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WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.799 Living with a chronic illness isn't always about warrior metaphors and beating the odds. 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:10.960 Sometimes it's just about figuring out how to exist when your body feels like a glitchy operating system. 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:20.559 This podcast explores the messy middle ground of disability, the grief of the former self, the absurdity of medical gaslighting, and the dark humor found in the waiting room. 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.399 Today I have a very special guest and I'm so excited to have her here. 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:27.039 It's the badass with a badass, the one, the only. 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:27.760 Hello. 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:28.960 What's up, girl? 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:30.719 So excited. 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:33.119 I didn't know I was gonna get that kind of intro. 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.359 Oh my goodness, that was so sweet. 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:39.840 I had to write that because I was thinking back to when I did some of the walkouts with you. 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:40.479 Huh? 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:43.039 And you were working our asses out hard. 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:44.640 The ass is my favorite. 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.439 Like, if you're not working your booty, then why are we here? 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:48.640 I'm just kidding. 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:49.679 Well, you know what though? 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:51.039 I've been thinking about that recently. 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:54.640 I've been on this like whole weight loss journey since lag last August. 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.159 And I was looking in the mirror the other day and I'm like, I've lost all this weight. 00:00:58.240 --> 00:00:59.600 I've lost 68 pounds. 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.600 I feel so good in my skin again, but I have no butt. 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:04.319 It's like flat. 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:05.200 There's no butt there. 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:08.319 And I was like, shit, I need to start doing this stuff again. 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:14.000 Girl, there, you know, the lunges, the curtzies, the bulgaria, they're all there for you. 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.879 Anytime you need them, you just a little bit at a time. 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:18.159 Just add them back in. 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.239 You'll have your booty back in no time. 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:20.799 I know. 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:29.200 I was so focused on the stop eating so much, stop eating all the snacks, stop drinking my calories and start moving my butt more and getting cardio. 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:30.560 And that's all I was focusing on. 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:41.280 And now I'm like, and those are great focuses, you know, those are great to like get into alignment, how you want to feel, and then add in the juice, right? 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:44.239 So you're on the exact right track. 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:45.599 You good, girl. 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:46.959 You're on the exact right track. 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:48.000 It's totally okay. 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:48.480 Yeah. 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:48.959 Good. 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:51.920 Because I'm looking at my muscles going, do I have any? 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:53.120 Yeah, yeah. 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:54.799 Definitely get that muscle going, girl. 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:55.599 Pump it up. 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:58.879 So I need you to just keep posting stories because it motivates me. 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.040 And every time I see you, I'm like, okay, I gotta do this again. 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:02.400 I gotta get, I gotta get in there. 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:03.200 You got it. 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:05.599 I will keep posting my ass on my stories. 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:06.159 Perfect. 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:06.799 Yes. 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:07.439 Yes. 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:08.560 So, okay. 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.560 For people that don't know who you are, because you're more than just the badass with a badass. 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:18.240 Do you mind starting out by telling us a little bit of your backstory, a little bit about who Live Lou is? 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:18.879 Yes. 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:20.560 I guess I'm getting my whole spiel. 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.199 So I'm Live Lou, owner of Move to Live. 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:26.319 I create adaptable movement for the chronically badass. 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:45.439 My purpose and my goal is to always create safe environments for people to sink in into a movement practice that honors their goals, but also honors the invisible experience that they have, whether that be chronic illness, autoimmune conditions, mental health hurdles, so on and so forth. 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:48.479 I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis at age four. 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:51.840 I guess that's juvenile idiopathic, but that is such a mouthful. 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:53.439 I'm like, it's already, honey. 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:54.240 It's whatever. 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:55.599 Like exactly. 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:03.840 It's so I was diagnosed at four years old, and then I was diagnosed with uveitis, which is less heard of. 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.319 I always tell people, it's arthritis in the eyeball. 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:11.199 Not exactly it, but that's essentially some inflammation in the eye when I was eight. 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:22.319 And so growing up with that gave me just a lot of empathy and a like a scope on movement that I feel is unique to me. 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:31.520 And just it helped me get into the mindset that movement is so powerful, and it's a way to tap into your pain and how pain can become power. 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:32.479 And that's it. 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:33.199 That's me. 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:34.719 Yeah, I live in San Francisco. 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:36.400 I run my business from my home. 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:40.240 I have a sweet studio that I'm so grateful to have here in this city.

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00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:48.240 Yeah, and and I you and I met, oh my gosh, years and years ago because we all hopped onto Instagram to feel less alone. 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:55.439 And there was a time where I did a lot of advocacy videos and injection videos because I am on a biologic injection. 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:59.919 And that that really introduced me to you and Allie and all these other queens. 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:01.360 And I'm just so grateful. 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:02.080 Me too. 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:06.800 And I, you know, I didn't think that it would go where it has gone doing it all these years. 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:07.680 I don't know about you. 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:15.520 And I it has been interesting to just kind of watch how we all fluctuate and sometimes kind of change how we post and what we post about. 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:21.519 But a lot of that I think has to do with our disease activity, where it's at, what our medications are. 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:25.120 I mean, it's just it's kind of like that ongoing roller coaster all the time. 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:26.319 We're always changing. 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:29.519 So, where do you feel like that's evolved for you over the years? 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.800 Have you been able to stay with the same medication? 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:33.920 Have you changed a lot? 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:35.680 What's what's been working for you? 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:42.399 I love that you're saying like it all kind of depends on where we are in our journey because I know I've post, I don't really post anymore. 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:45.839 I've kind of de-centered my RA in a way. 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.240 And I owe that to Embril. 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:53.279 I've been on the same biologic, fortunately, for eight, 19 years. 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.399 That's a long time to be on the same medication. 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:02.800 And I like am so blessed and so lucky to be able to say that the same medication has worked for me. 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:07.600 Like, obviously, like I still have flare-ups, I still go through bouts here and there. 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:17.279 There has been questions regarding my eye whether or not I should switch to Humira or other medications, but it never got so bad that they pushed, that they nudged me over the edge. 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:24.000 So yeah, it's it's really worked for me, but it's not just the medication, it's also how I show up in life. 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:48.399 And that's why I'm so glad like the subject we're talking about today is it I feel like it really resonates with where I'm at in my journey and as far as like decentering my RA and um it's a part of my big scope, but I've kind of taken it out of the limelight, like I've taken it out of the spotlight, I should say, and kind of put it up into my little collection of things that make me me. 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:49.680 Right. 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:50.560 Yeah. 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:56.959 So my my movement practice is a huge part of why the embrel is still working as well. 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:06.560 Strength training and mobility training is just like paramount into the complementary medicine that that I've been doing. 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:08.319 So I love your word choices. 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:09.759 I think you described it so well. 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:13.600 Um to be on a medication for 19 years, that's incredible. 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:17.279 The longest one I was on, I was on OTesla for seven years. 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:21.120 I've been on methotrexate off and on since 2012. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:26.399 They just kind of bring it back every once in a while when I start to kind of have extra disease activity. 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:31.519 In fact, I saw my rheumatologist, I think it was a week ago, and he's adding it back in. 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.560 So I'm like, oh yay, I get to do shots again. 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.639 Methotrexy, yay! Yeah, just in time. 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:40.000 I know. 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:45.519 I'm like, ooh, just in time for fall and winter, I get to be on two medications that lower my immune system. 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:47.439 Yay! Yeah, I know. 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:49.279 Don't let me cry. 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.079 I'm actually waiting to take it. 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:53.360 I'm not taking it yet. 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:55.040 My grandson's coming to visit. 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:59.360 We're picking him up next weekend, and we're gonna have him for like a week, week and a half. 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:06.720 And I'm like, you know, he's if he's gonna break germs and he's gonna be doing things and no. 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:20.720 See, I love that you say that because I think a lot of people don't know who haven't been doing this for as long or maybe newly diagnosed, they don't always know that they have a choice like that in the power over your own medication. 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:26.800 Like, yes, a lot of us are dependent on the medication, but we're not locked in. 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:35.920 You know your body better than anyone, so you know that you can say, I'm actually gonna start in two weeks instead of right now, like my doctor says I should or can. 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:36.399 Right. 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:38.000 I think that's I think that's brilliant. 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:44.480 I think it's smart and it's a way to harness control in a very uncontrollable area of our life. 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:45.040 Exactly. 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:50.879 And I look at it this way they tell us to pause our medications anyway when we get sick or get an infection or have surgery. 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:52.639 And so I'm looking at it the same way. 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.319 If my grandson's coming to visit, it's okay if I stop taking my medicine for a little while. 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:06.160 It's gonna give me that

extra chance of hopefully not getting nasty sick, you know, or if we're going somewhere and I'm gonna be flying, you know, what can I do to try to make that easier? 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:09.279 And sometimes skipping a medicine and paying for it later. 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:14.720 And you know, we do what we gotta do, we do what things we think works best for our individual circumstances. 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:15.519 Absolutely. 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:16.560 I love that. 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.680 Okay, so we're gonna get on to the actual real questions now. 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:24.079 So I I sent these to you ahead of time so you could kind of debate over them. 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:28.800 But first one I wanted to start with is buddy, nunchak is looking to hell. 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:30.079 You don't need to have a buzz. 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:32.559 The extra pressure it gives us too. 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:37.679 So the first part, my question is Did society label us as words or did we? 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:38.720 I think it's both. 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:39.919 I think it is both. 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:43.840 I think it's gosh, it's so there's a lot of nuance here. 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.120 And there's like two sides of the coin, right? 00:08:47.360 --> 00:09:07.519 So obviously, what I think is really sweet about labeling or utilizing the word warrior when it comes to people with disabilities and chronic illness and so on and so forth, is that there are so many times where we have to cancel plans or we can't do this, or we choose not to do that, or we have to hold back. 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:14.720 And that can often be seen to people who don't know better as like they're like they seem weak or they're not strong. 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:19.279 But when you call us warriors, you're seeing us in our strength. 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:30.480 You see, you're like lifting us up and being like, Yes, you are faced with all of this, and yet you still show up, and yet you have a smile on your face, and yet, and yet, and yet. 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:34.960 So, I I do think it's so beautiful and wonderful, and it's a great word. 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:38.799 It's been one of my favorite words within the community. 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:48.320 At the same time, I think, I mean, to this the second question of like what kind of I forget what the word you use, but hidden pressures. 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:49.759 Hidden pressures. 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:57.840 It's like you're so strong, and you're like, no, I feel I feel like I just got ran over by 10 trucks. 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:04.080 You know, it it's kind of um, it's like it can lean into toxic positivity in moments. 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.559 How is how is anybody supposed to fucking know? 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:07.360 I don't know. 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:14.799 We don't even know sometimes, but yeah, sometimes it can be be the pressure of this is a constant in our lives. 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:16.240 So yeah, I'm a warrior. 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.279 Yeah, and we're doing it because we have no other choice, yeah. 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:41.679 And so sometimes the better answer or the better thing to do as an advocate or supporter is to not do anything at all and just like see that I'm normal too, and you know, use action instead of words, you know, play with love languages, not just center on the verbiage of like, you're a warrior, so you're so strong, you can do it, you can do it. 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.200 It's like just shut up and feed me, like please, please. 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:49.600 Yeah, just show up and give me some dinner, bring me a coffee or whatever. 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:50.159 Yeah. 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.159 Or just say, I see you. 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:53.279 Yeah, want some comfort. 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.639 You don't have to label what is happening for me. 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.519 You can simply just see me because it is so nuanced. 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:11.840 And I think sometimes when people want to label or want to give those encouraging words, they're almost wanting to fix the mood when there's nothing to be fixed. 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:18.720 So it's so beautifully intentioned, especially when people are labeling themselves as warriors. 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:19.919 I don't think I can say it. 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.320 I don't think I could say it any better than you. 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:29.679 I I find it interesting because depending on who we speak with, different people feel different about the word choices. 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:33.360 Some people they want to be called a warrior, they take it as a compliment. 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:35.919 They're like, Yeah, heck yeah, I'm badass. 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:40.960 Compliment me on what and then other people are like, no, I'm not a warrior. 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:42.320 I'm just trying to live. 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.000 It's just about taking the time to be respectful. 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.279 And we we can even ask people, this is something that bothers you. 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:50.879 Because what way? 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:55.519 Yeah, or like what is the way that you like to receive support? 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:56.720 What would you like? 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:58.320 Would you like just me to listen? 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:00.480 And I think this is across the board for all humans. 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:02.960 It doesn't matter if you're you have something going on or what. 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.600 It's like your friend texts you a novel because they needed to vent. 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:17.120 The the next step is to be like, do you need me to go off with feedback or do you need me to just hear you right now? 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:17.759 Exactly. 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:24.480 Sometimes we already know that about our friends and our loved ones, but if you don't, that is just

such a great go-to space. 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:25.919 It's just ask. 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:32.399 Because I think we all want to know the answer and have the answers for the people we care about and like do the right thing. 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:37.440 But we used we put the pressure on ourselves to have to know what the right thing is. 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:39.759 But if we don't actually know, then just act. 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:40.320 Oh yeah. 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:47.279 And sometimes I'll even say, I don't have the answers, I'm not even gonna pretend to, but I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to you vent all you want. 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:59.840 And after people are right along with you, we can we can bash on whatever this topic is, you know, if it's dealing with prior authorizations or maybe somebody cut you off and almost ran you off the highway. 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:00.399 I don't know. 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.399 Those are bad examples, but but whatever. 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:09.440 I they do happen, and I might not have the answers, but heck, if you want to complain about the insurance company, I'll complain with you. 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:11.919 Totally. 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:17.120 And it sounds like if somebody really wants to show up for you, they show up with food. 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:18.639 And that's that's awesome. 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:19.840 Yeah. 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:21.759 Food is uh, food is love. 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.279 For me, it's coffee. 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:24.480 Oh, yeah, that's true. 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:25.519 Oh, where is my coffee? 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:26.159 Oh my gosh. 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:27.120 Oh well, it's gone. 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:33.840 Well, and and another thought I was having about like kind of the other side of like people who do call themselves warriors. 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.120 Like, let's take like the outside people out of the equation. 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.320 But it's like, what is it to label yourself as a warrior? 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:41.759 And then what does that come with? 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:45.519 Um, because I do see, I mean, you do an incredible job. 00:13:45.759 --> 00:14:08.639 Ali does a incredible job, Ashley Nicole, like all these badass people who are constantly posting about symptoms, advocacy, groups, all of that, and something I used to do, it kind of does come with the pressure of having to kind of keep up with that, which is doing for others, which is a part of why we flare. 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:18.080 And you'll notice, I think most of us will notice, that the more we show up for others and the less we show up for ourselves is the more our symptoms come to the forefront. 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.240 It's also why I stop posting. 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:29.600 I just can't, for me personally, I admire the hell out of all of you and anyone who's continuing to post because I know how much work it takes. 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:38.799 I realized with all the just the work that I do because I meet with one-on-one clients, I'm like, I actually am without the capacity to go beyond that anymore. 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:40.720 And my symptoms got better. 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:44.080 And that's not to say that's the solution for everyone, it's just for me. 00:14:44.240 --> 00:15:00.480 And so I kind of took that warrior pressure off myself because part of being a warrior for me was speaking out for others and being an example and they're responding to DM after DM about, you know, injection advice, which I still do. 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:05.039 It's just like a much smaller quantity, and that's something that I can handle. 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.480 And I really love showing up for people in that way still. 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:12.080 It's just a different at a different level and a different capacity. 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:12.720 So yeah. 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:14.080 How do you recognize that? 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:23.360 Because I think a lot of people don't seem to pay attention to that and realize how it's a negatively affecting their health or even their mental health as well. 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:27.759 And I definitely have noticed I ebb and flow how often I post. 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:34.320 And you'll you can tell when I start to get burnt out or I if I'm just taking on too much, I'll suddenly just stop. 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:39.519 I might post stuff in my stories for a little bit, but I might even stop showing up in my stories too. 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.519 And and that's usually when people get concerned because I'm super quiet. 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:45.919 But sometimes I'm glad they get concerned. 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:47.200 Yeah, we just need the time. 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:48.559 Yeah. 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:49.600 We just need the time. 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.440 I can't show up for everybody and be it for everyone, and neither can you. 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:54.639 None of us can. 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:58.559 It it's a burden, and sometimes we don't think of it that way. 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.080 Well, and that's the thing, you don't want it to become such a burden. 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.960 You want it to be part of the passion project. 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:19.200 And then once the scale starts to tip and you you gotta have the balance of what yes, I'm giving, but what is filling my cup every single week when I'm giving out this energy? 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:21.759 Because it's not like there's no martyrdom here, right? 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:23.600 It's not like, oh, I do this and I exhaust. 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.000 No, it's just it's just something that happens. 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.000 Like our exhaustion and our fatigue hits like that. 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:31.840 And you're like, you were having so much fun, it was great posting, and then oh my god.

00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.039 Yep, overdone it again. 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:40.879 I didn't realize it because it's just not the average rate at which people get exhausted. 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:51.679 So, how how do you like speaking of while we're on this, like, I would love to know how you fill your cup while you are caring so much for your community? 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.320 Sorry, that was an unplanned question. 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:56.720 I know, but that's a good question. 00:16:57.919 --> 00:16:59.759 I I do a lot of self-care. 00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:01.679 I do a lot of self-care. 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:04.960 And summers are all about so every single day. 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.759 In fact, I'll be doing this as soon as we get off of this recording. 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:13.200 I throw on my swimming suit and I go out into my yard and I lay down and I read. 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.279 And I will probably do that for two hours. 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:17.119 And this is like Yeah. 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:22.880 So as long as the weather's good and it's only gonna be yesterday it was 74, so it wasn't that bad. 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:24.799 I think it's gonna get to 78 today. 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:26.400 That's perfect. 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:27.119 Oh my god. 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:27.920 Yeah. 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:29.680 I wish I had a pool, but I don't. 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:35.119 So sometimes I if I'm not reading, I turn on the Misters, or I'll take a break from reading and turn on the Misters. 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:48.079 But I I give that to myself as often as I possibly can because just taking the time to read and dive into a really good juicy book and and kind of just let my my brain wander and relax and rest. 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:49.759 It fills my cup so much. 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:50.400 It really does. 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:51.119 I love that. 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:56.400 And when I'm not doing that, you know, I'm doing like all kinds of like stuff for my skin. 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:57.680 I do a lot of skincare. 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.559 I FaceTime my daughter and my grandson a lot. 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:02.240 It's just stuff like that, you know. 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:06.400 It's sometimes it's the little, little things that make us feel so good. 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:07.359 It's true. 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:15.920 It's I think sometimes when we get burnt out and we're really over things, we feel like we need like this big vacation or like a big break. 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:20.720 But really, the all change is hard on can be hard on the nervous system. 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:34.160 So it's almost like the little morsels that are more consistent are actually more rejuvenating and sustainable for us than saying I'm going, going, going, and then I cut, take a break, and then I'm right back in it. 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.279 It's like, whoa, you're going, you're just getting whiplash. 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:38.799 But I just love that. 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:40.000 And I I'm the same way. 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:50.000 I've been reading a lot, and it's just those morsels that really let our brain kind of calm down and let us refocus and then come back to our passion project. 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:52.160 So any good books that you recommend right now? 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:54.799 Girl, I'm I'm on my 17th book of the year. 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.839 I'm reading Son of Achilles or sorry, Song of Achilles. 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:00.559 Well, I read I did actually I did it as an audio book. 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:06.559 It was good as like just in the beginning, and my friend, she I hope she listens to this. 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:07.920 She'll be like, That's me. 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.039 She described the writing as syrupy sweet. 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:12.640 And I was like, Stop. 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:13.839 It is. 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.319 It's it is just that. 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.599 I've been deep in romanticy for sure. 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:27.599 I read the whole Avatar series, I read the whole Empyrean, Fourth Wing, Iron Flame, Onyx Storm, waiting for the new books to come out. 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:34.319 I read Quicksilver, I read Oh god, I'm like wolf fabe thingies. 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:36.960 So I'm deep in it, girl. 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:38.319 You like spicy books, right? 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:38.799 I do. 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.599 I like spicy books, but like with a really solid plot. 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:42.079 Okay. 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.400 Have you read any books by Megan Quinn? 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:45.359 Megan no. 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:46.880 Okay, I'm gonna send you a couple remote. 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:48.240 Do I need to add the okay? 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.759 Please do, please do, because this she goes into great detail. 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:52.799 Perfect. 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:55.839 Can you see why I'm laying out in the sun reading? 00:19:55.920 --> 00:20:06.480 Because I'm like, I'm reading all these like romancey summary books, and I'm out in the sun going, okay, everybody with uh autoimmune, a chronic, whatever, whatever you have going on. 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:07.680 Romancy heals. 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:09.359 Okay, romantic heals. 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:11.440 Men written by women, heal. 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:13.680 Fucking the patriarchy, heals. 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:14.799 I'm here for it. 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.519 There's a reason why I'm on my 17th book of the year. 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:20.559 I mean, I know a lot of people who've read more, but like that's a lot for me. 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:31.599 You know, I set out a goal for 25 and I just finished my 27th, but I'm I'm also like I stopped working a day job, and so I have this extra time. 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:35.519 And whenever I go on these road trips to get my grandson, I'm

listening to audiobooks. 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.240 So I'm usually reading a book and listening to a book. 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:40.079 And so I'm going like boom, boom, boom. 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:43.519 And so yeah, I just finished my 27th, but I'm also like an advantage. 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:45.039 Oh yeah, girl. 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.839 I there are worse things to be addicted to. 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:48.400 Please. 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:49.359 There are. 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:49.920 There are. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:53.920 I always tell my uh husband, at least, you know, I'm not concentrated on hookers and blow. 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:55.920 That's like an ongoing joke in our family. 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:58.400 The answer about everything is hookers and blow. 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:00.160 You didn't see that one coming, did you? 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:02.720 Let me just put this into perspective for you people. 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:03.279 Come on. 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.519 So we have the hookers are these men in these books, okay? 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:10.079 Cassian and Re-San. 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:11.440 Have you heard of the game? 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:12.640 The game of things? 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:13.119 No. 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:14.000 Okay, okay. 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:21.759 So we have this game, it's called the Gaming of Things, and everyone has a piece of paper, and you're writing down answers to whatever this card is that's written. 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:23.359 Or sometimes we'll make up our own. 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.960 And so, say I pick up something and I'm like, things you wouldn't say to your mom. 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:37.200 And so everybody an answer, and then you'd hand it to me, and I write down an answer too, and I'm gonna read them all out, and you have no idea who who wrote them down, and you have to guess everyone but me, the reader. 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:42.319 And so it started becoming this joke that a lot of us would write down our answers as hookers and blow. 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:52.400 And one time before my mother-in-law moved in with us, we were playing, and and she um we had multiple people say the same answer, hookers and blow, and we're all trying to figure it out. 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:57.759 And lo and behold, she was one of my sweet, innocent mother-in-law said hookers and blow. 00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:58.559 So there you go. 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:02.720 Mothers are So they are mothers and they are others. 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.319 So No, if you ever want to throw somebody off, just just say those words. 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:11.680 Hookers and blow. 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:12.319 Yeah. 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:13.599 What do you want to do tonight? 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:14.640 Hookers and blow. 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:14.880 Yeah. 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:15.839 My husband calls me up. 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:17.279 What do you what do you want for dinner tonight?

00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:17.759 I don't know. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:19.279 Craving some hookers and blow. 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:20.240 Episode name. 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.000 Hookers and blow and warriors. 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:23.119 Yeah. 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:24.160 Oh my gosh. 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:25.119 Very good. 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:26.079 Very good. 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:30.160 I'm gonna try to back in because we could go so many different directions. 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:30.559 Yeah. 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:31.039 All right. 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:32.319 So this is a big one. 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:39.119 How do you handle the days when you don't want to fight or even be inspiring, but just want to exist? 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:40.480 We've all been there. 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:42.240 How do I how do I do it? 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:43.039 How do you handle it? 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:44.880 How do I how do I handle it? 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:45.440 Ooh. 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:51.359 You know, relieving myself of the pressure on social media has been a huge part of that. 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:56.000 That was the start of me slowing down my posting. 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:00.480 There was a while where I was posting for um, was it Health Beacon? 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.519 And I'm sorry if you hear Nunchuck drinking water. 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:04.480 I don't hear anything. 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:05.119 I feel like it. 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:05.920 Okay, perfect. 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:09.599 You know, there were videos you had to create and they were due by a certain date. 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:14.000 And then there was this vibrator company that reached out and they were like, do a video. 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.640 And at the time, I I had to email everyone. 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:20.720 I was like, Liv, you really have to be honest with yourself and you need to ask for what you need. 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:22.240 I said, I need more time. 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:28.400 I'm going through X, Y, and Z, and I need to post on this date instead of this date. 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:33.680 And so it's acknowledging what I need, like saying out loud, what does my body need? 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:35.920 What do I need right now? 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:41.839 Without giving a shit about what other people need, just for a moment, because we care a lot. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.599 We obviously care very much about other people, almost too much sometimes. 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:50.079 So there's that, and then and and then being like, Can I ask for it? 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:50.720 Do I? 00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:52.480 Of course you can, but will I? 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.480 Am I going to step out of my comfort zone and actually ask for what I need? 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:00.720 Whether it's canceling plans, moving a due date, all of that. 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:05.519 And that's something I've really been practicing over the

last four years. 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:10.960 I've really finally come into actually I'm unable to do this. 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:17.599 Is and here's the other kicker is sometimes I'll want to create an alternative. 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:21.920 And I think, sorry, I'm totally going like off an ADHD tangent right now. 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:22.559 That's okay. 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.000 Saying no or saying, hey, I'm actually unable to do this. 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.480 Thank you, without providing an alternative. 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:32.880 It's really hard in the world of people pleasing to not offer the plan B. 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:33.359 Right. 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:41.440 Because it's still taking your energy and you still don't have all of a sudden, like, because you moved it, like means that all of a sudden you have time or energy for it? 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:42.240 Absolutely not. 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:51.599 So that's just like, you know, tapping into what you need, how long you need it, are you willing to ask for it, and can you present it in a way that actually honors you? 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:56.400 More often than not, it's gonna be you saying what you want and need, and period. 00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:56.880 Yep. 00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:57.200 Yep. 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:13.759 And that is how I've been able to go about breaking my own people-pleasing cycle and breaking that cycle of only focusing on what other people care about, how it's gonna make them feel, and turning the attention to what I deserve. 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.039 I think that's crucial. 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:27.039 And I don't know about you, but when I first started getting asked if I would participate in things, whether it be gifting me with something or offering payment for something, I always wanted to say yes to everything. 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.960 And it was like, oh my gosh, if I start saying no, will I still get asked? 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:31.519 You know? 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:32.319 Right. 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:38.480 And so you're always, you know, when you're diving into this world, it's hard not to get afraid of turning things down. 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:40.319 And so it's always can I make this work? 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:41.039 Can I make this work? 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:42.880 And then before you know it, you're overwhelmed. 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:48.079 And finally, I had to recognize that if they want me that bad, they're gonna give me an extra week. 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:49.039 It's okay to ask you. 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:49.680 Absolutely. 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:50.079 Yeah. 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.759 Especially a lot of these, they already know we have a chronic illness. 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:57.119 So why wouldn't they be more open to giving us extra time? 00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.839 And if they're not, you might not want to work with them anyway. 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:00.559 Exactly. 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:01.200 Exactly. 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:05.599 And still helping you align, align with your values almost. 00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:11.119 Yeah, you know, and I'll I'll still get DMs from different various companies asking if I want to participate in something. 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:12.720 And sometimes I'm like, what? 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:14.720 I've gotten a lot for hearing aids. 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:15.759 I hear just fine. 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.880 I'm I'm 46 years old, I hear just fine. 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.799 In fact, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:25.359 I have like impeccable hearing, but I read one of them and it was like, even if it's for someone in your house. 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:30.559 So I'm like, okay, so basically get my mother-in-law free hearing aids, and then I have to make a video about it. 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.319 And and I kind of debated it because I thought, okay, she really needs some hearing aids. 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:42.079 But then I'm like, but then I have to like come up with this idea, have her participate in it, have her be okay with participating in it, be okay with it working. 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.119 And I was like, no, this is just not the right fit for me. 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:57.680 And I want my followers to know that when they come to see something of mine that I'm sharing, that I'm sharing it because it's something I use, it's something I love, it's something I want to recommend, not something that I'm just like, okay, I'll try to make it work. 00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:58.000 No. 00:26:58.319 --> 00:26:59.039 Right, right. 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:07.440 It yeah, like it if it's not organically something that you're excited about, I've never really understood just being like, cool, this product. 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:07.759 Yeah. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.119 Unless you really I can't fake excitement. 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:14.640 No, and I don't need a closet full of a bunch of junk I'm never gonna use. 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:21.200 You know, if it's a heating package, an ice pack, compression wear, yes, all that I will gladly try out. 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.359 I will love to see if it works for me. 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:33.759 And I would definitely write if it if it does work for me, but be open to being okay with what I have to say, because if I don't like it, you might want to be okay with me saying that. 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:35.279 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:41.519 So no, I mean, it's like I was doing my virtual classes and, you know, I was also going through grief. 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:49.599 And so all of a sudden, these virtual classes that I felt so excited about, so passionate about, they stopped feeding me in the same way. 00:27:49.759 --> 00:28:00.480 And I think part of learning to be and learning to fluctuate with yourself and what you need is also acknowledging that something that fed you once may not feed you

still. 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:07.519 And that doesn't mean that you're any less than or you're not living up to something. 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.160 It's that it's not serving you. 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.799 It's this, it's the same thing as like, oh, I'm I'm I just can't keep up with my workouts. 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.799 It's like, no, these workouts aren't fitting you. 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:17.920 It's a reframe. 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:26.960 And the moment I stopped doing, I was like, first of all, writing the email that said I'm no longer offering these classes took bricks off my shoulder. 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:32.240 And then I got in the next six months, I got seven new private clients. 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:47.519 What I was not serving me, I vacated, I extracted that, and it made space for so much more that actually fed me, that allowed me to be in my purpose in the way I wanted to be. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.319 And so, yeah, like to your point of like, I'm not losing any opportunities. 00:28:52.480 --> 00:29:01.920 It's just if this is meant for me, it will still be there when I'm when I have the energy to do it or when I can actually align with its needs. 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:02.480 Yes. 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.000 I and you know, I loved your virtual workouts, they were so much fun. 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:11.279 But at the same time, like we needed to understand and be respectful of what you needed and why you needed it. 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:16.799 And we all still cheer you on and support you, and we're all still attached to you know, we can't. 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.160 I feel so well because you are you're an amazing person. 00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:24.319 You have so much to offer the world, and it's not all about serving us. 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:25.039 So thank you. 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.640 We need to take care of you first. 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.480 Priority is always you, it better always be you. 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.079 And same to you. 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:36.960 I mean, I'm just so grateful that we all have this connection and can always keep in touch. 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.720 Like anytime you send me a voice memo, I'm like, oh, we're just picking back up. 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:41.359 It's sweet. 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.400 Yeah, that's just first. 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:43.680 I just want to be all new. 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.680 Yeah, I do think about offering like a one-off class sometimes. 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.680 I'm like, oh, that sounds fun. 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:59.839 Maybe you could have it like be a special occasion or something and and offer like ask all your past people to come back for a fun day together. 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:01.039 Yeah, totally. 00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.079 Shaking our asses and doing something, I don't know. 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.880 Hula hoops, whatever we want. 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:08.000 It's a free for all. 00:30:08.079

--> 00:30:08.720 Oh my gosh. 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:16.559 Okay, what is a healthier, more realistic alternative to the beating the odds mindset? 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:17.200 Whoa. 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:23.359 Okay, can you for my brain, can you clarify what beating the odds mindset is? 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:33.920 Like kind of so like maybe if I don't know if this is a good example, but maybe an example of like, say you had a doctor that said, Okay, so you might not be able to do this someday. 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.279 You might not be able to lift the weight, the weights with the way you want to someday. 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:39.920 You might be able to not not be able to be a fitness coach. 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:45.440 So, what is a healthier, realistic alternative to thinking about beating the odds on that? 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:46.319 Or do you like that? 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:50.319 I've honestly never like, I mean I never thought about it either. 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:56.160 I guess obviously done it because doctors have been like, well, stop planking, stop doing push-ups if your wrist hurt. 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.119 And I'm like, no. 00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:58.240 Are you kidding me? 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.440 I believe I mean knowledge is power. 00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:09.039 I think anyone with a body that speaks a lot more than the average, like our bodies talk a lot. 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.160 And when I mean by talking is I mean pain, communication. 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:13.359 Learn more about the body. 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.559 Take a biology course, take an anatomy and physiology course. 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:19.920 If that is not your thing, I'm I love taking classes. 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:20.640 I love learning. 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:26.559 If that's not your jam, listen to a reputable podcast. 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.440 I say that with so much force and love. 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:34.240 Reputable podcast by actual doctors and professionals that are vetted. 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.480 Listen to women's health science. 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:39.920 Also, get in with a physical therapist. 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:48.319 Are doctors like I'm taking kind of the lead from like your example of like a doctor because I think that that is that's where we get our odds from, right? 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.880 Is like doctors telling us what we can and cannot do. 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.240 Talk to a physical therapist. 00:31:52.559 --> 00:32:00.480 I say physical therapist over personal trainer because, like, yeah, I'm a CPT, but like educationally, PTs are gonna know what the hell they're talking about. 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:17.519 And a plus would be a PT that also understands chronic conditions, and they can help you understand the mechanics of your body and the mechanics of like how your muscles and tendons work in relation to your bones and your joints and how your body stacks and what you can do

to strengthen this or that. 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:27.200 Because the reality is like when we have pain in one area, there's so much strengthening we can do in other areas that would actually contribute to the well-being of said joint, right? 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:36.480 Yeah, because for me, when a doctor's like, oh, your wrist is has had some flare-ups recently, you know, avoid the planks. 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:50.079 To me, what I'm hearing is them kind of like covering their own ass instead of explaining to me, how can I actually strengthen the surrounding muscles to help my joint be stronger? 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.960 Or what I do in my training is we talk about form, right? 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.880 Like a simple, you know, in a plank position. 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:08.880 I come up, I put my hand in between at the center of the back, like where the traps are, and I go push into my hand, boom, that plank all of a sudden takes pressure off the wrist. 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:09.920 And you're like, what? 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:11.839 A doctor's not gonna tell you that. 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.160 So, anyway, knowledge is power. 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:31.119 Learn more, get in with movement professionals, physical therapists, occupational therapists, body workers who understand the mechanics of how your body works so that you can decide how to beat your own odds or because beating the odds blind is not beating the odds. 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:32.160 That's just winging it. 00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:32.960 Yeah. 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:37.119 And I'm sorry, but we can't just wing it when we have arthritis. 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:50.960 No, no, you need to be able to understand why you're modifying so that when that modification is no longer needed, you can progress forward and then progress back and know when to progress back or sorry, modify back. 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:51.440 Yeah. 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:53.119 I like your answer. 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.039 That's my long answer. 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.200 I know, I saw my wheels turning. 00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.599 Okay, I have one last really important question for you. 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:00.960 What does I know? 00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:02.319 So I'm looking at you. 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.440 Sorry, sorry, sorry. 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:07.279 What does broken but still breathing mean to you? 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.519 Because we've all been there, we've all felt broken. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.239 Like in the times where I've been the most broken. 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.159 Up to you how you want to answer. 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:15.599 I know. 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:16.320 We're sorry. 00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:17.519 I know. 00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:19.920 Don't don't apologize, don't apologize. 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:33.360 No, I think I think that's a really beautiful question because we, you know, I mean, personally, I've I've these last two and a half years have broken me all over again and rebuilt me. 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:36.960 You think that you are healed, which you are. 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:38.239 We all go through healing. 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:39.360 Life is cyclical. 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:48.880 So we heal, and then there's a life event or adversity or a flare-up or whatever that comes in and just hits us like a tidal wave. 00:34:49.039 --> 00:35:00.480 And my Tita passing hit me like 50 tidal waves, brought up grief that I never processed from when my mom passed, what, 16 years ago? 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.039 I for I don't know the number at this point. 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.239 But that very thing set me free again. 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.800 So broken but still breathing. 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:10.079 I'm getting passionate, girl. 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.320 Broken but still breathing. 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:24.400 What I would say right here today is trusting the process, is like being in it and being broken and being like, yeah, I am at my worst and I am broken. 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:39.039 I my heart is split, I'm in pain, whatever it is for the any person, but fuck, I am still breathing, which means ultimately I will come out the other side and I will be a different person. 00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:46.239 I have to trust whatever is happening now so that I can trust who I am on the other side. 00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:49.360 I love that. 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.920 And it actually got me thinking about something. 00:35:52.239 --> 00:36:02.559 So if we looked at ourselves like we were like a China class, you know, something that we weren't allowed to touch when we went to visit grandma, something precious in their home, like a China cup or something. 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.920 Say it got shattered, but we tried to glue it all back together. 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:10.000 We were that was broken, and it's got all that glue holding it together. 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:18.719 And as we go through all these things that we deal with in our life, yeah, we've got the glue holding us together, but that doesn't mean we don't feel where those pieces are missing. 00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:23.840 Those little slivers are gone and and there's no complete repair on that. 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.000 And so we're always gonna feel it. 00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.559 And everyone around us has the same thing. 00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:43.840 And so I I look at people with a different eye now and I recognize that maybe someone at a grocery store, I I'm you know, picking up some milk and maybe they're not being that friendly, but I don't know what slivers are missing from their life and what glue is holding them together. 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:44.320 Yeah. 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:48.800 And so maybe they're just broken and trying to hold it all together and they're just still breathing. 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:49.119 Yeah. 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:50.719 We'll have something that broke us.

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:52.639 We might have many things broke us. 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:53.199 Yeah. 00:36:53.440 --> 00:37:03.119 Well, and that's why my practice, I for a while I was like, oh, fitness with chronic illness, and you know, i I changed my slogan so many times, it doesn't really matter. 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:14.559 But it's it is really important that I include people who that they don't have to have had an autoimmune condition to be broken or affected in these tumultuous but beautiful ways. 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:20.000 You know, it could be a broken leg or like one event that really just took them on a journey. 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:29.920 And you talking about like the broken glass like makes me think of the uh Kinsuki, the like Japanese art of like repairing pottery with gold, like the powdered gold. 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.280 Which I actually did a work. 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.400 It's so beautiful. 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.400 I actually did a workshop uh recently. 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:43.280 And the way we did it, and obviously, like there's like a traditional way, and this is like the same day, you know, workshop where you can do everything in in a few hours. 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:52.159 But what we did is once the glass broke, you could you didn't just put the things back together and then put the glue in and then put the gold on. 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.880 You actually had to sand the edges. 00:37:54.960 --> 00:38:03.519 We had to spend like quite a bit of time sanding the edges down a little bit so that that gold could really shine through. 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:09.679 And it's just like such a beautiful analogy of how like you don't it's not that simple. 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.920 You don't just put the pieces back together and throw smack it with glue. 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:26.719 It takes work, it takes sanding, it takes patience and like whittling away day by day so that by the time all the pieces do come back together, that new piece of pottery, that gold can shine through. 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:28.239 Girls, same to you. 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.000 I felt very exhausted. 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:33.440 I I got my ass kicked this morning, but you brought me to life. 00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:34.079 So thank you. 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.199 Yay! I was just so glad you did this with me. 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.400 My gosh. 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:40.800 Oh, well, thank you for including me. 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:42.320 It was just so wonderful. 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:52.159 I was telling someone that about like how I used to do a lot of interviews and speak out, and I haven't flexed this muscle in a while, and it honestly feels really good. 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:56.400 So thank you for letting me like sit in that purpose and like sit in that light today. 00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:57.360 That was really special. 00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:58.000 Thank you. 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:02.079 I'm just glad you were wanted to do it and and uh we got to sit down and chat. 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:02.639 Oh yeah. 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.800 Well, listeners, thanks for joining us and stay tuned for the next one, right? 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:08.079 Woo boo. 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.360 Woo woo! I'll uh have her Instagram in the show notes so you can check her out. 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.119 But yeah, until next time. 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:16.159 Love y'all.

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