บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Scene Missing: The Making and Legacy of Gargoyles (1972)

Balloon listeners, patreon.com slash wordballoon. Thanks for listening, 68 00:03:57.180 --> 00:03:58.900 and thanks as always for your support. 69 00:03:59.340 --> 00:04:06.379 Gargoyles. They're coming for you. Where's my draw? What happened 70 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:07.139 to my draw? 71 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:11.400 I mean, talk about a scene missing. 72 00:04:11.780 --> 00:04:18.339 Yeah. Finally, this show lives up to its name. John? 73 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.519 Oh, shame on me. I thought you guys could hear 74 00:04:24.540 --> 00:04:29.769 me that whole time. I'm going to have to, I'll leave, 75 00:04:29.810 --> 00:04:31.490 but let me introduce everybody in the meantime. 76 00:04:31.870 --> 00:04:34.050 Can we take the image off? 77 00:04:34.069 --> 00:04:37.949 Yeah, you see, that's the problem, Gabe. So you see, 78 00:04:38.329 --> 00:04:40.589 I'm already on top of it. So what I would 79 00:04:41.129 --> 00:04:44.810 ask is, please, it's okay. Be patient. For everyone on, 80 00:04:44.850 --> 00:04:47.329 you can see that the movie of discussion tonight is 81 00:04:47.550 --> 00:04:50.740 the film Gargoyles. an interesting TV movie, and you can 82 00:04:50.779 --> 00:04:52.980 hear them right now, but as soon as I can 83 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:55.740 figure out and fix this, soon you will be seeing 84 00:04:56.060 --> 00:04:56.720 the visages. 85 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:58.819 If you will. I think that's the proper word. 86 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:02.470 Gabriel Hardman, Alison Baker, Ian Brill, Jeff Parker, and myself. 87 00:05:02.949 --> 00:05:06.350 So talk amongst yourselves, and I will return, and when 88 00:05:06.389 --> 00:05:10.889 you see us all, then you'll know everything is fine. Please, Gabe, 89 00:05:11.129 --> 00:05:13.069 take it away. Tell us about Gargoyles. 90 00:05:13.670 --> 00:05:14.050 Okay. 91 00:05:14.069 --> 00:05:19.300 So Gargoyles, you know, Gargoyles is this, uh, 1972 TV 92 00:05:19.339 --> 00:05:21.939 movie that is, I mean, I don't know. I think every, 93 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:25.100 you know, a couple of the people on this, uh, 94 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.899 actually saw it when they were younger. I didn't, it's 95 00:05:27.939 --> 00:05:30.449 one of those that I kind of heard of as, uh, 96 00:05:30.610 --> 00:05:34.810 you know, uh, like a better kind of interesting, uh, 97 00:05:34.850 --> 00:05:39.569 TV movie. Um, but I didn't see it, uh, until 98 00:05:39.709 --> 00:05:42.850 I was an adult, but it sure seems like everybody 99 00:05:42.889 --> 00:05:44.709 who's a little bit older than me and saw it 100 00:05:44.730 --> 00:05:49.129 when they were younger, uh, was, was really impacted by it. Uh, 101 00:05:49.300 --> 00:05:50.660 Jeff Parker, are you here? 102 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.019 Yeah. I did see it as a kid. 103 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:54.560 Yeah. 104 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:55.379 Here we are. 105 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:55.899 Great. 106 00:05:55.939 --> 00:05:56.540 Hey. 107 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:57.620 Yay. 108 00:05:57.819 --> 00:06:00.480 Actually, I was liking the radio thing. That was fun. 109 00:06:01.579 --> 00:06:02.790 The golden age of radio. 110 00:06:02.810 --> 00:06:08.060 Yeah. I associate it with, uh, Well, you know, I 111 00:06:08.339 --> 00:06:10.699 was a little kid. I was like six. 112 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.759 So I can't help but associate it with my parents' 113 00:06:15.819 --> 00:06:20.370 divorce because it was the 70s. And my dad was 114 00:06:20.430 --> 00:06:21.930 staying at some little motel. 115 00:06:22.970 --> 00:06:24.009 So I went to stay with him. 116 00:06:24.569 --> 00:06:27.290 Because apparently back then you could just rent out a 117 00:06:27.350 --> 00:06:31.139 motel for weeks until you found a place or something. 118 00:06:31.899 --> 00:06:34.720 And there was a little black and white TV in 119 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.759 the room, and he left me in there. and gargoyles 120 00:06:37.819 --> 00:06:42.579 came on and I don't know how to, we, you know, 121 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:45.790 we often talk on the, on this about how, uh, 122 00:06:46.670 --> 00:06:49.769 things were, were made assuming you were going to be 123 00:06:49.829 --> 00:06:54.350 watching through a cathode ray tube. And there was no 124 00:06:54.389 --> 00:06:57.290 such thing as high definition or 4k or anything like 125 00:06:57.329 --> 00:07:00.290 that at the time you're going to be watching as 126 00:07:00.310 --> 00:07:03.730 God intended, 24 frames a second. And, uh, in a 127 00:07:03.790 --> 00:07:04.420 curve to 29.9. 128 00:07:04.410 --> 00:07:04.629 Yeah. Sorry. 129 00:07:04.709 --> 00:07:11.550 And, And then even better, even better on. 130 00:07:11.430 --> 00:07:14.959 A black and white TV, which to me just made 131 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:20.199 it scarier. Uh, and you know, the, the beginning comes 132 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:24.100 on and starts talking about since mankind has existed, demons 133 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.670 have been reported and it shows the drawings and already 134 00:07:28.730 --> 00:07:31.790 I'm terrified, you know, I'm six and I'm kind of 135 00:07:31.829 --> 00:07:34.430 hiding behind the bed, but watching it ready to duck 136 00:07:35.129 --> 00:07:35.810 and everything. 137 00:07:35.889 --> 00:07:37.769 And, Yeah, and. 138 00:07:37.709 --> 00:07:41.269 Then the things you can say about the movie that 139 00:07:41.310 --> 00:07:44.060 are very good for a monster movie is that they 140 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.360 don't piss around a lot. They get to the monsters 141 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.060 pretty fast for. 142 00:07:49.620 --> 00:07:50.120 One of these. 143 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:53.160 In other movies, you have to wait, like, until the 144 00:07:53.180 --> 00:07:55.250 last 20 minutes for anything starts happening. 145 00:07:55.569 --> 00:07:55.790 Yeah. 146 00:07:56.509 --> 00:08:00.420 You get a gargoyle flapping over pretty fast, and... pretty 147

00:08:00.459 --> 00:08:03.990 soon you see a skeleton and uncle Willie shack and everything. 148 00:08:04.050 --> 00:08:06.009 And then bam, you're off to the races and they're 149 00:08:06.029 --> 00:08:09.629 talking to you. Um, man, I was just like, demons 150 00:08:09.689 --> 00:08:10.129 are real. 151 00:08:10.529 --> 00:08:10.829 What? 152 00:08:11.230 --> 00:08:13.029 And, uh, you know, so it stuck with me. 153 00:08:13.310 --> 00:08:16.870 I guess they're, they are demons in this. They say 154 00:08:16.889 --> 00:08:17.709 they are at the beginning. 155 00:08:17.860 --> 00:08:18.060 Right. 156 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:18.439 Yeah. 157 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.500 Uh, the, uh, the cosmology of gargoyles is both interesting 158 00:08:22.579 --> 00:08:26.560 and confusing. Uh, but, uh, the, um, but, but it 159 00:08:26.620 --> 00:08:28.779 is more interesting than a lot of these things. I mean, 160 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.350 like it's, It's it's weirder. 161 00:08:31.449 --> 00:08:32.620 They talk. 162 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.820 They like they have they're somehow both newborn, but have 163 00:08:36.899 --> 00:08:41.179 sort of a philosophy, you know, like they read books. 164 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:42.120 They. 165 00:08:42.580 --> 00:08:46.539 Yes. Books. I was a little confused on that. I 166 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:47.159 feel like. 167 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:51.070 But but maybe we should we should kind of, you know, 168 00:08:51.110 --> 00:08:53.850 do a little bit of a recap here of what 169 00:08:54.169 --> 00:08:57.149 or just set up more what this thing is about. 170 00:08:57.169 --> 00:08:57.549 Yeah. 171 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:02.240 Well, also, first of all, this period of television movies 172 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:06.779 of the 70s is unparalleled. And maybe because I was 173 00:09:06.899 --> 00:09:08.860 under 10 years old when I was watching most of 174 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:13.159 this stuff, that might contribute to my fright of movies 175 00:09:13.220 --> 00:09:15.279 like Gargoyles. I thought for sure it was a movie 176 00:09:15.299 --> 00:09:17.840 of the week on ABC, but actually it was made 177 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:19.279 for CBS as a TV movie. 178 00:09:19.490 --> 00:09:20.000 Oh, interesting. 179 00:09:20.500 --> 00:09:23.850 And, you know, of course, it starred the great Cornell. 180 00:09:23.909 --> 00:09:26.649 Of course, it's also starred the great Bernie Casey there 181 00:09:26.710 --> 00:09:29.019 as the Gargoyle. But I meant to, and I'll bring 182 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:34.840 up an image of Cornell Wilde in a second. Gabe, 183 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:36.779 I think I grabbed one with him without his shirt 184 00:09:36.820 --> 00:09:37.779 as well, just so you know. 185 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:43.240 Yeah, I think that was the priority. 186 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:45.759 That's 90% of the Cornell Wilde. 187 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:46.360 Very true. 188 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:49.840 He literally directed

a movie called The Naked Prey so 189 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:51.159 that he could run around. 190 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:52.519 Oh, that's hilarious. 191 00:09:52.620 --> 00:09:56.679 I didn't remember. He's very naked in it for a bit. 192 00:09:57.590 --> 00:10:00.129 Well, I didn't remember that he starred in and also directed... 193 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:04.320 a couple years earlier no blade of glass grass that 194 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.899 weird british sci-fi movie i've never seen island running but 195 00:10:08.970 --> 00:10:11.570 it's it's set on earth yeah and as the title 196 00:10:11.590 --> 00:10:13.960 would suggest that's a problem that there's some sort of 197 00:10:14.009 --> 00:10:17.919 climate crisis and. 198 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.259 When I was looking through his IMDb, I was curious 199 00:10:19.299 --> 00:10:21.360 about that. Cause I mean, he did, he was somebody 200 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:23.860 who made a shift to directing and like, you know, 201 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:26.279 and kind of took it seriously. And I think mostly 202 00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:30.659 did more kind of like independently financed stuff or whatever. 203 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.000 I mean, it's, they're, they're not necessarily studio movies, but 204 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.259 you know, he had a, you know, he was an 205 00:10:37.340 --> 00:10:38.259 auteur in his way. 206 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:45.039 Yeah, absolutely. I also, I didn't remember, that Jennifer Salt 207 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:49.350 was another co-star of this film. And she of soap fame, 208 00:10:49.370 --> 00:10:52.409 she was Eunice. Was she Eunice? 209 00:10:52.490 --> 00:10:55.230 I think she was Eunice. She's also in Brian De 210 00:10:55.250 --> 00:11:01.000 Palma's Sisters with Margot Kidder. And she was one of 211 00:11:01.019 --> 00:11:05.000 those actresses that like, she's also Waldo Salt's daughter, the screenwriter, 212 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.480 Waldo Salt. And but like, yeah, she's one of those 213 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.590 like 70s actresses that like you like. She's only in 214 00:11:13.620 --> 00:11:16.110 a couple of things that I mean, she's in some stuff, 215 00:11:16.149 --> 00:11:18.950 but she's part of that world. She and Margot Kidder 216 00:11:18.990 --> 00:11:23.710 were roommates like at Malibu Colony or something like that. 217 00:11:23.789 --> 00:11:24.049 Right. 218 00:11:24.490 --> 00:11:28.179 And so like everybody, you know, everybody, all those like 219 00:11:28.220 --> 00:11:30.740 70s directors and stuff would all come and hang out there. 220 00:11:32.500 --> 00:11:33.059 In that scene. 221 00:11:33.620 --> 00:11:37.419 I didn't know post-acting she became a writer-director as well. 222 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.879 Yeah, well, I mean, I think her mom was a novelist, 223 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:44.009 her dad was Waldo Salt. She comes from a pedigree 224 00:11:44.049 --> 00:11:44.309 of this. 225 00:11:44.970 --> 00:11:46.750 And I think she wrote a Buffy. Am I right? 226 00:11:46.990 --> 00:11:49.450 I think she wrote an episode of Buffy. 227 00:11:50.110 --> 00:11:51.450 She wrote on American Horror Story. 228 00:11:51.889 --> 00:11:52.629 B.W.L. 229 00:11:52.710 --> 00:11:56.029 Norton, the director of this, directed one episode of Buffy 230 00:11:56.090 --> 00:11:58.889 and he directed a lot of Angel. That's how I 231 00:11:59.570 --> 00:12:04.080 found this because during the pandemic... like a lot of 232 00:12:04.100 --> 00:12:08.090 people just watching everything getting down weird rabbit holes. And 233 00:12:08.149 --> 00:12:12.470 so watching all the We Did Verse shows, and I 234 00:12:12.470 --> 00:12:15.070 was also watching the 80s Twilight Zone, which is a 235 00:12:15.070 --> 00:12:17.730 bit of an obsession of mine. And on both of those, 236 00:12:17.809 --> 00:12:19.570 I kept seeing this name, B.W.L. 237 00:12:19.629 --> 00:12:19.950 Norton. 238 00:12:20.110 --> 00:12:22.500 And I was like, what is this dude whose name 239 00:12:22.529 --> 00:12:28.440 sounds like a financial firm? And I started looking it up, 240 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.200 and I saw that he was someone who came from 241 00:12:32.090 --> 00:12:38.570 that early USC generation, um, uh, with, uh, Lucas and 242 00:12:38.850 --> 00:12:46.600 Caleb Deschanel and, uh, people like that. Um, and he was, uh, 243 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:52.059 Gloria Katz and Willard Hayek, um, And so he's kind 244 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:55.429 of a person in that like Lucasfilm orbit. He directed 245 00:12:55.509 --> 00:12:56.649 more American graffiti. 246 00:12:56.710 --> 00:12:59.669 Yeah. But yeah, yes, that's true. 247 00:12:59.690 --> 00:13:02.929 But he, but his first feature before this was Cisco Pike, 248 00:13:03.090 --> 00:13:05.620 this movie that was like, yeah, it's G Hackman's in it. 249 00:13:05.889 --> 00:13:08.529 Chris Christopherson stars in it. It's a, it's a kind 250 00:13:08.580 --> 00:13:10.519 of early, you know, it's like a new Hollywood movie. 251 00:13:10.539 --> 00:13:12.860 It's like, it's something that got greenlit because of easy rider. He, 252 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:17.610 you know, Christopherson plays a drug dealer and, I watched 253 00:13:17.669 --> 00:13:20.059 it recently, not for this, but like only a couple 254 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.519 of months ago. And I don't think it's exactly a 255 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:27.159 great movie, but but it's kind of interesting. You know, 256 00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:29.279 there's there's a lot of you know, there's lots of, 257 00:13:29.539 --> 00:13:31.149 you know, Harry Dean is in it. There's a whole 258 00:13:31.190 --> 00:13:33.330 bunch of people in it that are that are worth watching. 259 00:13:33.690 --> 00:13:34.730 It did the thing. 260 00:13:34.769 --> 00:13:36.230 The one thing about it that stood out to me 261 00:13:36.250 --> 00:13:39.769 the most, though, is he's he's dealing, you know, weed. 262 00:13:40.049 -->

00:13:42.769 And at one point he gets like. you know, a 263 00:13:43.740 --> 00:13:45.940 giant fucking bag of it or whatever, and they open 264 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.659 it up, and I swear to God, it's just like, 265 00:13:48.980 --> 00:13:52.690 you know, somebody mowed the lawn and they put the 266 00:13:52.870 --> 00:13:55.129 grass shavings in there. It does not look like weed 267 00:13:55.549 --> 00:14:01.019 by any stretch of the imagination. But he did that, 268 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.740 and it wasn't poorly received, but it didn't make money. 269 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.179 So I think the whole thing– and I think he 270 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:11.110 did that as Bill Norton. He does this as BWL. 271 00:14:11.149 --> 00:14:11.809 This is BWL. 272 00:14:11.970 --> 00:14:15.789 Yeah, so I think that that's him– sort of changing 273 00:14:15.830 --> 00:14:19.379 his name because of the stigma of working on TV 274 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:21.179 as opposed to making features. 275 00:14:22.620 --> 00:14:24.559 Did you mention more American Graffiti that he directed? 276 00:14:24.740 --> 00:14:27.179 That's after this. 277 00:14:27.740 --> 00:14:30.480 Also after this, another TV movie, one of my personal 278 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:34.570 guilty pleasure favorites, Dead Man's Curve, the Jan and Dean story. 279 00:14:34.830 --> 00:14:36.870 I've never seen that, but I've heard of it. 280 00:14:37.210 --> 00:14:39.710 Let me finish about Dead Man's Curve real fast, Ian, 281 00:14:39.769 --> 00:14:44.590 because it's Bruce Davidson, he of Willard fame, and also 282 00:14:44.950 --> 00:14:49.070 Richard Hatch of Battlestar Galactica, as Jan Barry, who, if 283 00:14:49.090 --> 00:14:53.059 you don't know about Dead Man's Curve and Jan and Dean, literally, 284 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:56.659 it was a song about You Won't Come Back from 285 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.159 Dead Man's Curve, which is, right, the PCA, or the PCH, rather? 286 00:15:00.179 --> 00:15:04.090 Yeah, I believe it's someplace on the Pacific Coast Highway. 287 00:15:04.230 --> 00:15:05.450 I'm actually not really sure. 288 00:15:05.470 --> 00:15:08.100 Okay, but it's the winding roads of When you're on 289 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:09.620 the mountains and they didn't have guardrails. 290 00:15:09.700 --> 00:15:10.740 It could be up in the hills. 291 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:12.620 I think it's probably, maybe it's on Mulholland. 292 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:13.000 I think that. 293 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:14.519 I was going to say, it could be up in 294 00:15:14.539 --> 00:15:17.000 the hills. There's a lot of interesting shit up there. 295 00:15:17.179 --> 00:15:18.480 I defer to the West Coast. 296 00:15:18.539 --> 00:15:18.740 Yes. 297 00:15:19.330 --> 00:15:22.350 But also, Ken Norton went through the same thing. Both 298 00:15:22.409 --> 00:15:26.450 guys accidentally drove off the cliffs and suffered serious injuries. 299 00:15:26.750 --> 00:15:29.169 In the case of Jan Barry,

kind of like Lynn 300 00:15:29.190 --> 00:15:33.090 Campbell at the end, despite having Alzheimer's, his muscle memory 301 00:15:33.269 --> 00:15:36.840 of knowing the songs Jan could perform But as far 302 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:39.409 as speaking and stuff, he really suffered for the rest 303 00:15:39.450 --> 00:15:41.649 of his life and had serious brain damage that he 304 00:15:41.669 --> 00:15:43.850 had to recover from. And in a lot of ways 305 00:15:43.889 --> 00:15:46.529 didn't recover from. But anyway, the director also did that 306 00:15:46.570 --> 00:15:48.980 movie as well. And it's one of my TV movie favorites. 307 00:15:49.700 --> 00:15:52.639 And this is not the first time that scene missing 308 00:15:52.700 --> 00:15:55.779 has touched upon the work of Bill L. Norton. He 309 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:57.259 also wrote Convoy. 310 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:57.600 He did. 311 00:15:57.620 --> 00:15:58.480 He did. Convoy. 312 00:16:01.169 --> 00:16:07.590 Assuming anyone can really take credit for writing um but 313 00:16:07.610 --> 00:16:11.350 yeah absolutely he's one of the credit writers uh. 314 00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:14.120 We can should we talk about bernie casey again before 315 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.419 we get into the plot don't. 316 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.200 Leave out young scott glenn is in this movie. 317 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:20.940 Believe me son i'm well aware of that and i've 318 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:23.419 got a photo here uh ladies and gentlemen this is 319 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:27.700 scott glenn uh before the wrinkles got to him. 320 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.610 Well, there's better pictures of him. That's a great photo. 321 00:16:30.929 --> 00:16:33.090 Oh, no, he looks beautiful here. What are you talking about? 322 00:16:33.110 --> 00:16:37.549 He just looks a little constipated in that particular picture. 323 00:16:37.669 --> 00:16:40.409 Yeah. Well, it was hard to screen cap off of Tubi. 324 00:16:40.429 --> 00:16:42.629 I did the best I could. No, of course. 325 00:16:43.690 --> 00:16:45.250 Also... Oh, go ahead, Gabe. 326 00:16:45.330 --> 00:16:46.450 No, no, please go ahead, Ian. 327 00:16:46.509 --> 00:16:50.269 Scott Klein, so Norton S. Scott Klein would re-team because 328 00:16:50.289 --> 00:16:53.620 Scott Klein is in More American Graffiti. He's in a 329 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:57.279 band called That plays the Fillmore. Okay, so I talked 330 00:16:57.299 --> 00:17:00.120 about Bill Norton being part of that original USC generation. 331 00:17:00.139 --> 00:17:04.769 I am convinced that Scott Glenn is his look and 332 00:17:04.809 --> 00:17:07.730 maybe some of his acting is based off of John Carpenter. 333 00:17:08.289 --> 00:17:11.329 If you watch more American Graffiti. I have no idea. 334 00:17:11.450 --> 00:17:11.750 Why? 335 00:17:12.690 --> 00:17:14.609 Just the way he looks and the way he talks 336 00:17:14.650 --> 00:17:16.589 and the way he speaks. But also he's a musician 337 00:17:16.609 --> 00:17:19.190 and John Carpenter was a musician. And I'm like, Bill 338 00:17:19.230 --> 00:17:21.579 Norton probably went to school with this guy. Although I 339 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.920 think Carpenter maybe a few years after was like, Is 340 00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:27.880 this dude or is this my fucking movie geek brain poison? 341 00:17:28.059 --> 00:17:28.660 Yeah, I don't know. 342 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:32.519 I take a look back at John Carpenter's his his 343 00:17:32.579 --> 00:17:35.640 cameo in The Fog, where he plays the guy who 344 00:17:35.700 --> 00:17:37.000 cleans up around the church. 345 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.299 And, you know, that it's not the strongest performance. 346 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:47.130 But so and then Bernie Casey, right, like who weirdly 347 00:17:47.269 --> 00:17:48.750 in this movie he's dubbed. 348 00:17:49.150 --> 00:17:51.190 He's dubbed by what's his name? 349 00:17:51.230 --> 00:17:54.130 Vic Perrin, the guy who does the control voice for 350 00:17:54.150 --> 00:17:57.859 the Outer Limits. And which like when I was watching this, 351 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:00.680 I was like, wait a second. That sounds really familiar. 352 00:18:00.900 --> 00:18:02.880 And then looked it up. It turns out link to 353 00:18:02.940 --> 00:18:05.960 our previous show about the Outer Limits. But but yeah, 354 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.279 I don't I can't it's hard to imagine why they would, 355 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.450 you know, ADR him because like. Bernie Casey has a 356 00:18:12.470 --> 00:18:12.990 great voice. 357 00:18:13.529 --> 00:18:17.829 It's possible that they had a sound issue, too. 358 00:18:17.930 --> 00:18:19.789 Or it's possible that they didn't think his performance was 359 00:18:19.809 --> 00:18:22.619 strong enough. I guess there's a lot of possibilities. 360 00:18:22.779 --> 00:18:25.839 Anything could have happened. 361 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:25.900 On that situation. 362 00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:30.859 The sound is cool. The EQing of the sound and 363 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.319 the way of his voice and that kind of odd, 364 00:18:33.779 --> 00:18:37.380 you know, trembly sound beneath it and stuff. 365 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:39.640 It has an otherworldly quality to it. It's cool. 366 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.579 But it's it's just weird that I do. It does 367 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:49.309 seem like they're like Bernie Casey's, you know, deeper, more like, 368 00:18:49.750 --> 00:18:53.970 you know, commanding voice, I think might have been cooler, 369 00:18:54.069 --> 00:18:54.690 but I don't know. 370 00:18:55.589 --> 00:18:57.769 No, he's great. But he's great in this. He's weird. 371 00:18:57.809 --> 00:19:00.609 Like he, he's fully in a full makeup. He's the, 372 00:19:00.730 --> 00:19:03.450 he's the big gargoyle, but he, but he actually gives 373 00:19:03.539 --> 00:19:07.240 like this charismatic performance, even though you don't get his, I. 374 00:19:07.180 -->

00:19:09.259 Thought so too, which I was a little bit surprised 375 00:19:09.299 --> 00:19:12.740 by that. Cause I was like, wow, this is actually acting. 376 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:15.799 Yeah. 377 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:19.500 He takes this movie up just entire letter grade due 378 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:20.380 to his commitment. 379 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:21.140 Yeah. 380 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:24.950 Um, and, Also, he has the best looks. So all 381 00:19:24.970 --> 00:19:28.029 the Gargoyles had different looks. One of the most historical 382 00:19:28.089 --> 00:19:31.490 things about this film is that it's the first Stan 383 00:19:31.539 --> 00:19:37.720 Winston film. The first thing that Stan Winston worked on. 384 00:19:38.019 --> 00:19:41.700 And I'm a huge fan of Stan Winston's work. I 385 00:19:41.740 --> 00:19:48.710 don't want to oversell, though, how everyone starts in modest ways, 386 00:19:48.930 --> 00:19:55.180 shall we say. Yeah. these gargoyles gargoyle suits will uh 387 00:19:55.900 --> 00:19:58.180 if you're a fan of classic doctor who you might 388 00:19:58.460 --> 00:20:02.319 have some flashbacks uh frankly in the way that they're a. 389 00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:09.799 But I got to say, Alice and I actually went 390 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:13.329 and looked up to see like, wait, did these get 391 00:20:13.549 --> 00:20:16.349 used later? You know, like I thought maybe they took 392 00:20:16.430 --> 00:20:19.369 part of the body parts. And used it in there. 393 00:20:19.509 --> 00:20:20.210 But I couldn't find anything. 394 00:20:20.230 --> 00:20:22.170 What it looks like to me is that they've got 395 00:20:22.210 --> 00:20:23.809 the hero costume, right? 396 00:20:24.130 --> 00:20:24.250 Yeah. 397 00:20:24.309 --> 00:20:25.789 And which is, like, the main costume. 398 00:20:25.930 --> 00:20:27.029 It's what we call the hero costume. 399 00:20:27.130 --> 00:20:30.279 And then, like, and then you've got, like, the extras 400 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:34.160 that they're, like, basically melding parts of things that they 401 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:35.240 have or repurposing. 402 00:20:35.259 --> 00:20:35.759 Yeah. 403 00:20:35.819 --> 00:20:37.119 Is what that looked like to me. 404 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.640 Probably specific. Yeah. 405 00:20:39.700 --> 00:20:42.119 I got to say, for a budget of the entire 406 00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:46.029 film of $ 300, 000... They did a hell of a job. 407 00:20:46.150 --> 00:20:51.859 And respectfully, I think these are great costumes. 408 00:20:52.579 --> 00:20:54.019 I don't think anybody's saying they look bad. 409 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:55.960 I think they actually are really good. 410 00:20:56.220 --> 00:21:00.230 Dean made the Doctor Who 70s nod, which I respect. 411 00:21:00.390 --> 00:21:02.869 You never forget that they're guys in suits, I think 412 00:21:02.990 --> 00:21:03.390 is a thing. 413 00:21:04.349 --> 00:21:04.829 Of course. 414 00:21:06.410 --> 00:21:09.079 Look, I'd make

the argument that all that the that 415 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:12.440 the head pieces that are probably mostly what what the 416 00:21:12.579 --> 00:21:15.319 you know, the Stan Winston part are, you know, are 417 00:21:15.339 --> 00:21:18.859 actually pretty, pretty damn good, especially at a time when 418 00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:22.750 you didn't they didn't have like the same, you know, 419 00:21:22.829 --> 00:21:26.210 kind ways to mold stuff and you and apply the 420 00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:30.880 appliances and everything like the I think that the the 421 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.380 head pieces look awesome. They're all like, you know, they 422 00:21:34.460 --> 00:21:37.099 all are a little different and they're, uh, you know, 423 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:38.779 they seem to be kind of modeled after the ones 424 00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:41.230 from Notre Dame, the, the, you know, the gargoyles on 425 00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:44.329 Notre Dame. And, uh, even though you don't always get 426 00:21:44.369 --> 00:21:48.700 a great look at the other ones, but, um, But, like, 427 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:53.240 the headpieces and everything are good. You know, the body 428 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.519 suits are a little rubbery, you know, but whatever. 429 00:21:56.980 --> 00:21:59.730 I mean, I think it's pretty good for what it is. 430 00:22:00.130 --> 00:22:02.849 You can draw a line from this to then Galaxy 431 00:22:02.890 --> 00:22:06.329 Quest and the alien suits in that, and you're just like, 432 00:22:06.730 --> 00:22:10.170 all right, this is the evolution through Stan Winston. 433 00:22:10.390 --> 00:22:14.700 And retroactively, we had just spent a decade with shows 434 00:22:14.779 --> 00:22:16.720 like Lost in Space, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, 435 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:19.910 and Star Trek. where they were all in rubber suits. 436 00:22:19.990 --> 00:22:23.059 And it's like, I'm sorry, that was the rigged daguerre. 437 00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:29.569 It's just the times. There wasn't another way to do it. No, totally. 438 00:22:29.630 --> 00:22:32.289 We had 300 grand, man. You're taking it too personally 439 00:22:32.349 --> 00:22:36.440 about the suits. We're all liking the suits. I think 440 00:22:36.460 --> 00:22:37.039 they're real good. 441 00:22:37.940 --> 00:22:38.660 Get lost, Ian. 442 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:46.289 Just to hang this up, ironically, because I did want 443 00:22:46.309 --> 00:22:48.049 to make the point, because we're talking about Bernie Casey, 444 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:50.130 is that one of the best things about it is 445 00:22:50.730 --> 00:22:54.609 Winston and his team figured out how to make the 446 00:22:55.329 --> 00:22:58.470 main gargoyle. He's just credited as the gargoyle, even though 447 00:22:58.490 --> 00:23:02.430 he's one of many. He's just the leader. They figured 448 00:23:02.470 --> 00:23:07.029 out a great way to blend the the headpiece with 449 00:23:07.089 --> 00:23:08.910 his Bernie Casey's actual features. 450 00:23:09.130 --> 00:23:09.710 Yeah. 451 00:23:09.789 --> 00:23:13.509 And he gets to be the most expressive. And so 452 00:23:13.569 --> 00:23:15.750 even though he's dubbed, you definitely, you definitely get a 453 00:23:15.769 --> 00:23:16.470 great performance. 454 00:23:17.130 --> 00:23:20.019 Yeah. Others of them have beaks and stuff. 455 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:24.099 And yeah, the female, the female gargoyle had a very 456 00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:29.549 distinct look, which shocked me. And also, the eggs look great. 457 00:23:30.390 --> 00:23:34.190 When they flew again for 1972, it looked pretty. 458 00:23:33.990 --> 00:23:36.150 Good, man. The one time. 459 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:40.400 Yes, that is true. 460 00:23:40.420 --> 00:23:40.720 Sorry. 461 00:23:40.779 --> 00:23:44.880 Well, I think that maybe the... I mean, honestly, the. 462 00:23:46.059 --> 00:23:48.589 hauling them around on a crane or whatever was maybe 463 00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:49.380 not as great. 464 00:23:49.420 --> 00:23:50.289 Oh, yeah, no. 465 00:23:50.309 --> 00:23:54.970 I mean, trust me, I've been there, done that, almost 466 00:23:55.009 --> 00:23:57.289 did that, and then the crane fell over and we 467 00:23:57.890 --> 00:23:58.710 scratched that shot. 468 00:23:58.730 --> 00:24:01.269 So, yeah, I've been in that world. 469 00:24:01.549 --> 00:24:04.430 Yeah. 470 00:24:04.490 --> 00:24:07.000 I mean, I think that if they had, like, made 471 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:10.039 a little animatronic model or something like that. 472 00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:12.740 Yeah, a miniature of some sort, yeah. 473 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:20.289 You know, because those wings couldn't hope to carry one gargoyle. 474 00:24:20.730 --> 00:24:24.829 But Corny Wilde plays an archaeologist who has written books 475 00:24:24.930 --> 00:24:30.079 on demonology and is tracking the history of gargoyles and 476 00:24:30.099 --> 00:24:35.279 has come to the Southwest because an old man who 477 00:24:35.299 --> 00:24:37.819 has a kind of weird curio museum, kind of a 478 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:42.240 Route 66 sort of kind of stop, has contacted him. 479 00:24:42.740 --> 00:24:46.660 because he's made this amazing discovery. And I'll post the 480 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:49.380 picture shortly, guys. It's a little slow on the take 481 00:24:49.420 --> 00:24:54.549 to get all the images up. But great little spot 482 00:24:54.630 --> 00:24:57.009 performance here. And I forget the actor's name, but it's 483 00:24:57.049 --> 00:24:58.490 on the picture that Jeff sent me. 484 00:24:59.029 --> 00:25:01.930 I have to mention, because I actually went back and 485 00:25:01.970 --> 00:25:04.049 looked at it because I was like, did I misremember this? 486 00:25:05.130 --> 00:25:06.799 So the minute she gets off the. 487 00:25:06.740 --> 00:25:09.140 Plane at the very beginning of the movie, she's like, 488 00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:11.319 I didn't want to miss a trip to Mexico. 489

00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:11.859 Yeah. 490 00:25:12.710 --> 00:25:21.000 Now, everybody's white. 491 00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:23.019 It's not. 492 00:25:23.420 --> 00:25:28.980 OK, so it's an artifact. I think I mean, my 493 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:33.329 question is, was it. A, they shot this in New Mexico. 494 00:25:33.509 --> 00:25:34.329 And, like, I. 495 00:25:34.849 --> 00:25:37.319 My mother used to live in New Mexico, and every 496 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.720 time I would say, I'm going to New Mexico, people 497 00:25:39.740 --> 00:25:41.779 would be like, you're going to Mexico? And I'd be like, no, 498 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:42.599 it's a state. 499 00:25:42.740 --> 00:25:44.640 I've had that same situation. 500 00:25:44.660 --> 00:25:47.420 Which is why I rewound it, like, three times to 501 00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:49.039 be like, does she say New Mexico? 502 00:25:49.220 --> 00:25:50.000 And she does not. 503 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:51.779 No, she definitely says Mexico. 504 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.640 I saw that, too. So I'm only. 505 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.170 I feel like, is it that they're on their way 506 00:25:56.269 --> 00:25:59.549 to Mexico? They're in New Mexico. Like, they're on their 507 00:25:59.589 --> 00:26:03.170 way there and get... waylaid by you know gargoyles. 508 00:26:03.170 --> 00:26:05.869 The first uncle willie who kind of tips them off 509 00:26:05.930 --> 00:26:08.369 that right woody chambliss everybody i don't know i didn't 510 00:26:08.390 --> 00:26:11.390 look up his imdb but clearly somebody that we've seen 511 00:26:11.430 --> 00:26:12.210 before i'm sure on. 512 00:26:12.150 --> 00:26:14.710 Tv and film yeah and a fun little role i. 513 00:26:14.730 --> 00:26:17.529 You know this really has the pacing of a 50s 514 00:26:18.029 --> 00:26:20.160 monster movie in the best way i think. 515 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.619 I mean i i guess i think it's a little 516 00:26:23.660 --> 00:26:24.500 pacier than that in. 517 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.140 Some ways yeah uh but like the thing i like 518 00:26:28.180 --> 00:26:31.880 the thing about uncle willie that they go and they 519 00:26:31.910 --> 00:26:36.240 talk to, and he has this whole spiel about, you know, that, 520 00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:41.289 you know, he has a gargoyle skeleton, and, you know, 521 00:26:41.809 --> 00:26:45.880 and he's, but he's pitch, he's basically... And this is 522 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.549 a familiar thing to anyone who writes comics and has 523 00:26:48.569 --> 00:26:54.150 been to a comic convention. He's like, I have a 524 00:26:54.170 --> 00:26:56.250 bunch of great ideas and I want you to write 525 00:26:56.269 --> 00:26:57.009 the book for me. 526 00:26:57.029 --> 00:26:59.190 This is something that comes up a lot when you've 527 00:26:59.230 --> 00:26:59.670 written anything. 528 00:26:59.690 --> 00:27:02.609 And I was a little bit triggered by Uncle Willie 529 00:27:02.630 --> 00:27:03.349 in that way. 530 00:27:03.369 --> 00:27:03.650 Yeah. 531 00:27:14.869 --> 00:27:19.109 He says, we'll put my skeleton on the cover, and 532 00:27:19.130 --> 00:27:21.250 you write the book, and it'll be 50-50. I'm like, 533 00:27:21.269 --> 00:27:23.650 how fucking great is that cover going to be? 534 00:27:24.009 --> 00:27:28.130 Well, it's an impressive skeleton, though, of the wings and 535 00:27:28.339 --> 00:27:30.380 the kind of long horn head that they gave it. 536 00:27:30.390 --> 00:27:32.259 Sure, but that's not how publisher works. 537 00:27:32.579 --> 00:27:35.359 I'm guessing that you were really happy when he just 538 00:27:35.380 --> 00:27:36.279 blew up in flames. 539 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.839 Yeah, look, you know, I mean, that's not what I 540 00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:43.640 wish for people, but, you know, look, sometimes it's okay. 541 00:27:44.779 --> 00:27:46.859 Man, that station wagon took a beating, too. 542 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:47.569 My God. 543 00:27:47.609 --> 00:27:49.569 They get it all fixed up, and then the gargoyles 544 00:27:49.619 --> 00:27:50.289 attack it again. 545 00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:51.420 Right. 546 00:27:51.529 --> 00:27:56.049 Yeah, but the sequence is fun. You know, the gargoyles 547 00:27:56.089 --> 00:28:00.490 attack Willie's shed or whatever, and it shakes around and 548 00:28:00.990 --> 00:28:06.650 catches on fire. Willie catches on fire. Really fast, too. 549 00:28:06.789 --> 00:28:11.890 And Cornel Wilde, he, like, does not believe at all 550 00:28:11.950 --> 00:28:12.450 in this stuff. 551 00:28:13.089 --> 00:28:17.940 But then he saves that skull, the gargoyle skull. He 552 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.339 was not convinced up until this point. I guess he's 553 00:28:20.380 --> 00:28:22.559 convinced by the fact that gargoyles are attacking them, that 554 00:28:22.579 --> 00:28:23.660 maybe the skull is important. 555 00:28:24.259 --> 00:28:24.460 Sure. 556 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.960 Is that why they keep attacking those, because they have 557 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.119 the skull? Like, I wasn't clear on that. 558 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:32.690 This is a thing, I think, a little bit over 559 00:28:32.730 --> 00:28:37.400 the course of it, where, like, what... the gargoyle motivations 560 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:43.190 get murky for me because like, because like, you're going 561 00:28:43.210 --> 00:28:44.690 to conquer the world. 562 00:28:45.710 --> 00:28:46.109 Okay. 563 00:28:46.470 --> 00:28:49.589 But like, they also are like, oh, we're not, we're 564 00:28:49.630 --> 00:28:50.549 not going to hurt anybody. 565 00:28:50.569 --> 00:28:51.369 We're not going to hurt you. 566 00:28:51.569 --> 00:28:53.450 And then turn around and just murder some people to, 567 00:28:53.809 --> 00:28:56.490 you know, randomly. But the girl is. 568 00:28:56.529 --> 00:28:58.089 Fine, apparently. Like, she's good. 569 00:28:58.130 --> 00:29:00.750 Yeah, well, she's fine. That's true. They take, you know, 570

00:29:00.769 --> 00:29:01.369 they kidnap. 571 00:29:01.390 --> 00:29:03.210 She's like, hangs out with them. 572 00:29:03.329 --> 00:29:06.019 Once they let you in, Once they let you in 573 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:09.819 the cave, then they're like, whatever, just go about your bit. 574 00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:10.839 No one watches her. 575 00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:14.339 Like, you and your halter top, you're good. 576 00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.150 By the way, yes, but classic, man, I can't tell 577 00:29:17.170 --> 00:29:20.210 you how many Polaroids in photo albums of the 70s 578 00:29:20.789 --> 00:29:24.250 friends and family have wearing halter tops like that. But also, 579 00:29:24.730 --> 00:29:28.269 I love this part, which essentially is the head gargoyle 580 00:29:28.630 --> 00:29:29.390 having a read. 581 00:29:29.690 --> 00:29:30.289 Read to me. 582 00:29:30.930 --> 00:29:35.319 And she basically reads a 15th century version of penthouse 583 00:29:35.380 --> 00:29:40.859 forum gargoyle edition it's essentially I never knew these letters 584 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.839 were true until the following happened to me. 585 00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:49.450 He also gets incredibly uncomfortably close to her and then says, no, no, 586 00:29:49.490 --> 00:29:51.589 nothing's going on. And then we get this big wide 587 00:29:51.609 --> 00:29:53.769 chat and it's like he's trying to crawl inside. 588 00:29:53.589 --> 00:29:54.509 Her mouth or something. 589 00:29:54.549 --> 00:29:57.130 He's so fucking close to her. 590 00:29:58.089 --> 00:29:59.119 It's troubling. 591 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.269 I want to know where the censor was that day. 592 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.369 And like, hey, isn't this kind of bestiality? Right. 593 00:30:07.670 --> 00:30:09.049 Yes, it was. 594 00:30:10.049 --> 00:30:12.430 And it's 1972. It's not like it was. I mean, 595 00:30:12.450 --> 00:30:14.490 I would think network TV today would have a slight 596 00:30:14.539 --> 00:30:15.279 problem with it. 597 00:30:15.339 --> 00:30:15.619 Maybe. 598 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:20.559 Yeah, but I mean, although 1972 is probably exactly the 599 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.619 moment when, you know, something weird could get through. And 600 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.180 because of just cultural changes. 601 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.609 It's before irony. Yeah. 602 00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:30.660 You've got to remember, it's before things were ironic on television. 603 00:30:30.700 --> 00:30:35.940 Television was like Sonny and Cher. It was like Variety Hour. 604 00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:38.420 You have to remember what was on television at the 605 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:47.269 same time. There's no self-awareness going on at all. 606 00:30:47.309 --> 00:30:50.099 People are just watching, because sometimes people do, without seeing 607 00:30:50.130 --> 00:30:53.599 the movie first. JD was asking if there's a version 608 00:30:53.619 --> 00:30:56.779 available on purchase. Hey, it's

on Tubi, and it looks great. 609 00:30:57.900 --> 00:30:58.819 Yeah, I mean, yeah. 610 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.000 No, I don't know if there's. 611 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.619 Some woman talking about it in between, which is annoying. 612 00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:04.980 Yeah, I mean, there's a version on Amazon. 613 00:31:05.019 --> 00:31:07.210 So, like, I watched this twice. I watched it on 614 00:31:07.390 --> 00:31:10.670 Amazon Prime, and that's kind of a... It doesn't have ads, 615 00:31:10.690 --> 00:31:13.470 but it's a shittier version. It's like some interlaced bullshit 616 00:31:13.509 --> 00:31:16.589 going on that they didn't do right in the transfer. 617 00:31:16.650 --> 00:31:17.839 And then the. 618 00:31:19.089 --> 00:31:20.410 But the one on Tubi is actually better. 619 00:31:20.710 --> 00:31:22.529 Unfortunately, you have to sit through those commercials. 620 00:31:22.650 --> 00:31:24.839 Although I will say it's a TV movie and it 621 00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:26.289 does have commercial breaks in it. 622 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.339 Oh, that's fair. I'm not sure that that is... I'm 623 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.599 not sure that's where the commercials came in the thing. 624 00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:31.980 But yeah. 625 00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:35.200 I wonder what that demo was back then. 626 00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:39.109 Well, I mean, Jeff, six-year-old Jeff Parker. 627 00:31:39.130 --> 00:31:42.869 Well, yeah, but you got to remember, this is literally 628 00:31:42.910 --> 00:31:46.269 coming off The Exorcist. And there was a slew of these. 629 00:31:46.289 --> 00:31:48.329 I mean, honestly, Allison and I have talked about it 630 00:31:48.650 --> 00:31:50.190 that I really want to, and I will end up 631 00:31:50.210 --> 00:31:52.940 just doing it myself next week. And just having here 632 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.420 are my favorite 70s TV movies that are horror movies 633 00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.460 for the Halloween season. that you can find on YouTube 634 00:32:00.579 --> 00:32:03.930 or Tubi or whatever. And, you know, yeah, because again, 635 00:32:03.950 --> 00:32:05.869 they just, they made a, they made a shit ton 636 00:32:05.910 --> 00:32:06.109 of these. 637 00:32:06.130 --> 00:32:06.210 Yeah. 638 00:32:06.230 --> 00:32:08.880 There's actually, there are a bunch of them and there, uh, 639 00:32:09.009 --> 00:32:12.329 one of them is, uh, I mean like, uh, you know, 640 00:32:12.410 --> 00:32:14.150 if you, if you know this kind of stuff, everybody 641 00:32:14.190 --> 00:32:18.180 knows the Spielberg duel, a TV movie, which is certainly amazing, 642 00:32:18.460 --> 00:32:22.220 but he also made, uh, um, um, a TV movie 643 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:26.539 called something evil. That's a kind of proto poltergeist that, uh, 644 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:30.140 has like, um, that I'm forgetting who's in right now, 645 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.049 but like, uh, but it's, you know, like a family 646 00:32:33.109 --> 00:32:36.750 moves out to, uh, uh, like rural house and there's 647 00:32:36.809 --> 00:32:40.329 some devil-y sort of stuff and the kid gets possessed and, 648 00:32:40.450 --> 00:32:42.970 you know, uh, and it's, uh, it's, there's, there's an 649 00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:46.130 okay version of it on, on YouTube. I, you know, 650 00:32:46.369 --> 00:32:48.009 at some point in the past, I did a deep 651 00:32:48.029 --> 00:32:50.470 dive on Spielberg and I, uh, and I watched, and 652 00:32:50.509 --> 00:32:52.720 I had to like get a, this was very much 653 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.630 in the past because I got a bootleg VHS from 654 00:32:55.730 --> 00:33:04.710 Eddie Brandt in the, in the Valley. But there's an 655 00:33:04.789 --> 00:33:06.819 okay version of it on, on YouTube. And I recommend 656 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:07.180 watching that. 657 00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:08.519 It's fun. It's not perfect. 658 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.160 It like kind of falls apart at the end, but like, 659 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.970 but it's got a lot of that Spielberg energy to it. 660 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:17.559 The Night Stalker, the Night Strangler, Salem's Lot, as Camper 661 00:33:17.779 --> 00:33:21.599 points out. And no, just tons of Let's Scare Jessica 662 00:33:21.619 --> 00:33:22.039 to Death. 663 00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:27.339 John Carpenter, the previous manager, he did a TV movie 664 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.039 called Someone's Watching Me. I think he might have done 665 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:30.000 it after Halloween. 666 00:33:30.099 --> 00:33:32.000 He did, I believe. Yeah. 667 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:33.799 And well, it's not hard. Of course, he also did 668 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.940 The Elvis. That's where he first. 669 00:33:35.809 --> 00:33:36.789 Worked for Russell. 670 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.750 There is no chance Jack Kirby did not watch this movie, 671 00:33:41.029 --> 00:33:41.549 by the way. 672 00:33:41.789 --> 00:33:47.289 Yeah. This is the same year The Demon came out. Oh, yeah. 673 00:33:47.309 --> 00:33:47.950 Right. 674 00:33:47.970 --> 00:33:48.049 Yeah. 675 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.180 The first thing Cornel Wilde says, I'm a demonologist, just 676 00:33:53.259 --> 00:33:55.400 like Jason Blood. 677 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:57.960 He's got some brain in his hair. Much more than 678 00:33:58.009 --> 00:33:59.359 Jason Blood, but maybe that. 679 00:33:59.750 --> 00:34:00.710 Was a bit of an influence. 680 00:34:02.890 --> 00:34:08.489 I'd have a hard time drawing that Cornel Wilde toupee, though. 681 00:34:08.510 --> 00:34:11.030 It doesn't have clear lines in it. It's just this 682 00:34:11.130 --> 00:34:11.690 fuzzy thing. 683 00:34:11.710 --> 00:34:13.889 I've got to bring up they stay. 684 00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:20.980 At a motel And I love this woman. 685 00:34:22.019 --> 00:34:22.659 Oh, yeah. 686 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.610 The drunk woman who. 687 00:34:25.409 --> 00:34:26.510 Hits on him? 688 00:34:26.789

--> 00:34:27.630 Yeah. 689 00:34:27.670 --> 00:34:28.570 The drunk lady, yeah. 690 00:34:28.949 --> 00:34:32.170 Yeah, she gets the Lucille Ball Brassy Actress Award for 691 00:34:32.210 --> 00:34:35.769 this movie. Yeah, let me tell you, honey. I need 692 00:34:35.809 --> 00:34:38.989 another slug of booze before I describe the goggles. 693 00:34:39.050 --> 00:34:42.769 Enter the Dirt Bike kids who were clearly hoodlums. 694 00:34:43.449 --> 00:34:43.909 Yeah. 695 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:45.599 Except they don't do anything. 696 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:46.840 They don't do anything. 697 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:48.480 I know, but it's hilarious. 698 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:50.099 I was just like. 699 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.019 They get rested from being like, you know, dirt bike kids. 700 00:34:54.099 --> 00:34:55.219 I'm like, really? 701 00:34:55.610 --> 00:34:55.989 Okay. 702 00:34:56.510 --> 00:34:59.030 They're just easy to pin a crime on because they're 703 00:34:59.110 --> 00:34:59.650 long hairs. 704 00:34:59.670 --> 00:35:05.050 Also, you know, you've been out to little desert towns. 705 00:35:05.139 --> 00:35:07.949 They are all drunks. I'm sorry. Oh, no, that, I 706 00:35:07.989 --> 00:35:08.369 think that. 707 00:35:08.670 --> 00:35:09.750 Oh yeah, that's fine. 708 00:35:09.769 --> 00:35:11.650 But like the fact that they just put a bunch 709 00:35:11.670 --> 00:35:15.289 of people in jail for like no reason. 710 00:35:15.889 --> 00:35:20.449 But that the older woman who seems to have affairs 711 00:35:20.530 --> 00:35:22.909 with any guy who shows up at her home. 712 00:35:23.090 --> 00:35:23.489 Yes. 713 00:35:24.369 --> 00:35:28.510 Like she, her name is Grayson Hall, but she was 714 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:29.599 in Night of the Iguana. 715 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.570 That's where I knew her. Okay. You know, Wow. He's 716 00:35:34.030 --> 00:35:35.909 not too proud to hit on him right in front 717 00:35:35.929 --> 00:35:40.610 of his daughter. Exactly. Look, his daughter's grown up. Everybody's 718 00:35:40.659 --> 00:35:42.179 adults there. Yeah. 719 00:35:42.260 --> 00:35:42.579 Yes. 720 00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:43.039 I don't know. 721 00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:47.480 Here's her seduction scene every shot she has a drink 722 00:35:47.579 --> 00:35:50.579 it's like hilarious even when they're in the pickup truck 723 00:35:50.659 --> 00:35:53.139 they hear the cop and she's pouring herself a drink 724 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.380 absolutely she's not behind the wheel. 725 00:35:55.420 --> 00:35:57.000 They didn't have those laws then. 726 00:35:56.860 --> 00:36:00.059 So I know because. 727 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.809 I was a child in the 70s sure yeah. 728 00:36:02.610 --> 00:36:06.190 Texas open periaps and actually that's what Texas meant there 729 00:36:06.210 --> 00:36:08.369 that you could I remember seeing that on. 730 00:36:08.309 --> 00:36:11.269 The network news but yeah like no seatbelts and like 731 00:36:11.489 --> 00:36:13.610 drink a beer if you want drink your car. 732 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:18.340 At some point, Cornel Wilde's station wagon finally gets so trashed, 733 00:36:19.050 --> 00:36:20.769 and he gets to trade up and drive a cool 734 00:36:20.829 --> 00:36:23.969 old Bronco around, which was pretty sweet. I don't know 735 00:36:23.989 --> 00:36:24.849 who just gave him that. 736 00:36:25.269 --> 00:36:26.949 Yeah, I don't know where it came from exactly. 737 00:36:27.530 --> 00:36:28.289 Or was that the. 738 00:36:28.849 --> 00:36:32.190 Wait, that wasn't the one going around in circles that 739 00:36:32.210 --> 00:36:36.019 they found, right? Where the lady had got murdered from 740 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.300 it and everything? That was a pickup truck or something. 741 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:39.199 I don't know. 742 00:36:39.219 --> 00:36:41.780 Yeah, the continuity is not a strong suit in this film. 743 00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:42.360 Yeah. 744 00:36:42.380 --> 00:36:42.840 Yeah. 745 00:36:43.829 --> 00:36:49.860 So, I mean, I do, I am a little, I mean, I, well, 746 00:36:49.889 --> 00:36:50.659 we won't get to the ending. 747 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:51.010 It's fine. 748 00:36:52.050 --> 00:36:55.340 But, but like, I mean, I'm just puzzled by the 749 00:36:55.380 --> 00:36:57.420 ending of it a little bit. Like it, it ended 750 00:36:57.460 --> 00:36:59.480 in a way where, where I was like, is this 751 00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.460 the ending of it? Like, and I, I gotta say, 752 00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:04.480 I saw this as an adult. I'm not coming at 753 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.840 it with, you know, with the kid nostalgia for it. 754 00:37:08.500 --> 00:37:12.460 And like, and it felt like it just, they kind 755 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:16.519 of were like, okay, well, we've decided to just, you know, uh, 756 00:37:17.420 --> 00:37:19.559 we're going to just shake hands and go our separate ways. 757 00:37:19.699 --> 00:37:21.840 You know, like we're. 758 00:37:21.139 --> 00:37:22.269 Out of, we're out of money. 759 00:37:22.650 --> 00:37:23.250 We got to go. 760 00:37:23.489 --> 00:37:27.210 What are your feelings about, about that ending? Like, like Jeff, 761 00:37:27.250 --> 00:37:29.710 what were you watching? 762 00:37:30.690 --> 00:37:35.880 Uh, yeah, it was, uh, uh, Cornell, uh, the demonologist and, uh, the, 763 00:37:36.340 --> 00:37:41.360 the demon come to a, you know, some kind of understanding. Well, he, uh, 764 00:37:41.619 --> 00:37:45.530 He breaks his mate's wing and then says, now you 765 00:37:45.570 --> 00:37:47.289 have to fly her. Now you have to fly her 766 00:37:47.369 --> 00:37:47.750 out of here. 767 00:37:47.829 --> 00:37:48.349 Blah, blah, blah. 768 00:37:48.369 --> 00:37:51.590 You can't attack us anymore. And he's like, very. 769 00:37:51.409 --> 00:37:57.500 Well played or something. He goes, but maybe one day 770 00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.860 I will. My numbers will return and will totally wipe 771 00:38:00.900

--> 00:38:03.280 you off the face of the earth, which seems unrealistic. 772 00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:05.480 There's already a lot of humans. Sure. 773 00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:05.940 Yeah. 774 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:09.849 It also feels like if you're getting away with it, 775 00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:12.179 like if you're just, if you're getting out of there 776 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.119 with your life, don't go. And by the way, I'm 777 00:38:15.139 --> 00:38:17.400 going to come back and like murder your entire civilization, 778 00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:19.800 you know, like it just go, you know? 779 00:38:20.550 --> 00:38:20.789 Yeah. 780 00:38:20.809 --> 00:38:23.150 But I think that was to scare the children that 781 00:38:23.170 --> 00:38:25.969 were watching to go, wait a minute. They're still out there. 782 00:38:26.369 --> 00:38:27.010 Sure. 783 00:38:27.030 --> 00:38:27.110 Yeah. 784 00:38:28.630 --> 00:38:30.650 When you're, well, if you're watching it as a kid, 785 00:38:30.889 --> 00:38:33.590 you don't, you're not getting any of these story points. 786 00:38:33.769 --> 00:38:36.179 All you're getting is there is a cave. 787 00:38:36.570 --> 00:38:36.719 Yeah. 788 00:38:37.380 --> 00:38:38.420 Demons live in it. 789 00:38:38.460 --> 00:38:38.739 Yes. 790 00:38:39.179 --> 00:38:43.239 Or gargoyles or whatever. There's sleeve stacks. 791 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.139 Yeah, there's sleeve stacks, yes. 792 00:38:45.219 --> 00:38:46.139 There's sleeve stack. 793 00:38:46.610 --> 00:38:50.070 By the way, the sleeve stack were usually played by 794 00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:52.090 basketball players like Bill Lambeer. 795 00:38:54.969 --> 00:38:56.909 Well, we've got football player gargoyles. 796 00:38:56.929 --> 00:38:58.829 Yeah, Bernie Casey played for the 49ers. 797 00:38:59.949 --> 00:39:03.070 So that's the difference. Sleeve stack were basketball players. Gargoyles 798 00:39:03.090 --> 00:39:04.349 were football players and kids. 799 00:39:04.369 --> 00:39:04.829 There you go. 800 00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:05.820 I like this. 801 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.860 I like the two kids who break into the hotel 802 00:39:07.940 --> 00:39:11.019 room originally, too, when they come in and they're like 803 00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:12.920 slow motion around and everything. 804 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:14.219 Yeah. 805 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.019 Well, OK, so the slow motion action. Oh, well, let 806 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:21.429 me just finish the thing about that. Because here's but 807 00:39:21.869 --> 00:39:24.690 I do think like the other side of this is, 808 00:39:24.849 --> 00:39:26.789 you know, John was saying like a 50s movie or whatever. 809 00:39:27.050 --> 00:39:30.139 At the end of the 50s sci-fi movie, everything gets resolved. 810 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.980 It's always that there, you know, humans through Christianity and 811 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:41.210 the bomb have prevailed. And like in this, you don't 812 00:39:41.250 --> 00:39:45.150 get that. Like the ending is not that people prevailed. 813 00:39:45.329 --> 00:39:48.550 It's like there's still this the existential threat of gargoyles 814 00:39:48.610 --> 00:39:49.360 out there to come get you. 815 00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:53.480 That's very 70s. 816 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:56.539 It's not quite like we're all doomed, which is like 817 00:39:56.659 --> 00:40:01.300 later 70s. We're still in the early 70s, so Watergate 818 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.980 hasn't happened. So it's not like everything's a conspiracy and 819 00:40:04.099 --> 00:40:05.079 we're all screwed. 820 00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:09.000 We're the yin-yang. We're good and evil, wrestling on my hand. 821 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.579 I love that whole sort of thing. In the past, 822 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:20.949 knights and stuff were probably fighting them And now it's like, well, 823 00:40:20.989 --> 00:40:27.090 some dirt bike kids and a father and daughter and 824 00:40:27.110 --> 00:40:29.360 a couple of some drunks. 825 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:31.340 Exactly. Right. 826 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.820 So the Knights actually wiped them out. These dirt bike kids, 827 00:40:35.179 --> 00:40:36.599 you know, they can't quite finish the job. 828 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:43.280 Another continuity error, though, is the opening narration says the 829 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:48.519 Gargoyles come out every 600 years, but later... the gargoyle 830 00:40:48.539 --> 00:40:52.300 Bernie Casey says every 500 years. So I wonder if 831 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:52.780 that was. 832 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:56.989 So they did not have a script supervisor. 833 00:40:57.070 --> 00:41:00.070 Also, I'm willing to go with Bernie Casey. He was 834 00:41:00.150 --> 00:41:00.670 a gargoyle. 835 00:41:00.929 --> 00:41:04.840 He would know. We don't know where this narrator is 836 00:41:04.860 --> 00:41:05.780 getting his information. 837 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.079 Yeah. Also, you're born into that scene. 838 00:41:09.099 --> 00:41:12.010 God forbid the movie be consistent. It's only like an 839 00:41:12.050 --> 00:41:13.050 hour and 15 minutes. 840 00:41:13.389 --> 00:41:15.710 I love the callback here of the gargoyle on the horse. 841 00:41:15.750 --> 00:41:17.469 It reminds me of an ape on a horse. 842 00:41:17.489 --> 00:41:18.289 Sure, yeah. 843 00:41:18.389 --> 00:41:20.829 Actually, the gargoyle on a horse thing is one of 844 00:41:20.869 --> 00:41:22.039 the oddest parts of it. 845 00:41:22.170 --> 00:41:22.789 It's pretty good. 846 00:41:22.849 --> 00:41:26.719 It also has wings. If I had wings, I would fly, 847 00:41:26.739 --> 00:41:27.539 not ride a horse. 848 00:41:28.099 --> 00:41:31.179 They can only afford one flying shot, Gabe. 849 00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:32.460 That is true. 850 00:41:32.539 --> 00:41:35.460 They blew up the thing. They spent their money blowing 851 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.219 up stuff. So there's that. They had all the makeup stuff. Like, 852

00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:40.559 you know, into this on budget. 853 00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:43.760 I mean, maybe that probably it maybe that scene he 854 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.389 was supposed to fly away in the script. 855 00:41:45.429 --> 00:41:46.389 I wish I had read the script. 856 00:41:46.469 --> 00:41:50.550 But like and then they were like, OK, we cannot 857 00:41:50.590 --> 00:41:53.300 afford that. The cranes fell over. We can't afford that. 858 00:41:53.539 --> 00:41:57.440 Yeah. And we but Bernie Casey, can you ride a horse? 859 00:41:58.039 --> 00:41:59.000 And then he's an actor. 860 00:41:59.059 --> 00:42:00.699 So every actor says they can ride a horse. 861 00:42:00.739 --> 00:42:02.800 So, you know, they all say that. Yeah. 862 00:42:03.820 --> 00:42:06.030 So can we talk about them slowing down footage? Because 863 00:42:06.070 --> 00:42:08.869 I don't think that they were doing that. It didn't 864 00:42:08.889 --> 00:42:10.789 seem like they were doing that for an effect. They 865 00:42:10.869 --> 00:42:13.050 were doing it because they were they need they didn't 866 00:42:13.090 --> 00:42:14.929 have enough footage. 867 00:42:14.949 --> 00:42:15.239 Yeah. 868 00:42:16.659 --> 00:42:17.360 I think it's. 869 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.079 For a fact but i don't think they shot it 870 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.019 that way though i think it's post. 871 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:25.119 No they slowed it down because. 872 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.420 It's got that that pixelated jagged. 873 00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:29.909 It's really messed up and it's like and it's like 874 00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:34.489 to me it's like okay we gotta stretch this out 875 00:42:34.590 --> 00:42:36.590 a little bit because i think that they. 876 00:42:36.570 --> 00:42:41.809 I don't know what happened weird i i Yeah, but 877 00:42:41.849 --> 00:42:43.909 it was just an odd moment to use it at 878 00:42:43.969 --> 00:42:45.199 some of the places. 879 00:42:45.219 --> 00:42:47.780 But they do it every time they have a wide shot. 880 00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:52.099 Every time there's a wide shot, it's weirdly slowed down. 881 00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.699 Yeah, well, I mean, it's every time there's a shot 882 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.230 that doesn't have a person in it that only has 883 00:42:57.269 --> 00:42:58.590 a gargoyle in it, right? 884 00:42:58.690 --> 00:43:00.110 Exactly, exactly. 885 00:43:01.090 --> 00:43:01.489 But then. 886 00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.340 they get sloppy with it later because there's a, there's 887 00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:08.179 a scene where, uh, where Scott Glenn rides a motorcycle 888 00:43:08.219 --> 00:43:09.800 super slow through, through the shot. 889 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:10.840 That's my point. 890 00:43:10.940 --> 00:43:11.159 Right. 891 00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:16.920 So, but clearly their, their idea was, okay, well, you know, whenever, 892 00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:19.079 you know, when they go and find the, you know, 893 00:43:19.099 --> 00:43:22.559 the gargoyles in the motel room, like the, her opening 894 00:43:22.579 --> 00:43:23.900 the door and finding it, it's turning around. 895 00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:27.599 It's an, it's, you know, here's my, here's my actual answer. 896 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:28.739 It's a TV movie. 897 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.619 They have to go to a set of minutes. 898 00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:33.780 Right. 899 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.940 And if they don't hit the set of minutes, they're screwed. 900 00:43:37.460 --> 00:43:41.119 Yeah, and it's literally, with credit, 75 minutes, which is perfect. 901 00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.690 So they had to, there were pieces where they were like, okay, 902 00:43:43.710 --> 00:43:45.329 maybe we can just slow this down a little bit 903 00:43:45.369 --> 00:43:48.510 because it's wide and maybe people won't notice. 904 00:43:48.630 --> 00:43:49.730 That is what I think happened. 905 00:43:50.150 --> 00:43:52.309 I think it's both. I mean, I think it's a 906 00:43:52.349 --> 00:43:54.719 stylistic choice they made that also helped to the right. 907 00:43:54.739 --> 00:43:56.599 I think it's a stylistic choice because they were backed 908 00:43:56.619 --> 00:43:57.099 into a corner. 909 00:43:57.460 --> 00:43:57.760 Yeah. 910 00:43:57.860 --> 00:43:59.840 I mean, that is what I think is what happened. 911 00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:00.579 Yeah. 912 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.800 It's because they did not have a script supervisor because 913 00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:06.500 the script supervisor, their job is to count the minutes 914 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.480 on like how long we are in the show. 915 00:44:08.539 --> 00:44:08.760 Yeah. 916 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.389 But they could have. But it also could have been that, 917 00:44:11.590 --> 00:44:14.349 you know, some scene got fucked up or they didn't, 918 00:44:14.469 --> 00:44:14.690 you know. 919 00:44:14.730 --> 00:44:14.989 Yeah. 920 00:44:17.650 --> 00:44:20.090 They cut something out and they're like, we just stretch 921 00:44:20.110 --> 00:44:21.030 it a couple more seconds. 922 00:44:21.050 --> 00:44:23.170 And they were like doing that kind of like as 923 00:44:23.210 --> 00:44:23.630 we go. 924 00:44:23.989 --> 00:44:28.760 And I think it's halfway cool and halfway dopey. 925 00:44:28.940 --> 00:44:32.280 I wonder what kind of shooting schedule. Nine days, maybe, 926 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:33.159 maybe two weeks. 927 00:44:33.179 --> 00:44:36.119 Yeah, longer than that, but not long. 928 00:44:36.179 --> 00:44:37.039 At least two weeks. 929 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.739 Usually movie of the weeks were like two week budget, 930 00:44:39.820 --> 00:44:40.550 two week schedules. 931 00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:45.219 Um, I mean, that makes sense. Cause like, uh, you know, 932 00:44:45.260 --> 00:44:47.699 a week, week ish for episode. 933 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:49.639 I would say six day weeks probably. 934 00:44:49.699 --> 00:44:52.340 But

probably. Yeah. It's all location. 935 00:44:52.579 --> 00:44:53.039 Yeah. 936 00:44:53.420 --> 00:44:55.300 Yeah. The location. 937 00:44:55.469 --> 00:44:57.869 My favorite bit is I like the fact that they 938 00:44:57.949 --> 00:44:59.369 use a roadside attraction. 939 00:44:59.730 --> 00:45:00.010 Yes. 940 00:45:00.630 --> 00:45:03.809 As, as well as gathering point for, to get the mood, 941 00:45:04.170 --> 00:45:07.130 the whole thing going. I like, cause you always drive 942 00:45:07.170 --> 00:45:11.019 past these mystery holes or mystery spots and look, And 943 00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.260 think about these things. And sometimes, especially if you're doing 944 00:45:14.300 --> 00:45:17.349 a drive across country and you're just trying to keep 945 00:45:17.369 --> 00:45:21.110 yourself awake, you'll go into them to see the weird 946 00:45:21.849 --> 00:45:24.329 O's that run this place and what's going on. 947 00:45:24.409 --> 00:45:26.389 So I do like the whole. 948 00:45:26.409 --> 00:45:29.980 Willie and his, here's all my oddities and I've got 949 00:45:30.019 --> 00:45:33.340 a crazy gargoyle skeleton in here. 950 00:45:33.829 --> 00:45:34.250 Absolutely. 951 00:45:34.349 --> 00:45:37.590 And I mean, this is also a very like early seventies. 952 00:45:37.969 --> 00:45:40.219 I mean, in dual, there's a, you know, there's a 953 00:45:40.570 --> 00:45:44.460 roadside thing with snakes and stuff and like, it's, it 954 00:45:44.500 --> 00:45:46.380 comes up a lot. It's, it's, but it, but it, 955 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:47.900 you know, that's fun stuff. 956 00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:48.480 Yeah. 957 00:45:48.500 --> 00:45:50.980 The desolate road. I mean, no, the mysteries of when 958 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.019 there's no, you know, streetlights over the expressway and it's 959 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:58.289 just this open emptiness and everything. No, I, I, I'm 960 00:45:58.309 --> 00:46:00.190 sure I've told you guys before. Again, if I could 961 00:46:00.210 --> 00:46:03.460 draw like most of the people in this conversation, I, uh, 962 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.949 I would do Supernatural stuff set in the Southwest and 963 00:46:07.340 --> 00:46:10.489 set it in the 50s for a couple like honky-tonk 964 00:46:10.550 --> 00:46:13.570 kind of country singers that are just going from honky-tonk 965 00:46:13.590 --> 00:46:14.289 to honky-tonk. 966 00:46:15.469 --> 00:46:18.550 Are you making this? 967 00:46:19.289 --> 00:46:20.929 I mean, you know, audio drama. 968 00:46:21.110 --> 00:46:21.630 Think about it. 969 00:46:22.630 --> 00:46:24.909 Use the things you do. 970 00:46:25.449 --> 00:46:28.920 Are you saying something that employs Buck Owens and that 971 00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:31.320 Bakersfield sound combined with sci-fi? 972 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:33.860 I'm on board. 973 00:46:35.539 --> 00:46:39.429 I just saw Merle Haggard, I believe, imitating Buck Owens 974 00:46:39.530 --> 00:46:42.150 on an old Glen Campbell rerun. And it was

so 975 00:46:42.210 --> 00:46:46.170 great hearing that wonderful Bakersfield country sound coming out of 976 00:46:46.190 --> 00:46:49.820 somebody other than Buck Owens. And it was so great, man. 977 00:46:49.889 --> 00:46:52.980 Call your thing the Bakersfield sound and then have the 978 00:46:53.059 --> 00:46:54.699 sound be something disturbing. 979 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:57.559 You know, like it's not country music. 980 00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:59.840 There's some weird sound out there in the. 981 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:02.699 you know, outside of Bakersfield. It turned out it was 982 00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:04.760 just the buckaroos. They were out there. 983 00:47:04.780 --> 00:47:07.320 The buckaroos are going to figure it out. 984 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:08.340 Oh, those boys. 985 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.460 Very funny. 986 00:47:11.219 --> 00:47:15.000 One thing in here that I'm, okay, so part of 987 00:47:15.019 --> 00:47:18.079 the problem for me is I'm watching this and I'm 988 00:47:18.139 --> 00:47:23.510 turning against the humans along the way, right? Like the, he, 989 00:47:24.369 --> 00:47:28.469 Cornel Wilde, Steele takes the dead body of one of 990 00:47:28.510 --> 00:47:33.130 these these gargoyles, holds on to it, refuses to give 991 00:47:33.170 --> 00:47:34.530 it back for no. 992 00:47:34.570 --> 00:47:36.130 Good reason at all. Right. 993 00:47:36.210 --> 00:47:38.429 I mean, is there a good reason why he holds 994 00:47:38.489 --> 00:47:40.869 on to that thing and he wants to put people 995 00:47:40.889 --> 00:47:41.309 in peril? 996 00:47:41.730 --> 00:47:46.119 Yeah, I assume evidence to to. prove that this. 997 00:47:45.579 --> 00:47:50.159 They're attacking them and like it's it's an imminent threat 998 00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:52.489 i mean there's probably other ways that you could get 999 00:47:52.949 --> 00:47:55.050 you know this evidence i don't know like with a 1000 00:47:55.550 --> 00:47:57.730 camera or something our good. 1001 00:47:57.630 --> 00:48:01.880 Friend and sometimes uh a guest on this show matt 1002 00:48:01.909 --> 00:48:06.460 maxwell brought this up uh yesterday where he's talking about 1003 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:10.590 the difference between monster movies and horror movies And he's like, 1004 00:48:10.610 --> 00:48:14.429 in a monster movie, you're sympathetic or empathetic with the monster. 1005 00:48:14.929 --> 00:48:19.340 Yeah. And this kind of gets you there. It dodges 1006 00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:22.460 back and forth a little bit, but ultimately, you're kind 1007 00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:25.139 of rooting for the gargoyles. Yeah, I guess so. 1008 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.059 I mean, I think, I guess that, I mean, it's, 1009 00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.920 I'm perfectly fine with that being the thing, you know, 1010 00:48:30.980 --> 00:48:34.019 that we're, that our loyalties shift to the gargoyles over 1011 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.139 the course of it. But, I mean, I think that 1012 00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:40.449 he behaves in a, you know, like, a pretty self-defeating 1013 00:48:40.510 --> 00:48:41.730 way a lot of the time. 1014 00:48:42.150 --> 00:48:45.929 Well, yeah, if he'd stick to his guns on something, maybe. 1015 00:48:46.699 --> 00:48:46.949 Yeah. 1016 00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:50.500 Um, but you know, I think it's super fun though. 1017 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:54.980 I mean, I, I don't, it's disjointed certainly. Uh, but, uh, 1018 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.599 but I do think it's a really fun, worth watching 1019 00:48:58.639 --> 00:48:59.199 type of movie. 1020 00:48:59.559 --> 00:48:59.780 Yeah. 1021 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:00.139 Oh yeah. 1022 00:49:00.179 --> 00:49:02.079 Like you, you rank this up there. 1023 00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.730 If you're going to watch early seventies TV horror, you know, 1024 00:49:05.809 --> 00:49:08.250 and of course you'd probably get the trilogy of terror. 1025 00:49:08.710 --> 00:49:11.460 Yeah. And, And this would go good with it. And 1026 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:12.690 what's another one? 1027 00:49:14.530 --> 00:49:17.010 Well, you know, somebody's watching me. Yeah. 1028 00:49:17.030 --> 00:49:17.150 Yeah. 1029 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.940 Night stalkers before this series yeah. 1030 00:49:24.059 --> 00:49:26.820 I would say night stalker from a monster standpoint and 1031 00:49:26.860 --> 00:49:29.880 then maybe it's funny gabe and i were discussing possibly 1032 00:49:29.900 --> 00:49:34.420 uh the um jack palance uh jekyll and hyde or dracula. 1033 00:49:34.099 --> 00:49:37.059 Oh right yeah okay yeah yeah yeah. 1034 00:49:37.570 --> 00:49:40.369 And also Trilogy of Terror, you know, Karen Black's, or 1035 00:49:40.409 --> 00:49:41.929 the doll, the devil doll. 1036 00:49:42.769 --> 00:49:45.769 Yeah, Dan Curtis did the first Night Stalker, and he 1037 00:49:45.809 --> 00:49:47.250 did a lot of, I mean, he also, he did 1038 00:49:48.289 --> 00:49:50.030 Dark Shadows, but then he was doing a lot of these. 1039 00:49:51.070 --> 00:49:53.550 I guess Darren McGavin could not stand Dan Curtis. 1040 00:49:54.190 --> 00:49:55.469 Oh, yeah, he was not a part of it. 1041 00:49:55.869 --> 00:49:58.389 That's why he had to back off, even though creating, 1042 00:49:58.969 --> 00:50:00.170 you know, the template and everything. 1043 00:50:00.389 --> 00:50:00.949 Yeah, right. 1044 00:50:02.250 --> 00:50:04.750 But yeah, yeah, no, and Night Stalker is certainly on 1045 00:50:04.769 --> 00:50:07.190 my list of great 70s horror movies and stuff. 1046 00:50:07.750 --> 00:50:10.150 Yeah, I like it a lot. Yeah, very much so. 1047 00:50:10.190 --> 00:50:14.329 Yeah, there's great Blu-rays that I think Arrow or Kino did. 1048 00:50:14.630 --> 00:50:15.239 Kino, I believe. 1049 00:50:15.260 --> 00:50:18.719 Yeah, Sean Phillips did the covers. And they are great. 1050 00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:19.940 Check those out. 1051 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.500 My buddy Doug Klaba did the painted covers for

the 1052 00:50:23.539 --> 00:50:27.349 Moonstone comics. They had the license and everything. I don't 1053 00:50:27.369 --> 00:50:29.860 know if he... Gabe, I know you were involved with 1054 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:33.070 that Kolchak 50th anniversary anthology. 1055 00:50:33.130 --> 00:50:35.090 Yeah, I did an eight-page story for it. 1056 00:50:35.130 --> 00:50:36.610 Yeah. It was fun. 1057 00:50:36.769 --> 00:50:38.369 It was actually a lot of fun. I really enjoyed 1058 00:50:38.389 --> 00:50:43.219 that a lot. You know, like, set it in California 1059 00:50:43.300 --> 00:50:45.739 in the 70s and stuff. I mean, like, you know, 1060 00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:47.260 we took him to the. 1061 00:50:51.130 --> 00:50:52.489 you know, the. 1062 00:50:52.550 --> 00:50:56.949 Trailer part thing in Malibu, you know, where that's in 1063 00:50:57.070 --> 00:50:59.119 like Rockford Files and shit like that, you know. 1064 00:50:59.139 --> 00:50:59.840 Oh, okay. 1065 00:51:00.139 --> 00:51:05.679 You know, and also there's a, also an episode, the 1066 00:51:05.699 --> 00:51:08.909 first episode of Alpha Hitchcock Presents that Hitchcock directed is 1067 00:51:08.929 --> 00:51:09.239 set there. 1068 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:14.429 But, you know, stuff like that. References to 70s type stuff. 1069 00:51:15.210 --> 00:51:15.449 Cool. 1070 00:51:15.469 --> 00:51:15.789 LA stuff. 1071 00:51:16.869 --> 00:51:20.329 But I don't know anything about the beyond that, though. 1072 00:51:20.389 --> 00:51:23.230 I just did my story and turned it in. 1073 00:51:23.369 --> 00:51:26.030 That was a very John Ford-like answer from you. Thanks. 1074 00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:28.539 I think we should really comment. 1075 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.340 On Gabe's lighting tonight, because I think it was.... 1076 00:51:37.489 --> 00:51:40.550 Incredibly apropos we haven't actually talked about it yet yeah. 1077 00:51:40.329 --> 00:51:43.670 Well look this is what i did the when uh 1078 00:51:43.690 --> 00:51:47.349 when i can i like to create an atmosphere that 1079 00:51:47.670 --> 00:51:50.070 uh you know that that uh fits the tone of 1080 00:51:50.090 --> 00:51:52.429 the thing we're talking about i mean it's too dark 1081 00:51:52.449 --> 00:51:54.210 to tell but i'm wearing a suit from and tie 1082 00:51:54.230 --> 00:51:56.789 from the 70s as well so uh oh nice yeah 1083 00:51:57.429 --> 00:51:59.750 you know i'm trying to trying to uh to keep 1084 00:51:59.789 --> 00:52:00.849 it all consistent. 1085 00:52:01.550 --> 00:52:05.769 Gabe cornell wilde great 50s uh noir uh anything on 1086 00:52:05.789 --> 00:52:06.210 the mind. 1087 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:11.710 I mean, well, I mean, he's, uh, he's in, uh, well, 1088 00:52:12.449 --> 00:52:17.590 one of the, the great, uh, color noir lever to heaven, uh, the, uh, 1089 00:52:17.710 --> 00:52:22.690 which I a hundred percent, uh, think everybody should check out, uh, um, 1090 00:52:23.010 --> 00:52:26.389 based on a pretty interesting

novel as well. Uh, he, but, 1091 00:52:26.610 --> 00:52:29.280 and he's, I believe he's in, uh, strange love of 1092 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:34.530 Martha Ivers. Um, which is, uh, you know, it's another 1093 00:52:34.590 --> 00:52:38.050 one of those noirs that people, uh, yeah, it's like 1094 00:52:38.070 --> 00:52:38.889 a public domain one. 1095 00:52:38.929 --> 00:52:41.610 So is it called roadhouse? The one with Ida Lupino? 1096 00:52:41.650 --> 00:52:42.349 Yeah, that's right. 1097 00:52:42.530 --> 00:52:46.050 Roadhouse as well. Uh, yeah, not the Patrick Swayze movie, 1098 00:52:46.090 --> 00:52:46.849 but no, no, no. 1099 00:52:46.949 --> 00:52:47.309 Yeah. 1100 00:52:47.349 --> 00:52:51.829 Ida Lupino's in it. Uh, um, yeah, he like, he 1101 00:52:51.949 --> 00:52:55.639 has a sort of a noir connections. I mean, but, uh, 1102 00:52:56.210 --> 00:52:58.969 of those, I think that, uh, um, lever to heaven 1103 00:52:59.010 --> 00:53:00.579 is the one that I, I recommend. 1104 00:53:00.820 --> 00:53:03.000 Yeah. But he's good. And, uh, honestly, I saw, I 1105 00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:05.360 saw a roadhouse last year in the noir. 1106 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:07.800 Uh, uh, city festival. Oh, it's a good movie. I 1107 00:53:07.900 --> 00:53:08.579 enjoy that. 1108 00:53:08.900 --> 00:53:11.280 I mean, really. And Lupino is great at it. And 1109 00:53:11.420 --> 00:53:15.789 Widmark is, uh, properly crazy in that kind of, uh, 1110 00:53:16.230 --> 00:53:18.289 in the same way that he is in, uh, Oh God. 1111 00:53:18.309 --> 00:53:21.750 The one with Victor mature. Uh, yeah. Uh, uh, kiss 1112 00:53:21.789 --> 00:53:22.070 of death. 1113 00:53:22.389 --> 00:53:22.889 Kiss of death. 1114 00:53:22.929 --> 00:53:27.300 Thank you. Yeah. Um, Yeah. But yeah. 1115 00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:31.599 Ah, Jika Rojo tells us that there's a Criterion sale 1116 00:53:31.619 --> 00:53:32.400 going on right now. 1117 00:53:33.219 --> 00:53:34.820 Oh, that's true. It's a 24-hour sale. 1118 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.280 So if you want to pick up Lever to Heaven, 1119 00:53:38.300 --> 00:53:40.079 there's a great Criterion disc of that. 1120 00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:42.179 Oh, that's funny. 1121 00:53:42.219 --> 00:53:44.719 Camper asks if Kolchak and Kojak ever teamed up. 1122 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:45.239 They did not. 1123 00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:49.039 Missed opportunity. 1124 00:53:49.059 --> 00:53:49.199 Yeah. 1125 00:53:53.250 --> 00:53:56.389 It's a new book coming out from dynamite guys. 1126 00:53:56.889 --> 00:53:59.150 No, but if you want to see a really good 1127 00:53:59.210 --> 00:54:03.690 horror movie with Telly Savalas, uh, watch the horror. 1128 00:54:03.429 --> 00:54:06.710 Express or express. Yeah. Right. It's a, that would be 1129 00:54:06.750 --> 00:54:08.730 a great one to talk about because. 1130 00:54:08.769 --> 00:54:15.320 I mean, it's, it's written by Richard Matheson. It's, uh, it, 1131 00:54:15.539 --> 00:54:21.599 it's got, uh, um, suddenly blanked on his name. 1132 00:54:22.019 --> 00:54:32.400 Um, Well, it's Christopher Lee, right? Peter Cushing. 1133 00:54:32.619 --> 00:54:33.840 Peter Cushing, God. 1134 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:36.639 Peter Cushing is one of. 1135 00:54:36.619 --> 00:54:41.119 My literal top actors. I love Peter Cushing. He's the 1136 00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:45.849 most committed actor ever. He never isn't committed to no 1137 00:54:45.889 --> 00:54:47.889 matter what the project, no matter how junky it is. 1138 00:54:47.929 --> 00:54:50.730 He was committed in Rogue One. He didn't even show up. 1139 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:52.920 Yeah, well. 1140 00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:56.340 I actually like that movie, but that's horrific. 1141 00:54:56.860 --> 00:54:58.360 I'm guessing you guys have done a bunch of the 1142 00:54:58.380 --> 00:54:59.920 Hammer movies, right? 1143 00:54:59.980 --> 00:55:00.840 No, not really. 1144 00:55:01.010 --> 00:55:04.510 Well, John's scared of Hammer movies. 1145 00:55:04.530 --> 00:55:07.710 But the Hammer movies with Peter Cushing are not scary. 1146 00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:11.789 I actually love that stuff, but I feel like it 1147 00:55:11.809 --> 00:55:15.460 just doesn't... You know, John is not as into horror stuff, 1148 00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:17.039 and so we don't really end up covering it. It's 1149 00:55:17.059 --> 00:55:17.820 just true, John. 1150 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:19.300 I don't really like horror stuff. 1151 00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:21.400 Honestly, I like... No, I like. 1152 00:55:21.739 --> 00:55:22.320 I honestly like. 1153 00:55:22.340 --> 00:55:23.619 The irony, right? 1154 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:28.179 I honestly like Universal and all the Atomic Monster movies 1155 00:55:28.659 --> 00:55:29.639 and the Hammer movies. 1156 00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:30.269 Right. 1157 00:55:30.650 --> 00:55:36.130 And even into Bava and... What's his face? Sargento. But no, 1158 00:55:36.230 --> 00:55:39.489 it's post-Exorcist. That's when I am like, all right, that's 1159 00:55:39.550 --> 00:55:42.329 too scary for me. But also, Al, you got to realize... 1160 00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.639 that of course the Hammer movies, everyone knows the Hammer movies, 1161 00:55:44.949 --> 00:55:47.800 the conceit of scene missing is to point people to 1162 00:55:47.829 --> 00:55:49.989 the obscure movies that don't get the love. 1163 00:55:50.010 --> 00:55:53.269 Well, but there's a bunch of obscure Hammer movies. 1164 00:55:53.510 --> 00:55:55.789 Rasputin, The Mad Monk, or. 1165 00:55:57.409 --> 00:56:04.250 Like The Foresighted Triangle, or there's all sorts of. 1166 00:56:04.269 --> 00:56:07.150 Theater of Blood even. Is it Theater of Blood, the 1167 00:56:07.289 --> 00:56:07.929 Vincent Price one? 1168 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:11.039 It's not a hammer. 1169 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.800 I think that's the AIP movie, but the, um, Oh, 1170 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.949 that's right. Uh, and, but like, uh, there's, there's all 1171 00:56:19.030 -->

00:56:22.449 sorts of interesting hammer movies. Like the, uh, the, there's like, 1172 00:56:22.849 --> 00:56:26.309 they did a bunch of thrillers that, and, uh, that, 1173 00:56:26.389 --> 00:56:28.329 that are kind of stylish sort of thrillers. 1174 00:56:28.550 --> 00:56:28.750 Sure. 1175 00:56:28.869 --> 00:56:33.820 Uh, there's a movie, um, uh, Oh, uh, these are 1176 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.699 the damned, uh, that, uh, Jeff and I used to 1177 00:56:36.739 --> 00:56:39.739 talk about that title all the time. Uh, and, uh, 1178 00:56:39.949 --> 00:56:42.809 like it's, uh, Joseph Losey directed it, who directed the 1179 00:56:42.869 --> 00:56:44.989 Prowler and he got blacklisted and he had to go 1180 00:56:45.010 --> 00:56:49.570 to Europe then ended up, you know, uh, like, uh, making, 1181 00:56:49.849 --> 00:56:51.869 and then, and then made like one of my, one, 1182 00:56:51.929 --> 00:56:54.389 I think more of the best movies ever made the servant, uh, 1183 00:56:54.429 --> 00:56:57.050 that Harold Pinter wrote. And, uh, you know, and like, 1184 00:56:57.739 --> 00:57:02.719 There's tons of interesting Hammer stuff that isn't necessarily obvious things. 1185 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.110 I think a lot of people don't know about those movies, 1186 00:57:06.289 --> 00:57:07.510 to be honest. 1187 00:57:07.809 --> 00:57:14.570 Paul Cornell also just wrapped up an extensive Hammer film podcast. 1188 00:57:14.670 --> 00:57:20.780 One of the best non-horror Hammer films does have a 1189 00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:23.420 great starring role for Peter Cushing. It's called Catch on 1190 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:24.400 Demand from 1961. 1191 00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:24.599 Oh, yeah. 1192 00:57:25.949 --> 00:57:28.829 Which is that, you know, everybody, at least for like 1193 00:57:28.869 --> 00:57:31.670 a few years ago, thought they were so smart saying 1194 00:57:31.710 --> 00:57:34.630 that Die Hard is secretly a Christmas movie. This is 1195 00:57:34.829 --> 00:57:41.230 secretly a Christmas movie. Because it's a great tete-a-tete between 1196 00:57:42.610 --> 00:57:48.619 Cushing and then Andre Morel. And Peter Cushing is a... 1197 00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:54.519 An Ebenezer Scrooge-ish bank manager, and he is completely unsympathetic 1198 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.860 at the start. And as things go on, your sympathies 1199 00:57:58.739 --> 00:58:03.380 may change and go backwards. And it's a really fun movie. 1200 00:58:03.460 --> 00:58:05.659 It is a fun movie. I don't know if it's 1201 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:06.980 available streaming or not. 1202 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:11.619 There's a Hammer DVD set of Hammer crime stuff, and 1203 00:58:11.659 --> 00:58:13.460 it's part of that that's out there. 1204 00:58:14.030 --> 00:58:17.570 Horror Express, by the way, is not a Hammer movie. Oh, yeah. 1205 00:58:17.630 --> 00:58:18.929 Is it really? Is it Amicus? 1206 00:58:18.949 --> 00:58:23.010 What was that rival? It was like a European movie 1207 00:58:23.030 --> 00:58:23.650 or something, right? 1208 00:58:23.730 --> 00:58:26.010 Well, wasn't that a rival British studio that was really 1209 00:58:26.070 --> 00:58:27.739 kind of trying to ape the Hammer? 1210 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.780 Yeah, Amicus was the rival British studio. I think Horror 1211 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.199 Express may have been like what made in Europe or something, though, right? 1212 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:38.280 It may have been sort of United Artists kind of thing. 1213 00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:38.780 Yeah. 1214 00:58:41.309 --> 00:58:44.949 This reminds me, like, one of my studio mates, Matthew Bogart, 1215 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.900 today was just leaving. Like, yep, some friends of mine 1216 00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:50.730 are going to watch The Wicker Man. I've never watched it. 1217 00:58:50.739 --> 00:58:52.719 And I'm like, oh, God, I can't wait until he 1218 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:57.380 comes in tomorrow. Yeah. Like, wasn't it amazing? Yeah. 1219 00:58:58.039 --> 00:58:59.000 Wait, which Wicker Man? 1220 00:58:59.860 --> 00:59:03.329 Yeah, did you clarify? Why do you do this? 1221 00:59:04.389 --> 00:59:08.269 I always said when Encore would say, hey, get Carter's on. 1222 00:59:08.449 --> 00:59:09.949 Oh, it's the slow-mo. It's the slow-mo. 1223 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:10.940 Jeff's buzz. 1224 00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:12.880 The Italian job. 1225 00:59:12.980 --> 00:59:13.280 Yeah, exactly. 1226 00:59:13.300 --> 00:59:16.480 Oh, it's the Wahlberg Italian job. 1227 00:59:16.860 --> 00:59:17.800 Oh, OK. 1228 00:59:19.139 --> 00:59:20.050 Oh, well. Yeah. 1229 00:59:20.070 --> 00:59:20.710 Hilarious. 1230 00:59:21.789 --> 00:59:22.730 Too funny, boys and girls. 1231 00:59:22.750 --> 00:59:25.650 Very, very funny. Okay, well, did we do this? 1232 00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:27.519 Yeah, I think we did this. 1233 00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:28.659 Yeah, I think we did good. 1234 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:31.059 This is almost as long as the thing is. They 1235 00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:32.380 can watch Garfield. 1236 00:59:32.420 --> 00:59:33.880 That's as long as the movie, exactly. 1237 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:34.860 Yeah. 1238 00:59:36.619 --> 00:59:39.539 So, yeah, again, would we all say this is a recommended? 1239 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:41.440 I would recommend it, absolutely. 1240 00:59:41.539 --> 00:59:42.820 It's not that long. 1241 00:59:42.909 --> 00:59:43.449 It's an hour. 1242 00:59:43.610 --> 00:59:44.280 It's not long. 1243 00:59:44.300 --> 00:59:45.610 It's an hour and 15 minutes. 1244 00:59:45.969 --> 00:59:50.349 You can enjoy the oddball cosmology of it, the goofy 1245 00:59:51.130 --> 00:59:55.789 but also kind of cool costumes. Or you could, you know, 1246 00:59:55.809 --> 01:00:01.130 it can be campily entertaining as well. It's pretty fun. 1247 01:00:01.150 --> 01:00:04.500 I think it's campily entertaining. I think you could, you know. 1248 01:00:05.929 --> 01:00:07.369 Like, we used to do drunk tweets.

I think it's 1249 01:00:07.409 --> 01:00:09.150 a good drunk tweet movie, to be honest. 1250 01:00:09.590 --> 01:00:12.110 Yeah. Yeah. 1251 01:00:12.610 --> 01:00:13.789 We were all still on Twitter. 1252 01:00:14.449 --> 01:00:16.289 Yeah. 1253 01:00:16.690 --> 01:00:18.269 Those days are gone. I know. 1254 01:00:18.309 --> 01:00:18.789 It's sad. 1255 01:00:21.070 --> 01:00:23.139 Oh, the Gus Van Sant psycho. 1256 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:25.159 Oh, boy. Right. 1257 01:00:25.619 --> 01:00:30.519 So, yeah. Now, John is asking, are we finally getting 1258 01:00:30.579 --> 01:00:32.039 to Burl Ives next week? 1259 01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:33.699 I will. 1260 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:39.809 I look, I have. I'm excited about the Burl Ives show. 1261 01:00:39.989 --> 01:00:43.530 I've been doing some Burl Ives research. I've been watching 1262 01:00:43.550 --> 01:00:46.570 some Burl Ives movies. I think that it's something that 1263 01:00:46.610 --> 01:00:47.739 we need to commit to at some point. 1264 01:00:48.929 --> 01:00:50.769 That and Jack Webb are the two that are waiting 1265 01:00:50.809 --> 01:00:51.269 for us, I guess. 1266 01:00:51.329 --> 01:00:52.360 Yeah, that's true. 1267 01:00:52.489 --> 01:00:55.699 I mean, like, Burl Ives has been waiting around longer. 1268 01:00:55.780 --> 01:00:59.480 And even though I drew a little drawing for Jack Webb, 1269 01:00:59.860 --> 01:01:03.659 I'm excited to draw Burl Ives. Excellent. And I think 1270 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:06.659 that that's something that we can focus on next, if 1271 01:01:06.699 --> 01:01:06.980 you want. 1272 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.380 Well, and it makes sense for the holiday season with 1273 01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:11.360 the Rudolph special coming up, as it were. 1274 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.510 Yeah, that's true. That's true. 1275 01:01:13.590 --> 01:01:17.090 And yeah, so no, I think so. I know in particular, again, 1276 01:01:17.130 --> 01:01:20.219 everybody on Tubi... we're really going to focus on the 1277 01:01:20.260 --> 01:01:23.900 big country where Ives won the Oscar, a great Western, 1278 01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:26.739 great Gregory Peck Western, but also Chuck Connors is in 1279 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:31.639 the movie. It's a cool kind of sprawling 50s Western. And, 1280 01:01:31.900 --> 01:01:33.340 you know, of course, we'll talk Ken on a hot 1281 01:01:33.389 --> 01:01:36.510 tin roof and Rudolph will come up. But also, I 1282 01:01:36.650 --> 01:01:39.309 don't know if they're still up on YouTube, but I 1283 01:01:39.349 --> 01:01:44.309 certainly watched them. His NBC wheel show, The Bold Ones, 1284 01:01:44.769 --> 01:01:47.880 which was like the NBC mystery movie, with McMillan and 1285 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:54.500 Colombo and all those things, McLeod. But it was lawyers, doctors, 1286 01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:59.530 and for a season, Hal Holbrook as a politician, the senator, 1287 01:01:59.869 --> 01:02:03.050 was also part of that bold one's wheel. But The 1288 01:02:03.469 --> 01:02:04.710 Lawyers was Burl. 1289 01:02:04.570 --> 01:02:05.010 Ives' show. 1290 01:02:05.110 --> 01:02:06.730 So that'll be fun to talk about that as well. 1291 01:02:06.769 --> 01:02:07.429 Right. Yeah. 1292 01:02:07.510 --> 01:02:10.280 I mean, and I feel like I watched a late 1293 01:02:10.340 --> 01:02:11.969 Burl Ives that was very sleazy. 1294 01:02:12.090 --> 01:02:12.389 Oh, yeah. 1295 01:02:12.610 --> 01:02:18.019 His last movie, Two Moon Junction, like with Sherilyn Fenn 1296 01:02:18.099 --> 01:02:18.920 from Twin Peaks. 1297 01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:20.059 Solomon King. 1298 01:02:20.420 --> 01:02:23.849 It's a Solomon King softcore movie with Burl Ives in it. 1299 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:26.900 So I'm definitely talking about that. 1300 01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.780 Or no, am I confusing Two Moon Junction with Late Consequences, 1301 01:02:29.820 --> 01:02:30.300 Billy Zane? 1302 01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:34.440 No, it's not Billy Zane, but it is Almond King. 1303 01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:38.219 No, I realize that, and it is absolutely Sherilyn Fenn. 1304 01:02:38.820 --> 01:02:42.559 The guy in it was a piece of cardboard. 1305 01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:48.659 I have no fucking idea who he was. That is 1306 01:02:48.699 --> 01:02:49.219 a good title. 1307 01:02:50.260 --> 01:02:51.219 Burl Ives Burlesque. 1308 01:02:51.579 --> 01:02:52.119 Sure, yeah. 1309 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.159 All right, so look, I think we've talked ourselves into 1310 01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:57.420 Burl Ives, so everybody's got a lot of work to do. 1311 01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.880 All right. There we go, everybody. 1312 01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:03.260 Well, again, it's on Tubi. If you haven't seen Gargoyles, 1313 01:03:03.980 --> 01:03:05.909 it is there waiting for you. And we hope you 1314 01:03:05.929 --> 01:03:09.110 enjoyed this edition of Seen Missing. And we'll see who 1315 01:03:09.349 --> 01:03:12.929 joins us next month for Burl Ives and the big country. 1316 01:03:13.329 --> 01:03:14.469 Who will survive? 1317 01:03:14.489 --> 01:03:15.630 Join us and find out. 1318 01:03:15.650 --> 01:03:16.570 What will become of them? 1319 01:03:17.329 --> 01:03:21.139 Absolutely. Until next time, everybody, stay safe, stay happy, stay healthy. 1320 01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:23.300 Thank you.