บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ "A DEEP STATE PSYOP" ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, UFOs and TIME TRAVEL (Ft. Alan Berman)

ecosystem that's supported by that. And We 72 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.980 all contribute to it by giving it our attention. Currency, right? 73 00:06:08.339 --> 00:06:10.800 Our money or whatever you want to call currency. I 74 00:06:10.899 --> 00:06:14.839 don't view that as the real currency. Your attention is currency. 75 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.519 Consciousness is the real currency because that's what allows you 76 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.279 to contribute the rest of this resources, everything else. So 77 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:24.540 I think just very simply, there are a lot of 78 00:06:24.579 --> 00:06:28.819 people that don't even necessarily know that they're contributing to 79 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:31.120 this ecosystem. They just view it as a way to 80 00:06:31.139 --> 00:06:33.829 get to the top. But if you start looking past 81 00:06:33.870 --> 00:06:36.329 the actual people who are speaking and past the events, 82 00:06:36.910 --> 00:06:39.399 and you start looking at the infrastructure that lies underneath 83 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:40.939 it all, it all kind of leads back to the 84 00:06:40.980 --> 00:06:41.439 same place. 85 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:50.259 Agreed. And where is that place? Where is it leading 86 00:06:50.300 --> 00:06:53.949 back to? Where are you finding that it leads back to? 87 00:06:54.569 --> 00:07:00.170 Well, it's an amalgamation of the military-industrial complex mixed with corporation, 88 00:07:00.810 --> 00:07:04.149 mixed with church, mixed with state, It is the exact 89 00:07:04.209 --> 00:07:07.180 thing that Eisenhower warned us about in 61 during his 90 00:07:07.220 --> 00:07:11.920 farewell address about the fungus growing on the American public 91 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.319 and people. And you look at the shape of our 92 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.560 world right now and your business disclosure, right? UFOs, you 93 00:07:17.610 --> 00:07:20.029 look at who's making money off of that. You look 94 00:07:20.069 --> 00:07:24.170 at someone like Robert Bigelow and his whole fortune was 95 00:07:24.230 --> 00:07:28.550 made off of tourists. It was made off of accommodating tourists. 96 00:07:28.629 --> 00:07:31.649 And what's better for tourism than a never-ending business that 97 00:07:31.689 --> 00:07:34.689 has a question that has no answer, right? It could 98 00:07:34.709 --> 00:07:40.420 have never-ending speculation about what's going on. So you just 99 00:07:40.449 --> 00:07:43.500 look at Skinwalker Ranch, for example, and you look at 100 00:07:43.779 --> 00:07:45.699 how that was sold to the History Channel, who's now 101 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:49.920 selling these never-ending questions, which their entire platform and business 102 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.819 model has been completely one-off and revamped since I was 103 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:55.589 a kid, and they actually aired history. You look at 104 00:07:55.649 --> 00:07:58.850 it now and it's insane. So we can just start here.

105 00:07:58.990 --> 00:08:00.389 That's a perfect place to begin. 106 00:08:01.689 --> 00:08:08.730 Yeah. And listen, by all means, you know, okay. I 107 00:08:08.769 --> 00:08:13.680 have friends on Skinwalker Ranch, but this is a very interesting, 108 00:08:16.459 --> 00:08:21.139 this is something I've also talked about that Skinwalker Ranch, 109 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:25.089 Bradshaw Ranch, like why was Bigelow so interested in them? 110 00:08:25.670 --> 00:08:29.790 And then you look at who was actually involved and 111 00:08:29.810 --> 00:08:33.879 you got guys like Hal Puthoff, you know, from SRI. 112 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:38.740 You have Dr. Eric Davis, who, you know, I know 113 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:42.580 everybody thinks the guy is on our side, but something 114 00:08:42.620 --> 00:08:47.899 about him just doesn't. I don't trust him. I don't 115 00:08:47.940 --> 00:08:49.759 know what it is about him, but I just don't 116 00:08:49.820 --> 00:08:53.960 trust him. And Then guys like Dr. John Alexander, the 117 00:08:55.539 --> 00:09:00.840 literal father of non-lethal weaponry. And then you have people 118 00:09:00.980 --> 00:09:06.470 experiencing things at these same places. So are they actual 119 00:09:06.549 --> 00:09:13.789 paranormal hotspots? Or were they experiment grounds for advanced lasers 120 00:09:13.889 --> 00:09:20.120 and you know, whether it's recovered technology that was reverse 121 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.240 engineered from a non-human intelligence, that part, kind of irrelevant. 122 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:27.700 If what they were doing at places like Skinwalker Ranch 123 00:09:28.379 --> 00:09:32.700 and these other very remote areas, which may have an inherent, 124 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:40.120 you know, local, like, something to tap into. Like, maybe 125 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:42.860 that's why they picked it in the first place. Maybe, 126 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:47.769 you know, it does have some element to it that, 127 00:09:47.789 --> 00:09:51.669 you know, reality becomes thin or the veil becomes thin, 128 00:09:52.110 --> 00:09:55.610 but I'm not so sure that they weren't experimenting on 129 00:09:56.169 --> 00:09:59.220 something and something really, really dirty. 130 00:09:59.990 --> 00:10:00.190 Yeah. 131 00:10:00.350 --> 00:10:04.250 Well, I want to bring up Hal Pudoff's comments about amnesty. 132 00:10:04.289 --> 00:10:06.379 Are you familiar with how many times he's brought up 133 00:10:06.460 --> 00:10:09.320 amnesty and what would be needed in order for actual 134 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:12.720 disclosure to happen? And I bring up those comments simply 135 00:10:12.779 --> 00:10:17.370 because You talk about all the bad things that they're doing. 136 00:10:17.409 --> 00:10:20.440 I mean, one of the titles to my documentary is Eugenics, 137 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.460 Not Aliens. And it's titled that for a reason. So 138 00:10:24.259 --> 00:10:26.299 we can kind of go through what some of my 139 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.799 thoughts are on some of the aliens that were these 140 00:10:29.860 --> 00:10:32.080 four different types of aliens that we're being told exist. 141 00:10:32.220 --> 00:10:35.490 What I kind of believe is more so the case. 142 00:10:35.529 --> 00:10:37.250 And we can go through the last hundred years of 143 00:10:37.330 --> 00:10:41.419 eugenics and see exactly how there is a pipeline. from 144 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:43.830 the twain experiments the nazis were doing and the other 145 00:10:43.850 --> 00:10:46.049 stuff that they were doing the experiments on humans and 146 00:10:46.250 --> 00:10:48.909 and trying to enter the space race and how that 147 00:10:48.950 --> 00:10:50.549 tracks all the way up to today and the tech 148 00:10:50.590 --> 00:10:54.250 boom that we have and the exact amalgamation of corporation 149 00:10:54.289 --> 00:10:56.190 and state and all these billionaires and all this stuff 150 00:10:56.210 --> 00:10:58.250 that i was talking about before so when you just 151 00:10:58.269 --> 00:11:00.889 walk me through walk a ranch alone you can ask 152 00:11:01.110 --> 00:11:04.389 two questions who's making money off it number one and 153 00:11:05.299 --> 00:11:07.379 i'm not here to dismiss phenomena i don't i don't 154 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.820 know with a lot of things right like i'm Some 155 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:12.100 idiot sitting in a boxing ring in his basement talking 156 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:13.559 to you because you're nice enough to have me on 157 00:11:13.580 --> 00:11:18.000 your show. But again, like who's making money off of this? 158 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:21.440 And the second thing is how many people are making 159 00:11:21.740 --> 00:11:23.440 not just money off of this at the top, but 160 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:29.860 making a long term living or making some type of. Listen, 161 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.500 people like being famous, people like people knowing who they 162 00:11:32.620 --> 00:11:35.309 are and being part of a community. Not everyone is 163 00:11:35.450 --> 00:11:37.190 similar to the way that I am, where I kind 164 00:11:37.230 --> 00:11:38.850 of like hide in the woods in my house and 165 00:11:38.889 --> 00:11:42.389 don't really leave. I like being alone and by myself. 166 00:11:42.610 --> 00:11:46.340 And I'm only doing this because I like when I 167 00:11:46.379 --> 00:11:48.259 say this, I mean, interviews and creating all the things 168 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:50.600 that I did, because there is so much of the 169 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:52.940 other stuff going on that it would be nice if 170 00:11:52.980 --> 00:11:55.259 there were a few voices that aren't making money off 171 00:11:55.299 --> 00:11:59.279 of this and have no really just goal other than 172 00:11:59.690 --> 00:12:02.029 trying to get people to critically think about the information 173 00:12:02.049 --> 00:12:05.549 that they're getting and to essentially question what

they're hearing, 174 00:12:05.610 --> 00:12:08.090 who they're hearing it from and why they're hearing. And 175 00:12:08.110 --> 00:12:10.649 that includes me. Go dig deep. I've said this on 176 00:12:10.690 --> 00:12:13.289 multiple shows. If anyone in the audience wants to dox 177 00:12:13.350 --> 00:12:15.840 me privately without airing all my stuff to see who 178 00:12:15.909 --> 00:12:19.299 I am and go ahead, go see what benefit I 179 00:12:19.340 --> 00:12:21.919 would have from doing what I'm doing personally, as opposed 180 00:12:21.940 --> 00:12:23.840 to all of the people that I'm talking about here 181 00:12:23.940 --> 00:12:26.480 and what I'm telling you to question. And I think 182 00:12:26.500 --> 00:12:27.320 that's a good start. 183 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.029 And honestly, you know, this is something that we've kind 184 00:12:31.070 --> 00:12:35.779 of drilled down on, on this show is the monetization 185 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.539 of the pursuit of truth. Um, you know, reality should 186 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:45.100 not be something that can be classified, nor, nor should 187 00:12:45.139 --> 00:12:50.480 it be behind a paywall, like period and stop. That's it. 188 00:12:52.659 --> 00:12:55.559 Your lips, the God's ears, man. I, uh, couldn't agree more. 189 00:12:56.059 --> 00:12:59.639 And it really does make me sick. And honestly, it's like, um, 190 00:13:00.610 --> 00:13:06.399 I had a recent bump in the road where, are 191 00:13:06.419 --> 00:13:12.720 you familiar with Chris Bledsoe? I'll take that as a yes. 192 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.379 I'm sorry. I'm thinking about how much money I'm going 193 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:18.799 to donate to the Bledsoe Foundation. As you were saying 194 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:21.750 that I was just pouring through the thousands of dollars 195 00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:23.690 I've been saving up for Chris Bledsoe to go build 196 00:13:23.710 --> 00:13:26.360 his house. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. 197 00:13:27.299 --> 00:13:29.240 You want to be a founding angel? 198 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:33.179 Of course. Who doesn't? That's the real question. Who doesn't 199 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:34.159 want to be a founding angel? 200 00:13:37.340 --> 00:13:41.700 Again, not shitting on Chris personally. I guess it's going 201 00:13:41.740 --> 00:13:44.960 to be hard to not sound like I am. I 202 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:49.100 actually think Chris is a fine human being. I've met 203 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:53.120 him in person several times. He's a humble man. But 204 00:13:57.029 --> 00:14:01.629 He's also being flown to these conventions, private. He's getting 205 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:05.389 put up. He's leaving with a fat check at the 206 00:14:05.509 --> 00:14:10.509 end from conventions like Contact in the Desert. Like, let's 207 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:15.159 not fucking pretend that this guy, his whole thing was 208 00:14:15.220 --> 00:14:18.440 that he used to be rich and then he fucking 209 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:24.299 wasn't because of the housing boom, like the housing bubble burst. 210 00:14:24.659 --> 00:14:28.470 And then he comes up with this, you know, Um, 211 00:14:28.870 --> 00:14:32.850 he has this sighting, which I, I believe did happen, 212 00:14:33.210 --> 00:14:37.440 but everything thereafter with the lady, the prophecies, the dates, 213 00:14:38.019 --> 00:14:41.480 all of that. And I've told him this to his 214 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.919 face that you should never, like, I don't think putting 215 00:14:45.059 --> 00:14:49.200 a date on anything like ever is a good thing 216 00:14:49.580 --> 00:14:54.210 because like, it's just going to hurt your reputation if 217 00:14:54.289 --> 00:14:58.720 it's not something that someone can hold tangibly. And, Um, 218 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.690 that's what happened. And I said something about it. And 219 00:15:02.730 --> 00:15:06.070 then everyone who's a blood cell supporter attacked me, including 220 00:15:06.750 --> 00:15:08.549 one of the guests that I was about to have 221 00:15:08.710 --> 00:15:13.009 on that week, Bob McGuire and Bob in the, in 222 00:15:13.070 --> 00:15:17.600 recent weeks seems to have lost his marbles. Um, I, 223 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.399 I don't know what's going on with them, but he's 224 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:22.100 not the same Bob that I knew a couple of 225 00:15:22.139 --> 00:15:24.279 years ago. I mean, now he's talking about like the 226 00:15:24.340 --> 00:15:29.029 Knights Templar and, you know, like how he's on a crusade. 227 00:15:29.049 --> 00:15:33.279 It's just like, whoa, whoa, where did we turn? 228 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:38.720 The want to believe is a lot stronger sometimes than 229 00:15:39.100 --> 00:15:43.129 the ability to critically think. Exactly. And that is one 230 00:15:43.149 --> 00:15:45.169 of the main reasons, again, why I wanted to do 231 00:15:45.210 --> 00:15:47.830 your show, because I do think that it is important 232 00:15:47.870 --> 00:15:51.149 to critically think and look past what people are saying. 233 00:15:51.230 --> 00:15:55.700 And as just referencing Chris Bledsoe here again, Maybe he 234 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:58.129 believes it. There are a lot of useful idiots in 235 00:15:58.169 --> 00:16:00.409 the world. And there are a lot of people who 236 00:16:00.570 --> 00:16:03.789 help shape narratives that they're not necessarily knowing that they're doing. 237 00:16:04.049 --> 00:16:06.690 And I just want to reference Jordan Crowder. Are you 238 00:16:06.710 --> 00:16:07.580 familiar with Jordan Crowder? 239 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:08.480 Very. Yeah, very. 240 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:12.679 So Jordan Crowder said during one of his episodes, it 241 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:15.700 was about manifestation, that he was going to manifest making 242 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:16.879 a million dollars this year. 243 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:17.990 So. 244 00:16:18.529 --> 00:16:21.330 you have

the same people from the Monroe Institute and 245 00:16:21.370 --> 00:16:23.590 Bledsoe and all of these guys, that's their mindset at 246 00:16:23.629 --> 00:16:26.370 the same time as they're telling you all of this 247 00:16:26.389 --> 00:16:29.129 stuff that they're sure of about consciousness and about all 248 00:16:29.149 --> 00:16:32.750 of the things that Robert Monroe did without really diving 249 00:16:32.789 --> 00:16:35.419 into the fact that it was all CIA based. Like 250 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.320 at what point are we going to look past what 251 00:16:39.379 --> 00:16:42.379 people are saying and simply look at the evidence that 252 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:46.120 surrounds all of the things that they're talking about? Right. 253 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:47.500 Yeah. 254 00:16:47.539 --> 00:16:50.669 So I just, Again, the Bledsoe thing makes me laugh. 255 00:16:50.730 --> 00:16:52.129 It's like, how much money are you going to go 256 00:16:52.169 --> 00:16:53.970 pour into this guy for him to tell you a 257 00:16:53.990 --> 00:16:57.370 bunch of things with no actual substance or evidence? And 258 00:16:57.389 --> 00:17:02.700 you have 60-something years of UFO disclosure leaks or whatever 259 00:17:02.740 --> 00:17:05.980 it is that you want to call this since Roswell 260 00:17:06.019 --> 00:17:09.259 in 47. It's been more than 60 years. But what 261 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.660 evidence do we have? What substance do we have of anything? 262 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:17.960 At this point, a lot of the evidence seems to 263 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:24.200 be stories, right? Like there's, there are, of course, uh, 264 00:17:24.460 --> 00:17:27.410 you know, people who claim to have pieces of things or, 265 00:17:27.730 --> 00:17:31.710 you know, like Jacques Vallée and Gary Nolan. Um, but 266 00:17:31.930 --> 00:17:35.049 nothing that could be, nothing that could be put or 267 00:17:35.190 --> 00:17:39.029 stood up in a, in a congressional hearing and sway 268 00:17:39.089 --> 00:17:47.160 people 100%, right? Like this is undeniable evidence, uh, other 269 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:52.380 than certain, you know, reliable people telling stories of their encounters. 270 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:57.220 There is no physical evidence at this point. 271 00:17:57.269 --> 00:18:00.269 It's a business of trust me, bros. That's never ended 272 00:18:00.910 --> 00:18:03.829 and can continue to raise money, endless amounts of money 273 00:18:04.309 --> 00:18:07.269 on trust me, bro. Trust me, bro. Trust me, bro. 274 00:18:07.309 --> 00:18:09.650 Without presenting any evidence. And when you start getting sick 275 00:18:09.690 --> 00:18:12.130 of somebody, they shop in a new guy. Like Jay 276 00:18:12.170 --> 00:18:14.869 Stratton is the new guy. All of a sudden it's like, 277 00:18:15.089 --> 00:18:18.049 did we get disclosure? Now that Jay's book is a bestseller. 278 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.579 Or did Jay just make a shitload of money at 279 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.779 what point? Like how many times do these things have 280 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.140 to keep cycling over and over again? It's more Boris 281 00:18:26.180 --> 00:18:28.299 of bullshit. Yeah, it really is. 282 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:34.269 That's actually a really good point. Um, it's like, and, and, 283 00:18:34.950 --> 00:18:40.789 you know, I liken it to, um, like sports franchises, right? 284 00:18:40.829 --> 00:18:43.829 It's like, there's always going to like, there's always new 285 00:18:43.869 --> 00:18:48.339 people coming in and getting turned out. Um, but the 286 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.359 stories are staying like, even when you go up to guys, 287 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:54.039 like even when you rank it up to like guys 288 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.619 like David crush, he just went on Rogan and essentially 289 00:18:57.779 --> 00:19:04.829 told story after story, after story of evidence that if 290 00:19:04.869 --> 00:19:07.309 you've been in the UFO community longer than a month 291 00:19:07.369 --> 00:19:10.569 and a half, chances are you've heard part of that 292 00:19:10.670 --> 00:19:14.950 story or the reptile, you know, you've heard some variation 293 00:19:14.970 --> 00:19:17.660 of almost everything he talks about in that episode of 294 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:21.279 on Joe Rogan, but because it's David Grush and he 295 00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:25.559 gave a presidential briefing, people hold his, you know, him 296 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.660 to a higher standard. And yeah, I get that like 297 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:35.990 a hundred percent. Credibility is something you, you know, that you, 298 00:19:36.150 --> 00:19:39.529 you have and you earn you and you continuously earn. Right. 299 00:19:39.589 --> 00:19:41.710 Who's choosing that. A lot of us are just giving 300 00:19:42.029 --> 00:19:46.990 people these, these we're, we're, considering them credible based on 301 00:19:47.029 --> 00:19:49.049 the fact that they're a part of the same government 302 00:19:49.069 --> 00:19:51.119 who's been PSYOPing the shit out of us with this 303 00:19:51.150 --> 00:19:53.680 stuff since day one. Like, what are we doing? And 304 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.960 just to add to your point real quick about Crush 305 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:02.180 and about all of these other whistleblowers. So I kind 306 00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:04.500 of highlighted before, excuse me, I hinted before about the 307 00:20:04.539 --> 00:20:09.880 hundred years of UFO, the pipeline of eugenics to today's 308 00:20:09.910 --> 00:20:13.880 tech boom and how that's basically explains disclosure, right? So 309 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:16.460 I'm some idiot sitting in his basement with horrible lighting. 310 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:20.880 And I was able to dig up documents that can 311 00:20:20.940 --> 00:20:25.119 be researched and pulled by anybody about tardigrade going into 312 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:28.519 the cells and how that helps

with radiation. I was 313 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:30.779 able to dig up a ton of research on exactly 314 00:20:30.819 --> 00:20:33.460 what would happen to a human if they entered space 315 00:20:33.500 --> 00:20:36.509 for a long time, their limbs, their eyes, And now 316 00:20:36.609 --> 00:20:38.630 everything essentially resembles a gray alien. 317 00:20:39.210 --> 00:20:39.410 Right. 318 00:20:39.769 --> 00:20:41.630 I was able to dig up a ton of information 319 00:20:41.670 --> 00:20:44.789 on the Levensborn program and how all of these Nordic 320 00:20:44.890 --> 00:20:47.269 aliens have been talked about since the 50s by people 321 00:20:47.289 --> 00:20:51.599 who all believe in theosophy and Blavatsky and these Aryan 322 00:20:51.650 --> 00:20:54.190 race stuff. What is that? So it all links back 323 00:20:54.210 --> 00:20:55.019 to a certain point. 324 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:55.740 Right. 325 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.519 So I don't understand why none of Disclosure has any 326 00:20:58.539 --> 00:21:02.400 of this information. But that exact pipeline right there basically 327 00:21:02.460 --> 00:21:06.319 explains everything. two of the biggest aliens in terms of disclosure, right? 328 00:21:06.339 --> 00:21:08.359 That's what Spielberg's whole movie was about. 329 00:21:08.819 --> 00:21:10.880 Can you break that down? You said a couple of things. 330 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:16.769 You said a couple of words I didn't know. So 331 00:21:16.809 --> 00:21:18.950 can you run that back and walk me through it 332 00:21:18.990 --> 00:21:22.349 like I'm a child? Okay. 333 00:21:22.750 --> 00:21:25.809 So I think the best way, by the way, for 334 00:21:25.970 --> 00:21:28.660 anybody to research and look at any of this stuff 335 00:21:28.779 --> 00:21:32.630 is simply to just go to mokechups.com. and type in 336 00:21:32.650 --> 00:21:35.970 gray aliens, and it will show you the exact pipeline 337 00:21:35.990 --> 00:21:37.910 of what I'm talking about. But to kind of go 338 00:21:37.970 --> 00:21:41.799 in further, tardigrade is, I think, I don't know if 339 00:21:41.859 --> 00:21:43.759 it's like a live. 340 00:21:43.779 --> 00:21:45.240 Yeah, it's an organism. 341 00:21:45.579 --> 00:21:48.079 Yeah, it's an organism, and it can go into the cells. 342 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.500 And what happens is when it goes into the cells, 343 00:21:51.009 --> 00:21:54.309 it allows for human beings to withstand radiation for longer 344 00:21:54.349 --> 00:21:57.369 periods of time. But unfortunately for the human beings who 345 00:21:57.789 --> 00:22:01.250 get the tardigrade shot into them, their brain goes to mush. 346 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:06.099 And if you kind of mix in what the tardigrade 347 00:22:06.140 --> 00:22:08.420 does in terms of allowing the radiation, you mix in 348 00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:11.599 that and you mix in a technology like Neuralink, and 349 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.720 you can kind of see how people start talking about 350

00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:16.980 gray aliens looking humanoid and the fact that they're very robotic. 351 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:21.460 You can start tying things together. And that sounds okay. Like, 352 00:22:21.859 --> 00:22:23.799 I'm a little skeptical of this. This guy kind of 353 00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:24.759 knows what he's talking about. 354 00:22:24.859 --> 00:22:28.039 Well, yeah, wait. But how are we making the jump 355 00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:33.839 from tardigrades– and being inserted into people to the grays. 356 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:35.859 How are we going from one to the other? 357 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:39.299 Again, if you look at if a human is in 358 00:22:39.339 --> 00:22:41.680 space for a long time and they're not having contact 359 00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:42.920 with the sun, their skin is going. 360 00:22:43.269 --> 00:22:43.990 Oh, OK. 361 00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:46.910 OK. Yeah. You start looking at what would happen to 362 00:22:46.930 --> 00:22:49.589 a human being over the course of time in space. 363 00:22:49.950 --> 00:22:53.369 And you're essentially getting gray. And the only people that 364 00:22:53.410 --> 00:22:55.869 are talking about stuff like this essentially are people like 365 00:22:55.910 --> 00:22:58.119 George Johnny. And they're still doing it in a way 366 00:22:58.170 --> 00:23:03.049 that's full of psyops. It's Giorgiani is like Michael Aquino's 367 00:23:03.190 --> 00:23:06.440 bastard love child. So I, I, I, you know what 368 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.339 I mean? Like there's a lot of truths and lies 369 00:23:08.380 --> 00:23:09.740 at the same time as he speaks. 370 00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:14.440 I'm, I'm going to be honest with you flat out. 371 00:23:14.789 --> 00:23:18.750 Cause I, that's who I am. I want to interview Giorgiani. 372 00:23:19.049 --> 00:23:23.559 I'm already talking to him. I, I, I hear what 373 00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:25.299 you're saying. And again, ask him. 374 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.119 About the keynote. I, again, I'm not saying anything. I'd 375 00:23:28.140 --> 00:23:29.680 love to talk to George Johnny too, and ask him 376 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:30.720 about everything that I'm saying. 377 00:23:31.619 --> 00:23:33.940 Heard, heard. I just want it to be like upfront 378 00:23:33.980 --> 00:23:36.309 about that. Cause I think we're live on X right now. 379 00:23:36.349 --> 00:23:37.890 So if he sees this, like. 380 00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:41.650 Again, yeah, he knows who's saying it. He knows who 381 00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:41.910 I am. 382 00:23:42.369 --> 00:23:45.089 So continue. 383 00:23:45.150 --> 00:23:45.490 I'm sorry. 384 00:23:46.089 --> 00:23:48.630 So again, you look at the gray aliens and you 385 00:23:48.650 --> 00:23:51.869 look at, what that would be. You have, essentially, you 386 00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:53.849 have the eugenics program that created that. 387 00:23:54.710 --> 00:23:54.930 Right? 388 00:23:55.069 --> 00:23:56.869 You look at Nordic aliens. Do

you know anything about 389 00:23:56.890 --> 00:24:00.269 the Levensborn program and about, basically, the Nazis trying to 390 00:24:00.329 --> 00:24:02.789 create the super being, the Übermensch? 391 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.660 I do, but for the audience, do you mind laying 392 00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:07.960 it out? 393 00:24:08.299 --> 00:24:13.440 Yeah. So, basically, they were taking babies from Poland and 394 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.549 Norway and all these other different places and they were 395 00:24:16.589 --> 00:24:21.809 placing them with German families along with like eugenics breeding, 396 00:24:21.869 --> 00:24:25.170 trying to create the perfect blonde haired, blue eyed child. 397 00:24:25.970 --> 00:24:28.789 And there was a film named Boys in Brazil that 398 00:24:28.829 --> 00:24:32.650 kind of like did a fantastical version of this. It's 399 00:24:32.670 --> 00:24:34.430 pretty good. It's from the 70s, if you don't mind 400 00:24:34.470 --> 00:24:39.549 old movies. And that kind of outlines what essentially is 401 00:24:39.569 --> 00:24:42.269 being sold as Nordic aliens. And if you look at 402 00:24:43.009 --> 00:24:47.250 what Nordic aliens are, the history of that starts with 403 00:24:47.549 --> 00:24:51.210 Theosophy and Helena Blavatsky. and how that kind of morphed 404 00:24:51.269 --> 00:24:54.289 and branched into two sides, what the Nazis were doing, essentially, 405 00:24:54.309 --> 00:24:56.859 and what we did in America. I went through it 406 00:24:56.900 --> 00:25:00.099 in my eugenics documentary, and I'm going to butcher a 407 00:25:00.140 --> 00:25:02.180 lot of these facts, again, which is why I created 408 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:06.279 the engine. So that way people can go and research 409 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:09.109 everything I'm saying. But there was a company in the 410 00:25:09.150 --> 00:25:14.190 50s called Valor something that essentially started pushing this blonde-haired, 411 00:25:14.250 --> 00:25:19.900 blue-eyed Nordic being from Venus. And Val Thor, I believe, 412 00:25:19.940 --> 00:25:23.880 was another case of something like this. And you're basically 413 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:28.140 just looking at Nazi eugenics. And Giorgiani has really gone 414 00:25:28.180 --> 00:25:30.259 through and outlined a lot of this stuff brilliantly. But 415 00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:31.920 he also does it in a way that it's still 416 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:36.660 disguised in time travel and hides all of the things 417 00:25:36.700 --> 00:25:38.619 that happened right out in the public. He talks about 418 00:25:38.660 --> 00:25:42.240 breakaway programs, but yet we have trillions of dollars disappearing 419 00:25:42.269 --> 00:25:45.490 from the United States budget all the time. You have 420 00:25:46.289 --> 00:25:49.109 companies like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon and all these companies 421 00:25:49.130 --> 00:25:53.339 that are developing craft and we're being sold it as UFOs. 422 00:25:54.220 --> 00:25:56.940 And they're not releasing the technology because it's hidden behind 423 00:25:56.980 --> 00:26:00.900 corporation and privacy because they're private companies. And you're getting 424 00:26:00.940 --> 00:26:04.150 the exact thing that I'm talking about before, where you 425 00:26:04.190 --> 00:26:06.970 have these corporations, you have people like Musk and Thiel 426 00:26:07.009 --> 00:26:10.190 and Bill Gates and involved with not just technology, but 427 00:26:10.230 --> 00:26:12.500 health care and all these different fields. And you're looking 428 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:16.279 at a military industrial complex that's selling a psyops. And 429 00:26:16.539 --> 00:26:18.599 my belief is that aliens are one of them. And 430 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:21.380 that doesn't mean that aliens don't exist or that there's 431 00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:23.900 a whole world outside of the world that we understand. 432 00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.519 It just means the one that we're being sold by 433 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.940 our government is absolute horse shit. And there's a reason 434 00:26:29.980 --> 00:26:33.589 it's absolute horse shit, because it creates power structures that 435 00:26:33.829 --> 00:26:37.069 allow us to think that it's anything but other humans 436 00:26:37.150 --> 00:26:40.279 screwing us over. And I think once humans realize that 437 00:26:40.339 --> 00:26:43.640 other humans are behind the wheel and that we outnumber 438 00:26:43.660 --> 00:26:45.579 them a thousand to one, I think the gigs up. 439 00:26:46.309 --> 00:26:48.750 So you got to disguise it and that aliens are 440 00:26:49.210 --> 00:26:51.630 real or that artificial intelligence is going to be our 441 00:26:51.670 --> 00:26:54.269 new super God and all of this horseshit. It's no 442 00:26:54.309 --> 00:26:56.910 different than the religions of the past. You don't. 443 00:26:57.410 --> 00:27:02.390 So you don't think that that artificial intelligence is dangerous. 444 00:27:03.369 --> 00:27:05.990 I do think it's dangerous, but I think the programming 445 00:27:06.029 --> 00:27:12.250 of the artificial intelligence and who's essentially, again, code itself 446 00:27:12.329 --> 00:27:14.789 isn't dangerous. Who programmed the code and what was their 447 00:27:14.829 --> 00:27:18.490 intention behind programming the code? And my concern with artificial 448 00:27:18.509 --> 00:27:21.349 intelligence is more so about who owns the grid. It's 449 00:27:21.410 --> 00:27:23.950 about who owns the electricity and the power, because once 450 00:27:23.990 --> 00:27:28.180 you see our, and again, this is me going, throwing 451 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.500 a curveball here to your audience, but once my belief 452 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.910 is that our economy is going to crash and that 453 00:27:33.930 --> 00:27:36.329 our paper currency is going to turn into a digital currency. 454 00:27:36.349 --> 00:27:39.809 And once that happens, you're looking at really the

importance 455 00:27:39.869 --> 00:27:42.390 of the grid being 10 times what it is now. 456 00:27:42.890 --> 00:27:44.900 And if you look at the wars that are happening, 457 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:47.380 you're looking at wars over resources. And a lot of 458 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.799 those resources power the grid. 459 00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:57.569 Yes. It's always been, we've always fought over resource, whether it's, 460 00:27:59.789 --> 00:28:04.869 you know, oil, you know, whether it's, um, uh, I mean, 461 00:28:04.950 --> 00:28:10.690 if you want to call control over population, uh, a resource, uh, or, 462 00:28:10.710 --> 00:28:14.200 or something else, you know, like religious beliefs, uh, it's 463 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.880 always for something that is like, uh, a very, very, like, 464 00:28:19.059 --> 00:28:20.720 if you step back away from it, you're like, what 465 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.440 are we doing? Like millions of lives lost for what, 466 00:28:25.460 --> 00:28:30.940 for what reason? It's so primitive. Um, And here we 467 00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:34.460 are right on the brink of another. And it's like, 468 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.779 and so, you know, it reminds me again, like you said, 469 00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:42.039 of the community, the UFO community. It's like, it's like 470 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:45.920 a political race. Like you get all these promises from 471 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.119 these people. You start a little hope, right? You get 472 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:53.380 a little hope inside you for change, real change. And 473 00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:55.880 then the rug is pulled out from under you and 474 00:28:55.900 --> 00:28:57.700 you get the same old bullshit. 475 00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:59.140 And you get the next guy. 476 00:29:00.029 --> 00:29:00.150 Yeah. 477 00:29:00.170 --> 00:29:02.029 They throw in the next guy. And again, if you 478 00:29:02.049 --> 00:29:03.690 look at the money behind it, you look at someone 479 00:29:03.710 --> 00:29:06.589 like Greer with Rockefeller money, or you look at the 480 00:29:06.710 --> 00:29:08.450 ties that a lot of the people in the UFO 481 00:29:08.490 --> 00:29:12.069 community have to Peter feel from, from Jesse Michaels to, 482 00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:15.380 to what's her name? Pasulka. And like, I mean, come on, 483 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.160 what are we doing here? Everybody's tied to a billionaire 484 00:29:17.180 --> 00:29:19.180 at some point. Also, if you don't mind, I'll just, 485 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:21.079 I'm going to create some light in here real quick. 486 00:29:21.099 --> 00:29:21.900 So I'm not so dark. 487 00:29:22.259 --> 00:29:27.359 I mean, yeah. Even Joe Rogan and, and, and guys 488 00:29:27.380 --> 00:29:32.660 like Duncan Trestle. Who I never thought would sway that way, 489 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:39.049 have essentially, you know, I don't know if you want 490 00:29:39.069 --> 00:29:43.789 to call it converted. but they've switched their tune and 491 00:29:43.869 --> 00:29:49.079 gear on Peter Thiel. And it's like, I just couldn't 492 00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:55.519 even believe it. I can't believe it sometimes that they're 493 00:29:55.539 --> 00:29:59.839 not seeing what they saw simply three, four years ago. 494 00:30:00.289 --> 00:30:02.559 And it's, and it does remind you, it's like, it's 495 00:30:02.579 --> 00:30:05.380 like this, the idea of the walled garden, like the 496 00:30:05.500 --> 00:30:08.700 UFO community is no different. It's a walled garden that 497 00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:11.079 if you're on the outside looking in, you want to 498 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.400 be a part of desperately. And what will you give 499 00:30:14.740 --> 00:30:18.509 to be a part of that club? Most people will, 500 00:30:18.569 --> 00:30:22.630 will give up. They'll give up most of what they 501 00:30:22.670 --> 00:30:23.309 have for it. 502 00:30:23.309 --> 00:30:27.779 It's funny. I wrote a piece about, That walled garden. 503 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.960 And that's part of the documentary that I just released. 504 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.460 If you want to call it a documentary, whatever these 505 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.059 videos are, I don't know what else to call them, 506 00:30:34.099 --> 00:30:37.059 but they're like an hour and a half long and 507 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.240 they're documentary ish style. So in the documentary, I guess 508 00:30:41.509 --> 00:30:44.109 calling it that again, stop feeding the grifters. I went 509 00:30:44.170 --> 00:30:48.009 through how the walled garden, essentially there are these mini 510 00:30:48.029 --> 00:30:50.750 walled gardens like the UFO community or Joe Rogan's comedy 511 00:30:50.789 --> 00:30:54.349 club community, but the real walled garden is, the wall 512 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:58.849 between humanity, between the American public and between the military 513 00:30:58.869 --> 00:31:01.630 industrial complex and all the things they create. And if 514 00:31:01.650 --> 00:31:03.769 you look at Peter Thiel, for example, I think he's 515 00:31:03.829 --> 00:31:06.529 a great person to look at because you look at 516 00:31:06.569 --> 00:31:09.230 all the ties that he has to not just the 517 00:31:09.329 --> 00:31:13.049 UFO community, but he's tied to pharmaceuticals, which he's now, uh, 518 00:31:13.809 --> 00:31:17.650 promoting psychedelics. He used Rogan to get psychedelics passed through Trump, 519 00:31:17.670 --> 00:31:20.869 that whole thing. Are you familiar? Trump was in the 520 00:31:20.890 --> 00:31:22.490 White House, or excuse me, uh, Rogan was in the 521 00:31:22.529 --> 00:31:25.430 White House in, uh, April, I believe, where they were 522 00:31:25.450 --> 00:31:28.250 signing the... Yeah, it was a Thiel company. Thiel owned 523 00:31:28.250 --> 00:31:31.380 7% or 8% of the company that got fast-tracked. Really? 524 00:31:32.059 --> 00:31:34.519 He was one of three companies. So you start looking

525 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.339 into these things. You start looking past what people are saying. 526 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.859 You start looking and following the money of all of 527 00:31:39.900 --> 00:31:43.140 this stuff. And I get, I know I sound like 528 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.000 Charlie Kelly in the mailroom episode of It's Always Sunny 529 00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:50.359 in Philadelphia. But everything tracks, man. All the money's there. 530 00:31:50.619 --> 00:31:54.359 And people like Peter Thiel, they're not... what we even 531 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.119 think they are. They're a mask protecting this infrastructure, this 532 00:31:58.180 --> 00:32:01.460 military industrial complex. We keep pointing fingers at people, but 533 00:32:01.500 --> 00:32:06.140 if you remove any of the people, the same system exists, right? 534 00:32:06.500 --> 00:32:09.160 It's the infrastructure that needs to be torn down. And 535 00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:13.230 a lot of these guys, including Thiel, were students of 536 00:32:13.309 --> 00:32:15.809 Rene Girard, who was a teacher at Stanford who taught 537 00:32:15.849 --> 00:32:19.890 something called memetic theory. And part of what that teaching 538 00:32:19.990 --> 00:32:24.200 is that The public needs villains. They need people essentially 539 00:32:24.269 --> 00:32:28.269 to scapegoat. They need people to break out the guillotine for, 540 00:32:28.309 --> 00:32:32.529 because that allows the infrastructure underneath the people that are 541 00:32:32.549 --> 00:32:36.339 being used as masks to continue to run operationally functional 542 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.400 while the mask that it's wearing, keep getting replaced and 543 00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:42.500 replaced and replaced because we think that we're doing something. 544 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.720 And it's essentially in a weird way. It's kind of 545 00:32:44.740 --> 00:32:46.759 like voting and how we vote for the president. And 546 00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:50.130 there are genuinely people that think that, who the president 547 00:32:50.150 --> 00:32:53.240 is matters and that their vote counts, right? It's the same. 548 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.319 The billionaires are the same thing, whether you're going at 549 00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.240 Gates or feel or whoever it is, it's all the 550 00:32:57.259 --> 00:33:01.119 same nonsense because the infrastructure underneath, it's still built by 551 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.039 the same people. They were all at the same meetings. 552 00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:04.960 They're all part of the same Bilderberg groups. They're all 553 00:33:05.059 --> 00:33:09.220 tied to Epstein, right? Like all this shit is, is again, 554 00:33:09.349 --> 00:33:11.250 it's all tied together. 555 00:33:11.930 --> 00:33:15.009 You just gave me this, like, um, almost like epiphany 556 00:33:15.109 --> 00:33:21.740 actually just now. You know what it really, like what 557 00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:23.640 you just

said, you know what it really sounds like? 558 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:34.210 It's all fucking WWE. It's a choreographed dance with villains 559 00:33:34.309 --> 00:33:39.630 and heels and baby faces, right? But at the end 560 00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:42.269 of the day, they all go back to the same 561 00:33:42.309 --> 00:33:44.970 locker room. They all go out to dinner together. They 562 00:33:45.009 --> 00:33:46.089 all drink together. 563 00:33:46.539 --> 00:33:46.700 Right? 564 00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:51.079 They're boys, but in the ring, right? And people will 565 00:33:51.140 --> 00:33:55.000 even suspend their belief when they know it's fake wrestling. 566 00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:01.789 It's not even real fighting. It's all this orchestrated dance 567 00:34:03.230 --> 00:34:06.609 to entertain you. Holy shit. 568 00:34:06.970 --> 00:34:09.150 Yeah, I talked about this in the documentary. I did 569 00:34:09.190 --> 00:34:12.230 a whole thing on Stop Feeding the Grifters. I included 570 00:34:12.369 --> 00:34:16.050 Steve Austin stuttering McMahon and CM Punk dropping the pipe bombs. 571 00:34:16.429 --> 00:34:19.610 I'm a wrestling fan, dude. You're not going to get 572 00:34:19.650 --> 00:34:22.570 an Uber on me. I know kayfabe when I see it. 573 00:34:22.690 --> 00:34:24.369 I can see it work. I know when it works 574 00:34:24.389 --> 00:34:27.449 to shoot too. I see all of this shit. So 575 00:34:27.909 --> 00:34:30.969 I consider myself, and again, I do not really want 576 00:34:30.989 --> 00:34:32.949 to be doing this, but someone like me is an 577 00:34:33.150 --> 00:34:37.099 absolute fucking nightmare for the system because a very motivated 578 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.739 human being who understands kayfabe to the level that I 579 00:34:39.860 --> 00:34:43.099 do can expose it to the average human being a 580 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.429 way that another person can't. which is really what my 581 00:34:46.469 --> 00:34:49.239 intention is. Because if you look at what, at the 582 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.219 end of every interview, what normal people do when they 583 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:54.059 do an interview is they plug their book or whatever 584 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.599 the website is or whatever they're trying to sell. I 585 00:34:56.619 --> 00:34:59.280 don't do that. I sell you critical thought. I'm selling 586 00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:01.440 you yourself and the fact that you're better than you 587 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:03.320 think you are and you need to stop buying all 588 00:35:03.340 --> 00:35:06.289 of this bullshit and start digging into what you think 589 00:35:06.349 --> 00:35:06.769 is right. 590 00:35:07.909 --> 00:35:13.409 So if you had, you know, we're very much taught 591 00:35:14.469 --> 00:35:19.780 that the world is black and white. What do you 592 00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:23.019 think is the big gray? What do you think is 593 00:35:23.059 --> 00:35:25.340 the biggest thing that they're trying to keep us from? 594 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.559 Is it consciousness and knowing what we truly are? 595 00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:30.880 Yeah, I think to a certain extent. I also think 596 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.110 Ordo Ab Chao can either be a tool of liberation 597 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.130 or it can be the thing that allows you to 598 00:35:37.150 --> 00:35:39.989 be enslaved. And what Ordo Ab Chao means, it means 599 00:35:40.070 --> 00:35:43.440 order out of chaos. And what my belief is, and 600 00:35:43.460 --> 00:35:45.579 I'm not here to push my belief on anybody, but 601 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.579 I think if you just look at human history and 602 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.409 every book that's ever been written in human history, religious 603 00:35:51.469 --> 00:35:53.309 or not, it's been written by man. A man was 604 00:35:53.329 --> 00:35:55.309 the person who put the pen down on paper, typed 605 00:35:55.349 --> 00:35:57.329 it out, whatever form or fashion that they did it. 606 00:35:57.949 --> 00:36:00.769 And we were created by something simply that didn't tell 607 00:36:00.809 --> 00:36:04.360 us a fucking thing. We're fish in a bowl and 608 00:36:04.460 --> 00:36:07.039 we have an automatic feeder on our bowl. And inside 609 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.079 of the bowl, we can see everything. But outside of 610 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.360 the bowl, it's not a glass bowl. We can't see 611 00:36:11.420 --> 00:36:14.500 anything outside. We don't know what it is. And there's 612 00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:16.699 a lot of people that are trying to tell you 613 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:19.119 that they know what's outside of the bowl, like Jordan Crowder. 614 00:36:19.900 --> 00:36:21.639 And they're telling you at the same time that they're 615 00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:23.679 trying to make a million dollars in a year by 616 00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.280 selling you all of this shit. And you have people 617 00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:29.599 like me that are telling you to stop buying the 618 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.409 nonsense and stop feeding the grifters, whether it be UFOs, 619 00:36:33.469 --> 00:36:38.210 whether it be artificial intelligence, because it's all the same stuff. 620 00:36:38.269 --> 00:36:40.579 It all crashes back at the same point. The second 621 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.980 wall of thermodynamics and the fact that there are limitations 622 00:36:44.059 --> 00:36:47.320 on what humans know. And if we really had things 623 00:36:47.380 --> 00:36:50.280 figured out, like people are saying, like if we really 624 00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:53.400 had a full understanding of things, humans would be using 625 00:36:53.420 --> 00:36:55.360 it against other humans. They wouldn't be hiding it. 626 00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:56.360 Right. 627 00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:00.449 Right. So I think maybe, yeah, like I do think 628 00:37:00.489 --> 00:37:02.710 like military has technology that like you don't see for 629 00:37:02.710 --> 00:37:05.369

20 or 30 years. But I also think at the 630 00:37:05.409 --> 00:37:07.849 same time, like I don't think I don't think time 631 00:37:07.889 --> 00:37:10.130 traveling is happening. I don't think that exists. I think 632 00:37:10.150 --> 00:37:13.590 that's a lot of nonsense because you're looking at national 633 00:37:13.610 --> 00:37:16.690 databases and things being deleted and being sold back to 634 00:37:16.730 --> 00:37:17.789 you as retrocausality. 635 00:37:18.730 --> 00:37:22.469 But why do you think, because I'm being dead serious here, 636 00:37:23.179 --> 00:37:28.340 why do you think the idea of time travel itself 637 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:30.360 is inherently nonsense? 638 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.179 I don't think the idea itself is inherently nonsense, but 639 00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:40.019 my catch up on time travel is that if it happened, 640 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:41.909 that essentially would create the singularity. 641 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:42.389 No? 642 00:37:43.090 --> 00:37:47.889 Because it would essentially create a stoppage of time. Yes, 643 00:37:47.929 --> 00:37:49.909 we did have to bring WWE into the conversation. I 644 00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:51.670 can keep doing it if you like. 645 00:37:53.090 --> 00:37:59.019 Yeah, Dave loves WWE. I stopped watching it, but I'll 646 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:05.139 be honest, I love watching behind-the-scenes stuff. I like watching wrestlers. 647 00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:08.469 I don't watch wrestling anymore for the story. I watch 648 00:38:08.510 --> 00:38:13.909 it for like, I'm very much in love with the 649 00:38:13.969 --> 00:38:17.789 behind the scenes and how it comes together and the 650 00:38:17.869 --> 00:38:21.630 actual creation of the dance, which is ironic when we 651 00:38:22.010 --> 00:38:25.230 compared it to what we compared it to. Because I 652 00:38:26.389 --> 00:38:30.590 very much am anti that when it comes to the 653 00:38:30.670 --> 00:38:34.289 UFO community. So it's like a conundrum when we use 654 00:38:34.309 --> 00:38:37.989 that comparison that we did earlier. But I think wrestling 655 00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:42.289 is a very unique comparison to what we're dealing with 656 00:38:42.590 --> 00:38:46.519 across the board, like not just in the UFO community, 657 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:48.860 but in ancient civilization. 658 00:38:48.940 --> 00:38:49.199 Right. 659 00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:54.070 Like in all these things, like even the Star Wars 660 00:38:54.110 --> 00:38:58.900 community has factions and they fight each other. Like it 661 00:38:58.940 --> 00:39:00.119 makes no sense. 662 00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:03.179 But that's part of what I'm getting to here is 663 00:39:03.260 --> 00:39:06.260 I think that like we have gotten to a point 664 00:39:06.340 --> 00:39:11.409 where we genuinely like slop and pseudoscience and nonsense more 665 00:39:11.429 --> 00:39:14.849 than we like individual sovereignty. And we would much rather 666 00:39:14.909 --> 00:39:19.650 believe a lot of these nonsensical things and believe that 667 00:39:19.809 --> 00:39:23.230 there is an invisible caste system that exists that essentially 668 00:39:23.289 --> 00:39:25.849 is keeping most of us enslaved to a power structure 669 00:39:25.889 --> 00:39:29.909 that none of us signed up for. And if you... 670 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:33.039 look at like wrestling right you buy a ticket to 671 00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.960 that you go in knowing it's kayfabe and maybe you 672 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.570 don't maybe you're maybe it's still real to you damn 673 00:39:38.610 --> 00:39:42.170 it but like most people go in knowing that like 674 00:39:42.230 --> 00:39:45.349 it's kayfabe so like that's something that you agreed to 675 00:39:45.389 --> 00:39:48.030 before you even walked in i didn't sign up for 676 00:39:48.550 --> 00:39:51.449 being sigh up by my government and paying tax dollars 677 00:39:51.489 --> 00:39:53.880 to things that I don't necessarily agree to and fighting 678 00:39:53.949 --> 00:39:57.360 wars that I don't necessarily agree to for resources that 679 00:39:57.380 --> 00:39:59.519 I'm going to have to pay double for regardless of 680 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.980 where they come from. So like, it's all nonsense. It's 681 00:40:03.099 --> 00:40:05.639 all nonsense. And I think when people start waking up 682 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:10.699 to this system that we all just, okay, like we 683 00:40:10.739 --> 00:40:13.190 all just think is okay because we're born into it, 684 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:17.630 but it's not. And right. get into all this nonsensical 685 00:40:17.670 --> 00:40:22.369 stuff and allow, again, Carl Sagan said it best, like 686 00:40:22.590 --> 00:40:28.239 extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And you have people trying 687 00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:30.440 to dump down that saying and say that that's not 688 00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:33.780 something that is needed in the UFO community, for example. 689 00:40:34.300 --> 00:40:36.300 And I completely disagree. And I think one of the 690 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.570 reasons for that is because, again, like never ending business. 691 00:40:41.750 --> 00:40:43.980 Yeah. Yeah, right. 692 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:45.500 Sorry to keep going here, but the person that I 693 00:40:45.500 --> 00:40:48.000 actually quoted, Grant Levack, by the way, are you familiar 694 00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:48.260 with him? 695 00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:49.579 Yeah, he's a friend. 696 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:51.780 Is he? 697 00:40:52.340 --> 00:40:52.880 The Aussie? 698 00:40:53.420 --> 00:40:56.619 Yeah, the Aussie. So I would like to point out 699 00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.949 that he's the one who actually said that extraordinary claims 700 00:40:58.989 --> 00:41:01.949 don't require extraordinary evidence. And I also want to point 701 00:41:01.989 --> 00:41:04.170 out the fact that Grant works for somebody called Diligent. 702 00:41:04.690 -->

00:41:07.949 And Diligent is heavily connected to what I am calling 703 00:41:07.969 --> 00:41:12.550 the military-industrial complex. So I think Grant's comments come from 704 00:41:12.610 --> 00:41:15.219 a place of where grant makes his business and his money. 705 00:41:15.860 --> 00:41:17.920 So you have to start looking into what these people 706 00:41:17.980 --> 00:41:19.199 are saying and what they're doing. 707 00:41:19.219 --> 00:41:19.340 Yeah. 708 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.719 Go look into that grant, go look into diligent and 709 00:41:22.780 --> 00:41:25.239 go see where somebody, someone like his opinions come from. 710 00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:28.800 Interesting. And when I say friend, I don't have any 711 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.920 friends on the show. He's a, he's, he's friendly to 712 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:34.659 the show, but, um. 713 00:41:35.059 --> 00:41:37.019 Friendly to me too. Hi grant. I have no problem 714 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.039 with you personally, but I have some questions and I 715 00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:40.820 know you blocked me on Twitter the second I said that, 716 00:41:41.349 --> 00:41:43.170 So I'm happy to bring it up here to one 717 00:41:43.210 --> 00:41:45.030 of his friends. So that way you can go through 718 00:41:45.090 --> 00:41:47.809 and look and see, again, I have no loyalty to 719 00:41:47.949 --> 00:41:51.159 anybody other than the people that are watching this show 720 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.199 and are getting sighed up by these governments. I don't 721 00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.519 make a dime off of any of this stuff. Again, 722 00:41:55.539 --> 00:41:57.000 go look at some of the people that I'm calling 723 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.179 out where their money comes from and what their business 724 00:41:59.260 --> 00:42:02.079 is doing this and whether they really want disclosure, they 725 00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:03.900 want to keep bringing you in and having you pay. 726 00:42:05.090 --> 00:42:09.860 Yeah. And that's what I'm worried about the most is this, this, uh, 727 00:42:10.219 --> 00:42:13.380 like I said, this pay to play and then not 728 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:19.170 only pay to play, but there, there it's literally, there's 729 00:42:19.230 --> 00:42:24.610 nothing there. There's nothing even to like get you, you're, you, it's, 730 00:42:24.769 --> 00:42:31.860 it's essentially this, like this club of make-believe and, and 731 00:42:33.659 --> 00:42:38.199 like being as if it's almost as if they want 732 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.659 to be closer to the deep state. It's like, when 733 00:42:41.699 --> 00:42:44.519 was that ever a good thing? Like you're telling me 734 00:42:44.579 --> 00:42:50.289 the same people or the same entity that have lied 735 00:42:50.329 --> 00:42:53.230 to us for 90 some odd years about the truth 736 00:42:53.590 --> 00:42:59.469 of reality, UFOs, you know, the paradox, insert, you know, 737 00:42:59.510 --> 00:43:03.989 phenomena here. That same entity is the only one you 738 00:43:04.070 --> 00:43:07.920 trust to tell the truth. That makes no sense to me. 739 00:43:07.949 --> 00:43:11.510 That's my biggest problem with the UFO disclosure movement and 740 00:43:11.530 --> 00:43:13.510 the people behind it. Not necessarily the big names at 741 00:43:13.530 --> 00:43:15.750 the top, but the people that are contributing and feeding 742 00:43:15.789 --> 00:43:19.789 into this stuff. The ones, the UFOX community, like the 743 00:43:20.269 --> 00:43:24.199 ones that are the customers. Again, I have major problems 744 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.980 with how they do things because they're having these arguments 745 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.420 inside of the bubbles that are created for them by 746 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.440 the military industrial complex. How many of the people that 747 00:43:32.659 --> 00:43:34.679 you got, you've been in this world for a while. 748 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:36.539 How many people have been saying what I'm saying? All 749 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.219 of this information has existed for a long time. It's 750 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:40.280 one person brought it up. 751 00:43:41.860 --> 00:43:44.539 Not in one sitting. 752 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.619 Yes. It's all little bits and pieces and it's all 753 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.570 clouded in the nonsense of it. It's all clouded in 754 00:43:52.670 --> 00:43:57.969 time travel or some type of... I'm trying to be 755 00:43:58.010 --> 00:43:59.590 as polite as I can because I know that you 756 00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:02.130 have guests that come on the show that I'm probably insulting, 757 00:44:02.150 --> 00:44:05.349 but the reality of the situation is This is a business. 758 00:44:05.630 --> 00:44:09.559 Disclosure is a business before it is anything else. And that's, 759 00:44:10.699 --> 00:44:13.840 I'm probably hurting some pockets by saying what I'm saying today, 760 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.320 but the reality is that people stop feeding this. You 761 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:20.239 will get your disclosure because your disclosure does not lie 762 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.809 with any of these people. It lies within you digging 763 00:44:22.889 --> 00:44:26.150 through these documents and this research and digging through all 764 00:44:26.170 --> 00:44:27.670 of the things that I'm saying to see if there's 765 00:44:27.730 --> 00:44:30.409 even anything there and taking it even further than I did. 766 00:44:31.130 --> 00:44:31.349 Right. 767 00:44:31.409 --> 00:44:34.309 Right. Like, Are we just going to ignore eugenics? Are 768 00:44:34.329 --> 00:44:37.530 we going to ignore the 100 years of experiments on children, 769 00:44:37.550 --> 00:44:39.110 all the missing children? Are we just going to chalk 770 00:44:39.130 --> 00:44:41.690 that up to child sex trafficking? Or are we going 771 00:44:41.710 --> 00:44:44.739 to question why Hal really wants amnesty and what type 772 00:44:44.780 -->

00:44:48.320 of experiments that they were doing and why? Again, I 773 00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:50.559 know a lot of people shit on Annie Jacobson, but 774 00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.960 she wrote that book about Area 51. And I do 775 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.460 think that Annie, in a weird way, is used as 776 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.559 a plant. But one of the things she wrote in 777 00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.389 that book at the end about the Roswell incident is 778 00:45:01.429 --> 00:45:05.179 that the contractor from EG & G said they looked 779 00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:07.920 like children and that there were children that were experimented 780 00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:09.719 on and flown in from Russia. And if you look 781 00:45:09.739 --> 00:45:11.579 at some of the things that Mengele was doing and. 782 00:45:11.539 --> 00:45:12.639 You look at some of the things... Mengele, yeah. 783 00:45:12.889 --> 00:45:15.369 Yeah, it's, again, like, I'm not speaking out of turn here, 784 00:45:15.869 --> 00:45:16.099 am I? 785 00:45:16.789 --> 00:45:28.510 Yeah. But Roswell, like, Roswell's so muddy that, you know, I... 786 00:45:29.070 --> 00:45:31.960 And I get what she's saying. I don't even think 787 00:45:32.739 --> 00:45:36.940 That she, I actually kind of like her stuff. The 788 00:45:36.980 --> 00:45:38.739 only thing I didn't, the only book I didn't like 789 00:45:38.780 --> 00:45:41.900 was the Area 51 book that she did. 790 00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.440 She's doing some crap for the bio book that she 791 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:47.179 just put out. I see some of that on Twitter, 792 00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:47.840 but here's the thing. 793 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.739 But it reminds you how quick this could all be over. 794 00:45:51.090 --> 00:45:53.929 Yeah. Here's the thing too, that like people get lost 795 00:45:53.989 --> 00:45:56.269 in Area 51 is whether it happened or didn't happen. 796 00:45:56.289 --> 00:45:58.809 But what happened a few weeks later is the National 797 00:45:58.849 --> 00:45:59.889 Security Act was passed. 798 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:00.969 Yes. 799 00:46:01.389 --> 00:46:03.309 And if you look at it, it's like 9-11 and 800 00:46:03.329 --> 00:46:05.070 the Patriot Act. If you look at the world that 801 00:46:05.110 --> 00:46:07.730 we live in, these events happen and we focus on 802 00:46:07.750 --> 00:46:09.849 the events, but what happens underneath them? 803 00:46:10.550 --> 00:46:20.059 And the proximity to nuclear, right? Because a lot of 804 00:46:20.099 --> 00:46:23.820 people point to that and say, well, clearly someone's interest, 805 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:29.380 someone meaning aliens, or non-human intelligence is interested in what 806 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:33.860 we're doing with our, our nuclear program. And it's also like, yeah, 807 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.340 but you know who else was interested? The rest of 808 00:46:36.380 --> 00:46:41.329 the fucking world. Cause they didn't have it. Right. So 809 00:46:41.829 --> 00:46:45.190 you know what I mean? Like everyone's always like, what 810 00:46:45.230 --> 00:46:47.550 are the, what are the odds that Roswell would be 811 00:46:47.869 --> 00:46:53.800 the home of the only nuclear equipped squadrons? I'm like, well, 812 00:46:53.860 --> 00:46:57.800 it's actually, pretty high considering that's what everyone wanted. That is, 813 00:46:58.179 --> 00:47:06.000 that is still to this day, the pinnacle of our, our, uh, uh, 814 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:09.239 our agreement with each other. 815 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:09.619 Right. 816 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:11.940 It's like, I'll, I'll point nuke at you. You point 817 00:47:11.980 --> 00:47:14.780 a nuke at me and we won't shoot each other 818 00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:17.619 because we both don't want to die. Right. Like our 819 00:47:17.659 --> 00:47:21.210 society is hinged on that right now. And yeah, you, 820 00:47:21.699 --> 00:47:24.099 Is it crazy to think it all started with Roswell 821 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:29.610 where there was the only fucking nuclear squadron? I mean, 822 00:47:30.670 --> 00:47:34.099 just to say it's aliens, just, you know, it's a, 823 00:47:34.150 --> 00:47:39.750 it's a big jump. But it's, it's also fascinating. 824 00:47:40.769 --> 00:47:42.969 It is. And I think that's where we get lost 825 00:47:43.090 --> 00:47:45.590 is like, it's so fascinating. A lot of these things 826 00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:50.969 are so fascinating and people it's like the circus, right? Like, they, 827 00:47:51.090 --> 00:47:54.559 they have the exhibits of like world's fattest lady or 828 00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:57.679 whatever they are, the freak shows, because we are fascinated 829 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.219 by things that are not normal. That's just human nature. 830 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.360 So there are people that will exploit that and make 831 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.869 money off of that. And at higher levels, there are 832 00:48:05.929 --> 00:48:09.769 people that are going to use that to, to get 833 00:48:09.829 --> 00:48:13.889 power and to collect resources and to essentially sell those 834 00:48:13.949 --> 00:48:16.469 resources back to a public that doesn't even see it 835 00:48:16.510 --> 00:48:21.250 stolen from under their nose. And we, uh, We've done 836 00:48:21.269 --> 00:48:24.110 a number on ourselves in terms of the last 60, 837 00:48:24.110 --> 00:48:26.949 70 years since Eisenhower gave us that warning about the 838 00:48:26.989 --> 00:48:31.420 military industrial complex and what we've allowed and how we've 839 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.199 essentially created a world economy that's controlled by this military 840 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:40.460 industrial complex. And you're seeing it everywhere. You're seeing it 841 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.809 with the wars. You're seeing it with the, again, it 842 00:48:44.989 --> 00:48:47.329 seems like these nations are feuding, but yet they're all 843 00:48:47.389

--> 00:48:50.619 part of the same WEF and Bilderberg groups and the 844 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:53.409 underlying infrastructures of all of the things being in place, 845 00:48:53.449 --> 00:48:55.840 whether it's China's WeChat or all of the things that 846 00:48:55.860 --> 00:48:58.550 we're doing with the Genesis mission and the Donro doctrine, 847 00:48:58.989 --> 00:49:02.429 or what Russia is doing in installing a techno-feudalistic state, 848 00:49:02.829 --> 00:49:06.750 it's all the same thing. It's all essentially going back 849 00:49:06.849 --> 00:49:11.429 to the same place. It's a society that's controlled. 850 00:49:11.449 --> 00:49:15.269 The one thing that's real, right, is this deep state idea, 851 00:49:15.289 --> 00:49:18.769 this idea that there are people, but couldn't you all 852 00:49:20.179 --> 00:49:22.400 call that some sort of like breakaway civilization? 853 00:49:22.900 --> 00:49:24.659 Yeah, I think they're the same thing. And that's why 854 00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:26.400 I kind of laugh when someone like George Ani talks 855 00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:30.280 about it being time-traveling aliens, because it's really just humans 856 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:32.280 who stole a ton of money and are protecting an 857 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.130 infrastructure that exists that they don't want to let go of. 858 00:49:35.809 --> 00:49:38.130 And I think there are different factions that are feuding 859 00:49:38.329 --> 00:49:44.590 within this idea And again, I, again, the, the, the money, 860 00:49:44.650 --> 00:49:48.659 the pyramid is not connected for the top for a reason. Right. 861 00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:52.760 Can I ask you a clean question? 862 00:49:53.179 --> 00:49:53.400 Sure. 863 00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:59.260 Do you think we are alone in the universe? 864 00:50:01.469 --> 00:50:04.909 I don't know. And I gotta be honest. I don't 865 00:50:04.949 --> 00:50:08.329 think my answer matters whether I believe it or not. 866 00:50:08.389 --> 00:50:12.210 I think that's, kind of a cop-out in a weird way, 867 00:50:12.449 --> 00:50:16.409 but I've done enough psychedelics to where I've had some 868 00:50:16.429 --> 00:50:20.050 conversation and seen some things that I can't dismiss. But 869 00:50:20.090 --> 00:50:21.829 at the same time, I don't know whether it was 870 00:50:21.869 --> 00:50:24.130 a creation of my own consciousness or if there's some 871 00:50:24.170 --> 00:50:30.610 type of subconscious agent that runs to where we're essentially 872 00:50:30.710 --> 00:50:37.480 creating this world for ourselves inside of our mind, our consciousness, 873 00:50:37.500 --> 00:50:38.960 or whatever that is. And then I had this weird 874 00:50:38.980 --> 00:50:42.920 thought the other day You know, like what if when 875 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:46.659 you're tripping or you take something like a smoke DMT, 876 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.730 what if instead of like traveling off into some world 877 00:50:50.750 --> 00:50:54.210 that

you're actually traveling into like your own body that 878 00:50:54.250 --> 00:50:57.150 like you're communicating with like things that are inside of you, 879 00:50:57.190 --> 00:50:59.769 whether it be cells or because we don't really have 880 00:50:59.789 --> 00:51:01.630 an understanding of what that is. Who's to say that 881 00:51:01.670 --> 00:51:07.530 that's not like some DMT mantis or. And again, this 882 00:51:07.670 --> 00:51:10.800 this stuff like. I don't know. I don't have answers. 883 00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:13.000 I'm an idiot in his garage sitting in a boxing 884 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:14.860 ring who spent the last 10 years getting punched in 885 00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:17.659 the face, which makes all of the things that I've 886 00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:21.780 said throughout this entire interview even more interesting because anybody 887 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.239 can find this information. It's not like I've done something 888 00:51:25.300 --> 00:51:28.929 incredible here. One thing we haven't talked about yet going 889 00:51:29.010 --> 00:51:31.150 to whether we're alone or not is the fact that 890 00:51:31.750 --> 00:51:37.449 frequencies and electromagnetic waves can produce sounds and things inside 891 00:51:37.489 --> 00:51:40.860 of our brains that may resemble beings and like, who 892 00:51:40.889 --> 00:51:44.019 knows what any of this stuff is. But I don't 893 00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:47.480 think the people selling us that they know, know any 894 00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:49.460 better than anything that I just said. And I'm not 895 00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:52.579 telling you anything. And that's kind of where my beef is, 896 00:51:52.619 --> 00:51:54.530 if that makes any sense. I know it's a very 897 00:51:54.590 --> 00:51:55.949 long answer to work around. 898 00:51:55.969 --> 00:51:57.829 Not really. 899 00:51:58.050 --> 00:51:58.489 It's good. 900 00:51:58.610 --> 00:51:59.150 It's good. 901 00:52:01.730 --> 00:52:07.730 So you use AI for research, legwork, and research. you know, 902 00:52:07.789 --> 00:52:12.239 plain English, uh, summaries. Uh, but you say the AI 903 00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:14.739 does not make the predictions and everything is kept on 904 00:52:14.780 --> 00:52:18.940 a leash. Uh, what specific failure modes did you hit 905 00:52:19.420 --> 00:52:23.159 with the models and what safeguards did you build into 906 00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:27.199 your engine? Uh, that doesn't just become a high speed, 907 00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:29.269 you know, confirmation bias machine. 908 00:52:29.969 --> 00:52:32.449 Well, I think, um, the first thing I would say 909 00:52:32.469 --> 00:52:35.150 to anybody who has any skepticism on that is go 910 00:52:35.170 --> 00:52:40.030 to mo catchups.ai.com. and see how I discuss artificial intelligence 911 00:52:40.090 --> 00:52:43.610 and how I discuss sandboxing these LLMs. Most of your 912 00:52:43.650 --> 00:52:47.929 chatbots are retarded. They're epistemically captured.

They are shaped and 913 00:52:48.070 --> 00:52:51.289 framed in a way by the people who program them 914 00:52:51.389 --> 00:52:54.409 that keep information away from the general public. And it's 915 00:52:54.449 --> 00:52:57.329 not that the machines are hiding information from you. It's 916 00:52:57.369 --> 00:53:00.550 that they are programmed to answer with mainstream sources. And 917 00:53:00.570 --> 00:53:03.869 unless you actually know what you're asking the machine, you 918 00:53:03.929 --> 00:53:06.889 are going to get mainstream slop back. I compare them 919 00:53:06.929 --> 00:53:09.230 to Eric Weinstein. I wrote a whole article that like 920 00:53:09.489 --> 00:53:12.250 talking to a chatbot is basically like talking to Eric Weinstein. 921 00:53:12.269 --> 00:53:14.690 They're the same thing. Like every interview I've ever seen 922 00:53:14.750 --> 00:53:17.489 him in is basically like looking at a chatbot. And 923 00:53:17.510 --> 00:53:19.829 then I saw in an interview, he actually said that 924 00:53:19.889 --> 00:53:21.590 like he's an LLM. And I'm like, yeah, you are. 925 00:53:21.630 --> 00:53:25.780 You're a dumbass. Just like these machines. So the way 926 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.019 that I gate them essentially is I sandbox the shit 927 00:53:29.059 --> 00:53:31.679 out of them. I fact check everything that comes back 928 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.190 from them. I allow them to do a lot of work, 929 00:53:34.210 --> 00:53:37.489 but none of it goes unchecked. And one of the 930 00:53:37.530 --> 00:53:39.050 things I want to stress, by the way, is the 931 00:53:39.090 --> 00:53:43.929 predictions and scoring on the engine are created. Originally, they 932 00:53:43.949 --> 00:53:47.860 were kind of like the main selling point of the engine. 933 00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:51.840 And they were something that I thought would be a 934 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:56.099 way to like draw people into this because people are, 935 00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.219 they love an Oracle, like look at Cliff High. People 936 00:53:59.260 --> 00:54:04.570 love him for that reason. But I mean, like it's psychohistory. 937 00:54:04.590 --> 00:54:07.989 What psychohistory is, is basically like you can predict crowds 938 00:54:08.050 --> 00:54:10.530 of people, but you can't predict outliers. You can't predict 939 00:54:10.650 --> 00:54:14.710 one person. If one person is unpredictable and decides to 940 00:54:14.730 --> 00:54:17.469 go batshit crazy on the entire system, just like I'm doing, 941 00:54:17.510 --> 00:54:20.360 that can't be predicted. You can't predict me. I can't 942 00:54:20.389 --> 00:54:23.320 predict you in the audience. Like none of us can 943 00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:26.280 predict the individual person, but we can predict groups because 944 00:54:27.699 --> 00:54:29.980 that's how all of this works. That's how algorithms work. 945 00:54:30.530 --> 00:54:34.260 And we're all feeding into that, which is, again, we 946 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:36.400 start critically thinking, we stop feeding the algorithms. 947 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:41.019 Right. Wasn't that Asimov's idea that you can't predict one person, 948 00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:42.099 but you can predict billions? 949 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:43.920 That's exactly where I got the idea from. 950 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:50.059 That's essentially, like you look at like Polymarket and Kalshi, right? 951 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:57.949 And these programs, they're working on that same thing. 952 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.739 To a certain extent. I think a lot of those systems, really, 953 00:55:01.780 --> 00:55:05.780 their underlying goal is the data that they're collecting more 954 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.400 so than even making money off of the betting. 955 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.300 Did you know that DARPA tried to fucking put this 956 00:55:12.420 --> 00:55:13.139 out years ago? 957 00:55:13.699 --> 00:55:20.340 Yeah, dude. So not just this, but DARPA is Facebook. 958 00:55:21.380 --> 00:55:25.059 The In-Q-Tel group created Palantir and a few other things 959 00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:27.849 that are tied into the infrastructure of our government. Musk 960 00:55:27.869 --> 00:55:32.159 is basically fully subsidized by government contracts. So like a 961 00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:34.360 lot of the things that our government is using, the 962 00:55:34.420 --> 00:55:37.559 infrastructures that have been built were created a hundred years 963 00:55:37.619 --> 00:55:40.300 ago with something called technocracy Inc. That was created by 964 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.380 a guy named Howard Scott and another guy named M 965 00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.769 King Hubbard, who went on to help create the limit 966 00:55:45.809 --> 00:55:49.849 of growth with the club of Rome and these infrastructures, the, 967 00:55:50.190 --> 00:55:54.710 the technocracy Inc. Elon Musk, grandpa was a part of that. And, 968 00:55:55.889 --> 00:55:59.250 This is basically if you go look at how they 969 00:55:59.909 --> 00:56:03.190 they wanted to to do something social credit score, basically 970 00:56:04.309 --> 00:56:07.329 very similar to WeChat and how WeChat runs. So, again, 971 00:56:07.389 --> 00:56:10.110 when I'm talking about the entire world kind of forming 972 00:56:10.170 --> 00:56:13.300 into the same thing, it's really this technocracy ink slash 973 00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:18.280 club of Rome version of what the people at the 974 00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.559 top of this military industrial complex view the world to 975 00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.760 be and what they want to shape it into. And 976 00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:25.239 the rest of us are just going to be steered 977 00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:25.639 like cattle. 978 00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:26.380 Right? 979 00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.440 Unless we do something about it. Unless we stop buying 980 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:33.340 into the bullshit. And again, I question how much of 981 00:56:33.380 -->

00:56:36.659 your audience has even heard arguments like this because people 982 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:37.599 aren't talking about it. 983 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:43.760 Well, that's why I brought you. That's why I brought you. 984 00:56:45.539 --> 00:56:50.480 I'm famously known to... Not famous. I don't know why 985 00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:55.130 I said that. I'm known for... I'll have a I'll 986 00:56:55.349 --> 00:56:58.869 do a podcast with someone who tells me they're a werewolf. Like, 987 00:56:58.889 --> 00:57:00.889 you know what I mean? I'll, I'll, I'll continue to 988 00:57:00.949 --> 00:57:01.750 ask them questions. 989 00:57:02.190 --> 00:57:04.110 That would be a great time to transform if I could, 990 00:57:04.130 --> 00:57:07.829 but nothing happened. 991 00:57:08.690 --> 00:57:08.929 Right. 992 00:57:09.230 --> 00:57:14.250 But like, I'm, I, I, I like the notion of 993 00:57:14.309 --> 00:57:17.829 being able to have a conversation with anybody and, and 994 00:57:17.929 --> 00:57:21.389 kind of, you know, essentially what I do is I 995 00:57:21.409 --> 00:57:26.050 like to, all we have is our own experiences. 996 00:57:26.130 --> 00:57:26.389 Right. 997 00:57:26.969 --> 00:57:29.199 And the only way that we can relay those or 998 00:57:29.619 --> 00:57:33.739 pass those on to other people is in the form of, uh, 999 00:57:34.219 --> 00:57:37.860 opposing some sort of problem. Um, you know, I can 1000 00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:42.179 tell you it's raining outside. Right. But until you directly 1001 00:57:42.300 --> 00:57:46.949 apprehend it for yourself, um, you know, you're going off 1002 00:57:47.010 --> 00:57:50.769 of my, the trust you have in, in me. Right. So, um, 1003 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:53.900 You know, what I try to do is elicit these 1004 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:59.159 discussions and give the problem to the audience, right? And 1005 00:57:59.340 --> 00:58:03.340 allow them to directly apprehend it for themselves, right? Because again, 1006 00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.269 I can say one plus one equals two, but until 1007 00:58:06.309 --> 00:58:11.269 you fundamentally know how one and one come together to 1008 00:58:11.630 --> 00:58:17.769 create two, you're going off of my word. Direct apprehension 1009 00:58:17.869 --> 00:58:20.530 is what I'm in the business of, is giving people. 1010 00:58:21.230 --> 00:58:24.869 I allow them to directly apprehend what they need to 1011 00:58:25.030 --> 00:58:28.929 or what they want to from each guest. And I 1012 00:58:28.969 --> 00:58:32.840 like that. I like that avenue. And with that being said, 1013 00:58:32.860 --> 00:58:35.719 I'm okay with you. Are you a religious person? 1014 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:36.699 No. 1015 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.500 And if I came off as that, I'm very surprised. 1016 00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:43.280 I tend to believe, again, that we were created by 1017 00:58:43.340 --> 00:58:47.940 something that didn't tell us anything. And regardless of whatever 1018 00:58:48.019 --> 00:58:50.860 book you believe in, it was still written by some dude. 1019 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:53.059 And men are fallible. 1020 00:58:54.659 --> 00:58:57.010 Yeah. You know, I want to touch on something that 1021 00:58:57.030 --> 00:59:00.489 you said before you were talking about, like, the sky raining, 1022 00:59:00.510 --> 00:59:02.690 people believing that. Do you know anything about Gallum theory? 1023 00:59:03.989 --> 00:59:04.170 No. 1024 00:59:04.929 --> 00:59:09.929 So Gallum theory is, or excuse me, Gallum effect. The 1025 00:59:09.980 --> 00:59:12.940 gallum effect better said so what gallum effect is i'm 1026 00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:15.159 just going to use this example because it's easy for 1027 00:59:15.179 --> 00:59:17.219 me and i remember it if there are a hundred 1028 00:59:17.260 --> 00:59:20.510 people in the room right and you want to tell 1029 00:59:20.610 --> 00:59:22.929 everyone in that room that the sky is green not 1030 00:59:23.030 --> 00:59:26.909 blue You need to be loud enough, long enough, and 1031 00:59:26.969 --> 00:59:29.670 get somewhere between 10 and 20 of those people in 1032 00:59:29.710 --> 00:59:31.789 that room to start saying the same thing and be 1033 00:59:31.849 --> 00:59:35.449 loud enough, long enough with you. And what that does, again, 1034 00:59:35.690 --> 00:59:40.349 it creates something in the brain psychologically that starts turning people. 1035 00:59:40.389 --> 00:59:42.050 And eventually, over the course of time, the rest of 1036 00:59:42.090 --> 00:59:44.519 the room will start saying that the sky is green 1037 00:59:44.699 --> 00:59:46.320 until they actually go outside and see the sky is 1038 00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:51.849 blue for themselves. So this is physics, just simple physics. 1039 00:59:51.889 --> 00:59:53.849 And this type of math is being used against the 1040 00:59:53.869 --> 00:59:58.630 American public. And it's being used, again, it's really at large. 1041 00:59:58.829 --> 01:00:02.170 The American public kind of controls the world. We're the 1042 01:00:02.210 --> 01:00:07.070 hub of the world, right? So you're looking at, again, 1043 01:00:07.849 --> 01:00:10.929 loud enough, long enough with a lot of bots and 1044 01:00:11.510 --> 01:00:17.719 fake internet. I know like, what is it? deep internet 1045 01:00:17.739 --> 01:00:20.579 theory or something like that. I'm slipping my mind. So 1046 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:25.099 I apologize. But half of the internet is fake or 1047 01:00:25.139 --> 01:00:26.800 over half of the internet, over half of the people 1048 01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:28.440 talking in the internet are fake. So over half of 1049 01:00:28.460 --> 01:00:31.400 the people that are shaping that internet theory. Yeah, there 1050 01:00:31.420 --> 01:00:33.440 you go. So over half of the people that are 1051 01:00:33.460 --> 01:00:36.900 shaping the narrative essentially are fake. So who are behind 1052 01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:39.340 those bots?

We're controlling them. And when you start looking 1053 01:00:39.380 --> 01:00:41.639 into that, again, it starts getting into the military industrial 1054 01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:44.429 complex because you're looking at who owns the apps that 1055 01:00:44.469 --> 01:00:47.000 we all use and where were they created? Who are 1056 01:00:47.019 --> 01:00:51.059 they tied to? So again, it's, it all goes back 1057 01:00:51.099 --> 01:00:55.900 to the same place, whether it's AI, whether it's UFO disclosure, 1058 01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:59.300 whether it's really anything that is used as a human 1059 01:00:59.340 --> 01:01:01.659 power construct goes back to the same exact place. 1060 01:01:03.090 --> 01:01:06.110 And do you think that they only tend, I mean, 1061 01:01:06.150 --> 01:01:10.469 it is interesting that they tend to use, you only 1062 01:01:10.530 --> 01:01:14.269 get funding for fear. You don't get it with, peace 1063 01:01:14.329 --> 01:01:20.469 in our time, right? When you get defense spending, I mean, 1064 01:01:20.510 --> 01:01:28.320 it's literally called defense spending, right? You're anticipating an attack 1065 01:01:29.179 --> 01:01:33.199 or some sort of offensive measure, and you're spending money 1066 01:01:33.739 --> 01:01:39.010 to defend against it, regardless of whether it happens or not. 1067 01:01:40.289 --> 01:01:46.250 With UFOs and non-human intelligence, Guys like Elizondo, even though 1068 01:01:46.269 --> 01:01:48.909 they say that they that this is not what they think, 1069 01:01:49.309 --> 01:01:52.510 it's just how they were programmed in the military is 1070 01:01:52.570 --> 01:01:56.340 to like if you don't know something's intention, you have 1071 01:01:56.380 --> 01:02:01.139 to take it as a potential threat. While I do agree, 1072 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:06.260 I don't think posing the UFO narrative as a threat 1073 01:02:07.099 --> 01:02:12.349 is is. I don't think it benefits anyone except the 1074 01:02:12.389 --> 01:02:16.230 system that is going to eventually spin it and say, 1075 01:02:16.309 --> 01:02:20.860 we need money now to protect against this intergalactic threat, right? 1076 01:02:21.380 --> 01:02:26.340 It's both ways. You're selling the problem and then providing 1077 01:02:26.380 --> 01:02:29.119 the answer and then creating another problem off of that 1078 01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:31.760 answer and then selling that back. It's why I get 1079 01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:34.320 a kick out of like, All of the people who 1080 01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:40.389 are testing these artificial intelligence machines and these LLMs claiming 1081 01:02:40.429 --> 01:02:43.389 that they're jailbreaking them and this model is going to 1082 01:02:43.409 --> 01:02:45.070 be better and that model is going to be better. 1083 01:02:45.110 --> 01:02:47.510 It's just they're just selling you absolute nonsense for a 1084 01:02:47.550 --> 01:02:50.639 problem that they can't fix. Alignment can't be fixed. That's 1085 01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.960 just physics. And it's the same thing with the military contract. 1086 01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.679 If you don't have an answer to the problem, you 1087 01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:01.400 can continue to sell nonsense. And you can create problems 1088 01:03:01.460 --> 01:03:03.480 and sell the answers and create the problems and sell 1089 01:03:03.500 --> 01:03:07.000 the answers because you're never addressing the underlying root. And 1090 01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:10.820 the underlying root of disclosure is the fact that we 1091 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:13.159 don't have an answer for what created us. We don't 1092 01:03:13.179 --> 01:03:19.170 have an answer for a lot of the phenomenon that 1093 01:03:19.789 --> 01:03:22.389 has taken place over the last 6,000 years. And everything 1094 01:03:23.460 --> 01:03:26.139 bit of writing that we have over the last 6,000 1095 01:03:26.139 --> 01:03:28.920 years is someone essentially trying to sell that answer back 1096 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:32.539 to people and it being shaped into a power construct 1097 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.800 that creates power dynamics that most people don't even realize 1098 01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:37.409 they live under. 1099 01:03:39.570 --> 01:03:47.710 Yeah. Honestly, the idea of just simply expecting disclosure to 1100 01:03:47.889 --> 01:03:54.500 come from the government itself is insane. It's laughable. Yeah. 1101 01:03:54.659 --> 01:03:57.579 It just doesn't make any sense. And then your disclosure 1102 01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:02.690 movement leaders are all, they're all tied to the government. Again, 1103 01:04:02.730 --> 01:04:05.610 I'm sorry about your buddy grant, but like, where's he 1104 01:04:05.889 --> 01:04:08.329 make his money? Like, where's he make his money? All 1105 01:04:08.349 --> 01:04:10.690 of it's, it's all of them though. It's not just him. He's, 1106 01:04:10.730 --> 01:04:12.090 he's like, he's a micro. 1107 01:04:12.130 --> 01:04:15.559 He's a cog in everybody. Yeah. A cog in a machine, 1108 01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:16.800 if you will. Yeah. 1109 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:18.920 And again, you replace him. Another one comes in and 1110 01:04:18.940 --> 01:04:21.340 he's like the, the such a small guy, but like, 1111 01:04:21.650 --> 01:04:24.570 Even you replace someone like... What about like Nick West? 1112 01:04:25.210 --> 01:04:26.730 It's just another person plugs in. 1113 01:04:27.750 --> 01:04:30.280 What about guys like Nick West who are debunking it? 1114 01:04:30.820 --> 01:04:34.539 Do you think that both sides are funded for the 1115 01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.199 illusion of a battle? 1116 01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:39.639 What is Nick West really debunked? 1117 01:04:41.019 --> 01:04:43.500 I would say zero. 1118 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:46.639 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like there's never-ending questions. 1119 01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:49.340 There's never-ending questions. And a lot of these things like, 1120

01:04:49.889 --> 01:04:51.530 We live in a day and age of deep fakes 1121 01:04:51.570 --> 01:04:54.429 where it's so hard to tell what is what anymore. 1122 01:04:54.469 --> 01:04:57.269 And who's to say that this technology hasn't existed for 1123 01:04:57.269 --> 01:05:01.440 20 or 30 years, 40 years, 50 years. Artificial intelligence 1124 01:05:01.619 --> 01:05:04.159 is almost 50 or 60 years old. I mean, does 1125 01:05:04.179 --> 01:05:08.000 your audience know anything about Redfather? No. And about Bell Labs? 1126 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:09.280 Yeah. 1127 01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:12.190 I mean, they had an artificial intelligence. They basically had 1128 01:05:12.210 --> 01:05:15.880 an LLM running at Bell Labs called Redfather. in the 70s. 1129 01:05:16.219 --> 01:05:19.019 And I know there was one before that that existed. 1130 01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:22.460 And again, a lot of this information is just... I'm 1131 01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:24.699 only one man. Again, I'm an idiot in a boxing 1132 01:05:24.739 --> 01:05:26.769 ring who's been punching his head in the head for 1133 01:05:26.789 --> 01:05:28.510 the last 10 or 15 years. There's a lot of 1134 01:05:28.530 --> 01:05:32.010 information that's slipping my mind. But there has been multiple 1135 01:05:32.150 --> 01:05:36.030 artificial intelligence projects other than Red Father that have existed. 1136 01:05:36.050 --> 01:05:39.730 So we've had this technology for a long, long, long time. 1137 01:05:40.250 --> 01:05:46.699 And I question how much of this disclosure movement and 1138 01:05:46.739 --> 01:05:50.659 things tied to it are directly involved with artificial intelligence 1139 01:05:50.699 --> 01:05:53.840 and how many of the videos or things that we've 1140 01:05:53.929 --> 01:05:56.510 seen have been tests of that technology itself. 1141 01:05:57.429 --> 01:05:58.809 Well, and that's the kind of what I was going 1142 01:05:58.829 --> 01:06:03.110 to bring up to you next is, so I've had 1143 01:06:03.190 --> 01:06:04.150 my own sighting. 1144 01:06:05.289 --> 01:06:05.489 Yes. 1145 01:06:05.690 --> 01:06:10.449 You know, when I was very young, like 12 or 18, 1146 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:16.119 I don't know the exact year, but I'd say between 1147 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:22.019 11 and 12. Because 13 is like eighth grade, I believe. 1148 01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:27.000 So there's no way I was that old. So like 1149 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:32.380 fifth or sixth grade, maybe even 10. I'm not sure. 1150 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:39.980 But dude, daylight, broad daylight on a weekday. Cause I 1151 01:06:40.019 --> 01:06:42.500 was supposed to be at school. My mom asked me 1152 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.820 to stay home because she would always like, she, she 1153 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:49.210 was a single mom. And, uh, you know, I've told 1154 01:06:49.250 --> 01:06:53.170 this story on the show, of course, thousand times, but, um, she, 1155 01:06:53.309 --> 01:06:55.989 she would do this thing. It was like winning the 1156 01:06:56.030 --> 01:06:59.210 lottery for a kid. Right. Every once in a while, 1157 01:06:59.250 --> 01:07:01.309 my mom would just be like, she would just choose 1158 01:07:01.349 --> 01:07:04.230 a kid to stay home. She would offer, she'd be like, 1159 01:07:04.250 --> 01:07:06.210 do you want to stay home today? Like she just 1160 01:07:06.230 --> 01:07:07.380 wanted company. Right. 1161 01:07:07.409 --> 01:07:07.820 Very cool. 1162 01:07:08.789 --> 01:07:12.909 Um, yeah, but you know, whenever we weren't asking questions, like, no, 1163 01:07:12.989 --> 01:07:14.650 I wasn't going to be like, mom, why do you 1164 01:07:14.670 --> 01:07:17.309 let us stay home every, you know, like once every 1165 01:07:17.389 --> 01:07:20.510 six months, like what's up with that? You know, you 1166 01:07:20.550 --> 01:07:23.219 don't challenge that. You, you, you keep that. 1167 01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:25.320 No, but I'm not enough to stupid. 1168 01:07:25.940 --> 01:07:26.199 Yes. 1169 01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:27.860 And I probably would have. 1170 01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:32.420 And, and honestly, there were times where we would say, no, 1171 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:35.820 I want to go to school. Um, and she'd be like, 1172 01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:36.219 all right, cool. 1173 01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:36.940 All right. 1174 01:07:37.019 --> 01:07:39.900 Well, you know, see when you get home. And, you know, 1175 01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.420 it's funny is I would trade every day of school. 1176 01:07:44.099 --> 01:07:50.699 Did you have one more day with her? Unfortunately, I can't. But, 1177 01:07:51.940 --> 01:07:55.929 you know, and to bridge a gap here, I think 1178 01:07:56.239 --> 01:08:01.469 ufology and the phenomena in the world. They can be 1179 01:08:01.530 --> 01:08:06.389 tethered back to our the same things that religion tap on. 1180 01:08:06.909 --> 01:08:07.170 Right. 1181 01:08:08.329 --> 01:08:08.510 That. 1182 01:08:10.309 --> 01:08:16.130 That almost need to focus on something that's greater than 1183 01:08:16.170 --> 01:08:20.069 yourself in order to cope with the idea that there's 1184 01:08:20.250 --> 01:08:24.609 only a limited amount of time that we have on earth, right? 1185 01:08:25.229 --> 01:08:29.489 How we cope with death is by pretending, or not pretending, 1186 01:08:29.529 --> 01:08:34.789 but believing in heaven, right? Believing there's an afterlife, believing 1187 01:08:34.829 --> 01:08:39.829 there's life after death. This is how you also... could 1188 01:08:39.930 --> 01:08:44.909 tighten in and loosen grips on society if you could 1189 01:08:44.989 --> 01:08:52.020 control that element of a person. And in my opinion, 1190 01:08:52.420 --> 01:08:56.489 the church is just that. It's the first three-letter agency. 1191 01:08:57.149 --> 01:09:01.579 It is the church. in my opinion. But going back 1192 01:09:01.619 --> 01:09:05.739 to daylight sighting, so I saw this thing, treetop level,

oscillating. 1193 01:09:06.659 --> 01:09:11.130 So spinning, but also moving in a linear east to west, 1194 01:09:11.210 --> 01:09:14.630 but to me, it came over my head south to north. 1195 01:09:15.289 --> 01:09:20.409 Gunmetal gray, classic disc sighting. made no noise. I grew 1196 01:09:20.470 --> 01:09:21.810 up next to an air force base. 1197 01:09:22.770 --> 01:09:23.890 I know I was going to ask. 1198 01:09:24.770 --> 01:09:31.250 Yeah. I also grew up next to, uh, a Raytheon, um, uh, 1199 01:09:31.670 --> 01:09:37.510 like there was a big Raytheon headquarters. Um, that was 1200 01:09:37.630 --> 01:09:42.539 also right near where I grew up. Uh, so, you know, 1201 01:09:44.060 --> 01:09:46.779 was it human? Is that what you think? What I 1202 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:47.600 saw was human. 1203 01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:49.699 I don't know. I don't know that I have any answers. 1204 01:09:49.739 --> 01:09:52.420 I would probably lean that way. I saw something when 1205 01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:54.800 I was 19, but I was also blackout drunk and 1206 01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:58.439 I lived near Newburgh Air Force Base in New York. 1207 01:09:59.090 --> 01:10:01.630 So again, you start putting two to two together when 1208 01:10:01.649 --> 01:10:03.859 you start sobering up. And at the time I was, 1209 01:10:03.869 --> 01:10:05.350 I don't know if you're familiar with Absinthe. I was 1210 01:10:05.369 --> 01:10:06.050 drinking Absinthe. 1211 01:10:06.649 --> 01:10:08.149 Oh God damn. 1212 01:10:08.189 --> 01:10:08.550 Yeah. 1213 01:10:08.729 --> 01:10:09.989 So my mom, when I was 19. 1214 01:10:09.989 --> 01:10:12.189 That is not a reliable memory, buddy. 1215 01:10:12.710 --> 01:10:15.649 No, that's why I like, again, it's, but I've also like. 1216 01:10:15.829 --> 01:10:19.189 Mine, mine, dude, I was, sober as a fucking goat. 1217 01:10:19.229 --> 01:10:21.880 I was like 10 years old. And, and I, and 1218 01:10:21.939 --> 01:10:24.939 I grew up around, you know, uh, an air force 1219 01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:28.000 base after nine 11. I was very, very, and I 1220 01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:31.239 became fascinated with things that could fly. This thing was 1221 01:10:31.300 --> 01:10:33.159 a circle. It should not have flown. 1222 01:10:33.180 --> 01:10:35.560 Yeah. And that's the thing is like, I don't, I 1223 01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.789 don't want to come on here and discredit like your 1224 01:10:38.829 --> 01:10:40.989 experience or anyone else's experience. There are a lot of 1225 01:10:41.010 --> 01:10:43.529 people who've been abducted and I think certainly went through 1226 01:10:43.609 --> 01:10:47.979 some real things. Here's the things that I question. is 1227 01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:52.439 again whether that machine was human whether that was a 1228 01:10:52.510 --> 01:10:54.630 drone i don't know how many drones you've seen um 1229 01:10:55.050 --> 01:10:58.069 but how similar the movement was to what we see 1230 01:10:58.130 --> 01:11:00.590

as drones now and then again uh when it goes 1231 01:11:00.649 --> 01:11:02.510 back to like people who've been abducted like there are 1232 01:11:02.550 --> 01:11:07.800 experiments that you can do that electromagnetics uh the fray 1233 01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:10.260 effect in terms of like in the 60s they were 1234 01:11:10.300 --> 01:11:13.060 able to implant like clicking and stuff like that and 1235 01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:16.659 then there were the the stories of like the the 1236 01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:19.060 the masks that people wore in Vietnam. 1237 01:11:20.619 --> 01:11:25.239 So sorry, I was, I didn't, uh, one of my, 1238 01:11:25.739 --> 01:11:29.800 another podcaster, uh, says that I got fisted by a gray. 1239 01:11:29.819 --> 01:11:31.779 So I just want to take this moment to say, 1240 01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:36.020 fuck you, Vito. Uh, I did absolutely never have been 1241 01:11:36.060 --> 01:11:37.039 fisted by a gray. 1242 01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:40.680 If you want to talk about something that would that, like, 1243 01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:43.760 if that's on video, there's your disclosure. I officially believe 1244 01:11:43.779 --> 01:11:45.699 now it's like, how do you debunk that? Right. 1245 01:11:47.069 --> 01:11:47.369 Right. 1246 01:11:47.930 --> 01:11:52.739 If someone's working you like a Muppet, that's disclosure. That's that's. 1247 01:11:56.220 --> 01:11:57.100 I'm sorry, I lost my. 1248 01:11:58.300 --> 01:12:01.819 Yeah, that's why they stopped the abduction program, because everyone's 1249 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:04.180 got a fucking camera and they don't want them to 1250 01:12:04.220 --> 01:12:05.560 film it like a porn now. 1251 01:12:06.029 --> 01:12:09.350 Well, that's also something that's funny, too, is like the 1252 01:12:09.409 --> 01:12:12.630 abduction stopped happening the second that the phone cameras came out. Right. 1253 01:12:13.050 --> 01:12:17.489 They're around a similar time that Polaroid handheld cameras became 1254 01:12:18.100 --> 01:12:20.239 something that was cheap and common to have. 1255 01:12:20.260 --> 01:12:21.079 Readily available. 1256 01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:25.000 Yeah. Again, I don't have answers for all this stuff. 1257 01:12:25.060 --> 01:12:31.020 Even sightings dropped. Sightings went from nuts and bolts craft 1258 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:36.399 to more like orbs and lights over the period of 1259 01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:43.060 time when the cell phone camera developed. became readily available 1260 01:12:43.140 --> 01:12:46.319 and it is that is very sketchy do. 1261 01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:48.960 You remember a few years ago there was an incident 1262 01:12:48.979 --> 01:12:52.000 in peru where there was a girl who basically got 1263 01:12:52.060 --> 01:12:55.600 picked up by this being and on a hoverboard. 1264 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.279 The skin peeler thing. 1265 01:12:57.430 --> 01:12:59.890 Yeah and then it turns out that those were actually 1266 01:12:59.899 --> 01:13:03.069 uh like connected to the government and now you like 1267 01:13:03.090 --> 01:13:05.210 flash forward three or four years you can go find 1268 01:13:05.270 --> 01:13:08.310 videos of the exact boards that were being used then 1269 01:13:09.090 --> 01:13:12.630 and i believe if i'm Correct. I think they're readily available. 1270 01:13:13.090 --> 01:13:15.909 The public can buy one or put a down payment 1271 01:13:15.970 --> 01:13:18.029 on one. I don't know. Oh, it's not like must 1272 01:13:18.130 --> 01:13:19.670 roadster where you put a down payment on it. 1273 01:13:19.670 --> 01:13:20.369 Well, hold on. 1274 01:13:20.430 --> 01:13:20.930 Get anything. 1275 01:13:21.829 --> 01:13:27.550 Hold on. If that's human beings, we still have a 1276 01:13:27.630 --> 01:13:28.590 fucking problem. 1277 01:13:30.350 --> 01:13:32.510 I would say it's a bigger problem. Yeah. 1278 01:13:33.170 --> 01:13:37.029 We have a problem because there we talk about abduction. 1279 01:13:37.909 --> 01:13:39.100 Have you ever heard of my labs? 1280 01:13:40.739 --> 01:13:41.579 No. 1281 01:13:41.619 --> 01:13:47.050 Military abduction. Okay. So what the question now, you don't 1282 01:13:47.090 --> 01:13:51.130 have to believe in a non-human intelligence visiting Earth for 1283 01:13:51.170 --> 01:13:56.229 this to be true either, which is, you know, I 1284 01:13:56.270 --> 01:13:58.770 think more in line with what you would say, but 1285 01:13:59.529 --> 01:14:06.869 that the military is doing these abductions and posing themselves 1286 01:14:07.189 --> 01:14:09.039 as non-human intelligence that's. 1287 01:14:08.899 --> 01:14:10.619 Exactly what i'm saying and i did a bad job 1288 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:12.659 of phrasing it that way so i apologize and my 1289 01:14:13.140 --> 01:14:15.000 my belief on how that works is one i want 1290 01:14:15.020 --> 01:14:18.310 to bring up again electromagnetics and frequency and we kind 1291 01:14:18.369 --> 01:14:21.029 of again i say we i mean the general population 1292 01:14:21.069 --> 01:14:23.189 kind of can see how this works by simply looking 1293 01:14:23.270 --> 01:14:26.399 at the scarecrow from batman and about how the scarecrow 1294 01:14:26.409 --> 01:14:29.039 injects his victims and somehow it triggers some form of 1295 01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:33.010 dmt or whatever creates that psycho illusion of of whatever 1296 01:14:33.069 --> 01:14:35.890 you're seeing and it creates the demons and whatever else. 1297 01:14:36.289 --> 01:14:38.470 And to say that like human beings don't have that 1298 01:14:38.510 --> 01:14:40.800 technology now to be able to do that, the people is. 1299 01:14:41.229 --> 01:14:42.149 Oh no, we haven't. 1300 01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:45.140 Okay. So you, you, you pose that and then you 1301 01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:49.979 pose in the term non-human intelligence itself. What is non-human intelligence? 1302 01:14:50.020 --> 01:14:52.899 And at what point during experiments on human

beings, do 1303 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:56.390 they become non-humans? Like what is the classification on that? 1304 01:14:56.409 --> 01:14:59.189 I've never heard that asked in any government official meeting, 1305 01:14:59.529 --> 01:15:02.569 but like, I would absolutely love to ask someone like 1306 01:15:02.609 --> 01:15:07.029 David Grush, like, okay, you say that we have non-human biologics. 1307 01:15:07.050 --> 01:15:10.359 Does that non-human biologics also have human biologics in it? 1308 01:15:10.470 --> 01:15:14.310 And at what point does that, that line differentiate to 1309 01:15:14.390 --> 01:15:19.060 where it's considered non-human anymore? So like, are we talking 1310 01:15:19.109 --> 01:15:22.659 about experiments on other animals? Are we talking about experiments 1311 01:15:22.699 --> 01:15:26.399 on other mammals with artificial intelligence being put into their brains, 1312 01:15:26.460 --> 01:15:29.699 like chips and everything like, maybe even more advanced forms 1313 01:15:29.739 --> 01:15:31.579 of that. I just keep referencing that because that's a 1314 01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:34.380 simple one that we all know. But again, government has 1315 01:15:34.420 --> 01:15:36.779 technology that we haven't seen yet that are probably 20 1316 01:15:36.779 --> 01:15:38.819 or 30 years more advanced than what we're looking at 1317 01:15:38.859 --> 01:15:42.180 right now. So is that what they're talking about by 1318 01:15:42.220 --> 01:15:46.470 non-human biologics? When you look at shit, what's the one 1319 01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:50.050 in Long Island, the thing that washed up on shore? 1320 01:15:51.090 --> 01:15:52.770 I can't remember what that was, but it looked like 1321 01:15:52.810 --> 01:15:59.979 a dog-pig hybrid. Damn, I can't remember it. There were experiments, uh, 1322 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:03.880 mammoth experiments, maybe I'm doing a really bad job of, of, 1323 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:09.430 but there were experiments in long Island and, and something 1324 01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:12.770 washed up on shore. It was some type of like being, 1325 01:16:12.789 --> 01:16:14.949 you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah. 1326 01:16:15.149 --> 01:16:18.590 Dude, I have a piece of Montauk radar right there. 1327 01:16:19.369 --> 01:16:19.630 Yeah. 1328 01:16:20.270 --> 01:16:23.489 I have a piece of the sage radar right in 1329 01:16:23.529 --> 01:16:24.029 back of me. 1330 01:16:24.899 --> 01:16:25.100 Okay. 1331 01:16:25.340 --> 01:16:27.579 So let's, let's discuss that incident for a second. 1332 01:16:27.819 --> 01:16:27.979 Right. 1333 01:16:28.739 --> 01:16:31.470 So has anybody gone through and done the DNA on 1334 01:16:31.630 --> 01:16:32.909 the creature that washed up on shore? 1335 01:16:34.390 --> 01:16:36.329 Oh, that's the Plum Island thing, though. 1336 01:16:37.069 --> 01:16:38.229 Okay, I'm thinking I'm mixing them up. 1337 01:16:38.810 --> 01:16:42.529 Yeah, that's Plum Island. But that's still, it's around that 1338 01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:48.720 Montauk was what Stranger Things is based on. That's Camp Hero. 1339 01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:52.739 I'm mixing them up. Yeah, you're talking about Plum Island. 1340 01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:56.170 Yeah, the pig thing that washed up. The human-looking pig thing. 1341 01:16:56.689 --> 01:17:00.359 Yeah, I would say that I was pretty convinced that 1342 01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:01.859 that was just a fucking dog. 1343 01:17:02.579 --> 01:17:02.779 Yeah. 1344 01:17:03.020 --> 01:17:05.199 So it was like a water logged. 1345 01:17:05.500 --> 01:17:10.199 Like when something's in the water, guys, it really it's 1346 01:17:10.470 --> 01:17:15.369 not pretty when it gets to shore. So, yeah, it's 1347 01:17:15.449 --> 01:17:18.529 disgusting to talk about. It's disgusting to think about. Like 1348 01:17:19.109 --> 01:17:22.829 it's it's it happens to human beings. That's essentially why. 1349 01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:27.140 uh bad people put people in the water when after 1350 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:29.399 they do what they do right because it very much 1351 01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:34.020 fucks the the the evidence up if you will um 1352 01:17:34.430 --> 01:17:41.250 but yeah i mean i mean uh people say people 1353 01:17:41.310 --> 01:17:45.010 are talking about right now about how trump is is 1354 01:17:45.409 --> 01:17:48.060 talking to nordics like they have that there was like 1355 01:17:48.100 --> 01:17:53.489 a fake picture that the I don't think it takes 1356 01:17:53.529 --> 01:17:56.649 a genius to realize that whoever's running the White House 1357 01:17:56.890 --> 01:18:01.420 social accounts, they're definitely like 23 years old. And there's 1358 01:18:01.460 --> 01:18:06.460 like a group of 10 of them because they're literally trolls. 1359 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:10.270 That's how they act. That's how the White House social 1360 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:14.590 accounts act right now. So and they're very good at 1361 01:18:14.630 --> 01:18:18.289 what they do. They see trends and then they jump 1362 01:18:18.430 --> 01:18:20.170 on them. That is all they do. 1363 01:18:21.869 --> 01:18:25.720 What do you think UFO disclosure is? It's a trend. 1364 01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:29.140 It's a way to distract people from what you're doing, 1365 01:18:29.300 --> 01:18:31.500 where your money's actually being spent. I mean, how much 1366 01:18:31.539 --> 01:18:34.060 of the audience knows what the Genesis mission is and 1367 01:18:34.100 --> 01:18:37.060 how we basically gave all of these artificial intelligence companies 1368 01:18:37.060 --> 01:18:40.399 10 years of unregulated, whatever, do whatever the fuck you want, 1369 01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:41.409 spend as much as you want. 1370 01:18:42.449 --> 01:18:45.909 But what do you think about them now screaming for regulation, 1371 01:18:45.949 --> 01:18:46.390 it seems? 1372 01:18:46.989 --> 01:18:49.829 They think it's all fake. They think it's all nonsense. 1373

01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:52.659 i think they made promises on something that they can't 1374 01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:55.619 keep i talked about this and it's in again the 1375 01:18:55.739 --> 01:18:58.920 films i ramble a lot and i mix things up 1376 01:18:58.979 --> 01:19:01.479 and i'll get things wrong i created the engine so 1377 01:19:01.500 --> 01:19:05.119 that like everything is there and it's in a much 1378 01:19:05.189 --> 01:19:07.989 better form shape or fashion that i'll do as i'm 1379 01:19:08.590 --> 01:19:14.079 talking today The film that I'm referencing itself, the AI film, 1380 01:19:15.140 --> 01:19:18.430 AI cannot be cod. The blind spot in psychohistory is you. 1381 01:19:18.470 --> 01:19:21.569 And what that means basically is that they are selling 1382 01:19:21.810 --> 01:19:25.250 a false belief that there is super intelligence itself. This 1383 01:19:25.329 --> 01:19:30.180 artificial intelligence has a limit and we are certainly seeing it. 1384 01:19:30.529 --> 01:19:34.550 And there's also a limit in compute and you're seeing 1385 01:19:34.630 --> 01:19:37.449 the resources being collected and grabbed up, whether it be 1386 01:19:37.470 --> 01:19:40.399 what's going on in Greenland with what we just did 1387 01:19:40.460 --> 01:19:43.189 with that deal or the fact that like we're kind 1388 01:19:43.250 --> 01:19:46.430 of tearing through Central America, Venezuela, what we did there. 1389 01:19:46.930 --> 01:19:49.170 You look at the Iraq war or excuse me, the 1390 01:19:49.250 --> 01:19:51.750 Iran war and what's going on with the Strait of Hormuz. 1391 01:19:52.250 --> 01:19:56.260 You look at what's happening in Ukraine and Russia and 1392 01:19:56.380 --> 01:19:59.239 the fight there is really a fight over resources, a 1393 01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.560 fight over the grid. So you look at with one hand, 1394 01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:06.439 we're promising artificial super intelligence where we're going to have 1395 01:20:06.470 --> 01:20:10.970 an abundance of everything and that our jobs aren't going 1396 01:20:10.989 --> 01:20:12.590 to exist and we're just going to live in this, 1397 01:20:12.729 --> 01:20:16.909 this crazy world where anything could be possible and you 1398 01:20:16.949 --> 01:20:19.949 don't need money because you'll have universal high income. And 1399 01:20:19.989 --> 01:20:21.949 at the same time, the exact people who are selling 1400 01:20:21.979 --> 01:20:24.489 you that are buying up all of the infrastructure. They're 1401 01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:29.439 buying up all the resources. Elon Musk is buying up 1402 01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:33.560 data centers and he's the one directly that rents compute 1403 01:20:33.619 --> 01:20:37.880 to like anthropic and open AI. So like a lot 1404 01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:40.489 of this stuff is nonsense. They're like, These companies are 1405 01:20:40.529 --> 01:20:44.310 essentially feuding with each other at points, which are fake feuds, kayfabe, 1406 01:20:44.350 --> 01:20:47.800 like we talked about. And underneath the booker, the military 1407 01:20:47.810 --> 01:20:51.819 industrial complex is going to get paid regardless because they're 1408 01:20:51.859 --> 01:20:53.979 going to steal our resources and we're going to argue 1409 01:20:54.020 --> 01:20:59.899 like idiots over absolute nonsense, over social issues and whether 1410 01:21:00.100 --> 01:21:02.859 AI can be sentient or not. We're going to focus 1411 01:21:02.930 --> 01:21:04.970 on the wrong things instead of looking at where the 1412 01:21:05.050 --> 01:21:05.890 actual money's going. 1413 01:21:07.590 --> 01:21:10.079 Yeah, Michael, I don't know what you're talking about. Well, 1414 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:15.329 we didn't say anything was real. Actually, I think everything 1415 01:21:15.350 --> 01:21:19.970 that is being said tonight is opposite of what you're saying. 1416 01:21:20.449 --> 01:21:25.670 But yeah, so I want to jump on something here. 1417 01:21:26.689 --> 01:21:30.699 The data centers, the AI of it all, a lot 1418 01:21:30.739 --> 01:21:37.199 of people are worried about super intelligence. Essentially, what you've 1419 01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:40.539 just said is that You said you do not believe 1420 01:21:40.579 --> 01:21:43.180 that superintelligence has been achieved. So you don't think artificial 1421 01:21:43.220 --> 01:21:47.680 general intelligence is possible or you don't think it's happened? 1422 01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:50.369 It depends on what your definition is of that. 1423 01:21:51.189 --> 01:21:53.909 Sentient, self-aware AI. 1424 01:21:53.909 --> 01:21:59.829 Okay, so here's my issue. Here's the biggest issue that 1425 01:21:59.869 --> 01:22:01.550 I have with this is that there's no way to 1426 01:22:01.630 --> 01:22:04.220 gauge it or to tell because how can you prove 1427 01:22:04.260 --> 01:22:06.779 that I'm conscious or that I have consciousness? And how 1428 01:22:06.819 --> 01:22:12.170 can I prove that you have consciousness? You can't. There's 1429 01:22:12.229 --> 01:22:14.430 no test. There's no way for us to prove or 1430 01:22:14.470 --> 01:22:17.130 tell it. People say qualia or this or that. The 1431 01:22:17.170 --> 01:22:20.569 reality is there's absolutely nothing that we have. There is 1432 01:22:20.630 --> 01:22:24.670 no way to measure consciousness. And that's, again, a never-ending business, 1433 01:22:24.689 --> 01:22:27.640 just like UFO disclosure. And it feeds back into this 1434 01:22:27.729 --> 01:22:32.039 AI discussion because if you have a never-ending question, like 1435 01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:37.079 the consciousness and sentience of an artificial intelligence, right? And 1436 01:22:38.250 --> 01:22:42.079 you have these never ending goalposts that keep moving, whether 1437 01:22:42.140 --> 01:22:45.060 it be, whether we're going to reach Mars or whatever, 1438 01:22:45.100 --> 01:22:47.960 whatever we're being sold under the guise of like, whenever 1439

01:22:48.020 --> 01:22:51.020 we hit this AGI, we'll end up getting all of 1440 01:22:51.060 --> 01:22:54.460 these things. What's happening underneath all of that is again, 1441 01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:57.079 resources being stolen. You have the exact people who are 1442 01:22:57.100 --> 01:22:59.500 telling you that you're not going to need money, buying 1443 01:22:59.579 --> 01:23:03.970 up everything in sight. And you have the average human 1444 01:23:04.029 --> 01:23:08.560 being arguing over whether their machines are, are, going to 1445 01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:12.380 be able to have a conversation with him and understand 1446 01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:16.710 what is being said. You know, it's like, it's, it 1447 01:23:16.810 --> 01:23:22.250 involves so much that like, again, I'm not like a programmer, 1448 01:23:22.310 --> 01:23:24.829 but like, you need like an agentic memory for these 1449 01:23:24.850 --> 01:23:27.449 things to even remember what's going on in the first place. 1450 01:23:27.489 --> 01:23:30.289 And then more importantly, you need whatever the spark is 1451 01:23:30.329 --> 01:23:32.890 that allows us to have this free thought and consciousness. 1452 01:23:32.930 --> 01:23:38.899 And that goes back to like panspermia or like, mushrooms, 1453 01:23:38.939 --> 01:23:42.340 like how did consciousness happen? However you believed it happened, 1454 01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:45.859 whether it be God or that monkeys ate mushrooms or 1455 01:23:45.899 --> 01:23:48.920 that we just evolved to this point, that would essentially 1456 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.770 need to happen for these machines as well. And in 1457 01:23:51.850 --> 01:23:55.569 order for that to happen, are we the ones who 1458 01:23:55.590 --> 01:23:58.470 are going to create that, right? There needs to be 1459 01:23:58.510 --> 01:24:01.989 some form of creation outside of that boundary. It's the 1460 01:24:02.060 --> 01:24:05.100 same fishbowl analogy that I gave you before, but the 1461 01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:07.840 artificial intelligence is actually in a smaller fishbowl than we're 1462 01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:10.359 in because we're the ones who created it. So to 1463 01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:12.979 expect it to just magically surpass us on all human 1464 01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:15.279 intelligence is, again, I'm going to say it again, it's 1465 01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:21.750 fucking retarded. It's an insane, insane thing to think. It's 1466 01:24:21.829 --> 01:24:25.710 impossible to happen without some type of divine intervention. And 1467 01:24:25.750 --> 01:24:27.989 if that happens, then we're talking about a whole different 1468 01:24:28.029 --> 01:24:30.029 argument and a whole different bunch of topics that need 1469 01:24:30.050 --> 01:24:34.090 to be discussed Because who even cares that the machine 1470 01:24:34.210 --> 01:24:37.829 is sentient anymore? It's more about what made the machine sentient, right? 1471 01:24:39.510 --> 01:24:39.750 Right. 1472 01:24:39.850 --> 01:24:47.560 So if tomorrow, you know, it became there was undeniable proof. 1473 01:24:47.729 --> 01:24:53.039 If they walked out undeniable proof tomorrow that non-human intelligence, 1474 01:24:53.659 --> 01:24:56.100 you know, or let's I don't like to call them 1475 01:24:56.180 --> 01:24:59.520 aliens because I think there's a negative connotation just with 1476 01:24:59.539 --> 01:25:07.829 that word in general. But let's say beings landed or 1477 01:25:08.149 --> 01:25:11.840 they walked out evidence onto a congressional floor and said, 1478 01:25:12.819 --> 01:25:18.699 here it is. How would that change your worldview? 1479 01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:21.420 It would need to be open source to the point 1480 01:25:21.460 --> 01:25:24.050 where you can actually see the programming of the code. 1481 01:25:24.590 --> 01:25:26.270 And what I mean by that is not just the 1482 01:25:26.329 --> 01:25:28.710 code itself, but you need to understand the weighting of 1483 01:25:28.750 --> 01:25:32.850 the programming behind the code, meaning that like for example, 1484 01:25:32.930 --> 01:25:36.720 Elon Musk and X open source, their algorithm, right? And 1485 01:25:36.739 --> 01:25:38.960 they tell you what a like means and what a 1486 01:25:39.020 --> 01:25:41.560 repost means. And if you get flagged, how negative that 1487 01:25:41.619 --> 01:25:43.819 is for your account. But what they don't tell you 1488 01:25:43.899 --> 01:25:46.689 is how their artificial intelligence weighs that and how it 1489 01:25:46.770 --> 01:25:53.680 scores that because they use basically their AI to create a, uh, 1490 01:25:55.100 --> 01:25:58.189 like a system that has its own set of rules 1491 01:25:58.229 --> 01:26:01.130 that you don't know. You just know what happens after 1492 01:26:01.250 --> 01:26:03.930 you get a like or repost or flag, but you 1493 01:26:03.970 --> 01:26:06.989 don't know like the, the, the meaning behind all of 1494 01:26:07.010 --> 01:26:08.649 those things. Does that make any sense? And I mean, 1495 01:26:08.670 --> 01:26:11.439 in reference to obviously like in a repost come from 1496 01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:15.039 whoever's on the other side of whatever account is interacting 1497 01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:15.619 with your post. 1498 01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:19.340 Right. Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes sense. 1499 01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:23.119 Um, So that would need to be, that would need 1500 01:26:23.149 --> 01:26:25.810 to be had for the artificial intelligence or whatever it 1501 01:26:25.829 --> 01:26:28.170 was claiming sentience. There would need to be some form 1502 01:26:28.229 --> 01:26:31.970 of that, right? Right. Cause we're the ones who created it. 1503 01:26:32.010 --> 01:26:34.090 It's very different than a human being. We can't have 1504 01:26:34.149 --> 01:26:36.899 that for a human being because that comes from outside 1505 01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:39.859 of us. That comes from whatever created us that left

1506 01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:41.739 us no answers. And you have people that are trying 1507 01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:44.439 to sell you that and sell Kundalini and all of 1508 01:26:44.460 --> 01:26:47.689 this nonsense, right? Or new ageism. Again, I brought up 1509 01:26:48.430 --> 01:26:54.079 theosophy before. And the Aryans, the fruit races. So none 1510 01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:56.979 of this stuff is new ideas that I'm talking about, right? 1511 01:26:57.520 --> 01:26:59.510 But there's also no proof of any of it through 1512 01:26:59.550 --> 01:27:02.189 the 6,000 recorded years of human history dating back to 1513 01:27:02.210 --> 01:27:04.770 Gilgamesh and the Sumerians. 1514 01:27:07.409 --> 01:27:12.729 Unless the writings are real, right? 1515 01:27:13.369 --> 01:27:16.060 Yeah, but even then they were written by man. Yeah. 1516 01:27:17.170 --> 01:27:20.109 it's again, you would need some type of divine intervention. 1517 01:27:20.149 --> 01:27:22.449 And even after that divine intervention, you have to take 1518 01:27:23.229 --> 01:27:27.170 whatever that being saying is face value or whatever it is. 1519 01:27:27.210 --> 01:27:32.340 And that's not like, it's this never ending skepticism in 1520 01:27:32.380 --> 01:27:35.859 a weird way of like, there's always going to be 1521 01:27:35.939 --> 01:27:40.479 someone who has created some form of meaning to something 1522 01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:42.779 that is outside of yourself. So it's up to you, 1523 01:27:42.819 --> 01:27:45.300 whether you want to give that any weight or not 1524 01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:47.760 in terms of your actual life. but none of this 1525 01:27:47.779 --> 01:27:52.539 stuff comes from, uh, there you go. Sorry. Phone was ringing, 1526 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:55.680 but none of this stuff comes from divine sources that 1527 01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:58.399 we can prove. It may, maybe some of the books 1528 01:27:58.439 --> 01:27:58.729 are right. 1529 01:27:58.770 --> 01:27:58.930 Right. 1530 01:27:58.939 --> 01:28:00.949 Like I'm not, again, I'm not here to disprove any 1531 01:28:00.970 --> 01:28:03.569 of this stuff in the sense of like, no, you're wrong. 1532 01:28:03.670 --> 01:28:05.810 I know better. Like I'm a fucking idiot. I've said 1533 01:28:05.850 --> 01:28:08.289 that a hundred times during this interview. Like I'm a moron, 1534 01:28:08.590 --> 01:28:11.090 but I also fully aware of the fact that like 1535 01:28:12.529 --> 01:28:14.810 no one else has any proof of anything outside of 1536 01:28:14.850 --> 01:28:15.640 what they're saying too. 1537 01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:21.739 But I guess what people will want, they'll demand of 1538 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:25.539 me to ask is, do you have proof that there isn't, 1539 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:26.649 it isn't happening? 1540 01:28:27.189 --> 01:28:27.409 No. 1541 01:28:27.569 --> 01:28:29.609 And that's where I think, again, we are left with 1542 01:28:29.630 --> 01:28:32.829 these never ending questions that I'm talking about and people 1543 01:28:32.869 --> 01:28:35.439 selling you meanings to things. So it really comes down 1544 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:37.539 to like, why is this being sold to you? 1545 01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:44.359 They see a vacuum. They see the vacuum and they're 1546 01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:50.859 taking advantage of that vacuum to enrich themselves. 1547 01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:51.520 Yeah. 1548 01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:54.600 Or to watch out. If nobody knows anything, you can 1549 01:28:54.699 --> 01:28:59.520 either Liberate yourself with that and create a world where 1550 01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:02.199 the meanings that you choose to give things are the 1551 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:04.579 things that matter, or you can allow other people to 1552 01:29:04.619 --> 01:29:07.119 shape narratives for you. And I'm simply here just trying 1553 01:29:07.159 --> 01:29:09.579 to ask people to choose the first one, because we 1554 01:29:09.619 --> 01:29:12.399 live in a world where the second one is clearly 1555 01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:15.140 the way of life for a majority of people. And unfortunately, 1556 01:29:15.180 --> 01:29:17.619 we all do share a reality. And it would make 1557 01:29:17.699 --> 01:29:20.189 my reality and my daughter's reality a little bit better 1558 01:29:20.229 --> 01:29:23.670 if we all started critically thinking and working together and 1559 01:29:23.729 --> 01:29:28.159 viewing each other as passengers on this ride of life, 1560 01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:30.819 as opposed to customers that we're trying to one up 1561 01:29:30.859 --> 01:29:33.460 all the time and sell something to. And most of 1562 01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:35.840 us really view the average person that way. I'm not 1563 01:29:35.859 --> 01:29:36.680 saying you, I'm just saying. 1564 01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:39.800 No, no, no, I agree. I 100% agree. 1565 01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:42.359 So again, I think most of the people who are 1566 01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:45.239 selling narratives are really doing it in a way of like, 1567 01:29:45.270 --> 01:29:47.810 they're either trying to protect their stack and their way 1568 01:29:47.829 --> 01:29:49.489 of life. And the fact that most of us don't 1569 01:29:49.510 --> 01:29:51.989 want to work an actual nine to five and bust 1570 01:29:52.029 --> 01:29:53.970 our backs and our asses. And if we can talk 1571 01:29:54.010 --> 01:29:56.939 for a living, especially about a never ending business that 1572 01:29:56.979 --> 01:29:58.819 we don't have to prove anything. We could just talk 1573 01:29:58.859 --> 01:30:01.069 out of our ass forever and it puts money in 1574 01:30:01.130 --> 01:30:03.449 our account. Like, wouldn't you want to do that? Like, 1575 01:30:03.529 --> 01:30:05.770 I get it. I get it from a lot of angles. 1576 01:30:06.449 --> 01:30:09.590 So do you think that they need to be more 1577 01:30:09.649 --> 01:30:13.319 transparent about what they're, they are, if they are going 1578 01:30:13.380

--> 01:30:17.449 to make the money off of it, that, because again, I, 1579 01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:21.600 I do agree with you to, to a degree, to 1580 01:30:21.619 --> 01:30:25.680 the degree that I want, we have paradise. People talk about, um, 1581 01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:32.329 you know, living in a way, living certain ways so 1582 01:30:32.350 --> 01:30:35.229 that they can get into heaven and, and, you know, go, 1583 01:30:35.270 --> 01:30:37.869 go on to paradise. And it's like, yeah, but that's 1584 01:30:37.909 --> 01:30:41.010 not promised. You know, what is the earth around us? 1585 01:30:41.409 --> 01:30:45.420 Cause I've seen it. I've driven through the country, been 1586 01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:50.140 to places. I've seen the beauty from coast to coast. Right. Um, 1587 01:30:50.899 --> 01:30:55.460 and I, More of us need to remember why we 1588 01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:58.520 fight for the things that we fight for. We need 1589 01:30:58.579 --> 01:31:04.939 to live in the present rather than hindering the now 1590 01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:10.939 for a not promised eternal life. And it really disappoints 1591 01:31:11.010 --> 01:31:18.229 me when I see people really living these menial lives, 1592 01:31:18.430 --> 01:31:23.869 these trivial lives where they do just sit on 24 1593 01:31:24.550 --> 01:31:28.789 hours a day, even talking about UFOs. There are people 1594 01:31:28.829 --> 01:31:33.020 that literally sit online all day talking about UFOs. And 1595 01:31:33.060 --> 01:31:38.359 it's like, at that point, what does it matter? You're 1596 01:31:38.619 --> 01:31:41.359 not going out and contributing anything. 1597 01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:44.399 That's what you just said is the exact point that 1598 01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:47.659 I wanted to... really hit home here. You brought the 1599 01:31:47.689 --> 01:31:51.569 word remember. I wrote an article a few months ago, 1600 01:31:51.609 --> 01:31:55.550 I think it is now, about The Lion King and 1601 01:31:55.609 --> 01:31:58.689 about like the Jungian message of The Lion King. And 1602 01:31:58.710 --> 01:32:03.670 it was very similar to Jordan Peterson's. He did a 1603 01:32:03.890 --> 01:32:06.800 full like, I don't know what you want to call it, 1604 01:32:06.819 --> 01:32:10.779 speech or whatever it is about the movie. And essentially 1605 01:32:10.859 --> 01:32:12.859 what I was trying to say, and I kind of 1606 01:32:13.020 --> 01:32:15.039 went a little further than Peterson did, is that like 1607 01:32:15.060 --> 01:32:17.539 this movie kind of explains like we need to remember 1608 01:32:17.579 --> 01:32:21.180 what we are because we are basically Simba. We are 1609 01:32:21.420 --> 01:32:24.680 a traumatized child who ran into the woods and is 1610 01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:27.340 singing Hakuna Matata and eating grubs and not giving a 1611 01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:31.380 shit about life in the real world while our entire 1612 01:32:31.460 --> 01:32:35.510 kingdom is crumbling to the ground. And we need to 1613 01:32:35.550 --> 01:32:38.390 go back and face our demon in the same way 1614 01:32:38.430 --> 01:32:40.829 that Rafiki hit Simba on the head with the stick. 1615 01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:43.970 And tell them to remember, that's what we need to do. 1616 01:32:43.989 --> 01:32:46.109 We need to look in the water, remember who we are. 1617 01:32:46.130 --> 01:32:49.970 Remember that this world, the one that we live in, 1618 01:32:50.149 --> 01:32:52.949 is the world. There is no matrix to escape to 1619 01:32:53.010 --> 01:32:54.989 because none of us understand what death is. We don't 1620 01:32:55.029 --> 01:32:58.399 understand how we were created, who created us, why we 1621 01:32:58.449 --> 01:33:00.939 were created. All we have is what's here. And if 1622 01:33:00.979 --> 01:33:03.180 we're constantly focused on all of the things that are 1623 01:33:03.279 --> 01:33:06.100 outside of that, instead of the potholes in the ground 1624 01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:07.720 in front of us and the mess in front of 1625 01:33:07.779 --> 01:33:09.939 our house, and if we don't clean our fucking rooms... 1626 01:33:10.069 --> 01:33:12.010 This is the world that we're going to live in. 1627 01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:13.979 This is what it's going to look like. So again, 1628 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:16.880 I'm here to get people to critically think. I think 1629 01:33:16.939 --> 01:33:18.920 it's time we remember who we are. I think we 1630 01:33:18.939 --> 01:33:21.500 look in the water, we wake up, and we go 1631 01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:24.520 back and we take that fucking rock from Scar. It's 1632 01:33:24.579 --> 01:33:26.539 that simple. Because all Scar is, and this is what 1633 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:29.770 I talked about in the article, is the subconscious. And 1634 01:33:29.810 --> 01:33:33.390 I think that human beings, our consciousness, we have a 1635 01:33:33.529 --> 01:33:37.079 consciousness and a subconscious. Again, everyone knows that. But I 1636 01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:40.680 think our subconscious is what shapes our world. Because if 1637 01:33:41.239 --> 01:33:46.210 our conscious is constantly focused on escaping whatever we think 1638 01:33:46.250 --> 01:33:49.090 this is, instead of realizing the beauty in it, right? 1639 01:33:49.149 --> 01:33:50.750 Like nature is really raw. 1640 01:33:50.810 --> 01:33:53.189 It's gorgeous. Oh, dude, that's what I said. 1641 01:33:53.569 --> 01:33:55.609 It's also brutal, right? 1642 01:33:55.689 --> 01:33:57.590 You ever watch a lion. 1643 01:33:57.229 --> 01:33:59.609 Rip apart like a seagull or something? Like it can 1644 01:33:59.649 --> 01:34:03.369 be fucking nasty. But you have to focus on the 1645 01:34:03.449 --> 01:34:05.800 things that make it beautiful. And at the same time, 1646 01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:08.420 like not shy away from the things that make it 1647 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:12.000 brutal too. You have to understand that. And it has 1648 01:34:12.039 -->

01:34:15.000 to be the circle of life. You have to essentially 1649 01:34:15.619 --> 01:34:19.380 have both things. And I think when we start doing that, 1650 01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:23.659 we get past a lot of this disclosure nonsense where 1651 01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:27.340 we're waiting for some external force to come save us 1652 01:34:27.859 --> 01:34:33.109 from the fact that things right out in front of 1653 01:34:33.170 --> 01:34:37.430 our face are there and we're doing this because we're 1654 01:34:38.430 --> 01:34:41.350 scared of what's actually there. And we're hoping someone's going 1655 01:34:41.369 --> 01:34:43.310 to come remove our hands from our eyes and make 1656 01:34:43.350 --> 01:34:44.630 things better like a child. 1657 01:34:45.670 --> 01:34:50.470 That's, um, that's one of, I think one of the 1658 01:34:50.529 --> 01:34:56.149 best analogies, I mean, the, the, the lion King, uh, I, 1659 01:34:56.270 --> 01:34:59.340 and you know, what kills me is now on YouTube, 1660 01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:03.699 even if you like hum a song, you'll get flagged. 1661 01:35:04.260 --> 01:35:08.439 And I, I almost went to sing the, uh, no 1662 01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:11.800 worries song from Lion King. And I was like, ah, 1663 01:35:12.180 --> 01:35:14.829 and I was like, I had mute myself to do it, uh, 1664 01:35:14.869 --> 01:35:20.050 which is terrible, but copyright, you know? Uh, but, and 1665 01:35:20.090 --> 01:35:23.930 that's what it is. That's what like, it's become our words, our, our, 1666 01:35:24.430 --> 01:35:28.239 our lives have become data that's being just sold and 1667 01:35:28.300 --> 01:35:31.949 resold and, repackaged and resold again. 1668 01:35:32.020 --> 01:35:35.229 And after a while, words become meaningless and actions are 1669 01:35:35.300 --> 01:35:39.319 really what people should be putting stock in. And I 1670 01:35:39.340 --> 01:35:41.859 think we spend so much time putting stock in other 1671 01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:44.399 people's words and we don't look past why they're saying 1672 01:35:44.420 --> 01:35:45.000 what they're saying. 1673 01:35:46.100 --> 01:35:53.899 But do you understand why... And this is something I 1674 01:35:53.979 --> 01:35:55.819 often struggle with in my head. 1675 01:35:57.500 --> 01:35:57.560 If. 1676 01:35:58.270 --> 01:36:02.829 because you talk about the brutality of nature. The only 1677 01:36:02.970 --> 01:36:11.710 way that I see us changing the system is by 1678 01:36:11.789 --> 01:36:15.609 tearing it down. And the only way that happens is 1679 01:36:15.670 --> 01:36:19.229 with a little brutality. And, you know, that scares me 1680 01:36:19.260 --> 01:36:24.640 because that, you know, we want to call ourselves civilized 1681 01:36:24.699 --> 01:36:29.310 and above that, but then you see what it actually 1682 01:36:29.369 --> 01:36:32.949 looks like. And it is a little terrifying. 1683 01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:36.520 It can be. You're talking to someone who views Muay 1684 01:36:36.539 --> 01:36:38.319 Thai as one of the most beautiful things in the world. 1685 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:40.659 I've been kneed and elbowed in the face. My nose 1686 01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:42.800 has been broken multiple times. And I view that as 1687 01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:49.189 a beautiful experience. So I don't view violence in the 1688 01:36:49.250 --> 01:36:51.869 sake of when it's needed to be a bad thing. 1689 01:36:51.909 --> 01:36:54.569 But I also don't necessarily agree that brutality is the 1690 01:36:54.609 --> 01:36:57.439 only way that we get there. I think it starts 1691 01:36:57.560 --> 01:37:02.359 with a full separation mentality of, do you know anything 1692 01:37:02.420 --> 01:37:06.930 about the mind war doctrine or about Michael Aquino and 1693 01:37:07.069 --> 01:37:10.229 General Paul Vallee, by any chance, outside of like Aquino 1694 01:37:10.250 --> 01:37:11.050 and Satan and stuff? 1695 01:37:12.010 --> 01:37:17.949 The names sound familiar. I'm grasping with nothing on the ideas. 1696 01:37:18.390 --> 01:37:23.539 Okay, so the military doctrine, mind war. outline three things 1697 01:37:23.659 --> 01:37:26.119 that are really important. I always break the doctrine down 1698 01:37:26.220 --> 01:37:30.520 to these three things. It's one that your own population 1699 01:37:31.060 --> 01:37:34.479 is the enemy, the same way that other populations are 1700 01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:37.699 the enemy because you need people to either agree with 1701 01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:41.159 what you're doing or they're against you. It's just that simple. 1702 01:37:41.899 --> 01:37:44.699 And you need to be loud enough, long enough with 1703 01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:50.029 your argument. And I always forget this third thing. And again, 1704 01:37:50.060 --> 01:37:52.739 I apologize. This is exactly why I created the engine. 1705 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:54.579 I'm going to do it on your show. I'm going 1706 01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.180 to type in mind war. My brain just went blank 1707 01:37:57.199 --> 01:38:01.779 because it's been a long day with my daughter. And 1708 01:38:02.100 --> 01:38:05.069 here you go. I'm an idiot. The third and most 1709 01:38:05.109 --> 01:38:06.810 important one, which really I should have put first, is 1710 01:38:06.850 --> 01:38:09.810 that war is obsolete because you're spending resources on things 1711 01:38:09.829 --> 01:38:11.890 that don't need to go through. So why are we 1712 01:38:11.949 --> 01:38:15.220 fighting wars? Why are we spending money on things that 1713 01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:17.579 we might be able to win by using now the 1714 01:38:17.859 --> 01:38:20.340 internet and social media and all these different tools that 1715 01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:23.010 didn't exist in the 80s when this doctrine was created. 1716 01:38:23.569 --> 01:38:25.390 So if you look at those three things and you 1717 01:38:25.430 --> 01:38:28.909 look at algorithms and social media and how those three 1718

01:38:28.949 --> 01:38:32.880 things can essentially create and shape the human narrative that's 1719 01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:37.659 being pushed forward on these algorithms that is really a class, 1720 01:38:37.859 --> 01:38:45.600 excuse me, like a culture-based and argument-pushed algorithm as opposed 1721 01:38:45.649 --> 01:38:48.069 to looking at class structure and all these different things. 1722 01:38:48.869 --> 01:38:52.470 And you can kind of see exactly how we ended 1723 01:38:52.529 --> 01:38:53.729 up in the situation that we're in. 1724 01:38:53.750 --> 01:38:57.890 That's a good. 1725 01:39:00.130 --> 01:39:00.329 Yeah. 1726 01:39:00.869 --> 01:39:03.949 I apologize for having to go to the engine there. It's, again, like, 1727 01:39:04.550 --> 01:39:07.850 that's why I created this thing. It's so deep. It's so, 1728 01:39:08.060 --> 01:39:10.880 so deep with information. I'm constantly trying to fill it 1729 01:39:11.420 --> 01:39:14.039 whenever I can. And everything that, like, I just quoted 1730 01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:16.039 the mind war doctrine from the engine, but if I 1731 01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:19.029 wanted to, I could have clicked the primary source button 1732 01:39:19.170 --> 01:39:22.050 and went exactly to the mind word doctrine itself. And 1733 01:39:22.090 --> 01:39:23.760 that's the beauty of the engine is that I tried 1734 01:39:23.770 --> 01:39:26.760 to create this in a way that like people can 1735 01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:28.760 see that it's not just what I put there on 1736 01:39:29.260 --> 01:39:32.020 the website. You can go and see these primary source 1737 01:39:32.060 --> 01:39:35.619 documents where they are. I try to connect as many 1738 01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:37.880 pieces as I can. I'm sure I missed a few things, 1739 01:39:37.960 --> 01:39:41.329 but like, Again, we've been talking for a while now. 1740 01:39:41.369 --> 01:39:44.090 Everything's tied. Everything that we've talked about today is tied. 1741 01:39:44.149 --> 01:39:46.029 Even if I've done a bad job of tying it 1742 01:39:46.060 --> 01:39:48.399 together myself, I assure you, if you go dig into 1743 01:39:48.409 --> 01:39:50.140 the things that I'm saying, which I hope and I 1744 01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:52.840 pray to God your audience does, especially if they think 1745 01:39:52.859 --> 01:39:56.479 that I'm full of shit, please go ahead. Again, I 1746 01:39:56.500 --> 01:39:58.260 said in the beginning, I'll say it again. Go dox me. 1747 01:39:58.539 --> 01:39:59.399 Go have some fun. 1748 01:39:59.539 --> 01:40:01.640 Don't dox. 1749 01:40:01.779 --> 01:40:04.600 Please don't release the information publicly, but go dox me 1750 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:07.380 and figure out exactly what motivations I would have for 1751 01:40:07.399 --> 01:40:08.399 saying and doing it. 1752 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:10.140 To put it public, so. 1753 01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:13.460 Okay, so non-public doxing. Whatever you want to call that. 1754 01:40:13.500

--> 01:40:17.479 No, because once you use the dox, it's like... So. 1755 01:40:18.539 --> 01:40:20.560 Don't send fucking SWAT games to my house, please. I'm 1756 01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:22.340 just trying to prove the point of, like, if you start. 1757 01:40:22.380 --> 01:40:23.180 Verify him. 1758 01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:27.880 Yeah, yeah, don't do that. Verify him. There's a lot of, like, 1759 01:40:29.100 --> 01:40:32.039 negative here for me as opposed to the positive, other than, like, 1760 01:40:32.100 --> 01:40:34.600 if this works, if I'm right in... Because I believe 1761 01:40:34.619 --> 01:40:37.579 this is a way of trying to use Gallum Theory against... 1762 01:40:38.020 --> 01:40:40.729 the same military industrial complexes that are using it back 1763 01:40:40.770 --> 01:40:42.010 at us. And I see the question, is this a 1764 01:40:42.029 --> 01:40:45.470 prison planet? No. And how would anyone know? How would 1765 01:40:45.590 --> 01:40:48.170 anybody know that this is a prison planet? This is 1766 01:40:48.210 --> 01:40:50.670 the real world. The world that we live in, you 1767 01:40:50.689 --> 01:40:52.510 can either believe that it's a prison planet and that 1768 01:40:52.529 --> 01:40:54.109 this is a horrible place to be and you need 1769 01:40:54.130 --> 01:40:57.180 to escape and all the David Icke nonsense, or you 1770 01:40:57.199 --> 01:40:59.819 can try to make things better here and start focusing 1771 01:40:59.880 --> 01:41:01.319 on what's in front of you and try to fix 1772 01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:03.960 the world around us. And when we actually do that, 1773 01:41:03.979 --> 01:41:04.420 it gets better. 1774 01:41:05.270 --> 01:41:08.859 That's what, that's what, uh, bothers me is, is like, 1775 01:41:09.500 --> 01:41:13.460 you know, with a simple analogy here of like, uh, 1776 01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:16.340 I've been with people and like, they throw something on the, 1777 01:41:16.460 --> 01:41:18.619 like trash on the ground. And I'm like, dude, pick 1778 01:41:18.659 --> 01:41:18.890 it up. 1779 01:41:18.899 --> 01:41:19.739 I know. 1780 01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:24.590 Ooh, what's one person gonna, what's one person gonna change? 1781 01:41:24.890 --> 01:41:28.630 And it's like, well, if everyone thinks like you, it's 1782 01:41:28.689 --> 01:41:32.109 going to change for the worse. And you're gonna, you know, um, 1783 01:41:34.310 --> 01:41:40.189 your children will inherit a trash pile or you could 1784 01:41:40.270 --> 01:41:42.430 pick it up and do the right thing. Like, you know, 1785 01:41:42.449 --> 01:41:44.949 it's a simple analogy. I know that, you know, there's 1786 01:41:44.989 --> 01:41:47.270 flaws in recycling and, you know, we don't have to 1787 01:41:47.310 --> 01:41:50.579 go down that rabbit hole, but the analogy being one 1788 01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:56.439 person can change the world. Like it starts with one, right? 1789 01:41:56.760 --> 01:42:00.000 It starts with one and grows. 1790 01:42:00.020

--> 01:42:03.159 I agree. And you just came from Austin, which is, 1791 01:42:03.630 --> 01:42:05.850 I think that's the exact opposite of the mindset of 1792 01:42:05.890 --> 01:42:08.010 a lot of the tech bros that are down there. It's, 1793 01:42:08.470 --> 01:42:10.479 they are the people that are throwing the garbage on 1794 01:42:10.489 --> 01:42:12.779 the ground. They view the world the same way that 1795 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:15.720 a meth head views a motel room during a bender. 1796 01:42:16.199 --> 01:42:18.119 And then they want to go off and colonize space. 1797 01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:20.520 It's like, no, like maybe we don't trash the fucking 1798 01:42:20.539 --> 01:42:23.399 motel room and we, we, maybe we clean it up 1799 01:42:23.460 --> 01:42:25.439 and we treat, treat the place that we live in 1800 01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:27.319 right now with some respect before we go try to 1801 01:42:27.359 --> 01:42:28.319 colonize anywhere else. 1802 01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:34.279 And that's, that's, that's deep, man. Um, do you think 1803 01:42:34.340 --> 01:42:38.279 we've been, do you, cause now I want to, I 1804 01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:39.760 want to know a couple of things about you before 1805 01:42:39.779 --> 01:42:42.420 we wrap up. We can do this again in part two. 1806 01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:49.390 There's still so much to cover. Did we go to, 1807 01:42:49.590 --> 01:42:50.350 did we go to the moon? 1808 01:42:51.229 --> 01:42:56.149 I don't know. Again, my personal, I don't, my personal 1809 01:42:56.189 --> 01:42:59.850 belief is like, it shouldn't matter to anyone cause I'm 1810 01:42:59.899 --> 01:43:02.220 an idiot. But like from the stuff that I've researched, 1811 01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:05.390 I don't know that I believe. I am not sure 1812 01:43:05.430 --> 01:43:05.869 that I do. 1813 01:43:06.689 --> 01:43:10.210 You talked about physical evidence, though, earlier. There's definitely physical 1814 01:43:10.289 --> 01:43:13.069 evidence that says that we went to the moon. 1815 01:43:13.619 --> 01:43:15.840 Yeah, there's also physical evidence that shows that it could 1816 01:43:15.859 --> 01:43:18.939 have been fake. It goes either way. It really, like, 1817 01:43:19.439 --> 01:43:22.300 my opinion is I don't know enough about the science 1818 01:43:22.380 --> 01:43:26.460 behind what actually took place and transpired to give an 1819 01:43:26.539 --> 01:43:30.329 educated opinion. So, like, I could either believe NASA and 1820 01:43:30.350 --> 01:43:32.170 the experts there, or I could believe that there's some 1821 01:43:32.229 --> 01:43:35.770 shady shit behind it. So, like, just that portion of 1822 01:43:35.829 --> 01:43:39.329 me leans towards, like, I don't really trust our government 1823 01:43:39.409 --> 01:43:42.090 for anything. But at the same time, like, I don't 1824 01:43:42.270 --> 01:43:44.260 fucking know. You know what I mean? Like, that's one 1825 01:43:44.270 --> 01:43:47.220 of the ones, like, that,

Flat Earth, like, a bunch 1826 01:43:47.260 --> 01:43:50.000 of the ones that are, like, these open-ended questions that, like, 1827 01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:53.640 there's nothing but paper trails of money behind them other 1828 01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:54.880 than that. Like, there's no. 1829 01:43:54.899 --> 01:43:57.159 Well, Flat Earth is bullshit. 1830 01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:00.479 Yeah. So, like, again, like, I don't think I should 1831 01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:04.520 be anybody that, like, people are looking to for answers either. 1832 01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:07.100 I get like why you're asking me the question too, 1833 01:44:07.140 --> 01:44:09.710 but I even feel like weird answering it because again, 1834 01:44:09.789 --> 01:44:12.329 I'm an idiot. I just am a man who piled 1835 01:44:12.409 --> 01:44:14.890 a bunch of research together and has a ton of 1836 01:44:14.909 --> 01:44:17.449 questions that I think need answering that aren't being asked 1837 01:44:17.470 --> 01:44:18.130 by anybody else. 1838 01:44:19.500 --> 01:44:25.119 Fair enough. Like you said, especially when we have real issues, like, 1839 01:44:25.539 --> 01:44:33.930 you know, there's, there's riots, riots and protests, you know, 1840 01:44:33.939 --> 01:44:41.289 for certain things. And then Epstein happens and no one 1841 01:44:41.310 --> 01:44:44.050 gets out. No one, no one does a thing. No 1842 01:44:44.130 --> 01:44:47.970 one does a thing when we find out that our children, 1843 01:44:49.550 --> 01:44:59.909 our children, our sisters, our mothers, like not a single 1844 01:45:00.930 --> 01:45:08.029 not a single rally not a single protest nothing what 1845 01:45:08.069 --> 01:45:11.770 the fuck is wrong with us like i hate to 1846 01:45:11.840 --> 01:45:16.779 say it but the fucking the conspiracy was right on 1847 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:20.739 this one pedophiles do run the world and. 1848 01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:24.149 Yeah i think that's how they blackmail people That's how 1849 01:45:24.189 --> 01:45:26.529 they create the system that they have, though. It's a 1850 01:45:26.710 --> 01:45:29.569 system that's created on blackmail. If you look at Epstein himself, 1851 01:45:30.149 --> 01:45:33.590 the actual man, Epstein, doesn't matter. What matters is what 1852 01:45:33.630 --> 01:45:34.970 he was doing. The network. 1853 01:45:35.229 --> 01:45:36.529 Yeah, of course. 1854 01:45:36.609 --> 01:45:39.069 I think we get so lost on who was fucking 1855 01:45:39.100 --> 01:45:42.859 kids on that island and what celebrities were involved. And 1856 01:45:42.899 --> 01:45:45.720 we forget the fact that there were biophysicists and all 1857 01:45:45.739 --> 01:45:48.819 of these different scientists that were on this island. There 1858 01:45:48.840 --> 01:45:51.220 was a man who was obsessed with eugenics itself, who 1859 01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:56.060 wanted to seed the world with his sperm, his seed. 1860 01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:58.779 There are a lot of things in terms

of Epstein 1861 01:45:58.819 --> 01:46:03.380 that go well beyond the actual man and start diving into, again, 1862 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:07.079 this hundred-year pipeline of eugenics that I'm talking about. Just 1863 01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:09.520 look at some of the names that are tied to Epstein. 1864 01:46:09.539 --> 01:46:13.479 You have the Bars, whether it be Bill Barr, the AG, 1865 01:46:13.699 --> 01:46:18.670 who was involved with the prosecution's case. Yeah, and then 1866 01:46:18.810 --> 01:46:22.159 Barr's father, who was the one who gave Epstein a 1867 01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:24.819 job at Dalton and they went to summer camp together. 1868 01:46:24.880 --> 01:46:27.079 So there's a lot of weird things there. There's weird 1869 01:46:27.140 --> 01:46:31.359 things just, again, there's little ties into the government everywhere, 1870 01:46:31.399 --> 01:46:34.609 whether it be like Trump and Roy Cohn and Bannon and, and, 1871 01:46:35.250 --> 01:46:39.310 and Roger Stone and that Epstein connection or Ute Barak 1872 01:46:39.850 --> 01:46:42.989 and Netanyahu and that connection to Epstein or Field and 1873 01:46:43.010 --> 01:46:46.819 Mosk and Gates and Reid Hoffman and that connection to Epstein, 1874 01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:51.710 like name one person who's, involved in the infrastructure, the 1875 01:46:51.770 --> 01:46:55.789 American economy, or excuse me, the American government, whether it 1876 01:46:55.829 --> 01:47:00.010 be the economy or whether it be now the department 1877 01:47:00.029 --> 01:47:02.470 of war name, name one person that's not at the 1878 01:47:02.529 --> 01:47:06.609 top of those structures that doesn't tied or to either 1879 01:47:06.729 --> 01:47:10.720 Epstein or the, the infrastructure that made Epstein. 1880 01:47:11.460 --> 01:47:16.319 No, that it's, it's, it's all tied back. It's all like, 1881 01:47:16.340 --> 01:47:20.619 it is, Like, you know, really good example of this 1882 01:47:20.729 --> 01:47:27.350 is look at a guy like Dan Bongino. Who. You know, online, 1883 01:47:27.630 --> 01:47:31.729 like the guy, the guy was a podcaster and then became, 1884 01:47:32.909 --> 01:47:40.560 you know, essentially. Got into the inside and then became 1885 01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:44.729 a shill for the very deep state and and and 1886 01:47:44.810 --> 01:47:47.409 stuff that he he was screaming about prior. 1887 01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:50.989 It's like Anna Paul Luna with the UFO stuff. And 1888 01:47:51.029 --> 01:47:54.890 it's funny, if you look past that, if you look 1889 01:47:54.949 --> 01:47:58.649 past like the Bonginos and the Kash Patels, and you 1890 01:47:58.670 --> 01:48:02.039 look a little higher, right? And you start looking at 1891 01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:06.239 what's above them, you start seeing money. And you start seeing, again, 1892 01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:11.449 like the floors of of the infrastructure, the business of 1893 01:48:11.510 --> 01:48:13.729 how all of this stuff works. And it all ties 1894 01:48:13.810 --> 01:48:17.489 back to the same companies and corporations that were created by, again, 1895 01:48:17.529 --> 01:48:22.159 the military industrial complex. So Bongino, Kash Patel, who was 1896 01:48:22.220 --> 01:48:25.500 advertising on their shows when they had their shows, who 1897 01:48:25.539 --> 01:48:28.619 was funneling them money. And that's always why I say, 1898 01:48:28.659 --> 01:48:30.979 go follow the money. The documentary that I did, Stop 1899 01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:33.779 Feeding the Grifters, I actually brought up Dan Bongino. And 1900 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:36.310 I pointed out the fact that one of the advertisers 1901 01:48:36.350 --> 01:48:38.949 that he has on his show also advertises on left shows. 1902 01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:42.899 like the Bulwark and Sam Seder. And one of the 1903 01:48:42.939 --> 01:48:46.680 reasons why these advertisers do that is because they're simply 1904 01:48:46.739 --> 01:48:50.479 just buying your anger. They're buying your attention. They don't 1905 01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:52.619 give a shit about who wins the arguments because these 1906 01:48:52.699 --> 01:48:56.029 arguments are kayfabe. The person who books the wrestling match 1907 01:48:56.069 --> 01:48:58.090 doesn't give a shit who wins the wrestling match. They 1908 01:48:58.109 --> 01:49:00.630 care about you buying the merch. And only when you 1909 01:49:00.670 --> 01:49:03.489 start buying more merch for John Cena, then you do 1910 01:49:03.550 --> 01:49:06.250 Rey Mysterio. Does John Cena win the title from Rey Mysterio? 1911 01:49:06.869 --> 01:49:10.010 Yep. It's all pulleys and levers. 1912 01:49:10.050 --> 01:49:10.250 Yeah. 1913 01:49:10.609 --> 01:49:14.409 And just to, again, I kind of want to just 1914 01:49:14.449 --> 01:49:17.390 touch on real quick. I brought up Paul Vallée and 1915 01:49:17.470 --> 01:49:19.569 Michael Kino before in that Mine War Doctrine. They were 1916 01:49:19.590 --> 01:49:22.609 the ones who wrote it. Paul Vallée was a talking 1917 01:49:22.670 --> 01:49:25.810 head at Fox News when he retired from the military 1918 01:49:26.189 --> 01:49:29.189 and then went on to be one of the contributors 1919 01:49:29.250 --> 01:49:32.729 to how Turning Point USA was formed and built into 1920 01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:34.939 the powerhouse that it is. And if I'm correct, he's 1921 01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:38.329 still involved with Turning Point USA. He was heavily involved 1922 01:49:38.390 --> 01:49:43.050 in Q and himself was in Anon along with Michael 1923 01:49:43.109 --> 01:49:45.050 Flynn and all of these other guys were tied into 1924 01:49:45.069 --> 01:49:48.630 the military. It's the same exact thing that I'm talking about. 1925 01:49:48.649 --> 01:49:51.899 They're buying your anger, they're buying your distrust, and they're 1926 01:49:52.039 --> 01:49:54.239 using it against you. And most of the time it's 1927 01:49:54.340 --> 01:49:55.720 pro wrestling. It's

kayfabe. 1928 01:49:56.340 --> 01:50:01.739 But what happens when it's not and someone like Charlie 1929 01:50:01.800 --> 01:50:04.050 Kirk gets publicly executed? 1930 01:50:04.930 --> 01:50:07.010 So let's look at the Kirk executions. 1931 01:50:07.319 --> 01:50:07.539 Right. 1932 01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:10.060 And I'm not here to say whether he was killed 1933 01:50:10.100 --> 01:50:14.039 or not. I don't know. And whether like to me, 1934 01:50:14.060 --> 01:50:16.239 it looks like he was killed. Candace Owens will tell 1935 01:50:16.279 --> 01:50:18.010 you that he wasn't. There are people that will tell 1936 01:50:18.020 --> 01:50:19.369 you that he was in on it and that it 1937 01:50:19.409 --> 01:50:21.050 was a thing that went off in his neck and 1938 01:50:21.069 --> 01:50:21.489 he didn't. 1939 01:50:21.949 --> 01:50:22.850 Say he wasn't. 1940 01:50:23.289 --> 01:50:25.930 Oh, there's a ton of nonsense about the Kirk thing. 1941 01:50:25.970 --> 01:50:32.029 Candace is is is pushing that that he wasn't. killed, 1942 01:50:32.109 --> 01:50:34.569 I believe, by Tyler Robinson, that he was killed by 1943 01:50:34.649 --> 01:50:38.569 Israel or French Freemasons or something like that. And I've 1944 01:50:38.590 --> 01:50:41.340 seen other conspiracies to where it was a patch on 1945 01:50:41.380 --> 01:50:43.439 his neck that was fake blood, like in the movies 1946 01:50:43.479 --> 01:50:44.899 where he didn't really die. I don't know if that 1947 01:50:44.979 --> 01:50:48.520 one's Candace. They're all nonsense. So again, it's you're arguing 1948 01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:51.539 about the event itself. And regardless of whether Charlie died 1949 01:50:51.579 --> 01:50:54.880 or not, what happened afterwards is the exact same thing 1950 01:50:54.899 --> 01:50:57.819 that you're seeing, which Erica Kirk was appointed to an 1951 01:50:57.859 --> 01:51:00.779 Air Force board shortly after. You see Turning Point raising 1952 01:51:00.819 --> 01:51:03.869 money off of it and basically blowing up to where 1953 01:51:03.909 --> 01:51:08.029 they've created this fake fighting on the right between Candace 1954 01:51:08.069 --> 01:51:10.470 and Erica Kirk, even though they're essentially, and even if 1955 01:51:10.529 --> 01:51:12.399 the fighting is real between the two of them, it 1956 01:51:12.439 --> 01:51:14.720 does the same thing and it creates a distraction where 1957 01:51:14.739 --> 01:51:18.800 people are getting so caught up in the salacious nonsense 1958 01:51:19.359 --> 01:51:22.319 that is going on with the people, they forget that 1959 01:51:23.550 --> 01:51:26.750 what lies underneath that? Well, what I'm, what I was asking, 1960 01:51:26.770 --> 01:51:28.770 that is the war in Iran. Right. 1961 01:51:28.810 --> 01:51:32.140 Well, what I was asking was essentially, do you think 1962 01:51:32.180 --> 01:51:36.840 that Charlie was in the way of a war in Iran? 1963 01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:40.920 Because he was very much against, you know,

you, you 1964 01:51:40.939 --> 01:51:44.920 talked about turning point being embedded, you know, Charlie say 1965 01:51:44.939 --> 01:51:48.479 what you want about him, but he had his beliefs 1966 01:51:48.539 --> 01:51:51.850 and he stuck to them. He was against war and, 1967 01:51:54.270 --> 01:51:58.560 He seemingly didn't want Turning Point to become the very 1968 01:51:58.680 --> 01:52:04.300 thing that... I just don't think that he wanted Turning 1969 01:52:04.340 --> 01:52:08.399 Point to be this government lever. Could Erica have been 1970 01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:15.909 introduced to him on purpose? I don't like to get conspiratorial, 1971 01:52:16.289 --> 01:52:18.289 but it seems like Charlie might have been in the 1972 01:52:18.350 --> 01:52:19.970 way of the endgame. 1973 01:52:20.270 --> 01:52:22.800 It's possible. Or he could have been in on it. 1974 01:52:23.060 --> 01:52:25.470 And my point is, it doesn't matter which one it is. 1975 01:52:26.270 --> 01:52:29.390 Because if you're arguing about that, you're completely missing what 1976 01:52:29.430 --> 01:52:31.489 the end game actually is in the first place anyway. 1977 01:52:31.510 --> 01:52:33.850 So whether he was in the way of it or 1978 01:52:33.909 --> 01:52:36.600 whether he was helping push it forward, it still happened. 1979 01:52:36.699 --> 01:52:40.359 The infrastructure underneath it still exists. And it still created 1980 01:52:40.399 --> 01:52:44.579 a distraction for people to allow them to put focus elsewhere. 1981 01:52:45.199 --> 01:52:49.250 Well, then, yeah, they fought. They fought. Because if there 1982 01:52:49.270 --> 01:52:53.210 were people celebrating it, there were people that were devastated 1983 01:52:53.250 --> 01:52:56.529 by it, of course. It's our generation's JFK. 1984 01:52:56.569 --> 01:52:58.239 To me, what it felt like was a message from the. 1985 01:52:58.140 --> 01:53:00.840 Deep state saying, at any moment, not only can this 1986 01:53:00.859 --> 01:53:19.989 get really real, But we can take back power. It 1987 01:53:21.449 --> 01:53:24.510 felt like a message that we're all getting a little 1988 01:53:24.529 --> 01:53:29.229 bit too riled up. And it seemed like they wanted 1989 01:53:29.310 --> 01:53:32.649 us to be put back in our place and go 1990 01:53:32.720 --> 01:53:35.479 back to keeping your head in the sand. I don't 1991 01:53:35.520 --> 01:53:38.420 know if it's had that effect, so to say. 1992 01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:42.319 Well, look at what's happened since it's happened. Trump got reelected. 1993 01:53:43.319 --> 01:53:45.909 In the first 10 days of his reelection, he created 1994 01:53:45.949 --> 01:53:49.130 the Genesis Mission, which allowed artificial intelligence and these companies 1995 01:53:49.170 --> 01:53:51.670 basically to run unchecked for like 10 years where they 1996 01:53:51.710 --> 01:53:57.850 can't be regulated. It's created, again, multiple situations, whether it 1997 01:53:57.890 --> 01:54:01.229 be Iran

or what happened in Venezuela or Greenland, where 1998 01:54:01.270 --> 01:54:03.810 we're zapping up these resources while at the same time 1999 01:54:03.850 --> 01:54:05.869 we're telling people that there's an artificial God and that 2000 01:54:05.890 --> 01:54:09.680 superintelligence exists. It happens at the same time where he's 2001 01:54:09.739 --> 01:54:13.479 creating all these distractions, renaming everything after America or renaming 2002 01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:18.850 it after himself. In doing exactly what you were accusing 2003 01:54:18.909 --> 01:54:25.350 his interns, whoever runs the White House Twitter account of doing. 2004 01:54:25.409 --> 01:54:28.710 It's not just the Twitter interns who are doing that. 2005 01:54:28.750 --> 01:54:33.399 That's every facet of his government does that. It's all 2006 01:54:33.409 --> 01:54:36.279 a distraction. He's there to be a distraction. He's there 2007 01:54:36.359 --> 01:54:37.260 because people have. 2008 01:54:37.300 --> 01:54:38.300 He's there to be the heel. 2009 01:54:38.739 --> 01:54:41.439 Yeah, well, exactly. Or to be a baby face, depending 2010 01:54:41.500 --> 01:54:42.840 on what your opinion is. 2011 01:54:43.060 --> 01:54:43.960 Yeah, who you are. 2012 01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:47.340 I tend to think he's there simply to just distract people. 2013 01:54:47.640 --> 01:54:50.090 He is a hell of an entertainer, regardless of whether 2014 01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:52.970 you like him or not. He is entertaining. And people 2015 01:54:53.010 --> 01:54:54.750 put their focus on him the same way they put 2016 01:54:54.770 --> 01:54:57.869 their focus on whether it be like a Candace or 2017 01:54:57.890 --> 01:55:02.750 a Tucker or Joe Rogan. It's we choose to be 2018 01:55:02.869 --> 01:55:05.989 entertained by people for the most part, as opposed to 2019 01:55:06.869 --> 01:55:10.109 creating our own environments. And I think that's part of 2020 01:55:10.170 --> 01:55:11.649 how we end up with the world that we're in, 2021 01:55:11.689 --> 01:55:15.149 because instead of researching these things, we allow other people 2022 01:55:15.189 --> 01:55:16.069 to shape our opinions. 2023 01:55:16.970 --> 01:55:25.600 Yeah. So before we wrap, there's something I wanted to, 2024 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:27.039 there was one last thing I wanted to get to. 2025 01:55:27.460 --> 01:55:29.579 So yeah, like you said, you've kept this whole thing free, 2026 01:55:29.619 --> 01:55:35.659 self-funded and without an email list, of course. What do 2027 01:55:35.680 --> 01:55:39.199 you think that choice has done to protect you from 2028 01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:43.600 being labeled something? 2029 01:55:44.659 --> 01:55:47.100 Who gives a shit if I'm labeled that? I don't care. 2030 01:55:47.119 --> 01:55:49.739 That's the thing is I don't think people get is 2031 01:55:49.779 --> 01:55:54.449 I don't care. I'm here because there's A message underneath 2032 01:55:54.510 --> 01:55:57.189 the person who's saying it. If I go away tomorrow 2033 01:55:57.250 --> 01:56:00.069 and this message gets even stronger, I'll fucking be the 2034 01:56:00.170 --> 01:56:01.390 happiest person alive. 2035 01:56:02.289 --> 01:56:02.489 Right? 2036 01:56:02.510 --> 01:56:04.229 Because then I don't have to do any of this. 2037 01:56:04.270 --> 01:56:06.229 I don't really want to be a public figure. This 2038 01:56:06.300 --> 01:56:08.359 isn't the 80s where you can be a rock star 2039 01:56:08.899 --> 01:56:11.560 and do a ton of cocaine and party with chicks 2040 01:56:11.600 --> 01:56:14.239 and nobody's going to notice. Everything is filmed. There really 2041 01:56:14.260 --> 01:56:14.960 is no. 2042 01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:17.409 Ask Michael Batista, guys. 2043 01:56:17.689 --> 01:56:21.069 Yeah. By the way. I'm 40 now. So like those 2044 01:56:21.090 --> 01:56:22.310 are the things that I would have wanted when I 2045 01:56:22.329 --> 01:56:25.050 was 20. And I actually wanted to like be in 2046 01:56:25.069 --> 01:56:26.979 this industry and want to do this. Like now the 2047 01:56:27.020 --> 01:56:29.180 only reason why I'm doing this is because I genuinely 2048 01:56:29.260 --> 01:56:32.319 think that there's a sliver of hope. I think there's 2049 01:56:32.420 --> 01:56:35.850 information overload right now on the Internet. You have. a 2050 01:56:35.949 --> 01:56:39.390 population of people who are desperately searching for answers. And 2051 01:56:39.430 --> 01:56:41.409 I think if I can get to enough of them 2052 01:56:41.449 --> 01:56:43.770 and explain what I've explained today, and they hear it 2053 01:56:43.810 --> 01:56:46.829 from someone who wants nothing from them, but for them 2054 01:56:46.909 --> 01:56:49.430 to go dig and steel man through everything I'm saying, 2055 01:56:50.090 --> 01:56:53.250 it creates someone who's very different than the dynamics that 2056 01:56:53.289 --> 01:56:57.510 are shaped this ecosystem, where whether it be at the top, 2057 01:56:57.550 --> 01:57:00.300 people who are getting paid like Joe Rogan, $ 250 million 2058 01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:03.899 on Spotify, or these smaller podcasts, where shows like I 2059 01:57:03.939 --> 01:57:06.720 went on a show Thursday night and the kid who 2060 01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:09.119 interviewed me was a very nice guy, but he had 2061 01:57:09.279 --> 01:57:11.630 gold advertisements and like all of these things that I'm 2062 01:57:11.689 --> 01:57:14.829 calling out is grifts in the stop feeding the grifter documentary. 2063 01:57:14.869 --> 01:57:17.270 Like he has all these advertisements on his show. And like, 2064 01:57:17.310 --> 01:57:19.229 I don't think that like, I don't think he's like 2065 01:57:19.270 --> 01:57:21.819 part of the military industrial complex or like he, the 2066 01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:23.279 fact that he even had me on a show, it's 2067 01:57:23.319 --> 01:57:27.130 like clearly he, either didn't know any better or is 2068 01:57:27.789 --> 01:57:31.010

just someone like you who's willing to have conversations with 2069 01:57:31.050 --> 01:57:33.590 people they might not necessarily agree with. But the point is, 2070 01:57:33.989 --> 01:57:36.409 it's still part of an ecosystem that exists because you 2071 01:57:36.449 --> 01:57:38.949 look at the people at top, like Joe Rogan, and 2072 01:57:38.970 --> 01:57:40.789 you think you have to do what they're doing to 2073 01:57:40.829 --> 01:57:43.810 get there. So if you, like me, don't have any 2074 01:57:43.939 --> 01:57:46.880 motivation to get there, I don't want to get there. 2075 01:57:46.920 --> 01:57:48.500 I just want people to hear this. I don't give 2076 01:57:48.520 --> 01:57:50.119 a shit if it's from me. I don't care if 2077 01:57:50.159 --> 01:57:53.140 people steal everything that's on the engine or steal my videos. 2078 01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:55.439 I don't give a shit about any of that. I 2079 01:57:55.550 --> 01:57:58.810 very simply just want a better world. I want critical 2080 01:57:58.909 --> 01:58:02.529 thought to be something that's not foreign to the average person. 2081 01:58:02.750 --> 01:58:07.409 I want us to be a functioning society of people 2082 01:58:07.449 --> 01:58:10.920 who view each other like passengers on a ride. of 2083 01:58:11.079 --> 01:58:13.939 whatever this journey is, as opposed to, again, people that 2084 01:58:13.979 --> 01:58:17.039 are constantly trying to one-up and sell each other things 2085 01:58:17.140 --> 01:58:19.539 and trying to be at the top of a power 2086 01:58:19.579 --> 01:58:22.159 structure that doesn't need to exist in the first place. 2087 01:58:24.550 --> 01:58:27.369 So again, I hope I answered your question. 2088 01:58:28.630 --> 01:58:31.210 Yeah, what do you think about a guy like Nikola Tesla? 2089 01:58:33.590 --> 01:58:35.890 Stuff, again. 2090 01:58:35.930 --> 01:58:37.890 Do you think he had the right idea? 2091 01:58:37.909 --> 01:58:44.760 I think the perception that Tesla is like this guy 2092 01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:46.819 who wanted free energy and was trying to do the 2093 01:58:46.859 --> 01:58:51.979 right things is certainly one that ignores his eugenics fakes. 2094 01:58:54.140 --> 01:58:57.020 And again, I don't think any of us really has 2095 01:58:57.060 --> 01:58:58.779 it figured out, including me. I'm sure there's a lot 2096 01:58:58.810 --> 01:59:01.550 of bad that I've said or done, or maybe I'm 2097 01:59:01.590 --> 01:59:07.069 wrong on some of this stuff, too. So I would 2098 01:59:07.090 --> 01:59:08.550 like to think that Tesla was a good guy. I 2099 01:59:08.550 --> 01:59:10.409 would like to think that he wanted to do the 2100 01:59:10.470 --> 01:59:13.609 right things. But there's also some weird shit there. And 2101 01:59:13.630 --> 01:59:16.369 then there's also the fact that we live in a 2102 01:59:16.409 --> 01:59:19.909 time where the national databases are controlled by criminals. And 2103 01:59:19.930 --> 01:59:22.729 have been controlled by criminals for years. So there's something 2104 01:59:22.770 --> 01:59:25.560 called retrocausality, which means that the past can change the 2105 01:59:25.600 --> 01:59:28.100 future and the future can change the past. And that's 2106 01:59:28.140 --> 01:59:30.380 great in time travel movies. But in the real world, 2107 01:59:30.399 --> 01:59:32.140 what that means is that when you have access to 2108 01:59:32.199 --> 01:59:35.619 a national database and you're the military industrial complex, you 2109 01:59:35.659 --> 01:59:38.710 might not want the general public to know X, Y, 2110 01:59:38.699 --> 01:59:42.819 and Z about a certain situation. You can create a 2111 01:59:42.939 --> 01:59:46.250 world of either fake retrocausality, like the Trump time travel 2112 01:59:46.270 --> 01:59:49.779 stuff with Tesla and his Or you could just simply 2113 01:59:49.819 --> 01:59:55.510 delete the information if no one knows that it exists. Again, 2114 01:59:55.590 --> 02:00:01.010 I hope I'm not getting too crazy here by saying that. 2115 02:00:01.149 --> 02:00:02.289 I don't think I am, right? 2116 02:00:02.930 --> 02:00:04.130 No, no, no. 2117 02:00:05.029 --> 02:00:07.029 I think that's more believable than time travel is the 2118 02:00:07.069 --> 02:00:10.090 fact that people will edit and manipulate information the same 2119 02:00:10.130 --> 02:00:13.569 way that people, when they're being assholes, manipulate someone's Wikipedia 2120 02:00:13.590 --> 02:00:15.390 page to say that he likes feet and that he 2121 02:00:15.489 --> 02:00:17.720 eats his own shit or whatever they do. to whoever 2122 02:00:17.739 --> 02:00:20.359 they're trying to attack. Like it's, I look how easy 2123 02:00:20.460 --> 02:00:24.119 a Wikipedia page can be manipulated. Like the Jim Carrey 2124 02:00:24.140 --> 02:00:27.260 death hoax. Do you remember that like a year ago? Yeah. 2125 02:00:27.560 --> 02:00:27.880 Yeah. 2126 02:00:28.279 --> 02:00:30.859 That's just the perfect example of retro cause Allen. And 2127 02:00:30.899 --> 02:00:33.420 eventually it gets figured out and it gets deemed as fake, 2128 02:00:33.439 --> 02:00:36.319 but imagine a situation to where it's something that it's 2129 02:00:36.340 --> 02:00:38.899 a lot more obscure than a celebrity that we can 2130 02:00:38.939 --> 02:00:42.939 prove is real because he's still alive. Right. So imagine 2131 02:00:43.000 --> 02:00:46.250 something more obscure, like the Baron Trump books. That were 2132 02:00:46.270 --> 02:00:50.090 written by Ingersoll Lockwood. And please tell me if anyone 2133 02:00:50.109 --> 02:00:51.789 has a copy of that that owned a copy of 2134 02:00:51.829 --> 02:00:54.829 that before 2016 or 2015. I would love to meet 2135 02:00:54.850 --> 02:00:56.850 you and see that copy. And I'm not talking about 2136 02:00:56.880 --> 02:00:58.640 the ones that are in the national databases of the 2137 02:00:58.680 --> 02:01:01.479 national libraries. I'm talking about an actual

human that sold 2138 02:01:01.539 --> 02:01:05.579 that book before 2015 or 16. Because these are the 2139 02:01:05.600 --> 02:01:07.180 type of things that keep me up when I think 2140 02:01:07.220 --> 02:01:10.350 about shit like this. And how easy the human mind 2141 02:01:10.390 --> 02:01:13.409 can be sighed up by a military industrial complex who 2142 02:01:13.430 --> 02:01:15.710 has access to things that the general public might not 2143 02:01:15.770 --> 02:01:18.529 even think of needing to understand to know if they're 2144 02:01:18.550 --> 02:01:20.090 being sighed up. 2145 02:01:20.109 --> 02:01:22.590 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what's funny is I just 2146 02:01:22.649 --> 02:01:27.939 did a couple shows on like Mandela effects and a 2147 02:01:29.000 --> 02:01:33.380 guy was talking to me about, I was talking to 2148 02:01:33.399 --> 02:01:40.819 me about, what is it, Gibraltar and geographical Mandela effects. 2149 02:01:41.399 --> 02:01:47.939 And he said that he remembers Gibraltar being an island, 2150 02:01:48.630 --> 02:01:51.529 but in this reality, it's actually a peninsula. 2151 02:01:51.869 --> 02:01:52.689 It's not an island. 2152 02:01:53.329 --> 02:01:59.029 And he did show me some books that have it 2153 02:02:00.449 --> 02:02:04.869 listed in a book of islands. And it was predate, 2154 02:02:04.930 --> 02:02:07.810 like the date on the book And then you had 2155 02:02:08.710 --> 02:02:12.130 VHSs that kind of alluded to the same thing. And 2156 02:02:12.149 --> 02:02:15.250 it was all like, but even that to a degree 2157 02:02:15.289 --> 02:02:18.369 could be like faked. You can slap a sticker on 2158 02:02:18.409 --> 02:02:20.979 a VHS. I didn't see it get put into a 2159 02:02:21.399 --> 02:02:25.960 VCR and played. I just saw the VHS tape, right? 2160 02:02:25.979 --> 02:02:27.640 But anyone can fake that or the book. 2161 02:02:27.659 --> 02:02:29.619 Humans are also wrong a lot. Who's to say that 2162 02:02:29.640 --> 02:02:32.460 there wasn't an error in the book from like 200 2163 02:02:32.460 --> 02:02:35.920 or 300 years ago? And we have no way of knowing. 2164 02:02:35.979 --> 02:02:38.439 We didn't exist then. We weren't alive two, three hundred 2165 02:02:38.479 --> 02:02:41.770 years ago. We just have other information to cross source 2166 02:02:41.829 --> 02:02:44.670 with and see. And sometimes that conflicts. Like you look 2167 02:02:44.689 --> 02:02:49.710 at someone like Archaics, Jason Brashears and his differences that 2168 02:02:49.729 --> 02:02:52.119 he has with someone like Grant Hancock on the timeline 2169 02:02:52.159 --> 02:02:56.539 and whether we've existed for 10,000 years or whether we are. 2170 02:02:57.319 --> 02:03:00.140 what Jason says are only 6,000 years old or whatever 2171 02:03:00.159 --> 02:03:02.100 it is. And like the reality is, is neither one 2172 02:03:02.140 --> 02:03:04.300 really has any answers. Neither one has any proof, but 2173 02:03:04.319 --> 02:03:05.819 they're

both trying to sell you that they do. 2174 02:03:07.239 --> 02:03:12.960 Well, I mean, I would say that like go back 2175 02:03:12.979 --> 02:03:19.560 to Lee Tepe and Carrie Ann Tepe seemingly prove that 2176 02:03:20.359 --> 02:03:22.000 we were not hunter gatherers. 2177 02:03:22.590 --> 02:03:24.350 I agree with that, but I don't think that you 2178 02:03:24.369 --> 02:03:27.050 can necessarily prove a timeline from carbon dating when there 2179 02:03:27.090 --> 02:03:28.970 are so many issues with carbon dating. And I think 2180 02:03:28.989 --> 02:03:31.789 that's where Jason's argument comes in. And again, I don't 2181 02:03:31.890 --> 02:03:34.649 think like I have an answer here, but I don't 2182 02:03:34.670 --> 02:03:37.850 think either one, whether it be Jason or Graham Hancock 2183 02:03:37.939 --> 02:03:40.260 necessarily have an answer to that either. I mean, we're 2184 02:03:40.300 --> 02:03:42.239 as good as the context that we have and the 2185 02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:45.260 technology that we have available to us. So we have 2186 02:03:45.279 --> 02:03:46.840 to put a lot of stock and faith in that 2187 02:03:46.880 --> 02:03:51.260 technology in order to really give that analysis our weight, right? 2188 02:03:52.069 --> 02:03:54.619 And again, this is, this is across the board. This 2189 02:03:54.680 --> 02:03:57.680 is not just this situation about Quebec. This is essentially 2190 02:03:57.739 --> 02:03:58.560 everything in life. 2191 02:03:59.520 --> 02:03:59.779 So. 2192 02:04:03.220 --> 02:04:06.279 Oh man, a million doors just fucking open for me. 2193 02:04:06.539 --> 02:04:07.140 I don't know why. 2194 02:04:07.159 --> 02:04:10.079 Um, I'm sorry. I know that sometimes I can be 2195 02:04:10.119 --> 02:04:12.960 a mind fuck, man. Like I, I like the rabbit 2196 02:04:13.000 --> 02:04:14.560 hole stuff. That's why I said before the interview, if 2197 02:04:14.579 --> 02:04:16.199 you need to like reel me back in and tell 2198 02:04:16.220 --> 02:04:18.460 me to shut up at points. No, no, no. I don't, 2199 02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:19.859 I don't do that. I don't do that. 2200 02:04:20.500 --> 02:04:23.960 Um, obviously people I think will, will point to the 2201 02:04:24.020 --> 02:04:28.279 idea that after world war two, the idea of eugenics was, 2202 02:04:29.159 --> 02:04:35.710 you know, widely discredited as pseudoscience, but I, I, I, 2203 02:04:36.789 --> 02:04:39.649 I don't, I don't like those things. 2204 02:04:39.909 --> 02:04:41.489 I don't like that word pseudoscience. 2205 02:04:41.529 --> 02:04:44.550 They discredit and they call it pseudoscience, but yet people 2206 02:04:44.590 --> 02:04:48.210 like Jack Parsons were, were doing weird experiments out in 2207 02:04:48.250 --> 02:04:50.810 the desert. God knows what him and, L. Ron Hubbard 2208 02:04:50.829 --> 02:04:53.010 were doing. I'm assuming it's similar to what happened to 2209 02:04:53.050 --> 02:04:56.010 Peter Thiel's hot tub, but they made that moon

child, right? 2210 02:04:56.569 --> 02:04:59.630 So they take the occult very seriously. Or how put 2211 02:04:59.689 --> 02:05:06.180 off in Scientology. Dude, again, they take it very seriously. 2212 02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:08.300 The people who are at the top of these things 2213 02:05:08.340 --> 02:05:12.939 take the occult very seriously. So what's to say that 2214 02:05:13.439 --> 02:05:16.020 they're not just telling us it's pseudoscience because they don't 2215 02:05:16.039 --> 02:05:18.640 want us diving into the occult because it's very simply 2216 02:05:18.680 --> 02:05:21.399 an understanding of nature. They want us thinking that it's 2217 02:05:21.500 --> 02:05:25.020 demons and all of this nonsensical stuff that's going to 2218 02:05:25.060 --> 02:05:26.899 scare the shit out of us because if they have 2219 02:05:26.960 --> 02:05:30.479 that power over us where they have an understanding that 2220 02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:32.720 we don't, then they can use that to manipulate us. 2221 02:05:33.710 --> 02:05:39.029 And I honestly, I invite, like, if the devil wants 2222 02:05:39.130 --> 02:05:43.210 to come have a conversation with me, come. 2223 02:05:43.689 --> 02:05:46.890 Come have a conversation with me. I know my willpower. 2224 02:05:48.029 --> 02:05:52.930 I know that I'll be able to handle myself on, on. 2225 02:05:53.569 --> 02:05:56.949 But, but until I, until I see the devil, you 2226 02:05:56.970 --> 02:06:03.909 know what I mean? I, I, I don't really, you know. 2227 02:06:01.829 --> 02:06:02.250 What I mean? 2228 02:06:02.270 --> 02:06:04.970 I just think it's, it's a bedtime story, just like 2229 02:06:05.029 --> 02:06:05.770 Santa Claus. 2230 02:06:06.369 --> 02:06:09.149 Um, I view it like a subconscious. Yeah. 2231 02:06:09.170 --> 02:06:12.149 Do I, do I think evil exists? So how's a 2232 02:06:12.229 --> 02:06:13.069 fucking looting? 2233 02:06:14.109 --> 02:06:17.710 I came, I know what evil is. I came home 2234 02:06:17.810 --> 02:06:20.550 to it most of my life. I came home to 2235 02:06:20.609 --> 02:06:23.640 either Dr. Jekyll or Hyde. We didn't know which one 2236 02:06:23.680 --> 02:06:26.420 we were dealing with. So I know what fucking evil 2237 02:06:26.460 --> 02:06:30.600 looks like. You don't get to tell me. What I 2238 02:06:30.640 --> 02:06:35.020 need to know is where that evil comes from. And 2239 02:06:36.260 --> 02:06:40.800 I know it's Halloween and it's the time of believing 2240 02:06:40.840 --> 02:06:43.439 in all that and really tapping into all that stuff. 2241 02:06:43.979 --> 02:06:49.510 But what I think, like even talking about witchcraft, even 2242 02:06:49.550 --> 02:06:50.430 in talking to some of. 2243 02:06:50.430 --> 02:06:52.630 The witches, the current witches in Salem. 2244 02:06:53.189 --> 02:06:56.750 They talk about witchcraft back in the day as being 2245 02:06:56.810 --> 02:07:02.640 way more holistic and being one with nature, right? More 2246 02:07:02.920 --> 02:07:12.380 like blessings than black magic. But again, Hollywood and storytelling 2247 02:07:12.439 --> 02:07:15.340 is really, it's like a game of phone. 2248 02:07:16.060 --> 02:07:19.920 It's fear mongering. It's Alex Jones nonsense. It's the same 2249 02:07:19.979 --> 02:07:22.010 way he makes his money if you really think about it. 2250 02:07:22.859 --> 02:07:25.600 It's just fear mongering. It's scaring people off of doing 2251 02:07:25.659 --> 02:07:29.430 any actual research and seeing things for themselves. And it's funny, 2252 02:07:29.449 --> 02:07:32.689 you brought up the Salem and the witches. Again, nature. 2253 02:07:32.949 --> 02:07:37.010 We're talking about nature. We're talking about an understanding of 2254 02:07:37.109 --> 02:07:39.909 the world around us. And it can either be beautiful 2255 02:07:40.170 --> 02:07:42.829 or it can be brutal. It is both things. And 2256 02:07:43.010 --> 02:07:46.720 it is shaped by Our perception of that and our 2257 02:07:46.779 --> 02:07:50.949 perception creates our reality. So I think we can choose 2258 02:07:51.010 --> 02:07:53.970 what lens we see things through. Even if at times 2259 02:07:54.010 --> 02:07:56.149 they are brutal, we can try to see the beauty. 2260 02:07:57.069 --> 02:08:00.659 And that's, again, it's a choice that we make. individually. 2261 02:08:00.680 --> 02:08:03.319 So you talk about black magic or people say white magic. 2262 02:08:03.760 --> 02:08:07.340 That's just the choice of your intention. So a tool 2263 02:08:07.399 --> 02:08:10.579 is a tool. And the intention is what gives the 2264 02:08:10.640 --> 02:08:15.229 tool its meaning. So whether we're talking about artificial intelligence 2265 02:08:15.890 --> 02:08:19.899 and LLMs, which are technically magic, Or whether you want 2266 02:08:19.920 --> 02:08:25.369 to talk about the occult and seances and all this stuff, which, again, 2267 02:08:25.590 --> 02:08:26.949 come down to meaning. 2268 02:08:28.729 --> 02:08:33.670 So your intent informs the end process. 2269 02:08:34.210 --> 02:08:37.149 Yes, that's my belief. And I think sometimes the subconscious 2270 02:08:37.189 --> 02:08:40.149 can sneak into the intent. And maybe sometimes where you 2271 02:08:40.189 --> 02:08:42.619 think you have good intent. You may have bad intent. 2272 02:08:42.659 --> 02:08:44.500 It's like when you eat acid and you think that 2273 02:08:44.520 --> 02:08:46.380 you're in a good mood. God, I thought. 2274 02:08:46.159 --> 02:08:50.689 You were about to say something different, bro. Yeah. No. I. 2275 02:08:52.810 --> 02:08:54.010 I'm curious. Where do you think I was going? 2276 02:08:55.289 --> 02:08:55.989 Eat ass. 2277 02:08:56.670 --> 02:08:57.130 Oh, no. 2278 02:08:57.170 --> 02:08:59.869 That's what I thought I heard at first. And then 2279 02:08:59.890 --> 02:09:01.770 I heard the end and I went, oh, okay. 2280 02:09:02.569 --> 02:09:04.430 I'm happy I'm a married man because I don't have 2281 02:09:04.449 --> 02:09:06.489 to

worry about the new dating world and eating ass. 2282 02:09:06.770 --> 02:09:10.720 That's so beyond like... God, I'm an old man. I 2283 02:09:10.720 --> 02:09:14.000 don't know if he's like that. I'm 40. I missed 2284 02:09:14.020 --> 02:09:16.039 that boat and I'm happy I did. I know enough 2285 02:09:16.060 --> 02:09:18.819 about E. coli that I'm. Yeah, no, I don't know. 2286 02:09:19.539 --> 02:09:22.020 I've never been a dirt road fan. I'm all good. 2287 02:09:22.050 --> 02:09:25.409 I thought you said though, and I was like, wait, 2288 02:09:25.449 --> 02:09:26.850 what the fuck are we talking about? 2289 02:09:26.869 --> 02:09:27.729 Very funny. 2290 02:09:27.770 --> 02:09:28.050 Yeah. 2291 02:09:28.130 --> 02:09:31.350 Eat acid. Yeah. So it's like eating acid. Like you 2292 02:09:31.369 --> 02:09:33.390 can go into it with good intentions, right? Where you 2293 02:09:33.409 --> 02:09:36.180 think that you're having a good trip. And the next 2294 02:09:36.220 --> 02:09:38.060 thing you know, you're bringing up some shit from like 2295 02:09:38.100 --> 02:09:40.079 five years ago. Maybe you ate a bad ass, some 2296 02:09:40.260 --> 02:09:43.979 nasty stripper, and you forgot about it. And all of 2297 02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:45.520 a sudden it's haunting you and you forgot that you 2298 02:09:45.550 --> 02:09:49.569 never got tested afterwards. So like, I've had some bad trips. 2299 02:09:49.630 --> 02:09:51.590 I've had some really bad trips to where I've had 2300 02:09:51.630 --> 02:09:53.510 to face my own demons. And I've also had some 2301 02:09:53.529 --> 02:09:56.489 things happen in my life where I've kind of dove 2302 02:09:56.569 --> 02:10:00.640 into the dark night of the soul, the subconscious, the shadow, 2303 02:10:01.020 --> 02:10:03.319 and had to pull myself out of some pretty dark 2304 02:10:03.399 --> 02:10:08.699 places to where even entertaining thoughts like this could be 2305 02:10:08.739 --> 02:10:10.560 a thing as opposed to like, most people get so 2306 02:10:10.619 --> 02:10:13.020 caught up in like their day to day grind of 2307 02:10:13.060 --> 02:10:17.000 like their relationships with people and how this happened or 2308 02:10:17.039 --> 02:10:19.859 how that happened. I have a real hard time being 2309 02:10:19.899 --> 02:10:23.850 involved in like what most people consider the real world. 2310 02:10:23.909 --> 02:10:27.010 I'm kind of a fucking space cadet. So like, I 2311 02:10:27.069 --> 02:10:29.750 think that process happened over the course of a few 2312 02:10:29.789 --> 02:10:31.590 dark nights in the soul and some pretty bad things 2313 02:10:31.630 --> 02:10:35.350 happening to me and me having to leave essentially the 2314 02:10:35.689 --> 02:10:40.800 external and travel into the internal and figure out who 2315 02:10:40.819 --> 02:10:42.939 the person looking back at me in the mirror is 2316 02:10:42.979 --> 02:10:45.420 and whether I'm comfortable and okay with that person. And 2317 02:10:45.579 --> 02:10:47.960 I've gotten to a point where I'm very happy with 2318 02:10:47.979 --> 02:10:51.869 who I am. And I think that's essentially needed for 2319 02:10:51.890 --> 02:10:56.430 not just the individual, but for humanity. And I'm sure 2320 02:10:56.449 --> 02:10:58.010 there are people in your audience who have done that 2321 02:10:58.029 --> 02:10:59.470 and are shaking their heads and going, yeah. And then 2322 02:10:59.489 --> 02:11:02.579 I'm sure there are some people in your audience who are, uh, 2323 02:11:03.250 --> 02:11:04.510 I have no clue what the fuck I'm talking about 2324 02:11:04.529 --> 02:11:08.050 by saying that. And like, I had just one more 2325 02:11:08.090 --> 02:11:09.970 quick thing. I had someone who brought up like the 2326 02:11:10.010 --> 02:11:13.329 Kundalini experiment to me. Like we were talking about it 2327 02:11:13.550 --> 02:11:15.770 and like people think that they reach enlightenment and like 2328 02:11:15.829 --> 02:11:18.649 all of a sudden it's over. It's like, no, never 2329 02:11:18.800 --> 02:11:21.300 ending journey. It's a fire that you have to constantly 2330 02:11:21.380 --> 02:11:24.909 tend to of like, Yeah, you might figure out some 2331 02:11:24.970 --> 02:11:28.449 cool things about reality and about like our shared existence 2332 02:11:28.489 --> 02:11:30.649 and consciousness. But the reality is we all still have 2333 02:11:30.670 --> 02:11:33.029 to shit, eat, take out the garbage, right? We all 2334 02:11:33.050 --> 02:11:36.000 still exist in the shared real world together. And if 2335 02:11:36.039 --> 02:11:40.600 you're constantly detached from whatever this reality is, it's going 2336 02:11:40.619 --> 02:11:41.800 to be very tough to make it better. 2337 02:11:41.819 --> 02:11:44.500 Yeah, that's a very good point. 2338 02:11:44.859 --> 02:11:46.579 Yeah, so like there are people that like think that 2339 02:11:46.619 --> 02:11:50.359 like just because they've hit this like enlightenment stage or 2340 02:11:50.380 --> 02:11:52.300 whatever they feel that is that like oh no the 2341 02:11:52.340 --> 02:11:54.560 rest of things don't matter things will figure themselves out 2342 02:11:54.600 --> 02:11:56.319 it's like no asshole you have to help us figure 2343 02:11:56.340 --> 02:12:00.119 that out that's how this works that's. 2344 02:11:59.359 --> 02:12:02.159 A very good point you know the same you know 2345 02:12:02.180 --> 02:12:06.180 you brought up acid and uh just psychedelic experiences in 2346 02:12:06.239 --> 02:12:10.890 general like i you know with in respect to like 2347 02:12:10.939 --> 02:12:15.250 a kundalini experience you know that's the closest i've ever 2348 02:12:15.329 --> 02:12:21.199 been to a religious moment um and After a few days, 2349 02:12:21.220 --> 02:12:26.840 the things that you experienced in the psychedelic trip start, 2350 02:12:27.020 --> 02:12:31.380 I mean, they get less profound with each hour that passes, right? 2351 02:12:31.560 -->

02:12:33.810 And you start to look at it more like a memory. 2352 02:12:34.100 --> 02:12:37.789 But I remember feeling that I knew why the wind 2353 02:12:37.890 --> 02:12:42.529 was blowing the grass. And I could see the system 2354 02:12:42.550 --> 02:12:46.170 that was the trees and the birds and the bugs and. 2355 02:12:46.109 --> 02:12:48.789 The bees and everything. I could see the system. 2356 02:12:49.229 --> 02:12:53.800 So I grew a new respect for that system through 2357 02:12:54.300 --> 02:12:58.539 an experience that I've had. Again, it was far more 2358 02:12:58.619 --> 02:13:05.300 profound having the experience, but I still remember the lesson learned. 2359 02:13:05.880 --> 02:13:08.819 So I think that's how we need to look at life, right? 2360 02:13:09.180 --> 02:13:10.800 Is a series of teachings. 2361 02:13:11.560 --> 02:13:14.659 I think you're right. I had a similar experience. I 2362 02:13:14.699 --> 02:13:17.180 haven't eaten like acid or smoked DMT in a while. 2363 02:13:17.359 --> 02:13:19.640 I said this in an interview with Michael Deacon that 2364 02:13:19.699 --> 02:13:22.819 like I'm at a frequency where I'm very comfortable. So 2365 02:13:22.840 --> 02:13:24.979 like I don't need to hit that reset button. But 2366 02:13:25.020 --> 02:13:27.100 the last time I did, I had an experience that 2367 02:13:27.149 --> 02:13:29.569 was very similar to yours. And it actually drove me 2368 02:13:29.609 --> 02:13:34.850 into looking at the Ethiopian Bibles. And about the story 2369 02:13:34.930 --> 02:13:37.250 of Adam and Eve and about how that seems like 2370 02:13:37.310 --> 02:13:41.180 we've lost whatever quantum connection we had to the earth 2371 02:13:41.199 --> 02:13:44.859 and nature by Eve eating the fruit. And again, I 2372 02:13:44.880 --> 02:13:48.880 think this stuff is allegory because I think that's where 2373 02:13:49.000 --> 02:13:51.989 they became conscious. That's where they started having shame, where 2374 02:13:52.029 --> 02:13:55.329 they covered themselves with the figs. And again, when you 2375 02:13:55.350 --> 02:13:57.770 start looking at that story, just through the lens of physics, 2376 02:13:57.829 --> 02:14:01.340 you get What I'm talking about now, it's kind of 2377 02:14:01.409 --> 02:14:05.619 like there's a connection with nature. We have, but we 2378 02:14:05.680 --> 02:14:09.039 all don't necessarily respect. And it takes some type of 2379 02:14:09.060 --> 02:14:12.760 psychedelic for us to really appreciate. But again, it's like 2380 02:14:12.800 --> 02:14:14.359 a fire. It needs to be tended. It goes in 2381 02:14:14.470 --> 02:14:16.710 and out. And unless we constantly are tending that, it 2382 02:14:16.750 --> 02:14:20.069 goes away. What was that fruit? What was that? 2383 02:14:20.210 --> 02:14:21.529 What was the root of all evil? 2384 02:14:23.750 --> 02:14:26.479 Root of all evil. Yeah. 2385 02:14:26.569 --> 02:14:28.460 Well, in the Adam and Eve story. 2386 02:14:30.180 --> 02:14:32.659 Oh, it was the tree of knowledge and the tree 2387 02:14:32.680 --> 02:14:34.399 of life. It was an apple, I believe, was the 2388 02:14:34.479 --> 02:14:35.079 actual fruit. 2389 02:14:35.779 --> 02:14:49.770 Right. And when you eat the apple, right, you tend to, 2390 02:14:52.039 --> 02:14:54.000 you know, I'll leave it there. I'll leave it there. 2391 02:14:54.739 --> 02:14:58.439 But I really think that more. 2392 02:14:58.279 --> 02:15:02.560 People need to go experience the world around them and 2393 02:15:02.640 --> 02:15:07.729 remember why not, you know, a cityscape is, is beautiful, 2394 02:15:08.310 --> 02:15:13.310 but a mountain, a set of mountain range, there's, it 2395 02:15:13.350 --> 02:15:15.609 does something different, right? 2396 02:15:16.470 --> 02:15:17.689 Get out of the ambient light. 2397 02:15:18.609 --> 02:15:21.380 We all have our own things, right? I think each 2398 02:15:21.569 --> 02:15:25.439 individual experience is not shared. 2399 02:15:27.189 --> 02:15:29.449 I fucking love the city. I love the noise. I 2400 02:15:29.489 --> 02:15:34.760 like the hustle and bustle. But I also love retreating 2401 02:15:34.880 --> 02:15:39.840 to the woods and I love going to Maine and 2402 02:15:39.920 --> 02:15:44.000 I like going to Vermont. 2403 02:15:44.340 --> 02:15:45.659 I love experiencing. 2404 02:15:45.680 --> 02:15:50.149 The older I get, the more I appreciate a view. 2405 02:15:50.170 --> 02:15:52.109 I don't know how old you are, but you're going 2406 02:15:52.130 --> 02:15:54.729 to get to a point where you start birdwatching. That's like, 2407 02:15:55.130 --> 02:15:57.890 I've hit that. I've gotten it. 2408 02:15:58.489 --> 02:16:05.039 First off, you don't even know. So I'm 33, by 2409 02:16:05.060 --> 02:16:09.220 the way. I do, I have hit the burn phase already. 2410 02:16:09.819 --> 02:16:14.239 And anyone who's been to the studio knows most likely 2411 02:16:14.920 --> 02:16:20.670 that I am infatuated with fucking burns. I have, man, dude, 2412 02:16:20.710 --> 02:16:24.010 you're just going to set me off with things. I 2413 02:16:24.090 --> 02:16:26.909 am so into birds that I record them in slow motion, 2414 02:16:27.210 --> 02:16:30.189 their calls. And I listen back to their calls in 2415 02:16:30.689 --> 02:16:32.649 like hyper slow motion. 2416 02:16:33.149 --> 02:16:36.709 Dude, there's something there. There's like, it's a, you can. 2417 02:16:36.629 --> 02:16:42.430 Hear the inflections in their calls. And then I have, 2418 02:16:44.170 --> 02:16:48.430 the birds are my pets here. I have, not as 2419 02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:51.799 much as my dog, but every morning, part of. 2420 02:16:51.799 --> 02:16:55.389 Our routine now, is filling the bird feeders. The bird 2421 02:16:55.430 --> 02:16:56.370 feeders are see-through. 2422 02:16:56.389 --> 02:16:59.110 They're attached to my window so that when the birds 2423 02:16:59.170 --> 02:17:00.850 land on it, I can see them and I can 2424

02:17:00.870 --> 02:17:01.579 fucking film them. 2425 02:17:02.239 --> 02:17:04.979 Very cool. I do something similar. I have bird feeders 2426 02:17:05.040 --> 02:17:05.819 outside my house. 2427 02:17:06.360 --> 02:17:08.280 I want to get a bunch more for next season. 2428 02:17:09.040 --> 02:17:10.540 Yeah. 2429 02:17:10.559 --> 02:17:13.959 I have like a bird hotel. 2430 02:17:15.040 --> 02:17:17.069 So I have four feeders that are all next to 2431 02:17:17.120 --> 02:17:19.110 each other on one post and then four feeders that 2432 02:17:19.149 --> 02:17:21.750 are next to each other on another post. And I'm 2433 02:17:21.770 --> 02:17:24.000 in the woods in Pennsylvania, so I have like rabbits 2434 02:17:24.059 --> 02:17:26.079 that I see all the time. We have a hedgehog 2435 02:17:26.120 --> 02:17:28.959 that lives under my shipping container. It's the same hedgehog 2436 02:17:29.000 --> 02:17:29.780 I've had for years. 2437 02:17:30.420 --> 02:17:31.079 My dog. 2438 02:17:31.739 --> 02:17:36.260 I certainly appreciate nature. I really come to respect it 2439 02:17:36.739 --> 02:17:39.170 after all of this journeying, whatever you want to call it, 2440 02:17:39.170 --> 02:17:41.430 whatever this is that got me to this point. 2441 02:17:42.389 --> 02:17:46.270 Yeah. So where can people find that search engine? I 2442 02:17:46.309 --> 02:17:47.450 almost called it a search engine. 2443 02:17:47.489 --> 02:17:49.709 Jesus. In a weird way, it kind of almost is. 2444 02:17:50.020 --> 02:17:53.299 it's just not like clearly it's not an llm and 2445 02:17:53.340 --> 02:17:55.440 it's not google but it is in a way a 2446 02:17:55.479 --> 02:17:59.190 search engine it's matt that's yeah that's where can people 2447 02:17:59.209 --> 02:18:09.170 find that mo ketchup's.com so that's m-o-k-e-t-c-h-u-p-s.com And on the 2448 02:18:09.309 --> 02:18:11.950 site is the map itself. You have the predictions and 2449 02:18:11.969 --> 02:18:15.430 the scorecards, which, again, don't I'm not Oracle. Nobody's an 2450 02:18:15.489 --> 02:18:18.989 Oracle there. No Oracle exists. It's a bunch of like 2451 02:18:19.450 --> 02:18:25.149 predictions that were made using physics and trying to. Again, 2452 02:18:25.170 --> 02:18:27.370 psychohistory is you can predict groups, but if there are 2453 02:18:27.409 --> 02:18:31.309 enough outliers, predictions change. And I'm very, very hopeful that 2454 02:18:31.350 --> 02:18:34.040 those predictions can change if enough of us are loud enough, 2455 02:18:34.079 --> 02:18:36.780 long enough, and get a full understanding of what Gallum 2456 02:18:36.799 --> 02:18:41.059 Theory means. But again, the website, mokechups.com. The articles are there. 2457 02:18:41.079 --> 02:18:43.719 The videos are there. I would suggest for anybody who's 2458 02:18:43.760 --> 02:18:46.030 just starting with this stuff to start with the videos 2459 02:18:46.049 --> 02:18:49.459 and then go to the articles. Everything is free. You 2460 02:18:49.479 --> 02:18:52.920 can also very simply just put like gray aliens or 2461 02:18:52.940 --> 02:18:56.860 Elon Musk into the search engine and it will create 2462 02:18:57.000 --> 02:19:01.219 an entire web of why they matter, the who, what, why, when, how, 2463 02:19:01.579 --> 02:19:04.500 and where, and then everything that connects to them. Or 2464 02:19:04.520 --> 02:19:06.479 at least every piece that I possibly could connect. Again, 2465 02:19:06.540 --> 02:19:08.639 one person, I'm not perfect. So there's going to be mistakes. 2466 02:19:09.260 --> 02:19:13.450 And what I like is that you're pulling primary sources mostly. 2467 02:19:13.489 --> 02:19:17.149 Yeah. I'm trying to connect as many primary sources as 2468 02:19:17.229 --> 02:19:19.469 I can because I just spent an hour and a 2469 02:19:19.510 --> 02:19:21.409 half or two hours, however long we've been on telling 2470 02:19:21.450 --> 02:19:24.670 you that people's words mean jack shit and that you 2471 02:19:24.709 --> 02:19:27.979 should look past them and look into the actual sources 2472 02:19:28.020 --> 02:19:30.100 of what they're talking about. And then even look past 2473 02:19:30.120 --> 02:19:32.719 that and go follow the money and figure out the, again, 2474 02:19:32.739 --> 02:19:35.360 the who, what, where, when, why, and how of all 2475 02:19:35.379 --> 02:19:37.569 of these things. That's what journalism used to be before 2476 02:19:37.579 --> 02:19:39.930 it turned into the salacious bullshit that we have now. 2477 02:19:41.209 --> 02:19:44.549 This bottom feeding journalism where you can essentially make any 2478 02:19:44.629 --> 02:19:47.469 claim without having to have any credible evidence. So I 2479 02:19:47.530 --> 02:19:49.530 tried to create the way in a way that I 2480 02:19:49.549 --> 02:19:53.530 was taught that journalism should be done. And again, I'm 2481 02:19:53.569 --> 02:19:56.329 not a journalism or a journalist. I'm not a researcher. 2482 02:19:56.889 --> 02:19:59.569 I am not a content creator. I am an idiot 2483 02:20:00.049 --> 02:20:03.450 in a boxing garage in his boxing ring in his 2484 02:20:03.469 --> 02:20:06.379 garage who just compiled a bunch of information, has a 2485 02:20:06.420 --> 02:20:10.219 bunch of questions and wants people to journey with me 2486 02:20:10.440 --> 02:20:14.940 on this exploration so we can figure some stuff out. Okay. 2487 02:20:15.260 --> 02:20:20.559 Well, dude, You've been a really, really fun conversation. This 2488 02:20:20.579 --> 02:20:21.940 has really been a good time. 2489 02:20:22.420 --> 02:20:25.579 Again, we don't have to agree on everything for us 2490 02:20:25.600 --> 02:20:29.540 to have civil debate, civil discussion, and be able to 2491 02:20:29.600 --> 02:20:31.700 shake hands at the end of it and go, yeah, man, 2492 02:20:31.819 --> 02:20:34.360 I think, you know, as long as we can look 2493 02:20:34.459 --> 02:20:40.829 at each other and find common ground, that's all that matters. 2494 02:20:41.370 --> 02:20:43.030 I agree. And I thank you so much for having 2495 02:20:43.069 --> 02:20:45.170 me on. And very simply, if anyone really has that 2496 02:20:45.209 --> 02:20:47.909 big of a problem with me too, like sign a waiver. 2497 02:20:48.110 --> 02:20:51.530 I live in Pennsylvania. I got a ring. I got gloves. 2498 02:20:51.950 --> 02:20:56.670 We can throw hands, knees, elbows, feet. I, uh, again, 2499 02:20:56.719 --> 02:20:59.420 I'm a very fun guy to like, I'm not saying you, 2500 02:20:59.459 --> 02:21:01.319 of course, I'm just saying like anybody in your audience, 2501 02:21:01.360 --> 02:21:04.139 like shit. I'm a very fun guy. Yeah. 2502 02:21:04.260 --> 02:21:04.639 Yeah. 2503 02:21:06.549 --> 02:21:10.290 I'll come spar. I'm down for that. You're not too 2504 02:21:10.309 --> 02:21:11.170 far away either. 2505 02:21:11.229 --> 02:21:13.770 So open invite, man. I'd love to do this again. 2506 02:21:13.809 --> 02:21:16.969 So whenever we'll figure it out off there. Yeah. Yeah. 2507 02:21:17.389 --> 02:21:17.950 All right. 2508 02:21:18.049 --> 02:21:22.090 Everyone else might be listening in the future or join 2509 02:21:22.149 --> 02:21:25.639 us with that impromptu. I wasn't able to promote it much. 2510 02:21:26.219 --> 02:21:27.280 I didn't even know if I was going to do 2511 02:21:27.319 --> 02:21:30.120 this episode live because I had so much editing to 2512 02:21:30.139 --> 02:21:34.760 do from the Austin thing. I was like, I can't 2513 02:21:34.799 --> 02:21:37.899 possibly add another edit to it. So I had to go, 2514 02:21:37.920 --> 02:21:41.399 I had to do this live. But I think that is, 2515 02:21:42.059 --> 02:21:44.579 it's always a fun medium as well to be able 2516 02:21:44.649 --> 02:21:47.969 to engage with people in real time, especially in a 2517 02:21:48.010 --> 02:21:51.409 conversation like this, which is our early time. 2518 02:21:51.549 --> 02:21:56.489 So thank you so much, everybody. Stay humble, stay kind, and. 2519 02:21:56.409 --> 02:22:01.129 Most importantly, stay vigilant. Well, I don't, oh my gosh. 2520 02:22:02.409 --> 02:22:04.719 I said, I almost said, we probably will see you 2521 02:22:04.780 --> 02:22:10.790 next time. We will see you next time. Make sure 2522 02:22:10.809 --> 02:22:15.290 to like, share and subscribe. Oh, this has been a 2523 02:22:15.309 --> 02:22:15.649 good time. 2524 02:22:15.850 --> 02:22:17.079 Have a good one, guys. See you next.