บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ S2 E15 - THE EMPTY MAN (2020)

God. What 00:02:36.580 --> 00:02:38.979 ended up happening was Miramax bought out the 00:02:38.979 --> 00:02:42.080 final product because it was such a mess, and 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.159 they cut everything out of it and released it, 00:02:45.259 --> 00:02:49.080 put a Disney soundtrack over top of it, hired 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:52.280 Matthew Broderick to do a voice. It was so horrible 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:56.189 that nobody went to see it. There is a recobbled 00:02:56.189 --> 00:02:59.490 cut that's like two hours long featuring literal 00:02:59.490 --> 00:03:03.789 animation between the 60s and the 90s. And it's 00:03:03.789 --> 00:03:06.469 mind -blowing shit. Again, the guy who did, who 00:03:06.469 --> 00:03:08.349 framed Roger Allen, I forget his name, but the 00:03:08.349 --> 00:03:11.949 animator is like a legend. Like, he's this super 00:03:11.949 --> 00:03:14.949 well -known, highly respected guy. And basically, 00:03:14.949 --> 00:03:17.169 they just let him do whatever he want all that 00:03:17.169 --> 00:03:18.770 time. And he's like, I'll get to it when I get 00:03:18.770 --> 00:03:21.110 to it. That's how I felt watching this movie. 00:03:21.189 --> 00:03:23.969 I felt like there were so many... great ideas 00:03:23.969 --> 00:03:27.729 on their own uh so yeah comparing it to excellent 00:03:27.729 --> 00:03:30.770 animation from the 60s 70s 80s and 90s and then 00:03:30.770 --> 00:03:33.150 throwing it all together into this omnibus thing 00:03:33.150 --> 00:03:36.389 that's how i felt watching this because i can 00:03:36.389 --> 00:03:39.370 take little parts of the movie you know from 00:03:39.370 --> 00:03:41.550 here and there and say yeah that's some good 00:03:41.550 --> 00:03:44.430 shit but then absolutely then when i sit there 00:03:44.430 --> 00:03:46.389 and try to watch it from start to finish i'm 00:03:46.389 --> 00:03:49.889 like nope nope who the fuck green like this shit 00:03:49.889 --> 00:03:53.870 you know like yeah that's how i felt now again 00:03:53.870 --> 00:03:57.430 this was my first viewing other again other than 00:03:57.430 --> 00:04:00.150 the first 20 minutes which is fantastic uh in 00:04:00.150 --> 00:04:06.330 my opinion um ish okay but yeah i guess so it's 00:04:06.330 --> 00:04:08.949 all our virgin viewing essentially am i correct 00:04:10.729 --> 00:04:15.069 yeah it was it was virgin viewing for me um and 00:04:15.069 --> 00:04:19.110 for and and for slink and we you know shelled 00:04:19.110 --> 00:04:23.430 out the 9 .99 so we can watch it oh see you should 00:04:23.430 --> 00:04:25.149 have told me i would have sent you my special 00:04:25.149 --> 00:04:28.949 link but that's all right oh me 9 .99 person 00:04:28.949 --> 00:04:34.160 uh but there was a lot like i said it felt like 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:36.040 there were a lot of roads like they could have 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:40.579 gone down um out of 46 ideas they were 45 too 00:04:40.579 --> 00:04:44.339 many yeah yeah there was i just i felt like it's 00:04:44.339 --> 00:04:46.459 like you just find something really good and 00:04:46.459 --> 00:04:48.980 commit to it and then you can just run with that 00:04:48.980 --> 00:04:52.720 idea yeah like all right here um when you and 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.300 I watched it, it was, it had my attention. The 00:04:55.300 --> 00:04:57.480 first 15 minutes had my attention, the whole 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.519 opening with the mountains and everything. And 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:01.740 it was, it was very, it was intriguing, man. 00:05:02.139 --> 00:05:06.939 But there was, I don't even know where to go 00:05:06.939 --> 00:05:09.439 on this because it's like, I don't want to trash 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:11.220 this movie. I'm not going to do that. It's like, 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:14.379 I wish. I kind of wish it would have stuck more 00:05:14.379 --> 00:05:16.980 with folklore kind of thing, not this – because 00:05:16.980 --> 00:05:19.160 I don't feel that it was a cosmic horror, which 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.079 I'm probably wrong because it does have cosmic 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.959 elements in it. But when I – my kind of cosmic 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.220 horror is it's indifferent to humans. It's not 00:05:26.220 --> 00:05:28.199 malicious. It's not trying to actively get you. 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:32.040 It's just there. So I just – I felt really let 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.740 down because there's a lot of shit that I really 00:05:34.740 --> 00:05:37.079 wanted to like in this movie, man. Again, the 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:38.959 opening is awesome, the way they fell off the 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.060 cliff. It's a visually striking movie. shot myself 00:05:43.060 --> 00:05:47.660 in the foot so yeah visually I yeah I love the 00:05:47.660 --> 00:05:51.480 visuals it's a it's a it's a pretty movie um 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.240 I love the filming locations in South Africa 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:58.800 and the Himalayas and Bhutan I had to look that 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.019 one up because I'm just not that smart uh but 00:06:02.019 --> 00:06:05.339 I really I really enjoyed the opening I think 00:06:05.339 --> 00:06:07.660 I thought the opening was just very was very 00:06:07.660 --> 00:06:11.199 like folk horror -y and and I was very into that 00:06:12.980 --> 00:06:16.259 But then, like I said, it went, I mean, it literally 00:06:16.259 --> 00:06:21.259 turned into Angel Heart, Westworld, The Ring. 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:28.779 I mean, it went a lot of different places. And 00:06:28.779 --> 00:06:32.399 what it wanted to do. didn't know what it wanted 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:36.019 to do or be. Then there's, there's, there's exposition 00:06:36.019 --> 00:06:38.540 scenes where the guy's in the alley and he's 00:06:38.540 --> 00:06:39.759 on his knees and he's telling him, he's like, 00:06:39.819 --> 00:06:42.120 no, you go three steps to the left and you knock 00:06:42.120 -->

00:06:44.199 on the window and then this guy's going to appear. 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:46.720 He's going to hand you three whistles and you're 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:49.339 going to, it's like, you fucking lost me. Yeah. 00:06:49.500 --> 00:06:52.360 There was a lot of, it was almost like a, it 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.360 was almost like a really interesting board game, 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:59.370 but way too many rules. absolutely absolutely 00:06:59.370 --> 00:07:01.930 that's a great way to describe it i told christine 00:07:01.930 --> 00:07:06.149 i felt like it in every single scene almost throughout 00:07:06.149 --> 00:07:10.329 the entire film it took just a little bit too 00:07:10.329 --> 00:07:14.790 long to get to the fucking point yes yes the 00:07:14.790 --> 00:07:18.560 guy in the hospital remember and there's a whole 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:21.180 conversation about this guy in the hospital. 00:07:21.339 --> 00:07:23.480 Like, nobody's asking, like, real fucking questions 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.439 when this stuff's happening. I'm sorry. Yeah, 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.199 yeah. So, okay, so let's do this. Like, I mean, 00:07:29.220 --> 00:07:32.180 we know the plot, obviously. We know the story. 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.199 So let's get into it. Yeah, let's do our typical 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:38.560 scene by scene. And I do want to thank Gizmaki 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:42.259 for recommending this film. Even films that I 00:07:42.259 --> 00:07:45.689 don't like. I can almost always find things in 00:07:45.689 --> 00:07:49.410 them, if they're recommended right, that are 00:07:49.410 --> 00:07:51.509 scary. And there are things in this that are 00:07:51.509 --> 00:07:53.550 actually scary. So we'll get to that when we 00:07:53.550 --> 00:07:56.610 get to the scared shit list. But general first 00:07:56.610 --> 00:07:59.990 impressions, not great across the board. But 00:07:59.990 --> 00:08:03.660 we'll see what happens. Scene by scene. We start, 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.660 obviously, in Bhutan. Is it Bhutan or Bhutan? 00:08:06.740 --> 00:08:10.759 I don't know. Potato, potato. Bhutan. The expedition. 00:08:10.860 --> 00:08:15.259 It's 1995 in the Ura Valley, you know, and I 00:08:15.259 --> 00:08:17.420 don't know any of these actors. I didn't recognize 00:08:17.420 --> 00:08:20.199 any of them. There was one actor who I thought 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.980 was Aaron Paul, and I looked it up, and his actual 00:08:24.980 --> 00:08:28.279 name is Aaron Poole, but he's playing a character 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.069 named... Paul. So I was like, not good as well 00:08:31.069 --> 00:08:34.110 that it was Aaron Paul. It's funny that you mention 00:08:34.110 --> 00:08:37.110 that because there were so many actors in this 00:08:37.110 --> 00:08:41.049 movie that me and Slink could have sworn we had 00:08:41.049 --> 00:08:43.590 seen before. And then when we looked up their, 00:08:43.690 --> 00:08:47.590 you know, acting resume, it was like, I've never, 00:08:47.730 --> 00:08:51.370 none of this. Yeah, one of the teenage girls 00:08:51.370 --> 00:08:53.429 on the bridge, I thought, oh, that's the girl, 00:08:53.470 --> 00:08:55.710 the bad girl from Yellow Jackets. And I looked 00:08:55.710 --> 00:08:58.730 at, nope. Nope. Okay, well, shit. I thought that 00:08:58.730 --> 00:09:05.029 the blonde, his ex -fuck buddy, I thought she 00:09:05.029 --> 00:09:08.129 had to be somebody, so to speak, and then I looked 00:09:08.129 --> 00:09:09.990 her up and I was like, no. Yeah, I could have 00:09:09.990 --> 00:09:14.149 swore I saw something. Nope. Which, you know, 00:09:14.210 --> 00:09:16.769 how the hell do you spend 60 -some -odd million 00:09:16.769 --> 00:09:20.250 dollars on a movie? And this is famous for being 00:09:20.250 --> 00:09:23.789 the last 20th Century Fox movie that they ever 00:09:23.789 --> 00:09:28.049 made. I can see why. I can see why. They put 00:09:28.049 --> 00:09:30.389 it on the screen. It ended up making like $3 00:09:30.389 --> 00:09:35.429 million. So where did the money go? I don't know. 00:09:35.429 --> 00:09:39.710 His char money. One of my biggest gripes is the 00:09:39.710 --> 00:09:42.649 main guy, whatever his name is, he was not a 00:09:42.649 --> 00:09:46.450 strong enough caliber actor to carry a two -hour 00:09:46.450 --> 00:09:51.289 -plus movie on his own. Right. He did. An excellent 00:09:51.289 --> 00:09:54.830 assessment, yes. He didn't keep me enthralled 00:09:54.830 --> 00:09:57.330 enough to want to watch him for two hours and 00:09:57.330 --> 00:09:59.830 15 minutes. I'm not interested in anything that 00:09:59.830 --> 00:10:01.429 was happening to this guy. That's the thing. 00:10:01.529 --> 00:10:04.470 He wasn't interesting, man. Yeah, he was weak 00:10:04.470 --> 00:10:11.240 sauce. Expedition and Bhutan, Bhutan, they cross 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.580 this freaky -looking bridge, okay? And I do. 00:10:13.659 --> 00:10:16.559 I love the imagery throughout this movie. Oh, 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.320 yeah. Bridges. You got my attention because it's 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.700 my fear of heights. Exactly. Anybody with a bridge 00:10:21.700 --> 00:10:25.289 or a heights phobia. is going to really enjoy 00:10:25.289 --> 00:10:27.409 that, I think. You know, they'll get the chills. 00:10:27.950 --> 00:10:29.889 And I had a little bit of that myself. I was 00:10:29.889 --> 00:10:32.970 like, oh, yeah, that's freaky. And then they 00:10:32.970 --> 00:10:35.549 cross the bridge. This asshole, I guess the Aaron 00:10:35.549 --> 00:10:38.230 Ball guy, goes across first. He gets too far 00:10:38.230 --> 00:10:40.409 ahead of everybody. Like, slow down, dude. Falls 00:10:40.409 --> 00:10:43.809 down a hole. Okay, ooh. Okay, so things are starting 00:10:43.809 --> 00:10:45.690 to get a little interesting. Again, the first 00:10:45.690 --> 00:10:48.990 15, 20 minutes of this movie. We were both looking 00:10:48.990 -->

00:10:51.149 at each other like, I'm in, dude. I'm fucking 00:10:51.149 --> 00:10:52.769 in, because that's what we do. The soundtrack, 00:10:52.950 --> 00:10:57.129 there's like this, oh, oh. Oh, yeah. We're chanting 00:10:57.129 --> 00:11:02.690 and stuff. Yes, absolutely. So good. And I looked 00:11:02.690 --> 00:11:06.370 up Bhutan, and it's like, it's near the Himalayas, 00:11:06.370 --> 00:11:09.289 obviously. It's not there, but it's like next 00:11:09.289 --> 00:11:12.029 door. So that's the frame of reference that we 00:11:12.029 --> 00:11:15.600 have. So this guy falls into a hole. His friends 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:19.200 go to rescue him. And by the time they get there, 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:23.240 he's in this trance. He's like in a catatonic 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:28.340 state. And there's this weird otherworldly skeleton 00:11:28.340 --> 00:11:32.519 thing that looks like something H .R. Giger would 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:36.009 have designed. Oh, I love the skeleton throne. 00:11:36.110 --> 00:11:38.129 I thought the skeleton throne was amazing. Like, 00:11:38.149 --> 00:11:40.750 if we'd kept with the whole skeleton throne weird 00:11:40.750 --> 00:11:44.330 situation, I'd have been like, this is fucking 00:11:44.330 --> 00:11:46.690 cool. Make your weird Himalayan Migo look like 00:11:46.690 --> 00:11:50.409 that. I'm sold, man. Yeah, absolutely. Alas. 00:11:51.090 --> 00:11:53.330 And so the guy's trying to rescue his buddy, 00:11:53.409 --> 00:11:55.409 and he sees that he's okay, but he's in this 00:11:55.409 --> 00:11:57.490 weird catatonic state, and then he warns him, 00:11:57.529 --> 00:12:00.750 don't touch me, you know, and what does he do? 00:12:00.809 --> 00:12:04.159 He fucking touches him. And so that kind of starts 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:06.360 the whole ball rolling for this fucking movie 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:11.200 is that somebody does something stupid and everybody 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:14.559 else pays for it because nobody listens to anybody 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:19.240 in this fucking movie. Then they take him to 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:22.000 back out. They manage to rescue him. They're 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.899 like, what the fuck was that? And then they're 00:12:24.899 --> 00:12:26.899 kind of lost in the wilderness and they think 00:12:26.899 --> 00:12:28.659 they're going to die. But behold, there's this 00:12:28.659 --> 00:12:30.960 weird abandoned house in the middle of nowhere, 00:12:31.179 --> 00:12:34.190 which. didn't seem to really even kind of fit 00:12:34.190 --> 00:12:36.570 where they're at but okay it's you know i'm always 00:12:36.570 --> 00:12:38.389 down for a good cabin in the woods you know or 00:12:38.389 --> 00:12:41.909 wilderness kind of thing yeah yeah so they're 00:12:41.909 --> 00:12:45.429 doing their thing and then um they start like 00:12:45.429 --> 00:12:47.690 there's weird shit going on like somebody whispers 00:12:47.690 --> 00:12:49.590 something to somebody which

is another recurring 00:12:49.590 --> 00:12:51.649 theme throughout the movie a lot of whispering 00:12:51.649 --> 00:12:54.730 in this movie which again there's if you're into 00:12:54.730 --> 00:12:57.840 just the atmosphere of shit This movie could 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.100 work for you, you know, if you like movies like 00:13:00.100 --> 00:13:03.919 Skin of a Rake or, you know. Or The Ring. Yeah, 00:13:03.940 --> 00:13:08.080 yeah, exactly. Like the weird visuals that there's 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:11.519 in The Ring on the tape, you know. The seven 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.019 days kind of thing, you know. If that is what 00:13:14.019 --> 00:13:16.379 scares you, this movie will probably work for 00:13:16.379 --> 00:13:18.360 you on some level. But you better drink some 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.220 coffee before you start to watch it. And then 00:13:22.220 --> 00:13:26.279 she sees, the one girl sees this kind of. I don't 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.659 know, demonic, shadowy figure. The folk horror 00:13:28.659 --> 00:13:32.200 thing that I found very striking is this thing 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:34.700 that she sees in the snow. It's black and white, 00:13:34.740 --> 00:13:36.279 it's contrast, but it's very folk horror. It 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.679 looks like the Wendigo. It's very cool looking. 00:13:39.019 --> 00:13:41.879 Yeah, it's this weird hooded rogue figure with 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.080 shark claws. I would put that on my shelf. That's 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:49.639 exactly. That kind of weird folk horror theory 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:51.820 thing is like, okay, this is interesting. I'm 00:13:51.820 --> 00:13:55.490 going folk horror. That was cute. But like it 00:13:55.490 --> 00:13:59.090 going towards that and then, you know, possessing, 00:13:59.090 --> 00:14:03.750 you know, it's like, okay. And then when our 00:14:03.750 --> 00:14:08.149 next scene, when, you know, Ruthie. Don't trust 00:14:08.149 --> 00:14:11.509 anyone named Ruthie. Ruthie decides that she's 00:14:11.509 --> 00:14:14.629 going to like, just start slashing throats and 00:14:14.629 --> 00:14:16.789 throwing people over the, over the fucking mountain. 00:14:17.009 --> 00:14:21.450 That was like, okay, cool. It's almost like there's 00:14:21.450 --> 00:14:25.970 almost like a, a smile element to it or a, it 00:14:25.970 --> 00:14:29.250 follows element to it. And a little bit of evil 00:14:29.250 --> 00:14:31.549 bed influence there was just friends getting 00:14:31.549 --> 00:14:34.889 possessed, you know? And okay. Yes. I can get 00:14:34.889 --> 00:14:36.529 on board with friends getting possessed. And 00:14:36.529 --> 00:14:38.909 I liked the scariness of the guy sitting there 00:14:38.909 --> 00:14:42.129 still catatonic or whatever now. And he starts 00:14:42.129 --> 00:14:44.370 crying. He's like, you know, he, he can't help 00:14:44.370 --> 00:14:47.009 what's going on, but somehow he's kind of responsible 00:14:47.009 --> 00:14:50.690 in

a way. So it was neat. Yeah. Good shit. And 00:14:50.690 --> 00:14:54.990 then it just, we changed, we changed gears. We 00:14:54.990 --> 00:14:57.289 changed gears. 20. What's the new, what's the 00:14:57.289 --> 00:14:59.330 new year? What's the, cause it's not 95 anymore. 00:14:59.710 --> 00:15:05.250 2018 in Missouri. Okay. And we meet our fearless 00:15:05.250 --> 00:15:10.730 question mark hero. Yeah, James Lysandra, played 00:15:10.730 --> 00:15:14.610 by James Badge Dale, who was also in World War 00:15:14.610 --> 00:15:17.049 Z and some movie called Spectral. Again, I had 00:15:17.049 --> 00:15:19.789 never noticed this guy before. I haven't seen 00:15:19.789 --> 00:15:23.309 him in anything since. Yeah, I don't know who 00:15:23.309 --> 00:15:26.350 he was in that. And can you believe that there 00:15:26.350 --> 00:15:33.360 is a theme of grief? Yeah, I mean, I get... I 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:41.759 can understand if they were leaning towards grief 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:46.320 and or self -harm of some kind, whether you are 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:49.480 mentally self -harming yourself or you are physically 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.679 self -harming yourself, like the catatonic Aaron 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:58.259 Paul doppelganger. There was a scene where they 00:15:58.259 --> 00:16:02.279 pulled his arms and they looked and he had, you 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:06.350 know, he had sort of leftovers of self -harm. 00:16:06.409 --> 00:16:11.450 So he obviously has some mental issues and he 00:16:11.450 --> 00:16:15.210 says to Ruthie, you know, well, how has he been? 00:16:15.309 --> 00:16:18.009 Right. And she's like, he's been fine. You know, 00:16:18.029 --> 00:16:21.830 to sort of imply that he suffers from depression 00:16:21.830 --> 00:16:24.470 or he suffers from some sort of something that, 00:16:24.470 --> 00:16:28.309 that makes himself harm. And so if you're trying 00:16:28.309 --> 00:16:32.669 to say that the conduit to evil getting into 00:16:32.669 --> 00:16:37.990 your body is grief self -harm uh mental you know 00:16:37.990 --> 00:16:42.330 like mental issues it's great get on with that 00:16:42.330 --> 00:16:46.350 yeah yeah like make make the statement clear 00:16:46.350 --> 00:16:48.149 you know like pretty much every other horror 00:16:48.149 --> 00:16:50.330 movie out there right i mean that's what i mean 00:16:50.330 --> 00:16:53.090 oh surprise there's a grief theme but the way 00:16:53.090 --> 00:16:55.870 they present it is like Is there, though? But 00:16:55.870 --> 00:16:58.990 no. But that's not. That is literally one of 00:16:58.990 --> 00:17:03.090 the, as Slink so eloquently put it, 46 roads 00:17:03.090 --> 00:17:05.829 that we could have gone down. That is one of 00:17:05.829 --> 00:17:08.029 them. That is, you know, the don't look now route, 00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:09.829 right? It didn't take all of them. Right, but 00:17:09.829 --> 00:17:12.390 no. It didn't know what the fuck it was going 00:17:12.390 --> 00:17:15.170 to be. Tiptoes. And it took, Sims is right, it 00:17:15.170 --> 00:17:19.720 took, like, obscenely long to explain simple 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:22.779 things and then when they were explained there 00:17:22.779 --> 00:17:26.559 was kind of no big reveal like when we find out 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:32.220 that she's the mom and it's like yeah and the 00:17:32.220 --> 00:17:34.599 stuff that I read up on this and there's so many 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:38.000 people out there it makes me feel a little bit 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.000 like when people quote Nietzsche you know it's 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.319 like they're telling me how great this freaking 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:45.460 movie is and why. Okay. And one of the things 00:17:45.460 --> 00:17:47.880 about the grief subplot was it's a deliberate 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.140 misdirection. And I'm like, how many deliberate 00:17:50.140 --> 00:17:53.839 misdirections do you need in one movie? You know, 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:55.759 in one two hour freaking movie. It's a scary 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:58.319 fucking movie. Like, yeah, I don't, I don't need 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:01.680 to dick ride for confusion. Yeah. And it's taking 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:05.920 itself way too fucking serious. Okay. Nora asked 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.730 James for help, right? Nora's the neighbor. Okay, 00:18:08.730 --> 00:18:11.069 James is the main character, the detective guy, 00:18:11.329 --> 00:18:15.250 and she wants him to help her find her missing 00:18:15.250 --> 00:18:19.849 daughter, Amanda. Again, I've looked up what 00:18:19.849 --> 00:18:21.769 else these people have been in, not recognizing 00:18:21.769 --> 00:18:24.230 any of these movies, but they're all involved 00:18:24.230 --> 00:18:27.190 in various genre -related projects. Her and her 00:18:27.190 --> 00:18:30.230 horrible Dorothy Hamill haircut. Yeah. Like, 00:18:30.230 --> 00:18:34.670 that's a very old reference, but yes, poor Amanda 00:18:34.670 --> 00:18:38.119 and her Dorothy Hamill haircut. My God. And so 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:40.599 James opens the bathroom door and we get our 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:45.400 first Candyman ripoff. Or the ring. Or the ring, 00:18:45.500 --> 00:18:48.920 yeah. You know, the tropes. The empty man made 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:53.869 me do it. Urban legend, early aughts kind of, 00:18:53.869 --> 00:18:56.509 you know, situation. You're going to go all four 00:18:56.509 --> 00:18:59.690 ways. Yeah, so many ways. But, you know, it's 00:18:59.690 --> 00:19:03.150 the empty man has somehow found his way to Missouri 00:19:03.150 --> 00:19:07.029 from Bhutan. Okay. Yeah. I'm still trying to 00:19:07.029 --> 00:19:09.829 be on board with this as best as I can at this 00:19:09.829 --> 00:19:13.619 point in the film. You know, the cops come there, 00:19:13.700 --> 00:19:16.000 there's clues, you know, they find the pontifex 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:19.240 book and then the weird piece of

paper, you know, 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.319 on the back of it, there's this culty sounding 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:25.400 word. What is it? A tulpa, you know? So, yeah, 00:19:25.460 --> 00:19:27.660 they're trying to build intrigue, you know, but 00:19:27.660 --> 00:19:30.960 they're already starting to lose me because then 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.420 we we transition to the friends. OK, and that's 00:19:34.420 --> 00:19:37.980 when it becomes a full on. You know, it follows 00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:42.099 the ring. It follows the ring. Late 90s, early 00:19:42.099 --> 00:19:44.960 aughts, kind of, you know, teenagers dealing 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:47.660 with some kind of weird bullshit curse thing, 00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:51.099 you know? And I'm like, oh, no. We're her friends. 00:19:51.380 --> 00:19:55.480 And, you know, before she left, she's whispered 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.099 something in Dickhead's ear, and now he's dead. 00:19:58.380 --> 00:20:00.720 And, like, just the... Yeah, so then you're like, 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.680 okay, so now we've kind of changed gears. It's 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.599 like there's this weird... force out there named 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:13.380 the you know candy man yeah um and he's and he's 00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:16.000 influencing people to influence people to influence 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:19.099 people Totally get it. Like Samara in The Ring, 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:24.680 yeah. See, there you go. And then our, you know, 00:20:24.700 --> 00:20:28.160 weird ex -cop hero decides that he's going to, 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.700 you know, sift through the microfiche and try 00:20:31.700 --> 00:20:34.759 to figure out, you know, what is happening. So 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:37.740 we get this, you know, very similar to The Ring 00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:41.750 and Naomi Watts. montage of him doing research 00:20:41.750 --> 00:20:45.269 and that still really amounts to nothing because 00:20:45.269 --> 00:20:48.710 none of us care that was the thing it was like 00:20:48.710 --> 00:20:51.250 we were just you and i kept we kept you would 00:20:51.250 --> 00:20:53.589 hear each of us groan every like 20 minutes during 00:20:53.589 --> 00:20:56.740 this movie yeah because i mean at least in So, 00:20:56.740 --> 00:20:59.920 like, to draw, like, a parallel with, like, Wicker 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:01.819 Man, for instance, because we brought that up. 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:04.220 But, like, at least you kind of give a shit that 00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:06.720 Rowan is missing. You know, you're kind of like, 00:21:06.819 --> 00:21:09.099 oh, my God, like, this little girl and she's 00:21:09.099 --> 00:21:12.849 missing and this whole thing, right? So. It kind 00:21:12.849 --> 00:21:15.130 of garners some sympathy. Granted, I don't have 00:21:15.130 --> 00:21:17.730 teenagers. Maybe I would be sad if a teenager 00:21:17.730 --> 00:21:20.329 if my teenager went missing. I get that. But 00:21:20.329 --> 00:21:25.210 there's nothing to there's nothing to endear 00:21:25.210 --> 00:21:29.210 us to those teenage characters at all. They're 00:21:29.210 --> 00:21:32.130 not witty. They're not interesting. They are 00:21:32.130 --> 00:21:35.369 staring at their phones most of the time. Like 00:21:35.369 --> 00:21:39.349 when when they do finally hang themselves under 00:21:39.349 --> 00:21:42.720 the bridge, you're you're not. Like, oh, man. 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:46.079 But what's a great, but there you go. Fantastic 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:49.579 visual. Yes, visuals were so striking. I was 00:21:49.579 --> 00:21:52.500 a little, like, I scratched my head a little 00:21:52.500 --> 00:21:56.319 bit when Davara, the main girl, the pretty African 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.539 -American girl. Yeah, she's great. Samantha Logan. 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:02.640 She was in Teen Wolf. Like, she's a good actress. 00:22:03.500 --> 00:22:07.349 She sees, like, the empty man like hanging out 00:22:07.349 --> 00:22:08.970 over her friends, you know, and then you see 00:22:08.970 --> 00:22:10.970 her friends like sitting in a row. It's, it's 00:22:10.970 --> 00:22:14.349 weird. So good visuals. Yeah. There's some scary 00:22:14.349 --> 00:22:16.750 visual. There's some very scary visuals to it, 00:22:16.769 --> 00:22:19.869 but like, and then, then her scene where she, 00:22:20.029 --> 00:22:22.769 you know, cause you know, this is all happening 00:22:22.769 --> 00:22:24.130 to their friends. Their friends are kind of getting 00:22:24.130 --> 00:22:28.690 picked off one by one. She, you know, is forced 00:22:28.690 --> 00:22:31.950 to stab herself with a pair of scissors in a 00:22:31.950 --> 00:22:36.750 spa, by the way. And it's just, it's, then it 00:22:36.750 --> 00:22:40.690 turns into like that scene reminds me so much 00:22:40.690 --> 00:22:43.309 of early aughts horror. And I have a thing with 00:22:43.309 --> 00:22:46.869 early aughts horror where I. could really leave 00:22:46.869 --> 00:22:50.329 most of it you know and so once i was lucky to 00:22:50.329 --> 00:22:53.170 get three stars out of you for my freaking favorite 00:22:53.170 --> 00:22:56.730 early odds once it turns into seriously once 00:22:56.730 --> 00:22:59.150 it turns into this like oh it's prom night you 00:22:59.150 --> 00:23:01.589 know like like but like the shitty prom night 00:23:01.589 --> 00:23:04.109 like the fucking you know right one that came 00:23:04.109 --> 00:23:07.750 out later um that was when i was like oh shit 00:23:07.750 --> 00:23:11.839 okay we're going here right and then we're in 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.640 now we're in cult land now we're now we're in 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.200 scientology now now we're in scientology he goes 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.160 to finally find out what you know what's the 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:27.160 pontifex pontifex right like where that comes 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:32.220 from and now we are we are flat Also, don't forget

00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:34.339 the bridge, right? I mean, that was a good scene. 00:23:34.579 --> 00:23:37.160 That was a good scene. I did enjoy, you know, 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.220 what's going on. He's investigating, right? He 00:23:39.220 --> 00:23:41.279 goes to this bridge and he blows on the bottle 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.359 and he's looking for the kids or looking for 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.859 clues, finds the kids who have hanged themselves. 00:23:47.380 --> 00:23:51.079 And it was a good job with the bodies. They looked 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:55.240 like hanging dead bodies. Great scene. Very, 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.119 very almost Amityville -ish, you know, with like 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:02.480 under, you know, just very like dark. Scary stories 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.319 telling the dark vibes from that scene. Oh, you 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.539 know what? That was good, babe. That was good. 00:24:07.660 --> 00:24:11.400 Yes. But it's like, here's our second fake out 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:13.940 already is that we have these disposable urban 00:24:13.940 --> 00:24:17.160 legend kids, you know, they're not going to be 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:21.720 the plot. at this point so okay so again there's 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.819 no grief subplot there's no urban legend kids 00:24:24.819 --> 00:24:26.960 subplot where are we going with this fucking 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:31.359 movie and and then like i said then he devara 00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:33.720 stabs herself in the face with it which was a 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.779 great scene i loved it you know didn't belong 00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:41.079 in this movie great scene And then it, and then, 00:24:41.380 --> 00:24:45.140 you know, then we go into, like, he finds Pontifex 00:24:45.140 --> 00:24:47.259 and he's like, okay, what is Pontifex? And it's 00:24:47.259 --> 00:24:51.359 like, it is a cult. And Stephen Root, the only 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:54.380 recognizable face in this film. Yeah, I remember 00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:56.599 when I was so excited. Oh, look who's in this. 00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:58.039 And we were like, oh yeah, this has got to be 00:24:58.039 --> 00:24:59.920 good, right? It's like, because Stephen Root's 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:04.460 in it. Sarasota's own Stephen Root. I love him 00:25:04.460 --> 00:25:08.519 so much. So to see him in this role, you know, 00:25:08.539 --> 00:25:10.980 you're like, If that dude read a cult, I'd probably 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:15.079 join, too. I'm the reason people join cults. 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.480 Like, I'm that person. Like, I'm easily swayed 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.779 by just telling me. Stephen Roof needs to keep 00:25:20.779 --> 00:25:23.099 doing horror. Like, get out. He was fantastic. 00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:26.039 He was good in this. He was one of the few good 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.990 things about this. No, he's fantastic. I felt 00:25:29.990 --> 00:25:32.670 like he was kind of wasted with this. Like, I 00:25:32.670 --> 00:25:35.049 really felt like they could have gone... Well, 00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:37.769 I mean, it's weird because this movie is almost 00:25:37.769 --> 00:25:39.849 like an anthology without being an anthology 00:25:39.849 --> 00:25:43.089 because we have so many... Yeah, because now 00:25:43.089 --> 00:25:46.430 we get into, like, this weird kind of cosmic, 00:25:46.529 --> 00:25:49.710 almost psychological horror, you know? Like, 00:25:49.710 --> 00:25:51.630 okay, we're trying to elevate things a little 00:25:51.630 --> 00:25:54.930 bit. Okay. Oh, yeah. It's cosmic as fuck. It 00:25:54.930 --> 00:26:00.099 is, you know? But... But... But... so they they 00:26:00.099 --> 00:26:03.039 you know they worship they want to find a way 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.539 into this to meet to sort of communicate with 00:26:06.539 --> 00:26:09.839 this deity and okay like i totally they need 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.299 a channel we got we got to get the channel or 00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:17.819 to get that right we are and then it then transitions 00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:22.539 into finding out Exactly, which we're seeing 00:26:22.539 --> 00:26:24.980 in like little bits and pieces. We're seeing 00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:29.279 his past life, like why, you know, number one, 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.960 he's taking doxopan, which is this like made 00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:35.980 up drug that is, you know, prescribed by this 00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:40.619 local pharmacy, you know, that, yeah, take your 00:26:40.619 --> 00:26:45.200 hypnosil, right? So he's on this. He's having 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.440 these nightmares. He has this very cryptic conversation 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.640 with the woman whose daughter is missing. I kind 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.720 of knew that they had boned at one point. I didn't 00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.680 know. I thought maybe they were exes. Yeah, exactly. 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:01.460 We both said that. I was like, were they together? 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:05.599 Oh, okay. Slips down the way. They just diddled 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:09.140 around, maybe. Yeah, but there wasn't anything 00:27:09.140 --> 00:27:13.450 that... made me particularly like care about 00:27:13.450 --> 00:27:18.450 that connection either yeah i was getting slight 00:27:18.450 --> 00:27:21.630 hellraiser 5 vibes like okay this guy is like 00:27:21.630 --> 00:27:23.950 on the path to damnation or some shit you know 00:27:23.950 --> 00:27:28.329 like yeah Which was kind of cool. But again, 00:27:28.430 --> 00:27:31.309 it was such a flat character that I kind of didn't 00:27:31.309 --> 00:27:33.750 care. It's like, he's not enough of an asshole 00:27:33.750 --> 00:27:36.309 for me to want bad things to happen to him, but 00:27:36.309 --> 00:27:38.329 he's not enough of a hero for me to be rooting 00:27:38.329 --> 00:27:41.950 for him either. He was going to try to sell me 00:27:41.950 --> 00:27:48.299 a

Dodge Ram. Yeah, he just wasn't a good... you 00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:50.920 know, I, I feel like we could have had, you know, 00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:53.019 Jeremy Renner in there and he would have done 00:27:53.019 --> 00:27:56.039 a better job because at least he's, you know, 00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.339 at least he can kind of sell, you know, endearing 00:27:59.339 --> 00:28:02.119 and grief and all that. And I just, I felt like 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:05.220 this just wouldn't, wouldn't do it, man. Like 00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:08.839 he, he, you know, bless his heart. He was trying. 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.680 I mentioned this before we get to the scene where 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:13.299 he's in the alley and that kid's on his knees 00:28:13.299 --> 00:28:14.859 and he's telling him all this and he has to do. 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.230 And it's like, ah, that's a lot. That's a lot. 00:28:19.390 --> 00:28:23.009 It's a lot. And then we get our trope. You know, 00:28:23.029 --> 00:28:25.089 we get another cabin. There's a cabin in the 00:28:25.089 --> 00:28:28.539 woods. Exactly. Where, you know, he's got this 00:28:28.539 --> 00:28:32.740 kid on his knees and he's trying to ask him all 00:28:32.740 --> 00:28:35.099 these questions like, where is this? And why 00:28:35.099 --> 00:28:39.079 is this? And who is in the hospital? Why am I 00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.619 inside of a file for something that hasn't happened 00:28:41.619 --> 00:28:43.799 yet? You know, it's like creepypasta shit, you 00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.599 know? Yeah, no, then we're, yeah, then it's like, 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:50.299 would they find the files on everybody and all 00:28:50.299 --> 00:28:52.480 the shit? Like, my immediate thought was like, 00:28:52.539 --> 00:28:55.140 oh, it's like Marshmallow. It's like the movie. 00:28:55.210 --> 00:28:57.569 marshmallow like where they have all the files 00:28:57.569 --> 00:29:00.349 on the on the kids and the parents and stuff 00:29:00.349 --> 00:29:06.329 and it's yeah exactly spoiler alert sorry whoops 00:29:06.329 --> 00:29:08.950 you should see marshmallow okay marshmallow so 00:29:08.950 --> 00:29:12.170 um yeah so then we we do have this hospital scene 00:29:12.170 --> 00:29:16.829 where these you know people are have surrounded 00:29:16.829 --> 00:29:22.400 this person and If they hadn't told me, Michael, 00:29:22.539 --> 00:29:27.839 I never would have known that this was Aaron 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.240 Paul's doppelganger from the first 15 minutes 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:34.880 of this movie. I never would have known. Spoilers, 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.599 kids. No, I absolutely never would have known 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:43.339 that. 100%. Because he had a beard, and then 00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:45.019 they shaved the beard, and then he just looked 00:29:45.019 --> 00:29:48.950 like this weird... gaunt like x files character 00:29:48.950 --> 00:29:55.150 and it's just no and then no and then yeah she 00:29:55.150 --> 00:29:59.230 he finally like sees amanda so he knows amanda's 00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:02.809 there it's like okay you know i'm gonna call 00:30:02.809 --> 00:30:06.380 her mom and and then he calls the mom and the 00:30:06.380 --> 00:30:09.859 mom has no idea who he is you know so then we're 00:30:09.859 --> 00:30:11.599 kind of thinking oh it's a little angel heart 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.200 right yeah you know it's a little like oh who 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:18.390 am i i know who i am Right. So then it turns 00:30:18.390 --> 00:30:21.910 into I know who I am. I'm this person and I was 00:30:21.910 --> 00:30:24.089 born this and blah, blah, blah. And then she 00:30:24.089 --> 00:30:27.470 then it turns into Westworld. Right. Where she 00:30:27.470 --> 00:30:31.150 turns around and then she's like, no, I created 00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:34.849 you. You were born on this day. Remember, you 00:30:34.849 --> 00:30:37.170 went to Cheddar's the other day and you gave 00:30:37.170 --> 00:30:40.109 them a gift certificate. And, you know, so then 00:30:40.109 --> 00:30:42.589 it's then it is then it's Westworld. Right. And 00:30:42.589 --> 00:30:46.130 then it's like, I don't give a flying fuck. what 00:30:46.130 --> 00:30:48.670 happens to this character why this character 00:30:48.670 --> 00:30:51.250 and especially i felt like that was a cop -out 00:30:51.250 --> 00:30:54.990 too to be like you know oh no we created you 00:30:54.990 --> 00:30:57.970 yesterday i was like are you fucking serious 00:30:57.970 --> 00:31:01.130 right now like it like i said when you find out 00:31:01.130 --> 00:31:03.049 that these like there's bits and pieces about 00:31:03.049 --> 00:31:06.390 his past and what you find out is that the following 00:31:06.390 --> 00:31:10.839 his friend died he fucked the widow While he 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:15.160 fucked the widow, his kid and wife were on a 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:21.420 bridge and it was icy and she lost control of 00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:23.680 the car because she was trying to, like, tell 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.880 the kid, like, shut up. And she went off, you 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.619 know, she went off the bridge and died while 00:31:30.619 --> 00:31:35.980 he was fucking. That's the big secret about this 00:31:35.980 --> 00:31:40.759 tortured ex -cop. And it just doesn't, you just 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.099 don't care. What's funny is when you and I, we 00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:44.779 watched this the fucking, the very first time 00:31:44.779 --> 00:31:47.859 we watched this movie, you and I picked this 00:31:47.859 --> 00:31:50.099 out like 12 minutes into this movie when they 00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:51.880 kept showing the flashbacks and stuff. So we 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.410 knew this well far. Way ahead. We pulled a big 00:31:55.410 --> 00:31:58.289 reveal. We knew we'd lost somebody. We don't 00:31:58.289 --> 00:32:00.849 know if we've seen too many movies and it's like,

00:32:00.930 --> 00:32:03.390 we can just, we can pick it or it was just. But 00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:05.950 then, then there's another plot, right? There's 00:32:05.950 --> 00:32:09.150 like an erotic thriller plot, right? Like it's, 00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:11.450 it's, it's the, you know, like I'm going to take 00:32:11.450 --> 00:32:13.609 off your black funerals dress and I'm going to 00:32:13.609 --> 00:32:16.410 fuck you like your husband never could, you know? 00:32:16.470 --> 00:32:19.430 And it's just, and then, so there's that, right? 00:32:19.529 --> 00:32:25.700 That happens. So yes, if this movie was about 00:32:25.700 --> 00:32:31.339 a man who, or a person who in order to get to 00:32:31.339 --> 00:32:35.440 this, this evil force, you have to, you know, 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.980 you have to have grief or you have to have something 00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:41.490 horrible happen to you or whatever, then. you 00:32:41.490 --> 00:32:45.029 know mad kudos right but like bro we could have 00:32:45.029 --> 00:32:48.509 done that shit in 85 minutes it's like 40 minutes 00:32:48.509 --> 00:32:51.650 too long that movie was way too long yeah no 00:32:51.650 --> 00:32:57.869 but like i said visually stunning scary moments 00:32:57.869 --> 00:33:03.269 of of sheer weirdness and and you know like the 00:33:03.269 --> 00:33:05.470 first 12 minutes of the movie had me man it really 00:33:05.470 --> 00:33:07.269 did the opening had me it was good yeah there 00:33:07.269 --> 00:33:10.190 there are so many commentaries on the first uh 00:33:10.949 --> 00:33:14.650 12 to 20 minutes of the film online that it's 00:33:14.650 --> 00:33:17.069 like, I had to check it out. You know what I 00:33:17.069 --> 00:33:20.230 mean? And I remember, you know, yeah, I watched 00:33:20.230 --> 00:33:22.950 this before. And I did, I fell asleep and I forgot 00:33:22.950 --> 00:33:25.630 about the rest and I never followed up. And I'm 00:33:25.630 --> 00:33:27.690 glad I didn't because I would have been like, 00:33:27.829 --> 00:33:31.150 no, this movie is not what you think it is. It's 00:33:31.150 --> 00:33:33.089 trying to be a lot of things, right? We said 00:33:33.089 --> 00:33:36.210 that at the beginning. And it just doesn't, to 00:33:36.210 --> 00:33:40.450 me, it doesn't succeed really. accomplishing 00:33:40.450 --> 00:33:43.029 any of them anything exactly yeah sounds like 00:33:43.029 --> 00:33:46.289 the screenwriter had seen so many movies and 00:33:46.289 --> 00:33:50.210 he really wanted to take sort of the best tropes 00:33:50.210 --> 00:33:53.970 of each film and each genre and put it into a 00:33:53.970 --> 00:33:56.829 screenplay because maybe he was like dying and 00:33:56.829 --> 00:33:59.809 he was like this is it man i'm gonna do it i'm 00:33:59.809 --> 00:34:04.029 gonna throw it all in there you know um or it 00:34:04.029 --> 00:34:07.740 like i said sometimes writers can't finish you 00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:10.500 know and sometimes they just

they're like i think 00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:13.079 i'll just steal an old you know outer limits 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:17.380 uh plot and throw it in here but but yeah i know 00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:21.519 that the westworld slash angel heart ending was 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.500 like this is neither angel heart nor westworld 00:34:24.500 --> 00:34:27.739 so um yeah and i you know you guys know i've 00:34:27.739 --> 00:34:30.059 been playing around with ai a lot uh you know 00:34:30.059 --> 00:34:32.039 i paid 20 bucks a month for the plus version 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.699 and i dump this into Chad GPT. And I'm like, 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:36.519 Hey, tell me what the fuck is going on with this 00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.199 movie. And it got all elevated and shit. And 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.760 I'm like, no, no, I'm just not seeing it, man. 00:34:42.820 --> 00:34:45.840 It's like, it's like, there are three scales 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.139 of the same process, contact transmission and 00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:51.579 manifestation, you know? And I'm like, you are 00:34:51.579 --> 00:34:54.460 some creepy pasta, cheap ass motherfucker. Get 00:34:54.460 --> 00:34:57.639 out of my computer. I was so disappointed. And 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.280 if it's going to be, if it's going to be that. 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.059 then you need to be consistent throughout the 00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:06.019 film. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, honestly, 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.199 that sums up this movie in a nutshell. Inconsistent. 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.219 It's just, yeah, man, it was. It was just very 00:35:14.219 --> 00:35:18.380 inconsistent. It needed to just pick a genre. 00:35:18.380 --> 00:35:21.900 I think it's wrong too much on its ending premise. 00:35:22.019 --> 00:35:23.780 It was like, we're going to start with the ending 00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:27.079 and just build everything else from there. And 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.219 so, you know, the idea that he's not solving 00:35:30.219 --> 00:35:33.199 a haunting. He is the haunting being built, you 00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.480 know, all along. It's a cool concept, but the 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.699 execution was so all over the place that it's 00:35:40.699 --> 00:35:42.460 like by the time I get there, I don't give a 00:35:42.460 --> 00:35:47.000 fuck. Right. No, you don't. You don't care. You're 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.099 like, I don't know. They just didn't do a good 00:35:49.099 --> 00:35:51.400 job of selling me on anything. That's the thing. 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:55.289 They just. Yeah. Like, you know. Steven Root 00:35:55.289 --> 00:35:58.489 could get me to join a cult. I watched him in 00:35:58.489 --> 00:36:00.489 Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? like two days before 00:36:00.489 --> 00:36:03.289 that. So it was kind of a drag seeing him. Aw, 00:36:03.289 --> 00:36:07.320 man. Aw. So I want to rate this movie before 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.900 we try to pick out the

scared shit list. And 00:36:10.900 --> 00:36:15.679 I am begrudgingly giving it three stars and not 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:18.519 three and a half, not three point anything straight 00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:22.280 up flat three. And the reason is it really did 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.860 affect an entire generation of people during 00:36:24.860 --> 00:36:29.059 the COVID epidemic with this sort of like creepy 00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:32.710 pasta style. horror that a lot of people like 00:36:32.710 --> 00:36:35.730 and and i believe people will be talking about 00:36:35.730 --> 00:36:38.789 it in 10 years just because of that but the execution 00:36:38.789 --> 00:36:41.429 was so poor and it was so inconsistent that i 00:36:41.429 --> 00:36:43.670 can't give it any more than three stars and it's 00:36:43.670 --> 00:36:45.590 only getting three stars because i did i did 00:36:45.590 --> 00:36:48.130 a deep dive and there are a lot of people who 00:36:48.130 --> 00:36:50.590 like this movie they feel like it's this elevated 00:36:50.590 --> 00:36:54.099 you know cosmic important thing To me, it's not, 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:55.619 though. I've seen good cosmic horror. I mean, 00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.900 we just did some good cosmic horror. That is 00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:00.059 not what this is. This is all over the place, 00:37:00.139 --> 00:37:03.139 but it's got a lot of cool shit in it. I'll give 00:37:03.139 --> 00:37:05.579 it that. It's got a lot of bits and pieces, but 00:37:05.579 --> 00:37:10.059 the whole is not, you know, cohesive. So, three 00:37:10.059 --> 00:37:14.960 stars for me. Two hanging teenagers. Yeah, no, 00:37:15.099 --> 00:37:18.300 I mean, that's the thing is, like you said, visually 00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:20.610 stunning. love the fact that it was shot in south 00:37:20.610 --> 00:37:22.730 africa think that's fucking great because it 00:37:22.730 --> 00:37:24.250 was funny because watching it i was like well 00:37:24.250 --> 00:37:27.230 it's not california it's got a little connecticut 00:37:27.230 --> 00:37:30.610 going on maybe a little massachusetts like i 00:37:30.610 --> 00:37:32.849 couldn't pick it out and then when i looked it 00:37:32.849 --> 00:37:35.369 up i was like well that makes sense like it's 00:37:35.369 --> 00:37:39.230 fucking south africa would have known that um 00:37:39.230 --> 00:37:42.409 yeah dude it's like if you could have just picked 00:37:42.409 --> 00:37:45.000 something and stuck with it, I'd have been a 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.420 happy camper. I would have been fine with it. 00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:49.659 Also, I don't believe any horror film should 00:37:49.659 --> 00:37:51.619 be two hours and 15 minutes. I believe the only 00:37:51.619 --> 00:37:53.239 movie that really should be like two and a half 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:56.659 hours is Amadeus. And I will, that is, that is 00:37:56.659 --> 00:37:59.840 the hill of which I choose to die on. But yeah. 00:38:00.909 --> 00:38:03.150 Too many notes. Yeah, too many notes. Too many. 00:38:03.210 --> 00:38:07.449 Oh, there it is. So, yes, I would say, yes, two 00:38:07.449 --> 00:38:14.489 hanging teenagers. Two dead kids. This is just 00:38:14.489 --> 00:38:17.130 two empty men. That's all I'm going to say. Ooh. 00:38:18.610 --> 00:38:22.690 Nice. I see what you did there. It's lame. It's 00:38:22.690 --> 00:38:28.329 lame. No. No. It's. No. All right. Well. Didn't 00:38:28.329 --> 00:38:30.400 like it. We're pretty much in agreement. This 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.179 is not a good movie, but it is an important movie 00:38:34.179 --> 00:38:37.940 culturally. And there are good things in it. 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.139 And there are some scares in it. And that's why 00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:43.940 it qualified for our show. And so now it's time 00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:47.059 for the scared shit list. You will be scared 00:38:47.059 --> 00:38:50.920 shitless. And the scared shit list, in case you 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.099 don't know, is the moment during the show where 00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:55.340 we talk about what was actually scary in the 00:38:55.340 --> 00:38:58.559 film. And, and I would say number one for me 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.000 is the hanging bodies under the bridge. I wasn't 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.900 expecting it. They did a nice job with the corpses. 00:39:04.900 --> 00:39:07.679 And it does, it gives you like this sense of 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:09.960 dread. That's, that's very important by that 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.820 point in the movie. Cause up to then, you know, 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.519 except for the first 15 minutes or whatever, 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.960 there's really nothing scary going on. So, okay. 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:21.420 This is a horror movie. Great. Gosh, what else? 00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:24.659 Okay. So I did like the, the cult thing, the 00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:27.599 bonfire. The scene, you know, where he sees the 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.179 cult off in the distance and they're mimicking 00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:32.039 his movements and they're fucking with him. You 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:33.860 know, I was like, oh, this is weird and creepy. 00:39:33.980 --> 00:39:38.599 So I kind of enjoyed that. Paul as a conduit. 00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.920 Oh, it's Paul. It's the guy from the beginning. 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.880 So whatever was transferred to him, that's like 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:46.739 some kind of weird, horrific loudspeaker. You 00:39:46.739 --> 00:39:48.820 know, it's reaching out into the universe and 00:39:48.820 --> 00:39:50.960 whatever. I mean, that was creepy to me, but 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.920 I'm really stretching here. So that's all I got. 00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:59.139 um yeah so i would probably say the the scene 00:39:59.139 --> 00:40:01.360 the scene that really got me i think was when 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.199 he right was by the bonfire when he looked up 00:40:04.199 -->

00:40:07.159 and like the cult just started charging him like 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.000 they were like a you know group of buffalo or 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.840 something like that was and and that they were 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.599 running you know across the bridge right like 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:18.380 there was just this um that that feeling of like 00:40:18.380 --> 00:40:20.880 oh my god like there's way more of them than 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.420 there are of me uh i really liked that As far 00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:27.400 as scary stuff, I hate bridges, so clearly the 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:34.820 whole movie. But I also thought that the scene 00:40:34.820 --> 00:40:38.900 with the teenagers under the bridge was very 00:40:38.900 --> 00:40:43.519 like, oh shit. It kind of reminded me of Nightmare 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.440 on Elm Street 3 where she... stumbles into the 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:50.260 room at the very like very beginning dream and 00:40:50.260 --> 00:40:52.920 she just and there's just like warehouse room 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.519 just filled with dead teenagers like i i it was 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.980 like whoa shit like i i like that a lot that 00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:02.239 was cool so we just stuck with that narrative 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.380 anyway um the the the opening where the guy falls 00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:08.340 through the crevasse and they can't find him 00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:11.139 and stuff that's that's scary man to go caves 00:41:11.139 --> 00:41:13.940 terrify me um but the opening the whole opening 00:41:13.940 --> 00:41:16.360 the idea You go in there, that happening to your 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.679 friend, you get stuck in a cabin. The opening 00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.179 of that movie is very scary. It's really well 00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:23.659 done. The whole full car thing, charging the 00:41:23.659 --> 00:41:26.840 cabin. That's really scary shit, man. That's 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:28.920 what held me because we were like, whoa, whoa, 00:41:29.139 --> 00:41:33.260 whoa. So yeah, you want to watch. It's very awesome, 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.199 striking. Yeah, the complete opening of that 00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.880 movie. Absolutely. That's to me. And cults. Cults 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.219 are terrifying. Cults are always hot. And I will 00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:43.039 give them this when it comes to the cult thing. 00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.719 I would have loved the bleak ending, okay? I 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.139 mean, the thing has won, right? They're bowing, 00:41:49.179 --> 00:41:52.800 you know, it's creepy. But it didn't feel earned 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.719 to me. It's like, okay, yeah, this is your awesome, 00:41:55.780 --> 00:41:58.340 scary, you know, the bad guy's won ending, which 00:41:58.340 --> 00:42:00.539 I want from a horror movie. Most of the movies 00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:03.119 we do, there's a downbeat ending, right? Or a 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:06.519 lot of them anyway. But I felt like what it took 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:08.860 to get there, again, by the time I fucking got 00:42:08.860 --> 00:42:10.880 there, I just was like, meh, okay, you know. 00:42:11.139 --> 00:42:16.440 Let the cult have it. Right. Okay. So, again, 00:42:16.539 --> 00:42:19.599 thank you, Gizmaki, for recommending this film. 00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:22.800 I agree with you. The first 15, 20 minutes are 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.659 excellent, and there are some good horror themes 00:42:26.659 --> 00:42:29.900 peppered throughout, but just not a good cohesive 00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:32.219 movie that I would really honestly recommend 00:42:32.219 --> 00:42:37.119 to anybody that's not into, like, that late 2000s, 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:41.150 so 2020s kind of creepypasta horror. That's all 00:42:41.150 --> 00:42:44.630 over YouTube. So if you're into that, yeah, check 00:42:44.630 --> 00:42:46.369 it out. You know, it might be worth your time. 00:42:47.670 --> 00:42:49.469 What are we going to do next, guys? And when 00:42:49.469 --> 00:42:52.329 are we going to do it? Well, whose turn is it? 00:42:52.909 --> 00:42:55.610 That's a good question because this was a, you 00:42:55.610 --> 00:42:58.239 know, a listener. This was a fan pick. Yeah. 00:42:58.300 --> 00:43:02.480 So who had the movie before? Well, and I had 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.360 you guys doing Stephen King for a little while. 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:10.179 I think the last thing that Slink picked was, 00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:15.320 what was it? Blood and Black Lace. That was the 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.039 last pure Slinky show. I don't know. Okay, so 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.800 we did Color Out of Space, too. I can't remember 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.420 if we did that first or second. And Sims picked 00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:27.429 that. So I think it's you, Aaron Dawn. Okay. 00:43:27.570 --> 00:43:30.550 I know exactly which movie I want to do. Angel 00:43:30.550 --> 00:43:34.730 Heart. Get out of here. I'm ashamed to admit 00:43:34.730 --> 00:43:36.570 I have never watched it from start to finish. 00:43:36.989 --> 00:43:41.769 But I am fully aware of what it's all about. 00:43:41.989 --> 00:43:46.730 It's fucking 1987. Most people have looked it 00:43:46.730 --> 00:43:51.070 up and know the ending or whatever. There are 00:43:51.070 --> 00:43:53.170 no words for how much I absolutely adore this 00:43:53.170 --> 00:43:56.519 movie and there are no words for how how gutted 00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.840 I was upon watching this for the first time in 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:03.840 my 20s and how scary and how uncomfortable and 00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:07.360 all of it. I think it's Mickey Rourke's best 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:11.480 acting, period. I think Slink would probably 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.519 not agree with me because he really likes Sin 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.019 City. I just don't think Mickey Rourke's a good

00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:19.780 actor. He's good Sin City. I like the wrestler, 00:44:19.900 --> 00:44:25.400 but not because of him. But, I mean, even if 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.019 you removed Mickey Rourke, good lord, if you 00:44:28.019 --> 00:44:30.239 removed Mickey Rourke from Angel Heart, Angel 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.280 Heart is still an absolutely phenomenal start 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.780 -to -finish script. Yeah, and from what I remember 00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:40.559 of it, De Niro has a lot of fun. Oh, he's so 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.079 good. Reminds me a little bit of Pacino in Devil's 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.679 Advocate. He's my favorite. He is. Doing his 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.400 thing. No, De Niro's my favorite devil, 100%. 00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:56.070 Spoilers, kids. Sorry. All right. So, Slinky, 00:44:56.230 --> 00:44:59.289 what if we had landed on you? What if it had 00:44:59.289 --> 00:45:01.150 actually been your turn? Are you prepared? We 00:45:01.150 --> 00:45:03.329 are still here. That movie, We Are Still Here. 00:45:03.570 --> 00:45:07.449 We Are Still Here? Yep. I don't know it. Do tell. 00:45:07.730 --> 00:45:10.789 2015 haunted house movie by a guy named Ted Geoghegan. 00:45:10.909 --> 00:45:14.030 And his biggest influence was House by the Cemetery 00:45:14.030 --> 00:45:17.329 and Lovecraftian Cosmic Horror. Okay. All right. 00:45:17.369 --> 00:45:20.940 So, that's yours. So we've got Angel Heart. We 00:45:20.940 --> 00:45:23.000 are still here. And then the next one that I 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.139 want to do whenever we get around to my turn 00:45:25.139 --> 00:45:28.889 is Ghost. With Patrick Swayze. Oh, like with 00:45:28.889 --> 00:45:31.190 Patrick Swayze. Fucking division of hell in that 00:45:31.190 --> 00:45:34.590 movie. Good lord. Because we can do non -horror 00:45:34.590 --> 00:45:37.670 movies that have very scary things in them. And 00:45:37.670 --> 00:45:40.849 this will be, guess what? This will be a first 00:45:40.849 --> 00:45:43.570 time watch for me. No. I've never seen Guest. 00:45:43.909 --> 00:45:47.789 It's that part. Yeah, it's scary as shit. No, 00:45:47.949 --> 00:45:49.889 I've never seen it. So this will be a first time. 00:45:49.969 --> 00:45:52.070 I know. How sad. I haven't seen it. All right. 00:45:52.110 --> 00:45:56.210 So yes, fans of the show, we've got a great lineup 00:45:56.210 --> 00:45:59.000 for you. I'm also working on getting some special 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.539 guests for the show, including Mr. Dean Cameron, 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:05.480 who actually is in a couple of real horror movies. 00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:09.079 I love him in Bad Dreams. Yes. Bad Dreams is 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:11.780 one of my favorite. That's another really great, 00:46:11.900 --> 00:46:15.949 like. whoa kind of kind of a horror film that 00:46:15.949 --> 00:46:18.889 that that is sort of like leads you in one direction 00:46:18.889 --> 00:46:21.170 and then turns it but it doesn't lead you in 00:46:21.170 --> 00:46:23.849 46 directions and that's how i want to do the 00:46:23.849 --> 00:46:25.889 show when we get him on is you know obviously 00:46:25.889 --> 00:46:27.690 we'll talk with him about his whole career but 00:46:27.690 --> 00:46:30.590 then bad dreams i want to be the focus the main 00:46:30.590 --> 00:46:32.489 focus of the show and then he's also got a new 00:46:33.050 --> 00:46:35.989 horror movie where he plays a villain. So it 00:46:35.989 --> 00:46:38.289 should be fun. That's exciting. I love Dean. 00:46:38.429 --> 00:46:41.630 He's great. But yeah, lots of great stuff coming 00:46:41.630 --> 00:46:45.090 up over the next couple of months. I'm going 00:46:45.090 --> 00:46:48.269 to be in Orlando this week. So I'm so sorry that 00:46:48.269 --> 00:46:51.130 I'm going to miss you guys, but we'll get together 00:46:51.130 --> 00:46:54.250 eventually. I know we will. Yeah. My pesky ovaries. 00:46:56.170 --> 00:46:58.849 Well. Listen, wishing you all the best with that, 00:46:58.889 --> 00:47:02.269 of course. And you know that, you know, your 00:47:02.269 --> 00:47:04.050 health and your family and your safety always 00:47:04.050 --> 00:47:07.809 comes first. So yeah, I guess that's, that's 00:47:07.809 --> 00:47:11.170 a wrap then for tonight. Love you guys. Love 00:47:11.170 --> 00:47:13.610 you too. All right. I think you have to stop 00:47:13.610 --> 00:47:16.369 the recording. Yeah. I'm getting all mushy and 00:47:16.369 --> 00:47:19.989 the listeners are still like, huh? So yeah. Till 00:47:19.989 --> 00:47:21.969 next time. Stay shitless.