บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ We Want to Try it All! Sample Different Somatic & Witchy Modalities with Kanjana Hartshorne, LCSW, C-IAYT, Reiki Master, CCFP

there's also a payment plan version, which is$33 off each payment for the three-month payment plan. 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.520 And that code is Witchy100PP. 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:24.879 We wanted to make sure that you knew as you were listening that there are two amazing options coming up, and one of them is actually happening this September. 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:27.120 We hope that you enjoy the show. 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:32.879 Hello everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Witchy Therapist Podcast. 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.599 We are so excited to have Kangena with us today. 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:43.039 And in a little bit, as always, we'll share about her and I'll share with everyone how Kanja and I connected. 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:48.960 But first of all, um we want to start the way we always do with Stacy and I sharing our Witchy resources this week. 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.319 So, Stacy, what is a resource you would like to share? 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:57.439 I have been trying to dropped my pen on the floor. 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:04.960 I have been trying to add a little bit more ritual into my daily life. 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:10.080 And I've been revisiting the book Monday Magic by Molly Donlin. 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:26.639 And I feel like it's probably okay to say that she will be a guest on the podcast in season two, which I'm very excited about because D Mystify Magic, her podcast, was I think the first witchy podcast I ever listened to. 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.199 Stacey, this is hilarious. 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.560 I almost brought that book as my resource. 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:37.199 I just got it because you have told me about it. 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:44.639 And last night I was reading it in the bath and I'm basically now just sharing it as my resource as well because it was so good. 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.400 It was so good. 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:50.319 I could not believe how packed it is with information. 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:51.199 Could not believe it. 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:58.960 Because I feel like oftentimes you get books like that and they have a little bit of good information and either a lot of fluff or not a lot of anything. 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:00.800 It is packed with good information. 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:01.919 It would have been hilarious. 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.080 Now I do wish I brought it as my resource. 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:08.080 I wanted more time to like, I know, I wanted more time to read it. 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:12.000 It was my first, like I was just, I was kind of jumping around because you can do that with it. 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:13.599 So I was like looking at different sections. 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:13.919 Yes. 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:15.840 And I was like, oh, should I bring this tomorrow? 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:16.800 And then I was like, you know what? 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:20.079 I'm gonna, I'm gonna read it more, but that would have been so funny. 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:21.360 Yeah. 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:28.879 And I I did a video, a reel um of like beginner witchy books, and I did not include this one. 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.959 And somebody had commented and said, This is a great book too. 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:42.879 And I said, Well, you know, I got the signed copy from um Spellcrafter, which is her co-host on the podcast um store. 00:04:43.360 --> 00:05:02.000 Because of course I wanted the signed copy, but then I also got the audio book because as an ADHDer, you know, there are times when I'm like, I'm gonna listen to the book, and then there's times when I want the physical copy for like the simmer pot recipes and stuff, which she does have a download with the audiobook, but I just really wanted to have both. 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:14.480 I mean, another thing that was super impressive about it is all of the um like tables in the back with like here's all the herbs and all of their uses, here's all the crystals and all of their uses. 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:21.519 And so for me, definitely I agree I would like a physical book for that kind of thing, but that's very cool that she does a download. 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:24.639 And does that include those like tables and and stuff? 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:26.319 I'm sure it does. 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:32.079 I didn't download it since I do have the book, but I know she had mentioned that you could do that. 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:37.199 Well, this is just gonna be a resource that's gonna reoccur because it really is that good. 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:38.959 So I'm so excited. 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:47.120 Um yeah, and I think anything, you know, I started doing, and I can't remember if it's in the book or it was on just on her Instagram. 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:56.480 But when I make my coffee in the morning, setting intentions and stirring in the Reiki symbols, and that just feels like a great way to start the day. 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:11.040 But I would also like to do other things throughout the day that just make it a little bit more magical and kind of bring me back to, you know, me and my body and not just like therapy, telehealth, you know. 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:22.639 Well, what I was so impressed by, among many things, when I was just browsing through it, is that um there is like no area of life that she does not have an idea for how you can make the mundane magic. 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:28.240 So, like she talked about taking out the trash and like the intentions that you can set when you're taking out the trash. 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:32.319 Like, we love to talk about that with like, you know, our showers or our baths or things like that. 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:34.560 But like literally, there was nothing. 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:42.879 I don't know how long she must have spent thinking of what is every single thing that a human being might do on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. 00:06:43.040 -->

00:06:47.360 She talked about when you're paying your taxes, like everything. 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:49.839 And I was just like, oh my gosh, I love this. 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:56.000 I feel like it was probably one of those things where she was thinking, how do I make this for me? 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:01.279 And then I turn it into a book too, because you know, cleaning your kitchen. 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:05.519 She's always doing videos of like, we have to clean this kitchen, let's make it magical. 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:11.279 Because yeah, like all of the housework stuff, uh, there's just no dopamine in it. 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:12.000 There's not. 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:13.920 Yes, exactly. 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:14.959 Exactly. 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.480 Ah, well, that is so so fun, and it would have been hilarious. 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:22.879 And I wish I had it here on my desk because I could have at least, but it's actually up by the bathtub. 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:24.480 That makes sense. 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.600 Exactly, because I'll read it again in the bathtub tonight. 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.279 Yeah, but what did you choose for your witchy resource? 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.319 So this is something I have never done before. 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:38.720 And what I actually chose, and I gave it a lot of thought because I was like, is that weird to do? 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.360 But I decided it wasn't, and you can both tell me if it was. 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:48.639 I actually chose as a resource the resources that our guest today, Kanjana, has. 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:59.519 Because yeah, similar to what we were just talking about with Molly's book, Kanjana has so many resources and she does so many things. 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:03.360 Uh, she's definitely one of those people that you're like, how do you do all of these things? 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:05.439 And how do you have so many resources? 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:11.360 So, you know, I think the first place, Kanjana, that I saw your resources was on Instagram. 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:18.720 And the reels that you make about somatic work and embodied living and all of those things are just so wonderful. 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.759 And so that's a really easy access point for people if you're looking. 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:23.759 Well, what are Kangena's resources? 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:25.040 Is her Instagram. 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:28.560 Although you actually have a couple Instagrams, so I do. 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:31.279 As do I. 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:33.519 So I can't uh I can't get on that. 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:34.399 But um yes. 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.840 Oh yeah, Stacey, you have like seven Instagrams. 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:41.039 Amazing. 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:47.519 The cake with the Instagram because the ADHD makes me make me start businesses before I realized I had ADHD. 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.399 And I was like, oh, starting businesses is how I get my dopamine. 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:51.039 Oops. 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:55.919 Okay, but I want to share some of Kanjana's other resources. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:04.879 I'm sure that she will share resources, but okay, so then I got connected to Kanjana through her courses, and she has so many kinds of courses that I am still learning. 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.919 I still come across things on the internet that I'm like, what? 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.879 I didn't know that Kanjana also did this. 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.360 So we'll have to ask you about some of them, Kanjana. 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:19.200 But for instance, one that she recently did was a CE course about falconry. 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.720 Oh, yeah, unexpected. 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:25.120 That's so cool. 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:26.000 So cool. 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:32.240 Um, she has a very cool um whole training thing coming up, the somatic sampler that we're definitely gonna talk about on this podcast. 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:33.919 So I won't go too far into that. 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:46.879 But she also is going to be hosting um like a, I'm not sure exactly what you'd call it, Kanchima, like an online hub for CEs, for therapists, like evergreen trainings that people can access over and over again. 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:50.000 I'm actually gonna be doing one on Mother Maiden Crone for that. 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:51.360 So very excited about that. 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:52.639 Oh, I love that. 00:09:52.879 --> 00:10:04.799 But then I just learned, I just stumbled across this randomly, that she also does international retreats, which I did not know, and she has one about romanticy in Scotland. 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:07.759 Yeah, yes. 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.120 I was like, I know charity's into romanticies, Stacy. 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:17.360 Are you like very much a non-fiction or thrillers kind of a person? 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:18.720 You know what? 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:23.200 I just realized this is going to air, I believe, the week that Sarah J. 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.000 Moss's new Aquatar book comes out. 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.240 Oh, yes, I believe. 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:32.000 So for everybody who so let's see, what day of the week does that come out? 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.200 I'm gonna look at my calendar because I think I think it's the 26th. 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.279 I think it's the 26th because there's a a release at the bookstore near me. 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:40.639 Yes, amazing. 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.840 And so actually, you would air the next day, the 27th. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:44.159 Perfect. 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:49.360 And I wonder if it's midnight, like is that Sunday into Monday that her book releases or Monday into Tuesday? 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.240 Anyways, it'll be right around that same time. 00:10:52.399 --> 00:11:02.799 So, for any listeners who are also romantic fans and who are

maybe also, like perhaps Kanj and I are doing waiting with Bated Breath for the next Avatar book. 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.679 I don't know if you're an Avatar fan, but you knew about your book release. 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:07.360 Yes, exactly. 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.960 Um, a romanticy retreat in Scotland. 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:12.240 I cannot get over it. 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.399 And this is their CE retreats as well. 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:17.200 And I know you have a bunch of other very cool things. 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:33.279 So I just feel like you have so many creative ways and at all different access points, you know, whether it's like um an Instagram reel or it's uh the somatic sampler online version or it's like a full conference or it's a romantic retreat in Scotland. 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:36.159 So, really, when I was thinking about well, what is a good resource? 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.919 I look at you as a resource, and you have so many resources for therapists. 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:43.840 Um, so that's what I wanted to share, which kind of got us into your bio. 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.200 But I'm gonna let Stacy share your real bio. 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:54.000 And you know, maybe Stacy, just since we're here, I kind of already shared sort of how Kanja and I met. 00:11:54.480 --> 00:12:02.159 Um, but actually, I think our first connection point might have been that we're both presenting at a conference next August in Seattle. 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:05.440 Um, and so that's the Therapist Evolution Summit. 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:07.600 Kanja and I will both be presenting at. 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:17.440 And so I think we became a little connected that way, and then through your conference in January, which I'm also presenting at, and we just have had a bunch of points of connection come up, um, which is really cool. 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:22.000 So, do you want to share Kangen's official vial so everybody can hear all about her? 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:22.960 Yes. 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:32.480 Kanjina Harthorn takes therapy beyond the couch and into the world through nature, movement, art, music, and energy. 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:46.000 As a psychotherapist, yoga therapist, and breaking master, she helps people discover transformation through the body, breath, sound, and creative or spiritual practices that align with their values. 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:57.440 As founder of Healing Hearts Models, Confina leads a team of somatic therapists, redefining what modern healing as rounded in science and infused with spirit. 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:11.840 Through Launter Home Retreats, her continuing education and retreat brand for therapists, she creates immersive learning experiences that invite clinicians to reconnect with their own healing and bring that aliveness back to their work. 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:20.080 Her retreats and seeing programs explore every layer of being, physical, energetic, emotional, intuitive, and spiritual. 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:32.480 Now we are also internationally. 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:35.039 Yes. 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.799 And when you were reading the different layers, I was like, where's the romanticy? 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:40.720 That's a layer of our being, right? 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:41.600 Yes. 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:43.519 Definitely. 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:45.279 At least you and me. 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:45.840 Exactly. 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:47.279 Some of us, some of us. 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:54.000 Although, Stacey, I do feel like since you love like horror and stuff, it all fits into paranormal, right? 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:59.600 Like whether it's about the Fey or vampires or ghosts or whatever, it's all paranormal. 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:00.240 That's true. 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:02.799 There is a whole dark romantic category. 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:04.159 That's so true. 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:05.519 Yes. 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:10.399 Now we can't get, I mean, we probably could, but we shouldn't get too into books. 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:25.840 But now I was I thought that the dark stuff was like serial killers and like like creepy stuff, not like supernatural, but I could be wrong because I just sort of tangentially pick up things on the internet. 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:27.120 Interesting. 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:31.840 I mean, I've never read a uh serial killer romantic, but that does not mean it's not out there. 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.559 Yeah, I know there definitely is one. 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:35.039 Yeah. 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:38.399 That's what I stumbled across. 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:39.279 Oh wow. 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.279 So what comes to my mind is a book that I read last year, I think, Alchemized. 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:44.799 Conjunct, have you read Alchemized? 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:45.440 I haven't. 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:46.960 I'm writing it on my list though. 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:51.440 So ridiculously good, everybody, but so many content warnings for all the things. 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:52.320 Ah, okay. 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.600 I um I don't ever know what a book is about when I get it. 00:14:55.679 --> 00:15:05.039 And so I had no idea when I got this book from the library that it was actually it started as fanfic, which there's so much great romanticity that starts as fanfic. 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:08.480 Um, the fanfic people might know is Manicold. 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:13.279 And I do think Manicold did really well, especially in sort of like the dark fantasy world. 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:33.919 Um, it is a uh well, I won't go, I won't, I won't explain it all, but um, because it was so popular, it ended up being becoming published as you know, I don't want to say a real book, but an off-the-internet book published by a publisher company, and it's like 900 pages, and I spent all day one weekend just sucked into this world. 00:15:34.000 -->

00:15:36.080 It was so good and so horrifying. 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:42.000 Talk about dark, it was horrifying, and I don't do horror, but I was really sucked in and I don't regret it. 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.639 So take take that with uh some content warnings. 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:46.159 But um, thank you. 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:49.440 I like getting sucked in, but I'll I'll double check the content warnings. 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.720 Yeah, yeah, I mean like for everything, yeah. 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:58.399 Yeah, I'm usually the category of book where it's like they held hands and then fade to dark. 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:05.679 Yeah, this is actually throne of glass, a little more than Avatar. 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:10.159 Oh, yes, like they both have their different Yes, I gotcha. 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.480 Oh, I'm so glad this is coming out the same week as Avatar. 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:13.759 That was that's a happy accident. 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:19.360 So maybe listening right now who's maybe people have delayed this because they're reading Aquatar. 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:20.399 Oh yeah. 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:22.879 Yeah, reading it at midnight. 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:23.279 Exactly. 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.200 For people who are not as plugged into books and stuff. 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:31.519 I don't know if you said before that that is a gourd of thorns thorns and roses, yes. 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:33.279 Yes, exactly. 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:41.039 For anybody, it's a very popular fantasy series, and um I kind of used that one, a lot of Sarah J. 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:53.840 Mouse's work, uh to pull different themes or things that like you may pick up, like this character is really good at this, or this series focuses on energy work. 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.120 This series has someone who can speak to animals. 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:00.240 So we're gonna do falconry, we're gonna do Reiki. 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:07.440 Um gosh, there's a lot of like, I don't want to give it all away, but like it's all themed. 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.680 Um so you feel the hope is that you feel like you're in one of the books and you're okay. 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:19.119 Oh my gosh, uh photo shoot uh with a professional photographer in front of like Castle y grounds. 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:23.359 So lots of fun, kind of nerdy, witchy stuff. 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:25.200 Oh my gosh, that is amazing. 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:31.200 Well, at the end, you'll definitely have to tell people how to sign up for that retreat because again, everybody's just rereading Aquatar right now. 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:38.960 I actually just uh read this morning that all of the Akatar and the Throne of Glass books have jumped to the top of the bestseller lists again as people prepare. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:43.279 Yeah, yeah, as people prepare for the new books to come out. 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:44.960 That's awesome. 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:46.559 Pretty cool. 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.960 Well, we could keep going that route, but you know, we're gonna wander on back. 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:56.319 So to use Kanjana's uh the name of one of her businesses, Wander Home, we're gonna wander on back home now. 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:57.680 And we're gonna ask you. 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:03.680 Well, it's come, it's certainly come up already, but what does it mean to you, Kanjana, to be a witchy therapist? 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:10.400 Yeah, I feel like when I first heard that, it felt really narrow. 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:18.640 But what it means to be now feels like it's not one aesthetic, you know, and it's not like a claim to have secret answers or anything. 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:36.000 It's more like permission to be a whole person, like all those different layers of the self and have room for symbolism, ritual, pieces of ancestral healing that maybe were forgotten or maybe your therapist doesn't know about because you have a different background. 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:42.079 Um, mystery, creativity, uh, any kind of way really to make meaning. 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:49.440 And I think it can really vary therapist to therapist, or even like clients coming in wanting to see a witchy therapist. 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:57.920 We may have completely different backgrounds, which I think is cool because you know you're coming into a non-job, non non-judgmental, there we go, space. 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:09.359 Um, and that creates an element of safety, and then you don't feel like you have to hide this part of yourself instead of being like your whole self in therapy, which like we kind of need all of you. 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:30.799 Um for me, that's kind of what it is, these practices and interventions that might be dismissed by mainstream therapy or training, um where like the thing that comes up is ethics, or like where's the evidence, or uh, you know, there is a lot of evidence behind it. 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.680 It's just yeah, using ancestral names. 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:43.039 And some of the things we do in Western psychotherapy are exactly the same as those practices with a non-witchy or non-cultural name. 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:43.359 Yeah. 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:45.680 And those things are accepted. 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:51.680 So I think it is part of our like cultural competency to start to open up to include these processes. 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.319 What a beautiful framing. 00:19:54.480 --> 00:20:01.119 I've actually never heard anybody say that, that it's part of cultural competency to open up to those practices. 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:09.759 And before you shared that, I also really loved the layered aspect that you were talking about, and you know, this being your whole self and all of the layers that that includes. 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:12.000 And I do feel like you really embody that. 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:22.960 You are somebody who is, you know, your whole

self and what you offer to the world includes so many layers, whether it's about falconry or romantic or somatic work or anything else. 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:24.400 I mean, what you see is what you get. 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:25.519 I'm pretty transparent. 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:28.640 So, like if you ask me a thing, you're gonna hear the answer to it. 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:34.480 And I even texted charity this morning, was like, I'm a little anxious because daycare is closed and I have a three-year-old. 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:36.319 And she was so kind. 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:38.079 She was like, it doesn't matter, we don't care. 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:39.839 Like, tell your anxious parts it's fine. 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:41.279 And I was like, Oh, yes, this is great. 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:46.400 Like, look at us being so real and like this doesn't have to be stressful, you know. 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.359 We get some curveballs and we're going with the flow. 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:50.240 That's right. 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.440 And we if she appears, we so welcome her to be here. 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:56.799 As well as all the all the anxious parts too. 00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:58.319 Yes, of course. 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:00.799 Yeah, they feel so much better after that text. 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:02.079 So we're good. 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:03.759 Yeah. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:09.519 And if we're showing up as old people, I think that that makes clients feel more comfortable to do that too. 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:25.599 I've talked in our quantum healing hypnosis technique episodes about when I did a past life regression, I was seeing a therapist and I was afraid to talk about my experience with her, even though I needed to process it because I thought this was gonna think about us. 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:27.440 Yeah. 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:29.119 Yeah, absolutely. 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:32.960 It's that, you know, neuroception that our nervous systems do. 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:46.240 We can tell if somebody is actually not judging us or welcoming all parts of us or whatever it is, or if they are secretly judging us because they're also judging that within themselves. 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:50.799 Yeah, well, I think in that case it was probably more me judging that in myself. 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:57.920 She was pretty open when I finally talked about it and was like, EMDR to process past life stuff. 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:06.640 But it just Yeah, I think it took me being like okay, I can be can be weird, what I'm all weird. 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.640 I love that you brought that up though, because that's exactly what Kanjana was just saying. 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:23.599 Like, and I know so this episode, okay, by the time this episode airs with that they're we're doing right now, the episode about my QHT experience with Stacy will have aired and people will have heard me compare it to EMDR. 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:29.279 And what you were, yeah, and what you were saying, Kanjana, with you know, we we call things one thing. 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:37.440 Like here's this Western evidence-based protocol EMDR, or here's this hypnosis past life regression technique. 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:42.000 But honestly, my embodied experience of them, they were pretty similar to each other. 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:44.000 That's really cool and interesting. 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:45.440 I'm excited to listen to that. 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:46.799 It was super cool. 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:47.839 Super, super cool. 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:49.599 Thank you again to Stacey. 00:22:51.519 --> 00:23:02.799 I feel like that sort of brings us to one of our questions was how do you decide what to what practices to bring into the therapy? 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:04.960 Yeah. 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:09.200 Um, I think the number one thing always is consent, right? 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:16.640 So, like, am I just super excited about this practice and I'm gung-ho, or like, do they actually want this? 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:18.559 Do they understand it? 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.720 Um is it clear that they can change their mind at any time? 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.559 Like we could be in the middle and they could say, just cannon, I'm out. 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:33.839 Um, you know, just making sure they know what are the guidelines and what are the boundaries of this and that they have permission at any point. 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.359 Uh, I think competency is a piece of it. 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:43.680 So there's some things I really love that I would not say I'm trained in bringing into a clinical space. 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:48.799 Uh I might bring them in in a different way with the client leading rather than me. 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:50.720 So I don't have a background in tarot. 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:51.839 I think it's super cool. 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:53.599 I've been to a handful of trainings. 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:56.880 I don't feel like that's enough for me to bring that into session. 00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:01.680 But sometimes a client wants to draw a card at the start and they want to interpret it. 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:02.880 Totally fine. 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:04.480 They're making their own meaning. 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.400 I'm not doing any of that. 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.599 I'm just sitting there through that process. 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:19.839 Uh, and you know, maybe offering some processing and things like that, some reflection, but I'm not explaining what the cards mean to them because that's not something I'm confident in. 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.880 It's cool, maybe one day, but not today. 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.680 Among all the other things that you're doing, yes. 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:27.119 Yeah, exactly. 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:28.480 Like I like a lot of other things. 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:29.839 So, you know, you have to pick.

00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:30.559 You do. 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:31.839 That's what you do. 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:32.799 I know. 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:35.759 I struggle with picking because I like all of them. 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:36.480 They're all cool. 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:36.799 Yeah. 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:43.279 Um, I think another piece is really honoring the heritage of the practice. 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:53.119 Um, so rather than appropriating, like acknowledging to say, like, this is where it came from, this is how I know about it, here's the lineage. 00:24:53.359 --> 00:25:06.880 Um, so it doesn't feel like we're extracting or whitewashing practices, which can be especially triggering for clients of color when they're in a space with a white therapist who then gives them back their culture with you know stripped down. 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:13.920 And if you're real brave, you can be call your therapist in on that, but it's really hard in that dynamic. 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:15.599 So hard, exactly. 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:19.200 And like no one's intending harm with that, right? 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:24.559 It's just a like I didn't realize, uh, but the the impact is still harmful. 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.599 So I think that's a big piece to remember. 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:32.640 And then I think really, where is my client right here, right now? 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.279 So, like, what's the context of their nervous system? 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:39.519 Is it appropriate for us to engage with whatever this practice is? 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:46.559 Um, how is it gonna what's our best guess as to how it may impact them from our previous work? 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:54.079 And you know, hopefully we're not diving into something really intense if we haven't gotten a feel for what their nervous system is like. 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:58.079 Yes, yes, those are all such important considerations. 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.880 And the very first one that you said, I was like, oh yeah, I've definitely been there. 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:06.640 The I'm so excited about something, some new, you know, technique or training or information. 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:15.519 And not always, I've you know, there have been times that I've put that out there to somebody out of my own excitement and not out of their need for that. 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.880 So I think every everything you just shared is important. 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:36.480 And the consent piece too is maybe the charity about you talking about the first time you had Reiki and how you didn't feel comfortable with the way you were playing and you didn't know if she was gonna touch you or not, and she wasn't telling you where she was in the room, so it wasn't trauma informed. 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.039 Right, right, absolutely. 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:56.799 It's it's always fascinating to me how every conversation we have with every therapist or healer on this podcast, whatever it means to them to be witchy, which ever it's been something different for everybody, that really being trauma-informed is the heart of it, is what it what it all comes back to. 00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:58.720 I think that makes a lot of sense. 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.599 You don't want to f around and find out with this kind of work. 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.440 Yeah, exactly. 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:04.480 Exactly. 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:15.599 Well, we we are we're gonna do something um maybe a little bit different, which is use actually your upcoming um training, the somatic sampler, to kind of talk through some of this in a really practical way. 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:22.559 And so um, because it's such a great um sort of living embodiment of everything that we're talking about. 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:37.920 And so just to kind of set the stage for this, if you could tell our listeners about what is the somatic sampler, because it is actually something that they could attend if they would like to, there is a virtual component that people could attend from anywhere, or of course they could come to Pennsylvania and join us, which would be so cool. 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:49.359 Um, but also if people are like, oh, I don't need any CEs or I don't feel like doing that, I think they can learn a lot as we talk through just this vision that you had, which is so creative, like everything that you do. 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:57.119 Um so first of all, so we're gonna we're gonna talk through some things using that as the example, but first of all, can you tell us what the somatic sampler is in its two iterations? 00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:58.240 Yes, yeah. 00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.079 So it's like a part one and part two. 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.880 And the idea is that you get to sample a lot of different somatic modalities. 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:09.839 Uh, I love topas, you know, so it's like that, but for therapy, right? 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:15.759 So just like I said, I love learning and kind of have a problem not signing up for every cool workshop I see. 00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:19.599 Part of the challenge of that is figuring out what am I training in neck. 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:25.279 So you get to see them rather than read a description on a page like a website or a textbook. 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:31.839 I feel like that does not give me an idea of what is my day-to-day life gonna look like if I study this and bring it into my work. 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:35.599 Like, what is it actually gonna look like being a fly on the wall for the session? 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.400 And what is it gonna feel like in my nervous system every day? 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.000 Because I love bringing yoga and meditation into session. 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:47.119 Uh, so I love to bring yoga therapy into session because it's so helpful for me personally. 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:56.079 Obviously, it's really helpful for my clients, but that's a big

piece of why it's uh the main focus of my practice is I'm constantly moving my body. 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:01.119 I'm constantly practicing Reiki, I'm meditating in most sessions. 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:05.680 And that's taking care of me, which helps me to better care for my clients. 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:10.559 Uh, so you know, that made a lot of sense to me when I lived it. 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.799 But when I read about it on paper, I wasn't sure if it was the right one. 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:33.039 So that's the idea of the somatic sampler, is it lets you have a little taste of each one so you can figure out what feels right for your nervous system, what blends well with your current modalities, and what makes sense for your practice so it's sustainable and you're not burning out doing things that drain you, right? 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:40.319 Like I'm doing things that fill me up, so I feel pretty good at the end of the session, which is nice. 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:48.480 Um, I think all the time, like, and I know there's so there's so much wrong in our field, of course, and there's so much that we could talk about systemically that's an issue. 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:54.079 But at the end of the day, I just feel so lucky that the work I do is good for me too. 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:57.759 And, you know, so I do incorporate yoga into into my therapy. 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:15.359 Stacy incorporates Reiki into hers, like whatever it is, um, that even if it's, you know, not something that people might consider witchy, like if it's mindfulness or um breath, you know, whatever it is that we are so lucky that we get to do these practices in our job. 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.599 And like you said, hopefully end the day. 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:28.480 Yes, of course, there's so much burnout in the field and there's so much that it can take from us, but hopefully, if we're actually getting to practice these in session, then then we're not ending the day in total depletion. 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:38.559 And I think it's such an awesome idea to let therapists sample these because you know, here we are talking about all the cool CEs that there are in the world, all the amazing options. 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:39.759 How do we choose? 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:49.200 Well, going to something like this and experiencing a little bit of everything, your little topas buffet of all of the different modalities because there's 11 modalities, right? 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.559 That you're gonna be and actually more with the breakout sessions. 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:57.599 So actually, if you included the breakout sessions, it's probably like 17 or 18. 00:30:57.920 --> 00:30:58.240 Yeah. 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:01.920 I know, I know. 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.720 So tell people about the two options. 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:06.079 Yeah, yeah. 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.640 So I definitely wanted it to feel accessible. 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:17.359 So if people don't want to come to Pennsylvania where you know I am and some of the speakers are too, uh, they have the option to do something virtual. 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:33.519 So part one is uh a panel, and there will be 11 speakers, and we'll have one case study, and then each person will kind of go down the line, rapid fire, no death by PowerPoint, explaining this is how my modality would approach this case. 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:41.119 And because I love a good double dip, just like the, you know, your everyday life stuff being your rituals, right? 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.759 So the double dip is that the case study is a burnt-out therapist. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:55.680 So you can also maybe get some ideas for your own self-care or something that I struggled with was figuring out what type of therapy is right for me. 00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:01.440 Like, do I want to try EMDR, IFS, like as a client. 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:07.200 So hopefully this would be helpful in more than one way, both personally and professionally. 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:19.279 And then the in-person is each speaker, instead of just having 15, 20 minutes, is gonna have 90 minutes, an hour to 90 minutes to dive deep into their session. 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:25.440 And then we have breakout rooms to choose from, and charity's doing one of those that I'm really excited for. 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.079 Uh, and a lot of really, I think, witchy or witchy adjacent topics. 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:41.359 We have ecotherapy, trauma-informed shamanism, ancestral healing and family systems, uh, hypnosis and past life regression, brain spotting. 00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:42.319 It's a long list. 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:43.920 I'm gonna say like 16 things. 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:54.960 But that's actually one of the presenters, which I did not know, Kanjana, until we got on a call a few weeks ago in preparation for the the training was Jodi Silverman, who we interviewed on the podcast. 00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.599 When we're talking to you, Kanjana, that episode just aired this week. 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:06.640 Um so for our listeners, it will have been a couple months ago, but um it uh it she's gonna be presenting on Reiki. 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:11.200 And Stacey and I loved her approach to Reiki that she shared with us on the podcast. 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.319 Yeah, and she's also gonna be doing some CEs too. 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:18.799 So hopefully we'll we'll get some of those available um on demand. 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:20.559 Oh, that's so great. 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:26.640 Curious for myself, but I I saw you and also I saw you taking those now. 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.240 Is the virtual panel happening beforehand? 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.400 So then if people wanted to come to Pennsylvania, they could exactly. 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:44.960 Yeah, so that way you get to see not all of the presenters, but a good chunk, and you'll have an idea of like, oh, I really

want to hear more from this person or a couple people. 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:55.519 And I've seen most of these folks speak, and like some of the talks, I was, you know, just going to a conference to have fun and hang out with other therapists, and I'm like, that just like blew my mind. 00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:01.039 So I'm so psyched, like learning EMDR through rhythm, like that's gonna be really cool. 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.839 Polyvagel theory through sound healing. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.119 Uh, it's it's gonna be some witchy stuff. 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:13.039 It is, you know, I know it's called the somatic sampler, but honestly, it's a it's like the witchy therapy sampler. 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:14.000 It really, really is. 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:18.480 And there's also very, you know, EMDR and brain spotting are both on the docket. 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:21.360 Um, human design, which I'm super excited for. 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:22.800 Um, so many. 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:23.519 Yeah. 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:29.199 And what's really cool is like each of these speakers has built a practice around this modality. 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.920 And you'll see how they've kind of made it their own and blended it with other things at the summit. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:40.159 So you can really get a feel for not being stuck in a rigid model and how that can look. 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.840 Uh, and they all have successful careers based around that. 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.039 So that I feel like is a nice confidence booster for me. 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:54.320 Studying something new is like I can actually see what it looks like if it works out, and you know, I decide to pursue this long term. 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.159 Here's what my career might look like, or one way it could look. 00:34:58.480 --> 00:34:58.719 Yeah. 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:03.280 Katie May is presenting on somatic DBT and what a cool blend. 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.599 You know, like we're all familiar, of course, with Debbie Church. 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:06.719 Yeah, I know. 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.119 And talk about somebody who's built a career around something. 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:15.440 Katie has a uh pretty extensive publishing, speaking career around her DBT practice. 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:34.559 So I think that's that's just so cool, Kantana, that again, you're offering people the opportunity to taste all these different kinds of somatic or witchy or whatever practices, to experience in the case study, oh, if if this is me, if I'm the burnt out therapist, which of course we all are at some point, um, how would this look for me? 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:40.880 Maybe it helps me choose a therapist, but also what it would look like for me to get trained in any of those modalities. 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:50.719 And then to see firsthand from some people who are wildly successful in their career, what could it look like to shape a practice around those modalities? 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.719 It's just such a cool offering. 00:35:53.039 --> 00:36:02.639 And I hope that the culture of this also kind of permeates, especially with younger clinicians, that the idea is that there's so many paths to healing. 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.719 One is not better than the other. 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:15.760 It's what's a better fit for me as a clinician, what's a better fit for my clients that I, you know, work with, uh, and what feels good in my nervous system that I can actually continue to do it. 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.960 Because did CBT for a long time, not for me. 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:30.079 I did uh play therapy for a long time, hospice, loved them both, and I now have found something that I'm not gonna hit burnout again because I'm taking care of myself better. 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.119 Yes, you know, as a part of my practice. 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:33.760 Yes. 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:42.159 And I also love how at the in-person conference you're giving us the opportunities to also experience a lot of those outside of the CE session. 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.280 So I I think the conference is like Thursday to Sunday. 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:57.199 And every day, multiple times a day, there are offerings of maybe I'll let you tell us about that, but like there's an opening offering, there's so many different beautiful ways to hold space and embodiment. 00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:59.519 Yeah, I'm so excited for that. 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:03.199 And a lot of the speakers are offering practitioner sessions. 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:17.360 So if you want to try a one-on-one and get to do some sound healing or, you know, some breath work or find out more about your human design and what it means to you, you can sign up with them for a private or small group. 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:22.960 Um, and then some of the like, I love little details and making something an experience. 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.280 Um, like I love immersion. 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:29.039 So Thursday night, we're gonna start with Kirtan and it's optional. 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.480 You don't have to participate, but it's call and response. 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.159 So we'll bring in the local community because we're at an ashram. 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:43.599 So it's a way for us to kind of join together with them, thank them for having us in their space and all come together and practice. 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.639 And they'll lead us if any of us feel a little nervous. 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.679 They're very used to practicing Kirtan together. 00:37:49.920 --> 00:38:03.519 So I think that'll be a nice community building opener, you know, and I'll have some neurodivergent friendly things there because I can't do loud spaces, bright lights, and like lots of movement. 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:05.199 And I know I'm not the only one. 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.840 So I'll have earplugs for everyone, some fidgets and like a

social battery pin. 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:14.159 So if you're like, I want to be here, but don't talk to me or look at me, just move it over. 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.079 We got you. 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:21.840 I just think you just have those in life, like social battery pin. 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:27.280 Yeah, I I literally have it in my purse so I can like take it out and put it on my coat if I need it. 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:28.639 That's amazing. 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.280 Well, I have earplugs, loops. 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:45.039 I'm sure most neurodivergent people are familiar with loops, and you know, I carry the loops, um, conversation or whatever they're called, so that you can still hear what's going on around you in my bag at all times because you just never know. 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:46.000 Yes. 00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:46.400 Yeah. 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:52.719 And the same way I have the flares because they're a little softer and loop was too hard for my sensory sensitivities. 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:54.480 Oh, yeah. 00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:13.119 Well, and what a perfect example, even that is, like talking about different, you know, aids to be, you know, supporting our nervous systems and our bodies through this life of again what it means to be a witchy therapist, whether it's the trainings that we choose to attend, whether it's the aids that we choose to use through life. 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:14.800 Oh, Kantana's showing us her. 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:16.480 I love it. 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:17.840 That's so cute. 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:22.960 We'll put a picture on um on Instagram if people aren't watching on YouTube. 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:24.800 But it's a little slidey pin. 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.239 It's so cute with weird. 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:32.400 I want to make like a nerdy gamer version that's like health points and man points, magic points. 00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.039 So chronic illness baddies. 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.360 So I could be like physical, like I'm not doing so great, but I could talk to you. 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:40.239 Yes. 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.440 Oh my gosh, that would be so perfect. 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:50.079 Uh well, I wonder for our listeners right now, because we like to, you know, just offer a moment of reflection. 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.320 And, you know, maybe people are reflecting and being like, oh, I want to either join virtually. 00:39:54.480 --> 00:40:00.400 We'll tell you at the end how you could do that, or I think I want to go to Pennsylvania and and spend some time with Kanjana and Charity. 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:07.519 And honestly, I see Stacy's face, so maybe Stacy too in the Poconos at the ashram in January. 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:14.559 But I have wanted to go to every single thing every one of our guests has offered because it's all so cool. 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.000 But I mean, we have been talking about getting me back to Pennsylvania. 00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:19.599 Well, I know, I know. 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:24.320 And and I feel like this is a good place to talk about your podcast too. 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:31.119 Uh, and we are doing like a scholastic book fair type night, uh, but nerdy and for therapists. 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:35.039 So, like some of the therapists are authors, so they'll have their books. 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:35.519 Yeah. 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:42.159 Some, you know, people who might have like a podcast or consulting, like we'll have a couple tables out. 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:49.360 Uh, so it'll be a good way to kind of, if you want to socialize, get to check out some of those resources. 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:57.280 Our listeners may want to, because maybe they're thinking, oh yeah, I'd like to come to the conference, but maybe they're thinking that's not something that they would like to do or able to do or whatever it might be. 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.480 But what is the at-home version of this? 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.719 So just for our listeners to take a moment and think like, what's the sampling that I need right now? 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:22.960 Is there something, maybe one of the things Kanjana just shared that you've been wanting to try for yourself or to do a little research about, or you know, just offering that moment for reflection for our listeners of what what what are the the witchy or somatic things that that you might want to invite into your life? 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:28.480 Maybe you've been curious about something that we've talked about on other podcasts or something that Kanjana mentioned today. 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.360 That's all I wanted to offer. 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:32.719 Yeah. 00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:52.719 And it's always nice if you don't have access to, I mean, obviously, probably anybody can come to the virtual panel, but you know, if they can't come to a somatic sampler training like this, you know, and they're like, hey, I really am interested in psychotherapeutic reiki, you know, find somebody in your area, you know, do it as a client. 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.400 That's always, I think, the first step of figuring out like, is this something that I might want to incorporate? 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:00.000 I totally agree. 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:10.719 When people come to me for consultation about starting an intensive practice, I always let them know that was my first step was going to a multi-day intensive because I felt like it was so important. 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.039 You know, I was hearing, wow, five consecutive days of trauma therapy. 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.760 Like, that sounds life-changing, but like could I actually do that? 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.960 Could my body do that? 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:20.159 Could my nervous system do that? 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:21.039 Could my parts do that? 00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:29.280 And it turned out the answer was definitely yes, and I loved

it, and it was transformative, but I needed to experience that, I felt like before I could start offering it. 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:30.320 That makes sense. 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.039 There's a lot of uncertainty until you you live it, right? 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:34.000 You feel it. 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.440 Yes, exactly. 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.480 Which is why the somatic sampler is so cool. 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:39.440 Yeah. 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.719 My hope is to solve a problem that I was having, which is like signing up for everything ever. 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.840 And I just don't have that kind of time or money. 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:49.119 Yes. 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:50.239 Exactly. 00:42:50.480 --> 00:43:03.920 Um that's the problem is that like all the trainings do sound cool, and all of them probably do help clients, and they would probably all be fun things to do, but we just can't do it all, unfortunately. 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:16.800 But I really love the framework that you offered at the beginning, Kantana, that you know, so so if you're a therapist or a healer of any kind listening right now, thinking, like, yeah, how would I choose whether or not you're planning to go to the somatic sampler? 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:21.440 The framework of, well, what is most supportive for my nervous system? 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:30.639 Because if I'm gonna do this full time, if I'm gonna spend hours a day doing this modality, which ones would actually really support me the most? 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:42.639 And hopefully each person can really discover that for themselves because I think it's so incredibly freeing when we are able to engage in work that that supports our bodies and our nervous systems too. 00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:43.679 Yeah. 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:59.840 And I think that's um, you know, one of the the biggest things I get coaching calls about is people feeling burnt out and needing to figure out what to change to feel excited and passionate about their work again and you know, not feel like they're on edge all the time. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.320 Time. 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:01.920 Exactly. 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:02.880 Exactly. 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:14.480 Well, that starts to bring us actually towards, you know, ways people can connect with you and your offerings, but I want to check first because we want you to be able to share how people could come to the Sematic Samsung or either version if they wanted. 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:15.920 We want you to be able to share about your other offerings. 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.280 But was there anything else that we wanted to talk about? 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:29.199 We did skip ahead on the questions a little bit and how did you decide whether to bring the practices into the therapy rooms? 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:36.800 There was a question about when did you start bringing spiritual, intuitive, and holistic practices, if we want to go back to that. 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:37.760 Sure. 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.480 Yeah, I'm happy to talk about when I started. 00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:48.880 Um, I really kept my spiritual practices in my personal life, and that was very separate from my professional life. 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.679 Um my spiritual journey started actually back in college. 00:44:53.840 --> 00:45:00.400 I did a study abroad in Japan and I lived at a Rinzai Sen temple for a couple months. 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:07.119 Uh, went back a couple more times, did the silent weeks, shaved my head, did the whole thing, and really committed to it. 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.800 Uh and I was just doing it because my friends were doing it. 00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.559 I hadn't like just, you know, it wasn't something I was super excited about. 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.280 It just seemed better than working at a ski lodge. 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.639 And so I signed up for this and it ended up changing my life. 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:41.360 I learned Reiki there, um, came back to the States, had a hard time, and had to go live in Costa Rica for a little while as I kind of had a reverse culture shock, uh, came back and really spent a lot of time in my personal practice through yoga, dance. 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:49.679 Um gosh, all these different, I had this group in college where people would come, I don't know why, in college at 5 a.m. 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:59.280 to my dorm, and we would take turns leading practices, spiritual practices to get to experience each other's uh what we had to offer, right? 00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:02.159 Our backgrounds and get to try new things and talk about it. 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.920 And this is some of my friends from Japan who also went to the temple. 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.199 So we had some overlap. 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.119 Like one day we we made bread. 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:12.159 We did the mindfulness of needing bread. 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:14.400 At 5 a.m. 00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:15.760 I mean, that is commitment. 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:16.320 Right. 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:17.360 I'm annoying. 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.480 Yeah, I was like, I can't believe we actually did that. 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.519 Um, so that's kind of how it started personally. 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:39.519 And I remember I gave a talk in grad school, I went to UPenn, and like everybody was like, oh honey, like afterwards, because I was talking about bringing yoga and Reiki into session, and they were like, Yeah, in one million years. 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:46.400 And then, you know, 15 years later, I just gave a talk on a national stage about incorporating Reiki into session. 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.719 So I feel like came full circle a little bit. 00:46:51.039 --> 00:47:05.039 And it was through hospice and then being at a different group practice that was focused on kids and play therapy that I really felt like both of those settings allowed me to

feel more comfortable bringing in yoga. 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:12.480 At first, it was like sneak my mat in under my sweater because they're like, that's weird, bringing a yoga mat to a pediatrician's office. 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:14.320 Uh, because you know, this is like 10 years ago. 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.880 People thought it was weird, weirder than they do now. 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:23.760 Uh so that's kind of how it started for me was I was like, why am I why are these separate? 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:29.679 I had a client that I knew yoga could help, and I was like, why am I not bringing it in? 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:30.880 Because I don't know how. 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.599 And so let me go figure out how. 00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:39.360 And that's how I found out yoga therapy was a thing that I didn't make up, but like an actual field. 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:41.360 And I pursued it. 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:47.360 So that's kind of what brought it, you know, that was the start of it for me. 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:57.679 It was a two separate paths that finally I had that aha moment of like, I don't feel good that they're separate and learned how to blend them. 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.800 I feel like hospice too, the boundaries are so different. 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:10.960 You know, I went from only having done mental health to after grad school um going to work in hospice. 00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:18.159 And my very first day shadowing the chaplain, uh somebody was like, Can I give you a hug? 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:25.119 And I was like, Oh, this is gonna be really different than mental health in a hospital setting. 00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:34.880 But I think that's good, you know, because it helps sort of bring some of those barriers down and say, you know, like, how do how do we look at mental health holistically? 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:41.440 And you know, not maybe up on that pedestal, like, I Freud, I know. 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:48.320 Yeah, and like when people are dying, there is so much more wiggle room because it's like I just want them to have relief. 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:53.679 Go ahead and do the weird energy thing, like do whatever if they're on board, go for it. 00:48:53.920 --> 00:49:00.719 And there's that permission, you know, as a clinician that like even if they think what I'm doing is strange, they're open to it. 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.840 Yeah, which yeah, I didn't always get in other settings. 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.079 I had to do a little more convincing. 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:07.679 Yeah. 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:14.239 You know, it's funny, it actually does just make me think of how, you know, every person listening has been on some kind of journey. 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:15.760 And like we can never guess each other. 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:22.559 It's like, I had no idea, Kanana, about your experience in Japan with shaving your head and you know, making bread at 5 a.m. 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:23.599

in college. 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:30.960 Um, but every every listener has been on some kind of journey that has brought them to the place they are today that they are listening to this podcast. 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.639 And of course, we always hope that this podcast is like helping people along on their journey. 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:47.199 And then I think things like the Sematic Sampler too are, you know, it can easily be the next step in somebody's journey, the thing that they didn't know they needed, you know, the the discovery that they didn't realize was waiting right around the bend. 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.480 Yeah, that's really what I'm hoping for is to help folk connect folks to their next step. 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.599 So it it feels good to them as they're moving forward. 00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:03.519 And we need clinicians doing this work, and that means we need to make sure it's sustainable for them, those of us who are training folks in this kind of work. 00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:07.440 Yes, like self-care needs it's a it's an ethical piece, right? 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.400 Like we have to, it's non-negotiable. 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:12.239 That's a hundred percent right. 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:12.880 Yeah. 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.840 So tell us about how people can um how they can connect. 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:34.960 When is the virtual uh the virtual one is September 23rd, and then we're gonna do seven days of recording access so that if folks for some reason last minute can't make it or they're not available that day, but they know they want to watch it later, you can still sign up and then you'll have access to that. 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:41.760 Um so September 23rd is the Somatic Sampler virtual, and people have a week access to that. 00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:47.760 Um so whenever you're hearing this, if it's on Instagram or if you're listening to the podcast, it's not too late when you're hearing us say this. 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:49.840 Go sign up for the somatic sampler. 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.599 Um, and then uh the virtual one. 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.960 And then if people wanted to come to Pennsylvania, that's in January. 00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:58.000 Yeah, yeah, January 14th through 17th. 00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:02.000 So four days, it's hundreds of acres of land. 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:08.960 There's trails with waterfalls, it's when you drive onto property, you feel the energy shift. 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:10.639 Um, it's one of my favorite places. 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:15.440 I lead retreats there every year, and it it is an ashram, so it's a different experience. 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.760 Um, but I really love it. 00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.719 It's gonna be beautiful. 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:24.159 And what are the other ways people can connect with you? 00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:32.159 So you've mentioned coaching, of course, you've mentioned therapy, you have a group practice, um, you have your international retreats. 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:36.320 Yeah, so I also have ADHD if you haven't figured it out. 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:41.199 And the talk I'm doing in Seattle is actually from passions to profits. 00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:46.079 So, how to like take what gives you all your dopamine and and get some money from it. 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.199 You know, that's like my falconry CE. 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.039 Like that's really fun for me. 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.079 I mostly do things that are actually fun for me. 00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:55.840 Like talking to you two is fun for me. 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.960 Yeah, I you know, that's how I like to spend my time. 00:51:59.280 --> 00:51:59.679 Exactly. 00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:01.760 I'm such a believer in that as well. 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:02.159 Yeah. 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:24.400 And so people can find me um on social media, and that's usually the first place I announce, hey, I'm doing this wild thing, like a falconry CE, or let's go swim with wild dolphins in the Bahamas and get 20 CEs and become certified in nervous system literacy, like stuff that I think is fun, that hopefully there's some other nerdy therapists out there who also think it's fun. 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:32.000 And it's all very neurodivergent friendly because my brain cannot like sit in front of a PowerPoint for seven or eight hours. 00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.679 So, yeah, wanderhome.tlc is the handle for Instagram and TikTok. 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:49.840 And that's usually first place I post my unique CEs, whether it's online and more accessible in terms of pricing, all the way up to like international and a little more luxury. 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:55.679 Uh, and there's stuff in between because I think it's really important that everyone have access to this information. 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:58.559 And also, I would like to go fly a falcon. 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.079 And that's not free. 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:02.800 It's a range. 00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:04.480 Yes, yes. 00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:11.199 And then you have coming up the, it's not, I don't think live yet, but you'll have the um the on-demand courses. 00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:12.320 Yes, yeah. 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:12.880 Mm-hmm. 00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:14.159 And there's already some there. 00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.039 There's yoga for mental health, which is 20 CEs. 00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:24.480 There's a 20 CE mindfulness and meditation based on positive psychology, and there's some Reiki and energy work in that one. 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:27.519 It's actually 30 hours, but only 20 CEs. 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.719 Um, and that was the one I submitted to ASWB. 00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:35.280 So I it was my most sticky, like they might have a problem with kind of course. 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.480 And now it's been very thoroughly looked at. 00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:43.119 So um forget to offer 20 CEs for meditation.

00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.199 So I'm really excited about that. 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.679 Um, and there's some short ones too. 00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:48.159 Yeah. 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:54.719 That also makes me think of though, that you know, for people listening, maybe who are like, wow, I would like to turn my passion into profit. 00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:02.800 I would like to make a course that's actually part of this offering that you have a piece of it where you will help walk people through developing a CE program. 00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:05.039 Yeah, because I'm a social worker. 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:10.000 So like it's really expensive to offer CEs as a provider. 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.000 So if we can cost share that, then we can also share the benefits. 00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:19.280 So I just take a percentage that I feel is fair, we discuss it, and there's a six-month agreement. 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:21.199 And then there's kind of three levels. 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:29.199 You do your own thing, and I just provide the CEs and double check that what you're doing is uh CE, you know, KED could be approved. 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:39.280 And then there's versions where I offer a little more support, where I'm doing editing, I'm helping to answer questions and put things together, and there's full-on handheld. 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:45.519 I walk you through the whole thing and we launch whether it's on demand or live. 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:46.559 Yeah. 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:54.639 So really just endless options, which is why I started by saying that you are my resource this week because you really are such a resource for therapists. 00:54:54.719 --> 00:55:13.760 And so, again, whether their entry point is following you on Instagram, um, or if it is uh working with you to develop their own CE course hosted on your platform, or if it's attending the CE sampler either or the Sematic Sampler virtual or the in-person event, or if it's going to Scotland with you for a romanticy retreat. 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.719 Yes, please make my dreams come true. 00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:17.920 Let's make it happen. 00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:18.639 Yeah. 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:19.440 Yes. 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.280 So many amazing resources. 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:28.400 Is there anything else, Kanchna, that you'd want our listeners to know about you or how to contact you? 00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:39.119 Um yeah, I think just, you know, my website is wanderhomeretreats.newsemler.com, and it will eventually be just wanderhomeretreats.com. 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:42.400 But, you know, I'm in the middle of expanding it. 00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:47.760 And I just want to take a moment to thank both of you for having me and having this conversation. 00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:55.280 Because, you know, I think a lot of therapists are curious about this kind of work and also like there's a little bit of fear they want to do it thoughtfully. 00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:03.519 And so that's like the whole heart of the somatic sampler is how can we start to bring this in more and have the confidence to do it well. 00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:04.880 Exactly. 00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.119 Oh, well, we're so appreciative that you're out there doing all that work, Antana. 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.039 It's a lot of work, so yeah. 00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:12.320 Thankfully, it's fun, right? 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:14.400 It's all the stuff I'm passionate about. 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.199 I'm never again giving a training on like differences between DSM four and five. 00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:21.679 I once did like a two-day on that. 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:23.840 Why did I say yes to that? 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:25.360 That was a nightmare. 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:26.800 That sounds like a nightmare. 00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:27.679 Oh my gosh. 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:28.559 Yeah. 00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:30.719 For a bunch of lawyers. 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:32.960 So, like my jokes did not land. 00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:34.639 Oh my goodness. 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.199 Like, sweat through my whole outfit. 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:39.920 It's a real, real nightmare. 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:40.880 Yeah. 00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.719 But that's part of how I learned that it was not for me, right? 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:45.360 Exactly. 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:51.679 My ADHD breeding, like, I need that dopamine, I need that passion to like help me cross the finish line. 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.079 So made it work for me. 00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:54.880 Yes. 00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:55.920 Oh, perfect. 00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:57.840 As you were doing in so many areas. 00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:08.000 And I hope our listeners are also taking that away, that it really is possible to find a way to do this work that's fulfilling and that's gentle for your own body and system. 00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:09.679 And yeah, it really is possible. 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:14.159 We don't have to be stuck in in burnt out roles as therapists. 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:15.920 Yeah, definitely. 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:18.239 I hear Raya. 00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:19.360 Do you want to say hi to her? 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.199 Come say hi, Raya. 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.239 Yeah, you're doing such a good job. 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:26.559 Come on over. 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.960 You gotta come over a little bit, okay? 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.159 I hear that you have matching hair. 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:32.960 Oh my goodness. 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:35.280 Look at that. 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:38.159 It's a rainbow. 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:41.440 Oh my goodness, it matches mommy's hair. 00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:42.320 Right. 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:48.719 We went to tea this morning and she picked out all her jewelry and her hair, and mommy had to wear a dress. 00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:50.000 So I missed it. 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:51.360 Oh my goodness. 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.519 That sounds like so much fun. 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.840 Yeah, it was a really great time, and she did such a good job letting us chat. 00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:58.960 Yeah, really good taste. 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:00.559 Yes, thank you so much. 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.159 But thank you for coming on too. 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:03.760 It's so nice to see you. 00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:04.800 Yes. 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:08.320 She's a little shy. 00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:09.920 Oh, I totally get it. 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:16.079 She does she was talking about energy work earlier because I told her that's what I was talking about today. 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:17.039 Oh, wow. 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:17.440 Right? 00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:19.920 You do you give mommy some energy sometimes? 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:21.199 Yeah. 00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:23.840 Oh my goodness, that's so special. 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:24.719 Yeah. 00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:28.159 Well, it was great to meet you, Raya. 00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.320 And Kanjana, it was great to talk with you. 00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:31.599 Yeah, thank you. 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:33.039 Thanks so much, both of you. 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:34.239 This was really fun. 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:35.280 Oh, it was. 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:36.800 And thank you to our listeners. 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:37.440 As always. 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:47.199 And as always, we're gonna ask if you would leave a rating or review for the podcast because it makes a difference and helps get this kind of really important information out in the world. 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:49.840 So we will look forward to seeing you all next week. 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:51.039 Thank you, man. 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:52.559 Bye. 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:53.920 Bye. 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:58.400 Thank you for listening to the Witchy Therapist Podcast. 00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:05.360 You can find us on Instagram at WitchytherapistPod and on YouTube at Witchytherapist Podcast. 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:12.079 If you'd like to follow me, Charity O'Reilly, you can follow me on Instagram at Tea with a Trauma Therapist. 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:20.480 You can also find me at teawithatraumatherapist.com for my online course, or you can find me at my website, charityorilly.com. 00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:27.039 You can also find me on Instagram at StacyAldridge LCSW and holistically stacy. 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:34.079 You can also visit my website, StacyAldridge.com, to learn more about my various businesses and how to work with me.