บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ 🎙️ Episode 5 – James "Jack" Kennett | Brotherhood, Motorbikes & Building a Life Worth Living

the government's uh either way you want to take this, putting watch out for bushfires on tally this early. 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:17.680 You know, you know what I mean? 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:26.960 And uh up even up in North Queensland, they're warning people that there might be catastrophic bushfires, and that worries me. 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.479 But anyway, that's Yeah, well, is there any other type than a catastrophic one? 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:30.719 Yeah. 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:40.479 I know, and we we've uh you know, and I suppose with you guys travelling riding all that, the uh uh indigenous brothers and sisters used to light the bush up. 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:46.159 But unfortunately, with all the do-gooders now, you're not allowed to do that. 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:51.199 No, I think we could take a leaf out of their book uh on more than one on more than one heading. 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:52.400 Absolutely. 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:56.400 Did you do you know the true meaning of um uh walkabout? 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:59.439 Well, I think I did, but you're probably about to tell me something different. 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:06.319 I was born in a uh a town in just outside of uh Adelaide called Meningi, and I was actually a minority. 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:08.080 I was probably the only white kid in the hospital. 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:13.199 I know I was the only white kid in the hospital, but um no, go on, tell me about walkabout. 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:26.319 Well, I learnt this when I was working in Papua New Guinea because they have the same term for the indigenous have their walkabout, and it was basically moving around in a large triangle mass, rejuvenating the forests and their food chain. 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:27.360 They're right. 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:44.240 So they used to light up where they'd been, then move, you know, say 90 degrees right or foot whatever degrees right, then go a few hundred, hundred and fifty kilometres and then eat that out, light it up, and then they'd end up back uh in a few years at the one they lit up first. 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:49.039 We could uh we could do worse and take if uh notes from our our First Nations people. 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.800 I think they're uh they seem to have things a lot more worked out than we do. 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:56.319 You know, you could ask what they knew about it uh back then, but we don't know now. 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:57.120 But uh anyway. 00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:57.919 Absolutely. 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.400 There's a whole session where I'll get you a whole lot of you boys on. 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:07.199 I'll do a quiz session on that because it is gonna be some of the questions on the brand new Oswide app coming soon. 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:11.039 I'm just actually sitting here building the Android version. 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:20.560 Um I've got to say, you are either a gotten for punishment or uh you you you you you've got more spare time on your hand than I must say. 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:33.600 And the guys you are doing this for, me being one of them, um, and I hope you notice that I've probably I've chimed in every now and then, and I thought, well, but if I say anything, PMAC's gonna come over the top of me with a better submission anyway. 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.000 So and he seems to be pretty invested in this. 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.560 He's uh he's very, very excited. 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:44.959 Um as you find out a little bit more about me, you'll you'll find I don't really care about GPS or maps or going. 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.240 So get all so good all the fun out of getting lost, isn't it? 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:51.759 Yeah, exactly. 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:53.600 But uh yeah, quite interesting. 00:04:53.759 --> 00:05:01.360 And P Mac did say it to me on um, I don't know whether it was a Who Is Your Hero podcast or the one I recently just did with him. 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:11.839 I I can't remember, but um coming off his battle with uh prostate cancer, it's been a really good avenue for him to grab hold of something again, so to speak. 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:23.120 And that's not what even Bolshe talk about either, grabbing hold of things in the back of a plane, but um it's more so that he and and I know myself, like uh you've heard my backstory of kidney failure. 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:36.240 And Jags and I have been good mates for 15 years, and just come to think he saw me advertise an app I was building for mental health, and he said, I got a good idea, and I said, Well, and I've got plenty of time, mate. 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:42.160 I'm on 10 hours dialysis a day, and I've uh had to retire from the building and concrete game. 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.120 So, yeah, two things about what you just said. 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.720 I am a fool, and secondly, I have got plenty of time. 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:50.319 So there you go. 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:51.279 Well, enjoy it. 00:05:51.920 --> 00:06:03.759 Yeah, you know, and I am with a a good bunch of blokes, really, uh, and what we're doing and with all of this, and it's it I think the interesting thing about the the Oswide boys is no one needs to do it. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:04.879 No, exactly. 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:31.759 Um no one needs the money, no one needs the the notoriety, no one needs the exposure, but it's probably something we all want to do, and there's a reason the I think the reason behind that is because if you're enjoying something so much you really want other people to to have the same experience as you do and enjoy that enjoy the passage of time, I guess, um the way the way we've started to do it in in our early 50s. 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.360 Um or to some of those boys in their early sixties. 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:43.439 Um and yeah, well, I I think that's that's uh something that's um uh a credit to all of these guys. 00:06:43.600 --> 00:07:05.680 And and I think

probably what might make it a little bit unique going forward is that you know they're gonna be pretty honest because like I said, no one needs to be there, they just want to be there, so you'll get some some straight up um straight up stories, some straight up talking, and um and and and a pretty honest and genuine um review of most things that get talked about. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:33.360 Yeah, and I think with this uh this well, some people say doom and gloom of the world, the news, everything that's going on around them, and to bring such a positive hobby out there for a lot of people who are in doomsday, I suppose, to produce something like this, and you just hit the nail on the head when when no one needs to do something and money's not the first, what would you say, the first uh first concern. 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.639 First concern, you really do get a do get a better thing. 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:50.319 And I said to Damo on the podcast, I said if they can listen to fucking Farmer Wants a Wife or watch that on Tally or or Google Fucking Holidays or Bloody Whatever, this one's gonna go off its tits. 00:07:50.879 --> 00:08:07.360 Yeah, I think I I yeah, and maybe that's what people might need a dose of is unrealistic, you know, what the proper reality rather than um scripted reality, because I you know these guys aren't gonna read anything you put in front of them, they're just gonna say what they damn well feel like. 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:09.519 One 100%, mate. 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.040 Now my podcasts always go off track, and we just did that. 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:13.839 Excellent. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:14.319 Good. 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:18.639 Well, I I'm I invented the uh concept of tangents, so uh mate. 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:20.639 I'm a shocker. 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:25.360 They head they head everywhere south-north, then we come back to our sheet. 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:33.759 And I have got a rundown sheet, and I'm gonna tell the people that uh we've just said shit's unscripted, but this is scripted, but it won't stay scripted very long. 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.039 They all call you Jack, right? 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.960 But that's actually not what everyone else calls you, is that right? 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:42.320 Is this what around? 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:44.080 Is there a still being uh this? 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:45.039 Yeah, sort of. 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:46.320 It's well, there is. 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:58.240 Um I uh I I'm of of a certain um vintage, you know, born in 71, and I think it must have been a reasonably popular name to be called James back then, James Jamie. 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:09.360 Um and going through school, we had I think there was probably 150 plus people in our year group, of which I think it was 13 we counted up one stage were James or Jamie. 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:15.039 Um but it ironically we all sort of managed to get through high school without having nicknames and things like that. 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:28.879 And I went to play um uh old scholars football, amateur league football, and um one of the guys who was the goal umpire at the end of the game came up to me sort of tulling up the the um stats and he said, Oh, are you Jack Kennett's son? 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.679 And my father was a John, so you know John's got Jack. 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:37.120 And I said, Yeah, and there was six of these Jameses, five or six of us in that team at the time. 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.159 And he'd said, Well, this is gonna get, and he just said, You don't mind if I call you Jack? 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:41.440 And I said, Oh no, that's fine. 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:48.000 And then the next week of the other and there was a different bloke, and he said, Um, you know, it's confusing all these Jameses. 00:09:48.080 --> 00:10:03.120 I said, Oh, well, you can call me Jack, that you know, Rigo did last week, and and it's probably something I didn't think very well through because my dad was known to everyone as Jack because he was John, and then there was me, um, so I was getting Jack and we both played at the same footy club. 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:19.600 So when we both and we lived across the road from the footy club, so we'd go there on a Saturday night, and if you know um he never went up to get any of my best and fairest awards, I can tell you, I I made sure I got those, but uh uh yeah, and and that's and it sort of really stuck, and you know what, I I don't mind it. 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:33.840 Um there's I I sort of live in two camps where my work and um some of my professional life, no one would know me as Jack at all, and then there are people who I played footy with who for and have known for 25, 30 years who don't know my real name. 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:34.480 So there you go. 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:39.679 Yeah, nicknames are quite funny because I've got some mates uh that I wouldn't know their first name. 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:42.559 Yeah, you know, that's 30 years on. 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:46.080 I mean I would if I dug deep, but it doesn't even come across, does it? 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.639 No, though I'm I'm sure we've all got those blokes that we call Chook or Bluey or something like that. 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.840 Yeah, you don't really tell around and go, that's that's Todd. 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:54.240 Hey. 00:10:54.799 --> 00:11:01.679 The other boys all seem to have found each other through football, which I found uh Jags and uh Bolshe. 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:04.720 What was your pathway into this tribe? 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:18.480 Um look to be honest, though those other blokes, other than Michael, who I've known for uh since 1984, 83, 84, um the others haven't had the privilege of playing football with me, I guess you could say. 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:21.440 You know, that's that had the um I was very good. 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:22.559 Um Bolshe did. 00:11:22.720 -->

00:11:34.480 Bolshe played a uh a fair bit of um underage, you know, high school football with myself, and it's probably how he got to um to to you know to to rely on us little fellas. 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:38.559 I'm I'm a bit of the same stature as uh as Jags and Damo. 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:40.799 Um we're a bit in and under. 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:46.320 And Bolshe's uh an outside player, I think what you call, one of those that uh hangs around the outside and gets that. 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:49.120 Wait, you've been waiting for this podcast, haven't you? 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:56.559 That quickfire handball that comes out and then he runs away and he kicks a lot of goals, Bolshe, and um and and and showboats a bit. 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:05.200 But uh uh and I guess you know, P-Mac being a knock ruckman back in the day, he would have um he would have received a few straight on the straight on the chest lace out from P-Mac. 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:13.440 Um so yeah, I think that's what Bolsheigh gravitates towards is those those in and under type of people or the the guys that are going to get him the ball pretty quickly. 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:19.519 So uh but in seriousness, the blokes played in ten ten grand finals and won five or six of them, I think. 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:22.559 He's probably he's probably a bit more decent than I'm giving him credit for. 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:24.879 He's a better footballer than I ever was, I can tell you. 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:38.080 But uh so I met Bolsheigh uh at high school and um and I I came across the other guys, I guess you can say it was through this this um this um uh this this football tour uh carnivals they go to. 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:45.120 Um, because Bolshew's in town to um go to I think there was one here and Jags was here at the same time. 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:56.000 And I happened to have a flight alert thing on and saw that Bolshew was flying his plane into Adelaide, so I rang him that night and said, I looks like you're here, and he said, Yeah, yeah, I'll meet you for lunch tomorrow down the down the road. 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:10.559 So I did, and as were there, Jags and Vicky walked past and sat down, and this is sort of 11:30 in the morning or 12 o'clock you know lunchtime, and we were there all afternoon, um, just sitting at this restaurant having a uh couple of quiet ones and a and a meal. 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:19.440 And through the conversation, um I sort of realised that uh you know Jags and I had a fair bit in common with things that we liked. 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:29.679 Um and and Jags turned to Bolshev and I and said, Oh, you know, this motorbike trip I'm gonna organise, you know, it's gonna happen in in August and you know next year and all that sort of stuff. 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:31.360 So, you know, get yourself together, Bolshe. 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:33.039 And I said, So what are you talking about? 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:40.320 And he said, Um, oh, we're gonna ride our motorbikes from from um Darwin to Broome by the Gibb River Road. 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:44.320 I said, I and my wife was sitting there and I said, I can I come? 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:46.399 Yeah, of course you can come. 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.720 And she sort of looked at me like, well, you don't even have a motorbike. 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:59.440 I was and she know uh in our whole married life I've never had one, but I I certainly had them before we got married, and and I grew up on a farm um or partially on a farm where we had motorbikes and things like that. 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:01.759 So I was I was across them. 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:15.440 Um and uh yeah, so we we set up this thing and and um that was probably 12 months out from uh from our first trip, but I I spent the next 12 months I had something to look forward to, and I really needed that. 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:22.000 You know, I'd um in in in previous years before that, I've always sort of given myself something to look forward to. 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:27.200 I think in 2012 I put my bicycle on a plane and went and and followed the tour to France. 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:33.279 And in 2014 I uh I did a charity run at the New York Marathon. 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:38.320 Um 2016 things came around and my daughter came to me and said, You're a grumpy bastard. 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:40.720 Can you just sign up and go do that marathon? 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:42.799 You're a much better person when you've got something in front of you. 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:49.600 So I went again and did that again and um and did a bit of damage to the muscleskeletal system. 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:53.519 Um and I'll probably never run too far ever again in my life. 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:59.519 And then, you know, coming out of that and out of COVID, she's always a bit antsy and I just needed something to look forward to. 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:10.960 And the minute that Jags, you know, I'd known the bloke for 20 minutes and and and but I was like, well, yeah, if you're gonna do that, and Bolshe's gonna be there, and I've known Bolshev for 40 years, so yeah, count me in. 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:17.840 Um and that was sort of how it started, and then um, yeah, but I've I've been pretty grateful for it ever since, really. 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.120 You know, um Jack, you're talking about things like that. 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:31.440 The the first app I built was called Stay One More Day, and it's a mental health app for any ages, any any uh male, females, oldies, whatever. 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:39.679 And one of the one of the um uh pages, I suppose you call it, I put in it was was uh something to look forward to. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:49.679 And it was basically that mate, it was to put in in saying three months' time you've got a trip to Darwin or wherever, or you've got a golf trip up in Cairns or whatever, and it counts down the days. 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:50.000

Yeah. 00:15:50.159 --> 00:16:00.639 And it gives some purpose or a purpose away from work, you know, that a good a good feeling or a great memory's coming up, and I think it's a very, very good for your mental health. 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:06.240 Yeah, I think I said it uh earlier, Matt, that um, you know, it wasn't me who made up this line. 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:07.519 I was probably a comedian. 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:21.519 I I I reckon it might have been Jimmy Carr or someone I was watching, who's one of these guys that uh reasonably um well, a fair bit smarter than the than most of the population, but he said, you know, the the purpose in life is is to enjoy the passage of time. 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:27.759 And I've heard other people say things like, oh yeah, you're you're 50 years old, you've got 25 quid summers left and things like that. 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:34.399 And you can you can um you can sit there and get depressed about that, or you can sit there and go, yeah, okay, well that's that's plenty of time. 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:39.759 We can get some really good stuff done and not be bitter and twisted about getting older or all that sort of stuff. 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:51.279 But I I think having that thing in front of us, what once you've you know, you can go back 20 years ago when you were raising kids and getting married and and buying a house and building a business and all that sort of stuff, that was the thing that was in front of you. 00:16:51.440 --> 00:17:02.080 Um and and you know the weekend trip down to the south coast or you occasionally if you hopped on a um a Jet Star flight to to Bali or something, that was your your your your thing you did. 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:15.519 But yeah, as you get older and you my kids are now, well I think all of our kids that uh they're in this group, they're all pretty independent um and and by all accounts pretty we've all been pretty lucky with our our siblings, they're all pretty good people. 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:20.880 Um and you know, I've got a wife who's pretty understanding, very understanding, I would have said that. 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.559 And you you know, they they give you that ability to say, right, what what next? 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:27.279 And I think that's always what what I was looking forward to. 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:34.000 And it wasn't just broom now, it's you know, I've got these guys harassing me daily, going, what next, what next, where are we going next? 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.000 And I I I've I just love it. 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:36.799 I really do. 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:42.720 Yeah, and life can be all all work and all money and then you die and you get gib Well you will. 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:44.480 That's that's exactly how it goes, you know. 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:46.400 You you can fear death, but it's coming. 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.799 Yeah, that no one dodged it yet. 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:53.119 They're talking to me, I'm on I'm on uh dialysis, I suppose you call it life support. 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:57.279 And people go, how do you um how do you cope with like you know, you're on your deathbed? 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:59.759 And all that said, you fucking all are you idiots. 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:00.160 Yeah. 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.119 Don't just take me, and I'm probably the safest at the moment. 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.920 Doctors every week, but anyway, we'll get on to that subject. 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:11.839 Um, so 35 to 40 years with Bolshe, I mean, it's not a friendship anymore, that's family, eh? 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:14.160 And it it is, it really is. 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.480 It's uh you don't keep someone in your life for that long unless they have a real impact. 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.799 What makes this friendship with him so special? 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:24.799 And and what do you learn from him? 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:25.839 Uh huh. 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:27.839 He'll get a big hint. 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:28.079 I think. 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:36.960 That's the purpose of doing this, because I it's just it's a really I've got a couple of mates like him, and they're all mate, we're mates with each other. 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:44.960 Um, and yeah, we all went through high school together, and we all, you know, we all played first eight and footy together and old scholars footy together. 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:52.799 And you know, we're in the same year eight English class, so that's a long time, and and like you said, um there's no hiding from those guys either. 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.559 That they they've seen you on your worst day and they've seen you on your best day. 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.519 And um I think someone like Bolshe, it's a really good question. 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:01.599 Why do you keep people around? 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.039 Um, I I guess I've been lucky that Bolshevik kept me around. 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:10.559 Um if we're being really honest, he's he's a pretty unique character. 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:15.599 He I mean, he's a dichotomy in himself in the fact that he can be a fucking nuisance. 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:18.960 Um in the bet in the best possible way. 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:19.759 Yeah. 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:31.359 But you know, if you if if the world was burning down and someone had to stand at the end of the bridge to, you know, to watch out for for the the apocalypse, that's who I'd have standing on the other side there. 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.240 He might not be a very good fighter, but I know he'd fight for you pretty well. 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:44.640 So he's that sort of bloke, you know, and he's um he does um I guess I he he he he has genuine concern when he needs to. 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:48.799 He can read the play really well, um nine out of ten times. 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:56.880 Um he'll he'll see when it's time for the joke, and he'll see when it's time to you know

to talk business, to talk mental health, to to talk anything else. 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:01.519 And uh just he's always been a really animated sort of person. 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:13.680 So you know he he had has that sort of you know there's always that saying, you know, the the bloke that peaked in high school, he he was probably the guy who who peaked in high school and kept on peaking to a certain degree. 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:20.960 He never had time to go to university, he just um he piled straight into work, he had things to do, and he's and he just hasn't stopped. 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:24.480 You know, that was that started in the late 80s and I haven't seen him stop yet. 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:26.640 Very uh very streetwise. 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:29.839 Uh yeah, yeah. 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:31.039 Yeah. 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.920 He'll do uh streetwise. 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:39.440 Um unless it's blue rag or um yeah, Billy Goat's bluff or something like that. 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.400 It's just a don't follow him. 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:44.480 Don't follow him everywhere, is what I say. 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:45.920 I I've been saying that and I have. 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:48.880 I you know Hey, what do you say about you? 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:51.599 Uh I I don't know. 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:54.400 I just Oh that's how short cheese. 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:54.960 I don't know. 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:55.680 Good question. 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:57.839 That one I didn't put that one on the list, did I? 00:20:58.079 --> 00:20:59.519 No, you didn't put that one on the list. 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:02.079 Um it's uh but it raises a good point. 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:13.440 Uh I think you just want to know that your behaviour, whether it's Michael or Damo or P Mac or even you and I talking at the end of this, you know, you want someone to go away and go, that that's a reasonable bloke. 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:18.559 Um you know, I've had some people give you some sage advice over over time. 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:28.240 And I think, you know, people someone said to me not to go down the the death path too often, but um I someone said, you know, you write your own eulogy and then keep writing it. 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:30.000 And yeah, I thought, well, what does that mean? 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:34.160 And it sort of just means, you know, you what what do you want other people to say about you when you're gone? 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:43.440 So hopefully my behaviours around everyone else, um, I'm I'm sure they haven't always been immaculate, but I hope they're they're good enough that they want to keep you around. 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:47.599 Um and they don't, you know, th if they're happy to see you, then that's a good thing, isn't it? 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:53.119 You know, and you can see you can see happiness in people's face and hear it in their voice when they pick up the phone, you know. 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.400 And if you've done that, then that that's good enough. 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:57.440 I like it. 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.759 I um I ask every guest there. 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.799 What uh what does the brotherhood actually mean to you and your mates? 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:09.359 Before we get back to today's episode, let me ask you one question. 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:13.599 If tomorrow never came, what memories would you leave behind? 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:24.880 My last memory is your chance to record your story, your eulogy, your life lessons, your voice, and those special moments for the people you love. 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:34.079 Imagine your grandchildren receiving a birthday message from you years from now, or your family hearing your voice long after you've gone. 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:40.960 My last memory is available on the App Store from Friday, the 3rd of July, 2026. 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:45.119 For just$49.99 USD. 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:47.839 It's a one-off lifetime payment. 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:49.759 No subscriptions ever. 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:52.000 It's more than an app. 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.480 It's the greatest gift you'll ever leave the people you love. 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:01.680 Download My Last Memory and start creating your own legacy. 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:06.160 They talk about the Brotherhood, these guys, don't they? 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:07.599 They did on all the previous. 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:10.640 And then they went on to talk about themselves for 45. 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:13.680 Oh no! I thought I'd get this shit. 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:18.000 We've done the most talking about anyone else, and it's about but you know who, sir. 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.640 Um and I've got plenty to say about the other the other bugs as well. 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:28.240 You know, I uh I like them all, but um I I think all brotherhoods are really good things. 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:29.119 I think we need that. 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:35.279 I mean, you know, m um men cop a bit of hiding in the um in the in the press at the moment. 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:37.759 Some of those men deserve to cop that sort of behaviour. 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:50.000 I think um I to me these guys are sort of uh this is a theme that will come up, they're probably my tribe, they they think about others, they think about family the way I do. 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:55.039 Um and you just sort then you know you what a bullshit you say. 00:23:55.119 --> 00:24:01.519 If if there's if if there's nine dickheads in a room, you're probably the tenth, and and so I guess that goes the other way as well. 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.799 If there's if there's five good blokes around a campfire, you're the sixth. 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:14.720 So um but that's what that means to me, I th I think to uh uh you know, just to to to make sure that we are there for one another. 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:22.160 Um and I guess i like any good relationship,

um you you don't do it for what they can do for you, but what you can do for them. 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.119 And then you know, you just hope the reciprocity comes. 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:26.400 And it does. 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:36.960 Yeah, it's and just just back on the um probably more so the guy that's bought, you know, uh me and Stewart and uh the other guys, Damon, and all that. 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:37.920 Uh Jags. 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:38.960 I mean, I met him. 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:47.039 I might you might have been referring to a South Australian footy carnival or the second one they've just had, but I went to one in 2015. 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:52.240 Yeah, I the one I was referring to was uh must have been 2022 because we went on that first trip in 23. 00:24:52.319 --> 00:25:00.880 So but we've been towards um the uh spring 20 spring twenty-two, I I reckon I meant Jags. 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:08.559 Yeah, so back way back then I had a um uh I just lost lost pretty much everything, business and all that sort of thing. 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:25.920 Um had a massive uh cocaine addiction and my life was in turmoil, and I was actually came up with the Wit Sunday Bald Eagles to the they sent me to go to Adelaide, they paid for the trip and I was the Ruckman and Jags was the rover and it was pretty, pretty massive. 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:28.640 Other other guys I met there that's still mates for life. 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:32.079 But um Jags is sort of bloke, I'm a bit similar to you. 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:40.720 Uh I played footy with him one quarter um in the lead up matches, and I go, Fucking you will you will do me for a mate. 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.559 Yeah, you know if we he makes that decision pretty easy, I think. 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:50.319 You know, it's just not you know, and and you know, at our age we're not in the business of making new friends. 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:55.200 But I mean when a good one comes along, you grab it, eh? 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.279 Yeah, it's just it was sort of a bit of osmosis with that, you know. 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:14.960 I was I'm um and I guess we're lucky because yeah, but you I'd I'd sort of worked out that if this is one of Bolshe's mates and the interview process is probably pr pretty rigorous, so um you know um that's funny, isn't it? 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:21.680 It's just and you think so that's all I knew of Jags and I met Vicky that day um in in Hart Street in Adelaide. 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:36.640 And the next time I saw Jags is when uh we arrived for the first trip up in in in Darwin and I'd just had my um hip replaced, you know, go back to running 6,000 Ks in four years, training for marathons and other things. 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:43.519 I'd done a bit of damage, so I'd had my hip replaced, and I said, look, I'd I I'll I'll I'll drive the car, the support vehicle. 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:44.720 And I mean, yep, that'd be great. 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:54.160 So

we need one of those, and there's another, there's another builder bloke coming from from Queensland, so you um you know you you'll get along fine with him and he'll he'll be the uh the other driver. 00:26:54.240 --> 00:27:03.839 And then there was so there was the four or five bikes uh and the and the two guys in the car, but we got I I read the blokes from the from the Darwin airport and they said, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:04.880 I was the last one to arrive. 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:09.519 And they said, We've got a couple of issues we've got to sort out this morning, but we'll we'll we'll we'll come and pick you up. 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:10.400 I mean, okay. 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.000 I said, What car do I look out for? 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:20.880 And they said, uh 1989 low, low slung Toyota Hilux with a canopy on the back. 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:24.880 I'm thinking, what car am I driving across the Gibb River road? 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:39.599 And um, and we've they've turned up in this car, and it it was a Ute, but it had a canopy on the back, and uh Dag's was in the back under the canopy, and so that I had room to put my bag in the back, and everyone else was in the car. 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:41.440 No one decided just to stay behind. 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:55.920 We're just well, we were all gonna go meet Jack at at the airport, and I've got in this car and met P-Mac and Damo and um and um uh I I think Ben might have even been the car, the guide we had that with um uh the motorbike guide we had. 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:01.759 And so we all drove back to this place where the motorbikes were thinking that you know, this is gonna be great. 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:09.359 You know, anyway anyway guys that are just prepared to pile in the back of you and everyone comes down the airport to meet you, and it's um that was that was pretty good. 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.400 That's like that's like school kid days ship. 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:25.920 Well, it it is, and I you know, I I think that's a bit about this is there's you know when you are childish and you're a 17 or 18 year old, you're childish and you make some then follow it up with some pretty dumb decisions. 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:26.240 Yeah. 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:31.279 Um, you know, or some pretty sketchy decisions, or some, you know, some poor judgment. 00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:37.119 I think we've now got that ability where we can we can maintain that childish behaviour when we need to. 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.720 Um, but the poor decisions sets tend to have gone out the window. 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.440 We've I think the war stories have got to us all, you know. 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:49.440 And yeah, you look back um you know and listen to the other guys talk about motorbike stories. 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:56.640 Um, you know, I think if I'd ridden a motorbike through my 20s and 30s, you know, I probably would have done a bit more damage than just getting

a hip replaced. 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:06.160 So because you just don't make those good decisions and you get older and you just think I don't need I've got no one to prove anything to do any, which is probably why I thought, yeah, I'll let myself get back on a motorbike. 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:15.920 Um, because you know, um I I didn't want to hurt myself and I didn't want to um take myself out of the equation when you've got a you know lovely wife and two kids at home. 00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:20.720 So uh I'd sort of known, you know, uh I want to do this and I'm gonna do it up there on dirt roads. 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.519 I'm not doing it in in the Sydney CBD. 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.599 I'm on a comfortable bike, I understand. 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:29.200 So um it sort of became a uh a thing. 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:45.359 And you know, and once we got back from Darwin, I I I went straight onto Facebook Marketplace and found myself a a DR650, which is a weapon of choice for this group, and um and yeah, and then shipped it up to um wherever the next trip started from, which I think I shipped it up to P Mac's house. 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:50.880 Um and the and the funny thing was about it, um we're talking about motorbike stories. 00:29:51.119 --> 00:30:05.920 In all honesty, I'd ridden it four times around the block, and once was to go get um um fuel in it, um, and sort of get used to it and realise that bikes are big, bikes are powerful, there are cars everywhere, no one cares about you anymore. 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:09.759 And I thought it's all coming floating back, I've done the wrong thing, I've ticked the wrong box. 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:18.160 Um and anyway, I shipped the bike up to to to uh P Mac's house, and there it was sitting in his garage, and he's got a reasonably steep driveway. 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:28.880 I'm thinking, my first time I've ridden on the road, other than around the block of my house in Adelaide, and I'm about to go out and ride from where we were in Tweetheads, and we're going to Bathurst. 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.519 I thought I'm about to ride 1600 Ks on the road. 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.799 My digging my biggest day out on the road thing 20k. 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:41.759 Um so and I'm thinking I can't even um reach the ground here. 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:45.440 Uh I'm not very called. 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.799 Um and I thought I'm gonna fall off going to up the driveway. 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:56.640 Um and I got to the top of the driveway and go, well, challenge one uh Concord, let's your take on the world. 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:02.960 So I'll take this opportunity because uh you just led me into it. 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:14.079 You've already featured uh on the new app and there's a place called Open the Dunny Door and it's shit house it's shit house moments, and you know exactly where I'm heading here. 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:27.599 Um there is a a picture there that I do believe I've seen

that you've got your bike halfway up an embankment and you're standing up. 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:28.960 It was all the way up the embankment. 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:37.839 It was funny because that bike, that photo um went on to a Facebook page called Shit House Adventure Riders. 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:44.400 And and the first bloke you commented on just said, I don't know what you're doing, mate, but it looks like you're standing there having a beer with your bike. 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.160 Um look, I I go back to the bit, I'm not very tall. 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.519 Yeah, and when you're riding these bikes, they're big, they're they're pretty heavy. 00:31:51.599 --> 00:32:06.880 Uh you get on a a CR250 or a back in the day, used to have a YZ250 there, they're 110 kilos and they've got a fair bit of power, but they're they're pretty agile, um, and and really um quite softly sprung. 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:11.440 Um so you can you can lean into and get your feet on the ground and and and tip it in. 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:18.559 But these bikes are nearly 200 kilos, they don't have anywhere near the power of those old two-stroke bikes. 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.839 Um, so you've got to be really careful with the the torque and how you put it on. 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:30.640 We're going up this really windy road in Vic Bat count uh uh Vic High Country and it was just a hairpin, um, and it was a reasonably sharp on it. 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:41.359 Would you it would have taken me three or four shots to get a car around there, and I thought, oh well, and it had a little bit of slate and everything on it, and I just went round and it whiskey throttled and um it just shot out from between my legs. 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:43.920 I didn't even fall off, I just was standing there. 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.319 Like the bike, the bike was between my legs. 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.839 Next thing I know, I'm standing on my boots, and the bike's up a thing. 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:56.240 And and Mike came around the corner and and he just stood there, he took his head off. 00:32:56.319 --> 00:33:01.599 And and the only the way he could say, How the fuck have you managed to achieve this? 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.799 And it it took two blokes to get the bike off the cliff face, you know. 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.519 Lucky it didn't go down the cliff face, it went up a cliff face. 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:16.720 So it was sort of sitting, and you know, those that'll go to the app will see it sitting there on its back wheel with its front wheel just pointing skyward. 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.079 You know, it was amusing. 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.599 I've I've I've I've since bettered that a couple of times, I'm sure. 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:28.240 But um, yeah, that was that was a day out that day, and we'll we'll probably get that a bit later when we talk about these adventures. 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:37.920 But that was um that was uh a day I'll I I think when they talk about formation memories, I can remember every hour of that day from 7am till 9 pm. 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.079 It was it was something else. 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.440 You were talking about uh searching for bikes again. 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:49.839 I used to ride a DRZ 400, it was called King, it was called King of the Bush back then in the Otways. 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:56.640 Uh had a farm that the back gate went on to the Otways and Jellybream River and down the lawn and Apollo Bay. 00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:03.359 So I used to do a hell of a lot of riding with the kids, but I haven't hopped on a bike, oh maybe 40. 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:04.400 I gave them up. 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:18.239 I'm now 57 with bunged up kidneys, and last night I caught myself Googling two things because the bike of choice is your big DR's 650, 750s, I was checking out the price. 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:32.559 Yep, checking out the price then, and also secondly, um I've had a few uh home home coaches and that type uh buses and that type of thing, and I'm also Googling old Greyhound buses because I'm coming. 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:33.679 Mate, you're welcome. 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:45.440 And I'll get enough solar solar on top, I'll deck this bus out, I'll have 10 kilowatts or five kilowatts of solar that can run my dialysis machine, and even if I don't ride the bikes, I'll meet you in the next town. 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.920 Yeah, well, and the girls often do that, you know. 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:52.559 We say these these things start out as a boys' trip and they've ended up being a boys' trip where the girls come along. 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:54.400 Um which I think it's fantastic. 00:34:54.639 --> 00:35:38.400 I mean, I I it's the thing that probably made the me the happiest about all this when uh and it's a it's a thing that I think Bolshee Jags and uh I think all the guys are you know n none of them are um anything other than and than kind people and they they they don't want to you know they want to spend time with their wives and their families and I think they just see that this is you know a a part of our story that they wanted their their partners to be a part of and it really does make it better because let's be honest, they they get to the campground before we do, they've got the fire going, and um yeah I I've heard in one of your other things who's the best cook and they've I think they're all leaving out Rachel Bolch, Mike's wife, she's a girl can cook. 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:46.480 Um I'm not casting aspersions on anyone else's ability, but yeah, um when when she's um got her head over the barbecue, you're in for a treat. 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.400 And I think these days we behave the same way around our partners. 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:56.000 Back in the day we were itching the way to get away as boys and do what boys do. 00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:07.199 I I I I'm around our age now, I think our our wives have forgiven us

all of our uh idiosyncrasies and and there's n you know the the there's no no need to maintain the mystery anymore. 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.079 They all of that's gone, but that's a really good thing. 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:16.079 I think, you know, you've um you you want them there, they're they're gonna see your mistakes and all those other things. 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.639 So um yeah, I I I really enjoy having them along. 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:42.880 Um I don't think they enjoy every single part of the uh the the navigation experience, um, but I think they enjoy the the girls' time in the car in the same way that we enjoy the boys' time and and I think the boys have talked about having these cartoons on their helmets, uh which is the sort of the uh Bluetooth meshing system, means we can talk to one another and um you know what goes in the helmet stays in the helmet's pretty good fun. 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:54.400 Yeah, hey, just before I go on to more of the um Oswide side of things and and what they're achieving and all that, I just want to uh whiz it whiz it back for something we talked about before we started recording. 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.760 And you know I I'm I'm massive into mental health. 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:04.000 Um you know I was I was uh indispensable in my pack, you know. 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.920 I I was I could take any knock or anything like that. 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:15.920 And in the end I was feeling a bit crooked, lost a bit of weight, and my kidneys were at 3% because I didn't go to the doctor for 15 or 20 years. 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:24.480 Um I'd say my my grandfather used to say that it's amazing men aren't extinct. 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:26.079 Um Absolute. 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.880 And we are like we're not the brightest sparks, are we? 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:30.159 I uh no not at all. 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:39.920 No, I led concrete gangs and had my own concrete gangs for 25 years, and you know the uh lifestyle of those boys that got being in the big Yeah, I bet your backs I bet your backs and we'd we're glad you stopped. 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:40.880 Oh well it was sports. 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:41.760 It's a tough gig. 00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:43.679 You'll you'll have long hamstrings, I can tell you that. 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:45.119 Yeah, it was four four a.m. 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.639 in the mornings to one o'clock, um to the pub, rinse and repeat. 00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:49.280 You know what I mean? 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:50.320 That's that's what we did. 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:52.239 Didn't drink a a bottle of water. 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:56.559 But uh like P Mac, he's uh he's suffering a bit like me. 00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:03.039 And uh just with with your, we were talking about you got early intervention, I suppose you call it. 00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:08.079 But give us a bit of a rundown of how important it is to uh go and see your doc. 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:26.320 I look I i I'm really lucky, I tell you, around uh I am I say uh you it's a throwaway line, I'm lucky, I'm lucky, I'm lucky, but um I I have a wife who is on my case all the time about you know, every time I'd I'd I'd have a sniffle, well you should go see the doc about that. 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.519 And so and eventually you just go, I'll just I'll just go. 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:37.760 And and I had a uh I've had a number of docs over the years and they they sort of treated the problem that walked through the door. 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:50.559 Um and then I'd got a uh doctor by the name of Kirsten who was probably in her late 20s, um, down at our local surgery, and she sort of started asking questions, you know, how old are you? 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:51.119 What do you do? 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:52.000 What's your activity? 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.760 Well, you know, but and I thought, well, why was she asking this sort of stuff? 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.480 And she said, I'm gonna send you off for a barrage of tests. 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.880 You know, you're 50 now, and this is what's gonna happen. 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:17.280 Um and look reasonably long story short, by the end of it, I had I'd I'd f I have a cardiologist now, I have a urologist, I have a um the specialist physio, I have a an um orthopaedic surgeon, I've had a couple of those. 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.280 Um, and all because she bothered to say, you know, let's go and check things out. 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:32.000 And I had some high cholesterol, which um had meant I had a um a restriction in my right coronary artery, which they've managed with medication and other things to stop from getting any worse. 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:42.079 And then I've obviously went to the urologist and they did some PSA tests, and they said, you know, uh, you know, one is good, three is monitor, you're at five. 00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:46.000 Um, whatever whatever the PSA number is measured, you know. 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.400 And they went, Oh, wouldn't so they monitored that for a couple of years and I just sat around five. 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:54.559 And I went back one day and he actually ran me and said, You need to come in, your last test has come in. 00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:02.559 And it's a I uh without exaggeration, I think he said it was at nine or sixteen, it was something where I went, Oh fuck, that doesn't sound good yet. 00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:06.239 That's a bigger number than the previous number I've and by some considerable margin. 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:07.519 So we went and had a chat about it. 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:15.360 He said, Let's do another test just to make sure and we'll I did that and it came back with a a a s a similar high number but slightly less. 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.920 But he said, Oh look, I I want to do a biopsy on this just to just to make sure. 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:21.679 And um I said, Yeah, okay. 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:39.679 So we went

and did the biopsy and um and it came back and uh and the way it came back was I got a letter from the from the Gribbles or whoever does the biopsy and and just the first line of the letter is thank you for you know submitting your biopsy to to Gribbles, you have cancer. 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.679 Um and I and you learn to read pretty quickly because you want to get through the rest of this letter. 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:47.440 What the hell's going on here? 00:40:47.599 --> 00:41:03.360 And it I you get that faint feeling the butterflies are you sort of you if we're being honest, your eyes will up a bit and um you think, what the what the and you know, my my kids were sitting at the other end of the dining room table, just kind of um having a chat with me when I opened this. 00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:17.760 And I read through it, and I I I sort of had enough sense to read it properly and and realise that um for want a better term, uh I have the one that most men um find out about about uh reasonably early, which is called a three plus three. 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:26.559 Um so they say a four plus three or a three plus four, anything adding up a seven is not good, and anything adding up a six, and so I couldn't wait to get on the phone with the doctor. 00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:27.280 I said, What does this mean? 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:29.280 He said, Look, just come in and see me. 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.920 It's not all, you know, it's it's it's not terrible news. 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:34.960 I went, oh that's good. 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:46.159 So I felt a lot better about it, but it everything changed from the I can still remember where I was just sitting there and just everything, your brain just clips over and goes, not important, not important, not important. 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.840 That's now important, that's now important, this is important, that's not important. 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.559 And you start to just prioritise things pretty quickly. 00:41:52.800 --> 00:42:00.159 And turns out I didn't really have a need to, other than you know, I'm now on a uh I'm being monitored every six months just to make sure it doesn't flare up, and if it does, they can get it early. 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.559 So I'll be touch wood, you know. 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:12.960 You sort of I'm very thankful for my uh doctor sending me there and um yeah, for for the price of uh any whatever it is to go and see a doctor, just go and do it. 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.960 Even if like they're a commercial entity, they want your money. 00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.800 Um they're not gonna be pissed off if there's nothing wrong with you, just go and see them. 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:21.760 That's all I can say. 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.679 Are we getting better at it? 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:24.719 I hope so. 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:25.599 I really do. 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.320 Um, you know, you you're in the construction, you were in the construction industry, I still am. 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:31.119 P Mac is. 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:37.360 We have a thing down here in Adelaide, uh, it might be nationwide, I should know better, but um, it's called Mates in Construction. 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:37.840 Yeah. 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:42.960 Um, and it's just, you know, it's that how you're going and just looking out for one another. 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.960 It's an industry that's um uh uh terrible at looking after ourselves. 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:57.920 Like you said, you know, back in your day as a concreter, you'd do that, you wouldn't drink any water because you didn't have time to, and your boss is on your back and just get the get it down, get the screed done, get it vibrated in, do all what you had to do. 00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:03.199 Um then um then you'd um head off down to the pub because you you did. 00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:06.159 You knocked off at one o'clock because uh you know it was all set then. 00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:09.360 Um, and and you drank beers and things like that. 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.199 And you go out on construction sites now, they're they're really different things. 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.239 Um those kids have they're hydrated. 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:30.719 Um uh concreting is actually recognised as you know, we've started apprenticeships down here in Adelaide and concreting because it's really important to to recognise that this is this is not just uh a labouring job, you know, this is the structure of the building. 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:34.000 This is taking the compression and the tensile strength of this building. 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.800 You need to know what you're doing and you need to be professional. 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:42.320 So um that's what one good part of where that part of the industry's gone. 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:52.480 But the the the makes and construction thing that um with I mentioned it because it was started by a concretor here in Adelaide and the um uh and it does a fabulous job. 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:59.760 We have those barbecues on site once a month and and and people just genuinely ask each other how you're going and you you're watching out for one another. 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:01.760 And then you do send them off. 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:03.119 Go and get some help, mate. 00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:14.719 Um we we put a phone number at the bottom of everyone's pay slip here that just says, you know, if you're not if you're not feeling it, and just uh ring this number and and we as a as an employer will pay for it. 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:16.880 You know, you don't need to worry about what this is going to cost. 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:22.400 If if if you're struggling with anything mentally or physically, just just make this call. 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.159 So hopefully that gets out there. 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.840 I mean, when we haven't solved the problem yet, but we're moving forward. 00:44:28.239 -->

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00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:55.920 I think it makes them free makes them feel better. 00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.039 Stewie is Stewie uh ha hasn't said much. 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:03.360 The um the filmmaker, uh great, great guy's legend of a bloke. 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.400 Um he's had yeah, I haven't met Sue, but he's a thing. 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:14.719 I saw the um the the promo thing um which is now being taken down, I understand, but I wish I could watch it again and it just it it looked good. 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:15.599 Oh, it's a good thing. 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:22.400 I think it goes back to that bit we said earlier where you know you're gonna get some pretty honest things out there because those guys aren't there with a script and they don't care. 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.800 Oh, it's some of the somewhere to make money out of it or to to get ratings or anything like that. 00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:32.719 They're just gonna just tell you how it is, and if you're into that sort of honesty, that brutal honesty, it's probably where it's gonna sin. 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:42.239 Some of some of those little clips I've seen uh in advance uh I was rolling around with all my cords tangling on me, dialysis machine one night, mate. 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:44.559 It was fucking hilarious. 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:48.239 Anyway, that's that's getting to know Jack a little bit, mate. 00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:52.639 And we'll I'm gonna we're gonna this podcast series is gonna keep going and going and going. 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:59.840 So this one's uh it's it's a great chat, but I'm gonna head straight into my quick fire questions. 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.159 Um quick fire questions, yeah, okay. 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:07.199 That's a little about that's a little bit about uh Oswald and your experience there. 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:08.800 Um we've got to know ya. 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:16.400 So I do I do these quick fire

questions, then we'll go back on to a little bit more stuff about you and wind this episode up. 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:23.920 But um mate, as all the guys relaxed and uh got going on this, that they all want to do it again, which is fantastic. 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.000 They'll do it on trips, they'll do it everywhere. 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:29.039 But uh who's the funniest bloke around the fire? 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.920 Uh Bolshe, because he's always laughing at his own jokes. 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:41.840 So I mean, I don't know if that makes him funny, but he's um yeah, he's I I I mean I enjoy all that company, but yeah, he's he's always laughing the loudest. 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.440 Who's the biggest bullshit artist? 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:46.960 Probably me. 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:47.920 Who's snores? 00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:49.840 Who's snug? 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:55.599 I I I don't mind telling a story and adding a little bit of GST to it, I think. 00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.480 So we're we're all a bit like that as we get on, aren't we? 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:01.440 Yeah, yeah, that's the older I get, the better I was. 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:03.679 Who snores the loudest? 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:11.360 Uh I reckon we could all snore for Australia, and I've shared a a tent or a uh caravan or a hotel room with all of them. 00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:16.159 Um and there's a fair bit of getting up in the middle of the night and just nudging the other one over onto his side. 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:19.039 So uh I I actually reckon that's Samo. 00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:27.280 If you're asking who he's the loudest, um he's got a proper s I reckon he could wake himself up if he doesn't inhale the pillow, that is. 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:31.679 He's he's uh he's uh it might be a little fellow, but he's got a set of lungs on him. 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.360 Who's the first bloke to crack a beer at the end of the day or morning? 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:43.840 Uh it's it it's a really interesting question because we it's beers, bullshit, and bonfires and all that sort of stuff. 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.039 It's funny, Jags doesn't drink a lot of beer. 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.920 Um P Mac or they they they like the ginger beer, those boys. 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.679 Um the first one to crack a real beer, probably Bolshe and I. 00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.199 Yeah, the boys will have that that cordial water that they have. 00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:06.320 Um and you know, try and be as manly as they can while drinking it out of an orange can that looks like Fanta. 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:13.280 Um Yeah, I th I I I think that's yeah, it'd be Bolshe and I will crack the first proper beers. 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:23.840 Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty like um Damo's already got a straw into a bottle of red wine, so you know that I think that's uh Yeah, I mean he sometimes you can't take Jags that seriously. 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.639 I mean he comes

across as this very tough hard nut. 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.280 He drinks fucking ginger beer, but anyway. 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:30.480 Yeah. 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.239 We've all got our we've all all got our mountains to climb, haven't we? 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:34.960 We have. 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:42.800 Um you mentioned the uh the female camp uh chefs, but what about and the male boys when the girls aren't there? 00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:43.920 I reckon Jags. 00:51:44.079 --> 00:52:11.760 Jags is pretty good over um, you know he and you know in the sense that Jags seems like he doesn't really care about anything, he'll he'll cut up the onions, cut up the potatoes really quickly, get them on there, just keep turning them until they're all cooked, and there's um and um and but then he's very particular, being a butcher at heart, he's very particular about he how he cooks his meat and everyone else's so he likes his well done. 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:22.000 Um and and he'll always ask how everyone else wants this, and yeah I they they I can't do it the way he does, so I'm just I'm gonna nominate Jags for the the best cam cook. 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:24.320 Hopeless with directions. 00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:26.559 Me. 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.199 I uh because I don't care where we're going. 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:29.760 I really don't. 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:46.159 I just like I I there were they all sit there at an intersection and uh they'll all be looking at this and they'll be shading their um their GPSs and someone's got an old-fashioned paper map out and they're trying to identify what the road is off to our right, and I'll be sitting there looking at the cook bar in the tree. 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:47.199 I don't care. 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:50.719 Um and if you were they were following me, we'd still be out there, I reckon. 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.400 I'm I'm it's not that I'm bad with directions, I just don't care. 00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:57.519 Yeah, look, I was similar with my young bloke in the Otways. 00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.800 We well, we didn't have any GPS back then, I don't think. 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:23.679 Maybe, maybe not, but we were driving the Otways isn't that big, but and all fire tracks, and you go down one and you could be lost out there for four or five hours, and then all of a sudden you you you found yourself out there, so that's yeah, and all of a sudden you take the right turn after going down that same intersection, but they all look the same, and you end up coming out near the cars. 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:25.280 So I'm I'm a bit with you there. 00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:26.719 Who gives a shit? 00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:33.119 We have turned up with people's driveways before, and they've got front of your boys heading the wrong way, and it's like, oh well, what do you do? 00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:34.960 Just turn around and go back the other way, I guess. 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.719 So you and you're saying you've only been on one Jack or two? 00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.039 No, no, I went I've done three now. 00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:42.320 Three or four now. 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.480 I did the one that my obviously I did the one in the car, and that's where I met P Mac. 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:54.079 He was the other driver, and we sat in that car, and within two minutes I realised this is this bloke's my tribe, he's a builder and he buried the Hawthorne. 00:53:54.480 --> 00:54:06.719 Um, he's got a couple of kids, and um yeah, he we just spent the next oh we were in that car for 17, 18 days, I think, um, getting across from Darwin to to um to Broome. 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:16.480 Um and yeah, that that's where I I met P-Mack and then I went on the one from uh from P Mac's house down to Bathurst and we watched the the race. 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.079 We got oh 12 race. 00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:19.360 So that was fantastic. 00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:29.920 We met Coley, we stayed with Coley, sort of the the last member to join the tribe and um uh and his lovely wife Julie and stayed with them. 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:44.639 They were fantastic hosts, and you know, no longer we left their place on the next trip going from there down to Vic High Country than then Coley's uh sent us a text message with a picture of his new DR650, so um there didn't take much convincing. 00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:51.199 Um so went on that one, then um we ended up at uh Aubrey Wadonga, left the bikes there. 00:54:51.360 --> 00:55:15.840 I went and collected the bikes on the back of the Ute and bought them all back to Adelaide, and we did a big Flinders Rangers one, and we've just done that one um from Adelaide up to Robe and then out to the uh the Grampians and sort of was meant to finish in Mil Jura, but somehow the bikes are all still back here in my place, so uh uh in my construction shed here. 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:20.000 Um where we get to there. 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:24.880 Uh what's so what's what's been your favourite ride out of those three? 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:27.360 I I think Vic High Country. 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:32.000 Uh I really enjoyed the last one because on sand I was actually quite good. 00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:34.719 And I'm I'm probably not the best rider. 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:43.119 I'm probably the the other at the other end of the ladder when it comes to being a good rider, but um on the sand I sort of I grew up on sand around Kybu Bowight. 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.679 Um so I knew how to ride a bike on sand. 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:47.199 Um so I really enjoyed that one. 00:55:47.280 --> 00:56:10.960 But I think Vic High Country for me is the bit I this sounds a bit corny, but it's the one where you find out a little bit about yourself um and what you're capable of, what what you um what you're afraid of and uh and those sorts of things because it was it took us we went from Dargo to Buller in one day, which is 190 K's, it took us uh nine, nine

and a half hours, I think. 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:12.639 Was it nine and a half hours or was it thirteen hours? 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:14.719 I can't remember what it was, it was a bloody long time anyway. 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:16.480 Uh I reckon it was 13 hours. 00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:17.119 There you go. 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:19.679 It was nine hours with GST. 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:21.360 Um I've been I've been bellish. 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:34.159 Um and our wives were already in Buller, they'd gone the long way around on the bitumen, um, and they were watching us on you know the Life 360 apps, and we're only getting a bit of reception every now and then, so they could tell we were moving. 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:40.079 They were worried about us, it was dark, one of the bikes had um had uh lost its jags. 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:45.840 Jags had uh um blown a headlight, so he had to ride right next to us. 00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:48.960 Um it was it was a really hectic day out. 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:59.440 We were only halfway through it by two o'clock in the afternoon, and we were stuck on the hillside, and um um and luckily Bolsheach was coming uh from a slightly different direction and he got to the top. 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:10.800 He's he is actually uh credit where credit's Drew Due, uh probably one of the better riders you'd you'd want to have with you, and he managed to get all our bikes to the top of the hill and went on and uh was it we broke a lot. 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:17.280 I I know I fell off 16 times that day, including the one where I went up this by the clip, but the bike just kept slipping out from underneath you. 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:26.239 You're on that um very sandy, rocky, slatey stuff, and um and a lot of wash aways, the the front wheeler gets bogged in it and just tip you over the side. 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:33.039 So yeah, I got to the end of that, and um you sort of say, Well, I'm not I'm no longer an entry-level rider. 00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.000 I think I can at least tick the intermediate box. 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:48.159 So that was the one where I probably didn't like it as much at the time, but I look back now if it's a it's a formation memory and it's a bit that sort of you know changes a little bit about who you who you are and what you know you're capable of. 00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:53.119 Yeah, and uh no knowing you had a good crew there, if you did get in any trouble, you had a lot of stuff. 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.599 Oh, we got in plenty of trouble, and we had you did have the good crew. 00:57:55.679 --> 00:58:04.000 You know, the bikes um yeah, you didn't perform great all day, and um and we had people just fixing them and going along and we're dropping fuel lines and stuff. 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:16.480 So um we we stuck together and there was lots of talk and lots of sort of care for each other's welfare because it you know you don't want anyone getting hurt on those things and and having to

be um taken out by helicopter or anything like that. 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:28.239 So you you know it was it was one where a a bit of a childish act in the sense of where we chose to go, but then you know you were lucky you're we were the age we were where we made good decisions for the rest of the day. 00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.320 What keeps you grounded? 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:35.199 Uh I I've got I've got a hundred staff. 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.440 That's pretty grounding. 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:44.400 So uh and they you know, and they're not all working for your dream, they've got their own dreams as well, I guess. 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:56.559 So I think um that's that that keeps me pretty grounded, making sure that those guys have got somewhere to go every morning and um and that they're working for a good business and that they've got some security about what they're doing. 00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.679 So that's uh you you can't ever get too flippant about that. 00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:01.760 You got you I'm responsible for a lot of people. 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:11.599 With my brother who I run this business with, he's uh probably even more responsible than I am, but um he's yeah, we I think we do a pretty good job at uh keeping each other grounded as well. 00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:13.840 When are you at your happiest mate? 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:17.840 Around people, I think. 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.440 I look it's probably a two I'm I'm really happy with people. 00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:23.039 I mean, people say where are you happy? 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.159 And you it's I don't I don't think it matters where you are. 00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:30.400 I mean, if you're around the people you want to be around, there that that makes me happy. 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:36.559 I've um and on the the flip side of that I I've done a bit of travelling in my life where I'm just by myself. 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:47.039 I'll just I'm doing a bit later on next in September where I'm going through Germany by myself and and I I just I don't know I I enjoy my own silence. 00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:51.280 It's the first time when I'm if I'm not around other people, I don't have to listen to myself all the time. 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:57.840 So it's uh I mean and it's some good thinking time, but I think the real answer is w when I'm with people. 00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:00.960 Uh one word answers. 01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:02.159 We're nearly there, mate. 01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:03.280 Doing a great app. 01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:04.719 Uh best camping spot. 01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:06.320 You you you did say rapid fire. 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.119 I've slowed this down quite considerably, I think. 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.880 Oh no, no, I got the segments mixed up. 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:15.760 Uh Bed Camping Spot. 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:17.920 Um can't remember the name of it. 01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:26.559 It was somewhere out in the um the New England country

of New South Wales, and all the girls were there, and we had a whole paddock to ourselves, and it was just a good night. 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:27.840 Best beer. 01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:29.840 Uh whiskey. 01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:31.920 Snake or snags. 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:32.639 Snake. 01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:33.840 Favourite bike. 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:38.559 One place every Australian should visit. 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:40.079 Bungle bungles. 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:41.360 Dream ride. 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.400 Uh I haven't done Cape York. 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:45.360 I really want to do that. 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:47.039 Swag or caravan. 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:48.159 Swag. 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:50.400 Sunrise or sunset. 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:52.400 I'm a builder, mate, sunrise. 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.719 Favourite song around the fire. 01:00:55.280 --> 01:01:06.159 Uh probably I like Wild Horses by Rolling Stones because it's uh I don't know, just got a good swagger about it, and it's just one of those songs that um I never get tired of. 01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:10.559 I run another podcast which has uh kicked off when I was in the hospital bed. 01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:11.840 It's called Who Is Your Hero? 01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:18.159 So I've decided you're the inaugural um uh podcast that's going to answer this question. 01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:22.719 So at the end of every show I ask who is your hero and why? 01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:26.480 Uh I it's pretty easy that one. 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:30.559 It's probably not a person, it's just anyone I can genuinely rely on. 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:36.719 Um, you know, because that's if if someone's your hero, you need them to be heroic for you. 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:43.679 Um it's not m heroic about their acts or what they're doing for themselves, it's w you know what they're doing for you. 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.840 So I guess, yeah, to me it's just anyone I can genuinely rely on. 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:49.920 And I'm mate, I'm I'm pissed lucky. 01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.920 I've got a lot of good mates that um, you know, they talk about your hard five. 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.480 I'd I'd I'd struggle to cut the list down to that. 01:01:56.559 --> 01:02:05.599 I think I've I've probably got a good dozen mates that I could call at any time of any day and say, this is what's going on, you know, and that'll say, right, we're we're not far away. 01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:07.519 Um we'll we'll be there. 01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:11.840 So but those guys, I guess I guess the answer to that thing is those twelve blokes. 01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:15.760 Hey Wes and Jack, that's been a great talk, mate. 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.880 Um yeah, we'll we'll do this again as as uh Oswide grows. 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:22.719 Just one they're all my stories, mate. 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.440 I don't know any more, so you know I'll have to make some other ones up. 01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:28.960 Oh well you can

do the Bolshe does it, they all do it well, so it doesn't matter. 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:30.320 I won't because I won't do it. 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.360 I'll I've got plenty of stories about Bolshea before all of this uh Oswald's palava got going. 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:40.639 So uh he's um it it's the he's the centrepiece of many funnier thing. 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:45.360 Uh so uh I got one last question though, and we're gonna end on this note. 01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:56.639 When it's all said and done and whatever your uh the um the great man upstairs calls you, what would you like to leave this world? 01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:01.760 Like what would you like these people, your mate, your family to say about Jack Cannon? 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:05.440 Uh uh reliable. 01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:13.440 Yeah, we'll go back to I you know if that if if if the for them being heroic to me was them yeah, someone you can rely on. 01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:14.639 I guess it's the other way around. 01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:17.280 You you want them to know that you've been reliable as well. 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:32.079 And I think that's all you can be, really, is uh you you might not be an expert in everything, but as long as you're reliable, um and I loved it when uh just before we go out, when Jake's and I was doing this sort of brand story about I was finally saying, what what are we gonna do? 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:32.960 Are you a tour company? 01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:34.000 Then he guessed nut. 01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.920 We just average blokes, very average at everything. 01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:47.440 And uh Yeah, I I I think if we renamed this podcast one day, it might be ability versus ambition and and not no, those those two things are never aligned, I can tell you. 01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:51.199 So um, which is you know, it's probably why we have to wear helmets. 01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:52.719 Look, I really enjoyed the chat. 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:54.639 Lovely to e meet you, I guess it is. 01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:56.800 I'm looking forward to uh to meeting you in person. 01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:59.199 Enjoy the sunshine up in Cairns. 01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:06.639 And what one thing I just before I go off here, I really enjoyed that um the chat about the Victorian high country. 01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:20.000 And just just for the fact there's a lot of people in doom and gloom sitting on their ass around Australia at the moment that that uh have so much potential still left in them and and the journey's not over for anyone. 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:23.119 Yeah, buy a car, pick a direction and go. 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:27.519 Then have a VR or anything like that, just grab a couple of mates and just just ahead. 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:32.559 But you guys that you guys are still testing yourselves after all these years. 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:33.440 I love it, mate. 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:39.760 I think what stood out the most today wasn't the bikes, the tracks, or the kilometers travelled. 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:44.000 It was a reminder that life doesn't slow down just because you get older. 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:50.639 In fact, sometimes the best chapters are the ones you never plan. 01:04:50.960 --> 01:05:01.760 Whether it's riding through the Victorian High Country, getting lost somewhere between Darwin and Broome, sitting around a campfire with your mates, or simply having something to look forward to. 01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:04.320 That's what this brotherhood is all about. 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.679 Jack said something today that really stuck with me. 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:10.079 Enjoy the passage of time. 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.400 That's a pretty powerful way to live. 01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:19.199 Life isn't measured by how much money you make, it's measured by the memories you create. 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:29.119 The mates you surround yourself with, the adventures you say yes to, and by being the sort of person people know they can rely on. 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:34.320 If today's conversation has inspired you, don't wait for some day. 01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:43.039 Call your mates, plan the trip, buy the bike or the caravan, or just jump in the U and head somewhere you've never been before. 01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:47.199 Because the best stories are the ones you live. 01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:55.840 If you've enjoyed this episode, make sure you subscribe, leave us a review, and share it with someone who loves a bit of adventure in their life. 01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:10.239 Follow Odeswide Adventures as we continue travelling this incredible country, sharing unforgettable stories, introducing remarkable people, and building one of Australia's greatest adventure community. 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:15.280 This podcast is proudly produced by Who Is Your Heroes TDO. 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:23.760 Remember, real adventures aren't measured in kilometres, they're measured in the memories you and the mates you make them with. 01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:32.239 Until next time, keep the fire burning, keep the wheels turn, and we'll see you out on the tracks. 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:33.760 True Blue. 01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:35.760 Good good chat, good chat. 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:37.119 Cheers, bro, thank you. 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:37.840 Cheers. 01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:42.320 Is it Mom and Dad? 01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:46.559 Is it a cockatoo? 01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:52.159 Is it standing by your night? 01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:59.519 When she's in a fight, oh just better. 01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:20.480 I'm asking you to make you say