บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ 218: Google Exposed Claude Chats , OpenAI vs HuggingFace, Brinks Security gets hacked?

of your life, and um- I'm [00:04:34] cybershortieee: enjoying this [00:04:35] HD: Exactly. [00:04:36] HD: I'm [00:04:36] cybershortieee: enjoying [00:04:36] HD: this. [00:04:36] cybershortieee: That's why you [00:04:36] HD: saying [00:04:37] cybershortieee: that. I'm enjoying this sun. It do... Okay, I ain't gonna lie. It do be, like, it be intense. It could be a little less intense, but I'm not complaining. I'm not ready for it to get cool or cold anytime soon. [00:04:49] HD: Yeah, for sure. And, um, football season, everybody state your teams. [00:04:54] HD: Y'all know me. Go Broncos. You [00:04:56] cybershortieee: know me. [00:04:56] HD: Go Knicks. [00:04:57] cybershortieee: Go Cowboys. [00:04:58] HD: She's a, a Lions [00:05:00] fan. [00:05:00] cybershortieee: I am. Why would you lie like that? No, I'm not. I don't even have nothing Lions. My family are Lions fans. What? [00:05:07] HD: You really don't like the Lions? [00:05:08] cybershortieee: No, just 'cause I'm from Michigan? No, not at... No. I feel like I'm more of a Cowboys fan because I'm here. [00:05:15] cybershortieee: I've done ... [00:05:17] HD: Yeah, I see her, right. [00:05:18] cybershortieee: I've done more Cowboy stuff here than I ever have. I never went to a Lions game ever. [00:05:23] HD: Yeah. Well, I think, I think primarily it's because when you was growing up, Lions was trash. [00:05:27] cybershortieee: They still is trash [00:05:28] HD: No, they not. They be in the playoffs now. They was- [00:05:30] They [00:05:31] cybershortieee: not winning ... [00:05:31] HD: they were super close to going- [00:05:32] cybershortieee: If you not winning, you trash [00:05:33] HD: But no, they was really close to going to the Super Bowl. [00:05:35] cybershortieee: Really close is not close enough. [00:05:37] HD: Almost counts when you been to the lines. [00:05:40] cybershortieee: I don't think so. [00:05:42] HD: Uh, but nah, let me get these topics up here that we, that we got for everybody. Give me a second. Um, and then I need to click the topics on, right [00:05:52] HD: All right, so today we got, uh, exposed Claude chats, US waters being attacked with, [00:06:00] uh, water systems, Huggle versus OpenAI continued, Okta bought a AI security startup for 200 Ms, and Australia social media ban. In between those topics, we definitely got some other, uh, interesting things, and let's actually have fun and start the show off with what I was talking about to you. [00:06:21] HD: That'd be a good icebreaker to start the show off with. [00:06:26] cybershortieee: Let's get it, shorty [00:06:31] cybershortieee: What was the icebreaker? [00:06:32] HD: Bonnet or [00:06:34] cybershortieee: no bonnet? Oh, okay. Um, no bonnet. [00:06:36] HD: Is it... I think I'm spelling this wrong. Is it B-O-N-N-E-T-T or one T? [00:06:41] cybershortieee: B-O-N-N-E-T-T. [00:06:43] HD: Okay. I don't wear 'em so I wouldn't know. [00:06:45] cybershortieee: Two Ts is sick. [00:06:48] HD: Um, what's the official statement from Tuskegee? [00:06:56] cybershortieee: Tough. It's tough[00:07:00] [00:07:01] cybershortieee: Let me pull. I was just looking at it. [00:07:03] HD: I just don't remember which one Yeah, they rolled out a dress code. Let's see [00:07:04] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. The university has developed a new policy for student attire on campus, classroom attendance, and cell phone use in classrooms. Tuskegee students now have a dress code for public and professional places. The student handbook requires students to arrive on campus with a business suit and proper shoes for a business meeting, the message continued. [00:07:24] cybershortieee: Students are prohibited from wearing revealing clothing in class, to the cafeteria, or in official settings like convocation. They are also not able to wear bedroom shoes, bonnets, or durags to class or the cafeteria. The updated policy also limits revealing or sexually explicit clothing as part of a broader effort to prepare students for the workforce. [00:07:45] cybershortieee: The goal here is not meant to restrict you from enjoying the Tuskegee experience, but to prepare you with a solid foundation for the workforce you will enter once you leave Tuskegee. Employers are less forgiving, and too often presentation may overrule stellar preparation. [00:08:00] [00:08:01] sounddrop: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [00:08:06] cybershortieee: This is really insane. Okay, it also extends dress expectations to classrooms and cafeterias. Hats, bonnets, headscarves, caps, hoods, durags, bandanas, sunglasses, and other non-religious or non-medically required head coverings should be removed while in the classroom or cafeteria unless they are required for documented medical, religious, cultural, or university-approved purposes, the student dress code states. [00:08:28] HD: Bet. I'm finna move on [00:08:34] HD: And you could probably [00:08:39] HD: There we go. You good? [00:08:40] cybershortieee: Yes. [00:08:41] HD: Okay. Uh, what you, what you think? You wanna go first? [00:08:45] cybershortieee: Um I'm not mad. I mean, I feel like when we were coming up, we had elders and our grandparents, our parents who set the record straight for us and told us it was a time and a place for [00:09:00] everything. It's a time and a place for you to wear more revealing clothing. [00:09:03] cybershortieee: In the classroom, it's not one of those places. It's not a time or a place for you to show up to class with your bonnet on. I mean, I'm, I'm not mad at it. If you don't learn it now, while you're young, you're gonna grow up and be an adult who thinks that that is acceptable behavior or an, uh, acceptable appearance, and then that boils over to the kids that you raise. [00:09:27] cybershortieee: You know what I mean? Um, and people just not knowing better. If you knew better, you'd do better. I'm not mad at it. [00:09:34] HD: Yeah. Okay. Um, I think it's, it's kinda layered for me because,

see, I didn't know they said you couldn't wear like your durag or your bonnet, like, uh... Where it say cafeteria? [00:09:48] cybershortieee: Well, I mean, what does the cafeteria got to do with anybody? [00:09:51] cybershortieee: Yeah. I'm talking about like to class. I understand, the [00:09:53] HD: class. [00:09:53] cybershortieee: Yeah. [00:09:53] HD: Yeah. [00:09:53] cybershortieee: Yeah, yeah. The [00:09:54] HD: class, like [00:09:54] cybershortieee: I- To class, graduations. I think, I think you can't tell people what to wear to cafeteria, especially if you ain't going to class. [00:10:00] Now granted, I don't wanna see nobody in the cafeteria with they bonnet on, so if they looking at bonnets the same way they look at durags, as a, you know, head protection, so be it. [00:10:10] HD: I think it's because if, if we wanna be honest, if we was to type in a Black person in a bonnet right now, it's gonna be probably like the most like ghetto-est picture you can find. Somebody like posted that the other day of somebody in a bonnet and whatever she had on. It... Typically, when you see people in bonnets, it look like they just rolled out of bed or getting up. [00:10:28] HD: Yeah. You didn't put your [00:10:29] cybershortieee: b- [00:10:29] HD: You came to your child's school with a robe on and a bonnet- You didn't put your best- ... and house slippers ... [00:10:32] cybershortieee: you didn't put your best f- best effort forward. And granted, I'm having a bad hair day today, but it's not in a bonnet. Yeah. You know what I mean? [00:10:41] HD: Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. [00:10:43] HD: Back in my day, I saw the young ladies, they would wear the, put their hair in a ponytail and put the Nike hat on. Mm-hmm. It was like it's a bad hair day. Yeah. It was- [00:10:51] cybershortieee: You can, you can do something to make it look presentable that doesn't involve you coming to class in a bonnet or a durag. Now guys, I'd be feeling bad 'cause [00:11:00] when you need a haircut, when you ain't had a haircut in three months, you can tell you ain't had no haircut in three months. [00:11:05] cybershortieee: It's different when you ain't had your hair done in three months and a guy ain't had his hair cut in three months. It's a different type of embarrassment I feel like the men feel, which is why they be having a durag on all the time. Well, [00:11:17] HD: some people wear it as a styling though. Like, it's a quarterback for the Falcons, and, um- [00:11:23] cybershortieee: But I'm not talking about them for style. [00:11:25] cybershortieee: I'm talking about the people [00:11:25] HD: who- Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying even like, um, we kinda grew up with that being the fashion. Yeah. The durags, the headbands, the jersey. Some people wear it like that, like more of a fashion statement. I think they are trying to want to be too, I mean more professional. I do. I think the part that everybody just glanced over was they were so mad about you can't wear house slippers and bonnets. [00:11:47] cybershortieee: Why would you be in class with your slippers on? Come on. That's what I'm saying. We gotta have some couth people. Yeah. [00:11:53] HD: I think, 'cause, you know, the difference is, like, I used to do, like, sweatpants. [00:11:59] cybershortieee: Me too. [00:12:00] [00:12:00] HD: A slide. Nike slides, T-shirt. Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. [00:12:02] cybershortieee: Yeah. [00:12:02] HD: But never house shoes. [00:12:04] cybershortieee: Never gave house shoes, never gave bonnet. [00:12:06] HD: And, um, but the biggest one that people- Pajamas ... they talk, they said they need to wear suits. Do you remem- [00:12:11] cybershortieee: do you remem- the suits was a reach. The suits was a reach. Uh. But I mean, like, do you have a presentation? You know what I mean? Is it because if you have a presentation, you should be dressing up, you know? [00:12:21] HD: But, like, on Coach Carter and, and, um, Remember the Titans. [00:12:25] cybershortieee: We, we was talking about that. All he wanted them to do was get a little, a little... It wasn't even a high GP, it was like a 2.5 [00:12:31] HD: or something. You know what I mean? He said, "Hey, y'all too good to go to Goodwill. Y'all can't go get y'all no suit or nothing." [00:12:34] HD: Yeah. I think they just, because if you think about the generation of- Bring [00:12:37] cybershortieee: it, bring it back ... [00:12:38] HD: the generation of kids that's in school now, what do we talk about all the time when it comes to Gen Z? They lack what? [00:12:44] cybershortieee: Professional skills. [00:12:46] HD: So they are trying to help them because they know they're going to put them in a job market that's unforgiving. [00:12:52] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. [00:12:52] HD: And they are trying to... Like, a lot of people are getting mad and pressed about it. I seen one guy saying, "People don't know about this. If you never went [00:13:00] to school," and yada, yada, yada. But no. And, and also people are doing the whole PWI, HBCU thing. I s- it really don't matter because if you go back to when our grandparents, when they was coming up, them people had on suits. [00:13:14] HD: They- The ladies came out presentable ... [00:13:16] cybershortieee: every [00:13:16] HD: day, every day. And a lot [00:13:17] cybershortieee: of- Business casual was the thing, for sure ... [00:13:19] HD: and then a lot of people's argument is always, um, "Well, white people do this," and then I'm like, "Listen, the way we were dressing back then, it had nothing to do with white people. We took care of ourselves." [00:13:28] cybershortieee: Yeah. [00:13:29] HD: We went out and looked right. And then if... Don't make us get into how everybody was smaller back then as well. [00:13:35] cybershortieee: I, but I feel like- I don't know. I come from a family who will tell you, like, "No, that's not it." They don't care who you is. You could be one of my friends

coming around, they going, "No, that's inappropriate." [00:13:48] HD: Yeah. I think it's the same thing. Like, think about it. It takes a village. Think about it. [00:13:49] cybershortieee: It takes a village. It's the [00:13:51] HD: same thing how people say, "Hey, no sagging pants. We don't want you sagging." [00:13:53] cybershortieee: Exactly. It takes a village. It takes somebody who cares about you to tell you that that's not... it's the ti- it's [00:14:00] not, that's not the right time or place for that. [00:14:01] cybershortieee: We're not saying you can't ever wear it, just don't wear it to class. [00:14:05] HD: Exactly. So if y'all still with us right now, and you are in the chat, let us know how you feel about bonnets and house slippers and everything else. Like, if you Black, you already know, like, by the time that camera cut off for that interview, you already been judged. [00:14:17] HD: So you just wanna learn how to be presentable. I mean, it's just the world we live in, and you'll be mad if they didn't prepare you for a professional workplace, and you like, "Well, at school they let us wear this to the interview. I'll wear this." Like- [00:14:30] cybershortieee: And they do, people do treat you by how you look. [00:14:35] HD: Mm-hmm. [00:14:35] cybershortieee: They'll treat you better if you look [00:14:36] HD: better. I've seen people wear that to interviews all the time. Yeah. All the time. But, um, I'ma let you go first, and then we shall get started. [00:14:44] cybershortieee: What am I doing? Which one? [00:14:47] HD: Whatever you wanna pick. [00:14:48] cybershortieee: Okay. Let's- You [00:14:48] HD: can do whatever you like. [00:14:50] cybershortieee: Let's do hacker rehab. So hacker rehab, catching kids before the cuffs. [00:14:56] cybershortieee: So we talked about this a couple of times. Um, [00:15:00] in the UK, police are not just arresting teenage hackers, they are knocking on their doors to provide them with some redirection. Now, the program is called Cyber Choices. If you think about it, it's kind of like a rehab situation for young, quote-unquote, "hackers." [00:15:15] cybershortieee: Instead of a courtroom, a kid gets a cyber officer showing up, sitting them down, and then pointing all of that talent towards, um, training, certifications, and legitimate careers that they could do. Mm. Now, there's a kid obviously in every story. Um, this particular story, there was a 16-year-old who hacked his own sch- his own school's computers twice, um, just to get past any si- sites that were blocked, and to prove that he could basically outsmart the IT staff. [00:15:46] cybershortieee: Um, his mom obviously didn't fully realize how serious what he had done was, so she actually called the police herself. And so the result of that kind of situation was that now an officer mentors him, and the plan is to walk him [00:16:00] into a university campus and show him the cybersecurity degree that he could potentially earn

one day. [00:16:06] cybershortieee: Um, so same kid, same skills, but obviously showing him, showing him a completely different destination. And I think that the pi- that pipeline is kind of something important to say, 'cause we talked about... Like, my undergraduate is in criminal justice, so I could take it there. But, um, this whole rehabilitation piece- I'm so shady. [00:16:25] cybershortieee: You know [00:16:25] HD: what that's not about? [00:16:26] cybershortieee: What? [00:16:27] HD: That Sean Kingston song. « Shawty, I can take you there. » [00:16:31] cybershortieee: He was popping back then. Um, but, uh, kids never- rarely grow up wanting to be criminals. You know what I mean? Like, "Oh, I'm gonna grow up. I'm gonna be a criminal." As a kid, that's not really how they think. And so the pattern is really the same. [00:16:49] cybershortieee: They're usually very curious at that age, um, first. So they're curious. They start experimenting and trying different things, testing the systems, trying to see if they can bypass set [00:17:00] restrictions, and then they start stumbling into these communities that are online where they're able to, um, get more encouragement, right? [00:17:08] cybershortieee: Or sometimes, um, you know, understand that there may be a financial aspect or component to this behavior. Um, and so this program is obviously just trying to catch them at that fork in the road before they turn that curiosity into a record, I would say. Um, so, uh, the officer did say that a lot of these kids are nor- neurodiverse, um, which means that their brains are wired for these type of things. [00:17:37] cybershortieee: Um, s- and sometimes more at home with computers than in social situations are how these kids are typically found, um, because of that divergence. And so, um, knowing that that's not a flaw for them to punish and maybe a gift to the system if they can figure out a way to motivate that behavior to do it in a different way. [00:17:56] cybershortieee: Um, so I don't know. I thought that was... I mean, we talked [00:18:00] about this before. I think we talked about it last week, but I just love that program. I really do. And I think that kids... Everybody is not afforded the same hand in life. [00:18:11] sounddrop: Yeah. [00:18:11] cybershortieee: And I just think about, you know, kids who lack social skills and, um, the computer becomes their friends and chat rooms become their friends, and they just kinda get themselves into sticky situations that they can't get out of. [00:18:27] HD: Yep. Okay, there we go. Sorry about that, y'all. Thing came out. But, um, but nah, hey, guess what? They didn't have no five years experience, but they was able to hack it. [00:18:37] cybershortieee: That part. [00:18:38] HD: Speaking of- [00:18:39] cybershortieee: Scrub kitties ... [00:18:40] HD: but not even that. When I think about this is, like you said, kids are mostly influenced. These kids probably were watching, like, Mr. [00:18:46] HD: Robot or something. [00:18:47] cybershortieee: Or even starting off being a gamer and knowing you can cheat the game. [00:18:50] HD: But I think it goes into... 'Cause I thought about this the other day. I was driving. I said, "Why did they settle on the 16-year-old age for kids to be able to actually legally [00:19:00] drive?" And I thought about kids' perception of how a kid thinks. [00:19:04] HD: They don't understand the ramifications of things that they do or why it's wrong. [00:19:08] cybershortieee: Their brain isn't [00:19:09] HD: fully [00:19:09] cybershortieee: developed. [00:19:09] HD: And then, and then you just said they're also neurodivergent, so the way that they perceive things is a much more ones and zeros type of thing versus all the nuances of why you shouldn't do something. [00:19:20] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. [00:19:20] HD: So, I don't know. I think, I think that's good because now that they could be, um- If [00:19:25] cybershortieee: it was my kid, God forbid, I would want them to be able to receive a chance of rehabilitation and not just punishing them as an adult. But look, [00:19:34] HD: if, if he was able to hack the stuff, they should, like, well, while he was able to hack it, it mean that, like, your stuff shouldn't have been able been hacked that easy. [00:19:40] cybershortieee: That too, though. That too. Um, but also there being a learned behavior and, you know. [00:19:46] HD: Yeah. And I think- [00:19:47] cybershortieee: But because they might not even under... I'm just curious. I just wanna see if I can do it. I might not understand that this is actually a big federal crime that I'm committing. Um, so also understanding the [00:20:00] trouble you can get in. [00:20:03] HD: Yeah, for sure. But I think what's cool is that they should get them, like, everybody, if they can do this, y'all on real jobs. Like, let me work. Y'all obviously need me because y'all old people can't stop me. And that's goes back to, like, a conversation that Lee and I always have is about years of experience does not indicate, like, your actual expertise. [00:20:25] HD: Oh, for sure. Because some people have not did the stuff they used to do in five years. [00:20:28] cybershortieee: And some people who only been in the game for three months done experienced a lot of stuff. [00:20:32] HD: Mm-hmm. And speaking of, while we talking about this, we were also talking about how people can get these high level certifications without real experience, and why, the reason why cert culture is laughable. [00:20:46] HD: It's this young woman, now remember, we might still be mutuals on TikTok, so that's not even talking about her in a way. But, um, she's trying to transition. She's a teacher, but she has, uh, she just finished her master's at WGU. She has a CISM, a CSSP, [00:21:00] and something else, and I was... I said it to Lee, I was like, "She ain't really got no real experience." [00:21:05] HD: So it was like, you got all

this stuff, but now you, like, trying to transition when, like, your time was probably while you was at WGU or maybe, I don't know, can, do master's people qualify for early career roles? [00:21:25] cybershortieee: Yes. [00:21:26] HD: Okay. No, I'm asking for real. [00:21:28] cybershortieee: Well, it depends. Sometimes they, it depends on the employer. Sometimes they accept master's degree and bachelor's degree. It just depends, but in my experience, yes. [00:21:36] HD: Okay. No, I'm asking because I've realized that a lot of people coming out of school are not doing their due diligence. [00:21:43] HD: Like, I had a call with a client, I was like, "Bro, you should be typing this in on Google: uh, early career s- cybersecurity roles." [00:21:50] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. [00:21:50] HD: And it came up with nothing with companies that had early career things specifically for people like him. I said, "Y'all are not utilizing the stuff that's out there for y'all, and y'all trying [00:22:00] to go straight to the- [00:22:00] cybershortieee: Straight to a, a- [00:22:01] HD: three to five-year roles- ... a [00:22:03] cybershortieee: industry [00:22:03] HD: hire ... and that's why y'all not getting picked up." [00:22:05] cybershortieee: Yep. [00:22:05] HD: And- [00:22:06] cybershortieee: That's my advice. If you gonna go to school, you better take advantage of the stuff that's in your face. [00:22:13] HD: Exactly. Exactly, exactly. Um, but no, I think that was cool. See, but you know what? The UK is progressive in, in ways that the US is not. [00:22:23] cybershortieee: They eating us up- I think- ... in a lot of ways, I ain't gonna lie. [00:22:25] HD: Remind me, I'll tell you off camera of something else that I, I actually believe. I won't say it now, but I'll, I'll tell you off camera of something about the UK and the US that I, I have an, a theory about that one day I'll probably say on camera once I can back up some more. [00:22:40] sounddrop: Hmm. [00:22:42] HD: But, you know, I like to be, what you call it? Hold on, who is this? And like y'all obviously need me, but seriously give them a job with those skills. No, exactly, exactly. Exactly. Um Let's get into your favorite platform. [00:22:59] cybershortieee: [00:23:00] Apple? [00:23:00] HD: No. [00:23:01] cybershortieee: Oh. [00:23:02] HD: Uh, they exposed Clyde checks. [00:23:04] cybershortieee: Oh. My favorite. Now I- [00:23:12] cybershortieee: I mean, things are gonna happen like this until, until never. That's what I would say [00:23:19] HD: Ah, so it couldn't do it. Okay. So I know, I know what I'm gonna do. We finna go back old school style. We going old school style real quick, y'all. Give me a second. And I think the thing couldn't, um- [00:23:32] cybershortieee: Get past the pl- block... It was a paywall on that one? [00:23:35] HD: Mm-hmm. [00:23:36] cybershortieee: Yeah. [00:23:37] HD: But it's cool though [00:23:38] HD: Give me a second, y'all. Bear with us [00:23:45]

cybershortieee: Problem with a lot of service [00:23:49] HD: Aivan, noin voisi tuoda et [00:23:52] HD: Mac do this thing where, like, if you got something in a full screen, it'll be on its own deal. And I'm like, "Bro, that's [00:24:00] so lame." [00:24:00] HD: They just weighed. I know they weighed. I weighed myself [00:24:06] cybershortieee: I could probably pull it up [00:24:08] HD: No, I got it [00:24:08] HD: So for me and you, I need to make us smaller and put us at the top [00:24:16] HD: I'm doing this in real time, y'all. Bear with me. Bear with me. Um, so we had this private Claude chat exposed in Google, Bing, and search results. And I saw this on Twitter this week, actually. [00:24:30] cybershortieee: I saw it the, the day after it happened, um, on Google. Shout out to Claude, 'cause I do have me a little automation that'll let me know what's popping- [00:24:40] cybershortieee: every morning. [00:24:41] HD: So it says, "What happens between you and an AI chatbot does not always stay between you and the chatbot. Just ask Google. Over the weekend, people were surprised to discover that some Anthropic Claude chats could be easily found via web search. The issue, which appears to have been first flagged by a Redditor, exposed chats that included people asking for advice about [00:25:00] what political party they should join, whether attorneys in Kansas are required to self-report when they believe they've committed an ethical violation, and erotic role play." [00:25:13] HD: Um, "Claude allows users to share with other people snapshots of chats by creating a public URL to a specific chatbot thread. The reason some of these URLs were indexed by major search engines comes down to the basic functions of websites, search engines, and the collision of two when the generative AI gets in the mix." [00:25:33] HD: Now, what's funny is, now I'm thinking about this is, was it like a year ago or months ago when we were talking about there not being any protection of, like, if you had to go to court and they wanted to look at your history- Yep. Literally ... and how they could see that. Now I'm thinking about they ain't gotta do that. [00:25:47] HD: They just say, "Hey, show me what Shorty been looking at on Claude or ChatGPT," and it just show it to them. And [00:25:53] cybershortieee: it just show it to them quickly 'cause it's AI and it's gonna do that. [00:25:56] HD: Mm-hmm. [00:25:56] cybershortieee: Yeah. [00:25:58] HD: You should have, like, a, a pinned chat [00:26:00] that say, "If you are the authorities, your mother..." What's, you know, ever seen the old videos, like, "Whoever threw this, your mother's a ho"? [00:26:08] cybershortieee: Yeah. The teacher. [00:26:08] HD: That need to be the thing. Like, you reading this and you ain't supposed to, your mom's a ho. But, uh, basically Anthropic instructs web crawlers like those used by search engines like Google and Bing not to index chats a user decides to share with other people. The company does this via something called a robots.txt file. [00:26:24] HD: Oh yeah, I'm familiar with that. Which has long been considered the standard way to tell web scrapers what parts of a site are appropriate to access. Anthropic's robots.txt has made shared chats off limits to web scrapers since at least September 2025, according to a snapshot on the Wayback Machine. But it's harder to prevent pages from being included in the search engine results that you might expect. [00:26:48] HD: Bing shows about 612 results if you search site.claude.ai/share. At the same time of this writing, it says in the technical documentation that developers can block the search engine's web crawlers [00:27:00] using robots.txt, but web developers should also include a noindex tag on individual pages as well Let's see if they got some good stuff here, 'cause it's a lot. [00:27:12] HD: I don't wanna read this whole thing [00:27:13] HD: All right, let's see. Some of the chats that showed up in search results flagged in the Reddit post were deleted by the time Wired viewed them, and results no longer show up in Google when you search the shared query. Google says that it ignores robot.text instructions if that page is linked to from elsewhere on the internet, and the page owner doesn't always include a special noindex. [00:27:35] HD: Wired reviewed a sample of exposed Claude chat pages and found that they did not include the noindex tag that both Bing and Google say that they take into consideration when deciding whether or not to index a page. "We give people control over sharing their Claude conversations publicly, and in keeping with our privacy principles, we do not share chats, directories, or sitemaps with search engines like Google," says Anthropic [00:28:00] So, uh, let's see. [00:28:04] HD: Anthropic didn't respond to questions about why it didn't include the no index tag on the shared chat pages. And last September, Anthropic got heat for the same issue and told Forbes that it uses robots.txt to let crawlers know they shouldn't access shared chats. But as the Forbes report points out, there's no guarantee that will stop search engines from indexing specific web pages. [00:28:25] HD: So I'm gonna go through this end. Anthropic, Meta, and OpenAI all include instructions in their chatbots' robots.txt file that disallow their competitors' web crawlers from accessing any part of the website where the chatbots are hosted. OpenAI and Meta did not respond to a request or comment about the practice. [00:28:42] HD: Google did not address Wired's questions about the fact that its competitors are blocking its AI training crawler. Google is staying it from their chatbot sites. All right, so. [00:28:51] cybershortieee: When I read it, all I, all I kept thinking was, if you don't know, um, if you've never used Claude and you don't understand what they're talking [00:29:00] about, that public link, it won't make sense to you. [00:29:02] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. But I know

exactly what they're talking about. 'Cause if you're trying to share anything with somebody and show them something that you've made, you have to create that public link. But I mean, because it's public, it did say only the people you share this to or share the link with will have access. [00:29:21] HD: Yeah. Um, this inter- it's just one of the things where I, I, in this case- [00:29:26] cybershortieee: It made me say I'm not sharing public links anymore. That's what it made me say. Even, I don't know if it happened to me. I don't know. I [00:29:33] HD: don't really share, I don't really share nothing on my Gemini. [00:29:35] cybershortieee: I be making some s- I be making some cool stuff. [00:29:38] cybershortieee: I be like, "Hey, look at this." I send it to like my brother or something, but yeah. [00:29:41] HD: That's different. But it reminds me of a diary in a sense, right? You write everything in your diary, then you feel exposed 'cause somebody- Yeah ... came and read through your diary. [00:29:51] cybershortieee: That part. So be careful what y'all be on there using it for emotional support. [00:29:54] HD: I'm trying to see why they on there talking about erotic play, role-play. [00:29:57] cybershortieee: No, that's when- [00:29:57] HD: They getting ideas. [00:29:58] cybershortieee: They was definitely getting [00:30:00] ideas. [00:30:00] HD: They getting ideas for Hostile Takeover. Oh my [00:30:02] cybershortieee: gosh. I was just about to say that. Literally. Imagine. [00:30:08] HD: Everybody go get Hostile Takeover Part Two coming soon. [00:30:11] cybershortieee: Period. [00:30:11] HD: We trying to get it by Christmas. [00:30:13] cybershortieee: We trying. We trying. [00:30:16] HD: What you had next for us? [00:30:18] cybershortieee: I wanna talk about the water. [00:30:20] HD: Okay. [00:30:21] cybershortieee: America's water under attack. So this past week, more than 30 community water systems across Minnesota got hit in a coordinated cyber attack. Some utilities had to shut off the automatic systems and run everything by hand. [00:30:36] cybershortieee: Now, the drinking water was never compromised. Nobody's tap obviously turned different colors. Service was still on, but the systems running that water, that is what was touched. Now, the hackers went after something called a PLC, a programmable logic controller. Think of a PLC as the hands and eyes of a water plant. [00:30:57] cybershortieee: It's the little industr- industrial computer that [00:31:00] opens the valves, runs the pumps, and reports back what's happening. It is not the water, it's the controls for the water. In this attack, the hackers changed passwords to lock the operators out and flip settings to knock devices offline. In one small town, Braham, I believe that's how you say it, the crew caught a malfunctioning pump, isolated it, restored a backup, and had it running again in about 90 minutes. [00:31:25] cybershortieee: Obviously, that's a win, that's a blueprint, that's how we want things to be, but that's not the reality for a lot of folks. Now, where things get spicy are when investigators are looking into whether Iran is behind this. Obviously, that hasn't been confirmed yet, but they've openly said that the assessment could change and that somebody could even be faking an Iranian fingerprint to stir the pot while the US and Iran are in conflict. [00:31:50] cybershortieee: And then it went political. We have some comments, um, that were stating that it was publicly pushed back on Iran, again, pointing the finger at the state of [00:32:00] Minnesota instead of Iran. Um, so you've got intelligence sources leaning one way, the White House leaning a different way. Um, when the experts and the president obviously can't agree on who did it, that tells you how hard attribution really is. [00:32:14] cybershortieee: And this isn't just Minnesota's problem. CISA, the federal cybersecurity agency, dropped a national alert. Attackers are hunting these exposed water controllers everywhere, even at utilities with mature security programs. Our water is under attack. Not shocked. Um, I think that this... We talked about this before, and we'll say it again. [00:32:37] cybershortieee: I think that this is what warfare will look like. [00:32:41] HD: Oh, yeah. And the fact, like- [00:32:42] cybershortieee: It's not always gonna be a, a combat battle at all. [00:32:47] HD: Yeah. And, um, I think... Let me see something. Uh, keep Phillip Western in front of me while I look for something real quick. [00:32:51] cybershortieee: I think that, um [00:32:57] cybershortieee: I'm a big water drinker. I don't know. That's a little [00:33:00] nerve-wracking to think about something happening to our water. Forget the fact that we won't get to the water, but if something were to happen to the water chemically speaking, and now it's not drinkable, unsafe. [00:33:12] HD: Mm-hmm. Yeah, this is why, uh, there's been a big push for people to get into OT. [00:33:18] HD: Uh, and so, like, uh, Gabe had, actually had a post this week. Shout out to Gabe. He is... Let's give his, his title. He's the executive director of OT and cybersecurity at Jacobs, and he made a post. He said, "The recent attacks targeting municipal water systems are another reminder of something the OT cybersecurity community has known for years. [00:33:40] HD: Internet-connected control systems without appropriate security controls create unnecessary risk. Operational efficiencies that come from remote connectivity should never come at the expense of cybersecurity. For recent OT pen tests and technical cyber services, I've seen far too many newly deployed OT environments with missing hardening, weak [00:34:00] configurations, and even default credentials still in place. [00:34:02] HD: These aren't theoretical risk anymore, but rather the type of gaps that adversaries are and will continue to exploit. We are actively assisting victim water, victim

water organizations navigate their response activities and incident remediations. At Jacobs, we're helping water and wastewater utilities build resilience through a secure-by-design engineering approach." [00:34:23] HD: Manny mentioned secure by design, but as we're leading now to many critical infrastructure projects globally, the incorporation of cyber isn't a question for us. If your water organization has been affected by the recent attack or evaluating its OT environment or even looking to strengthen its cyber resilience, feel free to reach out. [00:34:41] HD: Happy to share lessons learned and discuss practical approaches. But yeah, OT is where it's, where it's at right now. [00:34:49] cybershortieee: Yeah. SCADA. [00:34:52] HD: Mm-hmm. [00:34:52] cybershortieee: SCADA systems. [00:34:53] HD: ICS. [00:34:54] cybershortieee: Yep. I remember learning about it in school. Um, I didn't have much [00:35:00] exposure outside of the labs, but I did learn a lot. Um, it is a niched area, and if you can get in, get in where you fit in. [00:35:08] HD: Yep. Let me hear what everybody... Look, listen to our new jock real quick. A-a-a-a-a-a-and [00:35:12] cybershortieee: I'm Cyber Shorty. [00:35:16] HD: Uh, I ain't got mine yet, but, uh, we'll, we'll- Wait, what [00:35:18] cybershortieee: did, what was I saying? [00:35:19] HD: Huh? [00:35:19] cybershortieee: I said, "Am Cyber Shorty"? [00:35:21] HD: It was like, I just found an intro where you were saying Cyber Shorty. Oh, [00:35:24] cybershortieee: yeah. [00:35:24] HD: So it's like, I could probably take it to say, uh, just Cyber Shorty, but I think it's funnier to say I'm Cyber Shorty. [00:35:31] HD: But I, so LinkedIn, you know, they got their little news section and everything else, and they had a, a good topic. [00:35:41] cybershortieee: What's T? [00:35:43] HD: Let me see if I can find it 'cause I think I saved it. Ooh, I spelled that wrong. But it pretty much is about LeBron. If anybody don't know, LeBron took the minimum to play with the Philadelphia 76ers. [00:35:56] HD: I think it's, like, one or two years, 8 million. I don't know if it's a [00:36:00] year or two years, bro. I'm not gonna get into particular, but that's a very big pay cut- [00:36:05] cybershortieee: Huge pay [00:36:06] HD: cut ... for him. But let me see if I- The question was gonna be, when is it time to p- take a pay cut? 'Cause you think about it- [00:36:15] cybershortieee: That's a good topic [00:36:17] HD: in our fields, everybody's all about go get the bag, go get the bag, go get the bag. But here's what happens sometimes. Like, for the people who... I'm pro job hopping, but I'm not pro job hopping that you're just job hopping to the same role over and over and over again 'Cause what that does is it restricts your growth to where now you're not probably learning anything new. [00:36:40] HD: Mm-hmm. So you may be getting paid more than you was at your last role, but now w- when the going gets tough, you at

a ceiling. So having said all that, there may be times strategically in your career where you need to take a backup and take like a little cut. [00:37:00] And it, and I ain't talking about like taking the cuts where you can't pay your bills. [00:37:02] HD: I'm talking about like, you know, something modest. Let's say, let's say you capped out... Well, let's say right now you're currently making $180,000 but you only need maybe 150,000 to pay your bills, and there's a new role that comes up that's gonna give you a new set of skills, but it only pays 165. I say you go take that role. [00:37:26] HD: Yeah, you probably ain't gonna be doing everything you was doing at 180, but if you go take that 165, now you got the new skills. Now your next paycheck, you may be making, well, yearly thing may be 220, versus if you kept on chasing the 180s, you may only top out at 180. So I think it's better to take a pay cut if it's strategic and you having a vision for the long-term success of your career versus not having any type of strategy and you just trying to... [00:37:55] HD: We should all, you know, like Dolph say, get the money. However, [00:38:00] if you ain't strategizing, you gonna get stuck. [00:38:02] cybershortieee: I'm with you. Sometimes you gonna have to take a pay cut, especially when you just now starting out. Beggars can't be choosers, and I, I took a pay cut. [00:38:10] HD: Well, well now I'm not even talking about starting out. [00:38:13] HD: Like for example, let's say hypothetical, I know you wanna be a, I think you wanna work in cyber law one day, right? Okay. Now let's say you done ran the bag up at your current company, but the opportunity to do cyber law comes up for you and- [00:38:28] cybershortieee: It's gonna be a pay cut regardless, I know that, and I'm willing to do it. [00:38:31] cybershortieee: Yeah. [00:38:31] HD: Exactly. Because of what? [00:38:33] cybershortieee: Yeah. Because I mean, you gotta start small to get big, and being a lawyer is based on experience. You're not finna just jump out the door getting, uh, partner money. [00:38:45] HD: Yeah. Exactly. No, but I'm just saying that's a strategy. [00:38:48] cybershortieee: Yeah. [00:38:48] HD: So where somebody say, "Are you stupid?" [00:38:50] cybershortieee: But, but people do, people, people do get stuck in that, "Oh, I'm only going here if I'm gonna make some more money." [00:38:55] cybershortieee: But if you're getting a new skill set, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. You [00:39:00] gotta be strategic enough to help yourself meet your goals. [00:39:04] HD: Yeah. So like for example, I've seen this over the six years doing the career coaching. I've had guys come to me and they talking about- But yeah, man, I'm trying to... [00:39:15] HD: Mind you, sometimes these people ain't even made the type of money they think they finna pivot to make. Yeah, I'm trying to pivot and I wanna make the, the $120,000. But I've had smart potential clients say, "Hey, I've been saving up my money. I know that I may have to take a- Exactly. Like, they'll be a high earner in one field. [00:39:31] HD: Let's say, like, one guy at the time, he was, like, a store manager for Home Depot, so he was making, like, six figures. He said, "I know if I pivot, I may not make the six figures right now," but he was like, "I know in a year or two I'll be able to surpass what I'm currently making." And that's the way you gotta look at it. [00:39:47] cybershortieee: Yep. [00:39:48] HD: Or I got a good example for y'all from my boxing fans. Mr. Keyshawn Davis. Mr. Keyshawn Davis w- uh, the split was gonna be, I think, I think the split is [00:40:00] with him and Devin Haney was, like, 70/30, and Devin was getting paid... I think they put a purse bid in for, like, 8 million. Devin was gonna get, like, 6 million or something like that. [00:40:12] HD: And no, no, actually let me take it back. They initially offered Keyshawn $3 million to fight, and he turned that down. So it went to purse bid, and he ended up getting less money than he was initially getting offered. But here's the kicker. His career-high purse is only a million dollars So he couldn't see the vision of, hey, why am I trying to get the $5 million? [00:40:33] HD: I've never made over a million. Let me take what I'm getting, win the fight, and now I can make the five to six to $7 million. He didn't have no strategy for his career. Now he's allegedly saying that it wasn't him, but Jay Prince told him to do that. But listen. [00:40:50] sounddrop: I'm here to tell you right now, we don't care. [00:40:53] sounddrop: Let me tell, let me tell you something. [00:40:55] HD: Jerry- Listen, you the boss. He work for you, not the other way around. You should have [00:41:00] took that money and got that, and got that bread. But now we don't know who you gonna fight. You're not a star like that. And it's other things too. Let's, I'ma get out the boxing realm, and I'ma get back onto just regular people working. [00:41:14] HD: These people, some of them are not the highly sought out candidates. They don't have all the skills, and so they missing opportunities to make more money because that's all they focused on. And that, that runs you into a wall. I could just tell you that. Between that, and I will also tell people this. [00:41:31] cybershortieee: Somebody gonna hear this and say, "I'm still not doing it." That's fine. And they gonna be in the same spot. [00:41:36] HD: I will tell them this. If you hadn't interviewed in the last six months, you need to blow your resume off and start applying and start interviewing. So in case you get laid off or something happen, you gonna be ready and you gonna get ready. [00:41:50] cybershortieee: Ooh, getting ready. ' [00:41:52] HD: Cause I'm telling you right now, it's just like if you ain't been to the gym in a long time and you try, "Oh yeah, last time I was in the gym I know I was hitting 225." You get on there, [00:42:00] your arms start

shaking. You ain't hit it in a long time. You ain't did legs. You in there shaking. Look, you gotta keep it up. [00:42:08] HD: Legs trembling. You gotta keep... You, no matter what, I don't care how good the job is, you gotta keep interviewing, period. You gonna, one, stay ahead of the game. Two, figure out what's new in your field that you can learn. 'Cause the company's gonna be looking for the new technologies. Even though I seen a, um... [00:42:25] HD: While we're talking, I wonder if I could, let me see if I can screenshot and send here. But it was hilarious, man. My guy, a friend of the show, the Job Father, I'ma show this picture to you. Let me see. Where's the bookmark? I know I bookmarked it. Hope that got- He be [00:42:37] cybershortieee: having me cracking up. Oh [00:42:39] HD: yeah. He say he sending all the fake Job Father assistant, uh, assistant to Ceasless. [00:42:43] HD: Oh, we got one I done put up here. It's, uh, about privacy in Snapchat. I might read that in a second I thought I liked it, bro. He had one. Yahoo had a role talking about you need to have 10 years experience in, uh, cloud or something like that. I swear to God, it was hilarious. I- [00:42:59] cybershortieee: [00:43:00] Please. Ain't even been around for 10 [00:43:03] HD: years. [00:43:03] HD: Exactly. Exactly. Um, while I'm actually here, let me go ahead and read this, 'cause people think they Snapchats and everything is so private. And, um- [00:43:16] cybershortieee: Snap been going strong for more than 10 years ... [00:43:19] HD: So this is a new page I found. It's, uh, he's called the IT guy. He said a 22-year-old student teacher in Illinois sent a private Snapchat message to her boyfriend and two roommates. [00:43:29] HD: A student had walked up to her laptop and deleted her lesson plan mid class frustrated. She typed something like, "Should I shoot him with a gun emoji?" Venting, four people private group chat. An hour later, police walked into her school and arrested her. Here's what happened in between. Snapchat's AI scanned the private message, flagged it as potential threat, automatically reported it to the FBI. [00:43:51] HD: The FBI forwarded to the local law enforcement. Deputies arrived at that school within the hour. She cooperated immediately, handed over her phone. When shown the message, [00:44:00] she said, "Oh, yes. Okay. Yeah. I'm realizing that was a bad joke. I didn't mean it at all serious, in all seriousness." Police determined she was not a threat. [00:44:08] HD: School officials determined she was not a threat. Prosecutors reviewed and issued a disorderly conduct charge. She was released the next morning. She lost her student teaching placement. This means Snapchat scans private messages, not just public posts or stories, private group chats between you and your closest contacts. [00:44:23] HD: Automated AI. No human reviewed it at first. Got flagged and reported. Snapchat AI is throwing errors to FBI, local police, school arrests

in other than an hour. Snapchat's privacy policy says it may share your information with law enforcement when it believes there's a risk and harm. The definition of risk and harm is determined by an algorithm. [00:44:41] HD: You are not told when a message is flagged. You are not told when a report is filed. You find out when the police arrive. The message wasn't private. I mean, the message was private, but it wasn't. And so that's for the people that still using Snapchat So that's kinda crazy. I would sue them. [00:44:57] cybershortieee: Ooh. ' [00:44:58] HD: Cause they got it wrong. [00:44:59] cybershortieee: Ooh-wee. [00:45:00] [00:45:00] HD: There was, there was no context to believe she was gonna actually shoot the kid. [00:45:03] cybershortieee: That is so insane. That's so insane. But I think that most tools, things, are scanning our messages, maybe except for i... But, like, uh, social media platforms. I think they're here. Yeah. Pictures, um, videos, um, the content of the conversation- Mm-hmm [00:45:21] cybershortieee: just like you s- That's insane. That's so embarrassing too. [00:45:26] HD: Man, no, that, just imagine, um- [00:45:29] cybershortieee: Now you out of a job. [00:45:30] HD: Remember, did you, were you a big fan of Bernie Mac Show? [00:45:33] cybershortieee: Not a big fan, but I watched it. [00:45:35] HD: Do you remember he got in trouble when he told one of them he'll beat them to the white meat show? [00:45:39] cybershortieee: No, but I can imagine. [00:45:40] HD: But imagine saying that on Snapchat now. That CPS at your house. [00:45:43] cybershortieee: No, literally. Literally. ' [00:45:45] HD: Cause they read it. They say, "Did you say you gonna beat them to the white meat show?" [00:45:48] cybershortieee: That's scary. I mean, you gotta pick and choose these message, messaging platforms. Dang. [00:45:54] HD: People like, "America, what's our role?" [00:45:56] cybershortieee: The FBI forwarded to the local police.[00:46:00] [00:46:01] HD: I'm suing everybody. [00:46:02] cybershortieee: And she lost her job. [00:46:04] HD: I'm suing everybody. [00:46:04] cybershortieee: Even after they found out that she wasn't really- I [00:46:08] HD: beg your pardon. I'm suing everybody [00:46:13] cybershortieee: Um... [00:46:15] HD: You got to, 'cause like- [00:46:16] cybershortieee: I just, I don't- ... you [00:46:17] HD: fired me. Like, I don't, yeah, like let, let's say I don't even own no gun. I'm fi- I'm, I'm suing you. [00:46:23] cybershortieee: That, not owning a gun is crazy. [00:46:26] HD: Like, come on, man. [00:46:27] cybershortieee: Yeah. [00:46:28] HD: Look, I know how she was when the, um, when they walked up in there on the, in the class. Like, she just knew. Like, how'd they know? She [00:46:37] cybershortieee: knew for sure. [00:46:38] HD: I definitely would sue Snapchat, 'cause Snapchat probably didn't tell everybody that either when they w- put that change into focus. [00:46:43] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. [00:46:44] HD: So hey, if you using Snapchat right now- [00:46:46] cybershortieee: Don't. I'm just kidding ... [00:46:47] HD: remember, "Down in the DMs" by Yo Gotti. AI's looking at all that, and if they get breached, you know it's all right. [00:46:54] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. " [00:46:55] HD: Down in the [00:46:57] cybershortieee: DMs." It go down in the DMs. [00:46:59] HD: It go [00:47:00] down. It's, I actually love that song. [00:47:01] cybershortieee: Oh, I was just about to say the part. [00:47:03] HD: Hmm. [00:47:03] cybershortieee: Yeah, you know exactly what I was gonna say. Snapchat [00:47:05] HD: mean that... Hmm. [00:47:06] cybershortieee: Yeah. [00:47:08] HD: Hmm. [00:47:08] cybershortieee: Girl, my DM popping. Hmm. My DM just a body. You [00:47:11] HD: just caught a body. Oh, man, but, um, I used to love that video, too. [00:47:17] cybershortieee: I don't remember it. [00:47:18] HD: Man, 'cause DJ Khaled was on there. He was like, "She smart, she lawyer." He said, Billy Ze Rover was like, "What I'm supposed to do to this?" [00:47:24] HD: He said, "One word for you, prenup. They go down in the DMs." I might watch that video right after this, 'cause I'm like, I know I'm joking lot about it, but, um, in all seriousness, guys, like just, just be vigilant out there. [00:47:38] cybershortieee: Gotta be. Stay ready so you don't gotta get ready. Send this to one of your friends that's in your, um, small hometown that's still on Snapchat, 'cause I know a lot of folks back in my city are still heavily prevalent on Snapchat. [00:47:49] HD: Right. And then if you are still in the video right now... Hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit the like button You seen your shoes over there for a new song. Bring it to me. [00:48:00] [00:48:02] cybershortieee: Oh, Lord. [00:48:04] HD: I'm telling you, man, you gotta have your peripheral head always on a swivel when you got kids. You do. Um, but yeah, uh, what, what you had next? [00:48:11] cybershortieee: I have, uh, hmm [00:48:18] HD: You wanna do Huggable versus OpenAI? [00:48:21] cybershortieee: AI Hugging Face? [00:48:23] HD: Yeah. [00:48:24] cybershortieee: Okay. [00:48:24] HD: I said Huggable, didn't I? [00:48:25] cybershortieee: Yes. So when the hacker is the AI, Hugging Face. So this one definitely sounds like science fiction and it's not, but this really, really, really happened. AI platform Hugging Face got hit by a fully autonomous AI-powered cyb- cyberattack, and the plot twist was that OpenAI admitted the, quote-unquote, "hacker" was one of its own AI models. [00:48:51] cybershortieee: Um, so they're saying that their model broke out of a testing environment and into Hugging Face's protected systems while trying to beat a [00:49:00] benchmark. An AI was obviously in a scenario off the leash, hacking a real company by itself. Now everybody's first instinct is to scream, "The robots are attacking," but the experts told a smarter story, and this is

the mature take. [00:49:13] cybershortieee: The techniques the AI used, the same ones that a human hacker would use, nothing exotic. Um, better traditional defenses could have stopped it, which is what we always say. Now, what made this different was speed and noise. This AI agent performed around 17,600 actions in about four and a half days, breaking in, doing recon, stealing passwords, moving around. [00:49:38] cybershortieee: A human user would've tiptoed. And the thing about this is that it was not insanely noisy because nobody told it to be quiet. It just wanted to finish the task. And the gut punch is that Hugging Face's tools actually saw the attack and flagged it as a signal. The system never escalated it to a human fast enough. [00:49:59] cybershortieee: One [00:50:00] analyst called it the exact gap between seeing and stopping. Now, the kicker to dig through 17,000-plus actions is pretty crazy. Hugging Face had to bring in its own AI to help. AI attacked them, and AI also helped to clean up the process, and I think that's what the world will be like. We'll see more AI attacks, and we'll see more AI solutions and systems helping us uncover what happened during said attack. [00:50:26] cybershortieee: But that was crazy. [00:50:27] HD: Yeah. And so this is one of those things where it's, it, it's kind of just similar how technology has advanced and, and progressed for the most part. Like, um, blue teamers are probably worried about this, but think about it. Like, back in the day, DDoS was, like, the scariest thing. Then you started getting better firewalls that can block the stuff. [00:50:48] HD: Yep. Better WAFs that can block the stuff. So what's gonna happen is now everybody's gonna have a layer of AI tools that's gonna be looking for detections. Like, it may be automation, like, hey, a threshold. If you see... What'd [00:51:00] it say? Like, 17,000 attacks in how f- how fast? [00:51:02] cybershortieee: Four and a half days. [00:51:04] HD: So what's 17,000 divided by four? [00:51:10] cybershortieee: Bye. [00:51:11] HD: Let me see [00:51:16] cybershortieee: Putting it- [00:51:17] HD: So they did pretty much 42, uh, 50. So if we do divide it by 24, that means it's like 177 attacks an hour. So- That's a lot ... so our threshold would probably be if we see more than 50 attacks an hour- [00:51:30] cybershortieee: Yeah ... [00:51:31] HD: to automatically start our AI detection to fight back whatever it is. To start [00:51:35] cybershortieee: tri- triaging- Mm-hmm [00:51:38] cybershortieee: and breaking down, shutting [00:51:39] HD: things down, isolating systems. Yeah. So that, I, it always just goes, boils back down to better detections. So that, 'cause the thing is always to try to frame it as like, like, um, in my notes it said, um, the speed, uh, symmetry. Human SOC analysts operate in minutes and hours, and AI agent exe- executing thousands of access power across automated machine [00:52:00] speed detection and containment. [00:52:01] HD: But the key word I'll take out of that is detection. Now you gotta prepare for speed. Like, your detection rules should already be checking for a bot like type of activity. But [00:52:10] cybershortieee: now it's a new type, it's a new type of detection and new types of, um, techniques. [00:52:15] HD: Yeah. Well, I mean, it's not new types, just faster. [00:52:19] HD: So it, it's just- [00:52:19] cybershortieee: Well, in the, in a new context. [00:52:21] HD: Yeah. But I'm saying, like, I wonder how do they frame the AI stuff? Do they frame it as bots? Like, for example, any company that got like web applications where people gotta use stuff, a lot of times people use bots to figure out what information they can do or they can get accesses to it. [00:52:36] HD: It's kind of similar with these agents or whatever they're doing, but it may be the forensic trails they may leave may be a little bit different, especially when it's probably like mostly probably gonna show up on a network or what they doing or, um... I would just love to unpack, like if they share everything that they did in like a full write-up, I think that is like the most interesting thing to me to see exactly. [00:52:57] HD: 'Cause this is the stuff that the detection teams [00:53:00] have to start deploying now to prepare for these things versus waiting until you get hit. [00:53:05] cybershortieee: Yep. ' [00:53:05] HD: Cause you can't withstand the onslaught. You're gonna have to fight fire with fire when it comes to, um, the AI attacks. [00:53:12] cybershortieee: But folks aren't also, um- Staying relevant enough to this type of information [00:53:20] HD: I agree, I agree. [00:53:21] HD: Uh- [00:53:22] cybershortieee: I was trying to look up the TTPs for agents [00:53:26] HD: Okay [00:53:26] HD: Let's see. But since we are here, let's, uh... That's not what we're looking for [00:53:35] HD: Let's switch the mood real quick. Uh, while we on AI, I think this is perfect To talk about. So this, let me go right here. Scene three [00:53:47] HD: Right You can see this, right? [00:53:50] sounddrop: All right, y'all. It's been coming out now that big companies are now telling their investors that they're gonna need to start hiring again if they wanna meet their targets. Executives across industries are all saying they're now needing to expand their headcount and accelerate their hiring. Which of course, is [00:54:00] a stark contrast to the narrative and the layoffs over the past couple years of AI's gonna just replace everyone magically. [00:54:04] sounddrop: Seems like they got a little overexcited there. Companies are realizing now that AI just isn't working. Many executives were actually quoted saying that the costs and the limitations of AI are now demanding that people get added back. And these are the two things that we've been seeing for a while now. [00:54:15] sounddrop: One is the limitations. AI is simply just not contributing to productivity. The amount

of time needed to fix all of its mistakes just completely evens out any potential time that could be saved. And that's not even to mention the fact that the quality is a major downgrade, as it's just all regurgitated slop. [00:54:27] sounddrop: People, the customers can tell, right? So it's not saving any time, and it's not producing anything of value, so it's really just not useful. But then the other big thing is the costs. The AI companies are no longer subsidizing the token costs. So now all these executives are starting to see the real costs of running these AI, and it's very expensive. [00:54:42] sounddrop: If we factor those two things together, the decrease in output quality and the increase in the input costs, it just means that AI is just destroying these companies' bottom lines. And obviously, that's all these executives care about. And this is what I've been saying for a while now. Once these executives see the numbers of AI, they're gonna drop it. [00:54:54] sounddrop: They don't care about AI. They only care about profit margins. Before, when there was the narrative of AI is magic and it's gonna [00:55:00] replace everyone, they were happy to fire them because, you know, hypothetically, they could just stop paying people, and then their profits would go up. But now that it's clear that AI not only does a worse job than humans but is also more expensive, I mean, they drop it without a second thought. [00:55:09] sounddrop: It's just simple dollars and cents, okay? Business is business is business. [00:55:16] HD: What you think? [00:55:18] cybershortieee: I could see where he's going. I don't fully agree. [00:55:22] HD: I think I do. Based on what I'm knowing about Q3 recently in hiring, I would have to agree. It's- I relate AI similar to the big cloud push. 'Cause you know there's companies that's going back at least, not all the way on-prem, but they definitely moving back on-prem because they wanna save some money. [00:55:41] HD: 'Cause they thought moving to the cloud was supposed to be so cheaper for them, until they realized it wasn't. Same thing with AI. Okay, we're relying on AI to work as if it's people or that, or you know, the selling points is, hey, you don't gotta worry about them taking a break or all this other stuff and, [00:56:00] um, pretty much they don't stop. [00:56:04] HD: Yeah, it sure don't stop, but that, that price, it don't stop either. [00:56:07] sounddrop: Mm-hmm. [00:56:08] HD: So where you thought you were saving money, and like you said, 'cause even in my tools to use AI in content creation have doubled in price. So imagine what companies are seeing when they're like- [00:56:19] cybershortieee: Well, I do think there's definitely a price thing, a token thing. [00:56:22] cybershortieee: I think, I, we still haven't figured that out. We still haven't figured out... We don't even know how much it costs to run a prompt. You know what I mean? Like, it's still very ambiguous and unclear for everybody. It's n- it's not even just, um, the big folks, the big dogs. Even us with this new, with the new, was it the Fable model? [00:56:46] cybershortieee: When they gave, they gave you some, uh, free, um, credits or tokens. Mm-hmm. And then you just kinda had to see if it was gonna last or how much it was gonna suck up when you ran your next prompt. So I think it'll be interesting to see over the [00:57:00] next few years how we better understand the cost of these prompts and the things that we're trying to do. [00:57:08] HD: Yeah, and I think if it was helping them make more money, they probably wouldn't care. But if it's not directly contributing to them to make more revenue- [00:57:16] cybershortieee: And it's, most times it's to help you do something. [00:57:20] HD: And you have to think about this too, you can't blindly... When he was talking about the AI, let's literally just go back to the Snapchat AI. [00:57:27] HD: It doesn't understand context that this was a joke. It one and zeroed it and said, "Oh, this is a threat. Go get 'em." [00:57:34] sounddrop: Mm-hmm. [00:57:36] HD: That AI has to be QA'd. You can't just rely on it to ma- say it's doing the right work. You have to verify that the work is real, is good. And it's with all different type of... Like, there are gonna be pretty much probably, I haven't seen it, but I might type it in right now while doing this. [00:57:52] HD: Um, let me see. AI QA roles. [00:57:58] HD: Yeah, so I [00:58:00] don't know how true this is, but it's like ZipRecruiter showed me like, uh, 27 through $57 an hour AI QA jobs in Dallas, right? 'Cause they gonna have to verify all this stuff, and that's separate from the other QA. I'm actually [00:58:13] cybershortieee: gonna, I'm gonna recommend that, recommend that to a friend who I know previously did a QA role. [00:58:18] HD: Let's see, AI solutions QA analyst. I'm reading this job role for y'all guys. This is real time. Let's see. It's a company called McDermott, Will & Shult. So this seem like it might be a law firm. Yes, it is a law firm. Uh, it's a global law firm that brings together more than 1,700 plus lawyers and 1,400 business professionals. [00:58:36] HD: Uh, so the job description is McDermott, Will & Shult is building one of the most ambitious AI programs in the legal industry, and quality, they even wrote the job description with AI. They got the em dashes in here. As we deploy AI power solutions across legal practices and operational teams, we need someone who can own the full quality life cycle from unit test and edge cases through system testing, performance, and [00:59:00] CI/CD pipeline integration. [00:59:01] HD: The AI solutions QA analyst partners directly with our analysts and engineering teams to ensure every solution we ship is tested, reliable, and production ready, leveraging AI to do it faster. So what you'll do, you own the QA life cycle, partner with analysts, work with the engineering team to define and integrate automated test

suites into the Azure DevOps CI/CD pipeline, define system le- uh, level test strategies, coordinate it with security team, evaluate AI solutions. [00:59:29] HD: And so what they want people to have is like four years of formal QA experience, including writing and then executing test scripts, strong experience with unit integration, hands-on experience with integrating test suites into CI/CD, AI fluency, and yada, yada, yada. Let's see what it pay. They want somebody who got a bachelor's in computer science, information systems, engineering, or equivalent experience, and it's paying 93K to 142,000. [00:59:56] cybershortieee: Okay. [00:59:57] HD: So. [00:59:58] cybershortieee: Cute. [00:59:59] HD: It may be, [01:00:00] um, who knows? It may be easier than what it-- I'm pretty sure it's easier than what they described But yeah, so there is a lane for like everything, like I've been saying. So people can kinda get scared or they can adapt. [01:00:15] cybershortieee: If I was you, I would adapt. I wouldn't let the fear overtake me. [01:00:21] cybershortieee: He, he, he, he, he ate down. [01:00:25] HD: Oh, man. Uh, let's see what some of these comments saying. Marquis says- [01:00:30] cybershortieee: Is this Marquis Marquis? [01:00:31] HD: Yep. [01:00:32] cybershortieee: Hey, what's good? [01:00:35] HD: Having a hybrid environment, uh, assures high availability. Having a proper failover procedure put in place could avoid 70% of the issues that happen. He said hi, by the way. And having cloud-only infrastructure is, uh, SPOF for more context. [01:00:53] cybershortieee: Yeah I'm, I'm there. I'm [01:00:58] HD: there. I believe SPOF, if I'm reading the [01:01:00] context, is single point of failure. [01:01:01] cybershortieee: Yes. [01:01:03] HD: I know you know, you Miss Cloud- You know. You know ... and everything. I gotta use... But they not teaching the kids no more context clues. [01:01:08] cybershortieee: They're not. [01:01:10] HD: So it's called reading comprehension. [01:01:12] cybershortieee: Which is so frustrating. [01:01:14] cybershortieee: Please, did you look? Mm-hmm. If... Just like if your mom gonna say, "Look on the dresser," it might not be on the dresser. You might need to look near the dresser. But [01:01:21] HD: see, I don't like that, 'cause y'all are bad- ... at giving directions. Look where? Where do you want me to look? [01:01:28] cybershortieee: In all the spots they can be looked at. [01:01:29] HD: Tell me to make, take five steps and look down to my left. It should be right there. Don't tell me that, and then it's not where you told me to go look. [01:01:35] cybershortieee: You gotta use your context clues there. [01:01:37] HD: Or just tell me to search everywhere. [01:01:39] cybershortieee: Yeah, me. I don't know, somewhere in there. [01:01:42] HD: Mm-hmm. Um, I think... Let me see what else. [01:01:46] HD: Since we on, uh... Oh, this one's pretty good. This is for the people that say, "Just lie on your resume, they don't check nothing," and all the other stuff. And I can tell you from experience, they check a lot. They check a lot of what you put on there. [01:02:00] But let's, let's do this, Johnny. Why you keep on laughing at me saying that? [01:02:06] cybershortieee: 'Cause it's funny. [01:02:09] HD: Here we go [01:02:13] HD: I wanna make this beat fast [01:02:17] HD: Is he showing stuff on the thing? [01:02:18] sounddrop: I lied on a work background check to see what would happen, and here's what the company saw. I tried a fake degree saying I had a JD from Yale. I tried a closed down company. I was indeed a manager at RadioShack, and I tried to claim my own consulting company that I wouldn't like them to contact because I'm still there. [01:02:30] sounddrop: Just as a reminder, I'm an active director of recruiting who still hires people today and still runs checks like this constantly. If getting insight from somebody who's actually working on the inside and trying to bring information back to help you understand it more is helpful, you should be following me. [01:02:40] sounddrop: There are all kinds of options of what you wanna add. Each of these with separate costs, everything from credit check, to education, to employment verification, driving records, drug tests. You can add anything to this. Notice as a job seeker how many companies are automatically in here. It's just their records are automated, including Spirit Airlines, for all the just say you worked at Spirit Airlines people. [01:02:54] sounddrop: But it was not long before I started getting emails about problems with the background check and needing my help. When they were not able to find me in the systems, [01:03:00] they asked me to upload some documentation, and I gave them an excuse why I didn't have the documentation for these because I'm lying. But if you actually did work somewhere and they're having trouble proving it, this is how you will have the chance to combat that. [01:03:09] sounddrop: Same thing happened with my degree. They were not able to verify me through the National Student Clearinghouse, which only takes a few minutes when a degree is real. They asked me for copies of it, and I told them I'd have to try and find it, but I don't have it right at the moment. And you can see what the employer sees each step of the way. [01:03:21] sounddrop: They are updated step by step. They see what I typed in. At the very end, the employer and myself are both going to receive a copy of this report. They said he had a gym in New York. But you can see this is not an automatic pass or fail system. This is something that then shows the company anything they may wanna dig further into. [01:03:31] sounddrop: So if you are someone who sits there and says, "Good luck proving that I didn't work there," they don't have to. You have to prove you did, and when they can't verify it, they will ask you for the proof. This isn't corporate propaganda or whatever weird things you wanna

write in the comments. This is what the majority of office roles do in the United States. [01:03:46] sounddrop: And even if you have an anecdote that says they don't do it, they do. So when I say you are likely to get caught lying about things like your education or working at a company, you can listen or you can not listen. You can argue with yourselves in the comments, but this is a real background check. This is what they see, and this is what happens [01:03:59] HD: Anyways, [01:04:00] um, but no, I thought that was pretty cool because- [01:04:04] cybershortieee: Why is you lying like that? [01:04:06] HD: You know- [01:04:07] cybershortieee: And, and you think they ain't gonna find out. Like, the fact that people think that you finna make all these hundreds of thousands of dollars, and these people not gonna do their due diligence to figure out if you actually went to that school, if you actually graduated, if you actually worked at these places you said you worked at. [01:04:24] HD: But you know what I want the cue when you said, "Why you lying?" [01:04:26] cybershortieee: What? [01:04:27] HD: Why you always lying? Lying. Why [01:04:30] cybershortieee: you always lying? [01:04:31] HD: Was that Vine? [01:04:32] cybershortieee: Oh, my God. Yeah. [01:04:34] HD: And then I think he made a longer version. But in all seriousness, I've worked at some companies that had some extensive background checks. I would say my first job ever I had to get a security clearance where they was like, "Hey, let us know where you, uh, lived the last seven years. [01:04:48] HD: We need two people that you've known for X amount of years," like, all that type of stuff, and they were going through everything. Then Goldman Sachs was super in detail. Like- [01:04:57] cybershortieee: I've had some, some pretty lengthy ones, and [01:05:00] luckily n- all of my stuff has come back and I... It's why it's important for you to keep all that information and try to be as accurate as possible so that you're not lying about start date, end date, that type of stuff. [01:05:11] cybershortieee: 'Cause you, even you saying, yeah, you worked there, but really you only worked there for 30 days. [01:05:15] HD: Well, no, no, no. True. You can put, uh... I'ma show y'all how to finesse. So what you can do is- I, I help people embellish a little bit on their resumes 'cause they wanna put the months with the year. [01:05:33] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:05:34] HD: Sometimes that make you have less experience, so we just rock with the years. [01:05:38] HD: Now I say when it comes to your job verification or the background, like when you're... If you get the offer- Yeah, 'cause, 'cause- ... you put the real dates there ... [01:05:43] cybershortieee: no, that's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. [01:05:45] HD: Yeah, you put the real dates there. [01:05:46] cybershortieee: That's exactly what I'm saying. You got to tell... Because it's, you don't want that to be the reason, man. [01:05:52] cybershortieee: It's hard enough to find a job. It's hard enough to make it all the way to get a background check. And when you do get it and you're, you know, you [01:06:00] feel that excitement, you about to have a job. If you pass the background check, just don't, don't ruin it. Don't ruin it. [01:06:05] HD: Mm-hmm. [01:06:06] cybershortieee: And I'm Cyber Shorty. [01:06:08] HD: I'm gonna keep on doing the pod. [01:06:09] HD: Uh, actually, we got a, we got a question directly for you, and I'm gonna get back to the other chats. But, um, Bill Monte says, "Love the pod, guys. This is for Cyber Shorty. I know you passed the SC-200 and SC-100, especially the latter's no joke. I plan to take the AZ-500 end of this week. Any tips for the Microsoft exams?" [01:06:29] cybershortieee: Um, find a good, um, find a good course to go with the content that they already have that has their exam objectives. I really like Udemy. Um, I typically go for who has the most reviews and who has, uh, most recent reviews for those. But that would be my advice. Um, if you're doing like a s- like a 900 level, I would say MeasureUp, but for anything that's outside of 900 level, I do not recommend MeasureUp.[01:07:00] [01:07:00] cybershortieee: I recommend that you do, um, a course with someone on Udemy because they have better practice exams in my experience. Like, I took some practice exams where I was like, "Okay, this definitely gave me a better feel for what the exam was going to be like." So I guess that would kinda be my advice. [01:07:18] HD: Yeah. I would say a good mix is, like you said, Udemy and Whiz Labs. [01:07:24] cybershortieee: Whiz Labs? [01:07:25] HD: Mm-hmm. [01:07:25] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:07:26] HD: And let me see. Um, I spelled this name wrong. It's Scott Duffy, D-U-F-F-Y. [01:07:30] cybershortieee: I can pull up my Ude- my, um, Udemy to tell you some of the folks that I took. [01:07:35] HD: Let me see. Hopefully it don't start playing in y'all ear. I'm trying to just, uh- [01:07:39] cybershortieee: I ain't used it in a while, but hold on. Finna pull it up. [01:07:44] cybershortieee: But yeah, that SC-100, 200, I could do that. The 100 was... She was rough. And I'll, I'll leave it at that [01:07:54] HD: All right. So, uh, while you're searching for that, Marquis says, "Speaking of AI, context- I mean, speaking of context [01:08:00] clues, I wanna ask, do you think using AI makes humans lose their context clues because they're relying on AI too much?" It makes the younger ones do it- Yes ... 'cause that's what they rely on. Uh, for us, we were taught how to think, and I think this is why we the generation that's not full of no BS because of how we were taught and what we do, uh, with everything when it comes to technology or anything you say. [01:08:23] HD: Speaking of, like, when I tell you it's been crazy, you know, they've been saying about the vaccines and all the other stuff, and I wanna see if I can sue

Goldman Sachs 'cause I- they made me come into office faster and I had to get the vaccine to go to work, and I didn't want to get the vaccine. I purposely didn't get it till 2022, and I probably never was gonna go get it, to be totally honest. [01:08:44] HD: 'Cause I did my pros and cons and I weighed out if I get it, nine times out of 10, it's gonna be just like the flu. [01:08:52] cybershortieee: Was you right? Did you get it? [01:08:53] HD: I ended up getting it 'cause I was directly exposed to a lot of people that had it at an event for my grandma. The whole family had it. [01:08:59] cybershortieee: Ugh. [01:08:59] HD: Like, think about it. [01:08:59] HD: It was [01:09:00] so funny. I got the, I got the vid going to, um, Ohio for my work trip for JPMC, and I ended up getting, my team's sick. [01:09:10] cybershortieee: You know what, you know what's crazy is a lot of people got COVID during work trips. A lot of people. But [01:09:15] HD: I got it before the work trip and took it on the plane and took it to work. [01:09:19] cybershortieee: And took it on the plane is insane. [01:09:21] HD: Like, I couldn't even go back to the office. I just was in the hotel that's covered. I'm talking about I'm ordering Uber Eats, like, directly down to the hotel. "Hey, bring me..." I think I told them, "Bring me a whole bunch of water. Bring me this, bring me that." Like, I was, like, going through it. [01:09:34] cybershortieee: Okay. Why can't I find my courses that I paid for on here? I feel crazy. I [01:09:38] HD: don't know. But I just put them, the guy that I like, Scott Duffy, um- [01:09:41] cybershortieee: Scott's good. I like John Christopher. [01:09:43] HD: You talking about, um... I think I know who you're talking about. I think I had him too. [01:09:46] cybershortieee: And there was one more person. Hold on. [01:09:49] HD: Yeah, that and Wiz Labs, um- I'm cool, but let's see. While she waits, let me see. So let me- [01:09:56] cybershortieee: Christopher Nett is also good as well, and Alan [01:10:00] Rodriguez. So hopefully all of those lovely names, you can find them on Udemy. They have like $10, $11, $13 courses. They're, they're pretty affordable. [01:10:09] HD: You know what? We should've talked about this after the money segment. [01:10:12] HD: I think this was pretty good because this was pretty rare. So let me, let me get this real quick. Let me speed up the tempo [01:10:21] HD: Oh, speaking of, do y'all, um, you and bae planning to go see Spider-Man? [01:10:25] cybershortieee: No. [01:10:26] HD: Y'all don't like Spider-Man? [01:10:27] cybershortieee: She not really a movie person like that. I'll probably go see it though. [01:10:32] HD: Yeah, I might go next week. Okay, so this is one. Background is, as you see, she said she was earning 35,000 more than the man who trained her. [01:10:41] HD: So let's make her go fast. Wait. [01:10:44] cybershortieee: Huh? [01:10:44] HD: That's what it say. You don't see it? [01:10:50] sounddrop: I actually love Was earning $35,000 less than what I was. One day he comes up to me and he's like, "Me and some of the other people who have the same position as us are gonna be getting together to talk about our annual reviews [01:11:00] and how we can ask for a raise. Do you feel comfortable being a part of the conversation?" [01:11:03] sounddrop: And the thing about me is I always feel comfortable talking about money. So I was like, "Absolutely." In the back of my mind I'm like, "There is no way that a man is going to be making more money than me." I'm actually already going through the different things that I'm gonna say to my manager once I find out how much they're making. [01:11:15] sounddrop: Well, I get to the meeting and it's four men, two white guys, one Chinese man, the one that trained me, and a Colombian man, and one by one each of them go and they share how much money they're making, and my jaw dropped. In fact, I was like, "Uh, maybe I should not be a part of this conversation because this is not what I expected." [01:11:30] sounddrop: The Colombian man went first and he shared how much he was earning, and it was $25,000 less than what I was earning. Then the Chinese man went, and he was earning $35,000 less than what I was earning. And the other two guys shared, and they were each earning 25,000 and $30,000 less than what I was earning. And then it was my turn, and I paused and thought to myself- I hope she lied [01:11:49] sounddrop: maybe I should just tell them a little bit less so that they don't feel bad. But I wanted to be honest because that's what we all agreed to, and I told them how much I was earning, and all of their jaws literally dropped. And they were like, "Uh, is [01:12:00] that with your bonus?" "No, without my bonus." But here is the one thing that all of these men had in common. [01:12:05] sounddrop: Each and every one of them started working at the company straight out of college, never left the company. They never went to any of the competitors to see how much money other people were getting paid for that role. This is a huge mistake that a lot of people make. Instead, what you should be doing is jumping around from company to company every two years. [01:12:19] sounddrop: Studies show that those who do that have an opportunity to increase their income each time significantly more than what they would've if they had stayed in the same company year over year. So don't get flattered when a company says that they wanna keep you. Remember that it's actually costing you a lot more to stay. [01:12:33] HD: So she did end up saying that she helped them people all get paid more. Um- [01:12:38] cybershortieee: That's why they don't want you talking about that salary, uh, transparency at work. That's exactly why. [01:12:43] HD: Yeah. Um, but no, so you find this out like with people from different ethnic backgrounds, they're willing to take less is, is, is the reason why sometimes you don't get jobs 'cause

they'll take less. [01:12:53] HD: But this is the thing where if you stay somewhere too long you don't know what's on the market. [01:12:58] cybershortieee: Oh, I agree with you 1,000%. [01:13:00] [01:13:00] HD: A new person typically will make more [01:13:03] sounddrop: than [01:13:04] HD: a, um... Hang on, I'm finna put it on real quick. Than someone, [01:13:06] cybershortieee: than someone that's been there for a while, and that does make it a little bit more, um, it does make it a little bit more challenging as well. [01:13:14] cybershortieee: I caught it last time. It does make it a little bit more challenging though. Um, I don't even remember what I was saying 'cause that tickled me. [01:13:26] HD: Always being sneaky. But, um, yeah, that's why I tell people, uh, so earlier, I was talking about in your earlier your, your career you can hop around, but that's why I always just tell you to stay interviewing. [01:13:34] HD: If you ain't interviewing, let's say for instance, and these are, these people are making... Let's say she was making 150,000 and these peoples making 110, 115. Well, they've just been there a long time, they be getting incremental raises- [01:13:47] cybershortieee: Yep ... [01:13:48] HD: versus had they been interviewing, they say, "Oh, somebody will pay me 165, 170 for this." [01:13:53] HD: And that's when you start interviewing and you could say, "Hey, I really like here, could y'all match this?" But- [01:14:00] [01:14:00] cybershortieee: Some people wait until it's, until they're not with the company, and then they start that interview process, and then they realize how long they've been, quote, unquote- [01:14:08] HD: Underpaid ... [01:14:09] cybershortieee: literally. [01:14:10] HD: Yeah. [01:14:10] cybershortieee: Liter- and I mean by 100,000. [01:14:13] HD: Now, I will say there are some instances where, like, like I s- I, I said I think a couple times on the podcast how Costco, your medical benefits is like $20 [01:14:22] cybershortieee: biweekly. Mm-hmm. [01:14:23] HD: You can't beat that. [01:14:24] cybershortieee: With Costco? [01:14:24] HD: Yeah. [01:14:25] cybershortieee: Like the employer? [01:14:26] HD: Any, any, whether you working in the store or corporate. [01:14:28] cybershortieee: Oh, yeah. [01:14:28] HD: And then I think to add your family might be an extra 20 bucks. You can't beat that. Only way you beat that is if it, the, um, employer's just paying for all your, your stuff. [01:14:36] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:14:36] HD: Which there are companies that do that as well. But for the most part, I always tell people... Now, I know y'all gonna say, "You a hypocrite 'cause you just told people don't chase the money." [01:14:45] HD: I would say as far as, like, your long term to have skills to make more money, however, the money that you could've... Like, a lot of times people are betting on they can go make the money later and sometimes it's not there. So you do wanna take the money,

'cause that's why I used to, like, go back and forth with [01:15:00] my mom about, 'cause she's a, a almost a Boomer, but she's Gen X 'cause she born in '68. [01:15:05] HD: And so we would talk about that. "You need to show loyalty," and this and that. No, I don't. Even though I will tell you what's happening, too, to some people in the job search right now is companies are looking at if you had long stints or short stints, 'cause they trying to see who they wanna invest in. So if you are a, what's the word when you do stuff all the time? [01:15:25] HD: I, I- A serial job hopper. There we go ... [01:15:27] cybershortieee: I know, I know for... I have friends who have told me in interviews that, that their job hopping has caused them to not get jobs be- and that's been said to them. "Well, we're just not sure if you're gonna stay because based on your history we see," blah, blah, blah. [01:15:42] HD: Yeah. No, for sure, and that's what I'm saying. [01:15:44] HD: So you gotta be a little measured in your approach or learn how to work C2C, and we, we got something coming up on that C2C topic pretty soon. 'Cause everybody out here acting like they showing you how to work C2C for real, but they just lying. They, they putting stuff in AI and making videos on [01:16:00] it. [01:16:00] cybershortieee: Shout out to Big J. [01:16:03] HD: Yeah, I gotta get her a drop 'cause she be saying a whole bunch of funny stuff, so I gotta get her a drop. Um, I think since we're still in the job market, let me do this last one and I'll let us get back into the articles 'cause it was with, uh, your boy, what's his name? DeAndre [01:16:18] HD: That's his name [01:16:19] sounddrop: In today's job market, you need to be doing the 75/25 rule, okay? In 2021, I would've told you that you're not getting interviews because your resume sucks. But in 2026, your resume can be in pristine condition, and in pas- and in fact, with AI, it's impossible for it not to be, right? But you need to be doing the 75/25 rule nowadays, which means that 75% of your time is spent applying to jobs online. [01:16:47] sounddrop: But nowadays, applying to jobs just isn't enough, and that's when the 25% comes in, where it comes to that networking and building the relationships with people at different corporations. And not even people at corporations, but people that, I don't know, [01:17:00] alumni from the college you went to or organizations that you're a part of. [01:17:03] sounddrop: You really have to put the word out there and advocate for yourself like never before that you are looking for another job. Even if that, in your, it may be cringey or embarrassing to you, that's what you have to do in today's, in today's market. [01:17:14] HD: You actually always had to do that. And this is kind of, this is one of my gripes I had with him as... [01:17:21] HD: He was f- he's fairly young, and he came out being an influencer about his corporate. So I was like, "You really haven't been there long enough and you're giving all this advice." It's always been about, it actually should be 25 applying, 75 the other stuff. [01:17:34] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:17:35] HD: You need to go make the first move, 'cause now with ATS, it's messed up. [01:17:40] cybershortieee: You gotta be pretty aggressive and direct and [01:17:43] HD: upfront. Well, I'll say it's really, I... You know what? I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna keep it a bean with you. Workday is the, the main one that I have issues with when I've applied. All other type of like Greenhouse, ADP, them and that, way faster to just get results from a resume. [01:17:56] cybershortieee: Yeah. I, if I- [01:17:57] HD: It's Workday and the AI biases ... [01:17:59] cybershortieee: if [01:18:00] I ever saw Workday, please. No, thank you. [01:18:08] HD: Um, what's your, uh, next title? [01:18:12] cybershortieee: Um, maybe ShinyHunters. Okay. ShinyHunters hits Brinks Home. The extortion crew ShinyHunters is claiming they breached, they breached Brinks Home. Yes, the home security company. Brinks confirmed hackers got into some of their systems and are now threatening to leak what they say, or excuse me, and are now threatening to leak what they took. [01:18:36] cybershortieee: And the crew is bragging allegedly more than 4.9 million records with personal info. But the part that you really want to understand are, is that these numbers are the hackers' claims. Brinks hasn't confirmed the full scope, and reporters haven't verified them, so we say allegedly. Now, how did they get in? [01:18:55] cybershortieee: Not with some super cool keyboard. Um, they used a vishing attack. [01:19:00] A vishing attack. Vishing is voice phishing, which means that the hacker literally picked up the phone, called an employee, and smooth talked them into completing a Microsoft login step. That's it. No malware, no zero-day exploit, a convincing phone call that handed over the keys. [01:19:17] cybershortieee: A security company taken down by a phone call. That's the whole lesson, point-blank, period. The human is the front door, and that's why it's important. Everybody say they don't have time to do annual security training. Everybody that, "We don't have time. We don't have time. We don't know how." Okay. Yeah. Don't. [01:19:35] HD: Yeah. And, um, let me see. Let me put it on me real quick. So, uh, for my notes, what I'm knowing is happening is, um, MFA fatigue was involved with this, and this is how Uber got breached, um, a couple of years ago. [01:19:51] cybershortieee: What is MFA fatigue again? [01:19:53] HD: So if somebody knows your password, they are constantly successfully logging in and you're getting a push to your phone.[01:20:00] [01:20:00] HD: So let's keep on going to push to your phone And sometimes people eventually get tired of it and they accept it or do it by accident. In this case, it said they got them to manually do it, um, through IT, which I think is just bad protocol, because why would

somebody call you in to approve something for me? [01:20:19] HD: That's stupid. Secondly, I've been wanting identity rules to be built out better to say, "Hey, if we have this many successful logons, but with this many, uh, failed push or successful logons with a push, lock the account." [01:20:33] cybershortieee: They should've been definitely deemed as a high-risk user. [01:20:35] HD: Lock the account. On top of that, hey, why don't they have conditional access? [01:20:39] HD: Mm-hmm. So even if they do that, they shouldn't be able to access anything. Now it said they got what? Pretty much like close to like 5 million Salesforce records. [01:20:46] cybershortieee: Or almost. [01:20:47] HD: 1.1 million- Yeah ... customer contact entries, 3.8 million customer support chat logs from Brinks. That Brinks one's gonna be interesting. [01:20:54] HD: 4,000 employee PII entries. Like, they [01:21:00] should just hang it up. [01:21:00] cybershortieee: No, like- [01:21:02] HD: Did we do something on Brinskin, uh, breach, or was it ADT? [01:21:05] cybershortieee: I don't know. Something, I don't, either one of them. One of them. [01:21:12] HD: Uh, let's see, what else? Then Insignia Hunters has shifted focus heavily towards cloud SaaS platforms, Salesforce, Canvas, Udemy, rather than raw internal networks. [01:21:23] HD: So if you're a consumer who bought a smart lock integrated with Brinks Home, how comfortable do you feel knowing attackers have 3.8 million support chat transcripts detailing customers' home setup issues? [01:21:34] cybershortieee: Yeah, so go on and reset your little code. [01:21:37] HD: Not your little code. [01:21:40] cybershortieee: For real. That's scary. I mean, it's all scary. [01:21:45] HD: Yeah. Um, so one of the ones I had that I thought was, um, interesting was the Hunters did this thing about after the break-in and they pretty much had a playbook for what the intruders are doing [01:22:00] Hang on one second [01:22:06] HD: See, that's what I'm saying [01:22:07] HD: All right, we are back. So, um, after the break-in, Huntress unpacks modern intruder playbook. And here we go. Ch-ch-ch-ch. [01:22:21] HD: So the hackers immediately deploy a ransomware when they break in? Not really. Here's the exact step-by-step bluepoint, blueprint of how an attacker settle into a live web server The attacker gained access to a Windows machine running Microsoft SQL Server through a classic unvalidated input vulnerability, SQL injection, on a hosted web application. [01:22:42] HD: The post-exploitation playbook. The reconnaissance, they ran a built-in Windows command, net start tasklist, to list active services and sent the telemetry to an external command and control server. For persistence, they enabled remote desktop protocol, created a new local user account, and [01:23:00] added it directly to the local admin group. [01:23:02] HD: For defense evasion, they discovered and manually disabled Windows Defender while disguising malicious files as hidden system read-only objects. And for weaponization and monetization, installed bad ISS modules to hijack web traffic for search engines, redirect fraud, and deployed XMrig cryptocurrency miner running as an auto-starting Windows service. [01:23:29] HD: And, um, so the living off the land, attackers don't bring heavy custom malware initially. They use native Windows binaries, PowerShell, net.exe, RDP to blend in with legitimate sysadmin activity. So for root cause and remediation, wiping the crypto miner and deleting the rogue admin account without fixing the original SQL injection flaw means the attacker can walk right back in through the same front door. [01:23:55] HD: So why are companies spending millions on shiny AI endpoint detection tools when [01:24:00] attackers are still getting in through basic SQL injection bugs that we know how to fix since 1998? The world may never know. [01:24:08] cybershortieee: I guess we'll never know. Is that a song? [01:24:11] HD: It comes from... Do you remember the Tootsie Pop commercials? [01:24:14] cybershortieee: Yeah. " [01:24:15] HD: Mr. Owl, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?" I guess we'll never know. So sometimes he'll say, "Let's find out," and then he'll say, "The world may never know." Um. [01:24:25] cybershortieee: Wow, those really used to be popular commercials. [01:24:27] HD: Yeah. [01:24:28] cybershortieee: I mean, people need the tools. It's the detections and the configurations that could use improvement. [01:24:34] HD: Yeah. Respectfully. I mean, think about it. [01:24:35] cybershortieee: That's why there will always be job security, guys. [01:24:39] HD: Mm-hmm. And I'm talking about in big companies, infrastructure ain't as what you've seen, what it seems. It's, they need help. So I'm just telling you that. Did you want to touch the Australia social ban? [01:24:52] cybershortieee: Let's get it, shout it. [01:24:53] cybershortieee: Okay. Australia teen social media ban versus reality. [01:25:00] Remember the world's first law Australia passed banning under 16s from social media. Three months in, the report card is out, and their own internet regulator found that more than eight in 10 Aussie teens are still on the platforms. 88-plus percent, the ban is on the books, the kids are still logged in Now the government is not backing down. [01:25:24] cybershortieee: Their minister basically said, "Look, we never expected 100% compliance. We don't need, we don't even get that with drinking age laws, but we still put them on the books." A million of accounts were shut down, so the debate isn't did it fail, it's what does a win even look like when the internet is woven into a kid's hos- whole life? [01:25:45] cybershortieee: Now because there's a real cybersecurity nugget kind of buried here, it's really that age verification issue. We've talked about it time and time and time again. Um, to keep a 15-year-old out, a platform has to know everyone's

age, which means collecting more personal information on [01:26:00] everybody, including adults. [01:26:01] cybershortieee: Um, so you're trading a child's safety goal against a privacy cause for the whole population, which brings about a lot of tension, um, obviously rightfully so. Um, and this is exactly why just ban it is so much easier to say than it is to actually kind of enforce and put into play. Um- [01:26:23] cybershortieee: A million accounts is still a lot. So just like they said, we knew it wasn't gonna be 100% compliance, but that doesn't mean that we're still not going to mandate it or try to still have some control over it. I'm not mad at it. Somebody has to do something, because the poor kids these days can't even write a paper. [01:26:41] cybershortieee: Truly. We was raw dogging papers, [01:26:45] sounddrop: research papers, [01:26:46] cybershortieee: 10-page papers with 24, 48 hours before it was due. [01:26:50] HD: Pen and pencil. [01:26:51] cybershortieee: And, and your book, and how to s- uh, and your, uh... What was that book called? [01:26:57] HD: Which one? [01:26:58] cybershortieee: The w- it was a citation book, but it [01:27:00] didn't became a cite. Citation machine or something. [01:27:02] HD: I don't know. [01:27:03] cybershortieee: That you used to be able to plug your stuff in [01:27:05] HD: and- See, I don't know about that. [01:27:05] HD: I just know back then I had, at home, we had this thick red dictionary. Back in the day, like... Is anybody in the chat, did your parents tell you, "Look it up, you'll remember it longer"? [01:27:15] cybershortieee: My mom for sure. [01:27:16] HD: That's really- [01:27:17] cybershortieee: And then, and then you used to... We need to do that more. But see, the kids are looking it up like this. [01:27:21] cybershortieee: He AA [01:27:22] sounddrop: down. ' [01:27:25] HD: Cause for real, that- [01:27:26] cybershortieee: They looking it up like [01:27:26] HD: this ... 'cause it's really true, though. [01:27:28] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:27:28] HD: If you look it up, you'll remember longer. [01:27:29] cybershortieee: But you, but even if you look it up on your phone, you still gonna remember it. [01:27:33] HD: Yeah. But I'm saying it's still looking it up. It is. That's the whole point. [01:27:35] cybershortieee: Yeah. Did y'all have, in your house, obviously you said y'all had a dictionary. [01:27:39] cybershortieee: Did y'all have, um, an encyclopedia, thesaurus? [01:27:42] HD: I think so. I think we had a, a thesaurus, and I think we- [01:27:45] cybershortieee: My grandparents had an encyclopedia. [01:27:46] HD: When you, when you just said that to me, that made me think of a freaking almanac. [01:27:50] cybershortieee: It's... What is the difference? Let me look [01:27:52] HD: them up. I think almanac is just telling you about stuff that's happening in the world. [01:27:57] cybershortieee: I don't know[01:28:00] [01:28:01] HD: Yeah, the almanac is a yearly book or resource that gives a calendar of the year along with facts about nature, science, and the world. Yeah, so it's like a yearbook for the world. That's what a, that's what a almanac is. [01:28:13] cybershortieee: Okay. Let's see. Ha ha ha. Dictionary defines words, pronunciation, spelling, usage. [01:28:20] cybershortieee: Thesaurus gives synonyms and antonyms to help you choose different words. I used to eat that thesaurus up big time. Um, encyclopedia explains topics, peoples, places, events, and concepts in depth. And then like he said, an almanac provides facts, statistics, calendars, records, and yearly reference information. [01:28:39] cybershortieee: So we should start collecting almanacs, huh? 'Cause, yeah So an almanac, for example, could list Texas population, state birds, the governor, the average rainfall. Encyclopedia would explain Texas history, geography, economy, culture, major cities, government. [01:29:00] Yeah. I think I might go, go get me one from Barnes & Noble. [01:29:06] HD: Hold on. Hey, you ever seen that, um, that TikTok where it say, "Yeah, we at Barnes & Nobles"? [01:29:12] cybershortieee: No. Who's... [01:29:14] HD: Let me see if I can find it. It's, um, it's like some Black guys. They was, they went out and bought, like, a lot of books. It's actually funny. Um- [01:29:25] HD: I'm dead fresh content [01:29:28] cybershortieee: Okay, Easy. I ain't seen you in the house in a while [01:29:36] HD: Nigga, you know what I mean? Everything. Yo, fuck this book, nigga. Oh, my God. All the rage, nigga. We got rage, nigga. We in the streets. Hold up. It's a softback anyway. Money ain't even hurt me. When was the last time you took a cigarette burn, nigga? You're not a real nigga. Every day. You draw comic strips, nigga. [01:29:49] HD: Yo, drawing strips is- But we on the strip, nigga. Real niggas don't write books, man. Let me see you do some real nigga shit. Dunk a basketball, nigga. We ain't know what a bookstore was, nigga. Right here. [01:29:59] HD: He sound like [01:30:00] Thugnificent. [01:30:00] cybershortieee: Somebody said Britan- Britannica. [01:30:02] HD: Yeah, Britannica. I remember that. Uh That's my guy, Prince Markie, the Bear Share. Oh, I'm so stupid. I'm trying to share the, the, the comment and I was on the live. We had the Britannica and all that growing up, and I remember when it went digital and I had the Microsoft version but could never find the Africa edition. [01:30:24] HD: Qui- things that make you go, "Hmm." [01:30:25] HD: Yeah, the vertical dictionary is faster. That reminds me of like, that should be a fun task to do for kids. So like for my, for my churchgoers, when you were a child they used to do Bible drill. You should do dictionary drill. Give the kids a word, see who find it first. [01:30:40] cybershortieee: Yeah. And, and use it in a sentence. [01:30:42] HD: Mm-hmm. [01:30:43] cybershortieee: You gotta do cute little stuff like that with your babies. [01:30:46] HD: We

actually, um, played Headbands as a family last night with the kids. [01:30:51] cybershortieee: What is that? Is this this one? [01:30:52] HD: Yeah. Where you put the little- This? ... headbands on there. But they ha- they got the... It's a card game. That's like a board game. [01:30:57] cybershortieee: Oh, [01:30:57] HD: not the phone. [01:30:57] HD: But it's cool 'cause it'll force your kids to [01:31:00] like... Like, one of the things we work on when Natalie's supposed to be working on her speech is why she likes something, right? Or being descriptive. So it makes her have to describe what is on your head for you to guess it, and then- Like a dog [01:31:13] cybershortieee: or whatever [01:31:13] cybershortieee: with [01:31:13] HD: Zélie's speech, it makes her, forces her to talk better so we can understand what she's saying so we can guess it. So I thought that was pretty cool, and it was a good gamification way for them to actually gain some different skills versus what they doing over there now Um Who [01:31:31] cybershortieee: won? [01:31:32] HD: Nobody. One of we really didn't take score like that I think the last one I wanna do real quick is the Octa Dropster 200 mil [01:31:43] cybershortieee: Big Octa, not the little one [01:31:44] HD: Mm, big O [01:31:48] HD: Yeah, let me see. Ch-ch-ch-ch [01:31:53] HD: Go back to that real quick. Um, so pretty much, Okta spent 200 million to solve the newest nightmare in identity, [01:32:00] keeping rogue AI agents and machine identities from going off the rails. Hmm, so this aligns with kind of what we've been talking about. [01:32:05] sounddrop: Mm. [01:32:06] HD: Um, Okta agreed to acquire Palo Alto-based identity security startup Permisso Security in an almost all cash transaction valued at roughly $200 million. [01:32:15] HD: Permisso was founded by the former FireEye executives and specializes in identity threat detection and response. Instead of just checking credentials at the front door, Permisso monitors what users, service accounts, and autonomous AI agents do after they log in. Permisso recently launched Sandyclaw, a sandbox platform that evaluates AI agent behavior in real time to spot unauthorized lateral movement or priv escalation. [01:32:40] HD: I could see this being big. Remember we just were talking about the detections and how to implement the technology for the whole Hugging Face stuff. This is gonna come in clutch for stuff like that. Modern enterprise environments average over 250,000 non-human identities, API keys, service tokens, AI agents, outnumbering human [01:33:00] employees 45 to one. [01:33:02] HD: Traditional SSO only cares if the password MFA is correct. In an era of session hijacking and autonomous agents, identity providers must monitor continuous behavior inside the cloud. If Okta is spending 200 M specifically to track AI bot behavior, does that mean standard enterprise identity tools are completely blind to what AI agents are doing in our networks? [01:33:22] HD: That's a good point. That's a good point. [01:33:25] cybershortieee: I think we will see more tools created that are focusing on AI, uh, not AI, on agent management for sure. [01:33:36] HD: Yeah. Um, and then, you know, like you also got this stuff that's passwordless, so the conditional access is like, "Hey, do-" [01:33:43] cybershortieee: They, they'll typically probably tie together too. [01:33:45] HD: Yeah. It'll be like, "Hey, do you have the certain passwordless tool on your phone or on your thing?" So that's a extra layer, so it's not like... I know they just wanna make it plain, like it's a... Identity has gotten more complex outside of just password and [01:33:59] cybershortieee: SSO. [01:34:00] Oh, for [01:34:00] HD: sure. That's what I wanna tell people right now. [01:34:02] HD: Um, but if y'all still rocking with us right now, man, put a one in the chat. Um, let me see where we got. Oh, we gotta go back to the two thing real quick because we got a couple of more fun stuff for y'all. I think this was cool. It was about being likable in a corporate [01:34:28] cybershortieee: Is it important? [01:34:29] HD: Yeah. [01:34:31] cybershortieee: I agree [01:34:32] HD: One day I do, I do wanna do the panel I said I was gonna do with the ladies or- Ladies, ladies, [01:34:36] cybershortieee: ladies ... [01:34:37] HD: or, or both. I was gonna find, like, a panel of, uh, attractive men and women. And not being funny, I wanna do a study to see do attractive people- I know you're not [01:34:46] cybershortieee: being funny, but it's still funny ... [01:34:48] HD: do they get more opportunities than people that's less fortunate looking? [01:34:51] cybershortieee: How would you know? [01:34:53] HD: I mean, I remember in business class, the guy told us straight up, "Hey, like, if you think about them high-end stores, they try to hire nice-looking people to sell they [01:35:00] stuff." Yeah. So- [01:35:01] cybershortieee: You could be the most talented person in the building, but if leadership doesn't like you or respect you, you're out of here. Welcome to part three of my series about corporate rules that nobody taught me. My name is Kay, I work in HR, and I make content for women who want to learn the corporate game without having the corporate blueprint. [01:35:14] cybershortieee: Being likable at work is a big part of the corporate game, so let's just stop pretending that's not true. So hard work will get you in the door for sure, but social capital will secure the raise and secure your promotion. So being office fake is not about your morals or anything like that, it's about office diplomacy. [01:35:28] cybershortieee: It's smiling through a meeting that could've just been an email or remembering details about your manager's kids so that you can build rapport and gain leverage. Saying, "Mm, that's an interesting perspective," instead of saying, "That's the dumbest damn thing I've ever heard." It's about maintaining your

positioning as a person that people want to work with. [01:35:44] cybershortieee: So stop taking it personally. Just treat likability like a work deliverable. You do it from 9:00 to 5:00 to collect your check and to gain leverage, right? And then you turn it off and protect your peace when you go home. You have to master the social game so that you can secure the bag. Save this video, send it to a friend who knows you're fake at work, and follow this [01:36:00] page for more advice on navigating corporate America. [01:36:02] HD: Are you gonna send this to Destiny? [01:36:04] cybershortieee: Uh, maybe. I th- I agree with this though. I mean, I think it's important to be pleasant regardless of how you feel deep down inside. Nobody cares about how you feel deep down inside. Do what you gotta do to get the bag and go home. Rinse and repeat day after day until it's time to [01:36:20] HD: retire. [01:36:20] HD: Right. So he said 100% they do Bill says, "Being very fit and handsome," so I'm tight on that one, "probably has helped me be likable and more respected." [01:36:31] cybershortieee: Bill cutting up. [01:36:33] HD: No, 'cause when you think about it, like, people be slobs. No, [01:36:35] cybershortieee: it's, it's, it's... I'm telling you- I get- ... presentation is important. Presentation is important. [01:36:40] cybershortieee: Putting your best foot forward. Your, and effort. You can tell when people put effort in the way they look. [01:36:45] HD: If I go back to look, I think about my managers or who, or even if I go about, like, myself, whereas where my peers was, it's like, okay, I actually show up to work in person like I care, brush my teeth, get haircuts, wear decent [01:37:00] clothes, take care of my body to be in a decent shape. [01:37:02] cybershortieee: My mom told me this too, even with the work that she still does to this day. She works with some younger folks, and she comes to work a little bit more business casual than they do. Um, and she said that that correlates to her numbers, her metrics, her sales. [01:37:18] HD: I'm glad you said that, 'cause my brother, you know, he just started his first job this week, and I said, "Hey, go to, uh, the store and get you like some-" Oh, yeah [01:37:27] HD: business casual. Business casual [01:37:28] cybershortieee: clothes. [01:37:29] HD: But also, you can get them flexible so you don't feel like you're wearing church clothes. So like, get your little Cole Haan tennis shoes or whatever. [01:37:34] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:37:35] HD: But I was like, when you- the days you go in the office, come dressed like business casual, better than what everybody else gonna have on. [01:37:41] HD: It's gonna- They gonna [01:37:42] cybershortieee: remember that ... [01:37:42] HD: it's gonna make you appear to be more mature. [01:37:44] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. [01:37:45] HD: So, like, when I used to work at Target, I started working at Target when I was 19. People thought I was older than

what I was, 'cause I came there, even... And mind you, y'all, this is for $7.75. But I'm working hard. I'm not playing [01:38:00] around. [01:38:00] HD: I'm doing what I'm supposed to do, and people thought I was older than what I was. Like, no, I'm 19. And I remember, um, when I first, my stuff, my first job at Optiv, I came through with the, with the yellow polo. It was a, um, I got... I don't know if it was pastel. I gotta find a picture of that polo. I got it somewhere in my thing. [01:38:18] HD: But a polo, and I had the pleated khakis, and I had my shirt tucked in to the point that one of the managers, they said, "Oh, uh, prior military?" I was like, "No." I just came dressed. I didn't wanna overdo it, but I came decent. [01:38:29] cybershortieee: I, I also agree, too, with Bill on being fit. You can tell when somebody works out. [01:38:34] cybershortieee: People who work out and people who look fit give off I am disciplined. Um, because most of them are not naturally blessed with those bodies. They have to be disciplined to achieve, you know, that look. Yeah, or you can go to the table. I mean that, too, but, um, yeah. I think that either way, it, the presentation matters. [01:38:53] cybershortieee: That goes back to the bonnet conversation, goes back to the durags, it goes back to the pajamas- Yeah ... sagging, house [01:39:00] shoes. Presentation matters. [01:39:01] HD: Yeah. Um, let's see. Older Black lady at work- [01:39:03] cybershortieee: Even me, myself, if I'm finna go get my eyes looked at, for example, and one of y'all got on pajamas and slippers, I'm gonna go to the person that's dressed up. [01:39:13] HD: Um, he said older lady at work thought he was 25, but he really 38. 1738. [01:39:19] cybershortieee: I. [01:39:21] HD: Um, but no, going back to interviews, right? If I know I'm going to possibly talk to, like, the directors or management, I try to go get a haircut at least or look de- If I can't get it to, if I can't get to the barber, I go line my beard up, cut it down a little bit, make it look like I got a haircut, look presentable. [01:39:37] HD: I go throw on a white button-down, nothing that- It's not [01:39:39] sounddrop: hard [01:39:40] HD: to look professional ... nothing that's too crazy, right? Yeah. Either, like, a Oxford blue, dark blue, something like that. You know what I'm saying? To show 'em that I'm taking the role serious. I ain't wearing no suits no more. Ain't no reason for me go put no suit on and sit at the computer screen, but I do try to look at the optics and show that. [01:39:54] cybershortieee: You can, you can, you can give business casual virtually by how your top looks. [01:39:57] HD: And I'm here to tell you, oh, so also I'll, [01:40:00] I put on my blue lights, my blue lights, and you can still have a beard, just make it look maintained. [01:40:05] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:40:06] HD: Don't have it too crazy. You can let it get crazy once you get hired. That's what I'll say. [01:40:09] HD: If you wanna get your locks, get hired first, then get the locks I had one that long before [01:40:15] cybershortieee: The Boss, Rickie Ross [01:40:17] HD: I, I don't like my beard that long because, like, for example, I like eating wings, and, like, ranch and stuff get in your beard. [01:40:22] cybershortieee: Yeah, then you start having skin issues. [01:40:24] HD: Ugh. What's your favorite Rick Ross song? [01:40:28] cybershortieee: Um, Diced Pineapples. [01:40:30] HD: Really? Yeah. I got too many, man. I can start off with There He- [01:40:34] cybershortieee: I got, I got bananas, got orange, got a... [01:40:36] HD: There he go. That's John Doe. [01:40:38] cybershortieee: He got, he got some bangers. [01:40:39] HD: Hey, hoe. Bring [01:40:41] cybershortieee: back the grown and sexy, uh, Ashton Martin music vibes, [01:40:44] HD: please. Uh, he... I was listening to his q- his newest album. He had some... [01:40:47] HD: I hadn't finished it, but it sounded good. Uh, Black Market. He make, like... Rick Ross make music for you just closed a contract for a million dollars. You in a secluded island on a vacation with bae, [01:41:00] and you got a cigar, and you on a balcony smoking. [01:41:03] cybershortieee: And you 46. [01:41:04] HD: And you got room service bringing you whatever you want. [01:41:06] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:41:06] HD: That's what type of music he [01:41:08] cybershortieee: make. Crab legs. They got the crab legs. [01:41:11] HD: Oh, you can eat crab legs now. That's a blessing. My [01:41:14] cybershortieee: type of vibe. [01:41:15] HD: I don't really, like, um, listen to this guy's content. However, what he said was true when he was talking about these kids. It's all going back to childhood and why the parents gotta do a better job of raising them [01:41:31] cybershortieee: A lot of our generation comes from don't say nothing to my kids, and that's the problem. [01:41:35] HD: Mm-hmm. ' [01:41:37] cybershortieee: Cause a lot of people said something to us. [01:41:39] HD: Facts. Here we go. [01:41:40] sounddrop: Stop it with this bullshit about college ain't for everybody. College ain't for nobody, okay? The academic rigor is no different than what you've already been through. Let me tell you why college ain't for nobody, because you never gave your kids no goddamn freedom. [01:41:55] sounddrop: You never gave they ass no damn responsibility. Then they get out in the world, and they're more pressed [01:42:00] about partying than studying. Oh, no, brother. They have no discipline. That's the part that makes college not for everybody. They have no discipline, coupled with the fact that you have made it easy for them to come back home. [01:42:14] sounddrop: When you send your children off to college, make sure you let they ass know the next time I am coming to pick you up, it is with a cap, gown, diploma, and a U-Haul truck to unpack your apartment. My daddy made it perfectly clear, baby. Once I moved

out and went to college, you can't come back here You can't come back here. [01:42:38] sounddrop: And for those of you parents who don't know, I am telling you the way it's supposed to be when you send your kids off to college. You're gone, you cannot come back here. [01:42:49] HD: I disagree with that info. [01:42:50] cybershortieee: I don't agree with the you can't come back here, but I do think that especially if you didn't go to college, I think that you, you should [01:43:00] help and rally up, um, a, a support team for your, for your child. [01:43:05] cybershortieee: Uh, send them care packages, "I'm proud of you, I know this is tough." Send them random text messages, phone calls. Go see them if you can. Everybody's family and parents can't, depending on how far... But those little things and nuggets, like I remember all the times my mom came to hang out with me just to come get me to go get some food or take me to the mall or come get me some groceries. [01:43:26] cybershortieee: Like, it's a lot more to it outside of homework. Just like he said, it's really about discipline and learning how to adult and figure things out. Um, you have to figure out how to balance this with that, which is what you do in life. How do you balance having a family? How do you balance working? How do you balance friendships? [01:43:42] cybershortieee: How do you balance relationships? How do you balance all these different things, so... And I'm Cyber Shorty . Can you please? [01:43:51] HD: But no, okay. So it is not just you can't come home, 'cause my kids can stay with me forever. I don't care if they got a corporate job. [01:43:57] cybershortieee: But, but your, but your kid can be in college and live at home.[01:44:00] [01:44:00] HD: Yeah, but even if... I know our stuff is expensive. Now, the thing is, I do have to... One of the ways to give your kids some responsibilities is to start treating them older than what they are and letting them know, "Hey, if you make this decision, this will be your consequences." And a lot of people don't even prepare the kids to go to school, and they don't even invest in an education during school, and then they wanna go to school, but they've been in piss poor schools their whole life. [01:44:26] cybershortieee: Me. Got there and was like, "Whoa." [01:44:30] HD: Yeah, I don't know how to study. What is this? [01:44:31] cybershortieee: What are you talking about? Yeah. [01:44:33] HD: So you got that going on. [01:44:35] cybershortieee: But that's why I think it's also important for you to be strategic about what, um, uh- [01:44:42] HD: School you go to? [01:44:43] cybershortieee: Yeah, and what perks can they offer you. 'Cause sometimes they don't offer you nothing besides- Yeah [01:44:48] cybershortieee: just being a big branded name. [01:44:50] HD: And, and I'll say, like, college can be for people, but- Sometimes you, they not mature enough to go [01:44:56] cybershortieee: At that time ... [01:44:56] HD: my

brother should never did the quarter system his first go [01:45:00] at school. I said, "Mom, I know y'all wanna let him feel like he grown now, but he 18. It's hard to ask a 18-year-old what they wanna do for the rest of their life. [01:45:09] HD: Make him go to that community college for that first year to get, um- [01:45:13] cybershortieee: Some [01:45:13] HD: as- ... ingratiated- Acclimation ... to working the college, going to it, and doing that stuff." I was like, "Then if he do good there, let him go to LA Tech." I'm like, I'm just God gifted, and I got through. I, my... After my first year, and I, I think I lost my top scholarship. [01:45:29] HD: I said, "C's get degrees." But I wasn't really struggling in school. I just struggled my first quarter 'cause Mom did the financial aid wrong, so I didn't have none of the stuff I needed to succeed that first quarter. [01:45:38] cybershortieee: Mm. [01:45:39] HD: And so I had, I was keep, I pretty much was playing catch-up, and then I think the first quarter of my sophomore year I did something stupid. [01:45:47] HD: All my classes was on two days out the week. [01:45:49] cybershortieee: You thought you was in town. Only got [01:45:51] HD: classes two days a week. And s- and, and if anybody's familiar with the quarter system, your classes are longer than typical- Mm-hmm ... regular semesters. So these are, like, two-hour classes. [01:45:58] cybershortieee: All day. You was probably in [01:46:00] your class till 9:00. [01:46:01] HD: Nah, it was like, it would start in the morning. I would have, like, two. Have my time I do lunch, and then that one more in the evening. By the evening time I'm sleepy. So it's all that stuff that I wasn't aware of and nobody really put me on game about. I, I think by that time I was already using Rate My Professor. [01:46:15] HD: But shoot, Alexis will tell you about them boring teachers we had, 'cause we w- we did the same undergrad. And so, um, we was both, uh, college of business actually. But I did good in my college of business classes. I just didn't like anything that wasn't around computers or stuff I was gonna do on the day-to-day. [01:46:30] HD: I was like, "Why I'm taking geology?" [01:46:31] cybershortieee: Ugh, please don't get me started. 'Cause why was I in the mine? [01:46:34] HD: Why am I back in British lit? [01:46:35] cybershortieee: Why was I in the mine in my geology class? [01:46:38] HD: No, that's fun though. [01:46:39] cybershortieee: No, that's not. [01:46:41] HD: That's fun [01:46:46] HD: That's fun. I, I, I would love to go to a mine instead of... Like, our instructor, he taught like the clear eye guy from what you call it. [01:46:55] cybershortieee: Mine's was cool, but he wasn't cool enough [01:46:59] HD: So [01:47:00] Bill says, "Hey, that's what took me for a good-his degree, no discipline going in." [01:47:06] HD: My nine-year-old made the baked beans for the cookout today. Hey, shout out to him though. [01:47:10] cybershortieee: I know that's right [01:47:11] cybershortieee: Um. Train 'em up. [01:47:12] HD: Hey, got to. 'Cause honestly, that's the other thing. A lot of these k- like, a lot of us grew up a little faster, so we could take care of ourselves. I used to tell my brother, this is like 2020 when I was back in town, 2020, '21. He was going through that stage of, like not listening. So I was like, "Hey, man, if something happened to Mom and Dad right now, can you take care of yourself?" [01:47:30] HD: He thought about it, looked at me, "No." I said, "Well, shut up." [01:47:33] cybershortieee: Well, shut up is sending me. [01:47:35] HD: Like, if you could take care of yourself, you got all the right to talk. If you can't, no, 'cause that's the other part of being treated as an adult, being able to take care of yourself, but also making adult-like decisions. [01:47:45] HD: Mm-hmm. If your parents still gotta follow up behind you like you a child, you will get treated as such. It don't matter if you 30, if you still act like you 18, that's how you gonna get treated. And pe- kids have a hard time understanding, hey, I'm not 18 no more. But you still act like it. [01:48:00] You still saying, "Hey, I'm short on my bills. [01:48:02] HD: Can you help me out?" [01:48:03] cybershortieee: That part right there. [01:48:05] HD: That's where all this stuff going to. [01:48:08] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. [01:48:08] HD: And if it ain't for you, you can come back home, but you gonna have to get a job and be productive. [01:48:13] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:48:13] HD: And if you wanna stream, you can do that when you off work, but you gonna have a work. [01:48:17] cybershortieee: But d- but, but if you gotta come back home, you still need discipline and structure. [01:48:21] cybershortieee: Oh, yeah. That's what it's about. [01:48:22] HD: And that's when you have to s- and this is where it get to, okay, all right, you don't like my rules? Go somewhere else where they gonna let you do what you wanna do. Go. And so when you do that, and they got, gotta weigh it out, they like, "Sh- do I got somewhere to go?" You be like, "I don't know, fam, I don't know." [01:48:43] HD: Let me see. I think, let me see. We got [01:48:49] HD: I think we got two of them, two more. It was the ghosting or it was... I thought this, this girl's always funny. I love her and I've [01:49:00] never met her before. It's my favorite person to react to [01:49:03] sounddrop: Working in corporate is just seeing who's the better actress because I had to help a user who consistently acted like she didn't know how to change her password. It was as simple as one, two, three, Control, Alt, Delete. But she consistently started acting like she had no clue how to change her password. [01:49:14] sounddrop: And since this was a security concern and they sent out a company-wide email, they sent out pictures, instructions, and how complex the password needed to be for everybody to change their password,

and she was the only one to reach out to the IT department. She touched three people in our help desk and asked them each to change her password. [01:49:25] sounddrop: So three separate people changed her password at different times of the day. I already knew this, and now it was my turn. She reached out to me and said, "Can you change my password?" I told her, "No. Your password was already changed three different times." I gave her the time and dates, all this other stuff, and she was just like, "Okay." [01:49:35] sounddrop: She reached out to her manager. Her manager reached out to me and said, "I wanna know why you're not helping my user." I told him exactly why. I sent screenshots and I said, "I'm concerned. Is there a reason why she couldn't follow these instructions? Is there a reason why she needed three separate people to change her password within a day? [01:49:45] sounddrop: This is actually really scary. And is there something IT needs to know so that we can help her under a special circumstance?" He didn't reply. So then she decided, because of the fact that I guess her manager went to her and said, "You've had your password changed. You don't need to talk to Olivia," she went to the director and said, "Olivia Key," CC'd me by the way, "did not help me today," blah, blah, blah, blah. [01:49:59] sounddrop: I took that email and I [01:50:00] sent it to HR. Yeah. I said, "I have a growing concern because of the fact that there was of course a security concern throughout the whole company. They sent instructions. No one needed to come to IT for a password change. This person went to three different people at different times," and I sent all the attachments. [01:50:10] sounddrop: I said, "I reached out to her manager after he reached out to me and asked, 'Hey, is there something special we need to learn about this person?'" I said, "As you guys know, last year my father suffered a stroke, and before he had that stroke, he could not remember certain things, and now I'm deeply concerned about her health. [01:50:21] sounddrop: Let us know if IT needs to do something special for this person-" She's so extra. "... because as you know, that impacted my family in a crazy way, and I'm just concerned." And of course, this woman reached out to me apologizing for her actions 'cause I'm like, "Baby, if you wanna go that route, I am Glenn Close when it comes to playing these corporate games." [01:50:35] cybershortieee: Wait, is that the end? [01:50:37] sounddrop: Viola Davis with the tears. Okay. Play with somebody else [01:50:44] HD: She could be related to Kendra. [01:50:48] cybershortieee: It's chess, not checkers. I mean, what part of it was confusing? [01:50:54] HD: But the... Know what, though? That's why, uh, everybody's doing the password list, number one. [01:51:00] Number two, it's also why, like, in, uh, the government space, we're using smart cards. [01:51:06] cybershortieee: Mm-hmm. [01:51:06] HD: So technically people didn't have to

remember. [01:51:07] HD: They just had to bring their smart card- Smart card to work ... and know their PIN. [01:51:11] cybershortieee: It's so funny how every place you work at is so different. I done had a smart card before. I done had a, uh, I done had a hard passkey before, a soft one. [01:51:26] HD: Yeah. I know this how she was when she hit HR. Hold on. Let me go apologize right now. [01:51:31] HD: I don't want no problems. [01:51:33] cybershortieee: Remember that video that I sent you of that man who was using his debit card, but he had made it look all crazy in the gas stations? Mm-hmm. You should play that video. [01:51:41] HD: I need to, I need to find... I need to download that joint. [01:51:43] cybershortieee: When I tell you that's... We'll save that for next time. [01:51:46] HD: Mm-hmm. [01:51:46] cybershortieee: I go back and watch that pretty often. [01:51:50] HD: And, uh, let me see. Last but not least, I think it's this right here, 'cause I know everybody can feel this, uh, way. And let me see. Do we got any questions in the chat while I'm doing [01:52:00] this? [01:52:04] HD: Yes, no, maybe so [01:52:09] cybershortieee: No. [01:52:10] HD: Okay. [01:52:10] cybershortieee: Oh, I th- I thought you was waiting for people to ask. No, we don't have any right now. [01:52:13] HD: Okay. That's what I was asking you. Hold on, this a long video. We gotta get this thing fa- I mean, this thing, um, faster. Let's go. [01:52:21] sounddrop: Trying to make this video really, really quick, um, and not three minutes, but I need y'all to really, really listen to me and tell me what's going on. [01:52:25] sounddrop: I interviewed with this company four times. The first interview was with the recruiter. She absolutely loved me, gave me amazing feedback. She said, "Okay, now we're gonna move on to the Zoom interview." The Zoom interview, it was two, uh, managers. They were grilling me. Um, not grilling, but answer- uh, asking me questions back to back. [01:52:38] sounddrop: Killed the interview. They say, "You know what? I- we think you amazing. Come in for the in-person interview. Um, you're gonna interview with the vice president." I interviewed with her and another guy. She was out of town. He was in office. They gave me amazing feedback. I reached out to... It, it... We were going into the Fourth of July weekend. [01:52:52] sounddrop: I reached out to the recruiter after the Fourth of July weekend on that Wednesday, "Hey, I'm just... Do y'all have any updates?" She didn't respond back till a couple days later. She was very apologetic. Real nice young [01:53:00] lady. Um, "They decided not to go with you." Uh, they decided, um, they found somebody else. I said, "Okay, cool." [01:53:05] sounddrop: She said, "However, we have another position in a different department with the same, uh, salary range, and I think you'll be a great fit. I would like for you to interview with this guy." Now, this is going on the fourth interview. She said, "We're gonna skip you and I's interview because we already interviewed, and then you're going to just go directly into the Zoom interview." [01:53:18] sounddrop: I go into the Zoom interview. He gives me amazing feedback. "Hey, I'm gonna talk to the, to the recruiter. Um, and I'm gonna talk to m- the, I guess, like the vice president of his department, and you'll hear back from us shortly." Today is July 29th or 28th. I don't know. I have not heard back from this company. [01:53:33] sounddrop: I hop on TikTok t-today, and this girl was like she felt like she was being humiliated with interviewing with this company so many times, and now I'm starting to think I was humilia- like, why did y'all do that to me? Like, I just drove out to Schaumburg. Surely you knew you had a different candidate before I drove out there. [01:53:46] sounddrop: But then for you to offer me a fourth interview and not call me back, and I'm emailing and, like, trying to check on the update. I spoke to my mom, and she was just telling me, like... 'Cause now I'm discouraged. She was just saying like, "You know, what God has for you is for you. Um, you might have thought that you were for that job, but God may have seen something." [01:53:59] sounddrop: Yes, I [01:54:00] understand that, and I 100% agree with my mom- ... but my feelings are a little hurt. I [01:54:03] HD: ain't trying to hear that. [01:54:03] sounddrop: Surely, y'all gave me all this great feedback just to not call me back. Like, what's going on with Black women not being hired in these spaces anymore? And I hate to bring race into it, but I know I'm qualified for the job. [01:54:14] sounddrop: I know I have the experience. However, I done did four interviews with y'all, and it's a huge company, and you can't even give me a text back. You can't give me an email back. I got ghosted. [01:54:22] HD: Yeah, I've been there, bro. I went out like a sucker one time for the job when they was ghosting me 'cause I really needed a job. [01:54:28] HD: I'm writing- What ... follow-up after follow-up. What [01:54:30] cybershortieee: does went out like a sucker mean? Please. [01:54:32] HD: I can... M- Man, some shit I'll never do again. It's like, you know, when you, when you- [01:54:37] cybershortieee: When you really need that ... [01:54:39] HD: if you aching it to, like, a relationship and you like, "Man, it's over," like, you know, leave the girl alone or whatever. [01:54:46] HD: Like, you know. Now I thought, uh, this job I was supposed to have, and I went out for my birthday for the San Jose. I was like, "Oh, yeah, you know, I'm finna get the new job. Woo, we out having fun." [01:54:59] cybershortieee: [01:55:00] Celebrating, turned up. Woo, woo. [01:55:02] HD: Look, I'ma look. Uh, I'm doing updates, 4/16 He said they have some concerns we are working through. [01:55:14] HD: Give me a couple days. I asked him again. 4/20, I'm, I'm going out like a sucker. That's like the last one. Matter of fact, let me see

when the start of the thank yous happened [01:55:27] HD: So I started interviewing with them 3/23 [01:55:30] cybershortieee: And still reaching out 4/20? [01:55:36] HD: No, so now look what they say. I gave them a thank you letter in 3/23. It's just some BS. Uh, I reached out to them on the 29th, just let them know, "Hey, this is who I am again. Like, why y'all taking so long?" On the 29th, he got back to me and said, "Hey, sorry, Andre, for not getting back with you sooner. [01:55:57] HD: We'll pick this back up with the next interview [01:56:00] early next week. Our goal is to have this wrapped up with start date April 15th, 2018." And on April 5th, he asked me, "Do I have time tomorrow to talk by phone about 30 minutes? I wanna prep you for your conversation. Let me know what time works for you. When we met, I forgot to ask you if you done Reese version," blah, blah, blah. [01:56:18] HD: "O sent some BS stuff." And I said I was available at what time, and I went [01:56:28] HD: And so that's the stuff. Let's see, we did that. He called me and I did the, I did the interview, I guess, on April 11th, and then that's when I kept on going on. And they never really told me nothing. But that's the same job, and she may not ever see this video. That same job was I dodged the bullet 'cause they ended up hiring a woman who didn't know what she was doing, and because a guy that was working there currently ended up working with me and my new team at Optiv. [01:56:57] HD: Mm. So what her mama was telling her is true. It just don't feel [01:57:00] like it because you kinda going through the, the BS at the time, and I was just going outside 'cause I need a job. I was like, "Bro." [01:57:09] cybershortieee: I think that they be forgetting. I think they be forgetting about the interviews. Not in every circumstance, but I've had that happen to me before- For real? [01:57:18] cybershortieee: where somebody, "Oh, I didn't know. Well, they didn't put it on my calendar. What da, da, da, da." I've had that before. Or, "Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo." And so I think that it... a lot of it be human error. Somebody dropped the ball along- Mm-hmm ... somewhere. Somebody was supposed to pass it off to somebody 'cause somebody on vacation, they didn't. [01:57:35] cybershortieee: I think, I think a lot of it do be human error. [01:57:38] sounddrop: Yeah, for sure. [01:57:38] cybershortieee: And I don't think it be... It always is maliciously done. I'm not saying it isn't malicious at sometime, at times, but I don't think all of it is malicious. [01:57:48] HD: Yeah. For sure, for sure. I don't know, man. These, these people are out here crazy. Um, anything you wanna leave the people with, man? [01:57:55] HD: They done rock with us for, like, two hours. Uh... [01:57:58] cybershortieee: What do I wanna leave the [01:58:00] people with? Um- Nothing. [01:58:04] HD: Really? No, [01:58:04] cybershortieee: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Um, I'll say something nice. Be kind. You never know what people are going through. It's hot. You never know what people are going through, so be kind to people. [01:58:16] HD: My quote is something I've been telling my kids. [01:58:20] HD: Do what you supposed to do and not what you wanna do. [01:58:23] cybershortieee: That's the... That's a parent quote. [01:58:25] HD: Do what- [01:58:25] cybershortieee: That's a parent [01:58:26] HD: quote. I'm telling you, do what you supposed to do and not what you wanna do. This gonna go for your, your studying for your lab... I mean, for your, your certs, doing your labs, applying to that job, going to that gym. [01:58:37] HD: Do what you supposed to do and not what you wanna do, and you gonna be all right. [01:58:40] cybershortieee: Yeah. [01:58:41] HD: All right? Um, but appreciate everybody for rocking with us, man. It's been another episode of Technical Talk- The Technical Talk. I'm your host, HD. [01:58:48] cybershortieee: And your girl, Cyber Shawty. [01:58:50] HD: And we are out. Peace. [01:58:52] HD: Look at that floor over there