บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ The Question Laura Was Afraid To Ask Kim Kardashian (And Her Surprising Response)

thing and I just tell you much like a boyfriend this fringe lets me down every day It's never there when I need it. 00:02:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, and yet you've never bailed on it. That's true love. I know. We're in such a toxic relationship. Yeah, why? Why? Because I have a big forehead and I can't be seen. Just embrace having a big forehead. It's fine. I know, but yours is nice anyway. Mine's big. I said I wouldn't tuck my hair in. This is the kind of discourse the Spillers tuned in for, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:02:42 Speaker 1: So it came through that we could talk to four of the main stars of All's Fair two weeks ago. On a bright and beautiful Friday morning early, which is when I'm at my best slash worst because I'm not a morning person, I really kind of get good about 5 o'clock and I get pretty good about 7 p.m. and I'm just at my absolute best at about 10 p.m. 00:03:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. 00:03:02 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, no one ever gets to see that because that's not our working hours. So yes, interviewed them on a light and bright Friday morning. And why I was particularly interested to do this interview is that this podcast in particular has a long history with this show that's in its second season. For anyone who hasn't watched All's Fair, it premiered last year on Disney Plus in Australia. And it's a Ryan Murphy production. As you know, I am a big fan of Ryan Murphy. I love everything from Glee to American Horror Story, my fave. 00:03:32 Speaker 2: Love story, all the bits and pieces. 00:03:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a big Ryan Murphy girl. I'm less so, but I'm a Gleek. Proudly so. 00:03:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:03:39 Speaker 4: Gleeks. And you know what? 00:03:41 Speaker 1: If he'd just given us Glee, and some people would say if he'd just given us Nip, Tuck and Glee, he would have been set. But then we've had all these other incredible shows as well. So the origin story of All's Fair, which I'm super across, because as I said, I feel like I've been part of this show since I started. 00:03:54 Speaker 2: I think you're like its number one advocate. Yeah, I wouldn't say advocate. 00:03:58 Speaker 1: I had some feedback for season one, which apparently they've taken on from me and the world. 00:04:04 Speaker 2: So we'll get into that. But it came about. 00:04:07 Speaker 1: When Ryan Murphy met with Kim Kardashian and her mummager Kris Jenner a few years ago. And it was when Kim was sort of getting into acting a bit more. And this is how Ryan Murphy has told the story and said it like at the world premiere of All's Fair last year is that he had this idea to kind of hook a new different reality show of Kim Kardashian and kind of like really chronicle her journey of becoming a lawyer because that's something that she's been like doing very publicly the last couple of years. And so he talks about the fact that he went to meet with Kim and Chris and he started pitching this reality show about her being a lawyer and

like the glam side of it and all this sorts of stuff. And he's like, I knew that I'd lost Kim in the first like two minutes of my pitch because she just picked out her phone and started texting. 00:04:52 Speaker 2: And he's like, and that's how you know you've lost her. 00:04:54 Speaker 3: So rude. 00:04:55 Speaker 1: I know. And it just goes to show that you can be Ryan Murphy and you can like have all these hit TV shows spanning like well over a decade. And you can still go into a pitch meeting and absolutely bomb it. 00:05:06 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:05:07 Speaker 2: And with Kim K, who had never acted before. Like, that's crazy. Yeah, exactly. And so apparently. 00:05:12 Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry. 00:05:12 Speaker 2: She'd made some cameos. 00:05:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:05:14 Speaker 2: But she wasn't a star. 00:05:16 Speaker 1: She started doing some acting, like, weirdly just before the Kardashians took off. 00:05:20 Speaker 2: Like, that TV show. 00:05:22 Speaker 1: Beyond the Brick with Felix from One Tree Hill, who's in that one season. And then she was, yeah, mostly reality TV and a few little. 00:05:30 Speaker 2: Movie cameos and TV cameos here and there. 00:05:33 Speaker 1: And so apparently Kris Jenner then kind of swooped in to save the meeting and she was like, why don't you write something for Kim? Like, why don't you write a character for her? Which is how she got her role as Siobhan in The American Horror Story Delicate. 00:05:45 Speaker 5: Yes. 00:05:45 Speaker 2: Where she played almost like a hyper version of Kris Jenner. Yeah, yeah. Did you watch that season? She was the talent agent for Emma Roberts, right? 00:05:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. 00:05:53 Speaker 2: I watched parts of that season, I think. I'm very in and out with AHS. No, I know, I know. 00:05:58 Speaker 1: Which is fine. 00:05:59 Speaker 2: You've got to pick your seasons to jump into. You didn't seem to be enjoying that one all that much. 00:06:03 Speaker 1: No, it wasn't my fave out of all the seasons. But I was very kind of open at the time that it wasn't, I didn't think that was Kim Kardashian's fault. 00:06:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. 00:06:11 Speaker 1: Because even Logan from Gilmore Girls was in there. And I famously love him. 00:06:15 Speaker 2: And I love Emma Roberts. And I still, that season just couldn't get it together. So it wasn't her fault. Sometimes that's okay. 00:06:21 Speaker 1: So Ryan Murphy put her in that and then he wrote this show All's Fair as like a vehicle for Kim Kardashian to have her first big leading moment and kind of hooked it on her life of like living in LA, having this like everyone she knows lives in a fabulous mansion. like they do in the TV show, like their mansions are crazy, like wearing all like the luxury clothes and the driving the cars, but then having the saga of all the, like the legal stuff going on. 00:06:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:06:49 Speaker 1: And Kim Kardashian's character in the show. So basically it's her character, Allura Grant. 00:06:55 Speaker 2: Great name. Great name. And everyone in this. 00:06:57 Speaker 1: Show has an excellent name. Everyone in the show has an excellent name. So the premise is it's Kim Kardashian as a Laura Grant. She's a defense attorney in L.A. And she has started her own law firm with Liberty Ronson, played by Naomi Watts. and Tiana Taylor, who plays their, like, legal secretary, Milan, and Niecy Nash-Betts, who plays Emerald Green, who's. 00:07:18 Speaker 2: More like an investigator. 00:07:21 Speaker 1: And their, like, ultimate enemy is this lawyer at a different law firm who they used to be friends with, but they kind of just left her behind because she's a real bitch, is the storyline. Carrington Lane, another good name, played by Sarah Paulson, who's, like, obviously, like, an American horror story, like, superstar. She's in most of the seasons. 00:07:39 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:07:40 Speaker 1: Um who like really goes to town this character and then glenn close is in it as dina standish who's like their mentor of like the good law firm yeah yeah and kim kardashian's character is kind of based on well like they have said like a lot of her is based on laura wasser who's the really famous divorce attorney who does all the big celebrity divorces um so there's like a high profile marriage in um hollywood breaking down she's at the center of it yeah she's the one everyone wants She's the one who, it's never been said, but you know how a lot of the times celebrities, when a bunch of them are getting divorced, their statements will all kind of appear on the one day or within a few days of each other. 00:08:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:08:19 Speaker 1: So that the headlines kind of get split. So no divorce in Hollywood gets a huge amount of attention. It kind of gets like severed around so that they can, yeah, so that everyone, it kind of dilutes it in a way. Like apparently she's the one who masterminds all that. 00:08:34 Speaker 5: Interesting. 00:08:35 Speaker 1: And she's handled all of Kim Kardashian's divorces so far. Just not the first one when she was 19. No, this is what Kim Kardashian said. She's like, she's done my last two divorces. And she was like, she knows more about me than anyone else. 00:08:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, cool. She's been like, the stuff she knows about me is more than like her closest friends would know, which is kind of the basis for the series. 00:08:54 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:08:55 Speaker 4: I kind of like, though, that it is someone who she has such a rich history with because I do, like, I'm not trying to shade Kim Kardashian, but acting debut in such a big role around stars is hard enough. So at least if you have someone real to draw from, like, it gives you a little bit more. 00:09:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to really. 00:09:10 Speaker 1: Admire Kim Kardashian's guts. And I know, like, that's how she got to where she is, is, like, making a splash in like taking on these, like pushing herself, taking on these big

like work projects, like being like a workaholic, like self-described. But also like imagine your first acting role, like your first lead acting role where you were the number one on the call seat, central character, and it's based on you. Imagine doing that opposite role. like a Sarah Paulson, a Glenn Close, Niecy Nash, like Naomi Watts, like all of these, like there's a lot of Oscar nominations, Emmy nominations, critically acclaimed in that whole like situation that's going on there. 00:09:48 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:09:48 Speaker 4: That the trailer for season one is still like one of the biggest spill Instagram posts ever. Yeah. And we still get likes and comments on it. And it was because it was like star studded, like a really campy drama with just like genuinely Hollywood A-list and then Kim Kardashian. 00:10:04 Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. 00:10:04 Speaker 2: Which also A-list in her own right, but had never really done something like this before. 00:10:08 Speaker 5: No. 00:10:08 Speaker 1: And I'm sure they knew that it was what was going to bring so many eyes to the project. Because it's like this whole thing, everyone just wants to see what would she be like? I've got to say, when I first saw the trailer, I was like, literally hook this to my veins. 00:10:18 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:10:19 Speaker 1: Because there's so much intrigue here. of what's going to happen. There's high pressure for an acting debut. I would like my acting debut to be opposite Glenn Powell. 00:10:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me. 00:10:27 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:10:27 Speaker 2: Because I think he has chemistry with anyone. 00:10:29 Speaker 1: Oh, sure. 00:10:30 Speaker 2: So we could make it work. Obviously, I want Lewis involved just because, as we know, I love Lewis Pullman. 00:10:33 Speaker 1: But would you pass out? So say Lewis Pullman. Sorry, Lewis Pullman. We're on a first name basis. Tina's fictional boyfriend. Side note, she's also in love with his dad, which is both creepy or endearing depending how you choose to look at that. 00:10:46 Speaker 2: I think it's endearing. 00:10:47 Speaker 1: But would you want your acting debut to be with on two men that you have a crush on? 00:10:51 Speaker 2: Wouldn't that affect your acting performance? That's what Hollywood is for. Why didn't Kim think of this? No, well, she hooks up with some hot men in the show. They all do. That's like a big part of it too. 00:11:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, but are they people she had her eye on for marriage? No, she thought Formula One for that. 00:11:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 00:11:06 Speaker 2: She went differently. 00:11:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I would want it to be opposite him or like someone like Amanda Seyfried, like someone who's going to welcome. 00:11:12 Speaker 2: You into the fold, you know? 00:11:13 Speaker 4: I love how it's either Glenn Powell or Amanda Seyfried. They're the two you're going to. Yeah, that's what I'm going for. But Kim said after Emma Roberts, let me try Naomi Watts. 00:11:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Let me see if I stack up, which is high pressure. That's high pressure. 00:11:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people do cast their crushes. I mean, look at Brett Goldstein, did it? 00:11:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. 00:11:32 Speaker 1: He had a massive crush on Jennifer Lopez for years and then he cast Rose's love interest and allegedly they're dating now. The only person in Hollywood who's been brave enough to say that filming a sex scene or a kissing scene with a hot person is actually fun. The only person who's been brave enough to say that is Mindy Kaling. Mindy Kaling is a star for that reason. 00:11:50 Speaker 3: Exactly. 00:11:50 Speaker 2: And for many others. 00:11:51 Speaker 1: Honestly, she's given us so much, but that's one of the main things. Because you know how when stars talk about sex scenes or make-out scenes, they're like, it's not sexy at all. 00:11:59 Speaker 2: Which I believe many a time. 00:12:00 Speaker 4: But also in a lighthearted comedy the way Mindy is doing, it probably is quite fun to hook up with Seth Meyers. 00:12:06 Speaker 2: Like, that's my dream. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's in her book because she's like, here, I'm going to tell you something. It's so fun. 00:12:13 Speaker 1: She was like, you get to kiss them. You get to tell them to put their hands. It's all fun and sexy. 00:12:17 Speaker 2: And I was like, that is actually a really fun way to look at it. So anyway. So yeah. 00:12:22 Speaker 1: So just maybe today take a moment to decide who you would like to do. 00:12:26 Speaker 2: Your acting debut against. Yeah, let us know. 00:12:28 Speaker 1: But I guess also like you want someone that good too. Like Kim Kardashian, like one of her, one of the reasons like she said that her businesses are so successful is she hires the best people. 00:12:37 Speaker 2: The best people. 00:12:38 Speaker 1: Like she hires all the best people to like build up things. So I guess like she just took that thought process and put it into a TV show. And she's like, I'm going to be acting in a lead role for the first time. Then pack the room with like critically acclaimed actresses. And then I'll look good by comparison, which I do in a few cases think happens to her. 00:12:57 Speaker 5: Okay. 00:12:58 Speaker 2: In the show. 00:12:58 Speaker 1: So just to say, like, I've watched all of All's Fair, the first season. I haven't been allowed to watch the second season. Oh, it's under lock and key. 00:13:04 Speaker 2: And that was the same last year when I interviewed the cast. Clearly you don't respect NDAs. Yeah, no, I've really. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. 00:13:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, Disney's like, you know who we're not giving, and they didn't give them to anyone, but like, they're like, you know who's not getting a screener? 00:13:16 Speaker 2: Laura Brodick in Australia. 00:13:18 Speaker 1: She'll just tell all her best friends, but unfortunately that's thousands of people who listen to

her. 00:13:21 Speaker 2: No, Disney, we're kidding. Laura's very respectable. It's so, yeah, it's so true. 00:13:25 Speaker 4: You spoke to Kim a lot in that first season interview about her acting and how she'd prepared for it. 00:13:30 Speaker 2: Because that was the big question. How are you going to prepare to star opposite the biggest women in the world? Yes, yes. 00:13:35 Speaker 1: So last year's interview with the cast of All's Fair and Kim Kardashian is a little infamous. 00:13:41 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:13:41 Speaker 1: Because it did end with me, and not just me, many people in the world, and also many of you Spillers who messaged me and said, yeah, I saw that, thinking that Kim Kardashian hated me. 00:13:53 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:13:54 Speaker 1: Or not even hated me, just wasn't a fan of me, which was sad because I'm a fan of her. 00:14:00 Speaker 4: I understand why you felt that way. But we've also since then used it as the example every time anyone on our team comes back from a junket and says, I felt like they hated me. Because we also acknowledge that Zoom is the worst place to do an interview and that because they're staring at a small screen, they're kind of just like, they look like they hate you every time you start an interview. 00:14:20 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:14:20 Speaker 4: And also Kim K famously, like her deadpan. 00:14:23 Speaker 2: Expression is quite... Blank. I have a note on that when we start talking about this year's interview. Okay. 00:14:30 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:14:30 Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you a little recap of last year and why I didn't think I was going to get a call. So last year it was, I did Naomi Watson, Sarah Paulson in one interview. 00:14:39 Speaker 2: Lovely, interesting, fun. 00:14:41 Speaker 1: I also, because last year I hadn't seen the show, but in the trailer, which is all I'd seen in the trailer, it was very much about these women had worked at an all male law firm and they had been kind of shunted to the side. And so they went and started their own law firm, which is run by women, which only takes on cases of like women, like high profile women divorcing their husbands. And like, it's a whole, like in each episode, you have all these guest stars coming in with like their crazy. 00:15:07 Speaker 2: Divorces that they work through. 00:15:09 Speaker 1: So I like to go through and pick out like a little, what's a little theme of the show I could ask about. So this one I was like, oh, like you're all these, like you're all these powerful women in Hollywood as like actresses and producers. But when is a moment where someone has tried to take your power away? 00:15:22 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:15:23 Speaker 1: Which I thought was a great question. It probably would have been in a different setting. Because I asked Sarah Paulson and Naomi Watts, and Sarah Paulson had a great response and talked about all the people she's cut out of her life who've done that to her career, and it was really interesting. And so I did

that interview, and then I did Glenn Close, Kim Kardashian, and Niecy Nash-Betz together. 00:15:44 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:15:45 Speaker 2: Three incredible women who I'm, like, individually big fans of. 00:15:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, you are. 00:15:48 Speaker 2: And when the screen came on. 00:15:51 Speaker 1: It was just like this, you know, like I'm sitting in this chair, Spillers, for like how we do these interviews. We have a big screen in front of us and I can see them on the screen and they can see me sitting in my little spill chair with my headphones and my microphone. 00:16:03 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:16:04 Speaker 1: And in that first second can kind of set the tone for how the interviews are going to go. And sometimes there's like a little delay. Sometimes like they can see the top of your head instead of your face. 00:16:14 Speaker 4: Sometimes your audio loops around and you can hear yourself talking at the same time and you've tried to ask a question. 00:16:19 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's hot garbage. Yeah. But you've got to sort. 00:16:22 Speaker 1: Of like start it off on the right foot. And all these women were lovely, but they came on and they just looked so like so serious. 00:16:30 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:16:30 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, this is such a serious show. And I was like, thank God I've got a serious question. to settle off. And I asked that question and it didn't land great because I didn't know if they were quite understanding what I was saying. 00:16:40 Speaker 2: And also I found out later that I had got the tone of the show wrong. 00:16:43 Speaker 4: But that's also like it's very hard to just watch a trailer and have a description and ask questions. So like you said, in theory, good questions. Just in the moment they were probably expecting something else. 00:16:54 Speaker 2: I will say it was a heavy question. 00:16:55 Speaker 1: And Sarah Paulson reacted great. 00:16:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. One question can work great and then you can try it and then sometimes you're like, well, that was great. I'm going to do that again. 00:17:01 Speaker 1: And then you try it in like a different room and it just kind of bombs. 00:17:04 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:17:05 Speaker 1: But what in that interview I was kind of interested to ask him, Kardashian, is that I'm, like I said, I'm a genuine fan. I don't love a lot of reality TV show, but I do watch the Kardashians. I watch Keeping Up with the Kardashians. 00:17:15 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:17:15 Speaker 1: And there was a scene in like years ago in an episode of the Kardashians where Kim had been like working all day, taking her kids to school, doing all these things. And then I think she was also starting to shoot like some of All's Fair. And she finished at midnight and she was like, and now I've got to go and do like a two hour session with my acting coach so I can be prepared for the next day. And then they didn't show any of that. Like it kind of just cut. And I always thought in the

back of my head, like, That's like a little crazy interesting tidbit about her that she would, that that's what she does like late at night is that's when she, because that's the only time she has in her schedule is that she does those couple of hours of like training with an acting coach. And so I wanted to ask her about that because I feel like for the most kind of filmed, photographed woman in the world, it's kind of interesting. 00:18:02 Speaker 2: Like what are the little moments that we don't see? Yeah. 00:18:05 Speaker 1: And like, and so I asked it and she was, and she gave like, Kim gave me like a good answer. 00:18:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, great answer. 00:18:10 Speaker 1: And she talked about even doing those lessons like in the car, driving, all that sort of stuff because she had no time. But I thought it was really interesting how quickly Glenn Close, but in particular Niecy, jumped in to defend her. And I realized afterwards that they were defending her because they'd been asked so many questions before. basically saying like Kim Kardashian doesn't. 00:18:32 Speaker 2: Do the work. 00:18:33 Speaker 4: Right. 00:18:34 Speaker 1: Like what's it like to like, a lot of people were alluding to the fact that these women, like, isn't it a terrible thing that you accomplished actresses have to work with someone who's not taking this seriously. And so even though my question wasn't geared that way. Like you've been answering questions like that all day. 00:18:48 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:18:48 Speaker 2: And people had been writing it and all these sorts of things. 00:18:51 Speaker 1: And they'd been getting, even when they were on red carpets doing like for other projects that were being asked about it. And Nishi jumped in and she was really nice, but she was just like, kind of like, you know, like in an interview, someone's like, I've got to get this out. 00:19:01 Speaker 2: I've got to say it. 00:19:02 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:19:02 Speaker 1: And she was like, you know, that's just not for cameras. She's not just doing that to kind of like, basically she's saying that's not a made up fact. 00:19:09 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:19:09 Speaker 2: She's not doing it for cameras, not doing for attention. Yeah. 00:19:12 Speaker 1: We saw her do that behind the scenes. She put so much work in, she did this, she did that. And like, people will have to realize that this is a real thing and she's professional. And I'm just watching Kim as like niece is sort of like having this moment of saying it. 00:19:24 Speaker 2: And she kind of was looking down. 00:19:25 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if she was like, like if someone was saying all this stuff about me, how great I was, like I had the biggest, like embarrassed smile, but like the biggest smile on my face. And Kim was kind of just like looking down, kind of taking in kind of almost like she knew it was true, but almost like, does it have to be kind of said? So it was kind of interesting. And then so I went into the interview and I was like, I think Kim Kardashian thinks that I'm, I think she's not a hard worker. 00:19:48 Speaker 2: I don't think that at all. 00:19:50 Speaker 4: All, but I know you've carried that around with you. 00:19:52 Speaker 2: For some time. Well, basically because I have. 00:19:54 Speaker 1: Those videos still like pinned near the top of my Instagram, those interviews. And it's just so funny that like when you click onto Kim's face, because again, she's doing that smoldering deadpan thing that she does. 00:20:04 Speaker 2: And it does look like she hates me. It does, but she also had. 00:20:07 Speaker 4: That face in every single junket clip out of that junket. 00:20:09 Speaker 2: Oh, but I saw some where she was laughing. 00:20:11 Speaker 1: What about that sweet little old lady who asked her if she liked a jacket potato and she didn't know what she was saying? 00:20:15 Speaker 2: But that shit's just funny. I can't compete with that. How are you to compete? 00:20:20 Speaker 1: I can't compete with jacket potato, lady. The truth is Kim Kardashian's never thought about me a day in her life. No. But that's how most of my celebrity enemies and my friends are. Like I think a lot about them. I have a lot of stories built around them. They've literally never given me a second thought. 00:20:35 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:20:36 Speaker 2: It's the way it is. But you did fine. It's okay. Great questions went viral, but now you had another opportunity. Yes, yes. So when the show came out, we did talk about it a lot. 00:20:47 Speaker 1: We did a whole, actually Brie Player and I, who's a co-host of ours on this bill, did a whole brutally honest review on it, which we'll link in the show notes. That's more of like, that's our really brutally honest thoughts. 00:20:55 Speaker 2: On the season. 00:20:56 Speaker 1: So I was very excited this year to get the call up that we could speak to them again for season two. And as I said, it was Kim Kardashian, Naomi Watts, Glenn Close and Nisi Nashbets about season two. And there was a lot to say this time around because the launch of All's Fair season one is very infamous for how it rolled out. Because the show came out and like most critics didn't get screeners, as we were saying. So we were like critics were watching in a real time. And the reviews came out and they were pretty scathing. 00:21:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't good. 00:21:27 Speaker 1: So the Times publication in the UK said this may be the worst TV drama ever. The Holly Reporter called it an empty and unforgivably dull drama. The Guardian said it was fascinatingly existentially terrible. While USA Today said this is the worst show of the year and absolute garbage. People are so dramatic like this. I mean, they're TV critics, but yeah. 00:21:56 Speaker 2: No, no, no. That's how we speak. 00:21:58 Speaker 4: I am too, and I respect the TV critic. I'm just saying, to say it's the worst drama of all time when there's like 50 other shows I could

name right now. 00:22:06 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, there's way worse things out there. Like, let's all take a beat. Yeah, yeah. 00:22:10 Speaker 1: So that obviously took off of like– because then obviously those reviews then started generating their own headlines. 00:22:18 Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. 00:22:18 Speaker 1: And it became this kind of like unstoppable, like a boulder rolling down a hill of like, then all these other publications jumping on that saying it was terrible. People reporting saying it was terrible. Like TikTokers making videos about how terrible it was. And that all happened. What was your headline? 00:22:33 Speaker 2: Well, no, I. 00:22:35 Speaker 1: Wrote about interviewing Kim Kardashian. That I learned everything I need to know about her in six minutes. Oh, okay. And the crux of that spoiler alert is like how everyone's just like her co-workers are so defensive of her and like so supportive of her. And that is not an easy thing to, like, I feel like that's a real thing. 00:22:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:22:53 Speaker 1: No, I had mixed thoughts about the show, which I gave, like, all in the brutally honest review. I wanted it to be almost, like, more silly and more funny because sometimes it kind of veered into, like, being a bit too almost serious, which is kind of interesting because at the recent Academy Gala, you know, when Kim Kardashian was in the Laura Roche, like, vintage-y dress looking like Elizabeth Taylor, That's what she was saying to all the reporters. She was like, we've realized it's a comedy. 00:23:20 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:23:20 Speaker 2: And we're leaning more into that. It's more comedy. It was weird that it wasn't. 00:23:23 Speaker 1: Well, it did have funny moments, but I think it was almost like watching it felt like a real old school, like those afternoon soap. 00:23:32 Speaker 2: Operas that your grandma would watch. 00:23:34 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:23:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:23:35 Speaker 1: But then it would sometimes have these, like, moments of levity and you're like, oh, I kind of want that, I think, a little bit more. 00:23:41 Speaker 2: Which is what Ryan Murphy does so well. Like, that's glee, right? 00:23:44 Speaker 4: Like, that's what he does really well with a comedy like Scream Queens is, like, he's funny as hell if he intentionally does it. 00:23:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 00:23:50 Speaker 4: And, like, with really high caliber actors. Like, it could have been really, really funny. And as you said, there's just moments here and there. 00:23:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just sometimes it was like, is it trying to be like more of a really dark drama or is it trying to be a soap opera or is it trying to be a comedy? And Kim Kardashian has said like they've decided it's mostly a comedy. 00:24:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:24:06 Speaker 1: And they're really leaning into that. So that makes me excited about season two, which again, I haven't seen yet. 00:24:10 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:24:10 Speaker 4: Yeah. I like that. 00:24:11 Speaker 2: The tone has to be, have you seen the show Good Christian Bitches? Oh, my God, I'd love that show. Like that's what the tone of All's Fair should have been. Yes, oh, my God, that's so true. Like camp, ridiculous, funny. That's on Disney +. 00:24:20 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:24:21 Speaker 2: I think they call it GCB. GCB because I'm allowed to say Good Christian Bitches. 00:24:24 Speaker 4: Well, it got cancelled because of American Christians being upset. But it's one of the funniest, best shows. 00:24:30 Speaker 2: Kristen Chenoweth, right? 00:24:31 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:24:32 Speaker 2: Yeah. And Cricket Caruth Riley is the name of one of the characters. There's so many good actresses in that show. Yeah, it's a great show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, that should have been the tone of All's Fair. Yeah, actually, that's true. 00:24:42 Speaker 1: But also that's what a lot of people who work in TV say, that, like, you do need a few seasons. Like, Dan Levy always brings it up. I'm not saying that All's Fair and Schitt's Creek are the same tonally, but it's what Dan Levy always says is, like, The reason Schitt's Creek got so good, although I've always thought the first season of Schitt's Creek is quite good. 00:25:01 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. 00:25:02 Speaker 1: And I know some people said you've got to push through it, but I've never thought that. But he said it did take him a while to find the tone and the rhythm. And then it got so good as it went along. Like every season got better. And he was like, if we had just been given the first season, that's it. We never would have found Schitt's Creek. 00:25:16 Speaker 4: And even though I'm sure you would have seen it when it came out, and I know I did, it didn't become Netflix juggernaut for a couple of seasons. So it had already gotten really, really strong by the time it picked up that much. I think about all the time Parks and Recreation, because they changed the tone so completely of Amy Poehler's character, Leslie Knope, because of audience feedback on the pilot episode and that first shorter season. 00:25:39 Speaker 2: It's completely different. 00:25:40 Speaker 1: The way that she is as a person, the vibe they were going for, and then they completely brought in new characters. 00:25:45 Speaker 2: But shows don't really have that privilege as much anymore. 00:25:47 Speaker 1: I know. 00:25:48 Speaker 2: Now it's just like, it's like film it, set it out, like release it all in one night. 00:25:51 Speaker 1: And if it's not a huge thing, straight up, it's cancelled. Yeah, like release it on a Friday night. If everyone doesn't like it on Saturday, it's all cancelled. My Lady Jane on Prime Video, for example. 00:25:59 Speaker 5: Oh, I know. 00:26:00 Speaker 2: Imagine if they'd have to bring that up every time anyone asks. 00:26:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 00:26:03 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good first season, but can you imagine if they got a second? 00:26:05 Speaker 4:

Incredible first season, but like it cancelled because like, oh, it wasn't like, what, taking over the entire internet? 00:26:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:26:10 Speaker 4: You're like, I'm sorry, enough people watched it. 00:26:12 Speaker 2: But you need like the virality. 00:26:13 Speaker 1: So I guess the good thing of having like a Kim Kardashian on All's Fair and the A-list stars they had is like they got the numbers. 00:26:20 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:26:21 Speaker 1: Which is the headline that came next, which was a big deal. So all of these reviews came out, worst show ever, critically panned. And then the next big headline that came out after All's Fair premiered is that it had like become like a ratings juggernaut. 00:26:35 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:26:36 Speaker 1: And it was the third highest like premiere of a scripted series on Hulu ever. 00:26:40 Speaker 2: It like hung around. 00:26:41 Speaker 1: All of like the top viewed charts and like different platforms for weeks. Apparently there was like billions of minutes of people watching the clips through social, which is how people do now. And it was interesting because Kim posted those two things together on her stories and like on her Insta feed at the time, like worst show ever. like breaks records, like those two things existing in the same moment, which was great. 00:27:02 Speaker 2: So when I sat down to talk to them. 00:27:04 Speaker 1: In this very room on a Friday or early Friday morning where I'd accidentally stated an after party too late the night before, That's not what Kim Kardashian would do. No. No. 00:27:14 Speaker 2: She would have been home in bed getting ready. That's what she does. And that's why she and I have very different lives. Her understanding of work is better than your story. Hey, I'll say it. 00:27:22 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian's got a way better work ethic than me. There's no way I'm working a 15-hour day and then doing two hours of acting coach. I'd so rather be mediocre. And that's why she and I are different people. But yes, I sat down to interview them. And well, I wanted to know what they could tell me about this season because it's been under lock and key apart from like one tiny trailer. 00:27:42 Speaker 2: We know nothing. 00:27:43 Speaker 1: But I also wanted to ask them about those bad reviews and what it felt like when that hit them. 00:27:49 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:27:49 Speaker 4: Especially because they've been like, as you said, she's posted it. It's not like it's an off limits topic. 00:27:54 Speaker 2: No, it shouldn't have been. 00:27:55 Speaker 4: But you know, sometimes people get funny about stuff like that. 00:27:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 00:27:59 Speaker 1: And I thought their reaction to it was so interesting. And her reaction, what Kim Kardashian felt was like such a human reaction. So anyway, I'll let you guys listen now to the interview for yourselves with Kim Kardashian, Naomi Watts, Nisi Nashbets and Sarah Paulson for All's Fair season two. 00:28:15 Speaker 5: Hello. 00:28:15 Speaker 1: I have to start by saying everyone in Australia is so excited that All's Fair is coming back for season two. So I wanted to start by asking you, we have only seen the trailer. We don't know much about the plot line. what's one thing you can tell me about season two that you haven't been able to share yet? 00:28:31 Speaker 5: Naomi is insane. 00:28:33 Speaker 2: Oh, I would believe it. How dare you? I resemble that. 00:28:36 Speaker 3: Naomi has a big old shape-shifting story to be told this season and it's very exciting. 00:28:44 Speaker 2: Kara's crazier than ever. 00:28:45 Speaker 5: Naomi is insane. 00:28:47 Speaker 2: I should really use our character names. 00:28:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:28:50 Speaker 3: Naomi's very sane. 00:28:51 Speaker 2: Liberty is absolutely off her rocker. Oh, we love to hear that. See, Liberty was a bit, you know, bit of a square. We had to you know, a square. Okay. 00:29:06 Speaker 1: That's make me excited for Naomi, what you're going to do in season two. So that is very good to hear. I also wanted to ask you all when season one first came out, there were quite a few negative reviews and then the viewer numbers came out and it was a number one show. One of Hulu's top scripted premieres, billions of social views. What was it like for you all when you saw those negative reviews and then you saw the audience really coming back to this show? What was your group chat like the day those numbers came out? 00:29:33 Speaker 2: We made the show. 00:29:34 Speaker 5: We made the show for the fans. 00:29:36 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. But like it, to me, it was just like, We made the show for the people. We're not making the show for the critics. And, you know, the people liked what we were delivering. 00:29:48 Speaker 5: But as, like, a first-timer, I thought the girls, like. 00:29:51 Speaker 2: I called you. I was like, I hope you're not... I just, you know, no. 00:29:56 Speaker 3: First of all, there's, like, a famous book, I think, written by Diana Rigg, where it's called No Turn Unstoned or something, which is about, like, every, you know, actor who trods the boards and begins to, you know, do something, they always... you always are going to be confronted at some point in your professional life with some bad reviews. And it just means welcome to the club of, of being a real actress. 00:30:18 Speaker 5: Then the ratings say it all. 00:30:21 Speaker 2: Sorry, suckers. In your face, critics. Exactly. 00:30:27 Speaker 3: Exactly. 00:30:28 Speaker 1: And like the fans really cast their vote and they wanted season two. And something else that viewers have loved seeing is the friendship between you all that we've been able to see as you make this show and, how you've all bonded. One of my personal favorite moments is watching you, Sarah, give a tour of Kris Jenner's house on the Kardashians during your movie night. 00:30:47 Speaker 2: So I guess fans just want to laugh. 00:30:49 Speaker 3: I

moved in. 00:30:50 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know, I live there now. Oh, I believe. Yeah, it's my house. 00:30:55 Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you a bit about those behind the scenes moments that fans are dying for. Is there like one moment from filming season two that had you laughing the most? 00:31:03 Speaker 2: What can you tell us? Oh my God. Laughing the most? Laughing the most? Listen, I don't care what happens. 00:31:10 Speaker 3: These two are going to find a moment to crack up for at least 30 minutes. 00:31:15 Speaker 2: And we have to wait till they settle themselves before we can move on. 00:31:19 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:31:21 Speaker 2: They have to be separated. All right. So you guys are kind of the troublemakers of the cast. Is that what you're telling me? You know, we're fun. It's got to be fun. Oh, I love that. 00:31:35 Speaker 1: And Kim, you just said before I want to go back, you said that when the ratings came in that you were worried people would be mad at you, that your cast members. Is that because of your dual role of being an executive producer and having the show shaped around your experiences? Was that kind of like an extra thought that you had making it? 00:31:51 Speaker 3: Well, just. 00:31:52 Speaker 5: them taking a chance on working with me and it being my first series project that I'm working on. So I am new to this. I didn't really know how it works and what they would feel. And so I wanted to let everyone know that if they never want to speak to me again, it's okay. And I'm sorry that I, you know, ruined their careers. They took a horrible chance making a decision, probably just thinking, you. 00:32:18 Speaker 2: Know, For Ryan, not for me. 00:32:21 Speaker 5: So I just wanted to like say, hey guys, like it's okay. Like no hard feeling. You never have to see me again. But then they were like, girl, stop. And Sarah left me the nicest, longest voice note that made me feel so much better. about my existence. And so we've moved past it. 00:32:43 Speaker 2: Well, I just like, you know, I get it. 00:32:46 Speaker 5: One bad decision and it's over. 00:32:49 Speaker 1: Oh, well, thank you so much for your time. As I said, we're excited for season two. I can't wait for the outfits. I can't wait to see who slaps who. I can't wait to see more of you. 00:32:57 Speaker 3: You're going to get some slapping and some all sorts of things are going to. 00:33:00 Speaker 2: Oh, wonderful. 00:33:04 Speaker 3: Oh wow she really don't listen don't listen to her she's exactly you right now. 00:33:12 Speaker 4: Thank you thank you so did you notice how kim kardashian smiled a little bit more at you this time around for our listeners yeah check it out on apple pods or head to our youtube but i think she was making a very concerted effort to like be more easy breezy this time Yeah, I actually. 00:33:30 Speaker 2: Thought that too. It's a very different vibe. So I'm sitting here. So you know what it's like with one of these junkets. 00:33:34 Speaker 1: Like you get all set up, the PR lets you in like the waiting room, like a virtual waiting room. And then you're waiting and like you're just sitting here and it feels like that minute, those minutes like drag on for hours. Because like any minute, these famous women are going to pop up on the screen in front of me and I've got to jump straight in. 00:33:49 Speaker 4: I know, because I edited some of your footage and I was like going through the part of you and I was like, oh my God. 00:33:53 Speaker 2: When does it begin? Oh, okay. Well, sorry about that. No, but that's what it's like. 00:33:57 Speaker 4: You sit there for so long and then suddenly you have like a rush of five minutes. 00:34:00 Speaker 1: I know. 00:34:01 Speaker 2: Your whole life flashes before your eyes. 00:34:02 Speaker 1: And I was really nervous because like I said, they were all nice to me the year before, but I just felt like we didn't, I feel like we weren't vibing. We weren't getting into it. And I feel like I said what I was going to, I wanted to say. So this year I was just like, oh, my God, oh my God. 00:34:14 Speaker 2: And then they popped up on. 00:34:16 Speaker 1: Screen, completely different vibe, laughing in such a good mood. 00:34:21 Speaker 2: So friendly. Last year, like as I was leaving, I was like, well, thanks from Australia. And Kim's like, oh my God, we love Australia. It was the first time she and I had a connection. So this year, and I never say this, I nearly said g'day. I was nearly wearing. 00:34:33 Speaker 1: Like the hat and like holding a koala or something because I wanted them to like me. 00:34:37 Speaker 2: So I was like, hello from Australia. And I think that was, it went over okay. 00:34:42 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:34:42 Speaker 2: But yeah, very friendly, in such a good mood, just a vibe. 00:34:46 Speaker 1: And that's why I asked them that question about like behind the scenes, because I feel like people have become very enamored with their off-screen friendship. 00:34:53 Speaker 4: Especially like, as you said, like there's footage of them in the Kardashians, like going over to hang at the house and like Glenn Close and Sarah Paulson are there. 00:35:01 Speaker 1: That is such an incredible moment of reality TV. So yeah, when I asked that moment of like Sarah Paulson giving a drunk tour of Kris Kardashian's house and Sarah saying, I still live there. That's a really funny episode from a previous series of the Kardashians where they were on set and then Kim said that she had never seen one of Glenn Close's most famous movies, Fatal Attraction. 00:35:22 Speaker 2: Just never seen it. 00:35:23 Speaker 5: Wow. 00:35:23 Speaker 2: Because she doesn't like scary movies, she said. 00:35:25 Speaker 5: So. 00:35:25 Speaker 2: Okay. I don't like scary movies, but come on. You've seen that. 00:35:29 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:35:30 Speaker 2: Not that hard. 00:35:31 Speaker 1: I guess everyone has like one or two classic movies. 00:35:33

Speaker 2: That's true. I've got gaps. That get referenced in, and some people have hundreds. 00:35:36 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:35:37 Speaker 1: Referenced in everything that they've just never seen. So Kris Jenner, of course, who, because she's also a producer on All's Fair. 00:35:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:35:43 Speaker 1: Was like, saw a filming opportunity. Her eyes lit up. She's like, oh my God, cross promotion. And so a bunch of the All's Fair cast, so it was Glenn Close and Niecy and Sarah all went over to Kris Jenner's huge palatial mansion in their pajamas, got a tour of the house. They're all downing martinis. Glenn Close is like asking for more martinis. And then Sarah Paulson starts like, imitating a drunk Glyn Close, where she's. 00:36:12 Speaker 2: Like, I'm Glyn Close. And I was just like, where's the Oscars for this? Yeah. Like that's what I need to see on TV. 00:36:20 Speaker 4: Yeah. And so it translated like into being real friends off screen. So like then, you know, they felt like safe, I think, in an interview environment this time around. 00:36:28 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:36:29 Speaker 2: To all be a bit more like fun and get ready. Yeah, exactly. 00:36:31 Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting now watching the new season of The Kardashians because Kim's filming that movie that Eva Longoria is directing, Fifth Wheel. 00:36:38 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:36:38 Speaker 1: And it's like Brenda Strong and Fortune Feinster. And they keep saying like they want to do what the All's Fair cast did. So like they are going to Christiana's house for a sleepover. They're doing this and that. 00:36:47 Speaker 2: It's become like quite competitive. Yeah. Crossover of it. Crossover of it. 00:36:51 Speaker 1: We love them. But yeah, I was interested in what they thought of those reviews because there are so many people like actresses who I ask about that who just say like they just don't read anything. 00:37:02 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:37:02 Speaker 2: Which is like, come on. 00:37:03 Speaker 1: And I, well, I kind of do think that some actresses maybe don't read the reviews as much. But the thing is they're all producers as well. And also it became like this huge story. It's like when I asked Dakota Johnson about it and I wasn't alluding to the Madam Web stuff, but I think she thought that's what I was talking about. I asked her about reading reviews and like critical reception and stuff. And she said like basically when she's an actress, no, but when she's a producer, it's her job to do it. Yeah, it is. 00:37:28 Speaker 2: And then she also said, well, I don't give a fuck what anyone says. And I was like, well, fair enough. Fair enough, Dakota. 00:37:32 Speaker 4: Love you. 00:37:33 Speaker 2: Fair enough. And you're the only person who can get away with saying stuff like that. 00:37:35 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:37:36 Speaker 1: But I thought the way they kind of reacted to the, like, especially what Sarah Paulson said was, like, really interesting of, like, that's just what

being a working actress is. 00:37:44 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:37:44 Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting that the tone of the answer shifted because Sarah kind of started to talk and then Kim obviously revealed that she'd been, like, worried that they would never speak. 00:37:52 Speaker 2: To her again. 00:37:53 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:37:53 Speaker 2: Because she was so bad. 00:37:55 Speaker 4: And then that kind of changed Sarah's answer into being more about, like, Kim specifically, I felt, like, when she referenced the book. 00:38:00 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:38:00 Speaker 2: Which was interesting because you kind of think, like, it wasn't just Kim that got bad reviews. It was the show. 00:38:04 Speaker 1: It was all of them, yeah. 00:38:05 Speaker 4: But you can see they still feel like a level of protectiveness over Kim with, like. 00:38:09 Speaker 2: Her worrying that she ruined the show. Well, people were blaming her for it. Yeah, yeah. 00:38:12 Speaker 1: Were really kind of blaming her for it. And that's why in the interview, like, I circled back around. to ask him because it was one of these little moments where like, they're all talking over the top of each other. Have I had a time transcribing that from the written article? I'm just, I've listened to that so many times. I can't even like get AI to Google translate or anything like that. Cause it's like, the AI is like, I can't, I can't tell. 00:38:33 Speaker 2: Whose voice is who. And that's why AI sucks. 00:38:35 Speaker 3: Exactly. 00:38:36 Speaker 1: So I'm doing it manually like a human. But yeah, like that moment where Kim's like, I was so, I like, I felt so sorry. I thought you guys would hate me. And I didn't want to keep pushing on the bad review thing, but I thought that was such an interesting thing for her to say. So that's why I circled back around and asked her to explain that. And I thought it was really interesting how her reaction was. I was like, I understand if you guys don't want to work with me again. I understand if you're upset that I've ruined your career. And this is like such an interesting human response to have. 00:39:05 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:39:05 Speaker 2: They're like, I've ruined Naomi Watts' career. I've ruined Glenn Close and Niecy Nash. 00:39:10 Speaker 5: It's fine, girl. 00:39:10 Speaker 2: All these incredible actresses. 00:39:12 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:39:13 Speaker 2: I understand that. 00:39:13 Speaker 1: And I thought it was really nice of like Sarah Paulson talking about like leaving her that long voicemail and like pumping her up and stuff. Because there's a world where that could have gone very differently. 00:39:22 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:39:22 Speaker 1: If that was a different group of actresses, I feel like they could not agree to come back for season two or yeah have tried to distance themselves from it they're like let's change tone yeah and said that we just kind of like all lent in and like we're like and then of course i thought it was like interesting

of sarah being like we didn't make it for the critics who made it for the fans yeah and then she was like fuck the critics and i was like yeah but i was also like me me me is my other job yeah yeah. 00:39:47 Speaker 4: What was your favorite part of the interview Part of the interview. Is it just all the smiling faces? Yeah, it was just being treated. 00:39:53 Speaker 2: Well, actually, there's something to be said for getting treated like a human being. 00:39:57 Speaker 5: Yes. 00:39:57 Speaker 2: Which, let me tell you, as you know, in this job, doesn't happen every day. 00:40:00 Speaker 4: Also really good when people don't sing Mamma Mia to you. Oh, yeah. 00:40:04 Speaker 2: No, I didn't even say. 00:40:05 Speaker 1: No, actually, I think I did say from Mamma Mia at the top, but I meant to say the Spill podcast, but I just freaked out. 00:40:10 Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. 00:40:11 Speaker 1: I lost my mind. Yeah, no one sung Mamma Mia at me, which is lovely. Although I do like when celebs do it, but they'll have to do it on their own time because then that counts into our time. 00:40:19 Speaker 2: Don't take my minute. 00:40:20 Speaker 5: Yes. 00:40:21 Speaker 1: No, I just– I thought, like, them talking about dealing with the criticism was really interesting. 00:40:26 Speaker 2: So interesting. 00:40:26 Speaker 1: Often that's not something you get to bring up because it doesn't become the story and so it's kind of hard to go into an interview and say– the world hated your TV show, what do you have to say? 00:40:37 Speaker 2: Well, no, the critics hated your TV show. 00:40:39 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:40:39 Speaker 1: The fans didn't because they watched it. So, like, to speak on that I thought was really interesting. 00:40:44 Speaker 4: Yeah. I guess it's just, like, often, like, it's rare that people with such critical acclaim are, like, popcorn actresses for a minute. 00:40:51 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:40:51 Speaker 3: Right? 00:40:51 Speaker 4: Because there's people who want the critical acclaim, like, J-Law and Emma Stone, who kind of, like, veered away from doing the, like, big projects that, like, blockbuster-y stuff and went into, like, the arts, of course, after Easy A, Goodbye. 00:41:02 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:41:03 Speaker 2: Although Emma Stone's coming back around with a rom-com. Stay tuned for that. 00:41:05 Speaker 4: But then everyone else obviously is like, I want money and I'm going to be a star in just blockbuster stuff. And like, who cares if it's trash? But it's weird when you have someone of like a caliber doing a show that's deemed like garbage by a bunch of critics and wanting to keep doing it. 00:41:18 Speaker 2: So yeah, kind of leaning into that. 00:41:19 Speaker 1: And my favorite thing is like a viewer because I'm a viewer first before I'm an interviewer or a critic, which is why I sometimes turn down interviews from like people from my favorite TV shows because like I can get another job. 00:41:30 Speaker 2: I can't

get another favorite actress from my childhood. Do you know what I mean? 00:41:34 Speaker 4: I put my job first because I'm like Kim Kardashian. 00:41:36 Speaker 1: Well, it's nice to be you. And well, I'm not Kim Kardashian. We've really established that today. But most of all, I just, as a viewer, I just want to be obsessed with something. And I think you can't get caught up with like, that's the kind of thing like I'm not loving with modern criticism at the moment is like, a few of the top tier publications or like the top critics will say something about a movie or a TV show. And then everyone else across the world, I feel like there's sometimes this unspoken thing with critics. I have to fall in line and say the right thing. Because, and if you say that you like the trashy TV show, like you've got bad taste, or if you say something bad about like the critically acclaimed darling movie, it's like, well, then you're not smart enough to understand it. 00:42:13 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:42:14 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:42:14 Speaker 2: There is a real bit of that going on. 00:42:16 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:42:16 Speaker 1: And I guess now, because like everyone's racing to get like eyeballs on their content, their headline, like, The same way that like TV shows are chasing eyeballs, like people who do film and TV criticism for a living are chasing those eyeballs as well. So that's become a thing of like, who has the, it's become a question of taste. It is a question of taste, but also something can be bad and still fun. 00:42:35 Speaker 5: Exactly. 00:42:36 Speaker 1: And you know what, when I'm sitting at home with my, in my living room with all my candles lit and my flowers and my glass of wine, I just want to be entertained by something. 00:42:43 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:42:44 Speaker 1: I just want to feel like they made it for me, not because they wanted to make a statement or they're trying to like impress like a group of like five white men and like an old school publication somewhere. 00:42:53 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:42:53 Speaker 1: I just want to, I just feel like I made it for Laura Brodnick to have a delightful Sunday night on her couch. And so that's when I recommend stuff. That's kind of what I'm thinking. If I had had to watch this on my couch by myself without talking about it, would I? 00:43:07 Speaker 2: Would I enjoy it? Yeah, that's where the bar is. 00:43:11 Speaker 1: So yes, apparently this new season of All's Fair is going to be like bigger, funnier, sillier, which I'm very excited about. 00:43:17 Speaker 2: I'm going to have to tune in. 00:43:19 Speaker 1: Incredible, I will say incredible sets and clothes. Like I could just watch that. The fashion is off the hook crazy from the first season. And what we know about the second season is incredible. It's just as good, if not better. So I'm very excited about that. I could just watch it as like a series of images on my TV. So All's Fair Season 2 is back on Disney Plus on November 4. You've got a two-episode premiere and then a weekly drop. You know how I feel about a weekly drop. That is the correct way to watch TV. So All's Fair Season 2, very excited. 00:43:47 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:43:49 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. We will be back in your feed bright and early tomorrow morning with Morning Tea, bringing you all of the latest entertainment news headlines. 00:43:57 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. 00:43:58 Speaker 4: Bye. Bye.