บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Castles, Cryptids & Close Encounters, Scotlands Secrets with Ron Halliday - TSP # 1884

is it the same kind of things? Are just 71 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:09.039 changing their phone to kind of integrate with the way 72 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:12.319 our society has developed. But they've always been out there 73 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:13.639 in one form or another. 74 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.480 Yeah, it seems so right. And you you guys even 75 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:20.920 have like you have the little folk over there too, 76 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:23.920 like the leprechauns, And now I know that's big in 77 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.399 Irish culture. Is that big in Scottish culture as well? 78 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.199 Well, there's a similar kind of thing. We don't say, 79 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.879 you know, lepre cones, but we do have reports all 80 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.560 over the centuries of that kind of creature, you know, 81 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:40.160 fairies or I mean, you know, I mean fairies. You know, 82 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:43.639 we mustn't think of them as these kind of things 83 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:48.040 with wings. I mean, traditionally fairies were like human beings, 84 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.480 you know, they were smaller than human beings. They lived underground, 85 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:55.279 but they had these amazing supernatural powers. You know, for example, 86 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:59.199 they could walk into through walls, so they could do 87 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.720 all that kind of but they had these underground civilizations 88 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.399 where they had towns and cities. So you know, there 89 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:11.120 was this long tradition of these creatures in one form 90 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.879 or another. So well, I think it's fascinating how I 91 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.399 mean today, you know, we think of et and with 92 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:21.199 for example, extressional Indians walking through walls, you know, and 93 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.879 even in some cases various people have said that they've 94 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:29.800 been taken underground, maybe in a spacecraft, but then they've 95 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:33.759 been taken underground, and so there's you know, some link 96 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:36.920 between what's been there in the past what people are 97 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:37.639 seeing today. 98 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:42.879 Yeah, that's yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. Like I know that 99 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:46.519 there's a couple other researchers from from around your area 100 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.160 or they might not not specifically in your area, but 101 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:53.240 over that way in England there's a Barry Fitzgerald and 102 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:53.959 Brian Allen. 103 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:56.920 They wrote a book together, and I know they kind 104 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.519 of say they wrote a book about I know, it's 105 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:02.360 like the I

interviewed them on it, it's how they 106 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.279 think that you know, like angels, demons and all these 107 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.560 entities that we encounter could be the same beings but 108 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:12.639 just playing different faces for humanity, for like whatever they 109 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:13.240 want to show. 110 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.120 Us at the time. Do you do you believe that 111 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.040 to be something like what's going on? Yeah? 112 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:20.560 Absolutely, you know, I mean I think that is you know, 113 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:24.399 accurate in terms of what people have been seeing, you know, 114 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.720 I mean I wrote a book Alien Spirits rob which 115 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:31.759 was my experiences of two years with a psychic medium, 116 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.199 and you know, he was bringing through faces the forms 117 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:40.399 not only of people from the past, but also alien faces. 118 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:43.480 I saw a whole part of them, but seemed to suggest, 119 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.279 you know, that maybe what we had been seeing in 120 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:49.680 the past was something that I'd been changing, so we'd 121 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.480 seen these in a different format. So the angels and 122 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:58.160 demos have always been around, you know, alien entities have 123 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.199 always been around. It's just that you know, we're not 124 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.360 if you're like interacting them, interacting with them every day. 125 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:10.079 And these are kind of special type of experience before 126 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:13.399 we actually encounter these beings, but people have been incounted 127 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.759 in these entities, you know, for centuries, So we know 128 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:20.959 that there's so much human experience of alien or angel 129 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.519 or demon contact that you know, we should really accept 130 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:27.639 it and part as part and parcel of the world 131 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.040 that we actually live in. Even though we maybe not 132 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.800 see these creatures all the time. Only certain people maybe 133 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:36.920 get the opportunity to see them. But they're still there. 134 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.600 They're out there somewhere. Yeah. 135 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.399 Yeah, do you believe it's more of like a multiple 136 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:44.439 like from all your research, do you do you feel 137 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:46.759 like it's more of a multi dimensional thing, like they're 138 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:51.279 coming from other dimensions or other realities or through portals first, 139 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:55.920 compared to like, you know, aliens coming from extraterrestrial because 140 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.439 you know, it's interesting, like you know, we could say, well, 141 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.079 there's aliens and they could come from either you know, 142 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.319 the stars or other dimensions, or maybe they're coming from underground. 143 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.360 But then there's also these other creatures that work amongst us, 144 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.519 like you said, fairies, cryptids, you know, dog man, bigfoot. 145 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:16.160 I'm not sure what they call them over there, but 146 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:17.839 that you know, that's what I'm sure you heard those 147 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.920 terms we call them, you know, dogmen and bigfoot here 148 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.560 and and like probably the same thing, right, there's something similar. 149 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:27.399 But what I'm saying is, like, you know, it seems 150 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:30.040 like these things could come from either you know, they 151 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.720 obviously don't come from space, so it seems like they 152 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.279 come from other dimensions. So I would almost put it 153 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.720 as a thing that maybe aliens come from other dimensions too, 154 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.720 maybe they all do or maybe. And I always just 155 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:43.519 to kind of backpack on that idea, Wron. I've always 156 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:45.440 been so interested in, like, you know, what if I 157 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.320 could step into another dimension and see this world where 158 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:50.679 all these beings come from, like it would be it 159 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:51.799 would be fascinating. 160 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:55.879 You know, Yeah, I absolutely agree, And there's a saying 161 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:58.759 what I had these experiences with this medium and it 162 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:02.039 was like that, you know, you into another dimension. But 163 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.840 but I do agree with you about the multi dimensional 164 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.600 or you know, some groups of multi universe explanation for 165 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.279 what's going on. You know, that's somehow, in some ways 166 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:17.600 we are interacting at certain times with other universes so 167 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:21.679 that on occasion we can actually see into these other 168 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.559 universes and other dimensions, and that's where these creatures are 169 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.080 coming from. And that's why often you know, if people 170 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.399 have a uf UFO experience or even an alien experience, 171 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:34.440 so sometimes it's quite fleeting, it just lasts for a 172 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.240 very short period. It makes you think, you know what 173 00:09:37.360

--> 00:09:40.039 you like seeing a ghost, that these things are just 174 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:43.440 popping in and out of our world. They're not in 175 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.600 our world in that sense when they can enter our world, 176 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:49.679 but they're not like an everyday part of our world, 177 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:52.200 but they can be. And I think this does explain 178 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:55.080 quite a lot of stuff that you know, you mentioned Bigfoot. 179 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.519 You know, over the year, we've had what we call 180 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:00.000 the gray Man, a bit like the Yetty, lives up 181 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:06.279 in the mountains being seen occasionally experienced occasionally. We've got 182 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:08.919 nature spiritual, We've got ghost boys. I mean, all this 183 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.519 activity is going on, and I think the multi dimensional 184 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:19.120 theory does maybe explain just why all these things are happening, 185 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.480 but that they don't happen all the time. You know, 186 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:25.279 what every day experience isn't seeing a ghost or seeing Bigfoot, 187 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.960 or seeing dog Man or seeing you know, other strange 188 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:32.600 creatures that have been reported. But you know people do 189 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.960 report them. So you know, I can't understand what you know, 190 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:38.679 you get people just dismissing it and saying, now, this 191 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:41.639 is just folks imagination. I say, well, have you actually 192 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:45.600 spoken to people who've had these experiences? If you speak them, 193 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.600 you know you'll get a different perspective on it. You'll 194 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.480 see that these things are happening to people, and you know, 195 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:54.919 people deserve to be believed. Yeah. 196 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.879 Yeah, did you ever bring anything home with you on 197 00:10:58.039 --> 00:10:59.559 your investigations and did you have. 198 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:05.039 Rapically sorry, like an attachment you mean, yeah, yeah, that 199 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.240 kind of thing. I you know, I've never actually had 200 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:10.679 that experience, but I know that people have had that. 201 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.759 I know there was somebody who was I knew, who investigated, 202 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:18.440 in fact, had been over in the Holland, and when 203 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.759 she came back, this poltargeist activity erupted in a house, 204 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:25.960 you know, with things being thrown about, and this one 205 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.759 home for quite a period. Even the media got involved, 206 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.559 even the police turned up at a house to

try 207 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:34.039 and see what was going on. So I know that 208 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:38.000 this happens, but I it hasn't happened to me so far. 209 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:41.519 And you know, in a sense, I mean I wonder why, 210 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.879 because I've been in so many haunted places, you know, 211 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:49.200 potargeist activity places and so on, but I've never actually 212 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:53.440 brought anything home. I mean, I sometimes wonder if it's 213 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.279 just in a sense, you know, some people just have 214 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:59.759 that well like almost like a psychic ability. They're not 215 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:04.600 all off and somehow something attaches to that, you know, 216 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:08.080 knowing that these people have got psychic ability and maybe 217 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.919 they don't realize it themselves, you know, so they get 218 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:13.000 these attachments that that can happen. 219 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.960 Yeah, yeah, Well it's interesting because I've noticed, like you know, 220 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.000 when I've had my attachment, like it's definitely like my 221 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.639 psychic abilities or what we can call like my even 222 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:23.799 like psychic powers. 223 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:24.240 You know. 224 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.799 It's, uh, it's fascinating. I've been documenting everything, like I 225 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.399 I want to write a book about entity attachments when 226 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.720 this is all over, you know, like you know, the 227 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:35.879 do's and don't what to do, what not to do, 228 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:39.399 you know, Like it's uh, I'm learning a lot, you know. 229 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:42.159 I mean, I hate to be a test dummy for 230 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:45.600 my you know, but I mean I I figure I'm 231 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:47.799 in this situation, so I might as well make the 232 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:49.960 best of it, you know what I mean. And I'm 233 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.639 just trying to continue living like my life, like you know, 234 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:55.200 I'm trying to like still do I still do podcasts 235 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.559 you know, every day, and I like that's that's what 236 00:12:57.639 --> 00:12:59.720 I do for like my job, and I just I 237 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:02.360 just continue on like like like there were you know, 238 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:04.720 and and that's it, you know, that's all. It's all 239 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:07.840 you can do. You know. I would part of me 240 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:10.039 wants to like just like, you know, be miserable about it, 241 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:12.480 but you can't do that, you know, Like it's almost 242 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:14.960 like you have to just try to find ways to 243 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.000 clear it and get past it. But uh, it's fascinating though, 244 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.799 really it is how these things attached to us and like, 245 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:25.200 you know, it's it's really strange. But uh, what, out 246 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.039 of all the hauntings you've investigated in Scotland, which one 247 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:29.039 stands out the most? 248 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:32.759 Yeah, well, you know, trying to pin down what kind 249 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:37.960 of thing most Uh I found the most intriguing is 250 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:41.120 these ones in you know, castles where there's been a 251 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:45.200 lot of activity over the years, and there's been lots 252 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.159 of reports of strange activity. I need, I live near 253 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:51.000 Castle Still in Castles, and there's been a lot of 254 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:54.240 reports over the centuries of strange things happening, you know, 255 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.879 people actually dying with fright when being confronted by a ghost. 256 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:03.919 So when you get that kind of intensity of activity 257 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:08.240 and almost you know, sort of what can I say 258 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:12.039 as something that just seems to roll on over and 259 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:15.720 over the years, you do find that there's so much 260 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.279 evidence in these places and so much going on that 261 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.840 you think, well, you know, how can they not be ghosts, 262 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.879 how can they not be portogeist? You know, spent my 263 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:30.840 time with one chap in glasgowstein and Still and you 264 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.600 probably don't know the geography of Scotland, but it's about 265 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.320 forty fifty minutes away from where I lived. And this 266 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:38.879 chap had so much activity going on in his house. 267 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.080 It was absolutely the most strange stories. But he's so 268 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.919 believable and I do believe these things was happening to him. 269 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.639 And on one occasion, you know, he had this being appeared. 270 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.799 He said it was like an electric being, you know, 271 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.879 it's like flashing on and off. This being was actually 272 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.840 trying to get into his body, you know, and take 273 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.080 him over. So there was a whole pile of experiences 274 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:07.200 like that, and to me, I would I find that 275 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.919 quite fine, and just to think that you might be 276 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:13.679 in that situation where you're almost being persecuted by some 277 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.200 kind of

photoguist type spirit and I would certainly say 278 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:20.960 that was one of the most fighting experiences I'd had. Indeed, 279 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:24.120 had this gone on for quite a while, almost like 280 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:29.600 some kind of spirit or demon or whatever was pursuing him. 281 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:31.919 And the strange thing was, you know, he was actually 282 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:35.200 trying to get into contact with the spirit world through 283 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.720 he was doing kind of dowsing type stuff, and he 284 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.000 kept getting these messages which you'd written down and passed 285 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.320 over to me. There was a lot of them, and 286 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:49.279 what he was being told was, yeah, there are demons, Yeah, 287 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:53.320 there are evil spirits, but that the good spirits actually, 288 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:56.840 you know, they can control or they can stand up 289 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:02.279 to the demons and these devil type spirits so that, 290 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:05.600 you know, humanity, if you like, is always being afforded 291 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:09.159 some kind of protection from these other, if you like, 292 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.919 dark forces, you know. So I mean it's you know, 293 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:17.120 when you're involved in someone like that, it just becomes 294 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:21.399 fascinating just to see the you know, our world versus 295 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:23.799 you know, whatever is out there, and it can be 296 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.080 a real bottle sometimes for people. Yeah. 297 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:31.840 Yeah, you know you've written extensively about Edinburgh and Glasgow. 298 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.360 I have a story. So I was supposed to come 299 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.399 to Edinburgh a couple of years ago. I would there's 300 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.200 stands some like dance festival. It's like it's like a 301 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.720 like a techno you know, like a like a you know, 302 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:46.279 like a rave. I guess you would call it every 303 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:49.080 year in Edinburgh, And then I didn't know that it 304 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.960 was a really haunted place. Then my trip ended up 305 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.639 getting canceled. But like you know, I heard, I heard 306 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.840 it's an amazing city, Edinburgh, and it's it's very haunted. 307 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.279 You know, Well that's absolutely true, because you know there 308 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:09.359 are for example, there's a spent a night in one place. 309 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.319 Then there's like an old vote, it's called an old vote, 310 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.519 but it's like where there used to be shops back 311 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:17.960 in the eighteenth century there, you know, but they're built 312 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.680 on top of the shops, but the remainder of the 313 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:23.519 shops are still there. So I spent a whole actually 314 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.759 night there underground with a group of people, you know, 315 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.359 recording what was happening. And you know, when we developed 316 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:31.920 some of the stuff that we had, there was this 317 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.400 strange picture of an entity down there. And that's just 318 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.039 one place. There's a whole range of places in Livy. 319 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.400 But you know, if you're ever overrope, you'd love to 320 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:43.200 take you around and show you. I'm sure you know 321 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:46.079 a group of us would all these haunted sports you've got, 322 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:49.920 like Edinburgh as you've got Holyrood Palace, you know, all 323 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:53.680 places where a lot of hauntings have taken place. But 324 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.519 you've also got more modern bits, you know, because you know, 325 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:59.960 portal guys have turned out in modern houses as well. 326 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.240 So yeah, I mean, you know, come over and you'll 327 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:08.400 experience a real what can I say, carnu copia of 328 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:10.799 hauntings and poltergeist activity. 329 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.279 And where would you say the most UFO activity is 330 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:16.759 in Scotland? Like it does it vary? 331 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:20.359 Yeah? Well, I mean, as I think I mentioned to you, 332 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:23.759 I'm a colleague Malcolm Robinson, and I brought a book 333 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:28.240 recently about a village called bonnie Bridge, which has been 334 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:35.000 probably the most intense area for UFO reports in Scotland. 335 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.680 Yet there have been so many, I mean some people 336 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.519 have cleaned even thousands of uf reports in that area, 337 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:45.559 though there's some you know, the disagreement about how many 338 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:49.200 UFOs have been seen. So I mean there's been a 339 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.279 tense bit intense be in some areas, you know, I 340 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:57.359 mean near there's one of the most famous UFO encounters 341 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:01.319 in Scotland when a chap Bob Tailor, as a forestry worker, 342 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:06.400 he encountered this hovering UFO and the two spiky balls 343 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:10.960 came out of this spacecraft, rolled towards him and grabbed 344 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.920 him by the trousers and you know, he passed out. 345 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:18.519 Someone had knocked him out. And this got so much 346

00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:24.960 interest that the police came along and investigated because they 347 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:28.240 thought it may be being attacked. But he couldn't find anything, 348 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.880 and he always stopped at his story about being attacked 349 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:36.319 by these two spiky balls. And there are other cases 350 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.000 like that, you know, abductions round about this area. So 351 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.160 it's like in the center of Scotland, just just a 352 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:45.960 few miles outside Edinburgh, an area called West Audian where 353 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:50.759 there's been a whole plethora of UFO reports, you know, 354 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:54.640 sit and close up signs of spacecraft claimed alien abductions. 355 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:58.119 So it's a real hotbed of activity and it's still 356 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:01.039 going on. So yeah, could you be greetings if you 357 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:03.119 were over to take you there of can you find 358 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:04.160 you fascinating? 359 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.079 That would be cool. Yeah, I'd love to come over 360 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:09.240 there someday. One of the ones that I want to 361 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:11.279 talk about is something I've been hearing about since i 362 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:13.759 was a kid. I've read about in like monster books 363 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:17.119 since I was a kid. Is MESSI the Lockness Monster, 364 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:21.079 you know. I mean that's like that's like legendary over 365 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:22.880 here in the States, Like they used to have that 366 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.720 on show, like you know, it's supposed NeSSI sightings on 367 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:28.880 like Unsolved Mysteries and stuff back in the day, and 368 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:31.480 you know in sightings and stuff, remember those shows like 369 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:34.400 back in the nineties, like you know, And what are 370 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:36.759 your thoughts on MESSI and the Lockness Monster. Do you 371 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:38.720 think it's a real cryptid or do you think it's 372 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:41.319 just something that's been there forever, or do you think 373 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:42.240 it doesn't exist? 374 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:46.119 Or what do you get? Well, yeah, yeah, we'll always 375 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.480 writing a book about this whole thing. At the moment 376 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.960 of yeah, no, I've always been fascinated by the Lochness Monster. 377 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.440 My son lives not one of my sons lives not 378 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:57.359 far away from it, you know. So I was just 379 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:00.000 there a couple of months back, taking a look around, 380 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.880 and then you know, it is just a fantastic area 381 00:21:03.920 -->

00:21:05.920 of water. You know, when you go there, you can 382 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:10.640 just kind of feel this some kind of strange feeling 383 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:15.079 about it. There have been so many sightings of the 384 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.160 alleged monster that I am convinced, you know, there's something 385 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:22.319 going on now whether it's a real monster. I have 386 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:25.359 my doubts about it. And the reason why rob is 387 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:29.319 because despite all the investigation you obviously, has been going 388 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:33.359 on for nearly get off, for a hundred years now. Uh. 389 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.839 You know, people have been in there with boats trolling 390 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:40.319 the lot. They've sent submarines now, you know, and so on. 391 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:43.000 There's been a lot of investigation, a lot of you know, 392 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:46.400 some respect practic the whole life standing at the living 393 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:47.920 at the side of the lot, you know, trying to 394 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:50.839 see what was going on. But nobody's actually caughtant thing, 395 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:53.599 so to my mind, and a lot of people got 396 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.319 quite critical of me for this. We are there with 397 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:00.519 some kind of supernatural force again, you know, I mean 398 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:05.640 I think that there is some kind of supernatural creature 399 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:09.480 that is being reported. I'm sure people are seeing things, 400 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.480 so I mean, it's like, you know, big Foot yet 401 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.920 or whatever. But it's in the water, and just because 402 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:18.640 it's in the water doesn't mean it can't be another, 403 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.799 you know, supernatural creature. White people have seen so called 404 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:26.519 sea monsters as well, So that that is my view 405 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:29.400 of the situation. And you know, I said to people, look, 406 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:31.400 you know you're going around there, you need to be 407 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.240 careful because you could be stirring up more supernatural forces 408 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:39.519 simply by your involvement and trying to investigate something which 409 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:43.119 isn't a real monster, but it's a supernatural force which could, 410 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:45.799 if you like, be gaining energy for the amount of 411 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.759 interest people are showing in it. So yeah, I mean, 412 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.799 I I you know something's gone on there. And I'll 413 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:54.720 just mentioned you know there are other locks. I mean 414 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:57.759 I took a group of people up to another loch 415 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:03.039 called Loch Morak when I get there's been a monster, 416 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.559 for want of a better word, report for you know, 417 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:08.759 hundreds of years and the middicters of the deepest lock 418 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:11.720 in Scotland, you know, a thousand feet deep lockmoder And 419 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.359 so I mean, you know these are repults of these 420 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:20.680 strange creatures in locks in lakes you know lakes you know, 421 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.799 yet them in lakes in USA as well as you know. 422 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.880 So yeah, I'm sure there's something weird going on there, 423 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.519 but I think it could be a supernatural force rather 424 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.880 than a kind of flesh and blood, you know, unknown creature. 425 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:36.680 Yeah, I just wanted to show you this comment. This 426 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.000 is from one of the people who are watching right now. 427 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.960 Our name is raven. Tw She says, seems like there 428 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.119 are portals underwater. She says thinks she thinks like Bigfoot, 429 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:50.359 that these unassies and these these like monsters are like interdimensional. 430 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:52.920 Like so when these people were out, I would kind 431 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:54.960 of agree with her that, you know, or maybe they 432 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:58.200 can slip through dimensions somehow, because and we know there's 433 00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:00.519 a lot of interesting stuff about water too, you know, 434 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:02.640 like you know, someone said to me yesterday that water 435 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:05.440 is spirit, you know, so you know, like and you 436 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.200 can you can do a while with water. You can 437 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:10.480 like almost program water. You know, people say there's a 438 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.000 lot of interesting stuff with water. So like I can 439 00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:16.599 imagine water being somewhat supernatural to a certain degree, you know, 440 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:19.640 I don't, I don't know. But what I was saying 441 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:21.599 is like, you know, when these people probably go out 442 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:26.039 and like they troll or troll for NeSSI that it 443 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.559 probably just goes into another dimension because it doesn't want 444 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:31.599 to be seen or caught or whatever maybe something. 445 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:35.079 Yeah, no, yeah, I mean that would be my view 446 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:37.839 as well. You know that we're dealing with someone that 447 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:40.640 could be into a dimensional, could be popping in and 448 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.400 out of you know, another world or another you know, 449 00:24:43.720 -->

00:24:45.799 universal I mean, how did you explain it? You know, 450 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:49.640 you've got all these people report in sightings, and there's 451 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:54.119 thousands of sightings. You know, the last Well Council said 452 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.160 get on from there. Years they've been you know, videos 453 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:00.759 taken of something. But yeah, but yeah, nobody's caught anything. 454 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.240 And uh, you know even people actually spend some money 455 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:09.000 trying to catch it or trap this so called creature. 456 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:12.279 But I mean, you know, nothing's ever been caught. So 457 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.440 what can we say? You know, we say people imagine it. No, 458 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.440 I don't think so. So what we have to say, 459 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.920 I think is, look, there's something, as you said, inter dimensional. 460 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.480 It's coming in, it's popping in, it's popping out. You know, 461 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:28.759 maybe it will. Maybe it's just pure chance, you know, 462 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:32.559 when we get some into dimension then into dimensional kind 463 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:37.480 of contact and so that it comes in without even 464 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.759 knowing it's there. Or maybe it is some kind of 465 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:43.759 intelligent creature which is trying to pop in and out 466 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:47.640 deliberately for some unknown reason to us, but makes sense 467 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:50.960 you know, to other creatures. So yeah, to my mind, 468 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.599 that explains it. But I mean, to it's about it. 469 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.720 There's a lot of people feel exactly the opposite, and 470 00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.640 still I mean all those people today, meaning and as 471 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.039 I'm speak, can know you know, the people are offness, 472 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.680 you know, looking for the monster and trying to see 473 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:09.759 that it's real flesh and blood beast. There's a lot 474 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:13.279 of people who are convinced there's an unknown creature. Is 475 00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:15.359 just that we haven't been able to catch it. 476 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.119 Yeah. I was going to ask you about the back 477 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.039 to the fairies a little bit, like how far is 478 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:26.559 that going back? Because I know someone said that, you know, 479 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.160 I forgot to tell you this when we were talking 480 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.680 about fairies earlier that and you kind of mentioned this, 481 00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:34.720 But like I heard someone saying a podcast, I think 482 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.480 it was Cliff High he said something that like, you know, 483 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.279 you could time modern abduction accounts, like alien abduction accounts, 484 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.039 to these like Celtic stories of the fairies, because he 485 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.359 said in these stories that you know, these people would 486 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.359 be taken by the fairies, but they would be taken 487 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.759 in what would we call like a glend or a mist, 488 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.000 you know, as compared to being taken up in a craft. 489 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.359 Is that true? And do you see some correlation there? 490 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:03.079 Yeah? Absolutely, do do see a real correlation. And I'll 491 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:07.880 tell you one case that investigated rob which brings that together. 492 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.799 And this involved a ten year old girl. She lived 493 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:14.240 in a farm not far from a wood, and she 494 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.480 used to wondering the wood, you know, because it was 495 00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:20.880 like a local playground. And on this particular occasion, as 496 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.279 she was walking through the wood, she came across these 497 00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:29.559 small blue creatures, you know, like almost like a traditional 498 00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:31.839 fair if you like. I said, they were colored blue, 499 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.720 and as you know, blue is sometimes a sign that 500 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:39.720 you invented in a paranormal realm. So she was frozen 501 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.039 to the spot when these creatures saw and the next 502 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:45.480 minute a beam of light came down and she was 503 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.680 lifted up into what was like a spacecraft, what seemed 504 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.319 to her to be a spacecraft, where she underwent some 505 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.920 kind of medical examination and then she was being back down. 506 00:27:57.400 --> 00:27:59.880 You know, she ran home, and when she got home 507 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.880 parents were about to call the police out because you know, 508 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.000 she thought she didn't have been away for a short time, 509 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.759 but actually she'd been away for almost the whole day, 510 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.640 so obviously they were starting to worry about what had 511 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.440 happened to her. So and I just find that link 512 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.039 of you know, alien entityv like because I said she 513 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:23.599 was invested white because and looking beings and this traditional 514 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:28.440 fairy tale type aspect quite fascinating that this woman was, 515 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:30.839 you know what we call a social worker. You know, 516 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.599 she was looking after various people, you know, who were 517

00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.400 down on their appice kind of thing, and so and 518 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.799 she has she had a good job and surely told 519 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:45.640 me this story because twenty Adventures about thirty or was 520 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:49.160 because she was concerned about her daughter. She was asking me, 521 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.599 did I think her daughter would you know, go through 522 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.039 the same experience, be abducted if you like. And she 523 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.680 also felt she had some implant in her tooth, and 524 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.480 you know, I was concerned about that. But so, I 525 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:08.240 mean this idea, you know that if you like typical 526 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.759 fairy tale, traditional fairy tales from the past have some 527 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:16.200 link with modern alien UFO signs. Yeah, I mean, are 528 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:22.039 completely completely convinced that there is this this link between 529 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.920 these two traditions. 530 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:31.440 That's amazing. And what about second site or psychic vision, Like, 531 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:33.799 how does would you say that ties into the paranormal 532 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:34.920 reports that you get. 533 00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.079 Yeah, well, I'm going to think it can tie into it, 534 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.519 because you know, it's like some people just have some 535 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.480 ability to see into different realms, and you know, some 536 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.559 people are seeing spirits of the day. Other people are 537 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:51.599 seeing you know, other things like maybe alien entities. So 538 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.319 I think there's some kind of ability that some people 539 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:58.039 have to have these experiences. And it's possible that, you know, 540 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.839 that we all have that kind of ability, but it 541 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:06.440 doesn't necessarily get activated for one reason for another. You know, 542 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.680 maybe some of us just block it off. Maybe other 543 00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:13.319 people you know, find it stimulating or obviously they get 544 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.799 a lot of psychics and mediums with second sight can 545 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.000 see into the future. You know, there's a well known 546 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.440 individual in Scotland called the Brons here who made long 547 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.839 term predictions about things or stretching you know, hundreds of 548 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:30.839 years into the future. So I mean, you know, I 549 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.200 do believe that having that ability or some people with 550 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:38.119 second sight are seeing things that could be of any type. 551 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:42.960 They could be strange animals, strange creatures, they could be 552 00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:46.559 alien beings, you know, they could be ghosts, the whole thing. 553 00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.279 I mean, you know, it's difficult in how do we, 554 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:54.079 if you like, split up seeing alien etities from seeing 555 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:59.559 ghosts or seeing cryptid it's you know, it's it's strings 556 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.279 that people have all these expedience, yet sometimes the experiences 557 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.240 of the batter normal are quite different from other ones. 558 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.480 You know, It's it's interesting to speculate just why that 559 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:10.079 should be. 560 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:13.839 Yeah, I agree, I agree. 561 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:16.720 It seems like people can almost have like a like 562 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.880 a It seems like people the more psychic people are, 563 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.279 maybe the more they can peer into other realms, like 564 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:24.440 you know, like some people have to do it with 565 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.960 psychedelic you know, psychedelics, but then some people just have 566 00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:29.759 a natural ability to see. 567 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.359 I guess that's where you get like mediums and stuff, 568 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.039 you know, like you know, like psychic mediums they can 569 00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.759 you know, communicate with spirit and stuff like that. And 570 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:40.960 do you guys have a lot of famous mediums over 571 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.279 there in Scotland, Well, we've. 572 00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:47.000 Had, yeah, we've had various you know, mediums over the year. So, 573 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:50.119 I mean there's a chapter called Daniel who Hume who's 574 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.480 actually quite active in the USA back in the nineteenth century. 575 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:55.519 I think it was probably one of the most famous 576 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.240 mediums in the world to tell you. But we have 577 00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.680 a lot of folk cut the moment who you know, 578 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.960 have psychic ability and who have been if you like, 579 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.319 contacting spirits of the dead, you know, seeing ghosts, And 580 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.720 I mean I find that whole thing fascinating. I mean 581 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:17.200 to my mind, you know, the best, the best mediums 582 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.359 and the ones who give you details about things. You know, 583 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.359 you get a bit of generalization at time, but you 584 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.240 get some mediums who really can pick up a lot 585 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.039 of detail. So I feel that those people who can 586 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:33.359 do that are the

ones that you deserve some respect, 587 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:38.319 because it's strenuous to be doing that kind of thing, 588 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.759 you know, contacting spirits to dead trying to get information 589 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.119 for people. Yeah, so we've got a lot of people 590 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.519 involved in that kind of activity. I don't know if 591 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.640 we've got more than anywhere else in the world, but 592 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.519 you know, Scotland's just kind of hot bit of all 593 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:59.000 types of the supernational and namid spirit mediums. Is you 594 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.880 know one of that what of that grove? 595 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.440 Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Good Back to UFOs, do you 596 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.480 feel like the Scottish government knows more than it's reporting 597 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.599 on UFOs? And then I don't know how far you 598 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:16.799 guys are with like, you know, your own disclosure, like 599 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.119 you know, like over here in the States, we've had 600 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:25.240 some you know, disclosure meetings conferences with the government, you know, 601 00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.480 but they don't seem to be telling anything. And then 602 00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.480 you hear reports that you know, the government, our government 603 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.079 here in the United States has their own I mean well, 604 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.079 I mean it depends on how far into conspiracy you 605 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.359 want to go, because you know, we we here they 606 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.240 have the TR three B over here, and then we 607 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:44.880 hear that there's even a whole secret space program, you 608 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.119 know what I mean like that, you know, and and 609 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.119 depending on who you talk to, you know, they'll tell 610 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.920 you how deep they believe in it, you know, you know, 611 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.920 just so like let me ask you about that. Do 612 00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:00.839 you feel that the Scottish government has their own UFOs, 613 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:04.200 maybe even their own secret space program that's maybe tied 614 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.319 into the European Union or something like that, or you know, 615 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.320 like like a like a European conglomerate out in space 616 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.480 or do you feel that or do you at least 617 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.320 feel that they're there, that they have their own UFOs 618 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.440 or someone in Europe like if not, if not Scotland, 619 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:23.400 someone else in Europe. 620 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.920 Yeah. Yeah, well you know, we honest Romano. But trust 621 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.519 what any government says, you know, because only tell you 622 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.199 what they're interested in letting you know, so you just 623 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.440 never can be sure what's going on. I mean, like, 624 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.679 you know, we've got a Ministry of Defense, uh, you 625 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.280 know in the UK, and for years they said no, 626 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.719 they weren't interested in UFO sitence, and then suddenly the 627 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.800 Blue start saying, yeah, okay, we weren't interested in UFO siting. 628 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:57.039 So they're at least a fair number of reports that 629 00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:01.400 they've received. But ask yourself, is that what was really 630 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.360 going on? I mean, they're just you know, putting out 631 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.159 some of these, if you might, low level types of 632 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:14.079 UFO sightings and keeping all the really important stuff to themselves. 633 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.480 And I think that is what has been going on. 634 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:20.320 And I mean I do suspect that the government knows that. 635 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.239 Heck of our government, you know, there's a heck of 636 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:26.760 a lot more then they're letting on. I would say 637 00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:28.920 there's been a lot more disclosure, you know, just going 638 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.800 by what I've read and seeing on the television and 639 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.280 in the media, there's a lot more disclosure in the 640 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.199 USA than there has been in the UK, where there's 641 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.599 been general generally speaking, a bit more secretive US about sayings, 642 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:46.039 a bit less willing us to release stuff to the public. 643 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.000 So I wouldn't be surprised, you know, if there were 644 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.440 some kind of material or some even some kind of 645 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.519 technology that somehow the governments have got hold of, whether 646 00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.760 it's been getting voluntarily or whether they just covered it 647 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.199 by chance, you know, some maybe some UFOs landed somewhere 648 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.119 and they managed to get it, you know, I mean, 649 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.079 I don't know, but I do believe that there is 650 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:17.239 a real possibility that they're concealing or advanced technology from US, 651 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.760 or if they do have it, they're not revealing to us. 652 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.880 You know, just what kind of helium contact they might 653 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.559 have had to get this advanced technology. 654 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:30.199 Yeah, and then I was gonna say, what would be 655

00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.760 like one of the most famous like do you do 656 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:34.280 you know any do you know that have there been 657 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.559 any like supposed crashes over there? 658 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.320 Not in the not in the UK. No, we've never 659 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.840 had any reports of crashes. But I mean, as I said, 660 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:49.320 you know, we've never had any reports of crashes. I mean, 661 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:54.880 there's been obviously reports of landed UFOs UFOs that people 662 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.199 have been seeing close up, but there's never been any 663 00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:05.079 report that the government itself has got hold of crashed UFOs. So, 664 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.519 I mean, you know, like the Rosewell, I mean, there's 665 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:11.159 never been anything like that in the UK as far 666 00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.840 as we know now, I can't speak for the rest 667 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.800 of Europe. But as far as I'm aware, you know, 668 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:22.760 excluding excluding Russia, that I've never heard any unknown of 669 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.239 any indication that governments in the rest of Europe have 670 00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.000 actually managed to get hold of one. So I mean, 671 00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:31.639 you know, I don't know. I mean, there's so much secret, 672 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.639 secretness that goes secrecy that goes on, you know, in 673 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:42.519 governments across Europe, but it's very difficult to get a 674 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:47.440 lot of information about anything that, if you like, is 675 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.000 likely to be covered up. So yeah, I mean I'm 676 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.559 going to do things that you've said suggested there there 677 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.480 is a likelihood there's a lot more being held back 678 00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.719 from us, and you know, if we ever find out, 679 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.079 you know, just be by accident more than by design. 680 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.440 Well, there was the rentals incident that was ever in 681 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.079 the UK, that was in the bread London, right. 682 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:12.639 Yeah, that was in Yeah, I was in England. Yeah, 683 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.320 that was down south and that again, I mean that 684 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.039 was obviously quite a big incident, but it's become quite 685 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:23.519 controversial incident as you might know, with you know, some 686 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.239 suggestion at least one individual I won't name, made up 687 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.639 with complete story which was turned into our book, and 688 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.480 you know, then eventually withdrawn because of the report and 689 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.400 that gone into But you

know, something went on there, 690 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.519 no question about it, which involved you know, the US, 691 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:45.719 you know, yes forces there as as you know. But again, 692 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.639 did they recover something? Some suggestion yeah, they did recover something, 693 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.039 other people saying no, they didn't recover something. You know, 694 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.559 it's just all if you like confrontation. There just a 695 00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:01.199 set of strange things happening. So there's it's never never 696 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.760 been anything absolutely deffinite like that has been with Roosevelt 697 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:06.360 for example. 698 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:11.280 Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. And one thing that you have 699 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.119 over there that we don't have here is a lot 700 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.320 of castles, you know, and there are all of the 701 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.679 times they're very beautiful, you know, and you guys have 702 00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.880 them all over Europe, right, and can you talk a 703 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.800 little bit about the castles and have you ever been 704 00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.760 to some of them and are a lot of them haunted? 705 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:28.320 Yeah? Well a lot, Yeah, yeah, a lot of them 706 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.039 are haunted, you know. Yeah, I mean I've been around 707 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.000 quite a few classes. I mean, it's goot me full 708 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.480 of castles. You know, there's about half a dozen within 709 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.719 about ten fifty miles from where I live, and you know, yeah, 710 00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.280 every castle has got I mentioned selling castle. Every castle 711 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.280 has a story of some kind of haunting. It's rare 712 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:51.079 to find one that hasn't. But I suspect that is 713 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.760 just because they're so old. It's many people have died there. 714 00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:57.960 You can imagine all the tragedies. I mean, castles were built, 715 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.440 you know, for defense, but it was so there was 716 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.679 often battles or deaths round about them, you know, in 717 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.760 the castle itself. There's always stories of some kind of tragedy. 718 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.920 So yeah, I mean, you know, every castle has got 719 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:19.119 some kind of ghost story. And I I mean I 720 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.519 believe that these must be due to a whole range 721 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.199 of things that maybe took a place around there. I 722 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:29.320 mean I spent a whole day filming one particular castle, 723 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.360 you know, for a program back in the day. And again,

724 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.400 you know, I mean I was also interested, so I 725 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.559 used to do dowsing. I don't know if you dowsing, 726 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.400 you know there's any dowsing. ROW did dowsing on the 727 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.800 basis that you know, you can detect kind of strange forces, 728 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:50.320 and you know, you can go to a castle downs 729 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:54.199 you can pick up those areas where ghosts have been reported. 730 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.119 And I've done it, and I've got in Dowsing Roads 731 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:02.960 wondered about and said people, Yeah, that's right, that's where 732 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.440 something strange happened where we've always had a ghost report. 733 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.039 So yeah, as I said, Rob, you're ever over, you know, 734 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:14.800 more happy to show you around several castles where you can, Yeah, 735 00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:19.679 you can relive some of these ghostly experiences. Yeah. 736 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.000 And then one of my last questions were you is 737 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:26.639 what advice would you give the upcoming aspiring paranormal investigators, 738 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.199 especially in Scotland or even around the world. 739 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.480 Yeah, well, I'm going to think, you know, one, focus 740 00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.360 on what you're interested in, you know, mean, to start 741 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.960 off with what you're interested in, ghosts, porter geist. You know, 742 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:43.239 there are plenty of groups round about row wherever you live, 743 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.000 I'm sure where who'd be interested in having you with 744 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:50.440 them and speaking to people, speaking to witnesses or people 745 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.280 who have had experiences, you know. So it's kind of 746 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.880 take it one step at a time, you know. I mean, 747 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.480 if you're scared going into a house which being old 748 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.079 and staying overnight, you fr then maybe you know, I 749 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.800 should maybe look at doing some other kind of investigation 750 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:11.599 on that you feel suits you. So, I mean, yeah, 751 00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.199 I mean I would encourage you because I mean, there's 752 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.960 so much going on, There's so much more investigation that 753 00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.800 needs to be done. You know that. You know, really 754 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.199 the whole group of young if you're like folks the 755 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.719 day team on doing this, interested in the barn all 756 00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:35.159 and all, it's to come along and take part. You know, 757 00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.280 everybody's got something to contribute. 758 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:43.119 Yeah, yeah, I agree, that's what we well said. And 759 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.760 my last question is let me see my numbs. 760 00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:48.800 That was it. 761 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:50.480 Well, I mean I just kind of wanted to give 762 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.280 you the floor and see if there's anything you'd like 763 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.480 to share, or if you'd like to tell, you know, 764 00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:02.320 tell the audience or yeah. 765 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.119 Yeah, well, I mean all I would, you know, would 766 00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:04.559 say is look, you know, I've spent quite a long 767 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:09.559 time investigating the supernatural and the paranormal. I mean I've 768 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.960 never come up with any clear solution as to what 769 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.159 is going on. It's given me a lot of ideas, 770 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.719 you know, it's convinced me one if I ever had 771 00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:23.239 any doubts that there are supernatural forces out there, that 772 00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:27.400 inexplicable things out there, the things that science can't explain, 773 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.760 then that you know, I've come to the conclusion. Yeah, 774 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.840 all those things are true. There's something strange going on 775 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:39.000 out there in all its various forms. And you know, 776 00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:43.559 anybody who's god had any strange experience. I mean, you know, 777 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:47.079 don't be shy to talk about it. I know people feel, yeah, 778 00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:49.639 they're going to be picked out, or somebody's going to 779 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.840 laugh at them, or yeah, I've had that experience with people, 780 00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.000 you know. I remember one chap I was investigating. He'd 781 00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.079 seen a goblin. They'd come right up to him. He 782 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.159 had a good job, he was involved in sales, and 783 00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.159 he started telling people about the sacs and you know, 784 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:12.599 eventually people started laughing about him, and he realized, you know, 785 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.079 he was putting his job at risk. So yeah, you've 786 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.159 got to be careful, understand that. But I would say, 787 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:24.079 don't be scared of coming forward and talking about just 788 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.880 the people who you know will have an interest, be sympathetic. 789 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.639 Don't be scared but coming forward and talking about whatever 790 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.559 kind of supernatural, paranormal, weird experience that you've had. 791 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.320 Yeah, and I just had one more. I just wanted 792 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.320 to add this.

I know we touched on the one 793 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.199 case of the girl that got abducted, but did you 794 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.679 I didn't ask you this. Have you ever had. Do 795 00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.920 you do you get a lot of cases of abduction 796 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:54.400 or alien contact even up until recently or yeah, I 797 00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:56.079 was the scene where you were with that, like do 798 00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:58.079 you do you hear a lot of different stuff? 799 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.519 Yeah, I mean this is the one of the things, 800 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.760 one of the strange things I find. You know, we've 801 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.000 had when there's only five and a half million Scots 802 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.719 versus you know, two hundred million people in the USA. 803 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.840 But I mean, even so, we've had less reports of 804 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:16.039 abduction work ahead of the population than say the USA, 805 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:19.719 which is odd. We've had vast numbers of UFOUR reports, 806 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.159 UFO signs, but abductions, you know, we've had a few, 807 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:27.079 but a lot less. And you know we've had et 808 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.280 contact cases if you like. But again there's not been 809 00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.880 a not been a huge number. I mean I've investigated 810 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:39.079 a few over the years. Really quite strange about type cases. 811 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.360 But maybe I don't knowice whether because you know, in 812 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:49.159 Scotland there was less emphasis on doing hypnotic regression, you know, 813 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:55.440 using hypnosis to bring out details of encounters. I think 814 00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.599 there's been a kind of relux stance to go down 815 00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.119 that path and maybe if people been a bit braver 816 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:05.079 in doing that and trying to you know, when people 817 00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.320 say that in eat or they've seen a UFO, to 818 00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:11.880 actually put them under hypnosis and see if there was 819 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:15.039 more of the case then then at first sight maybe 820 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.039 would have got a bit more intense or more detail 821 00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.760 out of it. So yeah, I mean we've had these cases, 822 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.400 but not as not as many as I might have 823 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.079 expected given the number of UFO signings that we've had 824 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:28.840 over the years. 825 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.239 Yeah, that's amazing. Well, yeah, do you want to tell 826 00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.239 people how they can get your books and your website 827 00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:36.480 and all that stuff and thank you? 828 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:40.079 This was awesome, Yes, thanks for Yeah, sure, I mean 829 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.639 all well, most of the books are on sale on 830 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:47.800 Amazon these days, and that's probably probably the best place 831 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.920 to go to. You know, one of the some of 832 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.639 the older ones that out of print Unforselely, but are 833 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:57.719 still available is a download and almost all of all 834 00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.400 the most recent ones, as I said, but called the 835 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:05.039 Bunny Break bony Bridge sorry Enigma, Uh we just come 836 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.920 out just the last few days. That is available. It's 837 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:12.840 selling well hopefully so yeah, so you can get it 838 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.679 on Amazon. I think probably that's the best spot to 839 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:21.159 go from a books on I'm on Facebook obviously, yeah. 840 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.880 Yeah, and uh yeah and uh and and thank you 841 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:24.639 so much for doing this today, and I'd love to 842 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:25.960 have you back on again. 843 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.199 Rob I've really enjoyed speaking to just being you know, 844 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:33.039 absolutely great and yeah, I love talking about the subject, 845 00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:36.480 especially when it's speaking to some news also got a 846 00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.840 real interest in it and you know, had their own 847 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.719 experiences too, So yeah, I'd love to come back on. 848 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:44.559 All right, thank you so much, haven't I say? And 849 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.360 I was just gonna say before we end the show, guys, 850 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.239 remember to like sharing, subscribe. You know, I had to 851 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.760 start a new YouTube channel, so I'm trying to build 852 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.360 it back up. So if you like the content, subscribe, 853 00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.719 and if you found it beneficial, support the show if 854 00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:00.320 you can. There's links in description and uh please support 855 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.079 the gas get their books, and thank you everybody. Have 856 00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:04.760 a nice day, and thank you Ron. 857 00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:07.920 Goodbye bye, rob Bye.