บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Obsessing Over Thrifting, Japan & Melissa Lehman

00:04:02.319 So there is a very weird Gene Wilder voice narrating the show. 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:12.240 And when I watched, because I was probably stoned or needlepointing or something, I missed that, or because I was a screener, maybe it wasn't even included on the screeners, that this voice was AI. 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:12.879 So I'm watching it. 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.480 I'm like, wow, they got a really fantastic voice actor to do Gene Wilder. 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:17.360 No, no, no. 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:20.480 It was literally Gene Wilder's voice put through an AI thing. 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:25.040 It's that part is upsetting to me, but the show is very fascinating to watch. 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:30.720 There's some of the dumbest gameplay you've ever seen, ever, ever, ever, ever seen, and I'm obsessed with it. 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:37.759 The contestants, most of them are so unlikable, and the ones that are likable, you're really rooting for, which is like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:39.759 You know, the casting department did a really great job. 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:41.040 I recommend you watch it. 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:42.240 It's nine episodes. 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:46.000 Get absolutely blasted, zoo-detooted, and go watch this show. 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.439 My raise a brow, and this is where I need your help. 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:54.319 I am on a journey to eliminate microplastics as much as I can. 00:04:54.480 --> 00:05:01.120 So I've replaced a lot of my water bottles, my utensils for glass, metal, stuff like that. 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:06.720 But I'm having a real, real issue finding plates. 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:10.639 And I know people are going to be like, oh, you can just go to another thrift store, whatever, get plates. 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:12.240 A lot of them still are plastic. 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:21.120 Like, I am looking for a very good, affordable non-plastic plateware company. 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.879 If you know it, please, please, please let me know. 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:30.560 I just don't want to be putting bull like hot food in these plastic things that I got from Target like 15 years ago. 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.079 Please, please, please let me know. 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:36.959 I want to remind everyone that we are on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:40.959 If you have not subscribed to us on any of those, what are you doing? 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:42.240 You're holding your phone right now. 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:42.959 I know you are. 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:43.839 Go follow us. 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:48.639 Also, while that phone's in your hand, text Thive Friends, a link to this podcast. 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:49.600 Spread the word. 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:50.399 Come on, guys. 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:51.439 Let's build this community. 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:52.319 Let's get going. 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:54.879 Just

a reminder episodes come out every other week. 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:56.800 And so keep tuning in. 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:58.879 I'm so obsessed with our guests today. 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:00.399 Her name is Melissa Lehman. 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.040 She is an actress, but she's also a stylist. 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:06.319 Um, I became obsessed with her because she does Matt Rogers clothes. 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:15.120 And one day when he was on the Today show doing Jenna and Friends, he was wearing a Casa Grace jacket, which Casa Grace, I'm obsessed with. 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:16.079 We've had him on the show. 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:18.160 And I was like, oh, who styles him? 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:18.879 I must know. 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:20.399 It's this woman, Melissa Lehman. 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.160 I've met her at Watch Happens Live a bunch. 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:23.839 She is so, so, so, so cool. 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:30.000 She specializes in thrifted clothes, environmentally friendly thrifting and styling. 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:30.800 I love her. 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:31.920 We're gonna talk fashion. 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.879 We're gonna talk the best places to shop in New York and abroad. 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:36.639 I'm so excited for you, Lyson. 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:38.000 We'll be right back. 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.079 Melissa Lehman, we're obsessed with you. 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:44.800 Welcome. 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:45.920 I think it's actually Lehman. 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:46.800 Oh, it is? 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:47.680 Oh my god, I'm so sorry. 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:48.240 No, you're fine. 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:48.800 Everyone says it. 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:49.279 Lehman. 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:49.680 Okay. 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:50.560 Melissa Lehman. 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:51.680 We're obsessed with you. 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:52.879 Welcome to the show. 00:06:53.040 --> 00:07:01.519 I'm I've peripherally seen your work because of Watch What Happens Live and Matt Rogers being a frequent guest, and he's always dressed by you. 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:02.079 Thank you. 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:03.439 And he always looks stunning. 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:08.399 But I really became obsessed with you because of the legally blonde anniversary outfit you put him in. 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:09.279 Oh my god, thanks. 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:13.279 That was one of my favorite outfits of the past, like probably year in styling. 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:17.680 It was like, it was just so perfect for him and the event. 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:20.800 And then I was like, I really want to talk to her about her styling gig. 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:21.839 I think it's amazing. 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:22.399 Thank you. 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:30.800 So, as you were, you did musical theater and you are a trained theater performer, but you have the styling gig on the side. 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:32.720 How did that pivot happen

for you? 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:38.800 So basically, I was during the pandemic, my husband and I were both living in New Orleans, actually. 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:39.519 Fabulous. 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.680 And we were auditioning there a lot, and I was working a lot as an actor. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.759 And I mostly do film and TV. 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:55.839 So I do, it's like ironic because my husband's like the most introverted person, and I'm a very extroverted person, but for some reason he works more in theater and I work more in film, film and TV. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:57.040 We're both always like, what? 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:58.240 Like makes no sense. 00:07:58.399 --> 00:07:58.800 Theater? 00:07:58.959 --> 00:07:59.600 Hire me. 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:01.680 Um she's tech of all. 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:04.560 Um slate, slate for the camera. 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:05.600 Hi, I'm Melissa Lehman. 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:06.879 I'm 5'8, and I'm based in New York. 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:07.920 Do the show the hands. 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:09.519 Oh, that's commercials. 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:10.240 Thank you. 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:11.199 Sides of the face. 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:12.079 Sides of the face. 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:14.480 Um, so we were living in New Orleans. 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:20.079 I was working a bit as an actor there, and then the strike happened. 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:27.279 And we we were back and forth a lot between my parents' house and his parents' house in New York. 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:29.519 My parents live in California, his parents live in New York. 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.199 We were going back and forth between. 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:38.240 And while we were staying with my parents, I was like, I have so much shit here. 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:39.279 Like, what is here? 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:40.559 And we started cleaning everything out. 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.919 And I was like, oh my God, I have so much thrifted stuff that I've been collecting. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:44.879 I'm a hoarder. 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:50.639 And then I started being like, wait, this is actually like so deeply in my soul. 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:54.559 I feel like I should start making this part of my life and my business. 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:59.840 And so I just kind of started being like, okay, I'm just gonna post stuff online that I have because I had things in all sizes because I'm a psychopath. 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:00.159 Yeah. 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.240 So I was like, let me just posting it. 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:03.759 Yeah, let me just start posting it online. 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:15.519 So then I was doing kind of like thrifted bundles for people while I would shop for people and buy them basically thrifted clothes, um, and then style them in thrifted clothes. 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:16.159 Amazing. 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:23.600 Yeah, and it all kind of started because I, you know, the strike

happened. 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:26.000 It was like, what are we doing? 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.879 I need a different side gig, basically. 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:33.600 And I had been like, I was like number one fast fashion queen. 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:35.679 Like I loved fast fashion. 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:37.600 HM was like my jam. 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:38.960 Like I felt like it was my safe space. 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:42.320 Someone said to me yesterday, HM is my safe space, and I was like, no, I used to feel that way. 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:42.720 Yes. 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:47.200 And then I watched The HM on fifths uh fifth halves should be considered a third space. 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:47.840 Oh my god. 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.080 You just like you're in Midtown, you find yourself in theater. 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:50.960 You gotta go in there. 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:51.279 Yeah. 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:55.039 But I watched a documentary about fast fashion called The True Cost. 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:56.639 If you want to watch it, it's really devastating. 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:57.360 I've watched it. 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:58.879 It is a real eye opener. 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:05.200 Real eye opener, and it just made me like, wait, I'm actually contributing to this in a way that I don't agree with. 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:16.559 So I kind of like looked into it and was like, wait, actually, secondhand, when you shop secondhand, you reduce the actual item that you're wearing's carbon footprint by 86% minimum. 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:22.320 So, like, I was like, oh, this thing that I do already, I'm already a thrifter and a hoarder. 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:33.039 Like this actually could be useful in helping people understand that thrifting isn't just like I mean, it's it's a skill, but it's not just like gross clothes. 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:33.360 Yes. 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:41.919 I can curate it and wash them and give them to people and style them in thrifted clothing and show them that secondhand is actually the better way to go. 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.639 And it can be just as cool as fast fashion. 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:48.799 Like I think the fast fashion thing is just like an instant gratification. 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:49.440 Yes. 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:52.720 And thrifting is also that, but is much more sustainable. 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:52.960 Yes. 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:53.840 You know how to do it. 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:54.320 Absolutely. 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.399 Well, I think there's the difference between being trend driven and being style driven. 00:10:58.480 --> 00:10:58.879 Yes. 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:03.919 And I think specifically there's a Bravo Leb that I think is very trend driven. 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:04.960 I don't want to say her name. 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:07.360 Um, and I wouldn't know. 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:08.080 It's fine. 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:09.279 Matt Rogers wouldn't know. 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:10.320 Um of course he would. 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:12.639 It's just like that's where you get the fast fashion. 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:17.039 Like Zara has to put out this mesh shirt because like Connor Story wore something like it. 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:17.519 You know what I mean? 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.519 They have like 80 drops a year or whatever. 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:20.639 Yeah. 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.919 When I was going through your website, there are the different tiers of styling you do. 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.639 And I really want to talk about this thrifting bundle one because I think it is so accessible for people. 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:30.240 And I think it's brilliant. 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.279 Because thrifting can be like Sisyphian. 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:39.279 Like it's daunting to go into L Street vintage or L Train vintage and see everything. 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:41.919 So, how does that process work if people were interested? 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:42.480 Yeah. 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:49.279 So, like basically what I started doing was the thrifted bundles, and I like as I mentioned, I had a bunch of stuff. 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.879 So what I started doing was like collecting a bunch and just like shopping for myself. 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.399 And then it does take a lot of work. 00:11:54.480 --> 00:12:01.279 Like people love to shit on like resellers because you know, they're like, you're taking clothes and whatever. 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:02.960 That's it, just is what it is. 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:14.320 But what I do is I go in, I thrift, I clean, get all the stains out, I mend. 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:18.559 My mom is an amazing tailor, so my mom does on my tough. 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:18.960 Yes. 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:20.960 But I like that um the mending you can see. 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:21.759 I think that's really cool. 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:22.320 I love that. 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:22.879 Yes. 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:28.240 So for I used to have a huge collection of stuff, so now I don't anymore. 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.320 But I basically just thrift for you. 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.960 I clean the stuff, I mend it, I send it to you. 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.120 You keep what you like and you send back what you don't. 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:36.080 That's so cool. 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.240 I think that's really, really great. 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.559 Do you talk to the person beforehand about like their general vibe? 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:41.679 Yeah. 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.200 So I just did one for a big celebrity. 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:47.440 He sent me a really cool Pinterest board. 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:48.399 He has like amazing style. 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:48.639 Yeah. 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.720 So it's really fun to do him because he just sent me this like the best board ever. 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:58.879 And I just like looked

through it and I went shopping and sent him a huge box of 44 pieces. 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:00.159 And he kept all of it. 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:00.720 I love it. 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:01.440 Yeah. 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:06.000 How do you think one should go about finding like their signature style? 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.360 Because I have like a real problem trying to like hone in on what mine is. 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.759 You know, it's really interesting because I actually struggle with my own personal style a lot. 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.720 Um, I think personal style and styling someone else is very different. 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:17.120 Totally. 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:18.399 And I don't really love to talk about that. 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.679 I struggle with my personal style because I don't want people to think that I don't know what I'm talking about. 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:23.600 But I do think they're separate concepts. 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:24.399 A hundred percent. 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.559 And I help people find their personal style. 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:28.960 But when it comes to myself, I'm always like, I don't know. 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.639 Because I personally like fabric. 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:34.720 Like fabric is like the most important part of me. 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:35.679 Like what I wear. 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.919 Fabric is the most important part of what I like to wear. 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:41.840 I think it's probably my like neurodivergence or whatever. 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.240 Like I just like it needs to be comfortable. 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:45.440 Sensory experience. 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:50.960 Yeah, like like if I'm sweating, if I'm hot, if I'm cold, like I feel like my temperature changes a lot. 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.120 So, like that is like my number one. 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:55.759 This is why I think underwear you should be able to try on underwear. 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:56.480 That's a different story. 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:57.120 I love that. 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:57.519 Yeah. 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:04.559 Um, but I think, you know, getting to know someone, there's definitely like a psychology element to what I do. 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:07.279 I would say, like, very high on the list, honestly. 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:13.200 And getting to know someone and like really what they're looking for and like how they want to feel and how clothes make them feel. 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:15.600 Everyone has a different relationship to clothing. 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:24.000 And I think that finding your personal style is finding like what makes you feel like you and makes you feel good. 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:24.480 Yeah. 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:32.159 And like, I definitely think, you know, there's styling for your body type and things like that and trends and stuff like that. 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:37.759 But I think the number one thing about style is what makes you feel like yourself and makes you feel good and confident. 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:38.399 Yeah. 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.159 You know, if you feel good in something, like that is style. 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:42.639 Yes. 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.279 Like this could be hideous if I didn't feel good in it. 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:45.519 Yeah. 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:46.559 You know what I mean? 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:51.120 Like objectively, like you can look at anything and be like, oh, that's ugly or that's cute. 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:55.200 And I always find that really tough when people are like ripping something apart. 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:55.679 Yes. 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.720 Because I'm just like, they felt good in it and they took a swing. 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:00.000 Like, why does it matter so much? 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:02.720 People are too precious about they're so precious. 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:04.559 And like ripping people apart. 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:12.399 Like, you don't understand how difficult it is to get people in something like that that works, that fits, that's the right design, that's the right vibe, and then they feel good in it. 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.720 And then they go on the carpet and everyone's like, that's hideous. 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:15.759 I can't believe they picked that. 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:19.519 And it's like, yeah, that was like something they wanted to, they felt good in. 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:20.960 And now you're just like shitting on it. 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:21.759 It's just like, what? 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:22.159 I don't know. 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:23.200 I just find it really icky. 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:23.519 Yes. 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:26.639 In the hotel room, they were like, I feel like me. 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:27.440 You know what I mean? 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:27.759 Yeah. 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:28.159 Yeah. 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.200 And I mean, I it's always not, it's not always that situation. 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.679 But I just feel like it's like, I don't know. 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:35.840 People take swings and like we should be able to do that. 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:36.480 Absolutely. 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.440 You know, I feel like they'll say, like, oh, you can't say anything anymore. 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:40.720 It's like you can't wear anything anymore. 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.559 It's like ripping it to shreds. 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:43.679 It's like all online. 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:46.000 You can't do anything anymore. 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.480 And we had um I mean you can. 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:49.679 Yeah, yes, you can. 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:50.879 You'll just get ripped apart. 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:51.200 Yeah. 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:58.720 Um, we had Von Vreland on the show recently, and he was talking about like um Valjaanism. 00:15:58.960 --> 00:15:59.840 No, Javierism. 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:00.159 Uh-huh.

00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:01.440 I always miss those two. 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:01.919 It's okay. 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:11.679 And it's like the idea of people go on the online and they do something, and then the reaction is so disproportionate to what they did. 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:12.080 100%. 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.480 And I truly am thinking of the Shailen Woodley outfit. 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:16.080 Just about to say the Shailen Woodley outfit. 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:17.840 It was a crazy outfit, but she loved it. 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:19.039 Also, it was Balenciaga. 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:21.200 Like at the end of the day, like, isn't it Balenciaga's fault? 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:21.679 Yes. 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:22.159 Absolutely. 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:28.159 Like, I like if you're gonna blame someone, I would say, like, Balenciaga made this and she wore it. 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:28.480 Right. 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:32.159 Like, just be like, oh yeah, Balenciaga made an ugly outfit in your opinion. 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:33.039 But it wasn't even ugly. 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:33.919 I didn't even think it was that bad. 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:36.000 I just didn't like her hairstyle with it. 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:36.559 Yes. 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:37.600 That was my personal opinion. 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:39.519 I was like, oh, she could have just done a different hairstyle. 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:39.919 Yeah. 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:41.600 And then, or I don't know. 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:42.480 And then she changed. 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:43.679 I was like, come on. 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:48.320 That outfit also it's talking about like the personal style of it. 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.440 Like, yeah, on someone like a Sarah Paulson, yeah, everyone would be eating it up. 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:52.080 Eating it up. 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:52.639 Eating it up. 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:54.720 It's just that people don't like Shanley Woodley. 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:55.679 100%. 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:56.879 That's simply it. 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:57.120 Yeah. 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.039 Um moving on. 00:16:59.120 --> 00:16:59.279 Yeah. 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.440 Do you have a holy grail vintage find that you have come across? 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.519 Or some like is there something that's gotten away? 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:06.240 The one that got away. 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.160 Oh man, there's so many that got away. 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:11.440 You really have to make decisions in a, you know, specific way. 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.279 I also like, as I said, people, there are a lot of resellers out there. 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:27.839 And like I always make sure to donate a ton to the places that I'm pulling from or buying from, and not to take things that I don't need, because I just think that's like an important concept that we all should really be living by. 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:28.240 Yes. 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:32.799 Um, so if it's not something I necessarily need, I don't really buy it. 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.839 Um and then I don't need anything. 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:38.720 You know what I mean? 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.519 So then it becomes like this conversation I have with myself. 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:42.640 I feel like it's new every day. 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.119 Like what I'm like, do I need this for myself? 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:56.480 Um I there was this white Jill Sander puffer jacket at Crossroads that was like a hundred dollars that someone had on hold. 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:58.960 And I couldn't get it, and that really haunts me. 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.319 It was so beautiful, and I could not find it on a resale website. 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:02.880 It sucks. 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:03.839 Yeah, it was torture. 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.640 But I did find my, I would say my number one dream that I got. 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:08.319 I got two pairs of Chanel flats. 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.680 Emily, Emily's obsessed with Chanel flats. 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:13.039 I just like it was crazy. 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:14.400 I found the Buffalo Exchange. 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:15.200 Shut up. 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:22.160 I also actually have a pair of Prada shoes that I found in New Orleans Buffalo Exchange that were$100 that are like so stunning. 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:22.880 Wow. 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:24.000 I would say like, yeah. 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:26.000 But that's not really like a thrift find. 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:26.319 Right. 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.880 That's I mean, yeah, but I've definitely found things like that. 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.279 Does what is the New Orleans New Orleans thrifting scene look like? 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:41.440 Um, you know, I feel like all thrifting scenes are like your run-of-the-mill thrifts, or there's like tiers, you know what I mean? 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:47.039 So like at I wouldn't say like the bottom, but it just like I think it goes by curation. 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:47.599 Yes. 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:54.480 So like bottom of curation is like the goodwill bins, which is like, you know, you dig through and there's a lot of warehouses like that that people go to. 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:59.440 And then above that is like Goodwill, Salvation Army, red, white, and blue. 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:00.960 They're different chains kind of throughout the country. 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:01.680 Sabres. 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:02.079 Yes. 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:06.079 And then above that is like Buffalo Exchange, Crossroads, Second Street. 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:06.720 Yes. 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:08.640 Above that would be like consignment stores. 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:10.000 Yeah, like a real reel or something. 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:10.319 Yeah. 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:10.640 Yeah. 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.279 So New Orleans has a lot of consignment stores. 00:19:13.599

--> 00:19:14.000 Interesting. 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:19.200 They have a really good Buffalo Exchange, but now Buffalo Exchange is filled with fast fashion, which really tortures me. 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:23.359 What are your favorite NYC vintage thrift stores? 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.640 Um, I actually sell out of a place called the Brooklyn Vintage Club. 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:28.240 One of them check it out. 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:30.319 Check it out in Williamsburg, the Brooklyn Vintage Club. 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.359 They have like Y2K and 90s pieces. 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:34.559 They have men's and women's. 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:35.119 Love. 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:37.680 Um and everything in between. 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:42.240 Um, yeah, they I really love my friend Julie's store there. 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:44.720 Um I I love L Train. 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.920 L Train is the best place if you want to just, if you want like a true thrift. 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:48.319 Yep. 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.559 There are many L Train locations. 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:51.839 The prices are always amazing. 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:52.160 Yeah. 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.279 If you want to like actually thrift, Beacon's Closet is also amazing. 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:56.880 I love a Buffalo change. 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:58.160 I love a crossroads. 00:19:58.400 --> 00:19:59.920 It just depends on the mood you're in. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:00.799 Do you want to dig? 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:01.759 Right. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.359 Do you not like I there's a second street near me in Carol Garden. 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:06.160 Love Second Street. 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:12.880 And sometimes I'll just go in and it's like they have the nicest, like really top brands, obviously. 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:13.359 Yes. 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:15.119 But then you hit that t-shirt wall in the back. 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:15.359 Yeah. 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:17.119 And it's just like, this is great. 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:17.680 This is great. 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.400 They have such great things there. 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:21.279 That's the thing. 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:23.680 I have a lot of places like to buy at or sell at. 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:26.240 Second Street is a place to buy at, not sell at. 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:26.640 Correct. 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:28.640 Because they'll give you two dollars for a short. 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:30.640 They give you 50 cents for a shirt. 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:32.240 They told me 25 cents. 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:35.440 I one time went there and they were like, we don't take fast fashion. 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:36.640 And I was so offended. 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:37.759 They didn't even look at what I had. 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:39.279 They were just like, we don't take fast fashion. 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:43.759 And I was like, and I walked out my husband and was like, you were so nasty to them. 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:45.519 And I was like, they told me I had fast fashion. 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:46.319 I was like so mad. 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:47.519 It's just like some random child. 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:52.319 I was like, but I was so irritated because they were like, it's 25 cents for all fast fashion. 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:54.640 And I was like, I don't have fast fashion. 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:55.359 I was so mad. 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:56.240 I was so offended. 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:57.119 Um, lol. 00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:58.559 But most humbling experience. 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:00.079 Yeah, tough to sell there. 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:00.559 Yeah. 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:01.759 Great to buy there. 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:01.920 Yeah. 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:03.519 Crossroads, great place to sell. 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:05.200 Buffalo Exchange, good place to sell. 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:05.599 Yes. 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:09.279 But the only thing about it that's tough is that it's by um season. 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:09.839 Yes. 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:13.519 And I always like right now, summer's over, I want to sell all my summer stuff. 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:13.839 Right. 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:14.720 I just can't. 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:15.599 It's fall. 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:16.160 No. 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:17.279 They don't want what I have. 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.240 I just did a closet clean out, and that is like my favorite feeling in the world. 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:20.960 Oh, it's the best. 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:22.720 Put it all in a bag and get rid of it. 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:24.720 How do you feel about your own personal style? 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.359 Like, what's your mine is kind of all over the place. 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:32.319 I'm definitely so I'm from New England and I went to a prep school, so I'm definitely like prep school pills. 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:32.799 Love. 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:39.440 Like my uniform in life is like a really nice worn in polo that I've had for like 10 years. 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:40.000 Love. 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:41.599 And a pair of jeans. 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.680 But it took me a long time to have become like comfortable in jeans. 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:46.000 Yeah. 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:51.279 Like I've had weight issues, and I think that's a whole other part of my like style thing. 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:51.759 Yeah. 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:52.480 It's everyone's. 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:53.680 Yeah, totally. 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:59.599 And I like was so anti jeans for the longest time because I could not find a pair of jeans that I thought like helped me look. 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:03.200 Everything was just like so baggy or like skin tight. 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:03.519 Yeah. 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:06.880 And then I got these off Poshmark. 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:09.680 They're my like favorite pair of jeans in the entire world. 00:22:10.160 -->

00:22:12.720 Kind of you kind of need to find your own capsule collection for yourself. 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:13.440 Yes. 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:17.279 And it's like well, I got my colors done, which I I love. 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:18.880 The best thing I've ever done. 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:19.200 Ever. 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:19.680 What are you? 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:20.799 I'm a cool winter. 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:21.359 Same. 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:23.039 Oh my god! I think. 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:24.240 Jewel tones? 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:24.799 Yes. 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:25.200 Yes. 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:26.400 Cool winter! 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:27.039 Love. 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:28.240 I think we have the same coloring. 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:28.880 I believe it. 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.759 Yeah, like red undertones, mousy brown hair. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:32.319 Exactly. 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:34.000 Yes, absolutely. 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.039 The woman was like pulling all it was just also a humbling experience. 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:37.839 Oh, it is. 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:39.599 She would put things up and I'd be terrible. 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:41.200 And I was like, oh, that's my favorite shirt I own. 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:42.400 What are you talking about? 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:43.440 You know what I mean? 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:57.440 But it really did, it helped this with my the psychology of dressing because I realized that some of the clothes that I wasn't connecting to, mostly things I bought fast fashion, because I was like, I need a t-shirt or I need this button down. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.359 I wasn't liking on me and I couldn't figure out why. 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:01.680 Yeah. 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:02.799 And then I got my colors done. 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:06.160 I was like, oh, that's why, because it's not actually highlighting other parts of me. 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:06.480 Yeah. 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:07.359 You know what I mean? 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:15.599 I think that like that kind of goes into buying less buying things that are better made. 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:16.079 Yes. 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:17.920 Fewer better things. 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:18.319 Yes. 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.960 But I also like it's it's kind of a myth that clothes can be recycled. 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:25.279 Um, a lot of them are just thrown away or burnt. 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:31.519 Like we send them to other countries or we burn them or we put them in the trash in the ocean. 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:33.519 Like it's like kind of a really tough thing. 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:44.240 So once I started realizing that it's like not really that uh sustainable to give things away in the way you think it is, it kind of makes you buy things less that you're gonna be like, I want to give this away immediately. 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:48.000 Because if someone else isn't gonna want it, why would you buy it? 00:23:48.240

--> 00:23:48.559 Yes. 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:52.240 I think about the person after me and I'm like, okay. 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.279 I mean, it's not really our responsibility at the end of the day. 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:56.799 That's something that I also struggle with. 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.359 It's like it's corporations fault. 00:23:59.440 --> 00:23:59.920 You know what I mean? 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.720 It's like, but I try to do my due diligence of like, would someone else want this after me? 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:07.440 And would it stay a piece of clothing? 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:08.720 A lot of things just like fall apart. 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.880 I mean, that's the intention of fast fashion, is that it falls apart and then you need to buy more. 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:14.640 Obviously, it's all greed, you know what I mean? 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:15.680 It's all corporate greed. 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.119 So they want you to buy more. 00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:19.599 Yep. 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:21.599 And then they don't care what you do with it. 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:21.839 Right. 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:23.039 But like we have to care. 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:28.240 And they have these advertising budgets of a cajillion dollars. 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:35.200 So now you're seeing like oh yeah, the Zara ads every single time you open Instagram, and you're like, oh, now you start to think I do need that spot. 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:39.119 I just can't go in because I if I go in, I want it all. 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.079 Like people will always say to me, like, Oh my god, this it's Zara, sorry. 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.079 And I'm like, I love Zara. 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.079 I just like don't align with the principles of the concept of it. 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:50.319 So I just like that's a boundary I have. 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:52.079 You know, that's just my personal thing. 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:57.039 Well, when you say, like, yes, it is on the part of the um the corporation should be held accountable, of course. 00:24:57.519 --> 00:24:58.079 Yes. 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:02.960 But at the end of the day, you have to be comfortable with what you're doing yourself. 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:03.359 Exactly. 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:04.079 You know what I mean? 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:11.440 Like you have to lay your head at night and think, did I do is everything I did today in line with my actual principles? 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:11.759 Yeah. 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.920 Some days they're not, like because life happens. 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:14.160 Yeah. 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:16.240 But you should try to most of the time. 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:16.640 Yeah. 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:24.160 And I think that like if you have something like that that you're really impassioned about and like you can share with other people, it's, I don't know, I like talking about it. 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:27.680 I like sharing it with people, but I don't try to like judge people or make them feel bad about it. 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:31.200 I think people think that I do sometimes and they'll be like, I got this here. 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:32.319 Like, please don't be mad at me. 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:33.519 I'm like, what am I gonna do? 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:34.079 Punish you? 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:42.880 Like, it's not your fault that you were pitched this amazing thing and it comes tomorrow and it's like gorgeous and perfect and gonna make you feel like you. 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:46.000 Like, I don't want you to feel bad for feeling good about yourself. 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:49.839 Like, if you want to buy something at Zara because you think it's amazing, go for it. 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:51.839 Just as long as you're gonna wear it over and over. 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.920 Like, there's no, there's no problem there. 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:57.359 Well, it's also like going to your trainer and being like, I had cake last night. 00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:58.000 It was my birthday. 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:02.160 And it's like you are allowed to have intuitive eating. 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:03.039 You know what I mean? 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:04.799 Like everywhere, maybe not. 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:05.119 Yeah. 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:05.519 Yeah. 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:06.640 A hundred percent. 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.119 Um, steering clear, steering away from fashion. 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:10.559 I want to talk about gay guy travel. 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:11.759 Oh my god, gay guy travel. 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:19.519 Because you are part of the reason why I also came across is that you're always on a gay guy vacation with I know. 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:21.279 I kind of am always on a gay guy vacation. 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:22.000 You are. 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:22.240 I know. 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:24.160 I want to be on one of those gay guy vacations so badly. 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:26.000 All my best friends are gay guys. 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.039 So it's like if I'm on a vacation, I'm gonna be with gay guys on a vacation. 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.759 What role do you play on a gay guy vacation? 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:33.759 Sort of the woman, I would say. 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:34.880 Just a stretch. 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:37.839 Number one role I play is the woman. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.440 Um, what role do I play? 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:39.920 I don't know. 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:41.359 I'm just kind of there for the vibes. 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:44.240 Like, I'm not really, I'm sort of along for the ride. 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:44.400 Yeah. 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:46.559 It's sort of their vacation I'm around. 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:47.599 I mean, it just depends. 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:53.039 Like, I just went to Italy with my husband and my two best friends, and they are gay guys. 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:54.640 So I don't know if it was a gay guy

vacation. 00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:55.279 It was a gay game. 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:55.839 But it kind of was. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:56.640 It looked like a gay guy. 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:02.480 We like did ultimately go viral for a video that stars my husband that everyone is commenting. 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:08.240 And I think it went out to the perfect gay audience that like are all in love with my straight husband, but they don't know he's straight. 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:08.559 Yep. 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:13.440 And um, every comment is who's the first guy, who's the first guy, love the first guy, want to date the first guy. 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:14.319 So many followers. 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:15.920 He's like, I'm getting so many followers. 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:16.880 I'm like, Wow. 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:17.279 Yeah. 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:22.000 So he is ultimately huge for the theater career for the community. 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:29.359 Uh, I just think it went out to the right algorithm um for him and his uh gay fame. 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:36.400 When you travel, yeah, are you a shopper or are you like I am traveling? 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:37.680 Oh, I'm shopping. 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:43.599 My way of traveling is finding thrift stores within the city. 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:43.920 Yeah. 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.079 And then, like my husband and I love to do that. 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:51.839 We go, uh, I'm just I keep saying my husband, but my friend just called me out and was like, you always say my husband. 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.000 And I'm like, well, because his name is Michael and everyone's named Michael. 00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:54.160 Yes. 00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.880 So if they start saying Michael, then it's like, who could I be talking about? 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:57.279 Yes. 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:01.119 I my friends make fun of me because I call everyone by first and last name. 00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:03.200 Love and Michael Taconi. 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:03.839 Okay, great. 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.440 That's a great first and last name. 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:06.960 Perfect first and last name, Michael Taconi. 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:09.200 Okay, so Tacone, we we do call him Taconi too. 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:13.599 But Taconi and I love to travel because because we love each other. 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:20.799 No, because um, one of our favorite ways to travel is thrifting while traveling because you get to see different parts of the city. 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:33.599 So, like, I usually just go on TikTok or Google Maps, honestly, and just search thrift, and then it like takes us different parts of the city, and I save a bunch of things, and I have like each city has a Google Maps uh what are those called? 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:34.880 You know what I mean when you save things? 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:37.039 Yeah, Google Maps list. 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:38.799 It's such an unoriginal name now that we're gonna be like, I know. 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:39.759 I'm like, what is it called? 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:40.240 Yeah. 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:47.039 So I have like we just went to Milan, Milan, Milano Vintage, and like throughout that, I just have like a ton of saved vintage stores in Milan. 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:47.839 Just got this in Milan. 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:49.039 I love it so much. 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:50.799 I have some questions from Emily who's not here. 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:51.279 Okay. 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:52.480 Well, where'd you get it? 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:53.359 How many people were in your house? 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:54.000 How long did that jack? 00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:54.880 But was she hot? 00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:58.160 What are you obsessed with? 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:00.960 What are some sustainable brands we should all be shopping? 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:02.240 Oh man. 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.519 We had our shared BFF, Sandro Maureen of Cossack Race. 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:08.480 Absolutely love him. 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:09.279 My king. 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:10.400 He is so amazing. 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:11.039 The best. 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:12.640 I'm obsessed with his clothes. 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:16.480 I think I found him through the um, what is that called? 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:17.440 The Fort Green. 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.079 The Bazaar. 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:18.880 The Grand Bazaar. 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:19.599 Oh yes. 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:19.839 Yeah. 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.000 I saw him at the Grand Bazaar and met him there. 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:27.519 I mean, personally, I just like going around and like meeting people at like a flea market or something like that. 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.839 Someone that's like actually making clothing, like Sandro. 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:30.240 Yeah. 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.039 Um, that's like my favorite way to find someone. 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:33.440 Yeah. 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:41.599 I it's I I have this conundrum when it comes to sustainable brands because they're they're expensive. 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:46.079 And like the gap between fast fashion and sustainable brands is like pretty big. 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.920 That's why I like to shop secondhand because it kind of bridges that gap a lot of the time. 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:51.200 That's a great philosophy. 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.279 I think that's a really important like look at it. 00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:01.440 Yeah, I just like I think if you have the money, you better be shopping sustainable small brands. 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:02.400 You better be. 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:02.880 Yes. 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.759 You know, I don't have the money, but when I do, you know what I mean? 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:08.960 Like, I say this all the time. 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:10.960 The wrong people are rich. 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:12.720 People like us should be rich.

00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:13.200 Literally. 00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:14.160 We'd be so good at it. 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.400 I'm so I like hire me to be rich. 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:16.960 Yes. 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.920 I don't know what that that means, but yeah, hire me to be rich. 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:20.319 100%. 00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:20.960 I love that. 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:27.599 I'm trying to think, but I I love finding like cool, sustainable brands. 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:32.720 Like if you go to Beacon's Closet, you can find a lot of cool smaller brands there. 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:34.880 Um, but a lot of them are closing. 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.720 I mean, like Mara Hoffman was a really cool sustainable brand that closed. 00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:39.920 It sucks. 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:40.640 I know. 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:47.440 It's it's really it's really difficult to be a small batch brand when you're competing with fast fashion. 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:47.839 Right. 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:49.759 You just cannot compete. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:50.240 Yeah. 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:52.640 I really love this store, Wife, on the lower east side. 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:53.759 Oh, I love that store. 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.519 Yeah, they have really amazing stuff in there. 00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:56.960 I'm trying to think of other ones I love. 00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:58.880 I love Rachel Comey. 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:04.079 Um, Never Fully Dressed is a really cool store on the Lower East Side. 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.319 Um, let me think of it. 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.160 Great things are happening on the Lower East side when it comes to. 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.319 Oh, I honestly just walk around the Lower East Side. 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:10.640 Yeah. 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:10.960 Yeah. 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:11.359 Totally. 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:11.759 Yeah. 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:16.559 Um, you're in the process of detoxifying your life and you're doing the series on Instagram, which we love. 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:16.960 Yes. 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:21.519 With what is one swap you made that you notice a difference with immediately? 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:24.319 That's what's hard about that. 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.400 You know, you don't really necessarily notice a difference. 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:33.200 I I would say my number one thing that I'm really passionate about right now is a toothbrush because it's like microplastics are going in your gums and going in, like, I don't know. 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.200 I'm like your brain, is it getting close to your brain? 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:35.680 Yes. 00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:37.279 Um have you found a substitute? 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.559 Because I'm trying to eliminate micro as I can. 00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:40.960 Yeah. 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:41.599 As much as I can. 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:43.200 And the toothbrush one is the hardest. 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:43.519 Yes. 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.200 There's a toothbrush called Surrey. 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.119 It is an electric toothbrush. 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:48.480 You can get it at Target. 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.799 Um, probably fuck Target. 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:51.279 I don't know. 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.559 But yes, but also sometimes you have to shop at Target. 00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:55.119 You know what I mean? 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:55.759 It's really hard. 00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:56.960 It's the conundrum of our life, right? 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:58.559 Like if you're going to get so trapped. 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:07.440 If you're going to get something that is going to reduce microplastics at a reasonable price, I know, and you have to go to Target for that one thing, just do it. 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.000 It's so hard because there aren't stores that carry things anymore, too. 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:16.960 Like because of Amazon, I can't get anything at a normal store. 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.079 Like you go to a small store and you're like, oh, I'm hoping. 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.319 Like I I was looking for OxyClean recently. 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.519 OxyClean is something that I have to use because I get stains out of things. 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.759 Don't love to use it, probably extremely toxic. 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.799 Looking for OxyClean, I could not find it in New York City. 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:31.519 Really? 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:31.920 No. 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.880 And so I had to order it online, and I'm just like, okay. 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:36.319 It's just tough. 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.680 Like I it's not it's not our fault. 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:41.440 It's our responsibility. 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:42.000 I don't know. 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:50.720 I tried to buy a pillow the other day, and by the other day, I mean a year ago, and I could not find I wanted a certain brand because someone was like, this is best for this kind of sleeper. 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:51.200 Yes. 00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.839 Could not try it in New York City. 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:55.680 They have three showrooms. 00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:57.519 You had to buy the pillow online. 00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:58.079 What is it? 00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:58.559 What was it? 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.000 Sattva S-A-A-P. 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:00.480 Oh, I know that. 00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:03.920 And Wire Cutter was like, this is the best pillow for back sleepers. 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.000 It's like, great, I'll go and I'll just buy it and I'll try it out. 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:07.200 They're like, I go to the store. 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:07.759 No, we don't care. 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:08.240 It's not true. 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:08.640 I know. 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:09.440 What do you mean? 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:09.839 Your store. 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:11.039 I know. 00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:12.000

In-person is dying. 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:12.799 It doesn't make sense. 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:13.440 And don't you? 00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.920 Emily and I always talk about like going into a Bloomingdale's. 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.039 Don't you feel amazing in there? 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:17.920 I feel amazing in there. 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:19.440 Nordstrom is my safe space. 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:20.480 Oh my God. 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:21.119 It really is. 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:22.720 Remember the piano back in the day? 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:23.119 I don't know. 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:23.759 Of course. 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.119 Southern California girl, like Nordstrom, the piano. 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.039 Well, the Nordstrom lunch. 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:30.799 I was gonna say a Nordstrom cafe, honey. 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:32.480 Diet Coke in a salad, please. 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:33.279 Absolutely. 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:35.119 The French fries that came in that thing. 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:36.000 Oh my god. 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.240 Oh yeah, me and my girls, we would it's not a salad. 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:41.839 It's like like just like a chicken with lettuce. 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:47.440 We would go after school sometimes and just sit in that Nordstrom cafe, feel like real bitches. 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:47.920 You know what I mean? 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:49.200 Real bitches, real rich too. 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:49.680 Yes. 00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:50.559 Oh, heaven on earth. 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:50.880 I know. 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.240 Um, we'll be right back with your obsession obsession, but can you tease me with one word? 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:54.880 Travel. 00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:56.240 Oh my god, I'm so excited. 00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:57.279 Fabulous. 00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:58.559 We'll be right back. 00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:03.839 All right, Melissa. 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:05.359 You tease me with travel. 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:07.039 Tell me what you're obsessed with right now. 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:08.159 I'm obsessed with Japan. 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.599 I want to go so badly. 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:10.480 Tell me everything. 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.360 I like I'm horny for people talking about Japan because I it's just the end all be all for me. 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.840 I know it's like another millennial white woman obsessed with Japan. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.840 And like the T is it's just it's it lives up to the hype. 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:28.320 One of my best friends from growing up was living in Japan for three years, and I went to visit her and she took me around. 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:35.519 Having a local take you around, I mean, local, having someone that lives there take you around was truly life-changing. 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:48.320 Um, I just like the way they take care of everything, the culture, everything is thoughtful, like down to every single thing. 00:34:48.400 --> 00:35:00.079 They're like it's just like they give you something, like they give you a cookie and it's like perfectly wrapped and like decorated in like in the most gorgeous kawaii cute way, and they're just like, and they present it with like such honor. 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:00.719 You know what I mean? 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:03.199 It's just such a beautiful culture, yeah. 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:05.280 Um, yeah, I spent a bunch of time. 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.760 I went three times um in the last two years. 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:08.960 Absolutely surprised. 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:09.599 I know. 00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.880 I flew on miles and I stayed with my friend, which was so silly. 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.920 Yeah, but um, yeah, the thrifting there is insane. 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.719 It's a lot of like Americana, they actually love Americans. 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.559 There's just like very like the thrifting is very like Ralph Lauren. 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.719 They love Ralph Lauren, um Americana stuff. 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:29.840 But if you can find the Japanese local spots, uh-huh, that's where the real stuff is. 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.840 Is there like a chain or yeah, definitely. 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.440 They have Second Street, that's where it started. 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:36.320 Oh, duh, of course. 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.960 So Second Street is like amazing because there's a lot of like local, it's like their fast fashion Japanese brands. 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.519 I'm like absolutely like the cuts are amazing. 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:45.920 I was gonna say they're probably significantly better made. 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:46.639 Oh, of course. 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:47.280 Nature. 00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:48.239 Everything. 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:49.440 Yeah. 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:51.920 Um, yeah, so I love going to Second Street there. 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.719 There's another one called Book Off and Mode Off, which are really awesome. 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:55.199 Okay. 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.599 Um, yeah, and just like discovering, walking through, shopping. 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:01.679 I mean, it's so clean. 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:03.679 The food is so amazing. 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.199 I'm just like obsessed with the culture. 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:06.000 I'm obsessed with the people. 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:07.280 They're all so kind. 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.360 Um, probably because we're tourists. 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:09.920 Like, I don't know. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.639 I don't know the details there, but love being a tourist there. 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:12.960 Yeah. 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:14.239 Um I love that. 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:14.480 Yeah. 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:19.920 Why why do you think everything is done with such care there? 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:22.400 I just like think that it's like intention. 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:26.239 I think

like it's a cultural thing, you know? 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.800 I don't think that we have that same culture. 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.559 There's a there's a work hard, play hard culture there. 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:32.960 Yes. 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:38.239 But there's also like a pride in your work and what you output in this world. 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:39.920 A lot of other countries are like that. 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:40.880 We certainly are not. 00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:41.920 We are certainly not. 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:43.360 Or we've lost it. 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.960 Yeah, we because we are a we're a work-driven society. 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:47.360 Yeah. 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:53.360 But when it comes to like maximizing output as opposed to the quality of the output. 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:54.000 Yeah. 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:59.519 I think there's still a lot of intention behind a lot of people that work in a lot of different industries here. 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:10.079 But like when you're a person that's like a work from home on a computer every day, closing your laptop, like I don't know if you're as impassioned about your job than it is like working on making a watch. 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:10.559 Right. 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:11.199 You know what I mean? 00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:15.280 Like a watchmaker is probably a little more passionate about someone just like click clacking about. 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:15.599 Yeah. 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.480 Like, I don't know, maybe that's a generalization, but I just feel like we've lost intention. 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.880 I was just in Italy too, and there's so much intention. 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:33.519 Like, we just we went to a Parmesan cheese factory, Parmigiano Reggiano, you know, it's like they just they're they're so proud of what they're making. 00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.119 And like down to the cows. 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:36.559 Look at our cows, you know what I mean? 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.960 And it's like, can you tour a farm here? 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:40.480 I'm sure I'm sure you can. 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:42.800 Yeah, but like, do you want to? 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:43.280 I don't know. 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.360 Like, I don't know if I want to go to the Tyson chicken factory. 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.400 Certainly not. 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:47.840 You know, per don't. 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.519 Um, what was the I'm like a foodie through and through. 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.360 What was the best thing you ate in Japan? 00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:57.519 I absolutely love tonkatsu pork. 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:02.000 Just like love, it's like the panko breaded tonkatsu. 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:02.320 Yeah. 00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:03.280 Absolutely obsessed. 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.039 Did you get the egg salad sandwich at 7-Eleven? 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:05.920 Of course, a million times. 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:06.559 Was it worth it? 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:08.159 It's like not even real egg, I don't think. 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:14.239 I'm pretty sure it's like a like, I don't even know what it is, but it's not real egg. 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.920 Indescribable, really. 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:16.960 But yeah, it's unbelievable. 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:18.000 It's so creamy, it's so good. 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:19.599 Everything at 7-Eleven is amazing. 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:21.360 Did you do the vending machines? 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:22.079 Of course. 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:22.719 Oh my god. 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.880 Love the vending machines, love a trinket. 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.119 Um, yeah, I just love everything there. 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.960 Did you go where which cities did you have you done? 00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:33.840 We I mostly did Tokyo, which is my favorite. 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.800 And then we did Kyoto and Osaka the last two times we were there. 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.159 I mean, the last time I was there. 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:38.559 Yeah. 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:40.880 Um loved Osaka. 00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:45.119 Also in Japan, there's a lot of men's thrifting, which is not as common here. 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.159 A lot of like men's specific stores, especially in Osaka. 00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:53.280 We walk around this one area, um, and just like a ton of men's stores, which is really cool. 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.159 And I, and they just like, you know, they have such pride in their stores. 00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:59.039 Like, this is what I have, this is what I you know. 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:00.800 Did you read that book less? 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:01.119 No. 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.000 I won the Pulitzer a few, probably like 10 years ago now, actually. 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:11.360 And it's about a gay guy that um travels across the world and whatever, and he goes to Japan and he gets a suit made, and he basically wears that suit the whole time. 00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.679 And it's like it's a symbol, yada yada yada. 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.679 But I want to go to Japan to get a suit made. 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:16.159 Oh, yeah. 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.360 Because it's allegedly it's like the best suiting in the world. 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:20.000 Oh, yeah. 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:25.360 The best price, the best, like seamstress, like everything is supposed to be incredible. 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:27.360 I mean, I know that with Vietnam too. 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:32.320 Vietnam has you can go and get like shoes made, custom shoes made, you can get a bunch of clothes made. 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:37.679 You there are like these places all over Vietnam that you can go in and just get custom things made for you, and it's really inexpensive. 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.199 And they'll like ship them to you. 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:40.159 How do we have that here? 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:40.880 It's so fucked up.

00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:41.840 I think we do. 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:43.119 I think we just miss it. 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.119 Like, I'm saying, like, oh, we shouldn't tour farm. 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:45.920 We should tour farm. 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.119 Like, why aren't we thinking about it? 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:47.760 You know what I mean? 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.800 Like, I don't think we have the it's just such a big country. 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.719 Like, we can't really blame ourselves for not knowing. 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:53.119 Right. 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:59.519 But like, I feel like we should just like look into things that are a little more yes, but it's also things are inaccessible. 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:00.800 Like completely sure. 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:03.280 I could get it made of custom, I could get custom shoes. 00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:04.800 Yeah, they're probably gonna be over a thousand dollars. 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:05.280 100%. 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:06.000 You know what I mean? 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:06.639 Because the cost. 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:07.039 Yeah. 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:08.159 It's crazy cost here. 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.400 And I want to, like, I want to pay craftsmen fairly. 00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:12.719 I know. 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:13.360 You know what I mean? 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:14.559 That's the conundrum of it all. 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:16.079 That's what I was saying with sustainable brands. 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:16.639 You know what I mean? 00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:19.679 It's like it's expensive, but I want something that's gonna last. 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.039 So I actually think, oh, Rudy Jude is another really good brand. 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:24.079 Um Rudy Jude. 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:24.719 Rudy Jude. 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:25.119 Great. 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:31.280 Um, I think saving up for something and like spending the money is gonna be the better way to do it. 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.559 But it's like, how do I know where to go and what to do? 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:36.159 It's like you need the information. 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:36.880 Totally. 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.800 What was the greatest cultural difference you noticed? 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.119 Like that was really like no eating in the streets, no trash cans. 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:45.760 Whoa. 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:46.800 Yeah, there's no trash cans. 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.039 I'm always eating in the street, always eating in the street. 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:51.440 It's like very considered very rude to be eating on the street. 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.039 And you can't talk on the subway, right? 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.719 There, yeah, there's like a silent car. 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:55.920 There's a women-only car, too. 00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:56.559 Love that. 00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.199 I kind of like think I did speak on the subway and didn't really know. 00:40:59.280 -->

00:41:00.719 But like, of course, we're whispering. 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:01.039 Yes. 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:02.880 When you're talking, you're whispering. 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:03.280 Yep. 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.880 I mean, uh, we were. 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.760 I'm not, we're like, like, you know what I mean? 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.000 I'm not trying to like speak like Americans on the street. 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.159 It's just, but there aren't trash cans and there's no trash. 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:12.960 It makes no sense. 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:18.320 There are trash cans near the um vending machines, if you ever desperately need a trash can. 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.000 Um, or near the 7Es. 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.679 Sometimes in the 7-Elevens, but not in like the touristy areas because they don't want you to throw anything away. 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.519 I'm so curious about like cultural ethos. 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:29.119 So now I really want to like see why Japan has it all right. 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:30.320 You know what I mean? 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.719 Some of it Oh yeah, like you can't be gay there. 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:40.719 I was just gonna say, like there's definitely some, you know, underbellies, like every place that it's a little bit just like present a certain way. 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:41.280 Yep. 00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:47.119 Um but I think as a tourist and just on your like day-to-day operation, you know what I mean? 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:48.719 Like they have it really down. 00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:49.280 Yeah. 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:50.320 100%. 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:54.079 And I think I think it is just an interesting thing to be a tourist anywhere. 00:41:54.239 --> 00:42:01.679 Like I don't necessarily know the ethos of most places you go and you're trying to learn and trying to figure it out. 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.360 But being a tourist, you're like, oh I love this. 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:05.760 I see this. 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.280 Yes, and you have to adapt to that ethos. 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:07.920 You know what I mean? 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.599 When I'm in Europe, like I can't be like, all right, where's my nice coffee? 00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:12.239 Come on, let's go. 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:12.800 100%. 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.039 You know, like you just have to go with the flow. 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:15.440 Yeah. 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.440 You're you're playing their game, yeah. 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:18.079 Their rules. 00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:23.760 And I think it's fun to be in a place where you're, you know, I I don't love when I travel to be around a bunch of Americans. 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:28.000 I like to be like immersed as much as you can just to kind of just see what the culture is like. 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:32.639 But we just went to Florence and it was just like, whoa, there's so many Americans there. 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.840 And I was

like, not what I want. 00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:36.320 Yeah. 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.639 I try to do cultural immersion, not a field trip. 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:40.239 Yeah, like it just, I don't know. 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:48.239 It's just like I just want to be in the place, experiencing the thing as much as you possibly can and be as respectful as you can, because Americans are not known for that. 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:49.199 No, unfortunately. 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:50.239 I have to go to Japan. 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:51.519 I have to, I have to. 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.039 All right, that'll be my next big track. 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:53.280 Yes. 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.639 Um, we're running out of time, but I want to do a lightning round to get your takes on some more hot topics. 00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:57.360 Okay, well. 00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:59.039 Tell me if you're obsessed or over it. 00:42:59.119 --> 00:42:59.199 Okay. 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:00.079 Speed round. 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:00.480 Okay. 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:02.239 Monochrome. 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:03.599 Monochrome. 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:03.760 Yes. 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:04.639 Over it. 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.199 The concept of spooky season. 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:08.239 Over it. 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.400 Time blindness as an excuse. 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:11.519 I've never heard of that. 00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.519 Oh, it's when people are late and they're like, I have time blindness. 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:14.800 That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:15.199 Over it. 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:16.159 Your sisters. 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.960 A modern take on a classic silhouette. 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:20.880 What? 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:21.280 No. 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:23.519 That's what everyone was saying on the red carpet for the Emmy. 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:23.920 Is it? 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.360 This is a modern take on a classic silhouette. 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:26.239 It's a little black dress. 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:26.800 I hate that. 00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:27.199 Over it. 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:28.320 Cowboy boots. 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:28.880 Love. 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:29.280 Always. 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:29.840 Obsessed. 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:30.559 Uggs. 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:31.920 Always obsessed with this. 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:32.800 Why not? 00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:33.920 Voicemails. 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:34.559 Sure. 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:35.679 If you want to leave one, go for it. 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:36.480 Obsessed with this. 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:37.280 Camping. 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:37.920 Never. 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:39.760 Respectful confrontation. 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:40.559 Always. 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:41.679 High ponies. 00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:42.239 Sure. 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:43.199 Final question. 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:44.719 Are you obsessed with me? 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:46.320 Absolutely obsessed with you. 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:47.519 Melissa, thank you so much. 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:48.159 Thank you. 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.320 Tell our listeners and watchers where they can follow you. 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:55.039 Oh, you can follow me at Mulcy Mouse, my nickname, M-U-L-S-Y-M-O-U-S-E. 00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:57.599 And guys, she does the best styling. 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.480 If you're ever in need of anything, like please check her out. 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.000 I love everything you do. 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:03.039 I love everything you do. 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:03.920 Thank you so much, Melissa. 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:04.719 So nice to hang. 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:12.559 If you like this episode, highly recommend our episode with Sandra Maureen, the creator of Casa Grace, who specializes in sustainable fashion. 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:17.840 And if you want to know more about travel, I highly recommend the Eddie Massey episode. 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.320 His obsession was the vacation mentality. 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:25.039 And I think if you like this conversation about travel in Japan, it's a natural fit. 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:26.239 Thanks for tuning in. 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:27.440 Are you obsessed with us? 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.519 Please like, comment, and subscribe. 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:30.480 Bye. 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.480 You will test my factory. 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:41.440 What is it? 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.039 Or is my factory testing you?