บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Multiple #1 Hits Without a Record Label?! | Sean Green of Behold the Beloved

what the right answers and process of writing is, I think we've gotten to a good part just sitting back and being like, This is your gift. And this is the gift that God has given to you. We can all play our instruments and do our things on stage, but then there's the things off stage that we need to know or weaknesses and gifts and strengths and that is his. Okay, who's the funniest member of the Wilder Beloved? Okay. All right. So if it's not you. Okay. I would normally say Sheldon is is really funny and laid back and we like to jerk around, but I would have to say Jeff. I know. Which is wild for me. It's wild. It is wild. And I think and if you're in the band, you know, we have the same vision, we have the same goal. I think we're both leadership mentality. So we butt heads a lot. Okay. But in a loving, brotherly manner. it's never like I hate you. It's just like well, can't you just listen to me? it's But why can't you listen to me? Yeah. Yeah. So when he says something funny or quirky, it's at a left field. Yeah. And so it catches you off guard, which makes it even more hilarious. Because I find him quite serious a lot of times. He's like serious, but not like a strict serious. He will never talk about something random. Like if you're like, let's talk about you're like, why? Yeah. he's not out like that. like a spontaneity of something like that. But out of nowhere, if we're talking about something or he just something funny pops in his head and he says it, it comes out of left field. Yeah. And you're like, What? And it makes you laugh harder than if you're just hanging out with other people. Okay. So you. But also Jeff. But it's like me. Okay. What's the weirdest thing you've experienced while traveling for a show? Do you know when you don't get enough sleep? Okay. So you have that second wind, you're like, I can keep going. Mm-hmm. There is a third wind that I found on the road. We had a show in wet Wisconsin. Okay. And we had to be at our next show the next day in Michigan, around a 10 hour drive, because you have to go around the water. Yeah. Geographically challenged right here. But I do know it goes like this. you can't go you just can't go straight across. But yeah, we were driving out of Wisconsin and Jason's like, I'm like, Hey, let's sleep. He goes, I feel great. I can put in a good three or four hours. When you say let's sleep, you're just gonna sleep in the bus. Yeah. Without a driving. Right. Okay. Let's just stay here. Yeah. Let's sleep for four hours. Yeah. A four hour sleep is really good. And then get up and drive. Yeah. But no, they're like, We this is why we have a bus. Yeah. So we can drive through the night. And you're like, whatever. Okay. It was one thirty. We started driving. Now it's almost 2:30 and he goes, Yeah, just getting a little tired. And it's been an hour. What are we doing? And so I don't trust anybody else. I was like, Well, I can take over. Yeah. I took like an hour nap, I guess. Yeah. And so I started driving. And then I just kept driving. And I'm like, nobody else is gonna wake up. Yeah. I don't trust anybody right now. Yeah. I'm going and I'm going and I'm going. I'm getting tired, but then I'm like, second wind, go, go, go. And so the sun comes up. We're about two hours out. We had another band in our bus that we were taking with us. And one of those guys came up to say, he's like, Hey, good morning. I'm like, is it? Yeah, it's good because I'm driving. Yeah. And then I don't know what came over me. This third wind that I'm talking about, it's where you're loud. Yeah. You're just talking loud and you're giggling. Yeah. And that was me. I'm just like, Yeah. Talking with them like and just like laughing at the dumbest things. I'm finding road signs. I'm finding Billboards of the random just laughing at it. Then we got there and the guys woke up and he goes, Man, you're so loud. I'm like, bro, don't even so we parked and I was like, You guys can set up tonight. I'm gonna sleep. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. It's the rock star life, huh? Yeah. I guess it's the rock star life. It's so great. One AM sounds terrible to me. It is I'm like nine PM. I'm crawling into my bed to play my switch. Yeah. It it's hard because like mentally it's hard because there's people who stay after who want to like like sometimes our line is an hour, two hours of people just wanna like encourage us. And I don't want to be that like zombie that's just like after this, I just like mm hmm. And so like to physically and and like mentally just be totally present. Yeah. That just feels like that's more draining. I mean, this is the life that like feel like God has given me. Yeah. If you could collaborate with any artist, dead or alive, who would it be? Career wise and everything, I think John Cooper skillet would be sick. Okay. There are people that we will collaborate with on this next record that's that I'm excited for. But like Cutless was one of those ones that I c I couldn't believe and I'm glad that we got to do that. What's one song that you sing that actually means the most to you? Maybe it's not your favorite, but it meant something to you. Our number one song is a song that probably lyrically means the most of my life is Playing with Fire. my life for the longest time. Even after knowing who God was, there's always the temptations of sin. And so like thinking that you're untouchable, like when you get comfy and thinking, I like just a little thing won't hurt my life. And then like the enemy like engulfs you in this flame. And so we wrote the song how like playing with fire to not like get close to that, to just look away from it. And then when you're in it, to know that you don't have to stay there. Yeah. and we have the lyric line basically crying out to God, can you hear my cry? I just wanna feel alive. All my selfish desires have got me playing fire. So it's like getting to that point be like, I don't want to live the life that I'm living anymore. Yeah. And so that

when we wrote that song, for me I was just like, This is my life story as a as a child. yeah, in schools with drugs, with alcohol, with with partying, all those things, it's like I could see the person I wanted to be, but for some reason I could never be that person because of the things I couldn't just let go of. Yeah. And then to see how that song got so popular because so many people saw those lyrics and then be like, That's me. Like I don't wanna be where I am right now. Yeah. And I need something to change and I need God to save me here. It's like telling people like God is always there for you and He's never gonna leave you, He's never tossed you away, He's never forgotten you. But You do have to turn to him and make that first step and cry to and just be like, I wanna be alive. can you take this from me? Yeah. That's one of my favorite songs that that we wrote. Yeah. Yeah. That's so cool. Thanks for sharing. I know sometimes they can get a little bit vulnerable, when you're sharing those parts of it. But I appreciate that you let me go there with you. no, no, no. Absolutely. That's that's the the fun of being a musician and being what we do. we don't just right words like that's it's true life experiences, Yeah. What is something in your life right now, and it can be music, but it doesn't have to be, that you love nerding out about? I'm nerding on Formula One right now. Okay. And Pokemon cards. Okay. Which okay, Formula One's a little bit off brand for me for you. Okay. But Pokemon cards, absolutely. man. Okay. So tell me about it. Okay. So I grew up with it. So I'm nostalgic. So Pokemon cards, that came out when I was a kid. Yeah. Now that it's back and it's like huge and all this and I was like, maybe my kid will start doing that. Yeah. And we can go out to shows together and collect cards. He doesn't give a rip about about about going to shows and getting cards. And I'm like, but the cool thing is, Helly, my wife, yeah, she's like, I'll just collect cute cards and now she's all in. yay. So it's it's almost like little date days. We have a wagon and we put Luke in it. He has this Nintendo Switch and we pull him through and we're like scavenger hunting, just looking for artwork. On cards that we love. And I love that it's like leaked into her. Yeah. And she's like all about it. Yeah. I didn't give her a choice. Yeah. No, no, I did. I did. I did. It was do this or not. Yeah. It was like we could do both of this. We gotta control it because I don't make a lot of money. So unless it's like a control instrument. Yeah. Okay. So Formula One. Yeah. All right. So tell me about I'm not a NASCAR guy. If you're a NASCAR person, I don't have anything against you. To me, it's too long. It's too boring. I watched it a couple of times. So Formula One. started get popular and it'd be because of Netflix had a series. And I had nothing to do. I like, give this a shot. I've heard a lot about it. And I started watching. I was like, this is cool. And I started watching it. It's like an hour and a half. It's it's fast paced that and you get to hear the drivers talk and it's just so many cool things. And I'm like sold. It's like a soap opera too. So I don't know why it's like not in me to like a sport like this 'cause I grew up on hockey. Yeah. Hockey like sports like that, that's my jam. Yeah. This never in my life would be like, I'm gonna you know, get into Formula One. I don't know what it is. There's magic in it. Yeah. And it's my thing. And I nerd out. I go to work. I'm like, Did you see this? And my guy's like, Nope, don't care. I'm like, you should. I need more friends. I want more people to enjoy the scene. That's so awesome. Okay. Now back to the band. Okay. You guys have how many albums? We have three full records. We have an acoustic EP and we just released our instrumental record. What was the White flag album. No surrender. No surrender. That record you guys recorded and then did you go to Nashville to record that album? No. So we went to Nashville after that album. Okay, okay, okay, okay. But you helped us a lot with that album. I did. Come on now. You helped us a lot. Yeah. Even prior to that. You've been shooting our band photos for a while. And then you you've helped us with our on cage music video. And you came to cr our first time at Creation, which is Crazy Less I and did video work for us. And then you made promotional videos for us for that record. No surrender record. Yeah. That was awesome. You're amazing. Aw, thank you. Yeah. It's fun. It's fun to hear what you guys are passionate about, but also like the music's it's good music. Like, and I'm a little bit of a snob. I don't like to listen to just mediocre music. I'm right there with you. That's not you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Your no surrender album. I really enjoyed it and I love the artwork of the t-shirts that you guys had gotten done off that album. That was so cool. But then on your newer even I think on that one, cause did Thornwall do Nor No Surrender? Thornwall did all of No Surrender. Yeah. And then it was our next record, Harsh Realities, that we went to Nashville to do some stuff with. Yeah. I'll have to listen to that one more, Harsh Realities. But I heard cause isn't Toxic Lullabies. Toxic Lullabies is That one's fire. But like your voice is so Different. Way different. On all three. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds better every time. Yeah. I I would agree. I would agree. This last one has been totally different because everything here at Rock Lit it's with our producer at the Oranwell Studios. But then we decided to work a little more with some of the disciple guys, Josiah Prince and he's a producer, as well as Andrew Stan. So we went down and we co wrote two songs, which is Toxic and Power Play. Yeah. But she helped us with that as well. And so we wrote co-wrote those and we recorded in Nashville. Yeah. But Nashville and what we try to tell people, especially younger artists, Nashville's like Coca-Cola. you can

get Sam's Club, which tastes just as good as Coca-Cola. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Okay. Not it's not as good. But you know what I mean? It's not like a a huge difference. Sure. We're at I mean we're we're far in our career, but like our producer is incredible. We decided like two songs is cool just to get the experience. But as far as like recording all our instrumentation, We want to keep our guide. Now, what we did though is in harsh realities, I went back to Nashville and we recorded all my vocals with Josiah. Okay, nice. Just because our producer is great what he does, but he's not a vocalist. Sure. And Josiah Prince is a vocalist. And he opened a whole new world in my range and my voice and my tones and just the mannerisms and songs and to putting more emotion, but then like my range. It's like he did. Two sessions with me and then he knew my voice better than I did. We found the formula of recording on inspiration here with our producer and for the future, ship me off to Nashville and and do it there for vocals. That's so cool. What would be your favorite album out of the three you guys have done? You can't pick an instrumental. yeah, I I think harsh realities. This this one is probably my favorite. Yeah. Okay. So what then is your favorite song from that album? Or it could just be your favorite song in general. That's tough. I would probably say off harsh realities, am I broken with and we had John Micah Somerell from Cutless sing on it. that's cool. It was a big song that talks about uncertainty of why we go through maybe sicknesses and all these things and never knowing is it something I'm doing wrong in life? Is g God punish me? Is it an attack from the enemy? And just not understanding and letting people know it's okay to ask God questions like why. And even in the writing process, which I hate writing process, but this one is in deep just because of if if you know any of my story, being married to Kelly, so many things she's gone through in life and not knowing why she has to go through certain medical issues. And this song just really spoke to her because sh there's so many times she'll go to the hospital and they're like, Well, you're fine. She's like, I'm not fine. Yeah. So the song really like the whole process resonated and and so once we got it done and we just found a lot of people then resonated with that song. So it meant a lot to me, but The song itself, I feel like as a overall song sounds really beautiful too as well. And thanks for sharing. Yeah. I know sometimes when you sing it on stage it's different, but the meanings behind it I think add a different layer. Yeah, it lets people know that they're not alone in what they're going through. Yeah, for sure. Do you have anything else in the works? Yes. So we just You don't have to you yes is fine. Okay Well no I I w I won't go too far normally how our our touring season goes is we normally start up around March cool and we go to November. Okay. And then we kinda take the next three

months, four months sometimes to spend time with family and to not book anything. These past two years have been totally different for us because we've grown so big that we now have our own Patreon. So like every month we we're generating content. We have to keep up with that because we love the people who support us and we wanna we don't want to like kind of lack in that. But like, you know, we released Harsh Realities last year and we want to keep in the trend of like every two and a half years until it's time for a record. So We are at that point. So we we had our last show three weeks ago here in October, which was like one of the biggest shows of our life. We we recorded D V D. Audio and Audio and Visual is a concert night. We flew out John Micah from Cutlass. We flew out one of our friends, Josh Brown, was over the protest and we made it like a concert experience. Yeah. It was so much fun and and the crowd was like the best crowd I've ever experienced. But so it was a cool way to end on that. And then now we took cut took a couple of weeks off and now we just got together and like, all right, record. Number four. And so we have files of songs and songs of trying to sing out what is a what's the best contenders? Sure. Our goal is to have singles by mid 2028 and then possibly the album by early twenty nine. You guys are just cranking stuff out. There's a couple things I want to hit on, but you said the last concert you did, you did the DVD on. What is a DVD? I'm just kidding. Okay, but No, serious. I wanna Seriously, I I wanted I I talked to your dad about this. I was I think we should just make VHSs. Yeah. Just to say we didn't throw it back. Yeah. Yeah. So where did you guys shoot that at? Yeah, it was at the Junction Center, which we like to call our our hometown. That's our like Yep. That's our spot, which is a great place to have as your hometown as your spot. Junction Center does do really good stuff. Yeah. But the cool part about this, some of our like Patreon fans know this, but we've grown as advanced so much with even our team are we have we run with two sound engineers on the road with us and we're so blessed by that. But through the years we've been able to really get down and buy the right stuff for on stage. Cool. So that whole night we use all our production. We didn't use any of theirs. It was really cool to just showcase what we can do. Yeah. And have the and they'll be on a DVD, which is it's like a C'll have a streaming link. Yeah. Well when will that be ready if you can share? No idea. Okay. No idea. I know that the person who's doing the audio editing, I think they're expecting a baby. So he said we will get a rough draft maybe by March of next year. Video. I have no idea because we spent we were there Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Sure. There's so much video work. And I'm like, this is gonna take six hours. billion years. So you did it at the junction center, which is awesome. You brought all those people and the crowd was good. The crowd was incredible. Like insane. And and I'm not just trying to say that to feel like ugly we're so no. Like we've been to Germany. We didn't expect what would happen. It's just like from the very start, I heard it through my inner ears, everybody singing all the songs. That's awesome. and we did all three of our worship covers and all of those just felt extra. It it it just felt so special and just like we were all at church just worshiping and giving our heart out to God and you had to been there to feel like the DVD won't do it justice. Like if you were in that room, you felt something and it was special. Yeah, that's so cool. Cause I totally know what you mean because I feel like when I was at your show, it's not and it's not you because you guys put on an incredible show. But I wanted to a little bit ask about that. How do you continue to bring that your entire band to bring the type of energy that you bring? When the crowd doesn't give you a lot. Yeah. Because they don't. I mean, I we were trying, you know, yeah. We were singing to you. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of elements in that. Sure. And and the main element is we we always have to remember that we're not doing it for them. We our premise of our band is we're doing it to glorify God first. Yeah. And then we're doing it to encourage his church. Yeah. And then if in that whole process we can bring new believers into the kingdom, that's a plus two. We give it everything that we have because we want Put on a show for God. There's that point where we wanna engage more. Yeah. But I can't just stop the energy. Sometimes what happens normally is I will overdo it. I'll get in my head and be like, I don't see much here. And I will oversing. And that just that's almost like God's like, Hey, you're trying to take control here. And then the next day my voice is shot because I oversang. You just gotta give it your best foot forward. Yeah. And do it for the right reasons. Dude, that's awesome. What do you feel like God's been teaching you in this season of your life with your son at the age that he is, with the band growing like it's growing? What do you think God's sharing with you? w we were kind of reflecting over this year. Like every year kinda like we kind of sit down and be like, Okay, like let's how did this year go and what can we look forward to? As a band. As a band. Even like in in in our family and and I looked back as the band and I was like, we thought we were gonna have a huge blow year this year. Yeah. And it didn't pan out the way we did. We had a couple tours, we had our regular festivals, a couple one off shows. Germany didn't happen. And a lot of it some of that was just like a little discouraging. A human part of me was getting frustrated because I'm always like, How do we get to the next level? Can we meet how do we get to the next one? And I just feel like lately I got to like just stop and reflect on like this year I've spent more time with my family

than I have in the past five years. I always I have this like weak part of me is like, what is next thing and why can't we get there? And why isn't it happening? I've tried all we've tried as hard as we can. We've done this, this, this. We've literally done everything by the book and more. How is it we haven't reached this part yet? Sure. As I was sitting in my quiet time, I was just like, Garros of Rio is like, what are you talking about? why are you whining? literally. And I'm so hyper focused on this is what needs to happen next. This is the next big step. Why is it when I think it's gonna happen, it doesn't happen. And God's like, you're you're hyper focused on that. How about all of this? And in that moment, I'm like, wow, thank you, God. Yeah. thank you that we can be here and then we get to experience the things. But after we experience it, then I'm already right to like, how do I get there? I need to just recenter myself and focus and and realize that, you know, he's given me encouraging milestones and he's done encouraging things to the band. He's done encouraging and awesome things in my family. And I need to remember those things and do what I did in the very beginning of the band is Hand everything to him. Mm-hmm. And just be like, Whatever happens, it's because of you and you'll make it happen. Yeah. That's awesome. Well I'm glad. What can I be praying for you guys for? I would pray for prayer and wisdom on the topics to write about because the world is always changing. Sure. But God doesn't change. So we need to I wanna write music that talks about God's unfailing love and how he doesn't change, but how it could really impact the people and what they're struggling with in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, and twenty twenty nine. Sure. No, you gotta definitely be praying for that. Yes. So it's been so much fun hanging out with you. This has been the best. Clock it. The best podcast I've ever been on. It's dumb. It's dumb. No TV kills. No, seriously. I we I've known you for first seven or so years. We've done a lot of random stuff. I mean, you've taken pictures from my family. Yeah. We we we like interact. I've seen from seven years ago and then what you're doing now. And you're so creative. thank you. And you're so gifted. And this is truly incredible. So congratulations. And thank you so much for having me on. For sure. You texted me and I was like, dude, come on. I did not text you. I so my thing was I was like, a lot of people encourage me about things and I'm trying to do a better job. And when I see somebody I know really go after the dreams, like I want to make it a point to encourage them and congratulate. And so like my whole thing was like, I wanted to be like, hey, congrats. Like that's awesome. And then you're like, you should come on. I'm like, yeah, I should come on. Yeah. I was like, dude, you're always welcome. I have to ask people to come on. They're not just asking me. But I get it, right? I would be like, hi, I'd like to be on your podcast. and I just vomited through text to be like, Do you want more people? I will get my guys. I'll get to my Let's do it. I'm good. But I'm like, I'm so chill. I'm so down with like almost anything. So I think like if you want to be on, just ask. we'll do like a part two. Yeah, right. If people want to learn more about Behold the Beloved, where can they find your stuff? man, everywhere. Yeah. We're everywhere. Wherever you find music, that's where we'll be. We have our YouTube, we have our social media pages, Instagram, Facebook, like whatever you would do for any other artist, we're there. I'm glad to have you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, you got it. This has been Wait, Tell Me Everything, and remember be somebody's biggest fan, and you're worth caring for too. See you next week.