บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Doing Difficult Things | Giselle Moor - One Small Step Forward

00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:32.879 I loved our office was open plan, and there were so many people and so many characters in general. 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:38.319 I feel like everyone there was a little bit weird and had a little bit of a personality about them. 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:44.639 So I just love the fact that you could go and meet all these people and like chat at each other's desks, and yeah. 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:50.240 I would just say a bought more of the same weird energy that a lot of other people had in that building as well. 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:55.519 We work so much in the UK that that is who you spend all of your time with. 00:04:55.759 --> 00:05:00.399 And there's that party after work vibe culture that you get in London as well. 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:05.680 So you really are like going in at 9 a.m., spending your entire day with someone and then getting drunk with them after work. 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:20.720 It's the perfect recipe to build these bonds that exist outside the Uggy Brown building, the type of people that were there in general, and that it that weirdness and kookiness and loudness, and you were allowed to come to work, hungover. 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:26.160 All of those little things contributed for you to be able to be your weird self with everyone else. 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.480 And I think that allowed people to show up like who they were, really. 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:37.199 And so you're building bonds and relationships based on like your true character, not this fake work persona. 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:41.279 I think that's a lot of it actually, is everyone was who they were in that office. 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:43.600 Yes, that's interesting. 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.800 People could be themselves rather than going away persona. 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.639 I thought that it also made it easier to ask questions and contribute. 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.279 Everyone was involved in everything, weren't they? 00:05:53.680 --> 00:06:08.959 Yeah, and I loved like the fact that you could just go up to someone's desk and ask them a question, and it didn't even matter if it was the director or someone lower down, like there was that kind of freedom, and you felt like you had a voice there what drawing that. 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.879 We always refer to it as like the golden, the golden period a little bit. 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:17.920 But either yeah, it was a the most fantastic place to have like a first career in fashion as well. 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:22.399 So while you're a Tebaker, you experienced what you called your sliding doors moment. 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:25.600 Can you take us back to that day and what happened? 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:51.120 So I went to the racetrack on we'd actually had like someone's work hen work baby shower on the Thursday, and I remember being at work on the Friday, absolutely hanging, and then grabbed my suitcase and went to the racetrack for the weekend, and then just had an accident on the motorbike where the bike flipped backwards, and it was all very sudden, it was very quick, and I ended up becoming disabled from that accident. 00:06:51.680 --> 00:07:02.959 And at the time, me and my partner that had also met at work were just together for six months, and all of a sudden, we're like in Cambridge, I'm going in for major surgery. 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:14.399 I don't really understand like the severity of what's happened, and then yeah, wake up and kind of thus the next chapter of my life kind of began. 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:23.920 And I would say I was in Cambridge for like the acute hospital, basically, for around five weeks. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:39.040 And then I was moved to a spinal rehab unit in Sheffield, which is where you really focus on recovery, recovery, walking, and getting to a place where you can go back into like your home and integrate back into life as a wheelchair user. 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:44.800 So that was around five months in total that that kind of whole period happened. 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.800 But even at that moment in time, I was still going back to work. 00:07:48.959 --> 00:08:05.680 So I went back to work before I'd even been discharged from hospital to talk about like going back to work because I knew that I had to get back to real life as soon as possible to be able to kind of mentally deal with the challenges of navigating what had happened. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.680 No, nobody can be prepared for that. 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.160 Do you got any friends who are disabled? 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:17.839 No, I think I knew of one wheelchair user before my injury because he was at the racetrack as well. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:23.279 He was an amputee, but that's my only ever kind of exposure to someone with a disability. 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:30.480 And then when I was in hospital, they would always be like, Don't worry, you're gonna get to Sheffield and you're gonna meet so many young people. 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:32.799 Like, there's so many young people that have your entropy. 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:35.440 You're gonna meet loads of friends. 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:40.799 And I was the youngest person in hospital by like 15 years, I would say. 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:43.519 So I was really isolated when I was in Sheffield. 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:46.879 I had no one around me that was my age, no one to talk to. 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.360 And Instagram is a fantastic thing. 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:53.600 Like, thank God I had Instagram to be able to find and seek other people. 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:59.600 But even now, I would say my community of people with disabilities is really quite small. 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:06.559 I have my handsome foundation back in the UK, and I feel like that's that's all I need. 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:16.559 I have those guys there, but no, my community of people with disabilities is isn't that big, and I don't have

a lot of friends that are going through the same thing as me. 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:25.600 Were there a point where when you've gone back to work, you're just about, I I want to do something different now. 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:34.320 Oh, I have got the exact moment in time that that happened, which is the Pantone, the green t-shirt pantone conversation. 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:39.120 So we are looking at the new collection for the very first time. 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:45.840 And there's a conversation going on around a po a men's polo top and what colour shade of car key it would be. 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.720 I mean, this conversation is going on like maybe between three different green pantones. 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:56.399 And I just I remember it like dropped in, and I was like, I'm I'm done with this. 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.720 Like this is not, this is not for me anymore. 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:11.039 And from there, obviously, then began the work because deciding not to do something is one thing, but then deciding what you're gonna do instead is a whole different game altogether. 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:18.480 So for me, the penny dropped there, and then it was really a case of like figuring out what I was gonna do instead of that. 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:25.840 Did you just leave work or did you actually just go like I need six months to get my head straight? 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:34.960 Oh, I so I went back to work in the 2019 January. 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:40.480 I think the penny must have dropped a year later in 2020, and then COVID happened. 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:49.200 So I was given a really fortunate position of furlough in a really hot London summer to go sit in the park and to think about everything. 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:52.799 And it was kind of then that I was like, I want to, I always knew I wanted to travel. 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:59.919 That has always been on the radar, but I was like, actually, this is still going to be a thing that I need to I need to figure out how to do it. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.240 And I also kind of decided on life coaching. 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.639 So I trained to become a life coach over that period of time as well. 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:11.519 But I didn't leave a stable career until we went traveling a hole 18 months later. 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.080 How was your early years in life coaching? 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.879 I coaching pretty quickly. 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:23.679 I think I'd confused what I wanted to do with that. 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:25.279 That's what coaching was. 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:29.919 And the more I did it, the more I kind of there was a lot of friction. 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.279 It just felt unnatural and I didn't really understand it. 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:50.799 And then somewhere along the way, I just kind of realised and I was like, or admitted that the money I'd spent had to be kind of almost treated as like this isn't going to be

what I like, you know, and they say you didn't flog a dead horse, had to kind of admit that it wasn't for me, and then started the speaking, and that's when everything started to make sense. 00:11:50.879 --> 00:12:00.159 And I was like, oh, this is how I'm supposed to do what I'm supposed to do, not by asking an individual questions, but by sharing my experiences. 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:01.200 Right. 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:01.840 Okay. 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:08.720 So you go on the stage, we are nervous, and am not the rest of us. 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:23.039 I think yes, the first time I was definitely nervous, but it's more someone said frame it like this, like they're not paying you for your experience in speaking, they're paying you for your story and everything that you've collected along the way. 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:34.159 And that completely transformed everything because at the end of the day, like you can be an incredible speaker, but if you don't have something to deliver, like you know, that's not the point. 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:40.000 So I kind of always reframe it like it's my story that I'm being booked for, and that's what people want to hear. 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:42.240 And then it kind of just removes a bit of the fear. 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:56.080 I still get nervous, so I think it's a lot easier to talk about yourself and something you've lived than the theory and hey, I know everything about sales, you know, you know everything about yourself, so it's more reassuring. 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:57.519 Yeah, exactly. 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.840 How wrong can you really go if you're just chatting breeze about youth? 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:03.279 Yes, exactly. 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:04.399 I made a living of that. 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.120 Like you'd always wanted to go around the world. 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:08.559 Where did you end up going? 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:19.840 We went to South America for seven months, and then went home for a brief period, and then Southeast Asia for six months because I'd always got it in my head. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.000 If I'm traveling, it has to be a year. 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:23.679 Like I'm not doing less. 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:28.240 If we're quitting our jobs, putting everything in the Arctic, we have to make it worthwhile. 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:32.399 So a year was always the like the go-to. 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:37.039 A year is too long, I have to say, for backpacking, like it's just too long. 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:42.320 But yeah, it was the most incredible experience ever, but it was really, really hard. 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:49.120 And I don't think I anticipated how challenging travelling with a wheelchair or backpacking in general was going to be. 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.799 Yeah, what were you some of some of your favourite places that you went to? 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.840 When is there's un unreal. 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:59.279 Like the party scene,

because I was still I love to dance. 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:01.120 Uh, the party scene is just incredible. 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:02.320 The food was amazing. 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:06.960 So Buenos Aires is really, really kind of like I would recommend to anyone to go. 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:15.120 And then I really enjoyed Bolivia because it's it felt like you were going, it really felt like a different culture. 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:22.639 And that was the whole point of why I wanted to go away was not to go to all of these Western places, but to actually see another world. 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.360 And some of it really felt like dystopian and different. 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:29.600 So yeah, it was those two I would say in South America, especially. 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:31.120 Where are you living now? 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:38.639 We are now in Sydney, Australia, because if you've already blown up your life and done all the hard bit, why not just keep going and do something different? 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.759 You've just completed your fifth marathon. 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:42.639 Is that correct? 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:44.559 Yes, that is correct. 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:52.399 I have done five marathons, only London and Sydney, but like repeated those ones. 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:57.440 And I did Sydney two weeks ago, and I just love how they make me feel. 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:58.960 I love the vibe of the day. 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:08.399 Like it's just good humour coming together to do something really hard, and then a load of other good humans meeting them with banners and signs and support. 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:11.600 So I just like I just love the day. 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:17.200 And for me, it's a really it's they just something I picked up and I was like, this fits me. 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:18.720 I love this, I'm gonna keep going. 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:25.360 I'm running has been really helpful for like my mindset and kind of reminding me that I can do difficult things. 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:31.679 I think that if someone's done one and they're signing up for a second, they they stopping. 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:47.279 I think I've always loved a physical challenge and I've always loved to push myself in uncomfortable situations, and I never really knew how that looked or what I never really had time for that because I was so busy like going out and partying in London. 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:53.600 So coming over to Australia, you can be whoever you want to be, and you've got all this time and space to fill with different things. 00:15:53.759 --> 00:16:00.639 So I think that allowed me to lean into it, and that's just kind of yeah, the thing I decided was for me. 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.000 What's work look like for you these days? 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.600 I'm building something, as I guess a lot of us are. 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:23.759 I'm building my profile as a speaker because as shared, I've got quite a story and I want to be able to encourage and motivate and inspire other people to go and do whatever their thing is as well. 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:28.399 So work for me is very much nine to five stability. 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:36.559 Someone told me to look at my role as like they're my investors so that they are investing in me so that I can go and do what I want to do. 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:40.320 And again, perfect reframe because it helps you log on in the morning. 00:16:40.399 --> 00:17:08.400 Uh but I yeah, have my nine to five, and then obviously it's all about like speaking, podcasts, showing up in spaces, which I think is quite new to me that didn't feel like work, but that really is a lot of the work is like being out there and doing what I'm doing with my wheelchair and kind of challenging perspectives that way alongside kind of in front of a corporate business. 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.880 They have to go hand in hand a little bit. 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:12.559 What about the impact? 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:17.440 Have you had people that have really been impacted by what you've said before? 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:23.839 Yeah, I mean, I don't like to make people cry, but if I've made cry, I'm like, perfect. 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:30.000 Just because that's how emotion, that's how change happens and that's how what resonates the most. 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:37.680 Like if I plead, if I've appealed to a human emotion, then the work is done because that's how they're gonna think differently. 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:53.039 And for me, it is just like if I can encourage one person to go and do the thing that they want to do, that they've been sat on, or if that seed is like planted and then it grows a little bit while I've been talking, I mean it's like that. 00:17:53.680 --> 00:18:04.799 That is ultimately why, again, speaking works for me a bit easier than coaching, because you can do that on a broader scale and you can have wider appeal to the seeds. 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:06.559 So if that makes any sense. 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:39.759 And it's not about the running and it's not about the medal, it's about what it makes you feel and how that alone will probably transpire into so much more of other goals and other ideas, because if you do that and you do that hard thing and you prove to yourself that you can do that, then only other things come from it. 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:50.480 Having been in the able-bodied and disabled world as well, the the differences you find being in public or networking groups and and how that can affect you. 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:52.240 I really struggle with it. 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:59.200 I think a bar setting in general is by nature somewhere where you want to be able to stand up. 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.559 Like I can't even hold a drink and push a wheelchair. 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:08.400 So I'm already a bit like caught up and flustered in that whole action. 00:19:08.640 -->

00:19:17.119 So it's like you have to be stationary, but then you can't do the same kind of like moving around and mingling, and this is something I that's who I was. 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:23.519 Like to stand and just hold a drink and breeze between groups and just like mingle and have these conversations. 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:25.920 That's now something that I really struggle with. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:32.559 And at networking events as well, if there's loads of chairs or loads people, or the music's really loud and I'm lower down. 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.759 So I'm constantly like looking up and hearing that. 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:39.759 I just find it really quite unnatural. 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:55.119 And I have thought about this a lot because by its nature, if you want to build something, you've got to go out and you've got a network, but it's really not set up for people with disabilities, particularly people in wheelchairs, because of the settings. 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:58.559 So it kind of does make it that little bit harder. 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:00.319 Yeah, absolutely. 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:07.200 And what about when everyone's in a group and then they're sort of standing talking and we're all expressive and and waving our arms? 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:15.920 Do you feel like it's all you is your space is invaded, or people could do better to understand from maybe your point of view? 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:22.160 I guess from me, that was the arms waving uh is less of a thing. 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:39.920 I think people hold their drinks and they have a chat, but there is an element, I mean, as a wheelchair user, there's a big element about the hype distance, and people will sometimes pull up a chair and sit next to me and we'll have a really nice chat, but then it doesn't allow the nature of the flowing of like I'm gonna go talk to another person. 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:48.720 It just kind of the dynamic of what those environments is a little bit harder for me to like do with ease, basically. 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:59.839 So I think that's more the issues I have than rather than like hands in face, but I think it's just kind of understanding what that individual just ask the individual. 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:00.640 Do you know what I mean? 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:05.359 If you're chatting to someone, be like, oh, would you rather have pulled up a chair or like people crouch? 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:13.519 And I'm like, please don't do that because I feel incredibly awkward knowing how uncomfortable you are crouching on the floor. 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.240 So I'm like, please just like stand up, it's fine. 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:20.319 Sometimes believing in yourself does mean you can beat yourself up a bit. 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:23.119 Are you one of those or do you have compassion for yourself? 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:23.920 No. 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:27.759 I am absolutely one of those. 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:37.039 I feel like anyone that's an overachiever, really ambitious, has all these dreams, has a lot of self-belief, can be so self-critical because we hold ourselves to this impossible standard. 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.160 And I spent my whole life holding myself to the impossible standard. 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:50.160 So this year has really been about a lot of self-love, self-trust, self-like kindness, and also being like, you're doing something wildly out of your comfort zone. 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.279 It's not gonna feel nice at times, and that's okay. 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.960 Like, you know, I'm doing a little bit of parenting this year to me. 00:21:57.359 --> 00:21:58.000 Love that. 00:21:58.160 --> 00:21:58.799 Self-parenting. 00:21:58.880 --> 00:21:59.680 I've never heard of that. 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:00.000 Yeah. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.960 Have compassion for yourself and you'll you'll have it for others. 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:05.920 I think that is a more realistic way to travel. 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:06.319 Yeah. 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:07.920 What is your one golden nugget? 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:27.119 My one golden nugget is get off the sofa or the seat or the table and go and do whatever the thing, what is the seed, and go and take one tiny action from it because like that's how it all begins, and I just have like I I will scream it till I'm blowing the face, basically. 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.000 Just the little tiny baby step forwards, that's it. 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:31.599 Giselle has spoken. 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:32.799 Thank you, Giselle. 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:38.480 For you're showing us the one life-changing moment doesn't define the whole life that follows. 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:40.799 So it's been a pleasure, and I thank you for coming on. 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:42.480 Thank you so much for having me. 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:43.359 I've loved the chat. 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:50.240 If Giselle's story has made you smile, think, or see something different, please share it with someone who needs to hear it. 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:56.319 Join David and his incredible guests next time on the Success Nuggets Podcast. 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.759 And to find out more, visit one golden nugget dot com. 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:02.640 Thank you for listening.