บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Rob McConnell Interviews - WILLIAM GLADSTONE - The Implications of 2012

Mayan calendar. And I said 38 00:02:41.810 --> 00:02:47.930 to him, why does the Mayan calendar end on December 39 00:02:47.949 --> 00:02:52.409 the 21st, 2012. And he looked at me and he said, eh, 40 00:02:52.430 --> 00:02:55.590 we ran out of ink. That's really not what happened, though. 41 00:02:57.740 --> 00:03:00.659 I'm sorry, I couldn't help that one. My guest this 42 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:02.780 hour at XO Nation is a gentleman who's going to 43 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.680 be talking to me about the impact of 2012. His 44 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:07.860 name is William Gladstone, and he is an expert on 45 00:03:07.900 --> 00:03:12.180 the implications and impact of 2012 and ancient religions. He's 46 00:03:12.219 --> 00:03:15.830 traveled around the world, researching for and setting up the 47 00:03:15.849 --> 00:03:19.250 international productions of Rod Serling's In Search of Ancient Mysteries 48 00:03:19.310 --> 00:03:23.150 and other projects, including In Search of the Historical Jesus. 49 00:03:23.810 --> 00:03:26.349 As a literary agent, he has worked with some of 50 00:03:26.379 --> 00:03:30.060 the most respected and influential authors of our time, including 51 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:35.580 Eckhart Tolle, Deepak Chopra, Barbara Marks Hubbard, and throughout his career, 52 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:41.099 William Gladstone has also worked with prominent visionaries, including Tom Anderson, 53 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:45.560 founder of MySpace, Peter Norton, founder of Norton Computing, and 54 00:03:45.659 --> 00:03:49.919 Linus Torvalds, creator of the Lynx operating system. He attended 55 00:03:49.979 --> 00:03:53.599 Yale College and earned a graduate degree in cultural anthropology 56 00:03:53.620 --> 00:03:58.370 from Harvard University. And he resides in Cardiff-by-the-Sea in California, 57 00:03:58.409 --> 00:04:01.770 but he's in Toronto, Ontario today. Craig Webb, who's going 58 00:04:01.789 --> 00:04:04.189 to be with us tomorrow, contacted me yesterday and said, Rob, 59 00:04:04.550 --> 00:04:10.250 you have to bring William Gladstone onto the Exxon because 60 00:04:11.590 --> 00:04:16.970 the Exxon Nation will hear what the truth about 2012 is. 61 00:04:17.589 --> 00:04:21.189 And there's the keyword truth. And joining me now from 62 00:04:21.329 --> 00:04:24.949 Toronto is William Gladstone. And William, welcome to the Exxon. 63 00:04:24.980 --> 00:04:26.620 Thank you very much for taking time out of your 64 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:29.600 very busy schedule while you're here in Canada to be 65 00:04:29.660 --> 00:04:30.920 with us tonight here on the show. 66 00:04:31.699 --> 00:04:33.759 Well, it's a pleasure to be on your show. And 67 00:04:33.819 --> 00:04:36.040 I love your intro of The Calendar Girl, one of 68 00:04:36.060 --> 00:04:39.620 my favorite songs. And I'm sorry to disappoint your listeners, 69 00:04:39.939 --> 00:04:43.220 but it's a total fantasy. There was no ink 4,000 70 00:04:43.220 --> 00:04:46.660 years ago when the Mayan calendar was created. And it 71 00:04:46.699 --> 00:04:50.810 was created on rocks and chiseled and not written. And 72 00:04:50.870 --> 00:04:53.069 it's a round calendar, so it wouldn't have run out 73 00:04:53.110 --> 00:04:58.829 of ink anyway. But it does end on December 21, 2012. 74 00:04:58.829 --> 00:05:01.779 And why it ends on December 21, 2012 is a 75 00:05:01.829 --> 00:05:04.629 true mystery. And though there are many theories... No one 76 00:05:04.670 --> 00:05:09.660 can say with certainty why it ends on December 21st, 2012. 77 00:05:09.660 --> 00:05:16.930 Many people have fantasized and misinterpreted the true Mayan belief 78 00:05:17.730 --> 00:05:22.750 that the time of December 21st, 2012 is the end 79 00:05:22.769 --> 00:05:28.129 of a cycle. And think of the telephone tag game. 80 00:05:28.170 --> 00:05:30.889 When you tell somebody something, they tell somebody, and, you know, 81 00:05:30.910 --> 00:05:34.079 after 10 people, the message is not exactly the same. Well, 82 00:05:34.100 --> 00:05:37.139 think of that times, you know, 4,000 years, because there's 83 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:39.980 nobody alive on this planet today who was here when 84 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:41.459 the Mayan calendar was created. 85 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:42.519 Including the Mayans. 86 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:47.670 Including, well, there's Mayans that are alive, people of Mayan genetic, 87 00:05:48.019 --> 00:05:51.350 but in terms of the main civilization did disappear. 88 00:05:51.730 --> 00:05:53.709 William, please stand by. You and I have to take 89 00:05:53.810 --> 00:05:56.550 a two-minute commercial break. It's going to be an exciting hour. William, 90 00:05:56.589 --> 00:06:09.509 thank you very much for joining us tonight. XO Nation, www. 12thebook. com. 91 00:06:02.970 --> 00:06:08.009 That's number 12, 1-2-the-book.com. William Gladstone and I will be 92 00:06:08.089 --> 00:06:10.250 back on the other side of this two-minute commercial break 93 00:06:10.370 --> 00:06:12.449 as we continue live and around the world from our 94 00:06:12.470 --> 00:06:16.970 studios in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, right here on Talkstar. And 95 00:06:17.209 --> 00:06:20.439 you know what, XO Nation? I thought they used ink. 96 00:06:21.370 --> 00:06:24.110 what do i know i guess they got the rocks 97 00:06:24.209 --> 00:06:26.089 off though we'll be back on the other side as 98 00:06:26.129 --> 00:06:27.810 we continue right here on talk. 99 00:06:27.589 --> 00:06:50.860 Star yesterday all my troubles seem so far away Now 100 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:55.379 it looks as though they're here to stay. Oh, I 101 00:06:55.459 --> 00:07:04.730 believe in yesterday. Suddenly, I'm not half the man I 102 00:07:04.889 --> 00:07:12.180 used to be. There's a shadow hanging over me. Oh, 103 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:15.259 yesterday came suddenly. 104 00:07:17.850 --> 00:07:19.870 And welcome back to The X-Zone, everyone. My name is 105 00:07:19.949

--> 00:07:23.689 Rob McConnell. My very special guest this hour is William Gladstone. 106 00:07:23.730 --> 00:07:33.459 His website is www. 12thebook. com. That's the numeral 1-2-thebook.com. And William, 107 00:07:33.860 --> 00:07:36.420 when and how were you first introduced to the concept 108 00:07:36.459 --> 00:07:36.639 of 2012? 109 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:40.250 Well, the very first introduction I had was as a 110 00:07:40.290 --> 00:07:43.750 very young boy reading about the Mayan and the Aztecs 111 00:07:43.829 --> 00:07:45.750 and the Olmecs. I, for some reason, just had a 112 00:07:45.810 --> 00:07:51.490 natural interest in South America. Later, when I was in 113 00:07:51.610 --> 00:07:54.850 my early teens, I studied Spanish and ended up living 114 00:07:54.889 --> 00:07:57.829 in Spain, and then when I came back, I actually 115 00:07:58.129 --> 00:08:01.189 majored in Spanish literature, and so I was always very 116 00:08:01.209 --> 00:08:03.850 interested in Latin America, and that was my early interest. 117 00:08:04.230 --> 00:08:06.500 At the same time, I was interested because of my 118 00:08:06.899 --> 00:08:11.660 basic fascination with numbers. I was always a numbers person 119 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.740 that in fact the main character in my novel the 120 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:17.149 twelve is based on my own life and the character 121 00:08:17.189 --> 00:08:21.550 of max dot only uh... speak in terms of numbers 122 00:08:21.589 --> 00:08:23.949 and images he doesn't actually speak until he six years 123 00:08:24.050 --> 00:08:26.230 old which was true for me as well and so 124 00:08:26.250 --> 00:08:29.300 it always fascinated with numbers my own birthday happened to 125 00:08:29.329 --> 00:08:32.580 be twelve twelve and so the twenty twelve up you 126 00:08:32.620 --> 00:08:34.740 know even it when i was very young even probably 127 00:08:34.779 --> 00:08:37.860 before i i was speaking fascinated me because of the 128 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:41.899 connection with my own numerology So I've had a very 129 00:08:41.940 --> 00:08:44.279 long interest in it. And then when I went to 130 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:49.460 Harvard University and I studied anthropology, my initial fieldwork was 131 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:52.779 in South America as well. So I ended up becoming 132 00:08:52.820 --> 00:08:55.919 a bit of an expert on the Mayan, though not 133 00:08:56.379 --> 00:08:58.470 at the level of John Major Jenkins and some of 134 00:08:58.490 --> 00:09:01.809 these other people that have written these heavy tomes. I 135 00:09:01.850 --> 00:09:04.490 have read all of their books, but I wrote the 136 00:09:04.529 --> 00:09:08.549 novel The Twelve as a lighthearted but truthful story of 137 00:09:08.610 --> 00:09:11.500 the essence of 2012– And I was very pleased. I 138 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:15.419 sent a copy of my manuscript, the 12, to José Arguelles. 139 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.440 And he said, for those who don't know, José

Arguelles 140 00:09:18.500 --> 00:09:21.360 is really the person. He is an anthropologist and a professor, 141 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:26.379 but more importantly, the popularizer of 2012. Twenty-five years ago, 142 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:29.240 he created an event, a worldwide event, with over a 143 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:33.899 million people participating. It was called the Harmonic Convergence. It 144 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:36.450 was the first time people were made aware that the 145 00:09:36.529 --> 00:09:40.409 Mayan calendar was ending. And because I knew of Jose, 146 00:09:40.769 --> 00:09:43.029 I wanted to get his opinion on my novel, The Twelve, 147 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.100 and I sent it to him, and I had no 148 00:09:45.139 --> 00:09:47.500 previous contact with him of any kind. And he wrote 149 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:51.740 back that he doesn't even know why he read my book, 150 00:09:51.779 --> 00:09:54.009 because he's so busy, but he was drawn into it, 151 00:09:54.610 --> 00:09:58.250 and that, in his opinion, what I describe as the 152 00:09:58.690 --> 00:10:02.850 sort of climax of 2012, of December 21st, 2012, is 153 00:10:02.929 --> 00:10:06.340 exactly what he believes the Mayans have intended to communicate 154 00:10:06.379 --> 00:10:08.649 to humanity at this time, and he's become, you know, 155 00:10:08.700 --> 00:10:11.519 one of my great supporters for the novel, and, you know, 156 00:10:11.539 --> 00:10:13.799 this was one of the reasons, frankly, I went ahead 157 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:17.019 and really pursued the publication of the novel, as well 158 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:20.090 as we're in discussions for our own films. One of 159 00:10:20.470 --> 00:10:22.990 the things I really think is important to say this week, 160 00:10:23.049 --> 00:10:27.539 particularly with this big 2012 film coming out on November 13th, 161 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:30.899 is that the version that this film is doing is 162 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.720 not based on my novel, The Twelve, and is in 163 00:10:33.779 --> 00:10:38.679 fact a completely false interpretation of the Mayan calendar. And 164 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.590 if you want the real story, which is a story 165 00:10:41.669 --> 00:10:45.169 of hope and also a story of transformation, something major 166 00:10:45.230 --> 00:10:46.809 is going to happen on December 21st, 2012. 167 00:10:46.809 --> 00:10:47.450 I agree. 168 00:10:47.610 --> 00:10:49.389 But it's going to be much more subtle than what's 169 00:10:49.450 --> 00:10:53.169 in this movie, and it's an opportunity for positive transformation, 170 00:10:53.250 --> 00:10:54.629 not for the destruction of the planet. 171 00:10:54.850 --> 00:10:58.500 And that's exactly what we need in today's society, is 172 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:02.950 positive reinforcement, because... you know mainstream media if it don't 173 00:11:02.990 --> 00:11:05.789 believe that don't leave and it seems that the most 174 00:11:06.070 --> 00:11:10.110 shocking uh... as you know the the the worst movie 175 00:11:10.190 --> 00:11:11.210 is the more money it. 176 00:11:11.169 --> 00:11:14.970 Makes well not always but too often yet i mean 177 00:11:14.990 --> 00:11:17.809 i'm not super critical of this movie actually did a 178 00:11:17.909 --> 00:11:20.750 positive thing i think that the universe is quite complex 179 00:11:21.269 --> 00:11:23.460 and it's not so easy to say you know black 180 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:26.460 white you know good bad and they're actually is a 181 00:11:26.500 --> 00:11:28.100 lot of good that i think it may come out 182 00:11:28.139 --> 00:11:30.769 of this movie Primarily in that it's going to draw 183 00:11:30.850 --> 00:11:33.750 attention to 2012, and I think that's a very positive thing. 184 00:11:34.009 --> 00:11:35.840 And it's also going to draw attention to the fact 185 00:11:36.379 --> 00:11:40.179 that we are, as a human species, at a perilous 186 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:43.490 place in our evolution. We are the first generation in 187 00:11:43.529 --> 00:11:46.809 the history of the world that could destroy this planet. 188 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.240 And frankly, a lot of what's going on right now 189 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.519 is very destructive. So I see 2012 as more of 190 00:11:52.580 --> 00:11:56.000 a clarion call to each individual to wake up and 191 00:11:56.039 --> 00:12:00.840 start taking responsibility for the benefit of others and themselves 192 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:03.279 so that we don't have the kinds of calamities that 193 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.539 these movies are making, and we don't encourage this kind 194 00:12:06.570 --> 00:12:10.669 of negative thinking. Thought does direct energy, and human beings 195 00:12:10.809 --> 00:12:13.750 and what they think and what they do will have 196 00:12:13.789 --> 00:12:18.070 a major impact on whether this particular planet Earth, a 197 00:12:18.110 --> 00:12:19.809 hundred years from now will be a nice place to 198 00:12:19.850 --> 00:12:20.370 live or not. 199 00:12:20.909 --> 00:12:24.230 Tell me, what other religions and or cultures view 2012 200 00:12:24.230 --> 00:12:25.409 as a year of significance? 201 00:12:25.990 --> 00:12:28.720 Well, it's amazing. Once I wrote the book, and I 202 00:12:28.750 --> 00:12:32.019 should explain that the novel The Twelve was written because 203 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.840 it was a true story. I had a near-death experience, 204 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.860 which I give to the main character, Max Duff. And 205 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:41.840 in this near-death experience, I was given 12 names. In reality, 206 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:44.710 I forgot who these names were, but it stuck with me, 207 00:12:44.730 --> 00:12:48.370 and the whole experience of near-death is quite amazing. And 208 00:12:49.070 --> 00:12:51.070 then in 1979, I met a woman who had almost 209 00:12:51.110 --> 00:12:54.450 the identical near-death experience that I

had had, and she 210 00:12:54.610 --> 00:12:57.029 actually remembered her 12 names, and that was the inspiration 211 00:12:57.289 --> 00:13:00.350 to write the original film treatment for the novel The Twelve. 212 00:13:00.860 --> 00:13:03.179 In the novel, and this is the part that is, 213 00:13:03.340 --> 00:13:07.200 I guess, creative and fictional, I did go out and 214 00:13:07.700 --> 00:13:11.580 explore other religious traditions. When I had the 12 names, 215 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.190 my first thought, of course, being part of North American culture, was, oh, 216 00:13:16.220 --> 00:13:17.799 it had something to do with the 12 apostles. That's 217 00:13:17.820 --> 00:13:20.200 the most famous 12. But then as I started doing 218 00:13:20.259 --> 00:13:23.990 more research, I found out that 12 is at the 219 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.009 basis of almost every major religion. Even the Hindus have 220 00:13:28.009 --> 00:13:30.289 108 as their sacred number, which, of course, is 9 221 00:13:30.289 --> 00:13:32.950 times 12. But even the Mayans have the 12 princes 222 00:13:32.990 --> 00:13:35.570 of Ixbalba, which is a 12. You have the 12 223 00:13:35.570 --> 00:13:37.730 knights of the round table. You have the 12 adepts 224 00:13:37.769 --> 00:13:41.009 of Atlantis. you have the twelve tribes of israel and 225 00:13:41.049 --> 00:13:42.970 it goes on you still have and and even in 226 00:13:43.029 --> 00:13:45.289 our our everyday lives today there's you know why do 227 00:13:45.309 --> 00:13:47.409 we have a dozen but so special about twelve why 228 00:13:47.450 --> 00:13:49.330 couldn't we have had a turn well and i would 229 00:13:49.350 --> 00:13:51.649 think so this number twelve seems to be at the 230 00:13:51.690 --> 00:13:55.309 base of most major traditions in world religions and then 231 00:13:55.350 --> 00:13:59.049 i connected it back to the twenty twelve phenomena and 232 00:13:59.090 --> 00:14:02.929 i found that most ancient traditions including some very large 233 00:14:03.029 --> 00:14:06.169 one such as the hindu belief in the end of 234 00:14:06.220 --> 00:14:09.370 a cycle the end of a calendar not the Mayan calendar, 235 00:14:09.389 --> 00:14:11.509 but the end of their own calendars. And the Hindu 236 00:14:11.690 --> 00:14:14.289 Kali Yuga is coming to an end, more or less 237 00:14:14.529 --> 00:14:17.830 at this time, not precisely in 2012, but close. And 238 00:14:17.850 --> 00:14:22.669 the same is true for beliefs from Hawaiian, Tibetan, Hopi traditions. 239 00:14:23.610 --> 00:14:26.750 And so we are clear that it's not just the 240 00:14:26.820 --> 00:14:30.000 Mayan who are saying that December 21st, 2012 represents a 241 00:14:30.059 --> 00:14:33.250 new beginning, but many other traditions, because in all of 242 00:14:33.269 --> 00:14:35.889 these other traditions, they're also saying that we're coming to 243 00:14:35.929 --> 00:14:40.190 the end of a denser, less evolved vibration into a new, 244 00:14:40.309 --> 00:14:43.340 higher vibration. So I really think there's lots of evidence 245 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:47.259 for positive news, whereas there's very little evidence that this 246 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:49.100 is going to be doom and gloom. Of course, you 247 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:54.419 have Nostradamus, and you have some other predictions of destruction, 248 00:14:54.779 --> 00:14:58.210 but most of them, I believe, are misinterpretations. When people 249 00:14:58.250 --> 00:15:00.250 say it's the end of the world, what does that 250 00:15:00.289 --> 00:15:03.090 really mean? There's a level on which the world ends 251 00:15:03.149 --> 00:15:06.230 and begins every second of time. So I think you 252 00:15:06.250 --> 00:15:08.470 have to be very careful when you have people with 253 00:15:08.490 --> 00:15:13.740 these dramatic predictions of floods and fire and havoc. I 254 00:15:13.820 --> 00:15:17.360 don't think they're based on very much scientific evidence, if 255 00:15:17.460 --> 00:15:19.940 any at all. And I think that they're alarmist and 256 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:21.299 not very productive. 257 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:26.190 I think I'll stick by the song that Rem came 258 00:15:26.230 --> 00:15:27.990 out with a couple of years ago. It's the end 259 00:15:28.029 --> 00:15:29.809 of the world as we know it. 260 00:15:30.070 --> 00:15:32.629 Right. And that can be a very good thing if 261 00:15:32.649 --> 00:15:34.370 you actually look at a lot of what we know 262 00:15:34.409 --> 00:15:38.169 right now. We've done some pretty ridiculously stupid things as 263 00:15:38.230 --> 00:15:39.009 a human species. 264 00:15:39.250 --> 00:15:39.509 No. 265 00:15:39.549 --> 00:15:42.220 Cruel things. Really? I'm fine for the end of that 266 00:15:42.269 --> 00:15:42.980 part of our world. 267 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.080 You and me both. You know, like you and I 268 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:48.639 were talking off air, and I believe it's going to 269 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:51.659 be a time of positive change. I think that people 270 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:55.799 are finally going to realize that, you know what? This 271 00:15:56.230 --> 00:15:59.820 planet exists. Right now is all that we have. Look 272 00:15:59.860 --> 00:16:01.919 what we're doing to the planet. Look what we're doing 273 00:16:01.940 --> 00:16:04.299 to the environment. Look what we're doing to the oceans. 274 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:05.940 Look what we're doing to each other. 275 00:16:06.899 --> 00:16:08.779 Well, this is the main reason I wrote the novel, 276 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.139 The Twelve. I mean, I have a very good life. 277 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.559 I didn't really write this novel for fame, fortune. I 278 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:17.090 haven't experienced all of that, fortunately. But I really had 279 00:16:17.129 --> 00:16:21.850 this overwhelming desire to be a force for positive change. 280 00:16:22.250 --> 00:16:24.389 And in the novel The

Twelve, everything in the novel 281 00:16:24.429 --> 00:16:28.710 is actually true. We even thought about possibly doing this non-fiction. 282 00:16:28.750 --> 00:16:32.240 The working title was Memoir or Prophecy. And then we realized, well, 283 00:16:32.250 --> 00:16:36.659 you can't really call something that mainly takes place after 284 00:16:36.659 --> 00:16:39.320 2010 when you're publishing in 2009 a work of fiction. 285 00:16:40.330 --> 00:16:42.960 of non-fiction. So we did make it a fiction. But 286 00:16:43.149 --> 00:16:46.620 I'm actually convinced that what I described as the way 287 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:50.039 that these 12 separate people come together, and they represent 288 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:55.139 every major religion, most economic classes you have, you know, 289 00:16:55.220 --> 00:16:58.379 young people, old people, they're from Peru, they're from China, 290 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.809 they're from Japan, they're from Tibet. They represent every major religion, 291 00:17:01.850 --> 00:17:05.690 including atheism, which is sort of now a religion. And 292 00:17:05.990 --> 00:17:08.089 the thesis of the novel of 12 is that these 293 00:17:08.089 --> 00:17:10.950 12 people have to come together in a specific place 294 00:17:11.170 --> 00:17:13.859 at a specific time. And if they fail to do so, 295 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:17.859 the positive predictions of 2012 may not come true. And 296 00:17:18.099 --> 00:17:19.980 I think there's a level on which even though it's 297 00:17:20.019 --> 00:17:23.680 a novel and it's a metaphor, it's actually true. It's 298 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:26.779 really up to human beings to realize that they have 299 00:17:26.819 --> 00:17:29.779 to come together. And for some reason, 12, groups of 300 00:17:29.779 --> 00:17:31.990 12 seems to be the optimal way of doing it. 301 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:38.380 And we actually have created some websites, planetchange.tv. and plantchange2012. com, 302 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.759 where we're actually organizing over one million groups of 12 303 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:44.309 to come together throughout this planet to focus first on 304 00:17:44.390 --> 00:17:47.970 cleaning up their interior space and then working together in 305 00:17:47.990 --> 00:17:51.470 their communities for positive change in their communities that can 306 00:17:51.490 --> 00:17:55.079 be communicated through the Internet instantly to millions and tens 307 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:57.440 of millions and hopefully hundreds of millions of people. 308 00:17:57.680 --> 00:17:58.500 Stand by, William. 309 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:00.619 You might have to take our commercial break with the 310 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.640 news at the bottom of the hour. William Gladstone is 311 00:18:02.700 --> 00:18:10.819 our very special guest. www. 12thebook. com. That's number 12thebook. com. And 312 00:18:10.900 --> 00:18:12.819 we'll be back on the other side of this commercial 313 00:18:12.859 --> 00:18:15.880 break with the news as The Exxon continues live and 314 00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:18.240 around the world on the Talkstar Radio Network and our 315 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.200 growing family of broadcast affiliates across Canada, the United States, 316 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.160 Central America, the Caribbean, South America, the Pacific Rim, 24 317 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.289 Asian countries, and across Europe. My name is Rob McConnell, 318 00:18:30.329 --> 00:18:33.009 and this is The Exxon, and you're listening to us 319 00:18:33.089 --> 00:18:33.690 on Talkstar. 320 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:47.140 To find out more, go to fightflu.ca or call 1-800-O-CANADA. 321 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:48.279 Knowledge is your best defense. 322 00:18:48.380 --> 00:18:50.220 A message from the Public Health Agency of Canada. 323 00:19:15.140 --> 00:19:18.529 Uh-oh. Hey, Rocky! I think I'm having more of that 324 00:19:18.609 --> 00:19:19.849 deja vu stuff. 325 00:19:20.150 --> 00:19:20.730 Again? 326 00:19:20.750 --> 00:19:24.009 Nothing up my sleeve. Presto! Uh-oh. 327 00:19:24.430 --> 00:19:25.430 Hey, Rocky! 328 00:19:25.670 --> 00:19:28.380 I think I'm having more of that deja vu stuff. 329 00:19:28.700 --> 00:19:29.279 Again? 330 00:19:29.299 --> 00:19:32.519 Nothing up my sleeve. Presto! Uh-oh. 331 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:33.980 Hey, Rocky! 332 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.920 I think I'm having more of that deja vu stuff. 333 00:19:37.220 --> 00:19:37.920 Again? 334 00:19:37.940 --> 00:19:40.329 Nothing up my sleeve. Presto! 335 00:19:40.509 --> 00:19:41.089 Uh-oh. 336 00:19:41.349 --> 00:19:44.750 Hey, I think I'm having more of that deja vu stuff. 337 00:19:45.069 --> 00:19:45.650 Again? 338 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.700 My name is Michael Talstar, Canada's leading mentalist from Toronto, Ontario. 339 00:19:59.539 --> 00:20:02.339 Hi, my name is Spoonza, and you're listening to my dad, 340 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:06.900 Rob McConnell, on the XM... This is Psychic Dorothy from St. 341 00:20:06.940 --> 00:20:09.089 Catharines, and you're listening to Rob McConnell. 342 00:20:09.329 --> 00:20:12.650 Hello, my name is Holly Reeves, an astrologer from Astro4U, 343 00:20:12.809 --> 00:20:16.210 and you're listening to Canada's number one paranormal radio show, 344 00:20:16.369 --> 00:20:18.230 The X-Zone, with Rob McConnell. 345 00:20:18.390 --> 00:20:22.119 Welcome to The X-Zone, a place where fact is fiction 346 00:20:22.390 --> 00:20:26.900 and fiction is reality. Now, here's your host, Rob McConnell. 347 00:20:29.630 --> 00:20:30.190 That's great. 348 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:34.900 It starts with an earthquake. Birds and snakes and airplane. 349 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.230 Lenny Bruce is not afraid. 350 00:20:38.849 --> 00:20:41.509 I have a hurricane, listen to yourself churn, world serves 351 00:20:41.529 --> 00:20:43.569 its own needs, dummies serve your own needs, speed it 352 00:20:43.670 --> 00:20:43.950 up and. 353 00:20:43.890 -->

00:20:46.470 Not speak, grunt, no strength, the ladder starts to clatter 354 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:49.140 with fear, fight down, hike, fire in a fire, represent 355 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.599 the seven games in the government, we're higher than a 356 00:20:51.619 --> 00:20:53.160 combat site, left and west. 357 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:57.119 Are coming in a hurry with the furies beating down, you're, yeah. 358 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:01.180 Team, my team, reporters, babble, trump, tether, crop, look at that, 359 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:05.410 no plane, fine, yeah, uh-oh, overflow, population, comment, It's the 360 00:21:05.509 --> 00:21:07.630 end of the world as we know it. 361 00:21:07.670 --> 00:21:07.869 Hmm. 362 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:33.319 You know what? 363 00:21:33.339 --> 00:21:35.599 It's about time because this world, the way we know 364 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.660 it right now, it's in one hell of a mess. 365 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:40.640 You know, you've got a bunch of people sitting around 366 00:21:40.660 --> 00:21:43.299 with their fingers on the nuclear button. You've got other 367 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:47.680 people who are just causing chaos when it comes to 368 00:21:48.029 --> 00:21:51.420 something as simple as health care. You know, you've got 369 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:56.109 an economy that is going downhill in a hurry. But 370 00:21:56.990 --> 00:21:59.130 for every down in life, there's always an up. And 371 00:21:59.170 --> 00:22:04.309 we're talking about positive reinforcement. I believe Looking at a glass, 372 00:22:04.529 --> 00:22:08.150 it's never half empty. It's always half full. I am 373 00:22:08.190 --> 00:22:13.589 the eternal optimist. I see good in everyone. I would 374 00:22:13.630 --> 00:22:17.730 rather say, you know what? This guy or this gal, 375 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:21.940 they've got some good in them instead of saying they're rotten, 376 00:22:21.980 --> 00:22:23.599 no good for nothing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 377 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:28.519 Too many people look at life in total negative. I 378 00:22:28.539 --> 00:22:31.769 like to look at it. As we're part of a 379 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:35.920 growing process that we're learning from our mistakes and that 380 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.819 we will survive. We will take care of this planet. 381 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:43.700 We are going to one day unite globally, understanding that 382 00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:47.170 we are all part of the same planet. Are we 383 00:22:47.470 --> 00:22:49.349 our brother's keeper? You bet we are. 384 00:22:51.289 --> 00:22:51.809 What will happen? 385 00:22:53.170 --> 00:22:55.180 I was just going to say, what else do we 386 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:57.220 have to look forward to? Well, we have tomorrow to 387 00:22:57.259 --> 00:23:01.259 look forward to, because in every tomorrow there's always the 388 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:05.759 hope of success, the hope of happiness, the hope of well-being,

389 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:07.539 and the hope of success. 390 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:12.849 Well, I really endorse everything you're saying, and it's even 391 00:23:12.950 --> 00:23:17.309 better than you're saying. The reality is, human beings can 392 00:23:17.390 --> 00:23:21.960 have an even more joyful existence than any generation in 393 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.180 the history of the world. We've gotten off track, and 394 00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:27.329 so much of what human beings have been spending their 395 00:23:27.349 --> 00:23:30.910 time doing is creating some great gadgets and some great 396 00:23:31.049 --> 00:23:35.349 structures and institutions, but those gadgets, structures, and institutions have 397 00:23:35.450 --> 00:23:38.670 kind of become an end in themselves that have gotten 398 00:23:38.730 --> 00:23:42.190 away from the real human needs and the real joy 399 00:23:42.259 --> 00:23:46.420 that comes from being human, from being creative, from working together, 400 00:23:46.819 --> 00:23:50.930 and from creating great beauty. And those types of joys 401 00:23:51.369 --> 00:23:56.289 do not require the destruction of this planet or excess 402 00:23:56.650 --> 00:24:00.119 exploitation of others or of the resources of this planet. 403 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.180 And I think that we instinctively know this, but somehow 404 00:24:04.220 --> 00:24:06.839 we've gotten away from what we know. And I actually 405 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:11.509 see the emergencies that are plaguing this planet every day 406 00:24:11.569 --> 00:24:13.490 you hear about them because the news does report on 407 00:24:13.509 --> 00:24:17.180 them as an opportunity for emergencies. This is my good 408 00:24:17.259 --> 00:24:21.819 friend Barbara Marks Hubbard's statement. She's the founder of Co-Evolution Foundation. 409 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.609 And she has really put a great phrase together. When 410 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.029 you have an emergency, you have an opportunity for something 411 00:24:30.069 --> 00:24:33.509 new to emerge. If things are just sort of mildly bad, 412 00:24:33.829 --> 00:24:35.980 you kind of put up with it. but you don't 413 00:24:36.019 --> 00:24:38.640 really change. This is true if you look at it 414 00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:41.609 in terms of health, like it's when a fever breaks 415 00:24:41.650 --> 00:24:45.130 that you get something new and health comes. And it's 416 00:24:45.170 --> 00:24:48.650 the same, I believe, on the macro. We are, as 417 00:24:48.730 --> 00:24:52.940 a human species, experiencing some dire emergencies, but I see 418 00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:56.019 this as kind of part of what Barbara calls a 419 00:24:56.339 --> 00:25:00.339 new birth, the new universal human with a greater awareness 420 00:25:00.380 --> 00:25:03.730 and a greater higher consciousness than emerging at this time 421 00:25:04.049 --> 00:25:06.529 and I would say that there's already millions of people 422 00:25:06.829 --> 00:25:09.670 who are at this level and that the whole goal 423 00:25:10.150 --> 00:25:13.680 right now of 2012 and why December 21st 2012 is 424 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.980 such a window of opportunity is that hundreds of millions 425 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:19.720 of additional people can walk through to the state of 426 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:22.720 higher awareness And my novel, The Twelve, really has been 427 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.589 written as the easiest way to start the process. You 428 00:25:26.650 --> 00:25:29.490 don't need to be into spirituality. You don't need to 429 00:25:29.529 --> 00:25:31.930 be into religion. You don't need to be into meditation. 430 00:25:32.170 --> 00:25:34.710 You don't need to be into anything other than enjoying 431 00:25:34.750 --> 00:25:38.549 a good story. But somehow, magically, this story in The 432 00:25:38.609 --> 00:25:42.349 Twelve does touch people deeply and does make people aware 433 00:25:42.589 --> 00:25:46.000 that every moment of life is filled with potential magic, 434 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:50.289 that synchronicities abound. and that each and every human being 435 00:25:50.390 --> 00:25:54.329 potentially is the most important human being on this planet 436 00:25:54.630 --> 00:25:57.450 to ensure a positive destiny for all mankind. 437 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.440 Tell me, in the 12, you introduced the concept of 438 00:26:01.660 --> 00:26:05.279 the One. Do you believe there is one individual who 439 00:26:05.339 --> 00:26:09.420 will play a pivotal role in December the 21st, 2012? 440 00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:12.829 Actually, I don't. In the novel, we use that mechanism, 441 00:26:12.869 --> 00:26:14.490 and we use the mechanism of the One in the 442 00:26:14.509 --> 00:26:18.559 novel specifically because most world religions have talked about the one, 443 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.450 and most people are always looking outside of themselves. I 444 00:26:22.490 --> 00:26:26.009 don't want to give away the novel, but the one 445 00:26:26.349 --> 00:26:29.869 is really a metaphor that every single human being is 446 00:26:29.970 --> 00:26:35.210 potentially the one. Every single human being carries part of 447 00:26:35.250 --> 00:26:40.140 whatever divine spark created this universe, and collectively, all human 448 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.000 beings together are the one. 449 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:48.160 1-877-528-8255 is toll free throughout the U.S., Canada, Alaska, and Hawaii. 450 00:26:48.339 --> 00:26:51.869 My very special guest this hour, ExoNation, is William Gladstone. 451 00:26:51.930 --> 00:27:01.160 His website, www. 12thebook. com. That is the number 12thebook. com. When you're 452 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:06.299 out talking to people about 2012, what is the main thing? 453 00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:13.609 consensus of John Q. Publick as to why they put 454 00:27:13.710 --> 00:27:21.210 so much into December 21st, 2012, and have they forgotten 455 00:27:21.230 -->

00:27:23.430 what happened during Y2K? 456 00:27:24.089 --> 00:27:26.750 Okay, this is a very complex question, and there's not 457 00:27:26.829 --> 00:27:30.369 a simple answer. Part of what's going on, obviously, when 458 00:27:30.390 --> 00:27:33.009 you have media, such as the Hollywood production of the 459 00:27:33.049 --> 00:27:37.769 movie 2012, That's going to arouse people's anxieties. It's a 460 00:27:37.809 --> 00:27:40.029 doomsday kind of film. It's going to get people talking 461 00:27:40.089 --> 00:27:42.529 about it. But they wouldn't have even made the film 462 00:27:42.529 --> 00:27:47.119 2012 if there wasn't already a pre-existing fascination, almost obsession 463 00:27:47.130 --> 00:27:50.720 with 2012. Over 200 million people just this year have 464 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:55.059 Googled 2012. So there's obviously a lot of interest in 465 00:27:55.099 --> 00:27:58.759 this date. One can argue from many perspectives that some 466 00:27:58.779 --> 00:28:00.960 of the reason for this is that the date is real. 467 00:28:01.460 --> 00:28:07.779 There was a famous anthropologist, Kroeber, who talked about the superorganic, 468 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.160 which was the concept that somehow the thoughts of all 469 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.950 humanity exist in the ethers and can be picked up 470 00:28:15.329 --> 00:28:18.230 by human beings. I think there is some truth to that. 471 00:28:18.490 --> 00:28:20.650 You also, of course, have the great psychologist that is 472 00:28:20.710 --> 00:28:28.849 more common, Carl Jung, who talks about the different collective unconsciouss. 473 00:28:30.430 --> 00:28:32.430 And it's a very similar concept to Kroeber, that I 474 00:28:32.470 --> 00:28:36.829 believe Kroeber was better articulated, actually. But that's more of 475 00:28:36.849 --> 00:28:40.039 a specialty for anthropologists. But the reality is there is 476 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:44.259 something real happening here. The Mayan calendar, unlike our calendar, 477 00:28:44.539 --> 00:28:49.160 was not an arbitrary set of numbers. They actually somehow 478 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.200 observed that there's a wobble to the rotation of planet Earth, 479 00:28:53.500 --> 00:28:55.779 and that the cycle of this wobble, which has a 480 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.400 technical name that I don't use per session, is 26,000 years. 481 00:29:00.529 --> 00:29:03.950 And that this wobble is ending on December 21st, or 482 00:29:03.970 --> 00:29:08.150 this cycle of the wobble, 2012. That's quite remarkable. It's 483 00:29:08.230 --> 00:29:10.460 quite remarkable that they were able to, you know, because 484 00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:12.900 I certainly have no way of measuring this or knowing 485 00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:14.900 that it's true. I don't think when I was going 486 00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:17.039 to school, you know, I read any science books that 487 00:29:17.420 --> 00:29:19.839 talked about this. Scientists now, you know, are much more

advanced. 488 00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.309 But what about 4,000 years ago? How they figured this 489 00:29:22.430 --> 00:29:26.230 out is truly phenomenal. And then there are other signs 490 00:29:26.289 --> 00:29:29.430 in terms of alignments of planics. planets in the galaxy 491 00:29:29.450 --> 00:29:32.089 and there's other sort of strange things happening more or 492 00:29:32.089 --> 00:29:35.269 less at this time of 2012. So I actually believe 493 00:29:36.069 --> 00:29:40.299 that the public is interested because on some subconscious level, 494 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.319 there is information being received that 2012 is a real 495 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.039 date and an important date. And that's, you know, not 496 00:29:48.099 --> 00:29:50.730 the same as, you know, what you had in Y2K, 497 00:29:50.970 --> 00:29:55.009 which I think was a totally manufactured fascination with the end. 498 00:29:55.230 --> 00:29:58.369 You had some, you know, we changed our calendar. That's interesting. 499 00:29:58.630 --> 00:30:00.609 But from a scientific point of view, there was No 500 00:30:00.630 --> 00:30:04.009 validity to it whatsoever. Many computer companies and others found 501 00:30:04.059 --> 00:30:06.400 ways to make a fortune out of it. And that's 502 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:09.900 going to happen again here with 2012. But unlike the 503 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.720 year 2000, December 21st, 2012 seems to have some scientific 504 00:30:13.779 --> 00:30:17.960 validity as a date of something significant happening. Now, I 505 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.809 believe that this significant happening has to do with the 506 00:30:20.869 --> 00:30:24.460 transformation of vibration on a very subtle level. And so 507 00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.309 people who are vibrating at sort of a high level 508 00:30:27.769 --> 00:30:31.690 may actually experience a sensation of change. But for the 509 00:30:31.730 --> 00:30:33.849 majority of human beings, they're going to wake up on 510 00:30:33.869 --> 00:30:38.559 December 22nd, 2012, not really perceiving that anything has changed. 511 00:30:38.900 --> 00:30:41.400 But my own personal belief is there will have been 512 00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:44.619 the beginning of a subtle change that will increase over 513 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:46.420 time for many years. 514 00:30:47.589 --> 00:30:49.569 I believe that it's going to be a change that 515 00:30:49.769 --> 00:30:54.069 many people will wake up on December the 22nd expecting 516 00:30:54.190 --> 00:30:58.210 mass chaos, doom and gloom, and it's going to be 517 00:30:58.269 --> 00:31:00.589 just another beautiful day because they're not looking. 518 00:31:00.609 --> 00:31:02.309 I actually think it's going to be a more beautiful 519 00:31:02.349 --> 00:31:05.150 day than average, and actually it will be because so 520 00:31:05.170 --> 00:31:07.230 many people will be so relieved that they're still here, 521 00:31:07.430 --> 00:31:09.869 they'll start appreciating the simple things in life again. 522 00:31:09.950 --> 00:31:12.329 And then you've got the people who've written all these 523 00:31:12.490 --> 00:31:14.369 negative books of doom and gloom who are going to 524 00:31:14.410 --> 00:31:15.349 be hiding for the hills. 525 00:31:16.329 --> 00:31:18.589 No, because they'll have pocketed a lot of money, and 526 00:31:19.170 --> 00:31:23.190 they'll come and give some explanation, and then they'll find 527 00:31:23.230 --> 00:31:25.329 another date and go on and do it again. 528 00:31:25.730 --> 00:31:28.710 You know, when you go through history and look at 529 00:31:28.809 --> 00:31:32.849 all the different times that people like Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, 530 00:31:32.990 --> 00:31:34.789 and others have said the world is going to come 531 00:31:34.829 --> 00:31:37.759 to an end, and it doesn't, and yet people still 532 00:31:37.890 --> 00:31:41.380 believe in these guys. Like, hello, the light, you know, 533 00:31:41.420 --> 00:31:43.400 the wheel's going around, but the hamster's dead. 534 00:31:44.299 --> 00:31:47.180 Well... you know there it doesn't seem to be some 535 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:50.089 kind of morbid need you know why do we go 536 00:31:50.150 --> 00:31:52.490 to scary movies we'd like to be frightened we'd like 537 00:31:52.509 --> 00:31:55.809 to be scared uh... uh... you know i i don't 538 00:31:55.829 --> 00:32:00.529 really have an explanation for it it seems very you 539 00:32:00.569 --> 00:32:04.250 know implausible that there's going to be anything remotely similar 540 00:32:04.289 --> 00:32:07.170 to what this film twenty twelve is showing and yet 541 00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:10.490 you already have millions of people logging into their websites 542 00:32:10.569 --> 00:32:12.750 and you know preparing for the worst it just makes 543 00:32:12.789 --> 00:32:13.369 no sense to. 544 00:32:13.329 --> 00:32:19.599 Me 1-877-528-8255, toll free. My special guest this hour is 545 00:32:19.700 --> 00:32:31.799 William Gladstone, and his website is www. 12thebook. com. 546 00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:28.759 You know what? 547 00:32:28.779 --> 00:32:31.519 Let's see, the movie's coming out on the 13th. You 548 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.180 and I should get together on the 14th and see 549 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.180 what the newspapers and critics are saying about it. 550 00:32:37.220 --> 00:32:39.539 Well, I intend to actually go see the film on 551 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.250 the 13th because I want to be able to. talk 552 00:32:41.289 --> 00:32:43.650 firsthand about it, but, you know, I won't be in Toronto, 553 00:32:43.690 --> 00:32:47.299 but from California, let's look at our newspapers, your newspapers, 554 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:48.160 and see what happens. 555 00:32:48.220 --> 00:32:52.140 That sounds like a plan, because once again, you know, 556 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.420 I don't go to scary movies. If I want to 557 00:32:54.460 --> 00:32:57.609 get scared, I

just open up my wife's Visa bill. 558 00:32:58.609 --> 00:33:02.470 You know, that does it for me. But there are still, 559 00:33:02.650 --> 00:33:04.450 once again, as you and I were talking before, so 560 00:33:04.490 --> 00:33:08.609 many wonderful things in this planet and in our lives 561 00:33:08.650 --> 00:33:13.819 that we Well, most people really don't look at it 562 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:18.640 and can't accept it as a wonderful example. The birth 563 00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:19.200 of a child. 564 00:33:20.630 --> 00:33:24.150 It's a miracle. It's an absolute miracle. Every time, for 565 00:33:24.210 --> 00:33:25.609 every human being, it's a miracle. 566 00:33:25.769 --> 00:33:29.230 We don't need to go outside looking for paranormal or 567 00:33:29.329 --> 00:33:32.829 spiritual miracles. There are so many that. 568 00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:34.960 Well, one of the things I actually say in the 569 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.799 Novel of Twelve is that the highest form of spirituality 570 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:43.170 is experiencing joy. If there is, in fact, one divine 571 00:33:43.210 --> 00:33:46.089 intelligence in the universe or a creator, wouldn't such a 572 00:33:46.130 --> 00:33:50.039 divine intelligence want to experience joy in as many myriad 573 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.859 forms as possible? And therefore, your true spiritual goal and 574 00:33:54.980 --> 00:33:57.700 service is to experience joy in your life. And whether 575 00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.369 that's through, you know, the birth of a child, a 576 00:34:00.390 --> 00:34:03.849 walk in the park, a good meal, a nice smile. 577 00:34:03.869 --> 00:34:07.970 I mean, it's very simple. And just experiencing joy is 578 00:34:08.050 --> 00:34:11.980 probably the ultimate spiritual experience any human being can have. 579 00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:14.460 All right, stand by. William, you and I have to 580 00:34:14.500 --> 00:34:17.000 take our final break for this hour. XO Nation, my 581 00:34:17.019 --> 00:34:20.699 very special guest is William Gladstone. He is the author of. 582 00:34:22.610 --> 00:34:23.230 Are you ready for this? 583 00:34:23.650 --> 00:34:24.429 Okay. 584 00:34:24.909 --> 00:34:28.869 It's a book called The Twelve. It's about 2012. It's 585 00:34:28.929 --> 00:34:33.679 about looking at things in a positive manner. 586 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:35.050 I love it. 587 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:36.880 I can hardly wait to get it and read it. 588 00:34:37.099 --> 00:34:39.219 And William and I will be back on the other 589 00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:42.920 side of this commercial break. As we do continue, right 590 00:34:42.940 --> 00:34:45.300 here on Talkstar, 1-877-528-8255 is toll free. My email address 591 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:55.380 is xzone at talkstarradio.com. on MSN Messenger, TalkStarRadio at Hotmail.com, 592 00:34:55.420 --> 00:35:02.960 at our websites, www.xzoneradio.com and xzontv.com. I'll be back on 593 00:35:02.980 --> 00:35:05.889 the other side

of this commercial break as we continue 594 00:35:06.030 --> 00:35:09.289 on TalkStar with our special guest this hour, William Gladstone, 595 00:35:09.329 --> 00:35:17.219 the author of The Twelve, www.twelvethebook.com. That's number one, two, thebook.com. 596 00:35:17.610 --> 00:35:18.070 Don't go away. 597 00:35:18.090 --> 00:35:18.559 We'll be back. 598 00:35:20.909 --> 00:35:24.250 It's the end of the world. 599 00:35:59.909 --> 00:36:10.030 Time is on my side Yes it is Time is 600 00:36:10.170 --> 00:36:16.320 on my side Yes it is Now you always. 601 00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:38.679 Say www.twelvethebook.com is the website. My special guest this hour 602 00:36:38.820 --> 00:36:41.909 is William Gladstone. He is the author of The Twelve. 603 00:36:42.550 --> 00:36:44.570 First of all, William, thank you so much for joining 604 00:36:44.610 --> 00:36:47.769 us tonight. Uh, and for writing this novel where can 605 00:36:47.829 --> 00:36:50.269 listeners go and buy a copy of your book. 606 00:36:50.530 --> 00:36:53.960 Well in canada and every indigo it's been all the 607 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.400 major bookstores and of course you go to amazon dot 608 00:36:56.460 --> 00:36:59.579 com in the state it's been every barnes and noble 609 00:36:59.619 --> 00:37:03.179 every borders most of the independent bookstores it's been at 610 00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.929 least fifty five airport stores it's in some of the 611 00:37:05.949 --> 00:37:08.650 costco's so it's really pretty much everywhere you can also 612 00:37:08.869 --> 00:37:11.150 you just go to that website w w one to 613 00:37:11.170 --> 00:37:13.550 the book dot com and you can go link it 614 00:37:13.570 --> 00:37:15.190 to where you can purchase the book in your local 615 00:37:15.250 --> 00:37:17.969 area Also, there's a nice little two-and-a-half-minute video that sort 616 00:37:17.989 --> 00:37:19.610 of gives you an intro into the book. And one 617 00:37:19.630 --> 00:37:21.090 of the things I do want people to know, it's 618 00:37:21.170 --> 00:37:24.159 not a heavy, serious book. It's really very lighthearted. There's 619 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:25.980 sex right away in the beginning of the book to 620 00:37:26.019 --> 00:37:26.800 get your attention. 621 00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:28.820 Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, 622 00:37:28.820 --> 00:37:30.139 hold on. There's what? 623 00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:32.000 Sex. 624 00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:32.440 Sex. 625 00:37:32.510 --> 00:37:34.110 This is a book for people who like to read 626 00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:38.809 and have fun. This isn't some dry book about the 627 00:37:38.869 --> 00:37:42.969 end of the world or spirituality and you've got to 628 00:37:43.030 --> 00:37:46.170 give up everything. The main character, Max Duff, is kind 629 00:37:46.210 --> 00:37:49.159 of based on me. He enjoyed more than his share 630 00:37:49.219 --> 00:37:54.320 of beautiful women, very good living, lots of money, power, 631 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.980 all those things. And even this person ends up without 632 00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:02.090 seeking to be a key sort of spiritual player in 633 00:38:02.110 --> 00:38:04.630 the destiny of the world. That's one of the reasons 634 00:38:04.650 --> 00:38:07.869 people can identify... with the character and with the story. 635 00:38:08.090 --> 00:38:09.329 I wonder how many guys are going to be at 636 00:38:09.369 --> 00:38:11.150 a bar one night and say, listen, sweetheart, you know, 637 00:38:11.269 --> 00:38:14.320 I know I just met you 30 minutes ago, but 638 00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:17.579 you know what? The world's coming to an end. So 639 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:19.219 you really don't want to go on. 640 00:38:19.219 --> 00:38:21.139 Well, we should have been playing the kink song then. 641 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.500 Time won't let me. Time won't let me wait that long. 642 00:38:23.699 --> 00:38:26.489 We'll play that one the next time you're on with us. 643 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.599 These are fascinating days. These are days that are filled 644 00:38:32.659 --> 00:38:36.909 with excitement. They are filled with challenges. And a challenge 645 00:38:36.969 --> 00:38:37.510 is good. 646 00:38:37.530 --> 00:38:40.550 Well, I really tell this to people, and I sincerely 647 00:38:40.570 --> 00:38:43.550 believe this. Anyone who is alive on this planet today 648 00:38:43.730 --> 00:38:44.309 is blessed. 649 00:38:44.469 --> 00:38:44.690 Yes. 650 00:38:44.730 --> 00:38:47.739 Because it's not going to happen for another 26,000 years, 651 00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:50.800 if ever, to have the opportunity to be a major 652 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.960 player in whether this planet... evolved in a positive or 653 00:38:55.019 --> 00:38:57.780 negative way, and each and every one of your listeners 654 00:38:57.860 --> 00:39:00.320 out there has a role to play. And you are 655 00:39:00.409 --> 00:39:03.469 blessed to be here right now, rather than having been 656 00:39:03.489 --> 00:39:07.429 born maybe in 1312 in some village in France or 657 00:39:07.469 --> 00:39:10.829 something without any control or ability to communicate with other people. 658 00:39:11.190 --> 00:39:13.349 This is really a very special time to be on 659 00:39:13.389 --> 00:39:13.889 this planet. 660 00:39:14.409 --> 00:39:17.670 And I believe that we are going to change to 661 00:39:17.730 --> 00:39:21.010 be positive people. influences on each other. We are going 662 00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:24.019 to learn. We are going to exchange information. And finally, 663 00:39:24.139 --> 00:39:26.039 we will respect one another. 664 00:39:27.250 --> 00:39:29.369 Well, I'll tell you, that's actually got to be the 665 00:39:29.429 --> 00:39:32.090 first step. We've got to start respecting each other. And 666 00:39:32.110 --> 00:39:35.210 then all those other things happen almost effortlessly. That's really 667 00:39:35.250 --> 00:39:35.730 the first step. 668 00:39:36.070 --> 00:39:38.000 William, I want to thank you again for joining us tonight. 669 00:39:38.019 --> 00:39:40.559 I can't wait to speak to you after you see 670 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:43.300 the movie 2012. I guess you can give a. 671 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:44.880 I've got to go. I've got to find out what 672 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.179 these people are putting out there. I wouldn't normally go, but, 673 00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:49.449 you know, I know it's going to be sort of whiz-bang, 674 00:39:49.469 --> 00:39:51.130 a lot of visuals. But if you want the real 675 00:39:51.150 --> 00:39:53.489 truth about 2012, read the novel, The Twelve. 676 00:39:55.170 --> 00:39:57.170 William, thank you very much for joining us. Have a 677 00:39:57.210 --> 00:40:01.420 safe trip back home, and I look forward to talking 678 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:01.909 to you on the 14th. 679 00:40:03.070 --> 00:40:04.949 I look forward to talking to you as well. Thank 680 00:40:04.969 --> 00:40:05.590 you so much. 681 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:16.920 My pleasure. William Gladstone has been our guest this hour, www. 12thebook. com. 682 00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:13.880 Still to come on tonight, show Michelle Payton will be 683 00:40:13.900 --> 00:40:15.800 with us, and I think I'm going to get on 684 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:22.949 my soapbox and talk about Balloon Boy, because now apparently 685 00:40:24.650 --> 00:40:28.369 the Heeneys have hired a lawyer to go after the sheriff. 686 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:33.050 My name's Rob McConnell. This is the X-Zone on TalkStar.