28 - Pascal Printing, The importance of printing to display your work and building community. bölümünün tam dökümü

once a year, but I missed the last season. 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:33.120 And um that's the Powder Kingdom, Japan, and best culture, best people, best food. 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.079 I mean, it's that's snow surfing over there. 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:37.519 Yeah, Japan is the best. 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:42.079 I I don't know anything about the mountains or anything like that, but I've spent some time in Japan and I'm definitely falling in love with it. 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:43.360 There's a reason everyone goes. 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:45.120 It's and they love photography. 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:45.519 Yeah. 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:47.360 You know, just it's insane. 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.319 Japanese have a lot of respect for the arts, that's for sure. 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:53.120 Well, I mean, they m they also make all the machines in here. 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:53.680 Oh. 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.079 All my Epsons are Japanese, my monitor is Japanese. 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:00.560 Pretty much everything I use in my life is Japanese. 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.519 You know, I never made the correlation that Epson was a Japanese company. 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:04.079 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.079 And so is the uh Canon 2. 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:06.560 Okay. 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:14.560 So yeah, I mean, they're all the technologies coming out of Japan, the inkjet technology, and um and I mean the cameras. 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:22.480 I mean, look, the camera you're using, yeah, my Fuji camera, yeah, my Tacoma, right, my glasses, my snowboard, yeah. 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:24.560 Everything I use in my life is Japanese. 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.759 Yeah, my indestructible third gen foreign exhausting. 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:31.759 They're on the forefront of technology. 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:34.480 What's crazy is how small that country is. 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:36.720 Yeah, I I need to explore more of it. 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:41.759 I'm gonna go explore uh more of Hanchu this winter instead of going back to Hokkaido. 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:43.360 I'm gonna check out Uzawa. 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:44.160 What's that? 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:45.199 That's all up north? 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:49.759 Uh still no, it's uh I'd say it's west of Tokyo. 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:50.720 A few hours. 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:51.120 Okay. 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:52.240 Two, three hours. 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:56.879 There's a whole zone of mountains I've never been to because I just kept going back to Hokkaido. 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.519 I ended up in Yamanashi one night. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:00.480 Yamanashi. 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.279 I met a bunch of guys there, and we were pretty close to Mount Fuji. 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:05.920 So that was a pretty epic night. 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:10.720 So I know you do some landscaping, but I also know you do some amazing um portraits. 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:12.160 When when did you start

shooting? 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.319 How did photography become a part of your life? 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:16.319 Um, yeah, photography. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:29.360 I'd say, you know, my dad was he collected photos a little bit when I was younger, and I'd see him buy some big photographs and put them up on the wall, and I think that's when I really got inspired. 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.120 Um did he shoot? 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:32.720 He never really shot. 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:45.279 He might have taken a couple, you know, just point and you know, he wasn't an avid shooter, probably just some point and shoot cameras, but but I remember seeing some of his early photographs that he collected and just being around photography as a young kid. 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.399 I remember seeing some of those first big prints that were like big prints. 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:49.360 I was like, wow. 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:56.639 These are I just kind of really fell into them and just love seeing a massive photograph printed on paper. 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:00.720 Um because back in the day, yeah, there was there was no digital. 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.279 So, but then I think I really got more into it. 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:07.439 It was kind of in high school. 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:12.000 Yeah, I started taking in high school in Colorado in the 90s, mid-90s. 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:22.879 So um had some darkroom classes and and um yeah, I just started documenting my friends in high school, I guess. 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:27.519 Those are some of my earliest photos are my friends just in snowboarding, so a couple snowboarding shots. 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:27.839 Yeah. 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:31.199 And uh then that led to uh me. 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:43.120 Well then I went to college and and then I you know I kept taking a I was always I would have a photo class here and there, and then I just kept I kept being drawn back to it. 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.120 So I did a lot of dark room printing. 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:48.959 Um and then I that was in Oregon. 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:52.000 I went to school in Oregon for a year in Portland in '99. 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:59.680 So I did some uh still some early photographs then and then um what do you think drew you to photography? 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:01.439 What drew me to photography? 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:09.279 Um I think I moved around a lot when I was younger, you know. 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:28.800 Uh whether it was the parents getting divorced, moving to Texas, Colorado, and then and then Colorado to Oregon, Oregon, I went to Arizona, Arizona, did a stint in New York for a year, all in my early 20s, and um lived in Wyoming for a bit, worked at Jackson Hole Ski Resort for a little bit. 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:47.759 Just kind of I was all over, and I think just realizing how um just quickly how we move around and meet new people and how we leave those people and passage of like time just continually moving, and if we don't document it, it's like we can't reflect on it, we can't you know see. 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.840 I've always been like a I was a collector of like baseball cards when I was a kid, right? 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:57.600 So I collected cards, I collected basketball cards, I collected a lot of cards, anything visual, I was collecting. 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.919 I even collected stamps, I think. 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:20.799 So I was always a collector, and I like collecting images, and I think that's what traces back to is collecting photographs, is being able to collect photographs of people or places and moments in time and being able to look back on them and just have a whole, you know, it's just a whole library of images of your life. 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.039 It's it's it's always fascinating me, man. 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:23.600 Yeah. 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:26.960 I had a similar experience with um albums. 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:33.759 Like my dad had a bunch of albums, and I would just stare at those big albums, you know, all the different pictures and the pictures in the back. 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.559 They were so the four photography was so important. 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:36.879 Yeah. 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:38.559 For those, yeah, the vinyl. 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:38.960 Yeah. 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:44.720 And uh yeah, holding tangible, you're holding tangible photos. 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:45.279 Yeah. 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:56.480 So we're sitting in your print shop, and the one thing that I love about you and this space that we're in is that you've created a space for photographers. 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:13.600 You've made a community here where people come and have a place to print their work, they have a place to show their work, and they have somebody to sit with that knows what they're doing and will take the time to help them make the most out of their print. 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:20.080 And I'm seeing that um in the story that you just told me, how that kind of comes full circle. 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:22.080 How did this print shop come about? 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:24.320 Uh yeah, the print shop. 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:35.039 So let's say, I well I got my first inkjet printer probably in 2002. 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.399 So what is that almost 24 years ago? 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:44.480 It was like an Epson 2200, I forget the exact name, a 13 by 19 inch printer. 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:49.039 So, and that was I think early 2000s is when inkjet printing really got good. 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:51.200 In the 90s it wasn't there. 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:55.039 So that's why I was strictly in the darkroom mostly. 00:10:55.279 --> 00:11:08.879 And um, and that printer just I mean, to be able to print your photos in your bedroom or in your home, take a photo, print it out, and just see it come out of the machine and see that image revealed just blew my mind. 00:11:09.279 -->

00:11:13.279 And so um I've had inkjet printers since then. 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:25.039 So 2002, had that one for a bit, and then um the big one, the first big one I got was over there, the P8000. 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:30.559 So I got that in 2016 when I was living in Venice. 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:34.399 And did you get that with personal for personal use, or did you get that with the idea of the? 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:35.600 I got it just for personal use. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:46.000 Yeah, I was um yeah, I had a a breakup, went through a breakup of that time, and I just it was kind of impulse purchase. 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:57.679 Um I'd always had the small printers, but I'm like, okay, now I just you know, I think it was like I had it, I was super into art photography, and then I got kind of moved into the, you know, I was assisting photographers. 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:11.679 I came here from the Bay Area, I started assisting celebrity lifestyle, fashion, food photographers in my late 20s, into my early 30s, and I just got so involved and into that, assisting and lighting and helping other people produce the work. 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:23.600 I think I'd I'd I I'd still be taking my own photos, but I had lost track, I think, of printing my own work for a good chunk of time between my late 20s and I'd say, you know, 34, 35. 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.320 And so it hit me kind of mid 30s. 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.360 I was like, wow, I need to get back to printing my photos. 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:31.759 And I think people were starting to want more prints. 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:33.519 I mean, people were reaching out for prints. 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:49.919 And so yeah, I got the 44-inch printer around then 10, 11 years ago, and then I was able to sell my own prints to people, and because I had requests, and and then be able to put my images large on my walls again, which is very important for people to do, photographers to do. 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.600 You gotta be looking at your prints in your in your own home, in my opinion. 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:55.679 Makes you a better photographer, yeah. 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:56.559 Yeah. 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.279 So yeah, the 44-inch, and then yeah, I just started. 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:10.000 I think after that, um some people started hitting me up for some prints because yeah, these machines are difficult to manage and they're heavy and they're take a lot of room. 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:13.120 Yeah, not everyone has the big ones, a lot of photographers have the small ones, right? 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:15.759 But the big ones are it's a whole nother beast. 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:27.360 Um and so yeah, I just started printing for some friends, a few photographers, and then um, yeah, that and then this space really came together. 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:33.200 So, you know, post-pandemic, my photo shoots, my commercial shoots started slowing down. 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:35.919 I just saw kind of like my income going down. 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:42.799 I was like, but people were hitting me up to print more, and I just kind of saw that going up, and then my shoots going down. 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:54.799 So I just stayed up late a few nights thinking about it, and it's like, you know, I was doing it out of my garage here in West Adams, and I was like, I think I need to pivot more into printing and just helping more people get their images on the paper. 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:55.440 Yeah. 00:13:55.679 --> 00:14:00.480 And um, and then yeah, this I opened this place a year and a half ago. 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:01.759 It's not even been that long, man. 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:15.519 A year and a half, probably done 10 or 11 exhibitions here of other people's work, group shows, which I love to do, and um got this 64-inch machine and and started learning. 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:21.279 I mean, I knew about papers, but I didn't know I wasn't utilizing a lot of different papers because I had a tiny garage. 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:24.960 I couldn't store all these papers, and so I was really only using a couple papers. 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:37.759 And so I'd say in the last few years, man, I've actually I've learned a lot just about printing images on different kinds of papers and what you know what that does and how the images look and which images belong on certain kinds of papers, you know. 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:49.039 Yeah, whether it's a matte paper, a soft gloss paper, you know, a satin paper, different kinds of matte papers, textured papers, um, less texture, warmer papers, whiter papers, you know. 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:49.679 Yeah. 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:53.679 Um and um yeah, it led to this, man. 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:58.320 And I'm sh you know, it's it's scary to uh open a business by yourself. 00:14:58.480 --> 00:14:58.799 Yeah. 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:05.279 You know, especially on a main street when you know it's it's yeah, I stayed up late a few nights thinking about it. 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.799 But you gotta I'm so glad I did it, man. 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.679 You gotta step into the deep end and just step off the cliff and you know, pivot sometimes in life. 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.159 And I can't believe if I didn't do it, where I'd be, you know, what I'd be doing. 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.960 I've I mean I was on the borderline of changing careers, man. 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.720 I was like, I was reaching out to my buddy about selling doors and window frames. 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:25.279 Right. 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.799 Because I wasn't, you know, my yeah, my income had gone down. 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:43.440 So I was like, but I just love photography so much, and this print shop has helped keep me in it and killed it's reignited the passion I have for photography and and you know, yeah, printing my own work and just um really helping other people, you know. 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:49.600

Um and um what about the the community that you've built here? 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:52.000 Community in West Adams or the shop? 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:53.679 Yeah, just the shop in general. 00:15:53.759 --> 00:16:03.440 Like I've uh every time I come here, I always meet some photographer that you're printing with, and I'm able to conversate with them and to be able to see their work, and you're constantly having shows here. 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:08.480 So um what what has that done for you building a community of photographers and creators? 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.120 Yeah, I mean it's very important, man. 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:27.919 Um uh obviously community is important, but yeah, the photography community, we don't have a lot of spaces in LA um to come and you know, chit-chat about photos and you know, look at images and you know, there used to be the Annaberg space for photos. 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:29.440 I think they sh they shut down a while ago. 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:30.879 That was a cool space. 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:38.799 Um but photography is always kind of hasn't had a lot of spaces for people to come today together community-wise. 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:41.279 Um and so yeah, offering this space. 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:46.399 I mean, I have random people walk in here and just, you know, they're just I can see the fire. 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:54.399 Like they want to get their images on paper and they want to learn and they wanna, you know, they think about, oh, I can sell my photos, I can have an exhibition, you know. 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.279 I've done exhibitions for people here who have never printed their work before. 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:57.600 Yeah. 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.879 It's like yeah, I can do this and making it accessible, you know. 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:13.279 I'm not, you know, high these high-end galleries, you can't just go and bring your work in and you know, I'm not I'm not showing everyone's work here, but if I see there's it's quality imagery, then yeah, you know, you print with me, I'll give you a show, you know. 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:17.359 I'll like this group exhibition right here is up for you know five weeks. 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:24.000 Some of these ladies have never printed their photos before, um, never sold their photos before. 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:32.000 And the last opening, just to see the the joy, how much joy that brought everyone, the passion, the the love of the community. 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:36.160 Brought, I mean, I think over maybe 300 people came to this exhibition. 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:40.960 Um, Black Girl Shoe 2, um, that my friend Kai started. 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:55.519 And uh yeah, I mean, I think the exhibitions and having a space to showcase your work, and I think people uh they desire it, they need it, it's healthy. 00:17:55.759 --> 00:18:00.640 They you know, it's yeah, it's I see and a lot of the youth, I see it. 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.680 I mean, I'm gonna have another show July 11th, all Latino photographers here. 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:04.960 I think it should be a big one as well. 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:06.799 Yeah, that's the next big one. 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:08.640 Um we did it last summer. 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:10.960 Um, my friend Oscar curated it. 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:15.119 So we're gonna put that on, and yeah, art is the driver, man. 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:24.160 Photo's the driver, people are passionate about it, and you know, it's better than going to some club late night, and you know, it's like I see the sh the art shift happening. 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:26.240 People don't want to go to the clubs in Hollywood anymore. 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:27.039 They used to. 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:33.200 People need art, they want art, they want to exhibit come together more daytime style, you know. 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:37.039 But yeah, I think uh community, back to community. 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:39.279 People need spaces that come together. 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:41.119 I mean, it's LA too, right? 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:42.960 It's this is a visual city. 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:43.680 Yeah. 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:47.279 I mean, we just it every I mean so many creatives here too. 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:50.319 I mean, this is besides New York, this is an epicenter. 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:55.839 I mean, you know, Los Angeles gives it a get gets such a bad rap, and I might have something to do with that as well. 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:04.480 But I feel like, you know, per capita, there are so many artists here, and there's so much talent in Los Angeles. 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:30.640 Um but um you know, I was gonna say in this digital world that we live in, and you know, people showcasing, you know, most people showcase their art on Instagram, and most people are looking at these really small pictures that are like, yeah, you know, I was I was going through a bunch of bunch of old um photographs from my family the other day, and I came across all these um like wallet-sized pictures. 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:39.119 And I've I remember like, oh, we used to have like a mini Instagram in our wallet of carrying around pictures, carrying around pictures of special people. 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:46.799 But I feel like now people are realizing that you know that is not the best way to show your work. 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:56.559 So can you talk about the importance of just being able to print your work and to see your work large? 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.759 Yeah, get it off the internet and online. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:00.240 Yeah. 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:02.960 Instagram, I I'm an avid user of Instagram. 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:04.880 I signed on pretty early on. 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.680 My photographer friend that I was working for, this guy Craig Olson. 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:09.279 He's like, You gotta get on this platform. 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:12.480 He said it was

started by photographers for photographers. 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:13.920 Just showcase your work. 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:22.079 I mean I never really loved Facebook, you know, it was not my thing, but Instagram was made for photographers. 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:25.519 So I think it makes sense to use it, and that's really the only thing I use. 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:27.039 People try to get me to use TikTok. 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:27.839 I I can't do it. 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:28.640 Yeah, me not. 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:33.440 Um it's just a way to categorize your work, make a library of it. 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:34.400 You can look back. 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.279 It's I think it's very important, and most photographers should be doing it. 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.440 I understand some that don't want to do it, it's all good. 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:48.319 But yeah, to get your images off Instagram, off the internet, and put it on paper, obviously this is very important, that's why I started this space. 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:55.680 Um because the internet, yeah, it devalues a lot of things, right? 00:20:55.759 --> 00:21:12.079 Like uh even movies, uh books, um, photographs, yeah, because everything's free and everything's fast and everything's, you know, we don't spend much time, you know, really holding it and and putting images onto paper, it just it creates value. 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:16.799 It creates value and it you know, it makes you stare at it. 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.160 It's it's it's a statement. 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:27.119 It's you know, it makes you really I mean to even just print want to print your images, you know, it's it's it's uh it's a you know, it's kind of a bold thing. 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:27.359 Yeah. 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:29.599 Like I'm gonna make a permanent object. 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:36.000 Yeah that, you know, these images that if you're using these nice papers, these museum quality papers, will last two to four hundred years, if not longer. 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:37.759 You keep them out of the sun, right? 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:52.640 So you're making something that's gonna last long after you're gone for you know the grandkids or the family to see in a moment in time that you thought was important and precious and that you put it on paper for a reason. 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:55.920 And the internet, yeah, I mean, images. 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:09.680 I mean, I had a guy recently wanted to print an image and And it was on a CD not even that long ago, maybe it was 10 or 11 years ago, got put on a CD back when we used CDEs to instead of hard drives. 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:24.319 And he had trouble getting it off the CD recently, you know, and that got me thinking, I'm like, you know, having your image on paper is just it's you know, it's kind of future-proofing. 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:24.960 That's what it is. 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:34.160 Future proofing your image, I mean, the only way it can disappear is if it burns up in a fire, which is, you know, those are usually the first things you're grabbing when you're leaving the home are your photographs. 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:36.720 The most important thing that just shows you how powerful they are. 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:37.200 Yeah. 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:42.240 Um so yeah, I mean, we don't know how long hard drives are gonna last. 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:44.079 We don't know how long the cloud storage. 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:45.279 Things are always changing. 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:46.400 You know, I have old hard drives. 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:51.119 I I I I can't even figure out the right plugs to plug them in anymore to access my images. 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:51.440 Yeah. 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:55.680 And eventually that's all gonna keep changing and changing and changing, and things will fail. 00:22:55.839 --> 00:23:02.559 So in the end, if you don't get your images on paper, you're uh it's it's it could be bad. 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:03.200 Yeah. 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:03.759 Yeah. 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:14.799 My brother was a photographer who passed away, and my mother and father also passed away, and and I always say the most valuable thing I have is the hard copy photos. 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:24.880 Like I have a lot of the negatives too, but like all the photos that my father took of his family, and then I found all these pictures of of f images he got from his family. 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:35.920 So like I have this whole catal, like I just have like boxes of all all this film, and it's it's so valuable to me because if I lose them or if something happens to them, that it's just gone. 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:37.279 It's just completely gone. 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:39.440 And yeah, it's the only thing that my daughter has. 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:50.960 And you know, when I do show them to her, it's a completely different experience when she's holding an image in her hand as opposed to me flipping a phone or a can or on a computer. 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:52.240 It doesn't hit her the same. 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:53.039 She doesn't retain it. 00:23:53.680 --> 00:24:08.480 But when she holds the image, she you know, she remembers what's in the background, she like the color and she's really inspecting it and she's probably holding it for I think I saw most people go to museums and look at art pieces for 15 to 30 seconds. 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:09.039 Right. 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:18.480 You know, so you're actually really looking into the image in every corner and looking around and you know, being like, how does this piece of the image, you know, correlate with this? 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:20.400 And what's the what does that mean? 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:24.160 And you know, with the internet and Instagram, we're scrolling. 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:24.559 Yeah. 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.359 It's boom, you see the image maybe what, a second or two. 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:27.599

Yeah. 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:29.119 It ain't 15, 30 seconds. 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:30.960 I mean, as you really dive into it. 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:35.359 But yeah, most people are just, it's yeah, it's really um. 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:44.400 Yeah, it's good for I think that's why the younger generation is really wanting to print more of their photos and they're shooting film, right? 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:45.519 They want that tangible. 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.400 They want to be able to hold things, they want to be able to look at it longer. 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:54.960 They want to, it's it's a counter attack against the digital and the AI and everything that's happening right now. 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:55.359 Yeah. 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:56.799 Film is booming. 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:00.319 I think I think the print business is only gonna go up and up and up. 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:05.200 Um, so yeah, it's uh in a world of speed. 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.559 Everything's so everything is just flying by these days. 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:09.200 And disposing. 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:12.960 And we're digesting images like more than you know, we drink water. 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:13.359 Yeah. 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:14.720 We digest them every day. 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:16.079 I mean, we all do it, I do it. 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:19.920 We're digesting so many, and what do we really retain of those images, you know? 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:31.599 So to put an image on a piece of paper and put it up in your house or put it in a show, and it's stagnant and it's there to be looked at over and over and over and over for years and years and years, that's a powerful statement, man. 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:33.200 It's a powerful thing to do. 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:37.839 And um, it makes you a better photographer, it's made me a better photographer. 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.000 And um, yeah, it's very important. 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:42.960 Very important. 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:56.559 Well, let me talk about this community here, because uh I kind of stumbled across this this area, and but instantly it just reminded me of like certain areas of Brooklyn before they really got popular. 00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:58.799 How how long have you been in this area? 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:02.720 Yeah, you know, it's uh I came over here, what was it? 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:08.160 Uh I was in Venice for 10 years, and I moved over here in 2016. 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:12.960 I'd been coming over here because uh my friends had a warehouse down the street on Jefferson. 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:18.240 Some of my friends from Jelena, they had like a late night, a breakman brewery, it was called. 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.000 So they did music shows and kind of a speakeasy bar. 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:26.480 It was like a it was a social underground, speakeasy gathering spot. 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:28.799 And yeah, it was just right down the street here. 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:35.440 So I was coming over, I was, I don't know, 20, 2010, 2011, 2012, I think that's when they were doing it. 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.480 And uh I just I was like, you know what? 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.279 It was not that it was easy to get to here. 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:59.839 Wasn't it's right in the middle of LA, it was like I like the location, it was you know, it was mostly Latino uh community around here, which I love, and uh the sense of community is very strong, and um and you know it's obviously a ch the neighborhood's changing, right? 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.000 You know, this was a laundromat before. 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:02.799 Right. 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.759 Um and uh you know, all these buildings, it's a lot of new things coming up. 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.319 As you know, most neighborhoods they change over time, they do. 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:17.440 And uh I think that's reminds me of of Brooklyn when like I was always moving to places that I could afford. 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:27.759 Yeah, I mean they weren't the best places ever, yeah, but they had like these big beautiful buildings, and then somebody opens up a cafe and somebody opens up a restaurant, and then all of a sudden more people start moving here and yeah. 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:32.240 I mean, when I was living in Venice in 2006, seven, it was totally different. 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:52.799 I mean um yeah, I mean neighborhoods change, but I don't think this one, this one, the culture is staying strong in this neighborhood, I believe, just because uh I mean there's so many cultures right here in Mid City and West Adams and Crenshaw, and um we're also not by the ocean, so that's you know not drawn super heavy tourists. 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.200 Um a lot of artists are moving here, yes. 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:56.960 Um it's more affordable. 00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.759 I mean, that like you said, you you know, that's it just happens. 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:01.839 People move to more affordable neighborhoods. 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:05.839 Um but you gotta move in here and you know give back to the community. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.839 Yeah, can't just move here and take, you know. 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.240 Yeah, you can't just move here because it's cheaper, you know. 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:10.799 Right. 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.440 And um you gotta give back. 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.440 And and hopefully that's what I'm trying to do, get back to the community. 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:20.480 I'll do, you know, I do memorial photos for the neighbors for free, you know. 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:24.559 I'll you know, I'll I you know, give lots of free prints away to the neighbors. 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.640 I take pictures for the neighbors, you know, all the time. 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:35.519 They ask me to do a quinceanera photo or family photos, or you know, um so yeah, giving back to the community of West Adams, very

important. 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:38.799 So um what else were you asking? 00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:40.319 No, that was pretty much it. 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.480 And uh, you know, you talking about giving prints away. 00:28:42.559 --> 00:29:04.079 I mean, I don't don't not I don't want everybody to expect this, but I I appreciate how um committed you are to the craft and how you're willing to take chances for other photographers, and I could speak on that because when I was doing my show Canyon Peacocks, I had an idea what I wanted to do, and you were like, wow, this would look really good on metallic. 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:06.960 And the minute you said metallic, I was like, ugh. 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.559 Like, I'm not putting my prints on metallic paper, that just sounds horrible. 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:17.519 And you saw the look on my face, and you were like, Alright, let me just do it, and if you don't, like I'll I'll just do it for free. 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:18.960 I just want you to see what it looks like. 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:19.519 Yeah, yeah. 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.000 And I couldn't that then my whole show was metallic. 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.400 Like I couldn't believe how amazing the cars looked on metallic. 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:25.599 Made sense for the cars. 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:33.839 But it just goes, it speaks to the fact that you you care about the craft because you could have easily just said, like, alright, dude, like if that's what you want, let's do it. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.160 You know, I got other things to do. 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:37.359 Yeah, yeah. 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.680 No, dude, I'm you know, uh yeah. 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:45.200 Every person that comes in here, I'm gonna sit down, I'm gonna look at the images, I'm gonna suggest papers, I'm gonna show you papers. 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.279 Um, yeah, I'm a one-man show, you know. 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:58.720 I want I want everyone that leaves here to be happy and feel like they've learned something and that they're growing as a photographer and artist, not just like a, you know, I'm not just you know, I'm just yeah, I'm not just trying to get your money, you know. 00:29:58.960 --> 00:29:59.680 I do it for the love. 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:00.960 I'm a photographer. 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:05.759 So, you know, I you know, I'm not I'm not even a businessman, you know. 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.160 I'm learning the business side right now as we speak. 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.079 Um and how's that going? 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.160 Uh yeah, I'm I'm learning every day, man. 00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:13.279 Yeah. 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:13.680 Yeah. 00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.119 I got to be more to you, right? 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:15.599 You don't have to do it. 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:16.400 It's just me, man. 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:17.200 It's just me, yeah. 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:20.720 So that's why, you know, you know, I have right

now I have clamp lights for my walls. 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.200 I don't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't have track lighting. 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:25.200 Maybe the next space, I'll get some track lighting. 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.640 I want to keep the next space, because I have to move out of here eventually. 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.599 Who knows when, but yeah, next space. 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:35.440 Hopefully I want to get some walls and keep doing the exhibitions because I don't want to just be a print lab. 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:48.240 I want to I want to showcase people's work, give the opportunity for people to showcase yeah, group exhibitions, solo exhibitions, and um yeah, I want to keep that going because I mean that's that's what it's all about, you know. 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:49.680 I just don't want to be a print factory. 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.559 Yeah, I never want to be a big warehouse print factory. 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:53.680 That's not what I'm trying to do here. 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:54.079 Right. 00:30:54.319 --> 00:31:00.079 That being said, what what do you think one mistake that you see a lot of photographers make when they come here and want to print something? 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:00.960 Resolution. 00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:14.720 A lot of people don't understand resolution and how big they can print their files without them being super pixelated or you know how how you shot your what camera you shot your file on and how that correlates with how big you can print it. 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:23.839 Um yeah, so I'll I'll make you know I'm not gonna print a massive print for someone if I don't think it's gonna look good. 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:24.880 You know? 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:25.359 Yeah. 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:26.640 I wouldn't do that. 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:43.039 So I you know, I look at the file resolution, the size, and I always suggest, oh, you can go this big with this file, you know, unless you can find the raw file and reprocess it, or you know, there's you could use AI, but I know a lot of people are against it to enlarge, but I don't recommend it. 00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:44.000 But yeah. 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:46.400 Yeah. 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:52.720 But um, but speaking about that, do you um has AI changed anything? 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.519 Your approach or in your style of work or anything for you? 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:12.160 Um I I literally I only use it for a few people that they only have like kilobyte size files, or not even the megabytes, and they really want something printed a little bigger. 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.000 I'm like, well, if you can't find the original, this is all you got. 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:23.359 I think AI can just it just smooths it out so you can print it a little bigger and it doesn't look pixelated. 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.240 But how is that different from just going into Photoshop and enlarging the size of the image? 00:32:29.359 -->

00:32:34.559 Well, if you just enlarge in Photoshop, yeah, it would be really pixel, it wouldn't, it wouldn't, yeah, it wouldn't come out looking. 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:43.920 So AI is able to go in and kind of interpolate and somehow smooth out those pixels and just make it so it prints smoother, I would say. 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:51.519 I just like, yeah, I mean it's I've I've used it a few times for people, and you know, some people are fine with it, you know, and some people don't want to even want to touch it. 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:52.480 I get it. 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:59.680 Um I don't want to use it on my own work, I don't think I've ever used it for my own work, but I think a guy, yeah, from Baldwin Hills came down. 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:06.000 He had an image from Rio de Janeiro of like and it's super tiny, and he really wanted to enlarge it for his house just a little bigger. 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:10.240 So I was like, well, we could use this Topaz Gigapixel AI. 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:12.960 That's basically there's a bunch of softwares, but that's one of them. 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:14.480 He was happy with it, man. 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.680 So if you're happy with it, then it's just another tool. 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:18.640 That's how I look at it. 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.000 But I'm not trying to use AI at all, really. 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.480 What technically about an image takes it from a good print to an amazing print? 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:30.240 A good print to an amazing print. 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.680 Oh, well, that goes back to the paper. 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.640 Um yeah, I mean, it depends. 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.440 This is a metallic paper, the one that you printed your works on. 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.000 I mean, it really depends on paper choice, right? 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.759 You know, here's a uh Japanese paper with decled edges. 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:49.200 Softer effect. 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:56.480 Um yeah, the paper choice is very important, and I've you know I've learned a lot through my friend Eric over at Freestyle about paper. 00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:07.920 And um, yeah, paper choice is well, first I gotta see the image, and then you know, I'll suggest a paper, and then I'll suggest a couple papers, and then I let people kind of choose the paper they gravitate towards. 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.480 You know, and yeah, paper choice is very important. 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:11.920 People don't realize it is. 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:20.320 People, you know, they're used to printing their photos at, you know, whatever CVS or getting just super glossy photos, and they just don't even think about the paper, you know. 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.239 And like these are a lot of the papers I've here are 100% cotton papers, right? 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.239 So they'll they're this that's why they're super archival the last hundreds of years. 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:34.000 There's um and a lot of these papers I carry on for a reason is they don't have any optical brighteners. 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:39.199 So they won't um fade or yellow as quickly, and the longevity will be there. 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.199 And um what is an optical brightener? 00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:46.639 Optical brighteners is basically chemicals they put in paper to make it brighter white. 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.360 Um, you know, so most papers we see have optical brighteners in them. 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.880 Um and those break down over time and deteriorate. 00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:00.480 That's why you look at old family photos, they're starting to they become really yellow or they start to disintegrate. 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:10.639 And um yeah, optical brighteners, they're you know, they're in a lot of fine art papers, but I'm trying to carry a lot of papers here that don't have them. 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.599 I'd say 90% of the papers I have here don't have them. 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:19.039 Some people say they're okay, some people there's kind of a whole conversation about that. 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:24.800 We could go on for a while about it, but yeah, I mean I'm trying to carry mostly um no OBA papers here. 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:33.920 Um because I think again, back to the longevity, I want your images to last for hundreds of years and look how they did when we printed them. 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:38.400 You know, if you keep them out of sun and maybe if you frame them, you know, it's better. 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.320 Um yeah, paper choice is important. 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.960 Um, you know, the printers, the printers are so good now. 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:51.360 So I mean, as long as you're using Canon or Epson, I mean, those are the the best, you know, you gotta use pigment inks, right? 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.440 Dye-based ink doesn't last. 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.239 So pigment inks that is very important. 00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:03.519 So if you want longevity and to be truly called an archival print, you gotta be using uh pigment inks. 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:07.360 Um this printer I think has like is it 12 colors? 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:14.159 Um and nozzles, it has like 9,600 nozzles laying down ink. 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.159 I mean, it's it's a magic thing, these printers. 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:16.559 Yeah. 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.840 What do you think the biggest misconception or of the biggest misunderstanding when people come here to print? 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.199 Um resolution. 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:24.719 I think I touched on that earlier. 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.360 Resolution, how big I can print my photos. 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:34.559 Um, you know, people want to print their iPhone photos massive, and I'm like, well, you know, those iPhone billboards are completely they're a lie, right? 00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.840 And they're just those are massive pixels on the billboard

you can't really see, you know. 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.440 They're and then there's hundreds of people working on those images, probably using AI to enlarge them, who knows? 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:50.400 So yeah, people think, yeah, big misconception is people think they can print their images massive and they'll look incredible. 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:50.800 Right. 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:57.840 You know, but that it, you know, then it comes back to the yeah, uh technology of cameras, like how many megapixels is your camera, right? 00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:58.079 Yeah. 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:04.239 Reason I shoot a medium format Fuji GFX is because it's a hundred megapixels, it's meant for printing. 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:11.280 And I switched over to I was shooting medium format film, which is great for printing as well, because it's just it's a bigger, it's a bigger negative. 00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:21.039 So it's in the medium format cameras, it's a bigger sensor, so there's more information, there's more pixels, um, which leads to bigger prints, you know. 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:30.079 But then some people don't care having super pixelated images, and it's fine to have big images that are super pixelated if you know you're viewing them from a certain distance, you know. 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.480 It's funny because maybe pixels are the new uh green, grainy photos. 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.639 Pixels are the new grainy photos. 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.719 What is something that something about you that might surprise people? 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:44.480 I love growing food, gardening. 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:45.440 Oh, nice, nice. 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:46.639 Yeah, we talked about that. 00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:52.719 Yeah, you know, uh tending to, yeah, I just planted some tomatoes, I got uh, I mean they're all in planters, right? 00:37:52.800 --> 00:38:00.320 I don't have much space, but I'm growing tomatoes, cucumber, chilies, um, got a passion fruit vine on the fence. 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:00.960 Nice. 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:11.199 Um yeah, nurturing a plant, growing it, and then uh and then being able to consume it and taste what you nurtured. 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.960 It's kinda uh you can correlate that to printing and photography, right? 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:26.800 Yeah, taking the photo, working on it, you know, in the dark room or in Photoshop, and then actually printing it is like cons like actually consuming it. 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:27.199 Yeah. 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:36.719 So it's like um, yeah, if you're not printing your photos, it's kind of like just growing the plant and cooking it and then just staring at it, right? 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:44.719 Putting it on the paper and printing it is like can now you can actually consume it and really dive into it and share it. 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:45.679 And share it. 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:46.320 Yeah, yeah. 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:48.079 So yeah, sharing a meal. 00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:53.119 Yeah, so I I'm yeah, I'm a big uh I go to the farmers market every Wednesday. 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.039 I like to support local farmers. 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:56.079 Uh which one? 00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:57.119 Santa Monica. 00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:58.880 Yeah, I I've never been to Santa Marketing. 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.760 But any any farmer's market is great to support. 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:03.599 Um but that Santa Monica one is. 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:07.360 Well, obviously that's the one all the best all the all the restaurants go to. 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:09.440 I used to get to see some of my chef friends. 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.559 I used to shoot food and beverage and some restaurant stuff. 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:18.639 So yeah, it's kind of like get to say hi to some people, but yeah, um, food is very important to me. 00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:22.239 Um supporting local farmers and just knowing where your food comes from. 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.480 That's something my mom always drove into me. 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:24.880 Yeah. 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.119 She grew a lot of her own food. 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:35.119 And um, yeah, nurturing a plant and growing it and then consuming it and organic, no pesticides, you know. 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:42.159 Yeah, that's a whole another rabbit hole about I could go off about our food culture here. 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:42.719 Yeah. 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:43.280 Yeah. 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:44.559 Yeah, we talked about this. 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:49.280 I I I uh I dropped off some uh veggies from my garden. 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:50.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:39:50.480 --> 00:40:03.360 Uh yeah, food is so important, man, and and I love being around chefs and seeing their passion and and um yeah, so yeah, I look at you know, a lot of this printing like that, you know, these are basically organic prints, right? 00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:11.760 When you don't have chemicals in them and you know, they're you know, I correlate it to uh yeah, farmers market food. 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.559 So um a couple more questions here. 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:21.360 What what should people know before they come to you and want to print their work? 00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.639 Best to email me so we can set up like an appointment. 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:34.880 I I I take walk-ins, but best to email me so we can set up an appointment, get a conversation going about what images you're interested in printing or what it's gonna be for, an exhibition, or you know. 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.840 Um so yeah, email me first. 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:49.760 Um or call, prefer email, and um then I'll set up an appointment and then you know, we can come in, take a look at whatever you need done, and uh give you my advice. 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.840 And um but I take walk-ins, right? 00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:57.119 You know, I I had some people come in, they needed a memorial

photo that day. 00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:03.199 Yeah, you know, so I'm like, yes, I can, you know, I can do a memorial photo right there for them, you know. 00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:03.920 They needed it. 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.239 So I do some same-day printing for people. 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.320 As long as I don't have a super crazy important exhibition I'm printing for. 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:10.880 Yeah. 00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:16.320 Edit down your images, yeah, and then I can help you edit it more too and give my constructive feedback. 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:17.679 Yeah, you did that for me too. 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:20.079 Which I'm I do all the time for people, right? 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:38.079 So it's like a little like constructive feedback critique about you know, maybe what I, you know, yeah, I give my what would look good on paper and what's important to you, and and um and then yeah, maybe try not to bring images on CDs. 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:44.079 So yeah, thumb drive, or you know, you can airdrop it here if it's not massive, or you know. 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.400 Um but yeah, usually drives are the best. 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.239 You've been doing this for a long time. 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.719 What what still excites you about photography? 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:59.679 What really excites me is seeing the the joy of people seeing their images printed for the first time, you know, the joy and the love and the yeah, the passion that I see. 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:07.599 And uh yeah, I mean, people come in here I all the time, never printed their images on nice papers ever. 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.559 It really blows my mind, you know? 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:14.639 Because then once they see that first print, it's like, yeah, it's addicting. 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.239 You want to keep printing your images. 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.920 I mean, you don't need to print all of them, but you should be printing more of your images and living with them and putting them up in your walls. 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.960 I've always, everywhere I've lived, I've always had my images on my walls. 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:33.280 And then you live with those images and then you you take them down, you replace them with new ones, so it's just a constant source of nutrition. 00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.360 Yeah, image nutrition. 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:40.000 And you learn and you get better at Tarver and you grow by printing your images. 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.920 And um so yeah, that inspires me. 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:48.400 And um let's see what else. 00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.280 Um I mean, I'm a shooter too, right? 00:42:51.360 --> 00:43:00.480 So I get you know, being around so many people, I haven't been shooting a lot, but since I do really enjoy shooting, that's why I got into this. 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.199 Um what's the last thing you shot? 00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:07.519 Uh personally, I haven't shot too much recently. 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.840 Um what's the last thing you shot? 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:15.039 I did print one of my landscapes recently, my Hollywood winter landscape I shot three years ago. 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:16.079 Yeah, that's gorgeous. 00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:16.880 I saw that post. 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:19.599 Yeah, so I mean here in the shop. 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:20.079 What's that? 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:21.360 Is that print here in the shop? 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:22.880 It's rolled up right over there. 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:25.280 43 by 76 inches. 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.400 So that's a 16-9 uh aspect ratio. 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:30.719 So yeah, aspect ratios are very important to think about. 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.400 Like what aspect ratio are you shooting in? 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.079 How's that gonna translate on a paper? 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.880 You know, you can change your aspect ratios, um, you know, and think about that way. 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:48.400 I don't do a lot of cropping of my own images, cropping's fine, but when you really start thinking about aspect ratios and how that's gonna lay on paper, that helps you become a better photographer as well. 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:55.039 Um so you can just get the most resolution out of your sensor because you start cropping, you're losing resolution, right? 00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:55.440 Yeah. 00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:01.599 So really thinking about aspect ratio is very important and Becoming a better photographer, yeah. 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:03.199 I mean, some people say it's all good to crop. 00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.920 Yeah, I think it's fine, but really you want the most info info out of that sensor. 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:08.400 Yeah. 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:14.239 Um but yeah, personally, I shoot a lot of you know, I'm I'm a big landscape guy, man. 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:15.920 I I you know I love landscapes. 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:17.519 I love surrounding myself in nature. 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:21.679 You know, I grew up going, my mom took me to all the national parks as a kid out west. 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:23.360 I've been to pretty much all of them. 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.920 You know, I was very avid outdoors, man. 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.440 I was climbing mountains, I was, you know, whatever, snowboarding. 00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.760 I'm I'm a nature dude, even though I live in the city. 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:34.639 And I love surrounding myself in my own. 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:39.519 And right now in my house I have photos of Japan, snowy winter landscapes. 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.239 Um I love photographing in Japan. 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:43.679 I love photographing the winter. 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:45.280 They just they calm me. 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.159 So I have some massive, they're pretty big. 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:49.840 I showcased them here for a second. 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.880 They're uh I'd say

they're 48 by 64 inches. 00:44:53.119 --> 00:45:02.719 So I have one above my bed, I have one in the kitchen, just these really tranquil, beautiful, snowy landscapes that make me feel good when I get home. 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:09.599 So it's really about what you you want to look at when you come home and what makes you makes you feel more at peace, right? 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:09.920 Right. 00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.119 Yeah, it could be a big portrait, it's fine, you know. 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.840 Um I used to shoot a lot of portraits. 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:18.960 Maybe someday I'll make a book of those. 00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:26.079 Um, but yeah, for me, a lot of landscapes, so I get you know I get more inspired now when I go on trips, you know. 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:28.000 So I don't have any trips planned yet. 00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:31.119 Maybe I'll go back to Japan uh in December. 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.239 But um, you know, I I went to Oaxaca. 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:36.400 Here's a here's a shot from Oaxaca. 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:37.519 Oh, that's yours. 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:37.840 Yeah. 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:39.920 All these images on the papers are mine. 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:40.719 That's beautiful. 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:47.760 See, I did uh went to Oaxaca a few times um with my friends from uh this restaurant, Amano, up in uh Idaho. 00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:53.360 They took me down there and and learned all about Oaxaca and did a little book on Oaxaca. 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:54.880 So I love Oaxaca. 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:55.760 Yeah, Oaxaca. 00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:57.199 I mean, everyone should go there. 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:05.679 Um here's a here's a shot of um some wild mustangs up uh near Mammoth. 00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:07.119 Amazing. 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.320 And um they're just out there living, man, these wild mustangs. 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:16.000 There's a that's yeah, that's a whole nother subject actually though. 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:23.440 Um, because they're starting to, you know, they're actually rounding up some of those mustangs. 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:24.480 It's not a good deal. 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:30.079 Um this is a landscape I shot uh from Santa Monica Pier. 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.719 Uh Golden Ocean. 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.920 Um here's a shot of my sister that on that you saw this earlier. 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:37.199 Yeah, it's such a beautiful shot. 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.159 Shot this 2007, probably on my Mamiya 7. 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.519 Um I really I really think your portraits are really amazing. 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:46.800 Thank you, man. 00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:48.480 Yeah, I have a lot of portraits no one's really seen. 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.039 That's why actually I've been diving into my archives. 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.559 I have a lot of film photos I'm scanning right now, so I might make a little book. 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.639 Um, probably

mostly of portraits, early portraits. 00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:03.039 Um I wanted to ask you, yeah. 00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.119 When people print, usually framing is an afterthought. 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.320 Oh, framing, yeah. 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:24.480 Is should people be thinking about framing more when they talk about aspect ratios and fra and image size, or is should you just focus on the image and the best size and then you figure the the the print out, I mean the frame out later? 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:30.000 Yeah, so what I always say is that you know, people want to they want a nice big print. 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.599 Where's that print gonna go, right? 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:33.039 It's gonna go above your bed. 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.039 Where what what space is it going into? 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:39.119 If it's not going to exhibition, where is that print gonna live for a long time? 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.760 Um so I always tell them to measure that space. 00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:44.320 You know, you want to fill that space properly, right? 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.039 You don't want it too small, you don't want it too big. 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:52.159 So really measuring the space where your print's gonna go is probably the first step before printing. 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.760 And then, you know, a frame usually adds a few inches. 00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:01.920 So yeah, measuring the space and then framing, yeah. 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.679 If it's gonna be in a ready-made frame, which are mostly smaller frames, I have some over there. 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:11.679 People need it last minute, they need it in a frame, you know, for an affordable cost, which is fine. 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:13.920 I'm not I have nothing against ready-made frames. 00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:18.800 Um it's a great quick, you know, thing to do. 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:24.239 And you have to think about, yeah, if what image is gonna fit in that ready-made frame, you know, down to the sizing. 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:24.960 Do I have to trim it? 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.519 You know, so that gets a little more tricky there. 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:33.760 But custom framing, I really it's about measuring where that image is gonna go, and then custom framing. 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:37.440 You can add a mat, you can keep the image right to the border. 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.199 You know, do you want your signature shown? 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:45.199 So then you give a little space on the below the image, so then you put a mat around that, or you just use the paper as a border. 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:46.559 I mean, there's many ways to go about it. 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:48.559 So, yeah, I talked that out with people. 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:49.840 A little bit of framing. 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:55.039 I offer um some framing through my friend's Sherman Gallery in Venice, so I have some samples here. 00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:02.239 But uh yeah, framing is very important to protect the image, having that layer of plexi. 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:08.400 I I always say plexi is better than glass, but um to protect it, yeah. 00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:15.360 I mean, because yeah, I if you don't, yeah, over time your image will just things will get on it. 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:16.719 Yeah, it'll get ruined. 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:26.800 But then there's something to be said for for not like I do shows here without frames just so you can really see the paper, and it's more affordable, and it's easier to hang. 00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:31.599 And this is how I've been doing shows here with just these clips, and it just makes total sense. 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:42.480 Um and then once these ladies take their images, then they can decide how they want to frame them or you know what they want to do with them, and and it's just easier to transport. 00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:46.159 And yeah, so I'm gonna keep doing shows, probably not framed. 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.639 And then, but when an image finally needs to live in its space, it probably should be framed. 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:55.519 I don't ask all my guests this question, but this the show is called shoot wisely. 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:56.320 Shoot wisely. 00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.239 It's something my brother always used to tell me. 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.280 What would your advice to shoot wisely be? 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:03.199 First advice, print your photos. 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.880 If you're not printing your photos, man, you're missing out. 00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:13.119 And you know, like I said, those images could disappear. 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:23.440 You know, you get them on paper, at least you can re-photograph them or scan them, or you know, don't don't trust the digital cloud and don't trust hard drives. 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:42.480 And um and get your images out in the world, you know, get your images living in whether it's a restaurant or your friend's place, or get get your images living and breathing out in the world that you know that you know bring uh joy to people and you know reflection. 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.119 And uh I mean that's why we do this. 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:53.119 So yeah, print your images, um whether it's with me or someone else, I don't care. 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.239 Um and let's see, what else? 00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.480 Definitely keep shooting. 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:08.639 Um and uh growing as uh, you know, keep pushing boundaries and uh don't get set in your ways. 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:12.239 Um, you know, we kind of pigeonhole ourselves. 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:18.559 And um like most people probably think I'm a landscape photographer because I print a lot of my own landscapes and that's what people mostly see. 00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:19.840 That's what I thought until I started. 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:20.559 Yeah, you don't know. 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.159 I I have a

lot of portraits, man. 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:26.719 Yeah, you know, so maybe I need to print more of those. 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:38.480 And um, so yeah, don't pigeonhole yourself and experiment and you know, and just keep pushing, you know, once you feel comfortable and it's time to change it up, you know. 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:42.320 If you know you're a portrait shooter, start taking some landscapes, you know. 00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:46.639 Um play with double exposures, triple exposures, quadruple exposures. 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:49.440 That show shot I just showed you earlier, that's a double exposure. 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.039 That's only where I got the sun and the moon. 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:52.639 Oh wow in one, you know. 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:58.719 I saw the moon, captured it, and I put it over the sunset because I saw it at the same time, and like they belong together. 00:51:58.800 --> 00:51:59.199 Right. 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:03.920 So, you know, um I love multiple exposures, those are fun to play with. 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:24.960 Um and um, yeah, uh besides printing, man, just being a good person, eating well, you know, trying to support your local farmers, support your community, um, be nice to each other. 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:31.519 Um yeah, there's a lot of competitiveness, I think, in the everything, right? 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.039 And I kind of felt it in the photo world a little bit when I was younger here. 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:42.239 Everyone's trying to be competitive, like, oh, especially in the commercial world, oh, they got that job, or why didn't I get that job, or how did you get that job? 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:44.639 It's like just throw all that out the window, man. 00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.400 There should be no competitiveness. 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:50.960 Get rid of all that, and just be like, I'm me, I'm shooting my photos, you know. 00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.239 You know, it's just and be patient, you know. 00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.320 And um, and yeah, I think yeah, community is very important. 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:05.920 That's why this space for photographers to come together, and there is no competition here, you know. 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.360 That's what's great about exhibitions. 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:11.760 Everyone's showcasing what they love and how they shoot and how they see. 00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:14.320 You gotta shoot personal work. 00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:27.039 I think that's what you gotta shoot your person, you gotta shoot your friends, you gotta capture your family, you gotta capture your life because you're the photographer in your own surrounding circle, and if you don't do it, maybe no one else is doing it. 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:31.920 It's like my family photos that I have been going through, all these negatives, four by five, six, seven. 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:35.280 Um no one else in my family took those photos. 00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:48.880 So they're very important to my brother now and and my family, and you know, I just my uncle passed away recently, and it's like, you know, you gotta be the photographer in your network and document it all because life is. 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.679 I'm I'm mid-40s now, and you said you're 50, but it goes by quick, man. 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:54.000 Yeah. 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.320 And you start really feeling it more in your 40s. 00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:58.320 And it's like life is fleeting, man. 00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.880 I got, you know, I had a friend that just passed away recently. 00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:01.920 Sorry to hear that. 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:03.920 Yeah, multiple people passed away recently. 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.480 It's just like it makes you think about what's that? 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.480 Unfortunately, the longer you live, the more people. 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:28.000 Yeah, and there's gonna be a lot more, I feel like, coming at me soon, and you know, um, whether I like it or not, it's just so then it's like, you know, so yeah, the best advice I can give is really to take those pictures that no one's taking in your surrounding network, just like you do, like all the photographers do. 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:42.559 But yeah, and not just not just the commercial and stuff, but you know, the family photos, the friends, like I said, uh the landscapes that you see, those sunsets that mean something to you that you know maybe no one else saw the way you saw it. 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:51.440 And um because yeah, in the end, that's you know what's what's remaining is our our photographs, right? 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:56.880 And hopefully by printing those, those will last for generations to come, and that's why I do this. 00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:02.880 And hopefully that inspires other people to come in and print their photos. 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:03.760 Awesome. 00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:18.880 I heard um I heard a photographer say that uh, and I can't remember who it was, but they said that you know, not all your pictures are gonna be like the one, you know. 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:23.280 But it's like it's like collecting change. 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:31.440 It's like you got pennies, you got quarters, you got some dollars in there, yeah, and then before you know it, you got this jar filled with all this money. 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:34.880 And together, it's it's worth a lot. 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:42.559 And I thought that was such a great way of putting it because some some pictures you take might be a penny, and other pictures you take might be, you know, yeah, a silver dollar. 00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:55.039 That makes me think about um I studied up at CCA in in Oakland with some legendary photographers, Jim Goldberg, Larry Sultan, Todd Haido, and uh Larry Sultan had a quote. 00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:56.079 I actually have it here. 00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:57.760 I was I'll read it. 00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:04.639 He says, When

it comes down to making work that really sings, I don't know if I can teach any of it. 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:08.000 I don't even know if I can do any of it half the time. 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:15.679 It's so much about failure, it's so much about making pictures that are so utterly boring and overstated, you're endlessly disappointed. 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.559 And in that process, you hopefully find something that always draws you back and calls to you. 00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:22.639 Great quote by Larry Sultan. 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:22.960 Yeah. 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.039 He passed away pretty young. 00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:28.639 But look up that guy. 00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:40.239 He's yeah, so yeah, I mean, yeah, keep shooting, man, because yeah, those some of those photos, just like this one that, you know, of my sister that you said. 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:40.719 Yeah. 00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.400 It's like, I'm so glad I took that picture, right? 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.000 How old is she there? 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:54.239 She's probably probably seven, eight, or seven or eight or nine. 00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:54.880 Yeah. 00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.719 And you know what's special too is you're probably the only person that could have taken that picture of her in that setting. 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:01.920 She's very vulnerable. 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:02.480 Yeah. 00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:06.800 You know, it's just her and I on the little walk in the park near where she grew up, you know. 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:07.280 Yeah. 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:12.719 And uh I actually documented her every year because I only saw her pretty much Thanksgiving. 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:17.920 I only saw her a little bit growing up, um once or twice a year. 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.320 So every time I saw her, I document her. 00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.679 Maybe that could be a book of her growing, getting older over the years, you know. 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:23.920 Yeah. 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.480 So that's the thing, thinking about time, like, yeah. 00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:31.920 Some things just come into little projects without you even knowing it, you know? 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.480 That's why I just keep shooting. 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:34.960 Yeah. 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:36.239 Shoot wisely. 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.599 Pascal, I really appreciate your time, man. 00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:40.480 It's always a pleasure. 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:41.039 Okay. 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:42.079 Thanks for having me, man. 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:42.800 Awesome. 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:43.360 Yeah. 00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:45.519 Thank you for listening to Shoot Wisely. 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:53.519 If you found something in this conversation that inspired you, moved you, or made you think a little differently, please share it with someone who might need to hear it. 00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:56.719 Your support means a lot, and it truly helps the show grow. 00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:03.599 If you enjoyed this episode, please like, subscribe, and leave a review or comment on your favorite podcast platform. 00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:08.400 Those small actions make a big difference and help more people discover these conversations. 00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:10.639 I'm your host, Amir Bahemi. 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:17.599 And remember, create with intention, live with curiosity, and always shoot wisely.