บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Obsessing over Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Buffy & Jason Zeffir

forum. 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.279 But why did she think that was okay? 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:25.360 Mind you're a fucking business lady. 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:27.680 I hope you're well. 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.360 Here's what I'm obsessed with this week. 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:33.759 Here's my highbrow obsession. 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:40.240 It is now fall in New York, which means the theater season is finally coming to life again. 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.480 Plays are premiering again, uh, new things are happening. 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:48.160 I love the New York theater scene, obviously, who doesn't? 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.519 And this is just a great time to be in New York and see shows. 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:56.639 So the other day, I saw the uh John Robin Bates play, Other Desert Cities. 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:05.040 It was a Broadway production with uh Ed Harris, Julie Louis Dreyfus, Alison Janney, Joe Keary, and Lily Robb. 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:05.759 Or Rabe. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.120 I actually don't know how to say her last name, but it's like Broccoli Robb. 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:10.319 So I say Lily Robb. 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:19.439 This play is a revival of a 2011 play, and it was the finalist for the 2012 Pulitzer for Drama. 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.759 Pulitzer, Pul Pulitzer, I don't know what it is, but who cares? 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.959 This play had some of the greatest performances I've ever seen on a Broadway show. 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:34.879 This is Julia Dreyfus's uh Broadway uh debut, and obviously we know her as a comedic actress. 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:48.879 Uh this role is incredibly funny, but there is an emotional moment that happens in the second act that she handles with such uh brilliance and control that I was blown away. 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:52.240 She really is one of our finest actresses. 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.399 I think she is absolutely incredible. 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:59.600 The play is about a well-connected family in Palm Springs. 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:07.360 Uh the parents are basically like a Ron and Nancy type G O P stalworth people. 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:12.240 Uh Joe Keary plays their son, who is kind of just like existing in the world. 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:21.519 And then Lily Robb, Rabe, plays uh their daughter who lives on the East Coast and is a like deep, deep, deep blue Democrat. 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:28.480 And the play is definitely about uh Bush era politics and the uh crisis in the Middle East. 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:36.720 When I was watching this show, I was so charmed by the innocence of the political conflicts of 2004. 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:48.079 We are so beyond that Bush era good versus bad left versus right thing that I was watching this show and I was like, oh I miss when we just fought about a war. 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:49.120 You know what I mean? 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:51.360 Now everything else is so exhausting. 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.839 And I just think everyone should go should go see this show for these performances. 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:58.639 Lily is so good. 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:01.600 She ends the show so brilliantly. 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:04.000 Alison Janney, what can't Alison Janny do? 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:05.680 Ed Harris, he's still got it. 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:08.560 He is stomping around that stage. 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.480 And Joe Kiery is not just a one-hit wonder. 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:14.480 He is not just Stranger Things. 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:25.439 He had such a complex uh handle on this character where a lot of the heart of the show has to exist within him and rests on him, and he nailed it. 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.240 Other desert cities on Broadway, it's absolutely incredible. 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.199 If you're coming to New York or if you live in New York, go see that show. 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.040 Also just to see Julia Louis Dreyfest. 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:35.839 Like, who doesn't want to see Julia Louis Dreyfest do anything? 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:36.639 You know what I mean? 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.279 It's actually crazy to me that this is her Broadway debut. 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:41.360 I hope she wins the Tony. 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:43.920 My lowbrow obsession. 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:48.720 My lowbrow obsession is because of my bad back and my bad attitude. 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:59.519 I have spent 30-something years sleeping on my stomach, and now my back is so fucked up because of it that I've had to start sleeping on my back and adjust to it. 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:03.519 So I've been having problems finding a pillow that really works. 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:09.120 And through wire cutter, I found the tempored temper cloud pillow. 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:16.560 My relationship with this pillow is complicated because when I opened it up and put it on my bed, I thought I made a grave error. 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.480 I slept on it, I thought, Jesus Christ, I gotta return this pillow. 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.879 Will they return this pillow that I bought off Amazon? 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:28.079 Then one day, I don't know what happened, I don't know if I changed or the pillow changed. 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:36.480 But I laid in my head to take a little slumber and I slept like a baby and woke up with no back problems. 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:45.360 I don't like memory foam things, and yet maybe that's what I needed because it has really, really helped with my back issues. 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:47.360 It's just a very basic pillow. 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.159 It's like the memory foam temperatic thing. 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.639 And I like after sleeping with a while, it like really adjusted. 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:56.159 I uh maybe I adjusted. 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:58.480 I've changed, I've grown, I've evolved. 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:00.639 The temperedic temper cloud pillow. 00:09:00.720 -->

00:09:02.799 If you are a back sleeper, this is the pillow. 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:07.200 Just give it a few nights, maybe a week, and you will fall in love with it. 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:12.639 I want to remind everyone that we are on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook. 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:14.720 So if you're listening to this, check out our YouTube. 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:15.840 We have fun graphics. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.639 And if you are watching this, check us out on social media. 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:27.440 Episodes come out every other week, and we would love if you rated us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, like and subscribe us on YouTube, and tell your friends. 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:30.960 We want to expand this community, tell people, post about us. 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:35.279 We love you guys, we're obsessed with you guys, and we want to share the love with people. 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.519 I'm very excited about today's guest. 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:40.559 He is a real hustler in New York City. 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:42.159 His name is Jason Zephyr. 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:46.480 I'm gonna pick up his book, which just was released, Zombies of the Upper East Side. 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.559 He is a writer and pop culture aficionado. 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:52.240 You should absolutely follow him on Instagram. 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:53.840 He has such a fun follow. 00:09:54.159 --> 00:10:03.200 He gets into Bravo, he gets into reality TV, he gets into nostalgia, he gets into like high-concept ideas about pop culture. 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:11.759 And his book, Zombies of the Upper East Side, is a hysterical takedown of the Upper East Side and the women that inhabit it. 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:13.279 This is gonna be such a fun interview. 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:14.639 I cannot wait to get into it. 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:16.000 We'll be right back. 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.120 Jason Zephyr, we're obsessed with you. 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:22.080 Welcome to the show. 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:23.120 Thank you for having me. 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:24.159 I'm so excited to be here. 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.080 I'm excited to have you here as well. 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:32.639 I love your pop culture takes, and you are in the Bravo um cottage industry, as I put it. 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:35.440 But more importantly, you just released a book. 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:35.759 Yes. 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:39.120 We'll have a link below. 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:39.919 Check it out. 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:41.759 Um, and I really want to get into this today. 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.159 So tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and what you do. 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.240 Um, my name's Jason Zephyr. 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.720 I've I'm a writer, first and foremost. 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:56.480 Um, when I started pursuing agents for my book, one of the biggest criticisms I received was that I had no online presence. 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.840 So that's really what kind of got that going. 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:08.720 And I just leaned into my pop culture kind of obsessions, and that's what led my account to kind of like blow up a little bit. 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:10.559 It's really blown up. 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:15.360 Like you are you have a huge following and a really dedicated fan base. 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:17.440 How did you build that? 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:19.360 So I started doing it. 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.320 I wasn't super comfortable with like being in front of the camera. 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:22.720 Yeah. 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:29.360 So I wasn't, I wasn't going to start it with like just like a camera and like, hey guys, like get ready with me. 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:31.440 Like I never was going to do that. 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:38.720 So I had to just um focus on the things that inspired me, that inspired my writing. 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:47.120 So even though it wasn't like a camera like on my face talking about things, what I was posting was my point of view and the things that I loved. 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:50.399 And then I started doing like Martha Monday. 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:55.440 So I'd post like a Martha Stewart something every Monday, which I'm going to pick that up again soon. 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:56.080 You must. 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:56.320 Yes. 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:58.240 And you gotta leave with the Roney present. 00:11:58.639 --> 00:11:59.440 For sure, for sure. 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:00.399 I'm so excited. 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:02.639 Yes, so good, so good. 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:03.600 Um, yeah. 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:11.759 So, and and it was a lot of like women in particular, like funny women, um, have always inspired me ever since I was like a little kid. 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:14.639 Like I love soap operas and I loved all that stuff. 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:23.039 Um, yeah, so I would do like Martha Mondays, I would do Faye Thursday, like a Faye Dunaway thing, and they just started like taking off. 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:35.120 And now it's a little bit more personal with the book being out and stuff, and I am putting myself on camera more and I'm doing shows and I'm promoting it, and I'm getting more like used to that, but it's a learning curve. 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:38.159 Often reality shows are stranger than fiction. 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:43.120 Yes, and this book is as strange a piece of fiction as I have ever read. 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:44.879 I think it's hysterical. 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.159 I think it is so cutting. 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:54.320 I think you have a great anthropological eye of a certain person. 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:56.159 How did so? 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:01.759 Your book, Zombies at the Upper East Side, is about a zombie outbreak on the Upper East Side. 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:06.240 And you've said do you the Upper East Side has survived Bernie Madoff, Woody

Allen, and sample sales. 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:06.480 Yes. 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:08.960 And now they have to survive a zombie apocalypse. 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:10.960 Where did this idea come from? 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.120 And were there like there are definitely Rony influences in here? 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.320 I see the spitter I know is based off of real person. 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:18.799 Yes. 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:20.720 Um, like kind of a New York legend. 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.279 Where did inspiration come for some of these characters? 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:29.200 So inspiration for the characters came from so I we're on the Upper East Side. 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:30.399 Yep, by the way. 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:36.799 And I've worked here, I've worked in restaurants, I've worked in makeup stores, I've I've done it all in terms of that. 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.759 Like as a writer, as a creative person, I've had lots of jobs. 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:50.720 And literally, like around the corner, I was in a makeup store for like two years, tiny little store, and people, like you know, rich women would come in and have you do their makeup. 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:55.600 And I do remember, so I would experience like lots of different people and celebrities popping in. 00:13:55.759 --> 00:14:02.799 I remember one time, um, this was when Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, they had kids at the French school here. 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:10.799 And there'd be times where the entire street would be closed down because the paparazzi was there to take pictures of them picking up their kids. 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:20.159 So this was a tiny little store, it's no longer there, but it was a tiny little flagship store that was like, I don't know, a hundred square feet, like the size of a bedroom, right? 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:31.440 And I remember one day I had a couple people that I was helping, and then behind some tourists comes in this woman, like this beautiful, beautiful woman, right? 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:33.519 And I just see her from the side profile. 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:35.120 It's Angelina Jolie. 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:35.519 Shut? 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:37.440 Yes, it's Angelina Jolie. 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:38.879 Nobody notices, right? 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:40.399 She has a pair of glasses on. 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:45.919 Not one person noticed that Angela, Angelina Jolie floated into the store except me. 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:47.360 So I'm noticing it. 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:48.879 I'm kind of like going crazy. 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:55.039 I'm like looking around because I want to like lock the door and be like, Angelina, just take your time, do whatever you want. 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:56.159 This is your haven. 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:56.320 Yeah. 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:01.279 So she literally like floats in, she opens up with like a bath oil, she's smelling it. 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:06.159 And then um, I'm trying to

get my boss's attention because I knew he would go crazy too. 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.360 He's like a campy kind of gay guy or whatever, doing makeup on somebody. 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.279 And I'm like looking over him, and he's not like nobody is noticing. 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:14.960 It's the wildest thing. 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.720 And um I'm there's I'm helping somebody, right? 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:19.759 I'm trying to get rid of him. 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:23.679 I'm just like, here, after stuff, because I want to talk to Anne and Juliana. 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:31.840 And then like some tourists come in right after her, and then she got spooked, and then like she, you know, like a rare bird like landed and floats away. 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:35.279 And so, you know, I would work in situations like that. 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:38.480 So I would see all these kinds of ladies. 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:52.559 And um, I also remember what so the Upper Eastside Spitter that you had mentioned is based off of a real character who was a homeless woman who had divorced a very successful man at some point. 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.399 Like a real New York or Upper East Side fixture in society in order. 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:02.879 And she would target and like spit on sort of like moms and their kids, right? 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:03.679 It's insane. 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:04.720 So there was that. 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:10.559 So that was always in my head because I had read that story somewhere, and it just is something that just got stuck in my brain. 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:17.039 And then one day, working at that makeup store, a woman came in who I'd seen walking by a lot. 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:24.720 She was sitting in the makeup chair, and she there, she was having some sort of psychological break of some kind, and she started spitting. 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:26.879 And I was like, oh no, no, no. 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:27.360 No, no. 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:36.240 No, so I tapped out and my the manager he started doing it, and then she started spitting more in like bubbles or whatever, right? 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:38.159 So it was it was really bad. 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:47.200 But the point is, is that um he had her information because it was one of those kind of old-fashioned um, you know, clientele type makeup stores. 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:52.080 So he ended up like calling her husband who came and kind of like swept her away. 00:16:52.320 --> 00:17:01.600 So it's that idea of all kinds of wild things can go on, um, and things get swept under the rug if you're rich enough. 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:08.960 And that idea of poor people are crazy, but like crazy rich people are eccentric, that sort of thing. 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:18.079 So when I sat down to write it, it was a lot of those kinds of ideas and stories and characters that kind of colored the characters in the book. 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:24.559 Well, I Emily and I, we

have such a deep love affair for New York and especially the Upper East Side. 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:26.319 I've never lived up here, she did for many years. 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.200 And I it just when I'm up here, I do feel like I'm in New York. 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:29.599 Yes. 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:30.240 You know what I mean? 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:30.559 Yeah. 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:32.720 Where did your love affair with New York begin? 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.599 Um, well, I I'm from Florida originally. 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:37.440 I grew up like in the suburbs of Tampa. 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:38.799 What Emily's from Orlando. 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:40.319 Oh my god, I wish she was here. 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:50.400 Yeah, so definitely like Florida, and just as like a young gay kid, TV, movies, books, all that stuff was so important to me. 00:17:50.640 --> 00:18:02.559 And one thing that I like it, I'm not original in this, but sex in the city, of course, you know, was highly influential to me and was probably the reason why I wanted to move here, like so many people. 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:06.880 Yeah, and so much of early Sex in the City is centered on the Upper East Side. 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:07.440 Yes. 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:12.160 So I was always aware of the Upper East Side and interested in it. 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:13.839 And I worked here a lot. 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:19.200 And yeah, I just always wanted to live in New York and you know, you didn't. 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:20.160 How long have you been here now? 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:21.279 Like 20 years. 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:21.920 Damn. 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:24.160 Have you always been on the upper west side or were you here? 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:28.079 I've popped around, but it I was mostly on the upper upper west side. 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:28.319 Yeah. 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:28.720 Nice. 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:29.759 I love the upper west side. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.839 So that's like when I'm a fully actualized person, I will move up there. 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:35.039 I'm not actualized yet. 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:37.599 I'm still a moldable clay. 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.880 So why zombies as a horror fan? 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:42.000 Why not another thing? 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:48.000 Well, I already have a really good vampire idea and a very good werewolf idea. 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:48.799 Fabulous. 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:55.359 So, as a horror writer, as like a horror comedy writer, I knew that I wanted something from like each box. 00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:01.519 And so when it came to zombies, I think at the time it was like The Walking Dead that I was watching a lot of. 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:02.000 Oh, yeah. 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:07.440 And I liked The Walking Dead, and I liked the horror aspect of it, and it's like legitimately scary. 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:08.799 That's not my style. 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:10.480 I write with a sense

of humor. 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:18.880 And so when I was thinking of zombies, I'm like, how could I write like a zombie, a zombie book that would fit what I write? 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:26.319 And I I don't know exactly how I decided that I was gonna populate it with these kinds of like upreast side ladies. 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:26.640 Yes. 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:44.480 But I did, and I the idea just kind of like popped into my head, and it I you know, I started working on I had other ideas, but then when this idea popped up and then the character of Charmaine Starling, yes, it just started writing itself, and then I would it got to the point where I was like, no, I have to write this. 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:45.920 Yes, and so yeah. 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:46.960 Incredible. 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:52.319 What are some of your favorite um comedy horror influences? 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:58.079 Well, I really like you know, Sean of the Dead was it's one of the best ones there is. 00:19:58.240 --> 00:19:59.920 It's incredible, it's so good. 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:07.680 Um, I really liked uh what we do in the shadows, like before the TV show came out, the actual documentary is just brilliant. 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:14.319 And then um Buffy the Vampire Slayer, of course, is like hugely you know influential to me. 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.559 Um, but I've always gravitated to horror with a sense of humor, though. 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:24.160 I don't like I don't like things that are bleak necessarily, like I definitely want an escape. 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:25.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:34.000 Well, you know, it's been said 10 million times in different ways that comedy and horror are so intrinsically linked simply because of the sense of timing. 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:41.039 Yeah, and laughing and screaming are both like expulsions of emotion that you cannot control. 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:42.000 Yeah, you know what I mean? 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:49.759 So I think I love horror, but I really love like a sense of humor in obsession, Indy Navarette. 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:57.839 I believe I cannot wait to see what her career becomes because I do think she in that movie showed incredible skills. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:58.559 Oh, for sure. 00:20:58.720 --> 00:20:59.200 You know what I mean? 00:20:59.279 --> 00:20:59.440 Yeah. 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:00.799 This is gonna be a hard pivot. 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:02.079 I want to talk about your cat. 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:03.599 I which one? 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:05.440 I don't understand cats. 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:06.000 Okay. 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:08.000 As a concept, as a pet. 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.119 Sell me on cats and know that I'm deeply allergic. 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:11.680 Okay. 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:19.200 Well, that's why you haven't had the experience because there's something like physical keeping you away from it. 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:19.759 Yes. 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:21.440 Um, I love cats. 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:23.440 You have to earn a cat's love. 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:24.640 I like dogs as well. 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:27.039 I'm an animal person, I'm plant-based. 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:31.599 Um, but I I think I'm kind of cat-ish. 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:32.160 Yeah. 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.119 Like I feel like you have to earn my affection as well. 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:37.279 I know by the end of this, I earned your affection. 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:44.559 So I I understand that with cats, and I'm not I'm okay with somebody kind of being difficult. 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:49.759 Like I like complicated people, I like complicated characters, I like complicated cats. 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:53.599 I love I love complicated cats. 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:54.160 Yeah. 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:54.960 Wow. 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:56.720 Yeah, I just don't get them. 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:01.359 I think because I'm I'm probably more like Cat than I want to think I am. 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:02.400 I think you might be. 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:03.440 I think so. 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:06.400 I'm a tough nut to crack. 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:07.680 It's been like 10 minutes. 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:08.799 I think you might be. 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:09.839 What about it? 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:10.559 No, that's good. 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:11.039 Okay, great. 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:13.440 Cat sees cat. 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:15.519 Sees cat. 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:16.559 I love that. 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:18.559 I want to ask you about your obsession. 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:21.680 What is one word you would use to tease me before we go to commercial break? 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:23.759 I'm gonna make it two words because it's a name. 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:24.480 Go for it. 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:26.079 Sydney Rutledge. 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:27.759 Honestly, I have no clue what that is. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:28.240 Okay. 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:29.279 Yes, I do. 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:30.319 No, I don't. 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:31.279 We'll be right back. 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:31.839 Okay. 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:36.559 We're back. 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:37.839 Jason Zephyr. 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:40.799 You teased me with Sydney who? 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:41.759 Rutledge. 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:45.200 So immediately I thought scream because that's Sydney Prescott. 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:45.599 Yes. 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.319 Tell me who you're obsessed with and then who Sydney Rutledge is. 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.839 I'm obsessed with Sarah Michelle Geller. 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:53.119 Let's go. 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:53.599 Yes. 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:54.160 Yes. 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:56.960 Okay, so I love Sarah Michelle Geller. 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:04.880 And when you say Sarah Michelle Geller, the first thing that comes to mind is Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:06.880 It's my favorite TV show of all time. 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:07.359 Wow. 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:10.640 I have just launched my own podcast called Slay Replay. 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:11.440 Congratulations. 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:12.000 Thank you. 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:16.240 I'm centering it on a Buffy rewatch from episode one. 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:21.599 It's also horror and pop culture and whatever I'm into because Slay is not just like horror. 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:22.480 It can be gay stuff. 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:22.640 Yeah. 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:23.680 It can be campy stuff. 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:24.799 Now my obsession. 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:29.279 And the two very much come like camp and horror are so intrinsically linked. 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:30.240 Absolutely. 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:36.720 And so my obsession with Sarah Michelle Geller happened way before Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:37.039 Okay. 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.920 Before Buffy, and I'm aging myself, but whatever. 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:45.359 Before Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Sarah Michelle Geller was on a soap opera called All My Children. 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:45.759 Yes. 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.039 She played Erica King's illegitimate daughter named Kendall. 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:49.440 Okay. 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:49.920 Okay. 00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:55.279 I was obsessed with Sarah Michelle Geller before she played Kendall Hart and All My Children. 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:56.400 What was before? 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:08.240 Before that was a Teen, not even Teen, a pre-teen soap opera called Swan's Crossing, where Sarah Michelle Geller played the mayor's daughter, Sidney Rutledge. 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:11.039 She came on the screen. 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.599 She was perfect from the start. 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:14.079 Yeah. 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:16.319 And I have loved her ever since. 00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:18.799 Now, this show only lasted one summer. 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:21.119 It was a daily, like half-hour soap opera. 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:22.480 I was obsessed. 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:30.400 I remember I was a very little kid, but um I remember just being obsessed with it, obsessed. 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:32.720 And I would run home from school. 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:37.039 It was during the summer, I was like in some, I think like a Christian camp or something. 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:38.799 I don't know, but I would run home from school. 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:43.920 I think it came in at like four o'clock, and I was obsessed with her storyline. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.799 She was like the main character, kind of like a bitchy rich girl. 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:47.200 Yep. 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:52.240 Um, it was definitely shades of you know, Catherine and cruel intentions. 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:53.039 Yes. 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.880 And it ended on a cliffhanger, and we never found out what happened. 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:00.160 And the cliffhanger is something I still think about to this day. 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:02.640 And we're talking like 30 years, okay. 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.039 30 years, which is definitely aging myself, but I was I was an infant. 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:07.599 Yeah, of course. 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:08.079 Infant. 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:08.799 You're 32. 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:09.839 Yes, infant. 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.960 I was a two-year-old, I was a toddler in Christian camp. 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:14.079 I was a toddler. 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:15.279 I had my bottle. 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.720 I was like, turn the TV on, Swan's Crossing. 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:20.240 What channel was this on? 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:22.480 It was a syndicated kind of okay. 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:23.839 So it's like broadcast television. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:24.240 Yeah. 00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:25.920 So I I'm not sure. 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.880 It's probably like on Fox or something, but it was a syndicated show. 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:33.039 So I think it was on different networks depending on like whatever area it was. 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:35.039 I have never heard of this, right? 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:39.519 Well, there are definitely people that talk about it, like on Reddit and stuff. 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.200 Um, I love it. 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:51.359 I definitely I'm probably gonna go into it on Instagram a little bit too, because I also do like a SMG Saturday where I'm kind of like focusing on her other stuff besides Buffy. 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.279 Yeah, um, yeah, but there was a storyline. 00:25:55.680 --> 00:26:00.160 She was an only child and her mom was the mayor and she was very rich. 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:04.960 She got drove around in like a Bentley by some driver. 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.519 She had that antique phone, you know. 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:15.440 No, well, the no, I think she had a car phone, but she also had an antique phone in her bedroom that kind of, you know, the yes, the rotary phone. 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:17.680 Yeah, but the fancy yes. 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:20.000 Um, yes. 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:23.279 And uh Mira Sorvino actually was in that show too. 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:23.759 Stop. 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:33.839 Yes, Mira Sorvina, uh Sorvino, um, somebody that she would star in in All My Children who played Garrett, he was in that as well. 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:45.279 Now, the storyline that I come back to in the cliffhanger was that there was the possibility that Sarah Michelle Geller's character had been switched at birth, right? 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:50.240 And the the person that she had been switched at birth was from the wrong side of the track. 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:51.920 She was like the poor girl, right? 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:57.039 She was the poor girl with like six brothers and sisters, and that's where we landed.

00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:00.480 And I still don't know if she was switched at birth. 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:01.839 I'd like to know. 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:03.200 Who wrote this? 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:04.319 I have no idea. 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:14.160 I think this is a brilliant idea to, for some charity, whatever, reunite people and do like a spec script just to wrap up the story and a reading. 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:19.839 Yeah, and Sarah Michelle Geller, she has talked about this show and she has uh an affection for it as well. 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:23.839 So admittedly, I don't know much about Sarah Michelle Geller. 00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:24.319 Buffy. 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:25.279 I know everything. 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.079 So Buffy, I never watched. 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:28.799 Oh my god. 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:29.279 I know. 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:29.839 Oh my god. 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:30.960 What are you doing? 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:32.240 I'm waiting for it to find me. 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.240 There's gonna be a moment, and I know it'll find me. 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:35.440 It needs to find you. 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:36.799 It needs to find you now. 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:37.920 I'll start this weekend. 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:39.920 You're so lucky you get to watch this for the first time. 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.319 Well, I'll go on your pod and re watch an episode. 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:42.720 Yes, yes. 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:43.440 I'd love that. 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:44.240 That'd be so fun. 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:45.119 You're so lucky. 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.039 I wish I could watch it for the first time. 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:47.680 You're so lucky. 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:48.400 Yeah, let's do it. 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:49.920 Uh, that'll be a really good time. 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:51.279 Uh, it's streaming, I assume. 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:51.680 Yes. 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:52.319 Okay, great. 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:53.920 But I love her. 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.200 I mean, her performance in Ready Or Not 2 is incredible. 00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:57.680 Yes. 00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:58.400 So good. 00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.119 Uh, Cruel Intentions, absolutely amazing. 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:01.440 Yeah. 00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:03.200 Oh, and of course, Scooby-Doo. 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:03.519 Yeah. 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.880 That was actually, I think that may have been the first moment I was like, who is that? 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:07.200 Yeah. 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.839 Like I remember being in the theater and just being like a de I loved Scooby-Doo and Daphne. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.440 I was like, that's me. 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:13.759 Yeah. 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:16.880 And I think her and like, I was like, that is Daphne. 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:17.920 Like when she did that. 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.200 That performance is actually so incredibly underrated. 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:21.519 Yeah. 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:26.240 And I also love, and there's a real scrappiness to her. 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:26.559 Oh, yeah. 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:27.200 I think. 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:29.440 And it's probably from being a child actress. 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.559 Um, and she takes no bullshit. 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:37.519 We've had her on Watch What Happens Live a few times, and like she goes to toe-to-toe with Andy in a fun way. 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.759 You know, like it's not like a it's not a um combative moment. 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:46.960 It's like a she wants, she doesn't want anything she says to be misconstrued. 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:51.279 Like she really holds down, she stands 10 toes down in everything. 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:52.880 And that's what I really appreciate about. 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.599 Yeah, I feel like to have lasted as long as she has, you have to be tough. 00:28:57.759 --> 00:28:59.519 Like there's got to be a grit to you. 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.440 And she, I feel like she's a very underappreciated person. 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.599 Um, she has like a huge fan base, she has a huge fan base. 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:16.400 So I was happy like that she was put in ready or not, because also I think that they're big fans of her as well, the writer directors. 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.799 But she's also dealt with a lot of stuff. 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.960 Like I remember, um, so The Grudge came out, right? 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:29.279 And the grudge at the time that yes, at the time that the grudge came out, it was after Buffy had ended, right? 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:33.440 But it was like a year or so after Buffy ended, and people were missing her. 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:33.759 Okay. 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:42.720 At the time that that came out, that was something like the second or third highest grossing opening for a female-led movie ever. 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:43.279 Okay. 00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:47.680 Now, after that movie, she should have had every script. 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.559 She should have had every script, right? 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:56.960 But people have always sort of underappreciated her, partly because she kind of came from horror and soap operas and things like that. 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:08.079 Now, when that movie came out, the the agency that she had at that time, the head of that agency had made a disparaging comment about her. 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:13.519 Somebody had asked him about, you know, what does he think about you know this movie being so huge? 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:18.240 And he had said something about like, oh, I guess we're in the Sarah Michelle Giller business or something. 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.079 Like he he discounted the fact that she she did that. 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.359 That wasn't the movie. 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:24.400 I mean, it was her. 00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:32.880 That's that's it was like a uh if I

remember correctly, it was like a$38 million opening in like 2004 or whatever it was. 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:35.920 And she fired her representation after that. 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:36.559 Good for her. 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:37.359 She fired them. 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:46.000 Well, Hollywood would love to find any excuse uh for the success of something uh uh besides the actual reason. 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:46.799 You know what I mean? 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:53.519 Like if a um if there's a movie centered around women that does well, they're like, oh, it's an anomaly. 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.880 Like, you know, they will find any excuse to not make it about women. 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:06.480 If a movie that's is centered around like blackness or something, and that movie does well, they'll be like, nope, it was it was, you know, the stars just aligned for this film. 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:11.039 And it's like, well, no, there are audiences for them. 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:11.440 Yeah. 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.960 Um, what do you think happened to the Buffy reboot? 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.119 Um, I think it's similar. 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.359 I think that a man was in charge. 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:20.160 We know who it is. 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:21.119 Just come out. 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:21.519 Yep. 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.680 A man was in charge who didn't get it. 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.319 Like he didn't get Buffy, he didn't watch Buffy. 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.200 And why was he in charge of this? 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:29.599 Right. 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.599 First of all, it doesn't even financially make sense why they didn't. 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:35.359 You have the IP. 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:38.000 They have the IP, but it was Chloe's out. 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:46.559 Literally, the the weekend that they said that it wasn't going, her her actress in the movie won Best Actress at the Oscars. 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:52.079 So she won that she led her actress to a Best Actress win. 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.119 And that was the week that Ready or Not 2 came out. 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:56.960 Sarah Michel Glor's everywhere. 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:58.319 Everybody's loving her. 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:03.359 For like a year from the announcement of the Buffy reboot, it was constantly in the news. 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.319 It received so much uh promotion and praise, and people were so excited. 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:13.440 More excited over most of what's on TV right now and reboot culture. 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:22.079 Like there, I mean, we have the girls reboot, which I'm very excited about, but there were just a few reboots announced, and a lot of them I was like, but why like Fraser? 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:23.680 Why are we rebooting Fraser? 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.440 Well, Hulu also did the Malcolm in the Middle reboot thing. 00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:28.000 Oh, yes. 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.319 And I'm like, uh, who's asking for that? 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:31.279 No offense to them. 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:38.400 There, it was a good show and everything, but people wanted the Buffy reboot for years, and it was in very good hands. 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:40.559 And so it just doesn't make sense. 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:51.519 I also, though, I think one of the mistakes for Sarah and Chloe Zow, I don't know why it was a pilot order in the first place. 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:52.000 Right. 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.079 Pilot is for something brand new. 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:55.680 You already know what this is. 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.519 I feel like a script alone should have been enough to get the series order. 00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:01.839 Um I think that's maybe just Hulu's model. 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.160 There it doesn't, whatever. 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:05.519 Uh it doesn't really work. 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:12.240 Um, I would like to talk a little bit about stan culture because we've had someone on who's their obsession was about stan culture. 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:16.160 And my version of Sarah Michelle Geller is Amy Adams. 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:25.920 When I first saw Drop Dead Gorgeous, and she did her film Amy Adams made her film day video in that movie, and she has a very small part in it. 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.079 I was like, that's my girl. 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.200 Like I immediately was like, I don't know what that girl has it. 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.799 And then she went away and then came back for June bug. 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:41.279 Um why do how can you explain queerness and stan culture? 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:49.119 Because it feels like every gay guy either has a pop star or a movie actress, a movie star that they just will not shut up about. 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.279 What so I'll equate it to me and what my experience is. 00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:04.160 So for me, as like a young gay kid in the suburbs of you know Florida and the 90s, that wasn't like a great time to be. 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:17.519 And so I I would get fixated and on TV or movies, and uh I would get obsessed because I also feel like you need those things in order to survive sometimes. 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:43.519 Absolutely, it provides levity, and yeah, so I just get would get super attached to people and uh and it's not just that, she just happened to do a few things that really resonated with me, and she was picking characters that really resonated with me because she also uh I love women, and she'd play like these, you know, smart, um uh complicated characters, and I just I just gravitated towards her. 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:44.079 Yeah. 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:57.920 Yeah, I think uh they find you at a certain moment, and there's a you know, the uh people that I think especially Gaiman stan, they usually have like a little bit of an edge to them. 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.760 You know, there's a little roughness around the

corner, around the edges in a certain way. 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:12.239 I think that that is also is it's the characters and the people that you get gravitate towards who are strong and they have a voice when maybe you didn't have a voice. 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:13.599 Jason, that's beautiful. 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.039 I think that's very, very true. 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.599 And I think that's why, again, have not watched Buffy. 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.320 Stay tuned for uh my appearance. 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:44.000 Um I think that's why a lot of gay men connect to that because from what I in my 35 years of life and just absorbing what Buffy is through that osmosis, yeah, it's about high school, it's about feeling out of place and trying to find your purpose against good versus evil, which like as a gay teenager, uh that's all I want. 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:48.960 Like I just wish I had a purpose and I wish that good would prevail over bad constantly. 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:59.679 So I think that probably cemented her in a lot of gay men's lives around our age, yeah, as their icon, their white whale, you know what I mean? 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:00.719 Yeah, for sure. 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.559 Yeah, because I I definitely agree with you. 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.320 Where do you think her career should go? 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.480 If you were her manager, what would you cast her in? 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:11.679 I know what I would cast her in. 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:21.360 If I were to put her in something, I think what makes the most sense and something that would be juicy for her is that Ryan Murphy needs to get her own American Horror Story. 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:21.920 Whoa. 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.480 It's like, why has that not happened yet? 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:35.519 I know that like many, many years ago when American Horror Story was first starting, people somebody had asked Sarah Michael Guller about it, and she did make a comment about that they work a lot. 00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:39.519 So it makes me wonder if there had been some discussion at some point. 00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:39.840 Yeah. 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:53.920 And her kids were very little at that time, and I know that she purposely had taken some time off, but she's working more now, and I feel like he could give her like a really good, you know, that's a great splashy part. 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:54.880 That's a great idea. 00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:58.719 Oh, oh, oh, you know the connection between Amy Adams and Sarah Michigell. 00:36:58.880 --> 00:36:59.280 Okay, let me think. 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.119 Am I am I gonna educate you on this? 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:02.000 You don't know this? 00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:02.800 I don't think so. 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:03.519 Oh my god. 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:05.280 Were they doing something together? 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:06.559 Kind of. 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.519 You don't know what I'm gonna about to tell what I'm about to tell you? 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.199 I have no clue. 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:12.159 Okay. 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:13.920 I'm gonna feel like such a dope. 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:19.840 All right, after Cruel Intentions came out, Amy Adams was in the TV adaptation playing Catherine. 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:20.320 Yes. 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.480 Yes, yes, I did know that. 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:30.000 And she did an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer where she played Tara's racist like cousin. 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.360 I'm gonna look right in the camera. 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:36.320 If you guys told me Amy Adams was on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I would have watched it 10 million times by now. 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:43.280 She's in like the fifth season in one episode, fine, but um, like a bitchy kind of like racist character. 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:44.079 Fabulous. 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:50.400 Because it was that period of time where you know Amy Adams was like finding her footing. 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:50.559 Yeah. 00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:52.800 She was doing like guest spots and lots of things. 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:58.719 Well, I don't want to wait five seasons to be on your podcast to talk about that episode, so we'll do it now and then we'll come back for that episode. 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:00.320 Wow. 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.679 That's that's a threat I would not have put together. 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:04.159 Yeah. 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:06.880 I have some M queries, questions from Emily. 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:07.679 Where'd you get it? 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:08.480 How many people were in your coffee? 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:09.280 How long did that jack? 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.159 But was she favorite? 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:13.519 What are you obsessed with? 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:17.920 If Buffy was a New Yorker, what is Buffy's favorite coffee shop? 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:19.440 I'm gonna say Starbucks. 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.559 I know that's I know that's basic, but Buffy's busy. 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.719 They got they got a Starbucks everywhere. 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:25.440 Yeah, yeah. 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:34.719 And in I'm sorry to go off topic, but in the the reboot, the end of the reboot script was that Buffy is like an insurance adjuster in New York City. 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:39.199 She's not in it till the very end, according to Reddit and according to everybody that says it. 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:47.920 And she's getting um insurance claims in Sunnydale because people are dying and a lot of lot is going on in New Sunnydale, which brings her back, which is brilliant, by the way. 00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:48.719 That's brilliant. 00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:49.360 That's brilliant. 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:49.920 Brilliant. 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:50.559 Okay, sorry. 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.119 Where would Spike take Buffy for a date night? 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:54.800 Well,

he doesn't eat. 00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.639 So I'm thinking he'd probably like they go for a walk or something. 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.960 Where would Angel take Buffy for a date night? 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:02.239 He also funny. 00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:04.000 He also doesn't eat. 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:13.199 Um, so uh I'm gonna say like um Italian, like car mines. 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.480 Because Buffy eats, but he has to keep her strength up. 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:19.519 She's got a lot to do. 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.719 We're running out of time, but I want to do a lightning round to get your takes on some more hot topics. 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:23.039 Okay. 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:24.880 Simply tell me if you're obsessed or over it. 00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:26.000 Black Friday. 00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:26.719 Over it. 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:30.239 Gift bags, obsessed, being cool. 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:31.119 Over it. 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:32.880 Deep plane facelifts. 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:34.000 Obsessed. 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:35.199 Meredith Marks. 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:35.519 Yes. 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.119 Pre-war buildings. 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:38.079 Obsessed. 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.679 Socks with loafers. 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:40.480 Over it. 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:42.800 Limited series getting second seasons. 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:43.679 Obsessed. 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.199 The sixth train. 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:46.320 Over it. 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:48.960 The plaza shutting down for four years. 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:49.920 Over it. 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:50.719 Twitter alt. 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:52.000 Over it. 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:53.360 Final question. 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:54.639 Are you obsessed with me? 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:55.519 I'm obsessed with you. 00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.360 Jason, this was so fun. 00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:58.159 I had so much fun. 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.719 I love just like queening out about actresses with someone. 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.800 So I'm very glad that Julia told me to really bite into it. 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:06.159 This was so fun. 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:12.000 Tell our listeners and watchers where they can follow you and where they can pick up your book, Zombies of the Upper East Side. 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:16.800 At Jason Zephyr on uh Instagram, Z-E-F-F-I-R. 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:18.880 My book is available everywhere online. 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.000 It's going to be in stores shortly, but every bookstore can order it. 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.239 So just go to your local bookstore. 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.400 We will have a bookshop link in our description of the audio and video. 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:28.800 Yes. 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.039 So everybody can order it wherever you go. 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:37.280 Um, go to leave a review wherever you bought it, and please leave a review on Goodreads. 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:38.159 That's really important. 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.800 And my podcast is Slay Replay, available everywhere that you listen to podcasts. 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:43.840 Amazing. 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.320 Oh, I feel like this is a fabulous friendship we just started. 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:46.960 Yes, for sure. 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:47.440 Oh my God. 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:48.159 Thank you so much for watching. 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:49.199 Thank you, Jason. 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.639 I want to thank everyone for listening and watching this episode. 00:40:52.800 --> 00:41:05.920 If you liked the conversation about stan culture, go back to one of our very early episodes with Destiny Blackwell, where we talk about Club Chalamet and what it means to be a stan account nowadays and like really love someone in pop culture. 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:11.119 I also recommend you listen to our episode with Casey Elsass, his obsession with sex in the city. 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:16.159 And obviously, there's just a through line between the Upper East Side and that show. 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.320 That was such a fun episode to record. 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.280 Check them out. 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:20.480 Thanks for tuning in. 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:21.760 Are you obsessed with us? 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.760 Please like, comment, and subscribe. 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:24.719 Bye. 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:35.519 Yes. 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:38.719 I am.