บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ with Cheryl Elman

00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:29.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:37.600 So they went ahead and when they were in Australia, so some of that was going on in England before they moved. 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:46.879 And when finally they were in a school when she got Michelle back, and the teacher said, You know, I think there's wrong, something wrong with Michelle. 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:49.839 And and Joan said, You think? 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:58.480 So they tested her, and what they found is she had cerebral palsy, which was part of the clumsiness. 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:08.879 She had an IQ of about 45, and she had dyslexia and dyspraxia. 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:09.439 Yeah. 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:12.079 So that was part of the communication. 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:17.199 So now by now she was married to John and they couldn't do hypnosis on her. 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:19.519 They were trying to figure out how they can help. 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:29.600 And one day they were driving down this road, and all of a sudden, Michelle was in the back, and basically she knew the word no. 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.720 And there she was in the back, and she started getting all excited. 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:37.199 She goes, Ooh, ah, ooh, ooh, ooh, and she was just so excited. 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.600 And so, in trying to figure out what they were excited about, they just looked. 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:47.360 She was looking at an empty paddock, or what we call a pasture here in the States, and it was empty. 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.199 And so when they got home, and they just looked at her and says, Very good, Michelle. 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:52.560 And she was so proud of herself. 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:56.720 She was just sitting in the back there, you know, feeling so good about herself. 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:03.439 So they were sitting and talking that evening and going, What is it that she was reacting to? 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:13.680 And then they remembered it had been whether it was weeks earlier or a month earlier, but they had gone down that same road and there had been a circus. 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.800 And what was Michelle saying when she was looking? 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:23.759 She's going, Uk, erk, look, erk, you know, so she was actually trying to bring out those words. 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:28.000 And they started to think, yeah, she was remembering it. 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:41.120 And and so they started to think about it and go, Well, you know, she has a lot more knowledge and words and language underneath all that, you know. 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.560 And so they started to think, how could they work with her? 00:07:44.720 --> 00:08:00.240 So they started talking to her in her sleep, you know, and they started to, and over the course of the time, they started building up this foundation, and it started and it worked with her, and she ended up, she's still alive today. 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.360 She's in

her late 50s, I think, now. 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:12.480 And she actually she went to school, she she learned how there was a teacher there that was so so taken with her. 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:16.639 She taught her how to ride the bus, you know, the different routes. 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:18.639 She, you know, she was real clever. 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:27.040 The class went one day, they went to a cavern, and so she called Joan from the from the cavern. 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.399 And and and she's talking to her and telling her things. 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:32.159 And Joan's going, very good, dear. 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:34.000 This is costing a lot of money, though. 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:35.120 And she goes, No. 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:38.480 And I she goes, and she goes, why not? 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.879 And she goes, uh, collect. 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:42.879 She called her collect. 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:51.039 So so she, you know, so she really had a whole different life be based on it. 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:56.320 And she met a guy who also had special needs, but he was very high functioning. 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:58.080 And they'd been married all these years. 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:15.360 And I remember it was years ago they went on a cruise for their 25th anniversary, and he got so frustrated with himself because he he forgot, I think they were going to Singapore, and they had friends, family friends in Singapore, and and he forgot the paper. 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.799 He couldn't find the paper with the hotel and the people's names. 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:27.360 So I said, would you please just tell him, would you please tell him that I'm travel all over the world and I always forget that stuff too. 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:29.440 Don't beat yourself up. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:34.240 And so and so that's how sleep talk came about. 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:39.679 And it's been used in groups, it was used during the fires in in Australia. 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:51.360 You know, it's great whether you're working with parents, it's great for hypnotists, social workers, teachers, you know, to learn it to teach parents. 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:59.039 Because if you think about it, so many parents never felt unconditionally loved. 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:07.919 And if you don't feel unconditionally loved, then you don't know how to give it to the next generation. 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:16.320 Uh, it's similar to sexual abuse, physical or emotional abuse, you know, this lack of having somebody feel. 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:22.559 Right, but but not necessarily because from from a cruel point of view, but for because those people also are not loved. 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:40.080 So it was brought down the generations, and so this also, so if you could stop the stop it by teaching the parents sleep talk foundation and sleep talk and the process, and it teaches them communication. 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:46.080 The thing I love about it

is we sneak in the education on parents, you know. 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.519 I mean, they they end up growing so much for it. 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:56.159 And it changes when they're working with people at work, changes their communication skills too. 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:02.159 I like I like the thought that what we can do is I know we educate our parents, don't we? 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:22.480 We educate our clients that come in to see us, but I like I like it more, even more, because what we're doing is we're putting the onus back onto the parents to continue to do it at home rather than just spend the hour with us in you know in the therapy movement. 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:25.039 And it's great, and they can see that shift. 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:28.799 It might be a subtle shift at first, but they can see that. 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:34.720 And the minute they see that, that's when they think, oh yeah, this works, you know, like let's go for it even more. 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:35.519 Yeah. 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:41.840 You know, and I've had parents say to me, Oh, I talk to my children this sleep, and I said, Really? 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:42.559 What do you say? 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:47.840 My son, the doctor, my daughter, the lawyer, you're gonna get 100 on the exam tomorrow. 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:52.240 You're the most beautiful girl in the world, and no pressure there, right? 00:11:52.639 --> 00:12:03.759 So the whole concept is to give them emotional hugs, yeah, to give them and build this self-esteem and also emotional resilience. 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:11.360 And you're right, it gives that parent the fact that the child is sleeping, and you're giving them the words initially. 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:20.639 You're giving them, you know, because my husband, my my father-in-law is famous for teaching hypnosis to doctors and dentists and his book, hypnotherapy. 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:37.759 And my my husband, who just passed in August, but he was the little boy in the book that was the little boy that Dave did hypnosis attached to sleep with to help him with allergies, which actually came from a trauma, you know. 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.720 So he was able to really work with that. 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:46.240 And uh Larry was about 12 at the time, and then he said, Dad, don't do that anymore. 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.039 So he stopped, but it really did help. 00:12:49.279 --> 00:13:02.799 Uh so, but you know, here he was also talking to Larry in his sleep, and actually had Larry responding to him, but he was a hypnotist, he knew you know about how to use it. 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:04.879 So the parents are not hypnotized. 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.679 But the parents who come to you, exactly. 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:12.399 They don't need it isn't necessary to be able to have that kind of thing. 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:17.200 Correct, because there's a foundation that they start with, right? 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:22.559 You

know, that that that moves it along, and then there's also assessments. 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:30.240 So you get to see where the the they're they're taking a snapshot of where that child is at that point. 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:45.679 Or is it really is it fact, or is it it's that parents, what you're getting that snapshot is that parents' emotional thoughts of those questions that day, that time, and how they how they respond to it. 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:52.080 But how do children and of course the parents feel so much more confident in being parents, right? 00:13:52.399 --> 00:14:16.000 Because somebody can so they see where the children are starting at, and then you know, we do this assessment about three times over a period of six months, and you see the growth, and then you build statements with the parents built on what what things still need to be worked on, and at the same time, you're also teaching parents how to build those statements. 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.720 So these are things that will last a lifetime for the parents and for the children. 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:22.000 Yeah, exactly. 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:23.679 I totally agree with you. 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:34.559 When I was training, before I actually did my hypnosis training, when I was training to be an LP practitioner, that's the first thing that I did. 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:38.320 My youngest grandson came to stay with us. 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:43.039 He has an older brother who's two and a bit years older than him. 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:55.840 And of course, the older brother was my oldest grandson wasn't in nappies, pull-ups, or anything like that, whereas my youngest one was, and he's he wanted to be like his brother. 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:01.039 He really wanted not to wear his pull-up or his diaper at night time. 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:16.320 So I did what I didn't know it was sleep talk, but I did that so it would have been 12, 13 years ago, and I went into the room, spoke very, very gently, and it was all positive. 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:22.960 It was like an affirmation, really, positive things, you know, like nana loves you, pops loves you, mummy loves you, dad loves you. 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:43.200 Exactly what sleep talk teaches us to do at the foundation level, but also said to him, when you wake up tomorrow morning, imagine how it would be to stay in bed, yeah, that little bit longer because you're dry and you can cuddle woo-woo, which was his toy. 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.720 And we did it, I did it for three nights. 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.879 The first night, not really, but the second and third, yeah. 00:15:51.200 --> 00:16:03.279 And it was just, and I and I thought, well, if you think about it, what we do is years and years ago, you would go out and buy a recording that you could listen to while she sleep. 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:09.519 So, what's the best time for it to sink straight into the subconscious mind without question? 00:16:09.679

--> 00:16:11.279 Is when they're asleep. 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:18.960 Yeah, you're bringing them up slightly and so that they're hearing you, and then you're putting them back down and you're telling them to stay asleep. 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.039 So it's it's really lovely. 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:21.600 Yeah. 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.559 And yeah, it's it's great. 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:34.320 So, and that uh I think a lot of families have sibling rivalry, and it's really good for working with sibling rivalry in the family. 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:52.399 Oh, do you yeah, have you ever had Les when you you have a c a client that comes in and they have one child that they feel has all the issues, but they also have other children, and then because we tell them that if you're gonna do it with one, do it with all of them, right? 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.679 And so it was so interesting. 00:16:55.840 --> 00:17:04.720 One of the first ones I did, there were three kids, and one of them had meltdowns all the time, and they didn't feel there was really any issues with the other two. 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:24.720 Well, it was as the one that they had it uh with was improving and not having the all those meltdowns, all of a sudden they started to see behaviors in the other two children, you know, it which were just they didn't notice before. 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:26.480 That was interesting. 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:27.279 Yeah. 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:34.559 Well, I'm I'm what percentage of your clients are sleep talk and what are more traditional hypnosis, do you think? 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:42.000 Is it something you you see people for a few times a year, or or is it a large portion of what you do? 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:44.960 It is part of what I do. 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:50.880 As far as my training, I probably train I train in both. 00:17:51.119 --> 00:18:00.799 So a lot of a lot of my stuff that I do is training, because when I came into this, it was like Dave Ellman is not known everywhere in the world. 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:11.839 My goal was to keep the legacy and build the legacy of Dave Ellman and his and his protocols, which are very, very good. 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.480 I mean, he taught doctors and dentists. 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:17.440 So I do a lot of training and I do training with both. 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.920 Like I have a sleep talk class coming up. 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:24.880 I'm one of class that Larry and I did uh before. 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:28.559 We have coming up through Allie Campbell's school. 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:35.200 We worked a lot with Allie over the years since COVID, taught I think five classes for him. 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.000 Larry and I, they were like three-month classes. 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:47.839 So I would say I do more hypnosis and and and teaching, I probably teach, I teach both. 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.000 So I I can't give you a percentage, Lisa, actually. 00:18:52.559 --> 00:19:01.279 So the course is I think Jody and I are gonna be doing a talk about it on the 19th of April. 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:10.720 Okay, and then but the class is gonna be the last weekend in May and the last weekend in June. 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:12.960 And I will hold it. 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:17.759 I actually it is it's a very good tool to use, and all three of us use it, don't we? 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:18.559 It's a very good tool. 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:20.240 Yeah, it's excellent. 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:21.680 And you know what? 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:33.759 Uh it's also opens up there are you know, especially beginning hypnotists when they go and try to get like talks or go into schools or churches, a lot of them, you know. 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:43.599 I I'm in I'm in Southern Baptist area down here, and it's like hypnosis, but the the sleep talk is interesting. 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:49.440 You know, in fact, my license plate says sleep talk, and the other car says D E hypno. 00:19:50.480 --> 00:20:04.880 So um uh so the fact is that that they will that they you they could go in and talk to groups, you know, parent groups, schools, teachers. 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:09.839 You know, think about think about uh Les, do you do things with corporations? 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:10.799 No, I don't. 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:16.880 It's mine's mostly with schools and uh and children and parents and social services. 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:18.160 Right. 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:33.599 And then if you think about it, if you think about when parents are having issues with the kids at home, whether it be sibling rivalry, whether it be, you know, different issues that the children have, they're what what happens? 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:42.240 They go to work and they're talking about their kids to their workers, they're stressed, they're getting phone calls, they're not concentrating. 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:58.640 So it could also become a benefit to uh for a human resource benefit to teach their you know parents, get give it as an option for them, and that will help them be more focused in work. 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:07.279 And remember, we snuck in that education, so they're learning what's good statements to say, you know, what's effective communication. 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:11.039 So all of a sudden they have better teamwork also. 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:12.079 Yeah. 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:18.160 So you you mentioned before about you said that not everybody knows about Dave, Dave Elman. 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:30.000 Today I was talking to one of my clients' mum's, who she's an NLP, she uh studied NLP, so she knows Ali Campbell. 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:35.440 And I said I was doing the podcast tonight, recording the podcast tonight with yourself. 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:40.240 I said, and we're talking about sleep talk and we're talking about you know other things. 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:43.759 And and she said, Oh, she said that sounds

fantastic. 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:47.200 So I said, Well, I said, let me tell you who Cheryl is. 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:52.480 So I told her who she you were, and she went, Oh, she said, I've got Dave's book. 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.359 She said it was amazing, absolutely amazing. 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:59.680 So, so this is this is a lady who who brought her toad. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.480 In to see me, and she's got your book. 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:08.480 But she she did some and I think it was NLP training with Ali, so she knows Ali as well. 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:09.680 So yeah, right. 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:12.079 That was and Allie mentions us a bunch. 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:13.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:13.359 Yeah. 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:16.640 Do you remember when that book was first published? 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:20.720 Yes, it was first published, and it had three different titles. 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:22.319 It had three different titles. 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:27.839 The first title was let me think, Findings in Hypnosis. 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:29.519 And Dave published it. 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:32.480 And then that was in 1964. 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:45.200 When he passed away in 1967, my mother-in-law, Pauline, gave it over to a publishing company called Nash Publishing. 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:52.000 And you know, she still had the copyright and stuff, but you know, they were going to distribute and and you, you know, the use. 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.240 And but they she didn't feel that they were really marketing it. 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:00.480 So and they had changed it to explorations of a hypnosis. 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:13.359 And then in 1977, Gil Boyne from Westwood Publishing contacted my mother-in-law and asked if he could uh publish it. 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:18.799 And so he has the use, Westwood Publishing has the use and distribution. 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:30.079 And so he and and so he was originally, it was supposed to be that it was going to be called hypnoanalysis and hypnotherapy, right? 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.279 But he only called it hypnotherapy. 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.039 And so, and it got shortened, it never got the dust cover. 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.839 So basically, the inside of that was all the same. 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.240 Back then they used metal plates, you know. 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:51.519 So when so those metal plates from went from 300 some odd pages, went from this publisher to this publisher to that publisher. 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:56.319 I was in printing years ago in New York in the 80s. 00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:01.759 And then so the thing that changed was the forward, you know. 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.400 So the first one was by Dave. 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:09.839 I don't remember who who wrote the second one, and the third one was Gil Boyne. 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.119 Gil added an index. 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:18.640 Dave never put in

an index because he wanted people to read it cover to cover. 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:23.759 But it makes it so much easier as a reference to be able to look things up. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.400 So he added the index at the end. 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:32.240 And so there were little changes, but the the bulk of it stayed the same. 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:35.440 And it's funny, you know, what came up yesterday, Jason Lynette. 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:40.559 I was working, and I don't stay on Facebook very often, but he says, Cheryl, are you here? 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.279 And so I went to look at my attention. 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:44.000 I told you. 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:45.519 Oh, you did see that? 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:46.319 Yeah, I did. 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:52.000 And so what happened was they were discussing who started hypnosis for smoking. 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:54.400 And so several people said Dave Elman. 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.640 That's why he said, Cheryl, are you here? 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:58.640 So I told the story. 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:02.880 Dave Elman was an avid smoker, heavy smoker. 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.279 And he was also really good. 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.839 Well, the 40s and 50s, that nobody considered it a strange thing to do. 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:18.319 You could so when you listen to the recordings, when you listen to the recordings, you're hearing who was he teaching? 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:23.839 Doctors and dentists, and you hear them all they're all smokers, you know. 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:40.400 And so what happened was that Dave tried using self-hypnosis to stop, you know, it's a habit, so he was trying to get rid of it, but he really didn't want to stop smoking, you know, so he said, This doesn't work. 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:50.160 So we went in when he was teaching his classes and told the doctors, you know, the the one thing that does you can't get rid of, the one habit you can't get rid of is smoking. 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.519 And so and so he had them too. 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:54.480 Right. 00:25:54.640 --> 00:26:01.039 So so he then had some of his students, the doctors, work on him to stop smoking. 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:02.880 And did it work? 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.519 No, because here we had Dave not wanting to stop smoking. 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:16.319 We he already gave the doctors the expectation that it's not gonna work, so they didn't have confidence in the process either. 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:25.119 And you know, they didn't come up with the the post-hypnotics that would really do it, and so it just didn't work. 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:26.559 So I put that out there. 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:39.839 And so, you know how many times we've been at conferences and people come running over to Larry, your dad made a mistake, your dad made a mistake, and whenever we would talk and we would say, How many people here make a living working with smokers? 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:53.200 You know, and people will laugh, you know, raise their hand, I said, Well, you know, and then we bring up that story that so that's the one thing he wrote right in his book, the one habit that it does not cure is smoking. 00:26:54.079 --> 00:27:03.920 Uh now, how did I get into hypnosis 16 years before Sean Michael Andrews stuck my hand to the table in my head when he was coming to interview Larry? 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:12.640 16 years earlier, I went to somebody in New York, and I don't know who it was, I don't remember who it was, and got hypnotized to stop smoking. 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.000 And I never smoked again, and I was two to three packs a day. 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:17.200 Never smoked again. 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:18.240 So I knew it worked. 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:19.359 Yeah, me too. 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:19.920 Yeah. 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:25.440 I gave up smoking through hypnosis, but mine, Cheryl, mine was completely different. 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.000 I uh I was a model when I was a student. 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:38.640 So when we were learning hypnosis, I was a smoker, not a very heavy smoker, but a smoker still. 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:44.880 And one of the students said to me, It's smoking cessation weekend next weekend. 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:46.240 Can I practice on you? 00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:49.680 And I went, Yeah, thinking, well, let's see. 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.920 Never thought about wanting to give up smoking. 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.960 Well, I have tried before, but it's never worked. 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.440 And I've never smoked since. 00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.359 Never, never smoked. 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:04.720 Don't it there's nothing at all, it doesn't interest me or anything. 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:06.720 So I know it works. 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:07.599 Yeah. 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:08.880 So it was interesting. 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:20.000 It was one of the first classes Larry was teaching, and uh, my friend Stephanie and I did had my friend, another friend of mine who was taking the class. 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:24.559 She did not really want to stop smoking, but that I knew of, she was the only smoker. 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.160 I said, Well, let us demo on you. 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:31.119 And the two of us did a double induction and and sort of did a double thing on her. 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:36.880 She was very ex uh Ericksonian and I was very hypnot Al Manian in our approaches. 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:50.559 She, of course, did not stop smoking, but it was like a year or two later, one of the other students in the class said, By the way, since you and Stephanie did that thing for Jan, he goes, I've never smoked since. 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:52.880 I must have wanted to deep down inside. 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.720 Yeah, deep down inside, I must have wanted to give up. 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.079 I've had no inclination whatsoever. 00:29:00.160 -->

00:29:10.960 And it's one of the furnace, the furthest things from my mind, and it's probably one of the best things that that particular student, and then with any that particular student did for me, definitely. 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:16.640 But just before, in case does anybody brand new to the idea of hypnosis who's listening here? 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:24.960 Generally speaking, people that want to make change, it has to be the client's wish to change, strong wish to change. 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.279 Yeah, otherwise we don't have magic ones, they'll be saying something else. 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:32.799 I do, Cheryl. 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:33.680 I do. 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.599 Oh, you're cute. 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.440 Oh, when you work with children, you work with children too. 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.039 And so the toys at the back as well. 00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:45.200 It's very consensual. 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:50.960 You know, also people will say, Oh, you do hypnosis, are you gonna make me bark like a dog and cluck like a chicken? 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.440 And I look at them and go, I don't know, do you want to? 00:29:53.599 --> 00:30:00.559 You know, and and I mean, because if you want to, we could do that, but you know, but no, that's not my thing. 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:06.640 Yeah, is that what you come in here for to cluck like a chicken and not stop a fear or a phobia? 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:07.839 Yeah, yeah. 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:08.640 Yeah. 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:14.000 But but how do you how do you how do you advertise your business? 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.000 It's another thing. 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.319 I've completely dropped off of Google. 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.519 I checked today, and uh, used to be number one in the area. 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.920 So if I look for something near me, I was not first not there anymore. 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.640 People I've never heard of who are in Delaware. 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:30.720 I'm I'm interested. 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:32.720 How do you publicize your work? 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:46.799 For a while, I I was doing something with keywords at one point, and I was paying a company to do keywords, and then also, you know, my my website got switched, so uh it's still being built. 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:52.400 Jason Lynette is building and changing it, and I'm learning click funnels, which is wonderful. 00:30:52.559 --> 00:31:04.240 I mean, it's hard, it is hard, but but when uh but I'm learning, and so I chose, so I chose somebody because I've had my website worked on but over the years. 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:10.319 I built the original, and then when I went to WordPress, I had I think four or five different people do it. 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:27.920 But if you get somebody who knows websites but doesn't know hypnosis and the jargon in hypnosis and keywords, and then if they don't know marketing and all they're doing is putting a sign up basically, and you know, put it up and they will come is not necessarily it. 00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:35.920 So one of the reasons I started working with Jason Lynette was because he does all three and he's very good at click funnels. 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:43.119 And we know we definitely know yeah, not only does he know hypnosis, Larry and I talked with him jointly several times. 00:31:43.599 --> 00:32:12.319 So he knows Al Manian and he knows us, although he loves to tell the story that the first year I was had a booth at NGH, my first conference, and I had a booth there, and I he came by and I was trying to sell him this video DVD set that Sean Michael Andrews had produced, and it had some it had Sean doing some hypnosis on the second disc, and the first one was an interview between Larry and and Sean Michael Andrews. 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:18.160 And so I was sitting there and he looked at me and he goes, and and I kept saying, Well, this is a really good set, etc. 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:20.880 And he goes, Have you watched it? 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.519 And he kept saying, But have you watched it? 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.720 He was a key person as as as a volunteer in the in it. 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:36.640 So he loves to tell that story, but so since then, you know, um we and he used to be close, so I had the key to his office. 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:55.200 So when I was going through Washington, DC, or Northern Virginia, and I had the dog in the car, and Larry and I wanted to go to a restaurant, and it whether he was at his office or not, I'd let Rosie, my little poodle, who would go traveling with us, she was the one I used to hypnotize, sleep. 00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:03.920 And so I would put him her in the office, and she had been there many times for us teaching there and meetups and stuff. 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:12.400 And and so, because there were times that he came in and he'd see Rosie up on the back of the couch going, Oh, the Elmonds must be in town. 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.359 So I had the uh key to his house. 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:18.319 Uh I mean to his office, which is funny. 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:22.640 He told me I could throw it away now because his newer office he he sold the building. 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.000 So uh something. 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:31.839 I had the pleasure, I had the pleasure of meeting him at the UK hypnosis convention last uh November. 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:33.279 What a gentleman. 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:35.279 He's got a lot of energy. 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:36.240 Yeah. 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:39.200 Yeah. 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:48.400 So and so I'm now building it, and and the goal, my goal is that we are going to, in fact, I've thought of it. 00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:57.920 I think in building this, and we're gonna do some online courses, and we're having a you're out there and you're a hypnotist and you want to attend April 21st. 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:05.759 We're going to have it's

my anniversary, it's our anniversary, and my husband passed away August 26th. 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:15.199 We're still waiting, it's about a 15-month wait to have him have a military funeral up at Arlington Cemetery. 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:24.159 So, so we're gonna do a we had a little neighborhood thing originally here, and we're gonna do a celebration of life. 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:30.639 And Larry used to love telling stories, and I think that's something people really loved about him. 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:40.239 If you got to meet him, and he and during his teaching, he loved telling stories, and he was a retired Air Force Colonel and aeronautical engineer. 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:59.679 If anybody wants aviation and history books, I have 23 bookcases, so I am working on selling some, giving some, and you know, so it's it's a good thing we I I we were never gonna downsize because we have 23 bookcases and that would break his heart. 00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:24.239 I forgot where oh, so I'm going to have people from all different walks of life, like Allie, Sean Michael Andrews, probably Jason, and I'm going through some relatives, some people from the military, and so to do each of them like maybe five to seven minute stories, a story of a story with them and Larry in some way. 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.360 And so we're gonna be doing that. 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:35.920 I'm not sure if it's gonna start at 3 or 3:30 to 5:30 on the 21st of April, which would have been our 24th. 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:37.199 24th. 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:44.239 We got married in 2002, our 24th, and online also, and that will be on Zoom online. 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:53.840 Wow, so and that will actually become part of a legacy, and it'll be a landing page, and there'll be cutouts, and so that'll be there. 00:35:54.000 --> 00:36:01.199 So, my goal is even past my lifetime to have this website stay, leave, leave some money to keep it. 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.360 The Alma legacy continues, yeah. 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:22.559 And I also want to let you know that I had done three, you spoke at you each spoke at one of the conferences that I did online Zoom conferences with 86 speakers each year, and I did three of them, and so one of them is already on the website, and we're gonna figure out what you know how to do it. 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:26.079 And well, it's time consuming to put all that on there. 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:45.199 But instead of doing that now, every month, I'm doing I have the Elmond Cafe, which is we had three rooms, and then we had the Elm Cafe, which was like going to the alligator bar or the coffee shop when you're at conferences, because that was really where you got to meet people and network. 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:50.639 That was what we all missed from yeah, but we missed from going to live once. 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.360 That was how you got connected with people. 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:54.480 Right. 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.239 So

so people should go and visit with each other and a cup of coffee. 00:36:58.480 --> 00:36:59.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:36:59.360 --> 00:36:59.679 Right. 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:06.880 So so now I have uh now working on two to three a month that will be in there. 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:14.880 So and it's free, and you guys should it's cafe.elmanhypnosis.com. 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:16.000 Yeah. 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:31.840 Is it only hypnotists, or is this also a means of no there are things, there are things like Victoria Gallagher did something on you know getting rid of money blocks, so that could really be with anybody if you do the session. 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:51.920 Adam Cox from the UK spoke last month, uh, this past month also, and he spoke about he did two, he did a double feature, and he he did one on his induction, and that's and then the second one he did was using podcasts, yeah. 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:57.599 Whether you attend them, speak at them, uh create them, and so he did two. 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.519 There are talks, Karen Hann did one that was more L N LP. 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:03.920 So there's 14 of them already available. 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:09.039 So when you join, there's many as recordings. 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:09.679 Okay. 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:11.760 They're available as recordings. 00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.000 There's not a oh you missed it, sorry. 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:24.320 You can see so once you join the cafe, you get the you get access to the cafe, the cafe replay vault. 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:34.559 And so, and right now there's 14, some from last year, you know, and some from this year, and we and continuing to go forward. 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.960 So there'll be, and so it's a it's a library that keeps continuing. 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:40.239 Oh, that's lovely. 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:41.280 Yeah, that's lovely. 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:44.320 Check out the show notes, people. 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:45.519 Yeah, yeah. 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:46.559 Absolutely. 00:38:46.880 --> 00:39:01.920 So for the sake of uh our listeners who are not hypnotherapists, sleep talk is isn't done you like we we did mention before that you don't need to be a hypnotherapist in order to deliver sleep talk. 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:09.679 So can you just within a few sentences, can you just explain what sleep talk is for our listeners? 00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:15.519 So sleep talk, I uh I do two things. 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:31.679 I work with parents, okay, and we teach parents to talk to their children two to three minutes a night during their sleep to build their uh uh the child's emotional resilience and and to ego strengthening. 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:40.239 And we also do assessments with the parents and see where what areas the child needs growth in. 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.639 And it's like 41, you know that assessment. 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:48.000 I know a lot of psychologists that started using it because it was

such a good assessment. 00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:58.960 It's like 41 different aspects that your the parent is giving you a a score of how they think and feel about their child on that issue. 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:00.480 So that's very helpful. 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:24.239 And then they you teach them the foundation and you teach them about sleep talk and about communication, and there's a variety of things that you're they're learning, and then there's a feedback where you're going back and forth with them and finding out what's changed, you know, what's improved, what's different, you know, and and we always say if you're gonna do with one child, do it with all. 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:25.920 And I have a story about that. 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:31.920 There was a nurse, and and the woman said she only wanted to do it with her younger son. 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:39.360 And then she called, the mother called and said, My son is being uh the 12-year-old was getting suicidal. 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:55.920 And and so, and and I think she had done hypnosis on him before, so she brought him in, and what she found out that the kid was so upset with is my parents tell my brother that every night that they love him, but they don't tell me. 00:40:57.760 --> 00:40:58.159 Right? 00:40:58.480 --> 00:40:58.960 Oh, yeah. 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:06.559 So if you're gonna do it with one, do it with all of them, and it's only gonna improve everybody's relations and make it a happier family. 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:08.400 So that's one aspect. 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:18.239 So I do parent programs, I could put together groups, I can put together or do it singly, and then I teach the sleep talk. 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.960 I now call it sleep talk specialist. 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.280 I train professionals. 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:39.920 I mean, I it could be a somebody in school, a teacher, a social worker, somebody that wants to work with with doesn't want to necessarily work with children, but wants to help families. 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:51.199 But then again, you know, if you're working with if you're working with adults and the adults have issues with the kids, you know, nothing's changing there. 00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:53.280 So it's still gonna be. 00:41:53.440 --> 00:42:03.760 And if you're working with kids and there's no changes in the environment from the parents, then you can work and and and help them keep going as long as you like. 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.800 What you can keep going as long as you like, nothing's gonna change. 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.039 The people they're living with need to change. 00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:12.159 Exactly. 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:17.360 So so this way there's you know, a change. 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.920 So there have been parents that have then become consultants or specialists. 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:34.880 There are people, it's great for hypnotists and psychologists, psychiatrists, teachers, anybody, church, uh, people within the church, camp directors. 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.199 I mean, it could be done in so many different ways. 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:45.519 Uh, nurses, hospitals, it could be done from with foster kids, you know, it could be uh that would be great to help. 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:46.000 Yeah. 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:52.639 The only thing you need, you need to have a prolonged, they're gonna be working with them for months. 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.960 No, it's not come in, we'll do this thing and then it's all over. 00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:01.039 This is a pro progressive thing that happens. 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:01.679 Right. 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:07.920 So so let's say it's a foster kid and and they're in this foster family and they're going to another foster family. 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:14.960 Wouldn't it be nice if the foster, the foster social worker then teaches it to the next family? 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:22.559 And then sometimes there has to be adjustments in what's being said because you know, families have different structures. 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:30.159 Beryl Comar had a family when she was in Dubai that had several mommies, and they all wanted to do it. 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:35.280 So was mommy one, mommy two, mommy three, you know, everybody wanted to do it. 00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:36.639 Who do you mention? 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:45.280 You know, you you don't want a child to feel just because let's say one of their parents is not there, that that parent doesn't love them. 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.199 Yeah, because then they feel like there's this hole in their heart. 00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:57.119 So for so there's all different ways and uh of of working with the child and with the family. 00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:57.760 Yeah. 00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:21.280 I um I have a I Young boy at the moment, but parents are delivering uh foundation sleep talk, and the but the parents are divorced, but mum delivers exactly the same as dad, and dad is mentioned in mum's, and mum is mentioned in dads, so that's no dad, yeah, there's no difference whatsoever. 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.199 And that they're quite happy to do that, right? 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:29.199 And then they're not necessarily a so-called broken home. 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:37.039 It's not necessarily a broken home situation, but there's there's a lot of reasons that parents may not be in the house every night. 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.519 Yeah, so it does it dad works. 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:48.559 If dad if dad works long hours, or like you said, if dad works away, or even mum works away, and you know, it's it's it's about that give and take, isn't it? 00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:50.480 And I think delivered. 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.679 Have you ever worked with anybody who's used it at nap time with little children? 00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:58.719 I I I suggest that. 00:44:58.880 --> 00:44:59.920 I do suggest that. 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.280 I

have suggested that to some people when their child that they're afraid to wake them up at night. 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:06.639 So I said, do it during nap. 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:06.880 Yeah. 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:11.760 They're afraid they're afraid they're gonna fall asleep halfway through because they're so tired themselves. 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:17.760 No, no, or that they're afraid that you know the child wakes up and then doesn't go back to sleep. 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.280 And, you know, so that could be it. 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:31.760 And you know, going back to also when when it's parents, you know, I've had it where I know originally when I learned it, somebody had said, Oh, you got to do it every night. 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:42.880 And then I've told parents where it was only one parent doing it, the other one was not doing it and didn't would didn't want it, and or you know, there was not enough communication there. 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:52.960 And I said, you know, if if that child is hearing that three times a week, you know, nothing, four times a week, it's better than nothing, you know. 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:58.400 And and also, you know, you start saying some of the same vocabulary during the day. 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:09.599 So going back to when they first started doing it with Michelle, one day Michelle came down for breakfast and Joan said to her, Good morning, darling. 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:10.159 How are you? 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.320 And she just looked and cocked her head like this and went, Happy. 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.440 So it was one of the words she heard during her foundation statement. 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:30.239 And and it was, you know, so her vocabulary was growing and into more, and she was eight years old when they finally got the diagnosis of what was going on with her. 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.320 You know, and so it's it's a great process. 00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:42.400 It's great for building families and for building character and communication in adults and children. 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:43.360 Yeah, yeah. 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:49.760 I think another place to tell about this are pediatricians' officers. 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:55.599 Pediatricians have all sorts of mothers in telling them, I can't get any sleeping bunch of them. 00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:56.239 We're gonna sleep. 00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:57.360 My kids are up all night. 00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.280 That's all sorts of reasons, don't they? 00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:00.239 Yeah. 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:12.480 Another good thing is going to going to daycares and preschools and doing a little program, a free program for the parents about, you know, a little talk for 20 minutes or so. 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:17.039 And that's also a way, maybe even putting that into a group situation. 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.400 So if they can't afford, you know, one-on-one that they could afford as a group. 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:22.719 Yeah. 00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:24.400 What did Sheila say? 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:36.960 Liz and I have we're in a group with Sheila Granger, and did she say she does for groups about 25% of her fee for private individuals? 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.480 So there's a way of doing it that we've been taught. 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.280 And we teach how to do it as a group. 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:43.679 Yeah. 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.360 So that's also good. 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.079 Another thing is going to schools. 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:57.360 You know, the school guidance counselor, they're the ones that, you know, that they would love to have families that those kids are always in. 00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:05.360 You know, I was a director of Sylvan Learning Center programs back in the No Child Left Behind era. 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:12.400 And so I used to tell the kids if they were misbehaving, they'd be sent out to me and they'd be walking the halls with me. 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:17.199 And I said, you know, if I know your name, that's not necessarily a good thing. 00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:17.840 Yeah. 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.119 Well, thank you so much, Hara, for coming on. 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.920 It's just been I've I've written loads of things down again. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:27.840 Every day's a school day, isn't it? 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.880 And it's just so nice to to talk to you. 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:32.320 It's so nice to see you. 00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:33.760 Thank you very much. 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:34.159 Yeah. 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:36.079 Thank you all very much. 00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.280 I'm very happy to talk to you. 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:40.960 So good to see you again. 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:42.800 Yeah, it's lovely to see you. 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:43.760 Really lovely to you. 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:45.119 Great to see you guys. 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.599 And will I see you tomorrow morning? 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:49.679 You will, yeah, you will. 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.199 What are you speaking about? 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:57.039 Uh I'm talking about metaphors and storytelling with children. 00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:57.840 Yeah. 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.519 So and we have to schedule you in the cafe. 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:02.880 I'd love to. 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:04.719 That would be wonderful, yeah. 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:05.519 Yeah. 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:06.239 Yeah. 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:06.719 Okay. 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:08.960 So connecting again with you. 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.679 So thank you, Cheryl, and goodbye. 00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.719 And hopefully, we'll see each other soon. 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:15.360 Okay. 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.119 Yes, and thank you all. 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:18.400 And it was a pleasure. 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:20.000 It was a pleasure talking with you. 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:20.559 Thank you. 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:21.199 Thank you. 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:24.320 We hope you've enjoyed listening. 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:33.679 Please remember this podcast is designed to give you an insight into therapeutic hypnosis and is for educational purposes only. 00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:41.920 So remember, consult with your own healthcare professional if you think something you've heard may apply to you or a loved one.