บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ AEW DYNAMITE POST-SHOW (2/26): Keller & Kuester review Revolution developments, Prince Nana ultimatum, Hangman's Rivian pick-up, more

the you know, the third thing is. 36 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.919 But those were like, oh, I'm sorry, Copeland and Moxley. 37 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:11.360 So those are kind of the three the three big things. 38 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:13.719 Maybe not two and a half, maybe three, but those 39 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:15.919 are the three feuds that are focused on the most 40 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.599 right now. And I thought they just checked the boxes. 41 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:20.919 I don't think it came across red hot. I've got 42 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:22.800 a little critique of a couple things here and there, 43 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.840 but to me, this just it felt like a mature, 44 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:32.599 well formatted, nicely paced show other than you know, the 45 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:34.599 chair shots of the head stuff, which is nonsense. We shouldn't 46 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:36.360 even be teasing it, even if the camera goo reveals 47 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.639 how fake it is, which also makes it completely pointless 48 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.439 to do something that isn't even entertaining anymore. We'll get 49 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:42.520 into that later. Dan, your thoughts on the big picture on. 50 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.840 The show, Yeah, you know, I was. 51 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:47.960 I was thinking about saying this, and I didn't want 52 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:51.639 to sound too cynical, but now what you said kind 53 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.120 of reinforces it. I felt like paint by numbers is 54 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:56.360 an accurate description of. 55 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:57.479 What they were doing. 56 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.520 Nothing really on ex affected, but that's not always a 57 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.280 bad thing. The only thing I might suggest is I 58 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:09.039 feel like the storm Maria may matches in the conversation 59 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.080 at least for as important as some of those others, 60 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:14.439 but not on the show. 61 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.639 Not on the show, So that's my point. 62 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.719 Yeah, so they go back a little bit, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 63 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:24.000 but I think it is one of the top matches, 64 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:27.159 but they chose to focus on what you mentioned, and 65 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.199 they showed a nice video package on Tony and Mariah, 66 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:33.560 but that doesn't really do the same to get people's 67 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.000 memory stoked as much as the actual show itself. 68 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:39.520 So yeah, no, And you can definitely make the argument 69 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:41.960 that's a big match and they ought to do more 70 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.159 and they did, And obviously it was an angle with 71 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.919 with Swerve and Ricochet. That's that's a big deal too, 72 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:50.560 and that got even more attention to Tony Storm and 73 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:53.000 Ria Mail. Though Storm and Mariah was the big focus 74 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.400 of Collision, they're putting right focus on Collision. One of 75 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:57.319 things I liked about tonight show is they did more 76 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:00.680 of a look back at Collision and a look to collision. 77 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.479 Collision feels like it's part of the rhythm of aw 78 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:06.280 storylines and not an afterthought, and it's gonna take some 79 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:08.759 time to convince people this is a show they need 80 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:10.400 to watch every week if they're not. But I think 81 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.240 these were steps in the right direction. But as Rob 82 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.479 and Nudle point out, the chat and I caught it peripherally, 83 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.560 this Ricochet storyline, he ended up nicely and got a 84 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:21.879 good amount of times. So but your point is well 85 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.279 taken in that that for sure is from a pay 86 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:27.920 per view depth standpoint, a big match and some people 87 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.720 would have a number one looking at this lady. People 88 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.680 care about copling that much, and you know, well asked, 89 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:35.560 you know whatever. There's other matches where people can kind 90 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:37.600 of be like, yeah, to me that the continuation of 91 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:41.959 that feud is what I'm most interested in. But on 92 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.160 this show they didn't overdo it. And that's kind of 93 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:47.120 my point is like, you know, the rule of two 94 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:48.240 and a half. I mean, I think we're up to 95 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.079 four now when we count Swerve and Richet. But I 96 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.560 did feel just it was paced well, the video packages 97 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.959 were well done, didn't overstay there welcome. They built up 98 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:59.600 the main event, which was I won't say self contained, 99 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:03.439 but it was. And because it's a step towards the 100 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:05.839 Keny Wingha match, so it's related to callous, but it 101 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.639 also they didn't just the video package on Org Cassidy, 102 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:11.519 having a huge history of that title. I think was 103 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:16.160 a good not just perfunctory, but but fruitful way to 104 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:18.360 add a little doubt. Maybe this is his belt, maybe 105 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:21.800 this is his night, and maybe the maybe we're gonna 106 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:25.120 se Omega versus OSPR Cassidy and and the Takesha matches later. 107

00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.439 So I think they did a good job owning the 108 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:29.600 main event and not looking past it, so that it 109 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.000 felt like fata complete, that it's just of course going 110 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:33.680 to be to Qusch to winning, even though of course 111 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:37.120 Takesha is gonna win, right, Yeah. 112 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:37.920 No, I mean that's right. 113 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.120 I mean going into the show, there wasn't a lot 114 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:46.360 of intrigue about much of anything really, But that's again, 115 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:49.439 it's it's not optimal, but it's it could be okay, 116 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:53.360 particularly when they're building something bigger. I'm seeing a lot 117 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.839 of comments pop up as I'm speaking here and. 118 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:57.959 Don't don't know them until I read them, although it's 119 00:05:57.959 --> 00:05:59.639 gonna be yeah, well but. 120 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.680 You know, but again, I have been the problem for 121 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:05.879 me right now, Waite is I'm one of my Missouri 122 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:07.519 Tigers here or top. 123 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.519 Ten in the net rent or what is it the 124 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:10.439 Ken Palm. 125 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.600 Anyway, the basketball is college basketball is my thing, and 126 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.399 it's been really great right now and Saturday nights I 127 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:18.720 usually end up flipping on collision a little bit, but 128 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:19.920 I'm focusing. 129 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.480 I've got two TVs on right now in the background. 130 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:25.079 If we can move up in the SEC standings and 131 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.079 all this stuff, So it's not my time of year 132 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.800 to be totally focused on wrestling. I know that's last 133 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:33.759 for me in March for some people, but in February. 134 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:37.319 But but yeah, I have been trying to catch Collision. 135 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:39.120 I did watch the Australia show, and I think a 136 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:41.560 lot of people did, and that is that didn't really 137 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:43.480 strike me as a Collision per se, even though it 138 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:44.240 technically was. 139 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.439 But they have been doing a better job and there 140 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:48.879 there is some good. 141 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:52.680 Synchronicity there, for lack of a better word, between the 142 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:55.680 programs and and I think they you know, they're not 143 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.680 they're only asking to watch four hours a week. I mean, 144 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:01.399 they could get people that enjoy the product enough to 145 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.600 at least check in on Collision and maybe see what 146 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:07.480 you know, zip through it or nothing else. And I 147 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:09.519 think that they're building a little momentum there. 148 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.839 Yeah, we'll go over these segments. We're kind of brushing over. 149 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:14.720 Like I said, I rarely start with macro because it 150 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:16.639 can't be a little overwhelming. But to me, that was 151 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:18.879 the story the show. We're seeing it in some of 152 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:20.720 the reader comment in some of the chat room comments. 153 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.800 I'll throw that up. Kyle Fassel says a pacing has 154 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:29.560 been improved the last few weeks or so, and I 155 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.319 want to pull up. Oh yeah, this was a standard deviation. 156 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:34.160 Good point. They seem to be spreading the key moments 157 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.920 across both shows instead of cramming everything at A Dynamite 158 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:40.160 fan Blast notes, Collision did a good number last week, 159 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:42.639 and you know, I mean it should go up. I 160 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.480 mean one just being in a regular time slot a 161 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.000 little bit. I think, get in your argument, Den, There's 162 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:49.360 a lot of competition, and AW has always got a 163 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:53.439 competition on Saturday seasonally, some more than others. And I 164 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.600 think Grand Slam after the NBA game brought in some 165 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.639 new viewers. They did a terrible job convincing people or 166 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:03.720 tempting people who were watching the NBA who might be 167 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.040 casual port wrestling or DOWD fans to watch the coordination. 168 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.120 That should have been much better. But that said, certainly 169 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:11.360 the number was better than usual, and it brought in 170 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.000 some new fans. And for you, like you said, for 171 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:16.439 eight W fans who try to watch or always watch 172 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:19.319 Dynamite and Collision feels sort of optional or I'll speed 173 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:22.800 through it, I'll catch up on highlights, that Grand Slam 174 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.839 event reminded them that this is something that they got 175 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:29.199 to build around their schedule and so I think they 176 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.960 improved because of that. It just reminded people that's right, 177 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.360 this is a show I can make time for. I mean, 178 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.159 the number was four or twenty one thousand viewers Saturday 179 00:08:40.120 -->

00:08:42.639 Grand Slam. The week before it did five hundred two thousand, 180 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.080 but the week before that was three eighty seven. So 181 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.200 they're up, you know, forty five thousand from where they 182 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.440 were two weeks ago for a regular show, and they 183 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:51.559 had been in the you know, mid twes to mid 184 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.559 threes with a lot of time shot slot shifting, but 185 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:57.879 it was I'm looking at my my chart the first time. 186 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.919 The last time they did more than four thousand viewers 187 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.080 otherwise was back on September twenty eighth, so two weeks 188 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.480 in or over four hundred, so they might be feeling 189 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.720 a little momentum. And they closed the show as Taqusha 190 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:10.960 was celebrating with Callus plugging Collision, which makes sense it 191 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:14.159 wasn't some rapid fire thing from ex Caliber. Before the 192 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:17.320 main event, they talked about Danny Garcia against Adam Cole 193 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:19.799 TNT title. I want to talk about that, that's noteworthy 194 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.080 afterr against O'Reilly and Strong, just kind of a spin 195 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:23.720 off of the six man tag that filled some time 196 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.360 with good restling tonight and then can you Omega promo 197 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:28.840 to build up the dikest to match in Omega on 198 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:32.679 Collision sends a signal to a w fans Collision is 199 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:36.120 relevant again, it is, you know, it is deserving of 200 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:39.519 your attention. So, yeah, Dan, some your some of your 201 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:40.039 thoughts on that. 202 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:44.159 Yeah, I mean, I again, I just think that they 203 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:48.840 are finding a little better rhythm, a little better again 204 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:51.279 I said synchronicity before. I mean where things kind of 205 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:55.600 tend to tie together pretty well. And yeah, there was 206 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:58.679 a time there where it it you know, after cm 207 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.639 funk left obviously, where just felt like you weren't going 208 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:05.320 to see too many of the big names on Collision 209 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:12.080 for whatever reason, except for Brian Danielson, and so people 210 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:16.120 got out of the habit of watching, and I you know, 211 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:18.799 I think generally that was a mistake. I mean, this 212 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.919 is the A show and that's fine, but you don't 213 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.559 have enough television that your secondary show doesn't have to 214 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:28.799 be an A minus yep yep. 215 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:31.639 Chris Johnson and the Chat said the exact same thoughts tonight. 216 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:33.559 For the first time since the umpunk, I felt like 217 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.919 maybe I'll give collision. A try back to the talk 218 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:39.600 about the format, Tonight's standard Deviation said the show open 219 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:42.000 up a series of storyline driven segments that led into 220 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:44.440 each other, and the first full match didn't begin until 221 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:46.799 eighteen minutes of the show. This format is more and 222 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:52.279 more accommodating for newer viewers, and really sometimes we get 223 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.440 hung up on newer viewers, but it's also more accommodating 224 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.639 to people with busy life to look at wrestling for entertainment. 225 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:59.360 But they don't keep track because they're not thinking seven 226 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:01.600 days a week like on a con about this product. 227 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:03.960 They're not on social media constantly, they're not even listening 228 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.600 to a podcasts like this. They need to kind of 229 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:08.919 have you know, have it sort of spoon fit of them. 230 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.840 This is the most important storyline, here's the development related 231 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:16.240 to it, and we've made progress this week because we've 232 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:19.960 heard from people involved. There's things have been elevated. So yeah, 233 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.399 I just thought the waste standard deviation phrased it. One 234 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.279 kind of flowed into the other and it made you 235 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.360 care about the characters, understand who they are, and then 236 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.240 when they're wrestling at what's at stake. 237 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:30.879 And Wade, I don't think they had a commercial break 238 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:34.840 until at least eighteen minutes in, and I'm not saying 239 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:36.559 that is a bad thing. I don't think they have 240 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.039 to do it every week, but you know, because again 241 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.240 I was gonna I was watching some of these basketball scores. 242 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:44.039 I'm like, I'm going to switch over on the commercial 243 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.240 and I looked up and I'm like, I still haven't 244 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:49.720 switched to check this score because they've bled one thing 245 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:53.399 into the other and it was all, you know, pretty 246 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.639 pretty big time stuff. So so yeah, I think that's 247 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:59.360 a good way to you know, you could

sacrifice a 248 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:01.759 little bit of your commercial breaks at the beginning of 249 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:03.639 the show and catch up as the show goes on, 250 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.200 and you might be able to keep an audience better 251 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.279 that way, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did. 252 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:12.200 All right, so let's pause, let's introduce ourselves in the show, 253 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:14.519 and then what we're gonna do is something we don't 254 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.639 normally do. But we're gonna just go through the show 255 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:21.679 in chronological order and kind of cover because I do think, 256 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.440 as standard Division said, one thing flowed into the other, 257 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.399 and I think it's a good way to cover what 258 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:27.879 we did. Again, that's it's normally what I do on 259 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:29.759 the Weight Keller Hotline. When I'm just going through everything, 260 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:31.159 I'm not going to like detail it like I do 261 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:32.679 in the way Keller Hotline. But I want to get 262 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:34.600 our opinions in our thoughts because a number of developments 263 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:36.600 here and I don't want anything to slip by both 264 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.080 posive mostly positive, but I think a few negative things 265 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:43.240 here and there too worth bringing up. You can support 266 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.159 us on Patreon and get these shows with ads and 267 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.960 plugs remove, the Weight Keller Prossing Podcast, Weight Keller Prossing 268 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.759 post shows and the PW Torch daily cast throughout the 269 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.879 week with ads and plugs remove, plus a few bonus 270 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.159 VIP shows throughout the month for just four dollars and 271 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:00.559 ninety nine cents a month. Check it out patri dot 272 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:05.639 com slash PW Torch VIP. That's patreon dot com slash 273 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.320 PW Torch VIP and you can also upgrade to other 274 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:13.759 tiers and receive even more benefits through Patreon. This is 275 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.519 the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show for Wednesday, February 276 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.679 twenty six, twenty twenty five, and I'm most of the show. Wadkeller, Editor, 277 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.440 publisher and founder of the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter and 278 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.440 the website PW torch dot com. You can read my 279 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:30.480 live coverage of Dynamite Raw and SmackDown every Monday, Wednesday 280 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:32.759 and Friday, along with my coverage of pls and pay 281 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:37.159 per views on

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But we're here to talk 314 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.799 dynamite and you can join us in the chat room. 315 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.919 You can also email us at Wadkeller podcast at gmail 316 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.639 dot com. Weadkeller Podcast at gmail dot com. Let us 317 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:28.519 know what you thought of the show, ask questions through 318 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.919 out some thoughts, rant if you want a compliment, if 319 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.159 you want, we monitor during the show, So if you 320 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.360 want to write something longer than the chat accommodates, that's 321 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.080 a good way to do that. And then finally, if 322 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.639 you're a VP member or page run supporter, you can 323 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.960 be a live caller. The link to be a live 324 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.639 caller is in my TV report at PW torchvip dot 325 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.480 com for our full VIP members and also on the 326 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.440 Patreon page if you are a people Torch vip supporter there. 327 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.720 Dan Keister is my guest co host, Dan, Good to 328 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:58.639 have you back on the show. You're a PW Torch contributor, 329 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.320 often most often talking on nutche Band, but also in 330 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.919 rotation here on Talking Dynamite with us. Good to have 331 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:07.000 you back. Know it's been a long day. 332 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.480 Yeah yeah, I mentioned to you and may as well 333 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:12.039 share with the audience. I had jury duty yesterday. We 334 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.320 had a big work related meeting today, so I've put 335 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:20.000 in extra long hours this week, but happy to be on. 336 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:23.440 I always enjoy the interactions with all the callers and 337 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:27.440 chatters and some sharp folks, so it's always fun to 338 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:30.120 be able to get back on here, and I do 339 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:32.279 do enjoy aw and enjoy talking about it. 340 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.639 So well, it's great to have you here. Let's continue 341 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.919 talking dynamite. And like I said, this was an interesting 342 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:41.519 show just because I don't think you could really easily 343 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:43.879 rearrange things and end up with the same product. There 344 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:46.759 was a certain flow. I think there was a strategy 345 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:52.639 to how they did it. It didn't feel overwhelming at 346 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.240 any point. It felt well paced, but it also didn't 347 00:16:55.279 --> 00:17:01.879 feel like boring or too slowed down. And so I mean, 348 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:06.279 like I just I want to compliment this format. Standard 349 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:11.000 Deviation brought it up. Also, Ramen Noodle wrote, way, I've 350

00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:12.559 missed a few weeks because of work, and not to 351 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:14.359 be honest, I like the way they caught me up 352 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:16.240 on a few things tonight. I know I've given some 353 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:19.960 pushback on how necessary I think recaps are, and so yeah, 354 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:21.640 you know, you kind of live it and you get 355 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.400 busy and then you realize, you know, the people who 356 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.680 watch every week are like, oh, I already saw this Saturday. 357 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:29.559 I remember this from last week, and I've bet no, 358 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:31.839 you like, let's find a good balance. It's not about 359 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.640 overdoing it. Tonight didn't overdo it, but I think there 360 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.000 is I think they found as standard deviation just put 361 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:40.559 in the chat. Their rapid fire recaps hit a sweet 362 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:43.480 spot that I think works for the TikTok generation. The 363 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.000 Jericho recap was about twenty seconds, but it served its 364 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:49.039 function to catch up the viewer on what's up next 365 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:51.720 and let them know what's up next. Dan, your thoughts 366 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:52.079 on that. 367 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:54.519 Well, I'm going to change the subjects slightly and I 368 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:56.799 have a feeling you may bring this up independently. But 369 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:59.720 one thing I really liked, and it was a small thing. 370 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.279 After they did the intro, here's what's coming on, they 371 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.880 had a different view of the announcers standing out the 372 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.440 green side, and it looked really professional and it just 373 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:15.400 sports like set a really good tone and it was different, 374 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:18.759 Like I don't like watching a show where everything just 375 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.039 wrote and it's always the same. And I did feel 376 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.680 like also, as some of the chatters mentioned that they 377 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.279 did a nice job of catching people up. You know, 378 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:33.720 when I first started watching wrestling, I loved learning who 379 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:36.440 the different people were and trying to figure it out 380 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:37.480 as I went a little bit. 381 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:39.440 But those days are long gone. 382 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:42.799 Like, if you're kind of a semi viewer of aw 383 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:44.880 you really don't want to turn it on and spend 384 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:46.720 all this time trying to figure out what's going on, 385 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:48.680 because you may throw your hands up

at some point. 386 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:50.759 So yeah, and all that too. 387 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:52.759 I think the storylines are making more sense. I think 388 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.759 it's easier to catch people up when there's not it's 389 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.839 not convoluted, it's not meta, it's it's coherent, not incoherent. 390 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.920 It's more stripped down to the basics. We're not burning 391 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:08.359 down people's houses. You know those scissors tonight it's about 392 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:09.359 wanting a title. 393 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.720 Yeah, the robe, I mean, the robe is exactly it's 394 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:16.880 got some gravitas to it, and it's all about presentation. 395 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:20.960 You could have a really stupid storyline about a rope, 396 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:21.920 but this is not it. 397 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:24.640 I mean, it's like, it feels very important. 398 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.240 Yes, a couple of chattereron comments, and we'll get into 399 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:29.359 the specifics you're talking about. I'll talk about announcers too. 400 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.599 Jac Scooby nineteen seventy six. Say has got a chance 401 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:33.839 to watch aw Live for once, and it didn't keep 402 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.160 me from clicking, and it didn't keep me from clicking 403 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.880 back and forth. I think he means that they held 404 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:44.039 his interest. I think right jac clarify on that it 405 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:45.759 sounds like they didn't keep your attention, but I think 406 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:49.480 you were saying the opposite. GWFSPN says, Ever since Jeft 407 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:51.680 Jerrett disappeared and was reported Tony Conna was getting quote 408 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:54.079 more hands on, I've enjoyed a W more than w 409 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.359 B for the first time in a while. Kyle Fassel said, Yeah, 410 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.680 I need the reminders even though I watch every week. 411 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.200 And one of the things the reminders does is it 412 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:07.640 tells you all the stuff you've watched. Let's help tell 413 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:10.359 you what the most important pertinent thing is. Like I mean, 414 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.880 it's just sort of it's like why newspapers have headlines 415 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.920 like this is what this story's about, but it's in 416 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.519 a reverse that story you read last week. Here's a 417 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:20.920 one line summary. This is what's most important. Here's a 418 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:24.519 couple sentences on it. So a lot of good things here, 419 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:27.799 some compliments to on the arena and the production. Kyle 420 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:29.559 Fassel said, they had

a good movement all over the 421 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.599 arena tonight. It felt fresh. So we'll get into that. So, yes, 422 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:35.359 you said the announcers. By the way, Dody's been doing 423 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:38.599 this with Joe Tes Torrence backdown, announcers standing at ringside, 424 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.039 they're doing different settings. I have no problem with al 425 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:43.000 copying them. I wish they were doing this sooner so 426 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.319 it doesn't feel like they're being inspired by or copying. 427 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:47.519 But the fact is all they're doing are things that 428 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:49.960 sports has been doing forever. And frankly, I mean you 429 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.400 go back to the first drawspens it, Matt and Rob 430 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.319 Bartlett standing at ringside, I mean it's like, this is 431 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:59.240 not reinventing the wheel or whatever. You know, this it's 432 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:01.839 just what's done. And sometimes you get enough rot you 433 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.119 kind of do the same old thing and you don't 434 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:06.160 think about innovating because you don't think it's important. But 435 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:08.759 that fresh look can help. And it stood out to 436 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:10.960 you enough to go, hey, let's not skip past this 437 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:13.440 as we go through the show. And I did like it, 438 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.359 and it did look professional, and it just it's sort 439 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.039 of like rearranging furniture in your house, or if you 440 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:19.799 ever ever looked at your house in a mirror, real 441 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:21.720 estate agents they do this. If you're selling your house, 442 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:23.440 look at your house in a mirror, because you see 443 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:25.200 everything the way someone walking in your house for the 444 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.200 first time is going to see it because you get 445 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:29.839 it's sort of like you get noseblind to smells commercial 446 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:33.680 for the air spray. You get eye blind to your 447 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:36.079 own clutter, and so you hold up a mirror and 448 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:37.920 you're like, oh, God, that's what it's going to look 449 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:39.359 like for someone coming to my house for an open out, 450 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:40.960 and then you want to declutter and clean it up. 451 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:46.079 Sometimes you just you rearrange furniture. Fact I'm mixing analogies here, 452 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.079 but you arrange furniture just because it fresh and it 453 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.000 makes the house feel pressure. It's like, oh, this is 454 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:52.039 kind of neat. I appreciate certain things in a different 455 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:55.400 way now, and that's good to do. It keeps viewers. 456 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:58.039 It allows viewers to kind of make think the show 457 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:02.160 feels fresh, and this did. And it's little things, but 458 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.440 those things add up. There's a reason they they're doing 459 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:05.880 a lot of things already doing it doesn't mean there 460 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.759 aren't more they can do. But but but I liked it, 461 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:10.559 and I thought they arena looked good. There's a compliment 462 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:13.559 earlier in the chat about these smaller venues paying off 463 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.400 because of the energy. A Zach Barber was one who 464 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:20.200 said it four weeks with hot crowds looks like that 465 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:25.240 shifting venues is working swimmingly, and so yeah, Dan, what 466 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:26.240 do you think about the venues. 467 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:30.000 I definitely agree that the smaller venues have been a 468 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.000 good step as long as they can fill the buildings 469 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:32.839 or come really. 470 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:33.240 Close to it. 471 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.119 I would say I felt like this crowd was kind 472 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:38.799 of hit and miss, Like they started hot and they 473 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:42.319 ended fairly hot. And I mean that six man match 474 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:46.160 they were not really into. Why would it be, Well, 475 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.000 that's a good that's a good counterpoint. 476 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.359 And Copeland that's a that. 477 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:55.680 Yeah yeah yeah, so uh that that is uh. 478 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.000 You know, Harley did pretty well with the crowd and 479 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.559 and then I thought that Orange and Jakesha got him. 480 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:04.880 But it was it was a rough time there. I 481 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.279 was going and again I'm like, I'm tired, I've been 482 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:07.920 doing all this stuff. 483 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:09.960 I'm like, oh. 484 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:12.319 Man, they're they're dragging here. This is becoming a bit 485 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:14.319 of a slog. And so I'm glad it picked up 486 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:14.920 towards the end. 487 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:19.440 Yes, so yeah, we had the announcer staying at ringside 488 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:22.640 and then they showed m Jeff lying on a treatment 489 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.799 table it turned out to be a tattoo bench or whatever, 490 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:29.359 and he was getting it didn't explain it, I don't think. 491 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:31.359 But he got an aw tattoo when it came back 492 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:33.640 and then and now it's

showed it, I guess being removed. 493 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:35.079 They didn't really and. 494 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.559 I think but I think that's okay because the people 495 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:40.119 that were at watched the pay per view that's when 496 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:43.039 he gave that big interview and he showed that tattoo. 497 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.519 It's okay for occasionally for people to be like, well, 498 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:48.359 what was that tattoo he got removed? 499 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:49.599 Maybe they look it up, maybe. 500 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:52.599 Because it's not like you're totally out of the story 501 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.119 if you don't understand what the tattoo is removed, So 502 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:56.480 totally okay with that. 503 00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:59.119 Yeah, it wouldn't have been a bad thing if the 504 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:01.640 announcer if you had said, OMGF is having his A 505 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:04.640 W tattoo removed and it you know Tony Shavanio. Of course, 506 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:06.640 you know, nobody ever believed he that was even a 507 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.000 permanent tattoo. Nobody thought that he's all about MGF. He's 508 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.000 always about about better about MGFF. They could have emphasized it, 509 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:15.079 but yeah, no big deal point made. So then Hangman 510 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.240 Page arrives in a gorgeous Ravian arm one t EV 511 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:20.680 pickup truck with a horn on the front. I've been 512 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:22.160 waiting for one of those to show up on TV 513 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.839 after these hideous cyber trucks have made their appearances. And 514 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:27.480 he got out, walked into the arena. 515 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:30.200 To his end, what is that truck? Wade? I wasn't 516 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:31.480 sold on the truck, but. 517 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.640 If you look at I'm not what the cool kids, 518 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:38.880 so I don't. I wondered if that was a positive 519 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:39.480 or negative. 520 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.160 To be honest, it's it's it's the coolest looking car 521 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:45.599 ever ever made, a truck ever made. It's a US 522 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:50.039 based EV startup that's gonna take over Tesla and it 523 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:51.960 it goes zero to sixty and two point five seconds. 524 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:55.920 It's faster than any any regular any it says, it's 525 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.759 as fast as any standard car that you can buy 526 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:02.359 because of the squad motor, like I bought YouTube videos 527 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:04.519 on it. It's it's and it's got the There's a guy, 528 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.119 the number one YouTube car reviewer. He ranks every single car, 529 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:09.279 every single price point, gave it the highest score of 530 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:13.759 any vehicle he's ever driven of any kind. So it's it's, 531 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.119 it's it's a it's a I have to make so. 532 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.880 And blasphem this. I wasn't sure it wasn't a cyber truck. 533 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:19.559 I don't know enough. 534 00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:23.200 Now you've lost all credibility because there's there's I didn't 535 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:23.920 I didn't. 536 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:26.160 Claim to have any. I don't like this. I like 537 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:27.720 I like the look of it. I was like, well, 538 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.160 this isn't quite as ugly as a cyber truck. But 539 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.440 isn't it. I don't are the cyber truck. 540 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.920 What isn't I didn't look look him up, look him up. Okay, 541 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.079 it's a it's a it's a handsome, it's it's super 542 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.160 it's meant like they're all over Colorado because it's like 543 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:45.240 a outdoor car, like it's built like a jeep in 544 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:47.599 terms of off road. It goes as fast as any 545 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.559 sports car that you can find on a showroom floor. 546 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.720 And it's also essentially a Minian because I'm an SUV 547 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:54.960 version too, so it can be a everyday people hauler. 548 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.680 It's kind of all three in one, great in Minnesota 549 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:01.319 winters and Colorado winters because of it's it's it's amazing, 550 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.960 all right. So now people are listening what car car 551 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.599 they have in the chat room. One guy says it's 552 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:09.920 country and ready for EV I don't know what that means. 553 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:11.000 They're all over the place. 554 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.720 I mean it depends on your list. Sure right now, 555 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:17.720 we don't see a lot of them around here. 556 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.200 No, no, yeah, this country is a broad statement. 557 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:20.720 It is. 558 00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:22.759 It is getting better. But I mean the I mean, 559 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:24.680 in just the last three years, the number of EV 560 00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:26.359 chargers in my areas. 561 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.200 The guy that posted it did have a Nebraska logo there, 562 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.319 so there you go. 563 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:33.599 Yeah, exactly know what totally I mean in California. I mean, 564 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.759 what did I see as a YouTube video of somebody 565 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:38.759 on a street of California. It was like every third 566 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.039 car was a Tesla like in California. It's just in 567 00:26:41.079 -->

00:26:43.599 just a regular neighborhood like it was just it was crazy. 568 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:45.759 So yeah, EV's are are growing up. 569 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:46.039 I want. 570 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:48.839 I went hybrid for my new car, so I'm you know, 571 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:49.599 we're getting there. 572 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:51.720 Yeah, and it's been really good. 573 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:57.640 Sorry okay, no, no, I just all right, so back. 574 00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:59.359 So but hang man's a cool guy to be the 575 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:01.839 first one to drive. Yeah yeah, and like in uh, I. 576 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:03.759 Mean, he has credibility with me, and that's why I 577 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:04.559 wondered what it was. 578 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:10.519 Yes, yes, all right, Sue, Uh, let's hear Hangman page 579 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.799 Aaron Solo quick squash by Hangman after he charges into 580 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.759 the building. The Excaliburt said he wasn't they had seen 581 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:19.160 him all day, but he was scheduled to be there 582 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.000 and he just showed up just in time for the 583 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.039 belt of ring for his match Aaron Sol. It was 584 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:24.960 a little bit weird. I'll say this. There's a few 585 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.319 I don't know what the best phrases. Uh, there's a 586 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.359 phrase in like fiction writing of not to have the 587 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.319 incredibly unlikely coincidences happen, you know, like there are too 588 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.359 many of those on this show. One of them is 589 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.000 why is Aaron Solo in the ring if they didn't 590 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:41.880 know where Hangman was until he sped up in the 591 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.519 car and ran to the ring. Like, what was Aaron 592 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.200 Solo doing in the ring if the Hangman who hadn't 593 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.000 they had seen all day hadn't shown up? That was 594 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.480 kind of dumb. Claudio hanging out backstage looking for Copeland 595 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:54.400 and they're just randomly showing him and then that's the 596 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.480 moment Copeland happens to attack him. Oh, how convenient. There 597 00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:03.400 might have bet a couple other things like that. So anyway, 598 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.279 so those little contrivance. That's it. There's contrivances on the 599 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:09.839 show that I think could have easily been worked a 600 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:11.559 way out. All Excalbert to say is we've been waiting 601 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:13.240 all day for Hangman to show up. We got word 602 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.920 five minutes ago. He's on his way to the building. 603 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:16.920 His opponent, Aaron Solo, scheduled to wrestle him in the 604 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.920 opening match. Here he is like, why over state? We 605 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:21.680 don't know where he is until he drives up. Just go. 606 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:23.559 He's been missing all day, but he's about to drive 607 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.799 up and he's on time for his match. He won't 608 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.880 get a fee for being late, but he's just in time, 609 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.160 all right. So then he cuts his promo. He sits 610 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.759 in the ring and says, MGF, I'm gonna stay here 611 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.440 until until I see you. MGF walks out and they 612 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:38.720 cut a promo and and MGFF just said, you know, 613 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:42.920 I'm not I'm not going to wrestle you until the 614 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:46.200 pay per view, and he revealed that he beat up 615 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:48.000 Chris H. Daniels and bloodied him backstayed. 616 00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:57.880 I'm Kelly Wells, host of PWT Talks NXT, the longest 617 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:01.880 running NXT podcast anywhere. Join me along with Nate Lindberg, 618 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.400 Bruce Lee, Hazelwood and special guests live every Tuesday night, 619 00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.839 just minutes after NXT, where we cover the good, the bad, 620 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:10.880 and the ugly on the way to becoming a star 621 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.200 in WWE. Check us out live on YouTube or stream 622 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.319 later wherever you get your podcasts. 623 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.400 So what do you think of the Hangman MGFF back 624 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:26.799 and forth? 625 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:34.039 I mean, the actual dialogue and stuff was good, very good. 626 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:40.039 Kind of odd that Hangman goes back to find Christopher 627 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.039 Daniels and nobody, you know, I mean, I don't see 628 00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.960 a lot of bloody people laying around my job with 629 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.559 no one paying any attention to them. But you know, 630 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:50.440 I mean, if you can get past that, I think 631 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:54.279 everything was was it was pretty good and continues to 632 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.000 build interest in those two guys going at it. So 633 00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.640 I would I would, I would give it a thumbs up. 634 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.400 But uh, I just thought, I mean, does it really 635 00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:04.880 does Hangman have to be the first one to find 636 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.599 It'd be it would have been better for me if 637 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.319 somebody was trying to tend to Christopher Daniels when Hangman 638 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:11.839 found him. 639 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.400 And I know we're nitpicking, no, but you know what 640 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.559 all this

stuff adds up. I mean, it's just that, 641 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:19.880 like if it weren't easy to fix, I want harp 642 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:21.599 on it. There's certain things you can't fix because it's 643 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:25.279 just you can't, like there's no way. These are stuff 644 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:26.799 that's just kind of easy to clean up a little bit. 645 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:28.480 And that's the thing. It just all makes the more, 646 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:30.240 it makes more more immersive experience. 647 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:32.359 Yeah, and then he already had the blood on his shirt, 648 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.680 so you could have the blood on his shirt while 649 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.680 somebody's already patching him up. And then Hangman's like, hey, 650 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:39.720 we got to get him somewhere, you know, we gotta 651 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:42.519 make sure he's okay. But instead he walks back there 652 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.599 and the guy's just gushing blood. I'm like, okay, well 653 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.720 he's been gushing blood for a while, but there you go. 654 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.960 Yep. So, as far as we haven't talked since Hangman 655 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.920 and Up, I think got on track. I think both 656 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.279 of them are more on track right now. Like I 657 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:01.680 I don't want to like Harpine because it's not the 658 00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.119 end of the world, but like when MGF like yells 659 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.440 and over modulates, but like he's so much more effective 660 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.440 when he's not like thinking he has to just do 661 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.680 this hack promo technique that Dolf Zigler made a build 662 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.559 his whole promo career on which is yelling at the 663 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.640 top of your lungs to get people's attention. And you know, overlaw. 664 00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:19.680 Even if he didn't overmodulate the microphone, it's just it's 665 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.079 so unncessary for someone as talented as him. You want 666 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:25.839 to pick your spots. This was his calm, cool, collected, cocky, 667 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.599 easily unlikable MGF and he like and again there's a 668 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:32.559 time for everything, but he did that too much. This 669 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:34.960 was a really like good MGF performance. I think he's 670 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.200 been good the last few weeks. I think Hangman is 671 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.000 back on track. Zach Barber and his aw FU tracker 672 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.799 reports and in our chat also has been making the 673 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.920 case that Fort Hangman has been on this journey to 674 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:47.680 find himself. He was never a heal. He was just 675 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.799 a

baby face. He was kind of losing losing his shit, 676 00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.680 so to speak, and now we're watching him kind of 677 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.880 regain his footing. I think an ode an ode to that, 678 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:01.319 A a hint of that. No, well, you tell me 679 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:02.680 what word I should He went when he went to 680 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:04.400 sours locker room and Renee Cottam said, what are you 681 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:05.960 doing here? It's like, oh, don't talk to me about it, 682 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:07.480 Like he didn't want to admit it, but it looked 683 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:09.200 like he was trying to make peace. Maybe they never 684 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:10.720 really followed up on it, but it was a way 685 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.759 of telling the audience he's trying to make amends, you know, 686 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.359 and and he's been on this journey. So your opinion 687 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.279 on M Jeff and Hangman, you know, Wade what. 688 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.799 I hadn't thought about. And I don't recall what person 689 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:26.559 in the chat brought this up. And I don't mean 690 00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.640 to sound negative about anybody, but I'm just going to 691 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.680 tell it what I see it. Yeah, they took Jeff 692 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:37.359 Jarrett off this show, and MJF has been five times 693 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:38.240 better since then. 694 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.680 Hangman is building off of them. 695 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.400 They're both being really focused and maybe they're just doing 696 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:45.920 it till after the pay per view and then they're 697 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:48.519 going to kill some TV time with Jeff Jarrett. I'd 698 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.240 say drop it. I'd say clearly, nobody. I'm not missing it. 699 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.559 I forgot it ever existed, and I don't think it 700 00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.640 was that compelling for anybody. And putting the stars against 701 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.119 the stars, and they're interacting just with the other stars 702 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.640 for the most part, with some ancillary stuff on the 703 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.480 side occasionally. I think that makes a lot more sense 704 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:08.920 and it makes for a lot better product. 705 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:16.880 Yes, okay, So in terms of where this feud goes 706 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.880 and where they land, I've been talking about like should 707 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:23.839 Hangman be the top baby face? He's getting the best 708 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.880 responses right now. I would argue better than Kenny and 709 00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:27.960 will last Ray, But they're getting good responses. This is 710 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.240 not taking a dig at them, but there's something about 711 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.440 Hangman right now. But they just and we're gonna well, 712 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.279 we can talk about it now. They repped up Swerf. 713 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.640 You know, Swerve versus Ricochet is set up, winner gets 714 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.680 a shot at the world title. Is Swerve the right 715 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.599 person to take the title from Moxley? Because we've been 716 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.079 wondering a lot of people have been talking about that 717 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:46.920 on my podcast, like who is the right person? It's 718 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.799 not Copeland, but who and when? Or do you want 719 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.039 it to be Kenny because you know, you got to 720 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:53.880 be in the Kenny business with you know, he's gone 721 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:57.119 for over a year. Now he's back. He's you know, 722 00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:03.440 and he's a founding co founder EVP, but also the 723 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.640 guy who came in with all the momentum he's had injury, setbacks, whatever. 724 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.280 You know, maybe you just make it about him so 725 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:12.559 then to Swerve loose to him. But to me, I 726 00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.679 look around and I'm like, what do you do with Hangman? 727 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.880 Like does maybe he should be world champion? Maybe you 728 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.800 want him involved in passionate feuds and you wait till 729 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.039 twenty twenty six to start thinking world title with him again. 730 00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.000 But there is a sense for a character that was 731 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:27.239 out there and lost and over the top or renown 732 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:29.559 houses and all that nonsense that just doesn't pay off, 733 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:31.679 and you can't really follow up on and own and 734 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.880 make sense of the in the universe of aw Now 735 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.760 he's over in that organic way of people just liking him. 736 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:41.239 So yeah, what do you think about the place of 737 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.960 Hangman relative to say, Swerve and Kenny in terms of 738 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.280 who the top babyface should be? And we'll ask Ray too, 739 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:46.639 of course. 740 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:47.280 Sure. 741 00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.760 And I think it's just somewhat relief from fans that 742 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.840 really like Hangman that he's doing things that are logical 743 00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:01.519 and reasonable, and they don't they don't make you question 744 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.760 why you're suspending your disbelief. So that alone, I really like, 745 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.199 you know, I don't mean to cop out, I think 746 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.760 you've given a lot of good

options here for me, 747 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:17.360 given everything I know what I know, and I watched 748 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.920 that Tokyo Dumb show. I'm going to be in the 749 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.400 Kenny Omega business first and foremost. And part of it 750 00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.880 is because the opportunity cost of not doing so is 751 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.199 higher than with those other guys, because you just don't know, 752 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.239 you know, Kenny maybe another ten to twenty year guy, 753 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:37.519 but maybe two or three. And so that's I'm going 754 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:38.840 to strike while they aren't hot. 755 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.079 I'm going to take advantage of that. 756 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.199 I'm going to hopefully have a little bit you know 757 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:46.679 better tie in with New Japan. 758 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:48.840 I really like you know, Gabe Kid. 759 00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.760 Was on Saturday Night and that was cool, right, I mean, 760 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.159 so that's another reason to watch Collision. And they've got 761 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:58.119 Clark Connors coming in that that may not do as 762 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.039 much for some of the fans as it does for me, 763 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.800 but you know, that's another compelling reason to watch Collision 764 00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.559 or keep track of all the shows. But you know, 765 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.800 if somebody wants to come in and argue for Swerve, 766 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.480 I was kind of caught off guard by that announcement, 767 00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.320 and it does it also helps justify Prince Nana's you 768 00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.920 know existence and keeps him as a good character, which 769 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.199 I think he's done excellent work. And you know, if 770 00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:27.039 they want to, if they want to run with swerve 771 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.159 kind of go back or and then eventually build him 772 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.559 getting some revenge on Bobby Lashley, which I think eventually 773 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.920 he has to do that. It's not a bad pathway either, 774 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.519 but if out of several good choices, mine is Kenny 775 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.360 Omega period right now? 776 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:41.960 Yep. 777 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:46.320 And I mean the case is it's not now or never, 778 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.320 but it might be now or never. I mean, like yeah, 779 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.679 and so just in the sense of he was gone 780 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.360 for a while, now he's back. And I do think 781 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.719 hang Man can stay relevant in other ways without without 782 00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:58.280 the title too, So you know, kind of a lot 783 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:02.480 of things that play there. Okay, So as we march 784 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.760 through through the show, here they showed don Kallis in 785 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.400 the luxury suite, and now I like this, I mean, 786 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:08.760 this is a way I've said they got to get 787 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.000 in the ton Kallis business. Like I want he like 788 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.719 focus on a handful of people who are key going 789 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.519 into a pay per view and like I argue Don 790 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.480 Kallis is over is really good but is overrated because 791 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:26.559 he isn't consistently given the TV time and the storylines. 792 00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.679 Nor is he performing when given the opportunity at the 793 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.880 level of praise that some people give him as this 794 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:34.119 like top tier manager. But I think he has it 795 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.480 in him. But I just let's praise him when he 796 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.400 actually delivers consistently. And this was one of the best 797 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.920 uses of Don Kallis I've seen on a week when 798 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.719 he isn't just like doing a Center Center ring promo 799 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.239 where it's just like, okay, segments all about him. I 800 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.800 thought the luxury suite, the commentary a sunglass enough, a 801 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.199 little cheese. Another contrivance was Orange Cassidy having a second 802 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.000 set of sunglasses. Does he always do that or Addie 803 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.159 Notekesha is going to break one of his pairs. It's 804 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:00.599 like a little too cute and it takes you out 805 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.880 of the moment. But this was a good week for 806 00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:04.639 callus and I liked the idea of them looking from 807 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.440 the luxury suite, and because we then did move into 808 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.280 the Willows Spray Brian Keith match, and that turned out 809 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.840 to be a way to promote Ospray and the feud 810 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.320 with the Don Kallis family and the Kyle Fletcher match. 811 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.000 At the pay per view in a way that was 812 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.480 very visual, is very obvious, but it was the backdrop 813 00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.599 to a match that they set up beforehand well, and 814 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.320 that's why I liked this show. Renee interviewing Chris Jericho 815 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.039 after a good recap of Jericho's win over Bondido, Jericho 816 00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.039 responded to what happened his title defense on Collision and 817 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.800 then he explained with Don Kellis walking in that why 818 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:41.599 he was why his guy

Brian Keith was collecting the bounty, 819 00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:43.960 and Jericho vouched for him and said, trust me, Don 820 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:48.159 Brian Keith your man, and Callous said that's all he 821 00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.880 needed to hear from him, and I enjoyed the little 822 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:53.840 interplay with Jericho sneering at Renee over her attitude and 823 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.400 body language and stuff to him earlier. So this is 824 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.840 just a good, well constructed, well executed promo that set 825 00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.239 the stage for a TV match that was just there 826 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.920 to help facilitate promoting the pay per view match, but 827 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:07.840 it had a backstory to it. It didn't feel random. 828 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:11.639 So again I think this was good solid booking, like 829 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.920 just like Paint by Numbers. But that's that to me. 830 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:18.480 I'll shout up a second, the best pro wrestling is 831 00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.079 to me, paint by numbers, not try to reinvent stuff, 832 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:25.519 but using the if you hire good wrestlers who are 833 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:26.960 townsend to what they do and you know who they 834 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.400 are and they connect with the audience and the way 835 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.599 that you intend, drop them into the paint by numbers, 836 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.039 drop them into the formula because it's about the wrestlers. 837 00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.440 It's not about the booker reinventing things. It's not about 838 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.719 hot shotting, it's not about social media. But it's about 839 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.119 dropping wrestlers that fans are invested in into classic pro 840 00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:46.079 wrestling situations. And that's what that's what the show largely was, 841 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:46.880 and that's what happened here. 842 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:49.840 Dan, Yeah, absolutely, And I just even though it was 843 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:51.400 later in the show, I just don't want to forget 844 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.239 this because normally this kind of stuff I don't care 845 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:58.280 for at all. But Don's reaction to Bryce Rinsburg shoving 846 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.079 in I got lost it. I mean, it was believable, 847 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:05.320 but it was just fantastic. I'm just like, you know, 848 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:07.719 it was Bobby Heen and ESK. I mean, he was 849 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.880 acting like he was going to do something about it, 850 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.679 and he's really a coward. And I don't know I 851 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.000 just I just I just about lost it at that. 852 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.440 I really really enjoyed it. 853 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:21.800 Uh And and yeah, the stuff, the stuff with Jericho, 854 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.719 I thought was really good. Another thing where they told 855 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:27.519 you enough to know how it relates to the story 856 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.559 if if you just start watching it on a you know, 857 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:33.840 on a on a certain level, but also at the 858 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.159 same time, if you know their history, you got a 859 00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:37.920 little bit more out of it, and that's the best 860 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:41.440 kind of storytelling. So so I yeah, I liked pretty 861 00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:46.320 much everything about about Don Kallas and Fletcher too. I mean, 862 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.440 Fletcher is keeps doing a better job presenting himself as 863 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.800 a star to Kesha as well. I mean it's uh, 864 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.239 there's you know, it's it's it's it's. 865 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:55.920 All quite good. 866 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.599 The the the big guys, the whatever they call the 867 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.239 the Lance Archer, Brian Cage. 868 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:06.360 Team, the murder Machines, murder Machines. 869 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.239 May be a less great night for them, but but 870 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.719 but generally it was a good night for the folks 871 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.039 associated with Callous and Jericho. 872 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.920 I mean, Brian Keith was fine. 873 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.440 So yeah, yeah, by the way, Zach Barber harkening Beckos, 874 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:21.880 don't you occasionally walked down the hall and see one 875 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.199 of your fellow professors in a bloody heap Dan and 876 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.960 uh and then yeah, Ryan Soloreo says, yeah, it was weird. 877 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.960 No one came to him until Hangman called someone. So yeah. 878 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.239 And then even later when uh Adam Copland is getting 879 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.159 beat up, it's like, we're FDR, We're just there. Why 880 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:38.440 does it why? Why does it take so long for 881 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.360 someone else? Why is it only people in the storyline 882 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.360 who get to make the save. 883 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:43.159 Uh? 884 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.960 So yeah, I mean there's stuff to stuff to clean 885 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:50.000 up the in Zach Barber wants to give credit. You 886 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.519 forgot to mention the bloody towel away. That was a 887 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.280 key point, the foreshadowing of what did MGF do. Now 888 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:56.079 we'll get the. 889 00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.960 Bloody The bloody tell showed up five minutes before any 890 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.000 But that's what made it so bad about Christopher Daniel. 891 00:42:03.159 -->

00:42:05.679 It's like you knew it was coming, and. 892 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:08.119 Then it should have been somewhere out like under a 893 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.719 stair staircase, you know, like under like in a back hall, 894 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.679 somewhere where they like like show someone frantically running around 895 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:16.840 going where is where is CD? Where is CD? We 896 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.159 can't find them? And someone goes, oh, I hear a 897 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:23.400 noise like, again, these are the details, a connective tissue 898 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.760 that just makes it feel more believable and less just 899 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.239 kind of thrown together. You want that attention to detail. 900 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.679 I mean, if you're reading a mystery novel, watching a 901 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.159 thriller movie, whatever, you just you want to feel like 902 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.280 it got a few ives looking at it. Go and 903 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.280 let's clean this up, let's tie it just makes for 904 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.800 a better experience. Not the end of the world that 905 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:40.840 they didn't do that, but it is sort of I 906 00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:43.119 mean a non wrestling fan who isn't used to this 907 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.000 and isn't like like a knee jerk defender of everything 908 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:50.000 pro wrestling, because how dare you, like a non person 909 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:51.280 were is gonna look at that and just roll their 910 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.039 eyes and go, how you watch this? That's so fake? 911 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:55.559 Like wrestler's work so hard to make their Muslim kreo. 912 00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:58.599 Can the producers of the show work a little harder 913 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:00.639 to make the stuff they do make sense? I mean, 914 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.679 wrestlers put their bodies on the line and work very 915 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:04.679 hard to make the moves they look good. The moves 916 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.199 they do look good. Let's clean up the production too, 917 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:08.880 some of that detail work, although wrestlers are part of 918 00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:10.199 it too, I mean, we're proud about the ring stuff, 919 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:11.320 and a lot of times they don't work hard to 920 00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.320 make other stuff realistic. Like George Cassidy with the sunglasses thing, 921 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.599 it just just kind of stupid. Do you always wrestle 922 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:18.480 with the spare sunglasses? 923 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:18.639 Oh? 924 00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:20.400 You just planned that spot and that was a haha 925 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.079 moment and it took me out of the match because 926 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:23.800 it made it seem like we're here to tell jokes 927 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.199 instead of fight for a title. Okay, so will Aspray 928 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.800 Brian Keith, any any thoughts on like well, Osprey took 929 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.559 eleven minutes to beat Bran Keith. Greg Parks and I 930 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:35.239 talked on the flag Ship last night Wakecoat Prosing podcast 931 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.400 Flagship or Blue Logo show that we did over unders 932 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.280 on how long the match would last? I said thirteen minutes. 933 00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.159 Greg said ten. It was right in between. We're pretty close. 934 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.360 Should it take that long for Willas Spray to beat 935 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:48.440 Brian Keith? I thought it was fine. 936 00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:51.079 You know, I didn't like him kicking out of the oscutter, 937 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:55.400 That's the thing I didn't. I think the timing was okay, 938 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.440 but you know this guy is you're again You've got 939 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.599 a few numbers one guys, but he's in the number 940 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.920 one A conversation for sure, and uh, you know, I 941 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.480 know they're trying. You don't have to build everybody all 942 00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:10.239 the time. I mean, just the fact they could have 943 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:13.719 done a similar match, But that part I didn't like it. 944 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.280 That part that to me was a little bit too much. 945 00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:22.480 But overall, Frank collecting a bounty, he's a bounty hunter, 946 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.599 Kallus paying to try to weaken Osprey the and as 947 00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.480 I said beforehand, maybe Bran he's not looking to win. 948 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.000 Maybe he's looking to mame or cripple or just you know, 949 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:33.280 weekend while Osprey going into aw Revolution didn't really get 950 00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.559 a chance to do that. It was just a competitive match, 951 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:36.840 but it was a it was a good match. He 952 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.239 Kee's a good wrestler and Ospray obviously is an Osprey, 953 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.960 so so it's good. So then we got the clip 954 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.000 of more I May and attacking Tony store My collision. 955 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.840 They didn't they didn't overdo the recap, but you got 956 00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:50.559 an idea that you missed out on something if you 957 00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.880 didn't watch, which is what they got to do. Here's 958 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.119 what happened. But we're not going to just replay the 959 00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:58.719 whole thing for you, So check your DVR, you know, 960 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.679 go watch online, start watching US on Saturday. The announcers 961 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.239 reacted to it, and ex

Caliber said Tony Storm would 962 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.000 not be here tonight because she's a waiting medical evaluation 963 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.719 before she can travel again. We're about to go to 964 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.039 a commercial break. Why listened to commercial breaks? When you 965 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.840 can go VIP and experience our shows with the ads 966 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.400 and plugs removed. Pw torch dot com slash go VIP. 967 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.000 That's PW torch dot com slash go vip for full details, 968 00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:26.519 or go to Patreon Patreon dot com slash PW Torch. 969 00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.480 VIP rate start as low as four dollars in ninety 970 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.519 nine cents to remove the ads and plugs through Patreon. 971 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.599 Full VIP membership starts at nine dollars in ninety nine 972 00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.559 cents to treat yourself to a streamlined, ad unplug free 973 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:43.719 listening experience with a VIP or Patreon membership. Then we 974 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:48.400 had last week we talked about Momo Atanabe and weather 975 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.480 fans would be invested in her, and so we get 976 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:55.639 a backstage segment of stardom footage of her winning, earning 977 00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.360 the right to a title match, and then choosing a 978 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.800 match with Mercedes, and then they showed Mercedes stage, and 979 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:06.320 then Billy Starks walked in unidentified at first, no, another contrivance. 980 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.760 When do wrestlers ever just walk into a live interview? 981 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:13.960 That's incredibly unprofessional. It's rarely done, and it only happens 982 00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.079 when there's an angle. So I thought that was. 983 00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.840 Like, did it once and there's a famous blooper. 984 00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.880 But it's a blooper, and so I'll give an example 985 00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.679 of how easy it is to clean it up. Mercedes 986 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.599 in the middle of her promo, She's like, you know, uh, 987 00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:38.119 at this at aw Revolution, I'm gonna be champion. Who's that? Why? 988 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.199 What do you? Why are you standing so close to me? 989 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:42.639 This is my who is this? Who is this? Woman? 990 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.960 Billy comes into the picture. Super easy to fix, Like, 991 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.159 this is not hard stuff. That's that's the part that 992 00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.280 frustrates me is all this you know, little straight in 993 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.199 your tie stuff. It's so easy to fix and every instance, 994 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:56.920 like every instance is backstage stuff, and it just feels 995 00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:58.960

like And the reason I'm kinds sensitive to it too, 996 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:00.320 not only because I think it hurts the product in 997 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.840 the immersive experience, but I feel it's a product of 998 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.440 looking down at the fans. I really think they think 999 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:07.480 the fans won't care about that stuff, that they're not 1000 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:11.159 sophisticated enough to care. It's it's detail, whek, it's nitpicky, 1001 00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:13.880 And I do think it's looking down at the fans. 1002 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.719 I think if they respected the audience more, they would 1003 00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:18.880 have more attention to detail. And I think that they 1004 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:22.199 think our fans aren't smart enough to notice these contrivances, 1005 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.960 and I think it limits the audience. And it's okay 1006 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:26.920 if you don't care about that stuff. I'm just my 1007 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.440 My perspective analyzing the business is what will help it 1008 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.599 grow and what make the product better. It's not to 1009 00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.079 shame you if you like something I think isn't is 1010 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:37.559 sloppy or not good for drawing money. I teach their 1011 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.559 own in that respect. But do to B and A, 1012 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:42.920 W and T and everybody that could be better about 1013 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:43.360 this stuff? 1014 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:43.960 No? 1015 00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.119 Absolutely, yeah, So what do you think of a segment 1016 00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:48.199 with what ton of me? What ton of a? 1017 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:53.559 I mean, package was okay, it's it's it's not a hit. Wait, 1018 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.360 I mean, it's just it's just there. And I don't 1019 00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:59.320 think I don't I know she's a good wrestler. I 1020 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.639 do I mean I watched the match the although that 1021 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:04.679 match in New Japan was kind of rushed, the one 1022 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.199 that she won to get the shot. I watched that 1023 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.519 that was on the Tokyo Dome. I think, like in 1024 00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.559 the pre show, and I watched that live. I even 1025 00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:13.519 want to say, but. 1026 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.119 You know, you go back to. 1027 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.320 Two whether it was the right move not to put 1028 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:24.840 Harley Cameron over in Australia, and I think that a 1029 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.760 rematch would have more intrigued than this. But they had 1030 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.519 a plan and they're sticking with it. It's not doing 1031 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.559 that much for me. And again I think it will 1032 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:36.599 be a really good match. I don't really doubt that. 1033 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:42.239 But yeah, So a couple of things. One speaking of 1034 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.000 a Trivince's SF Niners fan twenty three, So she happened 1035 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.679 to drop TBS, the TBS Belt of all belts, all right, 1036 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.320 yes that is one of them. This is another one 1037 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.320 thing I didn't like. And I noticed Billy Kyle Fassel 1038 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.840 says Billy was drinking water out of a coffee cup too, 1039 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.360 was a disposable cop cup with a lid on it, like, 1040 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.719 oh it's hot, I need a lid, and it was 1041 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:09.880 water Like what this is one to one ta nabe. 1042 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.159 I'm getting my pronunciation corrected from Zach. I've in my 1043 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.639 spelling of it. I do this as an excuse. I 1044 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:19.840 wish I was better about it. I when I learned 1045 00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:24.719 to spell names, I in my head say them phonetically 1046 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.519 enough so I get the spelling right. But then when 1047 00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.840 I actually have to say them, I say it in 1048 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.320 the phonetic way that helps me spell them correctly. And 1049 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.840 so some of the Japanese names. That's kind of why 1050 00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:36.079 I have these like bad habits when I when I 1051 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:41.039 say things wrong. But anyway, so people pointing that out. 1052 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.719 So then Zach Barber said, I chuckle that momo coming 1053 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:47.480 in armed with a bat. Barry Wood says, Wade's idea 1054 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.079 is good for Mercedes and Billy Starks, but his acting 1055 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.320 is as bad as Mercedes. That's why they don't do that. 1056 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.239 I wasn't trying to act good. Give me. I'm not 1057 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.920 saying if I was trying, it would be great. It's 1058 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:01.519 not my profession. But I will say mercedes profession is 1059 00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:03.519 acting in front of a camera, and she's done it 1060 00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:06.320 for ten plus years, and I think you can get 1061 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.000 a take that looks that looks good. I don't think that. 1062 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.239 I don't think what they did required any less acting. 1063 00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:14.639 It just didn't make logical sense. What I did didn't 1064 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:19.880 require any extra acting. I am David Bryant, the author 1065 00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:23.039 of AW Collision Hits in Mississaid says, also, don't finish 1066 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.880 a sketch by smiling, freezing in place, and staring at

1067 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:30.519 the camera. No human does that. David has been to 1068 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:35.760 make an argument AW ANDW should hire professional like producers 1069 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.559 and directors who've worked in TV and theater and really 1070 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:44.760 shore up the acting and the stage craft of backstage segments. 1071 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:48.039 I remember after the XFL, the original XFL press conference 1072 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:51.159 when they introduced Jesse Ventures their color commentator, and I 1073 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.400 taught Fivincent Matn for a while after the press conference, 1074 00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:55.960 to the point where his people were like trying to 1075 00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:57.679 pull him away from me because he was like gabbing 1076 00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:59.679 with me too much, and he was I remember it 1077 00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.119 was minting the acting ability of wrestlers at that stage, 1078 00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.039 So put yourself when the XBO is launching and wrestling 1079 00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:08.480 was changing into a lot more, asking a lot more 1080 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:10.719 of the wrestlers, and Vince was just like, you know, wait, 1081 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:14.320 that's asking you know these wrestlers trained to wrestle in cupromos, 1082 00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.199 but acting isn't their thing, and it's it's tough, and 1083 00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.960 we had something we need to adjust to. But now 1084 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.760 you know what you're what's being going to be asked 1085 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.440 of you, and you know acting. Some wrestlers go take 1086 00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:26.559 acting classes to get better, but I like to end 1087 00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.719 up bringing in some professional people who aren't wrestling, people 1088 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.360 just going this, this won't make TV in any other genre. 1089 00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:34.880 Let's clean this up and work with them. 1090 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:38.519 Daan No, I think that's fine. 1091 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:42.880 My personal preference is the New Japan presentation where you 1092 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.079 just have and it's hard to replicate on a weekly 1093 00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:47.639 TV show. 1094 00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:49.800 But I do wish they would do. 1095 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:53.599 More, not these kind of bizarro press conferences that they do, 1096 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.960 but character press conferences after their matches, and at New 1097 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.960 Japan you have almost others back are going on when 1098 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.400 they do it. I mean, they'll do it live and 1099 00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:05.840 there's a lot of great content that comes out of that, 1100 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.880 because if you're a really good wrestler, you should still 1101 00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:11.559 be in the moment and believe what you just did 1102 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:14.840 in terms of your character. And I you know, I 1103 00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:19.199 prefer that type of approach myself, So that's not really arguing, 1104 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.400 but that's just a different way of doing it. 1105 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.559 Yeah, all right, So yeah, I don't know that there's 1106 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:28.880 a lot of AW can do to get people to 1107 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.079 care about moment going into that match. But they're the 1108 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.159 positive is and it's part of aw's brand is we 1109 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.159 are an international company. We're not just a self contained 1110 00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:41.280 American based company, and we have a bit of an 1111 00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.400 open door policy. Although NXT's is giving them a run 1112 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:45.840 for their money with all these TNA you know, interpromotional 1113 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.159 matches X title depended last night on NXT on the CW, 1114 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:51.880 But they want to give the idea that we're we're 1115 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.159 an American based company that recognizing all recognized as stardom 1116 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.559 in New Japan and all these other international companies. They're 1117 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:02.360 not about you know, European independence too. So having it 1118 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:04.719 adds a little prestige, I guess to the title. It's 1119 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.599 not a key match for the pay per view, They're 1120 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:09.760 gonna sell it in other ways and so they do 1121 00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:13.000 like to drop in a little international credibility boost here 1122 00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.960 and there, and so it has a positive and you 1123 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:17.639 know last week we talked, well they didn't do much 1124 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:20.679 to explain. I mean they said, you know, MoMA won 1125 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.400 this tournament, and I mean set the stage right, she 1126 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.440 got the title match, But how do you get people 1127 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.760 to care about her? I just don't know that you can, 1128 00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:29.079 you know. I mean it's almost baked into deciding to 1129 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:29.639 do this match. 1130 00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:31.960 DN. Yeah, and. 1131 00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:36.440 They're doing enough to make it seem like it's a 1132 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.119 reasonably big deal and they probably don't need to do anymore. 1133 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:43.039 This is this is the bed they've made. Just go 1134 00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.199 with it. I suppose that's fine. 1135 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:48.280 All right. So then we had the clunky Outrunners versus 1136 00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.480

Murder Machines match with take team title contention on the 1137 00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:55.280 line when Outrunners one in nine minutes and Upset win. 1138 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.960 This this stupid thing where the entrance music plays and 1139 00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.000 wrestler comes out and then and on the stage, and 1140 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.320 then a wrestler who's about to do a finishing move 1141 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.559 decides to stop in their tracks and not do it. 1142 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:09.239 Lance Archer did it. He froze, He dropped Floyd, and 1143 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.519 then Floyd rolled up a distracted Archer for a threecount. 1144 00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:14.239 It's a trope. It's tired, it was stupid to begin with. 1145 00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:16.920 It makes wrestlers who are supposed to be these like 1146 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:21.119 murder monsters look like idiots, and everybody does it like 1147 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.639 I mean, it's like, it's not just Archer and it's 1148 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:25.719 not just aw But come on, there's got to be 1149 00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.239 a better way to tell your stories than this. 1150 00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:27.519 Dan. 1151 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.840 I'm afraid Tod Martin's gonna watch this and be disappointed 1152 00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:35.239 in me for not getting enough outrage, because he does 1153 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.199 a great job of just talking about how colossally stupid 1154 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:39.000 these things are. 1155 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:39.679 And it is. 1156 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:41.920 But I'm It's been a long couple of days and 1157 00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:43.639 I'm tired, and I can't get the outrage. 1158 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.599 But it was bad, and it was it. 1159 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.159 It doesn't protect Lance Archer to make him look like a. 1160 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:51.679 Fool like that help exactly. 1161 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.400 Yes, this idea that somehow what we're protecting them because 1162 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:58.639 they should lose, that's not the way to go about it. 1163 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:01.360 I mean, you can do roll up. I suppose, you know, 1164 00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:05.400 and his buddy his partner somehow distracts him or something, 1165 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.039 But that just makes him look like a complete child 1166 00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:13.679 in terms of mentality and ability to wrestle and intelligence. 1167 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:19.039 So and I'll say this too, like the stuff they 1168 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.119 did with the University of Nebraska Omaha team was awesome, 1169 00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:27.000 and the Sports Center stuff was awesome, and somehow, and 1170 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:29.559 I'm some people say I'm too hard at the caliber. 1171 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:32.760 I just I didn't like the way he presented it. 1172 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:35.639 I just like, I don't I can't even put my 1173 00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.400 finger on it. Way, but I was like, first of all, 1174 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:40.920 I felt like they should have brought it up immediately 1175 00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:44.719 open to the show, like you're once they brought up 1176 00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:48.519 the match and say, as featured on Sports Center show 1177 00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:52.159 that's a thirty twenty second clip show it twice like this. 1178 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.920 They were hilarious in that, and it's like, Okay, maybe 1179 00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:57.840 you don't want your wrestlers to be hilarious, then you 1180 00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:00.599 shouldn't hire these guys. Like, if you're going to be 1181 00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:02.920 in the outrunners business, then go ahead and be in 1182 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:06.679 the Outrunners business. And what they do for that audience 1183 00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:09.800 is very entertaining, and I understand people may not like it, 1184 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:13.199 but you don't. It's not better to like just kind 1185 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.719 of downplay it. If you're gonna do it, do it. 1186 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:18.760 And they ignored it at the beginning of the show, 1187 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:22.199 and then when he introduced it, it just it felt contrived. 1188 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:24.639 And then the only part that didn't feel contrived is 1189 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:26.639 when he said task calling him at one in the 1190 00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:28.960 morning to tell him about it, because task. 1191 00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:30.280 Probably did see it and think it was cool. 1192 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:33.679 Yeah, although I thought they didn't get enough out of that. 1193 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:36.679 Do people still watch Sports Center or is everyone just watching 1194 00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:37.679 clips online? 1195 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:37.840 Like? 1196 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:39.079 Is that a generational thing? 1197 00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:39.239 Is? 1198 00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:40.920 I think it's less important than it used to be, 1199 00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:42.800 but it's still I just agree with you if you're 1200 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.119 gonna do it, if you're gonna push you outrunners and 1201 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.679 you're gonna do a Sports Center moment and make it 1202 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:48.519 feel important. 1203 00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:49.280 Yeah, to be. 1204 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:53.480 Fair, I saw it on on Twitter, and I don't 1205 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.559 watch Sports Center, but now if it was a Scott 1206 00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:57.280 Van Pelt show, people still watch. 1207 00:56:57.159 --> 00:56:57.920 That to some degree. 1208 00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.880 But I think it was just the random Sports Center 1209 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.000 that pray has audience of a couple hundred thousand

people 1210 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:06.360 or one hundred thousand people if that. 1211 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:06.800 Yeah. 1212 00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:09.199 So, Kyle Fassel notes the biggest heel the night was 1213 00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:11.519 a guy who plays the entrance music. And that's another thing. 1214 00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:13.760 It's not a contrivance, but it just makes no sense. 1215 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.039 In the middle of the match, somebody in aw pushed 1216 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:20.159 a button to play Hurtzity Kids music in the middle 1217 00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:25.599 of a match. You should play music after matches, but 1218 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.440 during a match you can't. Have the company as co 1219 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.360 conspirators and trying to screw around. I mean, there were 1220 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:32.639 stakes in this match, and the companies like, oh, wrestlers 1221 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:34.000 are coming out to the ringhorn part of the match, 1222 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.960 we better play their music. It's like, it's not to 1223 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.599 take off Archer's character off the hook for being distracted 1224 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.840 by it, but that just shouldn't it doesn't make any sense, 1225 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.679 Like just run everything through that doesn't make sense filter 1226 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.480 before you er it, and honestly like have a does 1227 00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:51.880 this make sense filter? And think fresh about everything just 1228 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:53.480 because you have a habit of doing it. And we're 1229 00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:55.199 just showing up, you know, the producers and are showing 1230 00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:57.440 up to their job, going through the motions, collecting their paycheck. 1231 00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.559 Can't wait till they can go off drinks afterwards, whatever 1232 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:03.480 their routine is. It's Tony Kahn's job or the people 1233 00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:05.679 he hires to care enough to run things through the 1234 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.360 does this make sense filter? And it's you know, I've 1235 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.440 been harping on you know, pin breakups a lot of 1236 00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:13.199 you know where like rest are just like hit someone 1237 00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.800 on the back. The cover's still there, the shoulders are 1238 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:17.679 still done, and the rest stops because some third person 1239 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:19.519 entered and hit somebody on the back. It looked dumb, 1240 00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.719 it got sloppy. Over the decades, they's cleaned it up, 1241 00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:26.440 like and and like the breakups now are what I wanted. 1242 00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.360 Like they're fierce, they're hard hitting, and they're believable and 1243 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.320 and so and it makes it just like it's clearly 1244 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:38.800 clearly better and was always there to be done. It's 1245 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.800 easy to do. And so that's an example. You clean 1246 00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:43.400 all this stuff up, and it's just it's a better product. 1247 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.159 And so let's figure out a better way to distract 1248 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:45.679 people or. 1249 00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:49.280 Again, do finish work for I mean, this takes me 1250 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:50.199 ten seconds. 1251 00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:51.760 Yep, play the me. 1252 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.440 I wouldn't do this, don't get me wrong, I know. 1253 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:58.639 It's just okay, you play the music. Bobby Lashley and 1254 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:03.559 Shelton come out. They go back to the back where 1255 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.000 MVP is like shoving the producer guy that play. He 1256 00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:10.280 doesn't have to be out there with him. He could 1257 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:12.360 be the guy that made him play the music, because 1258 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:15.320 they did. Clearly the story is they wanted to distract 1259 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:16.639 the murder machines. 1260 00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:17.079 Yep. 1261 00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:20.920 So okay, those two guys come out and MVP is 1262 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.400 back there forcing the producer to play the music. This 1263 00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:26.079 is not hard, This is not I mean, we seem 1264 00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:27.719 to get on some of these rants every time I 1265 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.280 do this show, and that is an indictment on aaw 1266 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:33.599 which I generally enjoy. And it's like, I mean, it 1267 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:36.719 took me five seconds to think of that. If you're 1268 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:40.800 producing the show and you got all day, get somebody 1269 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.559 to you know, to do it, I. 1270 00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:49.159 Mean, yeah, romy noodle with a very weak but nice, 1271 00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:51.599 nice tried defense. If the hurt business music kid in 1272 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:55.960 Wade's house and Lashley walked in the studio, he'd freeze too. Yes, 1273 00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:58.440 that'd be breaking into my house. And I'm not on 1274 00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:00.199 the virgin winning a match. But I got to tell you, 1275 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.920 if I was doing something very very important, like trying 1276 01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:06.760 to equivalent in my occupation of winning a match that 1277 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:08.679 could earn me a take team title shot, and I 1278 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:12.599 saw Lashley across the street like parks car, and all 1279 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.920 I had was eight more seconds to complete my task 1280 01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:19.039 and I would win whatever I was trying to win, 1281 01:00:19.119 -->

01:00:20.840 or accomplish what I was trying accomplish. It was very 1282 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:22.599 important for me I'd finished what I was doing. 1283 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.239 For you, You're in Waterloo and you're interviewing Sergeant Slaughters 1284 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.159 and you're sitting at the table and they play that 1285 01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:29.880 music on a backer and you might look up, but 1286 01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:31.199 you're gonna keep doing your job. 1287 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.000 Yeah, And there isn't an imminent threat like this is 1288 01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:37.039 last year. Didn't show up like run into the ring 1289 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.519 or show up with like there's no imminent threat. He's 1290 01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.440 a long way away. Rom and stop excusing this crap. Seriously. 1291 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:45.039 If you want AW to grow and you want to 1292 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:48.880 defend them, don't defend obvious crap. And it's WWW doing 1293 01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:50.880 it too, So this is not it's not a brand 1294 01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:52.679 loyalty thing too. 1295 01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:00.880 I'm Chris Maitland and I'm Justin McClelland we host Wrestling 1296 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.159 Coast to Coast, where we scour the wrestling scene to 1297 01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:05.239 find the best wrestling from the smallest places. 1298 01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.360 There are thousands of matches happening every week, so Wrestling 1299 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:10.559 Coast to Coast is here to discover the men and 1300 01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.039 women who could be big time stars in a few years. 1301 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:16.199 There are plenty of podcasts to voters at ww and AW, 1302 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.360 but what's happening in the armories and gymnasiums local wrestling 1303 01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:20.639 hotspots around the country. 1304 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:22.880 We can't wait to help you find the true hidden 1305 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.159 gems of the wrestling world. Plus you can hear Chris 1306 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:27.280 complain about bad referees. 1307 01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:28.960 And justin bemoaning dogpow fins. 1308 01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:31.519 Don't forget my feudal search to see a Blue Thunderbomb 1309 01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:32.119 win a match? 1310 01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:34.039 How can I like? The name? 1311 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:36.960 Says we cover the hottest independent promotions from around the country, 1312 01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:41.719 such as Prestige Action, West Coast, Pro, Revolver, and Beyond Wrestling. 1313 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.480 Actually, Chris, I think we stick pretty much too Wrestling. 1314 01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:47.039 No, I mean Beyond Wrestling out of Wooster, oh right. 1315 01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:49.679 Our show's part of the PW Torch Daily Cast lineup 1316 01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.719 and typically drops on Thursdays. Search PW Torch in your 1317 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.639 podcast app, as subscribed to the PW Torch Daily Cast, 1318 01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:59.239 or stream our shows directly from PW touch dot com. 1319 01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:02.239 Find full details on the PW Torch Daily Cast lineup 1320 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:11.440 at PW Torchdailycast dot com. 1321 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:14.840 Yeah, standard deviation says I think AW would better if 1322 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:16.920 everyone spent more time together during the week to brainstorm 1323 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:20.760 and pick apart each other's segments like if I'm if 1324 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:22.880 my job was a trappiece artist to catch somebody and 1325 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:26.360 then some like Nemesis of Mine showed up in the crowd. 1326 01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:28.320 I'm not gonna like just let the person drop and 1327 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:30.039 die and be like, oh, they're in the crowd, Okay, 1328 01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:32.119 let me catch this person. They're way up there in 1329 01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.320 the in the mezzanine. I'm fine, I'm gonna finish my job. 1330 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:40.519 It's in the So that's not even sorry. Ramen Noodle 1331 01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:44.559 says it with Joe Holy, okay, well, I Romen with 1332 01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.039 your track record. Sometimes you come in like hard on 1333 01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:49.679 our our criticism, acting like we're nitpicking when what we're 1334 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.400 trying to do is genuinely help the product. 1335 01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:53.320 But I mean, you brought it up earlier that way, 1336 01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:58.960 and it's like it shouldn't just be the enemies saving 1337 01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:03.159 or the buddy saving their buddy. I mean, Mid South 1338 01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:06.599 Wrestling is my favorite show in the history watching this stuff, 1339 01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:10.760 and it was always it usually would start out with 1340 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.599 the losers, but then all the good guys would come 1341 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:15.519 in and help the other good guys like it was 1342 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:19.000 never oh, this isn't my feud, so I'm gonna you know, 1343 01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.280 or they made a reason like Okay, this guy went 1344 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.440 and helped the children's home and he's not longer in 1345 01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:27.960 the building or something. Otherwise, the good guys came and 1346 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:29.039 helped the good guys. 1347 01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:32.199 Yes, I'm sorry Roman Noodle. If I came on to 1348 01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:35.079 he's like, it went right over your head, and he's like, 1349 01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:37.199 it's a joke. My goodness. If it was a joke, 1350 01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:38.880 I didn't get it. And part of it is the bag. 1351 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:41.639 It is a little

bit of history, you know, with 1352 01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:45.920 you running in defending AW. But I apologize I probably did. 1353 01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:48.239 I take you at your word that was totally a 1354 01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:50.400 joke because it was so absurd. I should have known better, 1355 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.760 you're smarter, you're smarter than to make that actual argument. 1356 01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:56.280 But people make that kind of different defensive AW sloppiness sometimes, 1357 01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:59.519 So all right, deep breath. By the way, this match, 1358 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:01.119 I know the out Runners are kind of cult heroes, 1359 01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:03.159 but my god, they're bad in the ring. Like tonight 1360 01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:08.400 they were Cage were sloppy. This was not a good chemistry. 1361 01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:12.760 They were exposed. I didn't realize that that was there. 1362 01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:17.360 And you know, again, you can still have them on 1363 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.960 the show at a certain level, but you need to 1364 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.719 be aware of limitations. 1365 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:25.599 And I mean that one was not good. 1366 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.360 And they're just like that, like Archer just stood around 1367 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:30.280 like waiting for something to happen. 1368 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.599 There was a lot of dead spots in that match. 1369 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:35.639 It and things looked. 1370 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:39.920 Forums for a week looking and the timing of shoving 1371 01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:43.199 whatever the spot was, knocking Floyd, knocking Arch other ring 1372 01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:45.840 or whatever it was, it was just like, oh no 1373 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:47.559 truth jump cage as he set up a power bottle 1374 01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:49.000 in the cage and make them tumble to the floor. 1375 01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:51.559 There's like all kinds of spots which just it looked 1376 01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:53.639 like this like half speed dry run with guys who 1377 01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:55.159 are trying to learn to wrestle, and there's a panel 1378 01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:56.880 of people critiquing their moves like. It didn't look like 1379 01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:01.440 it was ready for live TV. So yeah, Romano says, 1380 01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:03.119 I'm sure you'll get a legit reason to crash out 1381 01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:05.239 on me before the night is over. Probably, yeah, all right, 1382 01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:09.559 and he says no peace, no harm, or peace, no harm, 1383 01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:12.320 no foul. All right, We're all good. The the grudge match, 1384 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.280 the non sanction grudge match. After the post show was off, 1385 01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:18.880 Kyle Fassel does add the outrunners didn't look good work wise, Okay, 1386 01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:20.360 So then we had a video package on Moxley and 1387 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.440 colpland it was good. It was brief, but it made 1388 01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:24.719 it feel like important because they bothered to do a 1389 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:28.280 video package and uh, and then we had the line 1390 01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:30.239 from Claudia which I liked, which is you're not hunting 1391 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:33.840 us now, now it's me hunting you, which laid the 1392 01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:39.039 groundwork for for what came later. And so then we 1393 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:43.039 go to some some clips of of Ricochet last week. 1394 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:45.760 Then Swerve came out to respond to the what the 1395 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:49.440 Nana exchange with Ricochet? And this is where Rickhet kind 1396 01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:50.840 of said NOTA saying I should go to the world 1397 01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:53.559 title again and be focused on that, and I want 1398 01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:56.800 to be and not A revealed I got a title match. 1399 01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:59.119 It's Ricochet against Swerve. Winner gets an a w world 1400 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.960 title match. It doesn't mean it's at the exclusion of 1401 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:03.719 other more deserving people, but it's a bit of a 1402 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.400 stretch in the kind of canon narrative of Ricochet for 1403 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.400 him to be one win away from a world title match. 1404 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:13.639 But it's a high stakes match. And Dan, what do 1405 01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:15.039 you think of the setup and what do you think 1406 01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:17.960 is going on with nanas saying if you don't win, 1407 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:21.199 I don't know, I don't know if I can do 1408 01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:23.880 this anymore? Is this teasing a heel turn? Maybe Nana 1409 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.320 goes to Ricochet. They're telling a story there because not 1410 01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:29.119 as a heel manager with Rick set would feel like 1411 01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.880 blasphemous for people who know not as history and the 1412 01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:34.280 Rick Achet stealing the robe and all that. I don't 1413 01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:35.400 know that I'm going to buy it if that's the 1414 01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:37.880 direction they're going, but I can't help but imagine that 1415 01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:40.400 as one of the possibilities of what they what they're 1416 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:41.039 planning seats for. 1417 01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:44.960 I mean, I prefer the tough love scenario and that 1418 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:50.960 swerve comes through, but that's certainly a possibility. Everything that 1419 01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:55.559 was presented was presented really well. I thought this was 1420 01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.199 a really good segment on everybody's part, and I think 1421 01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:03.639 we brought

that up earlier. So yeah, I don't know 1422 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:07.599 where it's going. I would, you know, I don't see 1423 01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:09.360 a need for a breakup here. I think they're a 1424 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:11.119 really good, good tandem. 1425 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:18.559 I was skeptical of Prince Nana as a babyface manager. 1426 01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:20.239 It felt like, well, that's he's just going to be 1427 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:25.280 an unneeded appendage, and it's actually worked out well. I 1428 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.159 think there's an affection for him, and I wouldn't be 1429 01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:29.599 in any rush to break up the act. I think, yeah, 1430 01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:31.239 it's just where it's act. So hopefully that's not what 1431 01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:34.000 they're doing. David Bryan says in the chat, I like 1432 01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:35.880 not a lot better when he's being serious. 1433 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:37.000 I do too. 1434 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.320 I think there's a time to be playful and joyful 1435 01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.440 and and all of that. But I you know, I 1436 01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:45.199 like him when he's more serious too, instead of just 1437 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.199 because he came across like this is what I do, 1438 01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:49.840 and I have put no thought into it. It's just 1439 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:52.039 my My music soars music hits. I come out and 1440 01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:54.079 I do the silly dance. People go nuts. But it 1441 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.320 wasn't There's no growth, there was no depth. There's some 1442 01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:58.960 depth here. The Robe storyline has brought it out. I'm 1443 01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:03.159 I'm with with David on this one. So yeah, any 1444 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:04.039 quick thoughts on that. 1445 01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.000 I mean, I think it's just been a gradual thing 1446 01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:10.760 all through the Danielson stuff, through the Moxley stuff. I 1447 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:15.760 mean they have grown together. And yeah, when Nana first 1448 01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:18.680 came in with Swerve, I was a little more I 1449 01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:20.600 never disliked it, but I was a little more indifferent 1450 01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:23.359 toward it. Now I think they really help each other, 1451 01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:26.880 and so I would disagree. I hope, I hope this 1452 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.279 is a there's no reason to break these this this 1453 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:31.560 group up for sure. 1454 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:35.159 Have they done a good enough job explaining the robe 1455 01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:37.479 or is it just baked into the context. Do you 1456 01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:39.159 need to know the whole story and have it recap 1457 01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:43.119 for you. They've done enough since the initial incident. I 1458 01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.680 think for Nana say that means a lot, and there's 1459 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.920 a big history with it, and everybody is treating it 1460 01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:50.600 like a big deal because Barry Wood says, I've been 1461 01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:52.319 watching wrestling for thirty years, ain't never heard of that 1462 01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:55.880 robe till last week, but I and then King of 1463 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.079 Strunk's style goes, yeah, I don't get the whole rope 1464 01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:02.039 thing at all. Do they need to make it more 1465 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.560 explicit and maybe just six caliber going you know that 1466 01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:07.560 that robe has been you know whatever, you know, I 1467 01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:09.319 don't just I feel. 1468 01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:14.199 Like they've been doing that, you know, either ex caliber 1469 01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:16.960 or there was maybe a package. I want to say, 1470 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:23.399 on Collision, Nana himself told Swerve that if you didn't 1471 01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:26.359 see them back and forth, I think was also on Collision, 1472 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.359 maybe when Nana approached Swerve and asked them to give 1473 01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:32.479 the road back, you know obviously knew it wasn't going 1474 01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:34.640 to do it, but it was presented really nicely and 1475 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:40.479 really seriously. So yeah, I think it's uh, I think 1476 01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:44.279 it's good. I don't think I think if you you know, 1477 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:46.720 they showed a little bit of a video history of it, 1478 01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:49.760 but I think you can overdo that and there's dimension returns. 1479 01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:53.760 Honestly, I think they've just made it like. This is 1480 01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:57.319 the difference between if they did it initially and expected 1481 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:01.439 everyone to react and did follow up, I'd be like, well, 1482 01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:04.239 they're playing to a very small audience and they ought 1483 01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:08.840 to explain it before they expect to payoff. But the 1484 01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:10.880 fact is is when they first did it, there wasn't 1485 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:14.479 enough context. Since then they've given a context, and because 1486 01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.039 they've invested time in it, now there is enough context 1487 01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:20.920 that I feel like everyone should be caught up enough 1488 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:22.640 if you're watching the product, I don't think you just 1489 01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:27.640 totally give up on you know, like just you know, excever, 1490 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:30.399 you can still have someone you know, just say yeah, 1491 01:10:30.439 --> 01:10:32.760 that history of that robe Nana is really important. Just 1492 01:10:33.239 -->

01:10:35.439 at some point you can't re explain it every time. 1493 01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:38.199 So now they've done enough to just tell you it's important. 1494 01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:40.439 If you don't know why, that's not essential as long 1495 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:44.079 as everyone's acting that way. Rom and Noodle said it's 1496 01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:46.319 not his robe number one and number two it looks 1497 01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:48.840 like a jackass wearing it. What more do you need? 1498 01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:51.399 And there is a sense as long as it's an 1499 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:53.800 ongoing storyline and they're paying reverence to the robe and 1500 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:55.960 it's really important Nanna and Ricochet is being a jerk 1501 01:10:56.000 --> 01:11:01.119 for having commandeered it and wearing it. I'm I'm fine 1502 01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:04.880 with where they are with it too. Yeah, but others, 1503 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:06.159 you know what you say, you know they've done enough. 1504 01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:09.640 Kyle Fassel said, I'd still like more rope context, and 1505 01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:11.600 King of Strong Stell says, yeah, I don't get the 1506 01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:13.239 rope thing at all. So I mean, maybe that's just 1507 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.159 aw thinks they did enough. Maybe the chat room is indicating, 1508 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.800 is anecdotally indicative of maybe a little bit more, you know, 1509 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:23.039 just every once in a while kind of keep adding 1510 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:27.920 a little context or even it can even be expository 1511 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.680 where Ricochet or Ricochet can say, I know what this 1512 01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:34.159 robe means to you because of this, or Swerve can 1513 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:36.840 go you know none of that, I know because of 1514 01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:39.039 this that road means so much like you just kind 1515 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:41.119 of bake it in in the flow of conversation to 1516 01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:46.079 just kind of remind people so Dan, we haven't talked 1517 01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:52.800 since Ricochet's really getting a character. King of Strong Style 1518 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:54.720 says I'm happy Ricchet is getting TV time, glad to 1519 01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:56.119 see there are stakes in the match, but I can't 1520 01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:58.800 take him seriously. This feels mid card, not main event. 1521 01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:01.840 GWFS being ninety ninety two says Ricochet is doing the 1522 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:05.880 best work of his career. Where are you on that? 1523 01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:18.000 He's great. He's very obnoxious, he's very annoying, he's very unlikable, 1524 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:24.279 but he's also pretty consistent character. Like I thought he 1525 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:27.920 was going all cheap heat and gonna have a la 1526 01:12:28.039 -->

01:12:31.840 Dodgers had on and hey, the Eagles have heat with me. 1527 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:34.319 I mean, you know, we're still the best. 1528 01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:37.920 Didn't bring it off for the last Hey, you know 1529 01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:40.560 you may have him many four out of e win 1530 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:42.039 three out of six Super Bowls. 1531 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:42.840 You're doing all right. 1532 01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:46.399 People are over overstating our demise. We're going to be 1533 01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:50.279 just fine and uh, but that was their day. He 1534 01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:53.439 talked his trash and he deserves to. I remember when 1535 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:55.039 we saw him up in the water and he had 1536 01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:58.239 his Eagles stuff on, So it's that's his team. 1537 01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:00.600 Good for him. He consider stick with it. 1538 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.439 But yeah, I mean his laugh is amazing and that's 1539 01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:07.560 that's what are annoying, is what Zack said in the chat. 1540 01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:10.439 But I would say annoying and amazing, Like I am 1541 01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:12.039 a I'm. 1542 01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:14.800 A big fan of his character, and I think he fits. 1543 01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.119 I think he fits in the upper part of the 1544 01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:18.920 card because he is such a good heel. 1545 01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:24.199 And last week I thought it was clearly a work 1546 01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:27.239 in progress, would ideally have been curated a little bit. 1547 01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:29.199 But he's at the stage of trying to find his voice, 1548 01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:33.960 find his lane as a character. I don't it seems 1549 01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.039 like back in a compliment or a needless insult on 1550 01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:38.640 a hut frame When I said I think he heard 1551 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:40.880 from now he'll cringe watching it if he keeps progressing, 1552 01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:42.800 Like I don't think he's he was a finished product 1553 01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:46.119 last week. But I don't think there's any doubt he's 1554 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.239 portraying himself in a way that's going to elicit the 1555 01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:50.239 type of feet that a heel in his position should 1556 01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:53.800 be going for. The laugh Initially was like, what is that? 1557 01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:56.359 But he entered heel yet and now you see it's 1558 01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:59.479 part of his act and it was portending what is 1559 01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:02.840 yet to come? This guy's getting obnoxious. He's getting he's 1560 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:06.880 getting too comfortable in a way that isn't as reserved 1561 01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:10.199 and polite as he seem to most often be in WWE. 1562 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:12.920 And so it feels like we're seeing this natural progression 1563 01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:15.119 and the laugh is a thing that he thinks is 1564 01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:18.439 cool and it isn't because of how he does it 1565 01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:18.960 and who he is. 1566 01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:22.680 I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression the 1567 01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:25.880 whole time he's been in AW he's kind of subtly 1568 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:30.600 been a heel, and it just you had plausible deniability 1569 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:36.680 until until just now. And that that is my That 1570 01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:41.640 is my opinion on it. Oh my gosh. 1571 01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:43.319 Oh what what's what's the college sports news? 1572 01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:44.600 Texas Arkansas? 1573 01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:46.680 Texas dunked it at the buzzer to win, and they 1574 01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:49.680 dunked it a zero point two seconds after the buzzer, 1575 01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:50.760 So we're going to overtime? 1576 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:54.880 Wow? Yeah, I got to see the replay. I don't know. 1577 01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:59.119 I thought it was maybe Oh no, yeah, it was point. 1578 01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:01.640 It was just after guy miss the layup and the 1579 01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:04.079 guy dunked it. And yeah, clearly the red light. So 1580 01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:08.039 there you go. All right, I may or may not 1581 01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:11.159 have wagered on Arkansas. May be good for me. 1582 01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:13.319 Well, well you do that will put up the the 1583 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.640 handsome image of the of the of a R one S. 1584 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:20.680 That's not bad. That's not bad. That's not bad. Certainly 1585 01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:22.840 better than the cyber truck, I will agree with you. 1586 01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:26.279 Oh it's yeah, that's that's that is a low bar 1587 01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:28.920 and it definitely surpasses it. And here here's a Doug 1588 01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:33.840 Doug's score of of all all any priced s U 1589 01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:37.600 V or car that he's raided and it's at rir s, 1590 01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:40.359 tied for the top with the McLaurin F one. So 1591 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:42.640 there anyway, all right, so our sports break in our 1592 01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:44.119 car break is over. 1593 01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:45.520 And sorry about that. 1594 01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:49.439 I know, no, I you don't have to apologize. It's 1595 01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:50.039 a long show. 1596 01:15:50.119 --> 01:15:53.159 And people, this is what I do every night. I 1597 01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:55.600 watch college basketball. I will be in Las Vegas three 1598 01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.159 weeks from the night and the Missouri Tigers are gonna 1599 01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:00.319 be a top four seed in the NA Tournament, probably 1600 01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:03.640 play three weeks from tomorrow. And we go every year, 1601

01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:06.800 and I almost wish I wasn't going because Missouri's probably 1602 01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:09.479 going to play in which job it we this is 1603 01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:11.479 a thirty year tradition we're going to keep up. 1604 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:17.760 So yeah, anytime you're watching WWE Raw or SmackDown or 1605 01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:20.880 aw Dynamite in particular. Send us an email if you've 1606 01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:22.680 got thoughts on the show or a topic you want 1607 01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:26.199 us to address or a question for us. Wadekellor Podcast 1608 01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:31.600 at pw torch dot com. 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Wadkeller Podcast at pw torch dot com. 1616 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:57.359 All right, some Kansas City, Well how do we get started? 1617 01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:57.479 Oh? 1618 01:16:57.640 --> 01:16:59.680 I know in the chapter now about sports insults and 1619 01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:01.560 let's parlay this into wrestling. 1620 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:03.680 Well, he did a good job of talking about the 1621 01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:08.079 Chargers leaving town and the Padre I mean heat, that's 1622 01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:10.359 easy heat, the Padres losing to the Dodgers. I'm not 1623 01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:13.359 even super into baseball and I know that, so I 1624 01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:16.319 you know, it's a little bit cheap, but it was 1625 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:19.119 I was like, he's I thought he had, Like I said, 1626 01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:22.479 he had a Philadelphia thing on. That's his team. People 1627 01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:26.520 that know him know that, Hey respect, that's fine, good, 1628 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:27.159 good for you. 1629 01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:33.159 So I, as a policy, don't believe any local sports 1630 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:36.439 team references unless it's a true national story in the 1631 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:39.720 news that week belongs on national television. If you want 1632 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:42.319 to come out during commercial break to get heal heat, 1633 01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:45.720 set things up, play whatever, that's fine. But I'm sorry, 1634 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:49.119 nobody cares about the Padres and almost nobody cares about 1635 01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:52.439 the Chargers. And when you're insulting fans of a football 1636 01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:55.680 team in another city, you have thirty one other markets 1637 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:58.000 cheering and going, yeah, those people suck too, and now 1638 01:17:58.000 --> 01:17:59.359 you're on the side of the heel. I think it's 1639 01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:02.720 amateurish and attack. I think it's low hanging fruit and 1640 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:05.880 they just shouldn't do it. And there's many other ways 1641 01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:07.920 to get heat other than this cheap way of getting 1642 01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.920 a crowd to boo you because you're insulting their local 1643 01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:11.600 sports team. They should be booing you because of the 1644 01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:13.840 work and effort you've put in the last weeks or 1645 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:17.680 months getting them to dislike you. I think it's the 1646 01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:19.920 lowest form of heel heat and it also just doesn't 1647 01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:24.960 work nationally. And if we saw Thunderdome footage of everybody 1648 01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:28.079 around the country watching all their faces when someone comes 1649 01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.159 out and insults the Kansas City Chiefs or the Minnesota 1650 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:35.000 Twins or the Tampa Bay Sun, people are yawning like 1651 01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:38.680 nobody cares. So stop. Find a better, mere sophisticated way 1652 01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:41.279 to get heat than every city you go to insulting 1653 01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:42.119 the local sports team. 1654 01:18:42.159 --> 01:18:44.359 Then I don't want to see him do it all 1655 01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:44.840 the time. 1656 01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:48.840 But to me, he's kind of a derivative heel like, 1657 01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:51.079 and this was very derivative. 1658 01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:53.359 Like, I don't know why. I kind of got it. 1659 01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:55.800 Normally I'm with you, de I got a kick out 1660 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:56.399 of it tonight. 1661 01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:58.520 I just it was kind of out of nowhere that 1662 01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:00.479 he took a shot Chargers. 1663 01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:03.239 It's kind of pass it's been so it was it 1664 01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:04.439 was kind of nerdy like. 1665 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:06.319 It's like, yeah, he is nerdy. 1666 01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:09.359 He's being a nerdy heel and he's being consistent. That's 1667 01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:12.239 why I liked it, So I'm giving him a pass. 1668 01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:16.000 I normally agree with you. The Chargers have been gone 1669 01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:19.119 for how long? And he just I don't know, that's 1670 01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:19.840 that's what I like. 1671 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:23.600 So I don't know. It's it's like a little like 1672 01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:26.880 sneaky subversive. It's like like if you say bitch but 1673 01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:29.439 your self

aware, it's overdone. You're not saying it for effect, 1674 01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:30.880 but to make fun of all the other people who 1675 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.520 say bitch is their go to insult, And so you're 1676 01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:37.960 saying where Cachet is like, yeah, like this nerdy he's 1677 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.199 playing up a nerdy, un self aware heel who's just 1678 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:42.079 going to these tropes. Well, I mean it's a bit 1679 01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:47.319 of a stretch, but I'm not convinced it's true. Yeah, 1680 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:49.640 I mean, I like, I perked up when you said that, 1681 01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:52.119 but I think there almost needs to be some distance 1682 01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:54.600 between that and every other you know, MGF doing it 1683 01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:55.960 every week on TV for a while and that. 1684 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:57.479 Kind of I definitely agree with that. 1685 01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:00.920 I just this this this pass my test, and I 1686 01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:02.560 usually doesn't for whatever reason. 1687 01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:08.319 Fair enough, So real quick, does Ricochet or Swarf win? 1688 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:10.079 I mean, do they save Swarf's title? I think they 1689 01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:13.800 should save sworst title match and Rickchet Rikoschet should win, 1690 01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:16.880 but that only but that's only if Moxy's losing the 1691 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:18.800 title soon. Because unless you're going to turn Moxley faate, 1692 01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:20.960 you don't want Rikoshet as a heal going against heel Moxley. 1693 01:20:21.159 --> 01:20:22.920 But I don't think you want Swerve winning unless you're 1694 01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:24.439 gonna give him the world title. And I'm not sure 1695 01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:26.840 that's the right move because I think the title should 1696 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:30.960 be on Moxie Untilkenny Omega beats him. So it's a conundrum. 1697 01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:33.359 I agree with that that I'm more still waiting for 1698 01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:36.640 Christian to get his title shot. I mean, I think 1699 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:41.000 Rikoshet can win and they put it off or whatever 1700 01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:43.560 I mean, or they can do it on TV. I mean, 1701 01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:47.199 he's he's an important character, but he's not so important 1702 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.720 that he couldn't It's weird if he loses to Moxley. 1703 01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:53.520 Mate, he could, I mean, like he could bring the 1704 01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:55.560 rub to Ringside. I'm not I don't want to book 1705 01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:57.039 a bad finish and that's what I'm about to do, 1706 01:20:57.119 --> 01:20:58.800 but he could, Like I'm more it's more of like 1707 01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:00.399 a prediction of the realm of or they could go 1708 01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:03.199 so they could do Ricochet Moxley. Fans are booing both, 1709 01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:05.079 or maybe Chure and Moxie a little the bell rings 1710 01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:07.560 Nana comes to Ringside takes the rope that Ricochet set 1711 01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:10.079 at ringside. Ricochet chases after him, he gets counted out, 1712 01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:12.359 and the joke is Ricochet earned a world title match 1713 01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:14.920 got counted out in twelve seconds because two seconds into 1714 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:16.880 the match he chased the damn robe and he lost 1715 01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:18.840 his focus and you make fun of him for it. Now, 1716 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:20.680 you don't want him to become an Austin Theory heel 1717 01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:23.079 where people just look down and laugh at him. So again, 1718 01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:25.159 I'm not advocating for it, but I'm saying there's a 1719 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:27.279 realm in which you can present this match and not 1720 01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:29.119 have it be a straight up title match between two 1721 01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:31.000 heels where fans and cheer and moxley and it totally 1722 01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:34.720 blows up Omega trying to beat this heel who everybody 1723 01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:38.000 consistently now dislikes. And that's the thing when you put 1724 01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:40.039 a heel against heel and the fans go, who do 1725 01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:43.279 I dislike less? And then the fans cheer them and 1726 01:21:43.319 --> 01:21:44.800 they get used to it. I don't want to be 1727 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:46.600 the next baby face in line to face that heel, 1728 01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:49.479 because now you've put that heel in a situation where 1729 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:51.239 fans are starting to go, well, he's not so bad. 1730 01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:52.800 We do it in the NFL all the time. Our 1731 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:55.359 team loses and the playoffs continue, We're like, well, who's 1732 01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:57.560 the team I dislike the least and then you root 1733 01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:59.920 for them. Don't do that in progress unless you have 1734 01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:07.079 a really good plan. All right. So from there we 1735 01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:09.199 got that six man take Danny Garcia f t Argan's, 1736 01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:11.800 Adam Cole, Kyle Riley, Roderck Strong. It seemed to exist 1737 01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:15.600 to set up collision Adam Cole getting a roll up 1738 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:19.079 win over lost to gar Win over Garcia to earn 1739 01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:23.600 a T and T title match. Actually like the idea 1740 01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:26.119 of Cole having the T and T title, because I 1741 01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:27.960 don't think Garcia has been a particularly I mean, I 1742 01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:29.239 kind of forget he's TNT champ? 1743 01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:30.119 Is he? 1744 01:22:30.720 -->

01:22:33.239 I might? Am I wrong? I'm not even sure. I mean, 1745 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:35.840 I know they said it. I'm just like, there's so 1746 01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:38.000 many belts and Garcia hasn't been featured, you know what 1747 01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:41.199 I mean, So in a way where that belts. It's 1748 01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:42.680 just felt lost in the mix. Hes felt lots of mix. 1749 01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:45.520 I'm playing it up a little, but Cole winning it 1750 01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:48.119 sends a single to people, Hey, he's relevant again. He's 1751 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:50.520 got a title. It's the title Cody held. There's there's 1752 01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:52.800 more lineage there than the international and and whatever the 1753 01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:57.319 other one is. Uh so yeah, I mean, I'm okay 1754 01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:00.000 if Cole's gonna win it. But the match was seemed 1755 01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:02.600 like it was just there to set up collision. Yeah, 1756 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:04.000 until and fill eleven minutes. 1757 01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:07.359 It seemed like it drug quite a bit, And I'm with, 1758 01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:10.960 if you're going to keep the Undisputed King together, it 1759 01:23:11.119 --> 01:23:14.199 probably helps him that have something. I still think it's 1760 01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:18.359 a mistake having the six man titles on the Death Riders, 1761 01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:20.800 because it's like the belts. 1762 01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:22.640 Don't even exist anymore or whatever. You know. 1763 01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:25.119 It's just they had a chance to get them off there, 1764 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:28.720 and I felt like they should have if you're going 1765 01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:30.760 to you have these six man teams, that could have, 1766 01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:36.000 you know, some sort of compelling things happen, and. 1767 01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:38.279 Nothing ever seened. 1768 01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:40.239 I thought, you know, if this match even would have 1769 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:41.800 been for the six man titles, I mean, it's not 1770 01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:45.039 really the purpose of it because they're building these other matches, 1771 01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:47.640 but I just I don't know, It's just it seems 1772 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:50.000 like a wasted and they have a lot of wasted 1773 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.760 belts and as so what else is new? 1774 01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:55.319 I guess Yeah, I mean, yeah, I want to go 1775 01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:58.800 off of that in the spirit of you having a 1776 01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:01.039 long day. I don't want to get into that. So 1777 01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:05.000 the the finish, Zach Barber said, the finish of this 1778 01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:08.159 match was weird. So we have four people all submitting 1779 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:11.239 each other all at once. It was like a I 1780 01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:14.279 don't want to talk about that movie. What was I 1781 01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:17.680 never mind rereven was attached to each other. But it 1782 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:20.760 was like chat room helped me out. You know, it's 1783 01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:26.079 that horror movie that is gross and uh so we 1784 01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:27.840 had that going on, and then off to the side 1785 01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:30.439 we have Garcia and and Cole leading to the finish. 1786 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:33.279 I mean I thought it was fine. I mean it 1787 01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:36.600 was little, little contrived, you know, the one person who 1788 01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:40.800 submission another another another, but whatever, and then you know 1789 01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:43.760 Kyle Riley kicking the handshake of offer away being a 1790 01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:45.560 little heelish. I don't know if they're turning heel or not. 1791 01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:48.640 I wouldn't be against that, but yeah, anything else to 1792 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:51.079 say about that, keep. 1793 01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:52.880 Them face for at least a little while. I mean, 1794 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:56.960 they've turned enough. I don't care really, but I just 1795 01:24:57.039 --> 01:25:01.039 would say that. But no, it was there was I 1796 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:05.079 always enjoy watching FTR, but it just the crowd was dying, 1797 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:07.720 and to me, it took something away. 1798 01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:10.119 From the from the whole match. 1799 01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:14.840 So Mike Myers chimes in, of all times, to mention 1800 01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:18.319 to throw up a centipede. I think that's a centipede. 1801 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:22.840 It's very small, very small. Yeah, And then Ryan Selario 1802 01:25:22.920 --> 01:25:24.000 says he's human centipede. 1803 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:24.159 Wad. 1804 01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:27.319 Yes, Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it. Yeah, So that's 1805 01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:30.000 your assignment to watch that, everybody, No, you don't. I 1806 01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:34.399 don't recommend it, all right. I got to refocus another 1807 01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:38.159 and think about that movie. Claudio shown backstage looking for Copeland, 1808 01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:40.880 and what great timing because that's when Copeland attacked him 1809 01:25:41.119 --> 01:25:43.760 out of nowhere. And then we get Concertos to the 1810 01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:46.239 head with a back camera that showed it didn't come close, 1811 01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:51.720 poorly produced. We had whether Yuda hitting Marina shapeir by accident. 1812 01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:53.560 So we have man on woman violence, which you know, 1813 01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:57.640 some say bear game when you're Marina shaphere especially and 1814 01:25:57.680 --> 01:25:59.840 when it's your own cohorts, it's not intended. I mean, 1815 01:25:59.880 -->

01:26:04.520 I I understand both of those arguments. But then well 1816 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:07.119 and Nightingale runs out and has an issue with that 1817 01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:11.079 group and does the concerto, and really, I mean, Copeland 1818 01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:13.439 got a really nice response in Australia. I think when 1819 01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:15.560 he came out. I think it was a decent response 1820 01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:17.960 from coming out high five and the kid and all 1821 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:21.159 that brawling with Claudio. But by the time this segment 1822 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.279 was done, it was drawn out. Crowd was I mean, 1823 01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:26.840 you don't want your world title challenger, Babyface a weekend 1824 01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:28.439 a half before pay per be standing in the ring with 1825 01:26:28.479 --> 01:26:31.520 this drawn out angle, pulling on some concerto thing from 1826 01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:34.920 the greatest hits that feels old and ancient and just 1827 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:37.560 you know, like do something new, and it just went on. 1828 01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:40.079 The timing wasn't good. It dragged, and the crowd is 1829 01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:41.079 dead for Copeland, and. 1830 01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:46.880 Yeah I was and this is what I thought, and 1831 01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:49.479 give Orange and to Cash the credit because they got 1832 01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:52.600 him back like it. This is when I thought, boy, 1833 01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:54.880 this is gonna be a rough review because this show 1834 01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:58.399 is dying on the vine. And then the main event 1835 01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:00.920 kind of got him back. I thought Jay was reasonably 1836 01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:06.680 over still, but yeah, that Copeland not a great night. 1837 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.159 I was here, I was going to turn when he 1838 01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:10.880 like was fending off Mox and he started to make 1839 01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:12.039 his way into the ring with a chair. I'm like, 1840 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:13.720 he's not going to hit Copland from behind it, I 1841 01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:16.239 was like, And then I'd like, no, that would make 1842 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:18.359 no sense. But but well I shouldn'ta it would make 1843 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:19.680 no sense. I just didn't think it was the time 1844 01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:20.760 for it. But there was a little bit of the 1845 01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:23.399 body language where like he's fending off Moxy but he 1846 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:25.960 didn't hurt Moxley. And then I'm thinking, no, there's too 1847 01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:27.479 many things that have happened for that to be the key. 1848 01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:29.760 But there's so many turns in wrestling. I'm just on 1849 01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:32.239 on edge, on guard for that. Okay, So then, uh, 1850 01:27:32.279 --> 01:27:34.520 Diana Prazzo

w and Harley Cameron not a lot to it, 1851 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:36.279 but hardly getting a win. The story is she hadn't 1852 01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:40.960 won until recently, then she lost, but now she won again. 1853 01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.000 St Ober called it a comfort behind victory. Did you 1854 01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:48.039 know did you see the well that Minnesota Timbers? Speaking 1855 01:27:48.039 --> 01:27:51.399 of sports, Minnesota Timbers went over Oklahoma City Thunder earlier 1856 01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:51.880 this weekend. 1857 01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:55.439 I heard about this because I followed him gambling like, 1858 01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:57.760 you could have made a fortune if you bet Minnesota 1859 01:27:57.840 --> 01:27:58.439 during that game. 1860 01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:01.680 That's that was I thought of you. When this was 1861 01:28:01.720 --> 01:28:03.720 going on, I'm like, the announcers didn't bring it up. 1862 01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:05.880 I was like almost checked. I was watching it late 1863 01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:08.760 at night on delay, and I was exercising after I 1864 01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:12.479 do sometimes after these post shows. I'm night owl and 1865 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:16.359 I'm watching the game, and I'm like, okay, I'm just 1866 01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:18.000 going to put it on in the background tomorrow at 1867 01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.199 my desk and watch the last half of the fourth 1868 01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:22.560 quarter or whatever. Because we were down twenty five points 1869 01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:24.399 at one point down I think twenty going into the 1870 01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:27.600 fourth quarter, down sixteen with like six minutes left. It's 1871 01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:29.479 kind of a bummer. But four of our top seven 1872 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:32.039 rotation players are out injured or three of the top 1873 01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:33.920 six whatever, three a top six, four, top seven, And 1874 01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:36.359 I'm like, oh, okay, I mean it's whatever. It's a 1875 01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:39.800 great team. We're in there building. It's and then I'm 1876 01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:43.880 like wait, and I start doing the sports rationalization math, 1877 01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:45.640 like when you're down four touchdowns or three minutes ago, 1878 01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:47.319 and you go, well, if this and this and this happens, 1879 01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:50.039 maybe it'd be a game. We've all been there, and 1880 01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:52.359 I did that. I'm like, but it's okay, see, and 1881 01:28:52.399 --> 01:28:56.039 it's wolve. You know, three key players are out, and 1882 01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:58.920 it's like, wait, now it's twelve, now it's nine. Well, 1883 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:00.520 all we have to do is hit three three, and 1884 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:03.079 all okay, sees it was missile. So this has never 1885 01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:05.880 been done before in history. The Wolves, like in ninety six, 1886 01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:08.720 they had a twenty five point comeback, but no number 1887 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:12.720 one team, nobody with the best home record with a 1888 01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:16.119 winning percentage that okayse has being down twenty points going 1889 01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:17.800 into the fourth quarter, has ever lost in the history 1890 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:21.399 of the NBA. So like they were So I'm bearingly, 1891 01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:22.920 but the Wolves are down sixteen points of like six 1892 01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:25.520 minutes left, and they tied, it went to overtime and won, 1893 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:28.079 and overtime it was just like crazy. 1894 01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:30.359 I didn't realize that game was on the road. That 1895 01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:32.399 does that makes it even more Wow? 1896 01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:32.840 Yeah? 1897 01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:37.039 And I did the gambling, Oh yes, I am. 1898 01:29:38.279 --> 01:29:39.239 They talked about it a lot. 1899 01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:41.479 I was gonna say, I lost my point with you, 1900 01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:45.479 and so they I was thinking during when they tied, 1901 01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:47.880 I was like, you can bet during games, right, like 1902 01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:51.560 the So it's like, who if someone put down like 1903 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:53.439 ten bucks on the Wolves winning the game when they 1904 01:29:53.479 --> 01:29:54.760 were down sixteen points. 1905 01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:57.119 But now the time, now's the time to get to hedge. 1906 01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:59.920 Yeah, I would say, oh I I yeah. I didn't 1907 01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:02.720 know what that meant. So what would they have won 1908 01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:07.319 ten dollars six seven minutes left? You're down. 1909 01:30:07.359 --> 01:30:10.199 So I think it got to like I don't know, 1910 01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:12.840 it was at least twenty five to one, maybe more. 1911 01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:15.720 Say you get two fifty three hundred bucks something like that. 1912 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.000 Why would I you should be a millionaire. 1913 01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:20.880 Well, they don't do that. These books don't give that 1914 01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:23.039 kind of money away. But I can look it up. 1915 01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:25.159 I did hear about it, and it was like there 1916 01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:27.840 were a lot of people speculating on the type of 1917 01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:30.319 money that you could make in Arkansas. Was a five 1918 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:32.800 to a minute left, so it might be a good 1919 01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:35.000 night for the keyster finances here. 1920 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:39.159 I honestly, if you bet on a team that's done 1921 01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:41.880 sixteen points against the number one team in the conference 1922 01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:45.000 in their home

arena with six or seven minutes left, 1923 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:46.800 you should be a millionaire. You should put a dollar 1924 01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:48.760 in becoming I know they don't do it. I'm saying 1925 01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:51.680 that should be the who would waste ten dollars? 1926 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:54.359 If you watch these spreads, it'll be like you couldn't 1927 01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:57.359 get Say you bet ten dollars and you win three hundred, 1928 01:30:57.760 --> 01:30:59.640 well then you got to bet two thousand dollars the 1929 01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:02.760 other way at ten. They put those spreads out there 1930 01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:05.399 where they're not gonna you know they're not gonna get burned. 1931 01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:07.960 Okay, yeah, all right. 1932 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:14.600 Are you a nostalgic wrestling fan? Do you want to 1933 01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:17.159 hear about shows you haven't seen in ten, twenty, maybe 1934 01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:19.680 even thirty years. Well, I have the show for you. 1935 01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:24.000 I'm pwtorch dot com contributor Frank Pettyanni, and since December 1936 01:31:24.039 --> 01:31:26.840 of twenty twenty, I've hosted Pro Wrestling Then and Now. 1937 01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:27.840 Together with a. 1938 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:30.840 Rotating chair of co hosts, we go back and review 1939 01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.399 old shows from top to bottom, talk about where the 1940 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:36.600 wrestlers were at the time, and compare what's taking place 1941 01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:39.359 now to what took place. Then you can hear this 1942 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:41.680 so along with other shows as part of your PW 1943 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:46.319 Tortch VIP membership with exclusive podcasts just for members compatible 1944 01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:50.119 with the Apple podcast apps. It pwtorch dot com slash 1945 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:57.640 go vip for details and sign up form. 1946 01:31:57.680 --> 01:31:58.920 So where are we were? 1947 01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:00.000 We were? 1948 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:02.800 Is it helping a level that were straying into sports betting? 1949 01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:03.159 A little? 1950 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:05.319 Oh yeah yeah yeah? 1951 01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:07.920 And Texas scored so it's only three point games, so 1952 01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:11.359 I gotta oh my gosh. And I also okay, never mind, 1953 01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:13.960 but I need Arkansas to come home. The other one, 1954 01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:17.279 the other part of my bet was b YU and 1955 01:32:17.279 --> 01:32:20.960 their way ahead. So I'm looking smart. But they're only 1956 01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:23.439 have three now Texas scored, so we'll see what happens. 1957 01:32:24.039 --> 01:32:26.359 People haven't seen my eyes glaze over on a on 1958 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:28.479 on the screen before. They're getting close to it with 1959 01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:29.840 all the you're losing me. 1960 01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:33.920 Now, this is I'm more awake here. I gotta yeah. 1961 01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:35.239 No, but good well, I mean, I've lots of people 1962 01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:38.079 talking about this will's comeback hopefully, people who like sport. 1963 01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:40.039 That was I mean, that was a big deal. I 1964 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:41.079 will get that. 1965 01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:45.439 Yeah, yeah, and sorry Anthony Edwards even play during the 1966 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:47.680 comeback he had they had it was like it wasn't 1967 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:49.279 garbage time because it will have a great bench of 1968 01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:50.920 young players. But they put the young players out there 1969 01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:52.479 whore getting a lot of time with these injured players, 1970 01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:54.560 and they didn't put Anthony Edwards back in until like 1971 01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:58.039 three minutes into overtime. These young like rookie three of 1972 01:32:58.039 --> 01:33:00.760 the rookies were out there and and making this comeback 1973 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:02.800 against best team in Lake or you know, best team 1974 01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:04.800 in the West at least. Okay, this all started because 1975 01:33:04.840 --> 01:33:06.920 Cameron got what Excalbert called they come from behind victory 1976 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:11.159 that's the last like twenty minutes of this diversion. So 1977 01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:14.159 what do you think are the Cameron's character did I think? 1978 01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:18.560 I mean, I think she's tremendous. You know, all the 1979 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:22.680 stuff she did building the Mercedes match, that that interview 1980 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:26.600 which went from you know, silly to sirius was fantastic. 1981 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:29.720 She does a lot of stuff on our social media. 1982 01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:33.920 It kind of tells a consistent story. And I thought, 1983 01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:37.199 I thought this was it was a better match than 1984 01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:40.760 I expected. And and Driano Protz is good wrestler and 1985 01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:43.319 that certainly helps. But you know, I thought this was 1986 01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:48.760 pretty solid. And uh, you know again, she's fairly inexperienced, 1987 01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:52.359 but she's got something and you know they I'm glad 1988 01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:54.159 they're at least not squandering it. 1989 01:33:55.600 --> 01:34:00.319 Yeah, so upside for her, you like, where is she 1990 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:00.920 heir from now? 1991 01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:08.359 I mean, it wouldn't be unheard of for her to 1992 01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:10.760 be a champion there, but I mean she's I think 1993 01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:13.560 it's more of a matter of at the at the 1994 01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:15.399

stage of her career that she's going to continue to 1995 01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:17.800 be an important part of the show a year from now. 1996 01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:21.720 I would say that's more than anything. I mean, you know, 1997 01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:26.119 she I just she's got so many talents and uh, 1998 01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:29.079 she's compelling to watch, I you know, and. 1999 01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:31.840 I feel like. 2000 01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:34.880 Sometimes the women's division can be a bit of a 2001 01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:38.399 slog I probably shouldn't say that, but uh, you know, 2002 01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:42.600 it's this is something that that can do a better job. 2003 01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:45.760 And and you know, the crowd again wasn't like overwhelming 2004 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:47.880 for her, but they were more with her than they 2005 01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:48.760 were with Copeland. 2006 01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:50.600 And that's really close. 2007 01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:56.880 Yep, should should they should? They toned down the ventriloquism 2008 01:34:56.880 --> 01:34:58.960 stuff like should it be more about a personality? And 2009 01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:00.359 every once in a while she kind of produce is 2010 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:03.760 something kind of eclectic and a little out there. That's 2011 01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:05.960 part of her charm. But or do you do you 2012 01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:08.039 lean in on that all every week, all the time, 2013 01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:08.880 or do you let it be in? 2014 01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:09.319 No? 2015 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:12.880 No, I think I think that that was unique to 2016 01:35:12.920 --> 01:35:15.319 the Mercedes build up, and I think that they can 2017 01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:18.880 get to a more you know. And and again, like her, 2018 01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:23.359 you know, I'm learning, I'm getting better. I'm you know, 2019 01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:26.800 trying to excel here. I mean, that's that's a compelling story. 2020 01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:29.039 That's that's as old as time. 2021 01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:31.199 M all right. 2022 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:34.960 So then I made the men time Takeashta and Cassidy. 2023 01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:37.239 I thought they did a nice video package on Cassidy's 2024 01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:40.600 histories International Champion, then set up what the stakes are 2025 01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:41.880 in this match to de build up to it, Winter 2026 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:45.520 faces Omega, and then we had a twelve minute match 2027 01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:47.600 with some of the orange Cassidy stuff that I don't 2028 01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:50.479 think is it didn't the sunglasses stuff or the it 2029 01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:54.560 was It's too contrived. I just like, there's no no 2030 01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:56.640 reason wird to believe Arnge Casside would have a spare 2031 01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:58.880 pair of glasses in his pocket if someone takes his 2032 01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:00.920 glasses off and breaks some I did like to touch 2033 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:02.880 it to Cash to actually chewing on the glasses in 2034 01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:04.800 his mouth a little bit like as before he threw 2035 01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:08.359 them aside. So we had that, But I mean the 2036 01:36:08.399 --> 01:36:11.319 match itself, Cassie's really good wrestler, to Cash is really 2037 01:36:11.319 --> 01:36:11.720 good wrestler. 2038 01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:12.000 It was good. 2039 01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:14.880 It was good match. What do you think of you know? 2040 01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:16.479 And it was a clean win for Takestra, which it 2041 01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:19.840 should be clean enough, although there was that point where 2042 01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:22.840 Cassidy decided to turn and yell at Don Kallis and 2043 01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:24.720 take off the glasses at ringside when he was on 2044 01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:27.239 a roll and then at backfired. Now it did't lead 2045 01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:29.439 to the finish directly, but it did shortly thereafter. So 2046 01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:32.479 to me, that's a baby face losing focus and like 2047 01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:36.760 being making the dumb decision undisciplined, and so I didn't 2048 01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:38.079 think that was worth it. I think you should have 2049 01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:40.720 done it earlier in the match when it was you know, 2050 01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:43.520 clear it wasn't a disadvantage to him. 2051 01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:48.119 But anyway, Yeah, I thought this was a little better 2052 01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:51.560 match than I expected, and I had reasonably high expectations. 2053 01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:54.600 I knew deep down who was winning the match, but 2054 01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:55.920 at times you're kind. 2055 01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:58.560 Of halfway questioning yourself for a second there, And yeah, 2056 01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:02.119 sometimes I get that that Orange cast he can do 2057 01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:08.920 some some pretty pretty cool stuff. And yeah, I thought 2058 01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:12.119 in Takesha, I mean he's been great lately. I mean 2059 01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:14.720 the thing with Olid Bolton seeing that's worth going on 2060 01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:18.720 your way to see. This was really really good, and 2061 01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:22.319 I expect he and Kenny to have an excellent, excellent match. 2062 01:37:22.439 --> 01:37:27.720 So this kind of build anticipation for that, not like 2063 01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:31.239 the most cliffhanger main event they could produce. 2064 01:37:31.399 --> 01:37:34.239 But again, paint by numbers, I think that's okay. You 2065 01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:37.800 got one guy slightly out of the other guy, and. 2066 01:37:37.680 --> 01:37:40.720 He wins and he's going to something bigger and there's 2067 01:37:40.760 -->

01:37:41.600 nothing wrong with that. 2068 01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:43.520 We can half out from the pay per view. 2069 01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:46.800 Yep, all right, I'm going to wrap up. Dan just 2070 01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:49.039 skimming through a couple of emails that we got and 2071 01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:50.880 see if they hit on any points we didn't and 2072 01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:52.640 then and then we'll we'll sign off. I'll keep an 2073 01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:56.760 eye on the chat. Also, good conversation with the chat today. 2074 01:37:57.760 --> 01:37:59.640 By the way, Razilla says, takesha is a guy in 2075 01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:01.960 the chat. To catch this guy. Everybody thought oct it 2076 01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:06.039 was going to be an aw interesting And back to 2077 01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:09.239 the puppets, I'm David Bryant says, I wouldn't lean into 2078 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:10.800 it every week, but I like how they used it. 2079 01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:12.880 August wants to buy a Mercedes puppet now he was 2080 01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:16.680 our on site correspondent last week. But Dynamite and then 2081 01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:19.079 Standard Devshan like his idea. I keep the puppets away. 2082 01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:20.560 Then a few months from now she brings it back 2083 01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:25.279 and buddies up with Mercedes. I liked it keeping it 2084 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:26.399 away and bringing it back. 2085 01:38:26.680 --> 01:38:30.119 Yeah yeah, it doesn't right, Yeah, yeah, they should keep. 2086 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:31.079 It in the ulster for sure. 2087 01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:33.319 In Zult said, I think Karley could reach Bailey, like 2088 01:38:33.399 --> 01:38:35.279 Levels is someone that wasn't a blue Tripper prospect but 2089 01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:39.399 improved quickly and more importantly connected with the audience. David 2090 01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:40.960 Bryan says, a problem with waiting for camera to get 2091 01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:42.399 more reps in the ring as you miss striking while 2092 01:38:42.399 --> 01:38:43.920 the iron is hot. He made that case and his 2093 01:38:44.359 --> 01:38:46.479 AW collision hits and misses that went up this week. 2094 01:38:46.600 --> 01:38:48.680 A has been great catch at catching lightning in a 2095 01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:52.920 bottle and often at cooking it. And Kyle Fassel says, 2096 01:38:52.920 --> 01:38:56.600 I feel you, David. True. Check out David's can't miss 2097 01:38:56.720 --> 01:39:00.000 AW collision hits and misses at PW Torch dot com. 2098 01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:02.000 It's worth going to. You can go to the opinion 2099 01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:06.439 section at the website and find it pretty quickly. All right, 2100 01:39:07.119 --> 01:39:09.399 So JBF in Detroit says, mgs backstage attack on Christoph 2101 01:39:09.479 --> 01:39:11.119 Daniel seem to elsit some real boots from the live 2102 01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:13.720 crowd that tells me the facial alignment is really working 2103 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:15.840 and this mgff han Man feud really seems to be 2104 01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:19.840 ginning both characters on track after seemingly long a long 2105 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:23.000 time of meandering. We covered that earlier. Dan agree to 2106 01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:25.760 does cope have all the belts bells? And whistles. Does 2107 01:39:25.800 --> 01:39:27.119 he have to have all the bells and whistles every 2108 01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:28.960 time he makes an appearance opening the show tonight by 2109 01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:30.560 peering in an ambulance and telling me the death right 2110 01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:32.920 or something to the effectively found their home and it 2111 01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:35.800 was beyond tacky. That is my thing with Copeland. There's 2112 01:39:35.800 --> 01:39:37.399 like not a real middle ground. He's either like I 2113 01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:38.760 say it all the time, I'll say it again. He's 2114 01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:41.039 like the guy try to sell you, the guy, the 2115 01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:44.359 trusting mountain bike salesman, Like, oh you know what price? Boyway, 2116 01:39:44.439 --> 01:39:46.560 what if you totally trust this guy? Like just nice, 2117 01:39:46.600 --> 01:39:49.439 calm guy, seems happy with life. You can imagine him 2118 01:39:49.439 --> 01:39:54.680 biking in the mountains or wide eyed, raging maniac I'm 2119 01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:56.840 going to kill you. And I just I think there's 2120 01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:59.279 this vast middle ground he'd be better in, and a 2121 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:01.399 lot of it just sort of feels like tropy, Like Oh, 2122 01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:03.000 I'm going to sit in an ambulance and I'm gonna 2123 01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:04.159 get real serious and lean in. 2124 01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:08.439 What about when they they were out the ambulance, when 2125 01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:11.640 they took them away, Like I didn't like that? Yeah, 2126 01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:14.680 Like why are they the ones patting the ambulance on 2127 01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:16.640 the door and say and you can get like. 2128 01:40:17.319 --> 01:40:19.640 What what kind of company allows that? Like? I don't, 2129 01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:20.840 I don't another. 2130 01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:24.359 Little detail, yeap. The Cows Family learning Tree uniting against 2131 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:26.239 the Osprey certainly makes more sense than the Learning Tree 2132 01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:33.319 and the Death Riders uniting against other Babyface factions. Yeah, 2133 01:40:33.359 --> 01:40:35.479 for sure. I feel as though the Osprey Fletcher rivalry 2134 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:37.119 is peaking at just the right time for their cage 2135 01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:39.439 match and revolution. The crowd direction tonight felt very invested 2136 01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:41.399 and engaged in their brawl to the

stance. I agree 2137 01:40:41.439 --> 01:40:44.880 with that, Dan, They're invested in Fletchers and Gale and callous, 2138 01:40:45.079 --> 01:40:45.319 isn't man? 2139 01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:47.399 And I liked you went up in the stands after it. 2140 01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:50.359 Yeah. Yeah, I love matching up the Outrunners and Murder 2141 01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:52.520 Machines tonight. I legitimately didn't have a strong idea who's 2142 01:40:52.520 --> 01:40:54.319 gonna win, so each pin fall attempt tell my attention. 2143 01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:55.840 Now you have two viable take T matches set for 2144 01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:57.800 hurtzing Kid in the future with the Outrunners and the 2145 01:40:57.840 --> 01:40:59.840 Murder Machines, who were protected in their loss and looked 2146 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:03.960 strong throughout the match. We disagree on a few things there. 2147 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:05.760 I don't think they were protected. They were protected, but 2148 01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:08.039 in a way that wasn't worth the protection, and the 2149 01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:09.920 match was bad enough. I don't want to see necessarily 2150 01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:12.239 either of them, but I think they'll be better against 2151 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:14.279 I think both teams will look better against other teams. 2152 01:41:14.279 --> 01:41:16.960 I think there was a chemistry issue with those two 2153 01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:19.199 teams in particular that probably won't get replicated with the 2154 01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:22.760 Hurt syndicate. Ricochet's doing a great job of being an annoying 2155 01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:25.439 grading heel. He's hitting all the notes low hanging sports insults, 2156 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:28.720 sniveling delivery, irritating calt and every promo. I can appreciate 2157 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:30.680 the fact that he's truly buying into the character. It's 2158 01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:35.079 working and feeling more natural. Do you agree, JB from Detroit, Well, 2159 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:36.079 you do a little bit on. 2160 01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:37.760 That. 2161 01:41:37.880 --> 01:41:40.319 We had our little debate over the low hanging sports insults. 2162 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:43.880 But like you, he said, low hanging fruit insults. That's 2163 01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:45.960 not an insult, that's a feature, not a flaw. 2164 01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:52.680 Yeah, with the perception of the role, that's my love 2165 01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:54.119 you tuck me into reconsidering. 2166 01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:56.520 We'll see. We'll keep an eye on it. With the 2167 01:41:56.600 --> 01:41:59.079 number of contender stipulation being put on square of Ricochet revolutions 2168 01:41:59.079 --> 01:42:01.359 where if has to win correct a strong Babyface is 2169 01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:03.760 presumably needed to a post mox and the Death Riders 2170 01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:06.880 after I assume ox retains against Copland so they can 2171 01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:11.199 do Swerve and Moxley, and then if you know what, 2172 01:42:12.359 --> 01:42:14.199 if Nana is turning heel and I don't want it, 2173 01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:17.039 but if he is, he could turn on Swerve in 2174 01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:19.800 that match with Moxley, which would then rev up the 2175 01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:23.880 Ricochet Swerve feud again and be an excuse for Swerve losing. 2176 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:26.000 I mean, they could tell that story too, and I 2177 01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:28.159 don't want them to turn Nana. It's not the end 2178 01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:31.640 of the world, obviously, but the not a wrinkle being 2179 01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:34.000 at it was another area of layering and intrigues were 2180 01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:37.399 Swerve must win to regain Nana's robe, to presumably retain 2181 01:42:37.479 --> 01:42:41.159 Nana's managerial services. I wonder if this is formatt foreshadowing 2182 01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:43.239 a rift between the two, even a Swort beats Ricochet 2183 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:45.039 and gets the rope back, you know, you could say 2184 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:46.840 the roade so important Nana, he'd rather be with a 2185 01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:48.720 robe than with Swerve. 2186 01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:50.119 I mean it's possible. 2187 01:42:50.199 --> 01:42:52.560 Yeah. I thought they were going to save col Garcia 2188 01:42:52.560 --> 01:42:54.439 for the TT Talent Revolution, but it's scheduled for the 2189 01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:56.760 Saturday and collision. What are the chances it's a screw 2190 01:42:56.760 --> 01:42:58.479 finished to continue the feud to the pay per view, 2191 01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:02.800 possibly with the stipulation. I think odds are high that Dan, Yeah, yeah, 2192 01:43:03.399 --> 01:43:05.359 or just a rematch, you know, Garcia gets a rematch, 2193 01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:09.800 Just keep it, keep it basic exactly. Yeah. Are we 2194 01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:11.640 gonna get a mixed tag with Mox and Marine against 2195 01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:14.800 Copeland and Willow between down Revolution? Maybe that gets announced 2196 01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:15.479 Dynamite next. 2197 01:43:15.399 --> 01:43:19.159 Week, certainly. I mean we're like, so we're short on time, 2198 01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:20.159 but it is possible. 2199 01:43:20.239 --> 01:43:22.600 Yeah, yeah, I'm very glad to see how the Cameron's 2200 01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:24.600 continuing to carrying momentum on the Dynamite stage. He hasn't 2201 01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:26.880 been MI since Grandslame Australia. That being said, I also 2202 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:28.239 think ATAB but you could be doing a lot more 2203 01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:30.520 with uh Diana Barrazzo. I think the idea of that, 2204 01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:32.399 I like the idea of ven Data, but they should 2205 01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:35.520 be a step above simply jobbers or jobbers to the

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That you're missing out without a VIP membership, 2216 01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:09.239 So go vip here in twenty twenty two and enjoy 2217 01:44:09.319 --> 01:44:12.399 all the benefits, all the bonus content, and the ad 2218 01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:16.439 free listening experience. Pw torch dot com slash go vi 2219 01:44:16.479 --> 01:44:22.119 ip all right. Chris Johnson says didn't play a email tonight, 2220 01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:25.199 but I found the opening segment irritating enough to send thoughts. First, 2221 01:44:25.239 --> 01:44:27.279 as a Texan, the truck that Hangman drove up in 2222 01:44:27.319 --> 01:44:29.439 it was ridiculous. I don't see how it fits his 2223 01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:32.079 character at all. And if it was just a cute joke, why. 2224 01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:34.560 I know it's an expensive truck, but it ain't cowboy shit, 2225 01:44:34.960 --> 01:44:37.079 but you know what it fits. It doesn't fit his character, 2226 01:44:37.079 --> 01:44:39.920 but it fits him like you know, Adam Paige, you'd 2227 01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:43.279 expect to be drive in a cool you know, he 2228 01:44:43.439 --> 01:44:48.880 v off road super capable off road ev but it's 2229 01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:51.239 not an I mean, the Property Brothers drove it like 2230 01:44:51.319 --> 01:44:53.079 last season on one of their HDV shows things. It's 2231 01:44:53.079 --> 01:44:54.359 the only other time like it's been like in the 2232 01:44:54.359 --> 01:44:57.760 public eye. But it's it's an emerging brand and it's 2233 01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:00.039 so it's kind of cool. But I don't disagree. It 2234 01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:01.359 doesn't necessarily fine. 2235 01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:05.239 I mean I was the character I would say, if 2236 01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:07.880 you have like a nineteen eighty nine f one point fifty, 2237 01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:11.760 I probably would have been I wouldn't have been taken 2238 01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:12.399 aback by it. 2239 01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:14.399 I was like, what is that Like, I would be like, 2240 01:45:14.520 --> 01:45:16.079 that's what the. 2241 01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:21.039 Cowboy would really drive. I know that's not environmentally great 2242 01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:21.560 or whatever. 2243 01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:25.319 Oh no, total, no, I do. I'm totally I totally 2244 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:27.239 can see that point. I mean, like, I it's a 2245 01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:32.399 cool car, but it's not necessarily fitting the Hangmen person. 2246 01:45:32.439 --> 01:45:34.039 I know he did put up like a horn on 2247 01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:34.439 the on the. 2248 01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:37.560 Horns, Yeah, the horns on the Yeah. I like that touch. 2249 01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:39.880 Yeah, but yeah, the line from Chris, I know it's 2250 01:45:39.880 --> 01:45:41.840 an expensive truck, but it ain't cowboy shit. I mean, 2251 01:45:41.880 --> 01:45:44.640 at the point, there's a point there. I'm fine with 2252 01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:46.880 a Hangman squash, but did we need it, sure, I mean, 2253 01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:48.840 well he didn't need it, but I mean it was 2254 01:45:48.880 --> 01:45:50.680 a conduit to get to the next thing. 2255 01:45:51.039 --> 01:45:53.760 Yeah, why not would be the counter to that. 2256 01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:56.680 Yeah, So Daniels is bleeding from the head, obviously hurt, 2257 01:45:56.680 --> 01:45:58.840 and they're a metic seemingly fifteen feet away, directly in 2258 01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:00.279 front of him. Were they waiting for a sort of 2259 01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:01.880 tell him it's okay? To help Daniels? Then when they 2260 01:46:01.880 --> 01:46:03.840 got to work, the one medic gently dab blood off 2261 01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:06.199 of Daniel's chin. Yeah, the dabbing of the blood, it's 2262 01:46:06.199 --> 01:46:08.279 like when medic's like, oh let me, let me. It's like, 2263 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:11.319 you know, the NBA is more serious about like tiny 2264 01:46:11.319 --> 01:46:14.880 little surface level cuts. It was comical, but to me, 2265 01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:19.560 this is just really poorly executed. Yeah, so Dan, you 2266 01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:23.319 got some uh, some people independently backing up your uh. 2267 01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:25.840 Your thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. 2268 01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:28.279 Osprey's great, But I have no idea what they're talking 2269 01:46:28.279 --> 01:46:30.680 about with bounties fun match though, Yeah, bounties, it's kind 2270 01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:33.279 of corny in wrestling. I mean, you gotta just stipulate 2271 01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:35.920 to that. I did not like the backstage Mercedi segment, 2272 01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:37.560 and I don't know who she was talking to. I 2273 01:46:37.560 --> 01:46:40.039 know she said her name, but I still don't know. Oh, 2274 01:46:40.119 --> 01:46:44.720 and reset the bitch meter. Yeah, unfortunately, Hey, the Outrunner, 2275 01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:47.920 the Outrunners with Omaha Mavericks. That's big time Dan. 2276 01:46:51.000 -->

01:46:53.880 I mean I think that sarcasm. 2277 01:46:54.840 --> 01:46:57.600 Okay, he has one exclamation mark, not three, so it 2278 01:46:57.640 --> 01:47:00.800 seems marxis sarcasm. 2279 01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.239 I mean, you know, it's not the Lakers or anything, 2280 01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:05.319 or the timber Wolves. But yeah, I mean it was 2281 01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:07.039 a cool thing, like they. 2282 01:47:06.880 --> 01:47:08.279 Won, they won their league. 2283 01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:12.159 They won their Yeah they're not They're not the AAA 2284 01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:16.279 team anyway, and and this that was their like league championship, 2285 01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:19.479 I think, clinching game. And it was I mean, I 2286 01:47:19.479 --> 01:47:21.520 thought it was hilarious. When I saw it on Sports Center, 2287 01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:22.279 I just thought. 2288 01:47:23.640 --> 01:47:27.319 Like if that was like Kenny Omega and aw made 2289 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:29.000 it like a really big deal out of it. Okay, 2290 01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:33.079 it's the Omaha, but it's the Outrunners. Omaha Evericks is there, 2291 01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:36.279 it's theirs, it's their level. It's Yeah, it was cool. 2292 01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:36.920 It was fun. 2293 01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:39.359 And those players they should have showed the players were 2294 01:47:39.399 --> 01:47:42.039 just loving it, Like they should have showed more of 2295 01:47:42.039 --> 01:47:45.199 the clip when these players are out dropping their elbows 2296 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:46.680 on the trash cans and stuff. 2297 01:47:46.720 --> 01:47:49.439 And you know, it was a really cool segment. I'm like, 2298 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:51.199 this is fun, good for these guys. 2299 01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:55.600 Yeah, okay, the uh oh he says I didn't like 2300 01:47:55.640 --> 01:47:59.239 the out Runners match. Yeah, astute observation. That was lousy. 2301 01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:01.479 I where I've heard of arrests are asking are you stupid? 2302 01:48:01.560 --> 01:48:03.119 Are you dumb? Three times in the last three months, 2303 01:48:03.119 --> 01:48:06.319 and I think that number should be zero. Totally agree well. 2304 01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:08.800 That that was also derivenive. I think when they ever 2305 01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:10.560 said it tonight, I'm not saying it makes. 2306 01:48:10.359 --> 01:48:12.039 Any Mercedes saying it before. 2307 01:48:12.279 --> 01:48:18.800 Yeah, saying it's Ricochet. Ricochet is being yeah, it's the 2308 01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:21.520 same thing like anybody else. I would have hated it. 2309 01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:23.960 Ricochet is being a purposeful idiot. 2310 01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:27.159 So this is this is so little three D chess. 2311 01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:30.479 I criticized him doing tropes and low hanging fruit and 2312 01:48:30.640 --> 01:48:32.760 that is a feature, not a flaw of his character 2313 01:48:32.800 -->

01:48:35.159 right now, and he's leaning it. Okay, you it might 2314 01:48:35.159 --> 01:48:37.560 seem obvious to me when when Max Casterfers said I'm 2315 01:48:37.760 --> 01:48:41.600 I'm the greatest, uh trust me, I know, the best 2316 01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:43.439 in the world, I was like, is he is? He 2317 01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:44.840 like trying to play the serious and I was like, 2318 01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:46.960 I was like, what, oh of course he's not. He's 2319 01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:50.840 being totally totally fake, which I was glad, but I 2320 01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:52.680 didn't trust he wasn't. I'm like, well, this is weird. 2321 01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:55.439 I hope he's not serious. You're excited, Dan, what's going on? 2322 01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:57.800 Game? Game of Arkansas? 2323 01:48:58.359 --> 01:48:59.600 So you get to keep keep your house? 2324 01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:02.000 Yeah, I can make it. It's the end of the 2325 01:49:02.039 --> 01:49:03.920 month's coming. I gotta pay the mortgage. It's a good thing. 2326 01:49:04.319 --> 01:49:08.399 Good buy ribbean. I have to give a ricochet this. 2327 01:49:08.399 --> 01:49:10.399 He's getting the closest thing to heal heat of anyone 2328 01:49:10.399 --> 01:49:13.039 on the show. Solid segment from swerve and Ricochet to night. 2329 01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:16.560 It's the basics, face heel clear angles, the basics and 2330 01:49:16.640 --> 01:49:19.239 no scissors is a plus. This increased my interest in 2331 01:49:19.239 --> 01:49:22.920 seeing their match. That's the thing. Less it less is more. 2332 01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:26.159 It doesn't encompass everything all the time. But like, we 2333 01:49:26.199 --> 01:49:29.000 don't need scissors, Like it's just Rickchet doesn't need It's 2334 01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:31.399 no one should have scissors in pro wrestling. It's just dumb. 2335 01:49:31.439 --> 01:49:35.359 Same thing with wrenches and screwdrivers, Like, come on, let 2336 01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:37.279 the rest just tell the story. Let the moves in 2337 01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:40.199 the ring be what we're fighting for in belts and 2338 01:49:40.199 --> 01:49:44.000 stop burning down houses and stabbing people and suffocating people. 2339 01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:46.279 All right, Adam Cole was the color of a human 2340 01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:48.399 being tonight. I don't know if he's getting enough to eat. 2341 01:49:48.520 --> 01:49:50.319 It really stands out how thinius when he's in the 2342 01:49:50.399 --> 01:49:52.600 ring with FTR. But even Garcie looks big next to 2343 01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:55.199 Adam Cole. Also, I don't know why these guys are fighting. 2344 01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:59.760 Maybe that's on me. Yeah, it wasn't well laid out again, 2345 01:50:00.039 --> 01:50:01.520 tells her that the death Writer's Cope segment in the 2346 01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:03.239 ring with Jay White enters while Cope is on the 2347 01:50:03.239 --> 01:50:05.399 ground selling and Claudios above them with the chair. They 2348 01:50:05.479 --> 01:50:07.560 got to j White, they got back and Claudio's doubled 2349 01:50:07.560 --> 01:50:09.640 over waiting for the chair shot from Cope. I guess 2350 01:50:09.680 --> 01:50:12.239 Cople and himlo with a chair, but we didn't see it. Yeah, 2351 01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:15.560 there're some sloppy, bad decisions in production tonight. I did 2352 01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:17.680 like marinash if you're taking the inadvertent shot from whither, 2353 01:50:17.720 --> 01:50:19.640 you had a clever way to have her be neutralized. 2354 01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:22.479 But the babyface men shouldn't have considered the concerto on Marina. 2355 01:50:22.680 --> 01:50:25.119 They could have had Willow come in and set it up. 2356 01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:27.760 Good point. You know the men were setting her up 2357 01:50:27.800 --> 01:50:31.079 for that and that can make some people uncomfortable. Fair, 2358 01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:33.239 unfair the gender aspect of it, and yeah, just Willow 2359 01:50:33.279 --> 01:50:35.039 come in and go, hey, guys, do this, you know, 2360 01:50:35.159 --> 01:50:38.600 likely lead the charge and finally really impressed. Match with 2361 01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:40.680 Orange Dacsha is super fun. The booking for this international 2362 01:50:40.680 --> 01:50:43.479 title deal is strange, right, What was gained by doing 2363 01:50:43.520 --> 01:50:45.640 it this way? Yeah? I mean it's just the journey 2364 01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:47.039 they wanted to take us on to have a TV 2365 01:50:47.079 --> 01:50:48.760 made event. I think they booked backwards from the pay 2366 01:50:48.760 --> 01:50:51.439 per view and I don't have a big problem with it. 2367 01:50:52.039 --> 01:50:54.239 I think the naming of it as this you know, 2368 01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:58.600 Revolution International Invitational whatever, that's the thing that I think 2369 01:50:58.600 --> 01:51:00.880 people thought, Okay, come on, can we just have a 2370 01:51:01.079 --> 01:51:02.800 match and not give it a special name. 2371 01:51:03.720 --> 01:51:03.920 Yeah. 2372 01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:08.640 I find myself sometimes being like, did Kenny win the title? 2373 01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:13.000 And I forgot and I know he didn't, but it 2374 01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:14.159 what is the Yeah. 2375 01:51:14.119 --> 01:51:16.880 So you're right, I agree that the name has just 2376 01:51:16.920 --> 01:51:19.199 felt a little a little much, but I think that 2377 01:51:19.399 --> 01:51:22.079 the path it's fine. I mean even the path was 2378 01:51:22.079 --> 01:51:26.560 a little much, but not in a way that matters. Okay, 2379 01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:29.960 any uh Ramen Noodle frames that as email from a 2380 01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:33.399 Debbie Downer Ramen name name two things that you think 2381 01:51:33.439 --> 01:51:37.640 were unfair criticism and unreasonable criticism in that you know, 2382

01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:40.600 just aw needs to listen to people who are watching 2383 01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:41.680 a show going I don't know if I want to 2384 01:51:41.680 --> 01:51:44.359 watch next week. That's how they grow is by being 2385 01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:46.960 open minded to criticism and not I think you made 2386 01:51:46.960 --> 01:51:47.720 good points, Dan. 2387 01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:50.960 Well, and I would say that, you know, some of 2388 01:51:51.039 --> 01:51:54.319 the criticisms that you've been making, or Todd's been making, 2389 01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:57.119 or even I've made on occasion on here, it seems 2390 01:51:57.119 --> 01:52:01.039 like some of them are getting through. So I appreciate that, 2391 01:52:01.479 --> 01:52:04.279 and I hope for continued improvement on the show. 2392 01:52:04.840 --> 01:52:07.800 Yeah. As far as Copland versus Adam Cole, standard deviation says, 2393 01:52:07.800 --> 01:52:09.439 what thing I appreciate about Copland is he brings new 2394 01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:11.079 ideas for the table each week. I think their ideas 2395 01:52:11.079 --> 01:52:13.079 from like two thousand and six almost always. But anyways, 2396 01:52:13.159 --> 01:52:15.319 in contrast, Adam Cole's playing an eight year old character 2397 01:52:15.359 --> 01:52:18.039 with old catchphrases and a faction name that lacks creativity. 2398 01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:21.520 I think there's a room for improvement in both areas. 2399 01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:25.159 But in Adam Copland's talented, I just think he's either 2400 01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:26.840 trying too hard or he's a normal guy. And I 2401 01:52:26.840 --> 01:52:31.159 think there's this like middle ground too that's lush and 2402 01:52:31.279 --> 01:52:34.399 rich of full of possibilities for him, that will connect 2403 01:52:34.439 --> 01:52:38.560 more with the audience. It's just he's the epitome of hashtag. 2404 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:42.720 Try hard. Do people say hashtag anymore? Probably not, I'll stop. 2405 01:52:42.760 --> 01:52:43.479 I don't think so. 2406 01:52:43.680 --> 01:52:46.680 Yeah, I caught myself. I'm going to self criticize myself there. 2407 01:52:47.920 --> 01:52:49.640 It's like living rent free in your head. It's like, 2408 01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:51.840 don't say it anymore. It's like four years past now. 2409 01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:56.439 All right, cool, Dan, anything else you want to add? 2410 01:52:56.479 --> 01:52:57.880 We kind of worked our way through, and I mean 2411 01:52:57.880 --> 01:52:59.079 it's a little longer than I wanted to go beas 2412 01:52:59.079 --> 01:53:01.000 I know you're tired, but you know, sports stuff added 2413 01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:02.239 about twenty five minutes. 2414 01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:05.039 Once that game went to overtime. I was committed for 2415 01:53:05.039 --> 01:53:07.520 a while anyway. Wait, so it all worked out great, 2416 01:53:07.760 --> 01:53:11.560 And always enjoy the interactions with everybody. Great to catch 2417 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:16.079 up with you and appreciate being on here. I yeah, 2418 01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:18.319 a fun, fun, fun evening. 2419 01:53:18.439 --> 01:53:21.760 So thanks excellent, Thanks Dan, appreciate it. We'll let Dan 2420 01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:23.600 go and we'll close. Just a couple of plugs here. 2421 01:53:24.279 --> 01:53:26.760 Join me live every Monday, Wednesday and Friday night here 2422 01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:29.600 on YouTube. Also Saturday Night, Brandon the Claire be hosting 2423 01:53:29.720 --> 01:53:32.479 Wrestling Night in America. You can check out my detailed 2424 01:53:32.479 --> 01:53:36.279 reports on Raw Dynamite. It's backdown at PW torch dot com. 2425 01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:39.199 If you have not yet subscribed to the red logo 2426 01:53:39.239 --> 01:53:41.159 and blue logo versions of the Waightkeeler shows, the post 2427 01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:44.239 shows on the podcasts, search Weaight Keller and Spotify Apple 2428 01:53:44.279 --> 01:53:48.359 Podcasts Forever and subscribe for free, or upgrade to a 2429 01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:52.439 VIP membership, which is obviously for us even better. 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