Donna Adelson Picks Rashbaum! Can She Beat the Rap?! bölümünün tam dökümü

tributes to 58 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:27.040 Dan's life and character are grounding, laying bare the immeasurable loss inflicted by his 59 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:31.800 murder. I hope his sons will one day find and read and get great 60 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:36.680 comfort in them. Yeah, I really enjoy reading these victim impact statements, 61 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:45.639 and you do get such a sense of who Dan Markel was and how everybody 62 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:53.879 really saw the same person. Twenty four Carot says, twenty percent of your 63 00:07:53.920 --> 00:08:01.240 podcast is analogy from your own point of view, forty percent is speculation gossip. 64 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:09.639 The remaining forty percent is dedicated to character assassination. I feel sorry for 65 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:15.120 your neighbors. No, I'm not embarrassed. Defend her all you like, 66 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:20.439 she's nothing but a character assassin if you don't agree with her, and obviously 67 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:28.000 her audience is from the same ilk. The comments below prove it. Okay, 68 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.279 thank you to thank you for breaking that down. I'm wondering how did 69 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.840 you how did you work that out? And what is speculative gossip? I'd 70 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:48.360 like to know. Very funny. You're obviously entitled to your opinion. Sorry, 71 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:52.480 you don't enjoy the show, but you certainly do leave a lot of 72 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.279 comments twenty four Carot for someone who doesn't enjoy the show or enjoy me or 73 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:09.639 my audience. Okay, let's go right in too. But we saw what 74 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:16.039 I opened with the bump, so that's of course, if you don't know, 75 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.799 if you haven't been following this case. That's when they put an undercover, 76 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:33.159 the most polite undercover in the world, basically didn't seem very street like, 77 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:43.519 but okay to hand Donna an article with Dan Markel's picture and notice of 78 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:48.320 his murder, with a phone number and the amount five thousand dollars, and 79 00:09:48.360 --> 00:10:01.559 then they waited to listen on the wire taps excuse me to hear them discuss 80 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:13.200 it. So that is it gonna be very damning for Donna. She has 81 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:18.480 a few things going for her. She has her phone call with the undercover. 82 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:31.759 So let's start with that, shall we good place to start where she 83 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.600 says, like, I don't know anything, but it's very interesting. Listen, 84 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:46.159 open up your ears and listen, because she's she's not saying she doesn't 85 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:52.840 know anything. She doesn't know say sick Freido Garcia. She's saying she doesn't 86 00:10:52.879 -->

00:10:58.360 know the undercovers, Homie in jail, which is true, so or Luis 87 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:03.039 Rivera. She doesn't know of them, but she doesn't know or Katie. 88 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.960 Of course she would know Katie because she was Charlie's girlfriend. But she seems 89 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:16.000 to have no problem by omission. She doesn't say she doesn't know those people, 90 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.000 but she does say she doesn't know the undercovers, made up person that 91 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.480 he has in jail that she has to take care of. Let's take a 92 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:33.279 listen to it. Whoa, this is Sammy, Sammy. Okay, my 93 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:46.000 grandchildren have my phone before, so yes, yes, before, so that's 94 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:52.320 strustful of it. And told okay, lets the message on my on my 95 00:11:52.399 --> 00:12:01.000 voicemail. Right, No, this is my problem. Approached me on the 96 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.879 Holton Road. You handed me an article from the newspaper about my ex son 97 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:11.080 in law. You told me I need to call you and help your friends 98 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.679 who live in prison. Now. At the time you did that, I 99 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:22.000 didn't understand what you were. She doesn't say my murdered son in law my 100 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.000 ex son in law as if Dan Markel is still alive. But okay, 101 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:33.000 talking about I didn't call you back. Then you mail me a threatening letter. 102 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:39.360 Then you send me a text message to my phone and said I'm not 103 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:46.480 taking you seriously. So I am taking you serious, Curtains, and I 104 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:52.120 really want you to listen to me. I have to tell you, I 105 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.159 mean, this is important. I have been so stressed out. I had 106 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.840 opened to ten or twelve people who are friends of mine telling them about this 107 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.840 and basically, why would she be stressed out? So what's the defense here? 108 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:15.399 So is the defense when she says to Charlie it's about the two of 109 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:20.799 us after this that it's about the two of us because she knows she's going 110 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.639 to take Charlie's extortion defense and say, well, it's about the two of 111 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:30.720 us, because I know I was the only person you told, and Harvey 112 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.480 and I are the same person, we use the same email, so it's 113 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.799 just like it's just the two of us. How is she and why is 114 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:43.440 she stressed out of about this? She had nothing to do with it? 115 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:48.559 Why would you be stressed out about it? Go to the police and end 116 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:56.480 it picking

their brains and asking them what I should do? Because I still't 117 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:01.720 know your friend who is in jail. I don't you mentioned the name. 118 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.000 I don't even know what your name. I never supposed him. I don't 119 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:11.320 know what he wants. I can never meet him. I'm sorry your friends 120 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:16.879 in general, but I don't know what that has to do with me. 121 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.919 You know, you know exactly what it has to do with You know what 122 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:31.799 you need, right, And Charlie's right. This is where someone else would 123 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.080 say a real person trying next door would say get the money or we have 124 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.919 nothing to talk about, goodbye, But like a cop, he starts using 125 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:48.399 the read technique and just blocking any kind of denial. You do know what 126 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.559 is about. Let's get past your denial. Let's talk about it. It's 127 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:56.840 funny. You got, you just got. You gotta listen to me. 128 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:05.440 You need who this certain looks like, what their name is something, because 129 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.759 I know there's a big reward out there, and if you need money for 130 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.639 your friends, that's the way to get And I'm asking you nicely. I 131 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.039 don't know who he is. I am out of the look it is not 132 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:24.679 me. If I can help, I would help. I mean, if 133 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:33.559 I could help, I would help. She's it's it's like he's asking her 134 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:35.919 for information about the murder, and she's saying, I don't know anything about 135 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:41.360 the murder. That's not what he's asking for. He's asking for help for 136 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:46.679 his friend in prison, and she's got the money, so she's not really 137 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:52.039 even answering, like the right question, she would be like, look, 138 00:15:54.320 --> 00:16:00.639 I'm not paying up because I don't you know, you have nothing to extort 139 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.480 me for for, But instead she's saying, I don't know who your friend 140 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:08.759 is. Over and over again. She waits to the end of the call 141 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:14.720 to get to it. And that's what's like, Listen to me, just 142 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.519 like I told you that day. We know what We know that that your 143 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:22.879 family had a problem up north. We know that that Paul was being care 144 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.440 of for about a year and a half two years ago, and we know 145 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:34.519 that Katie. So no denial for problem up north. No denial with Katie. 146 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:38.120 I mean if you were, if you really didn't

know anything about this, 147 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.120 it'd be like, what what problem up north? What are you talking 148 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.240 about? Talk to me in a way that I can understand, because I 149 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.759 don't know anything right even she doesn't even fake it very well. She wants 150 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:56.919 to talk about her and her feelings at being stressed out. And we know 151 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:03.559 from Charlie she had diarrhea. Uh taken care of. It has been taken 152 00:17:03.599 --> 00:17:07.880 care of now. Now my brother, my brother in jail. We were 153 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:11.759 in Broadway together. He told me the whole thing, and he hasn't been 154 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:21.400 taken care of. You know now all us being asked for its five five 155 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:26.440 K. That's all we're asking for. Its was five K. And he 156 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.799 told me everything, and I know everything. I know who's involved. I 157 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:34.400 know everything, and I'll get the hungry K for myself. You know, 158 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:41.519 I has to send a five K. Everybody knows what's going on. I 159 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.119 don't know. You're saying, everyone knows. I know. I lost my 160 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.279 ex son in law. I did not have anything to do with it. 161 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:56.839 That's why she lost him. She lost him somehow. Not he was murdered. 162 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:02.599 I lost We look at this this minimuim language. I lost him. 163 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.160 Mmm, this is about a murder, Donna. I lost him. I 164 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:14.759 don't know where he is. He could be living under an assumed name somewhere 165 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:18.200 in Cuba. We don't know. I don't know anything. I'm very stressed 166 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:23.000 out. I've had to have a lot of peptopismal. Just leave me alone. 167 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:33.039 This is basically the essence of her essence of her response. That's that's 168 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:40.079 not my brother, everything, when we were in jail, everything and who 169 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:44.839 was involved. I know everything. I don't. That's the problem. I 170 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:52.680 am telling you. It's not me. It's not me, I it's not 171 00:18:53.000 --> 00:19:00.240 me. Listen to that language. Not. I did not conspire to kill 172 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.559 Dan Markel. I did not conspire to kill my ex son in law. 173 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.119 I don't know what you're talking about. It's not me. It's it's very 174 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:18.000 much like I didn't do nothing, Donna style. That's that's the I didn't 175 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:26.160 do nothing, which you always hear guilty people say when they're caught red handed, 176 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.079 and then you're in a half of agpibation over there, my daughter, 177 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.599 my grandchildren. It is not me. And when I asked my friends what 178 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:40.759 do they think? They sip. This person needs to get the description of 179 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:45.880 you, because what you would look like it's not me. I don't know 180 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:51.960 who it was. Oh, we can give you description, Donna. They 181 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.599 can give you. They know what you look like. They gave you the 182 00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:00.440 piece of paper. Or is she saying the guy in in prison needs to 183 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.839 get a description of you? Is that it? She needs more details to 184 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:08.599 know. That's what she's really saying here. She's saying, look, I 185 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:15.000 need more details. You can't just extort me for five thousand dollars without a 186 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.759 lot of details. What do you know? What do you know about a 187 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.880 problem up north? Give me a description? What do I look like? 188 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:30.279 Me? Daughta Adelson? Missus Adelson. Please, that's funny. I mean, 189 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:36.720 just just just like that day when I talk to you. This is 190 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:41.920 not going away. It's not going to go away and told me everything he 191 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:47.759 wasn't being taken care of. He needed the five K s five K the 192 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:52.119 whole, that's all we were asking for. Dude, don't do that. 193 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:57.440 I don't know who is. We know who is. But you know who 194 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:07.160 Kad is and you know how that Katie has. Okay, you know who 195 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:12.759 Kde is, and you know that Kadi has somebody that knows Touscle and they 196 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:17.880 and they took care of a problem for your people. That's just about of 197 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:32.960 line about Katie is you know that they took care of Katie and her people. 198 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.880 Nobody's taking care of Tousble. I know you don't know who Tostle is, 199 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.720 so we know, we know who all of you are. And this 200 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:47.440 they're going away, you know what, So I can give you that if 201 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:49.759 you want to. He said, your five K. Here's what you need 202 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.039 to do. You need to go and thosebody don't tell me what to do. 203 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.200 I know what to do and I'm doing it. You're looking for money, 204 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.119 get a hundred thousand dollars or whatever the what you call, whatever the 205 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:07.559 reward is, it isn't me. You have got the wrong person. That's 206 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:11.920 why I said, ask your friends. You're Donna, you're Dona adults, 207 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:17.960 Yes, I am, Yes, I am. Well, I know

we 208 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:27.759 know who's involved in all this. Yes, this is nothing. I mean, 209 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:30.720 if you want some money you should get from the podcase. They can 210 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:34.880 give you a whole lot more than then. You're asking me some money for 211 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:40.079 someone. I just I can't. I can't do this. I have had 212 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:44.559 too much stress and too much aggravation from this. And I don't know what 213 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:49.759 you are talking about. I just don't know. I just don't know. 214 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.440 Really, I think you should talk to Katie, talk to talk to people 215 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.799 that are involved in this. You'll know. Do you know? Do you 216 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:04.920 know what's going on? Are you sure? Did you see me on Wheel 217 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:10.480 of Fortune? Is that what you're thinking about? Are you confusing me? 218 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:17.440 Because are you a fan of my episode? You know that? But I 219 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:21.519 know you know because I know because I heard I when I was locked up 220 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:26.319 and browned with my with my brother. He told me everything, everything, 221 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:36.440 he owe me, everything I wanted to take taking care of with her fucking 222 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:41.839 glu. I just think I should think instead of asking me, you should 223 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.480 get the money from the police. There's a lot of money out there, 224 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:51.559 and I know if you think you know who this is the going ahead, 225 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:55.759 and do it because I know it isn't me. I know if it isn't 226 00:23:55.839 --> 00:24:00.319 me, and I can't taste this type of level just I know I didn't 227 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:07.640 do anything like the extortionist is going to care about her level of stress? 228 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:12.640 What a narcissist? Did you hear I was under a lot of stress? 229 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:17.960 Did you hear that I said I was under a lot of stress? Oh 230 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:23.079 oh, you're under a lot of stress. Oh okay, okay, we'll 231 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:32.599 go extort someone else who's less stressed out. Talk to people, you talk 232 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:33.799 to the right people. You talk to people. You make this lilob, 233 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:40.960 take um to me. That's all I need to do it and get it 234 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:52.920 to me. Do it and get it to me. There's a very damning 235 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:56.400 part. Why is she going to call him back? Why is she going 236 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:03.599 to call him back? It's not her And that's the way they always talk. 237 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:10.960 It's always double talk, double meanings. I think that's very bad. 238 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.680 I think the biggest piece of evidence, which I've been saying, is her 239 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:21.759 fleeing in those calls to Charlie where she thinks the call is dropped, where 240 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:27.119 she's talking about ending it all or fleeing, and then she does try to 241 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:32.640 flee to a non extradition country, so she doesn't have the defense that she 242 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.000 doesn't know that Vietnam is non extradition, that she picked it out because she 243 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:45.400 loves, say Vietnamese food, spring rolls, Vietnamese spring rolls, you could 244 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:56.519 say, or that it's a cheap place to live to retire. She is 245 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.920 on tape saying, I'm looking for a non extradition and I was hoping my 246 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:07.279 daughter Wendy could talk to me about it as a lawyer. As a lawyer 247 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:15.119 who doesn't talk, why does she need someone who doesn't talk? And then 248 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:22.319 she's saying rash Baum was advising her as to what they were thinking in Tallahassee, 249 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:30.359 meaning she knew that the grand jury was set to indict her. So 250 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:45.319 very different opinion from Friend to the Show. Matt Schneider says, I think 251 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.599 her fling is the least of her problems, especially in this case where she 252 00:26:49.720 --> 00:27:00.799 will just say Charlie Edelson was wrongfully convicted on the same evidence they will use 253 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:07.960 against her, and that there is so much scrutiny here on and she wanted 254 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:14.680 to get away from it. Remember Duras's first trial, which she got I 255 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:19.559 think very I think he may have gotten convicted on something ridiculous, something small, 256 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.599 and the murder and acquitted on the murder charges. Also, I think 257 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:30.119 that fleeing can usually be explained away. It's more compelling when they flee the 258 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:37.759 scene of it's more compelling when they flee the scene of a murder, I 259 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.920 think. I think in some cases they don't even allow fleeing when it's so 260 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:47.440 remote from the crime. But I think, combined, how can you not 261 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:53.279 let that piece of evidence in when she's caught on tape. I don't know. 262 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.200 We'll see if they let it in or not. That'll be interesting. 263 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:10.920 So but listen to rash Bound's opening statement, whis pretty interesting. Surprised how 264 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.279 good this was in retrospect compared to the closing, which is all over the 265 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:26.480 place, boring, way too long. This is actually kind of compelling when 266 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:37.960 not doesn't sound like

his his His defense is as ridiculous as it is until 267 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.680 you really think about it, of course, but with working for nothing with 268 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:48.160 nothing, it's not bad. Really not pretty decent opening statement. I thought 269 00:28:48.240 --> 00:29:00.319 in retrospect, let's take a listen, good morning, but let's just talk 270 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.960 about before I get into this like Rashbaum has embedded himself with this family, 271 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.839 and boy did I read him wrong. What a soulless school he turned out 272 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:19.880 to be first with bringing in Dubin Josh Duben pretty much, I think the 273 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:27.079 bottom of the barrel as far as human beings. My opinion to berate the 274 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:36.240 jury pool and really confuse them around the whole idea of presumption and presumption of 275 00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:45.960 innocence, I thought, pretty dirty tactics. And then his wife apparently this 276 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:52.000 is I heard last night on Carl Steinbeck's channel, that is that his wife 277 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:59.880 is lunching with Donna. And I'm sure Donna's calling It was calling him all 278 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.920 the time during Charlie's trial. But he has totally embedded himself with his family. 279 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.680 I mean, I understand everyone deserves a defense and a vigorous defense, 280 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:21.799 but you kind of crossed the line when your spouse is having lunch with an 281 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:30.000 unindicted co conspirator in a murder case. I mean, dude, I don't 282 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:34.400 know. I don't want to be ten feet within ten feet of a murderer, 283 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:41.039 but okay, one hundred feet. But he's happy to hang out with 284 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:48.440 these people. I understand. It's his business, but this is not his 285 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:56.480 area. He chose to take this case, and he chose a defense that 286 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.400 really insulted the jury's intelligence. But it doesn't sound I don't like it. 287 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.519 Here it sounds like almost a good idea. Let's get into it. I 288 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.680 need you to talk to you that much the last couple of days. My 289 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:15.039 name is Dan Rashbon, and with me is Kate Myers, and we represent 290 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:23.720 Charlie Eatison. M hm. Now let me start by saying the obvious. 291 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:37.119 The murder, Professor markel or a tragedy. The world lost a brilliant legal 292 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.759 Okay, when you are memorializing the victim, try not to look at your 293 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.200 notes, Dan Rashbaum, I don't want to make this a roast, but 294 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.519 I may turn into a roast of this, but try not to look at 295 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:53.119 your notes. Can you say that the world lost a brilliant legal mind, 296 00:31:53.640 --> 00:32:00.839 a son, a brother of colleague, a friend with that looking at your 297 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:19.160 notes mind. His family lost a son and a brother. This community lost 298 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:34.960 its sense of security and lost a good citizen and his two boys. The 299 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:45.400 nephews of Charlie Edelson lost a loving father. His senseless murder continues to be 300 00:32:45.559 --> 00:33:01.519 felt throughout this community and others. It was inexcusable, despicable evil. But 301 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:13.359 what I'm going to tell you today is what actually happened. I'm gonna tell 302 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:20.039 you what actually didn't happen, what actually I made up with the murder defendant 303 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:24.759 sitting at the defense table. I'm gonna tell you what we imagined, how 304 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:30.319 we tailored the evidence to a story. And that's the story we're gonna tell 305 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:36.799 you. Thank you MW for the supersticker. And oh, before I forget, 306 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:42.119 I really want to thank Elizabeth R. For sending me a lot of 307 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:49.759 information or about the atolsin the Ponzi scheme that they were involved in, and 308 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:58.839 I'll gonna do gonna cover that more thoroughly. Actually I'm not covering it at 309 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.079 all right now, but I'm gonna talk about an upcoming episode very interesting. 310 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.960 So thank you Elizabeth, and thank you MW so much for the supersticker. 311 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:24.559 I really appreciate it. Back to what really happened, shall we? You 312 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:35.440 will see that Charlie Edleson had nothing to do with the murder the Professor Markham. 313 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:42.119 You will see that the state cannot come close to meeting its burden. 314 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:55.000 Why is Charlie Edleson is innocent. Now, I don't have to prove innocence. 315 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.760 What I'm telling you I very rarely say in a courtroom as a defense 316 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:10.960 lawyer, because I'm very rarely in a courtroom as a defense lawyer. But 317 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:16.360 I'm gonna say he's innocent anyway, because just saying that state didn't have enough 318 00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:22.239 proof isn't really very compelling to a jury. So I'm gonna tell you innocence. 319 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.719 I don't say that often, but I'm gonna tell you he's innocent, 320 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:36.079 and I want you to take my word for it. Charlie Edelson is innocent, 321 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:44.800 and we'll get here. But the next thing I'm going to tell you 322 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:52.039 I also rarely say in the court room, and you may be surprised to 323 00:35:52.119 -->

00:36:00.920 hear this from a defense lawyer. I have great respect for the process and 324 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:09.760 law enforcement on this case. I have admiration for their efforts after the murder 325 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:17.880 of Professor Markel in trying to find out who did it. You will see 326 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.719 I have admiration and I totally agree with them about the poor people in this 327 00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:30.320 case. But when it comes to my rich clients, lay off, lay 328 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.760 totally off my rich clients, they had nothing to do with it. That's 329 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.800 where my admiration ends. Oh, thank you, MW. Thank you Roberta. 330 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:46.679 I do enjoy your videos and your Donna Donna voice makes me laugh. 331 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:51.199 Oh I'm so glad I can make you laugh MW. And thank you so 332 00:36:51.400 --> 00:37:01.079 much for the super chat. Appreciate it. It's really not I mean, 333 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:06.840 it's not a bad opening. I can see how people thought, hmm, 334 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.360 maybe he'll get a hung jury. In the beginning of this trial. I 335 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.840 was watching it, but I don't know. I don't know what I was 336 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:23.280 thinking at the time. That they spent countless man hours, cell phone tower 337 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:36.119 dumps, surveillance videos from a boatload of places, buses, cameras on the 338 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:50.679 street, great law enforcement activity, and it paid off. They got the 339 00:37:50.760 --> 00:38:06.800 three killers. They convicted him Sigfredo Garcia convicted for life, Louis Rivera, 340 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:19.199 Catherine mcbanua convicted for life. The problem is, as you just heard, 341 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:30.119 the state saw no connection between these people and Professor Marquette. So from the 342 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:38.400 very outset, the state suspected beedlesins the family. You saw the chart, 343 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:47.559 it wasn't limited to Charlie Edelson unindicted co conspirators in this case. The state 344 00:38:47.639 --> 00:39:00.559 has said it. Wen Diegelson, Donna Edelson, Harvey Edelson, the State 345 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:08.920 new as you heard that wend and Professor Markel had gone through a brutal divorce. 346 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:17.000 You're going to see it. But they couldn't find the connection. But 347 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:25.400 then they had their Aha moment as they couldn't find the connection because Donna, 348 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:32.039 Harvey and Wendy all called after Dan Markel's memorial service, had their lawyer call 349 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.639 and say, sorry, our clients aren't talking. We're in Miami and we're 350 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:45.199 not participating in this great law enforcement investigation that you have such respect and admiration 351 00:39:45.440 -->

00:39:51.719 for Rashie, your client didn't want anything to do with it. Strangely, 352 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.400 strangely, Oh, please Donna take the stand. Please take the stand. 353 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.440 Please. I'm begging. I'm begging you, because if she doesn't take this 354 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:08.760 stand, then what you just don't put on a defense, which a lot 355 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:16.920 of times they don't. They just say state hasn't proved their case. They 356 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:22.760 make that motion to what is it? That motion to like hasn't proved their 357 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:29.320 case? Like end it. The judge goes no. Then they go to 358 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.639 a jury and get convicted. But here, I mean, I really think 359 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:39.119 Donna's going to have some major ailment, mark my words. She's going to 360 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:44.519 be playing up her age, her back. We've heard about her back hurting 361 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:52.440 in prison on the prison filings, that she's hurt her back as she's writing 362 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.320 on her defense, helping her defense on her bunk in bed, so they 363 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:05.440 put in a chair in her sell. Maybe this back thing is she gonna 364 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.199 have a full walker by the time we see her going to be her back. 365 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:13.400 Her hair is going to be grown out. And thank you to ever 366 00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:22.159 left comments about defense witnesses wearing glasses because you can't have contacts in prison. 367 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:29.519 But I would think that if your lawyer can bring you an outfit to wear 368 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:35.159 to court, why not your contacts? Is that just too hard to run 369 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:42.119 down? That's my question, because you're not allowed those kind of clothes, 370 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.760 a suit, whatever they wear on the witness stand, a sweater or whatever 371 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.840 it is, so they can't bring your contacts in or are they just too 372 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:57.199 hard to run down? That's my question. I'm continuing to ask questions about 373 00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.519 why all these female defense witnesses is where their glasses on the stand. As 374 00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:07.639 you heard, they determined that at the time of the murder in twenty fourteen, 375 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:22.519 Charlie Edelson was dating Catherine mcbannial, and they learned that Catherine mcmanawah and 376 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:30.920 had a previous relationship on again, off again with Si Credo Garcia. They 377 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:37.039 learned that Secredo Garcia and Catherine mcvaniwec shared two children together. They had their 378 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:49.880 connection. The problem is that's where the state began to guess, began to 379 00:42:49.960 --> 00:43:02.119 make assumptions. And they waited many many years before making those assumptions, right, 380 00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:07.639 I mean, what are we talking about here. Before Charlie Adelson was 381 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:14.079 arrested, it was years and years and years and years. So they made 382 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:19.039 those assumptions. They jumped to conclusions tunnel vision investigation. It just took them 383 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:23.880 a long time to get that tunnel vision investigation going. Great idea, rash 384 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:32.880 Man, and you will see we will show it that those assumptions. Did 385 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:43.599 it make sense? Yeah? I love Jigsaw Puzzles. I've loved him since 386 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:52.599 I'm young. Doesn't that remind you of Anchorman Steve Carell's character, I love 387 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:54.320 Lamp. That's what it makes me. Every time I hear that, I 388 00:43:54.400 --> 00:44:01.119 hear I love Jigsaw Puzzle. I love Lamp. Do you love lamp? 389 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:07.159 Rashie? The reason why I love them is because they only work if every 390 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:16.000 piece fits. No matter what you do with the jigsaw puzzle, if a 391 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:23.719 piece doesn't fit, it becomes a mess. You can't hammer it, and 392 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:29.800 you can't ignore it because if you ignore it, you have holes in the 393 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:39.119 puzzle. What you're gonna see is with regards to this case, that's exactly 394 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:49.719 what the state tried to do. They heard things, they saw things that 395 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:54.800 there were problems. They couldn't fit all the pieces together under their theories, 396 00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:00.880 their theories that they told you about. Today, I'm going to show you 397 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:07.199 how those puzzles, those pieces they didn't fit, they don't fit. And 398 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:17.559 why, respectfully, the state does not know what happened on July eighteen, 399 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:24.880 twenty fourteen. Well, they can't know totally because A it's not on videotape 400 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:30.440 and B they're not the murderer. So you want to exploit that. Fine, 401 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:35.119 But Rashie, so I thought you had great respect. So you had 402 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:38.920 great respect up till when it was your wit, your client. And why 403 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:43.960 pick puzzle pieces? I know I've said this before. I'm not going to 404 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:50.280 obsess on it, but it is a favorite of defense attorneys, A favorite 405 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:55.440 analogy and here Rashie, it doesn't fit because the puzzle pieces do fit, 406 00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.400 and you don't want to draw the jury's attention to the fact that this is 407 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:07.559 a circumstantial case. And it works because all the puzzle pieces do fit. 408 00:46:08.920 -->

00:46:14.440 The TV that you're about to talk about was a dorm room TV, not 409 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:21.440 a five thousand dollars TV. So when she says TV in five that's gonna 410 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:31.400 be another thing, very damning for Donna, very close, I mean very 411 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:38.320 close as to who they could have arrested first, Donna or Charlie. Thank, 412 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:43.280 I mean now, especially because I think, like I've said before, 413 00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:52.039 she made more of more great evidence against herself by talking on a recorded line. 414 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:58.159 She didn't know it was recorded, phone dropped, she thought, but 415 00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:06.840 it was recording. There she is talking about fleeing to non extradition countries because 416 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:12.079 of the indictment. And yeah, she can say she try it, try 417 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.559 saying that was because of a Charlie's wrongful conviction. See how that plays. 418 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:23.400 It's not going to play well. On that day, two crimes occurred. 419 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:35.760 The first one the state knows about, and that was the brutal penus murder 420 00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:45.000 a Professor Mark Hill. The other one they don't know about. Was Wendy's 421 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:52.400 crime against fashion? She came into the police station looking a mess? Is 422 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:58.440 that it rashe? You're about to find out? Like you? Because that 423 00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:05.679 day would forever chase each Charlie Edelson's life. But before we get there, 424 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:13.519 I like cliffhangers. It's important to give you some batt how about puzzles, 425 00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:19.639 puzzles of cliffhangers? How about that? Is that? Would that be the 426 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:37.760 ultimate for you? Rashi Crown and Timeline Das. Charlie Edelson is forty six 427 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:44.960 years old, single with his young son. He grew up in South Florida 428 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:52.559 in Coral Springs in Broward County. His father was a dentist, a local 429 00:48:52.679 --> 00:49:00.159 dentist. It wasn't the Edson Institute when Charlie was growing up. It was 430 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:08.639 a small dental practice with his dad. Charlie is the middle child of three. 431 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:15.599 He is very close with his parents. As they said, he is 432 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:22.360 very close with his mom. Growing up, the family was middle class. 433 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:29.960 So now this is really interesting. So now here's where he distances himself from 434 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:37.960 Wendy. And it's interesting. When you hear the jailhouse calls, it's Charlie 435 00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:43.360 saying why did Wendy mess it up for us by taking that turn on too, 436 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.599 Trescott, Why is it Wendy who messed it up for us buying that 437 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:52.880 bullet Bourbons? The juror is going to say, that's not a coincidence, 438 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.679 So he must have hated it. When they brought in Wendy for her testimony 439 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:07.079 that was given under immunity. Wendy might just walk away with this. I 440 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:13.199 mean, maybe her punishment is to be so hated and to be a social 441 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:22.800 pariah. And Charlie was not particularly close with either of his siblings. He 442 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:30.760 grew closer with Wendy as they got older. He went to college at the 443 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:37.760 University of Central Florida, went to dental school in South Florida, and then 444 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:49.440 periodontic school. When he graduated as a periodontist, he had an idea rather 445 00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:55.079 than work in his own practice, he figured that he could travel around till 446 00:50:55.159 --> 00:51:01.800 dental practice is all over South Florida. He would be a traveling periodontist. 447 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.559 So what you are going to learn in this case is that Charlie Edelson had 448 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:17.320 practices from the very south of South Florida to as far places as Jupiter. 449 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:23.239 He's in the car sometimes for hours in a day, and he worked a 450 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:29.239 lot. You're going to see that, Yeah, you can see that. 451 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.360 Mainly you're going to hear that from my client, that he worked a lot. 452 00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:39.480 He was too busy to conspire to do a murder. A murder that's 453 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:45.320 for people with time. Charlie had no time to conspire to commit a murder, 454 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:51.400 so ridiculous. He was a workaholic. He spent a lot of time 455 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.800 in that car. And what did he do when he was in the car 456 00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:02.000 to pass the time? He spoke a lot of the phone. He would 457 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:08.280 talk to whoever would listen to him. And you're gonna see in this case, 458 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:15.119 this is one thing we won't deny. Charlie Edelson likes to talk, 459 00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:21.960 and he likes to repeat himself. And who would he speak with the most. 460 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.599 He'd speak with his girlfriend. And let me remind you, jurors, 461 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:30.679 it's not illegal to like to talk a lot. So when he talks, 462 00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:36.360 just close your ears and let it roll over you like the waves of the 463 00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:42.800 ocean. Don't listen too closely when we when the state plays those wired apps. 464 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:50.039 He'd speak with his mom, he'd speak with his friends. Now, 465 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:59.480 Wendy Edelson, who's a state witness, followed a different path. She went 466

00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:04.559 to a Pristie you Just University in Boston. She then went to school in 467 00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:15.559 England on a Truman fellowship and later went to law school. She got scholarships 468 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:22.280 for law school and college. Soon after starting law school, she met Dan 469 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:30.159 Markel and they fell in love. They got married. They ultimately moved to 470 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:37.960 Tallahassee, where they both worked for FSU Professor Markel as a law professor of 471 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:45.760 the law school. So more distancing. So you down home Tallahassee working jury. 472 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:51.159 Don't hold it against my client that he's rich. He worked hard for 473 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:58.800 it. He not like his sister who went to these elite schools on scholarship. 474 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.400 Nonetheless, but you'll probably find her really off putting. Don't hold that 475 00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:10.000 against my client. More distancing from Wendy. Really interesting. Charlie Aedelson didn't 476 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:16.199 have much to do with either Professor Markel or Wendy during their marriage or before 477 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:23.519 their marriage. He would talk to his sister periodically, maybe once every two 478 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:31.519 or three weeks. They lived in Tallahassee for years. Charlie Aedelson visited him 479 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:42.760 in Tallahassee two maybe three times. Charlie loved his sister. He saw advice 480 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:49.480 from her as she did with him every once in a while. But they 481 00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:58.639 weren't super close. They were brother sister. They weren't super close. They 482 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:06.320 were brother sister, but they weren't super close. They were brother sister. 483 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.679 Is so that's supposed to explain it? Aren't brother and sisters supposed to be 484 00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:15.679 aren't brothers and sisters supposed to be close? Excuse me? What is he 485 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.679 saying there? He's like, I'm just distancing my client. She was far 486 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:27.119 far away in Tallahassee. My client was in Miami. They didn't see each 487 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:32.440 other a lot. Sure, when she needed advice about planning a muda, 488 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:38.639 she's gonna call call Jollie, of course, because Jollie's so right all the 489 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:45.880 time about planning a muda. She's gonna go to a mom me, Donna 490 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:52.760 and my wonderful son, Jollie. What is it? What is he talking 491 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:59.519 about? Truth? But it keeps your attention, it's it's well, it's 492 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:06.719 well, haze and Okay, he has a few little uh, little uh, 493 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:14.400 the little stuttered steps here or there. But that Charlie Edelson was a 494 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:22.880 little self centered. He was building his career. See that traveling periodontists. 495 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:29.559 In the beginning, it wasn't that successful. But by the time of this 496 00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:37.119 case, in the twenty thirteen twenty fourteen time period, you're going to see 497 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:45.159 that Charlie Edelson was making a lot of money. His practice was booming. 498 00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:52.519 He was working six sometimes seven days a week. You'll see it on the 499 00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:59.199 wires, You'll see it in text messages. He would start his day early 500 00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:02.480 in the morning, and most days he wouldn't get home till eight, nine, 501 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:10.039 ten at night. At the time when this murder occurred, he was 502 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:19.320 not married, he had no kids. He had a lot of money, 503 00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:27.000 and he was living a very good life, a lot of money, most 504 00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:35.039 of which has gone into my pocket for this defense. It's just interesting the 505 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:43.320 way he emphasizes those words a lot of money, just to say that he 506 00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.679 earned it all. It was from being a workaholic. No time to excuse 507 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:53.960 me, no time to plot a murder. Let's see where he goes from 508 00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:58.119 here. It's not illegal. If you're turned off by him talking all the 509 00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:06.159 time, it's not a to talk to be a big talker. Now. 510 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:14.840 In twenty twelve, Wendy Aedelson, on a trip down to South Florida, 511 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:23.280 confides in her brother that she was having problems in her marriage. She told 512 00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:35.119 Charlie that she and Professor Markel had been going through marriage counsel. She asked 513 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:38.800 him what he thought. He said, Look, I want you to be 514 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:44.039 happy, but you have to do what's best for you. I'm here to 515 00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:53.400 listen. Charlie had no involvement whatsoever in Wendy's decision to divorce Professor Markel. 516 00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:05.519 You'll hear that. And in September of twenty twelve, Wendy filed for divorce. 517 00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:13.039 And you're gonna hear about how she filed for the divorce, and you're 518 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:20.880 gonna learn that Charlie had no involvement in her leaving the house, had nothing 519 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:29.960 to do with him. But we got to talk about TVs, and you're 520 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:44.320 gonna hear a lot about TVs in this case. Excuse me. See, 521 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:58.079 Charlie has a really bad history of telling bad jokes, So when Wendy left 522 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:02.159 the house, he has a history of telling bad jokes. Are you going 523 01:00:02.199

--> 01:00:06.079 to tell all of his bad jokes in court? You're gonna hear all of 524 01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:10.679 his bad jokes, ladies and gentlemen. In fact, we're having a comedian 525 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:15.119 come in as a defense witness and he's going to perform all of Charlie Aedelson's 526 01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:20.400 bad jokes for you. Why even admit that? What I just say? 527 01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:24.119 He told a bad joke, I mean, and it just happened to be 528 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:29.920 the day and Wendy told that, repeated that joke over and over and over 529 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:38.199 again, and strangely they're her talking about a TV and five after the bump. 530 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:47.000 But never mind that. Ah. His mom told him that she ne 531 01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:52.400 a TV. He asked, She said, what can I do to help 532 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.039 Wendy. She's moved to a new place, She's left most of the stuff 533 01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:00.480 behind. What can I do to help? And his mom said she didn't 534 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:07.880 have a TV? Did he just say his mom told him that he didn't 535 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:12.239 have a TV? I think so. He said, Okay, when you 536 01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:17.559 go to Tallahassee, go to best Buy, buy a TV for Wendy and 537 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:28.559 I'll pay you for it. And so Wendy got the TV and she called 538 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:37.519 Charlie this is back in twenty twelve, the murders in twenty fourteen, and 539 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:42.519 she thanked him for the TV. And he didn't say he looked into hiring 540 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:47.480 a hit man. He joked a bad joke, and he said it was 541 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:55.039 cheaper than hiring a hitman. Now, not only was it a bad joke, 542 01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.199 but you're gonna hear in this trial, Charlie, he repeated the joke. 543 01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:09.400 He repeated it a lot to a lot of people. You're gonna hear 544 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:22.079 that he repeated it as late as March of twenty fourteen. And it's kind 545 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:28.280 of interesting because it's Donna going to say she never told that joke. It 546 01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:30.599 was everybody else, right, So he doesn't have to defend this for Donna 547 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:35.559 the TV, but he does have to say the TV is not a code. 548 01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:42.480 So the man that they think hired a hitman is joking to others about 549 01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:52.000 hiring a hit man. Puzzle pieces, And you're gonna learn why his repeating 550 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.599 of that joke is going to be so important. I'm gonna tell you in 551 01:02:55.639 --> 01:03:00.920 a little bit, keep in the back of your mind. But let's first 552 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:08.719 go back to the divorce. The divorce was bitter, it was emotional. 553 01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:16.159 Wendy Edelson and Professor Markel. They'd have good times, but when things were 554 01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:24.559 bad, they would fight about everything. And in January of twenty thirteen, 555 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:31.119 Wendy Edelson filed a motion to relocate to South Florida with her two boys. 556 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:40.440 That motion was opposed by Professor Markel. Now, what you're going to learn 557 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:46.719 in this trial is that Wendy Edelson never thought that motion would be granted. 558 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:58.280 Her lawyer told her that motion would never be granted. But let's talk about 559 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:04.360 expectations and and what you really want. So how many people have bought a 560 01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:09.920 lottery ticket in my audience? And you always think you're gonna win, right, 561 01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:13.119 aren't you always fantasizing about what you're going to do with the money. 562 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:16.159 You know you're not gonna win. You know the odds are against you. 563 01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:25.159 Don't you think it's possible that Wendy hoped, even thought that maybe she'd have 564 01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.199 a piece of good luck and it would go her way, even though she 565 01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:31.760 knew it was very rare, especially with her mother Donna hyping her up, 566 01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:39.760 saying it with special circumstances, and the judge would be swayed if she knew 567 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:44.639 all the support of family for her boys, because they're the atal sns, 568 01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:50.679 right, they think of themselves as a royal family, the elite, And 569 01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:59.559 we can offer these grandchildren opportunities and give them things because of our wealth, 570 01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:03.480 because of our connections that they can't get in Tallahassee. She might have thought 571 01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:09.000 that that was might be convincing. She might have thought that she had more 572 01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:15.079 of a shot than the odds. Because of that so not a great argument, 573 01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:23.360 she said, let's give it a shot. Charlie had very little to 574 01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:29.079 do with the motion. He knew she was filing it. He knew she 575 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:39.039 didn't have much chance of getting it, and the motion was denied. When 576 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:48.159 it was denied, it didn't change Charlie Edelson's life one bit. But unlike 577 01:05:48.239 --> 01:06:00.239 Charlie, his mom and dad were upset. They were upset because their daughter 578 01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:08.800 and a job opportunity in South Florida. She had no family support in Tallahassee, 579 01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:15.719 and they wanted her home. And you will see that Donna and Harvey 580 01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:21.320 Edelson are very involved in their children's lives. We won't run away from that. 581 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:31.039 You will see

that Donna Edelson and Harvey came up with a lot of 582 01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:38.920 crazy ideas. I mean crazy ideas. You're going to see them. You've 583 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:45.079 heard about some of them. When they show you those crazy ideas, take 584 01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:51.320 a look if any of them includes murder, doesn't take a look at any 585 01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:58.840 of those crazy ideas well. Of course, I didn't write down. I 586 01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:04.119 didn't type out go conspire to do a murder together, Rashie, What are 587 01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:08.760 you thinking that I would type that out? Do you think I'm so stupid, 588 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:15.280 so stupid that I would conspire to do a murder on an email or 589 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:18.119 a text message? Are you do you think I'm that dumb? Rashi? 590 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:23.199 That's what I hear Donna saying, and I love how he says. We 591 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:27.760 won't run away from the fact that they're a close family, as if that's 592 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.480 something bad and very involved in their children's lives. We're not going to run 593 01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:35.320 away with it, way away from it. Excuse me. Sure, I've 594 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:43.679 been harassed endlessly by Donna via text message, during and phone call during Charlie's 595 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:48.480 trial and now after. But never mind that jury. Never mind that, 596 01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:51.599 I'm not going to run away from that. She's a huge pain in the 597 01:07:51.679 --> 01:08:06.320 ass. Did o'harvey include anything illegal? It does take a look at if 598 01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:14.519 they're actually then go to lawyers to make sure that their ideas are legal. 599 01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:23.159 Murderers, you heard it, unindicted co conspirators going to lawyers to make sure 600 01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:30.439 that what they're offering is allowed. You're going to see that. But the 601 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:34.560 ideas were crazy. You're going to read the emails a lot of emotion. 602 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:41.880 So that was the whole point of Wendy's divorce lawyer is to say, oh, 603 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:46.600 I've done this before. I've bribed other people to move when my client 604 01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:58.119 wants to move, and it's not that unusual. All Right, I'm going 605 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:02.159 to take a break. I need a palette cleanse from Rashie gets in. 606 01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:05.159 It's I find it very interesting. I don't know, are you guys all 607 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:08.800 bored? We can move on to something else if you're really bored by it, 608 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:13.760 but I find it kind of interesting. He's gonna go into some other 609 01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:18.560 things that they never show, that they never even even come through with. 610 01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:29.560 So we'll be back with that, maybe a little bit more Rashy and uh 611 01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:39.439 great new video by Murder from Maestro Murdered by Maestro about Harvey's involvement and the 612 01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:46.760 whole story about that's really the basis of this extortion defense when we return. 613 01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:54.800 If you are enjoying this episode of My True Crime Report, please hit the 614 01:09:54.880 --> 01:10:00.880 thumbs up, subscribe to the channel, and share this episode. Get access 615 01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:08.279 to exclusive podcasts and other bonus content by becoming a patron today. If you 616 01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:13.119 have a question or comment for me, shoot me a super chat and I'll 617 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:16.920 do my best to answer it and read it on air. Thanks so much. 618 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:27.520 Now back to the show. All right, I may cut this a 619 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:31.880 little short with rash Baum, but I do want to do maybe about five 620 01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:41.039 more minutes of it. And just because when you have nothing, I mean, 621 01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:44.039 he doesn't have much of a defense. I did think this was a 622 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:53.359 much better crafted opening than close the clothes for me was torturous. A mother 623 01:10:53.479 --> 01:11:00.680 in law, a grandmother with a lot of emotion, and you're going to 624 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:05.000 see that, Wendy Edelson. She rejected him. She rejected the ideas. 625 01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:13.840 They were never presented to Dan Markel. She couldn't find outfits in her children's 626 01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:19.279 size as Hitler youth outfits, so it never happened. And then you're going 627 01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:25.560 to see that there was another idea. They have mentioned it in their opening, 628 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:32.600 but they don't understand the importance of it. See, at one point 629 01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:39.840 in time, Donna Edelson Harvey Edelson came with an idea to pay Professor Markel 630 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:47.920 one million dollars to allow their daughter to relocate. And they went to Charlie, 631 01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:51.960 who, frankly, by this point in time, had more money than 632 01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:59.000 them, and they said, will you lend your sister a third of a 633 01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:05.079 million dollars she'll pay you back or we'll pay you back. And he said 634 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:14.319 sure, and you're going to see that. They presented this idea to Wendy 635 01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:19.079 Aedelson, and the idea wasn't to take the boys out of Professor Markel's life. 636 01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:25.760 The idea was that with a million dollars, if Professor Markel agreed, 637 01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:35.000 he could live in South Florida and commute back and forth to Tallahassee. He 638 01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:38.359 could work out his schedule. He didn't teach every day of the week, 639 01:12:40.079 -->

01:12:43.439 he could work out his schedule so that he could still teach at the university 640 01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:48.880 and go back and forth. You're going to see that. Wendy Agelson never 641 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:58.399 made that offer, but it's very important. Like the joke, I want 642 01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:05.199 you to put it in your back of your mind for now. Out let's 643 01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:23.079 fast forward to October twenty thirteen. October twenty thirteen, Charlie started dating Catherine 644 01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:33.720 mcbanua. We'll call her Katie. She was beautiful, she was smart like 645 01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:41.239 Charlie. She graduated from UCF. She was hardworking. He met her in 646 01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:47.960 one of the dental practices at first. The beautiful, smart, and hardworking. 647 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:53.880 None of those adjectives come to my mind when I think of Katie. 648 01:13:53.920 --> 01:14:02.239 I think of tough, feisty, connected to the Latin King gang knows, 649 01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:11.680 someone who could rough someone up. But beautiful and smart, No, those 650 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:16.079 those adjectives don't come to mind. The relationship was casual. They wanted it 651 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:24.880 that way. Charlie particularly liked it and liked Katie because she had two children. 652 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:33.960 He worked a lot. His priority was his job, and Katie didn't 653 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:40.800 bother him a lot. He only saw her like once, maybe twice a 654 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:47.800 week. That's what he liked. She was smart. Isn't it interesting that 655 01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:55.479 he's distancing distancing himself from everyone but his parents because he can but every every 656 01:14:55.600 --> 01:15:00.000 other co conspirator, in my opinion, in this her store, in this 657 01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:06.039 murder case, the murder of Dan, Marcel, Wendy, Katie. He's 658 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:12.199 not too close with either of them, Donna, they can't run away from 659 01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:19.279 because he's on the wire taps with her. She was fun and he treated 660 01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:26.560 her very well, and that was very different you'll learn from how she was 661 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:32.800 treated previously. Now you'll hear that you spent a lot of time with Katie 662 01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:39.439 over the months that they dated. And remember how I told you Charlie talks 663 01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:45.199 a lot and repeats himself a lot. Well, when they were together, 664 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:50.079 he did just that. He talked about his day, He talked about what 665 01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:55.920 was going on in the world. He talked about his family, which, 666 01:15:56.000 --> 01:16:02.039 by the way, was a constant topic every single day, because when Charlie's 667 01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:08.560 driving in the car every morning for an hour to work and an hour home, 668 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:13.840 sometimes longer, he talked to his mom on the phone, and when 669 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:17.359 he talked to his mom on the phone, what would be a topic of 670 01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:27.880 heavy conversation quite frequently Wendy's divorce, all the problems in the divorce. They 671 01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:34.680 told you that, They told you that in opening. And what would Charlie 672 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:43.199 do he would tell these things to his girlfriend? And what were some of 673 01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:45.720 the things he told her, Well, he told her about the million dollar 674 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:54.239 offer. He told her that he could pay it in cash. She said, 675 01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:56.680 there's a lot of money. He said, no, I have it 676 01:16:56.760 --> 01:17:01.640 in cash, and I'm going to get it back. He told her several 677 01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:14.439 times. The joke. Over time, you're going to see through text messages 678 01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:21.880 that Katie wanted a deeper relationship, and you'll see that Charlie didn't want that. 679 01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:31.600 You'll also learn, and the timeline is important. They meet in September, 680 01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:41.720 they start dating in October of thirteen. You're going to see that over 681 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:46.119 time. It takes a couple of months. Charlie starts to learn a little 682 01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:55.199 bit more about Katie's ax sik Credo Garcia, and what you're going to learn 683 01:17:56.560 --> 01:18:04.399 is that Charlie Aedelson never eat Sighfredo Garcia officially, but by all counts, 684 01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:14.640 he was not a good guy, violent, long criminal history. Sigfredo Garcia 685 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:21.399 and Katie had been high school boyfriend girlfriend and Katie was the love of sikh 686 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:30.720 Fredo's life. He lived for her, and you're gonna see at Sigfredo Garcia 687 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:42.640 hated Charlie Edolson puzzle pieces, so let me let me repeat it. You 688 01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:53.119 saw your chart. The shooter of Professor Markel, the man who murdered him, 689 01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:04.079 hated Charlie Edelson, of course, to them his co conspirator, but 690 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:09.720 he didn't want to murder him. He wanted to drive seven hours out of 691 01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:15.039 the way and murder Dan Markel on his own idea and then extort Charlie Aedelson. 692 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:25.520 It's so dumb he's going to talk about this extortion plot. And you're 693 01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:30.760 gonna hear not from our witnesses, from their own witnesses that he wanted to 694 01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:42.279 kill Charlie Edelson. You're gonna hear that in March of twenty fourteen, just 695 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:46.439 seven or eight weeks before that first attempt of murder that they talk about, 696 01:19:50.239 -->

01:19:59.800 he tried to kill him. Okay, pay attention here, puzzle pieces. 697 01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:12.119 You're also going to hear about a phone call on July one, twenty fourteen. 698 01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:20.239 You're going to actually hear that that July one, twenty fourteen call is 699 01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:27.479 how they found these guys. It's actually the craziest fact in this entire case, 700 01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:34.000 and there's a lot of crazy facts. You're gonna hear that on July 701 01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:43.359 one, twenty fourteen, sigfreedro Garcia made a call to the cell phone number 702 01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:55.119 of Harvey Adelson. It's the only call that helped investigators connect these folks to 703 01:20:55.199 --> 01:21:03.640 the adolphins in the beginning. It actually broke the case. What they don't 704 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:11.319 know what you're gonna see. It's in text messages, it's discussed on the 705 01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.439 wires. They don't know it because they don't understand it, because they weren't 706 01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:23.960 there is that on July first, twenty fourteen, just three weeks or so 707 01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:33.640 after the first murder attack, and by the way, just seventeen days before 708 01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:40.439 the murder, let me repeat that. The murder happens on July eighteen, 709 01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:47.119 twenty fourteen. On July first, twenty fourteen, Sigfredo Garcia tries to run 710 01:21:47.319 --> 01:22:00.920 Charlie off the road. He threatens him. And what you're gonna here is 711 01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:06.920 that on July one, he's so upset that he calls the Aedelson Institute. 712 01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:15.680 He doesn't realize it. Charlie isn't the doctor at the Adelson Institute. He 713 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:19.560 just comes in and out of the place. So he gets their voicemail machine. 714 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:24.119 And you know how dentists are. They say, in an emergency, 715 01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:28.479 call a cell phone number, take your call at home on the cell phone 716 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:31.520 number. Well, he hears an emergency called doctor Edelson at such and such 717 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:38.640 number. He thinks he's calling Charlie Aedelson. Okay, let's talk about that. 718 01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:48.800 And murdered by Maestro did a great video just about this subject, about 719 01:22:49.600 --> 01:23:00.319 skepticism over this whole wrong call and Sigfredo and calling the Adelson Institute not realizing 720 01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:08.800 that it was the wrong doctor Adolson, and then he's calling Harvey thinking it's 721 01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:14.640 it's really Charlie. Come on, little bit of skeptics. I have some 722 01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:20.359 skepticism around that and the whole water Skis confrontation. I find it very odd 723 01:23:21.159 --> 01:23:30.560 that that's the first time, that first and only time that Sigfredo Garcia is 724 01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:39.560 ever harassing Charlie Adelson as much as he doesn't like him. Take a take 725 01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:44.199 a watch. This is murdered by Maestro the Harvey link that brought down the 726 01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:51.760 ADOLSNS. So did anybody in Dan Markel's life have contact with it, with 727 01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:58.319 any of the phone numbers from that tower down? We did find this seven 728 01:23:58.359 --> 01:24:03.079 eighty six number that was present in the tower dume was also present in Harvey 729 01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:10.800 Adelson's call detail records. And were you able to identify who that seven eighty 730 01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:15.199 sixth number that had that left of voicemail to Harvey Adelson on July first? 731 01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:18.960 Who that number belonged to? Yes, that number was associated with mister Garcia. 732 01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:40.880 Can you walk us through where Dan Markel went the morning that he was 733 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:45.000 murdered based on his call detail records? Yes, again we know that mister 734 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:49.680 Marquel was at his residence in the morning that he did take the children to 735 01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:57.640 Creative Preschool and then ultimately went to Premiere Health and Fitness to work out prior 736 01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:03.199 to returning home. Did TPD believe that whoever shot Dan Markel was at some 737 01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:06.760 of those same locations that morning, or at least one of the same locations. 738 01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:12.399 We certainly believe that it was possible or likely that he was being surveilled 739 01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:16.680 or followed as he traveled around. Yes, okay, And at this y'all 740 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:21.760 had seen the surveillance images of the prius at Premiere Jam that's great, Okay. 741 01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:27.439 How were y'all able to identify or to try to identify who was in 742 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:30.800 that preus using the cell phone records? Well, one of the techniques that 743 01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:35.359 we have is what is commonly known as a tower dome, and what we're 744 01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:41.680 able to do when we have multiple locations and we have approximate times, we're 745 01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:45.079 able to serve a legal demand to the carriers and ask for any events that 746 01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:50.920 were processed through the cell sites that would service those three locations. And then 747 01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:57.479 what we're looking for there is assuming that they actually had events made or receive 748 01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:02.119 phone calls, text messages, or data session then the only numbers that we 749 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:09.840 would see that were common to those three different locations and those time frames would 750 01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:14.399 be handsets that were traveling with mister Markel. We

would look at a radius 751 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:19.119 around that location and determine what cell sites might service that location. We see 752 01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:24.039 we have two cell sites here with T Mobile that my belief would be with 753 01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:28.640 service the Premiere Health and Fitness. So those are the cell sites that we 754 01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:33.239 asked the carrier to provide to us. So you contacted all the phone companies 755 01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:38.880 who had cell sites in those locations where Dan Markel was, Truscott Drive, 756 01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:44.760 the preschool, the Premiere Gym. You looked at all the records for all 757 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:48.640 the numbers locating and located in those cell sites in those timeframes. Yes, 758 01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:53.960 what did you do once you received the tower DUNT records from those phone companies? 759 01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:59.079 As I mentioned, we do have analytical software and one of the things 760 01:26:59.119 --> 01:27:02.399 that it does is is looks for those common callers. So we can put 761 01:27:02.439 --> 01:27:06.560 these records in and ask it for any phone number that was consistent with all 762 01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:10.960 of those locations, and that's what we did in this case. Unfortunately, 763 01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:14.319 we did not find a number that was in all of those flags. Okay, 764 01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:18.520 so no number was had been to Trust scout Drive Premiere, the preschool 765 01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:23.319 and going back to trustcout Drive after correct not in the time frame that we 766 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:28.479 asked. Since we couldn't find a number with common events for all four of 767 01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:32.800 those locations, what did you do next? Well, what we got back 768 01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:40.319 was again a list of all the phone numbers that had events or were present 769 01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:44.560 in those cell sites during those times. So in essence, that's just a 770 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:49.560 list of unique phone numbers. In addition, we had a significant number of 771 01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:56.560 call detail records from all the subjects involved in the investigation to be the Adleson's 772 01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:00.039 the victim, a number of people that we already had had records for, 773 01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:08.359 So again those are also a list of phone numbers calling one another. So 774 01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:14.720 we were actually compared all the numbers that were here in Tallahassee that were near 775 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:19.239 those towers around those times to see if they had any connection to any of 776 01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:25.319 the other persons that we already had records for. Are you getting just what 777 01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:33.119 an incredible amount of work was done to find a common phone number with all 778 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:41.359 these cell phone tower locations and then trace it back. This incredible amount of 779 01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:46.600 work did anyone's phone number that was here have communication with someone that was involved 780 01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:51.840 in our investigation. So did anybody in Dan Markel's life have contact with any 781 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:58.560 of the phone numbers from that tower don We did find this seven eight six 782 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:04.039 number that was present in the tower dump was also present in Harvey Aedelson's called 783 01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:11.600 detail records. Who is this and what is that next to him? So 784 01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:17.199 this is Harvey Aedelson and those are again an image of the actual calling detail 785 01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:23.359 records that we obtained from at And now when did that contact with the number 786 01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:29.920 that was in the tower dump have contact with Harvey Aedelson's cell phone? So 787 01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:33.119 that was on July first of twenty fourteen. We can see that that was 788 01:29:33.159 --> 01:29:39.760 at five twenty pm. This is another situation I mentioned earlier, so just 789 01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:44.840 a little off topic, but I hear Harvey's been calling Donna, and I've 790 01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:50.640 also heard that Wendy is living with Harvey, and I assume her kids are 791 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:56.159 living with him. I mean, isn't that like a really dark sitcom or 792 01:29:56.239 --> 01:30:02.600 a play or something. Your wife fifty something years maybe even sixty at this 793 01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:09.119 point, gets arrested and you have to live with your daughter. He's an 794 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:15.199 undicted co conspirator, yourself you've tried to flee to. I mean, is 795 01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:17.840 this a drama? I mean, could you write this stuff? I don't 796 01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:24.159 know, it's pretty amazing. And just wonder what the conversations are around that 797 01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:30.920 dinner table, probably all about how horrible Georgia Kapelman is, how unfair they 798 01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:35.439 are, how this was a wrongful conviction of Charlie, and how they have 799 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:40.279 tunnel vision and they have the wrong person with Donna. If I had to 800 01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:44.840 guess, I'm sure it's I mean, this family's already very cold, like 801 01:30:45.119 --> 01:30:51.399 meaning us versus that mentality, and I'm sure that they can't really take in 802 01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:56.960 reality that they've all convinced themselves that they haven't done this. I mean, 803 01:30:57.319 --> 01:31:00.920 they know that they did it, but I'm saying outwardly that's how they talk. 804 01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:08.520 Oh they're so terrible, they could be out you know, I don't 805 01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:12.479 know, they've already gotten the real killers. I guess that's what they

say 806 01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:17.640 to themselves. They and they really should be prosecuting for Charlie's extortion. I 807 01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:25.279 don't know, something like that. They're a where it appears that we have 808 01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:29.560 three different events here, but it is just one. It's one incoming phone 809 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:33.960 call that was routed to course. Okay, so about I guess seventeen days 810 01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:40.960 before the murder, a Miami number that was communicating with a cell site here 811 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:44.520 in Tallahassee on the day of the murder that Dan Markel was at in which 812 01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:46.920 cell site was it? That was the cell site around Premier Health and Fitness. 813 01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:55.399 Okay, about seventeen days before that that number had a contact in the 814 01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:59.840 call detail records with Harvey Edelson's cell phone. That's correct. What are you 815 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:06.359 able to tell about this contact between the Miami number and Harvey Edelson's cell phone. 816 01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:13.159 Again with AT and T. Some of the things that we see is 817 01:32:13.640 --> 01:32:18.600 a both a seizure time and a duration. So how long did the phone 818 01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:28.359 and we also know that this phone number was programmed into Katie's cell phone, 819 01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:33.239 Harvey's number as Harvey's so little hard to say, you're confused ring? And 820 01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:38.520 then how long was the phone actually connected? Did the call connect? And 821 01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:42.720 then we may see an indication of routing or where maybe where that phone call 822 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:45.600 was sent. So in these records, what we see is that the phone 823 01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:50.039 did ring for several seconds and was then routed to voicemail. It indicates that 824 01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:56.920 the phone was actually connected for thirty seven seconds once that ringing stopped. So 825 01:32:57.239 --> 01:33:01.359 that's the potential for a thirty seven second okay. So you can tell from 826 01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:08.199 the records that this call there was no it was routed to voicemail, that's 827 01:33:08.319 --> 01:33:15.119 right. And then there is a several second duration after it reaches voicemail where 828 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:19.560 either someone would have been could have been breathing on the voicemail or leaving a 829 01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:24.279 message. Again, I have no idea what was said or not said, 830 01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:29.119 or left or not left, but there was a thirty seven second duration that 831 01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:36.239 this was connected to voicemail. Okay. And were you able to identify who 832 01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:42.800 that seven eight six number that had that left of voicemail to Harvey Adelson on 833 01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:45.479 July first? Who that number belonged to? Yes, that number was associated 834 01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:50.840 with mister Garcia. So he doesn't hang up. He doesn't hear Harvey Adelson 835 01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:56.079 when it's Charlie. If he really hates Charlie that much, he doesn't remember 836 01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:03.119 Charlie's first name. He's just going to leave this seven second long message on 837 01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:11.399 his answering machine. Come on, now, a did a witness in this 838 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:19.159 case explain why Garcia left the voicemail on Harvey Edelson's cell phone and I if 839 01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:24.279 we can approach she's trying to explain another reason why he knew this as a 840 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:29.560 voicemail and he's an expert. That's your say. He can't commenting on another 841 01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:32.319 witnesses testimony. It's going to be hearsay, So that's sustained. Yes, 842 01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:39.159 sir, h Can you tell me what the person's name was that provided an 843 01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:47.359 explanation for that voicemail? That was Jindra Mascaro. I believe good afternoon. 844 01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:50.720 Will you tell us your name and spell it for our court reporter? Please? 845 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:58.119 Sure? It's Yendra y I N d r A alaskaz v e l 846 01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:02.239 A z q u e ze Matt Garrow m A s c A r O. 847 01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:05.720 Thank you? And what city do you live in? Miami Flo? 848 01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:14.279 Did stick Berdo Garcia ever confront Charlie Edelson? I only know of one instance 849 01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:18.920 and it wasn't you know he didn't like talk to him? Really? And 850 01:35:19.039 --> 01:35:21.520 how do you know about this? Let me ask you. Katie told me 851 01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:25.840 about it. Can you tell me what she said? She stated that they 852 01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:30.319 were leaving her apartment when she lived in North Day Village and that he blocked 853 01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:33.159 the car that they were in because they were going out. They were going 854 01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:36.760 jud skking about if I'm not mistaken, and that he blocked the car like 855 01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:42.159 for them not to be able to leave. Okay, Garcia blocked Charlie Edelson 856 01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:45.560 and Catherine Bannels for late correct. Okay, and you said that Garcia from 857 01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:50.479 what she told you, Garcia and Charlie never talked, but he was creating 858 01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:58.079 some type of disturbing Garcia was causing scene. Okay, did she what did 859 01:35:58.159 --> 01:36:00.680 she tell you about what happened? Like, how did it end that? 860 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:04.119 Oh? They just ended up driving off after he eventually moved the car and 861 01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:09.560 they just drove off. Okay, So there's never any direct communication, but 862 01:36:09.680 -->

01:36:12.840 it's screaming, yelling, causing a scene, and then they leave. Yes, 863 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:18.279 now after that, I guess like bow, So they're dating for months 864 01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:23.760 and months and months, no phone calls, no contact. Right before the 865 01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:30.199 murder, Sigfredo's call it ling Harvey by mistake and then confronting Charlie on the 866 01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:38.199 street. So usually these things escalate, So it starts with phone calls or 867 01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:42.560 visits, but now he's gonna like box him in on the street. I 868 01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:45.760 just don't believe this ever happened. I do believe she was told about it, 869 01:36:46.640 --> 01:36:50.920 but I believe that this is a cover story for the idea that they 870 01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:57.479 hate each other and that they would have no business with each other of jealousy, 871 01:36:57.720 --> 01:37:01.239 disturbing a scene or causing a scene Garcia. Did Catherine Van want to 872 01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:08.039 tell you about something Garcia did that embarrassed her? Yes, okay, tell 873 01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:12.640 me about that. She told me that he retrieved or what he thought was 874 01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:16.319 Charlie's phone number from her cell phone, and it ended up being that it 875 01:37:16.439 --> 01:37:20.119 wasn't Charlie's phone number, it was actually his father's phone number, and that 876 01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:26.640 he left a very nasty voicemail on the phone. So now, in this 877 01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:30.560 telling, he didn't get it by calling the Atolsen Institute. He got it 878 01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:39.520 off of Katie's phone. You guys getting all the little contradictions here. He 879 01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:43.560 leaves a very nasty voicemail for Charlie's dad. Yes, but he thought it 880 01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:45.600 was Charlie that he was leaving the voicemail for, but it ended up being 881 01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:50.239 Harvey. Okay. And how did she feel that her ex has called her 882 01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:55.239 boyfriend's dad and left a nasty voicemail. She was really embarrassed. Yeah, 883 01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:05.479 that voicemail was the only contact you that you were able to find in any 884 01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:11.760 of these records from that number, Sigfredo Garcia to anyone in the Aedelson family, 885 01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:16.239 right, that's correct? Okay? Were you able to obtain historical call 886 01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:21.319 detail records for Sigfredo Garcia's phone some? Yes, okay, can you tell 887 01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:27.319 me about that? Certainly? So, this account or this phone number was 888 01:38:27.399 --> 01:38:30.600 being serviced by Metro PCs, which at the time was being taken over by 889 01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:34.960 T Mobile or purchased by T Mobile. We did send a number of legal 890 01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:40.840 demands and we were able

to get basically two sets of records, one primarily 891 01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:45.520 from each carrier that provided us some called detail records and locations and those kinds 892 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:51.159 of things for periods around with Donaldson. And did you run a frequency report 893 01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:56.479 on Sigfredo Garcia's seven eighty six phone records? We did, yes, okay? 894 01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:59.960 And what did you see and what we saw at the top number? 895 01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:08.239 Or was this seven eight six five six or one three one two? And 896 01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:12.680 who did that number belong to? That number was associated with Miss Katherine mcmanawa. 897 01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:15.199 You've never taken him to rent a car? No, I've never taken 898 01:39:15.239 --> 01:39:19.960 an Now when you were at this time, did Stick free to own a 899 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:25.279 car or was he just switching cars all the time? He was switching cars. 900 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:29.199 I don't know if he had his own car at that time, so 901 01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:31.520 it could be that he would. You just don't know whose cars he was 902 01:39:31.560 --> 01:39:35.600 writing. Yeah, he would just get his friend's cars or I don't know. 903 01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:41.840 So I want to talk to you about this day because this day actually 904 01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:45.079 stands out in your memory. Okay, is the July first, yes Man 905 01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:51.319 confrontation. Okay, now explain to the jury in your own words what happened 906 01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:56.840 that day. So let's start with do you get a call from Charlie? 907 01:39:56.880 --> 01:40:01.119 Like is he inviting you to go out? I don't remember, like who 908 01:40:01.239 --> 01:40:04.479 called who first? Okay, but I know he wanted to go. So 909 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:09.800 now this is where Katie will change the story totally. And it's not that 910 01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:14.239 they were going out is that they were coming back from jet skiing. And 911 01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:18.600 remember Charlie testified that they were going jet skiing, and that's when this happened. 912 01:40:19.359 --> 01:40:23.960 Go out on the jet ski and were those his jet skins? So 913 01:40:24.479 --> 01:40:27.359 jet ski? Yeah? Well just one one? Yeah? Okay, had 914 01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:30.439 you guys e havever gone jet skiing before? I believe so, all right, 915 01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:35.760 and what happened had sick Fredo? What happened with sik Freedo that day? 916 01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:38.640 Did you come and pick up your kids? Yes? He did. 917 01:40:39.319 --> 01:40:43.159 Was it his turn to watch kids? Yes? And he picks them up. 918 01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:46.000 How old are Ethan and Kelly about this? Around this time? Kayley 919 01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:55.079 would be two and so Ethan would be bye. No, probably seven seven? 920 01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:58.199 Okay, So he takes the kids. Do you remember the car he 921 01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:02.760 was riding at that time? I believe he had like a blue Bavo okay? 922 01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:06.159 And is this the car that he was in when the confrontation happened? 923 01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:10.399 Yes, ma'am, all right, So you do you see him take the 924 01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:13.319 kids and leave? Yes? Where do you think he went? Or you 925 01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:15.680 just didn't ask? Well? I mean I found out later that he was 926 01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:19.840 at that like a pizza place, like down the block from like where we 927 01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:24.119 stayed, where I stayed. But when he left, you had no idea 928 01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:28.520 where he was where he was coming. So you come downstairs Charles come to 929 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:30.760 pick you up? Yes, ma'am. What's he driving? Other Lexus? 930 01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:34.159 And what's tapped on to the back of the Lexos? The jet ski? 931 01:41:35.199 --> 01:41:39.119 Is? Is this outside your north day village apartment. Yes, ma'am. 932 01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:43.479 Is this in the parking lot? Is it like when you want to go 933 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:45.159 pick me up? Yeah? Yeah, he picked me up in the parking 934 01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:47.880 lot. So he picks you up in the parking lot. Are you guys 935 01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:50.760 able to exit the parking lot? Yes, ma'am. All right, When 936 01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:56.239 is it that you see or you know what you tell the jury what happens 937 01:41:56.279 --> 01:42:00.640 next? As we are pulling out of like the parking lot, we were 938 01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:04.119 going to go down the way, like one of the roads, and Sigfredo 939 01:42:04.239 --> 01:42:08.479 cut us off and just jumped out of the car and started screaming in the 940 01:42:08.520 --> 01:42:13.840 middle of the street. So so your oh, that's my misunderstanding. Then 941 01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:16.479 I thought I heard her say it was when they were coming back from jet 942 01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:25.000 skiing. My apologies, guys, roadway he blocks in, Do you immediately 943 01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:29.520 recognize that that's Secreto's car? It was fast, but he jumped out of 944 01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:30.880 the car and like stood in the middle of the street, so I knew 945 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:34.520 it was him. Now describe for the jury because he's not a small guy, 946 01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:38.479 right, no, man, okay, he's a lot taller than anyone. 947 01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:40.640 Yes, okay, And at that time, was he, you know, 948 01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:45.720 working out or yeah he was he what stood up in front of the 949 01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:48.920 car and what did he do? He just started screaming in the middle of 950 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:51.960 the street. But I didn't know what he was saying. Could you hear 951 01:42:53.039 --> 01:42:55.760 what he was

saying? No, man, we're the windows up? Yes, 952 01:42:55.880 --> 01:42:59.920 all right? And do you know if you was screaming in English Spanish? 953 01:43:00.399 --> 01:43:02.119 I don't know what he was saying. Now when you see him, 954 01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:09.560 what was your reaction? I was shocked. What was Charini's reaction? Oh, 955 01:43:09.640 --> 01:43:12.399 he was petrified. Now when you say he was petrified, what do 956 01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:15.600 you mean? He was just he looks at me and then he's like just 957 01:43:15.720 --> 01:43:19.119 trying to find a way to get out of this, like the one because 958 01:43:19.119 --> 01:43:23.439 the street is very narrow. So he was trying to figure out how to 959 01:43:24.399 --> 01:43:27.399 basically do like a turn with the jet ski so we can go the other 960 01:43:27.479 --> 01:43:30.960 way. Okay, so basically turn around because now sick Credo is blocked off 961 01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:33.000 the other way. Yes, ma'am, all right. Did Charles ever gets 962 01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:35.760 out the car? No, man, did Charles ever say anything to you 963 01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:41.720 in the car say something to me? Yeah about Secredo? No, he 964 01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:44.920 was just trying to Yeah, he was trying to get his focus was to 965 01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:48.680 get out of the way. Now did he get out the way? Yes, 966 01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:55.079 ma'am. What happens when you guys drive off sick, Fredo like kind 967 01:43:55.119 --> 01:43:57.560 of pulls that he jumps back in the car and he pulls up next to 968 01:43:57.720 --> 01:44:01.039 us, and he's just screaming, and I'm just looking at him like like, 969 01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:04.880 why are you You know he was even crazy? Did you see? 970 01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:12.039 So there's some of her jerky lying and you can watch the rest of the 971 01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:18.760 video on Murder Bymester, But just a really interesting little a little thing that 972 01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:24.680 I believe they made up that really became one of the pieces of Charlie's defense. 973 01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:28.359 It'll be interesting to see if it comes up with Donna. If Donna 974 01:44:28.439 --> 01:44:40.239 takes this extortion extortion defense that basically Katie told her friend they had so much 975 01:44:40.399 --> 01:44:44.039 money or Charlie had so much money and this was all an extortion on an 976 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:48.760 extortion, I don't know. I don't think it didn't fly well in Charlie's 977 01:44:51.319 --> 01:44:56.039 trial, But then again, you know, we always think that these things 978 01:44:56.119 --> 01:45:00.880 have to be consistent. Donna may come with the same lawyer and tell a 979 01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:06.000 totally different story to the jury. Who knows, I mean, it doesn't 980 01:45:06.079 --> 01:45:10.760 have to be consistent among you. It just has to work for the trial 981 01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:16.680 that

it's in. But I can't even imagine Donna getting acquitted from this, 982 01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:23.039 But crazy things happen. Sometimes it's a fool's game predicting a jury. I 983 01:45:23.159 --> 01:45:30.560 think she's toast. There's so much evidence against her. She's unappealing as a 984 01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:34.840 witness, even if she tries to turn on the charm. I think the 985 01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:41.399 only thing she has is really her age. And sometimes that'll work with one 986 01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:44.760 juror. They'll say, I don't want to send someone that age to jail. 987 01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:48.479 We heard that with Bill Cosby. Don't send him to prison. He's 988 01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:54.399 too old. It's like you age out of being responsible for your crimes. 989 01:45:54.479 --> 01:46:00.079 But apparently with some people, if she can get a sympathy by one juror, 990 01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:02.960 she could hang the Jewey. Now then again she has to come back 991 01:46:05.239 --> 01:46:09.800 and be tried again, and that's a whole lot of money, more money 992 01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:15.359 for her defense that she's got to pay so and a whole lot more time 993 01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:20.359 she's got to spend in Tallahassee and that jail, and that jail. By 994 01:46:20.399 --> 01:46:29.560 all the records, it sounds like they're accommodating her every whim and there's a 995 01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:34.560 power play check out the Society Pages new video on it. With a spoon 996 01:46:36.079 --> 01:46:41.760 her spork r It's between a spoon and a fork that they give you in 997 01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:46.119 prison and in jail. That's what I would think it is. And she 998 01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:50.319 doesn't need it, she's not hungry, she's giving it back she needs it. 999 01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:55.800 That was part of all her rights being violated is that she had to 1000 01:46:55.920 --> 01:46:59.880 eat with her hands in jail for the two minutes that she had been in 1001 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:05.880 jail at that point when she called that emergency hearing. Over all her rights, 1002 01:47:06.239 --> 01:47:14.000 all my rights being violated. So it's who knows. I just cannot 1003 01:47:14.119 --> 01:47:23.439 see a jury taking to Donna. I think she's gonna do as well as 1004 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:27.520 Wendy did, which is terribly and I think it's going to be very much 1005 01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:32.399 a very similar trial to Charlie. A lot of the same witnesses, including 1006 01:47:32.479 --> 01:47:40.800 Wendy, and the surprise witness would be Robert, but who would want to 1007 01:47:40.840 --> 01:47:47.359 make him testify against his own mother. But it might happen because he can 1008 01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:59.800 really testify to the fact that nobody in the family was interested in who killed 1009 01:48:00.199 --> 01:48:03.920 Markel, And I think that that is pretty interesting factoid that I think a 1010 01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:13.279 jury might pay attention to no one's interested Well, what was your what was 1011 01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:18.119 your what was your interest level? Mister Aedelson, it was extremely high. 1012 01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:25.159 I was very curious who killed Dan markel Did anyone in your family share those 1013 01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:33.960 that same interest No? Odd? Odd, very odd. Combine that with 1014 01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:40.359 the rest of the evidence in this case, it's a really hard case. 1015 01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:46.760 Maybe mister Morris, the other lawyer, Alex Morris, will have some other 1016 01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:56.600 ideas, But I think she's really, really, really doomed, and I 1017 01:48:56.720 --> 01:49:02.560 really pray and hope that Wendy's next. You just don't know. I can't 1018 01:49:02.600 --> 01:49:12.880 imagine being Georgia Kapelman being so invested in this case, having tried every single 1019 01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:17.000 defendant in this case, being okay with ending with Donna. But that may 1020 01:49:17.199 --> 01:49:23.039 be the way it goes down. It really depends on what's on Donna's cell 1021 01:49:23.119 --> 01:49:32.039 phone and what's on those computers. So I'm just going to finish up with 1022 01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:41.039 a victim impact letter, Dear Judge Wheeler. This is from June twenty third, 1023 01:49:41.199 --> 01:49:46.960 two thousand and two. I knew of Dan Markelle long before I ever 1024 01:49:47.119 --> 01:49:54.680 met him. As a law student, I loved reading legal blogs and proft 1025 01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:59.960 blog, which Dan founded was one of my favorites. It was pure chance 1026 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:04.319 ants that led me to meet the man behind the blog. I applied to 1027 01:50:04.520 --> 01:50:13.239 many law schools, and I had no special reason to think that I would 1028 01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:17.640 end up at FSU. But when I was invited down for an interview, 1029 01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:24.119 Danny was part of the crew that took me out for a welcoming dinner. 1030 01:50:25.079 --> 01:50:30.760 We got along well from the start. Both of us were more extroverted than 1031 01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:36.000 the typical academic, and I found him very easy to talk to. The 1032 01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:42.640 next day, when I presented my work to the faculty, Danny was one 1033 01:50:42.720 --> 01:50:46.720 of the was the first out of the gate with a series of sharp questions 1034 01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:55.520 when the Q and A period started. His combination of enthusiastic friendliness with blunt 1035 01:50:55.640 --> 01:51:00.920 intellectual debate was delightful, and he played a significant role in convincing me that 1036 01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:09.840 FSU would be a great place to work. Luckily I got the job. 1037 01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:15.119 I ended up in the office next door to Danny's, and from the start 1038 01:51:15.279 --> 01:51:18.720 he would pop his

head in constantly to chat, especially when he smelled me 1039 01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:25.520 making coffee. Writing law review articles can be a lonely task, but Dan 1040 01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:30.159 made it his mission to counteract that, not just for himself, but for 1041 01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:33.600 anyone else in his orbit. During that first summer, he invited a group 1042 01:51:33.680 --> 01:51:40.880 of us to come sit in an empty classroom excuse me that we used as 1043 01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:46.479 a sort of writer's retreat. He framed this as a procrastination avoidance tool. 1044 01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:54.079 We would start an hour timer, turn off our WiFi, and commit to 1045 01:51:54.199 --> 01:52:00.479 getting words onto electronic paper until the timer ran out. But the sessions were 1046 01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:05.880 valuable for more than just defeating writer's block. During breaks, Dan and I 1047 01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:13.039 would chat about everything from our personal histories to his suggestions for how to flourish 1048 01:52:13.560 --> 01:52:18.279 in academia. Dan and I hung out regularly after that, both during and 1049 01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:24.359 after work. One year into our friendship, he left for one of his 1050 01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:30.239 many trips to present his work at another university. He came back to discover 1051 01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:35.239 that his wife, Wendy, had stripped the house, bear, taken their 1052 01:52:35.319 --> 01:52:43.079 sons to an unknown location, and left divorce papers behind. To hear him 1053 01:52:43.159 --> 01:52:49.079 tell it, her actions came as a total shock. He was powerfully anguished 1054 01:52:49.600 --> 01:52:54.760 to not know where his children were or when he would get to see them 1055 01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:59.720 again. Now, for the first time, I found myself trying to return 1056 01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:04.119 thee favor for all the support Dan had given me in my first year in 1057 01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:15.840 Florida. Sometimes that involved long conversations about what was happening. At other times 1058 01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:25.399 it involved doing my best to distract him by drawing into conversation, drawing him 1059 01:53:25.439 --> 01:53:30.479 into conversation, excuse me about ideas in our fields. Sometimes it just involved 1060 01:53:30.640 --> 01:53:38.039 drinking bourbon and watching movies together. As Dan navigated that ugly divorce, I 1061 01:53:38.239 --> 01:53:44.880 was constantly struck by how much energy he still had for looking after others' needs. 1062 01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:47.920 He still went out of his way to see how I was doing and 1063 01:53:48.039 --> 01:53:56.159 to encourage my fledging career as a scholar. It was also during that time 1064 01:53:56.640 --> 01:54:01.840 that I came to appreciate what a loving and admitted father he was. One 1065 01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:09.880 of the things that tore him up inside was the possibility

of losing time with 1066 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:16.359 his children, and the bitter, bitterest aspect of the divorce proceedings came when 1067 01:54:16.439 --> 01:54:21.319 Wendy tried to get soul custody. We didn't have kids of our own yet, 1068 01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:27.600 but Danny would have us over on his days with the boys, acting 1069 01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:31.199 as if we had always been a part of the family. I was struck 1070 01:54:31.279 --> 01:54:39.359 by the intense love he showed for them, and his automatic assumption that anyone 1071 01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:45.039 who met them would love them just as much. I've made friends with other 1072 01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:50.159 people at work, but Danny was by far the quickest to ask me to 1073 01:54:50.279 --> 01:55:00.520 read stories to his kids. Many of my favorite me memories of Danny come 1074 01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:05.880 from his last year of life. I remember his nervousness about the prospect of 1075 01:55:05.960 --> 01:55:13.000 trying to find someone new after his previous relationship had ended so badly, and 1076 01:55:13.119 --> 01:55:17.079 then the way he slowly seemed to come alive again as he found a new 1077 01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:23.880 girlfriend. I remember his excitement about a new paper he was working on in 1078 01:55:23.960 --> 01:55:31.439 which he was exploring whether the modern reassurgence of discretionary sentencing had undermined fundamental principles 1079 01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:38.560 of equality and justice in the criminal process. I had a heart attack that 1080 01:55:38.720 --> 01:55:44.239 year, and I remember how he showered us with company and food as I 1081 01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:48.239 was recovering, refusing to take no for an answer. I remember the last 1082 01:55:48.279 --> 01:55:57.439 time we talked, laughing over beers on a warm summer evening as we chatted 1083 01:55:57.520 --> 01:56:03.800 about work, kids, relationships, and many other things. I also remember 1084 01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:09.479 the last time I saw him alive. I learned that Danny had been shot 1085 01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:14.359 in the head on a Friday evening, and I rushed with my wife to 1086 01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:17.680 the hospital. A friend told us that he was not expected to recover. 1087 01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:24.560 His head was so thoroughly wrapped in bandages that his face was completely hidden, 1088 01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:29.479 with just a bit of hair poking out from the side. I held his 1089 01:56:29.640 --> 01:56:34.439 hand and I wept for my friend. I could not understand how somebody could 1090 01:56:34.479 --> 01:56:40.880 take him from this world, from his friends, and most of all, 1091 01:56:41.039 --> 01:56:46.279 from his children. Danny devoted his professional life to trying to understand the concept 1092 01:56:46.359 --> 01:56:50.840 of justice. To the very bottom of my heart, I hope that his 1093 01:56:51.000 --> 01:57:01.720 killers received that justice. Emily Spots would. Okay, I will see you 1094 01:57:01.960 --> 01:57:05.920 back here tomorrow. Thank you all for listening and watching this with me. 1095 01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:12.239 See you back here tomorrow at six p m. Eastern. Please hit the 1096 01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:18.239 thumbs up, subscribe to the channel, share this episode, leave a five 1097 01:57:18.319 --> 01:57:25.399 star review if your on Apple Podcasts, and I'll see you tomorrow. Have 1098 01:57:25.520 --> 01:57:26.560 a great night, everybody,