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Golf has its new Nicholas, and it's Nicholas Leland Stooby, the man with unlimited nicknames, 38 years young, born in Richmond, Virginia, is now at the top of the YouTube golf world.
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But do you know where he was 10 years ago?
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I I have to imagine working a desk job.
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He was at a cubicle working for a CPA firm called Keter as an audit associate, combing through spreadsheets, but daydreaming of getting off early and getting the late nine in.
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And if that doesn't fire you the fuck up and encourage you to do something you're passionate about, I just don't know what will.
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That is so incredible that that is just 10 years ago, and now he finds himself in this spot.
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A local municipal golf course says it's been overrun by what some are calling quote hack golfers.
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Has the game grown too much?
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Do we need more scratch golfers?
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I'm telling you, hacks slow the game down.
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You can't grow golf if people are chunking it into the weeds all day.
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Scratch player?
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Hey everybody, it's Des and welcome back to the Hack and Scratch Podcast, episode 28.
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I said this before, this year's invitational felt like a movie, Unfortunately, just as in movies, it turns out this one has a really bad ending.
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What was your visceral reaction to watching today's episode?
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There were moments where I had a lot of hope that things could get turned around.
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Um, but like we talked about on our last episode, we we weren't as confident.
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We kind of knew where the the power lay in the in this final round.
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So yeah, you know, I'm glad that team won.
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I'm glad FP and his team won, but uh it could have been more of a show, maybe if if Salim might have taken it down just a notch.
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Yeah, uh I totally agree.
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I think based on what we saw, what I will say is if Salim just played like he did the the first nine holes of that day, I think it's a very close competition.
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I I I really I truly do.
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Um, and I think we didn't get to see that pressure ramped up on Riggs or even FP or or Bobby Ray.
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I I think if you dial that pressure up, I think they lose a couple strokes even further, and I think it really becomes a match.
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So it's it's unfortunate.
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Um there's a lot of people to blame here.
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know, obviously the one above all is Salim himself.
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You got you just gotta be more aware and you gotta know.
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But I we said this on our last episode.
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How could you realistically think that that was you know gonna continue and and be fine if you're Big John and Wit playing those first nine holes and just encouraging him to go further, drink more?
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Like you know you you know you have to play another 18 that day.
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He might not know that, but you know it.
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And you know, it's diminishing returns.
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I they I can't remember who said it, but someone was like, you know, Salim, you got us here, you got us here, and truly he did.
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He knocked down some great putts on that first nine to get him to the finale, but damn, I mean, it just came all tumbling down.
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Yeah, and I I didn't totally expect it to be the focal point, focal point of this final round, but it was.
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And that's a hard situation when you're the teammates and you want to do everything you can to not mess it up, right?
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Because he is very much a vibes player.
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You don't want him to feel like he's out of place when you got 18 holes left.
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So it's a tough situation to try and manage.
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Yeah, I think what's crazy is there's a world where this putt that we're watching goes in and he gets on a streak, just feeling so good about himself because it is crazy.
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I think he does vibe off that.
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And if he makes that putt right there, which lipped out on one, I don't know.
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There is a world where he just that fuels him and they actually go on a run.
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I I think I think about that all the time after watching today's episode is like that was so close from being an early epic start for Selim.
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Uh totally agree.
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And that you're right, that's all it takes is a little bit of confidence to say, okay, I can do this.
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We got one, we got through one.
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Maybe that that excitement will sober you up a little bit.
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But um, yeah, I I would have liked to see it.
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I think it would have been really entertaining, and people would have been kind of turning heads uh throughout the rest of the round, but unfortunately didn't end that way.
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For red to go up one through one, that would have been huge.
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And it was a lip out.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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Um, all right.
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Well, let's talk about some of the other play uh we saw.
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Uh we can talk about the red team.
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Most of their play was actually off the golf course and in the mental mind of Salem and trying to calm him down.
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I I can't imagine how many times they showed wit and and Big John brainstorming of what they need to do next, either giving him a hug or, you know, just fueling whatever was going on with Salem.
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Uh how do you think their golf play was today, regardless of that?
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I mean, I thought their golf was pretty good.
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I mean, Big John can just launch it down the center of the fairway.
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Um, really impressed with Witt's approach game.
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Very good.
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Um, I'll also say this.
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Aside from the golf, the thing I was most impressed about is that they were never mad.
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Like, I would be kind of pissed, you know?
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Like you're going down this road and you kind of see things falling apart, but they they didn't give up.
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They're like, nope, this is our plan.
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We're gonna keep going with it, we're just gonna stick with it.
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They weren't getting all upset.
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Um, and they stayed calm, and that's why they were able to hit great shots.
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Big John made a couple important putts.
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Um, but more than that, I think Witt played way better than I expected him to.
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Yeah, no, it it's it's so true.
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I think the recovery shots from the places Selim left them in what was tremendous.
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And I think it just comes down to the penalties.
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I I think if they weren't taking penalties, I still think it becomes a much closer match.
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But it's just the fact that they had to do that.
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It wasn't they were being left in bad places, they were also having to take a drop and a penalty.
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Um, I think they deserve all the kudos in the world.
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I think I'm so happy that Big John walked away from this with a whole new lens and life, and he he basically won the tournament without winning it.
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And and Wit, you know, I think uh, you know, I think Wit will have a lot more respect than people gave him before this because I can't even imagine how hard that is to do.
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And he really was the captain.
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He was the one who was telling Big John how to handle this, and I respect it.
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Um, but yeah, I mean, I besides the two times that one each that they cracked, I think I think Wit said, no, Selim, it's not a good putt.
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One time, and then I think um I think Big John might have like folded over and just like left it, left Salem behind and and kept going.
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But other than that, they did not crack at all.
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No, they they really didn't, and like that's impressive.
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And sure, maybe the that was your way of saying, like, this is the only way we we kind of get through this round.
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Um but I thought it paid off.
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Um, so yeah, overall, I will say, I think Salim had three drives with a driver.
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Like, they should have capped it at one.
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They should have capped it at one.
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So I'm gonna talk about this a little bit differently when we get into the the rest of the show of how you would have handled Salim differently, but you're totally right.
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He should have never been able to hit three drivers after that that first one, maybe second one.
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So, yeah, that was crazy.
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Um, what do we think of the winning team?
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How was their golf today?
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Great.
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I mean, Bobby Ray, I also have thoughts about this.
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Like great iron shots.
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And I think the whole thing about, oh, you said you were gonna hit driver is BS.
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Like he does it.
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This isn't a course where you need to do that.
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Like, there are courses where, yeah, let's just smack the ball and put driver as far as we can.
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But if you can take a three-iron or a two-iron, whatever he's doing, and either getting it on the green or uh getting your approach in on a par five at like a hundred yards, why not?
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You know?
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Um FP, great putts, great approaches.
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Um are you gonna make me say it?
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Remember, he played okay too.
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Yes, he played okay too.
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You know, like he played okay in the sense that he his shots like he got away with them and that they were just down the center.
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Where, you know, how they got there or whatever, fine.
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But I think he made a putt in there too.
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So it's like, yeah, they they were it was it was wasn't really a fair fight toward the end.
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No.
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Um, and like I said, it just was missing that pressure aspect, which I think we all love.
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Uh Dave was getting so pissed at the end that that everyone was cheering for each other.
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And it's it's a funny thing because he himself, by like hole nine, admitted this thing was over, like completely over.
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No shot of it being a contest.
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He was telling people this, and then he gets mad that people aren't treating it like a contest on on hole 13.
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It makes no sense to me.
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I you knew it was over, everyone's acting like it's over, everyone's just trying to make each other not freaking cry that red, you know, lost this in a tragic way due to one person.
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Um, so he's just kind of backwards, but um, I appreciate that.
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That's that's his style, that's just what he does.
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And like he he was doing exactly what he wanted to in whatever moment.
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Um, I also loved when like Selim wanted to hug him.
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He's like, no, I don't, I don't like contact.
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Someone is gonna edit this video and give us a Selim hug counter.
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And if I had to ballpark it, it's it's truly in the 40s or 50.
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I'd probably put it in the 50s.
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I'd yeah, I'd even go higher.
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Like it felt like it was a few a hole.
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Um yeah.
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Oh my god.
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I just love they did a great job of showing everybody else's face, kind of like laughing.
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Well, with him, you know, but it yeah, it was a good time.
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Ugh, we just were robbed of something special.
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Um, and it became the Salima's drunk show, and that's not why we watch, but you know, Sela V, it was a phenomenal overall tournament.
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I'm so, you know, I'm so stoked to to to have watched it and then um to know that we're getting one next year, and I I just can't wait again.
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Yeah, same.
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I think also I'm kind of struggling with the fact that I think I watched what 15 or 16 hours of a golf tournament.
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Like that's a lot.
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Yeah, that is a lot.
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Um well, good.
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Let's um I I want to kind of treat this.
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I'm calling it, you know, you and I are both problem solvers, and I'm calling this the problem solving episode.
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And there was quite
a few problems to tackle uh for this tournament, but also in future tournaments to come, invitationals to come.
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First one, let's talk about it.
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We've talked about it enough already, but let's solve some actual problems.
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How would have you handled the dream scenario differently?
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It's a good question.
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Um I thought their initial approach was very good.
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I think them saying, you know what, let's let him kind of take the lead and we'll just hype him up and follow him, you know, to a certain point.
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But I think Salim, you know, is a good enough guy to when somebody said, if Wit had came up to him and said, like, hey, we gotta lock in now, like we're not messing around.
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Um I wonder if he would have uh calmed down a little bit or like maybe, you know, yeah, calmed down a little bit that allowed him to play like he was before.
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So I think they maybe let him a little too loose, but what do you do in the moment?
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I think that that there was the best they could have done with the information they had.
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What do you think?
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Yeah, I think it's a real problem because I think Kyle um kind of outlined it perfectly for everyone, which is if he starts truly sobering up, like if he's on the decline of that, he's gonna feel his most sad.
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And like Salim is not good when he's sad.
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And you could tell everything, every little remark someone gave him, someone laughed.
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Oh my gosh, it his face just drained.
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He he like all of a sudden sobers up and just knows he's making he's being the fool in that scenario is crazy.
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I I feel actually really bad watching that.
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Um, but so yeah, I think keeping the vibes is high.
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The one thing I will say, we watched it just right there in that clip, which is driver.
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If I were them, here's what I would have done.
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I would have taken the driver out of his bag when he's not looking and thrown it in the woods.
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Deep, deep in the woods.
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And I would have said, Salim, I think you left it on the last T.
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And that would have been it.
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It wouldn't have had this embarrassment of, hey, I threw your driver in the woods, or you're not hitting driver, you're not allowed to hit driver.
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I would have just said, Salim, I think you left it on the last T and just gone on with business because the one time he pulled four iron out of the bag or three iron out of the bag, great shot up the middle.
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That's all they needed.
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That's all they needed the whole time.
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He was teeing that thing way too in front of his stance.
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He was hooking it left every single time, like Kiz said, all he needed to do was take an iron.
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He was still, his tempo was great, his grip was everything was great.
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He was just hooking his driver left like nobody's business, and a couple hard putts.
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But that's another thing that they did fix during the round is they started giving him, and I think that's a good lesson for everyone, giving him a fictional cup to go hit rather than saying it's this line, it's it's 75% pace, none of that.
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This is pretend that this spot that I'm pointing to is your cup.
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And and that honestly did work.
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He didn't putt horrible.
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Yeah.
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No, I I think you're right.
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They they did everything they could with the tools that they had, uh, minus your idea of just chucking the driver.
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But I totally agree.
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I think they could have used Kyle, I mean, they did use Kyle a bit.
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I feel like Kyle would probably be the only one I would trust to coach him through anything.
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Kyle at one point was like, let him drink more.
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And I don't drink enough to know that that is like I get it, like hair of the dog.
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When you're that far gone, is that like is that the right method?
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I I I can't, I can't say, but that's I mean, I would have actually trusted Kyle because Kyle, out of anyone, has seen Celine like this more than anyone.
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So I probably would have trusted whatever Kyle said.
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That's a good point.
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And maybe they should have done that.
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But I was glad that they put Kyle on the cart because that added a little bit more entertainment to it.
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For sure.
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Also, just probably safer.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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God, getting a DD for a golf match for$1.3 million, that's that's crazy.
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It's so good.
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I'm telling you, man, sponsored by easy go is the the biggest missed opportunity.
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Yeah.
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That is true.
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That is true.
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A lot of sponsorship parts available, honestly.
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Um if they want to ramp this up to a$10 million purse, they could they could easily go get that.
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And I think I haven't looked at the metrics on it, but I'm assuming this year's viewership is I would say double last year's.
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I I would guess it's double.
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Um, so by that trajectory, we should have an eight million dollar purse next year.
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Uh so we'll see.
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You heard it here first.
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I know.
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Uh that we'll save some of those for more of the prediction stuffs.
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But if we I mean, yeah, uh, we don't have much to add because it was an unsolvable problem, to be honest.
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Yeah.
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Um, we all knew it going into the episode.
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It's not a hugs, man.
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Uh, and and it probably was written in the stars a long time ago.
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But let's let's move on to our next problem we have to solve, which goes back a an episode, which is the Duke situation.
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And it's been all over Twitter and you know, everywhere of, you know, don't invite the Duke back.
00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:34.559
I feel bad for him, but also at the same time, he needs some self-reflection of like, yeah, it's probably not my tournament.
00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:36.400
I I got two shots at it.
00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:43.759
Um regardless of Duke, how do we solve the really, really bad golfers?
00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:56.720
And there's a tier, and I don't want to say who's the tier is is in, but for the really bad golfers, how do you gate it so that they can't make it into the finals?
00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.839
Like the and I'm calling the finals like the last day.
00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:05.680
I think part of the early part is so exciting, and having them in there is great.
00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:10.240
And it there is just so much randomness to who makes it through the first day.
00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:11.119
That's fine.
00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:16.000
Let them get through that, but how do we kind of weed that out going into the finals?
00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:26.400
Yeah, you know, it it's a tough question because I don't want to move toward all right, we just want the best golfers in the tournament.
00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:29.759
Like, that's you know, not not the whole point here.
00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:36.400
Um also because the the less skilled golfers can have their moments still.
00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:40.240
Like I can't I mean Selim.
00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:41.759
Take Selim, for example.
00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:48.000
In the last episode, he was just crushing it and he was playing amazing golf for his level.
00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.440
Um, that maybe he doesn't play like that all the time.
00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:55.440
So maybe we need to have a baseline.
00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:03.039
A baseline of you need to have a handicap of X, which I said this to you a while ago.
00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:05.680
I would love, and I know nobody's gonna do it.
00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:10.799
I would love everybody to actually track their U USGA handicap.
00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:11.920
Like, why not?
00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:12.559
You know?
00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.680
Yeah, sign up for the grint, pay the hundred bucks a year.
00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:16.559
Just just tracking.
00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:19.359
We know exactly where we're at.
00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:20.319
Yeah.
00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:21.359
Yeah.
00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:25.359
It it's crazy how how many came to this tournament without a handicap.
00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:28.400
Even decent players, like I'm not even talking the bottom.
00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:33.039
Um like the fact that Bobby doesn't have a handicap.
00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:37.519
I get that he's doing long drive contests and that's his thing.
00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:42.240
But dude, I know you're playing five to ten rounds a year.
00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:43.119
Don't give me that.
00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:45.359
Uh you know, you just type in your handicap.
00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:54.799
Um, so I remember when I was a kid, after the round, you'd go on into the Pro Shop on the kiosk and type in your number, enter your score.
00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:56.160
Now you could just do it on your phone.
00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:57.279
Just do it on your phone.
00:19:57.680 --> 00:19:59.599
You can take a picture of your scorecard.
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Um done.
00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:03.599
So yeah, it's uh what do you think?
00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:04.960
There's there's no excuse.
00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:06.720
I have a different approach.
00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:08.960
I think they almost had it correct.
00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:27.279
So the one thing I would do if I were trying to weed out some of the bad golfers going into the final day or final um round, you know when they did the knockout round, when they had four sixteen left and they had four teams, I don't think they should have done it by team.
00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:40.480
What I think they should have done is they should have had four tiers of golfer and spent a little more time and done knockout, which is a phenomenal format, done knockout with each of those tiers.
00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.559
So that top tier of player, three move on.
00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:58.000
That next tier, three move on, and then you have eventually that fourth tier, which is you know, the Duke, Salim, Bobby Ray, and um, I mean it was Gagey, I think.
00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:01.759
Um, you make them play knockout and the top three advance.
00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:17.759
So you if you do have like a random outlier
like a Duke or a Salim on the very last 18, something like that happening, at least they'll probably get knocked out and and they won't advance.
00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:26.240
So um it would take probably another episode, another episode just for that, but I think that's a cool format to do.
00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:34.799
And I think it would be a great way to solve the kind of we don't want to have like just a horrible golfer in the finals.
00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:37.200
I think that's a great idea.
00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.200
Um, it still keeps it pretty fair amongst that tier.
00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:44.240
Um yeah, I like that a lot, actually.
00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:45.440
I think that would work well.
00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:46.240
Nice.
00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:46.799
Okay.
00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:49.519
Well, we'll get in Portnoy's ear and let him know.
00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:50.799
Actually, it's not even Portnoy.
00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:54.240
A lot of people can be giving Portnoy a lot of shit about who he invites.
00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:59.759
It's very clear that he is the check writer, he is the sponsor builder, uh, and he's excited to.
00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:04.960
To attend this this invitational, he is not the one running it.
00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:06.720
Um, so yeah.
00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:08.640
I think it's more Bob, too.
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:09.759
It's a lot of Bob.
00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.480
I think it's a lot of Bob influence, and I think it's a lot of foreplay.
00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:16.960
Um, I think that's that's pretty much the directors, and and they're passionate about it.
00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:18.720
They want the best tournament possible.
00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:20.559
Uh, you know, I I love that.
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:21.680
So good committee.
00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:29.039
Um I mean, and I think when the credits rolled, it was like a bar stool and Bob does sports production.
00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.519
Like yeah, you know, shout out to the production.
00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:33.119
It is still next level.
00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:33.920
So good.
00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:45.200
This is a complete aside, but I know Wesley Brian, you know, stirred up a bunch of conference controversy by saying, hey, let's replace the eight worst golfers with you know Scotty Scheffler and and crew.
00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.839
Um I would never do that because this is this is what this is meant to be.
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.480
You know, this is what why we watch it.
00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.880
But it does bring up an interesting conversation of bullshit.
00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:05.039
I mean, there was million 20, 20 plus million views in three days, four days of five days of golf.
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:12.160
Um, I'm pretty sure the PGA on an off week would be very stoked to get that viewership.
00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:31.599
Um, so you're telling me, you're telling me if you took 24 PGA golfers, and maybe they don't have to be the
best of the PGA, and you invited them to big big Creed or Seek Lodge, and and you you did a similar tournament over the course of three days, which they work three or four days, anyways.
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:35.279
Um telling me if they shot this, people wouldn't watch.
00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:41.599
I definitely would watch that with cart cams, cart cams with with professional golfers?
00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:42.880
Hell yeah.
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:50.880
I think I think what it is is people don't want to see the top ten players competing against each other.
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:59.200
They want to see Scotty Scheffler play a scramble with Bob, you know, like that's crazy.
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:00.480
That would be amazing.
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:02.559
That that people would watch.
00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:04.160
People do watch that.
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:06.799
I mean, that's part of that now.
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.640
Given you know, Bob's reach is he does have Scotty Scheffler on his channel.
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:11.680
You know, it is it's true.
00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:13.440
People do love watching that.
00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:14.400
Yeah.
00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:15.519
Good point.
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:21.920
Anyways, um, all right, so that's a good solution for for the Duke situation.
00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:28.000
Last one, which is kind of tied in, is we were at 48 golfers last year.
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.720
We're at 64 golfers this year.
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.440
I don't think we can let this get out of control.
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:35.200
We can't be going up in numbers.
00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:40.720
I think 64 is pushing it, and I think that's that's good, but that's enough.
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:47.039
How do you make room for new people and and how do you keep this tourney growing?
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.559
Um, I want to see some new faces.
00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:59.440
I think every year I would say that half the people should be new every year.
00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:06.160
Like, I have a list of people who I will, and maybe we'll say this later that we don't need to see next year.
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.920
Um, but 64 is too many.
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:11.200
Here, here's why.
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:12.720
And maybe this is just me.
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:20.480
But like this final round when everybody's driving around in the carts and they pan to somebody in a cart, I'm like, who the who is that?
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:26.160
Like, I didn't even recognize people because I hadn't seen them in since last week's episode, you know?
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:27.519
Yeah, that's another thing.
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:28.400
No guests.
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:32.240
What wh why why did why does Brad Dolkey get a guessed?
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:34.640
Is that is that what was happening?
00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:35.599
Oh, okay.
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:39.359
Then yeah, no, that was that was unnecessary.
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.839
We already have 50 carts on the fairway.
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:42.400
100%.
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.319
Um I say go back down to 48, personally.
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:47.759
Uh interesting.
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.519
I I I'd be sad because I know we'd be losing so many people.
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:52.960
That's the only problem.
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.759
I did think of why not a voting system.
00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.319
This is all a popularity contest and driven by viewership and interest.
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:07.200
Why don't you put the 64 up for a fan vote and the bottom 12 don't make it?
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:09.599
I mean, that's that's fair.
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:10.799
I think that's fair.
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.960
And I think you know, we could pick 12 that probably wouldn't make it.
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:17.519
And that I think that's fine.
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:23.119
Um, it's all about popularity and what brings interest, and people who care about people bring interest.
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:25.680
So I think that's totally fair for this.
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:31.359
I think the other thing I thought of, which I don't think would be a possibility, would be to do a play-in.
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:36.319
So in May or sometime, get 24 golfers, one or two-day tournament.
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:42.400
I don't know how you would structure it, whether it'd be scramble teams, whatever, but 24 golfers for 12 spots.
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:43.599
I think it'd be cool.
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:44.240
I'd watch it.
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:46.000
There's no chance I wouldn't watch it.
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.799
Um, and it gives them another piece of content.
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.359
Yeah, and I guess it does platform maybe some of the new folks.
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:58.880
Uh yeah, because that's another thing is we don't have enough time to learn about the new people and care about the new people.
00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:04.000
So it's a great way to get quickly introduced to 12 new golfers in the tournament.
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:08.559
Well, and even even the 12 that don't make it could be new people that we don't know.
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:15.039
And like, what a what a launch pad still, just to be in one bar stool or bobda sports video.
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:19.359
You know, like that's that's a that could be a big deal for somebody still.
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:20.240
100%.
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:23.440
All right.
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:27.920
Well, we've come to the part of the show where let's make some predictions on next year.
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:29.920
Where do you want to start?
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:32.319
Who do I want to start?
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:33.599
Or where do you want to start?
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:34.240
Where?
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:35.920
Let's go location.
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:36.640
Okay.
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:52.160
I I don't know where, but
I have a feeling they're going to pick a uh more popular, famous golf course.
00:27:53.200 --> 00:28:01.200
I just I just have a feeling that this is done so well that somebody's gonna be like, hey, you guys come here.
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:12.640
You know, I don't know who it is, I don't know where, but I just have a feeling that a different course is going to want to say, hey, we want to we want our our bite out of this.
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.000
Um come come on over.
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:25.839
So yeah, it's not saying like a pebble beach necessarily, but like could do you think Bandon would support this?
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:29.039
Yeah, I don't see why not.
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:30.240
Yeah, it's a tough one.
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:30.880
I don't know.
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.160
It's um it's a tough one.
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.759
I I don't know what the traffic is like at at Big Cedar Creek.
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.279
Like I maybe this is like the perfect thing for them.
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:47.519
They've always complained how hot it is, so I'm assuming like you know, it's in the heart of July.
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.880
If you go to a hot location, they'll probably get free rain.
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.200
Um, but yeah, I don't know.
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:54.799
I I I'll say this.
00:28:54.960 --> 00:29:00.480
I would bet more than not that that they're in a different location next year.
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:02.319
Yeah, I I would.
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:05.680
I'm I'm gonna do one more just bold prediction.
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.000
I think they're gonna go to Pinehurst.
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:11.039
There's so many courses.
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.480
There's so many courses that they can choose from.
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:19.759
Um, they can play different ones, like it just it just makes sense, in my opinion.
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:20.240
What do you think?
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:35.279
That would be so cool because Pinehurst comes with a lot of I mean, that would be really cool because now you're exposing a lot of YouTube golf watchers to a really fantastic course with history, and you get to see it from a different angle.
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:36.400
I would love that.
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.839
I would be so for seeing Pinehurst on here.
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.160
Yeah, that would be so awesome.
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:43.839
Okay.
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.119
Um I know you got a list.
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.680
Who doesn't make it back next year?
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.960
Okay, probably a pretty easy one.
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:54.799
I don't think Duke makes it back.
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.839
Um sorry, Duke, you had you had your time.
00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:58.319
Yes.
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:02.799
Um I don't think Andrew Santino's gonna come.
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:04.319
Interesting.
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.200
On on his own accord or non-invite?
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:09.839
I think he's gonna be a non-invite.
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:22.640
Because he he is very much a very specific personality to be a part of this, and I don't think he was who like they thought he was gonna be this time around.
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:24.160
Which sucks because I love him.
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.119
I think he's hilarious.
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.640
I would love to see him again.
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.160
Um who else?
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.160
Dang, some of these guys Brian bros come back.
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.160
That see, that's a good question.
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:43.920
I I think I'm really 50-50 on that.
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.759
Reason being is because they're gonna be focused on their YGT stuff.
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.079
Um secondly, like this isn't their channel, you know?
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:59.440
So they they have Barstool and Bob have no real loyalty, even though Bob and Wesley are like best buds.
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:06.000
But they were a very uh insignificant part of this tournament this year.
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:06.480
Yeah.
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:13.200
So I mean, honestly, chirping, I I don't think they add much to this, on honestly.
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:31.359
I I and you know, with the whole few feud that's going on between uh Wesley and and Barstool, I feel like that's what's so tough is Dave, I think got quoted saying he's like the greatest villain.
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:37.119
Well, Dave could view that as one of two ways, like eh, we're not gonna need him, or oh, we need him.
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.200
So it's it's tough.
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:40.880
Um, so we'll see.
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:41.839
We'll see what happens.
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:46.319
If I had to bet on whether they return or not, I would probably say they don't.
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:52.160
I I can't tell if that's non-invite or they don't want to come, um, but I'd say they don't.
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.920
All right, let's see.
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.960
Um who's a person you definitely got returning?
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:04.319
The winners for sure.
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:05.359
Obviously.
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:11.119
Um here's who here's who I I know will return.
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.279
Uh all the Bob to sports guys.
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:14.079
Yeah.
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.039
Obviously.
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.559
But also because I think people want to see them go a little bit further.
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:24.319
We don't want to see Jet and Joey crash out and have to walk off after the fifth hole.
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.920
Um, so yeah, who else coming back?
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.480
I think John Gruden should come back.
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:33.440
Uh yeah, third round with Gruden would be great, man.
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.640
Yeah, I thought I thought he was awesome still.
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:41.599
Um Salim's probably gonna come back
because of how this ended.
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:42.880
Who is he?
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.599
Oh my gosh, that would be so controversial.
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.720
I I know, but I think that's why they're gonna do it.
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.880
Holy cow, I haven't even given that a possibility of a thought.
00:32:53.039 --> 00:33:00.319
Uh really that I mean you're totally right, but it just it's given what we just saw today, that's unfathomable in the moment.
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:11.279
I think I kind of see it as the same way as like Luke Kwan was kind of the you know, the the spectacle last year, and they brought him back to kind of redeem himself, they're probably gonna do the same.
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.400
And then yeah, they'll do the same with him.
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:19.119
But the last person that I I know they're gonna bring bring back is Big John.
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.799
Like it's just he he was the star of the whole thing, you know.
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.240
So for sure.
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:29.279
Yeah, but I I would love to see a little more from like Mason Nutt.
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:31.839
Uh who else?
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.000
I really enjoyed watching Evan Thompson.
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.319
He's just a great golfer and seems like a good dude.
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:37.599
I would like to see him back.
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:39.519
Um Chassie.
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.960
Chassie is just I I think he's the nicest, coolest dude.
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:47.680
Um, and yeah, I he's a great golfer, and I want to see him come back too.
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:48.480
100%.
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:49.519
All right.
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:50.480
What do you think?
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:57.200
Well, yeah, I think um I'll say this.
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:02.880
I I'm trying to think of the out like the fringe ones that might not make it that I'd put my stake in.
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:04.480
I think Chetty comes back.
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:13.039
I think he provided enough okay golf mixed in with enough controversy that it he'll be invited back.
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:17.679
Um I agree with you on Santino.
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.199
I don't think he'll be back.
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.880
Um, this is a tough one.
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:39.760
I think I don't know, some people that have just not had much of a storyline, like this is no fault, but like I don't know if Sarah Winter has provided that much entertainment.
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.079
I think she probably is a two-and-done kind of person.
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:45.840
Um, like, who is that?
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.239
I know everyone else knows but me, but who the hell is that next to Brad Tolkey?
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.119
Um got so much airtime this episode.
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:54.320
It was crazy.
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.119
Um but yeah.
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:58.800
Uh so yeah, I don't know.
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:03.840
Um one more that that definitely makes it.
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:07.280
I think, yeah.
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:08.320
I mean, I'll just say this.
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:13.440
I think Nutty I would die to see Nutty on like day two or three.
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.159
Um yeah.
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.559
So he he definitely gets the nod back.
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.119
We gotta get some of these people into late rounds.
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:30.639
It would be it would be so fitting to watch Joey not make the second day yet another time.
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.519
Yeah, yeah, unfortunately.
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:36.639
All right.
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:41.360
Any last predictions for next year?
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.039
Do we have a single back-to-back winner?
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.960
I could see FP winning again.
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:58.719
Dude, what a run from the big FP if he could pull it out.
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.239
Oh look at that flow.
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.239
Look at that flowing walk.
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:05.679
That's a back, that's a back-to-back winner if I've ever seen one.
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:06.480
Talking about it.
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.039
We really wanted to see the Eurostep at some point.
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.199
How do we not see the Eurostep?
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:11.760
You're so right.
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.960
I was waiting for it every episode.
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:16.719
Well, that's crazy.
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:17.599
Yeah.
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:18.800
Wow.
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.519
Um, I I'd say no.
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.119
I it's just so random.
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:28.559
I think that's what's so crazy is like half the golfers get knocked out on the first day, and it is seemingly random.
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.440
You can do your part, but it's so random.
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.400
And um, yeah, I think that's just how the chips fall.
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:38.559
I don't think we see uh uh a back-to-back winner next year.
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:49.440
Um call this right now, I think purse above Pornoy did say he wanted 10 million.
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.840
I don't think it gets to 10 million that quick.
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:52.880
I'll go eight.
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.960
I go, they're gonna just double it for visual purposes.
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.440
I'm gonna go eight, which is crazy.
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:00.719
That's crazy.
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.119
I I I wouldn't be surprised with 10.
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:04.400
I'll say 10.
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:10.000
I mean, who wouldn't just I know that's crazy when you put it at 10 million?
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:17.199
Uh, we've talked about this in the past, you know, the Austin Reeves, the Caitlin Clark, the the Kevin Hartz of the world.
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.360
Like these people do not need that money.
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:29.280
But if you're saying
there's an opportunity for two and a half million, three, three, three point three million for a 10 pool, who's not gonna take that?
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:31.679
I mean, that's that's unbelievable.
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.920
I think there's something about it is for I mean, because I mean, look at this.
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:42.719
When you look at the a lot of these names, not a lot, but uh some of these names, million is nothing.
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:43.599
It really is.
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:44.159
True.
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:45.039
I got you.
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:52.000
Um, but the idea that you can win a million dollars playing golf, I think is a draw for people.
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:52.639
Totally.
00:37:52.960 --> 00:38:00.000
Because you get to kind of live out that little dream of being a quote unquote professional golfer, even though you're not.
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.239
You know, this is as far as it's gonna go.
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:09.280
So there's something about winning money playing golf that I'm sure feels good for the folks who have enough money still.
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:10.159
For sure.
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:11.280
Agreed.
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:12.480
Well, good.
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:18.320
I I feel it's like the day after Christmas, just can't wait till the exact time next year.
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.559
Looking forward to it, you know.
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:22.239
Yeah, I know.
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:23.519
It was it was great.
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.920
And uh I don't know.
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:35.039
I I kind of also would like to see maybe some smaller events throughout the year, you know, maybe just one video of some random.
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:35.599
Yeah.
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.559
I think I think we should do our first bar stool event.
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:39.840
I think that would be fun.
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.719
Um the you know, the pay-to-play ones.
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.559
Um I think that would be really fun for us to do uh together.
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:56.639
And um yeah, well, hopefully, like I said, if they're not gonna do a play-in, some sort of mid-season event would be really cool.
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:02.079
Definitely, definitely clearly the viewership is here, the demand for it is very much here.
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.360
So it is, and how do you think it compares to something like a YGT?
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:13.039
Well, I think by the numbers, this is about three times the viewership of YGT.
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:13.760
I think.
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:14.719
Maybe, yeah.
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:19.920
I think th on the most popular ones this season, I think it's three times.
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:24.800
Um so you know, I think both, I think both have a place.
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:29.119
I I was I was surprised and impressed by YGT's viewership.
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:33.920
Um, I think it's I think there's like a weird split audience.
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:39.119
The people that watch YGT don't necessarily watch internet invitational, and vice versa.
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:44.000
Um so there's enough demand to go all around.
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:45.119
Yeah.
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:46.320
Really is.
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:47.039
Wow.
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:48.159
Yeah.
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:49.199
Well, cool.
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.039
Um that's gonna do it for us.
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.599
Thank you for joining and see you next time.
00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:58.719
All right.
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.000
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