720 So this one is kind of like a car accident, freak accident type thing. 02:10:22.880 --> 02:10:25.119 And it was but it wasn't bad. 02:10:25.279 --> 02:10:28.880 It was just it was different, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be, you know. 02:10:29.119 --> 02:10:50.560 Yeah, I think the only issue I have with the with her origin, which just kind of doesn't go it doesn't go into what doesn't work for me, but it is something that does bring up some question and it and I don't like questions about stuff, but I just like I find it hard to believe this is the only time Bruce has actually had like his blood contaminate somebody. 02:10:50.720 --> 02:10:59.520 And I know that because she's related to him, we're supposed to assume that they both have some sort of weird family resistance to gamma radiation. 02:10:59.920 --> 02:11:05.600 So to me, it's like those two coincidences in one just makes me go, that's real convenient. 02:11:05.920 --> 02:11:11.199 No, because like what's the chances that she reacts to the gamma radiation the same way he did? 02:11:11.680 --> 02:11:14.960 And then what's the chances that he gets blood on somebody accidentally? 02:11:15.119 --> 02:11:18.640 I think he gets blood on somebody accidentally, way higher than people think. 02:11:19.439 --> 02:11:21.199 And it just seems not to ever happen. 02:11:21.439 --> 02:11:25.760 And it's super low that she would react the same way, especially being cousins. 02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:36.880 It'd almost be better if it was a little sister that we just learnt about rather than cousins, because it's like you can be cousins and almost you know not know the certain aspects of you know DNA and all that. 02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:44.560 I mean, there's some obviously it's there, but like I don't know, just to me that's we don't usually get things passed on to us through our cousins. 02:11:44.960 --> 02:11:46.159 Well, you know what I mean? 02:11:46.319 --> 02:11:52.960 It's like it's kind of a weird I don't know the comic family tree or even the show family tree, to be honest. 02:11:53.039 --> 02:11:59.840 They don't really say it, but from my understanding, isn't um isn't there something with Bruce

Banner? 02:11:59.760 --> 02:12:06.560 Banners' blood that passed from his dad that allows mutations to a degree? 02:12:06.880 --> 02:12:09.760 I don't know that I don't know in particular what it says in comics. 02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:13.039 So hopefully you guys can comment down and show us it's a good question. 02:12:13.199 --> 02:12:20.560 Um I know like the other Hulk movie did that, you know, or yeah, but but once again, that was like a they didn't know that till he did it, right? 02:12:20.640 --> 02:12:25.680 He he was taking that chance and then and and it affected him differently than it did his son. 02:12:26.079 --> 02:12:26.479 Yep. 02:12:26.720 --> 02:12:27.680 In that movie at least. 02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:32.880 And but yeah, I don't think in that movie, I don't think his dad got gamma radiation on him. 02:12:32.960 --> 02:12:33.520 It was something else. 02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:35.199 They used his blood, right? 02:12:35.600 --> 02:12:36.319 I don't remember. 02:12:36.800 --> 02:12:37.520 It's been a long time. 02:12:37.920 --> 02:12:38.720 I'd have to watch it again. 02:12:38.800 --> 02:12:40.960 I know it's something similar to it, but maybe not. 02:12:41.119 --> 02:12:41.359 Yeah. 02:12:41.600 --> 02:12:41.920 Anyway. 02:12:42.159 --> 02:12:57.680 But this this could be his brother's daughter, which would mean that that part of the blood aspect, if if Bruce and his dad had something special going on with their blood and it's in his dad his father's side of the family type thing, that's probably where she came from, too. 02:12:57.920 --> 02:12:59.039 Yeah, I'm okay with it. 02:12:59.199 --> 02:13:01.760 Honestly, it's just convenient and whatever. 02:13:01.920 --> 02:13:04.720 I can it's not something I'm gonna hold into the fire over. 02:13:05.039 --> 02:13:07.279 It just makes people really that's how we're gonna do it, but it's okay. 02:13:07.520 --> 02:13:22.479 I do agree that um what you just said a moment ago is that I didn't realize how much like if I had to think about it, yes, Bruce does have family, that's where I knew in the comics of She-Hulk and all that stuff, but in the MCU, you don't really hear him talk about his family at all. 02:13:22.720 --> 02:13:23.039 At all. 02:13:23.680 --> 02:13:25.279 He's basically a lone guy. 02:13:25.359 --> 02:13:34.800 And I they do, like casually, when they're in the car together, I believe, mention that he doesn't do anything with his family anymore, and she's one of the only people that still talks to him. 02:13:35.199 --> 02:13:38.960 Oh, in this show, but the rest of the MCU, rest of the MCU, there's there's nothing. 02:13:39.119 --> 02:13:39.359 Yeah. 02:13:39.760 --> 02:13:43.760 I'm I'm a little surprised that we have to hear about everyone else's someone. 02:13:43.920 --> 02:13:46.560 I mean, maybe caps you don't hear a lot about either. 02:13:47.039 --> 02:13:47.840 Yeah, that's true. 02:13:48.159 --> 02:13:50.640 Well, he's no idea about his parents if he has a siblings.

02:13:51.039 --> 02:13:51.920 This is mentioned. 02:13:52.319 --> 02:13:52.800 Maybe. 02:13:53.039 --> 02:13:54.079 Maybe in the first one. 02:13:54.159 --> 02:13:55.520 I don't I'm not I don't remember. 02:13:55.920 --> 02:13:56.800 I remember it wrong. 02:13:56.960 --> 02:14:00.800 Did the cat not have did he have a situation where his parents were gone? 02:14:00.960 --> 02:14:03.039 And that's why Bucky was such a big deal to him? 02:14:03.439 --> 02:14:04.319 Not that I'm aware of it. 02:14:04.399 --> 02:14:05.520 I don't feel like that's the thing. 02:14:05.760 --> 02:14:07.039 Guys, comment probably not. 02:14:07.199 --> 02:14:08.000 Yeah, comment down below. 02:14:08.079 --> 02:14:08.880 Let us know what we do. 02:14:09.680 --> 02:14:09.840 Anyway. 02:14:10.159 --> 02:14:11.199 But back to Jen Walters. 02:14:11.359 --> 02:14:11.600 Yeah. 02:14:12.000 --> 02:14:17.920 So, um yeah, this uh so that's that's part of what worked. 02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:19.439 I do like the first episode. 02:14:19.680 --> 02:14:22.800 Um Let's see. 02:14:23.039 --> 02:14:34.560 I I like the idea that her new law firm is uh they're they're doing the comic accurate thing where they're making her be She-Hulk all the time. 02:14:34.720 --> 02:14:45.039 But I can imagine how crazy hard that was when they pitched that and they're like, we're really gonna do the comic accurate thing and make her She-Hulk, and everyone behind the scenes is like, the visual effects is gonna be a nightmare. 02:14:45.199 --> 02:14:46.079 You know what I mean? 02:14:46.319 --> 02:14:47.680 Because it's a Hulk. 02:14:47.840 --> 02:14:49.680 You can't just paint her green like Gamora. 02:14:50.000 --> 02:14:53.680 She's she's a Hulk, she's gotta be bigger, taller, it's gotta have muscles, gotta have a. 02:14:53.840 --> 02:14:56.479 I'm actually surprised she's not even bigger than like to me. 02:14:56.560 --> 02:14:58.399 It's like she's kind of got the short end of the stick, right? 02:14:58.479 --> 02:15:00.000 Like she got a Hulk, but she grew. 02:15:00.319 --> 02:15:00.800 I'm six foot. 02:15:00.960 --> 02:15:02.000 She got she got TV Hulk. 02:15:02.239 --> 02:15:03.039 She's like tall as me. 02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:03.520 You know what I mean? 02:15:03.600 --> 02:15:04.319 I'm like, wait a minute. 02:15:04.479 --> 02:15:06.960 Like when Bruce turns into the Hulk, it's like, what the hell? 02:15:07.119 --> 02:15:09.439 Like she turns into a Hulk, it's like, oh, you're just a little bigger in green. 02:15:09.600 --> 02:15:14.079 What's nice is Tatiana, I don't know her height, but she she is a smaller statured girl. 02:15:14.319 --> 02:15:15.920 It's also Mark, though. 02:15:16.319 --> 02:15:18.720 Yeah, but yeah, they make him huge. 02:15:18.960 --> 02:15:19.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:15:19.760 --> 02:15:21.840 But they would never be able to do that in the TV show for him. 02:15:21.920 --> 02:15:24.399 That's why the smart hulk still worked out for him in this one. 02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:24.960 This aspect. 02:15:25.439 --> 02:15:26.159 That's so true, yeah. 02:15:26.319 --> 02:15:29.439 If they had Rage Hulk, he would not be able to be Hulk in this show. 02:15:29.680 --> 02:15:32.079 For the budget, I think they accomplished what they needed to. 02:15:32.159 --> 02:15:32.399 Yeah. 02:15:32.560 --> 02:15:33.039 With her look. 02:15:33.279 --> 02:15:34.399 And I don't have a lot to say. 02:15:34.720 --> 02:15:39.039 I will give them credit, and we'll get to that when we get to our deep dives of the CGI and all that stuff. 02:15:39.279 --> 02:15:42.560 They did this here that they didn't do to Emma Frost in first class. 02:15:42.640 --> 02:15:44.000 They made her hair move. 02:15:44.239 --> 02:15:45.520 Yeah, yeah, good point. 02:15:45.760 --> 02:15:46.640 They did a good job. 02:15:46.720 --> 02:15:49.600 We're like, let's make sure the silk serum is in her hair. 02:15:49.840 --> 02:15:50.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:15:50.560 --> 02:15:50.960 Good point. 02:15:51.039 --> 02:15:52.399 Yeah, good job. 02:15:52.479 --> 02:16:02.479 Because yeah, I tell you, women, when you have to doll them up in CGI type thing and do that stuff, they need a little extra help with the hair department because they have nice hair. 02:16:02.640 --> 02:16:03.840 So make it move. 02:16:04.079 --> 02:16:08.399 Anyways, um, so that that worked there. 02:16:08.880 --> 02:16:14.239 The third episode is the one where I'm like, mmm, it started really going downhill more. 02:16:14.319 --> 02:16:16.399 Well, actually, what was in the second episode? 02:16:16.560 --> 02:16:18.079 I'm refreshing my brain. 02:16:19.600 --> 02:16:19.920 Okay. 02:16:21.199 --> 02:16:22.800 Second episode was not too bad. 02:16:22.960 --> 02:16:27.760 The third episode, when it gets to the light elf lady, I was not into that. 02:16:28.800 --> 02:16:30.239 I didn't I didn't like it. 02:16:30.960 --> 02:16:35.440 This is another example for me why I don't like Asgard on Earth. 02:16:36.399 --> 02:16:40.239 This light elf is apparently from New Asgard. 02:16:41.280 --> 02:16:43.840 Let me read it from here so I make sure I get it right. 02:16:44.000 --> 02:16:51.280 Uh a shape-shifting light elf from New Asgard who defrauded this guy by impersonating Megan the Stallion. 02:16:52.159 --> 02:16:54.479 I'm like, who who came up with this? 02:16:55.120 --> 02:17:00.799 Yeah, it was I don't think we should put the blame on the fact that Asgard is on Earth. 02:17:00.959 --> 02:17:02.239 I get what you're saying. 02:17:02.639 --> 02:17:03.680 It makes it complicated. 02:17:03.760 --> 02:17:06.399 It's just you can handle this better, right? 02:17:06.959 --> 02:17:17.520 This is the pro this is a this is part of a bigger problem that the show has, is they didn't really put a lot of thought and care behind the law drama part of it. 02:17:17.920 --> 02:17:23.840 So we get these really weird, crappy stories that don't make sense and they're just like fast and quick. 02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:32.799

And like I want to just I don't want to go too far on what I don't like yet, you know, but like that's I see where you're coming from and I see why you feel that way. 02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:40.639 Um but I blame it on the fact that they just they really didn't know how to do the courtroom drama part of it. 02:17:40.959 --> 02:17:41.760 Yeah, I agree. 02:17:41.920 --> 02:17:45.040 That's why we get so less of it in the so little, it's awful. 02:17:45.120 --> 02:17:48.079 Oh, and that's like when you get it, you're like, oh, I want to see more of that. 02:17:48.159 --> 02:17:52.559 Like I'm expecting like good wife level stuff, you know, where it's like it's really intense. 02:17:54.399 --> 02:17:56.000 Where it's serious when it's serious, yep. 02:17:56.239 --> 02:17:59.600 Talking about real things, you know, and then it's just not at all. 02:18:00.239 --> 02:18:02.719 And it's kind of like, whoa, why not? 02:18:02.879 --> 02:18:03.200 You know? 02:18:04.079 --> 02:18:05.680 Yeah, why not lean into that more? 02:18:05.920 --> 02:18:07.440 I want that's what yeah, yeah. 02:18:07.600 --> 02:18:14.079 I I mean, this is it's a great concept, a superhuman law division headed by a superhero-esque figure. 02:18:14.239 --> 02:18:24.159 Like Yeah, and with the richness of the MCU and all the side characters and the things going on, you can't just tie the sucker in wherever you want of characters we're never gonna see again in the movies just for fun. 02:18:24.639 --> 02:18:29.760 Like the shows, even if they're not gonna go into the movies, they could take whatever out of the movies they want. 02:18:29.840 --> 02:18:31.440 So why not have fun with that? 02:18:32.079 --> 02:18:36.719 You know, you could have had guys from Toom's group from like Spider-Man, right? 02:18:36.959 --> 02:18:39.280 You could have people all coming up on for parole, right? 02:18:39.360 --> 02:18:48.799 Yeah, there could be so many things you could do that they just they come up with brand new ones that are dumb with no actual story there. 02:18:49.040 --> 02:19:04.159 Yeah, well, they they pick some really obscured characters, almost like if we throw these guys in and they're more joke characters, it will make she her She-Hulk look less of a joke character because she'll be the more serious acting one. 02:19:04.239 --> 02:19:07.200 But they really didn't need to do that to make her more serious. 02:19:07.440 --> 02:19:09.040 I think the opposite would have worked. 02:19:09.520 --> 02:19:18.799 More and more compelling characters that are on trial and stuff takes away from that green, ridiculous that she is and makes her have to be serious. 02:19:18.879 --> 02:19:19.200 Yep. 02:19:19.360 --> 02:19:23.920 Which then the funny is her life outside of it because of how crazy it is. 02:19:24.159 --> 02:19:24.559 Right? 02:19:24.799 --> 02:19:25.120 Right. 02:19:25.280 --> 02:19:29.200 So uh so I mean part of what can I go, can I say what here really quick? 02:19:29.440 --> 02:19:29.680

Yes, yes. 02:19:29.840 --> 02:19:30.799 Uh, just a couple things. 02:19:30.879 --> 02:19:31.760 You said most of it. 02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:36.319 Um the chemistry between Mark and her are great, very believable they're related. 02:19:36.479 --> 02:19:40.079 I actually enjoy watching, it's too bad they didn't interact a lot more on the show. 02:19:40.719 --> 02:19:48.239 Um, I think the fourth wall breaking right away was actually good and it works. 02:19:48.319 --> 02:19:50.239 And I think she does a great job at it. 02:19:50.559 --> 02:20:01.920 I think how to break the fourth wall, they should have like called Ryan Reynolds and got some advice from because Ryan has that down to an art with Deadpool. 02:20:02.239 --> 02:20:06.159 And I don't want to say the stuff they did was what was wrong. 02:20:06.399 --> 02:20:13.040 I think it's the choice in when and how they did it, is where the fourth wall breaking in this show fails for me. 02:20:13.200 --> 02:20:19.440 When Ryan seemed to like know just when it worked every time almost, right? 02:20:19.600 --> 02:20:26.079 I can't think of a time Ryan's done breaking the fourth wall in the Deadpool stuff that made me go, that shouldn't have been like that. 02:20:26.319 --> 02:20:32.799 Even the most ridiculous one in Deadpool Overing, where he literally grabs the camera and says, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to Marvel, you know what I mean? 02:20:32.879 --> 02:20:33.840 Or I'm going to Disney. 02:20:33.920 --> 02:20:34.639 Goodbye, you know. 02:20:34.719 --> 02:20:35.920 And he smashes it with his head. 02:20:36.000 --> 02:20:40.639 It's like that, that's like really, that's almost as far as he's gone for fourth wall breaking. 02:20:40.799 --> 02:20:44.159 And it still was like, oh, but that moment was fine for it, right? 02:20:44.239 --> 02:20:48.639 So for some reason, this show stumbles that in that more often for me. 02:20:48.799 --> 02:20:56.239 It's like, oh, that fourth wall felt way too obvious and too in the moment when like it could have been a little more subtle. 02:20:56.399 --> 02:20:59.760 But the first one really was good as oh, cool, we're in for a ride here. 02:20:59.920 --> 02:21:00.319 Yeah. 02:21:00.559 --> 02:21:05.360 Um, the training montage with Hulk, I think, is all real cool. 02:21:05.520 --> 02:21:08.879 I do have a beef with some of that though, but that's I'm gonna say that when we get there. 02:21:09.040 --> 02:21:09.360 Okay. 02:21:09.600 --> 02:21:15.920 Um, I do like that she has her dilemma is basically look, I'm not like Bruce. 02:21:16.000 --> 02:21:19.680 I have a life, a job, friends, things I want to do. 02:21:20.079 --> 02:21:24.799 Young, good-looking girl, wants to date, and now here I am a freaking Hulk, right? 02:21:24.879 --> 02:21:25.040 Mm-hmm. 02:21:25.200 --> 02:21:26.000 Like, what the F. 02:21:26.079 --> 02:21:26.559 You know what I mean? 02:21:26.639 --> 02:21:27.280 So I get it. 02:21:27.440 --> 02:21:36.239 And I like that concept because it it's like almost a fish out of water or a, you know, just like a like you have to deal with something that's gonna be very hard to deal with. 02:21:36.319 --> 02:21:37.520 It could make some real funny moments. 02:21:37.600 --> 02:21:40.000 And it kind of does for the most part, right? 02:21:40.479 --> 02:21:50.079 Um I think it's cool that I do like that they're forcing her to forcing her, foicing, they're foicing, they're forcing her to become She-Hulk in court. 02:21:50.159 --> 02:21:53.440 I think that's a really cool concept because it's like you have chas to face it. 02:21:53.920 --> 02:21:59.280 And I think that's interesting because it really separates the difference between her life outside of work and life at work. 02:21:59.920 --> 02:22:01.680 You know, I I enjoy that a lot. 02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:08.959 But other than that, you know, there's I have some more issues with the show than I do not at this point. 02:22:09.200 --> 02:22:11.360 So we can go into some of what doesn't work. 02:22:11.440 --> 02:22:14.000 So, Sammy, why don't you kick off what doesn't work for you? 02:22:14.079 --> 02:22:17.200 And we'll I'll just kind of jump in if I agree with you and add to it. 02:22:17.360 --> 02:22:17.520 Sure. 02:22:17.680 --> 02:22:19.360 And if we cover each other's, that's great. 02:22:19.440 --> 02:22:22.719 If not, then I'll throw in what you ever didn't get for me. 02:22:23.040 --> 02:22:23.360 Okay. 02:22:23.680 --> 02:22:30.319 So um, first thing I'm gonna jump into um it's in the first episode. 02:22:30.559 --> 02:22:38.159 It's uh for me, I didn't have I I am curious, and I may have you jump into this if we're going like chronologically for the episode itself. 02:22:38.479 --> 02:22:42.719 Because I the biggest problem I have with the first episode is at the end. 02:22:42.879 --> 02:22:47.200 So, what's the the gripe you have about the training montage thing or during that? 02:22:47.440 --> 02:22:52.079 Yeah, my issue with the show that I don't like, and I think the show could have done better with this. 02:22:52.319 --> 02:22:57.360 Um, and it actually you touched on it in the uh in the history thing. 02:22:57.680 --> 02:23:04.799 I don't like that she's just able to control it when she's Hulk right off the bat. 02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:08.879 I'm not a fan of the message that's put across over why she can. 02:23:09.200 --> 02:23:15.840 I think that that's an old message that's not a real problem that they make up in Hollywood for us to pay attention to. 02:23:16.079 --> 02:23:31.520 And that might ever that may get me canceled, but I'm sorry guys, I don't think the excuse of because I'm a woman and there's like generational sexism is the reason why you can control a rage monster inside your body. 02:23:31.840 --> 02:23:41.120 No, no, not in a world where we're letting people get away with murder in court over a rage monster inside their body, right? 02:23:41.360 --> 02:23:44.399 I'm not a fan of that message, and that's kind of

what that message was. 02:23:44.559 --> 02:23:46.719 Because it makes so what are you saying about Bruce and what's that mean? 02:23:46.799 --> 02:23:48.879 Bruce is just some rage-filled piece of crap. 02:23:49.200 --> 02:23:50.719 Technically kind of was, says it was kind of fun. 02:23:50.799 --> 02:23:52.399 I think Eric Banner played that better. 02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:54.479 But anyway, that's beside the point. 02:23:54.639 --> 02:24:00.559 Um, I just wish that I kind of wouldn't have minded the opening of the show that she's already She-Hulk. 02:24:00.959 --> 02:24:08.399 And by the end of the first episode, you realize that she lost her job because she had to quit. 02:24:08.959 --> 02:24:19.120 And it was Bruce wrote a letter and her resigning because he was helping her through the rage process before she could start controlling it. 02:24:19.760 --> 02:24:29.680 I think that to me would have been a lot more emotional and had some care into the seriousness of what she's become. 02:24:30.000 --> 02:24:36.319 Because one thing I will say is it's awfully silly right from the start, and I'm okay with that kind of. 02:24:36.559 --> 02:24:54.319 But it's like there's a consequence to being Hulk that I think should be a theme when it comes down to Hulk-related things, and that is until you can control it, if you ever can control it, really in a way, um, it's dangerous and it's scary, and it's something that the point is is you can't control it. 02:24:54.559 --> 02:25:04.959 But the fact that she only gets fired because she turns into it because there's that literally a villain attacking them to me is really kind of corny and stupid. 02:25:05.200 --> 02:25:08.319 I'm not a fan of or you're fired because you saved people. 02:25:08.479 --> 02:25:09.840 That's kind of dumb. 02:25:10.079 --> 02:25:13.040 Um, I'd have rather been like she had to give up her life. 02:25:13.360 --> 02:25:15.680 Bruce helped her with the controlling it. 02:25:15.840 --> 02:25:23.440 And then it'd been, it would have been okay to be like maybe it's because you're a woman that you're able to find the self-control faster than Bruce. 02:25:23.920 --> 02:25:26.479 To me, the message makes more sense at that point. 02:25:26.719 --> 02:25:32.159 Because I do think mostly women do have better self-control than men for the most part, naturally. 02:25:32.319 --> 02:25:34.159 I do what I think it's a nurture thing. 02:25:34.479 --> 02:25:39.200 They're more emotional creatures, so therefore they're constantly more in touch with it, regulating it. 02:25:39.360 --> 02:25:41.600 So it that make that would make more sense. 02:25:41.840 --> 02:25:49.040 And you have someone that's done it, so he's helping her through it, so he knows what he uh she has to go through or do to get that kind of control. 02:25:49.440 --> 02:25:51.840 Um, to me, that would have felt more realistic. 02:25:52.079 --> 02:25:55.680 This was just like a stupid Hollywood message strammed down my throat. 02:25:55.920

--> 02:26:01.200 And it doesn't ruin the show, but it definitely makes me understand the kind of thing I'm watching. 02:26:01.840 --> 02:26:11.200 So the only thing I would say to that is it is comic accurate that she can easily transform in an alpha Hulk and maintain control of it. 02:26:11.360 --> 02:26:34.159 But I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, guys, in the comics, in the comments about the comics, um, is that because of her the way she became She-Hulk compared to how Bruce became Hulk, he it created a dual personality in him, and he is a lot more potent and more powerful than she is. 02:26:34.399 --> 02:26:44.239 So she turns into a Hulk and she can do like Hulk level things to a degree, but pitting her against the Hulk, she would not win. 02:26:44.399 --> 02:26:44.719 Yeah. 02:26:45.200 --> 02:26:51.360 And uh the only reason in this show she even stands a chance is it's not the Hulk Hulk. 02:26:51.440 --> 02:26:52.639 This is smart Hulk. 02:26:52.719 --> 02:26:57.520 This is basically Hulk made himself into what she Hulk really is at this point. 02:26:57.920 --> 02:27:04.000 It's if we got the Hulk after Brand New Day or in Age of Ultron against her, okay. 02:27:04.079 --> 02:27:06.079 Well it's a different story. 02:27:06.319 --> 02:27:09.760 She might be able to defend herself, but she was not winning that battle. 02:27:10.079 --> 02:27:12.000 You know, and and like I said, I'm okay with it. 02:27:12.079 --> 02:27:26.319 It just seems like what's the earned like the only real problem is then is that she doesn't like that she's a Hulk and now she's gonna be judged for being a Hulk. 02:27:26.879 --> 02:27:33.200 And in the time that we are in the MCU, I just don't see that being a realistic issue at that point. 02:27:33.440 --> 02:27:46.399 Well, I think what they should have done, and and to address what you're concerned with there, they really should have brought it home to us as the viewers and remind us what the world does think of the Hulk. 02:27:46.879 --> 02:27:53.440 Because now we're gonna be getting it through her eyes as someone who she's friends of Bruce because she knows Bruce. 02:27:53.520 --> 02:27:56.879 She grew up with Bruce, they had family dinners together, they talked about all that stuff. 02:27:57.040 --> 02:27:59.200 So she knows Bruce is not a bad guy. 02:27:59.440 --> 02:28:09.040 But the world perception of the Hulk, just like what he said in the first episode, you turn you get mean and green, then they will start looking at you differently. 02:28:09.120 --> 02:28:16.159 And we never got to see in this show until one episode where we they did a nod to it, and I'm glad that they did it. 02:28:16.319 --> 02:28:26.079 But to really hone it in for the gravity of her actually being a Hulk, and everyone's very nonchalant about her being a Hulk, which he's terrifying. 02:28:26.399 --> 02:28:34.879 Like all the cities he destroyed, New York, uh Sokovia, not Sokovia, the other place in Age of Ultron, all that stuff.

02:28:35.120 --> 02:28:39.200 That's he they called him world-ending events, basically. 02:28:39.360 --> 02:28:41.040 They were afraid to see him. 02:28:41.280 --> 02:28:53.840 So to find out there's a female version of that out there, I would feel like there should be more urgency for the news or for all this stuff to say highlight the bad stuff of Hulk because now you got another one out there. 02:28:53.920 --> 02:28:54.399 You know what I mean? 02:28:54.799 --> 02:28:55.440 You know what's funny? 02:28:55.520 --> 02:28:57.360 I actually I agree with you. 02:28:57.520 --> 02:29:01.600 Um, but I actually gonna blame that on the MCU in a whole. 02:29:01.840 --> 02:29:12.959 I don't think they ever really do justice on showing that aspect of why everyone's of what you should think of him as the gravity of a normal person seeing the Hulk. 02:29:13.120 --> 02:29:18.319 Because even when you look at Spider-Man Brand New Day, it's like he's still a teacher and he's still and everyone's just like, oh, whatever. 02:29:18.479 --> 02:29:18.959 You know what I mean? 02:29:19.040 --> 02:29:22.399 And it's like after Endgame, he's a hero at that point, right? 02:29:22.479 --> 02:29:27.760 I mean, technically, everybody knows that he's the one that snapped everybody back into existence. 02:29:28.079 --> 02:29:32.319 So why would people be afraid of the Hulk at this point? 02:29:32.479 --> 02:29:46.799 What would be her issue, other than the fact that when you first become a Hulk, you can't control yourself, and that is something that they have failed through the MCU to really we see the destruction, we hear the afterwards of it when we get those the Socobia chords and Hulk's part of that. 02:29:47.040 --> 02:29:53.120 But I often wonder if maybe the MCU should have handled Hulk a little more drastically in that sense. 02:29:53.440 --> 02:30:01.600 Like, let's really be certain about what we do with the Hulk because when he is the Hulk, it needs to be a big deal, and sometimes it's just not. 02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:15.920 And then for a character like this, to your to your point there, if they did that, we can now see it through her eyes of I'm now this thing that some people call hero, other people call life-threatening, terrifying. 02:30:16.000 --> 02:30:16.639 You know what I mean? 02:30:16.799 --> 02:30:19.760 Like so the gravity wasn't there for that. 02:30:20.319 --> 02:30:24.159 They definitely leaned into more of the comedy aspect of things, which isn't bad. 02:30:24.319 --> 02:30:33.360 But Marvel has always been great at balancing both, being able to do something very, very funny, but at the same time, when it got serious, holy smokes, it got serious, you know? 02:30:33.520 --> 02:30:35.200 Yeah, it's just because of how easy it was, though. 02:30:35.280 --> 02:30:36.719 I just feel like her struggle's not earned. 02:30:37.280 --> 02:30:37.680 Yeah. 02:30:37.840 --> 02:30:38.319 That's all. 02:30:38.399 --> 02:30:40.479 That's that's part of my issue

with the beginning here. 02:30:40.719 --> 02:30:47.840 Okay, so what doesn't work for me in the end of the first episode is the titania suddenly showing up without explanation. 02:30:48.000 --> 02:30:48.719 Yeah, it's just random. 02:30:48.799 --> 02:30:49.120 I don't know. 02:30:49.360 --> 02:30:53.440 It's very random, charging into the courtroom and then forcing Jen to transform. 02:30:53.680 --> 02:30:58.319 I feel like they could have done something different to show her becoming the Hulk. 02:30:58.399 --> 02:30:59.440 You know what I mean? 02:30:59.680 --> 02:31:12.559 I feel like they could have done something where maybe they're like walking out of the courtroom and something's falling because of a bad guy or whatever, and she saves them holding it up and turns into a Hulk for a self-defense like that. 02:31:12.639 --> 02:31:17.760 And then that's where the big public reveal of, oh my gosh, the DA has a Hulk. 02:31:18.079 --> 02:31:19.600 You know what they could have done? 02:31:19.680 --> 02:31:21.920 I like how you said that, just had an epiphany. 02:31:22.000 --> 02:31:23.520 Why didn't they do this this way? 02:31:23.680 --> 02:31:31.360 Why didn't when she when she comes out is oh, this is where I've been, because I'm a Hulk too, and I've been dealing with how to control it, but I'm cool, Hulk. 02:31:31.440 --> 02:31:34.079 Now I'm shaking my butt, whatever, you know, doing her thing. 02:31:34.319 --> 02:31:36.479 Why not make her a celebrity? 02:31:37.120 --> 02:31:43.280 And you could have had Titania's purpose of doing what she did was to try to get her to lose control, and she doesn't. 02:31:43.920 --> 02:31:44.159 Right? 02:31:44.319 --> 02:31:51.360 And then then that would show the struggle of being Jennifer when she's not the Hulk and when she is the Hulk. 02:31:51.440 --> 02:31:54.639 It's not that it's not that she's afraid of Hulk and what people are looking at her like. 02:31:54.719 --> 02:31:56.879 It's like when she's a Hulk, she's this celebrity. 02:31:57.040 --> 02:31:59.120 And when she's just Jennifer, she's just Jennifer. 02:31:59.680 --> 02:32:02.799 You could have the it could have the same kind of reaction. 02:32:03.120 --> 02:32:04.639 Just now you have a reason. 02:32:05.040 --> 02:32:06.639 I think that would have made more sense to me. 02:32:06.879 --> 02:32:07.200 Yeah. 02:32:07.600 --> 02:32:08.319 I can see that. 02:32:08.399 --> 02:32:10.159 Yeah, so so there's that. 02:32:10.399 --> 02:32:14.559 Um I'm also I would say, well, doesn't work for me in the first three episodes, especially. 02:32:14.719 --> 02:32:17.360 I'm not fond of the side characters too often. 02:32:17.840 --> 02:32:25.280 They're okay, but you could definitely tell they're more sitcomie side characters that aren't they're just there to be there. 02:32:25.360 --> 02:32:26.639 You know, it's later on. 02:32:26.799 --> 02:32:27.600 I would say this. 02:32:27.760 --> 02:32:28.879 I would say this. 02:32:29.760 --> 02:32:43.600 Um they're

not good in the first couple episodes, but they do get better towards the middle and the end of the show where they're actually serving an underlying mission that actually helps Jen later on. 02:32:44.000 --> 02:32:45.840 We'll get to that later on later. 02:32:46.000 --> 02:32:58.799 But in the in the beginning, they're kind of irrelevant, and then they start deciding, you know what, let's use them for finding clothing or for um figuring out who's on this message board, you know, things like that. 02:32:59.040 --> 02:33:00.799 But in the beginning, I don't like them. 02:33:01.200 --> 02:33:02.000 I don't like Pug. 02:33:02.639 --> 02:33:06.319 Yeah, they took the yeah, I needed time for them to grow on me. 02:33:06.479 --> 02:33:06.639 Yeah. 02:33:06.799 --> 02:33:14.639 And there there's moments later on where I'm like, okay, I'm better with them, but off the bat, though, it's a very bad first impression of how I felt about these characters. 02:33:14.719 --> 02:33:15.760 Yeah, I agree. 02:33:16.079 --> 02:33:16.399 Right. 02:33:16.799 --> 02:33:18.879 That's very similar to what I have written down here. 02:33:19.120 --> 02:33:26.000 Other than that, my standout moment I will say probably is um the training montage between her and Hulk. 02:33:27.280 --> 02:33:32.000 Maybe in these first three episodes, I think that's my or you know what? 02:33:33.200 --> 02:33:35.840 I like the stuff of her and Emile Blonsky. 02:33:37.040 --> 02:33:37.520 Yeah. 02:33:40.559 --> 02:33:47.840 I think that that's interesting that she, the cousin of the Hulk, is willing to take on this case. 02:33:51.040 --> 02:33:51.600 I don't know. 02:33:51.840 --> 02:33:54.000 I part of me doesn't know how I feel about it. 02:33:54.319 --> 02:33:58.959 I like the concept, but I don't know if they execute it the way they should have, you know what I mean? 02:33:59.520 --> 02:33:59.760 Yeah. 02:34:00.479 --> 02:34:04.000 Um that's tough. 02:34:04.159 --> 02:34:12.399 It's I feel like it was almost too convenience-y, but it they could have done it in uh I don't know. 02:34:12.719 --> 02:34:15.120 Like I said, if this wasn't a struggle, right? 02:34:15.280 --> 02:34:29.760 If she just wasn't struggling with this Hulk side of it and doing what she's doing, I feel like it'd make more sense if the Blonsky came into play with like a little bit of a time jump and she's been a successful attorney as she Hulk. 02:34:29.920 --> 02:34:36.639 And then this is like the first time she's gotta take on something that it's a big thing because of what Abomination is. 02:34:36.799 --> 02:34:39.920 And number two, it's more personal than any of the other ones. 02:34:40.399 --> 02:35:00.879 And then you could have had your dramatic, real kind of like a through line of um theme in this, which could also kind of play in that concept of are villains in the MCU always gonna be villains, or is there actually room for um forgiveness and change in them as well? 02:35:01.120 --> 02:35:03.520 And still have the silliness in it, right? 02:35:04.000 --> 02:35:05.600 But they just it's so blunt. 02:35:05.680 --> 02:35:07.440 It's just so boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. 02:35:07.600 --> 02:35:09.120 Matter of fact, this is what it is. 02:35:09.280 --> 02:35:11.200 And it's like that's just oh, it's just not. 02:35:11.360 --> 02:35:12.000 I don't know. 02:35:12.479 --> 02:35:17.760 Some of the issue with a lot of the show, you can hear me say this many times, some of it just doesn't feel earned. 02:35:18.159 --> 02:35:31.920 Well, and I don't personally for me, I don't like that abomination can so easily, just like Jen, go back and forth from being abomination to Right, but at least there's an argument to be had that he's been working on it. 02:35:32.159 --> 02:35:32.479 Right? 02:35:32.719 --> 02:35:34.879 He's kind of become more at peace with himself. 02:35:35.040 --> 02:35:44.399 Because we gotta remember, this is also some bull crap that we have to accept that that Wong has been taking him somewhere to get all that aggression out so he can work on that kind of stuff. 02:35:44.639 --> 02:35:50.079 Uh at least there's a through line that whether we whether we buy it or not, at least they attempt to do something. 02:35:50.559 --> 02:35:56.239 I'm glad you brought that up because that was our biggest one of the gripes that we had back and forth in the Shang-Chi retrospective. 02:35:56.319 --> 02:36:03.200 Yeah, I didn't mind the scene, but in retrospective for him, he didn't like it because it felt like why is it there? 02:36:03.600 --> 02:36:11.600 And it this show now explains why he's there, and he literally says as I'm watching it, I'm thinking back to our retrospect. 02:36:11.760 --> 02:36:15.440 I'm like, oh gosh, Ike is 100% right about that thing. 02:36:15.600 --> 02:36:17.120 That that is stupid. 02:36:17.280 --> 02:36:17.920 It's dumb. 02:36:18.079 --> 02:36:28.239 He I the who thought of saying that in order to be sorcerer supreme, you have to fight the biggest, toughest, worthiest opponent type thing. 02:36:28.479 --> 02:36:37.120 No, Doctor Strange never had to, the ancient one never had to, but for Wong, maybe it's a librarian clause or something that, oh, you're a librarian, you must do this now, too. 02:36:37.280 --> 02:36:37.760 I don't know. 02:36:37.840 --> 02:36:38.639 Like, prove your worth. 02:36:38.879 --> 02:36:42.959 I just think they should have leaned into the joke of it that he likes that he just likes to go fight. 02:36:43.120 --> 02:36:43.440 Yeah. 02:36:43.680 --> 02:36:45.360 That he's like he's like making money. 02:36:45.520 --> 02:36:48.239 Like he's just like I think that would that would have been much better. 02:36:48.479 --> 02:36:54.239 It made more sense to the humor of Wong than tying it to the sorcerer supreme bull crap. 02:36:54.479 --> 02:36:56.319 Yeah, so that definitely didn't work for me too. 02:36:56.639 --> 02:36:57.600 Yeah, I agree. 02:36:57.920 --> 02:37:00.799 Um, yeah, so do you have any standout

moments? 02:37:01.200 --> 02:37:06.959 I will say I do like the moment that Belonski proves to them that he can transform back. 02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:10.079 And first of all, because it's shocking to see it. 02:37:10.159 --> 02:37:13.120 And second of all, I like the new look of abomination. 02:37:13.200 --> 02:37:15.760 I think it's more fitting than the old one. 02:37:16.079 --> 02:37:22.399 And third of all, I I'm not against this fact that he has come to peace of doing and being able to do it. 02:37:23.040 --> 02:37:25.440 I don't have a problem with that part of it, truthfully. 02:37:25.840 --> 02:37:30.000 Um, it's just as long as there's some sort of attempt to make a reason for it, right? 02:37:30.319 --> 02:37:39.120 So for him, there is more of a reason for him than it is for Jen, because the Emile himself is a bad guy. 02:37:39.440 --> 02:37:41.520 Abomination is a bad guy. 02:37:41.760 --> 02:37:46.799 So being able to be one with each other like that makes sense. 02:37:47.040 --> 02:37:56.079 Hulk and Bruce Banner makes sense why they're at odds, because Hulk is different than Bruce, and they need one another to tamper each other down. 02:37:56.559 --> 02:37:58.559 She-Hulk doesn't even like this. 02:37:58.639 --> 02:38:00.239 She's Jen and back and forth. 02:38:00.319 --> 02:38:06.879 But then again, She-Hulk, like Abomination, is not like the Hulk, where it's a dual personality thing. 02:38:07.280 --> 02:38:10.479 See, I always took, you know, what's interesting. 02:38:10.799 --> 02:38:13.360 It's hard to figure out the psychology of all them. 02:38:13.440 --> 02:38:14.000 You know what I mean? 02:38:14.159 --> 02:38:15.600 Well, I think that's just it. 02:38:15.760 --> 02:38:16.959 I'm maybe I'm wrong. 02:38:17.120 --> 02:38:19.200 Help us out in the comments, guys, and maybe you can help me. 02:38:19.280 --> 02:38:20.639 You know the comics better. 02:38:20.879 --> 02:38:30.079 But even from the old TV show, and I'm just going off of the reference from Eric Banner's Hulk movie that they did, which I happen to actually enjoy a lot. 02:38:30.399 --> 02:38:47.360 I always assumed that part of the reason why the gamma rays didn't affect him or kill him the way it would, is number one, there is an anomaly in him that causes that, but it also found a place to go. 02:38:47.680 --> 02:38:50.479 And that's kind of how he explains that in that movie. 02:38:50.639 --> 02:38:56.079 And I always took that as he is he is someone that had a dormant dual personality. 02:38:57.200 --> 02:39:06.559 So I've always seen Bruce Banner as someone that has multiple personality disorder, and the gamma rays made one be physical. 02:39:06.879 --> 02:39:07.440 Yeah. 02:39:07.760 --> 02:39:14.879 So like when you look at She-Hulk, she's Jennifer, and she's also Jennifer when she's She-Hulk, right? 02:39:15.200 --> 02:39:17.200 And a male is the same way. 02:39:17.360 --> 02:39:22.879 When he's the guy, he's a jerk, and when he's the big thing, he's the same

guy. 02:39:23.200 --> 02:39:24.399 He's just big now. 02:39:24.639 --> 02:39:27.040 Yeah, because Bruce says, You don't have a little guy inside you. 02:39:27.200 --> 02:39:28.000 You're like, no. 02:39:28.719 --> 02:39:29.120 He doesn't. 02:39:29.440 --> 02:39:29.600 Right. 02:39:30.000 --> 02:39:30.639 He did. 02:39:31.120 --> 02:39:31.680 Exactly. 02:39:31.840 --> 02:39:38.479 So it I've always assumed part of Bruce's problem is he's always had a multiple personality. 02:39:38.719 --> 02:39:41.360 It just wasn't present until that happened to him. 02:39:42.239 --> 02:39:47.920 And I just wish they'd lean on that more because that would make these feelings, these situations make more sense. 02:39:48.079 --> 02:39:48.399 Yeah. 02:39:48.799 --> 02:39:57.360 You know, because then it would make more sense to me that she can control it faster than him, because it's all just her. 02:39:58.399 --> 02:39:59.520 Same with Emile. 02:39:59.840 --> 02:40:00.639 It's all just him. 02:40:00.719 --> 02:40:08.399 So him getting good with himself and deciding not to be a bad guy heals the abomination as well because it's the same thing. 02:40:08.799 --> 02:40:14.879 So she can control going back and forth from She-Hulk to Hulk because it's all just her. 02:40:15.040 --> 02:40:26.479 But in Bruce's case, it's another personality that takes over, which is why that personality is rage-filled and different, which is why he loses his memory during it too. 02:40:27.040 --> 02:40:28.639 Which these guys don't, right? 02:40:29.280 --> 02:40:36.159 So when he explains it, even in Endgame itself, well, I took this guy and I'm argued with the other guy and we combined each other. 02:40:36.399 --> 02:40:39.360 To me, it always felt like a double personality. 02:40:40.399 --> 02:40:42.479 And these feel like they're not. 02:40:42.639 --> 02:40:42.879 Yep. 02:40:43.040 --> 02:40:45.760 So why not double down and explain that and have fun with that? 02:40:45.840 --> 02:40:49.760 Like because to me, it makes that would make it feel like it made more sense. 02:40:49.840 --> 02:40:53.440 Because like you said, the psychology of it gets confusing when they just aren't clear. 02:40:53.600 --> 02:40:53.840 Yep. 02:40:54.000 --> 02:40:55.440 And I always assume that that's what it was. 02:40:55.520 --> 02:40:56.719 So you're right. 02:40:56.879 --> 02:41:04.079 So it makes it if they just accepted it and like really put it into canon, it would have been like, oh, that's not such a bad thing, then I get it. 02:41:04.639 --> 02:41:09.440 So with that said, what's your score for the act one of this show? 02:41:09.760 --> 02:41:14.319 Okay, so retrospective score, I give it a three. 02:41:14.879 --> 02:41:15.200 Okay. 02:41:16.479 --> 02:41:21.360 Because that first episode's great, but the next two are like no, I I agree. 02:41:21.520 --> 02:41:24.959 First episode's great, the next two is like, ooh, we're going downhill a little bit. 02:41:25.360 --> 02:41:28.639 But I th I think also it's because of the personal taste. 02:41:28.879 --> 02:41:30.719 We thought this was gonna be more serious. 02:41:30.799 --> 02:41:35.680 And even though there's comedy, yes, but you know, we didn't know it was gonna be this. 02:41:36.639 --> 02:41:46.079 Yeah, and I'm and honestly, I'm leaving I'm trying to leave my taste out of it because I that's why you hear the things I have a problem with are gonna be more of these technical things like this. 02:41:46.239 --> 02:41:47.840 Because I'm I'm gonna be on it. 02:41:47.920 --> 02:41:51.280 Let's say they still nailed the courtroom aspect of it. 02:41:51.440 --> 02:41:53.200 I still think these things are flaws in it. 02:41:53.280 --> 02:41:53.440 Yeah. 02:41:53.680 --> 02:41:55.760 Other than the courtroom drama part, which is an obvious problem. 02:41:55.840 --> 02:41:59.120 But so I'm gonna list these first three episodes as a five for me. 02:41:59.360 --> 02:41:59.680 Okay. 02:41:59.920 --> 02:42:01.680 So all right. 02:42:01.760 --> 02:42:04.159 Uh, why don't you read the middle act two? 02:42:04.479 --> 02:42:04.879 All right, guys. 02:42:04.959 --> 02:42:18.079 Jennifer Walters and Wong successfully file a cease and desist against Mystic Magician Donnie Blaze after he accidentally unleashes a swarm of demons and a mishap involving audience member Madison, right? 02:42:18.159 --> 02:42:19.120 It is Madison, yeah. 02:42:19.280 --> 02:42:20.079 Madison King. 02:42:20.159 --> 02:42:35.760 Meanwhile, Titania frees herself and launches a trademark infringement lawsuit over the She-Hulk name, which Walters legally combats with help from attorney Melo Molloy Brooke, a paralegal Nikki Ramos, and co-worker Pug. 02:42:36.319 --> 02:42:43.120 This awful name, by utilizing her She-Hulk dating app history as proof of prior identity. 02:42:43.680 --> 02:42:52.239 Walters wins the case and secures customized superhero outfits from executive tailor uh Luke Jacobson. 02:42:52.479 --> 02:43:04.319 Later, while attending her friend's Lulu's wedding as a bridesmaid, Walters binds with Josh Miller and defeats a vengeful titania in a brief brawl. 02:43:06.079 --> 02:43:12.879 Concurrently, book a book and Nikki handle a chaotic divorce case for the death faking Mr. 02:43:13.040 --> 02:43:16.799 Immortal, uncovering a mi oh wow. 02:43:17.440 --> 02:43:20.000 Mizo Giant Giant Misogynist. 02:43:20.319 --> 02:43:21.600 Oh, I'm sorry. 02:43:23.360 --> 02:43:24.399 We don't see it spelled out. 02:43:24.879 --> 02:43:26.799 I've never seen it spelled out, I guess. 02:43:26.879 --> 02:43:28.000 I go back to school. 02:43:28.159 --> 02:43:31.600 Uh misogynist's website called Intelligenica? 02:43:32.000 --> 02:43:32.799 Intelligentsia. 02:43:33.120 --> 02:43:34.239 Intelligentsia. 02:43:35.840 --> 02:43:43.360 Where a username Hulk King hosts death threats against She-Hulk and directs scientists to steal her blood. 02:43:44.479 --> 02:43:44.639 Okay. 02:43:47.120 --> 02:43:57.760 Well so if we're talking about what

worked, um there is let's see. 02:43:58.719 --> 02:43:59.520 What worked. 02:44:01.280 --> 02:44:05.120 Is it of this Okay. 02:44:05.360 --> 02:44:06.559 Alright, we're talking about work. 02:44:06.719 --> 02:44:10.559 There is three episodes in silence. 02:44:10.799 --> 02:44:11.280 Yeah. 02:44:11.600 --> 02:44:15.440 So the first two of these episodes I don't mind too much. 02:44:15.520 --> 02:44:17.520 It's the third one I don't like as much. 02:44:18.479 --> 02:44:25.280 So what I like about the first one is you there's how do I say this properly? 02:44:25.440 --> 02:44:29.360 There is starting to get some courtroom stuff in that first one with the Donnie Blaze thing. 02:44:29.440 --> 02:44:36.399 It's very little, it's very unserious, but there is a little bit of stuff. 02:44:36.639 --> 02:44:41.280 Um I love that she fights those demon things. 02:44:43.600 --> 02:44:45.280 I just you don't? 02:44:45.600 --> 02:44:46.639 It's okay, it's okay. 02:44:46.959 --> 02:44:49.760 So it's not the demon things in that she fights them that's a problem. 02:44:50.000 --> 02:44:52.079 It's that they're so nonchalant about it. 02:44:52.479 --> 02:44:53.600 There's like, oh no big deal. 02:44:53.840 --> 02:44:55.680 Just throw them in some other portal somewhere else. 02:44:55.920 --> 02:45:07.520 It's like, what I do like the concept of someone who okay, well, this is so I I like some of this and I don't like some of this. 02:45:07.760 --> 02:45:24.639 Donnie Blaze was at the Mystic Arts like thing, which the more and more I find out of people that were there, and they were able to easily get in and then get out and do this stuff, the more I'm like, why'd you give Steven such a hard time when he first came there? 02:45:24.799 --> 02:45:25.680 Yeah, you know what I mean? 02:45:25.760 --> 02:45:35.680 Yeah, because this douchebag gets in there, leaves after a couple lessons, and he's able to open a portal to another realm, and he's practicing magic out there. 02:45:35.840 --> 02:45:39.200 One, Baromoto hasn't killed him yet, which we saw in the end of Doctor Strange. 02:45:39.280 --> 02:45:43.360 He's going to find people who aren't supposed to be sorcerers, and that was his goal. 02:45:43.600 --> 02:45:45.120 You didn't find him in Vegas. 02:45:45.520 --> 02:45:45.920 That's all. 02:45:46.079 --> 02:45:46.319 Yeah. 02:45:46.399 --> 02:45:48.559 But like that, you know what? 02:45:48.719 --> 02:45:49.840 That would have been cool. 02:45:50.000 --> 02:45:55.200 Twist in that episode is he's running away and he needs legal protection or something, and she hooks there. 02:45:55.280 --> 02:45:56.000 You know what I mean? 02:45:56.159 --> 02:45:58.399 Like that at least bring a little more. 02:45:58.479 --> 02:45:59.680 Oh, there's a serious tone there. 02:45:59.760 --> 02:46:00.799 This guy's gonna kill him. 02:46:00.879 --> 02:46:02.879 And I need Wong to help me fight him. 02:46:02.959 --> 02:46:06.079 You know, something like that would have been very interesting. 02:46:06.639 --> 02:46:07.280 No, they didn't do that. 02:46:07.360 --> 02:46:09.760 You see, all the Thailands they could do, all this rich stuff they got. 02:46:09.840 --> 02:46:10.799 They didn't touch any of it. 02:46:10.959 --> 02:46:12.799 Like, yeah, that would that would have been really cool. 02:46:12.959 --> 02:46:13.440 That would have been good. 02:46:13.520 --> 02:46:23.840 Yeah, I would have done, you know, for each episode a cameo of someone else in the MCU, and like we talked about in the beginning of this, and see a legal thing aspect of it. 02:46:23.920 --> 02:46:27.600 Yeah, that would have been one side character from those movies show up. 02:46:27.680 --> 02:46:28.079 Mm-hmm. 02:46:28.399 --> 02:46:35.200 You could have had Baron show up in this for a moment and won't be like, listen, I'm gonna fight you because I can't let you just murder this guy. 02:46:35.280 --> 02:46:35.520 Yep. 02:46:35.760 --> 02:46:38.399 He'd be someday when he leaves. 02:46:38.799 --> 02:46:39.360 Okay, whatever. 02:46:39.440 --> 02:46:40.399 You know, yeah, there you go. 02:46:42.879 --> 02:46:44.479 She helps him get in witness protection or something. 02:46:44.559 --> 02:46:45.120 Like, I don't know. 02:46:45.200 --> 02:46:50.959 It's like a I I do like Madison King is hilarious. 02:46:51.120 --> 02:46:52.559 Patty Gudenheim. 02:46:53.360 --> 02:47:01.760 I so I had the privilege of meeting both Patty and Tatiana Muslani at a comic convention a couple years ago, right after Shehawk came out. 02:47:02.000 --> 02:47:03.280 And so I got my pictures of them. 02:47:03.440 --> 02:47:05.760 I got to talk to them, go to their panels and all that stuff. 02:47:05.840 --> 02:47:09.280 They are they're both really nice individuals, these two actors. 02:47:09.680 --> 02:47:11.280 Patty is hilarious. 02:47:11.440 --> 02:47:15.840 She wore this, it's gonna be in the editing, guys, because I I definitely got pictures of her. 02:47:16.000 --> 02:47:24.719 She wore this very big pink, like very Madison looking um coat that is hilarious, and she acted just like her. 02:47:24.879 --> 02:47:26.159 Yeah, like just to do it. 02:47:26.319 --> 02:47:31.760 She would talk around and say, I'm Madison with an I and a Y, but it's not where you think. 02:47:32.000 --> 02:47:35.280 Like she she she played it up and God bless her. 02:47:35.360 --> 02:47:37.520 And I didn't realize she was in Twisted Metal season two. 02:47:37.680 --> 02:47:38.879 She took over for Raven. 02:47:38.959 --> 02:47:39.600 Yep. 02:47:39.840 --> 02:47:42.719 Um really good actress. 02:47:42.959 --> 02:47:45.360 Um, but anyways, I I love that they had her there. 02:47:45.440 --> 02:47:49.120 And and she was definitely a standout character for me in this show. 02:47:49.200 --> 02:47:52.879 Like, she's one of those side characters that would be hilarious to just show up. 02:47:53.120 --> 02:47:54.959 Oh, it should be great in that idea we have, right? 02:47:55.040 --> 02:47:55.200 Yeah.

02:47:55.440 --> 02:47:55.600 Yeah. 02:47:55.680 --> 02:47:55.840 Yep. 02:47:56.079 --> 02:47:56.319 Yeah. 02:47:56.959 --> 02:47:58.559 I love when she talks to Wong. 02:47:58.879 --> 02:47:59.520 Wongers. 02:47:59.920 --> 02:48:02.879 Like it's just they they got her really well. 02:48:03.120 --> 02:48:04.000 That's part of my likes. 02:48:04.239 --> 02:48:09.680 I think their uh unlikely friendship and somewhat romance kind of, right? 02:48:10.079 --> 02:48:12.319 Is like I it actually works real well. 02:48:12.719 --> 02:48:13.760 You know, I think it's real good. 02:48:14.000 --> 02:48:14.399 Yeah. 02:48:14.639 --> 02:48:16.159 I think that'll be really cool. 02:48:16.479 --> 02:48:18.159 Um to see. 02:48:18.639 --> 02:48:23.520 I didn't mind the Bright's Maid um episode too much. 02:48:23.760 --> 02:48:35.520 Because I think they're staring to that was the point where you're realizing there is something else going on behind the scenes, but it's it's a letdown when we get there in the third act. 02:48:35.680 --> 02:48:40.959 But at least they started with a really good, interesting story underneath all this. 02:48:41.200 --> 02:48:41.680 Yeah, I agree. 02:48:41.760 --> 02:48:42.479 I have that down too. 02:48:42.559 --> 02:48:42.879 Yep. 02:48:43.200 --> 02:48:48.319 So my um I would say, what do I let me look at my questionnaire? 02:48:49.440 --> 02:48:52.479 Um I do like that that one. 02:48:52.719 --> 02:48:55.680 Um let's see. 02:48:55.840 --> 02:49:01.440 Oh, oh, and I completely bypass so that that's the part of that episode that I like. 02:49:01.680 --> 02:49:07.120 The other part of the other legal stuff they're doing with the side characters, like I said, I don't care too much about them with the Mr. 02:49:07.280 --> 02:49:08.639 Immortal and all that stuff. 02:49:08.879 --> 02:49:13.440 That was not that was like, okay, that was very d drama-y, you know what I mean? 02:49:13.600 --> 02:49:16.319 Yeah, his I like the thing that is going on there. 02:49:16.399 --> 02:49:21.280 I like the concept, it's just not really taken care of well, I guess. 02:49:21.520 --> 02:49:27.440 Yeah, yeah, but I I do like the the She-Hulk trademark thing. 02:49:27.680 --> 02:49:38.319 I think that yeah, what I like about that, and I could appreciate more so in the rewatch, is it's part of her growing to accept that she's a Hulk. 02:49:38.399 --> 02:49:43.600 Yeah, she didn't like the name that everyone gave her the name She-Hulk, and then it just kind of stuck with her. 02:49:43.680 --> 02:49:47.520 And even them in the show were joking, like, hey, that's a catchy name, you know what I mean? 02:49:47.760 --> 02:49:53.120 And then when you get to a case like that and they they did a little legal jargon here or there. 02:49:53.200 --> 02:49:54.079 I'm like, that's cool. 02:49:54.159 --> 02:50:06.559 They at least see that's one of the things I said earlier, guys, is that there are some concepts in the earlier episodes, even the the badder episodes, that they do have a payoff. 02:50:06.719 --> 02:50:07.120 Yeah. 02:50:07.360 --> 02:50:12.559 So it's that part, they they got sitcom writers really to do this. 02:50:12.639 --> 02:50:17.680 It's just the this workout as a whole is a big thing, a different thing. 02:50:18.000 --> 02:50:20.239 Um, so yeah, I I did like that. 02:50:20.399 --> 02:50:23.360 Um I mean, I I agree with you. 02:50:23.520 --> 02:50:25.360 It works in the context of this show. 02:50:26.159 --> 02:50:40.559 It's just sad that all I could think of when this happened, the trademark thing infringement and all that, was we live in a world now where an MCU movie has our Captain America suing someone for the Avengers name. 02:50:40.799 --> 02:50:43.840 Well, and it just makes me go, that's so dumb. 02:50:44.079 --> 02:50:48.000 So my So I liked this in the show, but it just reminded me of that. 02:50:48.079 --> 02:50:51.200 And unfortunately, it kind of like it left a bad taste in my mouth while I was watching. 02:50:51.440 --> 02:50:53.840 So that was that did that that reminds me of two things. 02:50:54.000 --> 02:50:55.040 I'm glad you said that. 02:50:55.280 --> 02:50:59.520 One, it just it's another reminder that Sam Wilson is not Captain America. 02:50:59.760 --> 02:51:00.000 100%. 02:51:00.399 --> 02:51:03.760 Steve Rogers would not sue someone over the name Avengers. 02:51:03.920 --> 02:51:04.719 He'd just be like, pfft. 02:51:05.120 --> 02:51:07.440 He'd be like, yeah, we'll just be one big happy family. 02:51:07.520 --> 02:51:08.879 That's basically how C would be like. 02:51:08.959 --> 02:51:09.600 You know what I mean? 02:51:09.840 --> 02:51:12.399 Instead, he's petty, and I don't like that. 02:51:12.479 --> 02:51:24.079 And two, Sam doesn't know how to sue for a trademark, which means my theory of Sheehawk being in Doomsday is getting a little higher there because who else are you gonna go to to get a trademark for the Avengers? 02:51:24.319 --> 02:51:25.760 That's the connection in Doomsday. 02:51:25.840 --> 02:51:28.319 We get one scene of her and she's Sam's lawyer trying to. 02:51:28.719 --> 02:51:29.120 Yep. 02:51:29.680 --> 02:51:30.479 Yep, yep. 02:51:30.639 --> 02:51:32.959 And actually, it would make sense compared to the show. 02:51:33.040 --> 02:51:34.959 Now she knows all about trademark law. 02:51:35.200 --> 02:51:40.719 I'll tell you what, I'm okay with that if they do that in that movie for fun and for a laugh. 02:51:41.040 --> 02:51:43.520 If Gene and Storm are in the movie. 02:51:43.680 --> 02:51:46.719 If they're not, I'm gonna be like, I don't want that crap in there then. 02:51:47.200 --> 02:51:59.280 But Tatiana is probably cheaper than Fam Key and no offense, Tati, but well, I mean, you know, it's it's unfortunately the characters kind of dead in the water right now, right? 02:51:59.360 --> 02:52:05.040 Like the Russer brothers are the only ones that can revive really good characters so far that we've seen. 02:52:05.200 --> 02:52:07.200 Maybe she'll

show up in that third secret movie. 02:52:07.440 --> 02:52:08.319 Yeah, there you go. 02:52:08.399 --> 02:52:08.799 There you go. 02:52:08.879 --> 02:52:09.600 It's her movie. 02:52:09.760 --> 02:52:10.319 Yeah. 02:52:10.559 --> 02:52:12.799 Anyways, um, so that's what worked. 02:52:12.959 --> 02:52:14.959 What worked for you then before we go to what they were doing. 02:52:15.120 --> 02:52:19.120 I pretty much had I like the tease for Daredevil when we get to the end of this last one. 02:52:19.360 --> 02:52:22.959 Um, and I do like her dating struggles. 02:52:23.520 --> 02:52:26.479 I think some of those are very this is where the show is best. 02:52:27.040 --> 02:52:29.760 Is you know, this I like the guy that wants her to stay as a halt. 02:52:30.079 --> 02:52:31.840 I mean, there's some funny moments in it, right? 02:52:32.079 --> 02:52:32.879 I think it's pretty good. 02:52:32.959 --> 02:52:34.319 I just don't think there's enough of that. 02:52:34.799 --> 02:52:40.079 I wanted more of that stuff mixed with the drama of the courtroom, and we're just not getting it here. 02:52:40.639 --> 02:52:43.520 The one with the demons is like, okay, that's different. 02:52:43.600 --> 02:52:48.879 It's interesting, it's fun, but it's almost like this is not the show I wanted out of that, though, for some reason, you know? 02:52:49.200 --> 02:52:51.440 So that's all, guys. 02:52:51.520 --> 02:52:53.440 That's all you the rest we've already talked about. 02:52:53.600 --> 02:52:55.360 So what didn't work then for you? 02:52:55.520 --> 02:52:56.959 Oh god, I mean, please. 02:52:57.440 --> 02:53:00.079 The Johnny Blaze stuff is just forgettable in my mind. 02:53:00.319 --> 02:53:09.920 Um, the legal stuff is really getting shallow, and there's not really it's creative and presented in the most uncreative way. 02:53:10.079 --> 02:53:24.719 I don't, it's I cannot fathom how you can have these really fun, creative ideas with these weird characters and show it to us in such the most boring, non like storytelling way that this show could have used. 02:53:25.040 --> 02:53:33.040 Uh I already said to think about the demon stuff, so I can turn the page on that one because I really am not a fan of that demon stuff. 02:53:33.200 --> 02:53:42.399 I I think the fight itself was fun and necessary, but I think just the overall wrapping up of it, the way it goes, I just really think this is so under, it's just like a it's just such a throwaway joke. 02:53:42.479 --> 02:53:43.920 It just bugs me so much. 02:53:44.079 --> 02:53:47.440 Um, I do like the wedding stuff, so we I don't have to get into that as much. 02:53:47.680 --> 02:54:00.799 But as good as a Wong stuff is though, I feel like Wong is kind of doing all the heavy lifting here in this show when he just tends to be that McGuffin all the time. 02:54:01.280 --> 02:54:03.600 And it happens, I think, throughout the entire show. 02:54:03.760 --> 02:54:07.920 And I'm not a fan of that as it starts here and it kind of continues on. 02:54:08.479 --> 02:54:15.520 Um the feud with Titania and all that stuff, it does it did feel like it got kind of old to me. 02:54:15.920 --> 02:54:31.520 You know, it just it does the escalation was strange, and I struggle to keep track of the central conflict of this show because I feel like all the changes it keeps making as it goes feels like it's jumping around and they're not really sticking it. 02:54:31.600 --> 02:54:35.840 Is it about it's tough being a girl, so now it's tough. 02:54:36.000 --> 02:54:46.559 Just imagine being a girl, now it's gotta deal with being green, or is it about superheroes and villains and the dynamic and how we can forgive some and not forgive others? 02:54:46.799 --> 02:54:55.040 Or is it about controlling a rage, or is it about finding romance, or is it about being a good lawyer? 02:54:55.200 --> 02:55:03.280 It's like it doesn't commit to any of them and it needs to find a stream, and then the rest can kind of jump in and out. 02:55:03.520 --> 02:55:14.559 This movie sh this show should have been exactly what it said it was, which was a courtroom drama mixed with a romantic comedy. 02:55:15.360 --> 02:55:20.879 And we just get tiny pieces of one and they completely fail at the other. 02:55:22.159 --> 02:55:25.040 There's only one episode they do the courtroom drama stuff good. 02:55:25.760 --> 02:55:26.639 And that's it. 02:55:27.040 --> 02:55:29.760 The rest is like, why didn't you just do this all the time? 02:55:30.000 --> 02:55:32.559 So that that's my issues with it so far. 02:55:34.159 --> 02:55:34.799 Yeah. 02:55:35.120 --> 02:55:36.000 I can see that. 02:55:36.719 --> 02:55:47.600 I think for you, um and I agree with you about the Titania thing, it kind of gets a little old only because we don't get a payoff of her. 02:55:47.920 --> 02:55:49.760 She's a problem I have with the show. 02:55:49.840 --> 02:55:51.440 I don't mind the character herself. 02:55:51.520 --> 02:55:52.639 I don't even mind the feud. 02:55:52.879 --> 02:55:55.120 The problem is there's no reason for the feud. 02:55:55.360 --> 02:55:55.680 Right. 02:55:55.920 --> 02:55:59.760 And that's that's the if they could do all of this throughout the whole season. 02:56:00.319 --> 02:56:07.120 And at the very last episode, you find out why Titania actually is there and why she has a beef with a She-Hulk in particular. 02:56:07.280 --> 02:56:13.200 Maybe she was hired and created by the intelligentsia to do this stuff, that would make more sense. 02:56:13.760 --> 02:56:18.559 I actually have a darker version of Titania I would have done for this that I'll talk about. 02:56:19.040 --> 02:56:20.159 That's part of like what I said. 02:56:20.239 --> 02:56:21.600 It's they don't commit to anything. 02:56:22.079 --> 02:56:31.040 So some things, even if it gets does get a concluded, and it's not satisfying because they didn't really see through what this means. 02:56:31.120 --> 02:56:35.120 Like there's I'll I struggle to see character

development in this entire movie. 02:56:35.680 --> 02:56:36.719 This entire show. 02:56:36.959 --> 02:56:37.200 Yeah. 02:56:37.440 --> 02:56:38.479 Not anybody. 02:56:38.879 --> 02:56:43.440 Actually, is she much different in the at the end of this than she is at the very beginning? 02:56:43.760 --> 02:56:47.840 Other than the obvious, like when it comes down to being settled in as the Hulk. 02:56:49.120 --> 02:56:53.760 I think that her only character development in this is accepting herself as the Hulk. 02:56:53.920 --> 02:56:56.719 Because the only other thing I will say about Jen. 02:56:58.479 --> 02:57:05.440 And I I So this is this is one thing I'll say about Jen in particular that I actually to a degree relate to. 02:57:05.600 --> 02:57:08.639 I don't relate to it anymore because I'm taking y'all. 02:57:08.959 --> 02:57:17.280 But being a single person and just wanting to find someone that wants you, you know what I mean? 02:57:17.360 --> 02:57:22.719 That just wants you for being you and not having to be the She-Hawk or having to do something big. 02:57:22.879 --> 02:57:32.079 That is a relatable thing that they gave her for the show that I think really does resonate for a lot of people her age and younger, men and women type thing. 02:57:32.159 --> 02:57:32.959 You know what I mean? 02:57:33.120 --> 02:57:40.879 And so I I give them that, but as far as the character growth, like you said, the the only character growth is she's a accepts She-Hawk, basically. 02:57:41.280 --> 02:57:41.680 That's it. 02:57:41.760 --> 02:57:44.479 There's no other emotional character growth or anything. 02:57:44.719 --> 02:57:44.879 Right. 02:57:45.040 --> 02:57:47.680 So she does remain the same as Jen. 02:57:47.920 --> 02:57:48.479 Which sucks. 02:57:48.639 --> 02:57:49.040 Yeah. 02:57:49.360 --> 02:57:55.680 Because she's like the only, she's like a very powerful character that really it's just feels it's inconsequential. 02:57:55.920 --> 02:57:58.319 Like it's kind of like it's a big deal, you know. 02:57:58.719 --> 02:58:00.399 I think that they need a little more of that. 02:58:00.719 --> 02:58:03.360 And it would have made the comedy stick out more, I think. 02:58:04.000 --> 02:58:08.000 Yeah, it actually may have been funnier if it had more serious tones. 02:58:08.159 --> 02:58:08.639 But yeah. 02:58:08.799 --> 02:58:10.719 So did the pacing hold up for you, though? 02:58:11.040 --> 02:58:11.760 Not really. 02:58:12.000 --> 02:58:12.559 Not really. 02:58:12.639 --> 02:58:14.079 It I I got bored. 02:58:14.239 --> 02:58:18.639 The thing the show has going for it, and this is what will help, is that the episodes are short. 02:58:18.799 --> 02:58:19.120 Mm-hmm. 02:58:19.280 --> 02:58:19.680 That's true. 02:58:19.840 --> 02:58:22.159 If these were hour long, it'd have been a young fest. 02:58:22.399 --> 02:58:22.559 Yeah. 02:58:22.799 --> 02:58:23.840 Well, that's an hour long. 02:58:24.399 --> 02:58:29.360 We should have gotten more of the drama than we

should have gotten more of the intrigue of the courtroom stuff. 02:58:29.600 --> 02:58:32.879 It almost makes me think they should have committed to the hour and made that happen, right? 02:58:33.120 --> 02:58:46.959 You know, if they instead of doing 33-minute episodes, if they did 55-minute episodes and that that extra 22 minutes of the episode was a more courtroom drama, more let's flesh out the the underlining thing. 02:58:47.360 --> 02:58:48.000 I would have been fine. 02:58:48.239 --> 02:58:49.280 We'd be having a different conversation. 02:58:49.440 --> 02:58:49.600 Yes. 02:58:49.680 --> 02:58:49.920 Yep. 02:58:50.479 --> 02:58:54.239 So, guys, what we did when this show was coming out is we went all out for the show. 02:58:54.319 --> 02:58:54.799 Oh, yeah. 02:58:54.959 --> 02:58:58.399 We he came over to our house every Wednesday night. 02:58:58.559 --> 02:59:00.159 We made green food. 02:59:00.399 --> 02:59:06.159 I had our basement den donned up in green and purple all over. 02:59:06.319 --> 02:59:08.479 We had like green bread. 02:59:08.559 --> 02:59:09.920 We had green mac and cheese. 02:59:10.000 --> 02:59:11.200 We had green everything. 02:59:11.360 --> 02:59:12.159 You know what I mean? 02:59:12.319 --> 02:59:15.120 And this is the show that we were celebrating. 02:59:15.280 --> 02:59:19.440 And after the second episode, we were like, we're just getting together now, really. 02:59:19.760 --> 02:59:20.479 Well, you know what's funny? 02:59:20.559 --> 02:59:23.040 It's yeah, we were the first episode, we were still excited. 02:59:23.200 --> 02:59:23.440 Yes. 02:59:23.680 --> 02:59:25.840 After the second episode, we're like, okay, it's only a second episode. 02:59:25.920 --> 02:59:27.440 You know, this guy's room. 02:59:27.680 --> 02:59:35.120 Is about the end of the third into the fourth, is when we're like, Oh we picked the wrong show to make a thing out of this. 02:59:35.280 --> 02:59:36.239 Like, unfortunately. 02:59:36.559 --> 02:59:43.600 And then when when you get to the third act, which we're just about to dive into, guys, um the second to last episode, that picked right up. 02:59:43.680 --> 02:59:47.040 And we were like, oh my! So at least we're gonna get a good sandwich. 02:59:47.120 --> 02:59:47.760 You know what I mean? 02:59:47.920 --> 02:59:50.319 Like the beginning and the end is gonna be perfect. 02:59:50.639 --> 02:59:56.639 But it's if you like your sandwich with one piece side of it, a piece of bark. 02:59:57.040 --> 03:00:03.360 Like it's funny because now that I look back at it, the button is too toasted on the bottom and brown and all black. 03:00:04.479 --> 03:00:14.479 I think uh it's funny that when we look back at it, the one like out of all the MCU shows that we decide to pick to try to make like a let's get together and watch it, this is the one we picked. 03:00:14.719 --> 03:00:15.840 And it was like, darn it. 03:00:16.079 --> 03:00:17.680 Should have been WandaVision for a while. 03:00:18.239 --> 03:00:22.559 And we should be doing it with Vision Quest now, because my lord, this show is something else. 03:00:22.719 --> 03:00:27.760 But anyway, uh I I'm liking visit quests way more than I thought I would. 03:00:28.000 --> 03:00:29.360 So, what's your best character moment for this? 03:00:29.760 --> 03:00:32.319 Best character moment for this is god, it thank god it's over. 03:00:32.479 --> 03:00:39.040 No, um I I have to say the the dating stuff, the like uh some of that stuff I think is the best. 03:00:39.120 --> 03:00:43.840 Like it's because it's the funniest and it's the fun stuff, and that's what I thought the show was gonna be. 03:00:44.639 --> 03:00:48.719 So and the moments with Juan and Madison is kind of a tie. 03:00:48.879 --> 03:00:49.360 Mm-hmm. 03:00:50.239 --> 03:00:50.799 Yeah. 03:00:52.639 --> 03:00:53.280 I agree. 03:00:53.520 --> 03:00:55.520 I like the trademark lawyering stuff. 03:00:55.680 --> 03:00:56.639 I think that's kind of cool. 03:00:56.799 --> 03:00:58.079 Yeah, it's I like it too. 03:00:59.600 --> 03:00:59.840 That's all. 03:01:00.079 --> 03:01:00.239 Yeah. 03:01:00.639 --> 03:01:01.840 So it's not bad in a show though. 03:01:02.079 --> 03:01:03.040 What's your score then? 03:01:03.280 --> 03:01:14.159 It did I do give it a five because in the rewatch now I realize I it committed to the show it is, and I'm like, okay, uh let's still have as good a time with it as I can. 03:01:14.399 --> 03:01:18.559 And I think that there's there's enough there too, it was entertaining. 03:01:18.879 --> 03:01:21.040 I didn't feel like it was hard to get through. 03:01:21.200 --> 03:01:21.520 Mm-hmm. 03:01:21.680 --> 03:01:23.200 And it helped that it was short. 03:01:23.440 --> 03:01:23.760 Yep. 03:01:23.920 --> 03:01:24.239 Yes. 03:01:24.719 --> 03:01:28.159 If this was a better show and longer, it probably would have been more likable. 03:01:28.399 --> 03:01:32.639 But the fact that they're short, it's not like I gotta do an hour of crap I don't, I'm not interested in. 03:01:32.879 --> 03:01:38.239 I could do a half hour of something that almost gets me, but then all ultimately is just what it is. 03:01:38.399 --> 03:01:38.639 Yep. 03:01:38.799 --> 03:01:40.879 I gave it a six out of ten. 03:01:41.360 --> 03:01:41.920 Makes sense. 03:01:42.079 --> 03:01:45.280 All right, I'll read to you guys the ending, the last three episodes. 03:01:45.680 --> 03:01:52.000 So, Jennifer Walters begins dating Josh Miller, unaware he is secretly working for Hulk King to clone her. 03:01:52.399 --> 03:01:57.360 Uh oh, sorry, to clone her phone and steal her blood before ghosting her. 03:01:57.520 --> 03:02:13.840 After finding closure during a therapeutic stay at Emile Blonsky's retreat, Walters represents um Eugene Patalillo, also known as Leapfrog, in a lawsuit against Taylor Luke Jacobson, who is successfully defended by attorney Matt Murdoch. 03:02:14.239 --> 03:02:16.559 Come to find out he is Daredevil. 03:02:16.959 --> 03:02:30.879 Uh

Walters and Murdoch later team up as the heroes, um, their superhero personas to rescue uh kidnapped Jacobson, resulting in a brief romance fling at a gala, where Walters wins female lawyer of the year. 03:02:31.120 --> 03:02:31.760 For what? 03:02:32.159 --> 03:02:35.360 Um, and that's the pro anyways. 03:02:35.440 --> 03:02:43.840 Um, Intelligentsia publicly smears her reputation with leaked private footage, causing her to briefly rampage and face arrest. 03:02:44.239 --> 03:02:53.040 Forced to wear a power inhibitor and fired from GLK and H, she discovers Todd Phelps is Hulk King and has stolen her blood to become a Hulk. 03:02:53.200 --> 03:03:01.200 Uh, disgusted by the chaotic finale, Walters breaks the fourth wall to confront the Marvel AI, Kevin, rewriting the ending. 03:03:01.360 --> 03:03:07.440 So Phelps and Blonsky are arrested, her charges are dropped, and her job is restored. 03:03:09.600 --> 03:03:14.879 That is the worst last sentence I have ever read thus far. 03:03:15.120 --> 03:03:18.319 Anyways, uh, let's talk about what worked though first. 03:03:18.559 --> 03:03:19.840 Yeah, this would be quick. 03:03:20.479 --> 03:03:24.159 So actually, it's it's pretty easy. 03:03:24.399 --> 03:03:31.120 There's there's um honestly, the whole beginning part x okay. 03:03:31.200 --> 03:03:33.600 I do not no talk about work, Sam. 03:03:33.840 --> 03:03:34.399 Talk about work. 03:03:34.959 --> 03:03:40.159 So you wanna like I'll start I'll start you off. 03:03:40.319 --> 03:03:40.479 Okay. 03:03:40.639 --> 03:03:46.079 I like this collection of former villains and them hitting sitting with Neil and all that, or Emil and Okay. 03:03:46.319 --> 03:03:47.040 I think that's fun. 03:03:47.200 --> 03:03:47.520 Yep. 03:03:47.760 --> 03:03:58.159 I think it speaks to what this show could have been, which could have really focused, not focused, but one of the themes could have been can we trust villains that might turn and go good, right? 03:03:58.559 --> 03:04:04.079 Okay, um, and I and it's also funny, you know, and it works, and they're just weird villains, and it's fine. 03:04:04.239 --> 03:04:05.600 You know, I I like it though. 03:04:05.760 --> 03:04:10.799 If I think it fits in this show, I'm glad you appreciate it because I did not like that episode. 03:04:11.120 --> 03:04:12.159 So I don't like the episode. 03:04:12.319 --> 03:04:14.319 Okay, as a but I enjoy things in that. 03:04:14.479 --> 03:04:18.879 Okay, I like that concept, and they do it well, but no, the episode's awful. 03:04:19.040 --> 03:04:21.040 Yeah, it definitely feels like a filler episode. 03:04:21.120 --> 03:04:25.600 Yeah, um, it's not the worst need one, but yes, yes, right. 03:04:25.680 --> 03:04:27.680 That's the problem with that, anyways. 03:04:27.840 --> 03:04:30.479 Um, so that episode. 03:04:30.799 --> 03:04:35.520 Um, I adore this Daredevil episode. 03:04:35.760 --> 03:04:37.840 Oh god, it's it's the episode of the whole show. 03:04:38.079 --> 03:04:41.680 Yes, from the very beginning to the very end. 03:04:41.840 --> 03:04:45.920 Whoever wrote this episode in particular, they nailed it. 03:04:46.159 --> 03:04:53.840 Like, this is this is if the whole show was like this episode, this is easily a slam dunk for Marvel. 03:04:53.920 --> 03:04:57.280 She would have been a new face of the MCU, to be honest. 03:04:57.520 --> 03:05:00.079 It was that good of an episode. 03:05:00.239 --> 03:05:00.639 Yep. 03:05:00.799 --> 03:05:03.360 It's like, and I I'm not exaggerating, guys. 03:05:03.520 --> 03:05:13.360 If you are not watching She-Hulk, and you're just watching our breakdown just for fun on our March to Doomsday, and you're like, Well, do I really have to check out the show? 03:05:13.600 --> 03:05:29.520 Be like, you might not need to know this for Doomsday, but if you just want to watch a really good episode of the Disney Plus stuff, more than some of the other Disney Plus shows themselves, this episode in particular, the was it uh rip it and rub it, something like that? 03:05:29.600 --> 03:05:30.079 I don't know. 03:05:30.319 --> 03:05:33.280 It's uh Ribbit and Rip It. 03:05:33.360 --> 03:05:34.719 Yeah, Rib It and Rip It. 03:05:35.040 --> 03:05:36.719 That's a great episode. 03:05:36.799 --> 03:05:40.239 That's it's basically this whole episode all in one, you know? 03:05:40.399 --> 03:05:43.440 Like you could have this episode just by itself and it would work. 03:05:43.600 --> 03:05:44.719 Do you want to hear something crazy? 03:05:45.200 --> 03:05:47.680 I was looking up while you're talking just to answer your question. 03:05:47.920 --> 03:05:52.799 The two people that wrote this together wrote none of the other episodes in this entire series. 03:05:53.120 --> 03:05:55.360 Oh my gosh, why? 03:05:55.760 --> 03:05:56.319 Why? 03:05:56.479 --> 03:06:01.360 This they they should be hired as the head writers for She-Hawk stuff. 03:06:01.760 --> 03:06:03.600 That's how good this one is. 03:06:03.760 --> 03:06:08.399 She's personable, she's funny, her chemistry with Matt Murdoch is exceptional. 03:06:08.639 --> 03:06:12.319 Great that they brought Charlie Cox back in and gave him that kind of outfit, too. 03:06:12.479 --> 03:06:16.799 They have a consistent villain from the beginning to end of this episode with a Rip It guy. 03:06:17.040 --> 03:06:18.879 There's law drama right there. 03:06:18.959 --> 03:06:23.200 You get a little mention of the Sokovia chords have been repealed, like big stuff. 03:06:23.600 --> 03:06:24.559 The show should have been right here. 03:06:24.959 --> 03:06:28.319 Oh my gosh, yes, I was I was blown away by it. 03:06:28.479 --> 03:06:36.399 You get both drama and fighting, and I I like these two as a couple more than him and Karen. 03:06:37.040 --> 03:06:40.479 I like Jen and Matt together, anyways. 03:06:40.559 --> 03:06:43.920 So, yeah, this is it's on the our screen right now, guys. 03:06:44.159 --> 03:06:45.440 One great episode. 03:06:45.680 --> 03:06:56.079 Why that final

episode of Daredevil Born Again when everything was about to go down and Fisk is throwing people around, she didn't walk in as Hulk, and he'd just be like, Jen. 03:06:56.399 --> 03:06:58.319 And we just you know what I mean? 03:06:58.399 --> 03:07:01.440 Like, why they didn't do that boggles my mind. 03:07:01.680 --> 03:07:03.600 That you know oh, oh what? 03:07:03.840 --> 03:07:05.840 What an ending to a CH season that would have been. 03:07:06.000 --> 03:07:08.239 And you know, Kingpin is a strong dude. 03:07:08.479 --> 03:07:09.280 But she's she all. 03:07:09.680 --> 03:07:12.639 But she she that oh wouldn't it have been sweet? 03:07:12.799 --> 03:07:14.799 Oh my gosh, that would have been so cool. 03:07:15.120 --> 03:07:15.840 I've never seen it come. 03:07:16.079 --> 03:07:19.840 Just the door opens and she walks in and it's she's green, and he just jets. 03:07:20.479 --> 03:07:22.239 She's like, Yeah, I'm here to give you, you know, whatever. 03:07:22.319 --> 03:07:22.479 Yeah. 03:07:22.559 --> 03:07:24.879 And Kingpin just tries to do something and she puts him on the ground. 03:07:24.959 --> 03:07:28.319 Like, even like references of this, be like, You're stopped answering my text. 03:07:28.479 --> 03:07:29.760 I'm gonna fly out here now to you. 03:07:29.920 --> 03:07:33.040 Be like, okay, crazy, but it makes sense character-wise. 03:07:33.680 --> 03:07:34.879 She ghosted him. 03:07:35.520 --> 03:07:38.559 Oh, oh wouldn't that be funny? 03:07:38.719 --> 03:07:39.440 That would be different. 03:07:39.600 --> 03:07:40.399 Yeah, big difference. 03:07:40.719 --> 03:07:46.719 Because she's she seems to be like what we see with her in these episodes in particular, more of the I can't wait for him to text me. 03:07:46.799 --> 03:07:48.399 I can't wait for him to text me and all that stuff. 03:07:48.479 --> 03:07:51.120 So let's see the reversal of that would be a little different. 03:07:51.200 --> 03:07:51.520 Yeah. 03:07:51.600 --> 03:07:53.920 But how awesome that would have been at the end of there. 03:07:54.079 --> 03:07:54.799 Yeah, well, anyway. 03:07:55.040 --> 03:07:55.600 Yeah, yeah. 03:07:55.760 --> 03:07:58.559 Well, guys, that this opportunity right there, guys. 03:07:58.719 --> 03:08:01.120 That was a of these, that's all that worked for me. 03:08:01.360 --> 03:08:02.479 Yeah, that episode's great. 03:08:02.719 --> 03:08:05.520 I mean, it's uh everything else in uh that happened sucks. 03:08:05.680 --> 03:08:06.000 Yes. 03:08:06.239 --> 03:08:07.360 I'm not a fan, I don't care. 03:08:07.520 --> 03:08:10.399 This episode's the only thing that comes out of this last three episodes. 03:08:10.639 --> 03:08:11.120 Oh, yeah. 03:08:11.280 --> 03:08:12.239 Yeah, I yeah. 03:08:12.479 --> 03:08:15.600 You you basically covered all what I had to say. 03:08:15.840 --> 03:08:19.680 I mean, the plot seems lost still, and it's just all over the place. 03:08:19.840 --> 03:08:25.760 The Balanski illegal stuff seems too simple and kind of mid, you know, and and it's getting too obvious. 03:08:25.920 --> 03:08:30.399 And then of course, let's take a second and just discuss that last episode, just for the hell of it. 03:08:30.559 --> 03:08:31.360 Yeah, it's funny. 03:08:33.280 --> 03:08:35.760 On biggest issues, I wrote the whole ninth episode. 03:08:36.000 --> 03:08:37.840 Yeah, what is going on, man? 03:08:38.079 --> 03:08:39.360 That yeah. 03:08:40.639 --> 03:08:42.639 I don't under I get it. 03:08:42.719 --> 03:08:54.559 I know what they were going for, but the shock of it and it happening was too much that it made me go, this is not it made everything that we just watch really mean nothing. 03:08:54.799 --> 03:08:55.600 It didn't, yeah. 03:08:55.680 --> 03:09:19.360 Well, the it's what's okay, so in the comics of Sensational She-Hulk, she does come out of the fourth wall and like they make it a little nod because that there's an editorial dispute of her yelling at cartoon versions of the editors, and so I get what they were trying to do there. 03:09:19.600 --> 03:09:28.879 The problem is, like I've said before on this podcast multiple times, guys, what works in one medium does not translate well into another. 03:09:29.280 --> 03:09:37.840 That should never happen for this show, because the whole rest of the show for me comes in the question of what's really going on then. 03:09:38.159 --> 03:09:47.040 Because if she can just walk out of her own show and make them change the ending, and then there's all these things that are magically fixed. 03:09:47.120 --> 03:09:48.079 That's not the world. 03:09:48.239 --> 03:09:49.120 That's not the world. 03:09:49.680 --> 03:09:50.639 You can't do that. 03:09:51.840 --> 03:09:53.760 I mean, I don't want to see that. 03:09:54.879 --> 03:09:56.000 Yeah, it's it's not good. 03:09:56.239 --> 03:09:59.440 It's no, it makes absolutely no sense. 03:10:01.840 --> 03:10:03.600 Yes, and you know what's funny? 03:10:03.840 --> 03:10:15.920 I would even I would forgive them for that if they ended the show on like a post-credit scene of her in a lab comatose that she was dreaming that episode. 03:10:17.760 --> 03:10:20.159 I mean, it would actually I'd be forgivable then. 03:10:20.399 --> 03:10:27.600 You know, like maybe instead of sticking her with a needle just to get the blood, she also he he took her, you know? 03:10:27.840 --> 03:10:30.719 And we leave the season with her being kidnapped, and we didn't know what the hell's going on. 03:10:30.879 --> 03:10:31.520 And it's the leader. 03:10:31.760 --> 03:10:36.639 That'd be which could have set up a better version of Brave New World. 03:10:36.879 --> 03:10:37.200 Yes. 03:10:37.440 --> 03:10:40.959 I mean, because this could be part of his ultimate plan to get caught. 03:10:43.600 --> 03:10:45.920 There's such a stupid motivation. 03:10:46.079 --> 03:10:47.440 This is 2026. 03:10:47.520 --> 03:10:48.959 What the heck were we doing with 2020? 03:10:49.840 --> 03:10:51.200 It would have been cool, it would have

been way cooler. 03:10:51.360 --> 03:10:56.079 And uh but anyways, the the whole episode, it was bad. 03:10:56.319 --> 03:11:01.840 I don't know why they thought I I want to see these 20 versions that she wrote for the finale. 03:11:01.920 --> 03:11:07.200 I want to read them and see probably 15 of them were better than this. 03:11:07.680 --> 03:11:11.520 I don't get it, and I don't get that Kevin Foggy was like, Why are you overthinking it? 03:11:11.600 --> 03:11:12.639 Make it unconventional. 03:11:12.719 --> 03:11:17.920 No, he should have said, This is a Hulk, Hulk smash battle, please. 03:11:18.000 --> 03:11:21.600 You know, the one episode we're gonna pour a lot of money into, make them all fight. 03:11:21.760 --> 03:11:21.920 Right. 03:11:22.239 --> 03:11:25.120 Well, it makes Abomination look dumb, it makes all of them. 03:11:26.159 --> 03:11:27.760 It doesn't make any sense. 03:11:28.000 --> 03:11:33.680 Well, what it did is this is what it did, and this is why I say go to Ryan when you want to do the fourth wall stuff. 03:11:33.920 --> 03:11:53.760 Because what the difference between this show and what they're doing in Deadpool is this is in Deadpool, when Ryan breaks the fourth wall, it's him recognizing we're watching him, but his world is still very real. 03:11:54.799 --> 03:12:05.680 And in hers, when they do this at the end, it's her recognizing that we're watching her and that her world is so fake that she can change it. 03:12:07.040 --> 03:12:09.120 Because that's something Deadpool never did. 03:12:09.680 --> 03:12:16.879 What Ryan knew what to do was to still take like his world as happening, and we're just spectators to it. 03:12:17.280 --> 03:12:24.079 When hers is like, oh no, you're not only spectators, but my world is literally so fake that I could just go in and make them do what we want. 03:12:24.319 --> 03:12:25.520 So there you are, guys. 03:12:25.680 --> 03:12:27.600 How do we defeat Doctor Doom? 03:12:27.840 --> 03:12:40.000 She just needs to show up, pop out of the movie screen, run to over to the thing, punch him in the face as Robert Downey Jr., and then or whatever the heck, and or yell at a writer to write him out and then go back in. 03:12:40.079 --> 03:12:47.600 And we said we have solved every problem the Avengers are ever gonna face in the future because we have Jennifer Walters. 03:12:47.680 --> 03:12:54.079 Because not only does she break the fourth wall, but she breaks the fourth wall and tells us how fake it is on the other side. 03:12:55.040 --> 03:12:56.479 And that's the thing with Ryan. 03:12:56.639 --> 03:13:02.559 Ryan would break the fourth wall, but we're still watching what he's going through and what's happening is real. 03:13:02.719 --> 03:13:03.600 You see what I'm saying? 03:13:04.079 --> 03:13:08.639 And I think that that's the magic that they have to keep with this fourth wall stuff, and they ruin it in this show. 03:13:08.799 --> 03:13:11.360 Or this is definitely a way not to do it, they

ruin it. 03:13:11.680 --> 03:13:14.879 Because obviously he goes on and do Deadpool Wolverine, it's fantastic. 03:13:15.120 --> 03:13:16.719 But everything in that is still happening. 03:13:16.879 --> 03:13:22.559 Like when he smashes the camera with his head in that movie, it doesn't make us go, oh wait, none of this is real. 03:13:22.719 --> 03:13:24.879 It just makes us like we know he's talking to us. 03:13:24.959 --> 03:13:27.920 Yeah, he goes right back to the real story that he's going through. 03:13:28.239 --> 03:13:31.680 So it's like it's yeah, it's this this really is so dumb, man. 03:13:31.760 --> 03:13:34.479 It's the epitome of anticlimatic. 03:13:34.959 --> 03:13:37.840 Like I said, you're setting up this theme about do we forgive villains? 03:13:38.000 --> 03:13:41.600 And you should have had Neil or Neil, I'm sorry, Neil. 03:13:41.680 --> 03:13:42.559 I keep saying Neil. 03:13:42.719 --> 03:13:42.959 Yeah. 03:13:43.280 --> 03:13:50.879 You should have had Abomination, but stay a good guy and keep that mystery of was he gonna be a good guy or a bad guy, and let him be a good guy. 03:13:50.959 --> 03:13:57.440 And that would have been very interesting, which could have set up a really cool cameo and future project for him to be in the Thunderbolts. 03:13:57.680 --> 03:14:00.559 I was just gonna say I was like, Because now you still seem because he's just a bad guy. 03:14:00.719 --> 03:14:00.879 Yeah. 03:14:01.040 --> 03:14:07.600 And you can't just let him go because he's oh, he's a bad guy, but he's gonna be on our team because we're gonna find something that he's gonna agree with. 03:14:07.760 --> 03:14:09.440 No, he's an abomination. 03:14:09.920 --> 03:14:13.760 He's lucky the Hulk didn't snap his neck if I was writing that movie. 03:14:14.159 --> 03:14:14.479 Yeah. 03:14:14.639 --> 03:14:17.280 So he's lucky he's still here if it wasn't me writing it, right? 03:14:17.360 --> 03:14:19.680 If if I wrote that movie, he wouldn't even be here. 03:14:19.840 --> 03:14:20.079 Yeah. 03:14:20.239 --> 03:14:21.680 Because it'd be like, kill him. 03:14:22.399 --> 03:14:23.680 No, it's not us. 03:14:23.840 --> 03:14:24.559 Look at it. 03:14:24.799 --> 03:14:26.879 Kill it, then we'll talk about it later, right? 03:14:27.040 --> 03:14:32.239 But it but now it's like make him the good guy, make him, but still unacceptable because of what he had done. 03:14:32.479 --> 03:14:36.799 So he would fit great with that misfits of the Thunderbolts, right? 03:14:37.040 --> 03:14:39.120 But yeah, no, that's not what they end up doing. 03:14:39.200 --> 03:14:40.479 So Yeah. 03:14:40.639 --> 03:14:45.280 Alright, so and and was that said, did the ending land for me? 03:14:45.520 --> 03:14:45.840 No. 03:14:46.159 --> 03:14:47.920 Did uh was the climax earn? 03:14:48.079 --> 03:14:48.239 No. 03:14:48.319 --> 03:14:50.239 Hulk King is stupid. 03:14:50.479 --> 03:15:02.959 Oh this the the reveal that he it makes sense to me the reveal that he's being like he's behind intelligentsia, but to become a Hulk, no. 03:15:03.360 --> 03:15:08.639 That's an exclusive club that I don't like that they're like, oh, we'll just make anyone become a Hulk. 03:15:08.719 --> 03:15:10.239 No, that's not how it's supposed to be. 03:15:10.479 --> 03:15:18.799 That's what that's where my complaint in the beginning comes back, where it's like, so it isn't the blood, it's just this is what gamma radiation does. 03:15:19.040 --> 03:15:21.200 Because if that's the case, let's all line up, man. 03:15:21.840 --> 03:15:24.399 Because Bruce just found immortality. 03:15:25.280 --> 03:15:25.920 Yeah. 03:15:26.639 --> 03:15:30.239 We all just need some Bruce Bruce Banner blood, and we no more cancer. 03:15:30.399 --> 03:15:35.200 You know, we can all hulk out, we can all be powerful and fight each other all day. 03:15:35.520 --> 03:15:37.360 And what's the issue here? 03:15:37.440 --> 03:15:38.799 It's no, it's so dumb. 03:15:38.959 --> 03:15:39.360 Yeah. 03:15:39.600 --> 03:15:40.079 Yeah. 03:15:40.399 --> 03:15:42.559 I think they know they did that wrong too. 03:15:43.040 --> 03:15:44.959 I I yeah, I feel like they did. 03:15:45.120 --> 03:15:45.760 Yeah. 03:15:46.079 --> 03:15:47.440 So all right. 03:15:47.680 --> 03:15:49.360 Um, what's your score? 03:15:49.840 --> 03:15:50.959 Tag three. 03:15:51.280 --> 03:15:51.600 Okay. 03:15:52.399 --> 03:15:52.959 I agree. 03:15:53.200 --> 03:15:53.680 Two. 03:15:54.719 --> 03:15:55.040 Yeah. 03:15:55.200 --> 03:15:57.280 Well, actually, no, I'm gonna mend that. 03:15:57.360 --> 03:16:01.600 I I gave it a three only because of that second to last episode. 03:16:02.000 --> 03:16:02.559 But they're gonna. 03:16:02.959 --> 03:16:03.120 Yep. 03:16:03.280 --> 03:16:05.360 If that if that episode was not good. 03:16:05.680 --> 03:16:06.239 Yeah. 03:16:06.639 --> 03:16:08.319 So you're two, I'm a three. 03:16:08.399 --> 03:16:09.120 There you go. 03:16:09.360 --> 03:16:12.159 Um other than that, it's just it's just too late. 03:16:12.399 --> 03:16:12.719 It was. 03:16:12.959 --> 03:16:14.159 That's my problem with that episode. 03:16:14.399 --> 03:16:15.600 I love it, but it's too late. 03:16:15.760 --> 03:16:16.159 Yeah. 03:16:16.399 --> 03:16:19.200 Oh, I can't believe it's the different writers for that one. 03:16:19.440 --> 03:16:20.239 They break to the writer. 03:16:21.440 --> 03:16:25.040 Because like this that's on our screen right now is the end of that episode. 03:16:25.200 --> 03:16:26.239 It's so good. 03:16:26.479 --> 03:16:30.719 Yeah, like she realizes she's in she's in trouble. 03:16:30.959 --> 03:16:33.600 Like, oh, it's so good how they ended that. 03:16:33.920 --> 03:16:34.559 What? 03:16:34.799 --> 03:16:38.959 They could have ended the whole show like that, been like, whoa, we want to see more now. 03:16:39.040 --> 03:16:39.680 You know what I mean? 03:16:40.000 --> 03:16:40.879 Anyways, whatever. 03:16:41.040 --> 03:16:41.520 Whatever. 03:16:41.680 --> 03:16:43.440 So,

post credit scene. 03:16:43.920 --> 03:16:45.760 There's a lot of post-credit scenes, actually. 03:16:46.159 --> 03:16:51.840 So I'll just read these off real quick, and then we'll just we're gonna bypass this part real fast. 03:16:52.239 --> 03:16:59.280 Um, the end of episode one, the post-credit scene is Bruce Banner reveals the truth about Captain America's virginity. 03:17:00.399 --> 03:17:07.920 Episode two, episode two, Jen uses her she-hawk strength to help out with heavy chores around her parents' house. 03:17:08.079 --> 03:17:14.159 Episode three, Megan Stalin shows up to Jen's office, signs her as a client, and the two twerk together. 03:17:14.719 --> 03:17:19.360 Episode four, Wong and Madison hang out in the college drinking and watching the Sopranos. 03:17:19.600 --> 03:17:20.159 That's not bad. 03:17:20.239 --> 03:17:20.799 That's really good. 03:17:21.440 --> 03:17:26.719 Um, number nine, Wong breaks Emil Blansky out of prison and brings him back to Carmitage. 03:17:27.280 --> 03:17:28.639 That is interesting. 03:17:31.520 --> 03:17:35.760 That last one, why haven't we seen anything from that? 03:17:36.399 --> 03:17:38.159 He's at Carmitage now? 03:17:38.879 --> 03:17:40.079 Well they're buddies, right? 03:17:41.200 --> 03:17:45.520 Even though by the end of this we realize Blansky was lying. 03:17:46.239 --> 03:17:47.520 So why would you have him? 03:17:48.239 --> 03:17:55.440 So but even then you have the abomination at Carmitage. 03:17:55.840 --> 03:17:59.840 Okay, Marvel, please do not for the life of me. 03:18:00.319 --> 03:18:04.879 Do not make Emile Blonsky a magician sorcerer guy. 03:18:05.040 --> 03:18:05.840 Don't make him one. 03:18:06.319 --> 03:18:07.280 Oh my goodness. 03:18:07.440 --> 03:18:08.719 No, no, no. 03:18:09.600 --> 03:18:09.920 No. 03:18:10.559 --> 03:18:10.879 No. 03:18:12.079 --> 03:18:14.079 I don't even like that doing that to America Chavez. 03:18:14.239 --> 03:18:15.520 So she's already doing that thing. 03:18:15.680 --> 03:18:18.959 Be like, no! This is weird. 03:18:20.079 --> 03:18:21.200 Oh no. 03:18:21.680 --> 03:18:25.520 I don't want him to show up and Emile Blonsky's like this, and he turns into Abomination. 03:18:25.760 --> 03:18:26.719 Be like, no. 03:18:27.200 --> 03:18:30.559 What if we get like a sling circle in Doomsday? 03:18:30.719 --> 03:18:32.319 And everyone's like, who is it? 03:18:32.559 --> 03:18:33.120 It's a Mio. 03:18:33.440 --> 03:18:35.120 And he walks out as Abomination. 03:18:35.280 --> 03:18:38.319 He's got the thing on, and he's like, Is it yours? 03:18:38.399 --> 03:18:38.559 You know? 03:18:38.719 --> 03:18:39.440 Oh, so weird. 03:18:39.600 --> 03:18:41.360 I'd be like, what the hell are we going to do? 03:18:41.520 --> 03:18:41.760 Yeah. 03:18:42.000 --> 03:18:43.120 Oh no, no. 03:18:43.360 --> 03:18:44.239 Russo Brothers. 03:18:44.319 --> 03:18:44.479 No. 03:18:44.639 --> 03:18:47.120 Maybe that's why Doom went and collected Bruce. 03:18:47.360 --> 03:18:49.680 Because he needs a Hulk to fight Abomination because Abomination. 03:18:50.079 --> 03:18:51.200 Magic Abomination? 03:18:52.319 --> 03:18:53.440 That sounds horrible. 03:18:53.840 --> 03:18:54.719 Oh my god, guys. 03:18:54.799 --> 03:18:56.319 Let's do this. 03:18:56.559 --> 03:18:57.200 What was their plan? 03:18:57.440 --> 03:18:58.079 It's so dumb. 03:18:58.479 --> 03:19:01.920 Anyway, the purpose of this that went to the wayside with King, right? 03:19:02.239 --> 03:19:04.879 Yeah, purpose is to have fun and whatever. 03:19:05.360 --> 03:19:06.159 I'll be honest. 03:19:06.319 --> 03:19:08.959 A lot of people online don't like that's working. 03:19:09.200 --> 03:19:10.559 I don't care about that's working. 03:19:10.719 --> 03:19:11.200 It's fine. 03:19:11.360 --> 03:19:12.000 I'm indifferent. 03:19:12.079 --> 03:19:14.559 I I can go, yeah, I can I'm I can go with or without it. 03:19:14.719 --> 03:19:16.559 I can see the joke and why people are silly. 03:19:16.639 --> 03:19:17.760 Uh to me, it didn't matter. 03:19:17.920 --> 03:19:18.479 Yeah. 03:19:18.719 --> 03:19:19.200 Yeah. 03:19:19.520 --> 03:19:20.000 Yeah. 03:19:20.239 --> 03:19:22.879 Um, hype level for this, there's none. 03:19:23.200 --> 03:19:24.079 Yeah, I could care less. 03:19:24.159 --> 03:19:25.200 I hope it disappears. 03:19:25.360 --> 03:19:25.680 Yeah. 03:19:25.840 --> 03:19:28.079 Now we found a reason to just kind of forget about it. 03:19:28.159 --> 03:19:28.319 Yeah. 03:19:28.479 --> 03:19:32.719 I actually feel bad we put it out back into the waves of the interwebs. 03:19:32.959 --> 03:19:33.040 Yeah. 03:19:33.280 --> 03:19:39.120 What if Figgy's, you know, one night just sitting back and all bored because, you know, watches the God Multiverse podcast. 03:19:40.079 --> 03:19:43.680 Yeah, like he just got done having like a godfather like meeting with Mickey Mouse. 03:19:43.760 --> 03:19:48.159 And he's sitting there thinking, okay, I gotta make some crap movies because Mickey Mouse needs his money. 03:19:48.399 --> 03:19:51.120 But like, you know, I don't know what to do. 03:19:51.200 --> 03:19:55.520 So he just goes on and starts surfing YouTube, and there we are, talking to all She-Hulk. 03:19:55.760 --> 03:19:56.719 Because yeah, that sucks. 03:19:56.959 --> 03:19:57.440 Let's watch that. 03:19:57.520 --> 03:19:58.879 I'll feel better about myself. 03:19:59.120 --> 03:20:02.159 And he watches that, and we talk about the whole wait, what happened? 03:20:02.239 --> 03:20:03.840 Why did he bring him the Carmitage? 03:20:04.239 --> 03:20:05.840 And and it's like, ding. 03:20:06.879 --> 03:20:10.239 We just did we just ruined the Marvel Cinematic Universe tonight. 03:20:10.719 --> 03:20:11.280 We just did. 03:20:11.520 --> 03:20:12.159 Sorry, guys. 03:20:12.399 --> 03:20:12.879 Darn it. 03:20:13.200 --> 03:20:13.680 I'm sorry. 03:20:14.159 --> 03:20:14.479 Sorry. 03:20:14.719 --> 03:20:15.040 Anyways. 03:20:15.440 --> 03:20:17.760 Next movie after X-Men is gonna be

She-Hulk. 03:20:18.079 --> 03:20:21.840 And it's gonna be And the Magic Abomination. 03:20:24.399 --> 03:20:25.760 And the Magic Abomination. 03:20:26.000 --> 03:20:27.760 That's their new TV show that's gonna come out. 03:20:27.920 --> 03:20:29.360 Magic Abomination. 03:20:31.360 --> 03:20:32.639 I feel torn. 03:20:32.959 --> 03:20:36.799 Anyways, so um score for the post-credit scenes. 03:20:36.959 --> 03:20:39.040 Yeah, I mean zero. 03:20:39.200 --> 03:20:40.319 Yeah, zero. 03:20:40.559 --> 03:20:40.959 All right. 03:20:41.120 --> 03:20:44.399 Deep dives, casting and performances, best performance. 03:20:44.639 --> 03:20:55.040 I'm gonna give it to Tatiana because I think she balances the Hulk part and the girl part, and I like all the romantic comedy stuff that she does put in it. 03:20:55.120 --> 03:20:56.479 I think I want more of it. 03:20:56.559 --> 03:20:58.799 I think she's perfectly cast as this character. 03:20:59.040 --> 03:20:59.680 I completely agree. 03:20:59.760 --> 03:21:00.000 Yes. 03:21:00.159 --> 03:21:00.959 And I feel bad for her. 03:21:01.200 --> 03:21:02.479 She just needs some better project. 03:21:02.799 --> 03:21:04.319 Most surprising performance. 03:21:04.559 --> 03:21:08.719 I'm gonna get it to Patty Guggenheim as Madison. 03:21:09.040 --> 03:21:09.520 Yep. 03:21:09.840 --> 03:21:14.959 I think that if people realize how opposite she is of that, they'd be surprised how good she is at it. 03:21:15.200 --> 03:21:18.159 Oh, like the the actress herself is just yeah. 03:21:18.479 --> 03:21:20.879 It's not that at all, and she's so good at it. 03:21:21.120 --> 03:21:28.479 And like you said, I've seen her in other things, and I was impressed that that's what and the chemistry between her and Wong is just astonishing. 03:21:29.760 --> 03:21:31.040 It makes me want more of it, you know. 03:21:31.120 --> 03:21:31.760 So yeah. 03:21:31.920 --> 03:21:33.040 All right, I completely agree. 03:21:33.120 --> 03:21:33.840 That was mine too. 03:21:34.000 --> 03:21:37.360 Weigh's performance, I put Josh Sagara as pug. 03:21:37.840 --> 03:21:40.239 Yeah, I mean, I I I was able to forgive him. 03:21:40.319 --> 03:21:45.440 I actually put the Jamaica or Jamika Jamaler or Jamila Jamila. 03:21:47.200 --> 03:21:49.680 It just was like, I think some of the problem. 03:21:49.840 --> 03:21:57.440 I can't tell if it's because she's a bad actress or if there's just not a lot there. 03:21:59.120 --> 03:22:04.079 I would lean more towards the they didn't they didn't tell her story. 03:22:04.639 --> 03:22:08.000 Yeah, but at the same time, here's what I can tell you about this, though. 03:22:08.319 --> 03:22:13.200 There's characters that I don't think are good actors in a spot that actually had a good spot. 03:22:13.520 --> 03:22:15.840 And she reminds me of one that you're not gonna like. 03:22:15.920 --> 03:22:19.280 I'm gonna say it and you're gonna look at me cross-eyed, but it's the truth. 03:22:19.600 --> 03:22:31.120 I don't think, I know

we didn't say it in our retro and I didn't bring it up too much, and it wasn't necessarily a problem, but I'm not a fan of the actress who played Emma Frost in first class. 03:22:32.000 --> 03:22:32.319 Okay. 03:22:32.879 --> 03:22:35.440 I don't think she was right for the role. 03:22:35.600 --> 03:22:40.559 I don't think she ruined it either, but it wouldn't have been who I would want. 03:22:40.639 --> 03:22:48.559 Is learning more about Emma Frost now, I don't think that person has the reins for what needs to be done to do justice for that character. 03:22:48.799 --> 03:22:53.840 Because well, let's be honest, I think you know for sure they didn't give that character much justice in that movie. 03:22:54.079 --> 03:22:55.040 They didn't that they could. 03:22:55.280 --> 03:22:55.440 No. 03:22:55.680 --> 03:22:59.680 And with what I've learned about her, I don't think that actress was gonna pull it off anyway. 03:22:59.920 --> 03:23:00.239 Oh. 03:23:00.559 --> 03:23:02.319 You don't think you don't think she could have done that? 03:23:02.479 --> 03:23:03.840 No, I don't think she's that good. 03:23:04.079 --> 03:23:05.840 And this woman reminds me of her. 03:23:06.399 --> 03:23:16.559 Like I think that the character is there and it could have been at least an attempt to be interesting, but she's kinda dull and over-exaggerative about it. 03:23:16.879 --> 03:23:20.000 And I think that maybe sure they directed it that way. 03:23:20.239 --> 03:23:21.600 I don't well, hello. 03:23:21.920 --> 03:23:24.079 We got accompanying guys, puppies. 03:23:24.239 --> 03:23:26.239 Um, but yeah, I don't think so. 03:23:26.319 --> 03:23:29.360 I think I I am gonna blame it on the acting this time, actually. 03:23:30.000 --> 03:23:31.760 I think I think it was uh okay. 03:23:31.920 --> 03:23:33.200 I don't think she's that good. 03:23:33.760 --> 03:23:46.159 So uh casting wins or missus, I I actually wrote down three, but um, I mean Tatiana, I always thought she was a great casting win for this um for Jennifer Walters. 03:23:46.399 --> 03:23:52.000 Um I was very optimistic with the show once they announced that she actually was gonna be She-Hulk. 03:23:52.079 --> 03:24:02.879 And I didn't know anything about her beforehand, but as soon as they announced her, and then I started looking it up and I watched a couple of things and just saw an interview too, I thought, oh that yeah, she's great, but just makes sense, yeah. 03:24:03.120 --> 03:24:09.600 Um, getting Charlie Cox back as Daredevil, casting win right there, easily. 03:24:09.840 --> 03:24:14.879 And I did I'm I'm just gonna leave it at the end here, and I'm not gonna explain anymore. 03:24:15.120 --> 03:24:18.959 I did put Jamil Jamil as uh one of the casting wins. 03:24:19.120 --> 03:24:28.559 I thought for Titania, who is a not serious character, anyways, the reimagining of her as an influencer I thought was interesting. 03:24:28.799 --> 03:24:32.239 I just don't like that they didn't fully develop it. 03:24:32.399 --> 03:24:33.040 You know what I mean? 03:24:33.120 --> 03:24:44.000 Yeah, like it to me in the MCU, if you have an influencer, which means they influence, they have a lot of fan bases, she's promoting this beauty line, all this different stuff. 03:24:44.319 --> 03:24:49.440 And she also has powers that's not being explained, that's a problem for me. 03:24:49.600 --> 03:24:55.280 Okay, so I also put her as well, not only as a casting one, but as a missed opportunity with a potential. 03:24:55.440 --> 03:24:55.840 Gotcha. 03:24:55.920 --> 03:24:56.079 Okay. 03:24:56.319 --> 03:25:04.000 Because I think they've explained Jen, they've explained almost all these characters except for Hulk King, but I don't care about him, so I don't want to hear him explained. 03:25:04.079 --> 03:25:05.120 I just want him gone. 03:25:05.360 --> 03:25:12.319 Titania, I thought was an interesting villain for her, and I want to know how she became Titania. 03:25:12.719 --> 03:25:15.360 Why is that beef there with Jen Walters? 03:25:15.840 --> 03:25:19.200 So I even wrote down here, this is just my just to throw it out there. 03:25:19.280 --> 03:25:39.440 Um, I know I haven't given you a chance to say you're casting wins yet, but for my missed opportunity, I added in there the um for the villain, I would have made it where Titania is the influencer who was experimenting on using a derivative of the Hulk's blood from the leader, but he could not make it as perfect as the Hulk, and then he sees She-Hulk. 03:25:39.760 --> 03:25:52.159 And so he sends her out into the world to continue being an influencer as a minion of his, which would make her almost like an enforcer slash um well, bad guy. 03:25:52.239 --> 03:26:04.079 This actually would have made her more of a tragic villain, and her insecurity of of which would motivate her more, would help her lash out and her always wanting center of attention because that's what influencers really are like. 03:26:04.239 --> 03:26:09.520 They want, they want all the lights on them because they want the more numbers, the more whatever, the more sponsors. 03:26:09.680 --> 03:26:18.719 And so he uses that aspect that's very Gen Z right now, but in a tragic way to get to Jen Walters. 03:26:18.959 --> 03:26:27.600 I think that would have been a more compelling version of Titania, where you still could have gotten the villainous part of her, and she's only villained because she's vain. 03:26:28.079 --> 03:26:28.479 That's it. 03:26:28.639 --> 03:26:32.559 Yeah, other than that, she's been made to do this for to get She-Hulk. 03:26:32.719 --> 03:26:32.879 Okay. 03:26:32.959 --> 03:26:34.559 So I think more interesting. 03:26:34.719 --> 03:26:38.000 I'll take I don't have missed opportunities down, so I'll take that as that. 03:26:38.079 --> 03:26:38.719 I'll agree with you. 03:26:38.879 --> 03:26:41.840 That if they gave her that, maybe I'd feel differently about her part then. 03:26:42.079 --> 03:26:42.319 Yeah. 03:26:42.399

--> 03:26:44.959 Yeah, because it just left a very lackluster. 03:26:45.040 --> 03:26:45.200 Yeah. 03:26:45.280 --> 03:26:47.280 Oh, who's your casting win? 03:26:47.360 --> 03:26:50.079 My casting win is gonna go to Tim Roth, so is Blonsky. 03:26:50.159 --> 03:26:52.079 I think he plays these parts real well. 03:26:52.319 --> 03:26:54.159 I like the comedy he brings to it. 03:26:54.239 --> 03:26:56.399 I think he can play these really oddball things. 03:26:56.559 --> 03:27:00.159 I just wish they wrote him as he actually did change and become a good guy. 03:27:00.319 --> 03:27:02.000 Um, I think it would have been more interesting. 03:27:02.319 --> 03:27:06.239 But I I I never uh Tim Roth always delivers. 03:27:06.639 --> 03:27:06.959 Yeah. 03:27:07.120 --> 03:27:09.440 So all right, so uh direction and production. 03:27:09.600 --> 03:27:10.639 Yeah, so these are quick. 03:27:10.719 --> 03:27:13.520 The action, CGI is it's low budget. 03:27:13.680 --> 03:27:15.760 Uh the music, nah, it's okay. 03:27:15.920 --> 03:27:17.520 Uh the directing style of vision. 03:27:17.600 --> 03:27:19.280 I mean, there's a lot of different directors here. 03:27:19.440 --> 03:27:21.920 Uh, I don't see a vision because there's no through theme. 03:27:22.079 --> 03:27:22.719 There is no vision. 03:27:22.959 --> 03:27:28.559 So I feel like nobody really sat down and really thought of a really cool, interesting thing that really tie in here. 03:27:28.719 --> 03:27:36.159 Um, I will say though, it was very creative cinematography-wise, and it is fun to watch because it's not bland. 03:27:36.399 --> 03:27:36.719 Yeah. 03:27:36.879 --> 03:27:38.319 So that's that's what I'll give it. 03:27:38.399 --> 03:27:38.559 Yeah. 03:27:39.680 --> 03:27:41.360 I agree with a lot of what you're saying. 03:27:41.520 --> 03:27:44.319 The the cinematography and visuals are okay. 03:27:44.559 --> 03:27:46.719 The direction style and vision, there is none. 03:27:46.799 --> 03:27:47.120 Yeah. 03:27:47.360 --> 03:27:51.280 Um, action quality when you do get it, is not bad. 03:27:51.440 --> 03:27:58.959 It's just when you combine that because it is a She-Hulk with the CGI, it it gets because of the TV show. 03:27:59.040 --> 03:28:01.280 Now, this was a a a movie. 03:28:02.000 --> 03:28:08.159 I would hold this to a higher standard because like we've seen what Hulk looks like in a movie, you know. 03:28:08.319 --> 03:28:11.200 Uh, so the C She-Hulk in the movie would be much different. 03:28:11.360 --> 03:28:15.520 But here it's more like a glorified CW type CGI. 03:28:15.920 --> 03:28:19.840 Better than CW, but not where we would have expected it. 03:28:20.239 --> 03:28:22.479 And the best action we get is with Daredevil in it. 03:28:22.559 --> 03:28:24.879 So it's like that episode. 03:28:24.959 --> 03:28:25.120 Yeah. 03:28:25.200 --> 03:28:25.360 Yeah. 03:28:25.680 --> 03:28:30.239 I mean, the first episode had fun stuff in it, but like Yeah, and I do like her fight with Titania at the wedding. 03:28:30.559 --> 03:28:36.639 I thought there was some action there, but it's it's also so brief, and I think they did that on purpose because of the CGI. 03:28:36.879 --> 03:28:41.360 But anyways, um let's see music. 03:28:41.520 --> 03:28:51.840 I didn't mind the music myself because it it felt it felt more like of what this show was giving you the vibe to feel, this yada yada yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda. 03:28:52.799 --> 03:28:56.799 So yeah, that's that's my best Meg in the Stallion impression, guys. 03:28:56.959 --> 03:28:57.920 Um, bad. 03:29:00.319 --> 03:29:02.079 So hot takes. 03:29:02.559 --> 03:29:03.440 I have two. 03:29:04.399 --> 03:29:10.000 Um if the MCU didn't exist, the show actually probably would have been a hit. 03:29:10.559 --> 03:29:17.120 We'd have been like, hey, we're getting Marvel stuff in a weird, funny comedy TV show and it's Hulk things, that's cool. 03:29:17.360 --> 03:29:22.399 But in the context of anything else around it that is ever superhero shows or anything, this show sucks. 03:29:22.639 --> 03:29:26.639 So yeah, without the MCU, this show actually isn't so bad. 03:29:26.879 --> 03:29:27.680 I agree with that, Hot. 03:29:28.079 --> 03:29:37.440 Um, and I'll be honest, if you want to fix this show, a season two called She Hulk and Daredevil would do it. 03:29:37.840 --> 03:29:43.600 And hire the people that wrote that one episode and say, make a season of these two doing their thing. 03:29:43.760 --> 03:29:44.159 I agree. 03:29:44.319 --> 03:29:50.879 And let him bring the darkness, her bring the silly and the sexy, and have the courtroom stuff back and forth and the banter and fun. 03:29:51.040 --> 03:29:54.159 And I think you'd have exactly the kind of show we really wanted to have. 03:29:54.319 --> 03:29:54.639 Yeah. 03:29:54.799 --> 03:29:55.680 I agree. 03:29:55.920 --> 03:29:56.879 I agree with that. 03:29:57.040 --> 03:30:05.760 Uh, my hot take is for me, because this is one of the shows I was anticipating, and then I got disappointed after I watched it when it first came out. 03:30:05.920 --> 03:30:12.639 And then every once in a while, when I just want to throw something on that I don't have to think about, I and it's Marvel, I could put something like this on. 03:30:12.879 --> 03:30:15.120 I actually wrote this down this hot take. 03:30:15.200 --> 03:30:16.879 This show is like comfort food for me. 03:30:17.520 --> 03:30:17.840 Okay. 03:30:18.239 --> 03:30:24.719 So, like it I don't take it too seriously now because now I realize you don't have to take it too seriously. 03:30:24.879 --> 03:30:27.520 And so I kind of wish there was a season two. 03:30:27.600 --> 03:30:29.840 I don't wish season two was exactly like season one. 03:30:29.920 --> 03:30:35.600 I do wish they fixed some of the things in season two to keep it going and make it more interesting, like you said. 03:30:35.920 --> 03:30:49.520 But um, for what we got of it right now, I um there's a lot of missed opportunities

in the show that makes me want to fix it, but it's like comfort food now. 03:30:49.600 --> 03:30:50.159 I'll just put it on. 03:30:50.399 --> 03:30:50.959 I know how you feel. 03:30:51.040 --> 03:30:52.479 Uh, there's a lot of shows I've found. 03:30:52.559 --> 03:30:58.399 There's I've had a handful of shows I've found that I watch it and part of me goes, Why do I like this show? 03:30:58.639 --> 03:31:00.319 And it's like, oh, it's just comfort food. 03:31:00.479 --> 03:31:00.639 Yeah. 03:31:00.719 --> 03:31:00.879 Yeah. 03:31:00.959 --> 03:31:04.559 It's like I want to love it, and it's not the quality's not there enough to love it. 03:31:04.719 --> 03:31:04.959 Yeah. 03:31:05.120 --> 03:31:06.799 But it's fun enough to put on and watch. 03:31:06.959 --> 03:31:07.360 Yep. 03:31:07.600 --> 03:31:08.239 I get you. 03:31:08.319 --> 03:31:12.719 I don't know if I feel the exact same way about this show particularly, but I know what you're trying to describe. 03:31:12.959 --> 03:31:16.719 I think for me, it's like the difference between home improvement and last man standing. 03:31:16.879 --> 03:31:17.120 Ah. 03:31:17.440 --> 03:31:23.360 Where like, I'm not saying last man's standing is bad, but it doesn't nearly hit the the marks that home improvement did. 03:31:23.760 --> 03:31:23.920 Right? 03:31:24.000 --> 03:31:24.639 Does that make sense? 03:31:24.799 --> 03:31:25.040 Yep. 03:31:25.200 --> 03:31:31.840 So like when I watch Last Man Standing, it's almost too gimmicky and fun, and I'm fine with it because I can watch it. 03:31:32.000 --> 03:31:36.159 But home improvement, you you get feels more than you do in the other one. 03:31:36.399 --> 03:31:37.360 And if on purpose. 03:31:37.600 --> 03:31:38.159 You know what I mean? 03:31:38.319 --> 03:31:38.719 Makes sense. 03:31:38.799 --> 03:31:38.959 Yeah. 03:31:39.040 --> 03:31:42.000 I guess how you actually feel about the Men in Black movies. 03:31:42.559 --> 03:31:46.319 They're not really that good, but they're good because it's easy to watch. 03:31:46.399 --> 03:31:46.959 You know what I mean? 03:31:47.120 --> 03:31:48.879 Like, especially that first one. 03:31:49.120 --> 03:31:51.760 And that third one, you ever see Men in Black 3? 03:31:51.920 --> 03:31:52.319 Yeah. 03:31:52.639 --> 03:31:53.600 What a good moment. 03:31:53.920 --> 03:31:54.639 Like, what happened? 03:31:54.799 --> 03:31:56.319 Then they just stopped making them like, okay. 03:31:56.559 --> 03:31:58.479 Anyways, third one was great. 03:31:58.879 --> 03:32:00.479 Josh Brown is Tom Millie Jones. 03:32:00.559 --> 03:32:02.239 Anyway, so good. 03:32:02.399 --> 03:32:05.680 So let's go on to uh want to do best scene? 03:32:05.840 --> 03:32:06.159 Yep. 03:32:06.319 --> 03:32:06.559 All right. 03:32:06.719 --> 03:32:08.000 Okay, quick fire questions. 03:32:08.159 --> 03:32:08.399 Yeah. 03:32:08.639 --> 03:32:11.440 Best scene is Sheehawk with Matt Murdoch in the courtroom. 03:32:11.680 --> 03:32:12.000 Yep. 03:32:12.239 --> 03:32:13.680 I got the same gloves. 03:32:14.159 --> 03:32:15.680 I should put everything with them. 03:32:16.239 --> 03:32:17.200 Yes, that's so good. 03:32:17.440 --> 03:32:17.840 That's good. 03:32:18.079 --> 03:32:18.559 So yeah. 03:32:18.799 --> 03:32:23.040 Least best scene is that end battle of abomination and the Disney Plus stuff. 03:32:23.680 --> 03:32:24.000 For me. 03:32:24.159 --> 03:32:25.920 It's mainly the Disney Plus stuff. 03:32:26.159 --> 03:32:28.079 The least best scene to me is Kevin. 03:32:28.319 --> 03:32:28.639 Yeah. 03:32:29.440 --> 03:32:30.000 Can't handle it. 03:32:30.319 --> 03:32:32.000 That specific moment is just dumb. 03:32:32.159 --> 03:32:34.159 That is so stupid. 03:32:34.719 --> 03:32:36.559 Um, best villain moment. 03:32:37.680 --> 03:32:41.440 I put intelligentsia screening that thing at the award show. 03:32:41.760 --> 03:32:56.000 Because that is I that is pretty that is pretty low that a villain can do something to publicly humiliate her like that with a private, intimate scene of her while she's trying to accept an award. 03:32:56.159 --> 03:32:57.520 That's a big deal. 03:32:57.840 --> 03:32:59.840 That is, I I this probably better in mine. 03:32:59.920 --> 03:33:03.920 I put the wrecking crew moment there when they attacked her first. 03:33:04.079 --> 03:33:10.959 Only because that was the only time when a villain, part of the villain's said said situation, felt kind of threatening. 03:33:11.440 --> 03:33:13.600 And it realized, oh, there's something else going on here. 03:33:13.840 --> 03:33:17.520 Not that it was done well, but it was definitely like, ooh, there's more to this. 03:33:18.000 --> 03:33:18.559 Yeah. 03:33:19.440 --> 03:33:22.559 And I actually thought it was gonna turn a direction that we were gonna like, but it never did. 03:33:22.639 --> 03:33:23.680 So yeah, right? 03:33:23.840 --> 03:33:25.280 Like, oh no. 03:33:25.760 --> 03:33:28.159 Um, all right, uh, most punchable face. 03:33:28.239 --> 03:33:29.200 I put pug. 03:33:30.079 --> 03:33:31.680 I'm not a fan of pug. 03:33:32.319 --> 03:33:33.280 You're gonna like mine. 03:33:33.520 --> 03:33:36.559 He's he's like, he's like a dog that's always showing his belly. 03:33:36.639 --> 03:33:37.920 He doesn't have any teeth to him. 03:33:38.079 --> 03:33:39.440 I think he's got some value though. 03:33:39.520 --> 03:33:44.239 I he didn't annoy me the way I thought he would this time around. 03:33:44.559 --> 03:33:45.440 I feel you though. 03:33:46.319 --> 03:33:49.200 I feel like he's a guy that's got too much estrogen in his system. 03:33:49.360 --> 03:33:51.520 Like he's been nudist. 03:33:52.159 --> 03:33:53.040 Yes, he's got a problem. 03:33:54.079 --> 03:34:04.000 That could play well later on if you actually I think if you like if he took it up another three notches in a second season, it'd actually be funny. 03:34:04.319 --> 03:34:04.559 Okay. 03:34:04.799 --> 03:34:05.520 Does that make sense? 03:34:05.920 --> 03:34:10.959 I see

potential in Pug, where I don't see potential in some of the others. 03:34:11.440 --> 03:34:16.079 But mine is Lulu, that the friend, the wedding, the bride. 03:34:16.399 --> 03:34:18.000 What an asshole this lady is. 03:34:18.159 --> 03:34:18.559 Oh, yeah. 03:34:18.799 --> 03:34:23.840 I didn't want she to be there, and then all of a sudden, uh, she hooks at my wedding. 03:34:24.079 --> 03:34:26.639 Yeah, that she just needs a punch to the face. 03:34:26.719 --> 03:34:34.399 Like that what that that bride is the most annoying character of this show, and there's a lot of annoying characters in this show. 03:34:34.639 --> 03:34:37.840 Yeah, Lulu needs a good old sock to the head. 03:34:39.040 --> 03:34:39.680 Yeah. 03:34:40.159 --> 03:34:40.479 Okay. 03:34:40.719 --> 03:34:45.280 I know she's divorced now, so that in the last long, probably. 03:34:45.440 --> 03:34:46.319 No, probably not. 03:34:46.479 --> 03:34:46.879 All right. 03:34:46.959 --> 03:34:49.120 Um, one prop you take home. 03:34:49.360 --> 03:34:53.120 I said the intelligentsia merchandise, the mug. 03:34:53.680 --> 03:34:54.000 Oh. 03:34:54.559 --> 03:34:55.600 There's their name on it. 03:34:55.680 --> 03:34:56.879 The intelligence, yeah. 03:34:56.959 --> 03:34:57.040 Yeah. 03:34:57.760 --> 03:34:58.000 Okay. 03:34:58.239 --> 03:35:03.360 I put um I put Shehawk by Titania, the perfume bottle. 03:35:03.520 --> 03:35:04.079 Oh, that's good. 03:35:04.239 --> 03:35:06.239 Oh, I almost yeah, I thought of that too. 03:35:06.399 --> 03:35:06.959 I like that. 03:35:07.120 --> 03:35:07.520 That's good. 03:35:07.680 --> 03:35:08.319 I like that too. 03:35:08.399 --> 03:35:09.280 They both would be great. 03:35:09.520 --> 03:35:09.920 All right. 03:35:10.079 --> 03:35:11.360 Um, let's see. 03:35:11.680 --> 03:35:12.799 Underrated moment. 03:35:13.200 --> 03:35:14.159 I got two. 03:35:15.040 --> 03:35:22.479 One of them I kind of already mentioned during our retrospective, but the casual mention that Sokovia chords are no longer a thing. 03:35:22.719 --> 03:35:33.120 That is that's I've often wondered what happened after Civil War when they uh uh enacted the Sokovia chords, they're all on the run, infinity war, endgame stuff all happened. 03:35:33.200 --> 03:35:35.520 I'm like, that technically is still a thing. 03:35:35.680 --> 03:35:37.440 This show confirms it's over. 03:35:37.680 --> 03:35:41.840 Yeah, I've always assumed that once everybody got snapped, it was like nobody really cared anymore. 03:35:42.000 --> 03:35:49.200 I just wish personally, what an epic Captain America Brave New World would have been if that was part of it. 03:35:49.440 --> 03:35:58.559 Is we're gonna we're gonna get rid of the Sokovia chords and we wanted him to be there in honor of Steve, who couldn't be there, and then crap goes down. 03:35:58.799 --> 03:36:00.159 You know what I mean? 03:36:00.799 --> 03:36:02.639 I think that would have been kind of cool. 03:36:02.959 --> 03:36:10.799 Well, you got an interesting movie in the work in there that we went to work on and get back to you about because I think that could have been better with that included. 03:36:11.120 --> 03:36:14.879 I mean, it does sound a little too much like Incredibles 2, so they wouldn't be able to do that. 03:36:15.120 --> 03:36:17.120 But um Incredibles 2. 03:36:17.360 --> 03:36:19.360 The Pixar animated movie. 03:36:19.440 --> 03:36:21.360 That's basically what what happened in that one. 03:36:21.520 --> 03:36:23.920 But pardon me, they could rewrite it. 03:36:24.159 --> 03:36:25.040 You could do it differently, though. 03:36:25.200 --> 03:36:30.159 Yeah, just the concept of having it involved, I think could make a big a big difference, right? 03:36:30.799 --> 03:36:35.440 Yeah, I I think that's interesting that they never do touch back on the Socoria chords. 03:36:35.600 --> 03:36:39.280 Because I'm not gonna lie to you, I think we're gonna hear it again when we get to the mutant saga. 03:36:40.719 --> 03:36:42.719 Like reviving it for a more federal level. 03:36:43.280 --> 03:36:47.680 I think they're gonna say we have something better than the Socoria chords, and it's gonna be mutant registration. 03:36:47.840 --> 03:36:48.319 Yeah. 03:36:48.559 --> 03:36:48.959 Yep. 03:36:49.120 --> 03:36:49.440 Yeah. 03:36:49.840 --> 03:36:50.639 I hear you. 03:36:50.799 --> 03:36:51.760 But yeah, there's that. 03:36:51.840 --> 03:36:57.040 And then the second underrated moment is that Bruce uses She-Hulk's blood to heal himself from that snap. 03:36:57.600 --> 03:37:10.719 So when they were in the car together, he made the regulator and he said he he did it not only to bring himself into human form from having to be smart hawk all the time, but it might help with his healing process. 03:37:10.799 --> 03:37:12.239 But he still was in the sling. 03:37:12.399 --> 03:37:19.360 And then when you saw him again, he had the sling off, and he says to her, Your blood healed me. 03:37:20.799 --> 03:37:25.840 So Bruce Banner found a cure for immortality for the Hulks. 03:37:26.079 --> 03:37:28.799 Whenever one of them gets hurt, they just have the other one's blood. 03:37:29.040 --> 03:37:30.799 And anybody can just be a Hulk. 03:37:31.120 --> 03:37:33.840 That's so what are we doing here? 03:37:34.799 --> 03:37:36.319 How do we beat Doom? 03:37:36.639 --> 03:37:38.000 Everybody Hulk up. 03:37:38.639 --> 03:37:41.200 They're all just drinking Bruce Banner's blood. 03:37:42.559 --> 03:37:49.920 Well, there's a fun fact, by the way, it's playing in the background now that bad episode of uh She-Hulk trying to get to Kevin. 03:37:50.319 --> 03:37:57.840 This actually was, I don't know if it was actually filmed film there, but everything there is exactly what the offices look like. 03:37:58.079 --> 03:38:03.120 So if anyone is curious, I don't think that iScanner is actually there. 03:38:03.360 --> 03:38:05.440 But I think it's a regular door, y'all. 03:38:05.600 --> 03:38:12.079 But from my

understanding, I think all the replicas and the murals and all that stuff is exactly what Marvel Studios looks like. 03:38:12.239 --> 03:38:13.680 This is the worst of this. 03:38:13.760 --> 03:38:14.479 This is so bad. 03:38:14.799 --> 03:38:15.280 It's so bad. 03:38:15.360 --> 03:38:15.920 It's so bad. 03:38:16.000 --> 03:38:17.120 Anyways, it's all bad. 03:38:17.200 --> 03:38:19.680 I can't believe we talked long enough to see the whole show. 03:38:20.479 --> 03:38:21.120 It's not good. 03:38:21.200 --> 03:38:22.559 Let's we gotta have this thing. 03:38:22.719 --> 03:38:22.879 Okay. 03:38:23.280 --> 03:38:24.319 So what's your underrated moment? 03:38:24.559 --> 03:38:25.120 Underrated moment. 03:38:25.200 --> 03:38:27.440 I'm gonna say the supervillain group therapy scene. 03:38:27.600 --> 03:38:34.399 I think that that is one of those moments where you could have really touched home on this whole what about forgiveness and all that. 03:38:34.799 --> 03:38:40.399 So I just I just I think just raised an interesting question that just unfortunately doesn't get picked up, but I I think it's underrated. 03:38:40.639 --> 03:38:40.879 Okay. 03:38:41.040 --> 03:38:42.079 Overrated moment. 03:38:42.639 --> 03:38:45.200 Uh I'm just gonna say it's the twerking. 03:38:45.680 --> 03:38:45.840 Okay. 03:38:46.239 --> 03:38:47.600 Everybody always goes to that. 03:38:47.760 --> 03:38:49.360 It's either we love it or we hate it. 03:38:49.680 --> 03:38:50.799 Like I said, I'm indifferent. 03:38:50.959 --> 03:38:52.239 Stop talking about it. 03:38:52.479 --> 03:38:52.959 Yeah. 03:38:53.280 --> 03:38:53.600 Okay. 03:38:53.760 --> 03:38:55.360 I put all the lawyering. 03:38:55.840 --> 03:38:56.079 Yeah. 03:38:56.319 --> 03:39:01.520 Because we are promised lawyering and at times it delivers, but too often it's a good thing. 03:39:01.680 --> 03:39:03.600 I mean, it's your incorporate once in a while. 03:39:03.760 --> 03:39:04.000 Yeah. 03:39:05.520 --> 03:39:08.479 But even then, some of that is a little too comedic when you're in there. 03:39:08.639 --> 03:39:11.200 Like it's like there's no way a judge is taking any of this seriously. 03:39:11.360 --> 03:39:11.440 Right. 03:39:11.680 --> 03:39:14.639 So, anyways, um, uh funniest moment. 03:39:14.959 --> 03:39:16.639 Daredevil's walk of shame. 03:39:16.959 --> 03:39:18.000 I love that. 03:39:18.239 --> 03:39:19.040 Yeah, me too. 03:39:19.280 --> 03:39:20.959 Oh, I should have put that. 03:39:21.120 --> 03:39:30.399 I I put what Nikki says at the end, actually, of the this last episode when Titania busts through the the wall, she says, Doesn't that bitch ever use a back door? 03:39:31.120 --> 03:39:32.319 I'm like, that is true. 03:39:32.399 --> 03:39:34.399 She does bust in all over the place. 03:39:34.639 --> 03:39:37.280 Anyways, um, most emotional moment. 03:39:37.600 --> 03:39:51.680 Um, I and believe it or not, it's gonna be when Jennifer opens up at that the retreat with Belanski and talks about the whole

relatability and connects to with the villains about dealing with in the Yep, I think it's Yes, that's mine too. 03:39:51.840 --> 03:39:52.159 Yep. 03:39:52.319 --> 03:39:53.040 Yeah, I agree. 03:39:53.120 --> 03:39:54.319 All right, final scores, y'all. 03:39:54.399 --> 03:39:55.280 Let's get through this guy. 03:39:55.360 --> 03:39:55.600 Yeah. 03:39:55.760 --> 03:39:59.760 So multi first minute uh meter out of two. 03:40:00.159 --> 03:40:00.879 What's the story for you? 03:40:01.040 --> 03:40:01.840 It's a 0.5. 03:40:02.399 --> 03:40:03.760 Okay, I put a one. 03:40:04.399 --> 03:40:05.840 It could have gotten more. 03:40:05.920 --> 03:40:07.040 Anyways, uh characters. 03:40:07.200 --> 03:40:07.680 That's a one. 03:40:08.000 --> 03:40:08.799 It's a one for me. 03:40:08.959 --> 03:40:09.840 Action and visuals. 03:40:10.079 --> 03:40:10.319 One. 03:40:10.479 --> 03:40:11.760 It's a one for me. 03:40:12.719 --> 03:40:13.600 Missed my page. 03:40:13.680 --> 03:40:14.239 Sorry, y'all. 03:40:14.399 --> 03:40:15.360 Emotion and stakes? 03:40:15.520 --> 03:40:15.840 Zero. 03:40:16.000 --> 03:40:17.280 Yeah, I put 0.5. 03:40:18.079 --> 03:40:20.079 Uh rewatchability and MCU impact. 03:40:20.479 --> 03:40:21.120 It's zero. 03:40:21.280 --> 03:40:24.479 I don't think it's gonna impact the MCU at all, and I don't want to watch it again. 03:40:24.799 --> 03:40:26.959 Because it's a comfort food for me, I put it for one. 03:40:27.200 --> 03:40:27.440 Gotcha. 03:40:27.680 --> 03:40:29.600 But I don't think it's gonna impact the MCU at all. 03:40:29.680 --> 03:40:30.639 So this is just one. 03:40:30.879 --> 03:40:32.479 Final score for you. 03:40:32.799 --> 03:40:36.879 I think I underappreciated it when we first saw it. 03:40:37.120 --> 03:40:39.840 I do think there's potential to fix this. 03:40:40.000 --> 03:40:42.159 I'm gonna give it a solid four. 03:40:42.399 --> 03:40:45.920 I went up a half a point since we've been talking. 03:40:46.239 --> 03:40:46.559 Okay. 03:40:46.879 --> 03:40:49.520 Well, guys, mine is a four as well. 03:40:49.680 --> 03:40:50.079 Interesting. 03:40:50.239 --> 03:40:55.280 So the official Goodell Multiverse score for She-Hulk, attorney at law, is a four out of ten. 03:40:55.680 --> 03:40:55.920 Yep. 03:40:56.000 --> 03:40:57.680 I just think there's so much potential here. 03:40:57.920 --> 03:41:00.000 So it's just too bad we got this. 03:41:00.159 --> 03:41:01.280 And yeah. 03:41:01.680 --> 03:41:02.799 Yeah, I agree. 03:41:02.959 --> 03:41:04.879 All right, so we're not done yet, guys. 03:41:04.959 --> 03:41:05.120 Nope. 03:41:05.280 --> 03:41:06.799 We got one more thing we want to talk about. 03:41:07.120 --> 03:41:07.920 What is it, Ike? 03:41:08.079 --> 03:41:14.479 We're gonna go into our main retrospective, guys, and we're gonna talk about the marvels. 03:41:15.920 --> 03:41:17.760 Apologize from the start. 03:41:24.079 --> 03:41:27.360 Okay, everybody, we are on to the main event. 03:41:27.520 --> 03:41:34.399 The thing

you've all been waiting for, that you listen to us every week, watch us every week, and you're like, what are they gonna talk about next? 03:41:34.559 --> 03:41:36.559 We're talking about the Marvels. 03:41:37.440 --> 03:41:47.760 Oh boy! So, guys, yeah, I'll give you a little bit of a history behind the film and we'll jump right into this guy, okay? 03:41:48.000 --> 03:41:52.479 So, The Marvels, released November 10th, 2023. 03:41:52.799 --> 03:41:58.000 Main casts include Bree Larson, Tyona Paris, Iman Vellani, Samuel L. 03:41:58.079 --> 03:42:03.120 Jackson, Park Soo Jun, and Zol Ashton. 03:42:03.680 --> 03:42:04.319 Yeah. 03:42:04.719 --> 03:42:16.399 So, uh The Marvels was a particularly ambitious Okay, is it ambitious follow-up uh to three separate MCU storylines. 03:42:16.559 --> 03:42:16.799 Oh wow. 03:42:16.959 --> 03:42:24.079 Uh Carol Danver's Journey from Captain Marvel, Maha Rambeau's Introduction from WandaVision, and Kamala Khan's debut in Ms. 03:42:24.239 --> 03:42:24.879 Marvel. 03:42:25.520 --> 03:42:31.840 Directed by Nia Dakasa, the film brought the three heroes together through an unusual power switching mechanic. 03:42:32.079 --> 03:42:37.840 Whichever one uses their powers, she can suddenly swap places with another one or two. 03:42:38.239 --> 03:42:49.360 Um the concept gave Marvel an opportunity to combine three very different personalities and superhero types while building on a cosmic mythology established in earlier films. 03:42:49.520 --> 03:42:54.079 It was also the first MCU theatrical movie directed by a black woman. 03:42:54.399 --> 03:42:56.239 Why is that relevant in our history? 03:42:56.399 --> 03:42:58.000 Doesn't that doesn't matter. 03:42:58.159 --> 03:42:59.840 Doesn't that doesn't matter. 03:43:00.079 --> 03:43:01.200 Anyways. 03:43:02.000 --> 03:43:06.159 Um, but the Casa was also one of the youngest directors of Marvel had. 03:43:06.319 --> 03:43:07.120 Okay, cool. 03:43:07.280 --> 03:43:16.159 Um the film story began in January 2020 when Megan McDonnell, who had worked on WandaVision, was hired to write the screenplay. 03:43:18.239 --> 03:43:18.879 Wow. 03:43:19.520 --> 03:43:21.600 She worked on that masterpiece? 03:43:22.719 --> 03:43:23.040 Okay. 03:43:23.360 --> 03:43:28.559 Uh Nia Da Casa was brought in a director a year later after the success of Candyman in 2021. 03:43:28.879 --> 03:43:41.040 DaCasa explained that the original concept already um included the three hero switching places, but she wanted to bring the emotional themes of family, belonging, and finding a home to the forefront. 03:43:41.200 --> 03:43:53.200 She saw the Khan family as a particularly important because their close relationships could help Carol understand that being a hero did not mean having to carry every burden alone. 03:43:55.600 --> 03:44:02.319 The screenplay eventually involved McDonnell, DaCasa, Elisa uh Karzik, and Zeb Wells. 03:44:02.559 --> 03:44:04.079 Four different people right now, I think. 03:44:04.239 --> 03:44:05.520 It's now it makes sense. 03:44:05.840 --> 03:44:21.440 The the yeah, the principal photographer photography, I'm sorry, began in early July 2021 and wrapped in May 2022, while filming at Pinewood and Long Cross Studios in England, as well as locations in Los Angeles Angeles and Tro Tropia. 03:44:21.680 --> 03:44:23.600 It's it's it's sorry, Tropia? 03:44:23.920 --> 03:44:25.040 Tropia, Italy. 03:44:25.200 --> 03:44:30.879 The production built dozens of sets representing alien planets, spaceships, and the Sabre space station. 03:44:31.200 --> 03:44:44.399 Bree Larson returned as Carol Danvers, Tayona Paris reprised as Monica Rambo after her breakout role in Wandavision, and Mon Vellani returned as Kamala Khan after making her MCU debut in Ms. 03:44:44.559 --> 03:44:45.200 Marvel. 03:44:45.360 --> 03:44:46.319 Uh Samuel L. 03:44:46.479 --> 03:44:55.680 Jackson returned as Nick Fury, while Zane Austin joined as the villain Darben, and South Korean superstar Park So-joon appeared as Prince Yan. 03:44:56.000 --> 03:45:01.040 At the time, Larson had already established herself as an Oscar-winning actress and major franchise lead. 03:45:01.200 --> 03:45:06.559 Paris was gaining recognition through um Marvel and Can Wait. 03:45:06.799 --> 03:45:09.360 Paris was gaining recognition through Marvel and Candyman? 03:45:09.600 --> 03:45:10.879 She was in that too. 03:45:11.920 --> 03:45:14.559 I mean, I I think so. 03:45:14.719 --> 03:45:19.360 I think she played the main part uh opposite of the guy who becomes Candyman. 03:45:19.680 --> 03:45:23.440 I remember that movie, and it's good until the last six minutes. 03:45:23.680 --> 03:45:24.239 Oh boy. 03:45:24.399 --> 03:45:25.680 Okay, guys, unfortunately. 03:45:26.159 --> 03:45:27.680 Um, let's see. 03:45:29.200 --> 03:45:37.280 Uh Velani is still relatively new to Hollywood, and Jackson was simultaneously involved in the production of this movie and Secret Invasion. 03:45:38.479 --> 03:45:39.920 We'll get to that later. 03:45:40.239 --> 03:45:43.920 Um the villain selection is especially interesting. 03:45:44.159 --> 03:45:49.520 Dar Ben is a relatively obscure character from Marvel Comics, originally a male Kree general. 03:45:49.680 --> 03:45:56.319 The filmmakers gender swapped the character and built a new motivation around the destruction of Hala, the Kree homeworld. 03:45:56.479 --> 03:46:04.479 DaCasa explained that the team first established what they wanted uh the villain to accomplish before deciding exactly who the villain should be. 03:46:04.639 --> 03:46:13.760 Since the film explored the idea of home and family, they wanted the antagonists' motivations to be um to connect directly to the Kree's desperate need to survival. 03:46:13.840 --> 03:46:18.079 Uh, even if that meant stealing resources and destroying other worlds. 03:46:18.319 --> 03:46:26.239 Producer Mary Lavonis uh also explained that they wanted to cast the coolest possible performer for the role. 03:46:26.479 -->

03:46:33.760 And DaCosta had developed a strong connection with Ashton after meeting her during COVID-19. 03:46:34.000 --> 03:46:45.120 Ashton was also consider considerable as I'm sorry, Ashton was given considerable room to develop a character who had relatively little established comic book history. 03:46:45.280 --> 03:46:48.799 Did you know she also is the girlfriend of Tom Hiddleston? 03:46:49.120 --> 03:46:49.600 Really? 03:46:49.840 --> 03:46:50.159 Yep. 03:46:50.399 --> 03:46:51.600 And this is the villain, right? 03:46:51.760 --> 03:46:52.959 This is the villain. 03:46:53.680 --> 03:46:54.319 Yep. 03:46:55.040 --> 03:47:00.079 So we kind of know how she got her foot in the door a little bit. 03:47:01.360 --> 03:47:01.760 Yeah. 03:47:01.920 --> 03:47:03.760 Um, I mean, come on, why not? 03:47:03.920 --> 03:47:06.319 If I was dating an Avenger, pfft, yeah. 03:47:06.559 --> 03:47:11.520 Mention my name to Kevin Feige all the time, so there's no no blaming, or this is not bad, guys. 03:47:11.680 --> 03:47:20.639 Anyways, at release, the Marvels was part of phase five, firing following Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3, the upcoming Secret Invasion show, and Loki Season 2. 03:47:20.799 --> 03:47:28.319 Marvel was still building the multiverse saga, but the film itself was more focused on connecting existing characters than advancing the King storyline. 03:47:28.559 --> 03:47:31.440 It also had some important franchise implications. 03:47:31.680 --> 03:47:40.079 Kamala's enthusiasm for superheroes helped establish a possibly younger superhero team, uh, even teasing the mid-credit scene. 03:47:40.239 --> 03:47:48.959 Also, in the mid-credit scene, Alternate Universe featuring Monica's mother, Maria Rambeau, as binary, alongside Kelsey Grammar returning as Beast. 03:47:49.120 --> 03:47:53.920 This was another significant step toward connecting the X-Men to the MCU. 03:47:54.879 --> 03:48:04.959 One of the strangest and most entertaining sequences was the flirting evacuation scene, in which Nick Fury and the Saber crew escape through a swarm of alien cats. 03:48:06.159 --> 03:48:08.879 Um, let's see, la la lilulu. 03:48:09.360 --> 03:48:14.959 Um right, I'm sorry, I skipped a couple things because we're gonna be talking about them. 03:48:15.040 --> 03:48:21.520 This uh Park Jo-joon as a major South Korean star before joining the MCU. 03:48:21.680 --> 03:48:26.319 His cast casting generated considerable excitement among international fans. 03:48:26.559 --> 03:48:32.479 The production also became controversial as it was one of the unusually long development and post-production. 03:48:32.639 --> 03:48:35.600 The early release date was moved four times. 03:48:35.760 --> 03:48:44.319 The release date, I should say, was moved four times, extending what the casa originally expected to be roughly two-year commitment into a three and a half year process. 03:48:44.559 --> 03:48:51.840 Reports raised eyebrows when she moved to the United Kingdom to prepare for her next film, HEDA, while the Marvels was still being completed. 03:48:52.079 --> 03:49:01.760 Some reporting portrayed this as a director leaving the production, but the casa pushed back on that interpretation, explaining that she and Marvel had arranged for her to finish post-production remotely. 03:49:01.920 --> 03:49:06.879 She said the movie was already far enough along that the creative team understood her vision. 03:49:07.280 --> 03:49:07.920 What? 03:49:09.040 --> 03:49:09.680 What? 03:49:10.239 --> 03:49:12.559 Does that sound normal at all? 03:49:14.079 --> 03:49:17.920 That's just a nice way of saying get her the hell out of here. 03:49:18.799 --> 03:49:20.239 Oh my goodness. 03:49:20.559 --> 03:49:25.840 It worries me of the Batman getting a similar treatment. 03:49:26.319 --> 03:49:30.079 But that's a conversation for another time as that's developing, guys. 03:49:30.639 --> 03:49:32.879 At least he's going home because there's something wrong at home. 03:49:33.040 --> 03:49:33.200 Yeah. 03:49:33.600 --> 03:49:35.040 She's just moved on to another project. 03:49:35.200 --> 03:49:35.840 Yep. 03:49:36.239 --> 03:49:36.879 Yeah. 03:49:37.200 --> 03:49:37.840 All right. 03:49:38.319 --> 03:49:39.840 Uh let's see. 03:49:40.799 --> 03:49:52.559 The film also underwent additional photography and editing changes, although there's no officially confirmed radically different alternative ending that would have transformed the story. 03:49:53.280 --> 03:50:03.440 Financially, the Marvel's grossed approximately$206.1 million worldwide against the reported budget of$270 million. 03:50:04.799 --> 03:50:19.040 Some later financial reporting put its production costs considerably higher, so the$270 million figure should be treated as an estimate and not the final accounting. 03:50:19.280 --> 03:50:31.040 Either way, the theatrical revenue fell well below the production cost before marketing and distribution expenses, making it one of Marvel Studios' biggest box office disappointments. 03:50:31.280 --> 03:50:37.840 Rotten Tomatoes lists the movie as 63% from critics and 79% from audiences. 03:50:40.879 --> 03:50:42.079 Yeah, me too. 03:50:44.479 --> 03:50:55.040 Critics generally appreciate the chemistry between Larson, Paris, and Vellani, along with the energetic action and humor, but criticize the villain, screenplay, and uneven pacing. 03:50:55.840 --> 03:51:04.000 Ultimately, the Marvels was an interesting experiment in bringing together three characters whose stories had been developed across both theatrical movies and Disney Plus television. 03:51:04.159 --> 03:51:13.520 Its biggest strengths were the chemistry among its leading actresses, its colorful visual ideas, and its willingness to embrace a lighter, stranger side of Marvel. 03:51:13.760 --> 03:51:21.760 Its commercial failure, however, demonstrated that connecting multiple Disney Plus storylines did not necessarily translate into theatrical success. 03:51:21.920 --> 03:51:39.200 For

the MCU, it was another ambitious phase 5 project that introduced potential future storylines, including a possible young Avengers team, and a stronger connection to the X-Men, even as Marvel began facing questions about the franchise fatigue and the direction of its larger universe. 03:51:40.239 --> 03:51:42.479 Ike, what is the official synopsis? 03:51:44.000 --> 03:51:55.200 Carol Danvers gets her powers entangled with those of Kamala Khan and Monica Ramber, forcing them to work together to save the universe. 03:51:55.760 --> 03:51:57.600 That is what this movie is about. 03:51:57.680 --> 03:52:00.159 You wouldn't know it watching it, but that's what it's about. 03:52:00.399 --> 03:52:00.959 Right. 03:52:01.360 --> 03:52:01.680 Okay. 03:52:02.000 --> 03:52:04.079 I'll read Act One, y'all. 03:52:04.479 --> 03:52:08.719 My gosh, there are so many things that popped up in that history that I'm like. 03:52:09.040 --> 03:52:10.319 I don't even know what to say about it. 03:52:10.479 --> 03:52:13.040 I yeah, I'm I'm at a loss for words. 03:52:13.280 --> 03:52:14.000 How what? 03:52:14.159 --> 03:52:17.520 There's so many problems from the very beginning. 03:52:17.680 --> 03:52:21.200 Anyways, Carol deserved better. 03:52:21.360 --> 03:52:23.600 So, um, what happens in Act One, guys? 03:52:23.840 --> 03:52:34.799 Darben, the new leader of the Kree Empire, unearths a legendary quantum band on a distinct, um, distant planet to restore her dying, resource-depleted homeworld of Hala. 03:52:35.280 --> 03:52:51.760 Her activation of the band punches a hole in space-time, creating a jump point that destabilizes the light-based powers of Carol Danvers, Captain Marvel, Sword Astronaut Monica Rambeau, and teenage Jersey City hero Kamala Khan. 03:52:52.159 --> 03:53:00.079 The three heroes instantly begin involuntarily swapping physical locations whenever they use their ability simultaneously. 03:53:00.319 --> 03:53:19.440 The leads this leads to a chaotic sequence of teleport across the universe spanning Carol's ship, um, sword's orbital station, and the Khan family living room, culminating in an ambush by Darben's forces on a Kree um sorry, on a scroll refugee colony on the planet Tarnax. 03:53:19.760 --> 03:53:35.360 Though Carol, Monica, and Kamala manage to f fight through the um the confusion, Darben uses her weapon to siphon Tarnak's atmosphere to Halla, forcing Nick Fury to evacuate the surviving scrolls to Earth. 03:53:37.600 --> 03:53:37.920 Okay. 03:53:39.600 --> 03:53:40.799 What worked? 03:53:41.440 --> 03:53:44.639 Well Okay. 03:53:45.920 --> 03:53:47.280 Do you want to begin or shall I? 03:53:47.520 --> 03:53:48.159 I'll begin. 03:53:48.479 --> 03:53:48.719 Okay. 03:53:51.840 --> 03:54:07.520 I do I do like the concept that because of the destruction of the Supreme Intelligence, um it kind of did this whole it's supposed to liberate the creed, but it actually didn't, right? 03:54:07.600 --> 03:54:10.559 It it actually created like a power vacuum

in a way. 03:54:10.719 --> 03:54:11.360 Yep. 03:54:11.840 --> 03:54:15.200 Um It starts out as a good theme, I think. 03:54:15.520 --> 03:54:27.040 Um I like the idea that it makes Carol have to like confront this concept that even good intentions have stuffed, there's consequences. 03:54:27.360 --> 03:54:30.159 And sometimes they're bigger and you have to deal with them later, right? 03:54:30.479 --> 03:54:39.040 Um I think there's something to say for the three main characters. 03:54:39.280 --> 03:54:46.479 Uh I like the idea Carol, or uh no, I think Carol kind of represents like the burden of pasts and mistakes. 03:54:46.719 --> 03:54:54.959 Monica kind of represents that, you know, unresolved, hurt, and broken relationships, and Kamala represents the new youthful things coming in, right? 03:54:55.120 --> 03:54:56.479 Like joining. 03:54:56.719 --> 03:55:08.319 Um, but I gotta tell you, I cannot find much about the beginning of this thing that I really cared for. 03:55:10.000 --> 03:55:14.319 And I think we'll jump into more of that. 03:55:14.639 --> 03:55:21.520 I think the positive thing I'll tell you, I think there's a concept here that I enjoy. 03:55:21.920 --> 03:55:23.840 And that feels like it's a marvel. 03:55:24.000 --> 03:55:26.479 It's a it's a it fits in her universe. 03:55:26.799 --> 03:55:29.440 Um at least for act one. 03:55:31.040 --> 03:55:31.520 Yeah. 03:55:31.760 --> 03:55:34.479 Sorry guys, I don't I don't like this beginning. 03:55:34.639 --> 03:55:36.319 It it doesn't hook me. 03:55:36.719 --> 03:55:39.840 So I got more of what doesn't work than I do what does. 03:55:40.159 --> 03:55:42.959 So how do you feel what works for you? 03:55:43.600 --> 03:55:46.559 Because maybe you'll change my mind about a couple things. 03:55:47.600 --> 03:55:51.040 Because I got more to say that I don't like that I do like. 03:55:51.680 --> 03:55:52.000 Okay. 03:55:54.559 --> 03:55:57.600 So what I'll say. 03:55:58.239 --> 03:55:59.440 I like the mystery. 03:55:59.840 --> 03:56:02.000 Some of this is a repeat of what Ike said, by the way. 03:56:02.159 --> 03:56:05.360 I like the the mystery of what happened to to Holla. 03:56:07.760 --> 03:56:10.079 Um I I do know this. 03:56:11.600 --> 03:56:14.239 There's a common trend in phase five. 03:56:14.559 --> 03:56:17.360 This is like our second or third project now. 03:56:17.600 --> 03:56:18.079 Yeah. 03:56:18.559 --> 03:56:21.280 Where actually it is it's the third project. 03:56:21.760 --> 03:56:37.040 Um where they set up an interesting, very interesting, um and most of the time well done previous life mysteries, but the follow-up is not satisfying whatsoever. 03:56:38.879 --> 03:56:49.200 And I say that because you so some of the stuff that we've seen, like Batman the Wash Quantum Mania, the whole Janet in the quantum realm, that's really cool stuff. 03:56:49.520 --> 03:56:51.440 But then what do we see later? 03:56:51.600 --> 03:56:53.360 Oh my gosh, that's horrible. 03:56:53.840 --> 03:56:55.280 This one, same thing. 03:56:55.520 --> 03:57:05.840 Carol going to feel like she's gonna liberate the Cree by destroying their AI intelligence, but they don't know how to survive without it. 03:57:06.000 --> 03:57:15.760 And it causes a civil war that ruins and strips their planet of all the resources where they're actually now more sympathetic people now. 03:57:16.079 --> 03:57:16.959 They're dying. 03:57:17.120 --> 03:57:18.559 Yeah, now they know what it's like. 03:57:18.799 --> 03:57:21.200 And they don't really even touch on that either, though. 03:57:21.440 --> 03:57:23.360 There's only one moment, yeah. 03:57:23.440 --> 03:57:24.159 You know what's happening. 03:57:24.239 --> 03:57:34.079 There's only one real moment where you could feel their sincerity, but the rest of the time it's like, oh, we have to remember the Kree are bad, so you can't make them that sympathetic. 03:57:34.319 --> 03:57:35.920 And I'm like, why not? 03:57:36.479 --> 03:57:42.879 That would have been an interesting point of view, but anyways, we'll talk about what worked, guys. 03:57:43.280 --> 03:57:48.719 Um, let's see. 03:57:50.319 --> 03:57:52.559 I like Dar Ben. 03:57:53.520 --> 03:57:54.479 Oh no. 03:57:55.760 --> 03:57:56.319 Why? 03:57:56.479 --> 03:57:57.760 Let me explain. 03:57:58.559 --> 03:58:04.879 I I is a much more sympathetic villain. 03:58:05.920 --> 03:58:08.159 Oh my gosh, I'm gonna call it one. 03:58:11.120 --> 03:58:12.559 She okay. 03:58:14.719 --> 03:58:25.280 So there's a couple moments in this first act, and um what it actually leads me to my standout moment and it involves her. 03:58:26.879 --> 03:58:31.440 And it's the the moment of her and her people meeting the Cree. 03:58:32.000 --> 03:58:36.000 I'm sorry, they are the Cree, meeting the scrolls on Tarnax. 03:58:36.879 --> 03:58:46.079 You can she sincerely was gonna come to the table and try to met mend bridges just to get the resources that she needs. 03:58:46.159 --> 03:58:53.680 Like there was nothing villainous about it until the very end when she said, I'm gonna do it anyways because you stuck the Annihilator on us. 03:58:54.079 --> 03:59:01.280 If Carol never showed up, part of me wonders how forceful it would have been, or would they have actually made a peace treaty together? 03:59:01.440 --> 03:59:03.360 Because that's what it looked like was happening. 03:59:03.680 --> 03:59:05.520 I think she was I think she was faking it. 03:59:05.680 --> 03:59:08.479 That's what Carol was saying the whole time, is there was a rue. 03:59:08.639 --> 03:59:10.239 There was she was faking it. 03:59:10.559 --> 03:59:20.159 But after you see where they go back to and how relieved the people are, it does encourage her to, of course, do it even if it means being forceful like a Cree would be. 03:59:20.399 --> 03:59:25.200 But part of me thinks that she wasn't that bad of a person. 03:59:26.719 --> 03:59:32.639 I don't like the very end when she when we get there, when we get there,

guys, but she just still decides to hurt them. 03:59:32.879 --> 03:59:35.760 But I think that's when she gets more power hungry. 03:59:35.920 --> 03:59:40.559 But before that, I think she's just someone who's trying to fill in that vacuum and help her people. 03:59:42.479 --> 03:59:48.479 I for me, in my rewatch of it, I'm thinking, did they make their villain their unintentional hero? 03:59:51.520 --> 03:59:52.959 I know we're gonna disagree on that. 03:59:54.000 --> 03:59:56.079 Would you agree that she's better than Powdy Face? 03:59:56.479 --> 03:59:56.959 Or no? 03:59:57.200 --> 03:59:57.440 No. 03:59:57.840 --> 03:59:58.159 No. 03:59:58.399 --> 03:59:58.719 Okay. 03:59:58.799 --> 03:59:59.040 Alright. 03:59:59.200 --> 04:00:00.799 I am curious to hear more about that then. 04:00:01.280 --> 04:00:02.559 At least he was consistent. 04:00:04.959 --> 04:00:05.200 Okay. 04:00:07.760 --> 04:00:11.280 So that's what worked for me in the first episode, the first act. 04:00:11.600 --> 04:00:11.920 Okay. 04:00:12.959 --> 04:00:13.680 Oh my. 04:00:15.920 --> 04:00:17.440 He might not agree with me on this part. 04:00:17.680 --> 04:00:19.200 We're probably gonna still have the same score. 04:00:19.360 --> 04:00:19.920 Oh, probably. 04:00:20.959 --> 04:00:23.040 So what doesn't work? 04:00:23.440 --> 04:00:26.319 Yeah, so let's just start with Darban, okay? 04:00:26.559 --> 04:00:27.920 Um, who the hell? 04:00:28.079 --> 04:00:28.799 What is this? 04:00:29.040 --> 04:00:34.479 It is like a painfully underdeveloped villain, is all this is. 04:00:34.799 --> 04:00:36.239 You give too much credit. 04:00:36.479 --> 04:00:58.719 I understand what you're trying to say, but the truth is, is I think the same thing through the entire movie is there's potential there to be compelling, to be complicated, um, even relatable in the motivation of saving her dying planet and all that. 04:00:59.520 --> 04:01:05.600 But she really is just another angry, vengeful, antagonistic. 04:01:05.840 --> 04:01:07.760 Same old, same old. 04:01:08.079 --> 04:01:19.360 I don't care for these, these villains they have that are like they're trying to do something good for their people, always come off as the worst despicable version of their people possible. 04:01:19.600 --> 04:01:21.120 And that's this this villain. 04:01:21.200 --> 04:01:22.239 That's all this villain is. 04:01:22.399 --> 04:01:27.040 It's the only thing this villain starts out as, and it's the only thing this villain ends as. 04:01:29.200 --> 04:01:36.639 And part of that is like, why doesn't Carol just why don't they just defeat this villain right away before she gets powerful? 04:01:36.719 --> 04:01:37.120 Mm-hmm. 04:01:37.360 --> 04:01:38.879 Like, what's going on here? 04:01:39.120 --> 04:01:39.600 Yep. 04:01:40.000 --> 04:01:42.159 This is this movie should have been 10 minutes long. 04:01:42.399 --> 04:01:44.239 Because she really isn't that powerful. 04:01:44.479 --> 04:01:45.280 That not at all. 04:01:45.440

--> 04:01:46.959 Compared to what these people can do. 04:01:47.120 --> 04:01:47.520 Mm-hmm. 04:01:47.600 --> 04:01:49.280 Just the first moment we can figure this out. 04:01:49.360 --> 04:01:50.000 Let's just get there. 04:01:50.159 --> 04:01:50.719 We got this. 04:01:50.879 --> 04:01:51.200 Mm-hmm. 04:01:51.360 --> 04:01:53.040 And be done with this movie. 04:01:53.440 --> 04:01:54.719 What are we talking about here? 04:01:54.879 --> 04:01:55.280 Mm hmm. 04:01:55.520 --> 04:01:58.239 Oh no, we need sequences of a bunch of more cats. 04:01:58.399 --> 04:02:01.040 Double down on the flerkin because they're Everybody likes that. 04:02:02.000 --> 04:02:03.120 Yeah, what the F. 04:02:03.360 --> 04:02:05.520 You know, it's like Yeah. 04:02:07.680 --> 04:02:13.920 The central conflict of this film has it has no emotional groundwork whatsoever. 04:02:14.959 --> 04:02:19.360 You know, I don't buy the Monica and Carol's relationship. 04:02:19.440 --> 04:02:22.719 It's awkward to a point where it's like, I don't even see where they were friends. 04:02:23.360 --> 04:02:25.840 Like there's no nothing there that's buying that. 04:02:26.639 --> 04:02:30.479 If there is, it's on Monica's side, unfortunately, not for Carol. 04:02:30.879 --> 04:02:34.079 Um else I have written down here. 04:02:34.239 --> 04:02:36.319 Yeah, this power switching thing, guys. 04:02:36.399 --> 04:02:41.520 It it that's a horrible concept. 04:02:42.399 --> 04:02:42.719 Okay. 04:02:43.440 --> 04:02:48.719 The power switching, it kind of took priority over the emotional storytelling. 04:02:49.280 --> 04:02:55.920 Um, the fun power switch that they have is it's so poorly explained. 04:02:56.239 --> 04:03:10.159 And it really is just like some metaphoric gimmick to be used for all three of these people to learn something that ultimately in the end you don't really understand what that is that they gotta learn. 04:03:10.479 --> 04:03:11.840 Oh, we're gonna learn to work together. 04:03:11.920 --> 04:03:13.360 You could have done that in 10 minutes. 04:03:13.520 --> 04:03:17.200 You know, it's like this what they really earn at the end. 04:03:17.280 --> 04:03:19.600 I think only one of them kind of earns anything. 04:03:19.840 --> 04:03:22.959 I mean, and I'll be honest with you, this is this is how I truly feel. 04:03:23.120 --> 04:03:30.959 This first act, this opening act of this movie, this movie feels like it's skipping an entire movie before we get here. 04:03:31.360 --> 04:03:31.680 Right? 04:03:31.920 --> 04:03:43.040 Like we got Monica's journey after one lawn division, we got Carol's uh adventure or her stuff after and what she's been doing after her last appearance, right? 04:03:43.200 --> 04:03:47.680 We got the development of Kamala's superhero powers, you know. 04:03:48.159 --> 04:03:51.520 We we even got the transition from sword to shit to saber. 04:03:51.680 --> 04:04:00.399 Like we are just jumping into a spa like we're in the middle of another thing going on, and there's

a bunch of things that we are not pervy to. 04:04:01.440 --> 04:04:14.799 It feels like a sequel to several different stories that fails to catch us up on anything until we get to the end, and then we still feel like it was kind of a gimmick to get to another storyline. 04:04:15.440 --> 04:04:22.239 So it just but once again, that I'm skipping ahead of Tad, but this is the setup I feel. 04:04:22.479 --> 04:04:29.040 Like this really is just kind of a weird what are we trying to make here? 04:04:29.280 --> 04:04:34.799 I I'm I uh I understand how you feel about the villain, and I want to give it the credit that it deserves. 04:04:35.040 --> 04:04:43.760 I just unfortunately I don't think the rest of the movie supports you feeling that way about her. 04:04:44.959 --> 04:04:49.920 If she was more complicated and relatable, I'd be like, I get it. 04:04:50.159 --> 04:04:51.520 You know, I get it. 04:04:51.760 --> 04:04:53.520 Um, but she's not. 04:04:53.680 --> 04:04:58.399 It's just that typical, oh, my world's destroyed because of something you did. 04:04:58.559 --> 04:05:02.399 Now I'm evil and vengeful, and I'm just gonna be doing that stuff, and it's it. 04:05:02.559 --> 04:05:11.120 There's no redemption, there's no way of there's no way in my mind to look at that villain and think, what if she gets what she wants? 04:05:11.360 --> 04:05:13.600 Is there a happy good person there? 04:05:13.920 --> 04:05:14.399 Right? 04:05:14.719 --> 04:05:15.600 And there's not. 04:05:15.760 --> 04:05:19.360 This is just a bad person and just vengeful and mean. 04:05:19.680 --> 04:05:21.040 Yeah, I'm not impressed. 04:05:21.360 --> 04:05:22.479 I understand how you feel. 04:05:22.639 --> 04:05:24.319 I just I completely disagree though. 04:05:24.399 --> 04:05:26.159 I think you're giving it way too much credit. 04:05:26.479 --> 04:05:27.120 Yeah. 04:05:27.920 --> 04:05:29.520 Well, um, let's see. 04:05:29.680 --> 04:05:31.360 So, what didn't work for me? 04:05:31.680 --> 04:05:33.280 Darben's hammer. 04:05:34.079 --> 04:05:36.319 That thing is glowing purple. 04:05:36.719 --> 04:05:41.680 The okay, so this this hammer staff thing she has is exactly what Ronan had. 04:05:41.840 --> 04:05:42.799 It's the same thing. 04:05:42.959 --> 04:05:46.000 The problem is his never glowed until you put the power stone in it. 04:05:46.159 --> 04:05:46.479 Right. 04:05:46.639 --> 04:05:48.479 This one automatically is glowing purple. 04:05:48.799 --> 04:05:50.399 Does that mean there's a power stone in this thing? 04:05:50.639 --> 04:05:52.719 No, it means they think we're stupid. 04:05:52.879 --> 04:05:54.559 Yes, that's that's why I feel. 04:05:54.719 --> 04:05:56.319 I'm like, what does this mean? 04:05:56.399 --> 04:05:59.120 That does that to meet purple humor is that the other guy. 04:05:59.920 --> 04:06:04.319 Yeah, but they don't realize the significance of what made that hammer purple to begin with. 04:06:04.399 --> 04:06:05.280 You know what I mean? 04:06:05.600 --> 04:06:08.879 Anyways, yeah, because I'm like, wait a minute. 04:06:08.959 --> 04:06:13.520 If she has a power stone, forget about the quantum ban. 04:06:14.799 --> 04:06:19.040 Like, oh you got a whole other thing going on here, you know what? 04:06:19.600 --> 04:06:22.719 Anyways, uh, so let's see. 04:06:22.879 --> 04:06:25.200 Also, Kamala can fight all of a sudden. 04:06:25.520 --> 04:06:26.079 That's what I mean. 04:06:26.319 --> 04:06:27.200 Where's she been training? 04:06:27.360 --> 04:06:28.639 Yeah, where's that movie? 04:06:28.879 --> 04:06:39.120 Some some of the fighting styles that she does on when they're switching and all that stuff, and she's with Nick Fury on the ship there, and the way she's kicking and flying in the air. 04:06:39.280 --> 04:06:50.959 I'm like, there is no way this little girl from New Jersey, who just became an inhuman, actually can do do this, you know? 04:06:51.200 --> 04:06:52.479 She's not being trained by anybody. 04:06:54.159 --> 04:06:56.000 I I'm I'm I meant what I said. 04:06:56.319 --> 04:07:00.239 So look how bad the scene is, it's on the TV right now. 04:07:00.479 --> 04:07:01.920 Oh, them falling. 04:07:02.399 --> 04:07:03.440 Oh my lord. 04:07:03.600 --> 04:07:05.200 Okay, anyways, anyways, guys. 04:07:05.280 --> 04:07:09.120 So, um also uh I agree with you. 04:07:09.200 --> 04:07:11.920 I don't understand this beef between Carol and Monica. 04:07:12.719 --> 04:07:18.719 So they later explain, I believe more in act two, Monica explains that I just wanted you back. 04:07:18.799 --> 04:07:22.719 I was looking for Aunt Carol, and I'm thinking, how selfish are you? 04:07:22.799 --> 04:07:26.799 You know your Aunt Carol as Captain Marvel saving the frickin universe. 04:07:26.959 --> 04:07:29.440 Just be like, I'm glad I get to see you again. 04:07:29.520 --> 04:07:30.319 You know what I mean? 04:07:30.559 --> 04:07:32.639 Instead, she's got this chip on her shoulder. 04:07:32.719 --> 04:07:34.079 She had it since WandaVision. 04:07:34.159 --> 04:07:35.200 And I'm like, why? 04:07:35.360 --> 04:07:36.319 What's the history there? 04:07:36.479 --> 04:07:37.040 What's going on? 04:07:37.200 --> 04:07:40.559 Then you find out this is the history, be like, that's pathetic. 04:07:40.799 --> 04:07:41.840 That's pathetic. 04:07:42.079 --> 04:07:45.680 It's the whole you can't be Spider-Man if you want to be with me, bullshit. 04:07:46.000 --> 04:07:48.799 Yes, that's it's so stupid. 04:07:49.040 --> 04:07:50.719 That's that's really poor. 04:07:50.959 --> 04:07:52.000 That's poor writing. 04:07:52.959 --> 04:07:55.920 Sorry, lazy writing, lazy writing, yes, yes. 04:07:56.079 --> 04:07:58.959 Also, there are inconsistencies with this premise. 04:07:59.280 --> 04:08:12.319 If they switch places when two or more of them, or two or less, or when two of them at the same time or more of them are using the powers, there are many times they've been using their power simultaneously and they're not switching.

04:08:12.559 --> 04:08:13.200 Right. 04:08:14.319 --> 04:08:18.000 Like, okay, if you're gonna do it, it has to be consistent. 04:08:18.239 --> 04:08:26.159 Did they get bored in the editing room and they're like, we're gonna forget these two parts because we want the action move of this one to match this one better. 04:08:26.319 --> 04:08:27.120 You know what I mean? 04:08:27.440 --> 04:08:30.399 I'm watching this and I'm like, oh no, they should have switched by there. 04:08:30.479 --> 04:08:31.280 Why didn't they switch? 04:08:31.440 --> 04:08:32.559 Oh, they should have switched right there. 04:08:32.639 --> 04:08:33.440 Why didn't they switch? 04:08:33.600 --> 04:08:34.799 Well, good example. 04:08:34.959 --> 04:08:37.920 The scene we just saw a moment ago, them falling in the air. 04:08:38.079 --> 04:08:40.639 Monica's using her powers to fly and catch her. 04:08:40.799 --> 04:08:44.879 Kamala then at the same time uses her powers to make the shield. 04:08:44.959 --> 04:08:47.360 They're both using their powers at the same time. 04:08:47.520 --> 04:08:48.799 Why didn't they switch? 04:08:49.040 --> 04:08:51.760 Yeah, and it would actually look really neat if it's right there. 04:08:52.000 --> 04:08:52.559 It doesn't make sense. 04:08:53.280 --> 04:08:54.079 Well, that's weird, right? 04:08:54.159 --> 04:08:58.959 Yeah, yeah, they could that could have been a really unique visual concept that they never touch on. 04:08:59.200 --> 04:09:02.959 Like it that that part, there's just a lot of inconsistencies there. 04:09:03.120 --> 04:09:03.840 I don't get it. 04:09:04.000 --> 04:09:07.760 Sometimes it works, sometimes it's like, oh, you didn't think about this. 04:09:07.920 --> 04:09:12.319 Why didn't you like they filmed the scene and they didn't realize, oh, that's the premise. 04:09:12.399 --> 04:09:13.360 We had we can't do that. 04:09:13.440 --> 04:09:14.000 You know what I mean? 04:09:14.079 --> 04:09:14.799 That's why I feel like they did. 04:09:15.120 --> 04:09:16.159 That means they can't stop following. 04:09:16.319 --> 04:09:16.639 Oh no. 04:09:16.799 --> 04:09:18.639 Yeah, that yeah, it's lazy writing. 04:09:18.799 --> 04:09:19.040 Yeah. 04:09:19.200 --> 04:09:20.639 So, anyways, that. 04:09:21.440 --> 04:09:24.719 Um, those are the things really that didn't work for me. 04:09:24.959 --> 04:09:34.079 Also, uh, I will need to borrow your phone to look something up because I didn't write it down and I need to use the Google because the Google gives me the answers that I need. 04:09:34.399 --> 04:09:40.079 But um, I can save uh what I'm gonna talk about on it for our second act because it does get into there. 04:09:40.239 --> 04:09:43.280 What's your uh stand-up moment for the first act? 04:09:45.040 --> 04:09:55.360 Um seeing Nick Fury again. 04:09:57.280 --> 04:09:57.600 Okay. 04:09:57.920 --> 04:09:58.159 Yeah. 04:09:58.399 --> 04:10:00.559 I put that Kree Scroll meeting. 04:10:00.719 --> 04:10:01.760 I I did like that. 04:10:01.840

--> 04:10:02.639 And that's the moment. 04:10:04.159 --> 04:10:13.840 I see, and I I'm glad that you at least picked up a couple things while I said at from that moment onward, when she's doing what she's doing on her screen right now, where she's like, I will take it by force and all that stuff. 04:10:14.000 --> 04:10:22.719 Be like, all right, typical villain, yeah-la-la-la-la-la-la-l-lu-lo-loo, like, oh, you know, skeletor! You know, that's what it feels like to me from that point onward. 04:10:22.959 --> 04:10:33.920 But there is some nuance to when she was actually trying to say, I want to put our animosities behind us, I want you to take your rifle place in the Kree Empire, uh, help you relocate your people. 04:10:34.079 --> 04:10:35.920 I just need this, you know? 04:10:36.159 --> 04:10:40.479 Um, that made me think, oh, there's something there that's to be like, there's a good quality. 04:10:40.639 --> 04:10:43.200 Because if this was Ronan, he wouldn't have done any of that. 04:10:43.360 --> 04:10:43.680 Right. 04:10:43.920 --> 04:10:46.239 But she actually was trying to communicate with them. 04:10:46.319 --> 04:10:51.520 It's just when she saw Carol, then it was like, oh, nope, no, no, no, the Annihilator. 04:10:51.680 --> 04:11:00.000 And they they could have kept that if and made what you're saying work real well if there's remorse in her at all. 04:11:00.319 --> 04:11:04.079 But once she goes full-on Annihilator, she just it's it. 04:11:04.239 --> 04:11:08.079 There's no remorse in this person at all going forward, you know what I mean? 04:11:08.159 --> 04:11:14.879 Like, so that's why it's always to me uh makes more sense that Carol's right and they just did this real bad, you know. 04:11:15.040 --> 04:11:16.319 Like, I don't know. 04:11:16.479 --> 04:11:18.000 It's the best way I can describe that. 04:11:18.079 --> 04:11:21.040 So yeah, so um what's your score then for act one? 04:11:21.360 --> 04:11:22.399 Yeah, it's a two. 04:11:22.719 --> 04:11:24.399 I wrote two as well. 04:11:25.840 --> 04:11:27.360 I wrote two as well. 04:11:27.600 --> 04:11:28.239 Yeah. 04:11:30.559 --> 04:11:30.879 Okay. 04:11:31.360 --> 04:11:32.000 Oh my. 04:11:32.159 --> 04:11:32.559 Yep. 04:11:32.719 --> 04:11:33.280 Yep. 04:11:33.520 --> 04:11:37.040 This is this is gonna get into what um Oh no. 04:11:37.280 --> 04:11:39.600 I'm glad I looked this up and I confirmed it. 04:11:39.760 --> 04:11:41.600 Let's why don't you read act two? 04:11:41.840 --> 04:11:42.159 Yep. 04:11:42.319 --> 04:11:47.520 And I can't wait to say this part because this is gonna make my score go lower for this movie. 04:11:47.680 --> 04:11:48.399 Oh no. 04:11:48.719 --> 04:11:49.840 This is how bad this is. 04:11:50.000 --> 04:11:51.840 It's gonna dip down to like we thought maybe. 04:11:52.079 --> 04:11:56.959 This this is the same level of Kamala never meeting Captain Marvel and all of a sudden she's a fam girl. 04:11:57.360 --> 04:11:57.600 It's good. 04:11:57.840 --> 04:11:58.799 I was hoping this score. 04:11:59.120 --> 04:12:05.200 Actually, my score at the end was gonna be a little better than the other one, but I'm already like feeling the negativity. 04:12:05.360 --> 04:12:06.159 Anyways, let's okay. 04:12:06.719 --> 04:12:09.920 Let's get through it then, because this doesn't need any more of our time, guys. 04:12:10.079 --> 04:12:17.360 The trio retreat to the Khan family home to learn how to synchronize their powers and control the swapping. 04:12:17.600 --> 04:12:23.040 Manga deduces that Darben is targeting planets close to Carol's heart. 04:12:24.079 --> 04:12:26.959 Saying it out loud makes me feel weird. 04:12:27.280 --> 04:12:31.200 Uh, anyways, uh leading them to the ocean planet of Aldana. 04:12:31.440 --> 04:12:33.040 Or Aldana, right? 04:12:33.440 --> 04:12:36.959 Where Carol is secretly a princess by political marriage. 04:12:37.120 --> 04:12:43.360 The heroes arrive just before Darben arrives to steal Aldana's water supply for Hala. 04:12:44.079 --> 04:12:58.879 A vibrant song and dance battle ensues before Darben or as the synchronized trio fight Darbne, but they are ultimately unable to stop her from draining the oceans and opening another devastating jump point. 04:12:59.200 --> 04:13:11.920 During the retreat, the heroes clash over Carol's past as the Annihilator and or the one responsible for accidentally destroying Hala's original son during a past rebellion. 04:13:12.079 --> 04:13:34.000 Meanwhile, McFury manages a crisis back at Sword station utilizing an infestation of flirting kittens to safely swallow and evacuate the entire crew before the unstable jump point tears the station apart. 04:13:35.680 --> 04:13:37.440 What are we watching? 04:13:40.879 --> 04:13:41.920 What worked? 04:13:43.600 --> 04:13:46.959 So I got something written down. 04:13:47.600 --> 04:13:56.639 I like there's a couple of points here that I like, and is I have less what I like compared to what I don't like. 04:13:56.959 --> 04:13:59.600 But okay. 04:14:00.399 --> 04:14:01.440 How do I say this? 04:14:02.079 --> 04:14:05.600 This other planet that they go to, the ocean planet, a lot of them. 04:14:05.840 --> 04:14:07.280 The one where there's a lot of time. 04:14:07.760 --> 04:14:08.159 Yep. 04:14:09.360 --> 04:14:12.799 There are parts of it I like, there are parts of it I don't. 04:14:12.959 --> 04:14:18.799 It's creative that they thought, oh hey, did you know the Brie Larson used to be a recording artist at one point? 04:14:18.959 --> 04:14:21.200 Let's give her a singing part. 04:14:22.719 --> 04:14:23.360 Yeah. 04:14:24.239 --> 04:14:26.479 And I like her dress. 04:14:27.760 --> 04:14:30.319 And I do like the guy she's married to. 04:14:30.559 --> 04:14:37.440 I just wish there was a lot more meat to that because the singing gets annoying really fast. 04:14:38.399 --> 04:14:40.479 To it in the beginning, it's interesting. 04:14:40.639 --> 04:14:42.639 You're like, what the heck is going on here?

04:14:42.959 --> 04:14:49.680 And once it gets done with that, and they get done doing their singing, I'm like, I don't want to hear these people anymore. 04:14:49.840 --> 04:14:54.159 The vocalizing when Dart Ben comes, I'm like, no, no, this is very avatar. 04:14:54.399 --> 04:14:55.280 I don't want that. 04:14:56.239 --> 04:15:01.920 I don't need to hear, yay! When they're when Darban is coming, be like, oh my gosh. 04:15:02.000 --> 04:15:02.159 Yeah. 04:15:02.239 --> 04:15:03.440 You know, anyway. 04:15:04.639 --> 04:15:05.680 Enough wakanda. 04:15:06.000 --> 04:15:07.200 This is Captain Marvel. 04:15:07.440 --> 04:15:12.959 So um that is the only thing on here that I like. 04:15:17.200 --> 04:15:18.559 I'll say this. 04:15:18.799 --> 04:15:24.799 It's fun to watch them develop and work on the synchronizing stuff. 04:15:25.040 --> 04:15:25.360 Okay. 04:15:25.840 --> 04:15:27.440 It does look cool. 04:15:27.680 --> 04:15:28.239 Some of that. 04:15:29.040 --> 04:15:29.200 Okay. 04:15:29.440 --> 04:15:34.239 Um, I will say the chemistry between the three of them gets better as the movie goes on. 04:15:35.120 --> 04:15:37.360 Um, and I do like this planet as well. 04:15:38.079 --> 04:15:43.600 There is a point where it's like it could end it sooner, but I actually think that it's a good creative choice. 04:15:43.680 --> 04:15:44.399 It's interesting. 04:15:44.719 --> 04:15:45.120 Yes. 04:15:45.440 --> 04:15:48.559 Um Remind me again why is she married to this person? 04:15:50.159 --> 04:16:04.079 Um If I remember right, she says to them to Monica and um Kamala it was more of a legal thing. 04:16:04.319 --> 04:16:09.200 It was more of a he need to become the leader and he need to have a princess type thing. 04:16:09.520 --> 04:16:10.399 Let me see. 04:16:11.280 --> 04:16:14.319 Let me let me They don't give a lot though on this, do they? 04:16:14.799 --> 04:16:20.079 It's very quick wording in the movie, which y like I said, I could easily miss it, basically. 04:16:20.319 --> 04:16:24.319 So this is why it supports my theory of the whole It's like we missed a movie, right? 04:16:24.559 --> 04:16:25.040 Mm-hmm. 04:16:25.280 --> 04:16:25.920 Yeah. 04:16:26.399 --> 04:16:30.079 That I don't like the that concept of the whole situation. 04:16:30.399 --> 04:16:31.440 But Yeah. 04:16:31.680 --> 04:16:34.319 Those are my three points I have down for this act. 04:16:35.120 --> 04:16:36.879 What's a guy's name? 04:16:37.200 --> 04:16:38.159 I don't know. 04:16:38.479 --> 04:16:41.200 Loudmouth, bow head. 04:16:41.600 --> 04:16:44.639 Or Carol secretly the princess for political marriage. 04:16:44.799 --> 04:16:45.040 Yeah. 04:16:45.360 --> 04:16:47.040 This doesn't give a name. 04:16:48.000 --> 04:16:48.319 Yeah. 04:16:49.520 --> 04:16:50.719 Why don't you give a name? 04:16:50.879 --> 04:16:51.440 Anyways, yeah. 04:16:51.840 --> 04:16:55.120 That's how little we care about the guy, too, though, so that's fine. 04:16:56.000 --> 04:16:56.879 And they're screwed. 04:16:56.959 --> 04:16:58.319 They whole planet, they're all dead, right? 04:16:58.399 --> 04:16:59.520 They're just gone now. 04:17:00.079 --> 04:17:01.360 She took all their water. 04:17:01.600 --> 04:17:02.879 She was dead, right? 04:17:03.840 --> 04:17:04.479 Maybe? 04:17:04.879 --> 04:17:06.319 Can they we never know, right? 04:17:06.399 --> 04:17:07.120 We never find out. 04:17:07.280 --> 04:17:07.680 We don't know. 04:17:07.920 --> 04:17:10.479 She just leaves her husband to die with his people. 04:17:10.879 --> 04:17:11.760 Boy Carol. 04:17:12.079 --> 04:17:13.440 Yeah, why didn't she take it? 04:17:14.000 --> 04:17:14.319 Okay. 04:17:14.639 --> 04:17:16.639 So are we getting on to what doesn't doesn't work? 04:17:16.879 --> 04:17:17.120 Yeah. 04:17:17.440 --> 04:17:19.840 This is on our screen right now. 04:17:20.000 --> 04:17:21.760 This is what I want to talk about. 04:17:22.959 --> 04:17:25.520 When the flashback happens, guys. 04:17:25.840 --> 04:17:26.959 For reference. 04:17:28.559 --> 04:17:32.639 So it says 30 years ago. 04:17:35.920 --> 04:17:36.879 30 years ago. 04:17:37.200 --> 04:17:38.479 It does say that, does it? 04:17:38.639 --> 04:17:38.879 Yes. 04:17:38.959 --> 04:17:44.719 And Darben reaffirms it for 30 years we've been fighting a civil war, and our planet has been dying. 04:17:47.120 --> 04:17:50.079 30 years ago was 1995. 04:17:51.280 --> 04:17:54.799 30 years ago was the end of Captain Marvel 1. 04:17:55.440 --> 04:17:58.079 What has happened since 1995? 04:17:58.479 --> 04:18:00.959 Guardians of the Galaxy with the Cree. 04:18:02.799 --> 04:18:04.000 Any other things that have happened? 04:18:04.079 --> 04:18:09.680 Like the Cree have been throughout phase the Infinity saga. 04:18:10.799 --> 04:18:19.520 Never is it mentioned that they are in the midst of we saw we saw a lot of stuff, actually, of the Cree. 04:18:24.479 --> 04:18:25.440 Interesting. 04:18:26.000 --> 04:18:27.760 This is the problem with the movie. 04:18:28.079 --> 04:18:29.680 A big problem for me. 04:18:30.239 --> 04:18:34.719 If she destroyed their AI intelligence, why? 04:18:34.879 --> 04:18:36.319 One are they still existing? 04:18:36.479 --> 04:18:39.280 Because everything really should be dead by now. 04:18:39.600 --> 04:18:43.920 30 years of them having a civil war and losing their resources. 04:18:44.319 --> 04:18:58.319 And also all of the other movies since then that have come out chronologically, and I'm sorry, the only one that's come out in my brain has been Guardians of Galaxies on top of my head because I was so prevalent with Ronan and introducing the Kree and things like that. 04:18:58.479 --> 04:18:59.600 That shouldn't have happened. 04:18:59.760 --> 04:19:00.959 That should not have happened. 04:19:01.120 --> 04:19:10.319 Because in that movie, the Kree made an alliance or a peace treaty with Xandar, and it was Ronan being a radical going around killing people. 04:19:10.879 --> 04:19:14.799 How can you make a peace

treaty with a nation that's dying? 04:19:15.040 --> 04:19:16.319 There is no peace treaty. 04:19:16.399 --> 04:19:16.959 They are surviving. 04:19:17.200 --> 04:19:19.760 And wouldn't that be Ronan's like top priority, too? 04:19:19.840 --> 04:19:20.159 Mm-hmm. 04:19:20.319 --> 04:19:21.440 Would be to save the world. 04:19:21.840 --> 04:19:26.000 Instead, he's going around destroying other places looking for the power stone for Thaniels. 04:19:26.399 --> 04:19:28.239 This doesn't make sense. 04:19:28.879 --> 04:19:34.000 In doing this movie, you have hurt a movie before that came out. 04:19:34.239 --> 04:19:35.200 Oh my god. 04:19:40.959 --> 04:19:41.280 Okay. 04:19:41.440 --> 04:19:44.639 I'm going to look up guys because I don't have it on top of my head, so bear with me. 04:19:44.719 --> 04:19:58.399 But I'm going to look up what MCU movies in the Infinity saga involve the Cree. 04:19:58.879 --> 04:20:00.399 Well, that's loading. 04:20:00.639 --> 04:20:06.079 I'm going to say I feel like the scrolls are in this again, just once more to get sidelined. 04:20:06.319 --> 04:20:13.760 Um the movie introduces a major humanitarian crisis, but just kind of glazes over it again. 04:20:14.000 --> 04:20:15.280 And I think that's dumb. 04:20:15.360 --> 04:20:18.399 Uh Darben has no intimidation to her. 04:20:18.639 --> 04:20:23.040 Uh she's almost forgotten at this point sometimes for me. 04:20:23.200 --> 04:20:28.799 If it wasn't for the fact she'd show up and just I mean, she really just needs a good old pouty face on her and she's ready to go. 04:20:29.120 --> 04:20:32.799 Her personality remains relatively like one-dimensional. 04:20:33.040 --> 04:20:38.079 Her attack doesn't really create enough emotional uh investment. 04:20:38.319 --> 04:20:43.440 Uh too much time chasing resources rather than actually developing a character. 04:20:43.600 --> 04:20:44.959 There's not a lot going on there. 04:20:45.120 --> 04:21:01.040 And this flirting encounter, like evacuation sequence is one of the most ridiculous, not fun um sequences that MCU's done in a long time. 04:21:01.200 --> 04:21:02.719 And after. 04:21:03.120 --> 04:21:03.840 I don't like it. 04:21:03.920 --> 04:21:05.120 I just don't like this cat thing. 04:21:05.200 --> 04:21:08.239 I think they would double down on it, and it was the wrong thing to double down on. 04:21:10.000 --> 04:21:11.600 What'd you find out over there? 04:21:11.920 --> 04:21:12.239 Okay. 04:21:12.399 --> 04:21:14.799 Well, mainly the Guardians movies. 04:21:15.200 --> 04:21:15.840 Both of them. 04:21:15.920 --> 04:21:26.079 The first one more prevalent than the second one, because the second one's mostly uh ego related, but it's still apparently the second one does a lot of heavy mentioning of the Kree Empire. 04:21:26.239 --> 04:21:26.479 Yeah. 04:21:26.719 --> 04:21:28.799 None of it includes a Civil War. 04:21:28.879 --> 04:21:29.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 04:21:29.760 --> 04:21:35.200 So, really, what this movie does is it hurts the Guardians of the Galaxy first movie. 04:21:36.000 --> 04:21:41.040 Yeah, it just shows that they didn't care about continuity of the whole NCU to just want to make her movie. 04:21:41.280 --> 04:21:43.600 That also is their problem with Carol. 04:21:43.680 --> 04:21:45.920 They don't know what to do with her. 04:21:46.159 --> 04:21:47.120 I don't know why. 04:21:47.280 --> 04:21:54.319 The SDL is so optimistic with this sequel that we could really explore Carol Danvers as who is Carol now. 04:21:54.479 --> 04:21:57.040 Because the first movie, she's figuring out who she is. 04:21:57.120 --> 04:22:05.440 Now we need to figure out with her knowing who she is now what she's capable of, and her emotional depth and aspects and all that, we don't get any of it. 04:22:05.680 --> 04:22:08.799 Well, though you see, we're too busy learning nothing about the other two. 04:22:09.200 --> 04:22:11.360 Yeah, learning nothing about the other two's right. 04:22:11.760 --> 04:22:19.120 So yeah, um, let's score this sucker and move on to act three unless you got something else to say about it. 04:22:19.360 --> 04:22:21.120 I'm gonna say all the other stuff that doesn't work. 04:22:21.280 --> 04:22:21.600 Yeah. 04:22:21.840 --> 04:22:26.000 So uh Valkyrie showing up with the Bifrost. 04:22:26.159 --> 04:22:27.840 How does she use the Bifrost? 04:22:28.000 --> 04:22:29.680 Isn't that through Thor's? 04:22:30.399 --> 04:22:37.280 Um that's the only what we learned in Love and Thunder is he can only summon the Biothrost through Stormbreaker. 04:22:37.440 --> 04:22:40.319 So she bifrosted up there. 04:22:40.799 --> 04:22:42.239 So Thor sends her up there? 04:22:43.680 --> 04:22:44.959 I never even caught that. 04:22:45.120 --> 04:22:46.639 So Thor sent her up there. 04:22:46.879 --> 04:22:48.319 That's the only way she got there. 04:22:48.479 --> 04:22:49.360 The only way she got there. 04:22:50.639 --> 04:22:51.600 Exactly. 04:22:54.639 --> 04:22:55.600 That doesn't make sense. 04:22:55.760 --> 04:22:57.280 They can afford Chris Hemsworth? 04:22:57.360 --> 04:22:57.760 I don't know. 04:22:58.000 --> 04:22:59.600 Where would he be right now? 04:23:00.319 --> 04:23:03.200 Because this takes place after Love and Thunder, right? 04:23:03.440 --> 04:23:07.760 Yeah, so he's not even there with no fighting with his daughters. 04:23:07.920 --> 04:23:11.520 Yep, and we're gonna find out on Doomsday exactly where he had been, most likely. 04:23:11.760 --> 04:23:15.360 And I bet none of it was visiting Asgard to bring scrolls. 04:23:15.520 --> 04:23:16.239 What is she calling? 04:23:18.879 --> 04:23:21.360 Yeah, we need to bring the shape-shifting aliens to Earth. 04:23:21.440 --> 04:23:22.399 Does that sound like a good plan? 04:23:22.719 --> 04:23:27.600 Somebody call us and said that the scrolls need help before we forget about them again. 04:23:28.399 --> 04:23:28.879 Right? 04:23:29.120 --> 04:23:31.360 Yeah, yeah, like that in the first movie. 04:23:31.440 -->

04:23:33.280 They forget about them for all those years. 04:23:33.360 --> 04:23:36.159 How the heck do they survive on Earth? 04:23:37.360 --> 04:23:38.000 Cannibalism. 04:23:38.559 --> 04:23:39.760 There's a movie right there, guys. 04:23:44.479 --> 04:23:44.959 News Flash. 04:23:45.040 --> 04:23:46.559 Talos used to have three sons. 04:23:46.719 --> 04:23:48.079 No, now only one daughter. 04:23:49.520 --> 04:23:51.520 They'd eat each other and survive. 04:23:53.280 --> 04:23:59.760 Anyways, um, that's um I do not like the Khan family being part of this movie. 04:24:00.159 --> 04:24:00.959 Neither do I. 04:24:01.200 --> 04:24:02.959 They shoved down his throat. 04:24:03.200 --> 04:24:08.639 I yes, I if I don't know where they thought this is a cool idea. 04:24:08.799 --> 04:24:11.280 Let's put the whole family in this movie. 04:24:11.920 --> 04:24:15.920 There's nothing about this that I I thought, okay, they needed to be there. 04:24:16.239 --> 04:24:17.200 She's the futures. 04:24:17.840 --> 04:24:25.680 When um Nick Fury says she insisted on coming, you are Nick frickin' Fury. 04:24:26.079 --> 04:24:31.120 You say, sit your ass down, fix your home, I'm going to space, MF first. 04:24:31.520 --> 04:24:33.440 That's that's what he would have said. 04:24:33.600 --> 04:24:33.760 Yeah. 04:24:34.000 --> 04:24:38.959 Instead, he's like, Oh, sure, I'm gonna bring this Pakistani American family up into space with us. 04:24:39.760 --> 04:24:40.399 What can go wrong? 04:24:40.559 --> 04:24:40.799 Yeah, yeah. 04:24:41.120 --> 04:24:45.680 Speaking of which, that craft, that spacecraft. 04:24:46.319 --> 04:24:48.959 Is that in this part that I want to talk about? 04:24:49.280 --> 04:24:51.600 Um I think it's in the next one. 04:24:52.479 --> 04:24:52.879 Right? 04:24:54.079 --> 04:24:55.120 Uh no, the price. 04:24:56.159 --> 04:24:57.920 No, yes, this is a horrible spacecraft. 04:24:58.159 --> 04:24:58.719 It's awful. 04:24:58.879 --> 04:25:05.600 It like, okay, so their spacecraft starts malfunctioning because these jump points are created, and that's it. 04:25:05.840 --> 04:25:12.079 It starts burning up from the inside out with all these flirtants running around. 04:25:12.239 --> 04:25:13.680 There's this okay. 04:25:13.840 --> 04:25:14.959 Uh and I hate that. 04:25:15.120 --> 04:25:17.120 I hate this scene so much. 04:25:17.920 --> 04:25:21.520 They play the music, they make it sound like it's a big deal. 04:25:21.760 --> 04:25:23.040 Let the cats eat you. 04:25:23.200 --> 04:25:24.959 One, that's horrifying. 04:25:25.280 --> 04:25:30.000 Can you imagine looking at a cat and all these tentacles come out and you're you hear the screams? 04:25:30.079 --> 04:25:32.239 They're like, oh my gosh, don't eat me. 04:25:32.399 --> 04:25:36.399 You why do they think this is safe for the cats to eat you? 04:25:36.959 --> 04:25:41.360 Yeah, they're gonna puke you up later, but what's happening inside there at that time? 04:25:41.840 --> 04:25:42.479 I don't want to know. 04:25:42.719 --> 04:25:49.120 What how uh how how are they putting full-size humans into these kittens, too? 04:25:49.280 --> 04:25:53.200 There's there's some like Hank Pin particles in there we have no idea about. 04:25:53.360 --> 04:25:53.920 I'm sorry. 04:25:54.000 --> 04:25:55.200 There's some things about this. 04:25:55.360 --> 04:25:56.959 They took the cat thing to the extreme. 04:25:57.120 --> 04:26:00.000 Yes, they did, and it's very gimmicky. 04:26:00.239 --> 04:26:00.479 Yep. 04:26:00.639 --> 04:26:02.559 It's uh I think people loved it. 04:26:02.719 --> 04:26:04.319 I think people acted like they did at the time. 04:26:04.639 --> 04:26:05.920 It's oh my gosh. 04:26:06.000 --> 04:26:08.559 I was I'm thinking, what the heck are we watching? 04:26:08.719 --> 04:26:10.559 This is are you serious right now? 04:26:10.799 --> 04:26:11.200 Really? 04:26:11.600 --> 04:26:12.959 So yeah, I don't like this. 04:26:13.040 --> 04:26:14.639 It's it's one, it's horrifying. 04:26:14.799 --> 04:26:17.360 Two, do you have an escape plan? 04:26:17.440 --> 04:26:17.680 Right. 04:26:17.920 --> 04:26:22.319 Your ship is blowing up and you're at capacity and you only have so many space pods. 04:26:22.639 --> 04:26:23.200 Why? 04:26:23.600 --> 04:26:37.840 Why put that many people on that spacecraft when you only can have what'd they say, like six or seven pods, and up to ten people at most could fit into them, and they have like 200 something people, so they only rescue about 70 of them? 04:26:38.079 --> 04:26:39.760 Where's the logic in this? 04:26:39.920 --> 04:26:41.680 Have you not watched Titanic? 04:26:41.840 --> 04:26:43.040 I mean, come on. 04:26:47.040 --> 04:26:48.879 So I hate it. 04:26:50.079 --> 04:26:51.120 I hate it. 04:26:52.719 --> 04:26:55.120 Best uh, best character moment. 04:26:55.360 --> 04:27:10.319 Let's see the only one I'm gonna give, and you're gonna be like, no, but when she okay, Carol seems very emotional telling Monica and Kamala that she's the reason for Hala being the way it is. 04:27:10.639 --> 04:27:18.239 So that is that is the that's the most emotional growth I've seen of her, where she actually realizes her actions can have consequences. 04:27:18.399 --> 04:27:23.360 Yeah, I I dig so for that uh that part I put as the best character moment for that. 04:27:24.239 --> 04:27:26.319 I'm gonna go with yours because I have nothing known. 04:27:26.559 --> 04:27:27.840 I struggle in this one. 04:27:28.159 --> 04:27:29.760 What is your score for act two? 04:27:30.079 --> 04:27:38.159 Yeah, this is this is an act two is now, after you pointing out the 30 year thing, it's a one. 04:27:38.559 --> 04:27:39.600 It's a one for me. 04:27:39.680 --> 04:27:40.319 Yep. 04:27:41.120 --> 04:27:41.840 What the F. 04:27:42.159 --> 04:27:48.000 If they didn't put 30 years and mention 30 years, it could have been very ambiguous that this just happened like a year or two ago. 04:27:48.079 --> 04:27:48.879 You know what I mean?

04:27:49.040 --> 04:27:50.959 But I always assumed that too. 04:27:51.040 --> 04:27:52.079 For some reason I never caught that. 04:27:52.319 --> 04:27:56.000 No, I was as much as I watch detail in movies, guys. 04:27:56.079 --> 04:27:57.360 I can't believe I didn't catch that. 04:27:57.600 --> 04:27:59.120 I was like, are you kidding me? 04:27:59.280 --> 04:27:59.440 Really? 04:27:59.600 --> 04:28:00.000 30 years? 04:28:00.079 --> 04:28:00.639 I'm thinking, wait. 04:28:02.000 --> 04:28:02.639 30 years. 04:28:02.879 --> 04:28:05.200 I guess it shows how much the movie doesn't interest me. 04:28:05.280 --> 04:28:07.280 And that's the maybe that's the problem it has. 04:28:07.440 --> 04:28:08.399 That's why I didn't catch it. 04:28:08.479 --> 04:28:08.879 But yeah. 04:28:09.120 --> 04:28:09.360 All right. 04:28:09.440 --> 04:28:09.680 All right. 04:28:12.719 --> 04:28:12.959 Yeah. 04:28:13.200 --> 04:28:13.520 I agree. 04:28:13.920 --> 04:28:17.040 I want I can't wait to get to our last questions because they're a little more fun. 04:28:17.280 --> 04:28:17.840 Oh, yes. 04:28:18.159 --> 04:28:18.479 Yeah. 04:28:18.719 --> 04:28:19.280 Act three. 04:28:19.920 --> 04:28:23.600 So Darben targets Earth's Sun to fully revitalize Hala. 04:28:23.840 --> 04:28:24.000 Why? 04:28:24.079 --> 04:28:24.799 Why Earth's Sun? 04:28:24.879 --> 04:28:25.280 Why ours? 04:28:25.520 --> 04:28:26.959 Because it's Carol's always ours. 04:28:27.120 --> 04:28:29.200 Because it's Carol's place that she loves. 04:28:29.440 --> 04:28:30.079 Oh, that's right. 04:28:30.319 --> 04:28:32.399 Because she's just vengeful, and that's all she is. 04:28:32.799 --> 04:28:33.040 Okay. 04:28:33.200 --> 04:28:34.399 I that's uh okay. 04:28:34.479 --> 04:28:44.079 I do hate that that change because they started off really good, and then all of a sudden, it's now I'm just gonna take everything that you love and be like, now it's your son. 04:28:44.319 --> 04:28:46.799 Yeah, it's not about saving your people now anymore. 04:28:46.879 --> 04:28:47.280 Yeah. 04:28:47.600 --> 04:28:57.120 Anyways, um the Marvels intercept Darben's flagship in Earth's orbit, leading to a brutal final confrontation. 04:28:57.440 --> 04:29:08.559 Darbin overpowers the heroes and forcefully steals Kamala's matching quantum band, wearing both to unleash an immense wave of cosmic energy to drain the sun. 04:29:08.959 --> 04:29:21.520 However, the sheer power of both bands overloads Darben, vaporizing her instantly and tearing open a massive, reality-threatening tear into an alternate universe. 04:29:21.840 --> 04:29:30.319 To close the breach from the outside, Carol and Kamala use their combined energy to power up Monica, who flies directly into the tear. 04:29:30.479 --> 04:29:35.760 Monica successfully seals the rift from the alternate dimension, trapping herself on the other side. 04:29:35.920 --> 04:29:47.040 In the aftermath, a grieving Carol honors Monica by moving into her old home in Louisiana, while Kamala returns to Jersey City, inspired to find other young heroes. 04:29:50.559 --> 04:29:51.840 Did the ending land for you? 04:29:52.079 --> 04:29:52.399 No. 04:29:52.959 --> 04:29:53.280 Nope. 04:29:56.079 --> 04:29:59.600 Um, I don't like the this kind of stuff. 04:30:01.600 --> 04:30:01.920 No. 04:30:02.319 --> 04:30:03.200 I don't like it. 04:30:03.680 --> 04:30:08.879 So best moment in act three. 04:30:09.840 --> 04:30:14.479 Um I put Monica using her powers to seal that that time. 04:30:14.879 --> 04:30:18.159 I'm saving that because it's the only thing I can think of for a spot in the next up. 04:30:18.479 --> 04:30:18.559 Okay. 04:30:18.719 --> 04:30:19.440 So that's fine. 04:30:20.799 --> 04:30:23.760 Um biggest issues? 04:30:24.799 --> 04:30:25.120 Okay. 04:30:26.000 --> 04:30:29.040 I can I can say I have like two lines on here I wrote down. 04:30:29.280 --> 04:30:34.799 Biggest issues for me is how the quantum bands suddenly aren't affecting their light-based powers like randomly. 04:30:35.280 --> 04:30:36.799 They're not, they just stop. 04:30:36.879 --> 04:30:37.120 Yep. 04:30:37.280 --> 04:30:37.840 I don't get it. 04:30:38.000 --> 04:30:38.239 Yep. 04:30:38.479 --> 04:30:39.520 That doesn't make any sense to me. 04:30:40.479 --> 04:30:52.879 Um, Carol seems very unintelligent when it comes to the leadership and knowing what to do when she didn't figure out that she could save Halla herself. 04:30:56.079 --> 04:30:57.280 It really did. 04:30:57.440 --> 04:31:01.760 When I'm watching this, I'm like, bitch, you didn't think of this earlier? 04:31:02.399 --> 04:31:08.559 You have the power of the son, basically, and you didn't think, let me reignite their son. 04:31:08.799 --> 04:31:09.600 One tried. 04:31:09.840 --> 04:31:14.719 How does Monica know that their son needs reigniting? 04:31:14.879 --> 04:31:15.440 Yeah. 04:31:15.760 --> 04:31:18.479 Other than that, they're there, you know, she never went there. 04:31:18.639 --> 04:31:24.799 Other than Darben, maybe there's a conversation, there's a mention that I'm here to get my son because it's dying and all that stuff. 04:31:24.879 --> 04:31:27.920 And but how does she know that that's what okay? 04:31:28.079 --> 04:31:28.719 She doesn't know. 04:31:28.879 --> 04:31:29.520 No, she doesn't know. 04:31:29.680 --> 04:31:31.440 She doesn't know the status of that son. 04:31:31.600 --> 04:31:31.920 That's right. 04:31:32.079 --> 04:31:38.479 She doesn't know that Carol could reignite the sun, but yet Carol would know, and Carol doesn't think of that. 04:31:38.639 --> 04:31:39.600 I don't get it. 04:31:40.000 --> 04:31:46.239 That part, I'm like, there's there's some there's brain cells that aren't firing, and it's not on the characters as the writers of this. 04:31:46.399 --> 04:31:47.040 Yeah, yeah. 04:31:48.239 --> 04:31:49.920 So I want to point this out to you. 04:31:50.159 --> 04:31:50.399 Okay. 04:31:50.719 --> 04:31:51.840 Tarbend, okay? 04:31:52.000 --> 04:31:52.239 Okay.

04:31:52.479 --> 04:31:55.520 The climax of this movie is simple. 04:31:56.079 --> 04:31:57.520 It's literally. 04:31:58.239 --> 04:32:00.799 She obtains both quantum bands. 04:32:02.159 --> 04:32:05.600 She unleashes their power, and she dies. 04:32:06.719 --> 04:32:08.959 That's the climax of the movie. 04:32:09.840 --> 04:32:11.120 Go screw yourself. 04:32:11.200 --> 04:32:12.719 What are we watching? 04:32:13.440 --> 04:32:18.559 The final battle it's lacks genuine genuine, like memorable villain confrontation. 04:32:18.719 --> 04:32:19.440 There's none of it. 04:32:19.520 --> 04:32:25.520 For such a cop-out villain that's similar, you could at least have some sort of fight, and it's just, oh, we're just gonna do it like this. 04:32:25.600 --> 04:32:25.840 Why not? 04:32:26.000 --> 04:32:26.639 Man, cool. 04:32:26.799 --> 04:32:27.440 Yeah. 04:32:27.760 --> 04:32:38.159 I hated the moment where she decides to turn on Kamala to get the band because they they laid it right out there to her. 04:32:38.399 --> 04:32:42.559 I can help save your world for the Kree. 04:32:42.719 --> 04:32:47.760 She says the same words that they did because Carol knows the lingo, she was part of them for a while and all that stuff. 04:32:47.840 --> 04:32:49.760 And she didn't want their world to die. 04:32:49.920 --> 04:32:51.200 She makes that very clear. 04:32:51.360 --> 04:32:55.200 And she she fessed up and owned up to what she did and all that stuff. 04:32:55.360 --> 04:32:56.000 Yeah. 04:32:56.639 --> 04:33:04.959 If this was the same Dar Ben from the first scene of her with the with the Cree, the scrolls right there, she would have said, I will join you. 04:33:05.119 --> 04:33:06.400 I will then help me. 04:33:06.560 --> 04:33:09.040 She would be begging her, help me just save my world. 04:33:09.200 --> 04:33:09.680 That's it. 04:33:09.840 --> 04:33:11.439 We could conquer other worlds later. 04:33:11.599 --> 04:33:12.799 Help me save mine. 04:33:13.040 --> 04:33:18.560 But instead, she does like what you said, the super villain twirly mustache moment. 04:33:18.799 --> 04:33:30.560 And I'm gonna do that's where I feel she went from really more power hungry than anything else, because it that I hate that for the writing for her because it doesn't make sense. 04:33:30.720 --> 04:33:37.279 Why would you do go that far in really beautiful writing in that first scene of her with the scrolls? 04:33:37.439 --> 04:33:39.759 That all of a sudden this is where you're gonna have her end up. 04:33:40.159 --> 04:33:41.040 This doesn't make sense. 04:33:41.119 --> 04:33:42.799 You could have made a really compelling villain right there. 04:33:43.759 --> 04:33:48.159 A very sympathetic villain that we will have been like, oh, there's the one Kree person we actually like. 04:33:48.319 --> 04:33:49.919 She just wants to help her people. 04:33:50.240 --> 04:33:52.159 No, no, they didn't. 04:33:52.400 --> 04:33:53.520 I hate that. 04:33:53.840 --> 04:33:55.119 That's so sad. 04:33:56.240 --> 04:33:57.680 But yeah, anyways. 04:33:58.000 --> 04:33:58.959 I completely agree. 04:33:59.119 --> 04:34:02.159 So that yeah, climax wasn't earned for me either. 04:34:02.400 --> 04:34:04.479 Um, anything else you want to say? 04:34:06.000 --> 04:34:08.080 Oh, I know I had something else. 04:34:08.159 --> 04:34:11.040 Uh yeah, this young Avengers setup is just so unearned. 04:34:11.119 --> 04:34:11.759 I could care less. 04:34:11.840 --> 04:34:12.880 I don't want it to happen. 04:34:13.040 --> 04:34:16.479 It's it's another, like, it's another character that she goes and meets. 04:34:16.639 --> 04:34:18.479 Is this a post-credit scene, many ways? 04:34:18.720 --> 04:34:26.240 I th well so it's like I I wrote it in here on our questionnaire, guys, as a post-credit scene, but I really do think it's like the tag at the end of the movie. 04:34:26.400 --> 04:34:27.279 It's a very tag at the end. 04:34:27.520 --> 04:34:30.159 Kind of so do we want to I'm just gonna save right now about it. 04:34:30.799 --> 04:34:33.200 So when we do talk about post-credit scene, we can zip right through it. 04:34:33.599 --> 04:34:38.720 I think that it's just two characters we could care less about because they go nowhere, anyways. 04:34:38.880 --> 04:34:39.279 I like it. 04:34:39.439 --> 04:34:44.479 Both of them go nowhere in their their respective projects, and here we are, now they're gonna tee them up. 04:34:44.639 --> 04:34:44.959 To what? 04:34:45.040 --> 04:34:46.560 To watch them both go nowhere together? 04:34:46.720 --> 04:34:47.919 I don't there's nothing there. 04:34:48.000 --> 04:34:48.720 I just don't like it. 04:34:48.880 --> 04:34:49.919 It's dumb. 04:34:50.880 --> 04:34:53.759 Yeah, well, I I okay. 04:34:54.319 --> 04:34:56.080 I don't mind the scene. 04:34:56.240 --> 04:34:59.040 I don't like that Kamala is acting like Nick Fury. 04:35:00.000 --> 04:35:03.680 I think she's overplaying the everyone likes me card. 04:35:04.000 --> 04:35:10.080 Yeah, and she's no character development to have more responsibility for something that she should feel much more. 04:35:10.560 --> 04:35:11.200 Exactly. 04:35:11.439 --> 04:35:12.720 She is not a leader. 04:35:13.040 --> 04:35:14.479 Kamala's not a leader. 04:35:14.720 --> 04:35:18.080 Kate Bishop right there is more of a leader than Kamala is. 04:35:18.240 --> 04:35:18.720 I agree. 04:35:18.880 --> 04:35:22.080 She's more mature, and she still didn't go anywhere. 04:35:22.159 --> 04:35:25.599 So yeah, that's and that's sad because I want to see Haley Seinfeld back. 04:35:25.680 --> 04:35:27.599 But anyway, so yeah. 04:35:27.840 --> 04:35:31.119 Um all right, what's your score for Act Three? 04:35:33.200 --> 04:35:34.319 Act three. 04:35:34.479 --> 04:35:35.360 Um, one. 04:35:36.319 --> 04:35:36.720 Yeah. 04:35:36.959 --> 04:35:37.279 One. 04:35:37.439 --> 04:35:37.759 Yep. 04:35:37.840 --> 04:35:39.599 It's a one for me too, guys. 04:35:39.919 --> 04:35:45.040 Alright, so here's a postcred

scene we could talk about and get a little more in depth about, I guess. 04:35:45.200 --> 04:35:54.240 Um, after sealing the tear in space-time from an alternate side of the universe, Monica Rambell wakes up in a sterile hospital bed, disoriented and confused. 04:35:54.400 --> 04:35:59.840 She looks up to see a woman sitting by her bedside, who appears to be her mother, Maria. 04:36:00.639 --> 04:36:09.599 Uh Monica emotionally hugs her, believing she has somehow returned home, only for Maria to pull away, completely blank and unrecognizing. 04:36:09.840 --> 04:36:16.959 Before Monica can process the shock, the door opens and the familiar blue furred X-Man walks in, Dr. 04:36:17.040 --> 04:36:25.200 Hank McCoy, aka Beast, voice and CGI portrayed by Kelsey Grammar, reprising his roles from the Fox X-Men. 04:36:25.360 --> 04:36:36.400 Beast explains that Monica examines Monica and notes that she crossed through a tear in space-time continuum into a parallel reality, mentioning that Charles Xavier needs to be updated. 04:36:36.639 --> 04:36:52.319 The camera pans to show Maria is wearing a red and white super suit, identifying her in this reality as binary, an alternate take on Captain Marvel's cosmic persona, officially kicking the door open for the Fox X-Men universe to collide with the MCU. 04:36:53.759 --> 04:36:57.040 But yet this movie's not on your watch to doomsday. 04:36:57.360 --> 04:36:58.479 Oh, that's true. 04:36:58.560 --> 04:37:00.479 You'd think this would be a big one. 04:37:00.799 --> 04:37:04.080 Like, yeah, watch to doomsday. 04:37:04.720 --> 04:37:06.560 Like it's such bull crap. 04:37:06.720 --> 04:37:07.520 The list is dumb. 04:37:07.759 --> 04:37:09.680 So that list is dumb. 04:37:09.840 --> 04:37:10.240 Yeah. 04:37:10.479 --> 04:37:14.880 Uh yeah, because on obviously this should be part of that. 04:37:15.119 --> 04:37:16.479 This is the freaking X-Men. 04:37:16.639 --> 04:37:19.599 It's not just any X-Men too, it's Kelsey Grammar's beasts. 04:37:19.759 --> 04:37:24.000 So the problem with this, guys, I'm gonna tell you right now with this post-credit scene. 04:37:24.240 --> 04:37:39.040 If they do not in Doomsday fulfill that Monica's there and that's their universe, and these X-Men, these OG X-Men, do get killed off, you have a universe where Kelsey Grammar's beast is still existing. 04:37:39.919 --> 04:37:44.639 You haven't wiped him out then, unless this is the same universe. 04:37:44.959 --> 04:37:52.560 So I bet you for continuity's sake, the Russo brothers are bringing Monica into this movie because that's the only other way to explain. 04:37:52.639 --> 04:37:54.240 Oh, they know of another universe. 04:37:54.400 --> 04:37:55.840 We have one of your people here. 04:37:56.159 --> 04:38:01.200 Oh, yeah, because I think you're correct in like what causes and encourages is people going to be where they shouldn't be. 04:38:01.520 --> 04:38:04.080 So Monica's there, and that's why they're part of this whole thing. 04:38:04.240 --> 04:38:06.639 Uh, you know, that that would make sense why that's happen. 04:38:06.720 --> 04:38:08.880 Yes, that's happening to their earth in particular. 04:38:09.200 --> 04:38:10.159 I'm actually okay with that. 04:38:10.319 --> 04:38:10.639 Yeah. 04:38:10.880 --> 04:38:15.680 You know, it's it's just how you handle it, is what it's how you handle it and just make it make sense. 04:38:15.840 --> 04:38:16.720 And they can. 04:38:16.799 --> 04:38:19.840 It was just what we just said, they can make it make sense. 04:38:20.080 --> 04:38:23.759 Anyways, um, how important is this to the MCU? 04:38:23.919 --> 04:38:26.000 I put ish because we don't know. 04:38:26.240 --> 04:38:30.479 I like the five because we're just we're gonna get we're gonna see how what's gonna turn out, right? 04:38:30.560 --> 04:38:30.720 Yep. 04:38:30.880 --> 04:38:32.880 They're gonna use stuff from this, whether we like it or not. 04:38:33.119 --> 04:38:33.360 I agree. 04:38:33.439 --> 04:38:34.479 It's it's it's a five. 04:38:34.560 --> 04:38:39.279 My hype for the X-Men was really up there, but after not this way, right? 04:38:39.439 --> 04:38:40.880 It was like you just felt weird. 04:38:41.119 --> 04:38:51.119 Yeah, well, like I said, if they added this movie into your March of Doomsday, or you know, the the stuff to watch, then my hype level would still be 100% because this is your introduction to them. 04:38:51.279 --> 04:38:52.959 Otherwise, that's it. 04:38:53.200 --> 04:38:58.799 All right, guys, the best part of the episode deep dives, casting, and performances. 04:38:59.119 --> 04:39:01.279 Best performance of the film for you. 04:39:01.759 --> 04:39:07.919 I am going to give it to uh I can't say her name correctly, but Tiana Paris. 04:39:08.080 --> 04:39:08.639 Oh, okay. 04:39:08.880 --> 04:39:21.919 I think out of all of them, she sells this more emotional grounded performance, and I I still think it's lacking, but it's better than the rest of them, and I think she's a better actress in this situation. 04:39:22.959 --> 04:39:23.279 Okay. 04:39:23.520 --> 04:39:25.200 And I liked her in WandaVision. 04:39:25.759 --> 04:39:28.159 So, like, I I think it followed over. 04:39:28.720 --> 04:39:29.040 Okay. 04:39:29.439 --> 04:39:29.919 All right. 04:39:30.080 --> 04:39:35.119 Well, I gave it to Brie Larson, almost for similar sentiments, actually, that you said. 04:39:35.360 --> 04:39:48.799 This movie, I actually got to see a little more of her emotional aspect of learning humbleness to a degree, and that there's more responsibility to the powers that she's got. 04:39:48.959 --> 04:39:58.080 The problem is it's so buried down of other things they wanted to put ahead of it that we couldn't explore it and really dissect it more. 04:39:58.240 --> 04:40:02.880 But I could see where they started leading the groundwork, and I think Brie Larson actually could do it. 04:40:03.119 --> 04:40:06.080 So um, I I liked her performance. 04:40:06.159 -->

04:40:09.439 She was actually the only one that I lit up when I saw on screen. 04:40:09.520 --> 04:40:11.360 I'm like, oh, I want to see more of this character. 04:40:11.439 --> 04:40:14.159 I just want to see more with her particular, you know. 04:40:14.479 --> 04:40:21.759 Anyways, uh, but for the surprising performance, I put Tyona Paris because I do think that she can hold her own. 04:40:21.919 --> 04:40:28.959 And I think that she is more consistent with her feelings throughout the whole movie compared to the other one. 04:40:29.119 --> 04:40:31.279 Because I have Bree Larson as my surprise. 04:40:31.680 --> 04:40:32.080 There you go. 04:40:34.560 --> 04:40:35.680 Look at that, guys. 04:40:35.840 --> 04:40:36.880 We got the wavelength. 04:40:37.119 --> 04:40:37.279 Yeah. 04:40:38.000 --> 04:40:39.279 Um, yeah, all right. 04:40:39.439 --> 04:40:40.639 Weakest performance. 04:40:40.880 --> 04:40:43.439 This one goes to the how do you say her name? 04:40:43.599 --> 04:40:44.639 Um Alakan? 04:40:44.880 --> 04:40:45.439 No, Zali. 04:40:46.400 --> 04:40:47.599 Oh, oh Darben. 04:40:47.840 --> 04:40:48.000 Yeah. 04:40:48.319 --> 04:40:50.159 She can just, it's not there. 04:40:50.959 --> 04:40:52.799 I guess she can say it's the writing. 04:40:52.959 --> 04:40:53.840 I don't think so. 04:40:54.000 --> 04:40:55.759 I think she's not that good either. 04:40:55.919 --> 04:40:56.799 I don't believe her. 04:40:57.200 --> 04:40:57.439 Okay. 04:40:57.599 --> 04:40:58.240 I'm not impressed. 04:40:58.479 --> 04:41:01.680 Well, I I didn't put her there because I have her for another spot. 04:41:01.840 --> 04:41:02.799 I put Samuel L. 04:41:02.880 --> 04:41:03.759 Jackson. 04:41:04.240 --> 04:41:05.119 Interesting. 04:41:05.360 --> 04:41:06.959 He is just acting like himself. 04:41:07.119 --> 04:41:09.200 There is no nuance to him in this movie. 04:41:09.439 --> 04:41:10.959 He is just Samuel L. 04:41:11.040 --> 04:41:12.159 Jackson on set. 04:41:12.479 --> 04:41:19.360 He in this movie to me feels like what Bill Murray felt like for you in Quamania. 04:41:19.599 --> 04:41:19.840 Interesting. 04:41:20.159 --> 04:41:22.720 That he walked on set and he's just he's just there. 04:41:23.200 --> 04:41:24.959 You give him lines, that's all it is. 04:41:25.279 --> 04:41:27.599 He barely has any action at all. 04:41:28.319 --> 04:41:28.639 Okay. 04:41:29.200 --> 04:41:38.400 He gives these slight-handed little comments, use your black girl magic and all that stuff, and I'm like, there's there's nothing that I wanted to see him here for. 04:41:40.240 --> 04:41:44.959 He examines these eggs and that's it on this ship. 04:41:45.119 --> 04:41:47.360 There's there's nothing really for him there. 04:41:47.680 --> 04:41:49.119 I agree with all that. 04:41:49.599 --> 04:41:51.520 And I think he's just coasting. 04:41:51.680 --> 04:42:00.400 I think he's just he's like, I'm being paid Disney money right now, and they want me to just be me being Nick Fury, and that's it. 04:42:00.799 --> 04:42:10.639 That's why I put him as my casting win, though, because I feel like I feel like because he is so much just Nick Fury, it it kind of just works. 04:42:10.880 --> 04:42:12.080 He can just show up. 04:42:12.400 --> 04:42:14.560 But I see how that's a negative as well. 04:42:14.799 --> 04:42:18.720 But there's not much more casting wins I could say, anyways. 04:42:18.959 --> 04:42:23.520 This well, this is the only project that he's been in in the MCU where I feel that way for him. 04:42:23.919 --> 04:42:28.319 Because even in even when we get the secret invasion, I know he at least was acting for it. 04:42:28.560 --> 04:42:28.720 Yeah. 04:42:28.959 --> 04:42:30.560 This one I felt like I'm there. 04:42:30.720 --> 04:42:35.040 They're giving me a small role, but I'm here, so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be me. 04:42:35.200 --> 04:42:35.840 Yeah. 04:42:36.240 --> 04:42:36.639 Yeah. 04:42:36.880 --> 04:42:37.680 Anyways. 04:42:37.919 --> 04:42:43.840 Um, my casting win is um I gave it to Amon Velani. 04:42:44.400 --> 04:42:45.919 I know we gave that to her for the Ms. 04:42:46.080 --> 04:42:54.080 Marvel, but uh, like I said in that show, and I'm gonna say it again here, she's very charismatic, and she definitely is this Ms. 04:42:54.159 --> 04:42:55.040 Marvel character. 04:42:55.200 --> 04:42:58.319 It's just I don't I didn't want her in this movie. 04:42:59.200 --> 04:43:09.119 But she's in the movie, and her parts do hit when the her funny parts, her quirky parts, her fangirl parts make sense here because she's actually with Captain Marvel. 04:43:11.200 --> 04:43:17.360 Like this part again, she's so fan and out though, there's no explanation why she feels that way, anyways. 04:43:17.680 --> 04:43:20.000 Yeah, no, I still makes no sense in the long run. 04:43:20.240 --> 04:43:20.400 Yeah. 04:43:21.279 --> 04:43:22.240 But yeah, I gotcha. 04:43:22.479 --> 04:43:24.639 At least she's with her, and you can see that. 04:43:24.799 --> 04:43:25.919 Yeah, I gotcha. 04:43:26.159 --> 04:43:26.479 Yeah. 04:43:26.720 --> 04:43:31.680 So um Miss Opportunities is where I would put the um Zay. 04:43:32.080 --> 04:43:33.680 What what's your name, sugar? 04:43:35.520 --> 04:43:37.279 Zay, Zaw, Zar. 04:43:39.599 --> 04:43:40.319 Zaw. 04:43:40.639 --> 04:43:41.680 Zaw Ashton. 04:43:41.919 --> 04:43:42.560 Zaw. 04:43:43.200 --> 04:43:44.720 She's very British, by the way. 04:43:44.880 --> 04:43:45.360 Very British. 04:43:46.639 --> 04:43:49.040 I think she fits better under Miss Opportunities for sure. 04:43:49.279 --> 04:43:55.759 Yeah, because I think you could have had a very nuanced villain there that really would have honed it in. 04:43:56.000 --> 04:44:01.439 One, she severely is under power compared to the three of them. 04:44:01.599 --> 04:44:07.919 So it's weird that she is your lone villain without something else going on there or making her more menacing. 04:44:08.080 --> 04:44:12.479 But at the same time, I want to see a

more compelling villain out of her. 04:44:12.560 --> 04:44:24.560 And there was there really wasn't anything that made me sympathize with her other than it's like you gave me false hope with that first scene, and now the rest of the movie I'm looking at her and thinking, okay, is this could she be this way? 04:44:24.720 --> 04:44:25.360 Could she not? 04:44:25.439 --> 04:44:30.560 But then she just gets so super villainy that it doesn't make sense. 04:44:30.720 --> 04:44:31.200 Yeah. 04:44:31.439 --> 04:44:33.840 And I feel like that's a huge missed opportunity. 04:44:34.000 --> 04:44:34.319 Yeah. 04:44:34.720 --> 04:44:37.680 So, anyways, direction and production. 04:44:38.400 --> 04:44:40.639 So I think the CGI in this looks good. 04:44:40.799 --> 04:44:43.040 I think some of the action is okay. 04:44:43.279 --> 04:44:46.240 Um the music is blah. 04:44:46.639 --> 04:44:50.080 Uh the cinematography is pretty safe. 04:44:50.479 --> 04:44:53.599 Um, and I don't think there's a vision here at all. 04:44:55.119 --> 04:44:58.799 So I I'd I'd say it's a minus overall. 04:44:59.279 --> 04:44:59.840 Yeah. 04:45:00.639 --> 04:45:03.439 Yeah, really, I I do agree with all that. 04:45:03.599 --> 04:45:04.560 I don't see a vision. 04:45:04.799 --> 04:45:06.000 I don't see a cinematography. 04:45:06.080 --> 04:45:07.520 The action quality is okay. 04:45:07.680 --> 04:45:13.040 The only times I think it really gets good is a couple of scenes of their switching. 04:45:13.439 --> 04:45:20.159 Uh especially the the one of the last scenes that I have on my um my questionnaire there. 04:45:20.240 --> 04:45:22.959 But other than that, yeah, yeah, I agree with you. 04:45:23.279 --> 04:45:24.799 Alright, hot takes. 04:45:25.360 --> 04:45:28.159 Mine, you're probably not gonna like this one. 04:45:28.400 --> 04:45:28.720 No? 04:45:29.520 --> 04:45:30.959 Maybe it hit me. 04:45:31.360 --> 04:45:33.119 This should have been a TV show. 04:45:34.240 --> 04:45:38.799 It deserves to be a TV show, because at least it'd be bad and be in a good spot. 04:45:39.119 --> 04:45:49.200 This so this why I say that is I feel like this was a concept of a TV show, they turned it into a movie, and I think it would have worked better as a T V show. 04:45:49.439 --> 04:45:51.599 Because was it was Ms. 04:45:51.680 --> 04:45:57.200 Marvel season two, you think, maybe, that they decided to make a movie? 'Cause everybody loved Ms. 04:45:57.360 --> 04:45:58.560 Marvel versus Probably. 04:45:58.799 --> 04:45:59.279 I don't know. 04:45:59.360 --> 04:46:02.240 I See, I think I do think Ms. 04:46:02.400 --> 04:46:03.919 Marvel is overhyped. 04:46:04.080 --> 04:46:04.720 I exactly. 04:46:05.040 --> 04:46:05.919 I do okay. 04:46:06.159 --> 04:46:08.560 I've said this and I already said it like a couple minutes ago. 04:46:08.720 --> 04:46:15.680 She's very charismatic, as not just the actress, but the character itself is very charismatic and very relatable to a degree. 04:46:15.919 --> 04:46:20.240 The problem is I think that they took that and they're like, This is our star child now. 04:46:20.319 --> 04:46:21.680 They did it with her in the comics. 04:46:21.919 --> 04:46:26.000 And it she gained a fan base, but wasn't that big of a fan base. 04:46:26.240 --> 04:46:28.319 And now they're doing to her in the MCU the same way. 04:46:28.400 --> 04:46:31.119 And I'm like, why are you overexposing this character? 04:46:31.279 --> 04:46:35.599 She is great the way she is, but it's too much. 04:46:35.759 --> 04:46:41.680 It's making us like you have to like her type thing, as opposed to an organic, like Florence Pugh's Black Widow. 04:46:41.759 --> 04:46:45.279 That's an organic, I want to see more of you, because we love you. 04:46:45.520 --> 04:46:53.439 This one is we're putting it in your face all the time, and she is great, but because we're doing it this way, it's like, uh, I don't want to see more of you. 04:46:53.520 --> 04:46:54.159 You know what I mean? 04:46:54.639 --> 04:47:08.080 Anyways, um, yeah, so I think that this would have looked better as a TV show, and you could have done like the first couple episodes of the beginning of this, then when they go to this water planet world, that's a whole episode or two right there. 04:47:08.240 --> 04:47:22.159 Then there's you know, I feel like this would this formula would have fit better, and it's not that consequential at the end of the day, except for that post-credit scene, which if that doesn't get fulfilled in Doomsday, this really sucks. 04:47:23.599 --> 04:47:24.319 Honestly. 04:47:24.479 --> 04:47:27.040 So that's that's the best hot take I could give you. 04:47:27.520 --> 04:47:28.560 What's yours? 04:47:29.040 --> 04:47:41.919 I think that at this point in the MCU, if they just pretended Captain Marvel never existed and we'd never see her again, I think we'd move on and not even realize it. 04:47:42.319 --> 04:47:42.880 Hmm. 04:47:44.560 --> 04:47:47.119 I think Carol is forgotten now. 04:47:48.000 --> 04:47:50.000 Or could easily be forgotten. 04:47:51.200 --> 04:47:57.439 Out of all the characters when we talk about Doomsday and Secret Wars, when we gonna do all our stuff, I don't think about her at all. 04:48:02.080 --> 04:48:03.840 And you know she's gonna have something to do with it. 04:48:04.080 --> 04:48:05.279 Yeah, I actually must. 04:48:05.680 --> 04:48:07.759 Because I do, I kinda hope to see her again. 04:48:07.840 --> 04:48:13.119 But I don't like-I don't hope they get her and just I just don't like for projects like this to give her this. 04:48:13.520 --> 04:48:17.680 If all of a sudden she just wasn't in it no more, I think we could move on easily without it. 04:48:17.919 --> 04:48:19.840 And just forget it happened. 04:48:20.080 --> 04:48:20.639 Hmm. 04:48:22.159 --> 04:48:23.200 I can see that. 04:48:23.360 --> 04:48:24.479 Alright, guys. 04:48:25.919 --> 04:48:33.040 Or that's that secret third movie is real, and we see Rogue become Captain Marvel by taking

her powers, and that'd be kind of cool. 04:48:33.439 --> 04:48:34.080 There you go. 04:48:34.159 --> 04:48:35.439 That would be kind of cool, actually. 04:48:35.759 --> 04:48:38.720 Alright, so answer fast, don't overthink. 04:48:38.799 --> 04:48:40.159 Best scene in the movie. 04:48:40.720 --> 04:48:42.720 Uh, best scene in the movie. 04:48:42.880 --> 04:48:48.000 Um, I'm gonna give it to uh oh shoot. 04:48:48.080 --> 04:48:50.799 What did I say right down on this side? 04:48:51.360 --> 04:48:52.400 Yeah, I did. 04:48:53.759 --> 04:49:00.159 So when they do finally like work as a team in fight, I think it looks pretty cool. 04:49:00.560 --> 04:49:01.680 So I'm gonna give it that. 04:49:02.000 --> 04:49:08.880 So mine is that final fight of them with Darben, and they're using it, and it's creatively like she goes through the same thing, it's the same thing. 04:49:09.200 --> 04:49:09.279 Yeah. 04:49:10.080 --> 04:49:12.319 Least best scene, those flurkins. 04:49:12.639 --> 04:49:18.240 Yeah, I was gonna say between the flurkins and the young Avengers recruitment thing at the end, I'd say. 04:49:18.560 --> 04:49:19.119 Yeah. 04:49:19.360 --> 04:49:22.000 Yeah, I just I hate the flerkin scene. 04:49:22.159 --> 04:49:22.400 Yeah. 04:49:22.639 --> 04:49:24.000 Best villain moment? 04:49:24.400 --> 04:49:26.720 When she refuses to surrender. 04:49:27.439 --> 04:49:32.240 Oh at the very least, it stays she stays who she is. 04:49:32.400 --> 04:49:34.479 And I like villains that refuse surrender. 04:49:34.720 --> 04:49:49.279 Oh, Star Trek did that at the end when Kirk is like when their ship is getting pulled into the portal, and Kirk says to him, in in the new one with Chris Pine, uh, he says, you know, you're your your ship's damaged, you know, nothing you can do. 04:49:49.439 --> 04:49:52.479 Would you like us to be mow you all aboard and do you surrender? 04:49:52.560 --> 04:49:53.759 And he says, I'll never surrender. 04:49:53.919 --> 04:49:54.959 He goes, Sounds good. 04:49:55.040 --> 04:49:56.639 And he says, shoot torpedoes into him. 04:49:56.720 --> 04:49:57.599 And it's like, whoa. 04:49:58.000 --> 04:50:00.639 But it's but he gives them a chance, you know, and I just like that. 04:50:00.720 --> 04:50:02.880 I like bad guys that don't back down. 04:50:03.040 --> 04:50:04.720 So at least she didn't back down. 04:50:05.040 --> 04:50:07.439 Still think she was boring the whole time. 04:50:07.680 --> 04:50:11.119 But I like that there was no like moment of you know what I mean. 04:50:11.200 --> 04:50:12.159 Like anyways. 04:50:12.479 --> 04:50:16.000 I like her speech to her people on Holland when she brings the atmosphere back to them. 04:50:16.319 --> 04:50:16.880 It's pretty good. 04:50:16.959 --> 04:50:17.599 Yeah. 04:50:18.000 --> 04:50:18.400 Yeah. 04:50:18.560 --> 04:50:18.880 Right. 04:50:19.119 --> 04:50:20.319 Most punchable face. 04:50:21.840 --> 04:50:23.759 I put Samuel Jackson. 04:50:24.000 --> 04:50:24.799 So did I. 04:50:25.040 -->

04:50:27.119 Because I want to say, app, dude. 04:50:27.439 --> 04:50:28.720 See, it's not his acting. 04:50:28.799 --> 04:50:31.680 It's just that it's this it's the Nick Fury thing. 04:50:32.000 --> 04:50:35.759 He's either really helpful or it doesn't really do anything. 04:50:36.240 --> 04:50:37.439 Doesn't do anything as well. 04:50:37.520 --> 04:50:39.119 And in this one, he's not doing much. 04:50:39.279 --> 04:50:39.759 Mm-hmm. 04:50:39.919 --> 04:50:41.119 So, yeah. 04:50:42.880 --> 04:50:43.360 All right. 04:50:43.520 --> 04:50:45.840 Um, one prop you take home. 04:50:46.240 --> 04:50:50.799 I mean, obviously, I think one or two of the things, the the bangles? 04:50:51.040 --> 04:50:52.799 Yeah, that's the only thing I could think of. 04:50:53.520 --> 04:50:54.400 Or a flurkin. 04:50:56.319 --> 04:50:57.040 I don't know. 04:50:57.279 --> 04:51:00.400 I'd probably go missing for a couple days and then I'm in the flurkin. 04:51:00.560 --> 04:51:01.200 Yeah. 04:51:01.439 --> 04:51:09.040 Um I I put the hat that Carol wears when she gets onto that water world, and that's that big, big, obnoxious looking hat. 04:51:09.279 --> 04:51:09.680 Yeah, okay. 04:51:09.759 --> 04:51:10.159 That's funny. 04:51:10.240 --> 04:51:11.040 Yeah, I like that. 04:51:11.520 --> 04:51:13.279 Uh most underrated moment. 04:51:14.880 --> 04:51:20.000 Um I actually think it is the when she realizes Hala's son. 04:51:20.400 --> 04:51:20.639 Hmm. 04:51:20.799 --> 04:51:23.919 Can I see your phone one more time for another Google thing? 04:51:24.639 --> 04:51:26.560 Just to make sure that I'm gonna say that's right. 04:51:27.040 --> 04:51:29.040 So when she reignites Hollow's son at the end? 04:51:29.200 --> 04:51:32.319 Yeah, because it is that whole like, oh my god, you are really powerful. 04:51:32.400 --> 04:51:33.279 Like, holy shit. 04:51:33.439 --> 04:51:34.000 You know what I mean? 04:51:34.080 --> 04:51:39.520 Like the power you do have is pretty immense, and it's just weird that we get this movie around it. 04:51:39.840 --> 04:51:40.479 You know? 04:51:41.200 --> 04:51:41.840 Yeah. 04:51:44.560 --> 04:51:47.759 So, my um underrated moment. 04:51:49.680 --> 04:51:51.200 Oh, okay. 04:51:51.439 --> 04:51:58.560 So I want to make sure I got this correct, which actually that brings up another weird question for me. 04:51:58.720 --> 04:52:00.400 I don't know why they didn't do this. 04:52:00.720 --> 04:52:05.200 So, chronologically, the Marvels takes place after Secret Invasion. 04:52:06.639 --> 04:52:12.720 Secret Invasion is the next show we're gonna review, but that's um chronologically speaking, this is after. 04:52:12.880 --> 04:52:14.799 So Nick Fury going into space. 04:52:15.040 --> 04:52:15.520 What? 04:52:16.159 --> 04:52:19.680 So I don't recall at the end of this where he is. 04:52:19.840 --> 04:52:20.880 I think he's still in space then. 04:52:21.439 --> 04:52:23.759 No, I think he's yeah. 04:52:24.240 --> 04:52:24.880 Yeah. 04:52:25.439 --> 04:52:38.959 But, anyways, um, so with that said, since this is after Secret Invasion, my underrated moment is when that scroll leader guy um looks to Carol and says, We don't need your help anymore. 04:52:39.279 --> 04:52:41.119 And now they're on new Asgard. 04:52:42.240 --> 04:52:51.840 Technically speaking, under the right hands, you could do a secret invasion movie now with the scrolls showing that they're bad guys. 04:52:52.159 --> 04:52:52.720 Oh, yeah. 04:52:52.959 --> 04:53:00.319 Because not only the secret invasion already happened, that show, but you now have an actual leader that's saying, Oh, we don't need you anymore. 04:53:00.479 --> 04:53:01.119 You know what I mean? 04:53:01.360 --> 04:53:01.520 Yeah. 04:53:01.759 --> 04:53:03.119 Do you know why they're bad guys? 04:53:03.279 --> 04:53:05.040 Because we keep forgetting about them. 04:53:05.919 --> 04:53:06.319 Yeah. 04:53:06.479 --> 04:53:08.240 You're not gonna forget about us this time. 04:53:08.319 --> 04:53:08.720 That's right. 04:53:09.360 --> 04:53:17.759 What if what if at the end of Doomsday Thor is a scroll? 04:53:18.080 --> 04:53:18.400 No. 04:53:19.520 --> 04:53:19.840 No. 04:53:20.319 --> 04:53:21.360 What would you do? 04:53:21.599 --> 04:53:23.599 If that happened, what would you do? 04:53:24.080 --> 04:53:28.319 Make me question everything about Thor's role in Doomsday. 04:53:28.560 --> 04:53:29.200 One. 04:53:30.319 --> 04:53:31.599 When did this happen? 04:53:31.840 --> 04:53:32.319 Two. 04:53:32.880 --> 04:53:33.119 No. 04:53:33.759 --> 04:53:35.439 Just like what they did with Roadie. 04:53:35.680 --> 04:53:37.040 It's okay if you do it. 04:53:37.119 --> 04:53:40.720 You have to give us though a start and an end. 04:53:41.119 --> 04:53:45.360 When you give us the reveal, you have to sell it, tell us where he's been and what's happened. 04:53:45.520 --> 04:53:48.400 What if Captain What if Cap is a scroll? 04:53:49.919 --> 04:53:51.520 I'm more okay with that. 04:53:51.759 --> 04:53:52.400 Ugh. 04:53:52.560 --> 04:53:54.560 I don't know if I like your answer to that. 04:53:58.319 --> 04:54:02.159 Anyways, what if all the X-Men are scrolls? 04:54:03.520 --> 04:54:04.959 This was a waste. 04:54:05.759 --> 04:54:06.639 You know what sucks. 04:54:06.959 --> 04:54:09.759 The best version of James Marz on Cyclops is a scroll. 04:54:09.919 --> 04:54:10.319 Come on. 04:54:10.560 --> 04:54:16.000 Which character in Doomsday, right now that we know that's in the movie, which one would be your worst? 04:54:16.159 --> 04:54:26.080 If I were to tell you one of them had to be a scroll, which one's the worst one, in your opinion, to be a scroll that would make you just literally go, no? 04:54:26.880 --> 04:54:28.000 Unacceptable. 04:54:28.159 --> 04:54:28.959 I'm out. 04:54:29.200 --> 04:54:30.000 What's the one? 04:54:30.080 --> 04:54:32.240 There's gotta be one that draws the line. 04:54:32.560 --> 04:54:34.000 Is Thor the one? 04:54:34.400 --> 04:54:35.840 That's pretty

close. 04:54:36.240 --> 04:54:41.599 Right now he's at the top of my list, but I'm I'm I'm siphoning through all of the casts. 04:54:41.919 --> 04:54:42.880 Comment below, guys. 04:54:43.040 --> 04:54:44.240 Well, who's yours? 04:54:45.439 --> 04:54:48.240 Everybody you know, they turn out to be a scroll. 04:54:48.639 --> 04:54:51.360 What would make you flip tables? 04:54:51.520 --> 04:54:53.279 Wait, nope, not gonna have it. 04:54:53.680 --> 04:54:55.200 Actually, at this moment, I think Thor. 04:54:55.439 --> 04:55:05.279 Just for just for continuity sake, Steve, if he turned out to be a scroll, we already know that our Steve is dead. 04:55:05.439 --> 04:55:09.919 So this is kind of like a time-variant multiversal version of Steve, anyways. 04:55:10.080 --> 04:55:14.880 So I'm more susceptible to make more doing Steve, right? 04:55:15.040 --> 04:55:16.319 And he didn't by hiding Steve. 04:55:16.560 --> 04:55:16.799 Exactly. 04:55:17.040 --> 04:55:18.799 Yeah, almost use that idea, yeah. 04:55:19.040 --> 04:55:27.360 And some of the other characters, it would be kind of hard to explain because what we know of the MCU scrolls is they can't duplicate powers, but they could duplicate appearances. 04:55:27.599 --> 04:55:32.479 So anyone who has an actual ability, I don't think that they would be able to do that. 04:55:32.959 --> 04:55:38.799 I mean, they did introduce the fact that you can make super scrolls, but I don't think they're gonna go that far. 04:55:39.040 --> 04:55:39.200 No. 04:55:40.080 --> 04:55:42.639 Thor would be the one that I'd be like, no. 04:55:44.560 --> 04:55:54.000 I think they're gonna change that con if we ever do a thing with the scrolls, they're going to change that concept where they can do the abilities, or it's not gonna be a shock value anymore. 04:55:54.240 --> 04:55:56.959 Because it it's only gonna be people that don't have power zone. 04:55:57.119 --> 04:55:58.959 No, I think they're gonna want us to think, you know what I mean. 04:55:59.200 --> 04:56:02.240 Well, I think that's what's for Secret Invasion in particular. 04:56:02.319 --> 04:56:08.240 That should have been the actual storyline for a movie, is that they're gonna get more powerful now and they're already here. 04:56:08.319 --> 04:56:13.200 Yeah, so we need to stop them, and then all of a sudden they have super scrolls, they just learned how to do that. 04:56:13.439 --> 04:56:16.080 Like it's a continuous big bad guy. 04:56:16.159 --> 04:56:18.000 We need to pound them down, you know what I mean? 04:56:18.240 --> 04:56:19.200 Anyways, I think you're right. 04:56:19.279 --> 04:56:20.400 I think stars top of the list. 04:56:20.639 --> 04:56:20.799 Alright. 04:56:21.279 --> 04:56:22.479 Yes, I yeah. 04:56:23.040 --> 04:56:24.240 Um, all right. 04:56:24.560 --> 04:56:26.639 Overrated moment, the con family. 04:56:26.880 --> 04:56:27.279 Yes. 04:56:27.520 --> 04:56:27.919 Yep. 04:56:28.880 --> 04:56:29.520 Why are they there? 04:56:29.759 --> 04:56:30.639

Why are they there? 04:56:30.880 --> 04:56:32.319 They don't serve any purpose. 04:56:32.479 --> 04:56:33.360 They don't get eaten. 04:56:33.520 --> 04:56:36.080 The con family doesn't get eaten, but everyone else does. 04:56:36.159 --> 04:56:36.959 That's not fair. 04:56:37.119 --> 04:56:37.759 It's it. 04:56:38.319 --> 04:56:39.119 I don't get it. 04:56:39.279 --> 04:56:41.279 But it's we know it's the emotional way, right? 04:56:41.360 --> 04:56:42.639 We're supposed to feel it. 04:56:42.880 --> 04:56:43.759 I don't feel it. 04:56:43.919 --> 04:56:44.880 I feel like the barf. 04:56:45.119 --> 04:56:45.279 Okay. 04:56:45.439 --> 04:56:45.520 Yeah. 04:56:46.159 --> 04:56:47.680 So, funniest moment. 04:56:49.599 --> 04:56:50.400 I don't have one. 04:56:50.560 --> 04:56:55.040 There really isn't many funny, like that made me like took on my funny moments. 04:56:55.200 --> 04:57:03.919 Maybe um, there's only two that come into my head is when Kamala says, Oh, Captain, my captain, and Monica looks at her like, huh? 04:57:04.000 --> 04:57:04.880 What's wrong with you? 04:57:04.959 --> 04:57:08.799 Like that's that's a little funny, that's a little quirky. 04:57:09.200 --> 04:57:14.720 The other one is uh Monica like vibing to the music when she's like, Yeah, yeah. 04:57:14.959 --> 04:57:17.759 I'm like, okay, I that's a little chuckle, but that's it. 04:57:17.840 --> 04:57:20.000 There's nothing else that's like funny. 04:57:20.159 --> 04:57:21.279 No, yeah. 04:57:21.680 --> 04:57:22.240 Alright. 04:57:22.560 --> 04:57:23.520 Emotional moment. 04:57:23.759 --> 04:57:27.680 Uh when she sacrifices up at the end, Monica, I think that means a lot. 04:57:28.000 --> 04:57:31.200 I think it definitely was probably the better moment of the movie. 04:57:31.439 --> 04:57:31.759 I agree. 04:57:33.439 --> 04:57:34.799 I think that she thought that she was gonna die. 04:57:34.959 --> 04:57:35.119 Yeah. 04:57:35.680 --> 04:57:37.040 I think we kind of thought she was two. 04:57:37.279 --> 04:57:37.680 Mm-hmm. 04:57:38.080 --> 04:57:38.560 Yep. 04:57:38.959 --> 04:57:39.599 I agree. 04:57:39.759 --> 04:57:41.759 All right, final scores, y'all. 04:57:42.080 --> 04:57:45.680 So story out of two for you. 04:57:46.799 --> 04:57:48.319 Um a one. 04:57:48.959 --> 04:57:50.479 I gave it a point five. 04:57:50.959 --> 04:57:51.680 Characters. 04:57:52.080 --> 04:57:52.639 Point five. 04:57:53.040 --> 04:57:54.000 I gave it a one. 04:57:54.959 --> 04:57:56.319 Um, action visuals. 04:57:56.479 --> 04:57:57.360 This is a one. 04:57:58.080 --> 04:57:58.400 Okay. 04:57:58.639 --> 04:58:01.040 I think there's moments it looks good, then there's moments I'm like, oh. 04:58:01.759 --> 04:58:02.159 Mm-hmm. 04:58:02.400 --> 04:58:06.400 But I appreciate the the scope of it though. 04:58:06.479 --> 04:58:06.880 Mm-hmm. 04:58:07.040 --> 04:58:10.240 So Yep, I I give it a one as well. 04:58:10.400 --> 04:58:11.360 Emotion and Sakes. 04:58:11.599 --> 04:58:12.080 Point five. 04:58:12.240 --> 04:58:13.200 Yep, point five for me. 04:58:13.439 --> 04:58:13.840 Don't care. 04:58:14.000 --> 04:58:14.400 Mm-hmm. 04:58:14.560 --> 04:58:15.040 Yep. 04:58:15.520 --> 04:58:17.599 Rewatchability and MCU impact. 04:58:17.840 --> 04:58:24.959 So unfortunately, it's gonna get a a one because I can't judge the MCU impact. 04:58:25.919 --> 04:58:29.040 But it's rewatchability is I never want to watch this movie again. 04:58:29.279 --> 04:58:29.680 Yep. 04:58:29.919 --> 04:58:31.599 I'm the exact same way with you. 04:58:31.759 --> 04:58:34.639 I I could go without watching this movie ever again. 04:58:34.880 --> 04:58:36.799 But we know it's impact the MCU. 04:58:36.880 --> 04:58:37.360 We know it is. 04:58:37.599 --> 04:58:37.919 Yes. 04:58:38.000 --> 04:58:39.439 But see, that's another thing. 04:58:39.599 --> 04:58:41.919 Like I just said a few moments ago, guys. 04:58:42.080 --> 04:58:48.639 If Doomsday does not include this post-credit scene from this movie, it's a waste of a movie. 04:58:48.799 --> 04:58:50.880 I don't know why they would do not do that. 04:58:51.279 --> 04:58:57.360 But uh for that reason alone, because we see the X-Men and we know they're gonna be a big part of it, and it's leaning into Doomsday. 04:58:57.439 --> 04:58:59.439 I feel like this is at least a one. 04:58:59.840 --> 04:59:00.799 So, yeah. 04:59:01.040 --> 04:59:03.040 Alright, final score. 04:59:06.159 --> 04:59:09.680 Reminder, we gave Ant-Man the was Quantumania 2. 04:59:11.439 --> 04:59:13.919 Do you think this is exactly that level? 04:59:14.000 --> 04:59:16.959 Or is there some redeeming qualities to this? 04:59:22.240 --> 04:59:23.919 At least Carol tells them what happened. 04:59:24.080 --> 04:59:26.159 She doesn't say it's a secret the whole time. 04:59:27.599 --> 04:59:35.279 If she did that and we find out right at this scene, you know, the Darben's dying, what actually happened, I would have been like, are you kidding me? 04:59:38.799 --> 04:59:47.200 Okay, so yeah, I think because at the very I hate it though. 04:59:47.360 --> 04:59:52.000 I can't oh my god, I'm I am like, I wanna give it a three. 04:59:52.319 --> 04:59:58.479 But there's two things right now that are keeping me from it. 04:59:58.799 --> 05:00:02.799 And well now there's three, so it makes me even think more so. 05:00:03.040 --> 05:00:05.520 The 30-year thing got to me. 05:00:07.119 --> 05:00:08.319 Yeah, I think that's a really good thing. 05:00:09.840 --> 05:00:11.599 And now I have to. 05:00:11.919 --> 05:00:17.439 Um, this movie is just terrible writing overall, anyways. 05:00:17.759 --> 05:00:40.880 And this is the pinnacle of exactly what I didn't want the MCU to do, which is this is a this is literally like this movie, guys, is straight up like if you had a TV show that had a few seasons and they said, no, we're making the movie for it, and they're never good. 05:00:41.200 --> 05:00:42.639 That's this movie. 05:00:43.200 --> 05:00:44.479 So this movie's a two.

05:00:44.959 --> 05:00:45.599 Sorry. 05:00:46.080 --> 05:00:53.520 I think I think Ant Man in this movie as a double feature for a shit fest is a really good, is a really good double feature. 05:00:53.840 --> 05:00:54.080 Okay. 05:00:54.639 --> 05:00:56.720 You want to see the worst of the MCU? 05:00:56.880 --> 05:00:58.240 Put these two on. 05:00:59.040 --> 05:01:01.360 We haven't gotten to the worst worst yet, y'all. 05:01:01.599 --> 05:01:02.080 Believe me. 05:01:02.479 --> 05:01:03.119 Last torture. 05:01:03.279 --> 05:01:04.639 Well, I'm not trying to do that to you. 05:01:06.720 --> 05:01:13.520 So I could not give this the same as Ant-Man Was Quantumania. 05:01:13.840 --> 05:01:14.639 Why not? 05:01:15.840 --> 05:01:20.639 Because I think this has a lot more favorability than that other one. 05:01:20.799 --> 05:01:21.759 Than that one. 05:01:24.000 --> 05:01:30.159 But I cannot give this high or even high, mid-low, or anything like that. 05:01:30.240 --> 05:01:31.919 So I gave this a 2.5. 05:01:36.479 --> 05:01:38.400 I think it's just that 0.5, isn't it? 05:01:38.639 --> 05:01:39.759 It's just a 0.5. 05:01:40.560 --> 05:01:43.200 I was waiting for him to be like, oh my gosh, what are you gonna do? 05:01:43.279 --> 05:01:44.400 What are you gonna do? 05:01:45.520 --> 05:01:59.599 So that means, guys, that if I did this right, the official Goodell Multiverse score for the Marvels is a 2 out of 10. 05:02:01.279 --> 05:02:01.919 Yeah. 05:02:02.720 --> 05:02:03.680 I like it. 05:02:05.919 --> 05:02:06.560 All right. 05:02:06.880 --> 05:02:08.000 I think that's fair. 05:02:08.240 --> 05:02:08.720 Yep. 05:02:09.599 --> 05:02:13.279 I feel so bad for Cap Captain Marvel. 05:02:13.599 --> 05:02:18.639 I want I want her sequel to be like winter soldier level stuff for her, you know. 05:02:19.119 --> 05:02:21.520 I think we'd be over her though if we never saw her again. 05:02:21.759 --> 05:02:22.720 That's so sad. 05:02:22.880 --> 05:02:23.520 That's so sad. 05:02:24.240 --> 05:02:24.880 I think it's true. 05:02:25.119 --> 05:02:26.000 Well, all right. 05:02:26.159 --> 05:02:27.520 Well, okay. 05:02:28.000 --> 05:02:29.680 What's next on our agenda? 05:02:30.080 --> 05:02:32.000 All right, guys, so I apologize. 05:02:32.159 --> 05:02:37.520 So next week we do have a branch point breakdown, and it is going to be another. 05:02:38.240 --> 05:02:42.479 Oh, I am so sorry, but it's gonna be Secret Invasion. 05:02:44.720 --> 05:02:46.319 I'm so sorry. 05:02:47.360 --> 05:02:48.479 Feel sorry for us. 05:02:48.560 --> 05:02:50.240 We have to watch it and just review it for you. 05:02:50.400 --> 05:02:51.520 Yeah, you guys don't gotta watch it. 05:02:51.599 --> 05:02:53.360 We gotta go watch that thing. 05:02:54.159 --> 05:02:57.919 Um, and try to find good things. 05:02:58.080 --> 05:03:00.799 There's a few things, I guess, is fun, but anyways. 05:03:00.959 --> 05:03:07.680 Uh, but then at least we get a good break and have a really awesome retrospective to do that I think we're gonna have fun talking about. 05:03:07.840 --> 05:03:08.240 Oh, yeah. 05:03:08.400 --> 05:03:10.000 This one will be a lot of fun, I think. 05:03:10.080 --> 05:03:11.919 Because this is this might be a long one. 05:03:12.080 --> 05:03:14.240 I got a lot to say about this movie. 05:03:14.639 --> 05:03:17.919 And the movie is, of course, guys, Deadpool will read. 05:03:18.080 --> 05:03:22.000 Ooh! And surprisingly, it was a great time when we saw it. 05:03:22.080 --> 05:03:23.360 I've seen it several times. 05:03:23.759 --> 05:03:27.360 This is definitely a very rewatchable film, so it's gonna be easy. 05:03:27.520 --> 05:03:33.599 But there's a lot to say in this, and just be prepared for theories galore, because we got TVA stuff, you know how it's gonna go. 05:03:33.759 --> 05:03:34.560 You guys have all seen. 05:03:34.880 --> 05:03:37.119 If you haven't seen it, then who the hell are you? 05:03:37.919 --> 05:03:39.439 Because you everybody's seen it. 05:03:39.520 --> 05:03:45.119 So it was the number one uh highest rated rated R movie for a long time. 05:03:45.279 --> 05:03:45.759 Yeah, you can't. 05:03:45.919 --> 05:03:47.439 Actually, up until Obsession, I believe, right? 05:03:47.599 --> 05:03:49.840 Even the Amish got a TV to watch this movie. 05:03:50.400 --> 05:03:56.000 So just saying it'd be it's gonna be fun to talk about because it's some of my favorite Wolverine stuff, too. 05:03:57.599 --> 05:03:58.080 All right. 05:03:58.319 --> 05:04:02.479 Well, guys, thank you for staying with us on the Godell Multiverse podcast. 05:04:02.639 --> 05:04:06.799 You can find us on uh Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and X. 05:04:07.279 --> 05:04:08.720 Please like and subscribe. 05:04:08.880 --> 05:04:13.040 We are on YouTube, so if you're just listening to an audio version, we have a video version of this. 05:04:13.119 --> 05:04:14.400 Go to our YouTube page. 05:04:14.639 --> 05:04:19.119 Um, please subscribe, please like, please comment, get the algorithm going for us. 05:04:19.279 --> 05:04:24.080 Stream us wherever you stream Buzz Sprout, Spotify, Apple. 05:04:24.720 --> 05:04:27.040 If there's a pair, we're probably on it too. 05:04:27.200 --> 05:04:30.000 So thank you so much for uh tuning into us. 05:04:30.080 --> 05:04:32.080 And until next time, we'll see you at the movies.