บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Rob McConnell Interviews - DEBORAH MOFFITT - A Deadly Haunting

moved the last day we were down there, 72 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:52.319 he changed from this being that would would actually perform 73 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.439 tricks for you, like you go into a room and say, 74 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.319 if you're here, move something, and you would move furniture 75 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:59.680 from one room to the next when you turned your 76 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:03.480 back to a being that when we were leaving, ripped 77 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:05.920 off all the cupboards in the kitchen and blew out 78 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.879 all the windows in the bedroom the last day we 79 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.560 were there, so it turned from, like I said, from 80 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:14.000 someone who was entertaining to then threatening. 81 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:17.519 You know, we've got about a minute before I have 82 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:19.360 to take my first break. How old were you when 83 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:20.199 all this started? 84 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:25.120 I was about thirty, my goodness, And how did your hand? 85 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.800 Up until that point never really had anything to do 86 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:32.560 with the paranormal other than enjoying monster movies and supernatural books, sure, 87 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.360 other than which I believed the time were make believe, 88 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.800 But little did I know they weren't so up until 89 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:40.959 that time. This was the first experience I ever had 90 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:42.360 with paranormal. 91 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.040 All right, please stand by Deborah. Great having you with 92 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:49.120 us again. Congratulations on your new book. Yes, this hour 93 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:56.040 is Deborah Moffatt and two websites Www dot Adeadly Haunting 94 00:05:56.199 --> 00:06:02.040 dot com and www dot Unwell welcomed the book dot com. 95 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:07.879 Deborah Moffatt tells us more about this real, surreal haunting 96 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:10.639 that she was part of for six years. When we 97 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.079 return here in the X one from our broadcast center 98 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:15.560 in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Don't go away. 99 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:50.079 The Gay Orangeships Ships the Morning Some Shavin Burley. 100 00:06:49.600 --> 00:07:03.879 Are the good. 101 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.120 Saving the brig. 102 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:03.720 The Goose to the game. 103 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.519 Welcome back to we won. Deborah Moffett is our special guest. Www. 104 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:13.959 Dot a Deadly Haunting dot com and www dot and 105 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:18.079 welcome to the book dot com. You know you were 106 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:22.040 telling us before the Breakdebraah, about how mister energy would 107 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.040 you know, would do tricks, basically do parlor tricks, but 108 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:27.519 when he found it, you were leaving all hell broke loose. 109 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:31.079 Why do you think that that things switched when you 110 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:32.720 and your family were leaving. 111 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.759 Well, I think because he thought he had us down there, 112 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:38.879 he was living with us. It was like he had 113 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.360 we were under his control and starting to get under 114 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.720 his control. And then we were leaving to a new address, 115 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:50.040 and he felt like we were escaping. That's all I 116 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:51.839 felt like, that's what he thought, maybe that we were 117 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:56.560 escaping from him. Unfortunately it didn't last because we moved up. 118 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:58.920 We moved about six miles away up on the hill, 119 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:04.480 and within three weeks mister entity started doing things in 120 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:06.720 the new house. So we couldn't get away from him. 121 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.839 It's not like we could move where we went he went. 122 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:12.279 I'd like to go back in time a little bit, 123 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:15.040 and how did mister entity present himself to you and 124 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:17.920 your family? What was the catalyst that brought him forward? 125 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:22.959 The cat like I said, she this laid this housekeeper 126 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:25.399 allowed him to come through open some type of portal. 127 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.079 But the story, now, one thing you have to understand. 128 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:32.200 If mister Entity had the ability to communicate with us 129 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.120 on a mirror on the mirrors in the house, he 130 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:38.240 especially used the bathroom mirror. That's where he communicated. He 131 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.840 would use soap, and he would write on the mirror. 132 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:44.559 He would never do it in front of you. You 133 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:46.759 couldn't stand there and he do it. You had to 134 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.080 leave the bathroom or turn your back and he would write. 135 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:51.039 So he would. 136 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:55.679 The story he told me why he was with our 137 00:08:55.759 --> 00:09:00.000 family was that centuries ago, like in the sixteen hundred, 138 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.480 he had control of a monastery. Some of the monks 139 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:07.039 in the monastery, and they promised him a blood sacrifice, 140 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.759 a sacrifice, and my mother in law was the person 141 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:16.360 that they were sacrificing, and they promised her to him. Fortunately, 142 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:21.360 somehow it didn't come to fouition. She escaped and

wasn't sacrificed. 143 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:24.440 But he said that didn't matter. He had she had 144 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.320 been promised to him, and she belonged to him. 145 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:29.399 Another lector. 146 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.159 So this was in another lifetime of your mother in law's. 147 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:35.120 This was in a different lifetime. But he said he 148 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:36.720 found her and now he came to claim her. 149 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.600 So when mister Andedy would write something on the mirrors, 150 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.240 how was his penmanship. 151 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:45.399 You know, it was two different ways. 152 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:47.600 That's why I really don't know if there were other 153 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:51.279 more than one thing in the house. Sometimes he would write, 154 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.960 sometimes he would print he was always extremely intelligent. 155 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:57.039 He could, he would. 156 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:59.440 My mother in law was a very intelligent woman also, 157 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:03.639 she's spoke four different languages. She spoke Spanish, Italian, a 158 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:08.240 very old dialect that's Albanian called Toubresch, and English. Well, 159 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.519 sometimes she would because mister Entity would listen constantly to 160 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.440 what we said and commented on the mirror. Well, my 161 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:16.639 mother in law said she was tired of that, so 162 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.960 she started talking to my husband, who spoke tubresh also, 163 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.559 and she thought that he wouldn't be able to understand her. Well, 164 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.440 mister Entity responded on the mirror in teubresh and answered her. 165 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.399 So she tried different languages. So he spoke any language. 166 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.519 He spoke all different languages. So he was a very 167 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:36.559 intelligent being. 168 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.120 So the only place that he would write these messages 169 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:41.879 was in the washroom on the washroom mirror. 170 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:46.279 No bathroom mirror, gathmer. It started upstairs my mother and 171 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.440 father in law. This was we moved to a very 172 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.240 large house and their their suite was upstairs with a 173 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.480 bathroom in and a big room upstairs. We had the 174 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:59.639 downstairs master sweet Well, when mister Entity came to this house, 175 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.399 he went upstairs there to my mother in law's, and 176 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:06.360 that's where he first started writing, was on the upstairs 177 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:10.559 bathroom mirror. It got so dangerous upstairs for my mother

178 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:14.039 in law. He liked to He constantly tormented her and 179 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.519 tried to injure her. Wow, not that he would like 180 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:18.679 take the knife and hurt her, but he would put 181 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.080 knives in different locations so that if she sat, or 182 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.960 if she laid down or moved quickly, she would hurt 183 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:31.279 herself knives all over. So then he started. They woke 184 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.080 up one morning in their bed had been sliced, the 185 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.840 pieces under them. So it got to the point they 186 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:38.840 weren't safe upstairs. So we all moved in together in 187 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:42.159 the master suite downstairs. So that's where for six years, 188 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:43.360 that's where we all lived together. 189 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.600 But if you were under this torment, why did you 190 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:47.799 stay there for six years? 191 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:51.000 Because no matter where we went, he went with us. 192 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:52.840 He already moved once with. 193 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:54.240 Us from the other house. 194 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:57.000 If we even went out to dinner, like we'd well 195 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.919 out to dinner, we'd come home and the waitresses named 196 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.879 would be on the kitchen table, or something from the 197 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.919 restaurant would be on the table, showing us that where 198 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.759 we went he went we couldn't. I mean, it wasn't 199 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.440 like we could just move away and he wouldn't follow us. 200 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.399 He was attached to my mother in law. 201 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:21.039 Now, Jez, are's so many questions I'd like to ask you. 202 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.519 I guess my next question is, were there any reports 203 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:30.519 made to professionals, law enforcement, doctors, law. 204 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:33.360 We ran the gauntlet. We didn't. 205 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:38.080 We personally didn't contact the police. The police contacted us. 206 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:42.240 My mother in law was during this time. She was 207 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:45.759 so afraid that people would think we were crazy trying 208 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:47.840 to tell them what was going on. So she said, 209 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:50.279 we're not going to tell anybody. It'll go away, you know, 210 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.440 we'll pray it'll go away. It didn't, but she wouldn't 211 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:55.879 let us tell anyone. She thought they'd think we were crazier, 212 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.120 making it up. And I could understand in a way 213 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:00.559 because at that time, it's not like it is now 214 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.840 with all the programs and the better understanding of the paranormal. 215 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:06.279 Back then, if these things went on, people did think 216 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:08.600 you were strange. But we still had to have help. 217 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.279 For one of the first things we did, we went 218 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.000 to a psychologist and we explained what was going on, 219 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:17.240 and he talked to each of us in the family, 220 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:19.960 and then he advised that we contact some type of 221 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.919 paranormal group. He said he couldn't help us. So then 222 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:27.519 we contacted the usc doctor Thelma Mos She was ill 223 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.919 at the time. I believe she sent out an investigator 224 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:33.879 named Terry Gaynor. They couldn't help us. We went through 225 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:35.919 so many different things. We tried the church. 226 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:37.320 What did the church say. 227 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:42.440 My mother in law was Catholic, very Catholic, but since 228 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:44.919 when her mother died, she kind of stopped going to church, 229 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:47.840 so she wasn't really affiliated with any church that she 230 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:51.879 had got real tongue contact with. But we contacted a 231 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:55.600 local church, said we just moved in the house. We 232 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:58.279 didn't explain what was happening. We said, would he come 233 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:00.720 up and bless the house, as we thought when he 234 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:02.559 came up to the house, and we'd sit him down 235 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:06.399 and explain what was going on. He came to the house, 236 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:10.559 he walked in the foyer, he got this really look 237 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.279 on his face like he just really frightened, took out 238 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.480 holy water, made a big cross and the sign of 239 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.519 the cross in the hall and saidus, all right, your 240 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:19.200 house is blessed. 241 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:19.759 I have to go. 242 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.720 And I remember my mother in law grabbed him by 243 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:24.960 the army said please, no, don't go. You have to 244 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.399 listen to us, please, we have to tell what's going on. 245 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.200 And she started to tell him what was going on. 246 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.120 And he turned to me and said, oh, ladies, at 247 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.360 this age go a little crazy. And he ran out 248 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:35.480 the door and into the car. 249 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:37.600 That was the end. 250 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.279 On real You go to the church for help and 251 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:43.000

they run. 252 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:47.480 Like hell right, and he just never no, so no help. 253 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:51.279 In that avenue we had the Warrens, Ed and Lorraine 254 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:55.480 Warren came out. Yeah, they tried to help us. This 255 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:59.879 was one thing that happened when he was they were here, Ed, Lorraine, 256 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:01.559 we we were all sitting around in the living room 257 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:03.480 because they were going to he was going to perform 258 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.879 the rite of provocation. He told me that would make 259 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:10.559 it show itself. My father and I, father in law 260 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:13.600 and I were sitting on the couch. My husband and 261 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:17.039 they were sitting on a different couch, and Ed started 262 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.480 to sing the prayer and my father in law next 263 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.039 to me started to change. No, I don't mean change 264 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:28.480 into something different, but his mannerism started changing. He just 265 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:29.919 you looked at him and you can see it was 266 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.679 like a different person. He kind of his back kind 267 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:37.039 of slouched forward. He took his one arm and curled it. 268 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:38.240 Up to his chest. 269 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:40.879 He got up and he was stooped over, and he 270 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.600 started walking towards Ed, dragging his leg. 271 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:44.399 Oh my god. 272 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.039 And he said in a voice that wasn't it was 273 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.679 my father in law's voice, but it was changed, but 274 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:52.240 you know, you could tell it was to my father 275 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.960 in law's voice, but it was different. And he went 276 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:57.440 right up dead Warren, right straight face to face and 277 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:59.720 said and looked at him, and Ed ed that kind 278 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:02.720 of and Ed grabbed this. He had a piece of 279 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.200 cross he said was from the cross. He said it 280 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:07.960 was a holy relic and it protected him. And he 281 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:09.600 took it and put it in my father in law's 282 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.840 face and said, I have this and you. 283 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:12.480 Can't harm me. 284 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.080 And I remember my father in law looked at him 285 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:17.440 and said, I'm going to bite your hand off and 286 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.600 show your hand in that cross and spit it in 287 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:25.600 your face. And then he slowly turned around and dragged 288 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:28.159 his leg and walked back to the couch. And then 289 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:30.480 he just kind of collapsed and went back to dead. 290 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.960 So for six years, you were terrorized, basically, and nobody 291 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:39.200 could do anything about. 292 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:42.600 It we had. It's not from our want of trying. 293 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:45.960 We tried everything we went to. It got to a 294 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.200 point where there was even no one to try. We 295 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:50.519 would go to psychic fairs asking people if they no 296 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.679 people to get rid of this. We had wickens come 297 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:58.480 to the house, magicians, we had all kinds of people 298 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:01.639 try to get rid of it. Couldn't go, it wouldn't go. 299 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.119 We had one lady that came. Her name was doctor 300 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:07.559 Evelyn PAGLINI you probably, I don't know if you'll know her, 301 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:08.279 but she do. 302 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.759 Yeah. She originally helped start. 303 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.400 The Church of Satan in Chicago with Antony LeVay, and 304 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.920 they kind of she explained the whole thing was and 305 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.519 she kind of changed and had a different philosophy in life. 306 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:25.920 She came to try to help us. Mister Entity hated her. 307 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.680 He would say terrible things about her on the mirror, 308 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:29.960 but she tried to. 309 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:32.599 Get rid of them. She couldn't get rid of them, and. 310 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.000 She advised us. She here's what she told us to do. 311 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:39.799 She said, I suggest to save your mother in law's life, 312 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:44.079 you take one room upstairs and you dedicate it to 313 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:48.799 miss this. She called it a deity or she thought 314 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.279 it was one of the seven Princes of Hell. That's 315 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.759 who she thought it was. She said, it's too powerful. 316 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:55.880 I can't get rid of it. She said, I don't 317 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:57.000 know if you're ever going to be able to get 318 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:00.319 rid of it. So she said, dedicate a room to him, 319 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.359 pay him homage, and he may actually help your family. 320 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.279 I remember we all got them to said no, we're 321 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:10.640 not going to pay homage to a demon or whatever 322 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.680 he is, because we never really know what he was. 323 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:15.480 I don't know, I said, but we're not paying homage 324 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:16.400 to anything. 325 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:18.559 And if you pay homage to him, it just gets 326 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:19.680 him that much more

strength. 327 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:23.640 Yeah, well, we weren't going to so she said, well 328 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.000 I can't help you. So she couldn't. She couldn't do anything. 329 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:29.759 Then a very strange thing happened, like two or three 330 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:33.119 days after she came. We were all living in the 331 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.640 back bedroom. My mother and father in law were in 332 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:37.279 one bed, my husband and I were in another bed 333 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:39.039 on the other part of the room, and my father 334 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:40.759 in law, like three o'clock in the morning jumped out 335 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.759 of bed, and I remember we ran over and he 336 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:46.880 pulled up from the covers a it would look like 337 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.680 a spearhead like the top of a spear, and it's 338 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:55.480 all hand forged. It's like gray. It has some designs 339 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.079 on it. And I went to the bathroom in the 340 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:01.680 hall to talk to today because as soon as I 341 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:03.359 saw that, I took I took. 342 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:04.559 It and I said, this is now mine. 343 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.799 Because if I took possession of anything, mister entity wouldn't 344 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.640 touch it. He just wouldn't touch my things. So I 345 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:12.519 went to the bathroom. I said, this is now mine, 346 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.440 mister entity, And what do you want? What is why 347 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.000 did you bring this? He said, I want a blood sacrifice, 348 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:20.759 and he wrote on the mirror step by step how 349 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:24.039 he wanted this blood sacrifice to happen. He wanted my 350 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:26.279 father in law to use the spear on my mother 351 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:26.680 in law. 352 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:29.680 Listen, did you take any photographs of the writing of 353 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:30.559 these messages? 354 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:34.680 I have like over three hundred photographs. These are like 355 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.559 from from like twenty five twenty seven years ago. 356 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:39.519 So some of the photographs. 357 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:41.880 Aren't great because it wasn't like the digital cameras now 358 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:43.559 where you take a picture and you look and say, oh, 359 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:45.960 that's not good, I better take another one. You just 360 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.119 took a picture and hope when it developed. 361 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:50.839 You exactly exactly Yeah. 362 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:53.079 They even have the dates on them. Then I have 363 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.160 the Deborah the negatives. 364 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.319 So Deborah, we've got to take

our break here for 365 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.720 the news. Please stand by exhonation. Deborah Moffatt is our 366 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:04.759 special guest, and Deborah and I will be back on 367 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:06.759 the other side of this break as we continue here 368 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.880 in the X Zone from our broadcast center in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. 369 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.119 My name is Rob McConnell. Don't go away. 370 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:43.759 Oh. 371 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:46.720 The Devil went down to Georgia. 372 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:48.480 He was looking for a soul of steel. 373 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:50.440 He was in a bank because he was way behind, 374 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:52.440 and he was willing to make a deal when he 375 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:54.640 came across this young man sewing on a fiddle and 376 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:56.839 playing it hot. And the devil jumped up on a 377 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.400 hicker's dump said, boy, let me tell you what I 378 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:01.599 get here. I didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle 379 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:04.519 player too, and if you'd care to take a dare, 380 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:08.000 I'll make a bet with you. Now you've played pretty good, fiddle, boy, 381 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:10.440 but give the devil his due. I've bet a fiddle 382 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.559 of gold against your soul, because I think i'm better 383 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:12.920 to you. 384 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.640 The boy said, my name's Johnny, and it might be explanation. 385 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:19.440 Deborah Moffett is our special guest. We're talking to Deborah 386 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.839 tonight about her two books that are right, two hair 387 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:26.680 rising books, I might add a Deadly Haunting. Her website 388 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.720 is www dot at deadly haunting dot com and unwelcome 389 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:36.519 to the book at www dot unwelcomed to the book, Deborah, 390 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:38.920 were there any children in the house at the time 391 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:41.160 when mister Njedy was Terrorrin. 392 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.000 Yes, my son was like six months old when we 393 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.880 moved up to the new house. And then in ninety 394 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.359 my twins were born, and a matter of fact, mister 395 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:55.119 Entity told me I was having twins before the doctor did. 396 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:58.400 What was his relationship with her children? 397 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:03.880 None? We had someone was with my children twenty four 398 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:05.960 hours a day. They were never out of anyone's sight. 399 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:08.480 You just I. 400 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:10.200 Couldn't put them in one room and leave. They had 401 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:15.160 had to be completely watched. So mister Entity didn't touch 402 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.039 the children. He told me after one time when he 403 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.039 went after my mother in law and grabbed her by 404 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:22.640 the throat. Now you know, it's very strange because this 405 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.759 was an entity that had such powers that was he 406 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:28.960 would take the truck we had. My father in law 407 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:32.240 had a truck and he would pick it up wock, 408 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:34.119 not running and put it in the middle of the road. 409 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.160 He could had the power to do that. He would 410 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.440 apport things from house to house. From a store, he 411 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:44.480 would apport things to our house. He could apport things. 412 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:47.920 He had enormous strength. He would make the house tremble. 413 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:50.200 He blow out all the windows when he got mad 414 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:53.839 in the upstairs. So he had enormous strength. So if 415 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:57.759 he really wanted, if he had the ability to kill 416 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:00.240 my mother in law, who we wanted dead, he would 417 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.079 have killed her any time. But I don't think they have. 418 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.359 They're not allowed to because he wanted her to even 419 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.720 to commit suicide or have my father in law killer 420 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.519 where he could have killed her any time he really wanted. 421 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:13.240 To, but he couldn't. 422 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:16.680 So he one time he did grab her by the 423 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:19.240 throat and scared her half to death. And I went 424 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:21.839 into the to the bathroom, and this is when things 425 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:24.559 start actually started to change a little bit, and I 426 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:28.039 told him he was never to do that again, and 427 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:30.240 that I would treat him with respect, and he would 428 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.359 treat me with respect. He wouldn't touch my child, he 429 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.079 wouldn't touch my husband, and he wouldn't touch Lee. That's 430 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:40.079 when he told me Lee belongs to me. But he 431 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:43.960 never bothered my husband. He never touched the children. He 432 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.160 just concentrated on Lee. 433 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:51.039 And that's your mother in law, right right? Did you 434 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:56.680 prior to you living in the house, either house where 435 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.559 is there any any paranormal activity that had and reported 436 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:01.319 or talked about? 437 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:03.240 Not that I know of. 438 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:05.359 There was just one

family that owned this house before 439 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.720 we did, and they were a nice couple enough, and 440 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.200 nothing that I know ever happened, just like down at 441 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:13.880 the other house that we lived in, where mister Nity 442 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:19.680 was before. Right, No, so no, mister started when mister Entity. 443 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:23.640 Came after you left that house and mister Andity followed 444 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.640 you to your other house, was there any was there any? 445 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:30.960 Was there any paranormal activity that was reported by the 446 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:32.480 new tenants or the new owners? 447 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:35.640 The new owners tore all the houses down. There was 448 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.920 three houses. We owned three houses. It was my husband's house, 449 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.000 my mother and father in law's house which we lived in, 450 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:43.400 and we rented out the other two and their grandma, 451 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:46.200 their mother's house. So we rented out the two houses 452 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.160 and then when we sold, we sold everything, the whole 453 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.839 three houses and all the property and they tore down 454 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:55.720 the houses. And this is in a very prime location. 455 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.519 This is right right on Archibald Avenue, which is a 456 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.640 very you know, it's a thoroughly with a lot of 457 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:04.319 things on it. And you know, to this day that 458 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:09.559 land stands vacant. It's completely vacant with all dead weeds 459 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:12.960 and things on it for thirty years. For a long 460 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:16.079 time they had big signs for sale, so many acres. 461 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.000 But now they don't even put signs up. 462 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:19.039 Why not. 463 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:23.039 Don't I really don't know. But for thirty years in 464 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.920 this prime location, no one has built anything on it 465 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.960 or I don't know. No, it's just barren, empty lots. 466 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:32.359 Why did it take you so long to write your book? 467 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.680 Because we had when the people came, we had so 468 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.640 many different people came. One would come, they would say, listen, 469 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.920 document everything that's going on in your house. Take pictures. 470 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.799 So we document everything. We'd take pictures. They couldn't help us. 471 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:49.640 So the next person would come and they would say, 472 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.640 now get rid of all these pictures and stop paying 473 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.519 attention to this. You're making it stay. So we'd throw 474 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:57.960 away all the pictures. We throw away all the documentation. 475 00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:00.759 It was like a rollercoaster, say to do it, the 476 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.200 next one say to not to do it. Luckily, my 477 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.480 husband he would take some of the pictures and he 478 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:08.240 threw them in a box. He didn't save them all, 479 00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.839 because we must took a thousand pictures, but he did 480 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.960 save like three hundred pictures. But he takes them and 481 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:14.319 throw them in the box and then we throw the 482 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:18.000 rest of them away. So that my husband, we decided 483 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.599 when this left, we made a pack, the three of 484 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.160 us we would never talk about mister entity again because 485 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.079 everybody had told us, if you talk about it, you're 486 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.160 going to bring it back. We never even talked about 487 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:34.559 it among ourselves. We just let it go when my father, 488 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:37.119 when my mother in law died, she died in twenty ten, 489 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:39.640 and my husband said, you know, we really should write 490 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.799 a book about this and let people know what happened. Well, 491 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:44.640 he was always had that in his mind, but he 492 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.200 died in twenty twelve. And in twenty twelve, I was 493 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:50.480 cleaning out the closet and I found the box with 494 00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:54.119 all the pictures. And when I found the box, I 495 00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:57.319 had never even told my children what had happened. So 496 00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.440 when I found the box of pictures, my daughter was 497 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:01.519 with me, and she said, what is this? So I 498 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.160 had explained. We I sat every pretty town and I 499 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:07.319 explained the whole thing to him, and then I got thinking, 500 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:09.680 you know, this is the time I really would like 501 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:12.200 to tell people what happened, because it was the most 502 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:17.359 amazing thing. This entity was amazing. He was evil, he 503 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:22.160 was ancient, he was intelligent, but he was amazing. And 504 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.799 to be able to see things be apported to talk 505 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:28.759 to something that you can't see on a mirror. He 506 00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:32.759 used to tell me things about the past, different historical people. 507 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:33.160 That he had known. 508 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.400 He told me things about the future, the presence that 509

00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:37.960 we were living in. He would tell me when someone 510 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:39.519 was coming to the door, who was going to be. 511 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.559 He told me amazing things. But here's how it started. 512 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.240 I noticed that if he destroyed literally destroyed our house, 513 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:52.359 it was the everyday battle to patch walls, to fix rugs. 514 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.599 Because he had this one sign that was his sign. 515 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:58.240 It was like a triangle, and then at the bottom 516 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.920 of the triangle there was a swirly tale. Now I 517 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.440 don't know if that's his sign or what the sign means, 518 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.359 but he put that sign everywhere, and then he had 519 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:09.720 other kinds of signs squiggly lines, all different kinds of 520 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.720 different looked like magical symbols, and he put them everywhere 521 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.720 in the house. Well, I noticed that if I talked 522 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:19.079 to him on the mirror, he would stop destroying things 523 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.640 as much, and he'd leave my mother in law alone 524 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.920 because he made her life miserable. He would cut up 525 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:27.200 her clothes. She couldn't have money on her, he would, 526 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:28.799 I mean, she'd be sitting in a chair and if 527 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:30.559 she was alone, all of a sudden, you could see 528 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.680 a potato come across, a raw potato come across the 529 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.799 room and hit her in the head. It was a 530 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:39.519 constant torment. So I found that if I communicated with 531 00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:42.000 him on the mirror, and I made him talk a lot, 532 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.279 he would use his energy to communicate because he loved 533 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.960 to talk, and he would communicate, and when he'd communicated, 534 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:51.720 the destruction in the house slowed down. My mother in 535 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.680 law wasn't affected as much. So I just talked to him, 536 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.559 and it wasn't talking a little bit. Mister Entity talked 537 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.079 and did things, the strange things he did morning, noon 538 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:03.599 and night. It didn't have to be a night when 539 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.680 he did things. And we would talk all the time, 540 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.039 and if I kept him talking. The destruction calmed down. 541 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.680 So your mother in law passed away, your father in 542 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.000 law passed away, and your husband's passed away. 543 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:18.359 Am I correct right? 544 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.480 And mister Nity is no longer in the picture. 545 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.480 Mister Entity said goodbye in the night early nineteen nineties. 546 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.000 He said goodbye my family, and he left. I told 547 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:35.000 him he couldn't come back. He had to leave, and 548 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.279 he didn't want to go. This is what was so strange. 549 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.599 You know, you hear about demons, and you see these 550 00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:44.119 movies with demons in there are these crazy, horrible things 551 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.519 like that, they won't have any type of intelligence. But 552 00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:48.920 here was an entity. There was a gentleman who was 553 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.400 a researcher who came to our house and he was 554 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.240 kind of down and out, and he was kind of miserable, 555 00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:58.000 and he saw the power that mister entity had. And 556 00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:01.240 he also heard that doctor mcgleeney said, if you pay 557 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:04.559 this demon what she thought was a demon homage, he'll 558 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.799 do good things for you. So he got it in 559 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:08.720 his head that he was going to ask this demon 560 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.799 to leave with him and come and help him in 561 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.000 his life. I told him, it's just, you know, I mean, 562 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.759 that's up to you, but it's a stupid thing to do. 563 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.000 He's not going to help you because he hated the 564 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.799 guy to begin with. He would do terrible things to 565 00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:25.039 the gentleman when he was here. And so this person 566 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.720 went in and talked to the mirror and told him 567 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.759 he could come with him. Wanted him to come with him. 568 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.000 So the next day I went in to mister Entity 569 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.799 and I said, mister Nnedy, it's time for you to 570 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.599 leave now. This gentleman asked you to go with him. 571 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.319 You have a place to go, you have to go. 572 00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.559 And he said, I don't want to go. I want 573 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.640 to stay here. I said, no, you have to go 574 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.559 go with Gary. Why don't you want to go with Gary? 575 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:50.839 And he listed, he said Gary has no integrity, he 576 00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:54.839 has no honor. He's an empty vessel. And I think 577 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.880 about things like that, and I think, why would a 578 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.200 demon care if someone was an empty vessel and had 579 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.119 no integrity. So there's so many strange things about mister 580 00:31:03.279 -->

00:31:05.960 Entity that I probably never really understand. 581 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:10.720 Strange, very strange. 582 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:10.799 What. 583 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.559 You know, what I'm having a bit of a problem. 584 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:20.359 With with the with the book that has been is 585 00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:22.839 you know, the books have been written after the entity 586 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.519 has departed, and so have the other three witnesses. 587 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.799 So how do you deal with skepticism when somebody says, 588 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:31.119 how can you collaborate your story? 589 00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:32.200 You know what? 590 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:36.640 I had a gentleman coming research it, and we had 591 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.000 people that came to the house. We had Brian Hurst, 592 00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:41.599 he's still alive. The gentleman went and talked to Brian. 593 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.960 All different people, researchers that came to the house. People 594 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.039 can still contact and they'll tell you what happened. 595 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:52.759 But did they did these researchers actually see any activity 596 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:53.640 or any action? 597 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:53.960 You know? 598 00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.240 Do you know a couple of the women did. I 599 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.039 don't even remember who their names were, because mister Entity 600 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:00.799 was having when they came, and he did all kinds 601 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.680 of things to scare them. But actually, mister Entity, when 602 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:04.240 people came, he. 603 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:05.599 Would kind of back off a little. 604 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.880 He would just kind of quietly watch them. But Gary, 605 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:15.759 who's still alive, unfortunately he's not quite right. He witnessed 606 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.599 it all. He witnessed the writing, He witnessed everything. Mister 607 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.000 Entity used to attack him. He used to cut up 608 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:21.640 his clothes. 609 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:22.359 Onetime. 610 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.839 Gary sitting at the kitchen table and we heard like 611 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.359 scissors cutting and Gary reached up to his hair and 612 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.559 mister Entity was cutting his hair, and all his hair 613 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.000 from the back of his head was cut off and 614 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:32.640 on the ground. 615 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:37.759 With all the pictures you've taken, are any of the 616 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.440 pictures of the entity or having these scissors being. 617 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.839 I I'm trying to think I have one picture I caught, 618 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:48.279 because usually things happened when you weren't right there. I

619 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.759 do have one picture where I caught the bed twirling 620 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.519 in the air when I came into the room, I 621 00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:56.680 caught that on camera. 622 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:00.480 Other than that, one. 623 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.599 Thing that is very, very strange that I didn't even 624 00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:08.240 realize until I was looking through the pictures. Mister Entity 625 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.799 wrote after they moved from upstairs downstairs, he always wrote 626 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:15.440 in the bathroom mirror, and in this one picture, when 627 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.200 I went to look at the mirror, I would always 628 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.599 look at the writing, because that's what you wanted to know, 629 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.160 what he said. And I looked at this one picture, 630 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.279 and you can actually see the reflection of our kitchen 631 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:32.119 instead of the bathroom in the mirror. That is that's 632 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.880 amazing because here it is the bathroom mirror and you 633 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.559 can see the writing on the mirror, but you're seeing 634 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.799 the kitchen in the reflection. It's just I can't even 635 00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:41.799 explain that. 636 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.440 You and I have to take our final break. Please 637 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.799 stand by explanation, Debbie. Deborah Moffett is our special guest 638 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.359 A Deadly Haunting dot Com and Unwelcomed the Book dot Com, 639 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:55.119 and we'll both be back on the other side of 640 00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.880 this break as we wrap up this hour hear in 641 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.359 the X zone from our broadcast center and Moulton, Ontario, Canada. 642 00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:02.119 Don't go away. 643 00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.039 Through early horny fog. 644 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:07.119 I see. 645 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.400 Visions of the things to be, the pains that are 646 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:20.440 with health for me, I realize, and I can't see. 647 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.159 That suitside is painless. 648 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.360 It brings on many change. 649 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:44.000 You know that it would be untrue. You know that 650 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:49.440 I would be unlive if I was to say to him. 651 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:51.239 Go. 652 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.039 We couldn't get much. 653 00:34:52.920 --> 00:35:00.840 Higher explanation that be Deborah Moffatta our special guests at 654 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:05.559 this hour Www dot a Deadly Haunting dot com and 655 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:13.000 www Dot Unwelcomed the Book dot Com. How do you 656 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:18.559 deal with skepticism because there seems to be a few 657 00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.840 open edges here, For example, the fact that the book 658 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:26.639 has only been written after the participants besides yourself, who 659 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:30.920 can who can validate the claims are dead. There's only 660 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.039 one other person who has actually seen any of the 661 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:40.519 paranormal activity, and he is not well. To put it nicely, 662 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:45.360 paranormal researchers have gone there and not one paranormal research 663 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.559 has seen this anthy I. 664 00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:49.920 Ticked that back the word two. That came two Native 665 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:53.760 American Indians from Los Angeles game and they did see. 666 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.639 This is the time mister entity showed itself in the 667 00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.519 attic they went in. 668 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:00.719 I was with that. 669 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.840 They he had like a sage. He did some kind 670 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.400 of chanting. He said, we're going to force him to 671 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.800 show himself, and that's when it took the pink insallation 672 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.760 on the walls and formed into a big head with 673 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.840 the horn on the side. They were there, they saw that. 674 00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.440 And did anybody take a picture of that? 675 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.559 No, they were there, they were doing their ritual. We 676 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:27.960 were more. 677 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:30.880 The most important thing was for us was to get 678 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:33.400 rid of it. You know, we just wanted it to go. 679 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:37.800 And you know, I can understand if people don't believe it, 680 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.199 because the truth is, if somebody told me this story 681 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.800 and I didn't love it, I'd be skeptic too. 682 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:45.199 But I lived it. I know what happened. 683 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.079 I mean fact, when I talked about this to my children, 684 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.320 I said, should I tell people everything that happened? I said, 685 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:55.079 because so much happened? Should I tell it? And all 686 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.440 are just kind of just tell a few things. They said, 687 00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.760 just tell it the truth, tell it the way it is, 688 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.199 and I just that's all I do. I just tell 689 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:03.039 you what I lived. 690 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:07.199 Why did you write your book? 691 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:09.159 I wrote it? 692 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:11.840 It was I think I was even very excited to 693 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.639 write it because it had been hidden for so long. 694 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:18.599 I had been I found this fascinating as well as terrifying, 695

00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.760 and I just wanted to tell people about this, and 696 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.440 to finally get the opportunity to tell after I found 697 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:26.880 the pictures, to show the pictures too, to tell the 698 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.800 story was it was just like a release. It was 699 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.920 like I wanted to just grab people. And they said, 700 00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.519 now you got to hear what happened, because it was 701 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.239 just so long that I couldn't tell anybody. 702 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.400 You couldn't or you didn't want to. There's a big 703 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:40.159 difference there. 704 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.039 Well, let's say no, I couldn't. Well, my mother in 705 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.760 law was alive. I couldn't work for one reason. How 706 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.119 was I to know that by really talking about this. 707 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.320 We have gone through hell? How did I know? I 708 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.360 couldn't say for sure that us talking about it and 709 00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:58.239 generating it at the time because she was alive, that 710 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.519 it wouldn't bring it back to her and harm her. 711 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.360 But let me ask you this. You may not have 712 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.679 talked about it, but didn't you bring paranormal investigators into 713 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.480 the house to try and try and exercise that. 714 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.159 When the stranity left, we stopped talking about it, but 715 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.280 he left once. Once the stranity left, we completely stopped 716 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:17.000 talking about it. 717 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.639 But the damage had been done? Why not come back then? 718 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.199 We just we just stopped and we just stopped talking 719 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:26.840 about it. We didn't let anybody know what happened after 720 00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.519 other than the investigators, and it went away, never came back. 721 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.599 But we couldn't talk about it because my mother in 722 00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.719 law was sure that if we brought it up and 723 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:37.679 talked about it, it would come back and get her. 724 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.639 So we just didn't talk about it. 725 00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.679 But what about the investigators that had been there. I'm 726 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.639 sure they might if they were there, they did an investigation, 727 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:49.880 it might have it would have been logged somewhere. You mean, 728 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.800 no member of the media picked this story up and 729 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:52.320 went with it. 730 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.400 No media Noe at Doctor Buglein. He brought a film 731 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.119 producer here. She wanted to make a film about it, 732 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:03.159 and we said no, Wow. 733 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.480 So you're writing what's the difference between your first book 734 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:09.360 and your second book. 735 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.239 The first book someone else wrote. I gave them the 736 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.800 notes and everything that I did about it. 737 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:14.920 And it. 738 00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.079 Elaborates a little bit in certain spots that aren't true. 739 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:24.000 It's like five percent true, and then some elaboration. The 740 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.559 new book, I just told the story the way I 741 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.079 remember it. And also I put in like over one 742 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.000 hundred pictures so people could see the pictures, because that's 743 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.199 what I wanted people to see. I wanted people to say, look, 744 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:36.400 this is what it did, these are the things that did, 745 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.920 and this is the writing. So I wanted people to 746 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:39.360 see that. 747 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:47.079 There are many similarities with your story and the story 748 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:51.079 told by Andrea Perron, the author of The Conjuring, and 749 00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:57.159 she too is rewriting the entire story based She's writing 750 00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.760 it herself instead of using a ghostwriter like she did 751 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.960 first book. MM, the similarities are on Kenny. She too 752 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:11.239 had the Warren family. They too had an entity. You know. 753 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:15.119 It's there's a lot of questions here. 754 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.039 Sure, I understand that all I can do is tell 755 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:22.239 tell people what happened. I can tell them what I lived. 756 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.519 What is the general What is the general reception of 757 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:26.960 people that you tell your story to. 758 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.599 Most people are very nice about it. You know, they 759 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.440 don't look at me and say, oh, you're making that up. Sure, 760 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.639 my friends that know me know it's the truth. 761 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:38.840 How do they know the truth? 762 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.360 But and from from. 763 00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:45.239 Reviews on books and things, the majority of people you know, 764 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.039 don't believe it because it's the truth. I can't, you know, 765 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.119 I can only say what happened. There's no way I 766 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:52.000 can really prove it. 767 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:53.440 I lived it. 768 00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:56.920 Some of the investigators came Gary. Gary definitely could prove it.

769 00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:01.599 He could back up what I say. Brian Hurst knows 770 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.079 about it. Some other people know about it. But like 771 00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:05.239 you said, and that's the truth. 772 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:06.960 I lived that. 773 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.239 I know every little thing that happened that other people 774 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.880 don't know. And it's how can I prove it? I 775 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:13.039 can just tell you what happened. 776 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:16.679 Well, the proof would have been at the time of 777 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.719 these things happening by bringing in paranormal investigators who would 778 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.400 have been able to do a proper investigation and document 779 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:28.079 evidence of the occurrences that would have been proof, But 780 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:32.480 from what I'm gathering, there was no proof ever ascertained 781 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.559 during their investigations. And nobody saw any of the teleportation, 782 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:43.840 nobody saw any of the of the of the bed moving, 783 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:48.320 where the changing of the furniture or whatever. 784 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:50.320 That is. 785 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:50.920 That's true. 786 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.079 Yeah, I understand, I understand what you're saying. It is 787 00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:56.480 true because when people came to investigate it would just 788 00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:58.960 back off. It was like, I'm not even here, I'm 789 00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:03.400 just watching. And then they'd leave and he'd comment on them. 790 00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:04.400 What would he say. 791 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.360 He would say, He'd tell us that we were fools. 792 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:09.719 We weren't gonna be we weren't going to be able 793 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.840 to escape. And then we had a Christia conecome with. 794 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:19.000 He had machines that was documenting things. And I remember 795 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.360 when he was leaving he said, I said, well, well 796 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.159 what is it? And he said, well, there's things in 797 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.119 this world you're never going to understand, and this is 798 00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:29.119 one of them. And then when he left this Strentity 799 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:33.079 wrote on the mirror. The machine didn't detect me. He's 800 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:33.480 a fool. 801 00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.039 Was the handwriting ever analyzed. 802 00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:47.039 No, This was back in the early nineteen nineties and 803 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.400 late eighteen nineteen eighty seven. Things were different back then 804 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.079 than they are now. There weren't we couldn't even find 805 00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:56.519 people to help us. It wasn't like now where there's 806 00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:58.360 everybody you can get to come and find out what's 807 00:42:58.360 --> 00:42:58.679 going on. 808 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.920 And yet back then nineties you had doctor Hans Holtzer 809 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.400 who was available and doing research. He was the father 810 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:09.000 of parapsychology. He was making himself available for investigations. He 811 00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.840 also co hosted a number of the segments of In 812 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:16.840 Search Of with Leonard Nimoy. You had Lloyd hourback from 813 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:19.920 one of the universities, who was making himself available. 814 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.519 He's the one that sent out Chris Jakohon. 815 00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:27.880 Lloyd himself didn't go. 816 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.119 No, he sent out Chris Chakohm. 817 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:32.360 That's strange for Lloyd. 818 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:34.920 Yeah. 819 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.039 But so like you know, it's it's it's there, seems 820 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:43.880 to be. It's a great story. It's a great story, 821 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.000 but without any proof, that's all it is, is a story, 822 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:53.599 even though you lived it. You know the fact that 823 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:55.960 it took so long for the book to come out, 824 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:59.920 the fact that you didn't write the first book, you know, 825 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:01.239 was it penned under your name? 826 00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:07.159 No, No, I spent under a lady Joey Joey Albreck. 827 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:08.920 So she was the author of the book. 828 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:13.320 She was the author of the book, but it was 829 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:14.039 a nonfiction. 830 00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:15.880 It was just I just we told her. 831 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.599 She said she worked for matter of fact, she had 832 00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:20.880 worked for Disney for a while. She said, if we 833 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.159 tell this story and we don't make it a nonfiction, 834 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.000 people are going to have a hard time understanding it. 835 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.000 I have to put it in the nonfiction form so 836 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.400 that people can understand it better. So I didn't know 837 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:34.159 anything and said that's fine. So after she did that, 838 00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:36.800 you know, all those fine. But then I thought, you know, 839 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.679 I want people to know exactly what happened, because mostly 840 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.239 I wanted them to see the pictures. So when I 841 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.199 started writing, I just wrote another book exactly what happened 842 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:46.039 that I remembered it. 843 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.480 So why wouldn't the picture has been included in the 844 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:49.000 first book? 845 00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.039 Because because it costs too much money to put him 846 00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.440 in the first book, she said. She said, it wouldn't 847 00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:58.159 be advantage. It wouldn't be an advantage to put all 848 00:44:58.159 --> 00:44:59.400 the pictures in the first book. 849 00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:07.039 Wow, hey, listen, all I can say is good luck. 850 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.000 I you know why I find there to be information 851 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:18.239 missing that would certainly add to the credibility of the stories. 852 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:20.159 But I want to thank you so much for joining us. 853 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:24.719 Deb I wish you continued Happy Haunting at ex O Nation. 854 00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:29.039 You'd be the judge. There are so many holes in 855 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.719 this story, more holes than there are in a piece 856 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:39.679 of Swiss cheese and Billy Myer's refrigerator in Switzerland. And 857 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:45.199 like I said, it mirrors the Andrea Perrins story about 858 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.760 the conjuring, especially since there was a nangety, there was 859 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:58.000 a family. You've got the warnings involved, ah and the 860 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:02.760 big question why where the picture is not included in 861 00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.320 the first book. I'll be back on the other side 862 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.119 of this break as we continue hearing the X Zone 863 00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:14.119 from our broadcast center in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ask me 864 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:18.559 if I believe the story, Craig, never mind, I'll save you. 865 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:21.719 I'll save you the question. No, I don't. We'll be 866 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:26.159 back on the other side of this break. Don't go away.