บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Bill Gates’ 1% Inheritance: Virtue or Vanity?

with Elon Musk 80 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,520 and help him to build rockets? 81 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,400 You're not gonna be able to do something like that 82 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,680 with just $10 million. 83 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,280 And to whom much is given, much is expected. 84 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,440 Yahoo Finance estimated Gates wealth is around $115 billion. 85 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,600 I can't believe that he wouldn't even give him a billion. 86 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,240 And figures 1% would be, you know, 87 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,800 over a billion dollars if they do split it three ways, 88 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,320 but they say that $10 million is what they'll actually get. 89 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,160 But the phrase less than 1% from a man that rich 90 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,760 is still a fortune, obviously. 91 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,640 So when billionaires talk about disinheriting their kids, 92 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,400 you know, they probably mean, in many cases, 93 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,920 the kids are just gonna get a mansion 94 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,200 instead of an entire country or a private island 95 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,400 or something like that. 96 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,000 JJ says, I think many celebrities see prior Nepo babies 97 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,320 in fear squandering of their legacy by the children. 98 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,160 Look at Paris Hilton. 99 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,320 You know, I don't agree with the Paris Hilton reference there, 100 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,520 by the way, JJ. 101 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,400 You find a better reference than Paris Hilton 102 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,400 because if you look up Paris Hilton, 103 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,120 she's kind of like, she was Kim Kardashian 104 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,440 before Kim Kardashian. 105 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,760 And you can dislike these celebrities for doing sex tapes 106 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,360 or, you know, degenerate behavior or whatever you like. 107 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,120 But Paris Hilton built an empire on her own 108 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,360 to a large extent. 109 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,960 She, yeah, she had help from mommy and daddy, 110 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,720 but she built her own cosmetic empire, 111 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:57,880 her own television show. 112 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,640 And if she wasn't talented and smart, 113 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,720 the reason why I think Paris Hilton is secretly a genius 114 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,040 is because she has a certain way of speaking 115 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,440 when she was on her television show 116 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,040 that she knew would be popular 117 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,720 and would make her look stupid. 118 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,520 She played stupid. 119 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,920 There's another chapter in the book, Power, 120 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,800 it says, "Play a sucker to catch a sucker." 121 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,800 I'm gonna grab this damn book 122 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:21,720 while I'm sitting here right now. 123 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,160 Guys, entertain yourselves. 124 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,040 I'll put on a quick little, you know, music, we'll say. 125 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,880 It's the sad music, but I'm not going away. 126 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:28,720 Hold on. 127 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,920 (soft music) 128 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,360 I don't have the book. 129 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,200 It's in the living room. 130 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,360 But anyways, play a sucker to catch a sucker. 131 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,440 And she played that strategy beautifully. 132 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,540 Okay, turn off the sad music. 133 00:05:49,540 --> 00:05:50,780 We're not going away. 134 00:05:50,780 --> 00:05:52,000 What about the Vanderbilt's? 135 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Now, I'll have to admit, 136 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,240 I don't know as much about the Vanderbilt's 137 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,840 as I did the Hilton's, 138 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:00,640 but I just saw a documentary recently 139 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,080 about the Vanderbilt's and where they're all buried, 140 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,720 but I don't know anything about them per se. 141 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,880 So anyways, Gates said that the remainder of the money 142 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,440 will go to the Gates Foundation. 143 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,820 He wrote in 2022 that he plans to give virtually 144 00:06:13,820 --> 00:06:15,320 all his wealth to the foundation, 145 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,560 and he expects to drop off of the list 146 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:18,800 of the world's richest people. 147 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,580 Now you can admire that, but still ask a fair question. 148 00:06:21,580 --> 00:06:24,380 Why is a foundation bureaucracy a better steward 149 00:06:24,380 --> 00:06:26,000 of a family's wealth? 150 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,380 I don't know, than the actual family itself. 151 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:31,980 Now, the original philosopher king of this idea, guys, 152 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:36,800 Warren Buffett, the BBC quoted him from 2021 saying, 153 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,640 "Leave the children enough so that they can do anything, 154 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,760 but not enough that they can do nothing." 155 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,240 And which is an interesting line, 156 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,240 but that's been around since the 1980s. 157 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,480 Gates told Reddit that a Buffett fortune article 158 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,320 from 1986 changed his thinking on this. 159 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:52,960 So it's a great line. 160 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,560

I mean, it's also a line that only works 161 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,240 when enough means a few million bucks, right? 162 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,280 And Gordon Ramsey, who I'm a huge fan of, 163 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:01,840 and I was disappointed to hear he did this, 164 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,120 but he put it with his usual subtlety. 165 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,800 He told the Telegraph in 2017, 166 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,280 his fortune is definitely not going to them. 167 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:10,160 And he added, "That's not an amine way. 168 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,040 It's to not spoil them." 169 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,320 And then the next sentence he said is my favorite. 170 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,880 He says, "The only thing I've agreed with Tana 171 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,860 is they get a 25% deposit on a flat." 172 00:07:21,860 --> 00:07:24,560 So Ramsey's disinheritance of his kid, 173 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,440 his plan includes a quarter of a down payment. 174 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,840 Most families would call that an inheritance, of course, 175 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,040 but when your father is Gordon Ramsey, 176 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,440 that's sort of a disinheritance. 177 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,360 Ramsey also told the paper that kids don't sit in first class 178 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,500 with mom and dad because they haven't worked 179 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:42,040 anywhere near hard enough to afford that. 180 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,920 Now, honestly, I think that is a good parenting move. 181 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,080 Make them earn the leg room, right? 182 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,320 But notice the difference between teaching a work ethic 183 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,240 while you're alive and erasing a family legacy 184 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,260 after you're gone. 185 00:07:54,260 --> 00:07:56,040 I think one of those things is parenting, 186 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,840 and the other is virtue signaling to the left. 187 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,160 Sting told the Daily Mail in 2014, 188 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,120 "I certainly don't want to leave them trust funds 189 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,280 that are albatrosses around their necks. 190 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,360 Oh, if only I could have an owl that would 191 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,680 batross across my neck like that. 192 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,000 They have to work," he said. 193 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,080 He also said, "What comes in, we spend, 194 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,480 and there isn't much left." 195 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,960 So part of Sting's inheritance philosophy 196 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,720 is apparently that he and Trudy are going to spend it. 197 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,140 Now, I respect the honesty there. 198 00:08:21,140 --> 00:08:22,660 That's not a moral stance, really. 199 00:08:22,660 --> 00:08:24,320 It's just that

that's their lifestyle. 200 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,240 They spend what they earn. 201 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,160 And celebrity kids get something that no will can list. 202 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,920 They get the last name. 203 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,580 They get the agent's phone number. 204 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:35,880 They get the open door at the audition. 205 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,400 Matthew McConaughey was saying the other day, 206 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,440 he was trying to do virtue signal in a similar way, 207 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,200 saying that his daughter didn't go in with his last name 208 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,400 to audition for a movie. 209 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,640 But the reason that they were able to get the audition 210 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,720 in the first place was because Matthew 211 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:54,880 got her into the audition. 212 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,280 [CHEERING] 213 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,240 OK. 214 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,360 So the children of the famous have already 215 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:04,660 inherited their Rolodex. 216 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:09,660 And it's very hard to disinherit somebody from a Rolodex, OK? 217 00:09:09,660 --> 00:09:12,560 Daniel Craig, James Bond himself, said in 2020 218 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:16,920 that he finds inheritance, quote, "quite distasteful." 219 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,320 He says his philosophy is to get rid of it 220 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,540 or give it away before you go, which is an admirable instinct. 221 00:09:22,540 --> 00:09:24,400 But I think a famous father's network 222 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,400 is worth more than most trust funds, 223 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,160 and nobody gives that away. 224 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,600 Nigella Lawson went furthest, according to the Daily Mail. 225 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,480 She told My Weekly in 2008, "I'm determined 226 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,320 that my children should have no financial security. 227 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,480 It ruins people not having to earn money." 228 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,660 No financial security is a remarkable thing 229 00:09:43,660 --> 00:09:45,040 to wish on your children. 230 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,240 I mean, my mother and father want 231 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,600 me to have financial security. 232 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,480 That is kind of sort of the whole plan that they had. 233 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,440 Marie Osman told Us Weekly, as the BBC reported in 2023, 234 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,480 she says, "I don't know anybody who becomes anything 235 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,920 if they're just handed money." 236 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,080 She said it wasn't malicious, that she wants her kids 237 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,280 to find their own passions. 238 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,800 And I believe her, but I just think the sentence is wrong. 239 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,640 Plenty of people were handed money and became something. 240 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,200 Ask the Rockefellers. 241 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,200 Ask the Waltons. 242 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,040 Ask half the family businesses in your town. 243 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,360 And ask Anderson Cooper, like Matt Unruh was saying. 244 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,240 That was something that Anderson Cooper benefited from, 245 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,320 was that Vanderbilt name. 246 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Now, I think it was interesting. 247 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,620 Somebody should look up the history of Emilio Estevez, 248 00:10:26,620 --> 00:10:32,840 because Emilio Estevez was one of the Sheen family. 249 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,560 His brother was Charlie Sheen. 250 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,160 He was part of the Sheen family, but he 251 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,760 didn't take the name because he wanted to try and get 252 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:39,880 known in Hollywood himself. 253 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,600 But I'm pretty sure there was some door opening going on 254 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,640 for a member of the Sheen family. 255 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,320 So I'll have you guys look it up. 256 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,120 Ashton Kutcher said that he isn't setting up trust funds 257 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,920 for his kids with Mila Kunis, and that if they pitch his venture 258 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,840 firm, they also will get no special treatment. 259 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,480 He also said, my kids are living a really privileged life, 260 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,480 and they don't even know it. 261 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,080 Now, that's the whole argument, I think. 262 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,680 The privilege is already baked into their lives. 263 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:08,760 So announcing no trust fund doesn't unring the bell. 264 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Elton John said that his sons live the most incredible lives, 265 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,320 but need some respect for money and some respect for work. 266 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,920 And he praised the Buffett model of leaving enough for a house, 267 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,600 a car, and all their basic needs. 268 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,880 Can you imagine being adopted by a rich, wealthy, famous gay man, 269 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,960 and then he doesn't leave you any money? 270 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,400 It's one thing for parents to have kids. 271 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,160 Imagine getting adopted into that situation, 272 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,280 not having a choice, not having your biological parents, 273 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,880 and then your adopted father like, disinherits you. 274 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,280 That would be terrible. 275 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,520 But of course, Elton is leaving the kids' houses, and cars, 276

00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:48,360 and things like that. 277 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,320 So the celebrity definition of nothing 278 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,160 is a little different from mine. 279 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,000 Jackie Chan has reported back in 2011, said of his son JC, 280 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,200 if he are capable, he can make his own money. 281 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,080 If he's not, then he will just be wasting my money. 282 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,080 I like to be each boy's. 283 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,000 He said, racistly. 284 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,560 CNBC reported in 2015, Simon Cowell 285 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:15,160 planned to leave his money to children's and dog charities 286 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,800 and says, I don't believe in passing from one generation 287 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:18,300 to another. 288 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:21,280 I'm sorry, but my kids are the worst I've ever seen. 289 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,440 Goodbye. 290 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,360 But the dogs apparently are in the will. 291 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,080 Now, you should be able to defend a parent's right 292 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,680 to do whatever they want with their property. 293 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:36,360 It's their money. 294 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,840 Leave it to a cat, but a right isn't the same as right. 295 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,920 Your legal freedom doesn't settle the moral question 296 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,240 of what you owe the people that you brought into the world. 297 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,320 Because a family legacy isn't just money, guys. 298 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,200 It's the farm. 299 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,360 It's the business. 300 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,960 It's the house where everybody gathers at Christmas. 301 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,800 It's the security that lets your grandkids take a risk 302 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,040 because they won't end up homeless if it does fail. 303 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,480 When you announce that your responsible children get 304 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,800 none of that, withholding the cash 305 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,280 cuts a thread between generations. 306 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,360 And the virtue signaling part really bothers me. 307 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,160 When a parent declares in a magazine the kid gets nothing, 308 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,960 who exactly is the trucking audience for that? 309 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,400 Well, it's not their kids. 310 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:14,400 The kids already know. 311 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:15,680 It's embarrassing. 312 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:17,480 It's the public that's the audience for that. 313 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,480 And the message is, look how principled I am, right? 314 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,120 So that's what I mean when I say that I 315 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,600 think this is selfishness, dressed as virtue. 316 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,840 Because the parent is just looking for applause, 317 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,880 and the kids end up paying all the bills. 318 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,040 Inheritance and ambition are not opposites. 319 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,880 The Mars candy family, the Waltons, the Fords, 320 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,240 plenty of plumbing companies and dairy farms in this audience 321 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,920 probably passed wealth down, and the heirs kept building. 322 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,760 Founders often hand over a business precisely 323 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,120 so the next generation can make it bigger. 324 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,480 Security can be a launching pad just as easily 325 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,080 as it is a hammock. 326 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,920 Now the other side I think lands a punch with the old proverbs. 327 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,960 Shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves in three generations. 328 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,960 The Vanderbilt fortune, as Matt Enru said, 329 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,120 once famously among the biggest in America, 330 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,920 melted away within a few generations 331 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,200 through spending and division. 332 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,080 Sudden money can wreck people. 333 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,480 And stories of heirs who blew through millions are not rare. 334 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,560 But my answer is that the problem in these stories 335 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:15,520 is usually the parenting, not the money. 336 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,800 If you raised a kid who'll snort the trust fund, 337 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,320 you've got a kid problem. 338 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,640 And there are tools for that. 339 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,680 And lawyers have built stage distributions, 340 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,120 incentive trusts that match earned income, 341 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,880 trusts that pay for education in a first home 342 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,800 but maybe not a Lamborghini. 343 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,920 You don't have to pick between handing over the keys 344 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,600 and burning the car. 345 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,520 Now I think there are real exceptions that exist. 346 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,720 A child with a destructive addiction, 347 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,240 a child who is engaged in serious crime, 348 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,960 a child who is shown over and over that money in their hands 349 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,000 becomes self-harm. 350 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,160 Protecting assets in those cases I don't think is cruelty. 351 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,240 Then my objection is to cutting off 352 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,040 kids who've done nothing wrong just to make a point 353 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,840 and earn an applause. 354 00:14:56,840

--> 00:14:58,920 And charity and family aren't enemies either. 355 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,600 Buffett pledged most of his fortune to philanthropy. 356 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,640 And according to NBC News, he also 357 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,360 routed billions in Berkshire stock 358 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,840 to his children's foundations. 359 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,840 So that's a man who found a way to honor 360 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,360 both the world and the family. 361 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,480 So I think more of that, unless People magazine moralizing. 362 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,640 But for the rest of us, this argument is not abstract. 363 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,700 Richmond Fed data cited by MoneyWise 364 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:22,520 put the median inheritance in 2025 at about $17,000 365 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:23,680 for an ordinary family. 366 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,040 That's a modest-- you might get a modest house. 367 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,320 You might get a paid off car. 368 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,000 Or you might get a little nest egg. 369 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,800 And things like that can be the difference between a grandchild 370 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,880 starting life in debt or starting life free. 371 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,400 Now billionaires can afford to make a philosophical point. 372 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Most parents can. 373 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,300 And there's a lot of this money that's in motion. 374 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:43,520 There's estimates of roughly $36 trillion 375 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,540 of a so-called great wealth transfer, much of it 376 00:15:46,540 --> 00:15:48,480 concentrated among the wealthy. 377 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,040 Every dollar that a family keeps in the family 378 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,280 is a dollar that isn't sitting in some foundation run 379 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,840 by people that the founder never met. 380 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,560 Or worse, as we all know, in the hands of the tax man. 381 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,260 Gates gave some pretty interesting advice 382 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:02,560 in this interview that sparked this. 383 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,440 You don't want your kid to ever be confused 384 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,320 about your support for them and your love for them. 385 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,960 And he recommended explaining early on your philosophy. 386 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,400 And I agree with that completely. 387 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,680 Just make sure that the philosophy you explain 388 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,620 is the one you'd be proud to defend your grandkids, not one 389 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:18,640 you're proud to defend to People magazine. 390 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:23,160 So rich parents, poor excuses, raise kids who work hard, 391 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,520 make them earn first class, teach them to give.

392 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,720 And then if they turn out to be decent adults, 393 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,520 trust them with what you built. 394 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,000 That's not spoiling a child. 395 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,560 That's finishing your job as a good parent. 396 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,440 Joining us now is Camelia Peterson. 397 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,120 She's one of my favorite friends. 398 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,760 She comments with us on culture, politics, family, 399 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,040 generational issues, pretty much everything there can be. 400 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,760 She testified in Jefferson City as the legislative director 401 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,180 of Americans for Prosperity Missouri. 402 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:52,200 She knows the capital. 403 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,640 She knows the voters. 404 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,720 And she's never once given me a boring answer. 405 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Sometimes I even make her blush. 406 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,160 Camelia, welcome back. 407 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,120 I don't know if we can say that I've never 408 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,660 given you a boring answer. 409 00:17:03,660 --> 00:17:05,440 I mean, there's got to be at least once. 410 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,800 OK, but that's what the teleprompter told me to say. 411 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,280 Camelia, Missouri voters are getting two big questions 412 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,760 on the November 3 ballot. 413 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,920 And Republicans kind of got into the fight late. 414 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,720 Prop A is a referendum on the congressional map. 415 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,960 Lawmakers passed in 2025. 416 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,960 A yes vote approves that map. 417 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:29,220 House Bill 1 is a no vote, keeps the districts drawn in 2022. 418 00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:31,440 The critics are calling it the Trump map. 419 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,360 It's a partisan gerrymander. 420 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:35,600 Supporters say it keeps more counties whole. 421 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,560 And the courts have left the districts in place 422 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,000 for this November no matter what. 423 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,460 And then we've got Amendment 6. 424 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:44,360 This would make the fundamental initiative process 425 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:48,720 a fundamental right in the state constitution, Jesus, 426 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,480 and bar lawmakers from changing or repealing voter pass laws 427 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,240 without at least 80% of both chambers. 428 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,740 And people complained about the threshold for the other one. 429 00:17:58,740 --> 00:18:00,780 So let's talk about Prop A first. 430 00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:02,360 Do the people of the state of Missouri 431 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:03,860 approve the act of the General Assembly and title 432 00:18:03,860 --> 00:18:04,560 House Bill 1? 433 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:05,400 It's so complicated. 434 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,400 What the hell does it mean? 435 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,500 I know, right? 436 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:09,180 And that's probably something that 437 00:18:09,180 --> 00:18:10,760 is a little different about Missouri, 438 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,720 that people probably have a hard time understanding is that 439 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,080 it's so easy to put stuff on the ballot that we-- 440 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,880 every two years, we basically are asking Missourians 441 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,520 to be legislators, which sounds good, right? 442 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,080 No. 443 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,600 You're also asking-- 444 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,160 I know, because you're asking them 445 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,960 to dig into the weeds of legal statutory language. 446 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,520 And I want voters to be informed. 447 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,720 I think you should do that. 448 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,800 But there's a very good reason why we elect somebody to go 449 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,920 and spend all of their time doing that, 450 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,560 because it gets very complicated and wonky. 451 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,300 And mistakes can be made. 452 00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:47,920 And then when mistakes are made and they're 453 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,280 put into the Constitution, it's not like-- 454 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,080 put this in a rough spot like this. 455 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:59,400 But for Prop A with the maps, I think 456 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,160 that it may be somewhat comes down 457 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,240 to whether or not you were in favor of the redistricting 458 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,400 in mid-cycle, right? 459 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,080 I mean, some people were opposed to that. 460 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,320 Some people were fine with it. 461 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:17,360 I wasn't crazy about it at first as far as doing it mid-cycle. 462 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:20,680 But the truth is, when I looked at the redrawn maps, 463 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,660 they were better than they were before. 464 00:19:22,660 --> 00:19:25,960 If the standards are that they're contiguous 465 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,580 and they're compact, right, and they're 466 00:19:27,580 --> 00:19:29,440 not drawn all over the place like Illinois 467 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,560 and some of these other places, it was better than before. 468 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,140 And so yes, it gave us a 7-1 congressional map instead 469 00:19:38,140 --> 00:19:39,800 of 6-2. 470 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,000 But I think it wasn't because it was drawn worse. 471 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,160 I think it was because it was

drawn better. 472 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,100 So at the end of the day, the question 473 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:51,120 is, if you're a liberty-leaning Republican in the state 474 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,840 of Missouri, where do you vote on Prop A? 475 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,320 Yeah, I think voting yes is a good thing, right? 476 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,680 I mean, in spite of what you may think about how it was gone 477 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,120 about, I think the outcome and the end result of it 478 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:04,440 is good for Missouri. 479 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,920 And it is a reflection of Missouri's populace. 480 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:13,400 So there are so many issues on our ballot in November. 481 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,560 And it is really, really hard to get something 482 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,280 passed with a yes vote. 483 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,640 Much easier to get something done if people just vote no, 484 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,980 because that is clearly Missouri's default go-to is no. 485 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:28,400 Well, there's a lesson there then, 486 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,000 because if people like us want to get things done, 487 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,100 then we need to just word it so that the answer is no. 488 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:39,080 So we need to say, would you not like 489 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,560 to have the Missouri income tax abolished, 490 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,640 not use double negatives, and that's how we win? 491 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,140 Well-- 492 00:20:48,140 --> 00:20:51,520 Don't try and give people the benefit of the doubt, 493 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,200 Camilia, make things easy for them. 494 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:53,800 Just trick them. 495 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,560 I think the courts are going to stand in our way there, 496 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,800 because they'll just step in. 497 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,240 They'll be like, nah, nah, nah, nah, 498 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,720 we're going to rewrite that ballot. 499 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,320 There's a lot of ballot language for you. 500 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,240 And you know, we'll-- 501 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,840 Are we going to go down in flames on this, on Prop A? 502 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,680 Because it sounds like the Missouri Republicans 503 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,160 are getting a late start on campaigning on this, Camilia. 504 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,960 Yeah, well, I mean, I think-- and that's 505 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,400 because it went right down to the wire with all of the court 506 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,440 decisions that were wrapped up in that redistricting map. 507 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,080 So there's not a real organized effort behind it, 508 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,360 as is the case with several ballot initiatives, 509 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:27,520 to be honest. 510 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,320 There are a few, what I would consider conservative, 511 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,560 issues on the ballot. 512 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,960 And it's worth pointing out that none of them 513 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,440 were done by the citizen-led initiative petition process. 514 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,760 The only one that is done by the citizen-led initiative-- 515 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,320 initiative petition process-- 516 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,920 are the Amendment 6 that we'll talk about, and are this-- 517 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,920 well, and ironically, is this Prop A? 518 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Which I don't-- that baffles me a little bit, 519 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,440 because they put it on the ballot. 520 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,880 But usually when you want something, 521 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,320 you put it on there as a yes vote. 522 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,160 But they were smart. 523 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,360 The left was smart in this. 524 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:05,800 They put Prop A on there. 525 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,000 And the answer they want is a no vote, 526 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,720 because that would give us back the old maps. 527 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,600 Camilia, next question for you here 528 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,280 is the voters that are just maybe-- 529 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,680 a lot of the voters, they haven't been paying attention 530 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,000 to any of this shit. 531 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,920 The knife fights that we've been having over the income tax 532 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,920 and the initiative petition process, 533 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,760 and then the map redrawing-- they're only just now 534 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,600 starting to follow the news and find out what's going on. 535 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,040 And really, probably not even until two weeks from now. 536 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:37,600 I mean, like-- 537 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,160 Yeah, a lot of them are not even paying attention yet right now. 538 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,640 But for those who are just starting to wake up 539 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,640 their sleepy heads, what's the story on the 2022 map? 540 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,320 So the courts kept the map in place. 541 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,440 So what's on the line with this vote? 542 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,400 So Amendment 6 would require 80% of both chambers 543 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,360 to change a law that voters pass. 544 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,000 What is this story, Camilia? 545 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,480 On Amendment 6, so there are those who might remember. 546 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,200 We talked about Amendment 4. 547 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,240 There's been so many amendments this year that went down in flames, 548 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,600 which would have made it harder

to put things into the Constitution. 549 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,640 Just into the Constitution, you could still put statutory issues 550 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,800 on the ballot. 551 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,120 And it went down in flames. 552 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:27,160 And so Amendment 6 is the attempt by the opposition to that 553 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,320 to actually make it harder for the legislature 554 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:37,400 to be a check and balance on the things that get put even 555 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:43,000 in statute by quote unquote citizen-led petitions. 556 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,760 And so there are a lot of really bad things about this. 557 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,920 This is so bad that I think Missouri 558 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:57,320 is going to look very different within five years if this passes. 559 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,520 But first of all, it would make citizen-led petitions 560 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,920 a constitutional right. 561 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,200 These things are not a constitutional right. 562 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,760 So first of all, it puts it in the Constitution as a right. 563 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,680 It also says that if an IP, a citizen-led IP, 564 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,880 is put on the ballot, that the legislature cannot come back 565 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,520 and attempt to fix it. 566 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,480 Let's just-- because what you have to understand 567 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,400 is these citizen-led IPs that are put on the ballot, they're not vetted. 568 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,920 They don't go through a process. 569 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,520 They don't have people looking at it while you're looking at it. 570 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,000 It would just see whether or not it's really badly written, 571 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,160 if there's language in it, if there's unintended consequences. 572 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,400 It is highly partisan and very much special interest driven. 573 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,640 And so a lot of these things go through that are really badly written, 574 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,240 like the marijuana law is a classic example of that. 575 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,120 So if they do this, what this would mean is that the legislature then 576 00:24:56,120 --> 00:25:00,320 could not come back and even put something back on the ballot 577 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,320 to ask voters to fix something that was wrong with it 578 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,800 unless they had an 80% approval rate. 579 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,240 Can you imagine getting 80% of both the House and the Senate 580 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,320 to pass something anywhere, let alone even in Missouri? 581 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,920 Like, anyway, so it's a really unreasonable bar. 582 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:25,040 And it sets Missouri up for failure because it can lock bad

law into place 583 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,920 with no recourse. 584 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,920 So like it does that. 585 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,640 It also would put in there that the legislature in the future 586 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,400 could not ever do anything to restrict the referendum process. 587 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,080 And it also enshrines the court's ability 588 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,880 to rewrite ballot language in the Constitution. 589 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,360 And the court's rewriting ballot language 590 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,680 has been a persistent problem in Missouri. 591 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:58,720 Amendment 6, let's courts revise ballot summaries through lawsuits. 592 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:06,400 So more leftist court activism rewriting our ballot summaries. 593 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,600 Yeah, and the reason that they are doing this 594 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,320 is because there was a bill that was-- 595 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,600 it was passed into the courts through it out. 596 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,360 But it was passed a couple of years ago that basically said 597 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,920 that the Secretary of State, like the courts can't-- 598 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,760 if the opposition files a lawsuit, it is asking-- 599 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,480 it says the ballot language is unfair or it's not right or whatever it is. 600 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,120 It says that the court has to allow the Secretary of State 601 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,920 three chances to adjust it to their liking. 602 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,080 But they threw that out. 603 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,080 So this is really what they're wanting to do, 604 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,600 is they're wanting to make sure that the courts have 605 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,480 the ultimate power and authority and that never can be changed 606 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,680 to write that ballot language. 607 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,640 Amendment 4 lost by more than 80% in August. 608 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,040 What do you think that tells us about how Missourians feel 609 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,920 about the initiative process, Camilla? 610 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Well, we're asking them to vote yes. 611 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,480 So there's one hurdle. 612 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,560 I have seen a lot of people talking about it. 613 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,240 I don't know-- it's not been the firestorm that 4 and 5 were 614 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,360 in the primary, right? 615 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,720 So I don't know that-- 616 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,680 I think it's anybody's guess what a lot of people will walk into the ballot 617 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,320 box, read the language, and say which way they're going to vote. 618 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,640 Because I'm sure it is confusing for people because on its face, 619 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,600 that sounds like a good thing, because the messaging is easy, right? 620 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:36,240 The legislature shouldn't be able to undo the will of the people. 621 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,560 Camilla, they're spending millions and millions of dollars-- 622 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,040 I know. 623 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,520 --unions. 624 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,720 They're spending millions on the Yes on 6 campaign. 625 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,960 The no side has nothing organized. 626 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,480 Yeah, I mean, there is a small bit of organizations. 627 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,480 We have yard signs now. 628 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,200 But no, it is-- yeah, it's really challenging. 629 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,120 And this is all in the case. 630 00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,120 What's going on? 631 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,200 What are people-- 632 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,240 What are we doing? 633 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,440 I think that-- well, and the problem with Amendment 6 634 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,200 is kind of like the maps. 635 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,680 The Secretary of State was fighting with the courts up 636 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,080 until the last minute to try to keep it off of the ballot. 637 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,400 And there are a lot of legal claims that it is unconstitutional. 638 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,240 And so again, this goes back to Missouri Supreme Court 639 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,960 and how those judges are selected. 640 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,320 And the judges, by the way, in the map fight very clearly 641 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,960 showed that they have a personal bias and partisan interest 642 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,960 in their outcomes, because they were very 643 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,640 snarky in their opinions there at the end. 644 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:45,000 And I think that there's been this war that's been going on, 645 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840 especially in the last couple of years between the legislature 646 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,880 and the Supreme Court. 647 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:49,800 And there's been a lot of us that 648 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,280 have been pushing for a long time to repeal the Missouri court 649 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,400 plan. 650 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,200 So I'm sure we'll see that battle coming up. 651 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,600 But they have-- they're already-- even into that, 652 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,640 they see it coming because of all of the things 653 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,640 that have been going on. 654 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,640 They know the right is going to be coming after it again. 655 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,760 They've been pouring money into PACs already in preparation 656 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,520 for that. 657 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,040 Camilia. 658 00:29:08,040 -->

00:29:10,200 It's just a meal of money that goes into it. 659 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,680 Are we hoping for a low turnout? 660 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,560 I don't know that that helps us. 661 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,280 In fact, it really hurts us because-- 662 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,280 I thought it did. 663 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,600 I thought it helped us. 664 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,880 Yeah. 665 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,960 Well, I will say this. 666 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,720 At least in the primary in Missouri, 667 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,920 when 100,000 more Democrats showed up at the ballot box 668 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,880 than two years ago, I think the right 669 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,640 better take turnout pretty darn seriously. 670 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,120 Right. 671 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240 So more turnout equals more Democrats. 672 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,200 Well, I mean, OK. 673 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,320 But I mean, the problem is on our side. 674 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,960 Our side, for some reason, is terrible at showing up 675 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,920 at the ballot box. 676 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,400 Right. 677 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,840 So low turnout is better for us. 678 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,280 Well, I guess if it's low turnout of Democrats, 679 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,040 but that's not going to be-- 680 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,280 Camilia, I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. 681 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,400 No, I'm not. 682 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,800 High turnout. 683 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,280 More Democrats. 684 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,880 Low turnout. 685 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,600 Higher percentage of Republicans. 686 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,000 Yes? 687 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,320 I don't know that that's-- 688 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,240 You should know this, Camilia. 689 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,720 You should know this. 690 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,200 You should know this. 691 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,920 Well, it's fine if that has been the rule of thumb 692 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,640 or the norm in the past. 693 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,600 I don't think it's that way anymore. 694 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,680 We have a highly motivated-- 695 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,080 You don't think, or you don't know? 696 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,480 Oh, I'm positive, right? 697 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,160 I mean, I think that the primary showed us that immensely. 698 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,480 And I think that we'll see that again in November, too. 699 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,640 So yeah, two years ago, remember, 700 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,040 there was supposed to be this big red wave. 701 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,040 There was? 702 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,680 In 2024, in the presidential election season? 703 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,760 Yes, we were supposed to have a red wave. 704 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,640 And it was like a little whomp, whomp, you know? 705 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,640 We haven't had a red wave since the Tea Party years. 706 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,840 I can't remember the last time I've seen a red wave 707 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,480 in this country. 708 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:09,000 So if we go down in flames again this year, 709 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,040 will we have learned any lessons? 710 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,760 Are Republicans, Missouri Republicans, 711 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,160 going to get off of their ass and get a ground game going 712 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,120 and start putting money where it matters 713 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,800 to actually win some fights? 714 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,360 Because it's been a bad year. 715 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,680 It has been a bad year. 716 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,400 And I think that there's a lot of money that's 717 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,040 going into Amendment 3, right? 718 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,960 I mean, we're much better organized on that 719 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,080 than we were two years ago when we passed 720 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,600 wide open abortion in Missouri. 721 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,880 So the fight to undo that this time around that's also 722 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,560 on the ballot, there is a much better organized effort 723 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,840 behind that. 724 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,800 It seems like we just have trouble doing more than one 725 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,560 thing at a time. 726 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,320 So anyway, but yeah, I don't know. 727 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,800 I mean, what I keep thinking is politics 728 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,480 is downstream of culture. 729 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,960 And we have seen that Missourians in general of the populace 730 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,560 are not as conservative as our legislature is. 731 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,480 I think that-- I mean, they're conservative in some ways. 732 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480 They're not fiscally conservative, right? 733 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,240 I think they are more socially conservative. 734 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,480 They're just socially conservative, yeah. 735 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:22,960 Right. 736 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,000 And so I don't-- like, I think one of our biggest challenges 737 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,880 ahead is education, right? 738 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,360 I mean, I don't know how you turn the tide even nationally 739 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,320 whenever government takes care of so many of your problems. 740 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,240 And like Missouri, like many places, 741 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,720 are looking at like the budget's going to have to tighten 742 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,360 and things are going to have to get

cut. 743 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,600 But that means telling people no. 744 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,000 And even conservatives are used to getting their government 745 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,080 handout. 746 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,720 And all of a sudden, they're not so conservative anymore. 747 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,040 So I think we have kind of a culture 748 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,800 problem along with this. 749 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,360 Yeah, no, you're right, Camelia. 750 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,600 I just don't know what it's going 751 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,960 to take to actually get Missouri Republicans to fight. 752 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,800 Thank you so much for your time, Camelia. 753 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,120 Is there anything else you want to share with our audience 754 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,400 before we let you go? 755 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,080 No, have a great week. 756 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,400 We have, what, four weeks till the election? 757 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,760 Turn out, get out and vote. 758 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:19,640 Don't stay home. 759 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,360 All right, Camelia, thanks so much for your time. 760 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,360 We'll see you on Thursday. 761 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,480 We can't wait for Thursday, Camelia. 762 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,480 Have a great day, everyone. 763 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,760 Welcome back to the Wake Up America Show. 764 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,920 I'm your host, Austin Peterson. 765 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,800 We're glad and thankful to have you here. 766 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,840 Early on Monday morning before the sun came up, 767 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,520 agents from Homeland Security Investigations, 768 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,840 which is the criminal arm of ICE, 769 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,760 searched Rep Ilhan Omar's home in the Washington area. 770 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,600 The Justice Department calls it a, quote, 771 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,920 "judicially authorized search warrant 772 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,880 in an ongoing federal criminal investigation." 773 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,120 And that's all it's saying at the moment. 774 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,440 Borders are Tom Homan says the warrant was signed by a judge 775 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,920 with the DOJ leading the case alongside Homeland Security. 776 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,560 Now Fox News and ABC News are both 777 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,400 reporting the probe centers on Omar's immigration paperwork. 778 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,480 And Vice President J.D. Vance said back in May, 779 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,520 the administration would look at her for immigration fraud. 780 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,760 So here's the fight. 781 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,880 This happens less than a month before the midterms. 782 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,360 Omar is

on the ballot. 783 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,760 And the Justice Department has a long custom, 784 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,960 although not a law, of avoiding big moves in the 60 days 785 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,140 before the election, typically. 786 00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:26,000 House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries and his top deputies 787 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,080 are calling this, quote, "deeply disturbing" 788 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,360 and promised, quote, "full accountability." 789 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,480 Omar says she's OK. 790 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,480 She calls it part of Trump's smear campaigns. 791 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,360 But here's the twist. 792 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,040 Attorney General Todd Blanche, back when 793 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,040 he was Trump's personal lawyer, argued 794 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,920 that moving on a case near an election 795 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,120 was election interference. 796 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,920 A warrant just means that a judge saw enough 797 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,560 to let agents look for evidence. 798 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,120 And that's not quite evidence of guilt. 799 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,040 Joining us now to discuss from the Article III project, 800 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,440 attorney Will Chamberlain back on the Wake Up America show. 801 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,280 Good morning, Will. 802 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,720 Thanks for joining us. 803 00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:59,200 Good to be with you, Austin. 804 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,320 Will, so to get this warrant, what 805 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,520 does the Justice Department have to show a judge 806 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,800 and who signs off on it? 807 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,680 Well, so it's as simple as the Justice Department has 808 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,120 to show that there's probable cause, 809 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,840 that there's evidence of a crime at the location, 810 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,840 and the judge has to agree. 811 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,720 And so in this case, the New York Times reported 812 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,760 didn't have the exact statutes because they 813 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,680 were relying on sources and who wouldn't give them the document, 814 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,960 but that there were various false statement charges 815 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,400 and a general conspiracy charge and questions 816 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,640 about underlying immigration fraud, all of which 817 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,400 kind of makes sense. 818 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,120 And if you want me to explain what I think is going on, 819 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,040 I'm happy to do that. 820 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,520 Yeah, we'll get there in just a second. 821 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,880 I just want the viewers to understand the process. 822 00:35:39,880 -->

00:35:43,320 Do judges turn down warrant applications 823 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,840 from the DOJ very often? 824 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,200 Not often, but it happens. 825 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,920 I mean, and it's not totally uncommon. 826 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,480 I mean, usually DOJ has a good sense 827 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,280 of what probable cause requires. 828 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,400 I mean, they do this every day in every district 829 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,200 in the country for any number of every criminal defendant that 830 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,400 comes in the federal courts. 831 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,080 So usually going to the judge is a big time waste 832 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,200 if the judge is going to turn around and say no, 833 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,360 and the judge will be annoyed. 834 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,280 So there's generally a good sense within DOJ 835 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,120 about when the warrant application is 836 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,680 ready to be shown to a judge, which 837 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,440 is why they don't get declined that often. 838 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,400 So is it rare that people get searched and never charged, 839 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,800 or is it common? 840 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,760 That's an interesting-- 841 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,760 I don't actually know the answer to that question. 842 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,520 I think my intuition is that usually a search of a home 843 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,200 like this will end up being followed with a charge 844 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,120 because it's the kind of thing that's 845 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,800 done towards the end of an investigation, 846 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,800 not at the beginning, because they already 847 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,920 have to have probable cause that evidence of a crime is there, 848 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,680 which means they already have a lot of evidence 849 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,800 that they found through other means 850 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,000 to kind of get to that bar where they could actually 851 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,900 go to your house. 852 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,880 So then what can we reasonably infer from this search warrant, 853 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,320 Will? 854 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,880 I suspect that they're pretty close 855 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,800 to the end of an investigation about the fact that-- 856 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,720 Recording in progress. 857 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,520 Is it Ilhan obtained her-- 858 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,480 sorry. 859 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,240 I suspect we're pretty close to finding out 860 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:01,000 that Ilhan obtained her naturalization 861 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,480 fraudulently through her father. 862 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,120 I think that that's the

simplest explanation here. 863 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,360 And there's just so many different ways in which fraud 864 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,400 could have happened here. 865 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,320 I mean, really, her father obtained the ability 866 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,840 to come to the United States in 1995 867 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,800 right after Somalia's civil war. 868 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,120 And he was in a Kenyan refugee camp at the time. 869 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,200 And there's a whole slew of fraudulent activity 870 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,160 going on in that refugee camp at the time, 871 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,360 which is sort of understandable because that was a really not 872 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,400 pleasant place in 1995. 873 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,880 No kidding. 874 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,360 You're right. 875 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,800 Fox reported that this involved immigration paperwork 876 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,320 that her father filled out when she was a child. 877 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,260 So how does the law treat statements 878 00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:41,800 made on a minor's behalf? 879 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,120 Well, as a civil matter, if your naturalization 880 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,680 was obtained by fraud, it was void ab initio, 881 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,960 which means it can be revoked. 882 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,720 And essentially, it just never happened. 883 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,960 And so even if you weren't the person responsible 884 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,240 for obtaining a fraudulent naturalization, 885 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,960 if it was fraudulent, it can be revoked. 886 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,720 Now, as for the criminal charges, 887 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,680 merely saying you could be denaturalized 888 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,520 doesn't mean that there's a crime committed. 889 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,000 And obviously, the initial crimes that were committed 890 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,420 were committed 30 years ago and are well 891 00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:10,600 beyond the statute of limitations. 892 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,440 But the problem for Ilhan Omar is 893 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,920 that if you know that your citizenship was obtained 894 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,880 fraudulently, which she darn well might-- 895 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,400 and I could explain a number of reasons why-- 896 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,480 then every time you reattest that you are a citizen 897 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,240 or reattest, say, your date of birth, 898 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,780 that is a new crime if you know it's false. 899 00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:35,080 So that's Ilhan Omar's potential criminal exposure here. 900 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,460 It's not that she's going to be charged necessarily 901 00:38:39,460 --> 00:38:41,720 with the marriage fraud

as an independent crime, 902 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,200 because the statute of limitations 903 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,280 on that has probably run. 904 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,400 It's that she may well be charged with crimes based 905 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,120 on more recent statements. 906 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,040 And if the government is able to kind of craft this 907 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,920 into a broader conspiracy, then she 908 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,800 might be charged with some of the conduct that might otherwise 909 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,600 be passed the statute of limitations. 910 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,620 What makes you think that she knew that her immigration was 911 00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:05,720 potentially fraudulent? 912 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:07,120 Well, she was born in 1982. 913 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,200 And she came to this country in 1995. 914 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,040 So she would have been about 13 years old. 915 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,640 At 13, one probably has a good sense of who one's father is. 916 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,440 Also, at 13, probably one has a good sense 917 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,280 of how old they are and also what family they're a part of. 918 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,320 Now, there's two different aspects 919 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,640 to the potential fraud here based 920 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,120 on public reporting that's been done for the last decade 921 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,300 by people like David Steinberg and Scott Johnson at Powerline. 922 00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:32,840 Basically, there's a real question. 923 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,000 First, it's pretty clear that Ilhan Omar's father 924 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,160 was a high ranking member of Siad Barre's regime in Somalia. 925 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,960 Siad Barre was a communist dictator, 926 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,080 or at least a socialist revolutionary one. 927 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,280 Under American law, if you are a member of such a regime, 928 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,640 you are completely inadmissible for immigration 929 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,440 to the United States under all circumstances, 930 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,640 as are your family members. 931 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,440 You're not eligible because you are a member 932 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,680 of a communist organization. 933 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,720 When they applied for naturalization, 934 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,280 it's pretty clear they did not mention 935 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,040 that this father had been a member of a communist 936 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,720 organization. 937 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:11,720 So if, indeed, there is proof that her father obtained-- 938 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,840 was this person who was a high ranking colonel, 939 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,920 that naturalization was fraudulent in the same way 940 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,760 that the United States revoked the naturalizations 941 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,120 of former Nazi guards who hid their affiliation. 942 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,920 And then it was revealed 30 years later 943 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,640 that they were, in fact, members of the Nazi regime. 944 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,880 Their naturalization was revoked and they were deported. 945 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,480 So that's a similar-- that's the first problem she's facing. 946 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,980 The second problem she's facing is that it's not clear-- 947 00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:37,480 they were honest about what family they were a member of. 948 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,480 There's some very-- remember, all this talk 949 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,680 about the marriage of her brother is relevant insofar 950 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,120 as it indicates that if something was wrong 951 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,000 with the initial naturalization in the first place. 952 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,840 Because if this family was naturalized properly, 953 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,560 there's no reason they couldn't have brought their whole family 954 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,040 over in one swoop. 955 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,680 But what it sounds like is there was some sort of family merger 956 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,560 going on, where Ilhan's father and herself were kind of merged 957 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,440 into a family that did have the right to come to the country 958 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,040 and naturalize, or something along those lines. 959 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,760 And so if there was any sort of dishonesty about who she was, 960 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,200 personally, like what her name was, anything like that, 961 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,920 that's also obtained fraudulently. 962 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,920 And then finally, there's the matter of her age. 963 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,680 It's not clear that they said she 964 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,040 was 17 when her father filed for her naturalization. 965 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,160 But there's some suggestion that she was actually 18 going on 19 966 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:25,840 when that happened. 967 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,960 If she was an adult and misstated her age, 968 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,480 that's another way in which the naturalization would 969 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,320 have been obtained fraudulently, and therefore, be void. 970 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,560 Now, criminal naturalization fraud generally 971 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,280 has a 10-year statute of limitations 972 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,160 from what I could see. 973 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,360 Her paperwork dates back decades. 974 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,240 So how is a criminal case still possible? 975 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,840 Well, the statute of limitations is

a defense. 976 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,720 It's not actually an element of the crime, 977 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,760 meaning that federal grand juries can investigate even crimes 978 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,200 beyond the statute of limitations. 979 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,320 They just will ultimately, if they try and indict that crime 980 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,720 alone, will run into a-- 981 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,760 you know, will get dismissed on a motion to dismiss. 982 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,020 But it doesn't stop you from investigating crimes committed 983 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:04,400 long ago. 984 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,560 Moreover, because there's all these questions about, 985 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,080 as I said, the way in which you might have restated or reaffirmed 986 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,600 under oath the lies that were included in the original 987 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,600 fraudulent naturalization documents, 988 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,480 that would be a new crime within the statute. 989 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,120 So I looked up the history of this de-naturalization stuff, 990 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,360 and I found a Supreme Court case called Maslan Jack 991 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,080 versus the United States. 992 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:37,520 And the question is about civil de-naturalization. 993 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,240 Do you think civil de-naturalization 994 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,840 is the most likely path that could be pursued here? 995 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,240 And what does the government have 996 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,800 to prove after that Supreme Court case? 997 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,440 Well, again, civil de-naturalization, as I said, 998 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,840 there's no statute of limitations. 999 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,480 It's a civil matter. 1000 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,680 And so if she is unlawfully-- 1001 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,400 if her citizenship was obtained fraudulently, 1002 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,440 even if that happened a long time ago, 1003 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,440 it just doesn't matter, as far as I can tell. 1004 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,720 That's my understanding of the law. 1005 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,640 If you're just tuning into the Wake Up America show right now, 1006 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,800 I'm speaking to Will Chamberlain of the Article III 1007 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,560 project about the early morning raid of Congresswoman Ilhan 1008 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,280 Omar. 1009 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,920 Has a sitting member of Congressmen ever 1010 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,560 faced de-naturalization? 1011 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,520 Is this unprecedented, Will? 1012 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,320 Yes, this is unprecedented. 1013 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,080 They're not the first person to have their-- 1014 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,120

as I said, there were people who were 1015 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,920 former members of the Nazis regime who lived very quietly 1016 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,320 lives, and then finally, they were hunted down. 1017 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,320 The interesting thing about Omar is given her-- 1018 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,680 if it's true that her naturalization was 1019 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,120 based on tenuous grounds, it is a surprising decision of hers 1020 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,120 to run for public office, because that usually 1021 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,120 tends to lead to people examining your background 1022 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:42,960 more thoroughly. 1023 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,960 And I think there was a lack of understanding 1024 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,160 of what the consequences of that might be for her own ability 1025 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,840 to stay in the United States. 1026 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,920 So the speech or debate clause protects legislative acts, Will, 1027 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,920 but does it have anything to say about a search 1028 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,640 of a member's home over conduct from before she was elected? 1029 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,220 I mean, it could have a say-- 1030 00:44:00,220 --> 00:44:01,680 apparently, the New York Times reported 1031 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,760 that there was some back and forth between the judge 1032 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,880 and the DOJ about exactly that, the speech and debate clause, 1033 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,320 and what it impacted might have on some of the crimes that 1034 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,320 were being charged here. 1035 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,720 But I fail to see-- the speech and debate clause 1036 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:15,600 couldn't possibly protect your statements under oath 1037 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,460 that you were making to, say, obtain a passport 1038 00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:21,160 or to otherwise reaffirm that you are a citizen. 1039 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,040 Now, I mean, I think there's an interesting question 1040 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,600 about it, whether it applied to-- 1041 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,920 she might have said she's a citizen in Congress 1042 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,920 or on some form when she was applying 1043 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,120 to become a Congresswoman. 1044 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,640 And I could see how there's a speech and debate clause 1045 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,720 question there. 1046 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,760 But for most of the conduct in question, no. 1047 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,160 OK, so what if agencies, phones, or laptops 1048 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,560 that contain legislative communications? 1049 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,360 What about then? 1050 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,080 Well, then you'd have a circumstance. 1051 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,960 If they're worried about

that, they'd 1052 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,280 have some sort of taint team, like any circumstance 1053 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,480 in which the government seizes material. 1054 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,720 But it seizes an electronic device 1055 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,880 that they believe contains some privileged material 1056 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,240 and some unprivileged material. 1057 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:03,320 The way you handle that is you have a team of prosecutors 1058 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,440 who are walled off from the rest of the actual prosecution team. 1059 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,520 And they go through that device, evaluate the material 1060 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,680 for privilege, remove the privileged material 1061 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,200 from what they present they've shipped on to the team who's 1062 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,560 actually prosecuting the case. 1063 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,560 Now, Omar is saying this is a political intimidation. 1064 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,840 Conservatives were saying the same thing about the raids 1065 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,680 on Trump and his allies. 1066 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,680 So how do we tell a legitimate investigation 1067 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,160 from a political one, Will? 1068 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,920 Well, I mean, you look at the underlying facts 1069 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,160 and see whether there's potential criminal activity 1070 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:34,800 there, I think. 1071 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,640 And this is one of those cases that's been-- 1072 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,840 the noise about this case has been going for a decade now. 1073 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,880 I mean, there's been a lot of whistleblowing, 1074 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,480 I think, mostly often coming from the Somali community itself, 1075 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,000 about how something's wrong with her citizenship, 1076 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,800 how her naturalization was obtained fraudulently, 1077 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,040 how she married her brother. 1078 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,680 The reason to marry your brother is 1079 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,240 because the citizenship wasn't obtained fraudulently. 1080 00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:57,320 And you have to rely on underhanded ways 1081 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,160 to reunify your family. 1082 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,120 Because if you'd been honest about the family 1083 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,160 membership in the first instance, 1084 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,160 it would be very easy for him to bring him over. 1085 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,800 I mean, because you can always bring over your brother, 1086 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,320 or at least if you're a citizen yourself. 1087 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,400 Or usually, not always, but usually. 1088 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,560 And so there's been a lot of smoke for a long time. 1089 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,640 So it's not surprising that the Trump administration 1090 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,040 was able to look at this and then go to a federal judge 1091 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,900 and be like, look, there's evidence of a federal crime 1092 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:25,400 here. 1093 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,960 And the judge, a DC judge, who aren't notoriously friendly 1094 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,600 Republicans, agreed. 1095 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,240 I was surprised when I saw that the DOJ apparently 1096 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:36,020 does have a 60-day custom about not making big moves 1097 00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:37,600 right before an election. 1098 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,400 So do you think that searching a candidate's home three weeks 1099 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,880 out, breaking this custom means that the evidence there 1100 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,920 is very strong and unprecedented? 1101 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,760 Probably at all. 1102 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,800 Also, I think that after what-- 1103 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,400 Jack Smith engaged in some pretty serious investigative moves 1104 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,040 in the run-up to the election. 1105 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,440 And the Democrats try to lawyer this and say, oh, well, 1106 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,840 he didn't indict, but he did some other major thing 1107 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,240 in the run-up to the election. 1108 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:03,520 So that doesn't really count. 1109 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,040 And it's like, OK, this was a custom. 1110 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,000 This is not a hard and fast rule. 1111 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,980 And if you expect Republicans to respect these customs when 1112 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:13,240 you yourself didn't with a leading presidential candidate 1113 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:15,720 or the other party, I think you're 1114 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:16,960 being so much frivolous. 1115 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,880 Not you, but the people making this argument. 1116 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,840 The royal you, yes. 1117 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,720 Now, J.D. Vance back in May, Tom Homan last month 1118 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,680 both talked publicly about looking at Omar. 1119 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,960 Does that hurt the case? 1120 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,880 I mean, she could try and add that to an argument 1121 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,520 about vindictive prosecution if they ever 1122 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,560 bring a charge against her. 1123 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,320 But that seems pretty weak, honestly. 1124 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,040 It's just them saying what-- based 1125 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,800 on what publicly available information that they think 1126 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,640 she committed a crime. 1127 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,680 And neither Homan nor J.D. Vance is

in the chain of command 1128 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,720 for actually making decisions about Ilhan Omar's indictment 1129 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:47,680 or not. 1130 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,120 J.D. Vance is completely out of the chain of command 1131 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,720 on the DOJ. 1132 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:53,080 Homan is at DHS. 1133 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,120 Or he's not even at DHS. 1134 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,880 He's literally just an immigration czar. 1135 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,760 So he doesn't, I don't think, control how 1136 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,640 things work on this front. 1137 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,200 So yeah, I don't see how that would work. 1138 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,960 OK, one thing I didn't understand 1139 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,600 is just why would ICE's criminal unit and not the FBI 1140 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,560 run a search on a sitting member of Congress? 1141 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,400 Well, it's a Homeland Security investigation. 1142 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,640 It's not ICE. 1143 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,960 And Homeland Security's investigations purview 1144 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,400 includes immigration fraud. 1145 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,240 They can investigate immigration fraud because I mean, 1146 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:22,800 naturalization happens through them. 1147 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,680 So they've got a pretty wide remit 1148 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,680 when it comes to these things. 1149 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,520 And so immigration fraud is within-- 1150 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,360 it's not ICE, right? 1151 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,280 ICE is its own enforcement operation. 1152 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,800 It's Homeland Security investigations, 1153 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,800 which is like a investigatory unit of Homeland Security. 1154 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,560 OK, would the DOJ's public integrity section 1155 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,080 normally have to sign off an warrant for a lawmaker's home? 1156 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,840 I don't know. 1157 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,960 I actually don't know the answer to that question. 1158 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,560 Sounds-- maybe? 1159 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,440 I don't know. 1160 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,520 It's probably one of those things you could quickly 1161 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,600 Google if you needed to. 1162 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,640 Yeah, Ilhan Omar had a famous clip. 1163 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,520 She said, investigate me all we want. 1164 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,560 Looks like she's getting her-- 1165 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,760 she's getting her wish here. 1166 00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,880 The Democrats promise full accountability. 1167 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,600 What happens if they win the House, though? 1168 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,520 What can they actually do? 1169 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,440 I mean, they could run their own investigation 1170 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,520 of the investigation. 1171 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,000 They could do a congressional investigation 1172 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,520 to try and bring everybody in and explain 1173 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,480 what's going on here. 1174 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,640 But other than that, I don't think much else 1175 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,640 could be done about this. 1176 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,360 They don't control the executive branch. 1177 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,720 This is sort of-- 1178 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,400 Trump made this point recently when he's like, 1179 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,000 the Iranians are really relying on winning the midterm elections. 1180 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,840 And it's like, you guys seem to forget that I'm still 1181 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,000 going to be president in January regardless of what happens. 1182 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,720 And I run the executive branch. 1183 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:31,080 Prosecution is an executive branch authority in Toto. 1184 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,360 So they're not going to be able to do that much about it. 1185 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,440 Can Omar's team go to the court and then un-seal the warrant 1186 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,640 affidavit before election day? 1187 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,320 Oh, good question. 1188 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,960 Before election day, I think maybe? 1189 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,440 I don't know exactly what the rules are about sealed warrants 1190 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,240 and what is required. 1191 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:54,120 I suspect that it would be hard for them 1192 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,400 to do it if the government didn't agree. 1193 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,520 Because usually if the government doesn't 1194 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,320 want to unseal a warrant, they are able to keep it sealed. 1195 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,880 And they're able to go to the court 1196 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,960 and say things like, we don't want to unseal it yet 1197 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,640 because there's an ongoing investigation 1198 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,700 and we don't want to alert other potential defendants 1199 00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:12,040 or other potential investigatory targets of that we 1200 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,000 are thinking about them. 1201 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000 That's why we want this under seal until this is all revealed. 1202 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,680 What do you expect to happen if, in a worst case scenario, 1203 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,120 Democrats take the Senate and the House with this? 1204 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,160 I mean, there's going to be a lot of investigations. 1205 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,960 I think the big thing they'll try and do 1206 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,800 is they'll try and hold the

government hostage 1207 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,680 to force the executive branch to do things 1208 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,400 we don't want to do. 1209 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,120 That would be their big power. 1210 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,040 If they had the Senate, they could basically 1211 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,180 refuse to confirm anybody. 1212 00:50:37,180 --> 00:50:39,440 And they could refuse to pass any appropriations. 1213 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,120 So they would have the ability to hold the whole government 1214 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,140 hostage to prevent us from doing anything or appointing anybody. 1215 00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:48,600 And they could start defunding various things as well. 1216 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,360 If they have both the House and the Senate, 1217 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,480 they have reconciliation so they can start wiping out 1218 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,160 funding for various projects that the Republicans have. 1219 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,880 So it is quite important that, if you 1220 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,640 want to see things like this done and followed through on, 1221 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,880 you need to vote Republican as you should. 1222 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,760 Would you expect that, in that scenario, 1223 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,800 the Democrats would also move for impeachment again? 1224 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,920 Yes, of course. 1225 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:09,520 OK. 1226 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,420 Will Chamberlain joins us here live 1227 00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:12,920 from the Wake Up America show. 1228 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,220 Hope you guys are enjoying it. 1229 00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:15,560 Please click the Like button if today 1230 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,640 is the first time you've ever watched the show. 1231 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,840 Click the Follow button as well. 1232 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,720 One of the most controversial candidacies 1233 00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:27,160 that we've seen this year in Ohio with Vivek Ramaswamy 1234 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,120 fighting-- 1235 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,400 how do you feel about that race? 1236 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,120 I mean, there's a lot of psyops that 1237 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,120 are going on with the betting market odds and things 1238 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,040 like that. 1239 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,520 At least the media seems to make it seem like the Republicans 1240 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,960 are in a dire scenario. 1241 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,600 But I could see Democrats taking the House but not the Senate. 1242 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,880 What do you think? 1243 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:45,400 Yeah. 1244 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,400 I think that's the most likely outcome, honestly. 1245 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,240 I think these Senate races are a pretty hard road. 1246 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:52,960 I

don't know. 1247 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,320 They don't look probable to me that they're 1248 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,360 going to get enough Senate seats. 1249 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,620 I think they've got a lot of problems in various races. 1250 00:51:57,620 --> 00:51:59,000 They need to win Maine. 1251 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,080 Susan Collins looks like she's up in Maine. 1252 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,080 After, you know, the Maine Democrats basically 1253 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,080 imploded and had to replace a candidate last minute 1254 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,720 with a guy who married his second cousin. 1255 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:09,880 It just seems kind of weird, frankly. 1256 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,320 Abdul El-Sayed is a nightmare candidate in Michigan, 1257 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,120 frankly. 1258 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,960 He keeps putting his foot in his mouth. 1259 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,440 He's hung out with jihadists. 1260 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,360 I mean, he tries to say, oh, I've had no relation-- 1261 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,040 my family's had no relation to Muslim Brotherhood. 1262 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,800 Meanwhile, his sister is on Twitter saying, 1263 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,040 we're a Muslim Brotherhood family. 1264 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,520 You know, and his mom worked for an organization 1265 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,360 indicted for funding al-Qaeda. 1266 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,440 Like, he's just a bad news candidate, frankly. 1267 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,560 And Mike Rogers is a pretty normal, moderate Republican. 1268 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,960 So that's going to be a huge problem for them. 1269 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,680 They've got to win that state, too. 1270 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,200 I'm sorry. 1271 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,520 I don't believe that James Talarico is up in Texas. 1272 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,280 We won that state by 15 points. 1273 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,160 I don't believe you. 1274 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,480 That is the most bizarre thing that people actually 1275 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,960 believe that a Democrat is going to win a Senate seat 1276 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,600 in the deepest of deep red states in Texas. 1277 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,840 They're printing money, by the way, over there on Kalshi.com. 1278 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,480 We are sponsored by Kalshi, by the way, just FYI. 1279 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,160 But yeah. 1280 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,120 Talarico and then what, Iowa, I think they're feeling? 1281 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,840 Yeah, Iowa's somehow going to go blue 1282 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,920 after having been red for like a decade easily and every time. 1283 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,800 And the thing about Iowa, too, is it's like every year 1284 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,200 it feels like there's a polling miss in favor of Republicans. 1285 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,760 Iowa was the place of the famous like Seltzer, Kamala, 1286 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,320 plus 3 poll, if you remember that right. 1287 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,400 And we won that state by 7 or something. 1288 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,800 So just a 10 point miss. 1289 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,760 I don't believe that these people polling Iowa 1290 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,160 have a good sense of Iowa voters. 1291 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,880 And I mean, I just I'll believe it when I see it. 1292 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,240 We've had in the primaries, especially, 1293 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:41,240 we had huge polling misses. 1294 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,840 And in Michigan, where else I had was projected to win 1295 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,040 by like 15, Francesca Hong was projected to win by 20 1296 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,120 and then lost. 1297 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,680 And so these are big, big misses. 1298 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,560 And it just strikes me the more and more people 1299 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,920 move to cell phones and the more and more, 1300 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,160 there's spam calls all the time. 1301 00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,720 So people aren't picking up their phone. 1302 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,760 It strikes me it's extremely challenging 1303 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,920 to poll an American electorate in 2026. 1304 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,760 And probably Republicans are more the type 1305 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,000 not to answer the phones. 1306 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,280 Well, Ohio is not Texas, although it is a state 1307 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,200 that Trump won by, I believe, 10 points. 1308 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,760 A lot of our fellow Republicans are either sitting out 1309 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,400 or actively working against Vivek Ramaswamy, 1310 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,200 saying things like they want to vote for Amy Acton 1311 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,600 because they don't want Vivek Ramaswamy 1312 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,720 to bring in a million H1Bs to Ohio, 1313 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:30,320 even though he has no authority to do that. 1314 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,680 To what do you attribute the hostility 1315 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,360 against Vivek Ramaswamy? 1316 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,520 Do you think that the polls are accurate that show him down? 1317 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,160 Or do you think that it's a red straight? 1318 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,080 It was strong, Trump won, and he's likely to win. 1319 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,720 I think Vivek's gonna win. 1320 00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:45,400 I think John Husted's gonna win. 1321 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,560 I think, I mean, it's Ohio. 1322 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,120 I really just do think the Republicans 1323 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,360 are gonna pull it out. 1324 00:54:49,360 -->

00:54:50,280 The people who are trying, 1325 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,340 this feels like a very online phenomena to me, 1326 00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:53,880 where people are going after Vivek 1327 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,080 over like not being a hard ass enough on immigration. 1328 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,480 He has the Trump endorsement and the thing, 1329 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,200 he doesn't have power to do the things 1330 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,920 that you might object to. 1331 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,020 This strikes me as also part of a broader theme 1332 00:55:05,020 --> 00:55:06,160 where there's a slew. 1333 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,600 The people who are angry about Vivek 1334 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:08,400 and not gonna vote for him 1335 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,760 tend to are the people who want to vote against Trump 1336 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,640 and thwart the agenda and say they're staying home 1337 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:13,600 else otherwise. 1338 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,960 And it's like their ego invested in proving 1339 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,000 that Trump can't win without me 1340 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,920 and Trump can't win without my faction. 1341 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,420 So we're gonna punish Trump for not doing that. 1342 00:55:23,420 --> 00:55:25,560 And all you're really gonna do is punish yourself 1343 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:26,400 if you're in Ohio. 1344 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,360 If you're an Ohio voter and you vote in a Democrat governor, 1345 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,600 you're punishing yourself. 1346 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,280 If you think that governor is gonna help you, 1347 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,040 that governor is gonna enable sanctuary cities in your state 1348 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,840 and you're gonna have violent illegal immigration 1349 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,200 throughout the, you know, you're in violent illegal 1350 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,040 immigration state. 1351 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,800 Like just look what Spamburger's done in Virginia. 1352 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,840 Do you want like what having in Virginia and Fairfax 1353 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:50,680 to happen in your state? 1354 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,160 No, vote no. 1355 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,160 I think that's crazy. 1356 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,360 And I think people are being silly 1357 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,680 when they vote against fake. 1358 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,440 I think we'll be a fine governor. 1359 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:58,760 - Same here, Will Chamberlain. 1360 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,320 Will, we know your time is very viable. 1361 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,360 So thank you for being so generous with it this morning. 1362 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,200 If you'd like to share anything now 1363 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,320 or plug anything with our audience before you go, 1364 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,540 please do so. 1365 00:56:07,540 --> 00:56:08,380 - Sure, yeah. 1366 00:56:08,380 --> 00:56:09,580 I have a new podcast, it's called Counterweight. 1367 00:56:09,580 --> 00:56:12,400 I do in-depth interviews on subjects twice a week. 1368 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:13,800 The latest one that came out this morning 1369 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,760 is an interview with a guy named Bojan Panshevsky 1370 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,160 who wrote a brilliant book on the Nord Stream pipeline 1371 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,600 and who actually blew it up. 1372 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,000 And it's a fascinating interview 1373 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,620 and I think you'll really enjoy it if you listen. 1374 00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:23,460 - I love it. 1375 00:56:23,460 --> 00:56:25,120 I can't wait to watch it as soon as we get off the show 1376 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:25,960 right here this morning. 1377 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,000 Thanks so much, Will. 1378 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,800 Appreciate you, have a wonderful day. 1379 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:29,640 - You too. 1380 00:56:29,890 --> 00:56:31,450 That's today's Wake Up America Show. 1381 00:56:31,450 --> 00:56:32,490 Thanks so much for tuning in. 1382 00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:33,570 Follow the podcast. 1383 00:56:33,570 --> 00:56:37,470 So tomorrow's edition is waiting for you, and watch the full show anytime 1384 00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:39,810 at 4LibertyNetwork.com.