บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Unicole Unicron & Friends | Episode 28 - Daniel Gautier

I left you some of my books, and ones in my memoirs, my mystical memoirs, which I never really thought about doing, but over COVID, and so many of us were forcibly uh internalized. 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.279 So I thought this would be a good time. 00:05:51.439 --> 00:06:00.639 Uh and also I wanted to share particularly my earlier experiences, uh, which is so common to this type of person, and and the introverted nature is part of it. 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.839 And I go into explanation in terms of the uh the arch types. 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:11.199 Uh and a lot of these people, a lot of people listening will recognize this from a very early age. 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:13.680 You feel like you're different in some way. 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:19.199 And it's usually because you your consciousness, consciousness is is different. 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:24.079 Uh, but you're in particular when you're younger, everything's so intuitive, but you can sense it. 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:34.160 And and others around you will sense it and they won't intentionally uh put you aside, but unintentionally, there will be uh a little divide, perhaps. 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:40.720 So um, yeah, and and one has to overcome that, and which was part of what I had to do. 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:50.639 And a lot of others, and again, that's why I wrote it, because I know a lot of people are more introvert and sensitive, uh have those those issues to to deal with. 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:57.279 So your books are I I have a stack of them, which I'm so thrilled about. 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:01.040 And what's really amazing about it is that they're all different. 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:09.120 Um, very few people can enter the game and write so many varying types of books. 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:18.000 Um, so you've got your memoir, you've also got like um, I don't want to call it fantasy, but like the mystical, you know, storytelling side of it. 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:22.879 You've got something that's more close to a comic book, you've got books of art. 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:24.240 It goes on and on. 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:27.279 Like, what can you talk about a little bit about your books? 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:32.639 Because I feel like anyone listening would be very pleased to pick up any of your works. 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:40.959 And the other thing I want to say is that they're very well written, which is not also very common with um well prolific in a way. 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:41.839 Thank you. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:52.000 Yeah, they're basically almost every genre, and and there definitely is a fantasy novel, uh uh Master of the Guild. 00:07:52.160 --> 00:08:16.000 But again, all these books and and my music uh and the writings, they're all they're all variations on this one theme, and which I talk about in one of my I know a lot of your the people on your show talk about various transformative experiences they've had internally and and mystically or psychically, uh, whatever. 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:23.199 And I had one when I was 25 that in certain respects transformed my life. 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.839 I was already having mystical experience prior to that. 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:37.200 Uh but but this one I had an experience of mystical union with the absolute in whichever formula to describe it. 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:51.279 But actually, I went into this, I was doing projections, and usually I just would go to my my Atmonic self, the Holy Guardian angel, basically or sensal genius or soul self, uh, and have mystical union. 00:08:51.440 --> 00:09:03.600 Um, but this this time I was influenced by uh theosophists and others in the whole hierarchy of the masters, which I didn't intentionally uh direct myself towards. 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:18.480 But anyway, I had this experience and I was led to this place of incredible, it was the void, but it was the voluminous void in a lot of mystics talking about uh supersensual radiance of the divine darkness. 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.639 It's like this paradoxical source. 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:33.039 Uh and when I was in this darkness, but it's ultimately fulfilling, and a lot of the greatest mystics, Saint John uh the cross and C of Dionysius and many others, and they talk about it as a negative theology. 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:40.559 Basically, this absolute, the source of all, uh, transcends all definitions, and it's ineffable, but it contains everything. 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:41.919 That's the great product. 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:47.440 But anyway, I was I basically had this download of a vision. 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:53.039 Basically, it was a um a universal model and a symbolic language. 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:57.600 Uh and I wasn't even cognizant of really what was unveiled that time. 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:02.320 But then when I came back, I was manifesting these and writing about it and describing it. 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:23.600 Uh, and again, a lot of artists and poets will will know about this and musicians, that if they let themselves go and go to the imagination, it's almost like there's a part of your selfhood or your brain which which communicates and construct these um these these wonderful uh visions and models of this higher realm. 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:26.320 Um so anybody, I yeah, go ahead. 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:36.480 Yeah, no, I'm curious, just um, and not to discredit it in any way, because there's all different ways to get to these types of almost psychedelic or download you know states. 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:42.960 Was this um a drug-induced state or just you were just meditating, you just sat down and went there? 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:50.080 I I I had a very uh extensive uh methodology for transformation. 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.000 Basically, I again I developed my own, it's discussed in my my book. 00:10:54.080 --> 00:11:06.399 It's called and it's a chapter uh union or reunion with uh your your inner your

inner selfhood or the inner sun, which is our perfect soul within us. 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:31.679 Um so I I was it was uh very uh uh eclectic, and I drew from yoga traditions, uh Hatha Raja Yoga, the Kabbalah, um Sufism, basically every tradition, and I developed my own mythology methodology uh and and breathing and visualization. 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:40.000 So and I had my my my method each each time I I wanted to to do these spiritual or mystical works. 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:42.480 That's amazing. 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:49.039 So I'm curious, like as a kid, were your parents spiritual or was this a deviation? 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:53.840 Oh this was a a major deviation. 00:11:54.399 --> 00:12:04.799 Um yeah, they were they were pretty well off and secure and very much as part of the patriarchy. 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:16.240 And my father was a lawyer and from a family of lawyers and politicians and um patriarchal folks. 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:32.960 Um yeah, so I was I was always again that that was part of the feeling they didn't articulate, they think they need plenty of love, but I I was different, and they knew my father once told my mother after he died, she told me, I understand the other two boys, but I don't understand daddy. 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:44.000 I'm sure others have heard this, and um again, it's not it's not uncommon, so yeah. 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:46.960 So, how did you uncover the spiritual reality? 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:49.519 Like, how did you start getting into it? 00:12:50.240 --> 00:13:05.039 Oh, that was um, and this again I talk about it's all in my my memoirs, but uh because I talked about my depression, which was a result of these things, and and I was an incredible creator as a child, and I I still was doing the art throughout. 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:12.879 Um, but I lost that perfect imaginary world of mythology, although again I still read the mythology, but then you get into socialization again. 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:24.720 So many I would go through this, and those that are iconoclastic uh and creators or introverts, they're going to feel isolated sometimes. 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:35.120 They are uh so it's all through uh high school and college, and I didn't tell anybody I was dealing with this, and finally at the end of college, I was it was breaking down. 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:49.360 Um and then I I moved and and and I just started getting exposed to all the hermetic tradition and the spiritual tradition, and I read everything and it from an early age. 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:51.519 I was I consumed everything. 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.080 I was uh I was a nerd, I was a boat nerd. 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.600 Uh and that that never really stopped. 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:14.799 So uh yeah, around 24, 25, I was just in a day with these things, and I had uh started doing yoga and and reading these other the hermetic traditions, Western esotericism and occultism, and uh the initiatory traditions. 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:27.519 Um and it just things transformed very, very quickly, and this is where again, so many people and yourself too, you come a point and you're being guided. 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:32.480 And books are come, they're just incredible synchronicities happening all the time. 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:41.600 And you're thinking something, and you're provided with the material to transform or to understand, and you're just you're just inundated, and then that's that's where it all started. 00:14:41.679 --> 00:15:00.080 And I I wish to know all of these the these cultures and models uh of the material world and the worlds beyond and how they connect it, and totally understanding the macrocosmic, microcosmic connection, which is at the root of the um of the mysteries, the western mysteries. 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:06.799 And the so um it's amazing how many people find their spiritual path through yoga. 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:13.360 I mean, I've talked to so many people who like really just started there, and it's um that was the trigger. 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:14.960 Yeah, that was the trigger. 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:35.279 Uh partly partly because it it just provides such an incredible, particularly uh Raja yoga, and I talk again, I talk about this in my book, but um they're just very tangible methods, and they give you a methodology, uh, and it's very straightforward. 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:54.000 And if you're getting into Western esotericism and the occult and everything, there are all these layers, um, and and in the Kabbalah and all those, which I have assimilated, but um it's very it's very direct and and it just has incredible power. 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:57.840 So yeah, it's the somatic space being held. 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.159 Um, so you mentioned being depressed when you're younger. 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:08.879 How did your spiritual explorations impact your mental health or your depression? 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:10.399 Like, did it improve it? 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:11.440 Did it stay the same? 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:16.799 How did it like how did these soul transformations end up impacting your life? 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:31.360 Well, as soon as I came across this whole other realm of thought and spirit and the esoteric traditions, East and West, that all disappeared, resolved, resolved and dissolved. 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:36.399 Because, and it and as soon as I got into this material, it was like returning home. 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:55.279 And and all the models that are provided wherever wherever it is, uh Madame Blavski, uh Eliphos, Levy, uh Plato, and the Greek tradition, which is a strong part of it, um, for me, which is at the root of Hermeticism, too. 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:59.440 Um it's just that that world, I had my new identity. 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:00.639 I knew who I was. 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:05.119 I was transformed very, very quickly, and what my purpose was. 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:13.759

And like you, this purpose was determined before we came here, but it takes a while, and you you actually went through more trauma than I had. 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:23.920 But everyone has their own inner barriers and and form of self-imposed trauma, which I had, and which you do to yourself. 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:30.000 Well, and also there's the isolation, you know, not being understood, not being of the world that you're in. 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.079 Yeah, that's traumatic. 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:33.119 Yeah. 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:43.599 You have uh joined a few different societies and teachings, like what has been the most interesting to you? 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:56.880 Um well, I've associated with various hermetic groups or neo-resolution groups, uh, but I don't, I my Aries nature, I don't identify with one. 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:04.400 And it's more a matter uh of the community and being able to share these ideas. 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:13.920 And actually, some of the my material, which is more uh scholarly and abstract and philosophical, it's it's not welcome necessarily. 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:31.119 Uh, and it create can create its own um barrier, but basically it's it's the it's see, it's the totality of the eastern and western spiritual and esoteric traditions, and that's at the root of uh root of my being, essentially. 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.240 And that's that's like the first page in my memoirs. 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:59.759 This is and I and I provided uh some of the initiatory droops in the Hermetic tradition, also termed the perennial philosophy, and it's going back to the Egyptian mysteries, uh, and and then going through Pythagoreanism, Platonism, uh, Orphism, Kabbalah, uh, Christian Gnosticism, uh, on and on into Rosicrucians and other forms. 00:18:59.920 --> 00:19:07.599 And this is what you, when you're studying without a bias or a proclivity towards one or the other, you see the underlying patterns. 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:12.880 And the patterns are these these archetypes of these universal principles that never change. 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:19.599 And everyone provides their own model, and that's why we're all here to give a different means. 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:32.480 And what you're giving is totally unique, and that's why these different groups they have they're founded by a human, a man or woman, and the people that are drawn to it are reflected by that approach and personality. 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:42.480 So that's why they're all they're all valid, and in that they provide this certain perspective that's not going to appeal to everyone. 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:52.640 And that's why the whole uh, I have to say, arrogant assumption of of ascendancy is just misplaced totally. 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:59.920 And it can happen in, you know, with with yogans or people who had organizations, it doesn't matter what it is. 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:26.000 Yeah, I've been I've been thinking about and hearing, uh

it's interesting, you know, how things get reflected in reality and come and sort of come back to you about the balance between, you know, detachment and like this very meditative state of observing reality versus um versus like almost as a dissociation to the point of not participating in human affairs and then getting wrapped up in the human affairs again. 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.799 And it's it's like, where is that sweet spot? 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:34.960 Where is it where we're really actually doing what we're meant to do on earth and where we're really fulfilled? 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.200 And every person goes through that cycle. 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:42.079 I think if you're on this path of really reaching a point where you're like, I found it. 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:46.799 And then you're like, wait, this is kind of boring, you know, like I want to get back in there. 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:50.400 I want to go like experience something, I want to like want something. 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:52.400 And so you get back wrapped up in it. 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:54.640 Have you have you experienced that cycle? 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:57.119 And how do you how do you cope with it? 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:04.400 Um you mean in terms of getting away from my my work or what my spiritual purpose is? 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:19.200 Oh, I just meant like um having the observer mindset, you know, when you see the truth, you see you're in the void, you see beyond everything, you know, and and you can stay in that space for a while, but then you're not really a human. 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:21.279 So, how do you balance those two things? 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:22.559 Yeah, absolutely. 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:35.200 Well, that for me is it's solved by my uh uh expressive and and creative impetus, uh, the the RAM pushing forward head first. 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:51.599 Um so that's that's a means of you don't you're you're at all times dealing with and uh absorbing these universal principles, and you're translating them and transforming yourself through your art, whatever form it may be. 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:59.039 Uh and that's where you have that's where you maintain the balance between introversion and manifestation. 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:12.079 And in the Create a process, it can't help but be uh manifested, but it's it's internalized until you share it with the world, and the sharing it with the world uh provides the means. 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:28.480 And that's why, again, the different arts can give you a real uh portal in in connecting with people in that way with the spiritual self and you talking to their spirit without them necessarily being cognizant of that. 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:31.599 That's that's a great answer. 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.440 Yeah, that's because you do the same thing. 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:46.880 And I do, I do, and um I think it's and it can be service too, service to humanity, and that's the whole Buddhist introversion and detachment balance with compassion. 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:53.200 You need the Dionysian and the Apollon Apollonian, you need the balance of the forces. 00:22:53.680 --> 00:23:03.039 Yeah, it's funny how you really can get spun round and round because it's it's like I can sort of see how we're all one and how you know everything is a reflection of me. 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:12.319 And then you start thinking, well, no one else really exists, you know, I'm just projecting everything, and then it brings you back around to, oh yeah, but we're all one, you know. 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:24.880 And you get back in that compassion state and realize that um that we're here to just create and to be creating in every moment and to be observing and creating in balance. 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:26.480 It's quite a trip. 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:32.480 Yeah, and you don't have to be a visual or visual or musical or poetic artist. 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:33.680 You can do it through life. 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:36.160 This is the whole of life is your canvas. 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:43.119 And the the nature of the transcendental magician, to will today or to know it and keep silent. 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.960 Um, you can transform the world, world around you. 00:23:47.200 --> 00:24:03.359 Uh and people like Gandhi and Martin Luther King were incredible magicians, transcendental missions, uh magicians, because they transformed the world around them and brought people close to equality, universality, and the spiritual absolute. 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:04.559 Totally. 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:06.000 I love that lens. 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:10.079 You and I talked about William Blake a lot. 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:11.839 And my man. 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:12.480 Yeah. 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:18.640 How I feel like when I first discovered William Blake, it was like this really big awakening for me. 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.960 I I couldn't believe that someone had actually created these works. 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:31.519 And I I remember just reading it and looking up at my professors in college, and I was like, why aren't people singing these songs today? 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.880 You know, like I was like, why aren't these like in on the radio? 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:37.920 I didn't understand because they were just so good. 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:43.440 Um, for you, when did you first discover William Blake and how did it impact you? 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:45.920 Oh, it was pretty early. 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:53.039 Um actually, I was in uh getting my graduate degree in in visual arts. 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.640 Um, and I had an experience. 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:12.160 I'll write about this in my my memoirs, where I there are these various episodes of mystical experiences, and I was doing this painting, um, and I just heard his name in my in my consciousness, or you know, an echo and William Blake. 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.680 And of

course, you never know if those are that's not necessarily a spirit talking to you. 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:20.799 It could be your subconscious, where you came across it but don't really remember. 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.039 But whatever it was, it doesn't really matter. 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:25.599 It's working on the same the same principle. 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:30.160 And I went to look up his works and I was blown away by his paintings. 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:35.599 And then the painting that I was painting was almost it was very similar. 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:36.559 It wasn't as complex. 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:42.720 There's this last judgment painting he did with hundreds of character uh little figures going up and down. 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:51.839 Uh and mine was not like, but it was the same shape in the spiral shape, which is all a common theme in the mystical traditions, the the spiral. 00:25:52.079 --> 00:26:16.960 Uh, and from that point on, just reading his poetry, and he lived, he was one of the great mystical poets and and painters, and he created his own mythology, and it was very akin to what I later experienced as the grand scheme of evolutionary metaphysics, uh, which is that's that cosmological model that I was given by the masters of the universality. 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:25.599 Uh, and he he created more of a mythos, uh, you know, creating these characters, these godlike characters. 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:43.359 And I have one of my favorite codes, if I can remember it, uh from Blake, I rest not for my tasks to open the eternal worlds, to open the immortal eye of man inward, into the worlds of thought, into eternity, ever expanding in the bosom of God, the human imagination. 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:52.559 And see, he create equated the Christ force, and he didn't have your traditional uh understanding of the Christ. 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:57.839 Um, it was related to imagination, human and eternal imagination. 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:08.640 And again, as I was saying before, that can be a link to the eternal and the absolute, and that's what the nature of genius is it's unlimited imagination. 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:13.759 And when we're released from our bodies, we're returned to that capacity and to that realm. 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.440 And he was the pinnacle of that capacity, and it inspired me. 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:20.799 That's true. 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:26.400 Yeah, and it's there are so many experiences that were parallel uh to my own. 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.559 Uh so do you feel like maybe you were him in a past life or something? 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:45.359 Well, see now William Blake said um John Milton, and Blake was British, John Milton, the great epic poet, Paradise Lost, who's also influenced by uh Platonism, which most people don't know in Cambridge. 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:56.720 Um, but Blake said, and and his second to last uh he had he wrote these um prophetic books, and the last one the second last one was uh Milton of John Milton. 00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:09.279 Of course, Blake was so different, all these people, but he said, I'm the living repository of the spirit of John Milton, because he felt this connection, and and they were both dealing with these universal principles through their art. 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:30.720 Um, and I feel a little of that, um, but I I don't my conception experience of of reincarnation is not necessarily that linear or literal, partly because the the superconscious mind, our eternal soul self, and it's multidimensional. 00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:42.799 And it can it's we can have be it's at this very time, we can on a different level, different dimension, we can be experiencing another self would. 00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:51.759 Uh and it can be linear too, uh, you know, in terms of the more more Hindu uh karmal karma conception. 00:28:52.559 --> 00:29:04.480 Uh but yeah, you can and that's why you you'll identify with certain artists or spirits or humans that gosh, we have a parallel here with brothers or sisters in some way. 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:05.440 Definitely. 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:14.480 Yeah, I I think the same, the same thing about it's hard for me to comprehend, you know, living multiple lives simultaneously, but I know that's how time works. 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:19.839 And so I think of it kind of almost like a it's gonna sound so dumb, but like a shopping filter. 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:27.920 You know, if you're filtering for like shirts, you know, you can look at it through the linear lens, or you can see all products. 00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:40.240 So you can like sort of shift your focus to the linear karmic, you know, cause and effect version, or you can shift to see, oh yeah, you know, everything's happening all at the same time. 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:41.599 See, that's absolutely right. 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.440 And that's that's why there isn't a singularity there. 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:56.079 Your higher selfhood, uh, your Otman, your universal soul, your holy garden angel, however you wish to term it, uh, it can make choices. 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:05.359 It can decide to be totally linear, and then as part of the evolutionary process, then it's it's multidimensional, and you have some simultaneity. 00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:13.920 And that can explain connections with people, you know, on this planet that it's not even wholly you, but they're parts of yourself. 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:22.160 And that's why our human consciousness can't necessarily tabulate all the complexities of the eternal realm. 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:24.880 So that's part of the beauty of it too, right? 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:32.720 It's almost like um Picasso painting only in blue, you know, it's like we're working with the limitation that gives us a very unique experience. 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.200 Yeah, and each of it has that. 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:42.319 So that's part of the evolutionary

growth process, part of the the journey. 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:53.680 The you mentioned Theosophy, and um, I remember when I discovered Theosophy, I was actually kind of mad because I was like, I came up with all this on my own. 00:30:54.319 --> 00:31:01.680 And then I was reading Theosophy, and I was like, this is exactly what I think and have written, you know, um, in many, many ways. 00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:12.799 And it it's just so funny that I went down that journey, and it's it's so satisfying to call these things forth in your own consciousness and then um realize, you know, someone else has also done the same. 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:14.319 And it's uh it's fine. 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.000 But Blavatsky was a pretty um controversial figure. 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.440 How did how did you discover theosophy and what's your take on it? 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.240 It was the same time as my inundation with all the traditions. 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.359 Um, but it was it was important. 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:41.680 Uh and see, she most people identify her uh with her more the because she was in Indian and and the East and uh the the Vedic and other Eastern influences. 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:46.960 But early on, she was also very much involved with the Hermetic tradition. 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:58.720 And her first book was a book called Isis Unveiled, and that was basically addressing this Hermetic tradition through those mysteries I'm talking about, uh the English, Greek, uh, et cetera, et cetera. 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:16.640 Um, and then later on, she was more recognized about uh recognized with uh or yeah, recognized or identified with the the Indian because she's talking about the masters and having visitations or being instructed by the masters. 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.440 Uh yeah, but I am oh sorry, go ahead. 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:38.000 No, I she she she had influences on on both and and people like like Crowley and and and others that um both sides of the coin, essentially east and west, are her influence. 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:50.559 And she was also she's also into psychic phenomenon, which sometimes bordered on a little questionable because um and some people question that about her too. 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:56.880 But otherwise, she she was incredibly wise about all the traditions. 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:05.359 I think she probably has had more impact on society than we realize, you know, and the way people think about things and talk about them. 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:14.319 I think it it I don't think she directly influenced, but I think she influenced so many people who then influenced how we think about things, like you were saying. 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:20.400 The yeah, then the you read my mind about the um like the uh more occult side of things. 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:21.279 The I am St. 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:45.599 Germain Foundation said that they sort of started as Theosophists and then broke off having their own experience with Saint Germain and then sort of uh wrote off Blavatsky because she was working in the astral realm, which they deemed as just another illusion, sort of, and you wanted to go above that astral realm to get to like the true source of truth. 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.880 And I think it's all valuable and valid. 00:33:49.440 --> 00:34:07.279 Well, see, the astral realm is not one thing, it extends to eternity, and the astral is uh I refer to it as the ideational realm, uh and the realm of ideas, as in the platonic terms, and then and in the Kabbalah. 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:25.199 And in and in the Kabbalah, you have the different there are different levels, as in in an elevator, um, but one there's the same power and veracity that extends through all of them. 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:31.039 Uh, and this has to do again with whatever group you're with and what their emphasis is. 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:53.760 Uh, and there are a couple of like there's the Amork Rosicrucians, which are not far from me, and I know a number of people, but they also, as a subgroup, they have the group of Claude de Saint-Martin, who was he started out being initiated into all the ritual magic, ceremonial magic, Enochian magic. 00:34:53.920 --> 00:35:03.760 But he, and this is after reading Jacob Birma, who's another really significant figure who influenced William Blake, who had these visions. 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.400 Uh, but his was the way of the heart. 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:37.840 And he basically uh put aside certain aspects of the that esoteric uh impulse, and particularly the ritual magic and ceremonial parts, and just worked on becoming one with the the Christos, the universal Christos, which is eternal imagination and uh divine uh purity and the the divine androgyne in alchemy, the wedding of the masculine and the feminine, the sun and the moon, the cuniungtio. 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:48.880 And it's a and this union of the male and the female, the sun and the moon is expressed in every religion and culture through their metaphors and masks, which are the myths. 00:35:48.960 --> 00:36:06.400 And unfortunately, the esoteric tradition uh latches on to the the mass the mask and the myth and treats it literally, but that's what the the greater initiations do they teach you to think symbolically, and that's the root of all these esoteric traditions. 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:25.920 And again, each each tradition has its own set of uh of symbols and and allegories and metaphors, and that's what I'd always done my whole life is trying to find the commonalities and the primal matrix that underlies everything, which is termed the logos or the word. 00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:30.719 And that's why the root of my cosmological model is the pentatic matrix. 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.199 It's a five-fold model, these five forces, universal forces. 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:40.239 So I'm just like amazed. 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.239 There's so much

information that you that you know and that you've studied. 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:53.039 And the I I think it's so funny you said, you know, like it's about seeing the symbol and really being able to interpret their symbol. 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:59.119 And I studied English, I studied poetry as my undergraduate degree, like in college. 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:06.159 And so it's so funny because after I got into the world, I ended up writing my poetry teacher a letter. 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:17.519 And I said, you know, um, being an English major was a really great stepping stone for becoming a conspiracy theorist because I started seeing the connections in the symbolism of everything around me. 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:30.639 And um I began studying Young and the um one of his uh understudies, um, Marie Luis von Franz, who wrote about fairy tales and the Jungian archetypes of fairy tales. 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:43.519 And it really is just amazing, like you said, how every culture is speaking through metaphor, intentionally or unintentionally, overtly or you know, or subconsciously, even it comes out that way. 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:48.960 And being able to see those patterns really does allow you to see through reality. 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.400 What was it that you studied in school? 00:37:53.760 --> 00:38:00.639 Um well, I was a history major in college, but that was more I thought I was gonna go into business and be a lawyer. 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:02.800 Uh that's why I was so depressed. 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:18.000 Um but I just everything that I devoured at that time, all the vast riches of comparative religion and mythology and literature. 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:24.800 Uh, and again, that one that experience of revelation of the Pentatic Matrix, it transformed everything. 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:33.280 And I was, and see, Jacob Birma, who I mentioned, who was a 17th-century uh Messi, who was a uh a cobbler. 00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.079 Um, so he didn't have a lot of education. 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:46.079 But when he was 25, he had this vision where light bounced off a pewter dish or something, and he had the illumination of the nature of the cosmos. 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:53.920 And he said, in a matter of 15 minutes, I absorbed and and learned what would have taken me years in college. 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:59.280 And that's it happened at the same time, same year as me at 25 years old. 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:05.760 And I identified with it totally because that's that's what what I experienced. 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:17.840 And I could see at that point through all the symbols, because I had the intro, what I term the primal inclinations, the first impulse, which certain religions call the first thoughts of God. 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:26.559 But it's basically these primal ideas, and it's rooted in number, and this is part of the Pythagorean Platonic tradition. 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:35.840 And the one, two, three, four, and that's found in the Tetractes, the name of God, Yodhe Babhe, Yod Jehovah. 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:42.960 And the actual the letters resemble the, and that's they they correspond to the four elements. 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.920 And the first one's the Yoda, it looks like a little flame, and the second's two pillars, it's a feminine principle. 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:54.880 The third is the sun, S-O-N-S-U-N, and the fourth is the feminine principle, and they correspond to the four elements. 00:39:55.119 --> 00:40:00.559 And Pythagoras had a cosmic model termed the tetractes, the fourfold. 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.480 And it was a triangle with a one point at the top, that's the monad. 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.920 The the two is the diet, division, the feminine and the masculine. 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:14.320 So the absolute could experience itself as polarity, then harmonization, the three, and the four is materialization. 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:18.079 So everything is a variation. 00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:25.519 And Pythagoras said, Hail, holy tetrad, symbol, immense and pure, source of nature and model of the gods. 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:33.760 So it's just these four forces, and that's what was stamped upon my soul and received during that uh revelation. 00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.960 And all the variants, the four elements, correspond to that. 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:48.159 And then you read look and talk about Jungian psychology and archetypal recognition, and you find it in in all of the scriptures, East and West. 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:57.760 Anyway, that's a summation of um a lot of rather abstruse, some abstruse concepts, but it's striking. 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:06.639 It's so fascinating, and I I keep kind of having this feeling of um remembering before I was initiated into any of these things, right? 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:15.679 And I was quite young, but I had been, I was raised in like a very standard, you know, American suburb kind of way, as I'm sure you were in some ways. 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:23.440 And um, and I remember like sort of see, you know, you see this side of things. 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.760 And for me, it was like Buddhism when I was in high school. 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:29.119 I was like, there's something going on with Buddhism, like I want to know more about it. 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:35.920 It seems like the path, like it seems like the cool people are over there, but then I didn't know how to get the knowledge. 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:37.519 I went to a Buddhist temple. 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:39.920 Okay, I what, but what is it? 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:50.400 You know, I went to Barnes and Noble, I looked at all the Buddhism books, but it was all like memoirs about how someone became Buddhist, and there wasn't like nobody was explaining to me what Buddhism was. 00:41:50.639 --> 00:42:04.320 And so I wonder, like with people who are not initiated into all these traditions that you've been, you know, so deeply

immersed in, how does someone come up like on this wall of information and they say, I think there's something there for me. 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:05.760 How do I get started? 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:14.400 How do they find the information of like connecting the value of what these traditions are to who they are and making sense of it? 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:17.280 Yeah, it can be difficult. 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:26.320 And essentially you just have to, you have no choice but to go through the material or find people that have been on that path and they can recommend things. 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:42.880 Um and sometimes you you come across, I'm sure you've had people on your in your podcast, that that have this connection, people that that provide you with avenues uh and resources that you didn't have before. 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:49.119 And a lot of times, and and that's why when I was in my mid-20s, and everything was just given to me. 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:54.079 And that's it it varies and it and it oscillates, and sometimes you're given more. 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:58.320 And and that's the whole thing about the initial process and the different degrees, whatever. 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:03.440 You don't need all that, but just the human journey, the the the odyssey of the soul. 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.719 You're gonna have periods where it's hard to find the things. 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:15.360 And for me, I was always you know, I was always such a uh a library and book nerd, I would just go to the library and and investigate. 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:26.159 And now it's I just said now with the internet, it's you know, there's some negatives, but it can it'd be an incredible tool for finding these things. 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:27.599 It's true, especially. 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:35.039 I mean, I don't know if you've used AI, but just talking to AI, you could get a whole tradition explained to you in two seconds if you wanted. 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:39.360 Yeah, and I suppose you could do that for asking for sources. 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:39.920 Yeah. 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:44.079 Did you ever have a book fall off the shelf? 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:46.719 I probably did. 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.000 I don't remember right now. 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:53.119 I've had fall off the shelves before, but not in a revelatory fashion. 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.239 It's a surprisingly common thing that I've heard happen. 00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:59.679 I'm not sure it has, I can't remember a particular instance. 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.360 But you were led. 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:02.559 Oh yeah. 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:03.599 I knew that. 00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:13.119 I it was I was minded every other day or every few days because I'd be given this information or or book or realization. 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:18.719 It really is astounding when it starts all piecing together across traditions. 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:25.599 I remember there was a

period of time I had, it was in 2012, I had six to seven books around me. 00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.519 And I was like, these are all different schools of thought. 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:33.119 But here's this and here's this and here's this, and it's all the same. 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:33.920 Yeah. 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.760 And it can really, it can really blow your mind as you start learning. 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.320 Yeah, but each author is gonna bring something new and a different perspective. 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.199 And again, that's why we're all we're all here. 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:54.320 I recently was, um, you mentioned Plato, and and recently I was learning about Plato's Republic, and I was like, how have I never heard this? 00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:06.559 And I first of all think Plato is just so valuable and so interesting and has created, you know, so many things that I think our society was sort of founded on. 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:11.760 But also like, how did he how did he come up with all that? 00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:17.039 Well, he was an Illuminati like Pythagoras. 00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:35.599 He uh Plato is the most significant mine in in the history of Western civilization art and culture, and people don't know it and they don't teach it at the universities, and that's part of what I do, um, and the whole symbolist tradition. 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:42.559 Uh and I it would take so much to go to go through paper. 00:45:43.039 --> 00:46:30.719 But for example, in the um talk about the republic, and he provided his one of his trans transformational models there, um and it became the the path of education in in the Middle Ages, and they were the the four mathematics, and this was derived and extended by Plato from Pythagoras, but part of the transmutation process, and it's partly the there's an aesthetic part in introverting and not identifying with all the changing uh models and objects and what and what he called doxa, which is opinion, you can become inundated by that, and which is uh accentuated by the times we're living in and being overwhelmed by that stuff. 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:32.159 And he told you to internalize. 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:42.320 And one of the means of touching, touching these eternal ideas, and again the model uh what he called the ideas or the forms, the idea is a better description, that are always there. 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.559 It's like the platonic art, I mean the uh Hugian archetypes. 00:46:47.119 --> 00:47:06.639 And he there is the the the fourfold model of mathematics used to identify and touch some of these eternal ideas, which was uh mathematics, uh geometry, uh music, um, and what's the what's the fourth? 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:08.320 Anyway, I can't get things right now. 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:12.000 Basically, they're they're all founded on on number, oh astronomy. 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.119 And then they're all founded on number. 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:22.239 And this is the whole point of of number as at the root of Pythagoreanism, as a new root of creation. 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:31.280 And one of my have a book, Aphorisms of Light, which basically gives my uh reinterpretation or view of the soul of hermetic tradition. 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.800 And one of my aphorisms is symbol, number, myth, and metaphor form the language of eternity. 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:44.159 And that's the way we as intermediaries communicate these uh these ideas. 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:45.679 You know, they're very simple. 00:47:45.920 --> 00:48:01.119 You can just say those those four uh ideas, whatever they are, but in their infinite implications and extensions and variations, it becomes uh it can become a grand puzzle. 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.000 That's what the mysteries provide, and your inner self can provide. 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:06.239 How do you know? 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:10.719 I had a friend once who could make a connection to anything, right? 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:20.719 And um very flexible mind, a genius, but there could be a web of interconnection, you know, this means this could mean that, could mean that. 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:25.199 And it was not the same as I would see the connections, you know. 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:39.199 Um so I guess from your perspective, how do you define what I is it just a filter, you know, that different people see how things relate and how symbols show truth? 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.880 Is it just through the consciousness of the individual? 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.559 I know it's a very vague question, but maybe you know what I mean. 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:53.039 Well, there's a dynamic between the conscious and the rational, and the subconscious or the intuitive. 00:48:53.280 --> 00:49:06.880 Uh and each of us brings this rational discursive method, and and we can be transformed and touched by these collective unconscious or subconscious ideas or forces. 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:16.000 But part of it, and why there's so many systems and and models, um, is that each of us has has a certain perspective. 00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:31.920 Um and there isn't necessarily one means, and each person is going to bring uh a different uh different pattern or or model or or method, spiritual transformative or intellectual method to understand these. 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:37.840 And that's why there's so much out there and so much to to go through. 00:49:38.239 --> 00:50:04.320 Yeah, and there's a kind of magic that happens with the internalization or interpretation, or you know, when when the truth sort of lands in each person's consciousness and how that's reflected, it's um it's so interdimensional because no two people are experiencing it's like, yes, I do believe there's an objective truth, but each person is experiencing it completely differently. 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:15.920 Yeah, and see this has to do with the the the nature and the the flexible nature of the actual

or ideational realm. 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:22.800 And it has the power, it's it's like a screen that we project onto. 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:42.719 And uh it's uh it has an amorphousness that we give it form to, and that's why the various mystics will have their mystical experiences, their transformations, and they'll be in what uh what you refer to as the astral realm or these various uh hierarchical levels. 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:49.119 Um and they'll they'll project whatever their experience is. 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:54.000 And this is what I found so striking in when I was writing the memoirs too. 00:50:54.159 --> 00:51:05.920 Well, in my experience and going through these experiences, uh, is that you'd find the same essential quality of the experience uh that I had in in St. 00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.480 Teresa Vavala, I was surprised. 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:25.199 She she uh she's an incredible, uh almost poetic writer, and she talks about the eternal realm or your eternal self and talks about it as a crystal, uh a crystal castle with all these many rooms, which is just describing the dimension interdimensional space. 00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:43.440 And this is a whole nother thing, we may have to go into it another time with the whole crystalline realm because that relates to my astral experience with the holy guardian angel or your your archetypal uh eternal self and the relationship to crystals, which I know you you you work with. 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.000 Um but that's where it's so amazing. 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:51.519 It doesn't matter culture, you wouldn't think in Catholicism uh that it would be there. 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:52.400 But that's the point. 00:51:52.719 --> 00:52:00.719 She she's using the model of Christianity to to touch these realms which underlie all of those external forms. 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:16.800 But she she entered she experiences, and that's in uh Saint and John in Revelation, he sees the divine um uh castle or or Jerusalem, the divine city, which is a metaphor for the eternal realm. 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:42.960 And he sees it in terms of crystals and and a fluid of crystal uh river of crystals surrounding it that's made of transparent gold, and and describing it in paradoxical metaphors, which is again the nature of transdimensional consciousness and multidimensional consciousness, and and in alchemy at the top of the alchemical mountain, which is a metaphor for the body and the soul's journey. 00:52:43.199 --> 00:53:03.360 There's uh uh at the top is the crown of ruby and crystals, and this is and in Plato in his cosmology, at the root of creation in his Timaeus dialogue, were the the five polyhedrons, and they formed the root of became the elements and the dadacahedron and the and the cube. 00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:18.320 And there is a realm that underlies it, and this very much is uh understandable in terms of various forms of quantum physics, um, but also in terms of vibrational, everything being

vibrational rates. 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:50.480 And I experienced this Holy Garden angel as a crystalline realm, it's like becoming you become immersed in in the river or the ocean, the galactic ocean of this um cosmic consciousness, and it communicates, you become this fluid crystalline uh ocean, and it's like a kaleidoscope, and each little shift uh becomes a whole world or a means of communication or conception. 00:53:50.800 --> 00:54:04.639 And that's why the mystical process and experience is um is described in terms of uh varieties of religious experience, for example, big textbook um as being ineffable and noetic. 00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:10.400 You can't totally put it into words, which is why the the arts are so uh valuable. 00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:19.760 Noetic is that even if you can't uh articulate it to precision, it provides you with noetic means mind. 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:21.039 It's from the Greek. 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:28.000 Your mind has learned something, your your being, your consciousness has learned something and transformed you. 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.920 And you have this awareness and cognizance that you never had before. 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.000 I love all the crystal metaphors. 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:40.239 I think the multidimensionality nature of crystals is so fascinating. 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:45.840 And I mean, they're like almost the symbol encoded into physical reality, which is why I love them so much. 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:48.480 You know, you can access so much with them. 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:57.039 It also reminds me of like Indra's net, you know, where each of these little multifaceted gems reflecting each other and we're made up of these reflections. 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:04.239 Um, reality is made up of each of us reflecting each other and everything reflecting itself back at itself. 00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:10.400 Yeah, yeah, and that's like the the prima materia in alchemy, the primal matter. 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:21.119 And it which are just vibrational ranges, which will which is what you have with you know the the quantum and and uh microscopic, submicroscopic realms. 00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.440 Um what kind of world would you like to see? 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:27.119 I mean this world? 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.880 If it could transform, what would you want it to be like? 00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:48.719 Well, yeah, equality and care for care for all and uh breaking down of the all the incredible patriarchal constructs that are so controlling uh and repressive. 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:54.880 Um it's it's just it's gonna take a few thousand more years. 00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:03.280 But but every every day in the smallest ways there's re regressions and progressions, but that's the evolutionary quality. 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:06.239 Do you feel like we're accelerated now? 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:12.159 It's hard to say, no, because we're also in a in a in a great whole, vast hall. 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:18.639 And this has to do with the patriarchy and and and leaders and um unbalanced people in authority. 00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:23.039 Um and that's unfortunately that's always going to be there. 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:35.599 Most politicians are not balanced in the way they should be, even if they're good Christians and they care about people, and that's the whole the construct that's uh that's been with us from the beginning. 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:41.360 Um that's why you have there needs to be an infusion of the matriarchal. 00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:47.599 Which is I always identify more with that element, partly because of my Aries. 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:48.960 I don't I don't need that. 00:56:51.360 --> 00:57:00.400 Yeah, I would love to see more of a matriarchal world as well, more balance, more quality, more resource distribution for everyone, so there's not as much struggle. 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.400 Oh yeah, absolutely. 00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:03.519 Awesome. 00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:05.360 Well, where can people find your work? 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:10.480 I'll definitely link, um, link your links, but you've got your books on Amazon? 00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:16.159 Yeah, but all you have to do is go to dgodia.com, which is my website, and it takes you everywhere. 00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:29.360 I have a YouTube channel of uh lectures uh and all the all the books, and they're all just variations, they're all cryptograms, universal cryptograms, even the music. 00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.559 That's why the end of my uh memoirs book. 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:35.840 I I just give a little summary of some of the symbolism. 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.719 So did you say your music you're self-taught? 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:40.480 Pretty much, yeah. 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:42.639 I don't understand how. 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:45.760 Well, that's just it's so amazing. 00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:47.280 Well, that just happens. 00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:53.039 You just yeah, and yeah, you you you just you just know. 00:57:54.000 --> 00:58:05.679 And I'd less again, I talk about this I just a page or two on that element, but uh yeah, it it's you've got so many influences from so many different musical traditions, too. 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:15.280 I mean, you've got your own sound, but you've also got this deep felt awareness of you know different styles and how to incorporate them into this unified whole. 00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:22.880 Yeah, this is my universal eclecticism, which is the whole goal and endpoint of all my creativity and and philosophy. 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:34.800 The common, the commonality and the the music I gave you is basically it touches on all the cultures intentionally, and it's a journey from sun and moon to earth and stars. 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:40.159 And it's uh it's a parable of of the the human journey. 00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:41.440 So I take from all the cultures. 00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:42.400 I always listen to them. 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:47.199 I listen to Indian music, and my father loved jazz, my mother loves classical. 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:51.039 So it all it all became meshed together. 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:53.119 So it's a joy. 00:58:53.199 --> 00:59:01.760 I'll play a song on the outro of this so people can hear what I'm talking about because I I want people to experience this amazing art that you've created. 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:03.760 Thank you so much for your time. 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:12.400 And uh maybe we can have you on the show again and another another time, but it was such a pleasure, and um, thank you for also having that beautiful art behind you. 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:13.599 Oh, yeah. 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:17.920 And for all that you've contributed to the esoteric traditions. 00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.159 Oh, well, thank you for having me on. 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:27.119 I appreciate what you've been doing too with your creative work and your service to humanity. 00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:32.320 So to each their own, we each have our own way of doing it. 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:33.920 It's true.