บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Remote Viewing, Research and the Gap Between Interest and Evidence | Tyler Westan

there. You said you found my 69 00:04:50.689 --> 00:04:52.569 work and who I am, my podcast, all of this 70 00:04:52.589 --> 00:04:57.730 stuff through someone sharing one of my music videos on Facebook. 71 00:04:58.269 --> 00:04:59.990 You found it, looked it up, and then sent me 72 00:05:00.029 --> 00:05:03.029 a message. Here we are. You do something similar. You 73 00:05:03.050 --> 00:05:07.310 do esoteric spiritual hip-hop, I guess. I don't know how 74 00:05:07.370 --> 00:05:09.649 you would frame it. It's some, it's kind of a 75 00:05:09.730 --> 00:05:12.250 new genre in itself. So there's really no frame of 76 00:05:12.329 --> 00:05:14.810 reference for it. So, uh, talk a little bit about 77 00:05:14.850 --> 00:05:16.920 what you do, man, and what you bring to the table, brother. 78 00:05:16.939 --> 00:05:17.750 And thanks for coming on. 79 00:05:18.579 --> 00:05:21.000 Yeah, no, I definitely appreciate you having me on. 80 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:24.240 And I came across, uh, your work, uh, through, it 81 00:05:24.259 --> 00:05:27.519 was a video that was, uh, shared and just came 82 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.899 across my timeline. So I was instantly, uh, interested, uh, 83 00:05:31.610 --> 00:05:36.129 because you were, uh, talking about astral projection and working 84 00:05:36.170 --> 00:05:40.089 it into your music and spirituality and really seriously talking 85 00:05:40.129 --> 00:05:42.839 about it. And I think that's a direction where I, 86 00:05:43.810 --> 00:05:45.850 I feel like it needs to go. Hip hop needs 87 00:05:45.910 --> 00:05:48.949 to go into to kind of break into that field. 88 00:05:49.589 --> 00:05:53.449 But for me, my background has started with music and 89 00:05:53.490 --> 00:05:56.170 spirituality really in Atlanta. I went to the art Institute 90 00:05:56.189 --> 00:05:59.819 of Atlanta for a couple of years and, studied music there. 91 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:02.220 And one of the projects there was to come up 92 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:06.579 with a video, a movie on our own. And so 93 00:06:06.620 --> 00:06:09.350 I just kind of came up with the idea spontaneously 94 00:06:09.610 --> 00:06:13.709 of a dream. So if we filmed it, like somebody 95 00:06:13.730 --> 00:06:16.350 had a dream and in the dream, they were living 96 00:06:16.389 --> 00:06:18.629 in an apartment and they went across the hall and 97 00:06:18.689 --> 00:06:22.279 looked in their neighbor's house. And we looked around their 98 00:06:22.300 --> 00:06:24.920 neighbor's house and just was, we're looking everything in the 99 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:27.899 dream and noticed something that was really particular, like a 100 00:06:27.939 --> 00:06:30.699 painting that was really stood out. And they woke up 101 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.579 the next morning and actually went to that person's apartment 102 00:06:34.620 --> 00:06:36.850 across the hall, look, you know, knock on the door, 103 00:06:36.870 --> 00:06:38.970 see if they can come in and actually saw that painting. 104 00:06:39.550 --> 00:06:41.990 And so I kind of threw that idea out there 105 00:06:42.029 --> 00:06:43.709 to the class as one of the ideas, because we 106 00:06:43.730 --> 00:06:46.970 were looking for a group project to collaborate on and 107 00:06:47.009 --> 00:06:48.100 nobody really got it. 108 00:06:48.129 --> 00:06:50.189 They didn't know we really understood what was, what it 109 00:06:50.230 --> 00:06:50.670 was about. 110 00:06:51.269 --> 00:06:55.689 So, afterwards, a teacher kind of pulled me aside and said, hey, 111 00:06:55.709 --> 00:06:57.490 I liked your idea. Have you ever heard of astral 112 00:06:57.509 --> 00:07:00.879 projection or lucid dreaming? And I said, no, but that 113 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:05.699 sounds really cool. So, I was instantly interested. I was like, wow, 114 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:09.459 that sounds cool. So, I went home and researched it 115 00:07:09.500 --> 00:07:13.220 and really almost became obsessed with it for the next 116 00:07:13.259 --> 00:07:18.079 couple of months. And tried to practice it and, you know, 117 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:20.980 got to a couple of stages, but it was interesting 118 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.660 in reading about it and then going through the experiences 119 00:07:23.860 --> 00:07:24.379 of itself. 120 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:26.720 So I kind of started my journey on on the 121 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:27.560 spiritual journey. 122 00:07:28.180 --> 00:07:30.100 And then I was also doing music at the time 123 00:07:30.139 --> 00:07:34.949 and nobody really was going in that direction of. um, creating, uh, 124 00:07:35.060 --> 00:07:38.720 music about the spiritual experience or, or, uh, going through that, 125 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.939 that level of like psychic phenomenon or really talking like 126 00:07:41.980 --> 00:07:44.089 a deep spiritual level, everything was kind of like a 127 00:07:44.170 --> 00:07:48.930 more materialistic type of, uh, type of rapping. So, um, 128 00:07:49.069 --> 00:07:50.730 you know, I, I just wanted to kind of bring 129 00:07:50.769 --> 00:07:55.339 a different, different, uh, aspect in a different field to it. Um, 130 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.220 And I hadn't really heard anything for years until I 131 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.560 came across something like the work that you've been doing. 132 00:08:04.180 --> 00:08:06.019 So that's kind of where my music background was. 133 00:08:06.100 --> 00:08:09.220 And I moved to North Carolina about five years ago 134 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:09.930 and really got into it. 135 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:12.149 So you would say that my music inspired you to 136 00:08:12.689 --> 00:08:15.170 create something like that? Like I was the first model 137 00:08:15.189 --> 00:08:17.110 you've seen? That inspired you? 138 00:08:17.170 --> 00:08:19.569 No, I probably created it. 139 00:08:20.009 --> 00:08:23.399 I only have known about your work for maybe a 140 00:08:23.459 -->

00:08:26.720 month or so. Really, since I reached out to you, 141 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.360 the first day that I reached out was the day 142 00:08:28.379 --> 00:08:30.660 that I a couple of months ago was the actual 143 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:32.480 day that I learned about your music. 144 00:08:32.250 --> 00:08:33.750 Because I was like, wow, this is cool. I got 145 00:08:33.769 --> 00:08:34.970 to I got to hit this guy up. 146 00:08:35.250 --> 00:08:40.649 So it was something organically that you were working on 147 00:08:40.690 --> 00:08:41.350 music as well. 148 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:42.220 Oh yeah. 149 00:08:42.259 --> 00:08:42.440 Yeah. 150 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:46.340 I've been working on my project, which it's, I tried 151 00:08:46.379 --> 00:08:48.399 to label it as, as just an album. It's like 152 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:54.440 a concept, um, a concept hip hop experimental album. So, um, 153 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:57.899 and I've been working on it for probably seven years, 154 00:08:58.019 --> 00:08:58.490 eight years. 155 00:08:58.970 --> 00:08:59.159 Yeah. 156 00:08:59.350 --> 00:08:59.659 Yeah. 157 00:09:00.210 --> 00:09:02.940 And it's, it's what, what it is is it's basically a, 158 00:09:03.389 --> 00:09:06.169 a story and I want it to be like, I want, 159 00:09:06.289 --> 00:09:08.210 I'm trying to make it so that the beginning of, 160 00:09:08.970 --> 00:09:11.929 correlates with every song so every song goes back to 161 00:09:11.950 --> 00:09:13.889 back and it makes sense for all the way to 162 00:09:13.909 --> 00:09:16.580 the end so it's sort of like a storyline but 163 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:18.679 it still keeps with the music so it tells a 164 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.879 story and that story is that I had a dream 165 00:09:23.139 --> 00:09:27.360 in which I come back through time in the dream 166 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.080 and tell myself, so I kind of come back at, 167 00:09:30.580 --> 00:09:32.840 I meet myself in the dream and I come back 168 00:09:32.899 --> 00:09:36.029 through time and tell myself that I have to create 169 00:09:36.070 --> 00:09:39.230 this album, the astral to, to change the world, to 170 00:09:39.269 --> 00:09:42.990 save the world basically. And so I wake up and 171 00:09:43.009 --> 00:09:46.029 I'm left with this dream. And then I have to 172 00:09:46.149 --> 00:09:52.159 create this album to lift, you know, consciousness, you know 173 00:09:52.179 --> 00:09:54.840 what I'm saying? So, In a way, I'm trying to 174 00:09:54.889 --> 00:09:58.820 make it, you know, make the thought and the idea 175 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:02.659 real by making this album, but it's just taking me 176 00:10:02.710 --> 00:10:05.629 a lot of time because people, you know, it's tough 177 00:10:05.669 --> 00:10:08.690 to like explain a lot of it. People don't really 178 00:10:08.730 --> 00:10:12.529 understand a lot of the concepts like quantum stuff and 179 00:10:12.929 --> 00:10:15.529 astral projection time travel. 180 00:10:15.809 --> 00:10:18.529 You know, if you, if, me and you can have 181 00:10:18.570 --> 00:10:19.649 a conversation like that. 182 00:10:19.690 --> 00:10:21.860 But if somebody even in hip hop listens to it, 183 00:10:21.889 --> 00:10:24.679 they just don't understand where I'm trying. 184 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:25.149 To go with it. 185 00:10:25.220 --> 00:10:27.919 So it's, it's gotta like, you have to teach a 186 00:10:27.940 --> 00:10:33.370 little bit people about a little bit about psychic phenomenon, um, parapsychology. 187 00:10:33.419 --> 00:10:35.590 And that's where I'm trying to bridge right now is, 188 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:40.070 is bridging that, that, um, you know, the coolness factor 189 00:10:40.490 --> 00:10:44.009 of everything with this science factor, that's kind of plain 190 00:10:44.070 --> 00:10:46.399 and dull and nothing's really going on. 191 00:10:47.590 --> 00:10:49.250 Well, it kind of works hand in hand, man. And 192 00:10:49.269 --> 00:10:53.110 that's what I'm seeing with my podcast for sure. Like 193 00:10:53.649 --> 00:10:56.080 it was just hip hop. Like I was known just 194 00:10:56.100 --> 00:10:58.679 for the hip hop and the esoteric stuff that I 195 00:10:58.700 --> 00:11:01.299 brought to the table. And, you know, instead of like 196 00:11:01.340 --> 00:11:04.519 trying to introduce it to people, Hey, check out my work. Like, 197 00:11:05.019 --> 00:11:08.919 like now it's just something that people find organically. Like 198 00:11:08.940 --> 00:11:12.600 if they're having an awakening, they may look up spiritual 199 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.419 music or they may look up something that has my 200 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.730 title on in the song awakening three 33, like all 201 00:11:18.750 --> 00:11:20.200 of this kind of stuff, they're looking it up and 202 00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:24.720 they're finding it organically. So, and then on the, on 203 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.799 the other aspect now of introducing the podcast and being 204 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.240 consistent with that, of having a following just for the music. 205 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:34.100 Now there's all these people who listen to the podcast 206 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:38.860 because it covers the same subject matter. They, they don't 207 00:11:38.899 --> 00:11:42.159 even know that I do music. So therefore most of them, 208 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.860 are instantly fans of the music. Like, Oh, you do music. 209 00:11:45.899 --> 00:11:47.500 And then I, I feel like I do it pretty 210 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.259 good too. So when they hear it, it's good quality stuff. 211 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:53.519 So it works vice versa. The people who like the music, 212 00:11:54.250 --> 00:11:56.230 they want to get a deeper understanding of the music, 213 00:11:56.289 --> 00:11:58.629 a deeper understanding of me, of spirituality. So they get 214 00:11:58.669 --> 00:12:01.110 into the podcast and they kind of

compliment each other, 215 00:12:01.149 --> 00:12:03.750 which is really cool. One question I wanted to ask 216 00:12:03.769 --> 00:12:05.970 you just, but we don't get too far past it. 217 00:12:06.769 --> 00:12:10.759 Are you familiar with the work of Courtney Brown? No. 218 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:11.320 Okay. 219 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:14.200 He's one of like, the top of remote viewing guys 220 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:18.200 who's doing these, uh, these studies and, and they're filming 221 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:20.600 and putting everything out on the internet. And if it 222 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:23.679 kind of got like this online university, I, and I 223 00:12:23.779 --> 00:12:26.960 only say that because I mean, I understand remote viewing. 224 00:12:27.059 --> 00:12:30.440 I haven't been head over heels for it. Um, but 225 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:33.600 he reached out to me through Jimmy church and, uh, 226 00:12:33.779 --> 00:12:37.000 and stuff, but he reached out wanting to do some 227 00:12:37.059 --> 00:12:41.139 music and me doing songs about like dedicated to that. 228 00:12:41.549 --> 00:12:44.389 And if you already have some stuff similar, I'd say 229 00:12:44.429 --> 00:12:46.580 you should reach out to him. I never did anything 230 00:12:46.620 --> 00:12:48.679 with him, but he's got a huge following big YouTube 231 00:12:48.700 --> 00:12:51.820 channel and he wanted to do something with hip hop and, 232 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.000 and that, uh, and, and, and remote viewing. And, uh, 233 00:12:55.019 --> 00:12:56.559 so yeah, I'll definitely reach out. 234 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:59.399 Cause I, uh, it's recently in the like last three 235 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.899 months I've been heavy into remote viewing too with projects 236 00:13:02.940 --> 00:13:03.259 and stuff. 237 00:13:03.299 --> 00:13:04.559 So that's, that's cool. Definitely. 238 00:13:05.379 --> 00:13:08.629 Yeah. Check him out. Um, so as far as, uh, 239 00:13:08.789 --> 00:13:10.620 you said you, you, before I cut you off a 240 00:13:10.620 --> 00:13:12.580 while ago, you were talking about you move, you moved 241 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:15.070 to North Carolina and was there something that. 242 00:13:15.190 --> 00:13:15.370 Yeah. 243 00:13:15.490 --> 00:13:17.870 Well, just, uh, and, and how I got involved really 244 00:13:17.929 --> 00:13:22.990 in like parapsychology. So, you know, I've, I've been involved, uh, 245 00:13:23.110 --> 00:13:27.200 interested in astral projection and, you know, everybody is interested 246 00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:29.679 in spiritual development. But for me, I think I was 247 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:32.480 interested more in a deeper level on like making discoveries 248 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:37.379 and like, and, and, you know, and scientific discoveries and 249 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:41.090 stuff like that and promoting that. And I just was, was, uh, 250 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:45.110 confused as to why all these, um, phenomenon and experiences 251 00:13:45.149 --> 00:13:47.570 were happening with people in it. It wasn't seen as, 252 00:13:47.769 --> 00:13:52.129 as mainstream as accepted as in mainstream. Um, so it 253 00:13:52.190 --> 00:13:54.529 confused me. So I, I wanted to find the missing 254 00:13:54.570 --> 00:13:58.200 link there of why it wasn't accepted yet. And so, um, 255 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:00.659 you know, one of the first places that I researched 256 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:02.620 and found out about was the Ryan research center, which 257 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:07.360 is in Durham, North Carolina. and was one of the oldest, um, 258 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:10.919 the oldest, uh, center for parapsychology and library in the 259 00:14:10.980 --> 00:14:14.320 United States. And, you know, basically this guy, JB Ryan, 260 00:14:14.860 --> 00:14:17.320 you know, started the whole field of parapsychology, which is 261 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:23.110 like studying psychic phenomenon. And, um, so his, his research 262 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:26.500 center split away from Duke university and kind of made it, uh, 263 00:14:26.509 --> 00:14:30.970 went independently nonprofit. And, uh, so I kind of went there, um, and, uh, 264 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.059 started just going there and reading books and just, you know, 265 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.470 they've got like basically the new age spirituality section on 266 00:14:39.590 --> 00:14:42.610 Barnes and Noble, like times it by 40, by 50. 267 00:14:42.610 --> 00:14:45.090 And that's, you know, that's basically where you'd want to 268 00:14:45.110 --> 00:14:46.450 hang out all the time and read books. 269 00:14:46.509 --> 00:14:50.610 So, you know, I would just go there all the time. 270 00:14:50.750 --> 00:14:52.690 And so I was the youngest person going there by 271 00:14:52.710 --> 00:14:55.769 probably like 25, 30 years old. And everybody was just 272 00:14:55.789 --> 00:14:57.870 kind of like, who's this young kid coming here? And 273 00:14:58.389 --> 00:15:00.789 I would come into the discussions and really try and 274 00:15:00.809 --> 00:15:08.090 learn about you know, the, the terms, you know, PK, ESP, 275 00:15:08.629 --> 00:15:11.779 you know, like near death experiences. And, and so I 276 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:14.220 was actually learning like the science about it and really 277 00:15:14.259 --> 00:15:17.860 learning like the statistics and the scientific method of, of 278 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:21.169 how to actually test for this stuff. So like learning 279 00:15:21.210 --> 00:15:24.129 about all that, it really, I, I wanted to break 280 00:15:24.169 --> 00:15:26.620 into the field. And, and at that time, You know, 281 00:15:26.659 --> 00:15:28.460 what I was doing was like hip hop and making 282 00:15:28.500 --> 00:15:30.879 videos and social media, and they weren't even doing anything 283 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.500 close to that in the field of parapsychology. They were 284 00:15:33.519 -->

00:15:38.440 still on publishing journals and doing these conferences and, you know, 285 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:39.659 doing all that. 286 00:15:39.700 --> 00:15:42.100 So, you know, when I first came in. 287 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:44.759 I had a million ideas and wanted to break through 288 00:15:44.830 --> 00:15:47.399 and they were just kind of overwhelmed. And I just 289 00:15:47.419 --> 00:15:49.399 kind of took a step back and said, you know, 290 00:15:49.419 --> 00:15:51.190 I've kind of got to work my way in on 291 00:15:51.250 --> 00:15:55.870 their level, you know, submitting projects, you know, for grants 292 00:15:56.789 --> 00:16:01.470 and trying to go to these conferences, you know, different 293 00:16:01.490 --> 00:16:03.289 things like that. So going in on more of like 294 00:16:03.340 --> 00:16:08.379 a scientist researcher level. So that's kind of where I'm 295 00:16:08.419 --> 00:16:11.720 at at this point is on that. 296 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:16.120 I mean, that's the best place to be. I think 297 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:18.360 that's the best place. place to approach it is where 298 00:16:19.580 --> 00:16:24.950 science and spirituality meet. That's the really cool thing. I've 299 00:16:25.409 --> 00:16:28.909 approached it from a similar standpoint, but I guess I'm more, 300 00:16:28.970 --> 00:16:32.049 just because of my background, approaching it from where religion 301 00:16:32.090 --> 00:16:35.570 and spirituality meet at this point and how all of 302 00:16:35.629 --> 00:16:38.779 these spiritual practices, the psychic abilities, the remote viewing, the 303 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:43.460 astral travel, bilocation, all of the stuff being reported in 304 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.360 the Bible and the Vedas and some of these other 305 00:16:47.470 --> 00:16:49.460 when we talk about ghosts, we're talking about aliens, all 306 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:51.960 of this stuff, man, like the ancients have experienced this. 307 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.320 It's not nothing new. We're talking about new age or 308 00:16:54.340 --> 00:16:57.679 whatever people in the religious community use that as like 309 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.100 a bad word. Oh, you're just a new age. It's 310 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:03.639 something new and made up and, you know, something that's 311 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.440 in the movies, but really this is something really old. 312 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:12.450 So to have these different studies, man, where they're studying 313 00:17:12.490 --> 00:17:15.009 remote viewing, you know, Courtney Brown, shout out to him, man, 314 00:17:15.029 --> 00:17:18.710 what he's doing. And they're like, they're, They're like going in, 315 00:17:18.769 --> 00:17:22.130 drawing pictures, what they see. I mean, I think, you know, 316 00:17:22.190 --> 00:17:24.369 as far as like the success rate for what he's doing, 317 00:17:24.450 --> 00:17:27.150 I'm not really sure, but they are doing the work. 318 00:17:27.410 --> 00:17:30.569 Like they're literally like training and going in and seeing 319 00:17:30.990 --> 00:17:34.180 what it's about. I mean, I think that probably for you, 320 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.539 definitely for me, most people in spirituality, when you first 321 00:17:37.579 --> 00:17:40.440 get into it, you want to know for yourself. It's 322 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:42.980 like we see the stuff on TV. We hear the 323 00:17:43.019 --> 00:17:46.200 people doing the lectures and all of this grandiose stuff. 324 00:17:46.220 --> 00:17:48.549 We watch the documentaries. But we want to know for 325 00:17:48.609 --> 00:17:51.869 ourself that this stuff is real, which I guess can 326 00:17:51.910 --> 00:17:57.160 kind of bridge the gap between UFOs, ufology, CE5 contact, 327 00:17:57.259 --> 00:18:00.640 aliens and stuff like that. Because we've watched Stephen Greer. 328 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:05.240 We've watched James Gilliland, David Wilcock. These names were big 329 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:08.880 for me early on. But I wanted to know for myself. 330 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.960 So that cool thing with the CE5 contacted a fifth 331 00:18:12.980 --> 00:18:17.109 con not to where. They contact you, like contact to 332 00:18:17.130 --> 00:18:22.450 the fourth kind, but you contact them. It's a new level. 333 00:18:23.009 --> 00:18:25.269 So you said you've went out and you've done some 334 00:18:25.289 --> 00:18:28.829 of that stuff, probably after watching some of those documentaries 335 00:18:28.910 --> 00:18:31.930 and watching those lectures, right? Being inspired to go out 336 00:18:32.250 --> 00:18:33.990 to see if it's real, see if you can do it. 337 00:18:34.089 --> 00:18:35.829 I mean, I'm sure there was a longing within to 338 00:18:35.869 --> 00:18:38.009 do it. You did it and you said you was 339 00:18:38.049 --> 00:18:40.289 able to film some stuff and you actually had some 340 00:18:40.849 --> 00:18:42.690 pretty powerful encounters out there, right? You want to talk 341 00:18:42.710 --> 00:18:43.430 a little bit about that? 342 00:18:44.190 --> 00:18:44.369 Yeah. 343 00:18:45.009 --> 00:18:45.230 Yeah. 344 00:18:45.250 --> 00:18:48.190 And really the, the self-discovery is, is a lot of 345 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:51.329 what motivates and fuels people because they hear about these 346 00:18:51.390 --> 00:18:53.930 experiences and then they, you know, try to do them 347 00:18:53.990 --> 00:18:56.579 and they actually do have the experiences and it, it 348 00:18:56.619 --> 00:18:58.799 wouldn't be as powerful if they were trying it and 349 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:02.859 they weren't having the experiences. They were just, you know, so, um, 350 00:19:02.900 --> 00:19:05.779 but yeah, I, I, um, had been interested in Steven 351 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:09.779 Greer's work for some time and, um, UFOs and extraterrestrial 352 00:19:09.819 --> 00:19:15.940 contact and really from a, just, um, evidence perspective, I 353 00:19:16.539 -->

00:19:20.039 really wanted to look for as much information as I 354 00:19:20.099 --> 00:19:25.160 could from like government and military and credible sources and, 355 00:19:25.460 --> 00:19:28.609 and not just videos because that, you know, 10 years ago, 356 00:19:28.630 --> 00:19:32.289 you know, it was still fake videos weren't as prevalent, 357 00:19:32.369 --> 00:19:34.509 I guess, as they are today, but you still couldn't 358 00:19:34.569 --> 00:19:36.650 be able to tell if something was really like a 359 00:19:36.789 --> 00:19:39.950 UFO or extraterrestrial, like you couldn't tell, you know, so. 360 00:19:41.150 --> 00:19:43.700 Like when he came out with the disclosure project, I 361 00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:47.039 was really intrigued because, you know, these were credible sources. 362 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.910 These were people who putting their names on the line. 363 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:53.480 you know, to get this information out. And then he 364 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:55.920 came out and started saying that he was actually going 365 00:19:55.940 --> 00:19:57.809 out in the field and like making contact and the 366 00:19:57.849 --> 00:20:00.630 phenomenon was happening, you know, in real life with people. 367 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:02.480 In groups of people. 368 00:20:03.420 --> 00:20:07.839 So, um, you know, I, I, uh, started researching that 369 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.680 and learned about the app. So I downloaded the app 370 00:20:11.089 --> 00:20:13.230 and started, you have been, I've been using it, you know, 371 00:20:13.309 --> 00:20:13.829 for years. 372 00:20:14.190 --> 00:20:16.130 I don't know about this. There's a CE five app. 373 00:20:16.910 --> 00:20:17.210 Yeah. 374 00:20:17.230 --> 00:20:20.400 So he's got an app and, um, I always been, uh, 375 00:20:20.430 --> 00:20:22.680 it's been around. I actually have wrote them. and to 376 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:24.940 try and make improvements to the app and they've, they've 377 00:20:25.009 --> 00:20:27.269 fixed the app a couple of times on the improvements 378 00:20:27.289 --> 00:20:32.269 that I've suggested. But, um, so it's, it's only like $ 8, 379 00:20:31.609 --> 00:20:34.009 actually pretty good price, but, uh, you go out in 380 00:20:34.029 --> 00:20:35.869 the field with the app and it plays the crop 381 00:20:35.910 --> 00:20:38.150 circle tones and, um, you know, you go through the 382 00:20:38.180 --> 00:20:42.240 whole meditation process, but, um, uh, so I, I've been 383 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:44.740 out a couple of times, uh, just by myself and 384 00:20:44.900 --> 00:20:47.460 there hasn't really been any, any type of phenomenon happening 385 00:20:47.500 --> 00:20:50.349 in It's only really it's interesting when I go out 386 00:20:50.369 --> 00:20:52.809 with other people that the phenomenon happened. 387 00:20:53.349 --> 00:20:55.630 Crazy thing for me is that it's the opposite, man. 388 00:20:56.269 --> 00:20:56.569 Really? 389 00:20:56.589 --> 00:20:57.170 Yeah. 390 00:20:58.089 --> 00:20:58.450 Yeah. 391 00:20:59.329 --> 00:21:01.170 I guess because I've had a lot of time, like 392 00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:04.210 I would spend, you know, three, four hours out there 393 00:21:04.230 --> 00:21:06.390 by myself, you know, versus when you go with people. 394 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:09.220 A lot of them get antsy and they're ready to leave. 395 00:21:09.259 --> 00:21:11.640 And that just messes with the whole vibe, you know? 396 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:12.279 Yeah. 397 00:21:12.299 --> 00:21:12.380 Yeah. 398 00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:14.019 Yeah. 399 00:21:14.140 --> 00:21:18.440 See, when I usually go out with people, I don't 400 00:21:18.460 --> 00:21:22.440 really have the intention to go out beforehand. It's usually 401 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:26.220 like people are out late at night or like we're 402 00:21:26.259 --> 00:21:28.440 just out, you know, and just kind of like, hey, 403 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:29.980 you know, we're in a nice spot. 404 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:31.660 This would be a good place to do it. You 405 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:32.259 want to try it. 406 00:21:32.619 --> 00:21:34.750 That's kind of like more of like, it's less of 407 00:21:34.789 --> 00:21:37.180 like planned because I think like if you plan it, 408 00:21:37.210 --> 00:21:39.170 there's a little bit more of like pressure and like 409 00:21:39.509 --> 00:21:42.329 people get anxious and like, there's feelings of like, there's 410 00:21:42.369 --> 00:21:43.039 nothing happening. 411 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:45.299 So if something doesn't happen, if it's. 412 00:21:45.059 --> 00:21:46.640 More spontaneous, yeah. 413 00:21:46.700 --> 00:21:48.920 Like if something doesn't happen, there's no, like, there's no 414 00:21:48.980 --> 00:21:51.799 like big buildup, you know? So if you're just like, 415 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.109 Hey man, you want to try it? And they're just like, yeah, sure. 416 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:54.440 Whatever. 417 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.319 There's no real expectation there. They're not like, you know, 418 00:21:57.339 --> 00:22:00.000 having some big thought that's going to happen. So a 419 00:22:00.019 --> 00:22:01.480 lot of the times I would just kind of do 420 00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:04.750 that spur of the moment and spontaneously. And as soon 421 00:22:04.789 --> 00:22:06.349 as I would try, it's funny, like as soon as 422 00:22:06.410 --> 00:22:08.410 I would turn it on and these like, it would 423 00:22:08.430 --> 00:22:10.829 be like within like 20 seconds, something would happen either 424 00:22:10.869 --> 00:22:13.759 like shooting stars would go or lights would start blinking 425 00:22:13.779 --> 00:22:16.339 or Um, but there was one instance where I went 426 00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:18.940 out with my brother for the first time, um, in 427 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:23.140 Massachusetts and it was a really clear night. And my 428 00:22:23.180 --> 00:22:25.440 brother is really

interested in UFOs and I'd been telling 429 00:22:25.460 --> 00:22:27.700 him about the app. So we'd never tried it. So 430 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.650 we went out one night and, uh, uh, we were 431 00:22:30.670 --> 00:22:33.630 just kind of out, uh, this secluded area right near 432 00:22:33.670 --> 00:22:35.230 this beach. And I said, Hey man, do you want 433 00:22:35.250 --> 00:22:38.000 to try it? And, uh, Couldn't have been about a 434 00:22:38.339 --> 00:22:42.440 minute and a half in where he asked me, what 435 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:45.200 exactly are we looking for? Literally, as soon as he 436 00:22:45.269 --> 00:22:47.869 said that thought, a light popped up in the sky. 437 00:22:48.410 --> 00:22:50.829 And we both looked at the light and said, wow, man, 438 00:22:51.589 --> 00:22:53.829 that's cool. So what I did was I grabbed my 439 00:22:53.890 --> 00:22:57.829 phone and he started filming on his phone. And what 440 00:22:57.890 --> 00:23:01.009 I did was grab my phone and I started with 441 00:23:01.029 --> 00:23:05.079 the flashlight. So I got a flashlight and I flashed 442 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:08.309 it twice And it flashed back twice at me, the 443 00:23:08.349 --> 00:23:10.940 light did in the sky. And that kind of like 444 00:23:11.019 --> 00:23:13.720 just took it to a whole nother level. And so 445 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:16.420 I tried it again. So as this, this light's also 446 00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:19.079 moving from, from kind of like side to side in 447 00:23:19.099 --> 00:23:22.579 the sky, um, solid light, but it's definitely brighter than, 448 00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:25.269 than anything was out there. And so after it flashed 449 00:23:25.549 --> 00:23:28.829 us twice, after I flashed it, I flashed it again, uh, 450 00:23:29.490 --> 00:23:30.069 two times. 451 00:23:30.430 --> 00:23:32.430 And again, it flashed back twice. 452 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:36.480 So to me, some kind of communication was going on 453 00:23:36.529 --> 00:23:41.950 there that, you know, and again, nothing, this was kind 454 00:23:41.990 --> 00:23:45.549 of like just a spontaneous plan. So I had not 455 00:23:45.589 --> 00:23:48.730 been planning to do this at this spot. And so 456 00:23:48.789 --> 00:23:51.599 we didn't know that anything was in that location. So, 457 00:23:51.619 --> 00:23:54.779 you know, it was really interesting that that just popped 458 00:23:54.819 --> 00:23:56.559 up and happened. And after that, it just kind of 459 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.019 disappeared into the air. And my brother instantly went into 460 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.359 this whole conversation analysis of what it could have been 461 00:24:03.410 --> 00:24:06.359 satellite or star, you know, and it, and, you know, 462 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:08.259 at the end, it was just like, dude, that was 463 00:24:08.299 --> 00:24:10.720 just like an incredible experience, um, that you just have 464 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:11.660 to take it for what it was. 465 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.380 And, um, so that was, that was. 466 00:24:14.259 --> 00:24:18.240 Just kind of like the, the, the best, um, experience 467 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:21.160 that I had from the CE5 contact. And now in 468 00:24:21.299 --> 00:24:24.579 North Carolina and locally here, I've actually started a group. 469 00:24:24.660 --> 00:24:27.750 It's a CE5 and remote viewing group. So we can 470 00:24:27.789 --> 00:24:29.869 actually go out, um, now that the weather's getting a 471 00:24:29.869 --> 00:24:32.230 little bit better, um, and, you know, go out as 472 00:24:32.269 --> 00:24:33.490 a group and try and make contact. 473 00:24:34.609 --> 00:24:37.130 That's awesome, bro. I haven't been out in a long time. 474 00:24:37.829 --> 00:24:40.829 So I planned to go out by myself during the 475 00:24:40.869 --> 00:24:42.869 new moon. You know, you can see a lot more 476 00:24:43.410 --> 00:24:45.690 stars and things like that. Just stargazing. I mean, there's 477 00:24:45.710 --> 00:24:48.130 just so much power in just stargazing in itself, you know? 478 00:24:48.730 --> 00:24:49.009 Yeah. 479 00:24:49.150 --> 00:24:51.710 So I wanted to go out, but then I asked 480 00:24:51.769 --> 00:24:53.730 a friend because a friend was like, hey, we should 481 00:24:53.769 --> 00:24:55.430 go out. I was like, hey, I'm planning it. He's like, well, 482 00:24:55.450 --> 00:24:57.430 let's make an event. So I made, I was like, 483 00:24:57.470 --> 00:24:59.710 you know what? Let me invite my people. Let's just 484 00:24:59.730 --> 00:25:03.200 do a global contact the event and wherever you are, 485 00:25:03.289 --> 00:25:05.460 you could just go out with us wherever you are, 486 00:25:05.529 --> 00:25:09.289 find a field, a baseball field, a park, whatever, anywhere 487 00:25:09.329 --> 00:25:12.039 you can go and do it. So we did it. 488 00:25:12.670 --> 00:25:15.130 And this was the 15th of last month, which was 489 00:25:15.170 --> 00:25:19.180 the new moon of July. And I mean, May. And 490 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.480 I seen like four within an hour and I hadn't 491 00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:24.119 been out in so long. So we went out there, 492 00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:26.809 did like a little meditation and prayer. and I sent 493 00:25:26.829 --> 00:25:28.549 the vibes out and a lot, I got a lot 494 00:25:28.589 --> 00:25:30.849 of feedback from a lot of people all over the 495 00:25:30.950 --> 00:25:33.450 U S man, uh, who went out and had these 496 00:25:33.509 --> 00:25:37.059 encounters and stuff. Have you ever had anything happen during 497 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:38.859 the day? Have you ever seen any of the, the 498 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.059 cylinder shaped spacecraft or anything during the day? 499 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:46.539 No, not, not during the day. No, I've had like 500 00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:49.160 psychic phenomenon. I've had a couple of psych phenomenon, but 501 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:53.480 that's the only like, uh,

extraterrestrial experience, uh. 502 00:25:54.059 --> 00:25:55.940 What do you mean? Like they were trying to talk 503 00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:57.460 to you during the day or? 504 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.279 Well, no, I've had like precognition dreams. 505 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.519 So when I lived in Atlanta, one of the first 506 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:06.980 events that really got me interested in psychic phenomenon was 507 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:09.869 when I was in Atlanta, I was also producing music 508 00:26:09.990 --> 00:26:11.750 and I would let people come in from time to 509 00:26:11.789 --> 00:26:15.569 time and record at my house or my apartment. And unfortunately, 510 00:26:16.190 --> 00:26:17.930 one time I let one of the wrong people come 511 00:26:17.970 --> 00:26:19.910 in my apartment and I guess they scouted it out 512 00:26:19.950 --> 00:26:24.519 pretty good. But I had a dream that my apartment 513 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:26.920 was robbed. And in the dream, I come in my 514 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.259 apartment and go straight to my music studio where all 515 00:26:29.299 --> 00:26:31.779 my stuff is and see that all my equipment was gone. 516 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.440 And I also had a backup hard drive at the time. 517 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.039 And as you know, in music, your hard drive is 518 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.119 like one of the most important things. So my backup 519 00:26:41.140 --> 00:26:42.900 hard drive was in my closet, like on top of 520 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.579 my closet. And this is in my dream. So I 521 00:26:45.619 --> 00:26:48.829 go see that I'm robbed. See all my stuff's gone. 522 00:26:49.569 --> 00:26:50.109 All my equipment. 523 00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:52.049 I go straight to my closet where my backup hard 524 00:26:52.069 --> 00:26:55.349 drive is there. Wake up out of my dream. So 525 00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:57.450 I was like, oh, that's a weird dream. Three days later, 526 00:26:57.470 --> 00:27:02.250 I come home to my apartment. Same scenario takes place. 527 00:27:02.289 --> 00:27:03.289 I come home. I'm robbed. 528 00:27:03.670 --> 00:27:07.559 Go straight into my apartment. Go to my music studio, 529 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.059 my room. All my equipment's gone. Go straight to my closet. 530 00:27:11.900 --> 00:27:13.599 Look at my hard drive. My hard drive was still there. 531 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:15.740 And I didn't put too into it. I mean, obviously, 532 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:17.900 at the time, I'm like, damn, I'm robbed. I'm not 533 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.029 thinking about like the correlation of the dream. But like 534 00:27:21.049 --> 00:27:23.049 a couple of weeks later, I was like, wow, that 535 00:27:23.089 --> 00:27:27.390 was kind of crazy with the dream. So that was 536 00:27:27.470 --> 00:27:30.599 one of the events. Another precognition dream I had just 537 00:27:30.819 --> 00:27:36.539 shortly involved my daughter, which is She in the dream, 538 00:27:36.630 --> 00:27:39.180 I dreamt that she was in trouble and I ran 539 00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:43.480 upstairs and actually saved her, you know, kind of lift 540 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:47.029 her up and she regained consciousness and everything was OK. 541 00:27:47.069 --> 00:27:50.089 So three days later, I had a dream in which 542 00:27:50.230 --> 00:27:52.630 she was sleeping and I'm looking at her on the 543 00:27:52.650 --> 00:27:54.809 baby monitor and she had this she's got like a 544 00:27:54.849 --> 00:27:58.400 strap that she has on her belt on a waistline 545 00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.779 that holds her in her crib or whatever. And I 546 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:03.400 noticed on the monitor that she wasn't there. 547 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:05.259 She was gone. And I was like, dang, that's weird. 548 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.039 So not good. 549 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.700 And so I ran upstairs in a panic and noticed 550 00:28:11.740 --> 00:28:13.900 that as I got in the room, she was hunched over. 551 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:16.960 So basically the strap was like strangling her. She couldn't breathe. 552 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:20.190 And so I ran over to her, picked her up 553 00:28:20.589 --> 00:28:24.309 and she regained her breath and consciousness after that. So 554 00:28:24.349 --> 00:28:26.410 those were the two like dreams that I had that 555 00:28:26.849 --> 00:28:30.250 were actually precognitive that I would say were precognition dreams. 556 00:28:31.509 --> 00:28:37.460 Yeah, that's powerful, man. There's so much stuff that goes 557 00:28:37.619 --> 00:28:40.859 on when we're asleep. We're able to receive information. We're 558 00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:44.839 traveling places. And I don't claim to understand it. And 559 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.299 I kind of scoff at the people who do. You know, 560 00:28:47.380 --> 00:28:50.160 it's really hard to kind of grasp and figure out 561 00:28:50.259 --> 00:28:53.390 what exactly. Okay, when you sleep, you're traveling to another 562 00:28:53.490 --> 00:28:56.250 realm or you're going to the real world. We're in 563 00:28:56.269 --> 00:28:58.289 the dream world now. And when you go to sleep, 564 00:28:58.329 --> 00:29:00.789 you're going to the real world. Like, It's really hard 565 00:29:00.809 --> 00:29:03.950 to put your finger on what is actually happening, even 566 00:29:04.049 --> 00:29:07.869 with ufology and the aliens. Oh, those are the Arcturians. 567 00:29:07.910 --> 00:29:10.450 They're visiting us. They've been here. And, you know, they 568 00:29:10.490 --> 00:29:12.230 actually put these names and stuff to it. And people 569 00:29:12.650 --> 00:29:15.490 who are like experts, the Corey Goods, those kind of people, 570 00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:19.960 you know, it's really hard to say because I've had 571 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.890 so many encounters. I should be an expert. You know 572 00:29:24.910 --> 00:29:27.789 what I'm saying? Like, I've seen so much stuff.

There 573 00:29:27.910 --> 00:29:32.859 is weird stuff. There's telepathic communication. There's there's contact in 574 00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:35.519 the dreams. There's so much stuff. But I still cannot 575 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.190 put my finger on what exactly is going on. And 576 00:29:38.250 --> 00:29:40.400 so I like to I still like to reference. the 577 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.339 holy books the angelic realm and and see where the 578 00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:47.200 bible's talking about angels and how the angels visited uh 579 00:29:47.859 --> 00:29:50.309 people and that they were there without them even knowing 580 00:29:50.369 --> 00:29:54.410 and they sent telepathic communication to the prophets and people 581 00:29:54.430 --> 00:29:57.009 would fast and pray and were stained from meat for 582 00:29:57.049 --> 00:29:59.920 weeks on end and then angels were would approach them 583 00:29:59.980 --> 00:30:03.369 and things like that. So it's very similar to the 584 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.509 CE5 initiative, Jesus going on top of a mountain to 585 00:30:06.569 --> 00:30:10.109 pray and to meditate. And then clouds are communicating with him. 586 00:30:10.210 --> 00:30:12.650 Voices are coming out of the clouds. I mean, what, 587 00:30:12.970 --> 00:30:15.049 what the hell we're staring at the clouds and we're 588 00:30:15.089 --> 00:30:19.789 receiving telepathic communication. Sounds very much like the same thing. 589 00:30:19.829 --> 00:30:22.970 You know, uh, I see some, um, uh, was that 590 00:30:23.069 --> 00:30:24.089 R2D2 behind you? 591 00:30:24.109 --> 00:30:25.210 Oh yeah. 592 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.940 Yeah, I have a little obsession with R2-D2. I got 593 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:30.480 my R2-D2 shirt, dude. 594 00:30:30.619 --> 00:30:36.960 It's bad. There's so much, like, even the allegory within 595 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:42.220 Star Wars, it weaves in through religion, for one, every religion, 596 00:30:42.250 --> 00:30:45.869 not just Christianity, but Buddhism, I mean, whatever. It's so funny, like, 597 00:30:45.890 --> 00:30:48.190 there's books and, like, each one of those religions will 598 00:30:48.210 --> 00:30:51.089 try to say that, oh, Star Wars isn't an analogy 599 00:30:51.130 --> 00:30:53.349 for our religion, and they'll write books on it. But, 600 00:30:53.369 --> 00:30:56.630 I mean, that should show you that there's a third 601 00:30:56.670 --> 00:30:59.650 party who is like vouching that we're all saying the 602 00:30:59.690 --> 00:31:03.170 same thing in these religions type deal. Right. Um, but 603 00:31:03.890 --> 00:31:06.059 even in, so you got religion and you got, you 604 00:31:06.099 --> 00:31:10.400 got just spirituality and ufology of them. I mean, there's 605 00:31:10.460 --> 00:31:13.400 the spacecraft, all of this kind of star Wars, like 606 00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:17.420 literally star Wars. And, um, every case he talks about 607 00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:20.750 the battle of Armageddon

being fought in outer space, all 608 00:31:20.769 --> 00:31:25.109 of these different correlations that Spielberg was on to something, man, like, 609 00:31:25.470 --> 00:31:29.930 these people know something that they're letting out through literature 610 00:31:29.990 --> 00:31:33.210 and through art and through story and through allegory, just like. 611 00:31:33.630 --> 00:31:36.140 Even like Marvel, you know, somewhere like Marvel, you know, 612 00:31:37.940 --> 00:31:38.839 like actually, you know. 613 00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:41.500 Shoot, we look at Wakanda and all that stuff. I mean, 614 00:31:41.539 --> 00:31:45.140 in those spacecraft that way, cloak and uncloak and, and 615 00:31:45.460 --> 00:31:47.529 kids seeing a man, it's, you know, they, they hide 616 00:31:47.569 --> 00:31:49.839 that stuff within the movies. I think we could do a, 617 00:31:49.849 --> 00:31:52.849 I was thinking about doing like a full podcast or 618 00:31:52.890 --> 00:31:56.230 just going live or whatever, talking about, all the movies. 619 00:31:56.289 --> 00:31:59.049 Cause I've, you know, when you're sensitive, you're able to 620 00:31:59.089 --> 00:32:01.069 pick up on all kinds of stuff that's going on 621 00:32:01.089 --> 00:32:03.609 in these movies and you've done the research and knowledge, man. 622 00:32:04.089 --> 00:32:06.349 But I kind of want to talk about all this stuff, 623 00:32:06.390 --> 00:32:09.349 but then I wouldn't want to ruin it or spoil 624 00:32:09.410 --> 00:32:13.240 it for anyone who hasn't seen the movie because you know, 625 00:32:13.299 --> 00:32:16.140 that's part of the magic is actually experiencing it for yourself. 626 00:32:16.259 --> 00:32:18.819 But I've referenced a lot of that work in my music, 627 00:32:18.859 --> 00:32:21.099 putting a lot of samples and clips from movies and 628 00:32:21.700 --> 00:32:23.039 from lectures and stuff like that. 629 00:32:23.059 --> 00:32:27.710 Um, One of the most frustrating things about the field 630 00:32:27.849 --> 00:32:31.009 of parapsychology right now is the fact that there's so 631 00:32:31.049 --> 00:32:34.769 much support for the entertainment side of these, of this stuff, 632 00:32:35.289 --> 00:32:37.309 you know, near death experience, you know, you go on 633 00:32:37.369 --> 00:32:39.819 Netflix and it's like psychic phenomenon is. 634 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:42.140 Involved in more than half of the. 635 00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:43.240 Shows and stuff, but. 636 00:32:43.099 --> 00:32:47.579 There's no, yeah, there's basically no funding for the real 637 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:49.960 research that's going on for it, you know? 638 00:32:50.049 --> 00:32:51.349 So that's crazy, man. 639 00:32:51.630 --> 00:32:52.130 It's crazy. 640 00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:55.819 I will say, I want to, I want to point 641 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.660 out that you were asking about like the methodology of 642 00:32:58.779 --> 00:33:01.799 the psychic phenomenon for, for like when I was talking 643 00:33:01.819 --> 00:33:04.539 about my precognition dream, one of the things that I 644 00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:08.599 noticed just with me of, of, of what may have 645 00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:13.259 caused it was the actual event itself of the day 646 00:33:13.299 --> 00:33:14.019 that it happened. 647 00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:14.480 Right. 648 00:33:14.900 --> 00:33:18.549 So the, the two things that I noticed, the one 649 00:33:18.569 --> 00:33:21.210 thing that I noticed between the two events that were 650 00:33:21.250 --> 00:33:27.440 the same was Was my emotion and my heightened emotion 651 00:33:27.460 --> 00:33:30.779 in that split in that 10 seconds. 652 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:31.319 Right. 653 00:33:31.779 --> 00:33:35.640 So in that it's almost like I would make it 654 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.990 similar to like getting chased by a dog. Right. 655 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:39.240 If you're getting chased. 656 00:33:39.019 --> 00:33:42.059 By a dog that looks about to kill you, there's 657 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.460 nothing else you're thinking about other than getting away. 658 00:33:44.619 --> 00:33:44.839 Right. 659 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.539 Like your mind is 100% on getting away from the dog. 660 00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:51.720 That's like me. My mind was 100% in that moment, 661 00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:54.750 like in the moment. So I was like 100%. Oh, 662 00:33:55.089 --> 00:33:57.089 I'm getting robbed. And I was like going through a 663 00:33:57.089 --> 00:34:01.809 heightened emotional state of that. I've had you that I'm 664 00:34:01.869 --> 00:34:04.630 not usually in, you know what I'm saying? So to 665 00:34:04.750 --> 00:34:10.500 me that may have correlated with, that, that event back 666 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.960 through time in my dream so that I was that 667 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.679 somehow three days, you know, I don't know, timing wise, 668 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.760 I don't know, but that may have been the link 669 00:34:21.019 --> 00:34:23.559 to me is that heightened state of emotion so that 670 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:27.400 I could receive that information in my dream, you know, 671 00:34:27.460 --> 00:34:30.280 so that if people do have those heightened state of 672 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.420 emotions and they're able to dream and have access to 673 00:34:33.460 --> 00:34:35.880 that information and they're open to it, then they can 674 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.739 receive the information. But if they don't know that they can, 675 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.320 it's almost like if you don't know that telepathy or 676 00:34:42.380 --> 00:34:45.960 stuff is happening, then if you don't know what it is, 677 00:34:45.980 --> 00:34:48.380 then you don't know that it's happening to you. 678 00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:50.960 So if you know what psychic phenomenon is, if. 679 00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:54.889 You know that telepathy, what it is, then you can 680 00:34:54.929 --> 00:34:56.989 look for it and

you can notice it happening to you. 681 00:34:56.909 --> 00:34:57.429 All the time. 682 00:34:57.670 --> 00:34:58.809 It becomes an option. 683 00:34:58.849 --> 00:34:59.130 Yeah. 684 00:34:59.789 --> 00:35:00.670 And you'll notice it. 685 00:35:00.690 --> 00:35:02.869 More often and it happens to you more often. 686 00:35:02.929 --> 00:35:04.630 So that's kind of like what it is. 687 00:35:04.650 --> 00:35:05.269 Mm-hmm. 688 00:35:05.780 --> 00:35:07.539 Yeah, man, you're able to kind of create your own 689 00:35:07.579 --> 00:35:11.460 reality simply because you believe it. And there's, you know, 690 00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:13.780 there's people who will never believe it. There's people who 691 00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:17.239 in religion is always a good thing to go back 692 00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:19.840 to when like using analogy, but there's people in religion, man, 693 00:35:19.860 --> 00:35:24.260 who believe crazy out there stuff, but to them, they're right. 694 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:26.869 Like in their mind, this is the right way, whether 695 00:35:26.889 --> 00:35:30.789 it be polygamy or beliefs about people going to hell 696 00:35:30.869 --> 00:35:33.829 and Everybody they see on the street is going to hell, 697 00:35:33.849 --> 00:35:36.349 but them and their family and their church, like that's 698 00:35:36.389 --> 00:35:42.409 their truth. They respond to anything, any situation because of 699 00:35:42.449 --> 00:35:45.659 that belief system. And that's real to them. And so 700 00:35:46.099 --> 00:35:48.860 as a man thinketh in his heart, so he is. 701 00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.300 And so the things that you think about, the things 702 00:35:51.340 --> 00:35:53.619 you speak, the things you entertain, you're going to begin 703 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.280 to believe it. And I like the term terminology, repetition 704 00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.820 reduces resistance because the more we see something, the more 705 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.900 we're going to be open to it. The more that 706 00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:04.599 we hear it over and over, the more we're going 707 00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:07.289 to begin to believe it. And, and that's good with 708 00:36:07.329 --> 00:36:12.070 like positive affirmations over yourself, speaking blessings over yourself and 709 00:36:12.369 --> 00:36:14.590 over your family and things like that, because I begin 710 00:36:14.650 --> 00:36:16.929 to believe it. Tell them, tell them that they're, that 711 00:36:16.969 --> 00:36:18.840 they're loved, man. You know what I'm saying? Tell them 712 00:36:18.860 --> 00:36:21.480 that they're cherished and stuff like that, just so they'll, they'll, 713 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.039 they'll know it, but also show them too. That's the 714 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.809 crazy thing about the belief system and There's stuff that 715 00:36:27.869 --> 00:36:30.849 I've seen that people will never see. You know what 716 00:36:30.869 --> 00:36:33.510 I'm saying? And I

don't think that I'm privileged or 717 00:36:33.570 --> 00:36:36.260 anything that I've seen it. Like there's those people too, 718 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.980 you know, and I was selected and I'm a prophet 719 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.059 or whatever. You got the Billy Myers and stuff like 720 00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:43.960 that out there, which we did a show on that. But, 721 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:48.570 you know, I think that what we're talking about, I 722 00:36:48.610 --> 00:36:52.409 think it's for anyone to experience. Like anybody can download 723 00:36:52.429 --> 00:36:54.409 that app and just take the time and go out 724 00:36:54.429 --> 00:36:56.920 there and do that. and they can have an experience, 725 00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.219 maybe not after the first time, maybe not the second, 726 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.579 but I think if you want that experience, I think 727 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.880 it will manifest for you. And the reality in which 728 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.230 we live that we, I think we're creating it, man. 729 00:37:07.329 --> 00:37:10.550 Like whatever you believe is real for you. Like I, 730 00:37:11.130 --> 00:37:14.969 I don't, you know, I think, I think it is relative, man. 731 00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:19.539 I think fairies exist. I think that gnomes exist and, uh, whatever. 732 00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:24.010 And if people give themselves enough time over discovering the, 733 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:28.599 whether they exist or because they believe it, it exists 734 00:37:29.139 --> 00:37:32.019 and it manifests like it literally shows up to them 735 00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:34.440 because they believe it. I mean, like you're saying your, 736 00:37:34.460 --> 00:37:37.739 your friend, uh, with, with like the whole, the whole 737 00:37:37.820 --> 00:37:40.820 UFO thing, you start seeing them, but then you start 738 00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:44.539 explaining it away. It's good to explain it away at first, 739 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.780 because I've been out there with people at every, every 740 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.809 plane is a UFO. You know what I'm saying? And like, nah, 741 00:37:50.889 --> 00:37:53.599 you want it to be real. but let's make sure 742 00:37:53.659 --> 00:37:56.119 that what we're seeing is something that we can explain. 743 00:37:56.139 --> 00:37:59.440 And then you have the encounter. So with fairies, with gnomes, 744 00:37:59.500 --> 00:38:02.739 with astral projection, with reading thoughts and reading minds and 745 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:04.860 like all of that's real. If you can believe it, 746 00:38:04.900 --> 00:38:08.340 whatever it is, I've, I've experienced that in my own life. And, uh, 747 00:38:09.260 --> 00:38:13.550 there's been tons of placebo effects. I think, uh, I 748 00:38:13.590 --> 00:38:17.469 think that, uh, you know, like the supernatural in religion 749 00:38:17.510 --> 00:38:21.250 with like faith healers and Reiki healing and, believing that 750 00:38:21.289 --> 00:38:24.289 you're going to be healed and people get healed. Like it's, 751 00:38:24.489 --> 00:38:26.679 it's deep. If you can believe it, you can receive it. 752 00:38:27.070 --> 00:38:29.829 Like in the world, they say, you know, if I, uh, 753 00:38:30.809 --> 00:38:32.750 if I can see it, then I believe it. Show, 754 00:38:32.909 --> 00:38:35.070 if you show me, I'll believe it. Like that's one 755 00:38:35.110 --> 00:38:36.530 way to look at it. But the way people of 756 00:38:36.590 --> 00:38:39.570 faith in the spirit, spiritual community, it's like, if we 757 00:38:39.610 --> 00:38:42.340 believe it, then we'll receive it, whatever it is. If 758 00:38:42.380 --> 00:38:43.920 I'm going to be well, if I'm going to, if 759 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:45.619 this is going to happen, if these doors are going 760 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.480 to open it, I'm going to believe it and I'm 761 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.829 going to manifest it. by my thoughts and then by 762 00:38:49.869 --> 00:38:52.070 speaking and creating it and then I'll receive it and 763 00:38:52.090 --> 00:38:52.429 see it. 764 00:38:53.829 --> 00:38:54.150 Yeah. 765 00:38:54.610 --> 00:38:57.969 I see a lot of people online too, that, you know, 766 00:38:57.989 --> 00:39:01.210 they'll give their take on how they feel their spirit, 767 00:39:01.730 --> 00:39:03.949 how they feel, you know, what their reason is for 768 00:39:03.989 --> 00:39:07.880 them being, you know, in existence or whatever. And they'll 769 00:39:07.900 --> 00:39:10.199 try to convince other people to try and think their 770 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:13.280 way instead of just, you know, just telling it like 771 00:39:13.300 --> 00:39:16.139 they telling it like it is and telling it how 772 00:39:16.179 --> 00:39:18.360 they feel and just provide the information and let people, 773 00:39:18.889 --> 00:39:21.429 decide for themselves. You know, there's a lot of just 774 00:39:21.550 --> 00:39:26.019 trying to convince people and to, you know, get people 775 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.170 to think how they think instead of just providing the information. 776 00:39:29.210 --> 00:39:31.469 That's why I really, respect people who are just like, 777 00:39:31.530 --> 00:39:34.570 you know, here's the information. Take it for what it is. 778 00:39:34.630 --> 00:39:36.130 You know, do with it what you must. I'm not 779 00:39:36.170 --> 00:39:37.130 trying to convince anybody. 780 00:39:37.150 --> 00:39:39.889 I have a problem with know-it-alls these days. You know, 781 00:39:40.050 --> 00:39:42.900 I try to approach it without an agenda. And I'm 782 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.000 sensitive to it because I've come from religion where you 783 00:39:46.059 --> 00:39:49.940 had an agenda to win every conversation, to convince people. 784 00:39:50.590 --> 00:39:54.090 that you were right and they were wrong on anything, 785 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.739 anything that your beliefs differed in, whatever it was,

you know, 786 00:39:57.780 --> 00:40:00.360 you find out where they're wrong and then you work 787 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.380 on trying to win them over to your realm of thinking. 788 00:40:03.699 --> 00:40:05.380 Like it was really weird. And now that I look 789 00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:07.809 back at it, it's dirty. I don't like it at all. 790 00:40:08.110 --> 00:40:11.309 So I'm sensitive to that now. So the know-it-alls, whether 791 00:40:11.349 --> 00:40:15.110 they're in religion or whether they're in ufology, I question it. 792 00:40:15.210 --> 00:40:18.949 You know, that's their truth. That's what's real for them. And, but, 793 00:40:20.260 --> 00:40:22.119 you know, you have a lot of charlatans, you know 794 00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:24.360 what I'm saying? And you question a lot of people, 795 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:28.059 but it's good. Like everything that we're bringing to the table, 796 00:40:28.179 --> 00:40:31.610 I think that, you know, it's for people. You can 797 00:40:31.659 --> 00:40:34.389 test this stuff. You've been doing it. You're a believer 798 00:40:34.429 --> 00:40:37.650 for a reason. Like you've had encounters. You didn't just 799 00:40:37.690 --> 00:40:40.090 watch a couple of documentaries and then run around telling 800 00:40:40.130 --> 00:40:43.170 people like you've actually done the research. You've spent the 801 00:40:43.630 --> 00:40:47.539 hours out there under the stars and investigating and reading 802 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:49.760 and referencing and things like that. So there's a reason 803 00:40:50.420 --> 00:40:53.639 that people believe what they believe. And if it, it's 804 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:55.699 something that can better people, if it can, if it 805 00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:57.599 can help them and things like that, that's what it's 806 00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:02.530 about for me. Um, we talk about UFOs, how about ufology? 807 00:41:02.570 --> 00:41:05.869 You know, there's the, I talk about that. I approach 808 00:41:05.909 --> 00:41:08.730 it without a, without an agenda, but I think, I 809 00:41:08.750 --> 00:41:10.849 think that would be somewhat of a lie. I like 810 00:41:10.889 --> 00:41:14.829 I'm open, but I, but there, there is some agenda 811 00:41:14.869 --> 00:41:17.730 because there's cringe and triggers. You know what I'm saying? Um, 812 00:41:18.070 --> 00:41:22.289 when someone would talk about something that goes against what 813 00:41:22.349 --> 00:41:24.519 I believe it's still there. Like I can notice it. 814 00:41:24.929 --> 00:41:27.179 Like if we're talking about the abduction phenomenon, like a 815 00:41:27.219 --> 00:41:30.099 lot of people hate what we're talking about now because 816 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.119 they're really sold on the abduction stuff that in my 817 00:41:34.219 --> 00:41:37.320 truth and my experiences was happening a long time ago, 818 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.679 or those stories came out a long time ago. I've never, 819 00:41:40.699 --> 00:41:44.110 I haven't met anyone. There's some, there's a few out there, 820 00:41:44.489 --> 00:41:47.130 but I, I don't hear that word anymore. I don't 821 00:41:47.210 --> 00:41:49.570 hear people saying, hey, I was abducted last night, man. 822 00:41:49.590 --> 00:41:52.590 These aliens showed up for me, did all these experiments. 823 00:41:53.010 --> 00:41:55.699 And for me to believe them with that too, there's 824 00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:59.219 that whole aspect, the storytelling aspect. But people are calling 825 00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:04.340 themselves experiencers, contactees, like when they do crossover, when they do, 826 00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:07.440 like we're not being abducted. Now we're contacting them. Hey, 827 00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:07.860 help us. 828 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:08.539 Are you real? 829 00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:10.610 We need some help down here. Like that's kind of 830 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.110 what's going on now. What would you say as far 831 00:42:14.170 --> 00:42:18.260 as like, the abduction scenarios? Is it something that's phased out? 832 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:19.920 Did it ever happen? Is that something you have to 833 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.260 be careful of with doing a CE5? Cause you go 834 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.019 out there, you signaling craft, you're meditating and then you 835 00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:29.659 get abducted. They take you, they do experiments on you, 836 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:31.719 never bring you home. Like those, those are the fears 837 00:42:31.780 --> 00:42:34.059 I had watching all the movies and stuff when I 838 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:35.980 was a kid, but that that's not my truth though. 839 00:42:36.139 --> 00:42:37.699 You know, what's your experience with that? 840 00:42:37.780 --> 00:42:38.099 Yeah. 841 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.280 Um, well for all my research that I've done with, 842 00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:49.260 like extraterrestrial contact really, um, abduction, um, doesn't really play, 843 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.179 play into it at all on authentic on what I 844 00:42:52.219 --> 00:42:56.840 consider authentic extraterrestrial contact. So what I would consider an 845 00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:06.150 authentic extraterrestrial contact would be, um, uh, peaceful initiation, um, between, um, 846 00:43:06.369 --> 00:43:11.039 an extraterrestrial race and yourself, um, And then a contact 847 00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:16.150 would be made most likely through like spiritual means telepathy 848 00:43:16.190 --> 00:43:19.650 or a dream. And so you're not actually I don't 849 00:43:20.309 --> 00:43:23.969 for my research, there's very rarely you actually physically touch 850 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:25.820 another extraterrestrial. 851 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:26.659 You know what I'm saying? 852 00:43:26.780 --> 00:43:31.559 So maybe the your spirit or your astral body interacts 853 00:43:31.579 --> 00:43:35.650 with them, but like your physical body. It's very rarely 854

00:43:35.690 --> 00:43:38.110 have I research is actually like being worked on. 855 00:43:38.260 --> 00:43:38.989 You know what I'm saying? 856 00:43:39.070 --> 00:43:44.780 Like there's actual like prods and devices going inside of you. 857 00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:50.000 Like I very rarely have read about authentic technology. extraterrestrial 858 00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.710 experiences like that. And what makes me believe it even 859 00:43:53.789 --> 00:43:57.130 more is that people who I consider to have extra true, 860 00:43:57.250 --> 00:44:01.719 authentic extraterrestrial experiences, talk about conversations that they have with 861 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.820 extraterrestrials and that other extraterrestrials say, no, that stuff doesn't 862 00:44:06.860 --> 00:44:08.679 happen from other to extraterrestrials. 863 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:10.599 Humans are doing that to themselves. 864 00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:11.099 I believe it. 865 00:44:11.300 --> 00:44:15.360 So that, that makes me believe that, that, I'm more 866 00:44:15.409 --> 00:44:19.909 inclined to believe that than whatever's on TV saying that's 867 00:44:19.929 --> 00:44:22.889 happening to, you know what I'm saying? Like for me, 868 00:44:23.670 --> 00:44:26.449 and this is just strictly across the board is I 869 00:44:26.489 --> 00:44:28.829 pay attention a lot more to people who are actually 870 00:44:28.929 --> 00:44:32.139 experiencing the events than to somebody who's telling me about 871 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:32.960 the events themselves. 872 00:44:32.980 --> 00:44:33.719 Yeah, definitely. 873 00:44:34.190 --> 00:44:36.610 You know, so like, I instantly want to go to 874 00:44:36.650 --> 00:44:38.809 the source of where it's happening. And I want to 875 00:44:38.849 --> 00:44:40.590 find out about the information from there. I don't want 876 00:44:40.630 --> 00:44:42.929 to find out about somebody who's written, who's read a 877 00:44:42.989 --> 00:44:45.019 report on it and then wants to tell me about 878 00:44:45.059 --> 00:44:45.880 what actually happened. 879 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:46.489 Fire in the sky. 880 00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:47.179 You know what I'm saying? 881 00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:47.460 So. 882 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:51.079 I mean, somebody, somebody's mentioned it in the comment section, 883 00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.639 Travis Walton, fire in the sky, which was probably the 884 00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.619 movie that done the worst damage on me about being 885 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.880 afraid of aliens as a kid or trying to stargaze 886 00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:03.329 or whatever, because I seen that movie. But then we 887 00:45:03.389 --> 00:45:06.820 see what Travis Walton's doing now. He sold them his 888 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.099 story and then they totally took it and changed it 889 00:45:10.179 --> 00:45:12.920 and reworded it and made it into a horror movie. 890 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.639 When he's like, I think the reason they picked

me 891 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.190 up on that craft or whatever was because I got 892 00:45:19.230 --> 00:45:22.309 too close to the plasma ship and the energy hit 893 00:45:22.349 --> 00:45:25.429 me when it took off and it hurt me. They 894 00:45:25.469 --> 00:45:27.329 picked me up to do work on my body. So 895 00:45:27.389 --> 00:45:30.440 Travis Walton's out there now, what, 20 something years, 25 896 00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.150 years later, doing the UFO circuit, like bringing a different 897 00:45:35.210 --> 00:45:39.309 scenario that, that say, no, I wasn't abducted. Hollywood took it, 898 00:45:39.730 --> 00:45:42.469 paid me money. And now I'm trying to undo what 899 00:45:42.510 --> 00:45:45.349 they did. Um, another person, Allie is a good friend 900 00:45:45.389 --> 00:45:48.150 of mine. She's talking about the fourth kind movie is 901 00:45:48.210 --> 00:45:51.690 pretty profound. I'll talk about that when that movie came out, 902 00:45:51.750 --> 00:45:55.710 when I was having encounters and I've seen, you know, 903 00:45:55.849 --> 00:45:58.369 I seen the previews and stuff. And I, so I 904 00:45:58.409 --> 00:46:00.929 made sure that I didn't watch that movie because I 905 00:46:01.010 --> 00:46:03.889 knew what it was about. Here's the thing, too. We're 906 00:46:03.929 --> 00:46:07.929 talking about what's going on with the abduction scenario. There's 907 00:46:08.050 --> 00:46:09.750 two things I just want to interject and we can 908 00:46:09.769 --> 00:46:13.409 go deep into either one. But we have the MyLab 909 00:46:13.469 --> 00:46:21.019 experiences where this the military initiated abductions where the military 910 00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:25.199 have craft and they're messing with people to push fear 911 00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:29.320 and hysteria within ufology so that when you see a craft, 912 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.469 you won't pull out your cell phone and try to 913 00:46:31.860 --> 00:46:34.300 make lights at it and see if it'll connect with you. 914 00:46:34.539 --> 00:46:36.719 They want you to be scared and freak out. They 915 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.860 put out the propaganda, the movies and all that stuff. 916 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.199 The my lab thing is a big deal because some 917 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.860 of those people who do report the abduction scenario, they 918 00:46:45.969 --> 00:46:50.070 see people in military garb on the ships or whatever. 919 00:46:50.409 --> 00:46:52.650 They see a man in a corner watching who's an 920 00:46:52.909 --> 00:46:56.110 admiral in the freaking army watching this stuff happen with 921 00:46:56.130 --> 00:46:59.679 these little beings or people in suits, whatever. That's one 922 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.670 thing that throws a wrench in the system. Another thing 923 00:47:02.769 --> 00:47:07.130 is people are saying aliens are demons. That's the Christian 924 00:47:07.170 --> 00:47:11.650 perception across the board. Mostly is that aliens are flying 925

00:47:11.730 --> 00:47:16.809 around and they're demons. Demons are demons. Aliens are not demons. 926 00:47:16.969 --> 00:47:20.929 Demons are demons. So people are waking up having legit 927 00:47:21.070 --> 00:47:25.309 ghost encounters, demonic encounters. They're waking up and demons are 928 00:47:25.329 --> 00:47:28.969 in their bedroom. There's the people, little beings on your chest. 929 00:47:29.010 --> 00:47:31.389 There's like the old hag syndrome, the man with the 930 00:47:31.429 --> 00:47:33.409 top hat. That's all of the stuff that people are 931 00:47:33.469 --> 00:47:37.019 having coming out of the dream state, having these demonic 932 00:47:37.059 --> 00:47:41.239 encounters and calling it alien abductions and, and things like that. 933 00:47:41.300 --> 00:47:43.099 Or they look like an alien or it looked like 934 00:47:43.139 --> 00:47:46.059 a gray or whatever. That's a demonic encounter. Like I 935 00:47:46.099 --> 00:47:49.139 really believe people are having those encounters, but I don't 936 00:47:49.179 --> 00:47:52.550 think those are what we would call extraterrestrial beings showing 937 00:47:52.610 --> 00:47:54.070 up in your room and messing with you in the 938 00:47:54.110 --> 00:47:54.750 middle of the night. 939 00:47:55.630 --> 00:47:55.889 Yeah. 940 00:47:56.190 --> 00:47:56.489 Yeah. 941 00:47:56.510 --> 00:47:56.869 I will. 942 00:47:57.050 --> 00:48:00.269 Um, one of the things too, um, you know, just 943 00:48:00.309 --> 00:48:03.369 came out last year was the, the, to the stars Academy. 944 00:48:04.130 --> 00:48:07.010 And I think, um, for me, you know, when it 945 00:48:07.030 --> 00:48:10.570 first came out, I was really excited and I was hopeful. Um, 946 00:48:10.670 --> 00:48:13.300 but the more, um, I looked into it and the, 947 00:48:13.789 --> 00:48:17.050 you know, the more that I just kept, um, finding 948 00:48:17.110 --> 00:48:20.219 out about the information that I, uh, I I'm worried 949 00:48:20.489 --> 00:48:24.179 about it because of the fact that what I'm hearing 950 00:48:24.260 --> 00:48:27.960 is that they're perceiving extraterrestrials as a threat. 951 00:48:28.219 --> 00:48:34.619 Yeah. And, Um, they're basically, um, going towards that direction. 952 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:39.030 Um, it seems like is that they're identifying extraterrestrials as 953 00:48:39.090 --> 00:48:43.289 a threat and, you know, on the surface, you know, 954 00:48:43.309 --> 00:48:45.329 that might not worry somebody, but if you would study 955 00:48:45.369 --> 00:48:48.789 Steven Greer and what he was talking about in the, um, 956 00:48:49.349 --> 00:48:53.679 you know, the false flag events, um, for extraterrestrials in 957 00:48:54.059 --> 00:48:57.800 that the government basically, or that there's a, uh, There's 958 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:02.239 a section trying to get the mainstream media to think 959 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.079 that extraterrestrials would be a threat and that we would 960 00:49:05.099

--> 00:49:09.090 have to essentially get the military out into space, you know, 961 00:49:09.179 --> 00:49:10.429 to to deal with them. 962 00:49:11.170 --> 00:49:14.849 So after reading that from Stephen Greer, you. 963 00:49:14.789 --> 00:49:17.010 Know, even before all the To The Stars came out, 964 00:49:18.130 --> 00:49:20.429 once the To The Stars went in that direction, of 965 00:49:20.510 --> 00:49:24.420 identifying threats, the UFOs, and I, you know, I started 966 00:49:24.460 --> 00:49:27.599 to get worried about, about is, is he leading in 967 00:49:27.659 --> 00:49:30.460 that direction right into the false flag thing that Stephen 968 00:49:30.500 --> 00:49:31.280 Greer is talking about? 969 00:49:32.050 --> 00:49:33.670 And it seems to me that he is. 970 00:49:33.769 --> 00:49:36.110 But I'm, I'm just kind of waiting right now to 971 00:49:36.210 --> 00:49:38.170 see where, where that's going to end up. 972 00:49:38.250 --> 00:49:41.130 And you're Tom, but that's kind of right on the 973 00:49:41.150 --> 00:49:42.650 lines of it. 974 00:49:43.210 --> 00:49:49.010 And the information that he's releasing, he's releasing nonfiction books. 975 00:49:49.590 --> 00:49:52.929 So he's, he's coming out with the information in a 976 00:49:53.030 --> 00:49:57.940 different approach. So he's, he's kind of giving people a 977 00:49:58.019 --> 00:49:59.099 different perspective of it. 978 00:49:59.179 --> 00:50:01.559 So, I don't know. We'll wait and see. But yes, 979 00:50:01.699 --> 00:50:03.320 it's muddying the waters a little bit. 980 00:50:04.699 --> 00:50:08.719 Yeah, it really is. Like I said, we're all Blink-182 fans. 981 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:10.820 When I seen that he was coming out, I've sent 982 00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:13.639 him several emails about either coming on the show or 983 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:16.670 working with them at the beginning. And then I'm seeing 984 00:50:16.690 --> 00:50:18.489 what they're bringing out now. It's like, oh, this is 985 00:50:18.530 --> 00:50:20.489 something totally different. They made it seem like it was 986 00:50:20.530 --> 00:50:23.309 going to be something beautiful. And let's make contact. And 987 00:50:23.329 --> 00:50:25.289 this is how you pack your ships and all of 988 00:50:25.309 --> 00:50:26.550 the first cool stuff, you know. 989 00:50:27.130 --> 00:50:28.969 One of the first things that I got really excited 990 00:50:29.030 --> 00:50:32.519 about was they were talking about a platform for, um, 991 00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:36.199 for UFO identifications in your area. So you would basically 992 00:50:36.260 --> 00:50:39.079 log on and be able to see, you know, Oh, 993 00:50:39.139 --> 00:50:42.199 somebody just saw UFO and you get like a notification 994 00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:44.170 on your email and be like, bam, three miles from 995 00:50:44.190 --> 00:50:48.130 where you're at. Somebody just saw it. But like you 996 00:50:48.170 --> 00:50:50.510 can link up with people, you know,

like that's one 997 00:50:50.530 --> 00:50:54.570 thing that, um, uh the et contact uh ce5 that 998 00:50:54.610 --> 00:50:56.820 steven greer had is he had a little network um 999 00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.260 website where you can go on and see in your 1000 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.500 area people who have the app and you can kind 1001 00:51:01.539 --> 00:51:03.500 of link up and see their emails and that's kind 1002 00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:06.800 of how i got the ce5 and remote viewing group 1003 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.500 together i went on the website and just in my 1004 00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:11.820 area hit up about 50 people and said hey guys 1005 00:51:11.860 --> 00:51:14.610 i'm gonna start up this remote viewing group, anybody interested, 1006 00:51:14.750 --> 00:51:17.789 like within 24 hours, like 30 people hit me back 1007 00:51:18.030 --> 00:51:19.420 and we're like, yeah, we're, let's do it. 1008 00:51:19.469 --> 00:51:19.769 You know? 1009 00:51:19.849 --> 00:51:23.050 So, um, you know, it's just kind of getting out 1010 00:51:23.090 --> 00:51:27.199 there and getting together with people who are, who are like-minded, um, 1011 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.380 and interested in what you're doing and getting the right 1012 00:51:29.420 --> 00:51:30.420 information around. 1013 00:51:31.059 --> 00:51:33.619 Let me ask you something about this, man. This is something, uh, 1014 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:36.260 and I don't know if you have much, I'm sure 1015 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:38.800 you've come across it. I get it. I get it 1016 00:51:38.820 --> 00:51:44.050 like crazy. Um, mental illness. with some of the stuff 1017 00:51:44.070 --> 00:51:46.360 that we're talking about like some of the stuff we're 1018 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.300 talking about is far out there we're talking about voices 1019 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:53.219 speaking to you telepathically the voice of god the voice 1020 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.360 of the holy spirit the voice of angels the voice 1021 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:57.909 of aliens being able to be in tune with other 1022 00:51:57.949 --> 00:52:04.230 beings other realms we're talking about vortexes um religion and 1023 00:52:04.250 --> 00:52:07.150 i'm going to preface this because like this is a, 1024 00:52:07.409 --> 00:52:10.429 the spirituality is a breathing ground, I think, for a 1025 00:52:10.469 --> 00:52:12.849 lot of people like that to thrive, who are, who 1026 00:52:12.929 --> 00:52:16.500 have mental illness, but religion is as well, because all 1027 00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:18.920 of these things, we're all saying the same thing, all 1028 00:52:18.940 --> 00:52:23.099 of these religions, you're talking about Islam, Christianity, spirituality, all 1029 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.420 of it creates this place where a lot of people 1030 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:27.519 make it up as they go, or they're really having 1031 00:52:27.539 --> 00:52:31.829 some weird stuff going in their head, or they're imagining it, 1032 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.420 or whatever, we're talking about imagining it, there's a power 1033 00:52:34.460 --> 00:52:37.280 in it, and just a entertaining thoughts or whatever i 1034 00:52:38.099 --> 00:52:42.360 i'll get like an overwhelming amount of messages and it's 1035 00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.480 discouraged it's very discouraging i know i i'm like a 1036 00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:48.429 symbol of hope for these people somebody who understands them 1037 00:52:48.510 --> 00:52:52.170 because we're talking about far out stuff it gets overwhelming 1038 00:52:52.210 --> 00:52:55.829 man like i get it hasn't stopped like it's getting 1039 00:52:55.849 --> 00:53:00.329 worse like you know people they're like yeah i talked 1040 00:53:00.349 --> 00:53:02.800 to aliens too bro you know and just but they're 1041 00:53:02.940 --> 00:53:05.900 they Most of these people don't make sense. They can 1042 00:53:05.940 --> 00:53:12.000 hardly formulate sentences. They talk about weird. You don't know 1043 00:53:12.019 --> 00:53:14.320 if they're telling the truth. You hope that they are. 1044 00:53:14.380 --> 00:53:17.159 You hope that they're not just making it up or whatever. 1045 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:20.139 It's very hard, man. Have you and I get a 1046 00:53:20.179 --> 00:53:23.340 lot of it, like a lot. It's getting very weird 1047 00:53:23.590 --> 00:53:26.809 at this point. And I almost saw I contemplated just 1048 00:53:27.309 --> 00:53:29.849 getting off of social media. You know what I'm saying? 1049 00:53:29.869 --> 00:53:32.710 Because the majority of my inboxes are from people who are. 1050 00:53:33.750 --> 00:53:37.449 who are mentally ill and spirituality is a breeding ground 1051 00:53:37.489 --> 00:53:40.789 and a place that's okay for it. Hey, I'm fine here. Yeah, 1052 00:53:40.869 --> 00:53:43.150 I was a king in Egypt, you know, and like, well, 1053 00:53:43.170 --> 00:53:45.510 you really, you know, a lot of this crazy stuff 1054 00:53:45.550 --> 00:53:47.489 and they believe it. So we were talking about earlier 1055 00:53:47.570 --> 00:53:49.639 in their mind, they really were. So they're going to 1056 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:54.260 walk around looking at life and like they were a 1057 00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.960 king from Egypt and all kind of crazy. That's just 1058 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.719 tip of the iceberg. My mother reincarnated contacting me through 1059 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.829 Facebook Messenger, all kind of weird stuff. people thinking that 1060 00:54:03.869 --> 00:54:06.530 they're my wife, like that they're supposed to be my wife. 1061 00:54:06.550 --> 00:54:08.670 The Illuminati told them that they were to marry me 1062 00:54:09.110 --> 00:54:10.989 and I got married to the wrong woman, like a 1063 00:54:11.070 --> 00:54:13.610 lot of weird stuff. And I'm not okay with it, man. 1064 00:54:13.670 --> 00:54:16.190 I don't want to promote it either. Like I don't want, 1065 00:54:16.349 -->

00:54:18.429 I know my stuff is a breeding ground for that. 1066 00:54:19.190 --> 00:54:22.289 They feel comfortable talking to me. I want to give 1067 00:54:22.329 --> 00:54:24.969 some type of help and healing, whether it's through relationship 1068 00:54:25.469 --> 00:54:28.639 with God. I believe that's something that's powerful for somebody 1069 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.599 to receive healing. But to get the proper help that 1070 00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:35.949 they need, have you have you ran into anybody, um, 1071 00:54:36.409 --> 00:54:38.170 who kind of makes it up as they go, or 1072 00:54:38.210 --> 00:54:39.809 you kind of feel like they may be off their 1073 00:54:39.869 --> 00:54:42.769 rock or a little bit, it's going to come. If 1074 00:54:42.809 --> 00:54:44.630 you continue to grow, it's definitely going to come. Have 1075 00:54:44.650 --> 00:54:46.010 you experienced anything like that yet? 1076 00:54:47.449 --> 00:54:51.869 Well, we, um, they've got a couple of groups, um, 1077 00:54:52.590 --> 00:54:56.010 at the research center. That's like a psychic psychic experience 1078 00:54:56.050 --> 00:54:59.599 group where people can come and, you know, talk about 1079 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:04.019 their experiences and really open up, um, About it. 1080 00:55:04.809 --> 00:55:07.849 And there's definitely been some interesting stories. 1081 00:55:08.449 --> 00:55:11.650 And, you know, I just try and stay really like 1082 00:55:11.690 --> 00:55:15.670 grounded in what what I know and what the information 1083 00:55:15.710 --> 00:55:18.570 that I have. And for me, it always just comes 1084 00:55:18.650 --> 00:55:22.489 back to, you know, do you have evidence or can 1085 00:55:22.530 --> 00:55:25.130 I experience it myself? You know, like those are the 1086 00:55:25.170 --> 00:55:27.800 two things that I'm, if you're telling me about all 1087 00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.440 this stuff, it really doesn't help me at all unless 1088 00:55:30.460 --> 00:55:34.960 you have evidence or I can experience it myself. I mean, 1089 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.639 you can tell me all you want, but I, I 1090 00:55:37.699 --> 00:55:40.530 can't really believe it or I can't really even come 1091 00:55:40.610 --> 00:55:46.230 to think about, you know, it happening. 1092 00:55:44.449 --> 00:55:46.170 Unless one of those two things are going to happen. 1093 00:55:46.250 --> 00:55:46.690 So yeah. 1094 00:55:47.550 --> 00:55:52.230 And, you know, you mentioned religion and my wife's very Christian. 1095 00:55:52.829 --> 00:55:55.690 And so we have a lot of conversations and I 1096 00:55:55.710 --> 00:56:00.059 go to church. just to get that perspective of that, too. 1097 00:56:00.139 --> 00:56:03.039 And it's something that we we deal with and that 1098 00:56:03.099 --> 00:56:06.380 we converse about all the time because. 1099 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:07.360 She's interested in what I'm doing. 1100 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:12.769 And there's things about Christianity that I'm interested in, specifically 1101 00:56:12.989 --> 00:56:15.929 Jesus and just the life of Jesus I'm interested in. 1102 00:56:16.369 --> 00:56:19.170 But there's you know, I think that with. 1103 00:56:19.489 --> 00:56:21.929 When you talk about like mental illness and when people 1104 00:56:22.530 --> 00:56:26.429 seem a little bit off, um, is that maybe, um, 1105 00:56:27.050 --> 00:56:30.969 they just, they just don't have, um, the, the right 1106 00:56:31.090 --> 00:56:34.750 upbringing that has gotten them to the, the mental stability, um, 1107 00:56:34.789 --> 00:56:37.769 that they need in this society. So they can't really 1108 00:56:37.829 --> 00:56:40.050 deal with all this information being thrown at them and 1109 00:56:40.070 --> 00:56:42.650 they just kind of latch on to something that, that 1110 00:56:42.730 --> 00:56:45.210 might not be real, but to them, it, it, it 1111 00:56:45.369 --> 00:56:48.849 feels good and it makes sense to them. So they 1112 00:56:48.889 --> 00:56:51.929 just kind of just go with it. And sometimes you 1113 00:56:51.949 --> 00:56:53.070 make a decision and you're kind of. 1114 00:56:53.070 --> 00:56:53.559 Stuck with it. 1115 00:56:54.550 --> 00:56:57.889 So some people made a certain vote on their politician 1116 00:56:57.929 --> 00:56:59.679 and they're stuck with it and they kind of just 1117 00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.239 have to ride out with who they got, who they did. 1118 00:57:02.340 --> 00:57:06.539 So that's kind of like, you know, with some of 1119 00:57:06.579 --> 00:57:10.880 the people who might just say outlandish things and outrageous things, 1120 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:13.420 you know, you just kind of have to take take 1121 00:57:13.460 --> 00:57:15.960 it with for what it is and until they can actually, 1122 00:57:15.980 --> 00:57:18.099 you know, bring to the table, any kind of evidence 1123 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.059 or something that they can, they can prove. 1124 00:57:20.619 --> 00:57:23.630 I think so too. I think, you know what I'm saying? 1125 00:57:23.670 --> 00:57:26.570 My heart goes out to the children or the people 1126 00:57:26.610 --> 00:57:29.210 who are young kids, man, like myself, you know, and 1127 00:57:29.250 --> 00:57:31.309 I just see myself in a lot of people as 1128 00:57:31.349 --> 00:57:33.099 far as mental illness. I had a, definitely had a, 1129 00:57:33.269 --> 00:57:38.840 had an overactive imagination, but who, who have, who are 1130 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.599 receiving energies, who are impressionable, who are seeing things like 1131 00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.750 little kids, man. And if they're vocal about it, like 1132 00:57:45.769 --> 00:57:48.070 they have a drug for that. They have Ritalin. They have, 1133 00:57:48.170 --> 00:57:50.150 whether we're talking about star seeds or whatever, there's a 1134 00:57:50.190 --> 00:57:53.289 lot of stuff going on with the kids who are, 1135 00:57:53.369 --> 00:57:56.190 who are

being born here. And, um, and they have, 1136 00:57:56.309 --> 00:57:59.710 they have pills and stuff that silence the voices or 1137 00:57:59.789 --> 00:58:03.719 silence the alien contact or connected with God or seeing 1138 00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.199 angels or whatever, or the supernatural abilities, you know what 1139 00:58:06.219 --> 00:58:08.119 I'm saying? Or the weird thoughts that they're getting, um, 1140 00:58:08.909 --> 00:58:11.590 So my heart goes out to a lot of those 1141 00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:15.260 people because they're putting them on medications and stuff of 1142 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.840 something in ancient culture. They would prepare them for life 1143 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:24.510 or they would say, OK, this person has ancestors contacting them. 1144 00:58:24.570 --> 00:58:26.849 This child, let's train them up in a way that 1145 00:58:26.889 --> 00:58:29.489 they can understand it, not be overwhelmed and be OK 1146 00:58:29.510 --> 00:58:32.489 versus putting them on Ritalin or some type of mind 1147 00:58:32.550 --> 00:58:34.750 altering drug that will just turn them into a zombie. 1148 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.800 So my heart goes out to the children that are 1149 00:58:37.820 --> 00:58:39.920 doing that. that and i think i'm dealing with a 1150 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.039 lot of those kids now who are adults you know 1151 00:58:43.059 --> 00:58:45.599 what i'm saying who have been on most of them 1152 00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:50.079 tell me hey i'm i'm uh i'm on medication or 1153 00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:52.599 i'm not taking my prescribed medication what would you say 1154 00:58:52.659 --> 00:58:55.889 and it's like i'm not here to give doctor advice 1155 00:58:55.929 --> 00:58:58.590 or medical advice or whatever but you know they they 1156 00:58:58.610 --> 00:59:01.630 look at you as someone that they can talk to 1157 00:59:01.730 --> 00:59:05.239 and But it's not just spirituality. It would be okay 1158 00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.210 just to say that you know in the spiritual realm 1159 00:59:07.230 --> 00:59:09.559 you guys you were creating a bed for these people 1160 00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:12.099 and a safe environment for them to thrive or whatever 1161 00:59:12.139 --> 00:59:14.679 but trust me they're in religion too man they're i 1162 00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:16.039 mean these are the type of people who will strap 1163 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:18.760 a bomb to themselves and run into a building you 1164 00:59:18.780 --> 00:59:20.820 know what i'm saying because they believe that they're like 1165 00:59:21.110 --> 00:59:24.309 mentally ill to do that you know those same type 1166 00:59:24.369 --> 00:59:27.530 of a breeding ground goat can go on anywhere man 1167 00:59:27.570 --> 00:59:29.570 but that's why i try like at the end of 1168 00:59:29.610 --> 00:59:32.909 the day talk about stuff, whether it is a CE5 contact, 1169 00:59:32.949 --> 00:59:36.590 there's things like in that, that's, that helps me be 1170 00:59:36.630 --> 00:59:39.289 a better person. My belief in the supernatural, my belief 1171 00:59:39.329 --> 00:59:43.409 in the Bible of angelic realm, that there's a angelic assistance, 1172 00:59:43.469 --> 00:59:45.610 that there's a God out there who cares about me. 1173 00:59:45.670 --> 00:59:48.429 Like all of this stuff that we're talking about, spirituality 1174 00:59:48.590 --> 00:59:52.039 proves the Bible. The Bible is full of spiritual stories 1175 00:59:52.099 --> 00:59:55.650 and spiritual abilities that Jesus, the disciples, and those who 1176 00:59:55.730 --> 00:59:58.630 followed that teaching will walk in. And what we're talking about, 1177 00:59:58.670 --> 01:00:02.289 remote viewing by location, that's all in there. Healing, faith, 1178 01:00:03.030 --> 01:00:06.050 angelic contact, being led by a voice in the wilderness 1179 01:00:06.130 --> 01:00:08.389 and seeing starships, all of this stuff is in there. 1180 01:00:08.889 --> 01:00:11.650 So it doesn't disprove the Bible for me. For me, 1181 01:00:11.789 --> 01:00:13.909 it reiterates and say, you know what? Like, okay, there's 1182 01:00:13.929 --> 01:00:17.320 something to this, not just this, but I think also 1183 01:00:17.380 --> 01:00:19.760 the other books that have similar stories in them, right? 1184 01:00:19.820 --> 01:00:22.800 Or saying similar things. So at the end of the day, 1185 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:26.610 it does come down to like, what, what are we doing? 1186 01:00:26.630 --> 01:00:29.090 Are we just entertaining people? Are we lying to people? 1187 01:00:29.429 --> 01:00:31.610 Are we tickling people's ears? Or do we have some 1188 01:00:31.690 --> 01:00:34.630 substance to what we're talking about? Like, how can this 1189 01:00:34.750 --> 01:00:37.570 better somebody? How can it help them? And I approach 1190 01:00:37.610 --> 01:00:39.789 it from a place that I, how it's helped me 1191 01:00:40.289 --> 01:00:43.090 and just simply be open and honest with that story, 1192 01:00:43.369 --> 01:00:46.130 which is your story. That's your truth. How it's helped you. 1193 01:00:46.630 --> 01:00:48.889 And then therefore we, I think we, you know, create 1194 01:00:49.289 --> 01:00:52.829 a place where people can thrive and, and not feel marginalized, 1195 01:00:52.889 --> 01:00:55.699 not feel like they're crazy in many aspects, whatever, but 1196 01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.800 how to give some people a hope for this life 1197 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.559 and how to get through them, you know, how to cope. 1198 01:01:02.099 --> 01:01:04.619 And I'm going through that with my, with my kids. 1199 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.780 Now I've got a five-year-old son and a three-year-old daughter. 1200 01:01:07.820 --> 01:01:10.570 So I'm raising them, you know, um. 1201 01:01:11.570 --> 01:01:14.989 Waking up and asking about what they're dreaming about and, 1202 01:01:15.210 --> 01:01:18.670 you know, talking about psychic phenomenon and explaining to them

1203 01:01:18.710 --> 01:01:21.730 what astral projection is so they can understand, you know, 1204 01:01:21.769 --> 01:01:23.389 trying to get them. That's what I'd love to do. 1205 01:01:23.670 --> 01:01:25.469 I'm actually trying to document right now. I'm trying to 1206 01:01:25.510 --> 01:01:28.469 teach my daughter how to go through astral projection. So, 1207 01:01:28.889 --> 01:01:32.550 you know, I would have, um jazz just something really 1208 01:01:32.590 --> 01:01:34.809 cool that i thought of to do is is you 1209 01:01:34.829 --> 01:01:37.349 take two of two of her dolls so one of 1210 01:01:37.429 --> 01:01:40.780 she's got this like life-size elsa doll whatever so you 1211 01:01:40.820 --> 01:01:42.940 lay her down lay down the elsa doll on the 1212 01:01:42.980 --> 01:01:45.480 bed and then you have a mini elsa doll so 1213 01:01:45.500 --> 01:01:47.800 you make like the elsa doll the big one's going 1214 01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:49.900 to sleep you close her eyes and then you start 1215 01:01:49.940 --> 01:01:52.570 kind of like the vibrational stage And then you made 1216 01:01:52.610 --> 01:01:55.320 the little Elsa doll pops out of the little one 1217 01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:57.639 and you have her fly around the room and like, 1218 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:00.480 she's a, her astral body's flying around and you make 1219 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:03.719 sure that, uh, my daughter made sure that my daughter knows. 1220 01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:05.510 That the big Elsa is still sleeping. 1221 01:02:05.869 --> 01:02:09.070 All the little Elsa's are spirit flying around and, fly 1222 01:02:09.150 --> 01:02:11.630 over to her brother's room and see what her brother's doing. 1223 01:02:12.070 --> 01:02:14.420 And then we'll fly back to her body, go right 1224 01:02:14.460 --> 01:02:16.800 back in her body. And the big Elsa wakes up 1225 01:02:17.019 --> 01:02:20.559 and goes on with her day. And so if you 1226 01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:24.030 can go through exercises with that, with kids and have 1227 01:02:24.070 --> 01:02:27.590 them understand like spirituality and, like if you have a 1228 01:02:27.630 --> 01:02:30.369 deeper conversation, like ask them about death, you know, what 1229 01:02:30.389 --> 01:02:32.010 do they think happens when they die? 1230 01:02:32.090 --> 01:02:33.800 When you die? Like, what do they really think? 1231 01:02:34.110 --> 01:02:35.599 And then talk with them about it, you know, at 1232 01:02:35.619 --> 01:02:38.900 an early age, you know, don't wait until like 16 1233 01:02:38.900 --> 01:02:41.139 to talk about it, you know, or, you know, or, 1234 01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:43.400 or don't wait to them to come home and ask 1235 01:02:43.460 --> 01:02:45.829 about it from their friends because their friends saw a 1236 01:02:45.829 --> 01:02:47.670 TV show that, you know what I'm saying? 1237 01:02:47.710 --> 01:02:50.150 Like, You don't teach them the world. 1238 01:02:50.989 --> 01:02:51.409 Exactly. 1239 01:02:51.510 --> 01:02:51.949 Exactly. 1240 01:02:52.070 --> 01:02:55.590 So that's, and that's what I'm learning right now is, is, 1241 01:02:55.710 --> 01:02:58.010 is that have to, you have to be on the 1242 01:02:58.050 --> 01:03:00.550 forefront with your kids and really have to teach them 1243 01:03:01.090 --> 01:03:02.940 or they're going to turn in, they're going to turn 1244 01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.219 into something that you don't want them to. 1245 01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:07.119 They're going to be a product of the society or 1246 01:03:07.460 --> 01:03:09.619 a product of the environment, which in a lot of 1247 01:03:09.659 --> 01:03:11.460 cases right now, I don't agree with a lot of 1248 01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:13.929 stuff going on out there, man, on TV and stuff. 1249 01:03:13.969 --> 01:03:16.559 But if you don't, if you're not, On the offense, 1250 01:03:16.619 --> 01:03:19.820 you know, you're going to be on the defense years later. Man, 1251 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:21.179 I remember when I was a kid, I was just 1252 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:23.559 thinking about this probably yesterday. It's funny you mentioned death 1253 01:03:23.579 --> 01:03:26.579 or whatever, but I was just thinking about it like yesterday, 1254 01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:29.590 the first time that we had a babysitter who was 1255 01:03:29.630 --> 01:03:32.989 watching us. And it was just a friend of the family, 1256 01:03:33.010 --> 01:03:35.269 an older guy. He was watching me and my sister. 1257 01:03:35.329 --> 01:03:38.949 We had to be like five or five, six. We 1258 01:03:38.969 --> 01:03:41.909 was really young. And we was watching I Love Lucy. 1259 01:03:43.010 --> 01:03:44.800 And we was watching it, and it was in black 1260 01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:48.280 and white on TV. And I'm listening about, where's she at? 1261 01:03:48.340 --> 01:03:50.119 Are there going to be new shows or something? He said, no, 1262 01:03:50.139 --> 01:03:53.380 she's dead. I said, what? How did she die? Oh, 1263 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.239 she had a heart attack or something. I was like, oh, 1264 01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:58.960 that sucks. He told us about death and said, yeah, 1265 01:03:59.019 --> 01:04:01.000 everybody has to die one day. I was like, what? 1266 01:04:01.579 --> 01:04:04.389 Like this concept of you're just this little innocent kid. 1267 01:04:04.409 --> 01:04:06.269 Everybody dies one day. 1268 01:04:06.349 --> 01:04:06.550 What? 1269 01:04:07.269 --> 01:04:07.769 You're going to die? 1270 01:04:07.789 --> 01:04:10.050 We're not going to exist anymore? What happens when you die? 1271 01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:12.929 don't know nobody knows you just don't exist it's just 1272 01:04:12.969 --> 01:04:17.829 black it's like we was like panicking like hyperventilating just 1273 01:04:18.050 --> 01:04:23.969 when a little child finally tries to you know think 1274 01:04:24.010 --> 01:04:26.659 about death for the first time i'm a little playful 1275 01:04:26.719 -->

01:04:29.960 kid enjoying life and then come to the notion that 1276 01:04:30.019 --> 01:04:31.599 it's going to come to an end one day it 1277 01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.920 was scary to panic yeah crying screaming almost like it 1278 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.820 was insane but you know, so therefore it's good to 1279 01:04:38.860 --> 01:04:41.099 have this discussion because we can talk to other people 1280 01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:44.119 besides the babysitter about what happens. 1281 01:04:43.820 --> 01:04:44.940 When we die, you know? 1282 01:04:45.099 --> 01:04:49.900 And like religion, you know, religion, like with, with my 1283 01:04:49.940 --> 01:04:52.460 kids and what I see is, is they'll tell you, 1284 01:04:52.579 --> 01:04:55.139 but they won't explain it. You know, like they'll tell 1285 01:04:55.179 --> 01:04:58.260 you when you die, you go to heaven. But, you know, 1286 01:04:58.300 --> 01:05:00.250 like if I asked my kid, what happens when you die? 1287 01:05:00.309 --> 01:05:02.369 He'll say you go to heaven, but well, and then 1288 01:05:02.389 --> 01:05:04.630 I'll say, what does that mean? He doesn't know what 1289 01:05:04.670 --> 01:05:08.489 that means, you know? So I think that, if, if 1290 01:05:08.610 --> 01:05:12.920 things were explained a little bit better, um, instead of 1291 01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:16.760 just giving them something to say, like automated response, like 1292 01:05:16.780 --> 01:05:21.000 they don't understand exactly what happens at death at this point. 1293 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:23.159 So you kind of have to explain it like at 1294 01:05:23.179 --> 01:05:26.210 an easier, you know, simpler way so that they can, 1295 01:05:26.230 --> 01:05:28.869 but that's, that's just something that. 1296 01:05:29.630 --> 01:05:32.530 Yeah, I know because we think that we're going to 1297 01:05:32.550 --> 01:05:35.289 look like this. We're going to look like our physical 1298 01:05:35.349 --> 01:05:37.030 selves and we're going to be with our family and 1299 01:05:37.090 --> 01:05:40.510 friends up in heaven and look the same way and stuff. 1300 01:05:40.570 --> 01:05:44.179 But from research and from people who have had near-death 1301 01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:49.739 experiences and encounters and the scriptures even say that we're 1302 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.159 going to be as the angels are, which they're fire, man. 1303 01:05:52.420 --> 01:05:56.199 They can take on the appearance of men at will, 1304 01:05:56.619 --> 01:05:57.969 but they're energy, man. 1305 01:05:57.989 --> 01:05:58.550 They're light. 1306 01:05:58.610 --> 01:06:01.280 That's what we were like light within these, these, these 1307 01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.139 earth suits, man, that we have, you know, we're essentially 1308 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:07.280 like as above. So below you would see like an 1309 01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:09.539 astronaut would go into outer space and he had to 1310 01:06:09.579 --> 01:06:11.750 put on a special suit so

he can move around. 1311 01:06:12.570 --> 01:06:14.809 And so for us to exist down here on the earth, 1312 01:06:14.869 --> 01:06:16.849 it's almost the same way. We're these light beings. We 1313 01:06:16.889 --> 01:06:19.130 have to put on a suit so that we can 1314 01:06:19.190 --> 01:06:21.460 exist here and move around as well. Maybe because of, 1315 01:06:22.010 --> 01:06:24.280 you know, the density of the air or the atmosphere 1316 01:06:24.340 --> 01:06:27.389 that we can't, exist or be, be seen here. So 1317 01:06:27.429 --> 01:06:29.670 we have to slow down time and all kinds of stuff. 1318 01:06:29.690 --> 01:06:32.329 And so here we are having these, these encounters. And 1319 01:06:32.349 --> 01:06:34.929 I believe that we're connected in, in heavenly places. I 1320 01:06:34.949 --> 01:06:37.530 think that, uh, that we are going to go back 1321 01:06:37.570 --> 01:06:39.969 to energy that we're all, but, but it's a conscious energy. 1322 01:06:39.989 --> 01:06:42.110 I think we're going to be consciously aware of, of, 1323 01:06:42.699 --> 01:06:44.739 of each other and of, of our life and of our, 1324 01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.320 our experiences and that we are going to exist out 1325 01:06:47.340 --> 01:06:50.059 there as well. Um, as above, so below it's a 1326 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:54.429 mirror image, man. I really believe it. So, um, So what, 1327 01:06:54.610 --> 01:06:56.650 so what was the first thing for you as a kid? 1328 01:06:56.690 --> 01:06:59.610 We're talking about your kids. We're talking about CE5 contact. 1329 01:06:59.630 --> 01:07:01.829 Like what was the first thing that kind of got 1330 01:07:01.849 --> 01:07:04.360 you into it as a, as a kid? Was it 1331 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:08.059 the movies? Was it supernatural encounters? Like, or was it 1332 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:09.599 something new? Did it come later in life? 1333 01:07:09.619 --> 01:07:12.280 I think it, I think it was this, um, my 1334 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:16.239 mom told me, um, a story when I was really 1335 01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:20.110 young about when my grandmother passed away and I was 1336 01:07:20.150 --> 01:07:22.789 really close with my, with my grandmother and, And I 1337 01:07:22.989 --> 01:07:25.469 might've been like five or six or six or seven 1338 01:07:25.510 --> 01:07:27.110 at the time. I'm not sure how old I was, 1339 01:07:27.170 --> 01:07:30.409 but my mom told me about the story of when 1340 01:07:30.449 --> 01:07:31.380 she passed. 1341 01:07:31.159 --> 01:07:33.440 Away the day of the funeral. 1342 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:38.059 And she said she was driving away in the car 1343 01:07:39.099 --> 01:07:43.659 and she silently to herself kind of said goodbye to 1344 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:47.880 her mom. And as she said that three streetlights went 1345 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:51.360 out as soon as she did that. And she knew 1346 01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:55.730 at that time that, That was her mom saying goodbye back. 1347 01:07:55.789 --> 01:07:58.909 So that was the very first comment or very first 1348 01:07:58.949 --> 01:08:02.409 thing that got me interested. And it's funny, ever since then, 1349 01:08:02.889 --> 01:08:06.690 I'll have streetlights go out very often. 1350 01:08:07.230 --> 01:08:09.309 And your mind goes right back to that. 1351 01:08:10.300 --> 01:08:10.570 Yeah. 1352 01:08:11.489 --> 01:08:15.480 So it's kind of something that just kind of sticks 1353 01:08:15.539 --> 01:08:19.000 with me. And just kind of the very first event 1354 01:08:19.060 --> 01:08:21.359 that just kind of has stuck with me throughout my life. 1355 01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:25.359 What about aliens and UFOs? What was the earliest stuff 1356 01:08:25.380 --> 01:08:25.659 with that? 1357 01:08:26.220 --> 01:08:28.739 Well, I mean, I've, I've researched it a lot. 1358 01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:32.279 And, um, other than the CE five, I've never really 1359 01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:35.100 had any type type of like experiences. 1360 01:08:35.750 --> 01:08:38.850 Um, I'm just trying to think of maybe any other ones, 1361 01:08:39.329 --> 01:08:40.569 any movies. 1362 01:08:40.149 --> 01:08:43.029 That gave you a preconceived notion about what they are 1363 01:08:43.130 --> 01:08:44.510 like from a kid. 1364 01:08:46.670 --> 01:08:52.319 No, I've, I've never really, uh, watched any movies that 1365 01:08:52.739 --> 01:08:55.060 have really kind of inspired me in terms of like 1366 01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:59.289 spiritual type of things. I know that like the first 1367 01:08:59.409 --> 01:09:02.600 documentary like when I first saw loose change, that kind 1368 01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:06.579 of spurred a little bit when, when somebody kind of 1369 01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:08.659 went off and did their own thing and find out 1370 01:09:08.699 --> 01:09:11.140 their own information and presented it by themselves. 1371 01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:16.260 I definitely respected that. And I would like to do 1372 01:09:16.340 --> 01:09:17.319 something like that. 1373 01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:20.739 And I think like, one of the main things that 1374 01:09:20.779 --> 01:09:24.119 I think is missing in like psychic phenomenon and why 1375 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:26.920 it hasn't been accepted in the mainstream is just like 1376 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:31.020 the marketing aspect of it. Like nobody has really come 1377 01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:36.010 in and I think there's a big opportunity, uh, for somebody, um, 1378 01:09:36.649 --> 01:09:39.189 or just people in general to just come in and, 1379 01:09:39.470 --> 01:09:43.909 and to, and to, uh, take advantage in, in financially too. 1380 01:09:44.380 --> 01:09:46.319 to come in and to just grab ahold of the whole, 1381 01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:48.569 the whole field and, and promote it. 1382 01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:51.159 And cause there's really no marketing in the actual science 1383 01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:51.409 of it. 1384 01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:55.029 So

I'm talking more of like the scientific part of 1385 01:09:55.069 --> 01:10:00.899 it because it really won't be accepted until science accepts it. 1386 01:10:01.069 --> 01:10:03.170 And right now we're kind of in this like quantum 1387 01:10:03.750 --> 01:10:07.039 type of stage where, you know, all this spiritual stuff 1388 01:10:07.100 --> 01:10:12.220 is being explained by quantum mechanics and, So all these 1389 01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:17.840 spiritual terms are in essence going to be replaced by 1390 01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.359 these scientific terms is, is what looks like it's going 1391 01:10:21.380 --> 01:10:25.920 to be happening. And it's going to be hard to 1392 01:10:26.020 --> 01:10:28.159 explain it to people with these scientific terms and all 1393 01:10:28.180 --> 01:10:31.750 this scientific stuff, but the bridge has to be made somewhere. 1394 01:10:31.770 --> 01:10:34.609 And so that's kind of where I, then you as well, 1395 01:10:34.949 --> 01:10:38.689 you're bridging it from the spirituality and, to the science 1396 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:41.659 so that everybody can watch it and understand what's going 1397 01:10:41.739 --> 01:10:43.800 on and take that next level into consciousness. 1398 01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:49.039 Yeah, I think, um, I think everything helps, man. I 1399 01:10:49.060 --> 01:10:51.500 think that, um, every, every little bit that we're doing 1400 01:10:51.739 --> 01:10:56.689 to whether it's reducing the fear, um, Travis Walden undoing 1401 01:10:56.750 --> 01:11:00.449 the work that he originally did and having a change 1402 01:11:00.470 --> 01:11:04.270 of heart and really understanding what happened every little bit helps. 1403 01:11:04.489 --> 01:11:08.090 And so the, you know, the movies, um, that are 1404 01:11:08.109 --> 01:11:11.149 coming out. Uh, I mean, there's a, you know, people 1405 01:11:11.229 --> 01:11:16.250 love spiritual movies, the psychological thrillers, the supernatural thrillers at that, um, 1406 01:11:16.850 --> 01:11:19.810 scary movies, which they're not too many good ones out anymore. 1407 01:11:19.850 --> 01:11:22.659 But when we were kids, there were tons like, so 1408 01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:24.779 there is a market for it. And there is like, 1409 01:11:25.060 --> 01:11:26.619 that was a big thing for me though. The movies 1410 01:11:26.659 --> 01:11:29.439 and stuff that got me into, you know, witchcraft and 1411 01:11:29.460 --> 01:11:32.399 the occult early on. I was, uh, the movie, the craft, 1412 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:34.800 you know what I'm saying? Like watching that movie religiously. 1413 01:11:35.850 --> 01:11:40.000 Somebody mentioned watching E.T. in the comments here. Watching E.T., 1414 01:11:40.500 --> 01:11:45.220 the earliest memories of an alien or a monster or whatever. 1415 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:49.239 And then the whole thing with the movie The Craft, 1416 01:11:49.270 --> 01:11:53.909 with the witchcraft or E.T., is that these are monsters 1417 01:11:53.949 --> 01:11:58.289 that might, or abilities or realms that might actually exist. 1418 01:11:58.989 --> 01:12:02.270 There might be aliens out there. You may be visited 1419 01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:05.439 one day by an alien somewhere. If you do the 1420 01:12:05.500 --> 01:12:07.880 right rituals and get into it, you may be able 1421 01:12:07.899 --> 01:12:10.960 to experience what those women experienced in the movie, The Craft, 1422 01:12:10.979 --> 01:12:13.949 like these type of things that that opened me up. 1423 01:12:13.979 --> 01:12:17.060 So we see the power of entertainment, the power of music. 1424 01:12:17.100 --> 01:12:19.460 I mean, we just look at a generation lost out there, 1425 01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:23.220 power of music and the dumbing down of a society 1426 01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:29.149 and the the. the glorification of drug culture now, you know, with, 1427 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:31.189 with music, you're talking about coming out of Atlanta and 1428 01:12:31.250 --> 01:12:33.750 working with some of these big names, Jeezy and stuff 1429 01:12:33.770 --> 01:12:36.430 like that. And I'm sure you've heard the analogy. You 1430 01:12:36.470 --> 01:12:40.270 had where we come from. All the rappers were bragging 1431 01:12:40.350 --> 01:12:44.710 about being drug dealers. And now the rappers are bragging 1432 01:12:44.770 --> 01:12:48.449 about being drug users. You know what I'm saying? They're 1433 01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:53.359 naming themselves after drugs, little Zan, Molly Percocet, like all 1434 01:12:53.380 --> 01:12:55.380 of this stuff in the music and that stuff's like, 1435 01:12:55.890 --> 01:12:59.050 thriving now and it's hurting. It's really, it's harming people, man. 1436 01:12:59.069 --> 01:13:01.430 So that's why, like, if we bring something to the table, 1437 01:13:01.470 --> 01:13:03.350 what I'm doing or what you're doing with the music 1438 01:13:03.449 --> 01:13:06.180 aspect of it as well, music is so powerful. And, uh, 1439 01:13:06.189 --> 01:13:07.970 if we can, if we can find the right Avenue 1440 01:13:08.029 --> 01:13:11.180 and do it good, do it with excellence and rival 1441 01:13:11.220 --> 01:13:13.840 the production quality. And, and, but then again, you're talking 1442 01:13:13.859 --> 01:13:16.930 about the marketing of it. Like there's a, not a, 1443 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:19.159 not a huge budget on it. And thank God that 1444 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:22.920 it's something organically and that people who are undergoing, uh, 1445 01:13:23.010 --> 01:13:27.579 awakening across the globe, uh, they're organically finding what we're 1446 01:13:27.619 --> 01:13:30.180 talking about and the right people are here. It's different 1447 01:13:30.220 --> 01:13:32.739 for me from like religion because I had to proselytize 1448 01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:34.819 and knock on your door. Hey, have you heard about 1449 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:37.739 the good news of Christ or whatever? Now I just 1450

01:13:37.779 --> 01:13:39.550 do a video about the good news of Christ and 1451 01:13:39.569 --> 01:13:41.289 people who are supposed to find it, like they're going 1452 01:13:41.310 --> 01:13:43.770 to find it or the good news of, of a 1453 01:13:43.789 --> 01:13:47.390 CE5 contact or what, or a psychedelic journey and people 1454 01:13:47.409 --> 01:13:51.069 who are looking for the stuff organically with the internet. 1455 01:13:51.109 --> 01:13:53.619 Now they're going to find it. And so the community, 1456 01:13:53.899 --> 01:13:55.720 you kind of find your tribe and you find your 1457 01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:58.760 people and you put that vibe out there and be 1458 01:13:58.979 --> 01:14:02.630 open about your story. Like if we wasn't talking about this, 1459 01:14:03.189 --> 01:14:05.449 these people in the chat wouldn't be here. The people 1460 01:14:05.489 --> 01:14:07.949 who are impacted by our work and feel loved and 1461 01:14:07.989 --> 01:14:10.810 feel a part of a community, they wouldn't, they would, 1462 01:14:11.130 --> 01:14:14.149 you know, be displaced or try to find others who was, 1463 01:14:14.250 --> 01:14:16.449 who was, you know, being open with their story that 1464 01:14:16.609 --> 01:14:19.449 similar or giving them some type of answers by just 1465 01:14:19.569 --> 01:14:22.829 being open with your story. You know what I'm saying? 1466 01:14:23.050 --> 01:14:25.529 And you're helping people by just being open and not 1467 01:14:25.569 --> 01:14:27.909 doing nothing. No parlor tricks. We're not trying to convince 1468 01:14:27.970 --> 01:14:31.350 you at all. Not trying to make nothing up. We're 1469 01:14:31.369 --> 01:14:32.909 just trying to get to the bottom of it together 1470 01:14:32.930 --> 01:14:35.390 and be open and honest with our experiences. And that 1471 01:14:35.430 --> 01:14:38.189 right there is like where I've seen the most power at. 1472 01:14:38.729 --> 01:14:43.319 People are being impacted because we're just being honest, you know? Yeah, 1473 01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:48.000 for sure. So where are we at? We're back. About 1474 01:14:48.100 --> 01:14:49.699 an hour and 15 minutes in, man. Do you want 1475 01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:51.340 to go ahead and share your links where people can 1476 01:14:51.380 --> 01:14:52.970 check out your music? I know a lot of people 1477 01:14:52.979 --> 01:14:55.949 have already looked you up and checked you out here 1478 01:14:55.989 --> 01:14:56.529 in the chat. 1479 01:14:56.569 --> 01:14:57.069 Yeah, yeah. 1480 01:14:57.090 --> 01:15:00.109 By listening on the podcast and where they can listen 1481 01:15:00.130 --> 01:15:02.189 to your stuff. And somebody made a comment about your 1482 01:15:02.270 --> 01:15:04.390 artwork and stuff. Really, really good stuff, man. 1483 01:15:04.979 --> 01:15:06.880 Yeah, yeah. 1484 01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:07.600 That looks really good. 1485 01:15:09.470 --> 01:15:13.149 My website, I made a website just to really kind 1486 01:15:13.170 --> 01:15:18.789 of promote everything that I'm doing. Music wise, science wise, 1487 01:15:18.829 --> 01:15:28.880 spirituality is theastral.com. So T-H-E-A-S-T-R-A-L, theastral.com. So that's really my 1488 01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:33.079 main website. I do some marketing too. So I help 1489 01:15:33.579 --> 01:15:37.710 small businesses, some, A couple of books that I'm going 1490 01:15:37.729 --> 01:15:40.130 to be helping release later on this year. 1491 01:15:40.149 --> 01:15:42.189 A couple have to do with spirituality. 1492 01:15:42.489 --> 01:15:45.079 I do want to mention there is one book that 1493 01:15:45.100 --> 01:15:48.359 I'm going to release later on this year that I 1494 01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:54.550 think could be absolutely huge. It has to do with extraterrestrials, 1495 01:15:55.329 --> 01:16:00.710 Jesus Christ, and Atlantis. So those are three things that 1496 01:16:00.750 --> 01:16:03.729 are pretty big subjects that people have a big interest in. 1497 01:16:04.300 --> 01:16:08.340 And all three are contained in one book that has a, uh, 1498 01:16:08.539 --> 01:16:11.079 really incredible story to it. 1499 01:16:11.239 --> 01:16:13.880 And, um, it's supposedly real, supposed to be real. 1500 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.810 Um, so I'll, I'll, what I'd, what I'd like to 1501 01:16:17.850 --> 01:16:20.470 do is if it's okay, I'd like to send you, um, 1502 01:16:20.510 --> 01:16:24.750 kind of the first chapter and like a summary of it. And, um, 1503 01:16:24.829 --> 01:16:27.590 you know, maybe do what you like shared or whatever 1504 01:16:27.649 --> 01:16:30.369 with the, with the fans and everything, but, uh, I'm excited. 1505 01:16:30.390 --> 01:16:34.119 It's going to be called contact Atlantis. Um, So I'll 1506 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.920 be coming out later on this year. But for the website, 1507 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:39.420 just theastro.com, you can check in on everything that I'm doing. 1508 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:39.960 Yep. 1509 01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:42.899 Really good website, man. People are already checking it out. So, brother, 1510 01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:45.340 I appreciate you coming on. I really enjoyed it. We 1511 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:46.840 got to do some work together, man. We're in the 1512 01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:49.500 same field. We're not in competition with one another. We're 1513 01:16:49.539 --> 01:16:52.579 working together, man. So anything you need, hit me up. 1514 01:16:52.619 --> 01:16:54.479 Let's do some stuff together and get some of this 1515 01:16:54.500 --> 01:16:58.779 stuff out there, this artwork, creativity, and telling our story, 1516 01:16:58.819 --> 01:17:01.090 which is simply it. So let's work together, man. 1517 01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:01.899 For sure, man. 1518 01:17:02.609 --> 01:17:03.029 Definitely. 1519 01:17:03.060 --> 01:17:04.680 Thank you. I appreciate you having me on, man. 1520 01:17:04.739 --> 01:17:07.880 Definitely, man. I enjoyed this conversation,

bro. Awesome. 1521 01:17:08.020 --> 01:17:08.359 Thanks, man. 1522 01:17:08.380 --> 01:17:17.399 Shalom, brother. Peace. Peace. I love Wesson. Every, everyone. I 1523 01:17:17.420 --> 01:17:21.050 got his website. His website is really cool. Website is 1524 01:17:21.109 --> 01:17:26.989 really cool, man. Enjoyed this conversation. Um, death is the 1525 01:17:27.029 --> 01:17:28.590 only guarantee is what home sauce says. 1526 01:17:28.909 --> 01:17:29.149 Yeah. 1527 01:17:29.369 --> 01:17:33.199 Bringing, bringing the children aspect into it. Um, and I'll 1528 01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:36.520 say this, we're going to be working on a, a website, um, 1529 01:17:36.689 --> 01:17:38.529 let you know, Allie too. I see your comments about 1530 01:17:38.550 --> 01:17:40.270 the kids and I know you work with kids about 1531 01:17:40.310 --> 01:17:42.890 this and try to, you know, these kids are bringing 1532 01:17:42.909 --> 01:17:44.750 you these comments. I know we've had, we've had these 1533 01:17:44.949 --> 01:17:47.510 conversations before. These kids are talking to you about this stuff. 1534 01:17:48.050 --> 01:17:50.289 So you got to have something to tell them. Um, 1535 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:53.800 working on a website with Tark, Tark Bibby, which is 1536 01:17:53.859 --> 01:17:59.899 Indigo Profit. Um, he's commissioned me to build a site, uh, to, 1537 01:18:00.140 --> 01:18:05.189 to get out the, um, star seed stuff for the 1538 01:18:05.270 --> 01:18:08.829 children and start talking about that. So he's putting together 1539 01:18:08.890 --> 01:18:12.789 like teachings and courses that it's opened up alley or 1540 01:18:12.869 --> 01:18:16.640 anybody out there who wants to contribute to this, uh, um, 1541 01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:19.659 effort and this website, they're going to be doing courses 1542 01:18:19.699 --> 01:18:22.979 and teachings and stuff that they can bring to the table. And, uh, 1543 01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:25.880 it's going to be cool. So we would be working 1544 01:18:25.899 --> 01:18:27.880 on that really soon for star seeds and children and 1545 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.380 stuff like that. So, A lot of people will be 1546 01:18:30.420 --> 01:18:32.539 able to contribute. So if you want to write articles, man, 1547 01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:34.399 get on top of it. There'll be a place for you. 1548 01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:36.659 Any type of subject matter that has to do with 1549 01:18:36.699 --> 01:18:40.579 starseeds or anything for children, any type of exercises like 1550 01:18:40.619 --> 01:18:42.470 the brother was talking about with the doll thing like 1551 01:18:42.510 --> 01:18:45.109 that would be cool to put in words and put there. 1552 01:18:45.149 --> 01:18:46.930 So if you're I know you're going to be listening 1553 01:18:46.989 --> 01:18:49.500 to this, Tyler, uh get with me on that we're 1554 01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:50.840 going to be doing that website i'm going to help 1555 01:18:50.859 --> 01:18:53.359 them promote it and stuff too so talk baby's doing 1556 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.020 it they're in talks right now financially how to how 1557 01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:58.409 to go about building it and supporting it and trying 1558 01:18:58.430 --> 01:19:01.409 to find the right way where people can submit um 1559 01:19:01.590 --> 01:19:04.189 their own articles and and things to it so it 1560 01:19:04.250 --> 01:19:08.090 should be cool all all on star seed children and 1561 01:19:08.289 --> 01:19:11.909 people who are having these encounters and stuff. So I'll 1562 01:19:11.930 --> 01:19:15.170 say a big thank you to everybody hanging out with 1563 01:19:15.189 --> 01:19:20.649 this man. Everybody's supporting what I'm doing. 1564 01:19:20.710 --> 01:19:25.989 Wow. That was a repeat. 1565 01:19:26.029 --> 01:19:28.800 Thank you for the donation, Christy. It says, gotta love 1566 01:19:28.819 --> 01:19:31.439 the aliens for shizzle my nizzle. Thank you for that. 1567 01:19:31.460 --> 01:19:35.960 I don't know why it's playing twice, but, um, it is. 1568 01:19:36.380 --> 01:19:41.350 So thank you for the donation. I really appreciate that. Um, yeah, man, 1569 01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:43.439 I was, I was on Christie Lee's show last night 1570 01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:46.340 and there was a topic that, uh, I wanted to 1571 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:49.180 talk about. I was talking about on there just organically, man, 1572 01:19:49.220 --> 01:19:53.579 it just came out, but it's talking about reaction videos, right? Um, 1573 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:58.640 there's a lot of people who are doing, um, reaction 1574 01:19:58.659 --> 01:20:05.659 videos on YouTube and there they exist off of reacting 1575 01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:10.979 to other people's work. I mean, They're reacting to old music, 1576 01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:13.880 new music. They're reacting to viral videos. And it's just 1577 01:20:13.939 --> 01:20:17.359 them reacting to a video. And it's getting big. Like, 1578 01:20:17.420 --> 01:20:19.800 everybody's starting it. It's a good way to, I guess, 1579 01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:23.119 start a platform on YouTube to react to other people's stuff. 1580 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:27.289 And so, they got a video of them watching a 1581 01:20:27.310 --> 01:20:31.430 video and doing their response. And it's just really epic 1582 01:20:31.449 --> 01:20:34.989 thumbnails of, like, everybody just looking crazy or whatever to 1583 01:20:36.029 --> 01:20:36.750 make you want to click it. 1584 01:20:36.869 --> 01:20:36.970 So. 1585 01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:39.880 there's reaction videos that are really big right now. And 1586 01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:41.840 so it came to my attention that a lot of 1587 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:45.640 people out there with in the church realm, like in, in, 1588 01:20:45.779 --> 01:20:50.960 in ministry, they have reaction ministries that you don't bring 1589 01:20:51.140 --> 01:20:55.710 anything original to the table. You and your ministry

and 1590 01:20:55.770 --> 01:20:59.890 what you're doing exist off of reacting to what someone 1591 01:20:59.949 --> 01:21:06.029 else does. You're not creating anything. Um, Reaction videos would 1592 01:21:06.050 --> 01:21:07.479 be fun. I would like to do them, but I 1593 01:21:07.489 --> 01:21:13.039 would rather create something, bring something to the table, birth 1594 01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:16.760 something that didn't exist until I put my hands on it, right? 1595 01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:21.270 And so the whole reaction ministries, man, is just all 1596 01:21:21.310 --> 01:21:25.369 these people out there who, they only respond to what 1597 01:21:25.409 --> 01:21:27.449 other people are doing, whether they, you know, we did, 1598 01:21:27.470 --> 01:21:30.909 I did the video yesterday about, you know, Benny Hinn 1599 01:21:30.949 --> 01:21:32.600 and all that. That was a snippet that I put out. 1600 01:21:33.699 --> 01:21:37.289 And A lot of people have Benny Hinn exposed ministries 1601 01:21:37.399 --> 01:21:41.500 or they're just reacting to what they don't like. And 1602 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:43.699 I'm coming from a place of like where I used 1603 01:21:43.739 --> 01:21:46.220 to do that as well. Like I was known for 1604 01:21:46.340 --> 01:21:49.880 what I did don't like. And I would be very 1605 01:21:50.220 --> 01:21:54.550 vocal about false doctrine and stay away, how to expose 1606 01:21:54.609 --> 01:21:56.750 these lies of doctrine and how to stay away from 1607 01:21:57.029 --> 01:21:59.510 Benny Hinn and Creflo Dollar and TD Jakes and this 1608 01:21:59.550 --> 01:22:01.029 kind of stuff. And so I was kind of known 1609 01:22:01.090 --> 01:22:04.210 for being that guy who exposed you by doing the 1610 01:22:04.250 --> 01:22:07.640 work of God. But this is a reaction ministry. And 1611 01:22:07.649 --> 01:22:09.579 I remember, man, hearing the voice of the Lord speak 1612 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:11.699 to me years ago when I was in that place 1613 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:15.159 of like, look, you want to combat false doctrine. You 1614 01:22:15.180 --> 01:22:19.859 want to combat wrong teaching and false prophets and stuff. 1615 01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:23.300 The best way to do it Essentially, the only way 1616 01:22:23.340 --> 01:22:24.880 to do it is to teach it the right way. 1617 01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:30.350 If these people are teaching, tithing wrong, these people are teaching, 1618 01:22:30.529 --> 01:22:33.930 giving wrong and things like that, or doctrine about anything 1619 01:22:33.949 --> 01:22:35.689 that you don't agree with, you believe is false. It's 1620 01:22:35.729 --> 01:22:38.170 not to be known for calling their names out and 1621 01:22:38.229 --> 01:22:40.569 pointing them out, but simply teach it the right way 1622 01:22:40.590 --> 01:22:43.689 because you're going to be known for what you're against 1623 01:22:43.770 --> 01:22:46.050 rather than what you're for. And you have a whole 1624 01:22:46.109 -->

01:22:49.680 ministry that that's what you'll be doing. And we see 1625 01:22:49.720 --> 01:22:52.470 a lot of that going on in Christendom. where people 1626 01:22:52.550 --> 01:22:57.689 have reaction ministries. You don't create anything. You don't create music. 1627 01:22:57.829 --> 01:23:00.850 You react to music. You don't create music videos. You 1628 01:23:00.899 --> 01:23:02.880 react to music videos. And they're doing it. You don't 1629 01:23:02.939 --> 01:23:07.000 create ministry. You don't create teaching. You don't create videos 1630 01:23:07.039 --> 01:23:10.000 about what you're for. You create videos about what you're against. 1631 01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:13.119 And you're reacting to everything that goes on out there. 1632 01:23:13.220 --> 01:23:16.060 So that was a revelation I went off on Christy 1633 01:23:16.100 --> 01:23:18.140 Lee's podcast. But I kind of wanted to bring that up, man, 1634 01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:22.140 because it's pretty deep of having a reaction video they're 1635 01:23:22.180 --> 01:23:25.310 all always like on the defense there is no offense 1636 01:23:25.329 --> 01:23:29.329 they're not um going out there taking the land creating 1637 01:23:29.390 --> 01:23:33.069 something you know birthing something whatever it is so i 1638 01:23:33.510 --> 01:23:34.989 just want to encourage you guys to do that man 1639 01:23:35.449 --> 01:23:37.619 uh make sure that y'all are bringing something beautiful to 1640 01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:39.840 the table and not just reacting to the things that 1641 01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:43.979 you don't uh agree with and believe in so that's 1642 01:23:44.020 --> 01:23:47.060 something i wanted to speak on yeah other than that 1643 01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:50.420 man It was a really good episode. I enjoyed it. 1644 01:23:51.010 --> 01:23:54.090 Tom DeLone is the... He's talking about To The Stars Academy. 1645 01:23:54.130 --> 01:23:58.850 This is Tom DeLone from the band Blink-182. So, talking 1646 01:23:58.869 --> 01:24:02.090 about him. So, he come out with the To The 1647 01:24:02.109 --> 01:24:04.409 Stars Academy. And you thought that he was going to 1648 01:24:04.430 --> 01:24:06.189 be coming out with some cool creative stuff. They said 1649 01:24:06.229 --> 01:24:09.390 he wanted to be the Disney of ufology. I was like, hey, 1650 01:24:09.409 --> 01:24:12.489 that sounds cool. I'm in ufology. I do songs about this. 1651 01:24:12.810 --> 01:24:14.609 I tried to reach out to him. But I'm going 1652 01:24:14.630 --> 01:24:20.510 to find out what they're doing. It's something totally different. So... Um, that, uh, 1653 01:24:20.590 --> 01:24:23.289 binary says that is awesome. Do you want to be 1654 01:24:23.350 --> 01:24:26.020 remembered for what you're against or what you're for? 1655 01:24:26.060 --> 01:24:26.220 Yep. 1656 01:24:26.899 --> 01:24:29.619 Yep. You were just reacting to everybody's stuff. What you're against, 1657 01:24:29.659 --> 01:24:31.960 you're against this, against that. 1658 01:24:32.460 --> 01:24:33.840 And, um, yep. 1659 01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:36.500 So yeah, thank you guys for hanging out with me. 1660 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:38.800 I really enjoyed this episode. Thank you guys for the 1661 01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:42.550 donations and stuff. Christy. Um, if you want to support 1662 01:24:42.569 --> 01:24:44.409 my work, if you want to help keep me on 1663 01:24:44.430 --> 01:24:46.470 the air, just, uh, Patreon is the best way to, 1664 01:24:47.149 --> 01:24:50.140 to do that. I mean, even for like doing, and 1665 01:24:50.149 --> 01:24:53.640 doing a full-time podcast on being a full-time musician. There's 1666 01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:55.520 not a lot of money in this music. Like I'm 1667 01:24:55.539 --> 01:24:58.680 not selling like crazy albums. Most people download your stuff 1668 01:24:58.699 --> 01:25:01.199 for free or just listen to it on YouTube and 1669 01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:03.279 you make pennies off of that. So there's not a 1670 01:25:03.300 --> 01:25:05.020 lot of money at all. So the best model to 1671 01:25:05.060 --> 01:25:08.229 support your favorite artist, um, is, is really through Patreon. 1672 01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:11.029 Patreon is really cool, man, to, uh, be able to 1673 01:25:11.090 --> 01:25:14.470 lock down content specifically for people. And, uh, you want 1674 01:25:14.489 --> 01:25:17.449 to do that head on over to patreon.com backslash truth seeker, 1675 01:25:17.829 --> 01:25:20.600 get access to all the cool stuff that I mentioned. uh, 1676 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:24.260 my full discography, let's 10 plus albums, man, like 10 1677 01:25:24.260 --> 01:25:27.140 plus albums and all the new music, you become a patron, 1678 01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:30.539 you get access to all that. So like, you know, 1679 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:34.590 however much that is worth, you know, a hundred, 150 bucks, whatever. 1680 01:25:34.699 --> 01:25:36.369 If you was to buy all those albums, you get 1681 01:25:36.449 --> 01:25:39.649 access to all of it for $ 5 a month or whatever. So, 1682 01:25:39.670 --> 01:25:42.250 you know, take two years for you to, if you'd 1683 01:25:42.310 --> 01:25:45.010 be able to pay that off or whatever. So $ 5 1684 01:25:44.970 --> 01:25:47.949 a month would be way better than just a one-time 1685 01:25:48.029 --> 01:25:51.939 gift of whatever. So, um, Patreon is really cool. Thank 1686 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:54.399 you guys for supporting my work. Binary says I've bought 1687 01:25:54.460 --> 01:26:01.630 all of them. Alias says, I've never resonated with To 1688 01:26:01.649 --> 01:26:06.649 The Stars Academy. Why would you trust X3? Three letter 1689 01:26:06.909 --> 01:26:10.630 agency cohorts. Yeah, I don't either, man. Like, I guess 1690 01:26:10.649 --> 01:26:13.550 I got excited right when it came out because Tom 1691 01:26:13.569 --> 01:26:16.050 DeLonge was in it, you know, and I know the 1692 01:26:16.090 --> 01:26:18.010 power of art.

I know the power of music. He 1693 01:26:18.050 --> 01:26:21.390 has his Angels and Airways album. airwaves band and stuff 1694 01:26:21.409 --> 01:26:23.609 that I think they talked a little bit about that 1695 01:26:23.649 --> 01:26:25.250 kind of stuff. But there's a lot of music out 1696 01:26:25.289 --> 01:26:29.229 there now that talk talks about what we're talking about here. Um, 1697 01:26:29.250 --> 01:26:30.890 there's a lot of songs and I wanted to, we 1698 01:26:30.909 --> 01:26:33.109 didn't talk about it, but there's a lot of, a 1699 01:26:33.170 --> 01:26:36.149 lot of bands who may have just touched touch on 1700 01:26:36.189 --> 01:26:38.880 some of this stuff, but that's all they do. They 1701 01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:42.180 just touched it. It's not like everybody, it's not like 1702 01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:45.340 every song is about this or they tackle the subject matter. 1703 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:47.600 They may do one song or even put a few 1704 01:26:47.659 --> 01:26:49.800 lyrics here and there and sprinkle it through the music. 1705 01:26:51.979 --> 01:26:54.279 I don't know why. Maybe they think they're doing good. 1706 01:26:54.300 --> 01:26:56.039 But if we look at somebody like B.O.B. and stuff, 1707 01:26:56.079 --> 01:27:00.359 he's very much into the conspiracy conversation. But it'd be 1708 01:27:00.380 --> 01:27:02.199 really cool to hear these guys do a lot of 1709 01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:05.479 stuff about it. I mean, a lot B.O.B. does some 1710 01:27:05.539 --> 01:27:09.979 of it like Joey, Joey Badass. He does some stuff 1711 01:27:10.100 --> 01:27:13.319 and Tech Nine, like all of these people have just 1712 01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:16.939 done a little bit about conspiracies or spirituality or they 1713 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:19.279 just sprinkle stuff in there. But I love it when 1714 01:27:19.300 --> 01:27:23.560 I'm able to hear somebody who would produce albums on 1715 01:27:23.619 --> 01:27:26.020 top of albums about this kind of stuff and really 1716 01:27:26.060 --> 01:27:29.989 go into depth about detail about spirituality and spiritual practice. Well, 1717 01:27:30.010 --> 01:27:36.010 we have conspirituality as a group. Hats off. Love those guys. Conspirituality. 1718 01:27:36.069 --> 01:27:40.600 You got the Lost Children of Babylon. Myself. You have Tyler. 1719 01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:43.819 I mean, you know, and it's about doing it well. 1720 01:27:44.380 --> 01:27:47.399 You know, somebody who's people who are bringing this stuff 1721 01:27:47.420 --> 01:27:50.600 to the table. and using the impact and power of, 1722 01:27:51.149 --> 01:27:53.579 of media and of entertainment and using it for a 1723 01:27:53.619 --> 01:27:57.039 good reason. That's something too, we can address too, because 1724 01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:01.779 I put that video out about, you know, are, uh, is, um, 1725 01:28:02.949 --> 01:28:06.489 Benny Hinn and Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, are they false prophets? 1726 01:28:07.430

--> 01:28:09.529 And someone said, I think they said that, I think 1727 01:28:09.569 --> 01:28:12.529 that anybody who makes a profit off of the word 1728 01:28:12.569 --> 01:28:18.029 of God is a false prophet, P-R-O-P-H, uh, B-R-O-F-I-T is 1729 01:28:18.069 --> 01:28:21.489 what they said. And they're doing it for false prophets. 1730 01:28:22.449 --> 01:28:26.319 I've been on like every spectrum of this, of studying 1731 01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:29.939 and of belief and stuff. And I'm one who is 1732 01:28:29.979 --> 01:28:33.890 supported by people who believe in what I do. So 1733 01:28:34.489 --> 01:28:37.670 when you break it down, it's like this. Like there's 1734 01:28:37.729 --> 01:28:42.560 people who believe believe that, well, there's people out there 1735 01:28:42.579 --> 01:28:46.680 who are doing bad stuff, right? There's drug dealers. There's 1736 01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:52.930 sex traffickers. There's people promoting porn, people who kill, steal, 1737 01:28:53.289 --> 01:28:55.989 rob for money, and they get paid. They get commissioned 1738 01:28:56.029 --> 01:28:58.890 to do this stuff. They make a living doing wickedness stuff. 1739 01:28:59.590 --> 01:29:03.189 doing evil stuff. They make a good living doing wickedness. 1740 01:29:03.869 --> 01:29:06.229 But why not the people who are trying to promote righteousness? 1741 01:29:06.430 --> 01:29:09.569 Why can't they get paid? Why can't they make money 1742 01:29:09.630 --> 01:29:12.020 off of whether it's selling a book or a CD? 1743 01:29:12.569 --> 01:29:15.159 I had a brother yesterday post something about, how many 1744 01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:18.619 books did the apostle Paul sell? He was building tents 1745 01:29:18.819 --> 01:29:21.600 because nobody would support him. But he does talk about 1746 01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:27.270 you should be supported off of spreading the gospel. People 1747 01:29:27.289 --> 01:29:29.329 should support you. They should open up their home. They 1748 01:29:29.350 --> 01:29:31.430 should bless you. They should take care of you if 1749 01:29:31.470 --> 01:29:33.390 you believe in it. When it comes down to the 1750 01:29:33.710 --> 01:29:36.689 message of tithing, that's a big thing with the scriptures 1751 01:29:36.750 --> 01:29:40.930 and with churches where they are supported through tithe. And 1752 01:29:41.109 --> 01:29:43.270 so tithe in itself and supporting someone is not a 1753 01:29:43.310 --> 01:29:46.529 bad thing. Like it's really a good model to 10% 1754 01:29:46.529 --> 01:29:49.510 of your earnings to give to something that you believe in. 1755 01:29:50.689 --> 01:29:52.640 What your treasure is that your heart will be also, 1756 01:29:52.659 --> 01:29:55.220 or what your heart is that your treasure lies. So 1757 01:29:55.239 --> 01:29:57.090 whatever you believe in, you're going to spend your money on. 1758 01:29:57.630 --> 01:30:00.369 Don't tell me you care about kids in Africa who 1759 01:30:00.409 --> 01:30:02.970 are going

hungry. My heart just hurts for them. No, 1760 01:30:03.149 --> 01:30:05.170 if your heart hurts for the kids dying in Africa 1761 01:30:05.430 --> 01:30:07.789 who are hungry, you're going to get with a program 1762 01:30:07.850 --> 01:30:10.310 or get with missionaries who are actually over there putting 1763 01:30:10.350 --> 01:30:13.329 feet on the ground, feeding people. If your heart really 1764 01:30:13.390 --> 01:30:17.399 hurts for them, like where you spend your money, where 1765 01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:20.140 you put your hard earned money shows what you believe in. 1766 01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:23.279 All of us. We can't lie about it. I care 1767 01:30:23.300 --> 01:30:25.199 for the homeless. My heart hurts for the homeless. I 1768 01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:27.310 wish they could they can eat. It doesn't cost a 1769 01:30:27.329 --> 01:30:30.010 lot of money to feed the homeless. There's certain, I remember, man, 1770 01:30:30.029 --> 01:30:32.350 we would go out on like Wednesdays. They had a 1771 01:30:32.689 --> 01:30:38.220 special at Sonic, Sonic fast food restaurant, 25 cent hamburgers, 1772 01:30:38.220 --> 01:30:41.880 25 cent hamburgers. We would go out there and we'd 1773 01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:45.020 buy 50, 50 hamburgers and just find random homeless people 1774 01:30:45.060 --> 01:30:47.439 around the city and just feed them and hug them. 1775 01:30:47.500 --> 01:30:49.560 Hey man, God wanted me to tell you, he loves you. 1776 01:30:50.060 --> 01:30:52.000 He hasn't forgot about you, man. You're hungry. Here you go. 1777 01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:55.539 Just something little, like where your treasure is, your money, 1778 01:30:56.140 --> 01:31:00.100 It's where your heart is. So don't, it talks about 1779 01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:02.689 faith without works. It says faith without works is dead. 1780 01:31:03.649 --> 01:31:06.270 You can tell somebody, and the Bible clearly paints this 1781 01:31:06.329 --> 01:31:10.050 picture of you bidding someone farewell or wishing that they, 1782 01:31:10.069 --> 01:31:11.930 hey man, I'll be praying for you that you get 1783 01:31:11.949 --> 01:31:14.369 somebody to fix that car for you and you got 1784 01:31:14.390 --> 01:31:16.170 the money to fix this person's car or you got 1785 01:31:16.210 --> 01:31:18.680 the intellect and the know-how to do it and you 1786 01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:20.750 don't do it. Hey man, I hope you make it. 1787 01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:23.279 I hope you succeed. Well, let me show you how 1788 01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:25.140 to succeed. Let me show you what's working for me. 1789 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:27.689 Let me, freely give as freely as I have received. 1790 01:31:27.729 --> 01:31:30.140 So when it comes to money, if you believe in something, 1791 01:31:30.180 --> 01:31:33.840 you'll support it with tithing. Again, if you believe in 1792 01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:35.960 a church building, if you have a congregation or a 1793 01:31:36.260 --> 01:31:38.760 ministry or something you believe in, you'll spend money. And 1794 01:31:38.819 --> 01:31:43.140 it's not about, it's different when they try to twist 1795 01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:46.100 your arm into giving or beg you to give or 1796 01:31:47.159 --> 01:31:50.199 teach you, tell you that if you don't give, God 1797 01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:52.939 will take it. Like I've been a part of ministries 1798 01:31:52.979 --> 01:31:55.340 like that. Like they tell you, if you don't tithe 1799 01:31:55.380 --> 01:31:58.689 and give your 10%, that belongs to God. And God 1800 01:31:58.729 --> 01:32:02.489 will take that money from you. And then that's demonic, 1801 01:32:02.529 --> 01:32:07.289 straight demonic. I've been in there. Like I've been in 1802 01:32:07.329 --> 01:32:09.250 those churches where we had to write down how much 1803 01:32:09.289 --> 01:32:13.300 we owe God because we couldn't tithe. Like, man, oh God, $ 600. 1804 01:32:13.020 --> 01:32:15.779 We got to pay it back. And it's like, should 1805 01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:17.760 we erase it? What do we do? And then so 1806 01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:23.529 therefore it produces this mindset of, When bad, when calamity happens, 1807 01:32:23.710 --> 01:32:27.010 you're looking for calamity to happen. That is crazy for 1808 01:32:27.050 --> 01:32:31.029 you to be a believer and go around looking, expecting 1809 01:32:31.109 --> 01:32:33.689 bad things to happen to you. And they will give 1810 01:32:33.750 --> 01:32:36.020 you examples, man. They'll tell you that your car will 1811 01:32:36.029 --> 01:32:39.380 break down. Your washing machine will stop working. But we're like, man, 1812 01:32:39.399 --> 01:32:44.319 God's like he's an angry mobster. God was a mobster. Hey, man, 1813 01:32:44.340 --> 01:32:47.140 you got my money. Shake you down. Pat you down. 1814 01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:50.899 Where my money at, man? Give me my money. I'm 1815 01:32:50.939 --> 01:32:56.489 telling you guys, well-meaning-to-do churches, beautiful congregations taught this stuff. 1816 01:32:57.270 --> 01:32:59.130 And it wasn't just Singletown. I've been to a lot 1817 01:32:59.149 --> 01:33:02.609 of churches who taught that. That's scary, man. And that's demonic. 1818 01:33:03.369 --> 01:33:06.710 But tithing in general is a good principle, man. But 1819 01:33:07.109 --> 01:33:11.180 when people take it to those extremes, when people take 1820 01:33:11.220 --> 01:33:15.319 it to those extremes, man, it gets crazy. You're not 1821 01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:19.399 going to be blessed until you... Your tithe is what 1822 01:33:19.420 --> 01:33:22.720 you owe God. You won't be blessed until you go 1823 01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:26.699 above the tithe. Praise God. You have to go above 1824 01:33:26.739 --> 01:33:29.420 the tithe. So you give your 10%, but that's just 1825 01:33:29.439 --> 01:33:31.340 what you owe God. That's the baseline. But you have to, 1826 01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:33.939 when you go above your tithe and give an offering,

1827 01:33:34.300 --> 01:33:37.000 then God will bless you. Listen, I believe in karma. 1828 01:33:37.100 --> 01:33:39.100 I believe that you reap what you sow. I believe 1829 01:33:39.140 --> 01:33:43.939 that those who give sparingly will also reap sparingly with anything. 1830 01:33:45.380 --> 01:33:47.920 That's the universal law. See time and harvest. If you 1831 01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:50.189 sow into something, you know, that you believe in that, 1832 01:33:50.689 --> 01:33:52.609 You're going to get it back. When somebody's going through 1833 01:33:52.649 --> 01:33:57.189 calamity and you sow friendship, you sow kind words to 1834 01:33:57.229 --> 01:34:00.310 those people, when you're going through a hard time, I 1835 01:34:00.329 --> 01:34:03.189 believe it'll be there for you. You're looking for support. 1836 01:34:03.270 --> 01:34:05.170 We've talked about this. You're looking for support. You want 1837 01:34:05.189 --> 01:34:08.069 people to support your ministry. You want somebody to support 1838 01:34:08.109 --> 01:34:11.989 your podcast or whatever, but you've never supported anybody. You've 1839 01:34:12.029 --> 01:34:14.470 never poured into anybody. You've never gone out of your 1840 01:34:14.510 --> 01:34:17.520 way to help people, but now you're asking for help. Okay. 1841 01:34:18.069 --> 01:34:20.880 Let's see how that works out with the universe. Let's 1842 01:34:20.899 --> 01:34:23.600 see if God will bless that. And so that's what 1843 01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:27.949 it's about, man. It's about whatever you want for your life, 1844 01:34:28.409 --> 01:34:31.970 bless other people with it. Get out of the competition mindset. 1845 01:34:32.109 --> 01:34:36.229 Get out of the I'm alive to survive mindset and 1846 01:34:36.289 --> 01:34:42.359 expect blessings. Those who give sparingly will also reap sparingly. 1847 01:34:42.520 --> 01:34:45.140 Like those are principles, man, that at the end of 1848 01:34:45.180 --> 01:34:49.350 the day, they work. You know what I'm saying? And, and, 1849 01:34:49.430 --> 01:34:51.949 and that go, it is better to give than to receive. 1850 01:34:52.010 --> 01:34:54.399 And so, but I say, if you give, you will receive. 1851 01:34:54.449 --> 01:34:57.800 And so that's, that's the beauty of it. Um, it's 1852 01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:01.500 when it's abused that it becomes something bad, whether it's tithing, 1853 01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:07.539 whether it's offerings, whether you're promised all these guys on TBN, 1854 01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:09.100 you know, there's a lot of that stuff going on. 1855 01:35:09.119 --> 01:35:13.399 There's a lot of that stuff going on. Uh, so, uh, 1856 01:35:13.539 --> 01:35:16.239 love bug says, I like the free hugs campaign. 1857 01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:16.520 Yep. 1858 01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:19.520 I got a good friend of mine who does that. 1859 01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:23.369 Goes out and just holds up the signs and pushes 1860 01:35:23.409 --> 01:35:27.890 consciousness out there with just hugging people. Free hugs. Free 1861 01:35:27.909 --> 01:35:28.430 hug campaign. 1862 01:35:28.470 --> 01:35:29.210 So, yep. 1863 01:35:30.189 --> 01:35:31.930 Trying to stay on top of these comments, but yeah, man. 1864 01:35:33.390 --> 01:35:35.640 Love you guys. Thank you for the support. And we'll 1865 01:35:35.659 --> 01:35:39.680 do it again very soon. Shalom. Shalom. Peace, peace. 1866 01:35:42.659 --> 01:35:43.640 So much higher than mine. 1867 01:35:43.659 --> 01:35:55.239 So much higher than mine. Well, that does it for 1868 01:35:55.260 --> 01:35:56.399 this episode, folks. 1869 01:35:56.420 --> 01:35:59.470 To hear more episodes of the Truth Seeker podcast, head 1870 01:35:59.529 --> 01:36:02.409 over to truthseeker.com. And if you're wanting to support the 1871 01:36:02.449 --> 01:36:06.479 show and get rewards, go to our Patreon page at patreon.com 1872 01:36:06.699 --> 01:36:08.579 forward slash truthseeker.