บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ June Stratton (Figurative Painter): Process, Studio Practice & Painting the Human Form

00:02:12.639 where I spent my let's say, from the fourth grade 38 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:17.879 to the end of high school. There were more cows 39 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.800 in Danville back then than there were people, So I 40 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.599 guess I'm used to being out in the wilds. 41 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:26.240 What were you doing as a child? 42 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:29.199 Was doing as a child? 43 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:29.919 I was. 44 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:34.199 I was just telling my husband, I've never mowed a lawn, 45 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:37.800 but I was the housekeeper for the house. But I 46 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:41.400 enjoyed being sent to my room because that meant I 47 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:48.159 could play with my pencils. I could make things. I 48 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:53.439 could I used to make little animals I could play with. 49 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:56.639 I was never cleaning my room like I was supposed 50 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:58.560 to be. I was creating. 51 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:01.840 Never did what you're supposed to be doing. But you 52 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:04.599 were a creative child then, from an early age were. 53 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:12.360 You very And I was encouraged by my worst and 54 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:16.439 best critic would have been my grandmother Stratton, and they 55 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:22.039 lived in Berkeley, and I enjoyed visiting with her. There's 56 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:24.319 a story I like to tell about how I was 57 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:28.560 drawing birds in my mind. I was not allowed to 58 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.080 have crowns, by the way, because they thought as were 59 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:37.520 not real art materials or coloring books, because they wanted 60 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:41.919 you to create your own images, which sounds cruel, but 61 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:48.039 you know, I learned to love pencils at in early age. 62 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:53.319 But I was drawing birds like children do, with sort 63 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:59.080 of a dot in the middle into eyebrow wings. And 64 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:03.159 she looked at it, went and grabbed the Audubon book 65 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.680 and slapped it down next to me and said, you 66 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:12.479 need to look at birds. So from then on, I 67 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.039 looked at birds. I guess what she was trying to 68 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:21.680 teach me is to work from reference, which is interesting 69 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:29.040 because I naturally like to draw representational things. But in 70 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:34.639 a way, it kind of blocked my childlike creativity. I 71 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:39.040 don't know how you would how you would talk about that, 72 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:48.839 but I learned to look and she became well. They 73 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:52.319 always encouraged me to draw. You know, I was at 74 00:04:52.360 -->

00:04:53.839 cocktail hour. I was drawing. 75 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.519 But you also faced with dyslexia as a child. How 76 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:01.839 did that hamper you and interfere with your artistic development? 77 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:10.600 I actually think it helped my artistic development a lot, 78 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:18.079 because when you're dyslexic, you actually have to learn how 79 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:23.399 to get around things, how to solve problems, not in 80 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:30.800 a straightforward way, so I had to make things up 81 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:35.240 as I went along. I think that I got passed 82 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:40.240 on from class to class because I was a polite, 83 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:49.920 small child, and the school classes were very large for 84 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.759 the ratio to students to teachers weren't very good, and 85 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:59.680 we had to share desks, which is how I met 86 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.959 my best friend in high school, Lorie Lee Larson. We 87 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.519 shared a desk and start giggling and getting in trouble. 88 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:08.639 Oh yeah, I. 89 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:10.879 Don't see her very often. She's still on the West Coast. 90 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:14.199 I have a couple of West Coast friends that I'm 91 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:18.600 close with, But you know, it's really hard to keep 92 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:22.800 up when there's a three hour difference, which seems I mean, 93 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.639 I'm sure you keeping in touch with people in Europe 94 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:33.040 and that's a six hour difference. It's hard. So she 95 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:35.319 kind of helped me through. I would copy her papers 96 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:40.199 to math papers, especially because I'm not good with numbers, 97 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.360 and I was especially a bad at spelling. A great 98 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:51.920 handwriting at the time, not anymore. But getting through school 99 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:56.560 was the hard part. I did not enjoy school at all. 100 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:01.360 If there was a way I could do a project 101 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:06.279 that would involve drawing my way out of something, I 102 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.759 would do that, like for a creative writing class. I 103 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.800 did a little in high school. I did a little 104 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:22.199 book that was sort of looked like Ziggie, but all 105 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:28.600 my misspellings were meant to be kind of This character 106 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:34.319 lived on the page, so he would walk around the 107 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:38.800 page and there was a line at the bottom of 108 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:42.240 the page that he would walk along. And he was 109 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:46.000 very lonely, which I mean. I had a few friends, 110 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.120 but I always felt like the geek in high school 111 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:52.000 or even before then. I could tell you many stories 112 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:56.439 of being harassed. It was kind of geeky for most 113 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:01.519 of my school year. But anyway, so this carecter Fred 114 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:07.399 decided to make himself a friend. So he pushed the 115 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:13.519 line at the bottom and it went up into a balloon, 116 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.040 and then I colored it with all kinds of color 117 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.519 and it came down looking just like him. And then 118 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:27.319 he said, oh my god, you're colored, which was relevant 119 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:29.800 to the time because the time they we're doing, you know, 120 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:37.279 bussing and things like that, and the friend started to cry. 121 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.519 Fred gives him a hug, and I think the end 122 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:46.039 line was something like Fred makes a friend side by side. 123 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:50.200 It's difficult to describe, but anyway, I got an A 124 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:52.480 for that creative writing. 125 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:55.919 Well look at you. I mean, did you think about 126 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:59.919 going into animation then? And cartoon? 127 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:10.759 No, I was much more into Raphael Caravaggio. He had 128 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:15.919 bigger ambitions than that. And besides, my cartoon was an 129 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:22.279 awful lot like ZIGGI. So no, probably not. I wasn't 130 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:27.559 that imaginative. I think that would take a lot more 131 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:28.360 practice for me. 132 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:34.879 Where did the classical influence come from? Then? Oh? 133 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.559 My grandmother would take me to museums, like the Palace 134 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:45.399 of Fine Arts had had a great collection, and I 135 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:50.360 can't think of what movies influenced me early on, but 136 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.159 she had a lot of art books and I pored 137 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:59.799 over those things. You know, don't ask me to tell 138 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:05.039 you what date anything was created, and sometimes not remember 139 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:10.120 the artist's name, but I usually could. My husband now, 140 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.960 like when we first got together, we went we just 141 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:19.360 happened to be in Chicago and we were at the 142 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:23.240 museum there, and it's like, he goes, well, who's that. 143 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:27.399 I'm like, well, that's so and so I also happened 144 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:31.200 to be a show that was a retrospective of Gerhard Richter, 145 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:37.440 and I was like all over that wide

eyed. I'm like, oh, 146 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:40.159 this is another room filled with more. There are more 147 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:41.039 Richters in here. 148 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:42.120 This is everything. 149 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:49.440 Anyway, I like museums, So picture books and museums were 150 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:56.320 how I got my esthetic taste. Is that a good 151 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:57.919 answer to you question. 152 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:00.919 Yeah, definitely. I mean we all wonder where there's a 153 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.799 there's very early influences come from and who was inspiring 154 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:08.759 you because it clearly set the pathway for you. But 155 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:12.279 did you know then in your youth that you were 156 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.960 going to be an artist, that that was the pathway 157 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:15.320 for you. 158 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:19.240 Oh, there was, There was no choice for me. I 159 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:23.120 always wanted to be an artist. I remember patterns as 160 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:29.360 early back as you know, looking at my whatever patterns 161 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:32.120 were in my bed as a young child. And then 162 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:43.240 my grandmother had Japanese woodblock prints and other paintings in 163 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.600 the house that were David park Is a more contemporary painter. 164 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:57.000 They appreciated the arts. They were friends with some pretty 165 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:03.919 cool photographers. My grandmother deviled in photography. My aunt, who 166 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:07.799 went to live in Spain in the fifties and stage 167 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:14.480 got married there, did a lot of photography and actually 168 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:20.080 documented the Mediterranean side of Spain pretty well back in 169 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:25.480 the day. And there was a photographer named Carol Baldwin 170 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:29.440 who used to take family pictures and I was always 171 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:35.279 influenced by her compositions, I would say. And they were 172 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:45.519 all friends with like Ansel Adams and Imogen Cunningham. I 173 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:49.279 don't like blanking on the other names, but so I 174 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:52.559 looked at a lot of photography too, black and white. Mostly. 175 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:55.720 Did you do any photography? 176 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:02.720 No, I couldn't afford any kind of good camera. So 177 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:06.799 it wasn't until much later in my life that I 178 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:10.919 got a good camera finally. But I went through a 179 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:17.559 phase where I did blurry images of people in bars, 180 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:23.360 but that didn't happen until like two thousand and six, 181 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.559 two thousand and seven, and it was meant to be 182 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:32.480 a cross between Gearhard Richter and Francis Bacon, and I 183 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.440 kind of got tired of painting blurry women in bars 184 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.320 that looked like that had way too much to drink, 185 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:40.279 so I stopped for a while. 186 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:45.159 Well, you do play paint mainly women, right, that's your 187 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:46.360 main focus. 188 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:54.159 Now that's my main focus. I don't know why, but 189 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:59.360 I run into beautiful women and they're fun to paint. 190 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:04.200 I like painting flesh, that would be and I love 191 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:09.440 painting faces and hands the most. Everything else is just 192 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:15.639 like ugh, you know. I like to put more landscape 193 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:19.759 skies in my work that looked like woodbox prints. I've 194 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:24.320 done that before. There's a painting I don't think I 195 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.480 sent it to you, but it's called Transcendence, and it 196 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:34.000 actually has part of a woodblock painting clouds in it 197 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:40.480 that looked like moonlight moonlit clouds. But for me, painting leaves, 198 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:49.000 oh feet worse than death. I've done all kinds of things. 199 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:53.240 I started painting, teaching myself how to paint, buy painting landscapes, 200 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:56.240 and they were very blurry at the time, and this 201 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.759 was in Seattle, so they were a very tonalist and dark, 202 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:10.320 and I painted reductively with liquid that is very toxic. 203 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.399 I did not use gloves. I didn't know what I 204 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:17.840 was doing at all, because I had some experience in watercolors, 205 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:23.279 but so that's how I knew how to paint. I 206 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:26.000 was just like, okay, I'll take out a little white 207 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:31.679 with a rag. I would paint the whole thing like 208 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.759 an amber color and pull out where the whites would be, 209 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:37.080 and then I'd gradually get darker and darker and darker. 210 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.279 I think the artist that was influencing me at the 211 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:47.080 time very detailed large pieces, a guy named Mark Tansy 212 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:54.480 who does that very sort of same reductive painting, but 213 00:15:54.559 --> 00:16:00.799 there it could be landscape or historical references, and some 214 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.639 of them are mirrored, which is just I don't know 215 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:05.840 how he does this. I saw this in a museum 216 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:09.679 in Seattle and I

was overwhelmed with like, oh my god, 217 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:18.240 this guy is great. So my works started out as 218 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:24.279 landscapes and when I got to Atlanta because I met 219 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.159 my husband at a wedding in Atlanta. 220 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:27.559 This is your first husband. 221 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:33.440 This is my second husband, third husband. Sorry keeping track. 222 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:38.519 My first husband was in Seattle, and maybe I should 223 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:43.279 start there. He actually was running a gallery and we 224 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:48.279 ran it together for a while. There's a lot of work. 225 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.559 We were restoring a house at the same time, and 226 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.600 we had his children fifty percent at the time, so 227 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.799 it was big. And then we were both had our 228 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:01.519 own artistic careers. He taught me how to sell art, 229 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.720 how to approach a gallery, how to present your art, 230 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:13.720 and his dealers that were going to give him a 231 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:18.039 solo show in the downtown Seattle were in our big 232 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.759 he had. He was a master printmaker by the way, also, 233 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:31.240 so he worked with Jacob Lawrence and many other artists 234 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:35.519 that would come into the print shop, and so he 235 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:39.799 had a whole printing press his studio, my studio. The 236 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:44.119 dealers came in and they looked up in my loft 237 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:48.119 and they're like, who's that artist, And they instantly gave 238 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.240 me a solo show. They didn't know that those were 239 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.480 my first oil paintings. They had no clue, and they 240 00:17:55.519 --> 00:18:01.799 sold really well. They were very simplistic. They're what I 241 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:07.880 would call slow moving creek with reflected bush. You can 242 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:13.000 kind of fit them anywhere in a hospital or a hotel, 243 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:18.200 things like that. They were very pastoral, but also very 244 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:19.680 dark and moody. 245 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:25.240 I'm just wondering how your first solo show, how that 246 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:29.119 impacted your early career then? Was that a pivotal moment 247 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:29.480 for you? 248 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:37.079 I think so. This gallery had a downtown Seattle presence. 249 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:38.599 Seattle is. 250 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.680 A really nice little hotbed for all kinds of art, 251 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.119 you know. Dale Chahuley Studio was across the street from ours, 252 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:53.319 and all the galleries were open every First Thursday, and 253 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.920 it was a thing to do to go to the 254 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:02.400 gallery Walk Charleston something like that on Fridays. Now that's separate, 255 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:13.000 but yeah, it was. It was pivotal. But my work 256 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:16.960 always changes because I get bored easily. And my second 257 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:19.680 show there was a lot darker. It was more like 258 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:27.720 club clubby looking like not as dark as Rider's work 259 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:32.119 or I don't know, maybe like that dark only they 260 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:42.759 weren't boats being capsized or anything like that. But I liked, liked, 261 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.079 I don't know. There was a lot of dark work 262 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:49.720 in my grandmother's house too, there was a guy. I 263 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:55.440 have a painting by William Keith who was friends with 264 00:19:55.519 --> 00:20:00.960 John Muir, and it was very dark work and the 265 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.039 gallery at first didn't like it, but it's the kind 266 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.599 of thing that would go and someone's den who possibly 267 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:12.519 smoked cigars and drank cognac, and that show did pretty 268 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:15.640 well too, so they stopped telling me what to do. 269 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:23.799 I went to another gallery, and I forget the reason why. 270 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:27.920 I went to a gallery named Lisa Harris Gallery. It's 271 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:34.640 called Harris something now Darnett can't remember. But I am 272 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:43.119 always evolving. And so when I moved to Atlanta, met 273 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:47.519 my third husband at a wedding, he said, well, what 274 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.240 do you want to do, because dark, moody works were 275 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:53.160 not going to sell in Atlanta and I didn't feel 276 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.799 like painting Azalea's so I said, I want to paint 277 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:02.000 figurative work. And he's like, well, take some courses, here, 278 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:06.680 take your time. Here's photoshop. He knew nothing about photoshop. 279 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:09.359 He just bought me the program and said just save 280 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:14.960 everything you won't you'll be fine, like okay. So he 281 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.160 would call me up in the middle of the day 282 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.279 and he'd go, have you got the mail yet? I'm like, uh, no, 283 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.240 I haven't got the mail yet, because are you still 284 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:31.720 in your slippers? Yes, I'm still in my slippers. Are 285 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:36.519 you on photoshop? Yes, I'm still on photoshop. I just 286 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:39.839 got addicted, learned how to do layers and stuff like that. 287 00:21:41.200 -->

00:21:45.200 Eventually I took some workshops, but I really felt out 288 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:53.319 of place because the workshops were from life and I 289 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:57.799 really liked working from photography and I didn't want to 290 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:01.559 do portraits per se. I just wanted to paint flesh. 291 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:04.359 It wasn't sure how I was going to present it, 292 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:11.480 so I started with the blurry stuff. I think even 293 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.960 at that time, this was before Instagram, so there was 294 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:23.319 no There was either abstract or portraits. In Atlanta. It 295 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:25.839 had to go over the sofa, or you had to 296 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:30.680 represent someone the collector knew, or their dog or something 297 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:36.160 like that, or their boat. And I wanted to do 298 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.559 something that actually had it a little bit of a 299 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:42.319 narrative to it. So that's how I started with the blurry, 300 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.319 blurry art and actually had a couple pieces in the 301 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:54.039 Saint Regis Hotel there which were fun. 302 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.680 What was it about the flesh and the tones of 303 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:01.240 the flesh, because that's to me is the largest. That's 304 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:06.000 very challenging. It's not my area, so it just seems 305 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:09.359 to me most challenging. And maybe that was the challenge 306 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:14.400 that motivated you, that inspired you, because now your painters 307 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:15.880 look quite large. What size are they? 308 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:16.160 Gin? 309 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:16.799 Typically? 310 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:23.359 Typically there anywhere from twenty four by twenty four? Well, 311 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:26.359 I do smaller pieces like twelve by twelve, but I 312 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:31.599 feel uncomfortable doing small work. I'm working on a thirty 313 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:35.200 by forty and the largest pieces in the last show 314 00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:39.599 or thirty eight by no, thirty six by forty eight. 315 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:43.799 So you like large? Is that your preference to go large? 316 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:46.680 Yes? And if I could go larger, I wed. 317 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:47.680 What's stopping you? 318 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:53.880 Those take a lot longer to sell. I mean I 319 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:58.359 have to as a former gallery owner, and let's say 320 00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:00.480 when I first got to Savannah, I was so a 321 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:07.920 gallery owner. I don't know if I sent you. There's 322 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:13.480 a painting from two thousand and eight called One Horse Opera, 323 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:16.680 and that is on my website at

the very bottom. 324 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.440 It was meant to be a series of six women 325 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:24.720 on horses. And I had a gallery that was showing 326 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:32.160 my blurry figurative work in Boston and it was too out. 327 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.880 It was the crash, So it was I think it's 328 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:43.759 sixty by seventy two inches and it's still in my 329 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:48.319 dining room because you know, you think of it from 330 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:51.400 a gallery perspective, you can't sell it. You have to 331 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:57.119 send it back to the artist, and that piece would 332 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.359 had to go freight, especially if there were six someone. 333 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:09.799 I was influenced by Julie Heffernan at the time. I'd 334 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:11.519 gone to New York and seen a show by her, 335 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:16.119 and so I wanted to create these six giant pieces. 336 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:20.079 But it was just really bad timing, you know, when 337 00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:22.920 you think about it from a gallery perspective. Also, you 338 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:28.680 have to ensure these pieces, so that becomes quite expensive. 339 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:35.160 So that was a very uncertain time financially, and so 340 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.119 I never did the next five. I would do it 341 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.680 slightly differently now, I think, because I've learned a few things, 342 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.519 and I might even be better at what I do. 343 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.279 I mean, after a few years, you hope you'd get better. 344 00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:52.960 I want to go back to your parents and your childhood, 345 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.680 just for a moment, because you haven't mentioned Jim, mother Francis, 346 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:57.599 who she's no longer with us. 347 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:02.039 She's no longer with us, But your dad is my 348 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:05.319 dad is living in San Diego. He's eighty eight years 349 00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:10.559 old and doing great in his mind. He gets to drive. 350 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.279 He took a in person driving test and he's very 351 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:14.920 proud of that. 352 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.480 I'm wondering when you look back on your childhood then 353 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.519 growing up in June, what you were doing with your 354 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:23.359 parents and how they influenced you. 355 00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:32.160 My dad was working a lot. My mother, I guess 356 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:35.119 I can talk about her. She'm pretty sure she was 357 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:45.039 bipolar and very narcissistic. My current husband tells me, I 358 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:51.440 was raised by wolves. There wasn't a whole lot of 359 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:56.920 guidance there, and my mother,

I don't know. My parents 360 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.240 didn't get a lot. Let's just put it that way. 361 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.720 My mother was hard to get along with. I didn't 362 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.079 like being around her, so I spent a lot of 363 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:18.960 time avoiding her, and maybe that influenced my fantasy drawing world, 364 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:24.599 because that, you know, other than dreaming I was, I 365 00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:28.079 was safe in that world. She would do things like 366 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:32.519 I'd come home from school and she'd take drawings that 367 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.759 I had thrown away in the trash and I come 368 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:40.640 home from school and see her sharing them with her friends, 369 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:49.880 which made me very angry. And to this day, if 370 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.640 I still have pieces that I don't like and aren't 371 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:57.319 singing for me. They get destroyed one way or another. 372 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:02.480 I don't That also goes back to me my first 373 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:08.240 husband when we did prints lithographs, he would you know, 374 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.359 throw the trashy prints in the trash and then we'd 375 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.640 find like street people selling them on the street for 376 00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.240 two dollars. So we learned pretty quick you had to 377 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:24.119 destroy those too, shried them up. So anyway, I curate 378 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:30.240 my work pretty severely. Now if it hasn't sold in 379 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:35.680 a long time, it just goes away. Then you know, 380 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.039 I think my collectors actually have good taste. 381 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.519 So AUNT really was your salvation going to your room 382 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:48.480 and shutting the door and being yourself and your creative 383 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:54.640 self and developing that where you felt safe. 384 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:57.039 They did I was. It was also my safety net 385 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.920 at school because if you know, the me girls would 386 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.279 discover if there was an art project they had to do, 387 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:09.880 June could help them with it. So yeah, throughout my 388 00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.240 life that was I will paint my way out of anything. 389 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.279 And but I was also easily bored. I you know, 390 00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.480 once I learned how to do something, it's like, oh, hey, 391 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.359 how can I make it all that much? More difficult, 392 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:23.519 is it? 393 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:27.039 You'll comfort blanket now? Oh? 394 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:40.440 Absolutely. My My studio is not neat and tidy, and 395 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:48.400 my husband only occasionally

if he dares, comments on it, like, well, 396 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:53.799 look at the handle to your door. My kid's yeah, 397 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:58.359 but I'm going in and out. You know, it's a handle. 398 00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:04.599 It can be replaced. My studio is, yeah, my salvation. 399 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.400 How much time do you spend in there each day? 400 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:07.519 Then? 401 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:11.400 Is it an all day, five days a week retreat. 402 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:17.039 It is an all day, five days a week retreat. 403 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:27.680 I love my space here. It's I also work weekends, 404 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:32.480 but I'm not with My husband married me for companionship, 405 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.759 but he didn't realize artists like to be in the studio. 406 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.079 We'll hear that above on the show June. So if 407 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:41.000 you can take some comfort in that. 408 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:46.559 Yes, I am not going to retire, and he knows that, 409 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.000 but he's he's very happy that I bring in extra 410 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.759 income playing in the studio, as he calls it. I'm like, 411 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.160 sometimes it is really work, and there is pressure. Sure, 412 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.039 when you have a solo show and you have a 413 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:06.880 deadline and you're trying to create something new, slightly new 414 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:11.960 but still in your in your vein, there's a pressure 415 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:18.079 to keep it within a box and push the parameters 416 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.759 of that box. 417 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.240 So much of your art it seems to be self taught, 418 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.759 because you did go to the California College of Fine 419 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.079 Arts and Crafts, but you dropped out, you said for 420 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.000 a number of reasons. 421 00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.480 Yes. The first and the most likely reason was a 422 00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:37.920 I was really young. I was seventeen years old. I 423 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.319 was the youngest person in the school at the time, 424 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:47.039 and I really didn't have a what do you call it, 425 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.279 a counselor to guide me on what Your first year 426 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.160 was pretty much set and you had to take life drawing, 427 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:58.599 which actually turned out to be great because I can't 428 00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.160 I wouldn't be able to do what I do now 429 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:07.480 was out that background. But that was the only realism 430 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:09.119 being taught. 431 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:10.119 You go. 432 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.480 I took a painting course, and clearly this woman didn't 433 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:22.079 know

how to paint in my mind, and I tried 434 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:26.839 to take some illustration courses. One illustration course, they start 435 00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.920 out by asking do you think you need talent to 436 00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:35.000 be an illustrator? And I raised my hand along with 437 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.000 a few other people, and he says, well, feel free 438 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:41.240 to leave the class if you think you need talent. 439 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:49.799 So I left I mean, I just didn't fit in. 440 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:58.079 That was nineteen seventy eight, seventy seven, and the closest 441 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:03.200 thing to realism in the Bay Area was Blanking on 442 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:07.480 his name. He did fruitcakes and beautiful sort of stacked 443 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:13.359 landscapes of San Francisco. I'll send his name to you 444 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:18.240 somewhere later on. But Wayne Tebow, I knew I could 445 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:22.400 retrieve him. Wayne Tebow was probably the most realistic painter 446 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:28.279 at the time, or David Park like my parents collected, 447 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:33.480 but those were jazz scenes and they're very impressionistic. Everything 448 00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:38.839 was either very impressionistic or very abstract or I don't 449 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.640 know what. It was a weird time. There was no Internet, 450 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:50.079 so if you were anything representational, you were either an 451 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:55.880 illustrator or a wildlife painter, and that was not considered 452 00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.480 a good thing. That was like you, you don't want 453 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:04.480 to be that. So I was lost artistically. That would 454 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:10.159 be the first reason. And then I had to have 455 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.360 surgery on a foot that I had some arthritis, and 456 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.239 so they fused some joints in my foot, and I 457 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:21.840 spent quite a few months in a cast and working. 458 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.320 I couldn't go up and down the Berkeley Hills carrying 459 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:30.440 a portfolio in a cast. I just wasn't going to work, 460 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.960 and then just money ran out. My parents weren't going 461 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.719 to fund it, and since I wasn't getting what I 462 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:46.960 wanted out of it, I just left for a while. 463 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.039 I actually modeled for the life drawing classes from the 464 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:57.719 teachers that I most respected, actually, and then they would 465 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:03.920 let me sit in on classes. So if that was 466 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:08.559 that was fortunate, and they understood how poor I was 467 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:10.559 actually too, I didn't. I didn't have a lot

of 468 00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.840 money at all, so they would buy me supplies. And 469 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:16.440 you can't make a lot. 470 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:16.960 Of money. 471 00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.079 Modeling. I mean you might get eight dollars an hour 472 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:25.639 at the time, but you'd only work maybe five or 473 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.039 six hours a week, so you couldn't live on that, 474 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:29.480 but you. 475 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.039 Were able to observe. I'm wondering if you used models 476 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.159 today for all the women that you paint. 477 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:40.400 I do. I do not paint or draw from life anymore, 478 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.639 but I take thousands of pictures. I hoard my models 479 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:53.280 I have. I find them in like coffee shops or 480 00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:58.639 grocery stores. But two of the models I most paint, 481 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:04.519 or have most paint they've grown up now are twins. 482 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.440 You'd think it was the same person, but it's not 483 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:14.199 their twins. I had a collector friend who I knew 484 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.679 had twins, and I was trying to get more than 485 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.760 one person in a composition, and I didn't want to 486 00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:23.519 go through the whole. I don't know. I just hate 487 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.119 the idea of putting it out on Facebook. I'm looking 488 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.800 for a model that it is five to two or 489 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:34.400 and above and whatever color hair. I didn't want to 490 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.239 do that, but I called him and I said, hey, 491 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.920 you've got twins, and he's like, yep, I have twins. 492 00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.760 And they walked into what was my gallery at the 493 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:49.199 time in Savannah. I showed other artists other than myself. 494 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.320 By the way, I tried to be very contemporary. It 495 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.400 didn't fly. But at these two girls walked in. They 496 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.320 were fourteen, and it was like two little cornswand like 497 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:06.360 the long blonde hair down here in the beautiful Swedish 498 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:12.880 looking faces, beautiful eyes. And I have a stash of 499 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.239 photographs of him, And gradually over that period of time, 500 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:21.760 my camera has got better, and now that I'm scaling up, 501 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:27.960 I really appreciate the high resolution photographs I can take now. 502 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.320 So sometimes I go back and I look at things like, yeah, 503 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:37.239 that was a great shoot. That's not really in focus. Gosh, 504 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.280 don it to make something up there. But it's a challenge. 505 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.039 We haven't mentioned your younger brother, Dwight, so let's bring 506 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.159 him into the picture here. He's now on the left, 507 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:52.960 still on the left coast, so he don't seem as much. 508 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.639 I'm guessing. But what was your relationship as children? Will 509 00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:57.039 you close? 510 00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:03.880 No, we're closer now as adults. We were, like my 511 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.920 mother used to say, we couldn't walk down the same 512 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.960 hallway without hitting each other. I was always blaming him 513 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.280 for things, and he was always blaming me for things. 514 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:17.159 And I don't remember this, but my mother said when 515 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.800 she brought him home from the hospital, I told her 516 00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:25.599 to take him back. I wanted an older brother. But 517 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:30.679 that's okay. We get along now. He's doing okay. He's 518 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.079 got lots of friends in Sacramento. And my stepdaughter also 519 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.559 lives in Sacramento, which is she grew up in Atlanta. 520 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:44.280 I don't know how it happened, but they don't see 521 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.800 each other. They travel in different circles, but they're both well. 522 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.880 So my brother didn't have much influence over me. I 523 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.280 think I was in my room a lot. He wasn't 524 00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.360 allowed to go in my room. I wasn't allowed to 525 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:04.639 go in his room either. Fortunately we didn't have to 526 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:05.639 share a room. 527 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.920 But you enjoyed the big outdoors, did you As a child? 528 00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:12.800 What were you doing outdoors? 529 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.320 Well? I avoided it when I was at the house. 530 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.039 I've never mowed a lawn in my life. My brother 531 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.559 got to do the outdoor activities, except weeding. We both 532 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:28.159 got to do that together, especially as punishment because in 533 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:33.599 California the dirt is adobe and weeding was especially for 534 00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.360 twenty five cents an hour. I think my parents were cheap. 535 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:45.599 But we would go to Tahoe frequently to ski. That 536 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:48.119 was a requirement if you were a Stratton, you had 537 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:50.440 to learn how to ski. I hated it for most 538 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.880 of my childhood until high school when I figured out 539 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.840 I could join the ski club, which was the only 540 00:39:57.880

--> 00:40:01.440 athletic thing I could do. I mean, if you put 541 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.800 me in left field in baseball, I would the ball 542 00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.519 was coming to me. It would be like that. No, 543 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.280 So I wasn't into team sports, so skiing was it. 544 00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.719 And then we'd go in the summer and it was 545 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.599 just beautiful up there. I love the smells and the 546 00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:23.400 shapes of things. I'd make mud pies. My brother and 547 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.800 I would trap ants in resin just to see what 548 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:31.480 they look like. But you know, which is weird because 549 00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:33.639 now I'm working with three dimensional things and it does 550 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:39.159 remind me of making mudpies and creating three D things. 551 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:43.519 But so a lot of outdoor activities in Tahoe, and 552 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.800 then my grandparents had a second home north of San 553 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:51.760 Francisco in a place called Inverness, where we did took 554 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:58.239 sailing lessons and that was it was fun ish, except 555 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:06.800 that was when Jaws came mount like no, because we 556 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.760 did have great white sharks and Tamala's Bay and it 557 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:15.000 was cool. It was not It's what Jay, my husband 558 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:18.880 now calls useless water because it's cold you can't swim 559 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:23.760 in it. He likes the warmer water of the East Coast. 560 00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.400 I want to talk about music, June, because you've sent 561 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.159 me your playlist and you mentioned, and remember ago that 562 00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:38.320 your parents collected art, that it was jazz scenes as well, 563 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.760 and I know you grew up listening to Johnny Cash. 564 00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:45.280 You mentioned a lot of classic classical music that stayed 565 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.320 with you throughout your life, But what were your earliest 566 00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:51.800 musical memories, and did that encourage you to play an 567 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:52.719 instrument yourself? 568 00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.480 Unfortunately I am toned off. I tried to join the band, 569 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.119 uh play flute, and I got tossed out. No, but 570 00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.719 that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy music. I love music. 571 00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:16.239 My first memories, I had one of these plastic turntables 572 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:18.320 that you could put it was like a little suitcase. 573 00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.719 Need open it up and I could put Tchikovsky's Sleeping 574 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:26.440 Beauty on it. I mean I played that thing over 575 00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:31.880 and

over and over again. I don't remember having to 576 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.000 turn it down as a kid. And then my parents 577 00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:39.639 liked music, but I don't think. I wasn't allowed to 578 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:42.199 talk to touch my dad's record player. That would have 579 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:49.599 been sacrilege. But I think he liked jazz and swing. 580 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:54.159 But they also liked current music like Crosby, Nails, Nash 581 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.639 and Young, I mean, some folk music. I'm sure they 582 00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.519 liked Joan Biaz and I mean I kind of liked 583 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:07.159 that too, But my tastes in the seventies kind of 584 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:13.679 went darker. I loved led Zeppelin. I was a big fan. 585 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:18.039 Were you dancing a lot in your teens? 586 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.760 I don't know you'd call it dancing. I wanted to 587 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.920 be a ballet dancer. I took ballet when I was 588 00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.199 a young kid, but they noticed that I had this 589 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.519 problem with my ankle, so there was that dream was 590 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:39.480 shot down. In high school, I took contemporary dance, and 591 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.000 that's what I guess you would call whatever I do 592 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:50.559 at a concert. So I dance in the studio when 593 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:56.599 some I have certain songs that come up on Pandora, 594 00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.360 which I'm not going to mention because some of them 595 00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:03.039 are just they're really poppy, but they come up and 596 00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:06.679 it's like, Okay, this is an ABS workout, and it's 597 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.039 sort of like, okay, there's not much room in here 598 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.199 when I've got a solo show going, so it's more 599 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:17.280 like a hula hoop action, and I'm trying to keep 600 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:18.519 myself physically fit. 601 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:20.239 How do you do that? 602 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.320 I have a balance board. It's sort of like a 603 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:30.280 bongo board. It's a board that has a cylinder underneath it, 604 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:34.719 and I've actually been doing that since I was a kid. 605 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.679 My uncle's cabin and Tahoe had one. A very early 606 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:47.480 one was around cylinder with a little groove in it 607 00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.440 somewhere and you balance on it. It was a ski 608 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.239 training thing, so This will get your knees in shape, 609 00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.519 and it also is really good for your core. And 610 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:04.159 if you're really good on it, you can whirl and twist. 611 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:08.719 But I'm at an age where I don't feel like 612 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:14.480 falling over. You know, I fallen once on it when 613 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:18.519 I've got tennis elbow on my right side. And okay, 614 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.920 that's a warning, no tricks. Tricks are your kids. 615 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:25.840 When you're not doing that in your studio, when you're 616 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:27.760 actually working, what do you listen to? 617 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:38.239 It really depends on my mood. I will I like 618 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:47.760 movie scores a lot, and then sometimes it's house music, 619 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:51.400 something that you know, you can kind of lope along to. 620 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.519 And other times, like you know, when the news is 621 00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:01.360 really dark, I just like silence. And when I'm trying 622 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.679 to create something new, it's silence that I like the most. 623 00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:13.119 And then it's not until the painting is like two 624 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.559 thirds of the way done and I'm feeling good about 625 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.920 it that I'll put some kind of house music on 626 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.880 or you know it. Sometimes a little indie rock B 627 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:27.000 fifty two's can be very uplifting. 628 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:31.480 I mean, you listen to audio books. 629 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:41.079 No, I find words very distracting, so I can't I 630 00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:44.719 guess I can't chew them and walk. I can't paint 631 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:49.400 and listen to words. I mean, so that's probably why 632 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:54.639 I'm not as familiar with podcasts as I should be, 633 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.559 because I god, you can learn a lot through just 634 00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:04.119 the little sniffs that I've been getting. So but I 635 00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:08.079 work hard. That's usually from nine thirty to five with 636 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:08.800 a lunch break. 637 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:16.639 Where does religion and spirituality fit into your life? 638 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:21.199 I would say not much, but yes a lot in 639 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:27.559 a John Muir kind of way. Like sequoias those are 640 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:34.239 church like things, or okay, go to Barcelona and I've 641 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.199 forgotten what the name of that church is, but that 642 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:46.639 was it. Goudy just did amazing light texture and he's 643 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:52.559 a big influence on my texture work right now. So 644 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:57.559 that's it. I mean he put amazing bits of nature 645 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.800 and like the doors that have Salomon on them and 646 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.960 leaves and things like that. It's like, oh, that is 647 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:11.320 I want to do that, because I mean I'm out 648 00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.920

in nature. I like, I was great with the window 649 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:18.760 open last night before something either got murdered or whatever 650 00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.440 animal was having a hard time because there are there 651 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:26.480 are night birds that make sounds, and there's the cicadas 652 00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:29.960 that are just starting up now and there's a light 653 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:35.320 wind going in the neighbors, wind chimes, very slight in 654 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:40.719 the background. So yeah, I like going out on our 655 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:46.119 boat because you can boat like half an hour from 656 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:51.280 our house and be in the middle of nowhere there's 657 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:58.679 nothing but water and marsh, and yeah, that's that's a 658 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.280 church for me, rely nature. 659 00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:05.679 What most excites you these days? What do you most 660 00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:06.360 look forward to? 661 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:13.079 I tell you what I'm focusing on, ever expanding, putting 662 00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:16.719 three dimensional things in my work and experimenting with different 663 00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:22.440 materials and not limiting myself to plaster. I'm putting china 664 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.880 in it. I'm putting shells in it. I'm doing things 665 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:29.119 like that. But I want to I'm working on balancing 666 00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:35.840 a social life where going out to see music, like 667 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:40.199 we're gonna go see Annie DiFranco this week. Excited about that. 668 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:43.400 It's gonna be fun. I love live music, and I 669 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:49.079 just we live about a half an hour away from Savannah, 670 00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.760 but we have a place where we can stay when 671 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.039 we stay overnight there, so I get to have my 672 00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:57.679 I'm trying to divide my time. Most of my friends 673 00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.719 are in town Savannah, people that I met when I 674 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:06.679 had a gallery there, and I love nature that church 675 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:11.760 of mine, but it's isolating as well, so trying to 676 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:13.960 get a balance of all. I guess three of those 677 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:21.440 things nature aren't friends because I don't know. I'm getting 678 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.760 to an age where they don't want to lose my 679 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:29.199 friends by not socializing. I think it's good, good to 680 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:33.639 get out see people and also hear there are different 681 00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:39.360 perspectives on life because we're all different. Yeah, they're really. 682 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:41.119 I mean, some people would like to put us in 683 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.519 two different boxes, but there's just so many shades of 684 00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:44.679 color in between. 685 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.480 Well that brings us perfectly to your dinner party that 686 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:53.239 you're you've been thinking about, I know, and you have 687 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.159 your guest list already. 688 00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:59.199 Will you be cooking for them? I, you know, I 689 00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:04.559 would need some assistance. I like to serve things that 690 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:12.280 are a little bit done beforehand and could be served 691 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.840 on a couple of large chade trays and people can 692 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:19.880 pick and choose what they want to eat, Like it 693 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:25.960 would be seared tuna with maybe some roasted chicken, fresh salad, greens. 694 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.880 Even though my husband hates beets, I'd have roasted beets 695 00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:36.880 on the side, mozzarella, hard boiled eggs with some nice vinigrette, 696 00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.400 and maybe I don't know, some crusty bread on the side. 697 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:50.559 For those people who eat bread. There would be white 698 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:59.039 burgundy and peanut noirs available and some I don't know, 699 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.159 whatever you want to drink. Music would probably be a 700 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:08.599 saxophone and guitarist playing together in the distance, so we 701 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:13.360 could yell at each other or talk. But i'd need someone. 702 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.519 I like setting my own table. I'm going to tell 703 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:19.440 you that that's an artistic yes, with candlelight. 704 00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:25.480 So is this a dining room table or a kitchen suppo? Oh, 705 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:28.079 the whole nine yards, the. 706 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.000 Whole nine yards. I've got nice china, and I believe 707 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.679 in using it, like my mother had great china, and 708 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.119 I'm not sure she used it more than three times. 709 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:41.000 I'm using it. My grandmother was the same way. It's like, 710 00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:42.960 what do you have it for if you're not going 711 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:49.199 to use it? So, yes, I probably wouldn't have a tablecloth, 712 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.320 per se. I've got these nice mats and I like 713 00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.440 to mix it up between rough surfaces, and I have 714 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:04.320 china handled flatware that would go. And I'd put out 715 00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:08.760 the nice glasses if people promise not to throw them. 716 00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:13.440 But oh well, it's only got to use it. 717 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:18.039 Well, who's coming to dinner on my list? 718 00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:23.800 First up, oddly is Ben Franklin. I would love to

719 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:27.280 hear his perspective on how things turned out in this 720 00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:32.480 country or are turning out, because it's got He was 721 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:37.320 an inventor, and if my other my husband was looming 722 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.679 around helping me out, he'd be fascinated with him too. 723 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:48.639 And I'd like to know what the real history from 724 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:55.320 his perspective was, not just what he wrote down. You know, 725 00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.400 from his eyes, what he would think of a cell 726 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:11.519 phone or light, or women having pocketbooks, women voting. I 727 00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:16.079 would love to know what he would think. I just 728 00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:21.519 think that would be fun. And you know, I heard 729 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.360 he was a hefty drinker, so he might be entertaining 730 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:30.199 as well. Next step would be Dolly Parton just for fun. No, 731 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.320 I don't listen to a lot of Dolly, but I 732 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:38.719 know she's like a genuinely nice person. You have to 733 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.320 have a nice person at the table to balance things, 734 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.840 and I think calm people down. I think she would 735 00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:50.440 be fun too. I don't know what Dolly eats. I 736 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.039 don't know what Ben eats, but that's why I have 737 00:54:53.119 --> 00:55:01.440 the variety at the table. So there's Dolly Marilyn Minter 738 00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:07.559 who's an artist. They just made a documentary about her 739 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:13.760 called Dirty Something blah blah blah. Should have notes on this. 740 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:19.119 But she does scaled up paintings of. 741 00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.320 High heel shoes. 742 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.840 With glitter on them that have been splattered in mud, 743 00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:33.800 and lips that have pearls that are dripping. She just 744 00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:41.280 recently did a painting of like Jane Fonda and a 745 00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:47.119 number of other people. I added her because she talks 746 00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.440 a lot about her subjects and how she got to 747 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:55.960 painting women, and she's a feminist. But I'd like to 748 00:55:56.000 --> 00:56:01.760 grill her on her materials. I'd like to do because 749 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.719 I don't know. I love painting lips myself that I 750 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:11.519 have no interest in just imitating her. That's I get 751 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:14.079 tired of seeing women that are wet, and there's a 752 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.280 lot of that going around. It's like, what is that? 753 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.519 I don't know that she does in her own way, 754 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:24.000 that is, and she does really super large paintings. I'm like, 755 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:27.800 how what are you? You have a team? Can I 756 00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:33.639 borrow your team? I don't know. So I'd grill her 757 00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:36.920 on that kind of thing because I like her subject matter. 758 00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:41.199 I understand why she does it. So next up would 759 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:48.320 be Hetty Lamar, who was not only gorgeous, you know, 760 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:54.400 she's a perfect example of you can be gorgeous and 761 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:59.559 brilliant at the same time. There's not one or the other. 762 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:06.360 She tried to do the right thing for our military. 763 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:08.280 I don't know if you know anything about Hetty, but 764 00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:18.880 she invented signal hopping. They're calling it, but it and 765 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.679 I'm blanking on what it's really called, but it was. 766 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:26.039 It was a way to communicate with torpedoes so that 767 00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:29.039 the Germans could not figure out where the torpedoes were going. 768 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:34.840 And she developed this from looking at player piano sheets 769 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:39.880 so the signals would be random, and come up with 770 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:42.400 the name of this signal hopping. 771 00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:47.760 It's genius what she did. It was so clever. Yeah, 772 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:54.800 and she wasn't recognized so much as for that really genius, 773 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:55.840 not at all. 774 00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:59.920 She took it to the military and the military said, 775 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.119 go away, pretty lady, go sell war bonds, which she 776 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:09.119 did and sold millions of dollars worth of war bonds 777 00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:12.920 just going around on a train kissing random people. And 778 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.280 I mean she did what she could and didn't wasn't 779 00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:25.039 recognized until later in her career after she'd done Hollywood 780 00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:31.840 and eventually she was recognized by her her patent had 781 00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.920 run out. Just had so sad she invented Wi Fi. 782 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.880 I mean everything that we you know, GPS everything. 783 00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:43.880 I would imagine she and Dolly would get along great. 784 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.400 They would have an interesting conversation. 785 00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:50.199 I think so. I think so. And I think she'd 786 00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:56.599 have fabulous conversations with with Ben I mean, I mean, 787 00:58:56.599 --> 00:59:00.519 did he invent electricity and anyway? They could talk about 788 00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:07.159 stuff like anyway, So yeah, she'd be there. Then. I 789 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:11.199 like Jack White because I have

to have some contemporary music. 790 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.719 I like the White stripes. But I like not only that, 791 00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:21.679 but he's really creative with his guitar. I would love 792 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:26.119 to have musical genius in me. I do not. But 793 00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:31.599 there's a movie out there called This Might Get Loud 794 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:38.000 and it's Jimmy Page produced it, and he's in it 795 00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:43.639 along with the guitarist from You Two, and it's Jack White, 796 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.039 and they all kind of meet and get together and 797 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:58.360 compare creatively their musical style, which I really found interesting 798 00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:06.400 because every artist does that very same thing. You could 799 01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:12.119 maybe be doing master copies of whoever. But really, when 800 01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:15.159 I paint, it's like no matter what I do, it 801 01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:19.400 always ends up looking like me. But I'm trying to 802 01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.559 push the envelope. And I think Jack White does a 803 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:27.480 great job of what he's doing with guitar, and he's 804 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.119 also just sounds like a fun person to be around. 805 01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:32.239 I was the other one. 806 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:38.239 And then okay, I have two more. I have Patti 807 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:45.559 Smith just for poetry, Oh my god, just say it 808 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.000 like it is. And she was a visual artist as well, 809 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.519 so she would have something in common with Marilyn and 810 01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:55.679 I mean they're both alive today. I don't know whether 811 01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:01.280 they've met, but I think Patti Smith would be a 812 01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:08.559 great addition and poetic inspiration. And then the last person 813 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:15.559 would be John Muir for to bring the outdoors in 814 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:23.760 and an old dead relative of mine had a little 815 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:30.679 battle with him over how Yosemite was formed, and John 816 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:33.880 Muir turned out to be right, so he could be 817 01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:38.039 argumentative too, so we can have some fun discussions about 818 01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:44.000 how how the planet was formed and Earth and the 819 01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:50.679 spiritual nature of trees, birds. So that would be my party. 820 01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.000 That's a very interesting mix. And I'm wondering who's going 821 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.880 to sit by at the side of you, who are 822 01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.079 you going to get into it with. 823 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.599 I'd like to move around the table. I'm a hostess, 824 01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:06.320 I have to. I'd probably sit between Ben and Dolly 825 01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:09.400 at first and get Ben used to looking at Dolle. 826 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:10.199 I was thinking that. 827 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:16.320 Ben snap out of it, stop staring at Doll. Boobs 828 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:22.559 don't do that, So I don't know. I maybe start there, 829 01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:29.719 and then i'd really like to talk to Hetty, you know, 830 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:32.800 and then John muiror I mean, I guess i'd start 831 01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:37.000 with the dead people, move to the live people, and 832 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.280 then I'd cozy up to Marilyn mentor later on Grill 833 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:45.400 Heir on her technique, which I know she paints an enamel, 834 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.320 but I don't know how she does it well. 835 01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:52.840 Thinking about your favorite subject to paint, I'm wondering if 836 01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.239 there's a woman out there that you would love to paint. 837 01:02:56.920 --> 01:03:05.320 I think Lana del Rey. A lot of people like 838 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:12.039 Taylor Smith's Swift Come on Brown to Tune Swift, but 839 01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:18.280 I like Lana because she's dark, and I don't know, 840 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:23.079 she just seems more free to do what she really 841 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.320 wants to do. I don't know how to explain. Each 842 01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:31.920 of her albums are completely different, but I know Taylor 843 01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:37.079 complains about how female artists have to evolve. I don't 844 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:41.199 feel that as a visual artist. But let's see who 845 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:50.360 else would I want to paint. Jane Fonda, Deborah Harry 846 01:03:50.760 --> 01:04:03.239 maybe yeah, I mean Michelle Obama would be fun too, 847 01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.800 but she's she's been done before. 848 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:12.199 Really well, lots of inspiration there. If only you could 849 01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.679 find these women and have them sit for your even life, 850 01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:18.320 wouldn't that be a challenge for you? 851 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:23.199 I get nervous. I would be too nervous to be 852 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.280 painting live in front of them, and I would be 853 01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:32.360 respectful of their time, set up my studio and take 854 01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.119 as many pictures as I could in an hour hour 855 01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:41.280 and a half. After that, everybody gets tired, so and 856 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:45.039 I'd have any props or whatever already set up, or 857 01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.920 like in the case of Lana, she could set up 858 01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:49.559 her own props. I would work with that. 859 01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:53.039 June. I'm wondering where people can find your work now, 860 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.119 because we'd like to send them two galleries. If you 861

01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:00.920 can share with us where whether they can find your book. 862 01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:08.039 You can find my work in Charleston at Robert Lang Studios. 863 01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:16.480 They're on Instagram as rls art and their website is 864 01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:20.800 well you'll find it under Robert Lang Studios. I also 865 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:29.159 show at Reese Contemporary in New York, and that's pretty 866 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:30.760 much all I can handle at the moment. 867 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:35.320 And online and social media. 868 01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:40.920 Social media. You can find me on Instagram and Facebook. 869 01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.920 It gave up on TikTok and Blue Sky, and I 870 01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:51.360 don't know. There's a number of new media platforms. I'm 871 01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:55.920 stuck with meta because there just isn't. My clients are 872 01:05:55.920 --> 01:06:02.400 on Instagram mostly. I try to post too much that 873 01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:07.000 is a finished product, that isn't just a snap of 874 01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:10.920 a second, because I don't really want anyone screenshotting it 875 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:14.280 and putting it into a calendar, not that it would 876 01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.800 come out high resolution. So a lot of what you 877 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:23.639 see on Instagram is just how process how I paint 878 01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:29.119 and that. There's a couple of posts now that are 879 01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.920 about my recent solo show at Robert Lank Studios, which 880 01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:42.480 was beyond what I imagined could be successful. It's shocking. Actually, 881 01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:47.599 it's the most successful show I've had yet, so I'm 882 01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:48.760 pretty happy. 883 01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:55.280 Well, congratulations and yeah, keep up the good work. It 884 01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:58.840 is beautiful, beautiful artwork, June, So thank you very much 885 01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:05.840 being anytime soon. No, keep up the good work, and 886 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:08.000 thank you for taking time to come on the podcast 887 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:08.599 this week. 888 01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:13.400 Well, thank you for inviting me. This has been fun. 889 01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.480 You brought out things I hadn't thought of in years. 890 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.360 You're a good interviewer and fun too. 891 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:24.159 You can follow us, of course on social media at 892 01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:28.519 The Art Podcast and also on YouTube. If you're listening 893 01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.239 to the podcast, do hop over to our YouTube channel, 894 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:36.199 The Art Podcast. You can also follow my musings on substack, 895 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:39.719 just not for Chris Stafford Official, and that's where if 896 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.800 I have anything to say, I generally do my writing 897 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:46.440 on substack these days, and also post to other art 898 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.400 worker and of course any links to the podcasts that 899 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:53.320 go as they go live. So follow us on substack 900 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:57.360 and on Instagram and on YouTube and I'll be back 901 01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:59.760 in a couple of weeks with another inspiring guest from 902 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:01.880 a the world of visual arts. So I do hope 903 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.079 you'll join me then. In the meanwhile, my thanks again 904 01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:07.079 to my guests this week, June Stratton, and to you 905 01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:07.719 for listening.