บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Digital Circus

this still scary? 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.840 Is it possible for something to be scary when it isn't horror? 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:07.360 When it isn't straight-up horror. 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:17.439 Can it still be scary even if you're just like implying like something that's hard to grasp, like um eternal torment, perhaps, in the case of Digital Circus? 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:24.959 Yeah, I think it has to do with point of view, honestly, but I definitely could see how it could be scary to some audiences for sure, almost horror-like as well. 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:35.759 But I think what I wanted to say with this is that I don't think the show is scary, as in like I don't think it's difficult to watch, like it's not unpleasant to watch. 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:43.439 But there are parts of it where I think if you're expecting it to be just like an easy relaxing show, they would be pretty shocking. 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:50.000 So it's it's scary if you put yourself in the shoes of the characters too much. 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:51.920 It can be if you do that, yes. 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.120 Yeah, like the parts where they start to go insane, you know? 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.560 Like uh I'm thinking of the part with Jax on episode seven. 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.560 Yeah, the end of episode seven where he just starts laughing. 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:04.319 I predicted that so hard though. 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:10.160 I think that kind of hurt to watch, even though I know the people hate Jax, but I I don't hate Jax. 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:13.360 Right? 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:17.920 I actually he was my favorite at first, but then I then Kinger took took the spotlight. 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:29.439 Yeah, I we'll get into Jax more later, but the show is kind of scary, or it's it makes your s your heart sink sometimes, because I think you really want these people to get out. 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:31.519 You don't want them to be trapped forever. 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:32.560 Uh forever. 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:33.120 Forever. 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:47.759 But at the same time, one thing that helps in the setting where everyone is trapped is that the humans are there for each other and supporting each other, except for Jax, but you know, making it a bit more wholesome than horrifying. 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:49.120 Yeah, exactly. 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:54.639 Low-key though, I feel like if I was in that situation, I'd be similar to what a Jax is. 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.040 Not that extreme, but like I definitely wouldn't be. 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:06.720 I'm not saying like their unity is cringy in the TV show, but whenever they're like, oh like we gotta stick together, I'm just like, yeah, I don't think I'd be on the same boat, honestly. 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:09.600 I'd probably be in my own boat with like Jax or something. 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:28.720 But I think given the circumstance as much as like people hate Jax, I feel like most people might be kind of like Jax, to be honest, because if everything is quote unquote isn't real and there's seemingly no consequences to your actions because people don't die, you would kind of stop caring. 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:29.360 Yeah. 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:34.480 And it seems like, oh, Jax is such a horrible person, but I do think he's pretty realistic. 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.319 But I keep going right into Jax when I was gonna talk about that later. 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.319 But anyways, so is is digital circus scary or not? 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:44.560 It depends on your point of view, we're saying. 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:46.560 Lyndon's saying kind of. 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:51.839 I'm saying yes, but only if you are thinking too deeply about it. 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:58.800 And sometimes it's a little bit scary, like the angel episode was kind of like scary in a creepy pasta kind of way. 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:04.079 Oh, my next point says discuss how subtlety can be truly menacing when executed well. 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:12.720 I did want to talk about this a bit because I think in scary or I think in movies and shows today they tend to like show you everything right at your face. 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:13.839 Exactly. 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:27.360 And I actually prefer when scary stuff is implied because it's uh not only scarier, but it's also more respectful of the audience and of the fictional victim, I guess I should say. 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:40.480 I'm not saying you can't ever show anything to people's face, but I I really feel like we do that too much just for shock, and it's very Yeah, that's why I don't normally feel disrespectful to me, or at least cheap. 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:43.120 Yeah, cheap is the word uh I describe it. 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:49.519 I was gonna say uh that when especially when uh they make like really cute and innocent stuff into horror. 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:55.839 Uh like when they twist like say like a cute little kid's cartoon into something really horrifying, like i.e. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.439 with like gratuitous violence or cannibalism or something like that. 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.439 It always ends up leaving me feeling sick to my stomach, but nothing more. 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:08.000 Like it's not it's usually not actually very profound or deep. 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:13.040 It's not you don't need to do that to get your point across most of the time, I think. 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:18.399 So it's like, oh wow, that made me feel horrible, but then it then you forget about it later. 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:37.840 That's probably the type of horror, if you want to call it in quotes, that I would actually enjoy is the subtle, eerie feeling of someone being in trouble or this happened to such and such in the slight and subtle ways this does it, makes it more scary in a way, because it's subtle about it and it gets people thinking. 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:38.559

Yeah. 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:44.080 And then I I continued writing in my notes, something like Digital Circus feels more subdued and thoughtful. 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:49.919 So that even when it is dealing with existentialism and torment, it doesn't terrify you so much as it connects with you. 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.799 So yeah, it is like if it's a if it's horror, it's not really horror, but it is existentialism. 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:59.440 I think it's yeah, it's not terrifying so much as it's relatable. 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:05.120 I'm sorry, I'm like that was a depressing thing to say. 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:16.480 But every human being in s on some level can relate to feeling like fear of death or or torment or or being trapped. 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:24.159 Yeah, I'd say a digital circus probably is so popular because it's relatable, but also because it's unique and colorful and very strange. 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.960 There isn't really anything around quite like it. 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:35.919 I think other than I have no mouth and I must scream, it is inspired by Poppy the performer, but I've never seen that, but apparently it's like a really violent circus cartoon. 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:36.639 Yikes. 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.919 So maybe that's similar, I don't know, but I've never seen it. 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:43.440 But I still feel like this is probably a bit more classy than that. 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:49.519 Um, do you have anything else to say about Digital Circus, like as a story? 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.639 Like which part so far was your favorite? 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:54.480 My favorite part? 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:56.320 Oof, brother. 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:10.399 Uh probably again, we'll probably talk about it more in detail, but probably uh Jax's part when he kind of goes insane almost goes insane at the end of that one uh adventure. 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:13.600 I saw it coming, so I was like, this is gonna happen profoundly. 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.639 When he's basically like, you're just lying to us. 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:18.080 Like, okay, okay. 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:27.519 For a second I didn't know if you were talking about the part where he like crashes out with Pomney and is like, I am just evil, I don't care about people at all, and I hate you and I'll forget you. 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:31.039 And or I or the part where he's he's having a nightmare. 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:32.639 No, no, none of those parts. 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.360 I wasn't sure which part you're talking about, but I love that part too. 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:45.600 It's very uh cathartic to see Jax like just kind of say what everyone else is thinking, and I'm actually surprised it came from Jax because he's the one who seems like he doesn't care. 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.480 But that's probably why it hits so hard, isn't it doesn't it? 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:52.559 Because he does care, because he's human like everyone else, he doesn't want to go through this. 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.639 And I also think that's why he hit the re uh the button to stay. 00:10:56.960 --> 00:10:58.799 Because he knew it was fake, I think. 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:00.399 That's my theory of the thing. 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:01.759 I'm still not sure why. 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:06.480 There's a theory that Kane made him do that because Kane has some minimal control over their minds. 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:13.519 I was like, uh But my thought was he panicked, or my thought was he was actually too scared to go back home because he had That's another thing. 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:18.799 He had a flash some kind of flashback of a highway in Missouri, apparently. 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.320 Missouri, I don't know why that's so traumatizing. 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:23.840 Something happened to him in Missouri. 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:25.919 Maybe he had a car accident. 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:30.639 But like he was like thinking of that and before he pushed the button, right? 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:37.360 So it's possible that he suddenly was like, I don't know if I want to go back because I don't know what I'm gonna find. 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:44.240 But he also was really mad when he found out that they wouldn't have been able to go back anyway, and like starting to lose it. 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:53.279 So I think it's quite possible that he either panicked or he pushed the red button because he he knew deep down that this is exactly what was gonna happen. 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:55.120 What's your favorite scene? 00:11:55.360 --> 00:12:00.159 I really like a lot of the scenes where Kinger is talking about his wife. 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:12.320 It's just really it really makes you realize just how long Kinger has held out and how he's continued just being such a kind person somehow. 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:21.200 It's amazing, and the guy deserves to be reunited with his wife, so I really hope the other characters, like the ones who have abstracted, are not like dead, dead. 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:21.759 That's fine. 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:23.120 Like I hope that probably dead. 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:27.120 But I don't want them to be dead, and I really don't want them to find them dead or something. 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:31.039 So I would want because I want Kangar and Queenie to come back together. 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:32.159 That would be awesome. 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:33.600 Uh Kanger deserves it. 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:34.159 He's the best. 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:36.399 He's like the most Something tells me it's not gonna happen. 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.159 I know, but he's like the most dad-coded character. 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.080 He's my favorite character. 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:44.000 He's just impossible not to like. 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.000 And my husband's favorite character as well. 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:47.919 My husband hates Jax, by the way.

00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.480 He reminds him too much of real people. 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:59.039 And he just very disturbed by the way he's like emotionally manipulates people or like gaslights them, you know. 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:00.720 It's it's it is pretty nasty. 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.919 It would be Jax would not be pleasant to be around in real life. 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:08.639 However, as a character, Jax is certainly one of the most interesting characters in the show. 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:16.240 I know the younger fans of the series are probably gonna come after me for that, assuming they're even listening, but it's alright. 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:17.600 We can have different opinions. 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:18.960 You don't have to like Jax. 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:23.840 Um I do, but I understand that he is not a nice person, definitely not. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.120 Um, my next note is Oh, it's a question. 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:31.200 Does every scary or heavy story need moments of hope? 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:32.559 Why or why not? 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:39.679 Interesting, because I do I think I wrote that down because I thought that Digital Circus is a lot more hopeful than I thought it was gonna be. 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:45.679 Especially from the first episode when it ends, you're kind of like, so basically she's just gonna go crazy here. 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:46.240 Yeah. 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:51.279 And then in this but as soon as even the second episode, the ending is very different. 00:13:51.440 --> 00:14:03.679 Instead of ending with like that horrible, like mind-bending music, and she's just looking like like insane, realizing she can't leave, and this is what reality is. 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:16.080 And then in the second episode, it's that same song being played very softly and gently on the piano, and her friends are reaching to help her up out of that sort of like dark pit that she was in mentally. 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:19.679 I was really surprised, and that made me like the show a lot more. 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:24.000 I might not have continued watching if it was just existential dread. 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:34.159 I find, yeah, if this show didn't have like where it's like the audience didn't have any hope or reason to think that they had hope, it would seem a bit more lame. 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.159 Like it gives it more depth. 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:44.399 Well, if there is no hope of them getting out at all, or of them even being real humans, because apparently that is hasn't even been confirmed for sure. 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.519 Ooh, that would be a horrible AI. 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:48.480 That would be so messy. 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:56.799 If they're just like if they're just human consciousness or something, that's also kind of sad, because then they have nothing to go back to. 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.240 They just are like someone's memories sitting in a computer. 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.200 I don't like that, but that's a very popular theory. 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:08.240 Okay, so but let's just assume that there is something to go back to and they're human. 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:09.279 It better be. 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.200 Do you think what if it was like the Lego movie? 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.320 When like they go back and it's like live action. 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.919 Well, I feel like they're gonna animate it. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.879 Maybe the if they do real life, uh, so be it. 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:29.679 But I feel like it would be more appropriate to do it like when they get out and they're humans, they like animate it. 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:33.759 Either way is fine to me because like the show is already animated. 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.519 I don't think the Lego movie is worse for having the live action parts. 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.279 I just like it doesn't really take away from the animation. 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:43.360 I think it's just kind of funny. 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:45.919 So I think I just think that would be funny. 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:49.600 I don't and then like what if the actual voice actors played themselves? 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:50.480 That would be funny too. 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.399 But like Michael Kovac just like shows up, but that's right. 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:57.360 By the way, if I yawn, it's because I'm tired. 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.960 I I keeping it there goes my English. 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:02.639 I'm keeping this guy up. 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:06.240 He he worked all day and now I'm making him work here. 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:07.600 This ain't work. 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:08.720 This is party time. 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:09.919 Oh, it is still work. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.240 My brain is already starting to melt. 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:26.159 Um, so I guess to answer my own question, I think I think not every scary or heavy story needs moments of hope, but I do think your story will be better for it. 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.879 Because I still think you can make a point in a story without hope. 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:31.600 Oh, yes. 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.759 But it's it's going to be better with hope, I think. 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:38.159 Um, did you see the new Frankenstein? 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:39.440 Then which one? 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:41.679 Like the Netflix one. 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.639 Like I can't pronounce the director's name. 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:46.159 Trailers, but I have not seen it. 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:48.240 Like Guilamore Del Toro. 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:51.679 Guillermo Del Toro. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:53.840 I will never please forgive me, Mr. 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:54.639 Del Toro. 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.039 I will never try to say your name again. 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:05.200 Can't say I have no Okay, but my point was I saw it recently, and it was very difficult to

watch, in my opinion. 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:09.119 It was very heavy and grisly and just so so sad. 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:12.160 Just one bad thing after another. 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.440 But the monster himself was not scary. 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:21.359 He was just sad, like he just makes you feel sorry for him. 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:34.000 And in the end, I actually cried so much because it had I I was not expecting this because the movie was so heavy, so sad, so depressing, and then the end was just beautiful and hopeful. 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:37.599 I was like that was the last thing I was expecting. 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:42.640 So I really think if it didn't have that ending, I probably would have been like, yeah, I didn't like that movie. 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:54.160 It was like visually like very artistic and beautiful, but I don't didn't I can't say that I walked away from it feeling like better for having watched it. 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:58.160 But when that ending happened, I was like, Yeah, that was worth it. 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:02.960 So I do recommend that movie, but only if you can handle it up to the end. 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:06.559 Oh, I think I already asked who your favorite character was, Linen. 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:10.319 Uh yeah, but I might change my hand. 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:12.480 Like, it's between Kinger and Jax. 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:17.119 I wrote a note underneath the question saying, hint, if it's not Kinger, you're fired. 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:27.200 So I must have been really I was really wanting you to pick Kinger too, but I think it's totally okay if you don't pick Kinger. 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:30.559 Or it or it might not even be any of the main characters. 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:35.039 It might be um uh what's uh what's his name? 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:36.000 The bad guy? 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.160 Well yeah Kane Kane Kane is a really fun character. 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:40.960 I love him. 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:46.400 Kane is super fun though, like even though he's like at first a lot of people are like, oh, he's not really bad. 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.799 Even my uh we have other brothers and sisters. 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:58.319 Um one of our brothers, he was like surprised when I told him that Kane goes crazy later and is like a bad guy, has a villain song and everything. 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:00.240 And which is awesome. 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.000 Yeah, I think that's awesome. 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.039 But it also confirms what I was kind of suspecting. 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:08.720 Like, okay, Kane is actually the villain here, the antagonist. 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:12.640 He's not just like a unin uh what do you call it? 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:18.079 He's not inadvertently the antagonist, he actually is intentionally hurting these people. 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:21.839 Well, I think eventually he like gets to that point where he snaps and he's gonna be able to do

that. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.359 And honestly, they kind of provoked it though, so I say they get what they asked for. 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:30.720 Yeah, but at the same time, he wasn't cooperating at all, he wasn't being reasonable. 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:36.640 Maybe he's not capable of being reasonable because he's an AI with limited capacity to understand. 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:39.119 Um, but I know our brother was like, What? 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.960 He did not seem like he was intentionally bad. 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:53.279 And then I showed him the who's running the show song, and he was like, his eyebrows slowly go up, and he's like, that's awful. 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.119 The full name of the song is Don't Forget Who's Running the Show. 00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:57.759 I think. 00:19:58.559 --> 00:19:59.039 Yeah. 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:09.759 And I don't think it's anything that spectacular on its own, it's just like a typical show bit uh showtune style uh Broadway kind of song. 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:23.200 But the what makes it stand out is the words because the type of thing he's singing in that bouncy upbeat way is really it's very sharply contrasted. 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:27.519 Like uh oh, what's a word, what's a line from the song I could say? 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:34.720 Like um, sorry, I was just looking here for the lyrics, uh, because they I I kind of know them and then they just left my brain. 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:39.920 But uh one part of the song goes, so play the games and just ignore the pains. 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:42.319 Because all that remains is how you prime your brains. 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:46.240 You whine to me, but you're too blind to see that I'm the one who's running the show. 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:50.480 And this is all like very uh I like that. 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:53.839 Well, it all kind of sounds like something from Mary Poppins or something. 00:20:54.079 --> 00:21:01.519 Almost so the lyrics there where he's like, oh what a shame, you know, like like uh oh cry about it. 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:24.240 Uh you're not the one who's in control here, so just uh take it on the chin, even he says like take the hit, and just yeah, it's a it's a very cruel song, and that's why I think it stands out a bit, because it's it doesn't sound like something evil, but the words are really evil, so I like it. 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:31.920 Oh, and in this uh this part I wrote, is there a difference between being an evil person and being a bad person? 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:47.359 The reason why I wrote that is because a lot of people think that Jax is evil or Jack or Kane is evil, but then there's also a lot of people defending Jax and Kane, and that's I do think that's kind of interesting why people are taking sides about that. 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:50.480 Is being a bad person the same as being evil? 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:53.279 No, because I can see where Jax is coming from. 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:59.839 Yeah, and I don't want to be like defending Jax because I don't think his behavior is acceptable in any way. 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:08.000 But I do defend him as like a human being and a and a well, okay, he's not really a human being because he's just a fictional character. 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:20.480 But if he was a human being, I would defend that he there is a very real reason why he is that way, but at the same time, it's he still has a choice and he keeps choosing the destructive way. 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:23.839 But I don't think he's actually evil. 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:30.799 I think he's terrified, even on that part when he's like, You are my playthings, and that's all you are to me. 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:40.559 His face is like really afraid, and he's after he says all that, he's shaking and then he starts to like play it off as a joke again. 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:46.640 So it's like he he in my he wants them to think that. 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:55.359 He's just trying to cope with something, but he's he's that is the that was the most desperate push I've ever seen to like push people away. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:02.160 And say saying that alone actually like shook him up so bad that he went and had a panic attack. 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:05.759 So I don't think he actually meant it. 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:13.039 The problem is he he he almost wishes it was true that they're all just nobody and nothing to him and he doesn't care. 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:20.880 Unfortunately, he does care, but he doesn't want to care because he doesn't want to feel the pain of losing friends again. 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:29.680 So he's probably reacting, he's probably panicking because he's realizing that he would care if something happened to Bombi. 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:31.359 Yeah, something like that. 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:33.759 But that's something like that for for sure. 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:35.680 He was clearly lying on that part. 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:37.119 Yeah, he was. 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:48.880 But I think a lot of people took that for real, or they were just offended at the horrible things he said to her, and it's true they were horrible things, and they're like, wow, I hate Jax, I can't believe he's so bad. 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:54.880 And I mean first of all, I believe it, but second of all, I think he's lying. 00:23:55.759 --> 00:24:01.519 Like, I believe that people people can be pushed to the worst versions of themselves, especially in those situations. 00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:04.880 So yes, I believe it, but I don't think he meant it either. 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:07.440 Um, do you have any thoughts about Kane though? 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:08.960 Because that's a different story. 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:15.200 Kane is not a human, so we can't give him the oh well what would any human do in this situation? 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:19.519 I honestly don't think he's like the villain either. 00:24:19.680 -->

00:24:22.799 Like, I don't know if there's a clear like hear me out. 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:24.400 I don't know if there's a clear villain. 00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:25.920 Might have to disagree with you. 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:28.880 Well, because in he's an AI, right? 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.799 Like I'm taking this from his point of view. 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:39.680 His point of view I don't think he truly cares about them. 00:24:40.240 --> 00:25:04.799 I think he the only purely cares about pleasing uh them because his mission is to entertain them, and the the fact that they were getting mad at him and clearly not being entertained slowly drove the AI crazy because it wasn't fulfilling its destiny, which in my opinion would justify the crash out he has and the song, which is I'm not saying all the things he did was good, no, very bad. 00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:08.000 But I don't really see him as a villain. 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:12.720 Like he's an AI, like that's a that's a justifiable reaction from an AI. 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:26.960 I think even if he's and by the way, I think it's good if we disagree, because that just makes the show more interesting, if we disagree uh more often, even like I'm not saying oh we have to disagree, but if we do, that's just all the more reason to talk about it. 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:33.839 But I do think I disagree, not because okay, I think he functions as a villain for all intents and purposes. 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:37.759 So he's the story's villain, even if he doesn't see it that way. 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.240 No villain sees himself as the villain. 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.519 Yeah, but and he yeah, and you could say like, well, it's not his fault because he's an AI. 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:47.759 Well Kinger said he's an AI, so I'm not saying. 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:57.279 I mean he is he is an AI, but have has there not ever been like evil robots who seem to have like feelings, but they still turn evil? 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:00.000 Or like good robots who choose to be good anyway. 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:06.400 So like in this for the sake of fiction, I'm like, yeah, this is an evil AI, or he becomes evil slowly. 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:18.960 AI in itself, the character, doesn't seem like it's a good thing because it he's set there to trap them basically and keep them from going insane, so keep their brains active or something. 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:27.039 I don't want to say it's like an Ultron thing, but like it's like all the AIs uh in these movies, they're just trying to achieve what their goal was. 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.559 So I'm not saying like whether the goal is bad or not. 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:36.960 I could see him being a villain, but I'll still stick with the side of I I'm not sure if if there is a clear villain in the description. 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.279 I think I think it's clear that he's a villain. 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:40.960 It wasn't at first though. 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:44.960 To me, I was like, he's not he's certainly not intentionally a villain. 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:52.160 But then it went on episode eight, I guess, when he does that, has that crash out and he's like, I am God. 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:59.359 Um I really enjoy Kane when he loses it, it was quite fun to watch. 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:01.279 But You're parasiting! 00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:06.319 Yeah, but like even when he goes really off the rails, he's like, I'm God and you are all nothing. 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:19.039 Okay, so he it really became clear to me when he started to intentionally torture them because his whole like defense before was like if I am torturing anybody, that's 100% not my intention. 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.720 My only job here is to make you guys happy, you know? 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:28.000 And now he's like, I don't even care if you're happy, I'm going to go out of my way to torture you now. 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:31.200 I'm gonna look for specific things that I know you personally hate. 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:43.119 Like he showed Ragatha her mother or something, who she is afraid of, and he like knows Jax is uh another reason why I think Jax is just afraid. 00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:47.279 He's afraid of vulnerability, of people seeing how vulnerable he is. 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:53.119 So he just acts like awful to cover it up in uh his torture of Jax. 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:58.559 He rips his skin off, and then Jax is like like weirdly naked. 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:00.640 Um I'm not sure what you would call that. 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:16.640 Now it doesn't sound it doesn't look as horrible as it sounds because these are like dated 90s CGI characters, so he just looks like yellow underneath his purple skin, and he's like covering up like he's naked, you know. 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:24.079 He's he doesn't want people to see his shame, his vulnerability, uh his humanity, really. 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:28.880 Um, but Kane knows that somehow and took advantage of that. 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:33.039 Like, and just he did he's not like even mocking at me, like just ripped it right off. 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:34.079 That's another thing. 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:39.920 I feel like people underestimate how much he knew about uh all the characters. 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.240 Like he probably knows all there is to know about them. 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:44.640 He seems to know what they're afraid of. 00:28:44.799 --> 00:29:01.039 He even like like for Pomia now people were like, Wow, hers was like the least scary, but I still think it was awful for him to make like Gamigu into this like horrible like demon type thing, because that was like her her first friend in the circus, even though he was an NPC. 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:01.920 What friend? 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:02.880 He was an NPC. 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:12.880 He was an NPC, but she made an emotional connection with him and that helped her on

her one of her first weeks or something, and then he just you know kills him. 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:22.319 And and not only that, but he mi he transforms him into this like horrifying creature just because he knows it will hurt Fomni. 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:24.799 Like he's doing this on purpose intentionally. 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.359 He you can't say he's not doing it intentionally anymore. 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:28.880 He has malicious intent. 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.599 That's why I'm saying he's actually a villain to me. 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:32.400 He's evil. 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:41.039 Even though he's maybe like an AI who is completely like glitched out or something, he still like has evil intent. 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.160 Even if it's a mistake in coding or what? 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:45.039 Programming. 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:46.079 Yeah, for sure. 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:51.039 He's definitely getting into more extreme ways to get them to go on his uh adventures for sure. 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.880 I can't really defend him because he's doing this on purpose. 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:55.440 Mm-hmm. 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:56.000 He is. 00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:58.079 And he knows it too. 00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:02.240 So yeah, that's that's pretty darn villain. 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:04.079 Until King in the background. 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.640 Yeah, and then Kinger accidentally kills him, but Kinger could never be evil. 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:10.240 Kinger is he's the goat. 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.559 Turns out in the finale, they kill him. 00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:18.720 No, if Kinger dies, if Kinger dies, me and my husband are gonna be so pissed. 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:21.599 That'll that'll suck. 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.359 But hopefully that doesn't happen. 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.960 It would be nice if like all the main characters could somehow like live. 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.079 I have a feeling I don't think they're all gonna get out of the way. 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.400 I have a feeling one of them is gonna die. 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.240 Um there was a theory early on. 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:49.839 Well I don't know if it was if it's as prominent now, but early on in the first episode there is they're eating all on one side of that long table, which is weird, but if you look at it when it zooms out, that's because it's a reference to the Last Supper painting. 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.920 Everyone is eating on one side of the table, and who's in the middle? 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.200 Jesus, right? 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:56.799 Well, who's in the middle here? 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:04.640 Pomney, which makes me think that maybe Pomney will die, and that was a theory that somebody came up with, but it could very well be. 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.559 And Jax may or may not have been in Judas's place, I can't remember. 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:20.480 But of course that would make perfect sense because he's kinda but I don't know like if that means there'll be significant betrayal or not, or if someone will unintentionally betray somebody, or if that was just like a little Easter egg. 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:21.519 I kind of doubt it though. 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.440 It was probably foreshadowing something. 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:24.799 I just don't know what yet. 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:32.480 Um, one thing that some people have been talking about is some people think that Pommy is like a really, really boring protagonist. 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.160 Do you agree or disagree with that? 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.000 I definitely think it's pretty shallow, like from my perspective. 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:43.279 Uh one thing for me, yeah, she was definitely could have been fleshed out a little more. 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.279 She definitely seems dull to me. 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:50.640 Uh and I never actually ended up loving the character, personally. 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:55.200 I think she's okay, but they definitely probably could have done a bit more with her. 00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.519 I like Pomney because she feels like really normal. 00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.599 Um that's exactly what I got. 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.000 She's not too good or too bad. 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:08.559 Like, Jax is like the extreme of like what could happen to someone in the circus. 00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.279 And then Pomney is more like average. 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:22.000 Like, for example, early on she kind of leaves Ragatha behind to save her own neck, and she does feel bad about that, but she doesn't know these people either. 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:24.799 So I feel like, yeah, that's more realistic. 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:32.000 Like, she's not intentionally hurting anyone, but she's also like doesn't know what's going on or if this is even real and just wants to save herself. 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:38.319 Well that's the normal response to like like that's probably what I would have done at first sight to like see if you could get out. 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:39.039 That's what I would have done. 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:41.759 Yeah, like well, you're not a person, you're a freaking ragdoll. 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.640 I I gotta I gotta get out of this crazy place. 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:55.519 And then I think Ragatha I like Ragatha, but she's like she's super, super nice, and I think that's her personality is trying really hard trying really hard to be nice, and that's a flaw. 00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.920 But I do think it's it's a little bit unrealistic. 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:08.400 She seems too much of a people to be like to keep to keep up that really, really nice um personality in this kind of situation. 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:14.160 Um and then Zubel just kind of like doesn't care anymore about Zubul. 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:15.119 Oh, I like Zubul. 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:15.839 I really don't like Zoom. 00:33:15.920

--> 00:33:20.720 I think Zubel just like stopped caring a long time ago, but she does still care about people or they. 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:29.440 But basically with Zubal, I think they are they still care about people, like they care about their friends, but they don't care about anything else anymore. 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.759 So that's more realistic, and then Gangle is like always sad, so that's really realistic. 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:50.319 And then I shouldn't really fault Ragatha because that's like a good thing if she can keep her nice personality, but I think it works I like Kinger a lot more because he when he's not being really kind and gentle, he's just like has amnesia and is acting really weird. 00:33:50.720 --> 00:34:03.839 But it's almost like he's so he's seen so much that he's realized that the most important thing that you can do with your existence is to be kind to people because they're all going through something. 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:11.440 And maybe Ragatha Ragatha's been there longer than anyone else other than Kinger, so maybe that's why she's so nice. 00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:21.039 I'm not trying to say this is like a bad thing about Ragatha, I just think it's a little bit like surprising, and there are other characters, so I think yeah, that makes a lot more sense to me. 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.960 I think Pomney could be more interesting for sure, but I still like her. 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:38.719 It might be that I also really like her design, and I like that she's just like a normal person stuck in this weird situation, but I do think that Jax and Kinger and even Zubel and Gangle are more interesting. 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:44.960 And then Ragatha is is nice, but I I can't she's a little bit interesting, but I don't think she's as interesting as the other characters. 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:46.719 No, Ragatha. 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:47.920 Ragatha, yeah. 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:48.480 I don't know. 00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:50.159 Again Gangle is kind of funny to me. 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.320 Like I like Gangle and like a example. 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.760 She's so like she's just always sad and then her mask breaks all the time. 00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:02.880 And I don't mean that I think it's funny that she's always sad, but like her character, like the situation she ends up in is funny to me. 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:08.400 I'd almost say Gangle is like the second best at coping with the situation, other than Kinger. 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.400 Like it's crying all the time. 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.960 Well, it seems like yeah, she just accepts the I don't know. 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:14.559 Do you mean Gangle or Zubil? 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:15.280 Gangle. 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:15.679 Really? 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:16.559 She just accepts it? 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:17.920 She's really sad. 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.760 Like yes, but like she it seems like that's her character though. 00:35:22.000

--> 00:35:27.599 Like the She can't help but be sad because of her m her comedy mask breaking. 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.119 Harshly, but I think she's probably a bit sad, but like I don't know. 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:36.000 The others, their coping mechanisms almost don't seem as healthy other than like Kinger, obviously. 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:54.960 Well, I think Ragatha, despite being the second longest person there, second to Kinger, she's more she's still fairly immature, kind of, because she's like trying so hard to please everybody and worried about and like maybe being a bit too controlling upon me and stuff. 00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:04.159 Whereas I think Zubal, and I know you said you didn't like Zubal that much, but I think Zubal is like Kinger in that they're more mature than the others. 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:05.119 Uh I don't know. 00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:10.639 I don't know if Zubal seem she seems like almost a little bit more immature than the others. 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:11.280 Really? 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.039 I don't know if in my in my personal opinion. 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:22.320 Well not like you mean the way they're always like avoiding the She's always just like I don't know, she seems more vi verbally violent, like angry all the time. 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:26.639 Yeah, but not like at people, just at Kane. 00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:36.880 Or or just in like just part of her personality, but yeah, but then they're like always like trying to help people at the end of the day, I think. 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:37.440 I think so. 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:38.000 That's it. 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:40.719 So that's that's what I really appreciate about Zobel. 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:46.719 I also like when they put all the arms so they can carry four guns at once. 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:47.360 That was cool. 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:48.400 That was neat. 00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:50.639 Yeah, that was probably one of my favorite episodes. 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:51.920 They all get guns. 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:58.960 I love I love how Kinger is like a actually really good with a gun. 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:08.239 And it was fun to see Jackson Pomney as Chaotic Evil, but of course it ends badly, but it was a really cool episode, and it made me want to play laser tag or something. 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:14.480 No, we need a digital circus style laser tag building. 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:15.360 We need that. 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.119 I would so go to that. 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.320 You know, in Japan there's like digital circus restaurants. 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:21.679 What already? 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:22.480 Oh my goodness. 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.119 Jack's pancakes and palney burgers. 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.599 I'm gonna have to go to Japan, guys. 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.840 I I would I'm really jealous of of the drinks and food there. 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.679 It looks really good, actually. 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.880 But conclusion. 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.440 What are our final thoughts on the show? 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:45.039 Bonus points if you can imagine what kind of character you'd end up as if you got stuck in the digital circus. 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.519 My headcanon is that you would be like like a sheepdog or something. 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:57.760 No, actually, I just said that because okay, there was already like a dog character, the first abstraction, scratch, right? 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:03.599 But I'm trying to think of what you would be, because like no offense, but your beard is really scruffy right now. 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.000 Uh I need to get rid of this thing. 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.320 Your facial Just imagine me without it. 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:09.599 Okay, forget that. 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:15.920 Personality-wise, what would you be if you were a weird 90s CGI thing? 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.360 I feel like I would be. 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.800 I would definitely be wanting to get the heck out of there. 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.480 Yeah, but what kind of character do you think you would manifest as? 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:29.039 Like of these of the groups? 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:30.880 Maybe like a cartoon elephant. 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:31.119 Oh. 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:32.400 Like a top hat. 00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:39.280 I feel no, I feel like I would most definitely be some kind of lizard of some kind. 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:40.079 I don't know why. 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:40.960 A lizard. 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:42.320 Actually, I could see that. 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.920 And then apparently there was a frog character beforehand, Rivet. 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:48.079 So you would like fit right in there somewhere. 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:49.119 Something like that. 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.239 I feel like I would be something A rabbit? 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:59.440 I would kind of want to be like a weird little animal character, or like a weird cartoon thing, like uh Pomney is like this gesture character. 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.679 Oh yeah, no, so something like that. 00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:08.079 Like maybe some kind of like old 1930s cartoon character, sort of like Oswald the Rabbit or something. 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:14.880 Or like uh Mickey Mouse, Felix the Cat, like some kind of little rubber hose looking thing. 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:16.639 I feel like that's what I would be. 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:17.679 Probably. 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:21.119 Um, and if if I was an animal, I don't know. 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:26.079 Maybe I don't want to say a bunny because then Jax is a bunny, but he's like very different for a bunny. 00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:27.679 Like, no, yeah, there's different designs. 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:29.360 He's like the least bunny. 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:34.559 He's the least like a real bunny out of all the cartoon bunnies. 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.679 No, I

really like Jax's is probably my favorite design. 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:41.119 I do really like Jax's design and Pommy's design, they're my favorite. 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:45.440 I also like uh Gangle's design with her body being ribbons. 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:46.960 Very creative. 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:50.079 And she can somehow fill out the manager's uniform. 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:54.880 I don't know how, if they just inflated it or what, but final thoughts on the show. 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:55.840 I really like it. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.519 It got so popular so quickly. 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:00.239 Oh, uh out of ten? 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:00.960 Well, not yet. 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:02.159 Okay, well, wait, wait. 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:05.280 Okay, so I was there when the first when the pilot dropped. 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.880 So I watched it kind of right before it became insanely popular. 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:22.960 And I'm glad I did because I have a problem, and it's totally a bias of mine, but but when something gets insanely popular and everyone in their mom is telling me I have to watch it, it makes me want to never watch it. 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:37.760 And that's happened with a lot of things, like for example, my hero academia, I never really picked it up again because everyone couldn't shut up about it, and they were all saying different things, and I didn't know what to think, and it was very overwhelming, and I never finished it. 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:46.559 Um, but I watched Demon Slayer before it blew up, and now I just keep watching it, and so but the people are like, Oh, you don't watch popular things? 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:47.599 Well, what about Demon Slayer? 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:53.519 I'm like, well, that's the thing, it wasn't popular when I started, and now I don't care if it's popular because I like it already. 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:59.519 I already liked it by then, but I don't want to watch something just because it's popular, if that makes sense. 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:07.119 So I'm glad I watched Digital Circus before it became like over 400 million views or whatever. 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.960 I like it better than some of the other glitch productions so far. 00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.280 I didn't like murder drones that much. 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.119 It was too it wasn't bad, per se. 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:19.280 I'm gonna make myself sound like a wimp. 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:34.960 It was a bit too dark for me, but in especially in the tone, like how the show treats violence as kind of like normal or like a joke, like characters dying all the time and it's nobody cares that it happened in the show. 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.840 At least with like minor characters or whatever. 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:44.400 So I would that just rubbed me the wrong way, where I'm kinda like, okay, well then who am I supposed to care about then? 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.480 And why am I only supposed

to care about like certain deaths? 00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:53.519 Like, I don't know, it's just kind of the tone is kind of a bit mean, I think. 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:59.840 Like uh at least that's how I felt, but it was still like well animated and stuff. 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.639 I just didn't really like the characters that much. 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:10.880 They were all kind of like I mean it's the show is called Murder Drones, so I guess they were all just kind of murdering each other and I didn't like it. 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:18.639 But uh I did really like I like a gaslight district so far, but it's too early to say much about that one. 00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:20.480 Same with Knights of Guinevere. 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:24.159 Uh I really like Game Averse, so actually I think I'm gonna like that one. 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.360 But yeah, so far Digital Circus is my favorite. 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.679 Um, I think I like it better than Meta Runner 2, but I liked MetaRunner. 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:38.559 Um out of 10, I maybe give it a I don't wanna like overhype it, but I do really enjoy it. 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.360 So like seven or eight. 00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:42.079 That's fair. 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.280 Yeah, because it's not like the best thing I've ever seen, but I really enjoy it. 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.519 I especially like the unique look of it. 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.039 It's super awesome. 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.559 I miss 90s CGI sometimes. 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.800 It's just nostalgic. 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.360 It looks awful and yet it's kind of comforting. 00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:58.000 I don't know. 00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:58.800 I love it. 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.119 It just yeah, it looks like home. 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:02.960 I like old cartoons. 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:05.840 And how about you? 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:08.159 My thoughts on it. 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:15.679 So, this is coming from a perspective of watching it when it was already blew up, so I had I didn't have high expectations at all. 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:21.599 You came into it very cynic in it with a cynical mindset because you're like, oh yeah, this is what everyone can't shut up about. 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:22.400 I know, right? 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.039 It's like this is what all the rage is about. 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.320 And I it didn't ruin it for me, because again, I said I ended up liking it more than I thought I would. 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:38.239 Because it kind of saved itself as the episodes can't went by, because the first two were a bit boring, uh, but it's kind of warming you up to the world. 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:43.840 So then it as the episodes go by, I start to like it more because there's character development and interesting things are happening. 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:55.280 So yeah, like the whole story itself was is the idea is great, the story was good, not anything amazing,

but good uh so far. 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:57.519 I can't wait to see the last episode. 00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.360 But yeah, Jack's my My favorite character probably. 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:03.679 Uh Kinger is a great guy too. 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.639 And then Kane is obviously uh I love Kane because he's funny. 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.639 I also really like Bubble, like completely. 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:10.239 I forgot to mention Bubble. 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:12.400 Apparently Bubble is a beach party. 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.880 I thought Bubble was a a girl, but I guess it's a guy, although it's played. 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:18.960 Bubble is played by a girl, I think. 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.159 But Bubble has is such a troll. 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:22.960 He's great. 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:25.920 Bubble has some of the best lines to quote. 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.000 By the way, we said the show is very quotable. 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:29.840 Let's prove it by quoting something. 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:31.599 You're convoluted. 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:35.280 Welcome back, my mewing milkmaid. 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.199 Don't ever call us that again. 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:38.559 I forgot he said that. 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:39.199 That's terrible. 00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.599 Well, this is some inconvenient lore placement. 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:43.039 Oh, I love that line. 00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:44.400 That one's probably my line. 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.400 Kangar has some really great lines. 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:52.400 Like, out of nowhere, my husband started mumbling, like, you are definitely not finding my sunken treasure. 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.719 I'm the one that tells lies. 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:58.880 Dude, you ruined it. 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:05.440 So, yeah, you're probably gonna remember a lot of the silly random things that people say on this show. 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:06.320 Exactly. 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.559 So there are some funny parts about it. 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:23.840 I will say, and like maybe I'll get hate for this, but like I will say, I don't personally think like it's it's famous regardless of what I'm gonna say here, but I don't think it deserves to be as famous as it is, in my opinion. 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:30.800 I think it just it seems like it's I don't know, it just it blew up, and then everyone's saying it's much better than it actually is. 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:32.960 But I guess we'll have to see the final episode. 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:38.880 But Well, do you think that it's it's famous because it's popular because it's different? 00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:41.840 Uh it very well could be. 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:43.280 I think it is. 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:52.800 Even if it's not like the greatest thing you've ever seen, even if people act like it's the greatest thing they've ever seen, that doesn't mean that it isn't popular because it's just different than anything on

the market right now. 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.000 That probably is why why it blew up is because it is different. 00:45:56.239 --> 00:46:02.079 But and I guess I just didn't love the difference, so that's why I was like, I don't think it like why is it this popular? 00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:03.360 But it that is a fair point. 00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:05.679 I don't think you have to love it or anything. 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:13.840 I think that's why it's popular, but then also because it is easily accessible, it's on YouTube, and because kids watch YouTube. 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:14.639 Mm-hmm. 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:15.039 Exactly. 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:15.440 That's it. 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:17.679 They say they say this TV show isn't for kids. 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.920 I can guarantee you half the audience is kids. 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.840 A lot of kids watch this show despite it not being for kids. 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.960 However, I would rather them watch this than Hasman Hotel. 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.280 That's just I'm I'm to that. 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.719 I'm this is so much more timid. 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:38.639 Uh I shouldn't say timid, but like it is a lot classier and more subdued than Hasbin Hotel. 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:49.199 Like if your kid is watching this, I will have a lot more respect for you than if they're watching Hasm Hotel just saying, or Hell of a Boss, which is even more out there than Has been Hotel. 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:55.440 And not to like hate on either of those, but the content in there is not appropriate for kids for sure. 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.559 Um, and yeah, just circling back, I guess. 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:00.000 Oh boy, let me gather my thoughts. 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:00.880 Out of ten. 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.159 Uh well, one thing I'll mention again. 00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.679 For me, what I consider a good show is that I would re-watch it again. 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.599 And I would a hundred percent re-watch this again. 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.840 I was gonna say, like, we've been having fun watching it, so I would rewatch it with it. 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:15.440 I would definitely re-watch it. 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:24.719 So, and again, this may sound harsh, but like, for it to be not good, it has to be like for me, it has to be below below five, like five or below. 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.719 So, I'd give this a six, a solid six or six and a half out of ten. 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:30.400 That's not bad. 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.079 But it's not amazing, it's not horrible by any means. 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:35.119 It's it's good. 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.119 It's it's lovable. 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:38.480 Yeah, I'd actually say that. 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:39.920 Yeah, lovable characters in it. 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:45.519 I especially love some of the random adventures they go on in the random NPCs they meet. 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.719 Are

that's some of the most fun parts of the show for me. 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:54.079 What was that giant like chocolate monster from the I'm the Fudge. 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:55.440 I'm the Fudge. 00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.199 He is like, is it really murder if it's delicious? 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:03.360 They literally just dipped on him as that thing's devouring the kingdom. 00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:07.679 Yeah, they dipped that was kind of awful, but at the same time. 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:08.800 Oh, that's hilarious. 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:09.440 I love that. 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:14.559 I I don't want to agree with Jax, but at the same time it's these aren't M VCs, they're not real. 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:23.760 When we think of Gumikoo, we're like, oh no, but they have feelings, but they're still not real, so it's uh yeah, it's a it's a toughie. 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:29.119 Anyways, um that was our episode about the Amazing Digital Circus. 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:34.320 I don't know if I'll touch base again on the or if we'll touch base again on the last episode. 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:36.239 That depends how much there is to talk about. 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.360 Yeah, do you have any idea what we're doing next month, Lyndon? 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:41.840 Not at this particular moment. 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:47.360 It could be anything from anime to uh movie series, depending, but how about a little preview? 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:51.039 Are we do do you think we'll be doing Death Note before Lord of the Rings? 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:51.599 Oh, 100%. 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.320 Lord of the Rings one probably won't be done for another very two years. 00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:56.320 I am almost on the first book though. 00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:59.840 Yes, keep it up, keep up, but we are also almost on Death Note. 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:01.599 So yeah, I guess keep an eye out on the book. 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:08.960 I am actually trying to finish the Devil May Cry games so that I can so that I can talk about it because I really want to talk about it. 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:12.639 But I I don't want to do it until I've properly experienced all of it. 00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.679 But then the problem is then you have to like actually play it. 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:22.000 But I'm getting better, I'm getting faster at it, so I'll I'll touch base with everybody when I am finished. 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:26.000 And if Lyndon has not played all the games, that will make him watch all the cutscenes. 00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:27.840 Oh, trust me, I already have. 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:29.280 Yeah, oh yeah. 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.000 Okay, well I'll I'll hold you to that. 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:42.159 You can follow us on YouTube at Tailtrail underscore podcasts or the tailtrail podcast, and we have a Discord server just called the TailTrail Server. 00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:44.719 The link is in the YouTube description. 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:52.960 I also post sometimes post uh previews of it or updates on my own Instagram, which is at Sharose49. 00:49:53.280 --> 00:50:02.719 That's where you can find us online, but we're not all over the place, we mostly just like watching shows and hanging out, so anyways, thank you for listening. 00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:05.920 We should have like a digital circus themed outro this time. 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.960 Hmm, what what would it be then? 00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:12.079 You just like Don't forget who's running the show, okay. 00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:14.239 Horrible, horrible. 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:15.519 It could have been better. 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:17.760 You all are my playthings. 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.039 No abstracting piece by