บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Morgan Pearson!!!

people who haven't done long course or at least haven't done much, but maybe showed a little bit promise in the long course, um as like kind of the hot shot, you know, which makes sense because um if they're you know if if everything else if you if you're racing long course all year, you can just get in by ranking, right? 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.919 So they kind of gotta give it to short course people, I think. 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.199 I know that one girl who wasn't, but anyways. 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:20.159 Yeah, I think you're also a pretty popular guy, people like you, which I think the the T100 seemed to have gone with a mix of popularity and how good you are at short course in 2025 for those hot shot uh spots. 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:25.599 Um who when you say he reached out to you, was it like Dylan McNeese, the head of liaison? 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:27.439 Yeah, yeah. 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:28.879 Yeah, he sent me an email. 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:37.599 And on it, I mean I don't know, I don't know, I don't think it's a big deal, the details, but I like I did I thought they were just maybe making a list of people them they were gonna consider. 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:44.080 So I was like, uh yeah, I would I would consider it, and then you know, the next day they were like we were talking about actually doing it. 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:45.599 So it happened really fast. 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:50.879 Um so I mean I'm sure they're considering others, and maybe those people turned it down or something. 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:57.520 And I got, you know, I was a I was down a list a few, but hey, that's I'm I'm gonna go. 00:03:57.840 --> 00:03:59.039 Yeah, I don't think I don't know. 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:04.639 I reckon hey, I think you definitely would have been in the in the top handful of people they would have wanted. 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:10.000 So it's good that it's good for like us fans who get to watch you do a mix of short course and long course this year. 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:19.199 And you've just recently announced um in the last week that you're also gonna have a crack at running and and particularly with a focus on the 2028 Olympics. 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:22.959 So can you talk to me about that decision and and give us the details? 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:45.279 Um yeah, I mean it's not I wouldn't say it's a decision as in I'm committing to anything, uh, but it's you know, the Olympic trials for the marathon in the US is usually uh in between the months of you know November to February before the before the Olympics. 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.720 So kind of that like it's kind of the off season of triathlon too. 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:57.439 So um yeah, I mean I've I've run a half marathon a few times now, and my time would get into the trials uh regardless. 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:59.839 Um each year, you know. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.920 I think in the past it was like a sub-63, got into the Olympic trials marathon.

00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:07.839 So yeah, I think uh I think it's something I'm considering. 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.680 If I you know, it's uh I really I still want to try to qualify for the triathlon. 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:13.199 I know it, I know it won't be easy. 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:21.439 There's some young guys in the US, and um, you know, I'll be getting a little bit older and all that, but you know, given that it's a a home Olympics, I just you know I can't resist. 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:25.839 I can't resist trying to at least give it a go for the for the triathlon. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:49.920 Um and then yeah, if I can maybe qualify a year out like I did in before Paris, I think um taking a stab in the marathon that that winter um and maybe trying to run for uh you know maybe my thought is maybe next win, you know, maybe 2026 or 2027 run one to see if I might, you know, see get a feel for it. 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:51.759 Um, you know, obviously it'd be really hard. 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:55.279 You know, there's you know, Connor Mans just ran 57 59, 17. 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:57.600 You know, Clayton Young was top 10 in the Olympics. 00:05:57.680 --> 00:05:59.199 Those guys are I think they're both younger. 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:06.240 I mean, yeah, they're both younger than me anyways, but um, yeah, I think it'd be I think it'd be a cool thing to try. 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:08.240 I mean, I've been to two Olympics now. 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:11.279 Um so yeah, I mean, why not? 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:15.040 I mean, Taylor Nid did it in the the cycling, so why not why not try? 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.360 American distance running is just in a phenomenal spot at the moment. 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:21.279 It's yeah, it's crazy high level. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.319 So you've picked a a tough time to try and do it. 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:31.360 Um given that you're 31, I think you're 31, and because you were born 1993, right? 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:38.079 Um so you will be mid-30s by the time the the Olympics comes around. 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:41.279 You're just making your your step into long course now. 00:06:41.439 --> 00:07:00.160 Is it is it guaranteed in your mind that if you can, you will focus on the the Olympics, or is there a chance that if your long course career goes wow, maybe you start running some good half marathons, even even have a good marathon, that that your focus changes and you don't you decide not to go to the Olympics for trython? 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:07.839 And in fact, we see you targeting like the T100 or 70.3 world champs, or just straight going to some marathon majors and and targeting that? 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:09.920 Yeah, um, I that's a great question. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:20.800 And I think so, you know, I it the last couple years I've had some pretty good races for short course, but I've been uh I would say extremely inconsistent. 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:30.560 Um so I and and I think I think I'm that's what I'm trying to hopefully improve on, um just my consistency. 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:40.720 So I think you know, if I go the next couple years and things, you know, things aren't really changing, I'm you know, maybe I have one good race out of every three or four, like uh, you know, I don't know, I don't know. 00:07:40.800 --> 00:08:05.680 Maybe I will, you know, be like, hey, like this is uh this was never really meant to be, but um if I if I can kind of become more consistent, and I like you said, I I'll be 34, uh 34 years old and when LA Olympics happens, which yeah, I mean that's probably a little bit on the older side of uh Olympic triathlete, but you have to remember I didn't start triathlon until I was 25, uh, or maybe 24. 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:22.000 So I started when I was you know, I started at a late like a a later age, so you know, some of those development years, um, you know, I was you know, I was maybe you know, prime age for some people, but I think I think I'm still like you know improving. 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:27.519 Um so I um yeah, I mean there's always a ch there's always a possibility that age catches up to you. 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:31.759 I mean I think I think LA would definitely be my last games regardless. 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:36.480 But uh yeah, if I I think if I can improve my consistency, I'll I'll try to go for it. 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:50.080 But uh if things are if it's just like like you know, kind of like bashing my head against a wall and I'm not really improving or more consistent, like yeah, I could I could totally see myself, you know, maybe maybe stepping away. 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:53.200 Um, you know, maybe get maybe going for an Iron Man. 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:57.840 Um you know, I might even try to go for Iron Man earlier than that. 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:07.600 But uh just I think this year is about exploration, 2025 exploration, and uh really trying to race as many high-level races as I can. 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:13.840 You know, the T100 is the highest level for middle distance, and then the WTS is the highest level for short course. 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:33.360 So yeah, and then um I think yeah, I think the focus will kind of you know narrow as we go to LA and whether that's short course or not, I mean I I hope it is, but uh yeah, like I said, I don't I don't need to spend, I don't need to bash my head against the wall if if I'm not improving, or at least I don't if I don't think I can really perform at the LA Olympics. 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:42.960 A few more questions like to try and get to know you a little bit more and and find out what's happening in your in your sporting life at the moment, and then we're gonna dive deep into the into the training. 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:52.000 But in 2025, you you're gonna have to do six T100 races, and you're gonna try and do some short course racing, some running. 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:55.279 Have you thought about your exact

racing schedule? 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:59.759 And do you know every race that you ideally will do this year? 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:04.000 Yeah, I mean I don't I don't see myself doing many running races this year. 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:08.639 I mean, I just ran Houston half marathon last weekend, so uh, and that was 2025. 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:09.600 So yeah, I did that. 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:19.600 I don't I don't see myself doing a ton of running races, um, unless, you know, the T100 stuff just goes extremely well. 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:31.200 Because I'll do uh and I do have kind of a race schedule set out, but obviously I want to give you know I want to, you know, I don't want to just do the minimum level the minimum number of T100 races. 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.440 Um, but there is a lot of there is a lot of them like in the back half of the season. 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:43.440 I don't know, I don't know if the schedule is public and I'm allowed to say it, but basically um after the grand final mate, don't stress. 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:44.159 Yeah, yeah. 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:47.360 After the grand final WTS, like there's quite a few races. 00:10:47.519 --> 00:11:01.440 So let's say um I go to Singapore and do well and San Francisco and do well, and um the other ones I plan on doing and do well, and I you know, I feel like I don't need to go do three or four more races before the the T100 final. 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:04.879 Maybe I would um squeeze in a a running race. 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:18.320 Um or and one that's on my mind is uh there, you know, there's they're talking about um cross-country, cross-country qualifier for world world cross-country, which which is in the US in 2026. 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:25.200 So if that I don't they haven't announced when that is, but if that was something I could maybe do, um maybe I would do that. 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.559 But yeah, I think it's it's mostly T100 and WTS. 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.840 And like honestly, the schedules they kind of link up. 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.200 You know, I'll have to make a few choices here or there, but that they really aren't. 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.919 Um I don't think it's that crazy. 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:45.039 And um I mean, honestly, like you look at Martin Van Riel, like this guy did both. 00:11:45.200 --> 00:12:02.960 Um, and I know he had to do less T100s, but I mean the guy was the best T100 guy uh, you know, he won the series, so it's like I think actually doing that short course and staying sharp with the shorter stuff is actually I see it helping the T100, and then I think they're gonna complement each other really well. 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:11.440 So I I actually like, and I'm not just saying that uh to kind of like you know defend myself for wanting to do both. 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:12.960 I I actually believe that. 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:18.320 Um, so yeah, I mean I guess we'll see, but uh that's kind of how I feel. 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:29.200 And then with your T100 racing and your short course racing, which guys in 2025 are you most excited to race in in both worlds? 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:31.440 Oh, great question. 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:36.639 Um I think the short course, man, like it's not about anyone. 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:38.559 You know, I just need to it's just about myself. 00:12:38.639 --> 00:13:01.759 I know that's kind of like cliche, but I just I just I've just been so like they're just little things that I that I make a mistake I make in a raid or uh physically stuff that you know um you know it's just like my you know I'll run poorly off the bike for whatever reason and it's not really about like beating any certain person or looking at someone. 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:07.200 I mean I would I would love to, you know, uh, you know, be one of the consistent guys. 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.039 So like who's very consistent? 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:14.559 Uh Vasco, Vasco's super consistent, um, the French guys are really consistent. 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.679 So yeah, if I can kind of be up there with them, most races. 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.960 I mean, obviously Alex and Hayden, but it sounds like they're not doing as much. 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.200 Um that's why I didn't mention them at first. 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:32.080 But um, yeah, so I just want to kind of if I can be consistent with those guys and just you know, I know it's gonna be hard and maybe I'll miss some training uh with travel and racing. 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:44.399 So I'm not putting pressure on myself to, you know, uh win these races like every time out, but I think just being consistent and being up there and being healthy and um I think that is that will lead to you know me being with them. 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.080 And then the T100. 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.399 Oh man, I I it's too hard to say because I've I've only done that one. 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.399 Well, I did you know Daytona in 2020. 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:52.720 I don't know. 00:13:52.879 --> 00:14:03.200 That's that doesn't count for a couple of reasons in my head, but uh, you know, Indian Wells, obviously, obviously not the not the strongest field, but uh yeah, I I I don't know, man. 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:07.200 Like I I really I think it's gonna cut for the T100, it's gonna come down to the bike for me. 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.360 Um and just you know, biking well. 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:15.519 I know I'm not gonna put pressure on myself to like be the fastest biker or you know, drop people or whatever. 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:17.759 I think my swim's actually feeling quite good right now. 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.960 I'm generally a pretty good swimmer for short course, anyways. 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:22.320 Um, most of the races. 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.480 So I think hopefully I'll be up there in the swim and then just yeah, like that bike. 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:33.360 I mean,

I think I I think I have the power and uh I think I can do well, but I also respect these guys a ton. 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.120 And um, I know I'm gonna have to I know it's gonna be a shock to the system. 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.759 The first, you know, that's what it sounds like from talking to a few people. 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:44.639 Like the first, you know, the the beginning of every race is kind of a shock to the system, but I guess that's kind of like a WTS. 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.799 So like I said, maybe they compliment each other well. 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:54.559 Yeah, and I think there's probably, if anything, a touch less bulk strength in the T100 in 2025 compared to 2024. 00:14:55.200 --> 00:15:03.679 I was thinking that too, because Magnus and uh Laylo, right, aren't doing it, and then I'm sure there's someone else I'm forgetting, but I was actually thinking about that in the last couple of days. 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.440 Um because I've I watched more of the T 100 stuff. 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:20.559 You know, I've I've watched them a little when they do them, but I've been you know, obviously it's snowing here in Colorado, so I'm on the trainer a little bit more and uh re-watching all those races actually not in the series, so it's a great point. 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.080 Everyone who runs needs a nerd belt, period. 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:31.120 They're just so practical and comfortable, they don't bounce around at all like traditional running belts. 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:42.559 And if you're getting out there training and taking things seriously, then the hydration and fueling storage on them makes them such a game changer for long runs, sessions, any run you do in the heat, and particularly on race day. 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:48.000 You can carry the basics on your training runs in them, like your phone, keys, bank card, dog poo bags, etc. 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:48.480 etc. 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:52.480 But you can also carry all of your fluid and gels that you'll ever need. 00:15:52.639 --> 00:16:02.320 And on race day particularly, this means you don't have to be a professional triathlet anymore to get personal hydration and fueling benefits that make such a massive difference to your performance. 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:08.240 I just think relying on aid stations is something that should be left in like 2023 now that Nerd Belts are around. 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:16.320 So if you want to get one for yourself, go to Nerdbelt's website and make sure you use the discount code TTH20 for 20% off anything you buy on their website. 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:18.960 The details for all that are in the episode description as well. 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:27.840 And then with your training, which I want to get right like stuck into in detail now for 2025. 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:30.480 Is is it you who set your training? 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:31.440 Is it a coach? 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:37.279 If it if it is a coach, who

is your coach and and are they setting everything or is it collaborative? 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.320 Yeah, so my coach is Ryan, Ryan Bolton. 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:45.200 Um he used to coach Sam Long before Sam Long decided to coach himself. 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:46.879 Uh so that's what he's trying. 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:48.559 Yeah, yeah, Ben Hoffman. 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:50.399 He's I don't he still kind of coaches Ben Hoffman. 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:54.000 I mean, Ben Hoffman's slightly retired, but he'll never fully retire though, the Hoff will. 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:55.279 Yeah, exactly. 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:56.480 He's one of those guys. 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:04.160 So yeah, like he he he writes my main schedule, and you know, we talk most days, uh, you know, either on the phone or message. 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.039 Um I'm I swim with some groups. 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:17.759 Um so that's kind of that's really nice for me to have a group to swim with, because uh, as you know, that can be a bit, you know, tedious if you have to do it by yourself every day. 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:20.880 And then uh yeah, I mean he's we're a bit collaborative. 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:32.240 Um for example, leading into the Houston half, I was training a bit with the the on athletics club uh because uh my friend Joe Clecker there and and Morgan McDonald were both doing the Houston half as well. 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:39.119 So, you know, I would I I was uh welcome to come there and you know I'd obviously talk to my coach about what the workout was specifically and stuff. 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:41.440 Uh so I do one workout a week with them. 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:51.200 And yeah, so it's a little bit of you know, he writes the program, but it's not like um he he kind of lets me, you know, go train with other people. 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:56.640 Um, you know, he I don't uh he doesn't live, he's a you know, for the most a lot of the year he's a remote coach. 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.680 I'll I'll do training camps with him and then I'll come to races. 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:16.400 He works for USA Triathon, so um it's not that I never see him, but when I'm at home, uh he's remote, so I think he knows okay, like I don't every little thing doesn't need he doesn't need to do every little swim that I'm doing with my my in-person training group. 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:22.960 He can go swim with this this team and um you know it's helping me for a couple of reasons, obviously. 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:34.079 In 20, I think it was 2015, it might have been it was 2015 or 2016, I was supposed to come out to America to do a training camp with Ryan Bolton in Tucson. 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:46.160 And at the time, talking to everyone who was being coached by him or who was going to be at the camp, all they would talk about was how hard he makes you train, how much volume you do. 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:52.480 And now, like so almost a decade later, I know a few

more people who have been coached by him, like Sam Long. 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:56.559 I've got a pretty good friendship now, and we've talked about it, and it's still just the same thing. 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.160 Everyone talks about how much you do and how hard it is. 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.880 So is that your experience with Ryan as well? 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:09.920 Um, no, you know, there you know, I don't want to uh say no. 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.519 There is times where I am a bit it is hard. 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:21.680 And I like the times that it's hard for me, honestly, is around travel um and coming off a race. 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:27.279 Sometimes it's like even I'll be honest, coming off the half marathon, like he assigned a four-hour ride. 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:31.279 So the race was Sunday, and he assigned a four-hour ride on Tuesday. 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:37.359 But uh, I mean, like you said, I'm 31 and um I'm the one that has to get on the start line. 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:45.119 So uh I'm not gonna like if I think something's not the smart thing for me to do long term or even short term, like I'm I'll I'll let him know. 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:46.799 And I mean in a nice way, of course. 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:54.240 I'm not I think he's just trying to make me a better athlete, but I you know I called him, I was like, hey, like I'm I'm smashed still, like I I can't do this. 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:56.319 Like this is this is this is not gonna help me. 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.000 So um, but other than that, it's really not that bad. 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:01.359 Like, I really don't think it's that bad. 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:08.880 I mean, at first, when it when I we first started working together, it certainly was a step up um from my old coach. 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:16.640 Um, you know, some of the workouts were just like you know, it's just a bit long more volume of intensity, if that makes sense. 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:21.759 Um just the amount of quality within each workout was was more than I was used to. 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:23.039 But I honestly loved it. 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:39.039 Like it was a challenge, and you know, I I I I feel like I had so many coaches over the years that were just almost exclusively trying to hold me back, and like you know, you need that as an athlete, you totally do, but I also think it's nice to be pushed too. 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:47.119 Yeah, I think you need both, and uh, you know, the coach needs to strike a balance with that, and um I think Ryan does that with me, so I don't think it's too hard. 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:48.720 Let's let's get into it then. 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:55.519 So, with like your say typical week of training, how much volume are you doing? 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:01.839 Like, give me some examples of of some sessions that you do, like take take me into it in a bit more depth. 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:16.079 Yeah, I should also like we should I

should also mention that Ryan has coached me as a short course athlete, and I've heard some of the long course guys training, and that that does sound hard, that does sound longer and um more volume. 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:19.039 So I mean I think that should be something that I mentioned. 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:25.519 You know, he's he's not it's not, you know, the the the training that he's giving to Ben Hoffman is not what he's giving to me, you know. 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:31.440 Yeah, I heard some weeks that Ben did back in the day that I still like sometimes have nightmares about. 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:32.960 Yeah, yeah. 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:37.119 But uh just yeah, like to get into some you know, some of the harder workouts. 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:47.759 I mean, uh so before like before Houston, I did I had this, he assigned this workout, and I thought it was really hard, so I I'll mention it. 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:52.000 Um I just I was like, wow, that's you know, I saw it on training peaks. 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:54.240 I was like, oh, this might be kind of tough. 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:58.160 But it was uh it was kind of a longer, you know, it was a long, more mileage. 00:21:58.240 --> 00:21:59.759 I don't know if it was a long or just a workout. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:04.160 That was a longer volume, but it was like a three mile warm-up. 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:29.920 Um, and then a mile, so it was a set a mile hard, so he said 430 mile or faster, straight into two miles at five flat pace, and then a mile straight into a mile at 430 or faster, and then three miles steady, that that one mile hard, 430 or faster, two miles float, five flat, one mile hard. 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:33.839 Yeah, that's just like jog at the end. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:39.119 So like I thought that was pretty I thought that was pretty no, I saw that I was like, okay, that's gonna be pretty hard. 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:45.519 Um, so yeah, I mean I don't I don't know many coaches that would assign that, but uh yeah, I mean I don't know. 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.039 I I had big goals and for that race, so yeah. 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:58.799 Yeah, I wonder how I don't think there would be a lot of triathletes doing run sessions quite that hard, or with that kind of that hard and that much volume. 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:00.319 It's it's kind of a mix of both. 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:09.359 Yeah, you know, like there's definitely athletes who are running that fast, and definitely athletes who are running that that far, but the mixture is the is the big thing there. 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:16.880 Yeah, so like those long-run workouts, you know, he it's not every week I do those, but like those were those are something new for me. 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:28.720 I mean, I remember one time it was like, you know, he gave me like four by two mile and then a mile hard, like four by two mile, and then like one mile harder at the end, and I'm like, wow, that's like nine miles of hard running. 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:33.440 Uh or you know, and uh like and obviously, you know, I'd run in between and then both warm up and cool down. 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.160 So it ended up being like 18 miles of running. 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:43.119 So it's just yeah, like those long-run workouts, I think that's what kind of comes to mind when people are like, oh, his training's so hard. 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:43.680 Yeah. 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:45.440 How long is 18 miles? 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.160 It's like um 30k. 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:48.319 Yeah. 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:49.759 30k about. 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:50.799 Yeah. 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:55.039 Well, I guess he's also coached some elite marathon runners and stuff, isn't he? 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:58.400 So he's like he's from that world of Yeah. 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:10.079 Yeah, he coached uh Caroline Rotich, who was like won Boston like I don't know, like a decade ago, but then she she just got uh a US citizenship and got like fifth or sixth of the trials for the marathon this past year. 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:15.039 So yeah, he knows he know I mean he knows he's knows what he's doing for that that training. 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:18.319 And I mean Ben Hoffman, like like I had some pretty good performance. 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:21.200 I don't I mean I think he'd be like the first one to demand. 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:27.680 He what he got on the podium of Kona a couple times and like constantly winning Ironmans and that sort of thing. 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.319 So yeah, I mean Sam Long too. 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:35.279 Like I know, I don't know, he left and whatever, but he still had some great results. 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:48.400 Yeah, and there's been a bit of a theme for the start of this year's podcasts where athletes who have coaches like Ryan, they they it sort of sets a foundation for success. 00:24:48.480 --> 00:25:03.759 Like they do a lot of volume, they do a lot of hard training, and even if it doesn't pay off in the first year or two years working with that coach, or even sometimes the first five years, eventually just that volume of hard work ends up leading to success. 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:13.440 And Sam Long, I like I think Sam Long's mentality and desire to train hard means that he would always have found success. 00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:25.920 But I think from the outside looking in, it seems like it was cultivated by Ryan to a degree, and now Sam just has such a such an appetite to train really hard, and we're seeing what he's doing in races. 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:38.160 Like I don't know if anyone has a harder time winning big races than Sam Long just by virtue of his swim, but the way he rides and runs, it's just it's just crazy how good it can be at times. 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.000 And yeah, I think it's it's just a product of that that sort of years of hard work. 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.200 We're seeing it with Martin Van

Riel Yallagins now as well. 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.279 And it's kind of similar to what you're going through. 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:50.480 Well, I mean, uh I do you pay attention much to running? 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:51.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:52.160 I'm I'm a big fan of that. 00:25:52.319 --> 00:26:03.279 Yeah, so like the guy Connor Mance, he just ran the American record, and um I mean he smoked us all, but uh I was just you know, I was I was thinking about it and I was kind of like what you're saying. 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:19.839 I was like, because he he posts a lot on Strava and he's been doing some crazy workouts for a couple years now, and stuff that you know, stuff that maybe I could do, you know, I you know, I'll look at runner strabas or you know, traffic strabas, and I'll just you know, you kind of put yourself in the in their shoes and like could I do that workout? 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:28.319 And you know, most I mean I mean I don't know what their mileage is and you know fatigue and whatever, but like most of the time I'm like, okay, like I could probably do that workout, it doesn't seem that bad. 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:33.119 But then like a lot most of the time his workouts, I'm like, yeah, that's that's pretty impressive. 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:34.799 That's that's pretty serious. 00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.119 And it's been like that for a while. 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:45.119 Um and and he was always running like 60, 61 in the in the half, like maybe up maybe dip under. 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:47.920 And then he just like popped off this weekend. 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.640 Um and I it's just like it just shows like what you're saying. 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:57.119 Like it's something it's not you can be get improving as an athlete, improving, improving, but it doesn't show in the race results. 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:10.559 And then sometimes you just like have that day or that year or you know that season that it kind of just you just kind of it comes together, you know, and I it's just it's hard to like really put a finger on like what that is and the timing of it all. 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:14.079 And um yeah, but I I totally agree. 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:22.480 Yeah, well, we're we're seeing the best example of it that potentially we've ever seen in triathlon at the moment with Yaligans, I think. 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:39.839 Like he he came on and talked about how he had a coach for nearly a decade who he worked really hard with, did a lot of training, like every week, week in, week out, relentlessly hard training, stepped away from that coach kind of for for only a couple of months, and then out of nowhere had these crazy results. 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:56.400 Like his his win at Lake Las Vegas followed by his win at the Iron Man 70.3 World Championships, where I would say even at the start of this year, when he came fourth at Oceanside or third at third at Talon, you know, they weren't results

that people were like pumping up his potential to achieve. 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.119 They were kind of like, oh, yellow's yellow's having these disappointing results. 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:06.160 It's hard for me to agree with that a little because I actually think Yellow Gaines was almost underperforming in those those those other races. 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:06.799 For sure. 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:07.839 For sure he was. 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:08.559 For sure he was. 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.279 Like I I thought he was gonna win Oceanside. 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:18.319 Um and then he got fourth, and I uh, you know, I was just like, okay, like I don't I don't even remember what happened. 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:25.119 He got dropped in the bike on the downhill or something, and I'm just like, that's that's like a weird like I think he'll still do really well. 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:55.839 So I mean I I agree what you're saying about the training and just that you know that that base and like being extremely fit and just you know, then he resting up and whatever, but I just I think I think Yellow Genes, I think it's I think especially like from the short from people who raced him in short course, like he was always someone that was taking long poles on the bike and had to chase, but you know, he's a he was a good enough swimmer to be in some races and probably good enough for most long course races, but um yeah, I just I don't I wouldn't say I was super surprised by his results, but I mean I get what you're saying. 00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:10.400 Yeah, like I wasn't surprised either, but I think the thing was is that people have been expecting it for like four years now because yeah, his short course result results were amazing, and he had races where it's like, oh, is Yeller the best in the world here, like 2016, 2017? 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:19.200 He was so good for periods there, and so because of that, everyone who's trained with him, everyone who knows him was like, trust me, when Yeller comes into long course, he's gonna be really good. 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.559 And then, like, take Oceanside, for example, came fourth. 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.240 Okay, he underperformed, but he only had the fourth fastest run that day. 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.119 You know, like Lionel ran faster than him, for example. 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:39.039 And then you look at what he did at 70.3 World Championships and you go, oh well, he outran Hayden, like uh Hayden while he outran everyone in the world that day. 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:39.920 Kyle Smith. 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:53.440 I think it's um I think a lot of short course athletes, um, and not I don't I wouldn't include myself in this, but I actually think they um they almost disrespect long course athletes. 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:54.880 You know what I'm saying? 00:29:55.039 --> 00:30:00.000 Like I think they think, oh, it's gonna be so easy to step up, it's gonna be so easy, and I just think

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it. 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:03.839 The link for that is in the episode description. 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:14.880 Or if you did want a bigger discount, um, then over on the Trithon, our Patreon, there's a discount code there which gets you 20% off at Precision Fuel and Hydration's website every single time you shop there. 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:18.400 So that's just to say thank you for everyone who supports the show on Patreon. 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.759 And uh the Patreon link uh is in the episode description as well. 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:39.920 Yeah, I think forever it it has been the case, but now it's changing because if you go back to pre-COVID when when Olav Alexander Boo said that going to long course and winning races for Gustav and Christian will be like taking candy from a baby, that turned out to be a hundred percent true. 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:48.079 They were dominating 70.3 world championships for from 2019, that you know, Kona in 2022 when Gustav won and Christian came third. 00:32:48.319 --> 00:33:10.240 However, I feel it's changed now where it's it's not as automatic that short course guys are gonna step up and be the best full distance guys, but I still think they're gonna step up and be the best middle distance guys, you know, like the step to full distance with Patrick Lang and Sam Lato and Magnus Ditliff and Leon Chevalier, and it's just gotten a bit harder. 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:20.720 But obviously, short course guys are still the best middle distance athletes, Hayden Wilde, Yala Geans, Martin Van Riel, you know, they're still clearly the best in the world at at middle distance. 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:21.680 Right. 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:22.319 Right. 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:22.960 Yeah. 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:35.119 I I guess it just speaks to that, you know, as the sport gets better and better and things become more specific, we're finding out that the physiological demands of middle distance and short course are actually very similar. 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:35.440 Yeah. 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:43.440 However, yeah, I actually I this is not really what you're asking about, but I was kind of thinking about we were talking we were talking about Sam Long, you know? 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:51.920 And uh because I've been watching a few of these T100 races, and obviously Sam gets out, you know, three, four minutes behind back. 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:53.359 Sometimes six minutes. 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.640 Yeah, and he generally would run really well. 00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:58.079 You know what I'm saying? 00:33:58.319 --> 00:33:58.720 Yep. 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:26.480 And do you think do you think any of that has to do with the fact that he just gets on his bike and rides a steady tempo that he knows he can hold versus the front of the race just looks like insane, and part of that is because of you know people not wanting to get penalties and you have to like sprint around five guys to not get a penalty, and you know,

guys are trying to it's it's a bit like a short course race, but almost looks even more intense in terms of like the power and all of that. 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.400 Do you think do you think there's anything to that? 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:40.400 Like Sam just gets on his bike, rides his pace, by the time he catches up, the groups are spread out and people are either shelled or they're in smaller packs, and then he can actually run better. 00:34:40.719 --> 00:35:01.920 Yeah, well, I think there's proof that there is truth to that because if you remember San Francisco, I don't know, I don't know if you watched at the time or whether you've watched it now since you've been doing some stuff indoors and re-watching the races, but he came eighth that day after having come second at Miami and second at Singapore, and he came out with the league group in the swim. 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.480 So he was straight away in the mix on the bike. 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:21.840 Um he kind of caught up into T1 and he was he was more with people and he had the fastest ride that day still, but he then went on and ran like I think about like the 15th fastest runtime or something, something like that, with it with a with the penalty as well, and and finished in eighth. 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.599 So yeah, I think there has to be something to that, doesn't there? 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:48.639 Yeah, I'm just yeah, it's just something I'm thinking about, and like approaching these T100 T100 races and just you know, it's just uh and also it goes back to what I was saying about how staying keeping uh a foot into the short course might actually help the T100 because you know obviously those races are so you know, it's all about you know getting on the bike and positioning and this and that. 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:53.760 So I don't know, it was just a thought I had from watching these races, and you seem someone very educated, and I wanted to ask. 00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:58.480 Yeah, I don't know if I said five-minute penalty there or one minute, but it was a one-minute penalty he he had. 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:08.239 But yeah, I think I think there is something to it, but but but I still think that to win these races, you have to be at the front of them. 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.360 Uh, because Sam didn't win any of them. 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:16.960 Sure, he had that second to Magnus and the second to Yuri, and they're phenomenal results, but he didn't win them. 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:24.800 And every single person who won a T100 race last year in the in the men's side of things won it from the front, you know. 00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:36.000 Well, yeah, but like even like when Magnus won in my I forgive me because I don't I don't I re I rewatched parts of Singapore and Yuri he was like kind of off solo, right? 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:37.599 So kind of riding his own pace. 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:39.119 Yes, he was, yep. 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:41.840 And then Magnus

was kind of the same, right? 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.039 But yes, but I guess Yuri rode off the front of the race. 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:50.480 Like he didn't he didn't ride through the field, he was kind of there at the swim, and then he was rid that lead. 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:55.679 There was a big group in Singapore, big front group, like 10, 12 people, and he just broke away from that. 00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:01.199 And then Magnus Magnus rode his kind of uh not immediately, but pr early enough. 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:02.719 Pretty pretty early, yeah. 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.480 Yeah, crazy, actually, on Reflection How like that's insane. 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.320 Um, but and then Magnus Magnus always just rides the same, doesn't he? 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:21.199 Whether he's with the front group or whether he's coming back, and and Miami, he was you know a little a little way off, but he wasn't that far off the off the front at any point and just rode a time trial like he always does. 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.559 That's why he runs so consistent. 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.400 He's almost just like so fast, he can kind of just go through people, it seems like. 00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:33.360 Yeah, he I think Magnus is one of the few guys who can just like completely race their own race, you know. 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:49.440 Like, I don't again, this is not I don't want to offend him in any way, because obviously he's a he's one of the best guys on the planet, but like he doesn't strike me as like a like he's not super fast runner, but he just runs well off the bike almost. 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:53.119 Yeah, I mean he's he's deceptively fast. 00:37:53.280 --> 00:38:04.800 He never looks fast because he's like six foot nine and you know he's just gigantic, so he has such like a low, a low cadence that it doesn't look fast, but then he's deceptively fast, you know. 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:10.960 Like he okay, he's had some like he ran 234 at Roth, which that's that's moving off the bike. 00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:12.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:20.639 Yeah, and even like if you go to say Miami, which he won, you know, he he that day he um he ran an hour. 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:26.880 Well, I was I was in Miami, it was super hot because I'd raced the short course race the day before, I think. 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.280 Yeah, it was it was super hot. 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.800 Yeah, Key Zafiro's like ruined her season right from that race. 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:33.840 Yeah, it's brilliant. 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:35.679 I shouldn't be laughing. 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.920 And that day he had like the fifth fastest run. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.159 Uh like Jason West and Sam Long ran fast. 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.519 I think Yuri Kulin, I don't remember who else ran fast, only off the top of my head, but I think someone else did. 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:52.320 So I mean, yeah, I mean, he's not the fastest runner in

the world, but he certainly is the best or the second best cyclist. 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.199 He's yeah, and he still runs pretty well off it. 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:01.119 And and like I said, 234 at Roth, which obviously is a fast run course, but you still got to go out there and run 234. 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.159 I I think, yeah, I think Magnus's running's kind of underrated. 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:16.000 Um, but you could be right, like, because he is the guy kind of guy who doesn't really overextend himself on the bike too much because he's so good that he can ride within himself a bit, yeah, that it does mean he runs consistent off it. 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.960 He likes surges sometimes though to like try to drop people. 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:20.719 Yeah, he does. 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.800 He puts in those like five-minute surges. 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:28.719 Yeah, yeah, and he did that in my just been thinking about these things going into the races, you know. 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:34.960 Well, I do think that there is more tactics in middle distance racing now than there has ever been, you know? 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:48.800 And it is something that you're gonna have to deal with and think about a lot because especially you who's gonna be at the front of races, you know, like you've got I don't know, I don't know if you'd be scared of anyone off the bike over the 18k distance. 00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:56.320 Like, I don't think if you got off the bike with Yeller and Martin Van Riel and Hayden Wilde, I don't think you're scared of any of them, right? 00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:58.719 Uh we'll see. 00:39:58.880 --> 00:39:59.920 Um, we'll see. 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.800 I've been trying to I've been doing some stuff in the gym to hopefully improve my run off the bike. 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:18.159 I mean, uh I think my run when I'm fresh is I I would probably pick myself over over pretty much anyone, but uh yeah, obviously off the bike I've been a bit inconsistent, so I'm hoping this year I can kind of close that gap. 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:22.159 Um, and I think it's some some of the stuff in the gym that's really gonna help me. 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.599 Um so yeah, if that if that if that turns out to help, I think you're right. 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:32.159 If in a T100, if I can be kind of near the front, I think um Yeah, I mean I'm always gonna you know respect Hayden Wilde. 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.519 I think uh this guy's got you know two Olympic medals, and you know, he's a he's a phenomenal runner. 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:44.400 So I'm not gonna, you know, but but uh yeah, I still think I could beat him, you know, but I'm I'm not gonna say it's a sure thing. 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:56.559 Yeah, and I'm not even saying that you would beat those those guys I listed, but I just I was just trying to put myself in your shoes and I couldn't see your mentality as being defeated when just because you're there with them.

00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:03.760 Like I think a lot of people would get off the bike with Yala and Hayden and Martin and think that they can't win, whereas I don't think you're one of those guys. 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:17.119 No, I mean I've raised those guys short course a lot, and yeah, I mean I can outrun Martin most days, so I don't know why that'd be a different over 18k. 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:21.360 No, if anything, I think the longer it gets, the better you get, probably on the run. 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.400 The big thing for you is obviously gonna be can you be there? 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:26.719 Like your bike is the big thing. 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:27.599 So what are you doing? 00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:36.480 What are you and Ryan doing in preparation for the season to make sure that that you can be there at the front of the race or off the bike? 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:46.159 Yeah, well, I mean, honestly, so I did like Indian Wells and my I mean obviously I need a train and all that, but so my like my power was actually pretty good there. 00:41:46.320 --> 00:42:02.719 I mean I don't maybe for me I thought it was I kind of went into that race a bit under trained um for the for the distance and I mean I only got my time trial bike uh you know a month before the race. 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.840 I think I got it like November 4th, and then the the race was uh December 8th. 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:13.920 So it was it was a pretty like intense adjustment period, I'd say. 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:23.039 Like I didn't feel really smooth or good on the bike at all for honestly until like the week of the race when I did my like pre-race workout. 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:26.480 I remember going out and I was like, okay, like I actually feel pretty good. 00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:31.760 I feel smooth, I can put power down and be relaxed and um and just like go through the gears a little. 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:43.840 It's not just I don't feel um you know, I don't know how you it's kind of hard to describe, but you anyone who's ridden a bike and you get a new bike and you kind of you know, there it takes you a little bit to adjust to it, especially a completely different fit. 00:42:44.239 --> 00:43:02.559 So uh yeah, the training, like we talked a lot about Ryan's training, and um it's almost I almost always looked at it as more like the middle distance style training and just building that strength, getting ready for the short course races, and and how like having that strength helped me do well in races. 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:10.079 So I think his training, I mean I'm sure it'll change, and uh we're gonna be doing some longer rides and probably more frequently longer rides. 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:15.920 I mean, I've been doing some you know, in the past couple months doing five-hour rides has been just become more common. 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.440 I think I did a few before that, but it's just become more common. 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.400 Um, some five and a half hour rides too. 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:34.000 Um and then yeah, I mean, honestly, like I know getting super dialed uh aerodynamically is like it's honestly the easiest, you know, you know, easiest. 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.239 It's it's probably the biggest thing I can do between now and Singapore. 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:50.719 Um because like in uh Indian Wells, I mean I j I just was my position, you know, it wasn't bad and I got it fit and whatever, but it was just uh I knew as I was going in not fully optimized. 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:58.960 I didn't want to be fully optimized because uh I just didn't want to spend the money and then not even like enjoy the distance, not even be good at it. 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:05.360 Um And just be like, wow, I just spent thousands of dollars and I just like I don't really have an interest in doing that again. 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:09.599 And it's just like I wanted to see how I did like super raw, if that makes sense. 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:14.960 Like you just I wanted to see how like my kind of almost like where my talent was in the in the distance. 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:29.119 And um yeah, so now I'm definitely investing a little bit more uh into the into the uh the fit being more aerodynamic, the the gear being more aerodynamic, the race suit, the helmet, um, and all that stuff. 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:37.519 Um and then yeah, I mean I think honestly Singapore is I'm not I have really low expectations for that race. 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:44.559 Um it's gonna be because there's there's you know there's ten of them and I have to do however many and however many count for the series. 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:50.239 But Singapore for me is just gonna be uh I'm just it's it's gonna be like an exploration race. 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:57.119 Uh I know it's gonna be hard, and I'll probably get it'll feel like I get punched in the face a few times, but that's honestly like I need to go and do that. 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:05.599 I think most you know other I don't think Hayden or Leo's done a T100, but obviously uh did Vince do one? 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:06.480 I guess he hasn't. 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:10.000 Not a T100 race, but they've done the di they've done the distance, you know. 00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:43.920 Yeah, so like I think it'll be for all us, you know, short course guys moving up, like it'll I think it's I think it's important to realize that it's not gonna be like you know, chances are it's not gonna click perfectly that first race, but there's a whole year and season of them, so um, yeah, obviously the training's gonna be you know intense and whatever, but I've I train hard and um I think hopefully I can do I don't know, hopefully I can do well and like and realize however Singapore goes, like I'm only gonna get better and learn from it. 00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:48.960 Um and I think I think that's the the right mindset, if that makes sense. 00:45:50.880 --> 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00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:16.239 It's like kind of joking. 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:20.639 And I was just like, so then we start commenting on each other, who cares? 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.920 And then one day I saw Christian made some post. 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.599 He's just like I just for some reason decided to comment, who cares? 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.679 Um Christian Blumenfeld. 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:37.440 Um, I think he was like drilling in font remote, like it's going well, and I was just like, Who cares? 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:39.679 It's so stupid. 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:51.280 And most people, I mean, Christian and we're not even like that good, like I barely know the guy, but um I also think he knows like I'm joking, um, but a lot of other people didn't. 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:59.119 And uh yeah, people comment that on my stuff now, and um Talbot Cox loves it, like that's like his favorite joke. 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:07.440 Um like I yeah, so he he'll comment that on all my stuff, and then yeah, it's it's it's pretty funny. 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:09.679 I mean, I I hope people know it's a joke. 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.079 Um hopefully by now they do. 00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:23.039 I mean the fact that you knew it's a joke, we never talked about it, um, I think is a is a good thing because uh there's been a few people that don't realize it's a joke, and it's just like dude, relax. 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:24.960 That's why I love it so much. 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:31.119 I'll like I just remember the Christian one, and a lot of people didn't think it was a joke, and that's what made it so funny. 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:32.000 Yeah. 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:34.000 Yeah, especially if you know Christian. 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:36.480 Christian wouldn't care at all. 00:50:36.559 -->

00:50:37.760 He'd just think it's so funny. 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:39.280 Like he's just a silly goose. 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:46.559 No, the Norwegian guys have a great sense of humor, um, which I I think people know, some people don't. 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:49.920 So I wouldn't I probably wouldn't like comment that on like Vince. 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:54.800 Like I don't Vince doesn't strike me as someone who's like super like would think that's funny. 00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:04.960 So I probably wouldn't do that on his, but I knew Christian might yeah, like on the on the post Vince did when he didn't get picked for Paris, you're probably not commenting who cares on the yeah, no, definitely not. 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.920 Who are this is a good this is actually a fun game. 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:17.199 This might be putting you on the spot here because, like you said, Christian and Gustav, two of the best senses of humour in the sport of tritons, just funny guys who don't take anything too seriously. 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:18.239 I love it about them. 00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:22.239 Who are the people that you wouldn't post who cares on? 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:29.039 You know, you you mentioned Vince, is but is there some other people who you reckon maybe wouldn't take to that so so kindly? 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:56.000 Uh well the one person I this is this is probably digging up some uh some some skeletons in my in my in my closet, but uh so like in in uh 2020 uh Sam Long was like that was kind of you know I don't think he would mind me saying like that was kind of the height of his like shit talking online, you know? 00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:18.079 He was like and like I think I think he was you know it you know he was making a name for himself and uh he was he was doing really well as an athlete and doing really well on social media and you know whatever I don't wanna you know but uh going into that Daytona race, uh Daytona I forget the name Clash Daytona 100 or something, yeah. 00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:21.599 The one where basically everyone did it and it was like the only race during COVID. 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:33.840 Um he like he basically like made some some big Facebook um I don't even could have been on Facebook, could have been on Instagram or some other social media. 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:46.880 Kind of like calling out um myself and and Matt McElroy, like the other US short course triathlete that was doing that race, being like kind of like creating this like false, you know, rivalry. 00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:52.559 I at least I felt um like it was just like I was like I don't really know you. 00:52:52.719 --> 00:53:02.960 Like I kind of I I we were you know he lived in Boulder for half the year or something, and like I I knew him, but we I was like it just seemed like kind of out of left field that he was like the rivalry of us, and I'm like, what? 00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:04.320 Like what are you talking about, man? 00:53:04.480 -->

00:53:24.239 Like I'm I'm totally like I I just I was totally out of left field, and then um I went on sh I just I went I you know I get kind of like worked up sometimes and I went for a run and uh I I I it went on Strava because in the post he was like, Oh like I can run with them. 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:28.159 Like and Matt's a good Matt's a pretty good runner, and I'm like, he's like I can run with them and this and that. 00:53:28.239 --> 00:54:08.159 And I'm like, so I went for a run and uh I think I like did some uh I made the post on Strava and like at that time I mean I still don't really have many people following me on Strava, but like I really was I had like maybe like a hundred people following me, like some friends and maybe some random people, but no, I like I just assumed not many people would see it, and I think I had all the run like the disrespect of this man, um, and like was like I don't think this guy's gonna run once, like he can't hold my like uh I forget what I said, and honestly, I left it up for like legitimately like under an hour, like 30 minutes, and I was like, ah, this is the this is a bad look, and I deleted it. 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.199 I deleted the post or like put it on private or something. 00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.559 So I guess in that time he screenshotted it. 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.760 He screenshot, like I deleted it like within an hour, and he screenshotted the thing. 00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:24.320 And then obviously in Daytona, he I mean, I think he was like fifth or something, and I didn't even finish. 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:25.039 I was walking. 00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:26.719 I was I didn't even finish the bike. 00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.280 I was injured for I reckon he came nine. 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.360 He came ninth that day, challenge day to run. 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:31.760 Yeah, yeah. 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:34.800 You're talking about the one that Gustav won in 2020. 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:36.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:38.719 So I was like, he just destroyed me. 00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:43.280 I mean, he did really well, and I did not, and I was like, uh, I mean, but whatever. 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:57.039 And then he went on his like YouTube channel, I think, and and took this screenshot from that run that one day that was up for like an hour, and was like, like, this like these guys disrespected me and think I'm good. 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:05.840 And I just I and then people started like sending me like like kind of like gnarly messages, like, oh you're dick, like this and that. 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:27.360 And I'm just like, whoa, like I I first off, like he kind of like pulled the trigger first, and uh, okay, maybe I went a little bit overboard on my Strava, and I but then I like deleted it when I realized it was it was too far, like within an hour, and then he goes on his YouTube, which obviously gets a ton, like a ton more people are looking at his YouTube than my Strava back then. 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:34.320 And uh this is a long way of saying I would I probably wouldn't put it on Sam Long's cares. 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:36.880 Sam Long would not care at all anymore. 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:38.480 He's such a good bloke now. 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:39.920 I no, I know he's a good guy. 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.280 I just wanted to tell that story more than anything. 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.639 It is a funny story, that is a classic story. 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:48.639 I think maybe Yellow Gaines. 00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:49.920 I don't think he would like that. 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:56.400 Um Yellow's an Australian now, so he's he's um he's a his sense of humor has improved since he moved to Australia. 00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:01.760 When he was a Belgium, yeah, probably that version of Yellow Gaines, I wouldn't have sent it to, he would have taken a bit serious. 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:06.079 But Australian Yellow Geans, he's actually he's a bit of a piss taker these days. 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.159 That's it, that's surprising you say that. 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.039 Um, because I thought uh Martin Van Riel has a good sense of humor, and he's obviously from Belgium. 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.159 Great sense of humor, but he's also a Spanish guy now. 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:22.079 Yeah, yeah, they've both they've both deserted Belgium a little bit, so yep, Spanish and Australian. 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:28.800 Um, but you this see this is the great thing about you being on the tour this year, because you and Sam Long will genuinely be friends. 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:31.280 Like Sam Long is such a fun guy. 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:34.719 Like he's No, I mean I I know I've gotten to know him since then. 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:40.159 Like, um, I mean, because he'll because his I think his parents live in Boulder. 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:46.320 Like, I I don't I don't live in Boulder, I live outside Boulder, but um I think his parents live here, so he comes. 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:47.840 I've seen him over the summer sometimes. 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:48.800 Yeah, yeah. 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:54.000 Um yeah, I mean he like he'll like ask me to train and I'm like, yeah, let's do it. 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.159 And then he just like tries to invite me to a swim. 00:56:56.320 --> 00:57:00.079 I'm like, uh, can we do like a bike ride together or even run? 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.079 Like, I don't want to swim that much. 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.679 Uh I know he's gonna listen to this and be pissed. 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:06.559 No, he'll love it. 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:12.320 That's the thing, that's what I mean about like this Sam Long of today is like he's just such a good bloke. 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:18.480 Like, he doesn't take he takes the sport very seriously and he takes his performance like very, very seriously. 00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:19.920 He's the ultimate professional.

00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:22.239 But as a guy, he's so chill. 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:23.519 I I like Sam. 00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:25.519 And I think we actually have some things in common. 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:27.280 So a lot in common, I reckon. 00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:29.280 Yeah, I can relate to him. 00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.079 Uh but yeah, I just thought that story was funny. 00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:34.800 I mean, I'm more like I probably shouldn't have said what I said on Strava. 00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.239 Um it sounds like it sounds like a storm in the teacup to me. 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.599 Doesn't sound like that big a deal. 00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:46.000 And I like it just goes, you're just two young, well, young-ish guys in the sport, just like, yeah, that that's that's that stuff's good. 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:52.000 And you're both like you're both now like at a completely different point where if that happened, you wouldn't even take it seriously at all. 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:53.599 You'd both just have a laugh about it. 00:57:53.920 --> 00:58:04.400 You know, I he actually made a comment today, or maybe yesterday, on social media, now that we're talking about him, because uh Arn Van Riel made this was like a few weeks ago. 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.679 He's like, Oh, who should it who should I invite, or who should do the T100 tour? 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:09.519 Like, who's gonna try to take me down? 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:17.760 And I think I said uh I think I said this I I commented, I was like, I think I said Lionel Sanders, because like who doesn't who doesn't think that guy's hilarious? 00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:23.199 And uh this I don't know when this was before the hot shots were announced. 00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:26.079 So it was obviously like a month ago, maybe more now. 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:32.320 And then uh just today, Sam Long was like, you wouldn't want two guys working together to catch you on the bike. 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:34.639 Me and Sam Long, uh me and Lionel. 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.039 So he's still kind of stirring the pot a little, huh? 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:55.280 Yeah, oh yeah, he's still definitely looking he's um he's he's realised now, like I would say the Collins Cup Sam Long, who was ready to like smash a door and stuff and taking it seriously, uh that's different to today's Sam Long, where he does it more, it's kind of a he's just smart now. 00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:05.760 Like he he understands that a little bit of controversy is not a bad thing, and it makes him more popular and it it makes him you know get get ultimately more money, more sponsorship at the end of the day. 00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:16.880 Like I'd say now, if you went and have a private conversation with him versus you know the bit of the bit of pot stirring that he'll still do, you know, in an interview or on social media, they're they're very different. 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:21.360 Like it for now it's purely strategic from

him, I think, and and all in good fun. 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:23.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:24.960 No, I I believe it. 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:26.320 He's he seems like a good guy. 00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:32.960 But this is the beauty of the T100, like it's really made these little stories and and you know, like pseudo-rivalries happen. 00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:34.559 I'm actually really looking forward to it this year. 00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:36.320 I actually wanted to bring one up to you. 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:37.519 Yep, hit me. 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:49.360 Um so like you know, I I uh you know, as embarrassing as this is to admit, I was listening to uh Yeligan's uh podcast he'd made. 00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:50.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:55.199 And he kind of like I felt like he was kind of like Morgan shouldn't have been invited. 00:59:56.239 --> 01:00:00.639 I was like a bit like, dude, come on, like like it was kind of insulting to me. 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:03.280 So I just I thought I'd bring that up to you. 01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:04.239 All right, yeah. 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.159 Well what do you like what do you want to talk about? 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.519 Like whether it's real or not, whether you whether that's what he was saying. 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:12.320 Uh I don't know. 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.039 I just thought I'd I don't it's not really much more to say. 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:23.599 I just personally I was just a little bit like I don't know, man, like okay, like like what like why why don't I deserve to go? 01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:26.960 I mean, um it's a hot shot, you know. 01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:33.599 They want to pick someone that's like a bit of a wild, like I know they probably got a wild wild card if they didn't already use that term, you know. 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:36.000 They said they want to pick someone that's a bit of an X factor. 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:38.239 Uh well he's the champ now. 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:45.440 He does like one Lake Las Vegas, beat Martin Van Reel, only got uh to beat Martin, won 70.3 worlds, took down Hayden Wild. 01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.079 I guess he's just in that phase where he can say and do what he wants. 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:49.360 Like he's the big dog. 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:51.280 Yeah, that's true. 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.960 Yeah, it's up to you to go and prove that you deserve it now, I guess. 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:56.559 Yeah, yeah, of course. 01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:04.719 I mean, I know I need to, but um, I felt like he didn't need to s I felt like uh like I already felt that way, you know. 01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:05.679 He didn't need to say that. 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.760 But I personally, I mean, I'm just I I believe I'm someone who can outrun him. 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:16.159 And I'm sure he thinks he's like uh so you know, maybe he's like a little worried. 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:16.880 Maybe. 01:01:17.280 -->

01:01:18.159 I love this. 01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:19.599 I love this, mate. 01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.480 You are a great inclusion into the long course scene. 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:28.079 This is why, this is why the T100 invited you, because they look they love people like you. 01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:39.519 Like, if it was just like uh some long some guy who you know maybe wants some 70.3s, but like, you know, at the end of the day, like I think I'm a threat. 01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:45.199 I mean, I know, I know I gotta prove myself, but I think I'm more of a threat than a lot of these guys that they could have invited, you know? 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:46.800 And I think that's why they pick me. 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:47.519 I agree. 01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:48.960 I think you're a massive threat. 01:01:49.119 --> 01:02:04.559 And like compared to say, you know, a 70.3 guy, like someone like Nico Mann, who I love, big fan of, still think he has some years of development he needs before he can win a T100 race or or maybe even podium a T100 race, but he's he's gonna be racing. 01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:08.880 I think he can come between fifth and tenth in races consistently. 01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:17.440 Whereas I think that on your day, if you get things right at one point, you can really push to try and win one of these things if you come off the bike with the league group. 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:22.960 You know, sure there's a chance that you get dropped and and have a bit of an inconsistent day here and there, but I agree with you. 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:30.480 I think that you are the definition of like a hot shot, a wild card, someone who can mix it up if they if everything goes right for them on the day. 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:32.079 I couldn't agree more with what you're saying. 01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:40.000 And yeah, and I love, man, I love the confidence in you, and I love the fact that you're going after Yalla, who is undoubtedly the best guy in the world right now. 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:42.239 You know, Martin and Hayden are there, but Yalla's the guy. 01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:43.599 I'm not going after him. 01:02:43.679 --> 01:03:06.719 I just like I just thought like honestly, I thought I he was, you know, like I feel like we're pretty, you know, in short course we were pretty I don't want to say like we were close, you know, like maybe not podium every race, but you know, we'd be up there and stuff, and I I felt like we were, you know, we were almost like like if there's someone uh that I could relate with, it was him. 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:07.599 You know what I'm saying? 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:08.800 I know what you're saying, yeah. 01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.880 But I'll say and then he's like taking a kind of taking like a a dig at me. 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:21.760 Yeah, and maybe he wasn't trying to, but that's how I that you know, maybe I'm just uh maybe I'm just maybe I just felt that way when he said it, because uh that's just like who I am. 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.599 Like I take things personally, yeah, and I'm a bit sensitive, but uh who cares? 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:31.760 Yeah, I just it was like like if it was Vince, like we're we're different athletes, but yeah, I don't know. 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:40.239 Mate, I yes, look, honestly, I think there was probably nothing in it, but it's good fun and it's good banter, and these little rivalries make the season funner. 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:44.639 And you're like I what I was saying is you're not like you're clearly not scared to go on race yeller. 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:48.320 Like a lot of people would be scared to race yellow with how well he's racing right now. 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:51.280 You're not, and that's that's what's gonna make the season so exciting. 01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:57.119 And that's why I'm so like so happy to have you racing middle distance, mate, because you make races fun. 01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.559 You know, you're a great personality, you're not afraid to say what you think. 01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:02.559 I love that you're calling out the disrespect. 01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:03.920 It's it's mate, it's incredible. 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:10.000 And I can't it just makes me keen for Singapore now and a potential situation where you and Yala are together in a race. 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:11.920 Like now I can't wait for that. 01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:13.119 Yeah, yeah. 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.480 Well, don't don't give me a few, like, give me a few tries. 01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:19.840 Let me let me get let's think Singapore's gonna be like, well, we'll see how it goes. 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.000 Like I can maybe do well, but yeah, yeah. 01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.880 Maybe by like uh I beatha. 01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:26.639 By like the summer, by the summer. 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:27.440 We'll see. 01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:32.800 Okay, yeah, we'll give you we'll give you like three or four free hits, but then from there not even three. 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:34.159 Uh well, like by the third one. 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:35.199 By the third one, I do. 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:36.079 Okay, yeah, yeah. 01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:37.440 Give me then. 01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:44.079 Yeah, so no rivalry for two weeks for two races, but from the third, Yala versus m Morgan, it's on. 01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:45.119 Yeah, man. 01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:50.159 I mean, hey, if if there's a rivalry there and I can like it's back and forth, like that means I'm doing great. 01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:51.440 So I'll take it. 01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:52.000 Exactly. 01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:52.719 All right, mate. 01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:54.239 Well, we've run way over time. 01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:58.000 We we're only gonna go for 45, 50 minutes, but here we are, an hour in. 01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.480 So let's let's call it call it a wrap there. 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:07.840 I reckon we've definitely got three or four more podcasts in us this year to talk about everything because I feel like we've only really just touched the surface. 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.480 So, mate, thank you for finally coming on the podcast. 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:17.440 I'm bloody excited to watch you race uh a bit of middle distance this year and and get involved in that scene and and love what you're doing. 01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:21.280 Love love how I love the personality you bring the to the sport, mate. 01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:27.199 And you've just shown it here in this podcast, and and you're a really exciting addition to the to the middle course, uh, middle distance world. 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.800 So I can't wait for 2025 and uh and thanks for coming on. 01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:31.760 Yeah, thank you. 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:32.800 I appreciate your time. 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.199 Uh yeah, have a good day down in Australia. 01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:36.000 Thanks, bye.