บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Don Keating 25th Annual Bigfoot Conference uNcomfortable ep 196

wears on you. I mean, they're 72 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.600 great people, but you know how many times can you 73 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:52.680 see the same speaker? Nothing changes, Nothing, nothing dramatic has 74 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:57.720 happened in the world of Bigfoot, dumb that has garnered 75 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:02.040 any kind of different conversation. It's it's all kind of 76 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:09.199 a so anyway, uh, As I said not to throw 77 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:11.759 shade it at any one place, but I had to 78 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:14.319 take a I had to take a step back and 79 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:16.560 just kind of take a break from that part of 80 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:21.360 the scene. It's been a couple of years, uh, and 81 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.319 I decided, you know, I miss it. I want to 82 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:26.519 get back into it, but I want to do it 83 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:31.279 in a in a fashion that will allow me to 84 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:37.079 Rather than being somewhere to sell my merch, you know, 85 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:41.319 to to promote my shirts or my my my podcast, 86 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.480 I want to I want a place where people come 87 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:48.839 up to the booth and tell me about their experience. 88 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:51.000 If they want it recorded, I want to be able 89 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.319 to record it right then and there as they're talking 90 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.480 about it, and you know, stitch it all together and 91 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:00.759 put together an hour, three hours, whatever it may be, 92 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:07.240 of people's experiences and go from there. So when I 93 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:12.160 saw that you were entering back into the arena as 94 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:17.240 it were, it it did a couple of things. One, 95 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:25.040 my fiance is from kim Bolton, which is just a 96 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:29.319 couple of towns over from Newcomers Town. She actually worked 97 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:34.600 at Salt Fork for twenty plus years. She worked on 98 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:38.000 a lot of the banquets, was always a part of 99 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:41.360 When the Ohio Bigfoot Conference came in, she was a 100 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:47.000 big part of navigating that for the for the lodge. 101 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:53.839 She has since moved to Northern Indiana with me and 102 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:59.839 kind of for our story comes full circle. But when 103 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:05.279 I saw the ad for the Newcomerstown event, she worked 104 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:10.199 in Newcomerstown up until the time she moved to Northern Indiana, 105 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:13.160 so I was like, that would be really neat to 106 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.120 be able to go back there. She can spend time 107 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:20.279 with her family, I can do the conference. And so 108 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:21.879 that's how we got here. 109 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:28.439 Okay, cool, go ahead. I was just going to say 110 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:33.199 the event this year is the twenty fifth. It's the 111 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:37.800 twenty fifth one that I've hosted, and I don't know 112 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:40.120 that there will be one next year, but at this 113 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:43.800 time there isn't one in the planning stages. I don't 114 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.160 plan on having another one after this year. And I'll 115 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:51.439 get into more soon as to why, you know, I 116 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.439 decided to have another one this year, But this one 117 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.600 that we're having this year is going to be the 118 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:58.439 twenty fifth annual Bigfoot Conference. 119 00:07:58.720 --> 00:07:59.959 And did you take some time off? 120 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:04.879 I took a lot of time off. Yeah, between the 121 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:07.399 year twenty thirteen, I believe it was. That was about 122 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:10.519 the last time, maybe twenty fourteen fifteen there. I think 123 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:12.959 the last conference that I hosted was in twenty fifteen 124 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.360 at soul Fork. And then I took I said, that's 125 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.759 a you know, the heck with it. I'm not doing 126 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:21.480 it anymore. Let somebody else do it. I don't need 127 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:25.240 the aggravation. I don't I'm not doing this for a 128 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:27.959 pat on the back or to make a million dollars 129 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:29.600 of God knows, there's not a million dollars to be 130 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:31.279 made doing a Bigfoot conference. 131 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:36.600 Well, brother, I feel you in that. As I said, 132 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:41.440 I did two conferences that I put together based on 133 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:44.279 the Dewey Lake Monster. It was called Bigfoot and Bruise. 134 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:49.039 Both years it was it was very very well received, 135 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:54.080 It was popular, We had great turnout. At the time, 136 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.440 I was single and both my kids had moved on 137 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:04.759 and were doing their their own, their own jobs. I 138 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.679 didn't have anybody except a couple of trusted people that 139 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:14.759 I could bounce ideas off of putting putting that together, 140 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:21.440 securing the speakers, getting the money, paying for flights, setting 141 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:26.919 up vendors, you know, the whole thing, right man. What 142 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:31.360 a lot of work, a lot of work and a 143 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:34.840 lot of stress. So brother, for for having done that 144 00:09:34.960 -->

00:09:36.879 for that many years, kudos. 145 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.879 To you, well, thank you. But yeah, I mean there 146 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.240 was the thing of you know, I wanted to continue 147 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:47.279 to do it year after year because I wanted to 148 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.039 continue to get different people in here. You mentioned earlier 149 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.039 about having possibly the same person over and over and 150 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.000 over and over again, speaking year after year after year. 151 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.559 One of my rules of thumb was do not have 152 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.440 the same person speak back to back years. I mean, 153 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.080 unless they've discovered the body, unless they have one in captivity, 154 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:12.159 unless they've been abducted by UFOs and now they have 155 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:17.679 the holy grail as to what the Sasquatch creature is. 156 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.399 And I mean, what is the purpose other than inviting 157 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.639 a friend back to speak again. What is the purpose 158 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:29.879 of having the same person two years or more in 159 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:33.600 a row to give a presentation at your conference, other 160 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.960 than maybe the maybe ten percent of the people that 161 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.320 will attend next year didn't see them this year, and 162 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.759 those ten percent are now happy because they said they 163 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:49.360 can say that they sell whoever at the Bigfoot Conference 164 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:53.399 this year. I just you know, when you're working on 165 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:56.320 a limited budget, it's just you've got to watch where 166 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:59.399 you put all your eggs and what basket, and you've 167 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.960 got to make sure you're going to be Look, I'll 168 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:05.919 give you a little bit of background history in about 169 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.840 thirty seconds or less. In a nutshell. March of nineteen 170 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.480 eighty nine, I held the first annual Bigfoot conference in 171 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:16.080 your Comerstown. We were going to have myself, Ron Schaffner, 172 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:20.840 and I honestly don't remember who the other ones were. 173 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.159 I think there was a fellow from West Virginia that 174 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.399 was invited. There was a fellow from Pennsylvania invited Will. 175 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:30.159 I wanted to get everybody from Ohio and every at 176 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:35.159 adjoining state together in one location, one evening and talk 177 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.240 about what the average size of footprints were for Ohio, 178 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:42.519 the average size of footprints for West Virginia, the average 179 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:46.320 size of footprints for Pennsylvania. The same way with what 180 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:50.240 is the most typical color that people are reporting, What 181 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.919 is the most typical characteristic the mannerisms, the activities of 182 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.639 the sad squash that people spotted. What is the most 183 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:03.200 typic cool activity that the sasquatch was doing in Ohio 184 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.240 and Pennsylvania and West Virginia and Kentucky and Indiana and 185 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:10.159 Michigan when it was spotted. That's why I wanted to 186 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:15.159 put together a conference. So at the last, within two weeks, 187 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.120 and when that conference was to be held in early 188 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.960 March of nineteen eighty nine, three of the four people 189 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:23.559 I had invited to speak had to cancel. You talked 190 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:28.159 about running around with your head spending like a possessed 191 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:33.000 baby doll. I had to like really think of now, 192 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.720 you know, who can I get? I mean, you know, 193 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.000 I'm stuck between a rock and hard place. So I 194 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.480 did get some people together. I got Betty parks from Eaton, Ohio. 195 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.399 Her and her husband Leon had done a considerable amount 196 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.000 of research not only in western and southwestern Ohio, but 197 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:53.240 also up in Michigan. I got John Rigoli, formerly at 198 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:55.720 Saint Claisaur, Ohio, who was at that point in time 199 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.240 what I considered a really great eye witness of a 200 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.080 creature that he had spotted less than on feet away 201 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.200 from his house in Belmont County. I got a fellow 202 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:07.480 by knew Art Crusoe of Youngstown, Ohio, who was a 203 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:11.519 paranormal researchers not only on Bigfoot, but on haunted houses, 204 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.600 crop circles and things of that sort. And of course myself, 205 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:17.720 but I didn't really consider myself a speaker. I was 206 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:21.840 just the organizers. Iish host of the event. And so 207 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:24.600 we got all those people together, we held them meant 208 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.480 the first annual conference. We held it at last in 209 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:31.240 probably three hours, and we had what I considered at 210 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.840 that point in time to be a spectacular turnout of 211 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:40.200 about sixty people. And we said after everybody had cleared 212 00:13:40.240 -->

00:13:42.480 the room, and you know, the next day came along 213 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:44.360 and we had time to scratch our heads and wonder 214 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:48.039 what had just happened. You think this would be a 215 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.480 very productive event once again next year, you know, and 216 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:56.200 people said yes. So I held one in nineteen ninety 217 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:59.279 and I held one in nineteen ninety one ninety two, 218 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.519 and you get yeah, I did. Now. The first time 219 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:03.759 that we brought a person in from a long distance 220 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:06.679 was a lady by the name of Bonnie Stump, and 221 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:10.240 she lived in a town called Stuart's Draft, Virginia, and 222 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:14.399 she wrote a magazine once a month magazine type newsletter 223 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.679 on paranormal events happening all across North America. So I 224 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.039 decided to bring her in because I knew of her 225 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.679 because she subscribed to my newsletter at the time. The 226 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.360 following year, we decided to bring the first person in 227 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.120 from a long ways off and I mean more than 228 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:31.720 a few hundred miles, and we brought doctor Jeff Melderman. 229 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.200 So doctor Meldram can actually blame me for being the 230 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.879 person that got him started in big book proferences. I'm 231 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:42.240 pretty sure that. And you know, I've had him here 232 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:47.000 several times to speak, and he does stellar job every 233 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:48.039 time he comes back. 234 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.559 I just had the pleasure of doing just about a 235 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:56.759 three hour episode with him about a month ago. Very 236 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.639 very nice, very I've met him in person a couple 237 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:04.759 of times. Had a very embarrassing story. I went down 238 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:11.759 to his his booth at Salt Fork maybe three years ago, uh, 239 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:14.159 to pick up a couple of casts that I wanted 240 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.600 for my collection, and uh, we got into a conversation 241 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:21.360 and one thing that led to another, and the next 242 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:24.080 thing I knew, I was I was walking away from 243 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.919 his table with the cast in my hand, and uh, 244 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.600 he literally had to stop me and say, hey, I 245 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:33.480 know we got kind of off on a tangent with 246 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.919 the talking, but you forgot to pay for pay for 247 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.039 the cast. And I was I was absolutely mortified that 248 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:44.960 he had to h to step in and remind me 249 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:45.919 that I had not paid. 250 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:51.759 But oh yeah, there's there was always that possibility because 251 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.080 as many times as you meet up with people, when 252 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.000 you talk to him, you know, it's just you get 253 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:59.200 involved in conversation and you know, it just slips your mind. 254 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:04.600 Yeah, you know, Wed held that ninety seven conference with 255 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.879 Melbourne here and then I don't remember what month ninety 256 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:11.320 seven conference was in. I think it was still March. 257 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:14.679 A few months later, in May of ninety seven, I 258 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.840 spoke at the Sasquash Symposium event out there at Vancouver, 259 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:22.120 British Columbia, Canada. Went back out the Pacific Northwest in 260 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.559 nineteen ninety eight just to visit some friends and look 261 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:27.759 at the territory more. Because you know, I'm a midwestern 262 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.120 guy in Ohio and I hadn't gotten outside of the 263 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:33.759 area within five hundred miles at home for very many 264 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:37.679 times at all, and so I had done that long 265 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:42.759 story short hosted. I hosted twenty four events. This one 266 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.000 coming up has gone to number twenty five. Believe it 267 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:49.200 or not. Marriages have come about as people throughout the 268 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:51.919 years of people meeting each other and getting together and 269 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.600 liking each other, and so they got married. Divorces have 270 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.840 probably come about too, but I don't want credit for those. 271 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:03.000 And there have been so many eyewitnesses that have come 272 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:07.359 forward and told their stories about their encounters at the conference. 273 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.920 I couldn't begin to tell you how many have attended 274 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:16.480 and talked about what they had seen, and the total 275 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.440 number of people that have attended since I held the 276 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:25.359 meeting held the conference was I don't know thousands, tons 277 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:27.960 of thousands of people. I don't know whatever, but I 278 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.799 will I will say one thing that I'm very proud 279 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.720 of and I'm still very proud of to today. And 280 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.880 that is I have never ever had to charge a 281 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:40.480 substantial amount of money for someone to walk through the 282 00:17:40.519 -->

00:17:42.920 door to get into the conference. There is one year 283 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.640 that I asked for a donation of maybe ten or 284 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.440 fifteen dollars, had a hard time even getting people to 285 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.880 donate ten or fifteen bucks. And I have never charged 286 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.039 a dime for a person to walk through the door, 287 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:56.559 and this year will be no different. There will not 288 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.119 be an admission charge at this event on septemb for 289 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:02.000 twenty seventh. Now, if you want to put a donation 290 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:05.839 in the bucket, that's great. I deeply appreciate it, because 291 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.559 there are costs to associate with this, as you know. 292 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:15.240 But I have never asked for people to pay a 293 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:18.119 flat out admission fee to walk through the door and 294 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:22.240 hear a speaker. Give or freeze and take it. But anyway, 295 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:24.599 it's a little bit of a background on how the 296 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.880 conference began back in March of eighty nine. 297 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:32.519 That in itself is impressive, especially in today's day and age. 298 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:40.720 So I guess I need to thank you ultimately, because 299 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:46.119 had you not started what turned into the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, 300 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:51.000 at one point I would not have gone to Salt Fork. 301 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:54.519 Thus ly, I would not have met the woman that 302 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:57.880 I have fallen in love with and recently got engaged to. 303 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:01.960 So thank you, and. 304 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.119 Just make the check out to don Keating, you know, 305 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:09.680 and we'll be happy. Just spell my last name correctly 306 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.799 because a lot of people spelled incorrectly. But yeah, you know, 307 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:17.759 it's that's funny you mentioned that because when I, when 308 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:20.960 I in the past had given public presentations or held 309 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.559 the conference or whatever. And somebody will probably ask me 310 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.240 this again in the least September. Uh, if they will 311 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.160 ask me the question, A simple question like, well, if 312 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.119 somebody wants to get involved in the investigations of the research, 313 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:35.319 what would you what would you suggest to them? And 314 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.240 I and I tell them this from the bottom of 315 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:39.880 my heart with a straight look on my face. The 316 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:44.160 answer would be a very simple don't get involved in it, 317 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.680 because it's going to cause you a lot more aggravation 318 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.960 and costs a lot more money than what you can 319 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:54.000 imagine in the long run. So just sit back in 320 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:58.440 the shadows on the sidelines, watch the watch the events 321 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:02.839 take place, and un old and you know, just do 322 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:03.839 it as a bystander. 323 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:11.079 It is Uh, it's a wonderful topic to be involved with. 324 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:21.279 It is incredibly interesting. The people can be wonderful, the 325 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:32.880 communities can be divisive as all get out. Conferences seem 326 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:38.400 seem to me to be that happy medium where, no 327 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:44.720 matter what your attitude is, conferences seem to be a 328 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:46.440 place where everybody kind of comes together. 329 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:47.559 Right. 330 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:51.759 You know, the the divisiveness of Facebook and the different groups, 331 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:56.200 and you know, the apors versus the non APIs and 332 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.079 and all the different stuff and the arguments and the 333 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:02.559 you know, the know it alls and if it's not 334 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.839 this way, it's the wrong way. That all seems to 335 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:11.880 kind of dissipate and go by the wayside at conferences. 336 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.359 I had a conference at the building back in two 337 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.720 thousand and four that I'm going to be at again 338 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:20.400 this year that David Barbara Civic Center and the Grummerstown 339 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.599 and I kid you not. I was doing an interview 340 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:28.960 with a reporter out of a WSYX channel sixth and Columbus, Ohio, 341 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:33.920 and there was two guys that had attended the conference 342 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:40.960 that were dressed had to tow and silver aluminum foil 343 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:47.279 with some kind of strainer that served as a helmet 344 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:52.839 on top of their head with two aluminum antenni sticking 345 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.319 at the top of their helmets. And they were there 346 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:05.240 at the entire conference. So that's one of those odd 347 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:09.920 ball stories that you know, anybody is welcome to attend, 348 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.079 and everybody has an opinion and everybody has right their 349 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.359 their own theories as to what this thing could be 350 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:20.720 or whatever. I don't think they shot any b roal 351 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.559 footage of those guys for that news piece, thank god, 352 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.920 but they

did get some b roal footage or someone 353 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.880 who was sitting in the audience sleeping. Oh, so I 354 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:37.119 was very appreciative of that. Yeah, you get you get 355 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.400 some interesting folks at the at the events, that's for sure. 356 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:48.400 So ultimately, at some point early two thousands, mid to 357 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:54.039 two thousands, you you handed off the conference to Mark Deworth, 358 00:22:54.079 --> 00:23:01.079 who now runs the Ohio Bigfoot Conference. Correct when when 359 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.519 you made that handoff? And in fact, I believe you 360 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:10.799 were at the speaker's dinner the last year that I 361 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:16.119 attended the Ohio Bigfoot Conference. You were in the h 362 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:20.240 you were with the the group of speakers that were 363 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:24.720 sitting at the different tables, and I never did get 364 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:29.279 an opportunity to talk to you there we had a 365 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.559 very quick meeting of the eyes and I said hi 366 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.119 and you said high and that was essentially it. But 367 00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:42.359 so when you when you handed that off, was there 368 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:50.160 a were there traditions that you wanted to see uh preserved? 369 00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:58.480 Were there were there? Was there any here? You take this? 370 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:02.440 But I want you to continue to X Y Z 371 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.400 or was it just was it just a handoff and 372 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:08.599 make your go of it? 373 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:12.720 Mark and I didn't have a nearly in depth enough 374 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:18.400 of a conversation for it to be at the stage 375 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:21.400 today that I would have liked to have seen it. 376 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:27.160 I at that point in time, I wanted to just 377 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.720 unload it. I was going to close it down altogether. Period. 378 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:35.079 I didn't really care, you know, because again, if you're 379 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.319 doing this for a pat on the back, you might 380 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:39.000 as well forget it, because you're gonna break your own 381 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.200 arm several times patting your own self on the back. 382 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.680 Nobody's gonna do it. Nobody's gonna do it for you. 383 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:45.680 You'll be lucky if you get a dozen people walk 384 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.359 up to you at the end of the night and say, hey, 385 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:49.880 thanks for hosting this. I really appreciate it. I learned 386 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:57.160 something blah blah blah, it does not work that way period. Okay, 387 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:04.440 So I would like to see some things change with 388 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:09.680 the conference the way it is now. Obviously I do 389 00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:12.400 not have full control of the conference. I don't have 390 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:16.039 any control of the conference at all. But that's why 391 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:18.599 I handed it over to Mark, because I didn't want 392 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.440 anything else to do with it. If it ever gets 393 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:24.319 to a point where I think the integrity of the 394 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:27.279 Ohio Bigfoot Conference, which was formerly known as the Annual 395 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:31.359 Bigfoot Conference, if it looks like it's about to go 396 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:34.880 down the toilet, he'll receive a phone call and we 397 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:39.559 will have a conversation. But until then, I'm just going 398 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.400 to let him do his thing. And you know, because 399 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.079 I have no say over it, I don't know how 400 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:49.279 much he respects or appreciates the fact that I hosted 401 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.920 it for all those years until I handed it over 402 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.960 to him. But that's okay. You know, I would say 403 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:01.000 one percent of the general public appreciate what I have 404 00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:04.000 done in the past. But that's that's fine. Like I said, 405 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:05.759 you're not doing it for a pat on the back. 406 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:10.079 But yeah, so I think I answered your question fairly. 407 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.279 I don't. I don't. I don't really care unless it 408 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.559 looks like a train wreck for Ringling Brothers. I don't 409 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:20.680 really care. I don't really care what he does with it, 410 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:23.440 as long as he doesn't make it into a debacle. Yeah, 411 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:25.119 and then that's when, like I said, that's when he'll 412 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:26.599 get a private phone call from me and we'll have 413 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.759 a conversation. Because I am the one, after all, that 414 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:35.079 founded the thing back in nineteen eighty nine, and I 415 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:37.440 am the one who has hosted more conferences than anybody 416 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:40.079 in the United States. I got a little bit of 417 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.640 experience under my belt as to what too and what 418 00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:46.440 not to do to make them, to make them successful, 419 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.880 and to and to withhold the integrity of the event. 420 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.519 What have you noticed, you know, I mean, I'm sure 421 00:26:55.519 --> 00:27:01.759 that you must keep an eye on that conference as 422 00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.279 the years go by. What what change has there been, 423 00:27:05.440

--> 00:27:09.720 if any, in the caliber of the witnesses or researchers 424 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:16.680 now that it's been you know, over two decades of 425 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.319 people coming in and talking. 426 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:30.200 Of the event itself period. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, 427 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.559 like I said, back in the eighty nine and into 428 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.039 the ninety ninety one, et cetera, I held it to 429 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:39.160 try and I think up till the year about two 430 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.200 thousand and four thereabouts. I was hosting it to try 431 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.200 and hold a mixture of speakers, a mixture of speakers 432 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:51.799 that would be inclusive of eyewitnesses as well as researchers, 433 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.920 the people that have done the actual so called grunt 434 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.799 work in the field, but also the people who have 435 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:01.559 claimed to have seen the creature, no matter at what distance. 436 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.200 And you know, like I said, I was out of 437 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.400 it for a long time, and I'm still relatively out 438 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:13.519 of it. But I hadn't done anything. I hadn't even 439 00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.759 attended the conference out of Salt Fork for quite some time. 440 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.039 The first conference that Mark hosted that I after I 441 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.359 handed it over to him was in twenty I believe 442 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:26.880 twenty twelve at the Pritfrid Laughlin Civic Center in Cambridge 443 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:33.640 because Saltfork Lodge wasn't available then afterwards, then the conference 444 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:35.799 moved back out to Salt Fork and it was available 445 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:41.640 a little history on how that conference started taking place 446 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.119 at Saltfork. There might be some people that don't know 447 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.880 the full story, but I'm going to give it to 448 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.000 you in a nutshell. In two thousand and four, I 449 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.359 hosted the conference in your comerce town at the David 450 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:58.000 Barber Civic Center, and within a couple of days after that, 451 00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:00.519 I had a gentleman who worked at Saltfork contact me. 452 00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:02.880 He said, we'd like to know if you'd be interested 453 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.720 in holding the conference out here, because we understand it 454 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:09.200 you're getting a pretty good crowd. Blah blah blah. I said, sure, 455 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.000 I'll come out and meet you, and you can show 456 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.799 me what your rooms look like, and you can show 457 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.920 me how many rooms you got and what kinds of 458 00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:18.960 anemities that are available for the general public who attend 459 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:23.519 the conference, and so on. And they made a good 460 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:25.839 sales pitch. I said, Okay, we'll hold it out here 461 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.079 next year for the first time, and that was in 462 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.839 two thousand and five, and with the exception of twenty twelve, 463 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.440 it's been help us all work Lodge ever since then. 464 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.240 What I would like to see as far as the 465 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:45.000 event is concerned, is more people who have legitimately seen 466 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:50.200 this thing come forward and be given the stage for 467 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.079 however long that they need, up to a certain reasonable 468 00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:56.559 amount of time to tell about what they've seen. Because 469 00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:58.759 after all, that's one of the reasons I started holding 470 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.960 the conference was to get to come forward. I held 471 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.599 it at a monthly big Foot meeting in your comers 472 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.680 down from July of nineteen eighty five until I don't 473 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:12.400 know when it was over twenty years. And the reason 474 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.519 I held that was because up in Alyance, Ohio, there 475 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:17.440 was a meeting up there that started in the nineteen 476 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.240 seventies called the Track County UFO Study Group. Jim rast 477 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.960 Editor and Paul Rozick founded that event, and myself and 478 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.240 Tom Archer went up there one night to one of 479 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.279 their meetings, and on the way back, I'm thinking to myself, 480 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:40.359 these guys have a support group for people who claim 481 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.759 who claimed to have an alien abduction or who claimed 482 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:49.279 to have seen a UFO. Why isn't there one of 483 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.519 these types of groups for people who claim to have 484 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.319 seen a Bigfoot? And so that's what I did. I 485 00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.000 wanted to hold a one time meeting in July eighty five, 486 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.559 hoping people would come forward, give us some new information 487 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.599 and give us some hot leads so we could maybe 488 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.039 get a better track on where this thing could be 489 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.640 the Bigfoot at that time. It turned out that it 490 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.680 was an overwhelming success with people coming through the door 491 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.200 and telling their stories. That's right and every which way, 492 00:31:20.240 -->

00:31:25.480 but loose, and that's why we held them try state. 493 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:27.680 It started out as the Eastern Ohio big Foot Steady 494 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:29.319 Group and it went to the trisity of Bigfoot set 495 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.440 of group because they wanted to expand the name so 496 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.839 we could get more people from Pennsylvania and West Virginia. 497 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:37.720 Because the name sounded Eastern Ohio big Foot Steady Groups. 498 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.599 Maybe they thought, well, people who have seen something in 499 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.079 Ohio and Pennsylvania or West Virginia, maybe they're not welcome 500 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.920 to tell their stories. Well, just to the opposite, they 501 00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.599 were more than welcome to tell their stories. So that's 502 00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:52.559 why we held that event. 503 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.119 So if you if you had an opportunity to redesign 504 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:04.279 the modern Bigfoot conference from scratch, from ground up. Let's 505 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.799 let's say it's your event that's going to be this September, 506 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:13.720 or let's say it's the Ohio Bigfoot Conference. You would 507 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.640 like to see something more akin to a more structured 508 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:21.279 town hall where somebody was given the opportunity to talk 509 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.680 about their experience in front of a group of people, 510 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.680 rather than having to pay for the opportunity to go 511 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:33.079 into a closed room setting and watch a paid speaker 512 00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.319 present the same thing they've presented for the last three 513 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:38.359 or four years. 514 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:41.960 Well, that would be one one way of putting it. Yes, 515 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:44.720 when I held the conference, and like I said, I've 516 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:49.319 held it every year without charging an admission charge, then 517 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.000 I would just like to see that continue on. So 518 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.240 I mean, you've got a family of four people. Look 519 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.519 at the cost plus plus the accommodations, you know, staying 520 00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.799 at the logs AND's all fork or somewhere else. If 521 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.359 it's full, you're talking several hundred dollars just for a weekend. 522 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:08.759 Aving absolutely, I just like I said, I. 523 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:12.319 Have, I have the thought process that I didn't start 524 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.920 it to make a ton of money. I started it 525 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.640 for the reason that I want to find an answer 526 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.160 to the fricking an the question does it or does 527

00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:25.839 it not? Exist? In Ohio? And holding a conference charging 528 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.960 ninety five dollars or however many dollars you charge for 529 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.519 a VIP GIT ticket is not the way to find 530 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.319 the answer. The way to find the answer is to 531 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.519 get out there into the woods and look for the thing, 532 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:41.599 field the reports and do the research. If you really 533 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:44.680 got down to the grass tax of it, you want 534 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.640 to have another weekend where you can look for it. 535 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:53.240 Don't hold the conference at all, and a plan is simple. 536 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:55.680 You know, I'm I was born in Ohio, but I 537 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:59.079 take the attitude I'm from Missouri to show. You want 538 00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.640 to prove something to me, Let's see your let's see 539 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.839 your evidence. If you want to prove something exists, get 540 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.759 your butt out there in the field on a regular basis, 541 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.920 and don't advertise days, weeks, or months in advance where 542 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.880 you're going to be. Get out in the field, do 543 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.559 your stuff, and try to find an answer to the 544 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.280 dang question does it or does it not exist? That's 545 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.519 what we did for years and years and years. We 546 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:25.960 went out to the field. We took our micro cassette 547 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.639 recorders with us. I preached every time you get out 548 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.599 of my car, you better have a tape recorder recording 549 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:35.920 because if you don't. And thirty seconds later we hear 550 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.519 a noise that sounds ungodly. I'm gonna ask you, did 551 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.480 you get it on tape? Oh? Well, I think I 552 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:47.000 forgot the batteries at home. Then go home, plain and simple. 553 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.280 You see something walking across the road fifty yards in 554 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:51.840 front of you, and I had my back to you, 555 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:53.360 and you tell me about it. How long did you 556 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:56.400 see it? Five seconds. Do you get a picture? H 557 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:05.199 forgot to buy the film for the camera? Really go home? 558 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.960 You know, I don't mean to sound shrewd about it, 559 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.679 but as Renee de Heimdon said, you're dealing with one 560 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:23.920 of the biggest anthropological and physiological events undiscovered animals of mankind. 561 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:26.679 And if you're not going to go out there to 562 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.280 look for the thing the way it should be looked for, 563 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:33.119 there's no reason for you to do it. He I 564 00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:36.519 also like to paraphrase him on this, and I'm sure 565 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.400 he wouldn't mind me saying this, but he says, don't 566 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.000 go out into the forest looking for bigfoot behind every 567 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:46.119 pineapple tree, because you're going to see it behind every 568 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.199 pine apple tree. You don't go out into the field 569 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.239 looking for Bigfoot thinking, well, guess what, just because there 570 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.440 was a siding out there on road X Y Z 571 00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.239 a month ago, we're going to see it again. No, 572 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.639 you're not, because five minutes after that witness seen that 573 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:07.039 creature cross road X, Y and Z, it's long gone. Folks, 574 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.039 you ain't gonna see it again unless you're extremely lucky. 575 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.960 And if you're that lucky, you better start playing the lawry. 576 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.039 You know, when I started doing this stuff Back in 577 00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:21.800 nineteen eighty four, I was like, dang, how do how 578 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.639 does John Green? How does Grover Krantz? How does Peter Burn? 579 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:27.960 How does Renee to him? And do this? And at 580 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.480 that time they had only been into it for like 581 00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:31.440 twenty or twenty five years. I say only because that 582 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:33.519 sounds like a small number for me now, but they 583 00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.239 had been into it for twenty twenty five years. I'm thinking, like, 584 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:40.639 how do they do this without losing their sanity? You know? 585 00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:45.239 And I've had the opportunity to stay at John Green's 586 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.719 house three days and two nights and look through all 587 00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:51.679 of his index cards, all his plaster castings, all the 588 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.679 maps on his walls, and had every pinpoint location across 589 00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:01.679 British Columbia and Alberta, Washington, Oregon, Northern idahom On Hannah pinpointed. 590 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.599 And they did it every year because they continued with 591 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.360 the hope that that report that they fielded would be 592 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:14.199 the inevitable answer to the question. I used to think that, well, no, 593 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.920 you don't have to go out and bag a sasquatch 594 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.760 to prove that the sasquatch exists. Maybe you do, maybe 595 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.519 you don't. I had the privilege of

sitting beside doctor 596 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.599 Griver Krantz right beside him, two feet away from him. 597 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.559 We sit there and just talked at the symposium in 598 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.800 nineteen ninety seven while everybody else is inside listening to 599 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:39.000 somebody talk about UFO abductions. And I asked him. I said, no, 600 00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:41.519 you know, I've asked you this question before, Griver, but 601 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.400 I'm gonna ask you again since I'm sitting here in 602 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.519 person with you. I'd like to hear the words come 603 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.079 straight out of your mouth, and I can see your 604 00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:52.719 mouth moving. What would you require for the scientific proof 605 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.280 to say a sasquatch exists? And Griver told me, he said, 606 00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.079 you need a substantial part of the body. If you 607 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.079 find a dead one land in the woods and you've 608 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:05.440 got the ability to take parts of if you don't 609 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.400 have the ability to take the entire body out, and 610 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:11.360 you can take the extremities, do that and then get 611 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:12.519 the heck out of there. And I said, what do 612 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.320 you mean the extremities? She said, two hands, two feet 613 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.119 in the head. And if you can do that and 614 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.679 you can stomach get in it, you better get out fast. 615 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:22.519 And I said, well, why is that? He said, because 616 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.480 where there's one. There is more than one. And if 617 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.760 you just dissected Uncle Joe, his Neph's not going to 618 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:29.599 be too happy. 619 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.639 About it, could you imagine. 620 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:38.360 Yeah, And so that's what he told me. Dahn then 621 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:42.239 had a slightly different opinion. John Green had a slightly 622 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.239 different opinion. I had John Green at my regular meeting 623 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.800 of the Eastern High a big Foot study group in 624 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:51.400 January of nineteen seventy or nineteen eighty nine, and he 625 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.679 stood there and he talked for an hour and a 626 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:58.159 half to the audience. There was a decent audience turnout then, 627 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.519 of course it was in January, but it would have 628 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.679 been nice to have seen three or four hundred people 629 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.400 show up to hear what you had to say. Unfortunately, 630 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:10.239 he's gone now, you know. And the stories that he 631 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.480 told it the at that meeting, as well as the 632 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.440 stories that he told me at his house and all 633 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:18.360 this are what I would consider to be quote unquote priceless. 634 00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.960 So I don't mean to go off on a tangent 635 00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.679 on different aspects of it, but you know, I can 636 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.719 understand how those four guys got so roud when they 637 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.159 see a newbie go out into the field and they 638 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:35.400 think they have the answer and that their way is 639 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.760 going to be the way to prove a sasquatch exists. Well, 640 00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:42.679 maybe it is, but you know, don't brag about it 641 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.679 and boast about it until it happens, because nothing is 642 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.360 a guaranteed thing. There aren't too guaranteed. Two guaranteed things 643 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.760 in life, you know what they are, death and taxes. 644 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:56.239 I don't look I don't look forward to either one 645 00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:03.320 of them, you know, So as as a they handed, 646 00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:11.880 or as a Peterburn would say onward. 647 00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:12.480 Considering you've spent so much of your life in Ohio, 648 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:19.320 to you, what is what would be let's say, the 649 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:24.679 single best piece of Ohio evidence to date. 650 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.679 Well, first you would have to classify what evidence is. 651 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:35.960 If evidence is a footprint or a plaster cast of 652 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:45.400 a footprinter a series of footprints. As I hear the 653 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:52.400 theme song for Jeopardy in the background, Jeopardy, I'm sorry, Alex, 654 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:58.119 I'm gonna lose this one. Uh you know, well, you know, 655 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.599 I mean, we don't think there's that much in the 656 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.320 way of really earth shaking evidence from Ohio to begin with. 657 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.000 I believe the creature is here. If it wasn't at 658 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.079 one time it is, or if it isn't now it 659 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.920 was at one time. There have been some spectacular signings 660 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.320 that have been turned into me. I guess let's just say, okay, 661 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.239 let's say that some of these sidings are evidence. Whish 662 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.079 they're not. But you know that's the first part of 663 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:22.599 a trial. 664 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.599 I wouldn't it is It would be considered anecdotal evidence, right. 665 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.039 Right, Okay, So let's say some of the best anecdotal 666 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:36.199 evidence would be this, the

minerval Monster, the Rome, Ohio 667 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.719 episode of events that took place in nineteen eighty one, 668 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:43.880 maneuver that took place in nineteen seventy eight. I'm not 669 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.400 quite sure about MacArthur in southern Ohio because there was 670 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:48.519 some I want to tell you something. There was really 671 00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:52.440 weird stuff that took place in MacArthur, and I believe 672 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:56.039 the year was nineteen seventy eight. There is some bizarre 673 00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.440 stuff that took place down there. Myself, Tom Archer and 674 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.800 several friends of his went down there, and I don't 675 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.400 remember what the year was. It was in the mid 676 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.559 to late nineteen eighties to MacArthur, to the a Frame House. 677 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.000 It was so well known to the Experimental Forest. Let 678 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:15.079 me tell you something. The Experimental Forest is not for 679 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.239 the weak minded or for the for the week not minded. 680 00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:20.320 But what's what's the word I'm looking at? It's not 681 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.239 for the person that gets scared easily. 682 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.559 What can you can we can we expound on that? 683 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:27.679 Can you can you talk more about? Yeah? 684 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.559 Sure, you walk through the experimental forest. There's not supposed 685 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:33.599 to be anybody in there, right, It's supposed to be 686 00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:35.719 a single person in the experimental forest at all. We're 687 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.519 talking about Wayne National Forest here. 688 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:42.079 For people that don't know what the experimental forest is? 689 00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:44.440 Can you give just a little bit of background on it? 690 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:46.519 Well, the way I understand it, and it'll be very 691 00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.079 brief because I'm not up on too much of it. 692 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.559 But I believe if I understood it correctly, it was 693 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:55.280 in Wayne National Forest and the Mead Paper Company located 694 00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:59.639 in Chili COOFE owned it. Okay, So we go in there, 695 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:01.760 go in there when there's plenty of daylight, we walk 696 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:04.559 this trail. I think one of the guys was armed, 697 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.079 but I wouldn't swear to it, but I'm happy that 698 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.880 they were because in the experimental forest, you know, supposedly 699 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:12.960 rabbits go in their normals sze and they come out 700 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.800 three or four times bigger than they're supposed to be. 701

00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.920 But that being said, we walk around there is not 702 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.480 I kid you not. There's two really weird events that 703 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:28.159 took place in the experimental forest, and I was a firsthand, 704 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.360 number one eye witness to both of these, and they 705 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.079 still kind of make me a little nervous every time 706 00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.960 I think about. The first thing that happened was we're 707 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.119 walking along and the valleys are really deep. I mean 708 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.239 you're dropping a couple three hundred feet to get down 709 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.719 to the creek down below where you're walking out on 710 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:48.239 the road. Right. This is in an area where there's 711 00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:51.159 nobody that lives. There's no houses, there's no tents, there's 712 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:56.840 no nothing that's private property, so to speak. Suddenly you 713 00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:03.880 see floating lights that have no rhyme or reason, no 714 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:08.199 connection to any person, and apparently no connection to any flashlight, 715 00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.760 because we yelled down at him several times to let 716 00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:13.960 them know that we were up where we were at, 717 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:18.519 and there wasn't a single response. Floating lights. I remember 718 00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:21.639 them very vividly. They were bluish white and yellowish white 719 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:26.400 in color, and they didn't they weren't They didn't bounce 720 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.320 up and down like they would when a person would 721 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:31.239 typically walk through the woods or down the street or whatever. 722 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.480 They just floated like an or so to speak. Now, 723 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.719 when we got out of the area, thank god, and 724 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:42.880 it started going back, Tom says, hey, let's stop at 725 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.000 the A frame house. Okay, sure, So we stopped at 726 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.519 the A frame house, and of course it's an a 727 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.079 frame We walked up to it because there was a 728 00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.639 bandon at this point in time. We looked in the 729 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.239 two doors, two sliding glass doors, and we can see 730 00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:57.320 the moonlight they were shining on some stuff because there 731 00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:01.320 were lights, ceiling lights let in the moonlight at night. 732 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:05.119 And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, this 733 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:13.519 blueish white, for lack of better terms, light materializes out 734 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:18.079 of nowhere. It floats around inside the inside of the 735 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:25.280 A frame house, and then it just disappears. Really and 736 00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:30.000 so you gotta stay to yourself, what in sam hill 737 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.760 am I doing investigating this kind of stuff? So you 738 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.679 don't there's no there's no logical answer for it. There 739 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.480 was nobody there, where did it come from? Where did 740 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.079 it go? And it didn't it wasn't self luminescent. I 741 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.519 shouldn't say that it wasn't one of these lights where 742 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:49.599 it would shine a beam down to the floor to 743 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.960 see where it's going. It was just a bluish white. 744 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.199 There was illumination, but it wasn't anything direct. 745 00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.760 Yeah, it didn't shine on things to make it look 746 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.440 like there was a flashlight shine like the fireplace. 747 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.480 You know. Don in one of my most in one 748 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:10.800 of the most early paranormal investigations that I had done. 749 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.639 It was it was just thrown together. It was something 750 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:20.800 that my kids grew up watching ghost hunters and ghost 751 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:26.039 adventures and stuff like that. And we had a very old, 752 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.519 very small cemetery that was not far from the house. 753 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:38.239 Summer night. It was beautiful night, it was dark. We 754 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.519 went out there about ten thirty. We got to the 755 00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:46.480 gates and I told my excuse me, I told my 756 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.400 kids and a couple of their friends. I said, listen, 757 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.239 we're not here to screw around. We're not here to 758 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.960 be disrespectful. I said, let's just go in. Remember that 759 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.119 we are walking in an area that people are laid 760 00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:05.920 to rest, and let's respect that. Let's just see if 761 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:14.360 we can experience anything. And we had a couple of 762 00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.039 things happened throughout the night, but the most significant thing 763 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:22.039 at the at the we had made our way to 764 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.000 the back of the cemetery and then worked our way 765 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.119 back forward to buy where the car was, excuse me, 766 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:33.239 and near the end of it, my daughter had called 767 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:39.760 me back into this one corner of the cemetery and 768 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.760 there were two very large trees, and then when you 769 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.639 walk between those trees there were one or two, maybe 770 00:47:46.679 -->

00:47:51.559 three monuments, and my daughter had said, dead, dead, Dad, 771 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.559 come back here. I think she was like fourteen or fifteen. 772 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:59.199 She says, it's really cold back here. And I'm thinking 773 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.559 to myself, you know, of course you've been watching ghost 774 00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:05.519 adventures and all these things. You know, sure it's cold. 775 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.440 So I walked between those trees to go back to 776 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:10.599 where she was, and sure enough, as soon as I 777 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:16.159 walked between those trees, the temperature was considerably lower. Now, 778 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:18.360 as I said before, this was about ten thirty eleven, 779 00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:22.079 maybe going on eleven o'clock, so it was dark. The 780 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.719 sun hadn't been beating down on the on that property 781 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:31.079 for hours, so walking from where I was to where 782 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:35.760 she was, that difference in temperature was pretty significant and 783 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:40.960 very noticeable. I had a camquarder in one hand that 784 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:48.400 was filming, and I had a Kodak digital camera in 785 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:51.519 my other hand, which I was taking pictures with, but 786 00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:56.519 I had the the cam quarder was rolling and we 787 00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:58.480 stood there in front of this monument that might have 788 00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:02.480 been six feet tall. Reminded me of the Washington Monument, 789 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.960 you know, very very tall, narrow, with a kind of 790 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.800 a pyramid at the top of it, and it was 791 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.599 it was polished, it was I assume it was granite. 792 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:17.760 And as we were standing there, I wasn't looking at 793 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:21.280 the viewfinder in the camcorder, but it was pointed to it, 794 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:26.280 and luckily as this happened, I was pointed at that, 795 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.920 so I got it on film. And what we saw 796 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:36.119 was about about maybe a little bit smaller than the 797 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:40.719 size of a golf ball, which came out of absolute 798 00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.880 thin air in front of us. It much like what 799 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.159 you just said it It had an illumination to it, 800 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.679 but it did not illuminate anything around it. It was 801 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.239 like a self illuminated but there was nothing about the 802 00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:04.159 light source that was glowing on anything else. And it 803 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:09.559 came into our perception and it zipped around in a 804 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.559 you know, kind of like a figure eight, and then 805 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:18.599 just burned out. It just poof. It was gone, and 806 00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:24.199 my daughter, who like I said, was fourteen, maybe maybe fifteen, 807 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:29.159 standing there beside me, going holy shit, holy shit, holy shit, 808 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:33.840 holy shit. Did you see that? And you know, I mean, 809 00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:38.079 I love my daughter and I'm not stupid. I know 810 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:39.800 that she talks like that, but you know at that 811 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:42.039 point you're wanting to correct her and say, hey, don't 812 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:46.239 talk like that. But what we saw was that was 813 00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.840 holy shit because there was a light source that came 814 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.480 out of nothing, out of nowhere. It wasn't a firefly, 815 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:58.800 it wasn't a bug, it wasn't a moth that got 816 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.760 you know, A light was shining on it and it 817 00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:07.480 just flickered. This thing came out of nowhere on its own, 818 00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:11.159 zipped around, and then poof was gone. And I ended 819 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:15.440 up taking that recording. I still cannot bring myself to 820 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.760 throw away the hard drive that it is on, but 821 00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.039 I have not been able to access that hard drive 822 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.280 for about ten years now. I still have it. I 823 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.000 could take you into my house right now. I can 824 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:26.599 show you where that hard drive is, but I can't 825 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:30.480 access at that video. But I had at the time, 826 00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:40.320 I had slowed the film down at twenty five fifty 827 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:44.440 and seventy five percent of the original speed, and even 828 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:49.599 at seventy five percent of the original speed, it was 829 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.880 maybe three and a half seconds worth of footage. It 830 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:58.519 was that fast where it came out of nowhere, turned 831 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:02.400 into a small ball of light, zipped around and then 832 00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:03.800 poof was gone. 833 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:09.079 Yeah, that's that's it sounds like you know what we're 834 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:12.519 seeing down there at the A frame. It just appeared 835 00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.119 and kind of like moved around a little bit and 836 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.119 then it just disappeared. 837 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:23.039 You know, as far as far as you're concerned, when 838 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:27.000 when you start getting into stories like what we just 839 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:32.840 talked about, where where does your head lie on the 840 00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:37.719 idea of I don't mean necessarily whether or not you 841

00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.639 think these things are paranormal, or if they are aliens, 842 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.559 or if they're traversing through portals or anything like that. 843 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:48.199 But you know, when you when you do start to 844 00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:56.559 consider a sizable portion of of many encounters do seem 845 00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:02.840 to include things that we would considered to be even 846 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:09.480 more odd, even more I guess paranormal is the best, 847 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.239 the best phrase, but I don't mean it in ghosty stuff. 848 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:18.599 It's just beyond our what our normal scope of understanding is. 849 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:20.800 Where do you where do you fallow? 850 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:27.360 With that, well, you know, after rather being involved full 851 00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:31.079 time or just behind the shadows, so to speak, for 852 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:36.039 for forty years plus. Uh, you know you have you 853 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.239 can't just ignore it, sweep it under the rug and 854 00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:42.880 say it doesn't exist. That being said, I you know, 855 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:52.239 there's got to be something out there that is considered 856 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:58.119 the definitive proof as to whether or not Sasquatch exists. Now, 857 00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:06.400 if that something is a flying saucer that hovers over Rome, Ohio, 858 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:11.079 that's the beam down to the cornfield, and a Bigfoot 859 00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.960 creature comes out of the beam and walks through the cornfield, 860 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.400 then so be it. At least we have an answer. 861 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:25.559 But I've heard numerous stories. I had a lot of 862 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.679 people attend my Track County and or Try State big 863 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.719 footstead Of group in my Eastern Hot big Foot stead 864 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:36.280 Of group back in the day who were avid UFO believers. 865 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.079 I mean they were avid. And when I attended the 866 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.719 Track County Ufo stead a group and alliance, they were 867 00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:43.840 more avid up there than what they were at my 868 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:49.199 Bigfoot meeting. And I'm not going I cannot look at 869 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.280 a person and say you're wrong. And I won't look 870 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.280 at a person and say you're wrong, because everybody has 871 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.679 a reason for their theory or for their belief, or 872 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:02.079 for the idea, or whatever the case may be. Be 873 00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.920 it all the reportse that they've heard, all the investigations 874 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.920 they've done, or all of the experiences that they've had, 875 00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.960 they have in their own mind a reason for why 876 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.719 they believe the way they do as to what the 877 00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:20.199 definitive answer is to what this thing is, or where 878 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.119 it's from, or whatever the case may be. I will 879 00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:28.239 never tell anybody that they're incorrect, because that's very disrespectful 880 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:31.920 for one thing, and I don't have all the answers. 881 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:33.559 Yeah, it's incredibly dismissive. 882 00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:38.320 Yeah, so you can't. You can't tell them. It's like 883 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.599 Ron Schafner used to use a saying and they use 884 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:44.400 it at the Track County UFOs ditit ridicule without investigation 885 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.199 is the crown of ignorance upon the head of a fool. 886 00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:53.159 So I mean, no matter how much you investigate. Although 887 00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:55.119 I will say that I've heard of a few stories 888 00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:58.239 from Pennsylvania where somebody was out in the forest. They 889 00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.280 had a shotgun with them. They've seen a big in 890 00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:02.639 the distance. They shot at it. There was a flash 891 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.920 light and little and behold the thing disappeared. Well, I'm 892 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:09.079 not an avid hunter. I don't even hunt. I don't 893 00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:11.280 own a gun. But correct me if I'm wrong. But 894 00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:13.480 when you shoot a shotgun, isn't there a little flash 895 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:14.760 of light that comes out of it? 896 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:15.480 Absolutely? 897 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.440 You know, So maybe the creature disappeared pretty quick, before 898 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.000 it got a chance to come rip your head off 899 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.679 for shooting at it, or before you got another shot 900 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.800 off at it. And you might have just thought that 901 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.840 the thing disappeared into a break flash of light because 902 00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:33.159 you were so scared to death to begin with you 903 00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:34.039 took a shot at it. 904 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:35.960 Yeah. 905 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.639 Uh, So, you know, I could dismiss a couple of 906 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.159 reports like that saying that, you know, I don't think 907 00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:42.800 they disappeared in a flash of light. They could have, 908 00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:46.400 but I wasn't there, so I can't say definitively one 909 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:50.800 way or the other. But all I know is, for 910 00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.559 as many years as this thing has been talked about 911 00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:57.880 across North America around the world, there's got to be 912 00:56:57.920

--> 00:57:02.920 something out there. Ay Hendon's said one time, and I'm 913 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:04.360 not going to paraphrase him because I'm not going to 914 00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.679 use the profanity, but he said, there's got to be 915 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:12.920 something making them footprints. You can go back even before 916 00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:18.119 nineteen fifty eight for the the Jerry Crue incident. You 917 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:22.079 know there's got to be something making those footprints. And 918 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:29.239 if you take John Green said, take every siding report 919 00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:33.679 in my file, in my index files, and throw them 920 00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:39.400 out as misidentification, as a hoax, as whatever you want 921 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:44.199 to say. Throw every one of them out, with the 922 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:50.880 exception of one. And if that one is a legitimate, 923 00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.000 true to earth siding of what we call a sasquatch creature, 924 00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:02.199 guess what we have a problem. Yeah, and that problem 925 00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:06.280 is there's something out there, and I don't know of 926 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:12.800 anyone who has been able to throw every single siding out. 927 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:16.679 You used the word misidentification, and that led me to 928 00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:20.280 something that I wanted to get in two with you. 929 00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:26.239 If you could take us back to September of eighty five, 930 00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:31.840 what what exactly did you see on that night. 931 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.400 While we were out there. We were using a recording 932 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:39.079 that Tom Marsher had with him. Uh, it was it 933 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:42.280 was a It was a dramatization of what people think 934 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:44.360 is a big foot sound. So we were playing it 935 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.119 time and time again. This is an area in far 936 00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:50.119 northern burnas the County, four miles south of Newcombers, down 937 00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:52.920 where there had been and it wasn't by me, but 938 00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:58.039 there had been numerous countless citing the track discoveries animals 939 00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.679 coming up missing right on this small area of land, 940 00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:04.360 and we played the sound over and over again. There 941 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.719 were four of us, myself, Tom Archer, one of the 942 00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.280 residents who had lived out there, in another researcher from 943 00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:14.360 northeast Ohio. Myself and Tom were at the frontend of 944 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:20.920 his car in the driveway. The third researcher was up 945 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.840 at the I believe it was in the southeast corner 946 00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:27.599 of an old dilapidated barn with the resident. So those 947 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:29.559 two guys were up there, and Tom and I were 948 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:36.840 at the front end of his car. And there are 949 00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.199 golden rod weeds. Anybody that's familiar with them know they 950 00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.599 grow four to five feet high at their fullest during 951 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:47.159 the fall, early fall, golden rod weeds that covered that 952 00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:50.079 entire open field there to the north of the property, 953 00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.039 or the north end of the property, between the barn 954 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:58.480 and the house. And something caught my attention that was 955 00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:01.400 starting to come into that field of golden rod weeds. 956 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:06.400 And here's how here's a perfect example as to being 957 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:10.400 caught off guard. I had a thirty five millimeter shin 958 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:14.559 on camera hanging around my neck with the flash on. 959 01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:19.159 Hanging around my neck with the flash on, this thing 960 01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:22.920 walks towards me, and I yelled at it three or 961 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.679 four times. I think I said Mark, or something to 962 01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:28.440 that fact. I said, Mark, Mark, I'm down here. And 963 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:33.000 it just kept walking like towards the chicken pin that 964 01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:36.920 was out there, and it stopped a short distance a 965 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.320 short distance from the chicken pin, and then it walked 966 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:42.480 straight away from me towards the northeast, about twice as 967 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:46.880 fast as it had come towards the chickenpin. And it 968 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:54.920 was very light in color, and it was it was 969 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.599 a good bit taller than what those golden rod weeds were. 970 01:00:58.039 --> 01:00:59.719 I would say that the waste of the thing was 971 01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:02.159 as as a golden rod, and the golden rod was 972 01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:06.599 between four and five feet high. And to prove the 973 01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:08.960 fact that something had walked through that field, the next day, 974 01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:12.199 myself and the northeast of higher researcher went back out 975 01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:17.719 there and we found a very clear trail at the 976 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:20.639 exact location from where I seen it walk into the 977 01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.199 field walk to the chicken pin and then walk away 978 01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:27.440 twice as fast as it had come down into the 979 01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:32.480 area of the chicken pen. And again. That was September 980 01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:35.480 fifteenth of eighty five at ten oh four pm, give 981 01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:39.840 or take a

couple of minutes. And the reason I 982 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:43.039 mentioned the camera is I never even thought I forgot 983 01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:46.400 about the camera hanging around my neck. If I had 984 01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:49.239 been to my wits end, I or to my you know, 985 01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:51.719 thinking logically, I would have picked it up and snapped 986 01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.800 a picture in that area. Now, if it was something else, 987 01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:57.679 it might have got a little aggravator or whatever because 988 01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.320 of flash was just shot in this direction. It might 989 01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:06.360 have been a different story. But that's that's you know, 990 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:10.079 that could have been a sasquatch. I don't know. I 991 01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:12.039 know it was big enough, I know it was tall enough. 992 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.599 I know it was walking quite rapidly when it walked away. 993 01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.639 Because there have been numerous sightings out there. There was 994 01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.960 one night when the researcher from Northeast Ohio and won 995 01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:28.440 of the residents, the same two guys that in fact 996 01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:30.960 they were up at the corner of the barn that night. 997 01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:36.280 They were sitting on the steps at the backside of 998 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:40.239 the house. Not my story theirs. They both verified it 999 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:46.360 together and individually. At one point in time, they were 1000 01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:50.400 looking out across an open field that had high wings 1001 01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:53.960 in it, three feet high or whatever, and at one 1002 01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:59.760 point in time they seen no less than six sets 1003 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:07.039 of self luminescence red glowing eyes at different heights at 1004 01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:15.239 the same time. And my response to them is the 1005 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:19.480 same response you're having right now. I had no idea 1006 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:21.920 what to say about that. I couldn't look at them 1007 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.800 and say, what kind of rocky tobacco were you guys smoking? 1008 01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:30.719 You know, But they were straight as an arrow because 1009 01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:33.119 they were drinking pop and they didn't do that kind 1010 01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:37.960 of thing. You know. So you've heard of lightning bugs, 1011 01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:43.599 you've heard of glow worms. Those are two creatures that 1012 01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.320 we know exist, tiny little things, and they're self luminescence. 1013 01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:51.880 Why can't a sasquatch have something in its makeup, its 1014 01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:56.320 eyes that, at some point in time or another, their 1015 01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:59.519 eyes let off a glow

like a firefly does, or 1016 01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:04.639 like a a glow worm does. There's not a single 1017 01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:07.880 place on the face of the earth that is one 1018 01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:12.239 hundred percent dark at night, not a single place. No 1019 01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:16.239 matter where you go, you have to go subterranean. To 1020 01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:20.760 get to complete darkness, such as a cave, because there's 1021 01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:24.199 plenty of ambient light out there if your if your 1022 01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:26.960 eyes are adjusted well enough, even on a I mean, 1023 01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:28.400 if it's on a clear knight, you're going to get 1024 01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:30.559 ambient light. If it's not a cloudy nights, you're gonna 1025 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:32.880 get even more ambient light because the cloud cover roll 1026 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.599 keep the light from nearby towns from being shot up 1027 01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:41.599 out into space. So I guess my point is there 1028 01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:46.079 is light that is out there for creatures that have 1029 01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:49.119 the ability to make their eyes shine at night, or 1030 01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:53.519 their bodies or whatever, like the glowworm. And so I 1031 01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.639 used to think, well, now that's really bizarre. Well it's 1032 01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:59.719 not so bizarre because I can look at fireflies and 1033 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:03.599 glow worms every year. They're not bizarre. You just got 1034 01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:05.960 in a word to look for him. They have a way 1035 01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:09.000 of doing that. Well. In the back of the eye, 1036 01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:10.880 there is what the call I believe it's called the 1037 01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:13.440 tape tum. It's a mirror in the back of every 1038 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:16.559 person's eye. And that used to be why you always 1039 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:20.239 got red eyeshine from Aunt Mary when you shot a 1040 01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.159 photo of he at Christmas time in her best looking sweater. 1041 01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:27.159 And she says, I got red eyes. Well, yeah, I know, 1042 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.440 but sorry, I couldn't do anything about it because flash 1043 01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:33.760 reflected off the back of the mirror in the back 1044 01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:38.320 of the eye. So did I answer your question adequately 1045 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:39.840 or did I go off on a tangent again? 1046 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:41.719 H yeah, you might have gone on a tangent. But 1047 01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:45.039 I think it's all It's all good because I mean, ultimately, 1048 01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:47.440 we're here just to have a discussion about, you know, 1049 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:50.559 the weirdness and what the hell these things are. 1050 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:53.960 You know, I've been doing this since nineteen eighty four. 1051 01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:57.719 I was interested in nineteen eighty. I wrote an article 1052 01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:59.880 for the Newcomers down New Was in October of eighty 1053 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.000 about some incidents that were taking place at Lake is Left, 1054 01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:05.800 four miles southwest of where I live. And then I 1055 01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:07.719 got out of it. And then I read John Green's book. 1056 01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.719 I always blamed John for making me totally totally crazy, 1057 01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:20.159 and he said, you're welcome. But I I've got if 1058 01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:23.119 you've seen my basement and know how many videotapes are 1059 01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:26.719 in my basement or how many audio tapes are in 1060 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:37.119 my basement photos, I've got all that stuff, and we 1061 01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:38.960 still don't have an answer to the question as to 1062 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:43.119 whether or not it exists. You know about that one. 1063 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:46.360 The next time you go to the library, you. 1064 01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:49.519 Know you bring up you bring up that point, and 1065 01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:58.360 I don't know. Do I want to know what it is? Yes? Absolutely? 1066 01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:01.599 Do I want to know de finishtively if we have 1067 01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:05.920 been led astray and it's just been an absolute pile 1068 01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:10.079 of horse dung, or if there is something to it. 1069 01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:16.039 Do I necessarily need to know what it is? No, 1070 01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:21.920 but I do need to know if it exists or not, 1071 01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:27.159 because you know, in the in the job that I do, 1072 01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:32.880 my job is to talk to people who have had experiences. 1073 01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:36.039 Right, and not that I didn't mean to interrupt you, 1074 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.519 But then that brings up an interesting question that I 1075 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:41.920 opposed to you as being a as an as a 1076 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.400 question or for the past forty plus years and witnesses, 1077 01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.400 and you're not necessarily a witness. But then I ask 1078 01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:48.679 you this question, and you've talked to all these people 1079 01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:52.519 on your show for the past few years, A real 1080 01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:54.880 quick answer, does it or does it not exist? 1081 01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:55.559 Absolutely? 1082 01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:56.719 In your opinion? 1083 01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:02.960 Absolutely? Okay, there are there are people who have had 1084 01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:13.719 experiences that are mundane and trivial and to most people 1085 01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:20.760 would probably seem like, yeah, so what. But to be 1086 01:08:20.800 -->

01:08:24.520 honest with you, is some of those experiences that the 1087 01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:27.640 people that I've talked to, some of those are the 1088 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:32.520 more interesting to me because I think it's one of 1089 01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:37.600 the components of human nature is you know, I had 1090 01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:47.640 an experience hunting where something was walking behind me. I 1091 01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:51.079 could turn it into a classic I was being paste 1092 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:56.399 out of the woods. At the time, I thought it 1093 01:08:56.439 --> 01:09:00.159 was the landowner because I had ventured onto property. It 1094 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:05.119 was not mine not to hunt it. I had left 1095 01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.079 my weapon back at my tree stand on the property. 1096 01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:10.119 I did have right to hunt, but it was just 1097 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:13.800 a very interesting piece of property. There was wetlands, there 1098 01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:17.720 was grass that was obviously bedded down in from the deer. 1099 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:23.079 There was a significant area of white pines where the 1100 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:26.000 turkeys would roost. It was just a very interesting piece 1101 01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:30.920 of property. As I was walking out of that property 1102 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:34.680 back to where I had the right to hunt, I 1103 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:39.279 started hearing something walk behind me. At first, for the 1104 01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:41.319 first couple of minutes, I thought it was a landowner. 1105 01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:43.680 I stopped. I clearly had my arms down at my 1106 01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:47.319 side to show that I didn't have any weapon. I 1107 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:51.960 stood there. He never said anything, and so I started 1108 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:55.279 to walk again. When I started to walk, it started 1109 01:09:55.319 --> 01:10:00.880 to walk halfway back to my hunting stand. Even though 1110 01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:06.159 Bigfoot was a part of my enthusiasm and my enjoyment 1111 01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:10.840 of all things weird and strange, what actually took over 1112 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.800 was I thought that I had a very large buck 1113 01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.000 who decided to follow me back to my deer stand, 1114 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:23.800 thinking that I might have deer estress on me from 1115 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:29.000 a previous hunting trip, and it was smelling that on me, so, 1116 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:34.239 you know, So the rest of that story wound up 1117 01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:38.439 being I thought that this was a By the time 1118 01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:41.399 I got back to where I could reach my shotgun, 1119 01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:47.079 this was the largest buck that southwestern Michigan had ever seen, 1120 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:49.880 and I was going to be all over the newspapers 1121 01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:51.760 and whatever. You know, I've only been hunting a couple 1122 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:54.920 of years and I got this world record white tail. 1123 01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:01.960 At the point where it let go of a volume 1124 01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:18.479 us very very loud grunt accompanied by a very large 1125 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:27.039 exhale of breath kind of simultaneously. I mean, I can't really, 1126 01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:31.279 I couldn't repeat it, but it was it was. It 1127 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:36.640 was a grunt and a and another noise, but then 1128 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:41.439 there was the the sound of the actual exhale as 1129 01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.800 and then I heard thump thump, and I had reached 1130 01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:48.520 my gun, I had had it pulled up, and I 1131 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.920 was getting Ultimately, I was getting ready to turn and 1132 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:57.880 expected to see a large buck within twenty feet of 1133 01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:02.760 where I was standing. Well, I heard that volumeless exhale 1134 01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:06.680 and that room and I heard thump thump, and I 1135 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:10.279 turned and there was nothing there. And I stepped back 1136 01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:13.720 onto the property that I didn't have rights to to 1137 01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:15.920 look in the direction that I heard it. I didn't 1138 01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.319 see any twigs moving, I didn't see any leaves falling 1139 01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:22.760 back down to the ground. I didn't see anything I 1140 01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:26.079 fully expected to see, you know, a white tail sticking 1141 01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:29.640 out of one side of a big tree, and the 1142 01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:32.359 nostrils and the nose of a deer sticking out of 1143 01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:34.399 the other side of the tree, completely clear, you know, 1144 01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:38.720 keeping me from taking a shot. Yeah, but there was nothing. 1145 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:43.159 And kind of after I got my my sense is back, 1146 01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:46.960 you know, the beating of my heart and everything kind 1147 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:49.880 of slowed down a little bit. I decided, you know, 1148 01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:51.840 there was only a couple of minutes left of hunting light, 1149 01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:55.479 so I decided to walk back to where my car 1150 01:12:55.560 --> 01:13:01.399 was parked and As I walked out of the the 1151 01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:07.119 woods and got into the field, I directly turned so 1152 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:11.439 that the woodline was on the left of me and 1153 01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:14.000 started walking back to my car, which was about three 1154 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:18.680 hundred yards maybe three hundred and fifty yards away. As 1155 01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:23.239 I was walking, I pulled my flashlight out off my 1156

01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:27.520 utility belt like Batman, and I shind it into the 1157 01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:32.279 woods because I continued to hear something walking in the 1158 01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:41.119 leaves along my left hand side. And my son, if 1159 01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:43.279 he listens to this, would attest he and I have 1160 01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:49.239 both have fetishes for the best flashlights. I always looking 1161 01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:55.119 for something smaller and brighter and more powerful. And we 1162 01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:59.720 love flashlights and we love multi tools. That's what we 1163 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:02.680 spent a lot of our money. And you know, I 1164 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:06.159 had this. I had this flashlight and it would light 1165 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:11.199 up the night. And I two thirds of the way 1166 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:16.279 back to my car, I heard this walking in the 1167 01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:22.319 leaves just inside maybe ten feet maybe fifteen feet inside 1168 01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:26.319 the tree line. I'm probably five yards outside of the 1169 01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:31.439 tree line. And I never saw a damn thing move. 1170 01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:34.600 I never saw a leaf get moved. I never saw 1171 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:38.720 a twig on one of the low lying brush move. 1172 01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:43.359 But yet I heard the crunch crunch, crunch. Could I 1173 01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:50.159 discern between bipedal and quadrupedal? I would like to think 1174 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.720 that I've spent enough time having a dog in my 1175 01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:55.840 life that I know the difference between something that walks 1176 01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:58.000 across the floor and sounds like it has four legs 1177 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:02.960 versus two legs in the woods instead of a hardwood floor. 1178 01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:06.479 I don't know that you can really make that assessment. 1179 01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:09.159 All I know is I continued to hear it two 1180 01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:11.800 thirds of the way back to my car. Never saw 1181 01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.000 anything move, never saw a twig move, never saw any 1182 01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:19.720 sign of life. And at about the point that I 1183 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.840 got near the back of the home that was the 1184 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:28.800 property that I was hunting on, the motion sensor picked 1185 01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:33.720 me up and kicked on. Didn't shine directly at me, 1186 01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:36.800 It shined more at their backyard, but it picked up 1187 01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:40.000 my motion. It kicked on, and from that point to 1188 01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:42.680 the rest of the rest of my journey to my car, 1189 01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:47.920 I didn't hear another word or another sound. Was it bigfoot? 1190 01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:54.359 Have no idea? Probably not? Was it something I clearly 1191 01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:58.199 remember it? It was? It left quite an impact on me. 1192 01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:01.119 It wasn't until a couple of years later, maybe three 1193 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:05.560 years afterwards, that I kind of started putting together two 1194 01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:10.279 and two with already having looked into how many people 1195 01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:17.119 I've had discussed the same type of stuff again, for 1196 01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:19.479 the most part, you know, I thought it was a 1197 01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.960 large deer that I just missed out on. But then 1198 01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.119 it kind of started getting weird and it kind of 1199 01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:30.680 started playing on my brain. So I don't know, you know, 1200 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:32.439 what was that? 1201 01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:37.640 Right? Yeah, I've had an encounter or somewhere of that 1202 01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:41.239 way back in the late eighties, just south in Theircomers 1203 01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:43.359 down when we were going to the what they call 1204 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:48.359 the Postboy Tunnel. It was an old railroad bed, and 1205 01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:50.600 I had someone who told me that they had also 1206 01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:54.159 had an encounter where something seemed like it was just 1207 01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.840 pacing them for a period of time. And it was 1208 01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:00.640 the same way with us, as there were four of 1209 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:06.000 us out there, and we all four were very quiet 1210 01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:09.000 and listening to our surroundings, and it sounded like something 1211 01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:12.640 was pacing us as well. So who knows. 1212 01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:17.239 It's it's a it's a bizarre it's a very interesting thing. 1213 01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:24.960 I love the I love the mystery of it. I 1214 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:29.159 hope it is what I think it is. Yeah, And 1215 01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:35.800 I would without harm coming to it, would love to 1216 01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:42.960 I gotta be careful how I word this, because if 1217 01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:48.520 if it was brought to light publicly, then the searches 1218 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:54.840 on even more so than it already is. And I 1219 01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:59.159 don't I think it deserves the respect of being left alone. 1220 01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:06.560 But I also think that as humanity deserves to know 1221 01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:14.199 what this is. So if we could achieve that in 1222 01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:20.560 encompassing both of those aspects, have the heart to at 1223 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:24.479 least recognize that it's real and be able to stay 1224 01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:27.039 away from it and let it do its thing, that 1225 01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:31.239 that would be great. I don't think that it's possible, right, 1226 01:18:32.239 -->

01:18:36.000 but you know, and you know, you got. 1227 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:40.000 To remember that the silverback guerrilla as well as the 1228 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:46.319 panda weren't scientifically accepted to exist until like the early 1229 01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:50.800 nineteen hundreds, and so you know, they had been around 1230 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:55.319 for eons, but yet science didn't get off of its 1231 01:18:55.399 --> 01:18:58.800 soapbox until they had that evidence in their laboratory or 1232 01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:03.760 in the zoo, whatever it was required to be. And well, well, 1233 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:06.239 I guess there is a little black and white bear 1234 01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:10.439 that stands up rat and and there is been this 1235 01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:13.239 big old gorilla that's got a silver back that could 1236 01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:16.520 clean my clock in three seconds flat if it wanted 1237 01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:17.720 to well. 1238 01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:21.720 We have a here in northern Indiana, we have a 1239 01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:28.359 we have a dinosaur museum, which I did not expect 1240 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:31.720 it to be much, you know, we we went there 1241 01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:34.000 on a kind of on a whim and and it 1242 01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:36.920 was it was a lot better than what I expected. 1243 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:39.119 I mean, it wasn't like we went to Chicago and 1244 01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:41.439 you know, the Field Museum or anything like that, but 1245 01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:45.479 it was. It was. It was interesting, and they had 1246 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.079 a lot of really good exhibits in there. But the 1247 01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:55.439 one that really got me was there was a an animation, 1248 01:19:56.359 --> 01:20:02.960 a very good computer animation of h a silverback gorilla 1249 01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:10.439 and the evolutionary transformation that would have taken place between 1250 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:17.399 that gorilla and what we consider be modern man. And 1251 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:21.479 you know, it kind of starts by stripping away the 1252 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:26.159 fur and then you know, kind of peeling away the 1253 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:30.159 muscle structure, and you get to the bone, and as 1254 01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:34.000 it gets to the skeletal system, then it starts transforming 1255 01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:38.439 into the various different versions of us leading up to 1256 01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:42.239 what would be present day man. And I pulled my 1257 01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:45.039 cell phone out and then after watching it three or 1258 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:46.960 four times, I pulled my cell phone out and I 1259 01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:50.199 actually took a video of it, because. 1260 01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:51.159 You know. 1261 01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:58.439 It in a sense, it makes it, you know, I 1262 01:20:58.720 --> 01:21:02.880 had the opportunity to stand next to Shaquille O'Neal in 1263 01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:13.000 person seven foot two. I'm five nine on a good day. Yeah, 1264 01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:20.279 that is a significant difference in not only height, but 1265 01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:24.479 in the prime. When he was in his prime, he 1266 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:33.720 was a very muscular, very robust individual. Yeah, and just 1267 01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:37.520 the difference in size and at five nine, I've always 1268 01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:41.479 been a stocky guy. I was always in my mid 1269 01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:43.960 two hundred and twenty two hundred and twenty five pound 1270 01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.039 even when I was in the best shape of my life, 1271 01:21:46.039 --> 01:21:48.800 and I used to fight as a bouncer in a bar. 1272 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:54.399 I was you know, I was a small dude. And 1273 01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:58.239 when you stand next to somebody that is that big, 1274 01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:05.199 and then you relate that to so many, so many 1275 01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:10.960 people who have had eyewitness experiences with these things calling 1276 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.720 in in the neighborhood of seven to eight foot tall 1277 01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:19.039 and then the outliers that call in at you know, 1278 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:22.640 nine foot plus. I don't know if you're familiar with 1279 01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:28.479 Robert Krider out of New Mexico, a researcher claims the 1280 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:36.279 individual that he has in his area of research cress 1281 01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:45.920 well over ten foot and the exponential size increase from 1282 01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:50.239 somebody that's five nine to six nine and six nine 1283 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:53.720 to seven nine. You know you're not talking, You're not 1284 01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:56.760 just talking an extra twenty or thirty pounds because they 1285 01:22:56.760 --> 01:23:03.880 have a foot more height. The weight exponentially increases because 1286 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:09.760 of the size and the frame and man to be 1287 01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:12.479 able to stand there and witness something that would be 1288 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:20.439 manlike at eight foot tall, you know, the description of 1289 01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:24.800 something at six to seven to eight hundred pounds. It 1290 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:27.960 really puts it into perspective that it's not that far 1291 01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:31.159 out of reach, because I mean, any one of us 1292 01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:34.359 can go into Walmart and see somebody at three hundred 1293 01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:38.119 and fifty to four hundred pounds. They don't have that 1294 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:41.640 they don't have that weight, but you know those they 1295 01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:45.000 don't have that height, but that weight is you know, 1296 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:49.760

especially in America today, it's not that far out of 1297 01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:51.239 the realm of possibility. 1298 01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.119 And don't forget you could always look up and I 1299 01:23:56.159 --> 01:23:58.760 had his name in my mind thirty seconds gall what 1300 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:02.680 it was the world's tallest man. I think his fir 1301 01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:03.199 his name. 1302 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:06.279 Was Waldo, Yeah, world records. 1303 01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:10.960 Yeah, yeah, seven foot eleven and three quarter inches tall. Yeah, 1304 01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:14.279 and he wasn't fat no, and you take a look 1305 01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:17.920 at the you take him, look at him besides a 1306 01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:22.760 quote unquote average sized person, and you're like, you know, 1307 01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:25.720 you hear a lot of reports for this thing is 1308 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:28.239 eight foot tall, and it's three feet across the shoulder 1309 01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:32.000 or across the shoulders, across the chest, and it's pure 1310 01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:36.159 estimated several hundred pounds, seven eight hundred pounds, nine hundred pounds. 1311 01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:38.560 You know, the first question I would have is where 1312 01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.039 is it going to stay hidden? 1313 01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:40.840 Right? 1314 01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:45.199 And what in the world does this thing eat? And 1315 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:46.960 I know what the answer would be, but what what 1316 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:50.640 is this thing to eat to sustain all that mass? 1317 01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:53.039 And I guess the answer would be whatever it wants. 1318 01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:59.520 But you know, as this is, there's there's a lot 1319 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:04.720 more m questions and what there are answers. I'm afraid, 1320 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:07.000 and I don't know how long it'll be until we 1321 01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:11.439 get the answer that we need or want. You know, 1322 01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:14.439 I really don't, you know. 1323 01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:16.920 I know we're coming up in about a half hour 1324 01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:19.640 and a half here, and I still have a couple 1325 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:21.560 of things i'd like to ask if you, if you 1326 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:27.880 have the time. The Sasquatch Triangle. You're noted for having 1327 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:36.199 spent an inordinate amount of hours traversing the Sasquatch Triangle 1328 01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:40.640 researching that area. For for the listeners who wouldn't know, 1329 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:43.960 can you can you kind of lay out where the 1330 01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:44.760 triangle is. 1331 01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:49.760 Yeah, on a map and you take a look at 1332 01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:52.720 a map in eastern Ohio and you connect the dots 1333 01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:59.079 from Conesville to Newcomers Town to Salt Fork State Park, 1334 01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:04.880 and that geographical area is the Sasquash Triangle. We came 1335 01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:09.000 up with that turn back in nineteen eighty and wanted 1336 01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:11.239 to say nineteen eighty seven. It was in the spring 1337 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:13.720 of eighty seven when I held a one week quote 1338 01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:17.199 unquote expedition. We weren't out there day and night because 1339 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:20.319 we had jobs, but it was a commitment to go 1340 01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:24.039 out into the woods every day and evening and early 1341 01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:26.439 night to see if we could find her, hear anything, 1342 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:34.359 or whatever. And the Sasquatsh Triangle area is contained in 1343 01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:40.800 parts of Coachhockton, Guernsey, and Tuscaross Counties. In Coshocton County, 1344 01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:43.840 you have two wildlife areas. One is known as the 1345 01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:48.680 Woodbury Wildlife Area that's in central and northern northwestern Coshocton 1346 01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:51.359 County and the other is known as the Columbus and 1347 01:26:51.399 --> 01:26:55.079 Southern Coolands, which is in far southern coachh Ackton into 1348 01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:59.720 northern Muskingham County. It hoges the Willis Creek area, will 1349 01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:06.960 Basin and that's the Sasquash Triangle. That's we we just did. 1350 01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:09.800 We found out, you know, in nineteen eighty seven that 1351 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.720 phrase hasn't been hadn't had not been coined yet. And 1352 01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:15.199 we were talking to the reporters because the local paper 1353 01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:17.439 sent a reporter and a photographer with us every day 1354 01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:20.640 of that expedition, and they said, well, that's like a 1355 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:23.000 triangular area. And I said, oh, let me look and 1356 01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:24.760 see what you're talking about. And I said, yeah, that's 1357 01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:28.720 that's like a triangular area. And so the first time 1358 01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:31.840 that that phrase was coined was in the local newspaper 1359 01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:37.000 and the headline read Stalking the Sasquatsh Triangle. And from 1360 01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:40.399 there it just took off like wildfire. And that's where 1361 01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:46.720 the Sasquash Triangle is. There were numerous track discoveries and 1362 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:50.000 signings that had taken place in that geographical area, and 1363 01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:52.760 to my knowledge is still could be active today, but 1364 01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:55.159 there aren't that many people that are doing anything active 1365 01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:57.960 out there as far as investigations are concerned. 1366

01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:02.760 So with with all the investigation that you guys did 1367 01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:09.560 in that area during that time, and and considering that 1368 01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:16.920 back at in that time, your your your goal was 1369 01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:25.560 the collection of of uh information related to people's experiences sightings, 1370 01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:31.760 you know, kind of data mining if you will. What 1371 01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:38.079 kind of behavioral patterns or seasonal rhythms did you find 1372 01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:41.520 that kind of have stood the test of time, actually 1373 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:43.800 held up over decades. 1374 01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:48.239 As far as this excuse me, as far as this 1375 01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:51.920 animal is concerned as being active, I think it's just 1376 01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:55.880 one of those things where the warmer it gets, the 1377 01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:58.399 more active it is, you know, and the quarter it gets, 1378 01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:01.760 the less active it is. Do I think they take 1379 01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:04.920 Interstate seventy seven down the South Carolina and then hop 1380 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:08.079 on a whatever other interstate it is to go to 1381 01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:11.640 Florida for the winter. No, I think they semi hibernate. 1382 01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:19.880 They might find an area of heavy growth for pine 1383 01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:24.319 trees and stay under those areas. I discovered one thing, 1384 01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:26.600 and that's kind of surprising for some people to believe 1385 01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:29.520 of me, But I discovered something several years ago when 1386 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:32.319 I was walking in the forest of Coshocton County, and 1387 01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:35.680 it was freaking freezing cold outside. One show had to 1388 01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:37.600 be well with those zeros, it's sunny day. But I 1389 01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:40.279 was crazy enough to go out there anyway, half a 1390 01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:43.600 foot or more of snow on the ground. We're walking along, 1391 01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:46.319 and I said, let's go into those pines up there 1392 01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:50.000 and see if we can find anything like better down areas. 1393 01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.119 All right, so you know how pine tree grows, you 1394 01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:56.880 know how the branches are, how they're configured. We get 1395 01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:00.560 under the pine tree, it's a sunny day. Notice is 1396 01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:04.680 like thirty degrees warmer under there. There's no wind, no 1397 01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:07.239 wind show. There's next to nothing in the way of 1398 01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:11.359 snow on the ground. Allah, If you're a wild animal 1399 01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:13.640 and you want to get out of the elements, wouldn't 1400 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:17.119 you find common sense to get into an area that's 1401 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:20.520 like this. Sure, maybe they hide in amongst the pines 1402 01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:24.640 or the heavy forest growth where the wind can't penetrate 1403 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:28.920 the inside of that growth, or the snow doesn't accumulate 1404 01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:30.439 heavily underneath. 1405 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:31.920 Their natural wind breaks. 1406 01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:36.000 Yeah, exactly, So that could be, you know, but I 1407 01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:39.960 think the most the most active times in this part 1408 01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:44.439 of the state are anywhere between March and November, and 1409 01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:47.359 then the rest and you have to have a couple 1410 01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:49.800 of different things for deciding to take place. You have 1411 01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:51.800 to have a big foot creature. You have to have 1412 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:54.640 an eyewitness spot the big foot creature, and then you 1413 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:58.600 have to have the eye witness contact a researcher. And 1414 01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:02.039 then that research sure has to be open enough to 1415 01:31:02.119 --> 01:31:05.800 disseminate that information and amongst other researchers so that the 1416 01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:08.760 general public and other researchers know that, hey, guess what 1417 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:13.239 a siding just took place. We have to have all 1418 01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:15.920 that information come together so we can get an idea 1419 01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:17.680 as to when they may or may not be active. 1420 01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:22.119 Is there one thing that you can pull from all 1421 01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:24.399 of the stories that you've heard, all of the people 1422 01:31:24.399 --> 01:31:27.800 that you've talked to have had experiences. Is there one 1423 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:34.439 thing that still bothers you because it shouldn't exist if 1424 01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:36.039 sasquatch is not real. 1425 01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:51.520 Yeah, I would probably have to side with Prance on 1426 01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:53.800 that one. The lack of a body or the lack 1427 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:59.680 of bones. I know in Ohio we have what they 1428 01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:03.439 call it your mouse der mice. They are calcium feeders 1429 01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:06.399 and they'll scarf up a dead deer and no time 1430 01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:09.279 at all. But the deer is not as big as 1431 01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:16.600 a big foot. And you know there's coyotes in every 1432 01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:21.279 county in Ohio, eighty eight counties. There's an increasing population 1433 01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:24.199 of black bear, there's an increasing population of mountain lion. 1434 01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:36.199 So I would say that the biggest thing that's still 1435 01:32:37.399 --> 01:32:39.319 It doesn't make me lose

sleep at night at night 1436 01:32:39.399 --> 01:32:43.199 unless I'm seriously thinking about why it hasn't been discovered. 1437 01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:45.920 But the one thing that really bothers me is the 1438 01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:52.079 fact that there's no hard evidence that you can poke. 1439 01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:58.079 There's no bones, there is no body, there's there's nothing 1440 01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:02.880 like that, you know. So the oceans cover seventy percent 1441 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:08.439 of the Earth, and a very minute fraction of the 1442 01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:12.479 oceans have ever been explored, and an even smaller number 1443 01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:17.119 of the aquatic life has ever been discovered. But we're 1444 01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:19.800 talking about the oceans that go up to thirty five 1445 01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:27.239 thousand feet deep. This is land. These are pine trees. 1446 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:35.199 People own a lot of property. However, there just may 1447 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:38.279 be a siding or two, or I should say a 1448 01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:43.119 story or two that is out there that hasn't really 1449 01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:48.039 been widely circulated yet about you know, you've heard of 1450 01:33:48.319 --> 01:33:55.279 Hangar eighteen. Yes, maybe there's a hanger nineteen. Maybe the 1451 01:33:55.319 --> 01:34:00.159 government has a body of a sasquatch or more than one, 1452 01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:04.439 And did you ever stop to think to wonder. I 1453 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:08.880 mean all the conferences that I've held, all of the 1454 01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:14.439 regular Bigfoot meetings that I've held, and all the people 1455 01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:18.800 that subscribe to my newsletter over the years. I'm not 1456 01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:23.880 saying this egotistically, but if I were crazy enough to 1457 01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:28.279 sit here at my desk and tell you, no, I 1458 01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:31.319 don't think anybody from the government ever attended one of 1459 01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:35.680 my meetings or conferences, I think I'd be wrong. 1460 01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:40.680 I think you'd be correct in being wrong. Yeah, I 1461 01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:50.319 think that that would be a story for another day. 1462 01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:52.800 Yeah. Well, you know, I'm in the I'm in the 1463 01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:57.000 process of writing another booklet of which I hope to 1464 01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:01.840 have available at the conference. Okay, And in the booklet, 1465 01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:06.560 I don't mention no late locations, I don't mention any 1466 01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:10.159 geographical names and nothing like that. But there's going to 1467 01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:12.520 be a story or two that I think people will 1468 01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:17.279 find very hard to believe. You know, we were talking 1469 01:35:17.279 --> 01:35:23.199 earlier about these really bizarre stories of you know, UFO 1470 01:35:23.319 --> 01:35:26.640 connections possibly or whatever, like the experimental for us and 1471 01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:29.680 the A frame and places of that and all that 1472 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:35.319 kind of stuff. If you heard the twelve one hour 1473 01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:41.039 audio cassette tapes from Rome, Ohio when that event series 1474 01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:43.359 of events took place in the summer of nineteen eighty 1475 01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:48.279 one that I heard, I have to, sometimes, honest to God, 1476 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:51.039 stand in the bathroom or in the hallway, look in 1477 01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:54.600 the mirror and say, if that stuff was true, why 1478 01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:58.039 are you still interested in it? Because if that's the case, 1479 01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:02.840 there is no answer to this mystery. There was stuff 1480 01:36:02.880 --> 01:36:07.560 happened up there, I kid you not that was recorded 1481 01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:12.159 on audio cassette tape as it happened, and interviews with 1482 01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:16.680 the family of things that happened, and if they were 1483 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:18.800 telling to honest of God's truth and all that stuff 1484 01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:26.199 that happened was legitimate, I'll talk to you later because 1485 01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:29.039 there's there's no way of explaining that. There's no answer. 1486 01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:33.800 There's stuff that happened in rural Ohio that you cannot 1487 01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:41.399 explain logically if it was true. You know, there's I mean, 1488 01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:44.439 there's just so much stuff. It's like opening a can 1489 01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:48.199 of worms. There's so much crazy stuff out there. Let 1490 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:50.399 me just think that bigger foots of physical flesh and 1491 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:52.399 blood creature and go to bed at night with no. 1492 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:58.319 Well we'll, we'll, we'll go back to uh. I mentioned 1493 01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:00.199 to you that, you know, I had done some or 1494 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:07.920 normal investigations. And the thing that the thing that kind 1495 01:37:07.920 --> 01:37:11.800 of always strikes me when we start talking about Bigfoot 1496 01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:19.800 and the the parallels or the possible connection between. Again, 1497 01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:22.159 I'm not saying that Bigfoot jumps in a portal so 1498 01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:24.600 it can get to get on a UFO and then 1499 01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:26.359 take off and go to its own planet. That's not 1500 01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:30.600 what I'm saying. But having spent time in haunted locations, 1501 01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:36.159 having spent time trying to investigate and trying to communicate 1502 01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:41.760 with things that apparently are willing to interact with you

1503 01:37:42.560 --> 01:37:48.079 from the ether. You know, so many people talk about 1504 01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:51.880 the sound of a wood knock in the woods related 1505 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:55.760 to Bigfoot. Has anybody ever seen a bigfoot grab a 1506 01:37:55.800 --> 01:38:00.199 big log and smack it and smack it against a tree? 1507 01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:03.640 I don't believe a good question. I don't. 1508 01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:07.359 I guarantee you, at least as far as I'm thinking 1509 01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:12.479 right now, the grand total number is zero, right because 1510 01:38:12.479 --> 01:38:16.359 if you did, you're going to do something anatomically in 1511 01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:19.000 your pants. You're not not admitting anybody to begin with. 1512 01:38:19.159 --> 01:38:20.760 And then second of all, you're not going to talk 1513 01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:23.199 to very many people about it, because who's going to 1514 01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:26.319 believe you without the evidence? But you know who start 1515 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:28.560 You know who started the whole idea about wood on 1516 01:38:28.600 --> 01:38:29.880 wood in the forest? 1517 01:38:30.039 --> 01:38:30.279 Who? 1518 01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:31.159 Me? 1519 01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:32.520 Did you really? 1520 01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:36.439 Back in December and thirtieth, nineteen eighty nine, me and 1521 01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:40.880 two other guys were in Cushocton County and we were 1522 01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:43.239 getting ready to walk out of the forest. There was 1523 01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:45.079 about six inches of snow on the ground. It was 1524 01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:48.359 a warm evening. There was a lot of fog, and uh, 1525 01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:50.600 we had found a blood trail where we think of 1526 01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:52.720 somebody had shot a deer or a deer had become 1527 01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:55.439 wounded or whatever. It was in amongst deer tracks, and 1528 01:38:55.439 --> 01:38:57.319 it went way back into the woods, and we followed 1529 01:38:57.359 --> 01:38:59.359 it for a while and then we realized it's getting 1530 01:38:59.399 --> 01:39:00.840 kind of dark. We got to get out of here. 1531 01:39:01.279 --> 01:39:03.680 We weren't trespassing, we just didn't have any lights or 1532 01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:06.520 any protection. So we start walking out. We get to 1533 01:39:06.560 --> 01:39:08.920 a point where about two hundred yards away from the 1534 01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:11.920 vehicles and off to our left hand side there is 1535 01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:14.399 a little valley and then it goes up a hill 1536 01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:16.760 crest at the hill and then on the backside of 1537 01:39:16.760 --> 01:39:18.560 the hill, there's an open area where there's a couple 1538 01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:22.560 of three old mining lakes, and all of a sudden, 1539 01:39:22.840 --> 01:39:26.560 out of nowhere, we hear what sounds like

somebody taking 1540 01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:29.520 a baseball bat and banging it up against a tree. 1541 01:39:31.720 --> 01:39:36.840 And here's the question, who did it? We don't know. 1542 01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:41.079 Was it intelligent? We got a pretty good idea it 1543 01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:45.359 was very intelligent. Why do we think it was intelligent? Well, 1544 01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:47.800 let me put it this to you this way. There 1545 01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:50.039 were three of us that were walking that trail, walking 1546 01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:52.920 back to our car. We heard this one on wood 1547 01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:56.960 two or three separate times. Each of those separate times. 1548 01:39:57.239 --> 01:39:59.119 Would you care to guess how many times it hit 1549 01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:00.119 up against that tree? 1550 01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:02.199 I can tell you exactly. I know what it is. 1551 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:04.199 It's three exactly. 1552 01:40:04.439 --> 01:40:06.720 And and I'm going to tell you why I know that. 1553 01:40:08.359 --> 01:40:08.880 You did it. 1554 01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:14.279 Well, this, this is this is not something I expected 1555 01:40:14.279 --> 01:40:17.119 to go into with you. But we're we're here, and 1556 01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:21.680 let's do it. So my to finish my thought was 1557 01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:26.920 with hearing the wood knock. Many times in the course 1558 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:32.039 of a paranormal investigation, in say, like a haunted location, 1559 01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:41.479 a haunted house, we will hear an audible knock. Sometimes 1560 01:40:41.479 --> 01:40:44.119 we'll hear a knock on a piece of wood, a 1561 01:40:44.239 --> 01:40:51.159 desk on the wall. Odd, then we'll then we'll have 1562 01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:55.760 we'll have light anomalies. Now, there's there's a difference between 1563 01:40:55.800 --> 01:41:01.439 taking a photograph with a flash in a haunted house 1564 01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:05.319 and it's dusty and it's old, and there's stuff floating 1565 01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:09.800 around in the air, and then your flash illuminates that dust, 1566 01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:12.680 and then people think they have an orb. There's a 1567 01:41:12.720 --> 01:41:15.680 difference between that and an orb like I described I 1568 01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:19.199 saw with my daughter, which came out of nowhere for 1569 01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:22.479 no good reason, was there and then was gone. So 1570 01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:31.920 these things seem to be components of paranormal investigations. They 1571 01:41:32.119 --> 01:41:35.560 very much translate into experiences that people have out in 1572 01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:43.600 the woods when apparently around the phenomenon of Bigfoot as well. 1573 01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:46.840 So it makes me start thinking, is that sound of 1574 01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:51.000 wood on wood in the woods? Is that actually what 1575

01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:58.119 you're hearing? Or are you hearing a component of them 1576 01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:03.399 coming into our ability to perceive them. They're either you 1577 01:42:03.439 --> 01:42:10.399 know it. It can be a trap. It can be 1578 01:42:10.760 --> 01:42:12.920 if for your mind, if you start going down that 1579 01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:15.520 rabbit hole, it can be It can lead to a 1580 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:18.319 lot of things. And you know, I don't profess to 1581 01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:22.520 know anything I've I've done these things. I've had experiences 1582 01:42:22.640 --> 01:42:26.159 in a bunch of different areas, and I don't know 1583 01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:30.279 what the hell they are, but there are things that 1584 01:42:30.399 --> 01:42:34.119 seem to be similar and seem to translate very well 1585 01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:41.279 to other types of experiences with even extraterrestrial stuff. So 1586 01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:46.960 you know, I kind of lost my train of thought 1587 01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:52.039 of where I was going with this, but you know, 1588 01:42:52.239 --> 01:42:55.720 it makes me wonder, what is that noise? Now? The 1589 01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:57.760 reason I can go back and I can relate to 1590 01:42:57.800 --> 01:43:04.920 your experience with hearing three Knox Manistee National Forest the 1591 01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:13.119 summer that COVID was reared its ugly head. What's what's 1592 01:43:13.199 --> 01:43:16.960 the first holiday in the summer? Labor Day? No Memorial 1593 01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:21.119 Memorial Memorial Day. I went on. There are three of us. 1594 01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:25.239 We went on a three man, three day kayak trip 1595 01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:32.680 through the middle of the Manistee National Forest. And the 1596 01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:37.880 first night that we were there, uh, good buddy of 1597 01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:39.960 mine and then a guy that I did not know. 1598 01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:45.119 That other guy was somebody that my buddy knew and trusted. 1599 01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:49.319 So you know, we had we had paddled our kayaks 1600 01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:51.760 for the better part of the day. We found a 1601 01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:55.640 nice place to pull off, pull off the river and 1602 01:43:55.720 --> 01:43:58.479 we sat there. We heated up our our dinners in 1603 01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:01.600 a bag and we sat in and of a fire. 1604 01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:05.680 It was dark, it was late. It was probably in 1605 01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:09.560 the neighborhood of eleven thirty. We were all all three 1606 01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:13.640 of us, were sitting around the fire. During this time 1607 01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:16.640 that we were sitting around the fire, we had three owls, 1608 01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:20.119 which I actually recorded on my cell phone. I still 1609 01:44:20.199 --> 01:44:25.800 have the audio of it. It sounded odd. It sounded 1610

01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:30.199 like somebody trying to sound like an owl. It was 1611 01:44:30.279 --> 01:44:35.960 kind of more of a er, you know. And it 1612 01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:41.159 repeated in a series of three. The loudest one came 1613 01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:45.680 across the river from us. Then that was followed by 1614 01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:49.760 one that seemed a bit more distant behind us, sounded 1615 01:44:49.800 --> 01:44:51.720 like it was on the same side of the river 1616 01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:56.159 as us. And then another one would happen up ahead 1617 01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:59.880 of us, and it continued to go in that same pattern. 1618 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.319 It was always the one across from us, than the 1619 01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:05.199 one behind us, than the one ahead of us. And 1620 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:09.640 it did that multiple times, to the point where I 1621 01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:13.600 actually pulled out my phone and I recorded it. The 1622 01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:18.760 guy that I did not know well had a penchant 1623 01:45:18.800 --> 01:45:21.560 for drink, drinking beer, and he had brought plenty of 1624 01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:25.199 beer for him to drink. He drank a bunch of 1625 01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:27.680 beer while we were sitting around the fire. He got up, 1626 01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:31.000 went and got another one, took a leak, came back, 1627 01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:35.079 sat down, and apparently it hit him that he had 1628 01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:38.560 he had exceeded his limit and it was time for 1629 01:45:38.640 --> 01:45:40.399 him to go to bed. So he got up and 1630 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:43.800 he excused himself and he went and he got into 1631 01:45:43.880 --> 01:45:49.600 his hammock to pass out. So at that point there 1632 01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:54.000 was two of us. From the point that there were 1633 01:45:54.039 --> 01:45:58.800 two of us in the silhouette of the fire, we 1634 01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:06.600 never heard another triple owl. Once there were two of us, 1635 01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:13.960 we heard two wood knocks. My buddy, who is pretty 1636 01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:16.880 much on the fence about this kind of stuff, he 1637 01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:19.680 looked over at me and he's like, did you hear that? 1638 01:46:20.479 --> 01:46:25.319 And I said I did, and he said was that 1639 01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:29.720 a And I kind of smiled at him, and he's like, 1640 01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:33.840 was that a fen wood knock? And I said nope, 1641 01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:37.520 that was two of them, and he's like, yeah, you're right. 1642 01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:43.039 And you know, maybe a minute later, maybe it might 1643 01:46:43.039 --> 01:46:45.680 have been a couple of minutes later, you hear two 1644 01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:52.520 more wood knocks, whack, whack, and then a couple of 1645 01:46:52.520 --> 01:46:55.840 minutes later you heard a couple more. Yeah, but it

1646 01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:56.720 was only two. 1647 01:46:58.439 --> 01:47:00.000 As compared to three earlier. 1648 01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:05.840 As compared to three owls repeating you know. So it 1649 01:47:05.920 --> 01:47:09.119 wasn't until we ended that trip and the rest of 1650 01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:13.319 that night once I got into my hammock, and it 1651 01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:15.520 was it was a night from hell. I had ordered 1652 01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:18.199 all my stuff off Amazon. The hammock was supposed to 1653 01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:21.000 but I didn't cover, but put socks on my hands. 1654 01:47:21.279 --> 01:47:23.600 And as I'm sleeping, you can hear the river flowing, 1655 01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:30.479 and I know that get insects that have just like 1656 01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:36.199 people who fly fish sizable sounded like it splashing and 1657 01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:40.560 splash mine playing with me was I was actually able to. 1658 01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:44.279 I literally had manu from their asses off because it 1659 01:47:44.399 --> 01:47:47.800 was just gonna be the names of the food that 1660 01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:49.920 I had turned into my stomach. And I realized I 1661 01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:52.800 didn't want to leave the area. Had heard there were 1662 01:47:52.840 --> 01:47:56.840 off and go dig a hole. It was or cause 1663 01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:02.359 night and from the fire, I was like from threes 1664 01:48:03.119 --> 01:48:06.000 and series of twos, that is that their way of 1665 01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:09.439 there's three mmm, I could be completed. 1666 01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:14.000 It just absolutely sticks out in my mind about whatever 1667 01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:17.800 I mean or doesn't know me? And the one part 1668 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:24.319 forefront of it that the Sasquat wild that's what I 1669 01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:26.800 remember today. That's that's not say. 1670 01:48:26.600 --> 01:48:31.760 That, that's that's one thing that native oral tradition on 1671 01:48:32.159 --> 01:48:36.439 orally that is a in the in the same. 1672 01:48:36.640 --> 01:48:40.279 Right yep, in this area where the Delaware teen hundreds 1673 01:48:40.720 --> 01:48:44.239 be called Gecko the mucket about the Nate Woods to 1674 01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:47.199 keep peace with the per or bear back for the 1675 01:48:47.239 --> 01:48:51.000 food years ago, is what they were saying. 1676 01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:56.520 At Uh, it's been a to me wind this up 1677 01:48:56.560 --> 01:48:58.880 with letting it in newcomer if. 1678 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:04.680 Daniel Bigfoot conference and some sorry John honored that iye 1679 01:49:04.680 --> 01:49:07.119 in area a great friend in his bio that I 1680 01:49:07.119 --> 01:49:11.239 put on Facebook recently, the man is just it's you 1681 01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:13.800 wouldn't believe what he's done in his lifetime. And I'm 1682 01:49:13.840 --> 01:49:16.439 sure there's much more to come. So John Horrigan from 1683 01:49:16.439 --> 01:49:18.960 the Boston area will be here. Then we have Seth 1684 01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:23.560 Breedlove from Northeast Ohio from from the Canton, Ohio area, 1685 01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:27.359 the creator of Town Monsters. He's going to be here 1686 01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:32.520 giving a presentation. And Uh. Then we've got one other person, 1687 01:49:32.560 --> 01:49:37.399 and that's Adam Davies, the explorer who has been on 1688 01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:43.479 numerous television shows in England and elsewhere to talk about 1689 01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:48.600 some of his most interesting experiences as well, free of charge, 1690 01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:53.119 no admission cost whatsoever, unless you want to give a donation, 1691 01:49:53.199 --> 01:49:56.039 which we will happily take to help cover the cost 1692 01:49:56.119 --> 01:50:03.520 of the room, accommodations, travel expenses, et cetera. Because no 1693 01:50:03.560 --> 01:50:05.840 matter what you think, these events are not free to 1694 01:50:05.880 --> 01:50:09.560 put on. They do cost somebody money. And that's what 1695 01:50:10.119 --> 01:50:13.239 you know, like with folks like that get vendors tables 1696 01:50:13.319 --> 01:50:19.039 or people that give donations or whatever. That's that all 1697 01:50:19.079 --> 01:50:23.960 goes towards different things that we're gonna gonna cover the 1698 01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:27.640 conference with. So it's gonna be it's got The doors 1699 01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:30.079 will open at ten am, the event will begin at 1700 01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:33.720 eleven am, and it'll run until approximately six. We're going 1701 01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:37.359 to have a number of vendors trucks outside food trucks, 1702 01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:40.520 so don't worry, there'll be plenty there to grab the 1703 01:50:40.680 --> 01:50:44.079 munch on and to drink iced tea, lemonade, whatever the 1704 01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:48.319 case may be. So you know, I'm hoping it's going 1705 01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:52.840 to be a fantastic event. I hoping everyone goes home 1706 01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:59.520 with a smile on their face and memories to survive 1707 01:50:59.600 --> 01:51:06.039 the rest their lifetimes, because you know, it's it's going 1708 01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:08.680 to be very interesting what goes on at the event, 1709 01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:11.359 and I will tell you that, and no one knows, 1710 01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:16.159 no one knows what this item is. But there will 1711 01:51:16.199 --> 01:51:20.720 be a special door prize for one person that will 1712 01:51:20.760 --> 01:51:25.199 be at the conference. And I won't tell what it is. 1713 01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:28.239 I won't tell how they're going to win it, nothing 1714 01:51:28.359 --> 01:51:31.159 like that. I'll just say that you will receive a 1715 01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:34.239 special door prize at the conference that will be years

1716 01:51:34.279 --> 01:51:38.479 to take home and hopefully cherished for days on end. 1717 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:40.960 And then no, it's not a photo of me. 1718 01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:48.880 In tandem to that announcement, I would like to announce 1719 01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:53.680 to our listeners of Uncomfortable that I will be at 1720 01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:58.399 this conference as well as a vendor, and the intention 1721 01:51:58.720 --> 01:52:04.960 is that I will be available to record live interviews 1722 01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:09.399 for the entire day. So if you are interested in 1723 01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:16.199 coming out and supporting this fine conference, excuse me, please 1724 01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:18.800 make sure you find your way over to the Uncomfortable 1725 01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:22.199 Podcast table, and if you have an experience or you 1726 01:52:22.199 --> 01:52:25.399 have a story that you would like to relate, I'll 1727 01:52:25.399 --> 01:52:32.920 be there to record your encounter or your story for 1728 01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:33.760 the entire day. 1729 01:52:34.319 --> 01:52:38.359 So yep, we're looking forward to it, looking forward to 1730 01:52:38.399 --> 01:52:41.039 having all the vendors there, all these folks that are 1731 01:52:41.039 --> 01:52:45.800 coming out as vendors, they have a wide range of items. 1732 01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:51.079 That are available for purchase. You know, make sure you 1733 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:54.319 visit every just whatever you do, please make sure you 1734 01:52:54.439 --> 01:52:59.800 visit every vendor's table and bring plenty of resources with 1735 01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:02.760 you to buy all kinds of souvenirs, because, like I said, 1736 01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:05.760 this will be number twenty five and I don't really 1737 01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:08.680 have any intention of having another one. The last one 1738 01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:12.119 I had was ten years ago and we're having this one. 1739 01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:15.520 And I think the biggest reason that I have that 1740 01:53:15.560 --> 01:53:18.960 I decided to hold it was every conference that I 1741 01:53:19.000 --> 01:53:23.319 hear of that comes forward out there has a price 1742 01:53:23.399 --> 01:53:26.760 tag to it, and I want to do something for 1743 01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:30.039 the general public where they can attend and not have 1744 01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:32.600 to worry about paying to get into the door. Right, 1745 01:53:32.840 --> 01:53:37.479 So come on out and enjoy yourself. And if you 1746 01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:43.439 wear an alien outfit, there is a mental hospital just 1747 01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:47.920 twenty miles down the road, and I have connections, not 1748 01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:50.359 because I was there before, but because I know people. 1749 01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:52.600 So keep that in mind. 1750 01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:58.680 Back to the idea on the vendors, as far as 1751

01:53:58.680 --> 01:54:02.520 everybody's showing up and by not charging for the event, 1752 01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:06.000 and and that you do free up the ability for 1753 01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:10.159 people who are coming and attending to spend that money 1754 01:54:10.239 --> 01:54:10.960 with the vendors. 1755 01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:13.880 Yeah, absolutely so. 1756 01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:21.560 I personally will be bringing a new uncomfortable podcast T 1757 01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:24.159 shirt that has never seen the light of day. It's 1758 01:54:24.159 --> 01:54:27.319 got a completely new design, so make sure you keep 1759 01:54:27.319 --> 01:54:28.279 your eye out for that. 1760 01:54:29.680 --> 01:54:32.800 Great sounds good, sounds very good. 1761 01:54:33.239 --> 01:54:35.720 Don Keating, thank you so much for joining me today. 1762 01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:44.760 Your work has in no small way shaped the way 1763 01:54:46.039 --> 01:54:53.399 Bigfoot research there in Ohio has done gone. It's it's 1764 01:54:53.399 --> 01:54:55.720 been an honor to to get to dig into the 1765 01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:59.319 history and and get a little bit of the insights 1766 01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:01.560 behind that whole thing with you. 1767 01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:06.680 I'm in my early sixties. I don't openly admit that 1768 01:55:06.680 --> 01:55:08.800 too much, although I don't feel like I'm nearly that 1769 01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:12.960 old because, believe it or not, physically speaking, eye bill 1770 01:55:13.359 --> 01:55:17.479 four nights a week, and I'm left handed, so that 1771 01:55:17.479 --> 01:55:18.079 helps a little bit. 1772 01:55:18.279 --> 01:55:21.159 Oh nice, I'm left handed as well, All. 1773 01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:26.359 Right, cool, left on. Anybody that doesn't understand left handed 1774 01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:31.359 will not understand that comment. But you know what, what's 1775 01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:33.600 going to happen with all this material once I'm gone? 1776 01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:37.479 You know that's all that material I told you that's 1777 01:55:37.479 --> 01:55:41.000 in my basement. I haven't decided what's going to happen 1778 01:55:41.039 --> 01:55:44.239 with that yet, So as a as a closing comment, 1779 01:55:44.520 --> 01:55:47.520 thanking you very much, Eric for having me on your podcast. 1780 01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:50.199 I greatly appreciate it. I hope we have a lot 1781 01:55:50.199 --> 01:55:52.520 of people there. I think this seating capacity is around 1782 01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:55.479 three hundred and fifty give or take. So get there early, 1783 01:55:56.199 --> 01:55:59.199 bring plenty of cash to buy all kinds of souvenirs. 1784 01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:03.960 But what's gonna happen with all that stuff? I don't 1785 01:56:03.960 --> 01:56:06.640 know yet. The answer to the mystery could be in 1786 01:56:06.640 --> 01:56:09.600 my basement. Think about that one. 1787 01:56:11.359 --> 01:56:16.239 And while you're thinking about that, think about this. Newcomers Town, Ohio, 1788 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:22.920 September twenty seventh, the annual Bigfoot Conference, Don keating. You 1789 01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:28.039 don't want to miss it. They got John Hickenbottom from 1790 01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:32.640 Salt Fork. You've got Seth Breedloves from Small Town Monsters, 1791 01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:40.039 researcher John Horgan, and adventurer Adam Davies. It's gonna be 1792 01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:45.319 a great day. It's a great day for Bigfoot. Don 1793 01:56:46.880 --> 01:56:49.000 thank you so much for being here. I appreciate you, 1794 01:56:50.359 --> 01:56:54.079 and I'm gonna turn around and get this out probably 1795 01:56:54.119 --> 01:56:58.760 by the first part of next week, so maybe by 1796 01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:02.159 Tuesday of this week, so we can get get it 1797 01:57:02.199 --> 01:57:04.520 in the ears of people and let them know what's 1798 01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:07.239 happening and try to get people out there for it, 1799 01:57:07.840 --> 01:57:08.199 all right. 1800 01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:09.159 Sounds like a winner. 1801 01:57:09.279 --> 01:57:11.600 Appreciate it, all right, sir. Thank you. 1802 01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:14.000 Hey, I'm looking forward to meet you. We've got a 1803 01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:15.039 lot of stuff talk about. 1804 01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:18.680 Yes, we do as as well. I am. I'm excited 1805 01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:20.720 to get a chance to talk with you, sir. 1806 01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:22.039 Sounds good. 1807 01:57:22.399 --> 01:57:25.199 Have a good evening you too, Thank you, good night 1808 01:57:25.680 --> 01:57:36.720 mm hm bye 1809 01:57:42.039 --> 01:57:43.439 H