# John Burgman

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A Pioneer of the Climbing Gym Industry – Mike Pont

This episode of the Climbing Business Journal podcast is a little historical. There is so much that is often recounted and celebrated related to the heritage and lineage of outdoor climbing, and there is an equally fascinating counterpart to that history with the history of indoor climbing. The won…

The Value of Collaboration in Gym Creation – Parker Simms

Today's episode features an interview with Parker Sims, founder of Gravity Bear, a new bouldering gym built inside a century-old, renovated building in downtown Tulsa, Oklahoma. Parker talks with host John Burgman about the process it took to bring this ambitious project to life, from managing cons…

How Boyhood Has (and Hasn't) Changed with Chris Smith

Alex and longtime teacher and father of four, Chris Smith, explore how boyhood has evolved in a world where boredom is rare and distractions are endless. From reminiscing about boyhood adventures and the quiet lessons once learned through unsupervised play to confronting modern challenges like smar…

The History and Heritage of Summer Camp: An American Tradition

John Burgman and Peter Grunawalt delve into the history of American summer camps. You might also like: Summer Camp: An American Tradition by John Burgman "Text us feedback." Co-hosts Alex Kvanli & John Burgman discuss all-things related to Camp Voyageur in Ely, Minnesota. They share trail stories,…

Stretching Your Limits, Personal Growth Through Camping, & Working With At-Risk Youth Outdoors

A throwback episode from 2016 with Blaise Schulten. "Text us feedback." Co-hosts Alex Kvanli & John Burgman discuss all-things related to Camp Voyageur in Ely, Minnesota. They share trail stories, interview Voyageur alumni, & reflect on the lore of the Great Northwoods. They also trade Boundary Wat…

RunOut #65: Beating the GOAT, Olympics Edition

Ah, the Olympics: the time when GOATs will be made just as GOATs will be beaten. Do we really need to keep referring to the Greatest Athletes of All Time as a bunch of smelly, stubborn animals? Perhaps that’s fodder for a different discussion, as today, we stand in awe of the 40 climbers who’ve ear…

John Behnke & Erdmann on the Good Ol' Days at Camp Voyageur

2016 throwback live from the Mess Hall with Trail of Life documentarian John Behnke and Camp Director John Erdmann. "Text us feedback." Co-hosts Alex Kvanli & John Burgman discuss all-things related to Camp Voyageur in Ely, Minnesota. They share trail stories, interview Voyageur alumni, & reflect o…

Pro Climbing League London Debrief

I am joined by Natalie Berry and Tyler Norton to talk about our experiences watching the first Pro Climbing League event. We talk about the format and the effect on the routesetting, the show and our experience both in person and remotely. We compare it to IFSC/World Climbing events and discuss wha…

Inside the Circuit

Natalie Berry, Tyler Norton and I chat about the Keqiao and Wujiang competitions before discussing athletes growing into competing, the Ukriaine response to the change in the neutral athlete policy. We finish we making our picks for he 2026 World Climbing Series winners. Natalie is a freelance jour…