บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Helloween Nightmare Theater: Angel Heart with Sean, Hans, and Brett.

Satan 74 00:04:00.580 --> 00:04:04.960 and becomes the new king of hell. So that's Harry Angel. 75 00:04:04.979 --> 00:04:09.930 Of course, his name is Angel. And I was mentioning 76 00:04:09.939 --> 00:04:11.889 a bit in the pre-show is that the book does 77 00:04:12.030 --> 00:04:17.529 focus more on occult rituals among the elite in New 78 00:04:17.550 --> 00:04:20.810 York City area and other political figures. And they have 79 00:04:20.850 --> 00:04:26.879 particular types of covens and ritual objects, etc., But the 80 00:04:26.930 --> 00:04:33.269 basic plot is the same. So one of the things 81 00:04:33.310 --> 00:04:35.250 just to keep in mind is that if we look 82 00:04:35.290 --> 00:04:39.709 at sort of the occult anatomy, the overlay, the symbolic 83 00:04:39.850 --> 00:04:44.329 overlay of media with a lot of these elements of 84 00:04:45.029 --> 00:04:51.139 occult things or symbolic or even potentially trying to invoke 85 00:04:51.180 --> 00:04:54.259 these energies, we can see one of the earliest things 86 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.980 we look at the popular music So the song staggerly, right? 87 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:01.959 So the staggerly song, um, is very much like the 88 00:05:01.980 --> 00:05:04.540 story of angel heart. If people don't know that it's 89 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.980 just one of those songs that was, you know, everyone 90 00:05:07.019 --> 00:05:09.600 knows that it's no one even knows who actually wrote it, 91 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:12.600 but the song staggerly was considered like there was hidden 92 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:15.160 verses to that that could actually summon the devil or 93 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.750 something like that. But the basic story of staggerly is 94 00:05:18.110 --> 00:05:20.470 he's just a, he kills a guy and then he 95 00:05:20.569 --> 00:05:24.629 ends up defeating the devil and becomes the king of hell. Right. Um, 96 00:05:24.910 --> 00:05:28.939 very similar to, um, Harry Angel. So it's tied into 97 00:05:28.990 --> 00:05:35.370 this popular culture and popular music. And another element, of course, 98 00:05:35.509 --> 00:05:38.189 of that is jazz. And, and so he's a, you know, 99 00:05:38.230 --> 00:05:43.189 jazz singer. And so jazz as a, you know, in fact, I'm, 100 00:05:43.470 --> 00:05:46.009 by the way, I'm playing Thursday night, I'm playing Django 101 00:05:46.750 --> 00:05:51.680 Reinhardt style, hot club string, uh, trio jazz with a 102 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.620 bunch of like really good musicians and, I'm practicing my 103 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:57.920 jazz here, but, but yeah, but so, but so jazz 104 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.560 actually was, you know, it's hard for people to put 105 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:05.199 ourselves back as, you know, America's classical music, but there 106 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:09.920 was a great deal of controversy about jazz. And it 107 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:13.810 was initially reserved. You have Beale street, you know, the, 108 00:06:14.110 --> 00:06:17.490 the birth of the blues Beale street ball street, right? 109 00:06:17.509 --> 00:06:21.970 So Beale and ball, it's some same name. But it was, 110 00:06:22.170 --> 00:06:27.550 it was always jazz. tied in with these incorporations of 111 00:06:27.670 --> 00:06:31.649 certain types of rhythms, right, that were coming, in some cases, 112 00:06:31.990 --> 00:06:36.129 from voodoo ritual. Some of these type of specific rhythms 113 00:06:36.610 --> 00:06:40.310 and beats were used. The orissas, you know, they would 114 00:06:40.470 --> 00:06:45.509 use particular rhythms and songs to summon particular spiritual entities, 115 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:48.000 and some of that even showed up in rock. So 116 00:06:48.060 --> 00:06:51.620 you have actual beats that were used ritually that became 117 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:57.230 part of America's popular music landscape so in that context 118 00:06:57.269 --> 00:07:00.980 just just to see that um and just a couple 119 00:07:01.009 --> 00:07:04.699 other points and then i will vacate this uh this 120 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:07.279 hot seat but i just wanted to uh i just 121 00:07:07.339 --> 00:07:12.120 got a few quotes here from the era about jazz 122 00:07:12.180 --> 00:07:15.720 just to put it in context a bit um let's 123 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:19.360 see here so also you know again of course you know, again, 124 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:21.879 nothing wrong with African rhythms or this or that, but 125 00:07:21.939 --> 00:07:26.899 the fact is that there were specific ritual structures. And 126 00:07:27.139 --> 00:07:29.620 one of the biggest concerns about jazz was the effect 127 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:32.639 on the nervous system, right? What it was doing to 128 00:07:32.660 --> 00:07:38.040 the physical organism. But so this is a quote, Frantiro, jazz, 129 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:44.060 a history jazz became the symbol of crime, feeble-mindedness, insanity, 130 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:48.000 and sex, and was under, constant attack from the press 131 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:52.279 from the early 1920s it is ironic that we preserve 132 00:07:52.300 --> 00:07:55.139 study enjoy music today that was felt to be insidious 133 00:07:55.720 --> 00:08:02.560 and lascivious only yesterday um and then you know okay 134 00:08:02.620 --> 00:08:07.879 jazz reigning girls uh declares reformers ruining girls so this 135 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.980 1922 new york american um moral disasters coming to hundreds 136 00:08:12.019 --> 00:08:17.639 of american girls through the pathological nerve irritating sex-exciting music 137 00:08:17.699 --> 00:08:22.920 of jazz orchestra. According to the Illinois Vigilance Association, in 138 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:31.519 Chicago alone, the association's representatives have traced the fall of 1,000 139 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.279 girls in the last two years due to jazz music. 140 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.460 Girls in small towns as well as the big cities

141 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:41.970 and poor homes and rich homes are victims of the weird, insidious, 142 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:46.799 neurotic music that accompanies modern jazz music. So modern, modern jazz. 143 00:08:47.100 --> 00:08:49.259 So anyways, just to put that a bit in context. 144 00:08:49.500 --> 00:08:52.639 And of course, we have, of course, New Orleans being 145 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:57.120 associated a great deal with, you know, voodoo and things 146 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.850 like that. Again, these are these are types of energies. 147 00:09:01.250 --> 00:09:03.529 You know, you have to also look at the cultural context. 148 00:09:03.629 --> 00:09:07.509 What is this doing to the Western culture? Nervous system. 149 00:09:07.529 --> 00:09:10.029 This was completely new, right? This was, you can see 150 00:09:10.070 --> 00:09:12.580 the same thing. You give alcohol to native Americans are 151 00:09:12.620 --> 00:09:14.279 not used to it. What happens to them? They didn't 152 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:18.220 do that. It wasn't a good mixture, but as a book, 153 00:09:18.940 --> 00:09:24.159 the black arts. So basically I just read one more 154 00:09:24.330 --> 00:09:29.100 quote here on voodoo. This is a book written in 1940s, 155 00:09:29.330 --> 00:09:36.470 but let's see. The magic practices of all native tribes 156 00:09:36.509 --> 00:09:41.330 of North America bear a striking similarity, but two important 157 00:09:41.370 --> 00:09:43.889 kinds of black magic are practiced in the United States, 158 00:09:44.470 --> 00:09:46.909 as well as in the West Indies and Guyana by 159 00:09:46.929 --> 00:09:51.080 the Negro population who was originally imported from Africa. These 160 00:09:51.129 --> 00:09:56.279 two branches are voodooism and obede, and both are carried 161 00:09:56.379 --> 00:09:58.659 on today, though not to the extent that was formerly 162 00:09:58.700 --> 00:10:03.169 the case. voodoo voodooism is devil worship pure and simple 163 00:10:03.789 --> 00:10:07.220 in past days it entailed the sacrifice of a girl 164 00:10:07.269 --> 00:10:11.639 child who was called the goat without horns although the 165 00:10:11.700 --> 00:10:14.399 natives declare that no such sacrifice has now been made 166 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.690 for over 50 years We hope this is true, but 167 00:10:17.730 --> 00:10:21.009 the author's opinion is that both Buddhism and Obadé have 168 00:10:21.070 --> 00:10:25.710 probably claimed human victims quite apart from stillborn infants, and 169 00:10:25.850 --> 00:10:29.750 much more recently than that. Nowadays, a real goat or 170 00:10:29.789 --> 00:10:33.389 a young kid has been substituted, and whether the sacrifice 171 00:10:33.429 --> 00:10:37.210 was human or animal, it was the custom to administer 172 00:10:37.250 --> 00:10:40.429 a powerful drug composed of herbs so that no pain 173 00:10:40.509 --> 00:10:43.759 was felt at the moment of death. However, besides the goat, 174 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:47.860 black cocks and hens and sometimes dogs were sacrificed by 175 00:10:47.899 --> 00:10:52.350 the cruel process of ripping open the stomach so that 176 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.850 the bowels and other organs fell out. I'll just read 177 00:10:55.929 --> 00:10:58.029 one little bit more about this and I'll stop. The 178 00:10:58.110 --> 00:11:01.809 voodoo rites were carried out in lonely and desolate places 179 00:11:01.850 --> 00:11:05.120 when the moon was full. Sometimes these dances were in 180 00:11:05.169 --> 00:11:08.539 honor of the moon representing the old master or devil. 181 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:12.990 Sometimes there were fire or snake dances. In the latter case, 182 00:11:13.529 --> 00:11:16.110 those taking part brought their own snakes and placed them 183 00:11:16.129 --> 00:11:18.049 in the center of the gathering, where they usually remained 184 00:11:18.129 --> 00:11:20.870 torpid under the charms of the voodoo priest or priestesses. 185 00:11:21.830 --> 00:11:26.200 And as the dances grew wilder, the victims were killed, 186 00:11:26.379 --> 00:11:30.419 and pieces of quivering flesh were given to each of 187 00:11:30.460 --> 00:11:33.340 the celebrants to eat, which spurred them on to even 188 00:11:33.379 --> 00:11:37.480 greater delirium. They shouted invocations to the old master and 189 00:11:37.500 --> 00:11:40.929 the sweet moon, plied the fires of wood and tire 190 00:11:40.970 --> 00:11:43.850 higher and higher until eventually the dancers sank to the ground, 191 00:11:43.909 --> 00:11:48.330 exhausted in their revelry. So just a little bit of, 192 00:11:48.370 --> 00:11:51.210 you know, a take on voodoo from the book, the 193 00:11:51.269 --> 00:11:54.690 black arts. So, so all these elements are there. And 194 00:11:54.710 --> 00:11:58.250 I do think though, it is an important intersection of that, 195 00:11:58.809 --> 00:12:03.440 you know, noir with Robert De Niro being this very stately, 196 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:07.820 you know, man about town. Again, they, they, They did 197 00:12:07.899 --> 00:12:10.820 not show the elite occult practices in the film that 198 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:12.820 were featured in the book. But I think it's an 199 00:12:12.860 --> 00:12:18.200 important look at this, the whole thing, if we could 200 00:12:18.220 --> 00:12:21.039 look at Robert Johnson, because it's that same mythos. You 201 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.799 have Staggerly, who takes over hell from the devil, and 202 00:12:23.830 --> 00:12:25.799 you have Robert Johnson, who sold his soul to the 203 00:12:25.850 --> 00:12:29.330 devil to master music. And there's other people who have, 204 00:12:29.350 --> 00:12:32.649 even including Bob Dylan, right? And many, many pop artists 205 00:12:32.710 --> 00:12:36.149 who have openly stated that they have done this in 206 00:12:36.309 --> 00:12:41.330 order to achieve success um and so i think i 207 00:12:41.370 --> 00:12:43.429 guess i could go

on but i'll just leave it 208 00:12:43.470 --> 00:12:44.889 there for now so. 209 00:12:48.149 --> 00:12:50.250 Great who else would like to uh go next. 210 00:12:52.379 --> 00:12:55.259 Well uh well i mean i can i can go 211 00:12:55.379 --> 00:12:59.879 ahead and show you know as you know some of 212 00:13:00.179 --> 00:13:02.789 uh Your listeners were real cold. We discussed this with 213 00:13:02.850 --> 00:13:06.500 Hans and with Thomas, my co-host. On another occasion, it's 214 00:13:06.509 --> 00:13:09.519 really worth visiting again because this is an enormously important movie, 215 00:13:09.580 --> 00:13:15.340 although as William said, it's semi-obscure. I mean, I discovered 216 00:13:15.379 --> 00:13:17.940 it a long time ago and it has a cultish 217 00:13:17.980 --> 00:13:21.100 following and it's caught on. It's very artful and it's 218 00:13:21.139 --> 00:13:23.559 well-made for what it is. Yeah, but the importance of 219 00:13:23.580 --> 00:13:26.440 it here for the purposes of Psyop Cinema and kind 220 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.409 of our purposes here is that Yeah, there's this intersection of, well, 221 00:13:31.450 --> 00:13:37.110 several things like this Faustian satanic lore of the entertainment industry, 222 00:13:37.129 --> 00:13:39.570 like the music industry, but like by implication, right? The 223 00:13:39.629 --> 00:13:42.730 film industry, because I think you'll see these Illuminati revelation, 224 00:13:42.750 --> 00:13:45.129 the method things going on that signal that this is 225 00:13:45.190 --> 00:13:48.570 kind of plug into this wider mythos that applies to 226 00:13:48.610 --> 00:13:51.330 the entertainment industry in general and the carnival indeed and 227 00:13:51.710 --> 00:13:55.360 other things of this nature. And then you have this 228 00:13:55.389 --> 00:13:58.960 like MKUltra, mind control thing going on in the movie, right? 229 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:02.159 This amnesia that he's got. And he's this artist that 230 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:05.490 sold his soul to the devil and his mind's been 231 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:07.909 wiped clean, doesn't know who he is. And I mean, 232 00:14:07.929 --> 00:14:12.169 this sounds kind of like what, again, Thomas, my co-host calls, 233 00:14:12.210 --> 00:14:16.590 you know, the IMSA phenomenon, I-M-S-A, the Illuminati mind slave artists, 234 00:14:16.629 --> 00:14:20.409 where we get these, whatever, Britney Spears and Candy Jones 235 00:14:20.549 --> 00:14:23.490 and so forth that are, you know, these mind controlled people. 236 00:14:24.250 --> 00:14:29.230 potentially mind-controlled or certainly psychologically tampered with uh artist phenomenon 237 00:14:29.269 --> 00:14:31.629 who seem to be tampered with to make them go 238 00:14:31.769 --> 00:14:34.769 out and do these occult like rituals on stage and 239 00:14:35.169 --> 00:14:36.460 and all this sort of stuff so i mean this 240 00:14:36.529 --> 00:14:39.159 is like so it's important you mentioned robert johnson i 241 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.419 was looking into this since the last episode and the 242 00:14:42.059 --> 00:14:44.820 the popularization of the robert a johnson story and the 243 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.399 crossroads seems to have been like in the late 60s 244 00:14:47.580 --> 00:14:52.029 where indeed, like there's this increasing satanification, if you like 245 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:56.340 open satanification of music and heavy metal takes off and 246 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:59.840 things like that. But this movie is interesting because it's like, 247 00:14:59.980 --> 00:15:03.559 it's going back to, you know, pre-duo, we might take 248 00:15:03.620 --> 00:15:05.159 a crooner as they call them. 249 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:05.500 Right. 250 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.019 So it's like, it's telling us that somehow even deeper 251 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.539 in the roots of, of, of pop music, there's this 252 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:17.480 satanic bargain, this satanic ritual element. And I think the, 253 00:15:18.100 --> 00:15:21.980 voodoo thing is a clue that well the voodoo thing 254 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.580 and then the elite thing because that that's right there 255 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:26.539 and even though it doesn't show the elite stuff in 256 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.899 the book or i haven't read the novel um i'm 257 00:15:28.950 --> 00:15:31.250 really interested to hear more about that but it is 258 00:15:31.299 --> 00:15:36.549 in the movie that you know johnny's handlers sponsors were 259 00:15:36.590 --> 00:15:39.129 these people the guy who owned half of louisiana uh 260 00:15:40.330 --> 00:15:42.309 is the quote which doesn't mean literally but like he's 261 00:15:42.330 --> 00:15:45.029 some bigwig right and he explained he's the one that 262 00:15:45.070 --> 00:15:47.799 there's this kind of tell-all scene at the end where 263 00:15:47.860 --> 00:15:52.230 he's explaining everything that happened with Johnny. Now, here he is, Johnny, 264 00:15:52.330 --> 00:15:54.649 and how, you know, they basically found him and he 265 00:15:54.690 --> 00:15:56.870 was just so good at summoning Satan that they just 266 00:15:56.909 --> 00:15:59.049 kind of picked him out of the garbage heap and thought, 267 00:15:59.289 --> 00:16:01.990 you know, this is somebody that we really need to 268 00:16:02.110 --> 00:16:05.090 get him more because they're just deeply committed to Satan 269 00:16:05.110 --> 00:16:10.519 that's saying these elites really believe this stuff. So there's 270 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:14.759 that and their sponsorship of someone who's an entertainer, right. 271 00:16:14.779 --> 00:16:16.899 It seems to be mind controlled. So this is telling us, 272 00:16:16.980 --> 00:16:20.559 I think quite, quite a bit about things. It doesn't 273 00:16:20.620 --> 00:16:23.820 seem at a glance to be telling us about. So, 274 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:26.440 I mean, yeah, those are the main themes to talk about. 275

00:16:26.460 --> 00:16:28.860 There's a lot of very specific details that you can 276 00:16:28.899 --> 00:16:33.779 get into that are just, I think pretty eyeopening and revelatory, um, 277 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:36.840 throughout the movie. But yeah, I think it's, it's that 278 00:16:36.899 --> 00:16:40.879 kind of intersection of themes that's, um, is really key 279 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:43.179 to why this is important and why we're discussing this. 280 00:16:46.610 --> 00:16:50.509 Yeah, I wanted to say that Brett is correct when 281 00:16:50.549 --> 00:16:54.450 he said that it's artfully done, very well made film. 282 00:16:54.730 --> 00:16:59.879 I mean, all of the photography is beautiful, all the lighting, 283 00:17:00.340 --> 00:17:05.900 it's amazing. I mean, the textures, I was fully enthralled 284 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:09.339 by the textures, like the the dirty glass that he's 285 00:17:09.380 --> 00:17:13.480 pouring the drink into or like the ashtray full of cigarettes. 286 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.119 And like, you know, you see the leather of the 287 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:19.339 book and you see that all this, like the way 288 00:17:19.380 --> 00:17:22.019 that everything is lit is, is got this kind of 289 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.619 sideways lighting where you can see all the little bumps 290 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.000 and all the little textures. It's really, really well done. 291 00:17:28.059 --> 00:17:33.099 It's very amazing movie. But yeah, like he said as well, it's, 292 00:17:33.380 --> 00:17:36.049 it's based on the same themes of, you know, the 293 00:17:36.089 --> 00:17:42.430 Manchurian Candidate, stuff and like epstein like satanism like it's 294 00:17:42.539 --> 00:17:47.660 all there uh and talking about like i made some 295 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:51.059 notes when hans was talking uh yeah the rolling stones 296 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.119 sympathy for the devil i think we talked about it 297 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:56.859 in the episode we did with brett uh with the 298 00:17:57.059 --> 00:18:00.839 psyop cinema is that the opening of that song is 299 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:04.720 voodoo drums and they popularized that they had it on 300 00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:07.339 the radio all the time boom They didn't say it 301 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:12.549 was voodoo drums, but it is, you know. And let's see. 302 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:19.750 Lisa Bonet played the radio before she seduced our hero 303 00:18:19.930 --> 00:18:24.390 at the end. She like uses the music. And Hans 304 00:18:24.450 --> 00:18:26.609 is talking about how the jazz is like, you know, 305 00:18:26.670 --> 00:18:30.650 making women sluts and like destroying, you know, and this 306 00:18:30.710 --> 00:18:33.609 is a 17 year old girl who who's sleeping with 307 00:18:33.650 --> 00:18:36.329 her father. We don't know that at the time, but still. 308 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:42.619 she uses the radio as the tool to put him 309 00:18:43.220 --> 00:18:45.680 at a place where she can seduce him. It's very 310 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:50.809 interesting how the music itself and the song, what's playing, 311 00:18:52.609 --> 00:18:55.230 the song is about how she had her fun and 312 00:18:55.250 --> 00:18:57.809 she took her rides and she had lots of men 313 00:18:57.849 --> 00:19:00.509 and all that. Yeah, there you go. She turned on 314 00:19:00.529 --> 00:19:02.849 the radio and she's like, you want to dance? He's like, here? 315 00:19:03.829 --> 00:19:06.319 She's like, yeah. And then she just jumps on him 316 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:10.180 and starts humping. Like, I mean, it's not even dancing. So, yeah, 317 00:19:10.220 --> 00:19:14.839 the radio and that music is like, you know, and 318 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:19.859 she is a goat. She was a mambo priestess since 319 00:19:19.900 --> 00:19:26.299 she was 13, just like her mama, Evangeline Proudfoot or whatever. And, 320 00:19:26.450 --> 00:19:29.529 you know, she's got a baby at 17 that's like 321 00:19:30.289 --> 00:19:37.880 two years old. You know, like she was obviously and 322 00:19:37.900 --> 00:19:43.170 then she says Chevalier to be ridden by the gods. 323 00:19:44.450 --> 00:19:48.569 And it's not just a bunch of dancing in the woods. 324 00:19:49.369 --> 00:19:49.869 They are. 325 00:19:50.859 --> 00:19:55.819 Taking in the loa into the the gods into themselves 326 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:01.059 and giving their body over as a host for the 327 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:05.500 god to be incarnate in that dance and these people 328 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:11.109 in the in the voodoo, the Haitian voodoo. And they 329 00:20:11.630 --> 00:20:15.650 chew glass, they drink like full bottles of rum and 330 00:20:15.670 --> 00:20:19.210 they're not drunk after it's like, it's the ghost that's 331 00:20:19.309 --> 00:20:25.170 doing it. It's very, it's very strange. So that's, you know, 332 00:20:25.269 --> 00:20:28.750 and they, we have like, I can play, I've got 333 00:20:28.829 --> 00:20:32.799 a clip downloaded of, it's like a behind the scenes 334 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:36.180 of the making of this movie. And while they were 335 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:41.500 filming the dance in the woods with Lisa Bonet and 336 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:47.369 her chicken, that apparently was seen, it was like 666 337 00:20:48.109 --> 00:20:50.930 on the card with the placard. You know, it just 338 00:20:50.970 --> 00:20:54.779 happened to be that number. And they were like mentioning 339 00:20:54.819 --> 00:20:57.279 that in the documentary. Like, oh, that's spooky. You know, 340 00:20:57.299 --> 00:20:59.700 like it seems like it might've been planned, but still like, 341 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.890 and they went, And they had anthropologists there to make 342 00:21:04.950 --> 00:21:09.150 sure it's legit and exact. And it was a real 343 00:21:10.430 --> 00:21:16.420 ritual happening on the film. So that's interesting. We might 344 00:21:16.559 -->

00:21:22.700 get into that. But I wanted to talk about Papa Legba. 345 00:21:22.980 --> 00:21:32.880 That person is... He's the intermediary between... The humans and 346 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:37.170 the Loa or the Iwa or whatever, the gods. And 347 00:21:37.690 --> 00:21:40.250 he knows all the languages. And that's the one that 348 00:21:40.289 --> 00:21:43.509 you talk to. That's the one that you make deals with. 349 00:21:43.529 --> 00:21:50.210 And that's who Robert De Niro is depicting. So in 350 00:21:50.230 --> 00:21:53.890 the first scene, we see him with his cane. Papa 351 00:21:53.930 --> 00:21:57.670 Legba has a cane. He's very, he's always seen with dogs. 352 00:21:57.910 --> 00:22:00.750 And then we see that stray dog come along after 353 00:22:00.769 --> 00:22:03.569 we see the guy with the cane. So like, it's 354 00:22:03.609 --> 00:22:05.930 telling us, you know, and we see the stairs all 355 00:22:05.990 --> 00:22:10.380 lit up in the background, like the, the very opening 356 00:22:10.460 --> 00:22:14.259 shot of, of the, of the film. It's like, this 357 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.359 is Papa Legba and he's in the dark. And then like, 358 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:20.460 as he walks away, there's some woman committed suicide, a 359 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:24.400 homeless woman. And the dog goes and feasts on her blood. Like, 360 00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:29.380 you know, uh, so, and we know from like, we 361 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:31.759 can even look up Papa Legba on Wikipedia and we 362 00:22:31.779 --> 00:22:34.549 can just, you know, see all the points and it 363 00:22:34.670 --> 00:22:38.769 just like clicks like a many of the, of the 364 00:22:38.809 --> 00:22:44.809 bullet points. Yes. And, um, so, uh, also the, at 365 00:22:44.859 --> 00:22:48.559 the end, what Brett was talking about, the, the father 366 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:53.680 of Cruz Mark, Ethan Cruz, or whatever his name was, uh, 367 00:22:54.980 --> 00:23:01.309 he was talking about how Johnny favorite could conjure Lucifuge, 368 00:23:02.450 --> 00:23:12.759 not Lucifer. Lucifuge is Lucifer's like desk clerk who does 369 00:23:12.779 --> 00:23:15.500 all the contracts. And that's the guy that you make 370 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.940 the deal with. Lucifuge, not Lucifer's too busy. He's not 371 00:23:18.980 --> 00:23:21.400 going to come and like make a face to face 372 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:26.619 with you, you know? Um, So anyway, we can look 373 00:23:26.660 --> 00:23:32.049 deeper and learn more about Papa Legba and Lucifuge, which 374 00:23:32.109 --> 00:23:36.549 are pretty much the same character. And voodoo also has 375 00:23:36.609 --> 00:23:42.250 a lot of syncretism. Because they had to hide their 376 00:23:44.109 --> 00:23:47.789 ancient practices because they were slaves and you had to 377 00:23:47.829 --> 00:23:51.759 be Christian or you'd get whipped, you know. So like 378 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.440 the different characters would be like, uh, they would use 379 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.880 a Christian idol and they'd be like, yeah, that's Papa Legba. Like, um, 380 00:23:58.539 --> 00:24:02.920 who was it? Uh, I forget who it was, but 381 00:24:02.980 --> 00:24:07.359 he's like the, you know, the guy at the crossroads, um, you, 382 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.420 you give him rum, like, just like when he's sitting 383 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:17.240 in the chair at the church where, uh, in Harlem, uh, 384 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.880 there's that red church. It's like all that red walls 385 00:24:19.940 --> 00:24:25.140 painted everything. And, um, and Robert De Niro, when we 386 00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:30.099 first see him, he's on a throne and he's drinking rum, 387 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.700 you know, like, because that was left out for him. 388 00:24:33.740 --> 00:24:36.720 That's what they do. They like leave, like Lisa Bonet 389 00:24:36.740 --> 00:24:40.160 will like left some bread at the, at the grave 390 00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:43.849 of her mother, you know, um, that's, they, they leave 391 00:24:43.890 --> 00:24:46.789 stuff out as a gift, you know? Um, and one 392 00:24:46.809 --> 00:24:53.240 of the things is rum and, uh, And also Black Coffee, 393 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:55.619 Black Coffee, I guess. But yeah, this is the guy 394 00:24:55.640 --> 00:25:02.700 at the crossroads that Robert Johnson sings about. And Black Man, 395 00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:07.680 you know, we can see, you know, even in that movie, 396 00:25:08.700 --> 00:25:11.230 Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? The guy with the dog, 397 00:25:11.289 --> 00:25:14.589 he's got this like hellhound, you know, and that's in 398 00:25:14.609 --> 00:25:18.069 a lot of the blues songs, too. Like, so that's 399 00:25:18.940 --> 00:25:23.079 these are the characters that are amalgamated into the, this 400 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:27.089 devil guy. And I guess that's a good, just wanted 401 00:25:27.109 --> 00:25:29.230 to get that. We can go back to it or whatever, 402 00:25:29.309 --> 00:25:32.250 but just get those pizza. Yeah. There's Papa Legba. So 403 00:25:32.289 --> 00:25:35.009 he's got the chthonic hat. It's he wears a top hat. 404 00:25:35.750 --> 00:25:41.440 Cause it's like, like Baal. He he's like, he's a 405 00:25:41.539 --> 00:25:46.279 chthonic deity underground. Like, I guess it doesn't make sense, but, 406 00:25:47.730 --> 00:25:52.980 Like Baal and Tanit and these types of gods that 407 00:25:53.059 --> 00:25:59.140 are given rituals underground, they all wear this hat on 408 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.039 their head that looks like a top hat. It's almost 409 00:26:01.099 --> 00:26:06.119 like a pot, like you could plant some flowers in it. Yeah, 410 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:10.200 Hellhound on my trail. Here we go. A Blues Johnson 411 00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:16.019 traveler says that exactly. That's... that was the Robert Johnson song, right? 412 00:26:16.220 --> 00:26:16.819 Wasn't it Hans? 413 00:26:17.079

--> 00:26:19.500 Yes, it was. Yeah. We did talk about that. And 414 00:26:20.059 --> 00:26:23.180 it is really the thing about Robert Johnson is that 415 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.420 you can hear, you know, his, you know, and we 416 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:28.859 went over that show and I learned a couple of 417 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:32.119 these songs and I played them right. The incredible real descendants, 418 00:26:32.609 --> 00:26:36.349 like very outside. You don't hear that in the rock. 419 00:26:36.390 --> 00:26:39.250 You don't hear that. I mean, it's, it's unique, right? 420 00:26:39.309 --> 00:26:42.069 It's almost like a different dimension, but also the real, 421 00:26:43.269 --> 00:26:45.799 you know, it's like real, right? I mean, this guy 422 00:26:45.859 --> 00:26:48.920 is literally has hellhounds on his trail. He's experiencing this. 423 00:26:48.940 --> 00:26:51.519 This is not, you know, let me beat my woman 424 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.539 till I get satisfied, you know, but he, he is, 425 00:26:55.609 --> 00:26:58.990 you know, he is living in this space, right? And 426 00:26:59.009 --> 00:27:01.630 he was the first member of the 27 club. So 427 00:27:01.650 --> 00:27:04.869 we can see this, you know, large scale cultural imprinting 428 00:27:04.910 --> 00:27:07.529 from that. But yeah, Robert Johnson, like he, he was 429 00:27:07.670 --> 00:27:10.240 living that stuff. I mean, he was not, you know, 430 00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:12.880 it was not abstract. He wasn't like Slayer or something. 431 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:17.160 He was like, this guy is in this tortured space, 432 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:21.000 but he is still embracing evil. And he has no 433 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:23.700 way out of it. Right. He just, but he's, he's 434 00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:26.200 gone that far. Like my old soul get on the 435 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.369 Greyhound bus and ride. I'm going to discord. I'll still 436 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:33.309 be around as a discorporate entity. And so really the, um, 437 00:27:33.849 --> 00:27:37.390 and you know, um, Harry Smith's anthology of American popular 438 00:27:37.450 --> 00:27:42.109 music with all the occult alchemical symbols, right? This avant-garde 439 00:27:42.170 --> 00:27:46.230 filmmaker and artist who also did art for a variety 440 00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:50.069 of Crowley's books, et cetera. But for, um, so this, 441 00:27:50.230 --> 00:27:53.089 that anthology of American folk music is what put forward 442 00:27:53.130 --> 00:27:57.799 this particular obscure stream of music, right? It wasn't Robert 443 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:03.460 Johnson was not popular until quote unquote rediscovered by the 1960s. 444 00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:06.329 And just not to, um, beat a dead horse, but 445 00:28:06.349 --> 00:28:09.170 I mean, there's many, many, many amazing country blues artists. 446 00:28:09.230 --> 00:28:10.490 I used to get these when I was a kid, 447 00:28:10.529 --> 00:28:13.279 I'd order them from catalogs and there's even many other 448 00:28:13.339 --> 00:28:17.279 better guitarists out there, but somehow he became, everyone cites 449 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:18.700 him as the greatest guitarist ever. 450 00:28:19.220 --> 00:28:19.420 Why? 451 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:25.160 Because also within that alchemical stages of transformation included in 452 00:28:25.220 --> 00:28:28.269 that book, which became the whole birth of the whole 453 00:28:28.329 --> 00:28:33.289 rock movement. Everybody was going crazy. to this anthology and 454 00:28:33.369 --> 00:28:38.690 learning these songs. And that's where Robert Johnson became this icon. 455 00:28:39.059 --> 00:28:41.539 And he, he isn't, I mean, he's an author. He's 456 00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:44.440 almost like an archetype and he became the archetype for 457 00:28:44.500 --> 00:28:45.359 popular music. 458 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:50.559 And we can all remember that the church of Satan 459 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.680 says that year one is 1966. And then 67 is 460 00:28:52.700 --> 00:29:00.640 a summer of love and, and the satanic, uh, like 461 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.240 unfolds from there, right? I mean, is that when he 462 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.900 was rediscovered in 66 or around this time? I know 463 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:13.730 Eric Clapton was promoting that. You know, it's like 60, 464 00:29:13.730 --> 00:29:16.869 later than that, like 68, isn't it? 69 when Johnson 465 00:29:17.029 --> 00:29:18.730 was kind of, or was it earlier than that? 466 00:29:18.829 --> 00:29:22.890 Well, you know, so basically you have the folk, you 467 00:29:22.910 --> 00:29:26.430 have this lull, you have the culling of this is 468 00:29:26.470 --> 00:29:30.990 where you see, unfortunately, this cultural engineering process. And, you know, 469 00:29:31.009 --> 00:29:33.160 that radio, hopefully Brett, my article, we have to get 470 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.539 back on that, but the AM radio. So what happened 471 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.970 with that is you have David Sarnoff, they're buying every 472 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:45.759 There was just localized, small, localized, you know, and a 473 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.279 lot of local cultural groups, you know, Germans or Italians 474 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.200 or whatever. And, you know, and then suddenly David Sarnoff, 475 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.859 they take over the patents and suddenly you can't make 476 00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:58.720 your own home radio stations, or else if you do, 477 00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.299 they put in these huge transmission towers, which were originally 478 00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:05.579 set up for military use. And you're covering huge arrays, like, 479 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:07.569 you know, out of Austin, right? And suddenly you can't, 480 00:30:07.849 --> 00:30:11.130 the other radio stations are gone. And this, these genres 481 00:30:11.170 --> 00:30:13.450 are now imposed on everybody. And the

first thing they 482 00:30:13.470 --> 00:30:16.730 did was play jazz all the time, right? You turn 483 00:30:16.789 --> 00:30:18.809 on the radio, you're going to hear jazz. People did 484 00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:21.230 not like, I read, I can read a lot more quotes. 485 00:30:21.269 --> 00:30:24.279 People did not like jazz. You know, it was a 486 00:30:24.339 --> 00:30:28.490 music of people that are in nightclubs, taking drugs, prostitutes. 487 00:30:28.529 --> 00:30:30.269 It was, it was, you know, it was a Bohemian 488 00:30:30.369 --> 00:30:33.930 avant-garde music, just like smokers. Yeah. Just like the drug, 489 00:30:34.710 --> 00:30:37.160 the drug culture was more reserved, you know, but this 490 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.119 made it like, and other thing I think is important 491 00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:43.440 to mention that radio being turned on, this is the background, right? 492 00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:48.900 This is the invisible field that because our auditory sense 493 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.730 is really geared towards orienting the body in space and 494 00:30:53.869 --> 00:30:59.690 time and events. but it primarily operates subconsciously, unconsciously, right? 495 00:30:59.849 --> 00:31:02.710 I mean, we can't, you can't, if you're conscious of 496 00:31:02.769 --> 00:31:05.710 every single sensory perception, you know, you'll, you'll, it's like 497 00:31:05.730 --> 00:31:10.769 you're on LSD, Sean. But, but basically, you know, but no, 498 00:31:10.789 --> 00:31:14.000 I'm just kidding. But basically the, the whole thing is 499 00:31:14.019 --> 00:31:18.960 that it's just, it's a, we have an orienting response. 500 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:23.119 These are things that are on the base of the brainstem. 501 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.789 These are survival responses. that are hardwired. And these are 502 00:31:27.829 --> 00:31:32.210 the things that have been manipulated because that becomes the background. 503 00:31:32.450 --> 00:31:37.259 This becomes the field, the invisible field you're living in. 504 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.759 But it's like you don't notice it. It's just there 505 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:44.619 in the background, right? And so the radio, you never 506 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.799 had that before in human history, right? But that radio 507 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.109 is this field. It's almost like it's like an invisible 508 00:31:53.130 --> 00:31:58.720 field energetic architecture or like a fragrance or an energy. Right. 509 00:31:59.299 --> 00:32:01.759 But in a certain way, this movie is implying there's 510 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.589 a whiff of sulfur in that invisible fragrance. 511 00:32:08.009 --> 00:32:11.490 Oh, we mentioned the, the year thing I was going 512 00:32:11.509 --> 00:32:16.990 to put in the novel. It's set in 1959. Um, 513 00:32:17.069 --> 00:32:20.619 and then, and then Parker changed it to, to 55. Um, 514 00:32:23.730 --> 00:32:27.059 for his own reasons, but I think the 59 thing 515 00:32:27.099 --> 00:32:28.240 is really important. 516 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.359 Oh, because it's the edge of 60? 517 00:32:31.339 --> 00:32:37.839 Yeah, and then you also have Parker gives him Valentine's 518 00:32:37.940 --> 00:32:43.099 Day as his birthday, which isn't the same. Hjortzberg gave 519 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:47.109 him Hjortzberg's own birthday, and then Parker did the same thing, 520 00:32:47.130 --> 00:32:48.890 because Parker was born on Valentine's Day, but I think 521 00:32:48.910 --> 00:32:52.650 there's also this further meaning in that, that, yeah, the Johnny... 522 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.579 favorite characters. That's, you know, spoiler alert, Harry turns out 523 00:32:55.619 --> 00:32:57.740 to be Johnny that sold his soul to the devil. 524 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:05.809 And Johnny is this, like, prototype of the Luciferian rock 525 00:33:05.849 --> 00:33:08.829 star figure, because this is, it's, you know, it's not 526 00:33:08.849 --> 00:33:11.710 just the Faustian bargain and selling your soul to the devil. 527 00:33:11.769 --> 00:33:13.950 I think also the figure of the rock star in 528 00:33:13.990 --> 00:33:19.029 particular was, I think, obviously quite deliberately modeled on a 529 00:33:19.299 --> 00:33:24.759 certain popular image of Lucifer, as being associated with music 530 00:33:24.819 --> 00:33:26.779 and having flowing hair. And then there was also this 531 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:29.619 sort of Dionysian element and Dionysus could be seen as 532 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:31.259 a sort of type of the devil or type of 533 00:33:31.339 --> 00:33:34.240 Lucifer and you get Jim Morrison. Hans and I discussed 534 00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:36.240 some of this stuff a lot in the Doors episode 535 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.809 that we talked about, but it's like Johnny is like 536 00:33:39.829 --> 00:33:43.309 a prototype of that here in the pre. So then 537 00:33:43.329 --> 00:33:47.099 the fact that this is on the edge of the 60s, 538 00:33:48.309 --> 00:33:51.890 And we're going to have the engineered sexual revolution engineered 539 00:33:51.970 --> 00:33:57.250 through these fake rebel Luciferian rock stars controlled by the industry, 540 00:33:57.269 --> 00:33:59.670 controlled by the cruise marks and so forth of the world, right? 541 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.819 I think, yeah, this is all showing us this. And 542 00:34:06.859 --> 00:34:10.519 I think that's why this movie really got made. That 543 00:34:10.539 --> 00:34:12.420 was why it was for a long time. And by 544 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.119 the way, it's like the federal government actually, in a way, 545 00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:19.300 is behind this because Hjortseg wrote this with, national endowment 546 00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:21.519 for the arts money and then it was serialized in 547 00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:25.380 playboy so that's your tax dollars at work is angel 548 00:34:25.420 --> 00:34:27.920 heart here and it was yeah it was uh

like. 549 00:34:27.820 --> 00:34:31.059 Figures playboy too like all fits with the government okay 550 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:32.429 go ahead sorry. 551 00:34:33.429 --> 00:34:39.650 Um so yeah anyway um yeah that that was my 552 00:34:39.670 --> 00:34:41.710 you know that was my main point there i mean 553 00:34:41.750 --> 00:34:44.090 i wanted to talk a bit after this you know 554 00:34:44.289 --> 00:34:48.039 when we change topics a bit on the mind control 555 00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:52.239 elements in this movie and the amnesia and, and what's 556 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.699 going with the ending and stuff. But yeah, I just 557 00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.179 wanted to make that point there for now. 558 00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:01.510 Yeah. And Brett, just the foreground, your mention of 1959. 559 00:35:01.510 --> 00:35:07.929 So what we have, you know, rock again, it was 560 00:35:08.349 --> 00:35:10.199 created by the radio. 561 00:35:10.510 --> 00:35:10.760 Okay. 562 00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:13.599 Without the mass media, if it wasn't on the radio, 563 00:35:14.429 --> 00:35:16.750 it would not have happened. And the one thing is 564 00:35:16.769 --> 00:35:19.449 that if something is underground a bit, it's going to 565 00:35:19.469 --> 00:35:22.130 be more attractive, right? If you want to attract young people, 566 00:35:22.530 --> 00:35:24.730 et cetera, oh, this is different. This is our music. 567 00:35:25.150 --> 00:35:27.889 And it was also associated with car radio, having sex 568 00:35:27.929 --> 00:35:31.179 in the car, right? And this code rock, you know, 569 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.420 various coded words. And we actually, rock came from the 570 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.760 jump blues, which is an R & B form. And 571 00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:41.780 then they slowed it down, et cetera. But this whole movement, 572 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.789 rock died. original rock, everybody either died or was put 573 00:35:46.829 --> 00:35:48.780 in jail in 1959. 574 00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:48.949 Right. 575 00:35:48.989 --> 00:35:51.530 So that plane crash, you know, and then of course, 576 00:35:51.739 --> 00:35:54.500 American pie, I've talked about that. So that song has 577 00:35:54.980 --> 00:35:58.119 a lot to it. That song expresses that, but in 578 00:35:58.139 --> 00:36:04.199 a sense, this is that cusp of you have this lull, right? So, and, 579 00:36:04.340 --> 00:36:07.380 and so, and, you know, as I always emphasize that, 580 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:11.000 you know, 19, so the, the impetus, so that the 581 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.239 Harry Smith anthology is, Um, you know, you have basically 582 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.070 this folk movement, um, you know, all that stuff. So 583 00:36:17.090 --> 00:36:19.789 you have people, you know, cause rock is basically gone. 584 00:36:20.010 --> 00:36:20.309 Okay. 585 00:36:20.449 --> 00:36:23.590 It didn't, everybody was gone. Elvis is in the army, 586 00:36:23.969 --> 00:36:26.500 you know, uh, all the other guys are, you know, 587 00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.760 marrying 13, 12 year old girls and, or else, you know, 588 00:36:29.780 --> 00:36:33.039 they're dying in accidents or, you know, et cetera. So 589 00:36:33.139 --> 00:36:36.849 rock just ended. So then you have this very kids music. 590 00:36:37.179 --> 00:36:40.559 very cheesy kind of pop music. And this goes on 591 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.179 for about five years. 592 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:42.800 Okay. 593 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.659 You have novelty songs. You have, you know, there's like, 594 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.340 say surf music, whatever, but then the whole, and we're 595 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:54.690 still living in 1950s America until even then you have 596 00:36:54.710 --> 00:36:57.050 the trauma, of course, of the Kennedy assassination. But 66 597 00:36:57.050 --> 00:37:01.070 is where all this just dropped and it just dropped 598 00:37:01.150 --> 00:37:04.989 and it transformed our entire fabric of our, this is 599 00:37:05.050 --> 00:37:08.630 how powerful this was in just three years, man. Just 600 00:37:08.650 --> 00:37:12.369 think about it. This is the longest COVID lasted 67, eight, 601 00:37:12.590 --> 00:37:16.719 nine 70. You have Altamont, the human sacrifice, the ritual 602 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:21.579 sacrificing and harvesting of everyone's positive intentions. We're going to 603 00:37:21.619 --> 00:37:24.539 change the world. Love will change the world. We have 604 00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:28.500 our sacrificial ritual at Altamont. Well, and then suddenly we 605 00:37:28.539 --> 00:37:30.920 moved to the next phase, but now you've gone through 606 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:37.809 this initiation process. ritual process, separation, initiation, return, but you 607 00:37:37.849 --> 00:37:42.300 return to a new reality transformation, right? This is Victor Turner. Um, 608 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:44.860 so I think that's the 59 thing is very important 609 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:49.019 because that is the cusp of this juncture point. Right. 610 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.039 And so, and then one last point is that the 611 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.400 thing about the amnesia, um, so in the book, and 612 00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:58.599 I did not get a chance to rewatch the movie, 613 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:02.590 just a confession, but, uh, Anyways, but I mean, I've 614 00:38:02.610 --> 00:38:04.909 seen it before like five times, but the fact is 615 00:38:04.929 --> 00:38:08.269 that basically in the book, he is a high level adept. 616 00:38:08.650 --> 00:38:13.969 He is a very advanced practitioner. And so he actually 617 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:20.699 installs the amnesia on himself as a protective measure. So 618 00:38:20.780 --> 00:38:27.099 this is self-installed amnesia. The amnesia, this mind control is 619 00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:32.230 his protection tool. against the debt being called back in. 620 00:38:32.349 --> 00:38:36.900 As long as

he doesn't remember, he cannot be called 621 00:38:36.940 --> 00:38:37.579 to account. 622 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.519 And that's the big crescendo at the end. When he 623 00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:46.460 finally remembers is when he gets harvested. Because he has 624 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:50.070 to know what's happening for the justice to work. 625 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:54.250 What's your opinion? 626 00:38:54.269 --> 00:38:56.309 Go ahead. 627 00:38:56.329 --> 00:38:56.869 Go ahead, William. 628 00:38:56.889 --> 00:38:57.269 I'm sorry. 629 00:38:57.949 --> 00:38:59.429 I wasn't going to say anything, but I was just, 630 00:38:59.449 --> 00:39:03.889 what's your thoughts about, what's your thoughts about Hjortzberg as 631 00:39:03.929 --> 00:39:06.550 an author? If you read the books, Hans. 632 00:39:07.900 --> 00:39:14.579 He's okay. It's, it's, it's kind of in a noir genre. 633 00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:21.150 So he's a decent writer. I wasn't, I mean, he's decent, 634 00:39:21.590 --> 00:39:24.570 you know, he's not, I mean, it's, you know, the 635 00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:27.389 second book is very, you know, you could say it's 636 00:39:27.409 --> 00:39:31.079 very pro, Satanic almost. you know, because it's that whole 637 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.380 thing of where he, he beats the devil and has 638 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:37.980 a lot of stuff. He glosses this in kind of 639 00:39:38.019 --> 00:39:40.869 a positive way. Right. So it's like Harry angels, a 640 00:39:40.929 --> 00:39:45.329 morality and basically evil nature is shown to be kind 641 00:39:45.369 --> 00:39:47.750 of cool. Right. But it's kind of like the anti-hero. Right. 642 00:39:47.769 --> 00:39:49.760 So you can find a bunch of, So I'd say, 643 00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:53.139 you know, genre fiction, I would, I wouldn't say it's literature, 644 00:39:53.179 --> 00:39:55.880 but you know, it's, you know, he's a very good writer, 645 00:39:55.940 --> 00:40:00.840 but it's definitely, you know, noir genre fiction. Um, and not, 646 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.739 I mean, it's not like reading Thomas Pynchon or something. 647 00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:07.650 I mean, it's, it's, uh, you know, but he, it, again, 648 00:40:07.670 --> 00:40:12.389 he really, he sells it. He sells Harry angel as 649 00:40:12.469 --> 00:40:16.130 like a hero, right? Harry angel is the hero. Um, 650 00:40:16.590 --> 00:40:19.530 but yeah, writing style, I'd say, you know, uh, high level, 651 00:40:19.909 --> 00:40:22.909 you know, say Dashiell Hammett type of, you know, you know, that, 652 00:40:22.969 --> 00:40:25.690 that level, literary level in terms of writing style. 653 00:40:28.050 --> 00:40:32.050 That's fascinating to, yeah, to learn that it, that that 654 00:40:32.090 --> 00:40:35.190 was a change in the novel that he forgets it 655 00:40:35.269 --> 00:40:39.610 because why then to change it to this military trauma 656 00:40:39.650 --> 00:40:43.489 thing and, and then he had to associate that with 657

00:40:43.530 --> 00:40:48.349 the pop star. And there are, specific if you look 658 00:40:48.409 --> 00:40:51.789 closely in the movie you'll see bills for which are 659 00:40:52.489 --> 00:40:55.050 these movies were are anachronistic in terms of when this 660 00:40:55.090 --> 00:40:58.820 happened but elvis is a double trouble okay and then 661 00:40:58.900 --> 00:41:01.840 nashville rebels right whale jay is very telling and as 662 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:03.760 we discussed i think in the episode if you look 663 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:08.280 at the plots of those movies and just the whole 664 00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:10.849 thing with elvis right is he you know did he 665 00:41:10.869 --> 00:41:14.010 really die and the doubling thing and the impersonator the 666 00:41:14.050 --> 00:41:17.300 double trouble and the whole monarch sort of mind control 667 00:41:17.340 --> 00:41:21.469 trope of the double and the, the, the twin. And, uh, it's, 668 00:41:22.090 --> 00:41:26.150 it's clear, I think that they're suggesting something like, again, 669 00:41:26.190 --> 00:41:29.449 like the IMSA theory here, the Illuminati mind slave artist 670 00:41:29.510 --> 00:41:33.969 theory in association with Satanism and, and the third world 671 00:41:34.030 --> 00:41:37.239 demonism in connection with elite Satanism and the rest of it, 672 00:41:37.269 --> 00:41:40.050 the whole complex, the Epstein complex, perhaps, or whatever we're 673 00:41:40.070 --> 00:41:44.750 going to eventually have to have to call it. But, um, Yeah, 674 00:41:44.849 --> 00:41:50.840 so I just wanted to underscore that, too, that that 675 00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:55.179 change in the plot, I think, really brings home kind 676 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:56.559 of what they're trying to suggest with that. 677 00:41:59.300 --> 00:42:01.809 It's got the same morality with the end of Ninth Gate, 678 00:42:02.269 --> 00:42:06.969 where the immoral loser, Johnny Depp, walks right into the 679 00:42:07.070 --> 00:42:11.550 afterlife with his body, like Enoch, just like, oh, yeah, 680 00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:13.409 that's how you do it. Apotheosis, right? 681 00:42:14.510 --> 00:42:18.449 Yeah, but it's the same theme as this. If Johnny 682 00:42:18.530 --> 00:42:23.389 Favorite or whatever becomes, or Harry Angel becomes Satan, that's 683 00:42:23.449 --> 00:42:26.800 basically what Depp does in The Ninth Gate, right? He basically, 684 00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:32.000 Boris Balkan gets double-crossed, and it's Depp's character was a 685 00:42:32.099 --> 00:42:33.500 Corsi or something like that. 686 00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:34.610 Corsi, yeah. 687 00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:36.050 Enters the Ninth Gate. 688 00:42:36.150 --> 00:42:36.989 Yeah, he's the main character. 689 00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:43.000 Yeah, and he, like, fornicates with the angel-demon thing, like the, 690 00:42:43.219 --> 00:42:47.010 you know, like the beast, the, you know, mystery Babylon. 691 00:42:47.769 --> 00:42:48.630 Yeah, but it's the. 692 00:42:48.550 --> 00:42:49.789 Beast, right? Yeah, right. 693 00:42:50.590 --> 00:42:52.849 You may really, yeah, you may really be onto something, 694 00:42:52.869 --> 00:42:56.449 and the direct comparison between those two movies, too, because 695 00:42:57.590 --> 00:43:02.599 the thing about Depp being kind of marked as a fool, right? 696 00:43:02.619 --> 00:43:04.840 I think maybe they even associate the tarot fool with 697 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:06.280 him or something, I can't remember. It's been a while 698 00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:09.159 since I've seen Ninth Gate, but Clearly, Harry is marked 699 00:43:09.219 --> 00:43:10.840 as a fool in all kinds of ways. Now, that thing, 700 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.860 this nose that he wears throughout the movie, that's a 701 00:43:13.900 --> 00:43:17.260 direct reference. And Stephen DeLay, I think, picked up on 702 00:43:17.300 --> 00:43:19.619 that and told me because he was doing this Chinatown work. 703 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:21.579 That clearly has something to do with Chinatown. And then 704 00:43:21.619 --> 00:43:24.099 if you look into it, yeah, I think Parker even 705 00:43:24.139 --> 00:43:28.670 admits that's directly inspired by Chinatown. But the idea, well, 706 00:43:28.710 --> 00:43:31.570 there's a lot of stuff attached to that. And he's nosy. 707 00:43:31.670 --> 00:43:33.670 And so that's what happens to you when you're nosy. 708 00:43:33.769 --> 00:43:35.570 But it's also to mark him as kind of a 709 00:43:35.630 --> 00:43:40.219 fool and a boob. And it's the same thing with Harry. Like, 710 00:43:40.389 --> 00:43:42.670 Harry only figures out, like, oh, I get it. Like, 711 00:43:42.929 --> 00:43:45.469 Louis Cipher, that's Lucifer. Like, he's the last one to 712 00:43:45.530 --> 00:43:48.289 figure that out. Like, that's meant for the audience to 713 00:43:48.329 --> 00:43:52.050 get right away. So, yeah, there he is. That's a 714 00:43:52.070 --> 00:43:54.400 good shot to give you the idea. Harry's also just 715 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:55.519 meant to be a schmuck. 716 00:43:55.900 --> 00:43:59.639 Ah, look at the hand sign right there. 717 00:43:59.659 --> 00:44:02.780 Oh, there's so many Masonic hand signs throughout. So many 718 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:03.780 Hollywood movies. 719 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.719 So many symbols and hand signs and spiral staircases and 720 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.349 all this stuff. It's all through this film, guys. 721 00:44:10.829 --> 00:44:15.250 So he's on the wheel, like the wheel of fortune, 722 00:44:15.530 --> 00:44:18.510 like the wheel, like that's even featured in the, in 723 00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.900 the head, like the anti-tarot in, in the ninth gate 724 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.239 where one of them, like there was people on the 725 00:44:25.300 --> 00:44:28.659 rack on the wheel, you know, But like this, that 726 00:44:28.739 --> 00:44:31.380 Wonder Wheel behind him is featured a couple of times 727 00:44:31.460 -->

00:44:34.719 when he's walking up to the beach and like he's 728 00:44:34.780 --> 00:44:39.800 featured with the Wonder Wheel prominent. And then the spinning fans. 729 00:44:41.980 --> 00:44:46.960 That's like the the rolling of his fate. You know, 730 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:52.199 it's I think that him being on the wheel is 731 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.769 like the inevitability of his. He's already sowed the seeds, 732 00:44:58.849 --> 00:45:01.289 so now he's going to reap the rewards because it's 733 00:45:01.329 --> 00:45:03.070 coming up the other end. You know what I mean? 734 00:45:03.090 --> 00:45:05.909 You go up one side, but then you go down again. 735 00:45:07.070 --> 00:45:11.840 I think that's a visual element that's heavily used, and 736 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.219 that is even in the tarot. 737 00:45:14.539 --> 00:45:19.780 Well, this also relates to, you could say, the homunculus 738 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:23.420 and the as above, so below, and this has to 739 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:26.960 do with these where he's pointing down right so that 740 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:32.039 downward pointing finger right he's pointing down and this shows 741 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.400 that essentially you know you look at it as what's 742 00:45:35.500 --> 00:45:40.619 on the surface okay great simple example left right paradigm 743 00:45:40.780 --> 00:45:44.719 right left right paradigm they're the same right but there's 744 00:45:44.940 --> 00:45:50.119 also this occult double of where they fracture the personality 745 00:45:50.139 --> 00:45:55.010 they create this separate entity And this entity will receive, 746 00:45:55.489 --> 00:45:58.170 the entity cannot get out of the prison because the 747 00:45:58.210 --> 00:46:02.510 entity is self-reflexively inside this, you could say this field 748 00:46:02.570 --> 00:46:07.449 of governance that's there. But in this case, what's distinct 749 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.929 is that in a certain way, if you look at it, 750 00:46:11.219 --> 00:46:14.059 like the history of popular music, we kind of push 751 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.239 it ahead to the rock era, which of course is, 752 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:19.659 you know, the second book goes into sort of, I mean, 753 00:46:19.699 --> 00:46:21.579 not so much into music, but it goes into that 754 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:28.880 modern future. But essentially, it's like saying that, okay, you 755 00:46:28.940 --> 00:46:33.440 entire nation of America, you have been under this particular 756 00:46:33.820 --> 00:46:36.829 occult programming. And in fact, you're going to wake up 757 00:46:36.889 --> 00:46:40.349 and find that what's real is only the satanic reality. 758 00:46:40.590 --> 00:46:44.670 You must embrace it. And in this case, he becomes like, 759 00:46:44.829 --> 00:46:49.679 for the audience, subconsciously almost identifying with this. So it's like, 760 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.559 you know, the movie Jacob's Ladder in a certain way, 761 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:56.150 he wakes up, right? In this case, he wakes down, right? 762 00:46:56.309 --> 00:47:00.690 He wakes down into, you know, the infernal realms and saying, well, 763 00:47:00.710 --> 00:47:04.139 that's what really I am at essence, right? I wake 764 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.099 up from my amnesia. I'm not connected with God. I am, 765 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.719 you know, I am at, well, of course, he's the leader. 766 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.099 I become Satan. But in a certain way, this is 767 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:23.210 the unconscious absorption of all these inputs. It's you know, 768 00:47:23.409 --> 00:47:26.590 like ninth gate, you know, all these things, it's a mystery, 769 00:47:26.630 --> 00:47:29.239 but then at the end you find, Oh no, you're 770 00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:33.480 actually one, you know, you become the satanic master. Right. 771 00:47:33.820 --> 00:47:34.920 You know what I'm saying? So is that, I don't 772 00:47:34.940 --> 00:47:36.340 know if that makes sense, but. 773 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.429 Yeah, because you, because the key, this is what I, 774 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:40.500 I mean, this is how, what I identify is really 775 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:43.949 cinematic revelation of the method, because you are to identify 776 00:47:43.989 --> 00:47:48.309 with the protagonist. In that case, the deputy here, it's the, 777 00:47:48.989 --> 00:47:52.400 the schmuck ish, Harry angel who still, who wants the 778 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.599 truth really badly. All right. But yeah, so he's, he's 779 00:47:57.619 --> 00:48:01.869 the one you're being initiated as the viewer through, through him. 780 00:48:01.949 --> 00:48:05.130 And it's showing you what the entertainment industry has done 781 00:48:05.190 --> 00:48:07.949 to you as it continues to do it to you. 782 00:48:08.730 --> 00:48:11.880 And so it is a ritual. So no wonder they 783 00:48:11.900 --> 00:48:14.579 want all these ritual details and things to be, to 784 00:48:14.619 --> 00:48:16.199 be exact, because I mean, the film is a kind 785 00:48:16.219 --> 00:48:17.719 of ritual. I mean, that was my reading of it. 786 00:48:17.780 --> 00:48:20.940 It's a, It's a very malicious film. I mean, we 787 00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:24.760 don't really analyze the artistic qualities of movies so much 788 00:48:24.820 --> 00:48:27.179 as the manipulative qualities. But I mean, I praise the 789 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:29.900 artistry of the movie. Well put. I mean, Shondur, the 790 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.480 texture of it and all the detail. And Jacob's Ladder 791 00:48:32.539 --> 00:48:35.630 actually is another film comparable in level of and even 792 00:48:35.650 --> 00:48:39.110 more so maybe in all those kind of qualities. But otherwise, 793 00:48:39.130 --> 00:48:42.969 it's a malicious movie. Hollywood hates you. It doesn't like you. 794 00:48:43.900 --> 00:48:45.679 and it makes these things to hurt you. I know 795 00:48:45.699

--> 00:48:50.710 that's hard for some people to believe, but it's psychological warfare. Uh, and, 796 00:48:50.789 --> 00:48:53.030 and that's what it is. Right. And that's, and we 797 00:48:53.050 --> 00:48:54.639 can go into some of the details of it to, 798 00:48:54.769 --> 00:48:56.989 to make the point if that's not convincing, but it's 799 00:48:57.429 --> 00:48:59.110 part of the message too, is that he doesn't, do 800 00:48:59.130 --> 00:49:02.590 you think about like, like Satan is lying to him, right? It's, 801 00:49:02.780 --> 00:49:04.619 it's kind of basically the, the ultimate message that he 802 00:49:04.659 --> 00:49:08.960 doesn't have, um, that he doesn't have free will, um, 803 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.559 you know, that he, that he doesn't have a choice, 804 00:49:11.659 --> 00:49:15.539 which is the, um, which is the lie that sort 805 00:49:15.579 --> 00:49:18.079 of built into that whole sort of like faustian stories 806 00:49:18.139 --> 00:49:20.119 of Satan could constrain your soul. That mean you wouldn't 807 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.039 have free, free will. You can't be, this is bad theology. 808 00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:27.360 It's also a bad theology. Protestants think you're saved and 809 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.460 you can't be unsaved. No, I can go make a 810 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.219 deal with the devil. I'm still saved. It doesn't matter now. 811 00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:32.579 Like that's ridiculous. 812 00:49:33.389 --> 00:49:33.679 Right. 813 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:39.750 So, He has free will until he remembers who he 814 00:49:39.869 --> 00:49:43.010 is and what he's done. You know what I mean? 815 00:49:43.610 --> 00:49:46.840 The wiping of his own memory allows him to go 816 00:49:46.900 --> 00:49:52.099 be Harry Angel and then Satan can't get him because 817 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.739 he doesn't remember. But then once he remembers, then he 818 00:49:58.780 --> 00:50:01.389 doesn't fight with Satan. He's like, yep, okay, I deserve it. 819 00:50:01.420 --> 00:50:02.280 I'll go with you. 820 00:50:03.219 --> 00:50:07.280 But that's the cult programming. He's committed these terrible acts 821 00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:10.639 and so he believes he's under some kind of spiritual 822 00:50:10.699 --> 00:50:12.760 constraint when he's not really. That's a lie. 823 00:50:12.820 --> 00:50:15.420 Right, like he could have read Faust and been like, I. 824 00:50:15.389 --> 00:50:18.269 Could just cheat the devil. And the film wants you 825 00:50:18.309 --> 00:50:21.550 to believe basically that you've been destroyed. Your soul has 826 00:50:21.590 --> 00:50:23.849 been destroyed. It belongs to Satan. It belongs to the 827 00:50:23.889 --> 00:50:26.929 entertainment industry. And I mean, we don't have time, but 828 00:50:26.949 --> 00:50:29.630 I could cross-reference, you know, whatever, hundreds of movies. This 829 00:50:29.710 --> 00:50:32.409 is just the stock and trade of this, this industry, 830 00:50:32.429

--> 00:50:34.070 you just get this over. So when you see this 831 00:50:34.150 --> 00:50:36.289 pattern over and over again, like you learn how to, 832 00:50:36.829 --> 00:50:38.349 how to, how to read it. And this is a 833 00:50:38.409 --> 00:50:42.489 very elaborate and well done and very malicious version of this. 834 00:50:42.530 --> 00:50:44.449 And that's why it's remembered. A lot of people will 835 00:50:44.489 --> 00:50:47.110 remember it apart from the stupid glowing eyes at the end, 836 00:50:47.139 --> 00:50:50.940 which Parker regretted. I mean, they'll remember the twist of this, 837 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.460 this movie, which I think that's another, you know, comparison 838 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:55.599 to Jacob's ladder. I kind of discovered this movie through 839 00:50:55.619 --> 00:50:58.579 the Jacob's ladder is, you know, was one of my 840 00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:02.360 favorite movies. I watched it, you know, 50, 100 times. 841 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:02.880 I don't know. 842 00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:05.929 And I wanted to find movies like it. And you 843 00:51:05.989 --> 00:51:11.289 eventually sort of stumble on Angel Heart. Interesting too that Rourke, 844 00:51:11.570 --> 00:51:14.050 you look at the movie Johnny Handsome that Rourke did, 845 00:51:14.090 --> 00:51:17.030 which is kind of a bomb. It's an interesting movie, 846 00:51:17.050 --> 00:51:19.949 but he has having facial, it's just that same motif 847 00:51:20.010 --> 00:51:23.159 of facial reconstruction. And then you think of what actually 848 00:51:23.219 --> 00:51:27.039 happened to Rourke after that, like the face stuff, like 849 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:32.829 whatever's happened. with his fate. Boxing, maybe steroids, I don't know. 850 00:51:34.329 --> 00:51:37.570 There's something going on there as well as it's saying 851 00:51:37.630 --> 00:51:41.690 something about what was going on with Rourke and the industry. 852 00:51:42.389 --> 00:51:48.539 I'm not really sure. I wanted to mention that. I 853 00:51:48.579 --> 00:51:51.699 don't think it's a coincidence, like the Johnny Handsome thing 854 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.099 and this and then what happens later with his face. 855 00:51:55.019 --> 00:51:57.000 Because in Johnny Handsome, the idea is that was when 856 00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:00.860 Rourke was still considered you know like the tom cruise 857 00:52:01.019 --> 00:52:03.400 of that time and then um. 858 00:52:04.300 --> 00:52:06.159 He's treated that way in this movie all the women 859 00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:08.510 but in the movie yeah right but in the movie 860 00:52:08.530 --> 00:52:10.489 in that movie he's also he has to play this 861 00:52:10.530 --> 00:52:12.469 guy with a face that's messed up which would become 862 00:52:12.909 --> 00:52:14.070 like him in the future. 863 00:52:13.809 --> 00:52:18.170 Reality yeah yeah and so what we really have is 864 00:52:18.190 --> 00:52:21.269 that if you look at you know the whole history 865 00:52:22.050 --> 00:52:27.219 of our particular species our biological species homo sapiens right 866 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.929 a we can call. And, but you have unique cultures 867 00:52:31.110 --> 00:52:36.809 and races. Ideally within that culture, the literature, the grounding 868 00:52:37.309 --> 00:52:41.769 is going to lead you to a point of, you know, 869 00:52:41.869 --> 00:52:47.650 higher access, right? Something beyond yourself, something that's meaningful to find. 870 00:52:47.769 --> 00:52:50.250 At least it's there. You may not recognize it. You 871 00:52:50.289 --> 00:52:53.760 may turn away from it, but these actors, right? Mickey 872 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:56.300 Rourke is like an archetype, right? So he was, what 873 00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:00.210 was that movie? Um, Oh, God, was it that with. 874 00:53:00.250 --> 00:53:02.219 They took my thumbs, Charlie. 875 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:04.420 No, no, the SC Hinton. 876 00:53:04.460 --> 00:53:05.139 What was it? 877 00:53:05.340 --> 00:53:07.360 Oh, God. Rumblefish. Rumblefish. 878 00:53:07.460 --> 00:53:09.800 Oh, yeah. Tom Waits was in that one. 879 00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:15.539 Black and white. But this is like imprinting that adolescence, 880 00:53:16.579 --> 00:53:20.849 early kids. So you're being imprinted psychically with this image 881 00:53:20.889 --> 00:53:23.969 of Mickey Rourke. And you can see this through various actors, 882 00:53:24.010 --> 00:53:29.519 how they carry these archetypal images and energies through various films. 883 00:53:29.539 --> 00:53:32.239 We talked about the shining, same thing with Jack Nicholson, right? 884 00:53:32.619 --> 00:53:35.920 He goes through these different things. He's leading you. And 885 00:53:35.940 --> 00:53:43.360 the greater your unconscious identification, especially since if the truncated, 886 00:53:43.539 --> 00:53:47.400 you know, child rearing practices like Dr. Spock, you know, Dr. Spock, 887 00:53:47.420 --> 00:53:50.099 you know, you let your son like swear at you, 888 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:53.099 throw food at you. It's okay. You know, I mean, literally, 889 00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:56.139 you know, this was a Dr. Spock. Not the guy 890 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.139 from Star Trek, but of course he's in Star Trek, 891 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:04.800 but this child rearing thing, right? Emasculation, whatever. These become 892 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:08.119 with the inner mirror, which is supposed to be dissolved. 893 00:54:09.030 --> 00:54:12.670 If you have not resolved this in your own psyche, 894 00:54:13.190 --> 00:54:18.900 you're going to be identifying inadvertently. in your subconscious mind 895 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.340 through this inner mirror with these characters. And you're going 896 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:24.039 to think you're this character. You watch this movie, you're 897 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:27.940 identifying with this protagonist on a subconscious plane. It is 898 00:54:28.039 -->

00:54:32.079 creating a programming that will create all way. It will 899 00:54:32.139 --> 00:54:35.699 not allow you out because you go there and it's like, no, 900 00:54:35.780 --> 00:54:38.690 I'm the evil, right? I have, then finally you just, 901 00:54:39.010 --> 00:54:40.849 they want you to just be knocked back down. Oh, 902 00:54:41.170 --> 00:54:43.989 I accept it. I will, you know, and people do 903 00:54:44.050 --> 00:54:46.469 this because they're all start to afraid or they have 904 00:54:46.570 --> 00:54:51.320 too much Baggage buildup or too much self-esteem. That's another 905 00:54:51.380 --> 00:54:56.219 type of programming. Self-esteem is what? Look at this, self-esteem. 906 00:54:56.530 --> 00:54:59.050 It means what you think other people think about you. 907 00:55:00.070 --> 00:55:02.869 I don't give a damn. I know who I am, period. 908 00:55:03.789 --> 00:55:05.750 If I screw up, then tell me. And if I 909 00:55:05.789 --> 00:55:08.730 can't take it or whatever. But if you, this is 910 00:55:08.769 --> 00:55:12.880 a reflection of a reflection. This is your, without reflection, 911 00:55:13.420 --> 00:55:16.119 did but it's gonna block you because every time you 912 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:20.360 get through the piercingness to connect with something behind yourself 913 00:55:20.409 --> 00:55:22.869 with you know god the creator whatever i'm not getting 914 00:55:22.889 --> 00:55:26.070 into that but basically it will block that and knock 915 00:55:26.110 --> 00:55:28.590 you back down because you're gonna be in your unconscious 916 00:55:28.610 --> 00:55:32.650 mind oh i'm gonna be i'm gonna become like a 917 00:55:32.690 --> 00:55:34.409 city of nine gates or you know what i mean 918 00:55:34.469 --> 00:55:36.719 but so this is and you know i mean this 919 00:55:36.780 --> 00:55:39.440 is the this is how it works i mean unfortunately 920 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.480 Whether or not it's successful on every individual is another thing, 921 00:55:43.539 --> 00:55:45.800 but I think we can see the fruits of this 922 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:47.420 in our contemporary culture. 923 00:55:48.510 --> 00:55:54.210 I am motorcycle boy. I just had this on the screen, 924 00:55:54.230 --> 00:56:00.469 this image, because of the obvious split brain that Harold 925 00:56:00.550 --> 00:56:05.280 Angel is here. He's in silhouette, and the silhouette he's 926 00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.699 lit behind him with the lighting of the window and 927 00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.239 the line of the frame of the window splits his 928 00:56:11.260 --> 00:56:15.090 head right down the middle and that's like another like 929 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:20.250 he's got two people inside you know twin flame or 930 00:56:20.289 --> 00:56:23.090 whatever you call those furries or whatever but I mean 931 00:56:23.929 --> 00:56:28.090 you know this is and it like us what you 932 00:56:28.130 --> 00:56:32.389 know if we're gonna imagine ourselves to be motorcycle boy

933 00:56:32.409 --> 00:56:37.710 then we too are going to have split brain where 934 00:56:37.889 --> 00:56:41.630 we don't have conscious control of our own self. Right. 935 00:56:41.670 --> 00:56:44.110 You know, we will identify it. That's what Hans is saying. 936 00:56:46.429 --> 00:56:46.610 Yeah. 937 00:56:46.710 --> 00:56:51.389 And that's this obsession, right. With, with Hollywood, with, with 938 00:56:51.449 --> 00:56:59.960 trauma and split personality and dissociation. And it, The carnival thing, 939 00:56:59.980 --> 00:57:02.159 to go back to where the still was before, this 940 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:04.679 is very important. And then it turns out that Margaret Cruzmark, 941 00:57:05.420 --> 00:57:09.000 that's where she got tangled up with Johnny, later to 942 00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:13.679 be Harry, because even though she comes from this super elite, 943 00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:17.820 you know, southern royalty type of family, it turns out 944 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:21.840 she's a palm reader in a carnival. And all this is, 945 00:57:21.860 --> 00:57:23.929 these details are really important because you have the carnival, 946 00:57:23.969 --> 00:57:28.179 here's somehow the intersection between the high and low, you know, 947 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.840 culture and socioeconomic classes. 948 00:57:31.070 --> 00:57:32.690 Oh, and Coney Island. Right. 949 00:57:33.750 --> 00:57:34.050 Yeah. 950 00:57:34.150 --> 00:57:37.449 And she has re and she's a real occultist, but 951 00:57:37.510 --> 00:57:42.829 she's doing this kind of low carnival gag. And that's 952 00:57:42.909 --> 00:57:45.380 also just part of the occult, how it hides in 953 00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.420 plain sight and the relationship between real and stage magic 954 00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:52.059 and all these kind of tried and true themes that 955 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.519 all that's being all that's being implied there and again 956 00:57:54.579 --> 00:57:57.679 with the the carnival itself i think it's some way 957 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.400 representing the entertainment industry there's a bunch of movies from 958 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:05.309 todd uh um brown's freaks and so on that that 959 00:58:05.349 --> 00:58:07.329 make that that point in the whole idea you know 960 00:58:07.349 --> 00:58:10.730 the carnival has its own sort of uh religion its 961 00:58:11.110 --> 00:58:14.250 own sort of ethic and its own underground uh. 962 00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:19.789 Culture carnies have their own morals right yeah they go from. 963 00:58:19.730 --> 00:58:25.030 Town to town yeah yeah yeah right um but here 964 00:58:25.070 --> 00:58:28.429 we see on the screen is madame kruzmark's uh little 965 00:58:28.590 --> 00:58:30.500 flyer that she's got and it's. 966 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:35.139 You know read your palm what your horoscope the regular 967 00:58:36.099 --> 00:58:40.260 you know uh one reading will convince you that she 968 00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.420 can help you in any problem you may have and 969 00:58:42.460 --> 00:58:46.829 it's got you know the eye of providence and five 970 00:58:46.969 --> 00:58:51.000 seven one like it seems pretty witchy and you know 971 00:58:51.019 --> 00:58:54.539 i got a tarot card on a palm so that 972 00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:57.360 it's it's kind of the pop but that same thing 973 00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:01.159 goes with the voodoo they do the same stuff and 974 00:59:01.179 --> 00:59:04.829 i mean just like in salem and massachusetts like people 975 00:59:04.889 --> 00:59:07.800 that right now they're they're at cause it's like right 976 00:59:07.820 --> 00:59:11.679 before Halloween, everybody's in the streets and everybody's like celebrating 977 00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:16.570 some people getting hanged in public. Like it's very weird, 978 00:59:16.610 --> 00:59:19.969 but they turn it into this like cartoon thing and 979 00:59:20.210 --> 00:59:24.449 they they'll sell you even with Louisiana. There's the voodoo. 980 00:59:24.989 --> 00:59:29.639 There's like cartoon voodoo that people do like, performances out 981 00:59:29.659 --> 00:59:32.059 in the open and you know it's a big you 982 00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:37.760 know it's it's the the esoteric and the exoteric it's 983 00:59:37.820 --> 00:59:41.170 really pushed hard it's divided but there is real voodoo 984 00:59:41.510 --> 00:59:45.969 in in louisiana you know um but it's covered over 985 00:59:46.110 --> 00:59:50.929 with the mask of this you know playtime oh don't 986 00:59:50.969 --> 00:59:53.630 believe it it's just a bunch of you know foolery 987 00:59:54.070 --> 00:59:56.070 you know what i mean but it's just like this 988 00:59:56.110 --> 01:00:00.110 it covers over the deep real of madam cruzmark who 989 01:00:00.409 --> 01:00:04.030 has that you know pendant with the upside down star 990 01:00:04.170 --> 01:00:07.090 on it i mean the director goes gets pretty blatant 991 01:00:07.210 --> 01:00:09.610 with his symbolism sometimes in this movie go. 992 01:00:09.550 --> 01:00:12.289 Ahead well no i mean so right here like the 993 01:00:12.550 --> 01:00:15.710 in the film poster right as above so below see 994 01:00:15.750 --> 01:00:18.610 this right here as above so below in the film 995 01:00:18.650 --> 01:00:23.369 poster as above right robert de niro below as above 996 01:00:23.409 --> 01:00:28.289 so below and this inversionary thing um Right? So the 997 01:00:28.409 --> 01:00:32.000 as above, so below. Right? And here's below. Here's you. 998 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.440 Here's you, the viewer. Do you mind going back to 999 01:00:34.460 --> 01:00:40.440 that other slide you just did? That one with the reading? No, no. Well, 1000 01:00:40.460 --> 01:00:45.469 they're wonder wheel, right? So here's the wheel, the wonder wheel. 1001 01:00:45.570 --> 01:00:51.369 You're being awed. It's a spectacle. It's amazing. Look at Hollywood. Oh, 1002 01:00:51.409 --> 01:00:54.769 look at these

huge rock stars. Look at these amazing people. 1003 01:00:54.969 --> 01:00:59.289 I'm in awe. I'm in wonder, right? Wonder Woman, Wonder Wheel, 1004 01:01:00.050 --> 01:01:02.070 no lifeguard on duty. 1005 01:01:02.699 --> 01:01:03.179 Right. 1006 01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:03.739 Yeah. 1007 01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:04.380 Danger. 1008 01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:04.800 Right. 1009 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.239 And look at the red wonder as above. So below 1010 01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.059 we see that same, see that same thing right there. Right. 1011 01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:12.340 The red notice this triangle. 1012 01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:12.579 Right. 1013 01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.760 So this, all this is being, I forget the guy 1014 01:01:15.780 --> 01:01:19.139 that wrote this book, but it's, I encountered a long 1015 01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:21.139 time ago, but he talks about how the real messages 1016 01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:25.269 of a movie is in the background details that are subconsciously. 1017 01:01:25.389 --> 01:01:25.630 Right. 1018 01:01:26.099 --> 01:01:31.130 This is a subconscious or unconscious imprinting. And let's go 1019 01:01:31.150 --> 01:01:32.489 to the, if you don't mind going to the next one, 1020 01:01:32.530 --> 01:01:36.489 you just showed Sean. Yeah. So this is very potent. 1021 01:01:36.510 --> 01:01:39.929 So like in, in the, again, I did not rewatch 1022 01:01:39.949 --> 01:01:42.230 the movie, but in the book, so she is like, 1023 01:01:42.409 --> 01:01:45.449 this is the link and it shows she's very much 1024 01:01:45.769 --> 01:01:50.030 part of high society and part of elite, elite ritual, 1025 01:01:50.090 --> 01:01:54.670 satanic bloodlines. Right. And the, the, the, the sort of 1026 01:01:54.750 --> 01:01:58.610 the arising, you know, the new, whatever you call it, 1027 01:01:58.630 --> 01:02:04.150 like Madonna, the ISIS or whatever, etc. But here, all 1028 01:02:04.210 --> 01:02:07.150 this is, you're not even, this is all your subconscious 1029 01:02:07.210 --> 01:02:11.110 mind is seeing this as above, so below all the symbols, five, seven, one, 1030 01:02:11.550 --> 01:02:15.050 the eye in the pyramid, nine to nine. And so 1031 01:02:15.530 --> 01:02:19.630 helps on all affairs of life, such in life. no 1032 01:02:19.710 --> 01:02:24.980 lifeguard on duty, right? So all of us are creating, okay, consciously, 1033 01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:27.000 you're not going to see it. This is why it's 1034 01:02:27.019 --> 01:02:30.340 so important, what we're doing, I think, at least for me, 1035 01:02:31.019 --> 01:02:33.679 I don't care. That's fine, because I have high, I 1036 01:02:33.699 --> 01:02:37.159 don't need self-esteem. I just have esteem for creation. That's it. 1037 01:02:37.579 --> 01:02:41.230 But 571, all these things are, these are all, this 1038 01:02:41.289 --> 01:02:46.010 is literally, this is occult symbolic programming that is creating 1039 01:02:46.050 --> 01:02:49.889 this interconnected network right so i just wanted like that's 1040 01:02:49.909 --> 01:02:52.869 an amazing uh just a great um picture to show 1041 01:02:52.889 --> 01:02:55.250 that like how many things are there that your mind 1042 01:02:55.329 --> 01:02:58.619 is even the 25th frame or whatever your subconscious mind 1043 01:02:58.659 --> 01:03:01.300 is gonna you're uncut you will cease it right so 1044 01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:04.920 this is so important all this is being registered within 1045 01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:08.570 you as you're in the space of wonder oh it's 1046 01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:10.309 wonder it's so wonderful. 1047 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:15.619 Warriors come out and play every time I see that 1048 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:19.289 wonder wheel, I think of that warriors movie. But yeah, 1049 01:03:19.449 --> 01:03:22.650 I mean, some of the symbolism is like pretty blatant, 1050 01:03:22.869 --> 01:03:29.829 like this necklace here, you know? Um, and, uh, I've 1051 01:03:29.869 --> 01:03:35.610 got a lot more images here, but, uh, like the, 1052 01:03:36.010 --> 01:03:38.829 so how about this one when he's walking into the, 1053 01:03:39.230 --> 01:03:48.239 to the, uh, the he's looking down into this like pit, um, 1054 01:03:48.489 --> 01:03:52.190 when he first encounters these, uh, parishioners that are, uh, 1055 01:03:52.429 --> 01:03:58.070 that are yelling and, and their, their priest is John 1056 01:03:59.030 --> 01:04:02.650 or whatever, John something. And he's got a poster that says, uh, 1057 01:04:03.969 --> 01:04:09.090 that he is God. Like here we got this one. So, um, 1058 01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:19.179 love all love pastor john is god and he says 1059 01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:24.539 give me your money you know um so i well 1060 01:04:24.579 --> 01:04:26.639 there's the voodoo oh go ahead. 1061 01:04:26.500 --> 01:04:29.619 Go ahead oh yeah there's this amount you see like 1062 01:04:29.659 --> 01:04:35.909 these weird like uh revivalists looking things going on baptism 1063 01:04:35.929 --> 01:04:38.130 like the the message starts that like the devil is 1064 01:04:38.190 --> 01:04:41.909 actually hiding in all of these um various religious expressions 1065 01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:47.159 I think Parker's even said that. But that's key, that 1066 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:50.619 it's the worship of self, and self as God is 1067 01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:55.230 kind of the core of Satanism here. And there's been 1068 01:04:55.269 --> 01:04:59.670 a ritual murder in this location. That's part of the plot. 1069 01:05:00.150 --> 01:05:03.289 Supposedly he shot himself in the head or something. It 1070 01:05:03.329 --> 01:05:08.579 was a suicide. That's what the woman is crying about when... Here, 1071 01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:15.969 let's see if I can find an image... The woman 1072 01:05:16.010 --> 01:05:20.010 who's scrubbing the blood, the De Niro character scrubbing the blood, 1073 01:05:22.170 --> 01:05:26.670 the lawyer, Winesap, says that he shot

himself in the head. 1074 01:05:28.289 --> 01:05:31.639 And then this woman's cleaning it up. But that woman 1075 01:05:31.659 --> 01:05:35.039 also cleaned up after Harry Angel. That's like the ghost 1076 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:43.980 or whatever. But yeah, that was self-inflicted. Just like what happens... 1077 01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:49.400 when we first see Papa Legba or whatever is that 1078 01:05:49.659 --> 01:05:53.119 the homeless woman in the street, like you don't think 1079 01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.099 she was murdered. Like her wrists are cut and her 1080 01:05:56.219 --> 01:05:59.389 neck is cut. It's like, she did it herself, you know? 1081 01:05:59.909 --> 01:06:05.349 And that's like what the influence of the devil on these, 1082 01:06:05.469 --> 01:06:09.769 you know, it's not a murder, like it's murder for him. No, 1083 01:06:10.070 --> 01:06:10.710 you're right. 1084 01:06:10.750 --> 01:06:10.969 Yeah. 1085 01:06:11.070 --> 01:06:13.489 I just, I have to give us, I have watched 1086 01:06:13.570 --> 01:06:17.949 it many times, but didn't, didn't watch it again. I just, uh, yeah. Well, something, 1087 01:06:17.969 --> 01:06:20.150 it's something is a miss when he comes in here, right? 1088 01:06:20.170 --> 01:06:21.510 There's blood on the walls. 1089 01:06:21.530 --> 01:06:22.429 Yeah. 1090 01:06:22.750 --> 01:06:24.610 This is, this is a, this is a house of 1091 01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:27.510 Satan here, right? That he's entering here in the city. 1092 01:06:27.980 --> 01:06:30.940 That's for sure. And we see the double square, the 1093 01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:35.260 square Tesseract or like under the, under the floor of Freemasonry, 1094 01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:39.809 you know, like, um, and then these wheels, the, the, uh, 1095 01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:45.880 six pointed stars that are spinning like this, these fans, uh, 1096 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:49.159 that's when we first see the fans. And then that's 1097 01:06:49.219 --> 01:06:52.739 like a recurring theme that goes on. 1098 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.340 What is the fan? That's a good, I mean, you, 1099 01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:56.719 you suggested one meaning for the fans, but I mean, 1100 01:06:56.739 --> 01:06:58.119 you also, you can, you have a fair number of 1101 01:06:58.179 --> 01:07:02.079 mind control tropes, like obviously the, the amnesia and the 1102 01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:05.079 new personality thing and the war trauma. And then there's 1103 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.639 the mirrors and the crack mirrors and there's a few 1104 01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:11.460 other things. Um, maybe we'll get into, but I could 1105 01:07:11.500 --> 01:07:14.420 see that too, is the spinning, this like constant spinning, spinning, 1106 01:07:14.500 --> 01:07:20.380 spinning trope. Like everywhere he goes, there's this spinning around thing. I'm, 1107 01:07:20.420 --> 01:07:22.280 you know, I'm not a hundred percent sure what we're 1108 01:07:22.300 --> 01:07:24.079 supposed to make

of it. It's also the air, right? 1109 01:07:24.139 --> 01:07:26.199 Because like Satan is the prince of the air. We 1110 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:29.519 have the air waves that is kind of, this is 1111 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:31.559 the cell he's ruling over the air waves. 1112 01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:37.139 And, you know. Well, the fan is a symbol for 1113 01:07:37.179 --> 01:07:42.090 this vector of motion. without it's like, you're just going 1114 01:07:42.150 --> 01:07:45.880 around in a circle. You're not, it's a static, it's, it's, 1115 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:48.719 it's in motion, but in a certain way, it creates 1116 01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:51.619 the illusion of motion, which is like the, you know, 1117 01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:53.920 the mind is a type of mind control programming where 1118 01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:57.579 you think you're having all these different experiences and situations, 1119 01:07:57.900 --> 01:08:02.800 but you're not right. You're just repeating these, these, these, 1120 01:08:02.949 --> 01:08:08.769 these pattern conditioning things. And so, you know, essentially like it's, 1121 01:08:11.050 --> 01:08:14.230 We identify with him. We say, okay, he wants to 1122 01:08:14.289 --> 01:08:18.350 find the truth. What is going on? People in their lives, 1123 01:08:18.369 --> 01:08:21.909 we're confused. We don't know what the heck is going on. Hey, 1124 01:08:21.949 --> 01:08:24.770 I didn't swear. I deserve a little happy face. 1125 01:08:25.010 --> 01:08:28.189 You get a gold star. I get a gold star. 1126 01:08:29.390 --> 01:08:34.409 Essentially, if you look at, say, the Manichaean, this is 1127 01:08:34.489 --> 01:08:38.979 all Manichaean catharsis. This is the idea, you go back, whatever, 1128 01:08:39.100 --> 01:08:43.140 is that basically you see this in Robert Heinlein, Stranger 1129 01:08:43.180 --> 01:08:46.739 in a Strange Land, various other books, Childhood Ends, or 1130 01:08:46.939 --> 01:08:53.170 Childhood's End, Arthur C. Clarke, is that God, this creation, 1131 01:08:53.329 --> 01:08:55.149 is by its nature. 1132 01:08:56.489 --> 01:08:56.810 Evil. 1133 01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.229 Um satan is the one who's going to set you 1134 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.710 free because this creation is flawed and they have the 1135 01:09:03.770 --> 01:09:06.109 dual god right so this isn't you know a lot 1136 01:09:06.149 --> 01:09:09.810 of the gnostic uh stuff is this dual god you 1137 01:09:09.829 --> 01:09:12.880 have the god that made this world who's or else 1138 01:09:12.899 --> 01:09:15.560 you have the so this is like the kilophot progression 1139 01:09:15.619 --> 01:09:19.899 right see the downward progression he goes down to his 1140 01:09:20.100 --> 01:09:24.600 upward ascension is to death, right? He thinks he's going up, 1141 01:09:24.619 --> 01:09:28.479 he's going down, but he's, it's already pre-programmed. It's predestined. 1142 01:09:28.550 --> 01:09:31.729 It's predetermined. The fan can't get off its track. It 1143 01:09:31.750 --> 01:09:32.409 just keeps going. 1144 01:09:33.369 --> 01:09:35.489 Just like the elevator, you know, he gets in the 1145 01:09:35.529 --> 01:09:39.210 elevator and it's like, he's, it's not his will anymore. 1146 01:09:39.229 --> 01:09:41.989 It's going down. It's taking him. And then he's frozen. 1147 01:09:42.010 --> 01:09:44.600 Like when he gets to the bottom, there's no more motion. 1148 01:09:44.609 --> 01:09:49.989 You notice that? That's, um, That's interesting too. 1149 01:09:52.029 --> 01:09:52.250 Yeah. 1150 01:09:52.569 --> 01:09:55.630 But that, that makes sense. I think that, but that 1151 01:09:55.649 --> 01:09:58.510 goes right along with the, the inevitability of his fate, 1152 01:09:58.949 --> 01:09:59.380 you know? 1153 01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:02.119 Yeah. 1154 01:10:05.060 --> 01:10:09.960 Also, what about, what about the wine sap and Macintosh? 1155 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:12.760 I got a photo. That's right. 1156 01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.550 So we, we get more, yeah, you get more satanic 1157 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.930 tropes there, right? The apple and right. 1158 01:10:18.029 --> 01:10:20.430 And the tree. Yeah. Right. 1159 01:10:20.449 --> 01:10:20.789 Yeah. 1160 01:10:21.770 --> 01:10:25.210 I mean, it's almost, it's like worth reading a bit 1161 01:10:25.250 --> 01:10:28.350 of this, that the speech that Cruz Mark gives at 1162 01:10:28.390 --> 01:10:31.449 the end, when he, we kind of gives, gives the 1163 01:10:31.489 --> 01:10:35.579 whole background away, but you know, in terms of the 1164 01:10:35.659 --> 01:10:39.720 elite Satanism and, and, and talking more about voodoo and, 1165 01:10:40.979 --> 01:10:46.359 how third world demonism overlaps with elite Satanism and stuff. 1166 01:10:46.380 --> 01:10:47.880 But anyway, I think it's worth quoting a little bit 1167 01:10:47.939 --> 01:10:50.119 of this, if you don't mind. So he explains, Johnny 1168 01:10:50.140 --> 01:10:53.750 was engaged to a rich broad, Margaret Cruzmark, Johnny being 1169 01:10:53.789 --> 01:10:57.090 who becomes Harry. Her dad owns half of Louisiana, met 1170 01:10:57.130 --> 01:11:00.489 him at a high school prom. That's from the reporter, sorry. 1171 01:11:00.510 --> 01:11:01.109 Okay. 1172 01:11:01.369 --> 01:11:04.079 Okay. That's the one from the reporter. But then Ethan 1173 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:08.180 Kruzmark said, who got her started? That is Margaret into Satanism. 1174 01:11:08.220 --> 01:11:10.380 And he says, some maid or governess. Who knows? And 1175 01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:12.539 Harry doesn't believe that. There he is. He's like threatening him. 1176 01:11:12.899 --> 01:11:17.029 And finally, he admits, Ethan says, the Prince of Darkness 1177 01:11:17.090 --> 01:11:20.529 protects the powerful. And then I can't help it if 1178 01:11:20.569 --> 01:11:23.789 you don't believe it. And I introduced Johnny Favorite to 1179 01:11:23.850 --> 01:11:26.630 my daughter. I watched him conjure up Lucifer.

Or you 1180 01:11:26.649 --> 01:11:27.670 say it's Lucifuge? 1181 01:11:27.989 --> 01:11:28.720 Yeah, it's right there. 1182 01:11:28.770 --> 01:11:29.109 Lucifuge. 1183 01:11:29.220 --> 01:11:30.739 Yeah, there it is. You're at Lucifuge. 1184 01:11:30.779 --> 01:11:32.880 I have it as Lucifer. He was deeper into it 1185 01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:35.239 than me. He made a, he made a pact with Satan. 1186 01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:37.819 He sold his soul and so on. And I'm just 1187 01:11:37.859 --> 01:11:42.720 like thinking, you know, I don't know if people know this, 1188 01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:44.920 but like, where did the Clintons have their honeymoon? Like 1189 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:49.020 their banker. I'm not making this up. And like Clinton 1190 01:11:49.060 --> 01:11:52.500 writes about it in his autobiography, watching this high level 1191 01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:56.340 voodoo ritual. I mean, that's where you want to go 1192 01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:00.579 to Haiti for your, for your honeymoon, honeymoon. Yeah. 1193 01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:04.500 You might want to add that you don't feel suicidal. 1194 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:08.199 If you don't believe that, if you don't believe that 1195 01:12:08.220 --> 01:12:11.800 Satanism runs rampant, I mean, one form or another, call 1196 01:12:11.859 --> 01:12:13.539 it what you like. If you don't think that like 1197 01:12:13.739 --> 01:12:18.720 spiritual depravity runs rampant among the Epstein class, why are 1198 01:12:18.739 --> 01:12:21.199 the Clintons having a honeymoon in Haiti? 1199 01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:24.739 And why is human trafficking for one? 1200 01:12:25.729 --> 01:12:28.670 Well, you know, these are, some of these are very ancient, 1201 01:12:29.409 --> 01:12:31.449 you know, these from, you know, from Africa or whatever, 1202 01:12:31.489 --> 01:12:35.340 but these are you know, tied into all kinds of, 1203 01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:41.859 you know, basically forms, even very efficacious forms of types 1204 01:12:41.899 --> 01:12:48.560 of demonic summoning or energetic deportment, comportment, whatever, you know, 1205 01:12:48.699 --> 01:12:51.760 through these rituals, right? And so if you look this 1206 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:54.899 up online though, oh, this is white guilt. You know, 1207 01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:57.180 we're just evil white people because we don't like voodoo. 1208 01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:00.510 But actually there is, you know, within this, I mean, 1209 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:05.060 there are, you know, There are very powerful practices and 1210 01:13:06.140 --> 01:13:11.170 entryways or summoning portals in these voodoo and some of 1211 01:13:11.210 --> 01:13:16.449 these other types of religions that are sought after by 1212 01:13:17.670 --> 01:13:23.260 the highest level people on the planet. Anyways, maybe we'll 1213 01:13:23.300 --> 01:13:25.300 give William some time. We haven't let him. 1214 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.760 I'm happy as a clam listening to you guys talk. 1215 01:13:29.140 --> 01:13:32.039 I've been talking all week. I had a busy week. 1216 01:13:33.449 --> 01:13:35.189 One of the things that comes to mind, too, about 1217 01:13:35.229 --> 01:13:39.140 this film is also the kind of concept of control 1218 01:13:39.579 --> 01:13:43.479 or sinister control that you see in this film, where 1219 01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:46.819 he's always under control, much like Torrance is under control. 1220 01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:49.720 And also, I just did a show on the Wicker Man, 1221 01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:52.970 and that cop that's in Wicker Man is under control 1222 01:13:53.069 --> 01:13:57.350 from beginning to end. And Brett talked earlier about the 1223 01:13:57.449 --> 01:14:00.850 Fool Tarot. And if you watch the Wicker Man again, 1224 01:14:00.890 --> 01:14:04.189 which I suggest everybody do, they literally have this very 1225 01:14:04.369 --> 01:14:08.220 ornate ritual of him being the fool. So they're literally 1226 01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:12.539 like engaged in kind of a satanic mockery of this 1227 01:14:12.579 --> 01:14:14.619 guy before they put him in the wicker and burn 1228 01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:15.100 him to death. 1229 01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:20.069 And real quick on the wicker. So James Shelby Downard, 1230 01:14:20.090 --> 01:14:22.470 I did send you that link, Sean, you probably haven't 1231 01:14:22.489 --> 01:14:25.689 listened to it, but he talks about, so wicker has 1232 01:14:25.750 --> 01:14:31.729 this ancient root, right? It means to warp or bend reality. 1233 01:14:32.409 --> 01:14:34.750 It means to warp or bend reality. And there's a 1234 01:14:34.810 --> 01:14:38.590 new movie called Wicker. If anyone's familiar with that, this 1235 01:14:38.670 --> 01:14:42.449 is a, this film is about a woman that creates, 1236 01:14:43.090 --> 01:14:47.390 it's in an oppressive patriarchal, you know, medieval village, a 1237 01:14:47.409 --> 01:14:50.050 brand new movie. And she creates a man out of 1238 01:14:50.090 --> 01:14:53.689 wicker that becomes her, you know, ultimate, like, you know, 1239 01:14:53.829 --> 01:14:59.100 feminist love slave. Well, yeah, her sex golem, her slave golem. 1240 01:14:59.420 --> 01:15:02.739 He has all the qualities. He's completely submissive. He listens 1241 01:15:02.779 --> 01:15:04.500 to her freak out, but he does all the work. 1242 01:15:04.859 --> 01:15:07.939 And he's like the absolute, you know. Dude, feminist. 1243 01:15:08.060 --> 01:15:09.000 There it is. 1244 01:15:09.180 --> 01:15:10.060 It's the feminist. 1245 01:15:10.380 --> 01:15:12.460 Feminist dream, wet dream. 1246 01:15:13.060 --> 01:15:16.960 But wicker is a very powerful word. And wicker, man, 1247 01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:20.000 and this thing, wicker is literally means it is a 1248 01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:25.649 magically linked word linked to sex. ancient linguistic roots that 1249 01:15:25.689 --> 01:15:28.609 means to warp or bend reality and so language itself 1250

01:15:28.689 --> 01:15:30.949 is very powerful and important so that's i think the 1251 01:15:30.989 --> 01:15:34.970 release of that movie wicker is again saying okay just 1252 01:15:35.010 --> 01:15:38.420 like burning man is a is is a direct continuation 1253 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:43.460 of wicker man and ball and etc right so that's 1254 01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:44.859 wild that that movie's out there. 1255 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:49.319 It's funny too that the modern feminist uh Most of them, well, 1256 01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:53.180 I don't know, this is a generalization, but they identify 1257 01:15:53.420 --> 01:15:58.989 as Wiccan. You know, that word Wicca comes from Wicker. 1258 01:16:00.350 --> 01:16:04.949 I think it was Gardner or whatever that created modern Wicca. 1259 01:16:05.010 --> 01:16:10.609 But now, like, the feminist ideal is to, you know, 1260 01:16:11.529 --> 01:16:16.279 save your... your starfire and like do rituals on the 1261 01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.180 moon and under the moon and stuff like that. Uh, 1262 01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:23.819 that's a whole thing now. Like it's, you know, blossomed 1263 01:16:23.970 --> 01:16:28.970 out and they identify as Wiccan, you know, uh, and 1264 01:16:28.989 --> 01:16:32.510 they do, they do rituals against Trump and shit. They're all, 1265 01:16:33.470 --> 01:16:34.109 it's pretty funny. 1266 01:16:34.289 --> 01:16:34.590 Anyway. 1267 01:16:34.609 --> 01:16:35.989 Yeah. 1268 01:16:36.010 --> 01:16:36.350 I'll have to. 1269 01:16:36.369 --> 01:16:38.449 Download that one. I didn't know about that. Is it, 1270 01:16:38.710 --> 01:16:40.350 has it been released yet at Wicker? 1271 01:16:41.510 --> 01:16:43.449 I'd be surprised if you could make it through 90 1272 01:16:43.449 --> 01:16:45.250 minutes of this film. 1273 01:16:45.310 --> 01:16:45.750 I'll pick it up. 1274 01:16:45.789 --> 01:16:51.460 It was like female, like cryptid romance film. 1275 01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:51.880 Right. 1276 01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:56.100 You know, there's a, there's, it's really popular now, like female, 1277 01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:59.829 you know, everybody was all for forever. There's those Fabio 1278 01:16:59.890 --> 01:17:03.250 books at the supermarket, you know, that women get off on. 1279 01:17:03.289 --> 01:17:07.890 But now it's like, they're not, the women aren't even 1280 01:17:07.970 --> 01:17:11.920 fornicating with a man anymore. It's like a, a, minotaur 1281 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:16.409 or like a you know a wolf man or something 1282 01:17:16.430 --> 01:17:20.029 uh it's it's beyond it's. 1283 01:17:19.949 --> 01:17:25.409 Like that's that's the hyper satanic toxic culture yeah anti-human 1284 01:17:25.449 --> 01:17:28.060 culture that they've been bringing you and telling you and 1285 01:17:28.140 --> 01:17:29.720 trying to say we're trying to destroy. 1286 01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:33.539 Your soul yeah you know yeah it's transhumanism right it's 1287 01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:37.079 just

like this is a transhumanist romance fiction. 1288 01:17:38.020 --> 01:17:43.119 And they love it. And they hate, when they go around, 1289 01:17:43.189 --> 01:17:45.470 they look in public, they hate all men, they think 1290 01:17:45.489 --> 01:17:48.810 they're all gross. But then they read about this minotaur 1291 01:17:48.850 --> 01:17:49.729 with nice pecs. 1292 01:17:52.369 --> 01:17:56.109 It's great. Mutation, right? So we have this, I mean, 1293 01:17:56.229 --> 01:18:01.930 so the Adam-Kadam, right? You look at this occult, the 1294 01:18:01.989 --> 01:18:05.869 workings of the Kabbalah, this ancient ritual magic, so that's 1295 01:18:05.890 --> 01:18:11.060 the Adam-Kadam. is both male and female, hermaphrodite, like Baphomet, 1296 01:18:11.739 --> 01:18:12.659 male and female. 1297 01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.819 Like the rebus also, R-E-B-I-S. Yeah. 1298 01:18:16.659 --> 01:18:19.760 And so this, so again, to warp or bend reality, 1299 01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:23.180 this is a magical working being imposed on us through 1300 01:18:23.220 --> 01:18:27.850 the media. But again, we are the dupes, right? In 1301 01:18:27.909 --> 01:18:31.399 a sense, we're both the You know, we're both above 1302 01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:34.350 and below, but actually, you know, you go into this, 1303 01:18:34.529 --> 01:18:37.729 where do you end up? You're just fueling. If you 1304 01:18:37.770 --> 01:18:40.630 get your dick cut off, you know, because I feel feminine, 1305 01:18:41.329 --> 01:18:44.229 I'm cutting my dick off, man. I want to be respected. 1306 01:18:44.250 --> 01:18:48.659 I think I've got it. I mean, I got so, 1307 01:18:49.180 --> 01:18:52.479 I got so frustrated with the academic job market. I literally, 1308 01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:55.420 I created Hansini and I, you know, I put it, 1309 01:18:55.420 --> 01:18:57.039 I was saying, I'm just going to, cause they have 1310 01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:59.880 a job, you know, here, I know, you know, this guy, 1311 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:04.390 I won't mention his name. He's like the most Uber woke, whatever, um, 1312 01:19:04.430 --> 01:19:07.170 head of a department. I've known him for a long time, but, uh, 1313 01:19:07.310 --> 01:19:09.710 I won't mention his name. I'm sure he won't watch 1314 01:19:09.750 --> 01:19:12.850 this if he does. Hey, whatever. But I said, you know, 1315 01:19:13.270 --> 01:19:16.680 they're just exactly my field. I'm perfectly suited for this job, 1316 01:19:16.739 --> 01:19:21.020 but they want a non-binary transgender person to apply. So 1317 01:19:21.060 --> 01:19:23.699 I said, I'm fucking, I'm going to just wear a dress. 1318 01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:27.819 And I just look really, I look horrible in a dress, man. 1319 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:30.630 I just, I don't, it doesn't suit me. So I said, 1320 01:19:30.850 --> 01:19:33.689 but I tried to do it. Like, hello, I'm trans binary, 1321 01:19:34.029 --> 01:19:38.229 but this is the distortion level. And in a sense,

1322 01:19:38.939 --> 01:19:44.149 The transgender, the transhumanism is this desire to warp reality, 1323 01:19:44.590 --> 01:19:49.590 to warp yourself, to change what cannot be changed, right? 1324 01:19:49.670 --> 01:19:52.689 You're given this human existence. You can change your personality, 1325 01:19:52.710 --> 01:19:55.729 but you're not, you can't change your gender. This is 1326 01:19:56.529 --> 01:20:00.109 sui generis. It's self-arising. It's a ground. So I think 1327 01:20:00.149 --> 01:20:03.850 that this, anyways, it's just, it's crazy. The feminist thing, 1328 01:20:03.909 --> 01:20:06.500 but that's the thing. Like, you know, I, you know, 1329 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:08.399 I say like, you know, I'm, I'm looking for a 1330 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:10.479 love slave. I, you know, would you like to be 1331 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.279 my love slave? No, probably not. Good luck trying to 1332 01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:16.649 find a, you know, a woman, but the fact, okay. 1333 01:20:16.689 --> 01:20:16.909 Yes. 1334 01:20:17.090 --> 01:20:19.970 In the home life, women will dominate their men. 1335 01:20:20.109 --> 01:20:20.270 Right. 1336 01:20:20.670 --> 01:20:23.529 To a certain degree. You have to do, you have 1337 01:20:23.550 --> 01:20:24.340 to accept it. 1338 01:20:24.390 --> 01:20:24.569 Right. 1339 01:20:24.630 --> 01:20:26.949 It's not, it's okay. I mean, but there's a, there's 1340 01:20:26.970 --> 01:20:31.729 a polarity there, but this whole idea of emasculating men, 1341 01:20:31.850 --> 01:20:35.319 expecting them to perform. Now you've just destroyed. this whole 1342 01:20:35.500 --> 01:20:38.539 aspect of creation. And now you're just looking for what 1343 01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:42.640 you're looking for frigging, you know, mutant creatures, you're looking 1344 01:20:42.699 --> 01:20:45.859 for sex robots, you're looking for minotaurs, you're looking for this. 1345 01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:48.859 And so in the movie Wicker, I just read that 1346 01:20:49.060 --> 01:20:52.689 the thing is, you know, once she it's an oppressive patriarchal, 1347 01:20:52.939 --> 01:20:57.560 you know, patriarchal, you know, medieval town, and suddenly, Everybody 1348 01:20:57.619 --> 01:21:00.239 is jealous and all the women have an uprising. They 1349 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:02.489 expect all their men to be like this, to be 1350 01:21:02.569 --> 01:21:06.029 both manly, but yet be a complete slave. You know, everything. 1351 01:21:06.409 --> 01:21:12.239 You know what I mean? And so that's just essential 1352 01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:16.739 to this whole process. And here we go. Another subliminal trigger, right? 1353 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:22.020 Yeah, does anybody want to talk about the egg thing 1354 01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:25.000 and the chickens? Does anybody have anything for that? I 1355 01:21:25.020 --> 01:21:29.010 got some chicken stuff here written down. 1356 01:21:29.130 --> 01:21:31.529 If I could just mention one thing before you do 1357 01:21:31.550 --> 01:21:34.590 that that doesn't often get mentioned that I think is 1358 01:21:35.630 --> 01:21:39.750 relevant to the obvious kind of entertainment industry mind control 1359 01:21:39.850 --> 01:21:44.399 subtext going on. Early entertainment industry mind control subtext. I mean, 1360 01:21:44.409 --> 01:21:49.720 the narcotic farm, as it was known, as out in Lexington, Kentucky, 1361 01:21:49.739 --> 01:21:50.979 which I don't think it's, I don't know, it's not 1362 01:21:51.020 --> 01:21:56.319 technically MKUltra or maybe it, yeah, I'm pretty sure it was. 1363 01:21:56.399 --> 01:21:58.689 It got CIA funds, but that's where you had Dr. 1364 01:21:58.729 --> 01:22:04.729 Harry Isbell doing these LSD and other, these other mind 1365 01:22:04.750 --> 01:22:08.649 control experiments on who was there. I mean, I can't 1366 01:22:08.689 --> 01:22:10.149 say all of them were experimented on, but you had 1367 01:22:10.170 --> 01:22:13.729 all these jazz musicians, Sonny Rollins, Chet Baker, William Burroughs, 1368 01:22:13.770 --> 01:22:15.550 and then some were there. I mean, there's all these 1369 01:22:15.630 --> 01:22:19.029 people went there And so this is before, you know, 1370 01:22:19.069 --> 01:22:23.149 we get to, you know, what's going on the West 1371 01:22:23.189 --> 01:22:28.090 Coast and Keezy and Bateson and them dosing all these people. 1372 01:22:28.189 --> 01:22:30.810 You've got even before that, you know, in the in 1373 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:35.760 the 50s, this is going on with jazz musicians. So 1374 01:22:35.859 --> 01:22:37.840 I don't I wanted to mention that because I wonder 1375 01:22:37.899 --> 01:22:41.340 if that wasn't on the minds of the film of 1376 01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:43.000 of Parker and company. 1377 01:22:45.329 --> 01:22:46.109 But yeah, go ahead, Sean. 1378 01:22:46.149 --> 01:22:48.170 You can talk if you want to talk about the 1379 01:22:48.189 --> 01:22:51.020 chicken stuff. I remember we discussed it. 1380 01:22:51.649 --> 01:22:53.829 Hans might want to respond. 1381 01:22:54.069 --> 01:22:56.010 Yeah, just real quick. So that, you know, the jazz. 1382 01:22:57.109 --> 01:23:00.390 So you do have, of course, the great or the great, 1383 01:23:00.489 --> 01:23:05.409 the greatest saxophone player, you know, Charlie Parker, Charlie Bird Parker, right? 1384 01:23:05.449 --> 01:23:08.449 So he, you know, truly a musical genius, but an 1385 01:23:08.590 --> 01:23:13.630 absolute junkie from age like 16, whatever. And so many, many, 1386 01:23:14.579 --> 01:23:20.619 musicians and potentially even Chet Baker, you know, Chet Baker, 1387 01:23:20.699 --> 01:23:22.939 there's a, you know, let's get lost. I mean, he 1388 01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:30.119 was just this beautiful, you know, effort, you know, extremely handsome, amazing, 1389 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:34.550 very sweet voice. And he just became this almost like 1390 01:23:34.590 --> 01:23:37.189 a ghoul, like his last concert.

And I actually stayed 1391 01:23:37.229 --> 01:23:40.109 in the room that he supposedly jumped, you know, where 1392 01:23:40.130 --> 01:23:43.390 he died in Amsterdam, right. They had bars on the window. 1393 01:23:43.449 --> 01:23:43.909 I'm not sure. 1394 01:23:44.170 --> 01:23:46.010 This is like, you know, where his, one of his 1395 01:23:46.050 --> 01:23:49.350 last concerts was. So Chet Baker, but this whole thing 1396 01:23:49.569 --> 01:23:53.560 of that, just like we see repeated with Nirvana, right? 1397 01:23:53.619 --> 01:23:57.260 Kurt Cobain, you want to play jazz. People, so many 1398 01:23:57.319 --> 01:24:02.640 people started shooting heroin to play jazz, like Charlie Parker. And, 1399 01:24:02.899 --> 01:24:06.520 you know, Charles Mingus was put, he was put into some, 1400 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:09.590 Charles Mingus and people on jazz, a great jazz bass 1401 01:24:09.609 --> 01:24:12.270 player was put into, he was in a mental hospital 1402 01:24:12.289 --> 01:24:16.090 and you know, there was a degree of, you know, 1403 01:24:16.170 --> 01:24:20.390 experimentation on the, you know, on them, but essentially the drug, 1404 01:24:20.430 --> 01:24:23.470 you know, heroin, alcohol, but it's, you know, heroin was 1405 01:24:23.670 --> 01:24:29.430 very much, you know, through Charlie Parker was many people 1406 01:24:29.489 --> 01:24:32.409 thought if you want to play like Charlie Parker, you 1407 01:24:32.449 --> 01:24:35.550 got to shoot smack. And this became a major thing. 1408 01:24:35.630 --> 01:24:39.119 And Chet Baker fell into that, you know? And so, 1409 01:24:40.699 --> 01:24:42.630 I think the movie is called let's get lost to 1410 01:24:42.649 --> 01:24:48.409 the documentary on him. And so that's, and just an aside, 1411 01:24:48.729 --> 01:24:51.149 which I don't, I shouldn't do, but I'm going to 1412 01:24:51.170 --> 01:24:53.229 do it. And so why I originally went to India, 1413 01:24:53.289 --> 01:24:55.670 cause I was playing jazz. I was at university and I, 1414 01:24:55.649 --> 01:24:59.920 I encountered this, you know, I was probably much more 1415 01:24:59.979 --> 01:25:02.939 say spiritually attuned at that point. And I, I encountered 1416 01:25:02.979 --> 01:25:06.960 this dark energy, Behind, I had this guy who now 1417 01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:09.100 works for the CIA, my roommate. I would just play 1418 01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:13.199 Charlie Parker all night. The guy really must have hated me. 1419 01:25:13.500 --> 01:25:19.369 But I found there was some negative energy behind this music. 1420 01:25:19.529 --> 01:25:22.489 There's some anger. There's the deeper level of the music. 1421 01:25:22.930 --> 01:25:24.609 And so with the Indian music or whatever, I found 1422 01:25:24.829 --> 01:25:27.649 there's a core. It's a little bit all these guys 1423 01:25:27.949 --> 01:25:30.140 tripping out on LSD. They get to the high state. Well, 1424 01:25:30.180 --> 01:25:32.979 this music starts from that state.

But I found there 1425 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:36.560 was sort of a dark undercurrent. like a dark core 1426 01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.600 in some of this music. And so that, that's an 1427 01:25:39.899 --> 01:25:43.479 early example, not necessarily of the hallucinogenic type, but of 1428 01:25:43.550 --> 01:25:46.529 the fact that if you want to do this, take 1429 01:25:47.289 --> 01:25:50.149 heroin and this will, this slavery will make you free. 1430 01:25:54.630 --> 01:25:57.850 And the heroin chic and like the whole thing. I mean, 1431 01:25:58.630 --> 01:26:01.750 heroin's always been, and I think one of the quotes, 1432 01:26:01.789 --> 01:26:03.369 I put it up there on the screen for a 1433 01:26:03.369 --> 01:26:08.189 minute is that, that opium was brought to the jazz 1434 01:26:08.229 --> 01:26:10.869 clubs to make money for the Skull and Bones boys. 1435 01:26:11.569 --> 01:26:16.029 But yeah, Skull and Bones, they were, you know, the 1436 01:26:16.149 --> 01:26:19.689 opium trade has been England, you know, and they also 1437 01:26:19.729 --> 01:26:25.140 do the cocaine too. So it's like it's the entire 1438 01:26:25.729 --> 01:26:32.340 ownership of the world in that the opium trade feeds 1439 01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:38.800 the British Empire's dark deeds and everything like um and 1440 01:26:38.819 --> 01:26:40.939 the CIA too like makes all their money off of 1441 01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:44.899 that and so like you know Courtney Love was bringing 1442 01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:48.789 heroin into the into the scene of the grunge there 1443 01:26:48.810 --> 01:26:50.829 was like no grunt there was no heroin in the 1444 01:26:50.869 --> 01:26:55.710 grunge scene before Courtney Love and She was controlled. That 1445 01:26:55.729 --> 01:26:57.329 was on purpose. 1446 01:26:57.590 --> 01:27:01.930 According to her father, she was helping a known CIA 1447 01:27:02.329 --> 01:27:07.510 asset to bring LSD into the Irish punk scene. Hans 1448 01:27:07.529 --> 01:27:08.250 can tell you more. 1449 01:27:08.130 --> 01:27:13.170 About Hank Harrison. Hank Harrison, right. 1450 01:27:13.489 --> 01:27:15.149 Hank Harrison, yeah. 1451 01:27:15.289 --> 01:27:18.189 The Irish punk scene definitely needed more LSD, I think. 1452 01:27:19.310 --> 01:27:21.880 Yeah. How much could you hear the Pogues, man? Oh 1453 01:27:23.659 --> 01:27:24.060 my God. 1454 01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:26.399 Or do I have it backwards? Was she bringing speed 1455 01:27:26.460 --> 01:27:26.979 or LSD? 1456 01:27:27.060 --> 01:27:29.800 I can't, maybe I've gone. She was bringing LSD when 1457 01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:33.840 she was very young. And then she was bringing heroin 1458 01:27:33.859 --> 01:27:37.659 to Kurt. She got Kurt hooked on heroin, supposedly, I guess. 1459 01:27:38.010 --> 01:27:42.329 So I've heard, but that's totally to control them. You 1460 01:27:42.350 --> 01:27:44.890 know what I mean? Even Crowley was totally controlled by heroin. 1461 01:27:45.590 --> 01:27:47.609 You know, the guy. 1462 01:27:47.430 --> 01:27:50.949 Who's like, worships the will like has no will of 1463 01:27:51.010 --> 01:27:53.470 his own he has to get a bag every morning 1464 01:27:54.430 --> 01:27:57.750 um but yeah heroin is long gone now it's all 1465 01:27:57.810 --> 01:28:01.659 fentanyl and beyond fentanyl not even fentanyl anymore it's like 1466 01:28:02.460 --> 01:28:05.720 it's china has taken over i think british britain has 1467 01:28:05.779 --> 01:28:09.159 lost control you know and they even gave up afghanistan 1468 01:28:09.180 --> 01:28:12.489 they're like whatever they don't they don't care about the 1469 01:28:12.569 --> 01:28:16.210 opium anymore. Like for years during, after nine 11, like 1470 01:28:16.390 --> 01:28:22.539 American soldiers were growing the opium poppies, you know? But 1471 01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:24.640 now it's like, whatever, we don't need that anymore. Cause 1472 01:28:24.680 --> 01:28:27.159 they can get the synthetic shit from China. So go ahead. 1473 01:28:27.359 --> 01:28:29.800 You know, and I'm not promoting drug use here, but 1474 01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:34.670 I mean, if you get the actual raw opium on, 1475 01:28:34.829 --> 01:28:37.279 it's like this red stuff. I mean, I used, to, okay. 1476 01:28:37.819 --> 01:28:38.600 Long years ago. 1477 01:28:38.659 --> 01:28:41.300 It's amazing. 1478 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:46.479 Like you completely relaxed, clear, calm. 1479 01:28:47.659 --> 01:28:50.100 It's just, it's like definitely not heroin. 1480 01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:53.149 It's definitely not. No, it's not at all. It's like, 1481 01:28:53.189 --> 01:28:54.750 you know, this is unprocessed. 1482 01:28:54.829 --> 01:28:55.050 Right. 1483 01:28:55.770 --> 01:28:58.800 So, I mean, these are things, right. These are from nature. um, 1484 01:28:58.819 --> 01:29:00.560 you know, obviously you don't want to do it every day. 1485 01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:03.239 I mean, I, but I mean, that was, you'll want 1486 01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:05.319 to do it every day, but you shouldn't do. 1487 01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:09.239 It every day. But there's a huge difference from the synthesis. 1488 01:29:09.390 --> 01:29:12.510 And also the thing is that we see, say, for example, with, 1489 01:29:13.029 --> 01:29:16.390 if you look at the drugs, you imprint the drug 1490 01:29:16.489 --> 01:29:19.710 streams with particular, there's energetic imprints that are also being 1491 01:29:19.750 --> 01:29:22.050 put in there, right? So you can put in some 1492 01:29:22.109 --> 01:29:25.609 kind of whatever, you know, you know, whether you believe 1493 01:29:25.649 --> 01:29:27.659 it or not, they're putting some kind of, Let's put this, 1494 01:29:27.930 --> 01:29:30.329 this batch of LSD going to Ireland. Let's put in 1495 01:29:30.390 --> 01:29:34.970 this little bit of energetic, spiritual imprinting, you know, on 1496 01:29:35.189 --> 01:29:38.430 as a, as a corollary to this substance. And then 1497

01:29:38.470 --> 01:29:43.130 let's overlay this with certain media inputs and other things. Well, right. 1498 01:29:43.189 --> 01:29:45.470 And so you look at the STB, right. The STP 1499 01:29:45.510 --> 01:29:47.890 coming in and what happened to the, you know, the 1500 01:29:48.069 --> 01:29:51.270 LSD and you look at Woodstock and, you know, don't 1501 01:29:51.310 --> 01:29:52.800 eat the brown acid. Right. 1502 01:29:52.840 --> 01:29:55.520 Jacob's ladder again. Yeah. BZ. 1503 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:56.279 Yeah. 1504 01:29:56.539 --> 01:30:00.659 So you put these imprints and this really affects people 1505 01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:03.600 on a mass scale. And then if you look at 1506 01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:06.420 the punk rock scene, you go, you know, in order 1507 01:30:06.460 --> 01:30:10.789 to prime people for this absolute nihilism, it takes a 1508 01:30:10.930 --> 01:30:14.829 lot of work because this is against, I mean, you know, again, 1509 01:30:14.949 --> 01:30:18.130 you know, the whole point is that, and William sent 1510 01:30:18.149 --> 01:30:20.210 me this clip, you know, Jerry Garcia saying, Oh, reality 1511 01:30:20.250 --> 01:30:22.229 was too boring. We had to break out of it. 1512 01:30:22.229 --> 01:30:24.810 It just wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. We had to 1513 01:30:24.850 --> 01:30:29.609 go to the next level. So there's that. But, you know, secondarily. 1514 01:30:29.630 --> 01:30:31.899 It's because they're sitting on pillows all day. They're staring 1515 01:30:31.909 --> 01:30:33.880 at their shoes. They're not doing life. 1516 01:30:34.260 --> 01:30:38.579 No, Jerry was frigging, he was his mentor, man. Wally Hendricks, 1517 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:41.600 he's having frigging orgies. He's got, he's at parties where 1518 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:44.560 women are walking around naked in 1959. 1519 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:47.199 But Jerry just turned into a fat junkie though. 1520 01:30:47.979 --> 01:30:51.649 Well, he did because he's also bearing, you know, you 1521 01:30:51.689 --> 01:30:54.670 have to bury your, your destiny. You called karmic destiny 1522 01:30:54.710 --> 01:30:57.789 for what he's doing. Right. You know, you know, that's the, 1523 01:30:57.869 --> 01:31:00.859 that's the thing, you know, playing the most meandering one 1524 01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:03.460 guitar solo. 1525 01:31:03.500 --> 01:31:03.979 Come on. 1526 01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:07.300 Like find it, find a tonic. No, I mean, or just, 1527 01:31:08.619 --> 01:31:09.460 but some. 1528 01:31:09.329 --> 01:31:09.829 Of it was good. 1529 01:31:09.850 --> 01:31:09.970 No, no. 1530 01:31:10.350 --> 01:31:10.689 Okay. 1531 01:31:10.770 --> 01:31:12.729 It's okay. You got to be high on LSD. 1532 01:31:13.329 --> 01:31:16.489 It's not that good. I think, no, he's boring. I mean, 1533 01:31:16.590 --> 01:31:18.430 but he's okay. He noodles. If you just want to 1534 01:31:18.470 --> 01:31:20.170 frigging noodle, if I could do that, I could do 1535 01:31:20.189 --> 01:31:21.270 that for a thousand years. 1536 01:31:21.409 --> 01:31:24.319 No, but I mean, they wrote good songs, like good 1537 01:31:24.420 --> 01:31:28.000 folk stuff. Like he, you know, Jerry was good. I 1538 01:31:28.020 --> 01:31:31.539 don't think so. I agree that you don't think so. 1539 01:31:31.979 --> 01:31:34.619 Jerry is Satan. So if you like Jerry, you're also, 1540 01:31:35.020 --> 01:31:36.909 Oh man. You're Illuminati. 1541 01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:39.000 Well, that's how they got me with the radio. I 1542 01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:47.329 listened to one. Well, yeah, of course. I mean, so, um, uh, that, that, 1543 01:31:47.829 --> 01:31:50.829 that kind of stuff, it does factor in because, uh, that, 1544 01:31:51.029 --> 01:31:55.369 you know, Jerry again is one of those, uh, just 1545 01:31:55.430 --> 01:31:58.029 like Britney Spears and all the rest of these, these 1546 01:31:58.140 --> 01:32:00.840 pop artists that are put there, placed there for us 1547 01:32:00.979 --> 01:32:05.239 by the military industrial complex, you know, that want to 1548 01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:10.199 sell some drugs and, you know, they, yeah, he, he 1549 01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:13.640 did never quit. Like you can't quit. Like even after 1550 01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:15.979 he was gone, the other ones, you know, I saw 1551 01:32:16.050 --> 01:32:19.229 them live, you know, I saw him with Willie Nelson pretty, 1552 01:32:19.390 --> 01:32:22.949 you know, but like, you know, they kept going and 1553 01:32:22.970 --> 01:32:26.949 they're still going. I think Phil Lesh just died recently. 1554 01:32:26.970 --> 01:32:30.350 I don't know. Mickey Hart's like the only one still going. 1555 01:32:30.369 --> 01:32:37.960 I think Kreitzman, maybe the drummers are still going, but yeah, it's, uh, 1556 01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:42.979 cultural thing with cheese sandwiches. I, Oh wait, whoops. 1557 01:32:43.220 --> 01:32:43.439 Yeah. 1558 01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:45.859 I actually sold cheese sandwiches at a dead show, a 1559 01:32:45.899 --> 01:32:48.789 couple of dead shows to pay for my gas money. 1560 01:32:49.149 --> 01:32:53.470 But anyway, uh, so yeah, uh, so to get back 1561 01:32:53.510 --> 01:33:03.010 into this movie, uh, the, the egg and the chicken. So, um, 1562 01:33:03.670 --> 01:33:08.689 there's like a pivotal scene where, uh, the two actors 1563 01:33:08.770 --> 01:33:13.970 are together. We have, um, uh, Robert De Niro and 1564 01:33:14.029 --> 01:33:19.170 Mickey Rourke together at a table in a, like an 1565 01:33:19.250 --> 01:33:25.729 Italian restaurant. There's big fan on the wall. And, um, 1566 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.600 as you know, he's putting salt on the thing. Meanwhile, 1567 01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:30.859 Mickey Rourke has taken salt and thrown it over his 1568 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:37.640 left shoulder. And, uh, he explains like Blake, like full on, like, 1569 01:33:38.270 --> 01:33:44.029 There's no esoteric. It's all on the

surface. Okay, some 1570 01:33:44.069 --> 01:33:46.720 religions think the egg is a symbol of the soul. 1571 01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:50.100 And then he takes a bite as he's staring at him. 1572 01:33:50.140 --> 01:33:52.140 I didn't get a screenshot of that one. But still, 1573 01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:56.779 it's very weird and off-putting. And then we see Mickey 1574 01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:03.409 Hart's reaction as he's watching. So this guy eats souls. 1575 01:34:04.069 --> 01:34:10.649 But Mickey Rourke has a thing he doesn't like chickens. Um, Oh, 1576 01:34:10.689 --> 01:34:13.260 you got it right there. That's good. See, he's taking 1577 01:34:13.300 --> 01:34:16.560 a bite. Um, like he's gonna, like, I will eat 1578 01:34:16.579 --> 01:34:18.500 your soul. You know what I mean? He's looking him 1579 01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:21.840 in the eye and that is what's going to happen. Uh, 1580 01:34:23.340 --> 01:34:26.319 you know, you know, he will file him in the 1581 01:34:26.359 --> 01:34:31.180 ranks of Satan's, you know, I don't know. The guy's gonna, 1582 01:34:31.380 --> 01:34:33.340 he's gonna work for Satan. I'll be a demon. Um, 1583 01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:42.220 but yeah, there's, uh, I guess the chicken in voodoo 1584 01:34:42.819 --> 01:34:48.810 is like a good thing. Here we have this, this 1585 01:34:48.869 --> 01:34:54.430 scene is very weird because when he arrives, all the 1586 01:34:54.470 --> 01:34:58.569 chickens are still, they're like frozen. And he walks all 1587 01:34:58.609 --> 01:35:01.909 the way across the scene. He even like runs into 1588 01:35:02.020 --> 01:35:04.600 one of them and it finally starts clucking and making noise, 1589 01:35:04.640 --> 01:35:08.189 but they're all frozen. frozen while the people are doing things. 1590 01:35:08.270 --> 01:35:09.949 It's very weird. I don't know how they put a 1591 01:35:09.989 --> 01:35:16.529 spell on these chickens. But, yeah, chickens in voodoo will 1592 01:35:16.649 --> 01:35:22.100 peck away evil, will scratch away evil, and they're considered 1593 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:25.720 a good thing in voodoo. And when they sacrifice a chicken, 1594 01:35:25.779 --> 01:35:29.600 it's like sacrificing a good thing, like a lamb for, 1595 01:35:29.619 --> 01:35:37.399 you know, there's, yeah, so that There's another point where 1596 01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:44.109 in the bar, the guitar player is talking to Angel 1597 01:35:44.869 --> 01:35:51.789 and they leave a chicken foot on the urinal and 1598 01:35:51.850 --> 01:35:56.010 it scares the guy because it has a message. And 1599 01:35:56.029 --> 01:36:04.609 then the bartender is kicking Harry out And he says, 1600 01:36:04.810 --> 01:36:06.479 if you don't get the hell out of here, I 1601 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:10.380 may clean you out the sidewalk. That's what chickens do. They, 1602 01:36:10.619 --> 01:36:14.779 they peck out the evil there again. Right. So like it, 1603 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:18.600 that's a, that's a positive

charm. That's like a good, it's, 1604 01:36:18.619 --> 01:36:21.159 you know, like a mad, like a rabbit's foot or 1605 01:36:21.180 --> 01:36:25.600 something for, you know, our culture. But, um, he puts 1606 01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:30.619 it on his face. It's like to scratch away evil, evil, 1607 01:36:30.689 --> 01:36:34.819 get out, you know, um, So like the bartender is like, 1608 01:36:35.210 --> 01:36:38.029 you are evil, Harry Angel. You know what I mean? 1609 01:36:38.050 --> 01:36:39.470 And kicking him out of the bar. 1610 01:36:42.590 --> 01:36:43.609 So, yeah. 1611 01:36:44.170 --> 01:36:50.510 And the doctor, the doctor's name is Dr. Fowler with F-O-W-L. 1612 01:36:51.630 --> 01:36:56.550 So that too, that the guy who got shot in 1613 01:36:56.590 --> 01:37:01.579 the eye. the doctor that was working for Harry angel, 1614 01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:08.189 he was working for Harry to, um, to help deceive 1615 01:37:08.229 --> 01:37:11.470 Satan and was like, you know, worked for the, um, 1616 01:37:12.750 --> 01:37:17.810 the hospital and every year filed a notice saying that 1617 01:37:17.829 --> 01:37:21.029 he was still there even when he wasn't. But so this, 1618 01:37:21.310 --> 01:37:26.569 this chicken person was helping Harry. It's like, it's, it's, 1619 01:37:26.630 --> 01:37:29.460 there's a lot with this chicken stuff. Does anybody want 1620 01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:30.060 to talk about that? 1621 01:37:31.819 --> 01:37:34.000 Um, yeah, yeah, definitely. 1622 01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:34.340 Definitely. 1623 01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:36.779 There's a lot of stuff there, but just this movie 1624 01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:39.760 is so steeped in, in the occult as you're giving 1625 01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:42.659 indication of, I mean, Ethan Krusemark, whether he uses the 1626 01:37:42.729 --> 01:37:47.630 name Edward Kelly. So we get this direct reference to, uh, 1627 01:37:47.670 --> 01:37:51.329 you know, the John D sidekick, uh, Edward Kelly, which 1628 01:37:51.350 --> 01:37:54.260 I think also gives us this like high and, high 1629 01:37:54.310 --> 01:37:56.859 and low sort of occult, the voodoo with the high 1630 01:37:56.939 --> 01:38:00.899 occult of John Dee. And then you have this deleted 1631 01:38:01.020 --> 01:38:06.760 scene where Harry writes the word T-E-L-O-C-A, Toloka, on the 1632 01:38:06.859 --> 01:38:10.619 wall in the toots, is his name, the toots' blood. 1633 01:38:11.819 --> 01:38:16.649 And that is from Enochian magic, means damned, right? So again, that's, 1634 01:38:17.010 --> 01:38:18.649 get it right, he marks him as he's the damned. 1635 01:38:19.050 --> 01:38:24.460 But that's another Dee, you know, reference here. So, I mean, 1636 01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:27.010 this stuff is so steeped in the occult. Yeah, it 1637 01:38:27.029 --> 01:38:30.130 seems like the chickens are um, after him because he's 1638 01:38:30.170 --> 01:38:35.909 the evil. Um, right. And, and the, you alluded to 1639 01:38:35.949 --> 01:38:38.350 the doctor, okay. The scene with the doctor, he gets 1640 01:38:38.369 --> 01:38:40.789 it out one eye. I have this one eye trope there. 1641 01:38:40.810 --> 01:38:44.399 I really, it's very, very clear. And there's a hollowed 1642 01:38:44.460 --> 01:38:49.380 out Bible where he has the, the gun. That's a popular, um, 1643 01:38:50.569 --> 01:38:56.189 trope in in you know satanic hollywood uh films and 1644 01:38:56.229 --> 01:38:59.449 you see the word lux l-u-x as well light on 1645 01:38:59.789 --> 01:39:01.890 on the wall and as it like as he sold 1646 01:39:01.949 --> 01:39:04.979 his soul and he's a drug addict as well he's 1647 01:39:05.039 --> 01:39:07.460 a heroin addict so it's like in many and there's 1648 01:39:07.479 --> 01:39:09.840 many indications that he's kind of sold his soul this 1649 01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:13.960 is his fate or something um you know uh coming 1650 01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:17.199 back to haunt him but with regard to his role 1651 01:39:17.340 --> 01:39:20.680 in the plot if you really think about it, it doesn't, 1652 01:39:20.899 --> 01:39:22.310 there's luck. So there you go. 1653 01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:22.510 Good. 1654 01:39:22.520 --> 01:39:26.770 You got this. It doesn't really make sense. There's no, 1655 01:39:26.829 --> 01:39:29.710 no matter how you interpret the timeline, I think you'll 1656 01:39:29.750 --> 01:39:34.439 find that something is, is wrong or is deeply implausible 1657 01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:37.180 about it. We can go through that, but my, I 1658 01:39:37.180 --> 01:39:40.760 think there's a purpose for it. And I, it's this 1659 01:39:40.840 --> 01:39:47.029 purpose of, This thoroughly disorienting is part of this revelation 1660 01:39:47.069 --> 01:39:50.619 of the method technique of thoroughly disorienting the audience and 1661 01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:54.300 making them confused with the character, making them lose their 1662 01:39:54.539 --> 01:40:01.659 very ontological foundations and bearings. And then their fiction becomes reality, right? 1663 01:40:01.699 --> 01:40:04.529 They're more suggestible, right? It's about hypnotizing them. And I 1664 01:40:04.569 --> 01:40:08.930 think the implausibilities of this are part of the hypnotism. 1665 01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:13.300 But I don't want to launch into explaining the plot 1666 01:40:13.380 --> 01:40:16.359 if we only have about 15 or 20 minutes left 1667 01:40:16.470 --> 01:40:20.449 or so. Yeah, about 20 minutes left, yeah. So it's 1668 01:40:20.489 --> 01:40:23.369 up to you guys, but we can examine that if 1669 01:40:23.409 --> 01:40:26.869 you want to. Something doesn't make sense about the timeline 1670 01:40:26.909 --> 01:40:27.130 of it. 1671 01:40:28.149 --> 01:40:33.050 Well, we're going to have a show coming out soon here. 1672 01:40:33.949 --> 01:40:38.779 My sort of metaphorical modeling of these sort of larger 1673 01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:43.079 processes within a you know the the general trajectory of

1674 01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:49.279 our current civilization as it stands and so one of 1675 01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:56.329 one of the major powerful manifestations is that you know, 1676 01:40:56.470 --> 01:41:00.449 as I will, it is, it's like, this must be, 1677 01:41:00.810 --> 01:41:02.890 this is the, like the, you know, this is the 1678 01:41:02.930 --> 01:41:08.149 Masonic command. This is a command structure that creates the 1679 01:41:08.289 --> 01:41:13.510 wicker effect of warping reality. So in order to do this, you, 1680 01:41:14.010 --> 01:41:20.880 you basically, you, you have natural historical progression. We have, 1681 01:41:20.899 --> 01:41:23.560 you know, we have, there is a zeitgeist, right? We 1682 01:41:23.619 --> 01:41:26.949 live in a historical period. we are embodied in a 1683 01:41:27.029 --> 01:41:30.909 particular stream of history. We are here now, and now 1684 01:41:30.970 --> 01:41:33.550 we can go outside of this, but the whole idea 1685 01:41:33.569 --> 01:41:38.899 is to disrupt this process. And what we see with music, even, 1686 01:41:38.939 --> 01:41:42.920 you know, music as it develops sort of organically as 1687 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:48.640 sort of a precursor, right? Music is a structural representation, 1688 01:41:48.699 --> 01:41:52.920 so to speak, of the future, of agency, of action. 1689 01:41:53.020 --> 01:41:55.300 And so in a sense, If you look at music, 1690 01:41:55.739 --> 01:41:59.279 it is abstract. It's the most abstract thing, but it's 1691 01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:03.220 this field of potential. It is a way of understanding. 1692 01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:06.520 You listen to classical music, Baroque music. It's extremely ordered. 1693 01:42:06.649 --> 01:42:11.210 It's extremely complex. It's very dense, but it also expands 1694 01:42:11.250 --> 01:42:13.989 your mind, et cetera. But it's very much connected with 1695 01:42:14.069 --> 01:42:19.829 that time, right? And so it's pushing you off. It's 1696 01:42:20.189 --> 01:42:27.359 superimposing this artificially overlaid timeline. This future, which is the 1697 01:42:27.800 --> 01:42:31.590 transhumanist future, which is, you know, the dead matter. This 1698 01:42:31.649 --> 01:42:36.210 goes back, Francis Bacon, same thing. You know, this is 1699 01:42:36.310 --> 01:42:41.090 the whole, you know, we're talking about is that, you know, you, 1700 01:42:41.229 --> 01:42:48.409 to basically, you know, impose these structures on the conscious 1701 01:42:48.689 --> 01:42:53.899 and subconscious minds that you bring into fruition what you 1702 01:42:53.979 --> 01:42:56.449 have predicted. you, you know what I mean? So you 1703 01:42:56.529 --> 01:43:01.069 create these predictions and then you, you generate enough energy 1704 01:43:01.310 --> 01:43:05.560 for either through trauma, either through symbolic interfaces of conscious 1705 01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:11.439 and unconscious minds and, you know, acquiescence, you know, consent 1706 01:43:11.899 --> 01:43:14.560 is very important. And so this is this, you know, 1707 01:43:14.600 --> 01:43:17.340 the pseudo time and this, all this is, you know, 1708 01:43:17.619 --> 01:43:21.260 these things have mathematical vectors, you know, these are like, it's, 1709 01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:25.720 it is a, basically you're flipping the polarity and you 1710 01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:29.939 create this pseudo time, this virtual reality, and then you 1711 01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:34.399 create these destinations that are pre-scripted, but they're tied in 1712 01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:38.199 to the original working. And in fact, and then they 1713 01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:41.979 create the sense of inevitability, just like the fan spinning around, right? 1714 01:43:42.300 --> 01:43:45.960 So it's that pseudo time, right? It's the, you split 1715 01:43:46.220 --> 01:43:52.069 off actual history, actual embodiment, actual existence into this virtual 1716 01:43:52.130 --> 01:43:54.010 space and that's why you have to have sex with 1717 01:43:54.069 --> 01:43:55.789 minotaur men you know. 1718 01:44:01.529 --> 01:44:07.069 Makes total sense hans but yeah i'm sorry that that 1719 01:44:07.109 --> 01:44:09.949 episode hasn't aired yet um that he he was speaking 1720 01:44:10.029 --> 01:44:13.000 of uh our wake to wake the dead hans was 1721 01:44:13.020 --> 01:44:15.880 a guest and i'm sorry it's not out yet i 1722 01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:23.159 will i will put up uh asap hans But yeah, 1723 01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:28.000 he went deeper on that. That's Kleepoth, more Kleepoth, diving 1724 01:44:28.300 --> 01:44:31.699 down the tree. And everybody should be listening to that. 1725 01:44:31.800 --> 01:44:34.659 I think it was really interesting. This one was good. 1726 01:44:34.699 --> 01:44:36.500 This was a good one. And I can't wait to 1727 01:44:36.539 --> 01:44:42.600 put it out. Sorry it's been taking so long. I 1728 01:44:42.640 --> 01:44:43.819 accept your apology, Sean. 1729 01:44:44.760 --> 01:44:47.359 I even accept the fact that you like Jerry Garcia. 1730 01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:48.840 It's okay. 1731 01:44:49.170 --> 01:44:49.930 You kind of look like him. 1732 01:44:49.970 --> 01:44:52.289 It's not my fault. I have to get really stoned 1733 01:44:52.390 --> 01:44:53.489 on drugs first. 1734 01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:57.300 Why don't I, I'll just record a five hour guitar solo. 1735 01:44:57.359 --> 01:44:57.979 You just listen to it. 1736 01:44:57.979 --> 01:44:58.760 There you go. Yeah. 1737 01:44:58.800 --> 01:44:59.560 I'll put it on repeat. 1738 01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:00.460 You know, it's fine. 1739 01:45:00.979 --> 01:45:04.779 It's fine. But no, I think symbolic magic. I mean, voodoo, 1740 01:45:05.380 --> 01:45:06.989 I did not get to this. I have like a, 1741 01:45:07.319 --> 01:45:12.710 a grimoire for wannabe voodoo practitioner, female voodoo practitioners to 1742 01:45:12.789 --> 01:45:15.689 summon all these goddesses and create all

these. So there's 1743 01:45:15.729 --> 01:45:20.500 a lot about food. a lot about ritually charged objects, drinks. 1744 01:45:20.979 --> 01:45:26.060 So these are like these ritually charged things are really central, 1745 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:31.609 I think, in voodoo. And not that I'm telling people 1746 01:45:31.649 --> 01:45:36.850 to become paranoid. Don't become paranoid like me. But I'm 1747 01:45:36.890 --> 01:45:38.630 not paranoid. But the fact is that, you know what? 1748 01:45:39.260 --> 01:45:42.520 these things do exist. They create, you charge things with 1749 01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:45.060 these energies. That's very much what voodoo is very much 1750 01:45:45.100 --> 01:45:49.899 related to objects, right? It's very much object, object, you know, 1751 01:45:49.939 --> 01:45:52.890 in that way. So these are all richly charged objects. 1752 01:45:53.020 --> 01:45:56.850 And anyways, you talk about that. That's a great picture. Yeah. 1753 01:45:56.890 --> 01:45:59.449 That right there, we got the tarot cards. We have 1754 01:45:59.729 --> 01:46:03.930 a Christian, I don't know, like a, like a, some 1755 01:46:03.970 --> 01:46:07.739 kind of cherub or something holding a, sacred heart maybe 1756 01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:11.739 it's like a bowl dish maybe it has uh for 1757 01:46:11.779 --> 01:46:15.050 holy water at a church maybe um and it we 1758 01:46:15.109 --> 01:46:22.130 there's a railroad spike and the um it the the 1759 01:46:22.270 --> 01:46:25.670 ceramic uh idol is broken but i mean it did 1760 01:46:25.729 --> 01:46:28.960 fall off the wall but we have it's not only 1761 01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:33.500 tarot cards there's playing cards as well And the way it's, 1762 01:46:33.659 --> 01:46:39.520 and there's an empty bottle of alcohol. So this was, 1763 01:46:39.890 --> 01:46:44.050 and then like a spent cigarette, you know, they, they 1764 01:46:44.130 --> 01:46:48.310 offer specific things to the Loa depending on who it is. 1765 01:46:48.430 --> 01:46:51.210 Like they'll give tobacco to one of them. They'll give 1766 01:46:51.829 --> 01:46:56.880 rum to Legba, you know? So these objects are significant 1767 01:46:56.960 --> 01:47:01.229 to the gods themselves at, And they want them there 1768 01:47:01.270 --> 01:47:05.970 when they're incarnated. And I think it goes a lot 1769 01:47:05.989 --> 01:47:11.010 to the worship, the way that they worship. But if 1770 01:47:11.170 --> 01:47:12.770 anybody else has anything to add to that. 1771 01:47:17.189 --> 01:47:18.529 I have a couple more images. 1772 01:47:18.550 --> 01:47:20.470 I would say we've got about 10 minutes left, guys. 1773 01:47:20.609 --> 01:47:22.390 I've got to wrap it up pretty soon. So maybe 1774 01:47:22.529 --> 01:47:24.729 you guys can make your final comments. We can talk 1775 01:47:24.770 --> 01:47:27.630 about Brett's book and then wrap it up. 1776 01:47:29.260 --> 01:47:32.699 Um, well just, uh, everybody should listen to wake the 1777 01:47:32.739

--> 01:47:35.479 dead and, uh, you know, I will have a new 1778 01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:40.279 show with Hans, uh, very shortly. It, uh, it is 1779 01:47:40.319 --> 01:47:42.850 already recorded. I just got to put it together and 1780 01:47:43.010 --> 01:47:43.399 upload it. 1781 01:47:43.689 --> 01:47:43.850 So. 1782 01:47:45.710 --> 01:47:47.250 Great Hans. Do you want to wrap it up to now? 1783 01:47:47.989 --> 01:47:48.210 Yep. 1784 01:47:48.350 --> 01:47:51.189 Thank you for listening. I have a new, uh, very 1785 01:47:51.229 --> 01:47:54.659 interesting interview I did with the guys from the Russian 1786 01:47:54.739 --> 01:47:58.579 view team. So I think that's a, Pretty important, I think, 1787 01:47:58.619 --> 01:48:00.340 if people check that out. I'll be posting that here 1788 01:48:00.380 --> 01:48:02.970 in the next few days. I have been voted the 1789 01:48:03.010 --> 01:48:08.189 world's most perspicacious podcast, number one on planet Earth. Maybe 1790 01:48:08.229 --> 01:48:09.970 I'm the only person voting. It's okay. 1791 01:48:10.250 --> 01:48:12.609 What's the topic? What's the subject matter with the Russian? 1792 01:48:13.909 --> 01:48:17.369 So we're just really looking at, and my question was 1793 01:48:17.449 --> 01:48:23.180 the individual within the whole world historical process and how 1794 01:48:23.279 --> 01:48:27.100 to align yourself and find purpose and find meaning and not, 1795 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:32.060 you know, it's, you know, one of the things is 1796 01:48:32.439 --> 01:48:36.430 this pervasive sense of hopelessness, right? This must be. 1797 01:48:36.819 --> 01:48:37.000 Right? 1798 01:48:37.060 --> 01:48:39.680 Like this movie in a certain way is programming your unconscious. 1799 01:48:39.699 --> 01:48:42.880 You get through all this stuff. It turns out, Oh, I'm, 1800 01:48:43.060 --> 01:48:46.130 you know, okay. Maybe you can become, you know, like city, 1801 01:48:46.229 --> 01:48:51.130 you know, you know, the, you know, the ninth gate, 1802 01:48:51.270 --> 01:48:54.550 you can become, you know, the, or like in his 1803 01:48:54.949 --> 01:48:57.649 followup novel for the, you know, the angel heart, you 1804 01:48:57.680 --> 01:49:00.760 become the, you know, the, you know, the ruler of 1805 01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:05.739 hell or like staggerly or, Um, that's, that's a dead end, right? 1806 01:49:05.819 --> 01:49:10.909 Cause you're not obviously, but primarily it's really about finding 1807 01:49:10.930 --> 01:49:16.109 a real way to start to, you know, to connect 1808 01:49:16.409 --> 01:49:20.779 with your life and life purpose within where we live and, 1809 01:49:21.100 --> 01:49:24.560 you know, here and now, and sort of not just 1810 01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:27.260 transcending it, but just, you know, I think people should 1811 01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:28.819 check it out, but I think it's very important. And 1812 01:49:28.859 --> 01:49:31.979 there's a lot of different, um, perspectives because

I think it's, 1813 01:49:32.149 --> 01:49:35.130 it is essential that you know, we're looking at all 1814 01:49:35.189 --> 01:49:38.449 these sort of control matrices and all these other things, 1815 01:49:38.489 --> 01:49:40.640 but we have to go outside of that. 1816 01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:40.880 Right. 1817 01:49:40.939 --> 01:49:43.430 And I think that's the thing is once you see it, 1818 01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:46.520 then you're, you're free of it. Right. It's like the 1819 01:49:46.579 --> 01:49:50.960 ritually charged objects. You realize what's charged them, then you 1820 01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:52.479 don't touch them. You're fine. 1821 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:52.760 Right. 1822 01:49:53.060 --> 01:49:56.829 So anyways, please, please check out the resident state and 1823 01:49:57.850 --> 01:50:03.199 YouTube and very, but you rumble Spotify and, And Trump's 1824 01:50:03.300 --> 01:50:07.720 personal feed. At least Trumpy Bear. Trump doesn't like me, 1825 01:50:07.739 --> 01:50:09.229 but Trumpy Bear likes my podcast. 1826 01:50:11.949 --> 01:50:13.520 Brett, what would you like to add? 1827 01:50:14.369 --> 01:50:16.050 Okay. 1828 01:50:16.569 --> 01:50:21.310 Well, if people are interested and people enjoyed this analysis 1829 01:50:21.380 --> 01:50:25.329 of Angel Heart. Again, Sean and Hans joined Thomas and I, 1830 01:50:25.380 --> 01:50:27.520 I don't know, it was a year or more ago. 1831 01:50:28.100 --> 01:50:28.680 It's in our main feed. 1832 01:50:28.699 --> 01:50:29.560 I think it was more. 1833 01:50:29.739 --> 01:50:29.899 Yeah. 1834 01:50:31.069 --> 01:50:34.409 We talked about Angel Heart. And yeah, that's my book 1835 01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:37.520 that was just published for Cascade Press, Transhumanism and the 1836 01:50:37.539 --> 01:50:40.439 Religion of Apotheoses. I hope to come on, plan to 1837 01:50:40.479 --> 01:50:42.439 come on. We're scheduled to talk about this. 1838 01:50:42.460 --> 01:50:45.960 Friday at 10.30 live, guys. Friday, 10.30 live. 1839 01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:46.720 Check it out. 1840 01:50:46.899 --> 01:50:53.239 So more on that then. But we have a Patreon. 1841 01:50:53.279 --> 01:50:57.510 PsyOps Cinema is the podcast where we do the occult. 1842 01:50:58.090 --> 01:51:03.550 psyop uh cinema analysis and um there are some some 1843 01:51:03.609 --> 01:51:07.180 series for uh patreon subscribers only i think some of 1844 01:51:07.220 --> 01:51:09.479 the the work i put the most work into is 1845 01:51:09.539 --> 01:51:12.140 in is in that um is in our premium episodes 1846 01:51:12.220 --> 01:51:15.739 it's five dollars a month we've started this uh what's 1847 01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:17.319 gonna be two parts but it's gonna be like five 1848 01:51:17.340 --> 01:51:20.289 and a half hours of our analysis of um wild 1849 01:51:20.329 --> 01:51:22.670 palms of the early 90s wild palm series it's all 1850 01:51:22.710 --> 01:51:24.390 recorded we just got to release the second part it'll 1851 01:51:24.409 --> 01:51:30.670 be out pretty soon And yeah, the magazine, the research anthology, rather, 1852 01:51:30.899 --> 01:51:35.399 Cultural Engineering Studies, Hans was in the last issue, number three. 1853 01:51:35.420 --> 01:51:39.100 You can get hard copies. I don't know if we've 1854 01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:43.079 released any of it digitally yet, but you can buy 1855 01:51:43.119 --> 01:51:45.500 hard copies of number three. You can get the other ones, 1856 01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:47.500 a lot of it digitally, and you can also buy 1857 01:51:47.539 --> 01:51:51.600 hard copies of one and two. And article site, we're 1858 01:51:51.619 --> 01:51:53.680 going to be populating more and more on the Decoding 1859 01:51:53.720 --> 01:51:58.539 Culture Foundation website. I have a big 40-page article on 1860 01:51:58.619 --> 01:52:01.520 Hollywood Gnosticism and Revelation of the Method and stuff that 1861 01:52:02.989 --> 01:52:05.310 kind of encapsulates a lot of the concepts we've used 1862 01:52:05.369 --> 01:52:08.229 actually on the show. Hopefully Hans will have some work 1863 01:52:08.310 --> 01:52:11.529 up there. Collins Brothers write for us. So we hope 1864 01:52:11.550 --> 01:52:13.359 to get some more traffic on the article section on 1865 01:52:13.399 --> 01:52:14.770 the website. I don't think people are aware of it, 1866 01:52:14.779 --> 01:52:16.340 but we're putting up a lot of good work there 1867 01:52:17.079 --> 01:52:19.739 as well. And so just enjoy the discussion. 1868 01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:20.380 Thanks, William. 1869 01:52:20.600 --> 01:52:22.239 I'll see you in five days. 1870 01:52:22.770 --> 01:52:23.289 Yeah, shortly. 1871 01:52:23.489 --> 01:52:25.210 And this is the best place to buy the book, guys. 1872 01:52:25.670 --> 01:52:27.489 You can go directly to the publisher. It's the same 1873 01:52:27.529 --> 01:52:32.229 price here as on Amazon, so you can go to whipandstock.com 1874 01:52:32.869 --> 01:52:36.310 and buy it there and support your local publisher's publishing. 1875 01:52:36.989 --> 01:52:41.880 More important work than all these bestsellers and stuff that 1876 01:52:41.920 --> 01:52:45.000 are out there. But thanks a lot, three guys, for 1877 01:52:45.180 --> 01:52:49.640 showing up. Great analysis. And it'll be this Friday that 1878 01:52:49.659 --> 01:52:53.789 I'll be interviewing for, I bet, 10.35. pacific so 10 1879 01:52:53.789 --> 01:52:57.420 30 a.m pacific time and so check that out but 1880 01:52:57.619 --> 01:53:00.979 uh i'll put links to all the shows psyop cinema 1881 01:53:01.060 --> 01:53:03.760 wake the dead and the resident state so thank you 1882 01:53:03.779 --> 01:53:08.119 guys 250 live listeners do great comments thanks everybody for 1883 01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:11.409 showing up and participating and if you like these shows 1884 01:53:11.470 --> 01:53:13.449 or anything also one of the interesting things i wanted 1885 01:53:13.470 --> 01:53:16.829 to tell you brett and also the listeners is i 1886 01:53:16.869 --> 01:53:19.569 reposted our old shows about ed sheeran and they went 1887 01:53:19.630 --> 01:53:22.640 bananas they like There were so many listeners. I just, 1888 01:53:22.779 --> 01:53:25.899 because of what's going on in the larger media about 1889 01:53:25.960 --> 01:53:31.050 him and that whole kind of kerfuffle with Macklemore, it 1890 01:53:31.060 --> 01:53:33.550 seemed to just like, so those older shows are really 1891 01:53:33.590 --> 01:53:38.189 important to guys. They're still relevant, still salient and check 1892 01:53:38.210 --> 01:53:41.579 them out and check out these older podcasts again. But 1893 01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:44.560 thanks everybody for participating. 1894 01:53:44.579 --> 01:53:45.060 Thanks so much. 1895 01:53:47.460 --> 01:53:48.199 One last comment. So,