บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ S01E07 - Interview with Connor Anderson Part 2

and about where they were coming from in terms of like the story design, but Krull is a world where magic is part of the natural order. 00:04:35.997 --> 00:04:42.377 Just as much as like, um, in the book, they talk about the unique magnetosphere. 00:04:42.387 --> 00:04:58.982 So they're talking about more like scientific aspects of the planet, but the unique magnetosphere is an aspect of Krull that the fortress, the Black Fortress uses to travel in it's sort of like interdimensional style all over the planet every time the suns rise. 00:04:59.432 --> 00:05:06.812 So they, they acknowledge that Krull has unique properties at a scientific level, but magic is also part of the natural order. 00:05:06.812 --> 00:05:19.072 So you have like this really strange science, and then you also have magic and what happens when science and magic collide, or not even collide what happens when they coexist. 00:05:20.622 --> 00:05:31.932 And I, as a side note, I think the Beast is an example is a, as a separate example, almost a foil of, you know, Krull is this beautiful planet where science and magic coexist. 00:05:32.232 --> 00:05:36.002 I think the Beast is also the result of science and magic. 00:05:36.002 --> 00:05:42.096 Like I think a lot of what the Beast does has to do with biotechnology more so than biomancy. 00:05:42.305 --> 00:05:52.286 And so you have like the high technology that enables space travel, the interstellar travel, then you have the magic stuff that lends itself to like illusion and manipulation and, you know, things like that. 00:05:52.576 --> 00:05:56.995 So, I think, I think the Beast is a great foil for the entire planet of Krull. 00:05:57.016 --> 00:05:58.696 He's like the cancerous version. 00:05:59.125 --> 00:06:02.286 Um, but that's just, that's just me spewing thoughts. 00:06:02.286 --> 00:06:04.005 I don't really have a question related to that. 00:06:04.005 --> 00:06:05.206 I just wanted to share that with you, I 00:06:05.310 --> 00:06:06.011 Fantastic. 00:06:06.011 --> 00:06:12.735 Then I'm not gonna feel bad derailing that by saying I just had the If you watch this 30 seconds ago, I had an epiphany. 00:06:13.055 --> 00:06:14.255 So do you think. 00:06:15.281 --> 00:06:18.211 This prophecy is Krull-based or universe-based? 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:24.591 And is the Beast hopping from planet to planet looking for girls of ancient names to rule the galaxy? 00:06:24.591 --> 00:06:26.901 Because I know that the Beast is not a Beast. 00:06:26.911 --> 00:06:38.846 It's a The beast, there, it's a whole species, So are there different beasts on different worlds looking for that one true girl of ancient name? 00:06:39.776 --> 00:06:44.375 So that's a great question, because I think, okay, so let's, let's go back to the first question. 00:06:44.375 --> 00:06:48.245 The first question was, is it a Krull prophecy or is it a universal prophecy? 00:06:49.375 --> 00:06:50.586 So if we, 00:06:50.906 --> 00:06:52.096 why does the Beast know about

it? 00:06:52.146 --> 00:07:00.336 So if you open the book by Alan Dean Foster, on the very cover page, like there's not even, it's literally the cover page, right? 00:07:00.386 --> 00:07:06.355 It starts off saying tumbling through galactic space, the Glaive bears this message. 00:07:07.026 --> 00:07:09.315 So, the Glaive is traveling through space. 00:07:09.315 --> 00:07:11.795 We see that in the opening credits of the movie, right? 00:07:11.815 --> 00:07:16.456 And, and for us in the eighties, it was a flashy way to put the title on the screen, but it's actually. 00:07:16.596 --> 00:07:16.755 So, the 00:07:16.755 --> 00:07:17.425 Glaive is not from Krull. 00:07:17.995 --> 00:07:20.906 The Glaive is not from Krull and the Glaive is in transit to Krull. 00:07:20.906 --> 00:07:21.206 Correct. 00:07:21.490 --> 00:07:26.081 And this is before Ynyr finds it the first time and uses it to fulfill the prophecy back before he fails. 00:07:26.826 --> 00:07:30.016 Well, actually, Ynyr doesn't use the Glaive, but the 00:07:30.151 --> 00:07:30.721 just knows where it 00:07:30.755 --> 00:07:31.005 you. 00:07:31.435 --> 00:07:32.225 He, he, yeah. 00:07:32.235 --> 00:07:35.300 So, so we're going to have to hit on that and just, we're going to get into a whole like 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:36.161 we got a whole 00:07:36.605 --> 00:07:37.235 episode. 00:07:37.235 --> 00:07:39.360 All right. 00:07:39.761 --> 00:07:46.901 So it says from the sky will come the Black Fortress, from the fortress will come the Slayers to devour the planet of Krull. 00:07:48.201 --> 00:07:54.120 Then shall a girl of ancient name become queen, she shall choose a king and together they shall rule the planet and their son shall rule the galaxy. 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:59.701 And then it talks about, sort of, it goes back to like the description of the Glaive itself. 00:08:00.156 --> 00:08:07.110 Um, imbued with a fearsome power, can be a wondrous weapon in the hands of the right man, it can save the planet. 00:08:07.440 --> 00:08:10.110 Alright, so, so to answer the first question. 00:08:10.370 --> 00:08:16.781 I have reason to believe this is a prophecy for Krull, but I agree with you that the Beast knows about it. 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.630 The Beast is doing this intentionally, with great intention. 00:08:21.021 --> 00:08:27.031 Um, he, he is there to, um, hijack, for lack of a better term, the prophecy, 00:08:27.151 --> 00:08:31.430 he even says in the film, uh, I will be the king that you choose. 00:08:31.490 --> 00:08:32.451 Like, to Lyssa. 00:08:32.471 --> 00:08:42.041 So he's, he acknowledges that the, the Beast acknowledges that he knows about the prophecy and is saying, Hey, you're going to choose me and we can rule the galaxy together. 00:08:43.355 --> 00:08:44.936 So yes, the Beast does know about that. 00:08:45.620 --> 00:08:46.801 Absolutely, he does. 00:08:47.291 --> 00:08:50.640 Um, it'll take me a moment to find it. 00:08:51.390 --> 00:08:51.961 What, what's that? 00:08:51.961 --> 00:08:52.591 No, you go ahead, you 00:08:52.645 --> 00:08:53.765 No, I'm just laughing about it. 00:08:54.745 --> 00:08:55.975 This is the nerdiest thing I've ever done. 00:08:55.975 --> 00:08:56.456 And I love it. 00:08:58.831 --> 00:08:59.640 Just being on this show? 00:08:59.716 --> 00:09:00.046 Yeah. 00:09:00.046 --> 00:09:01.666 Like what's the target audience? 00:09:01.666 --> 00:09:04.846 The target audience for this is the two of us, and we're already doing this. 00:09:05.745 --> 00:09:12.202 So we should, 00:09:12.910 --> 00:09:13.360 true. 00:09:15.201 --> 00:09:16.071 You're not wrong. 00:09:16.380 --> 00:09:17.130 You're not wrong. 00:09:17.900 --> 00:09:24.100 Um, I'll have, you know what, I'm going to have to take some time offline to like, read through this, the liner notes again. 00:09:24.725 --> 00:09:30.466 should, we should dedicate this podcast to the movie and do a second one dedicated to just the book. 00:09:31.010 --> 00:09:31.740 And then 00:09:32.130 --> 00:09:36.140 you, you're hitting on an idea that I've had, like there needs to be deep dives into each of these 00:09:36.186 --> 00:09:42.535 because they're all they're all different enough that you could kind of dedicate a whole Segment to each of them for sure. 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:42.836 Yeah. 00:09:43.485 --> 00:09:47.166 Now, let me, let me, since we're on the topic of Ynyr, I want to go back to Rell in a second. 00:09:47.186 --> 00:09:50.375 But since we're on the topic of Ynyr, I want to challenge something really quick. 00:09:50.676 --> 00:09:53.145 Because I asked you the question like, how old is Ynyr? 00:09:53.166 --> 00:09:56.005 And then you immediately threw out the quote, which I thought was fantastic. 00:09:56.015 --> 00:09:57.765 Well, not as old as all that. 00:09:57.995 --> 00:09:59.895 So then it comes with like a binary question. 00:09:59.905 --> 00:10:01.875 First of all, how old is all that? 00:10:02.196 --> 00:10:03.306 And second, 00:10:04.355 --> 00:10:07.275 All That was a show I think from the 00:10:07.535 --> 00:10:11.125 In the 90s, it was the 90s, so, yes, yes, 00:10:11.235 --> 00:10:12.336 a handful of other. 00:10:13.015 --> 00:10:17.471 Yeah, so he's not that old I mean he was actually older than All That To 00:10:17.635 --> 00:10:19.426 he is actually older than All That. 00:10:20.221 --> 00:10:20.541 Sorry. 00:10:22.765 --> 00:10:25.326 He would live long enough to see All That. 00:10:25.336 --> 00:10:25.740 Would not, 00:10:26.041 --> 00:10:26.421 Yeah. 00:10:26.721 --> 00:10:29.946 not die until much later, but, um, anyway. 00:10:30.275 --> 00:10:31.615 So, gosh dang it. 00:10:32.285 --> 00:10:33.086 Uh, that's 00:10:33.091 --> 00:10:34.390 derailing your actual 00:10:34.561 --> 00:10:34.980 I think it's 00:10:35.041 --> 00:10:35.870 dumb remarks. 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:37.630 So, so, okay. 00:10:37.760 --> 00:10:39.721 So here are, here are some thoughts. 00:10:41.061 --> 00:10:47.630 You and I agree with, with a

preponderance of evidence that he obviously knows where the Glaive is at. 00:10:47.640 --> 00:10:49.301 Like, he knows where it is. 00:10:49.640 --> 00:11:03.500 That would presuppose that either he was there to witness whatever events led to the Glaive being at that point, or he was simply educated as to its location by, you know, the passing down of knowledge. 00:11:03.730 --> 00:11:06.100 Or, he couldn't get it. 00:11:06.390 --> 00:11:10.071 He knows where it was, because he tried to go up there, but he couldn't get it out of the lava. 00:11:10.841 --> 00:11:23.760 that is highly possible because in the book, he has this inner monologue moment where he genuinely questions if he could have been the kind of man to wield the Glaive successfully. 00:11:24.041 --> 00:11:40.591 And it sounds, I mean, they leave it pretty open ended, but one could, one interpretation could be that he has regret that he never tried, that there was fear about it or that he was never successfully able to even possess it. 00:11:41.081 --> 00:11:56.780 In the book, it also does a much better job of explaining when Colwyn takes the Glaive, there is a bond that is formed between him and the weapon, and the weapon has its own level of sentience, has its own sense of will, its own sense of purpose. 00:11:57.270 --> 00:12:12.630 But in the book, and they don't do this in the movie, obviously, but in the book, when he's like still in the cave, he feels compelled to throw it away from him, and then he is shocked when it returns harmlessly to his hand. 00:12:13.191 --> 00:12:16.451 And in that moment, they kind of understand each other a little bit. 00:12:16.750 --> 00:12:22.750 That is one of my favorite things of the film, is that Colwyn goes up to this, the highest peak. 00:12:22.961 --> 00:12:27.630 And he finds this ancient weapon, and his first instinct is just to huck it off the hill as far as he can. 00:12:29.711 --> 00:12:37.431 And he's like, no, no, no, don't use it yet! It's like, Frodo gets the one ring, he's like, yep, alright, we're gonna throw it over there and just keep going. 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:38.350 I love that. 00:12:38.390 --> 00:12:38.860 It cracks 00:12:38.885 --> 00:12:39.765 I was so excited. 00:12:39.811 --> 00:12:40.211 see it. 00:12:40.576 --> 00:12:42.035 I was so excited finding it the first time. 00:12:42.035 --> 00:12:42.505 I want to find it 00:12:42.900 --> 00:12:47.421 And he's like, he looks so, he's like playing frisbee with it, he's so excited when he runs down the hill. 00:12:48.515 --> 00:12:53.086 Yeah, he comes down the hill and then, yeah, but, uh, and then Ynyr stops him, right? 00:12:53.086 --> 00:12:55.466 Ynyr teaches him a little bit of self control there. 00:12:55.865 --> 00:12:56.296 Um, 00:12:56.971 --> 00:12:58.921 Cracks me up every time I watch that shot. 00:13:01.061 --> 00:13:05.230 He's just like, look what I found! Woo! Oh, there it 00:13:05.255 --> 00:13:14.265 know, well, you know, what's funny is in the 80s, naturally this would happen, but in the 80s, there was a limited print of frisbees with the Glaive printed on it 00:13:14.331 --> 00:13:16.650 Well, I'll be going on eBay later and I'll, 00:13:17.025 --> 00:13:22.446 from, from what I understand there was, it was primarily a promotional item for the cast and crew. 00:13:23.755 --> 00:13:25.985 But there were a few that got out into the wild. 00:13:25.985 --> 00:13:26.306 I don't know. 00:13:26.346 --> 00:13:28.696 I don't know if they ever sold it on shelves or if they did. 00:13:28.696 --> 00:13:32.916 I think there were two different prints because there's one print that's especially for the production crew. 00:13:33.255 --> 00:13:37.426 And then there's one print that was sort of out in the wild, but it was very, it was a very limited run. 00:13:37.640 --> 00:13:38.400 a cool idea. 00:13:38.995 --> 00:13:39.255 I know. 00:13:39.530 --> 00:13:39.791 Yeah. 00:13:40.086 --> 00:13:42.365 Um, so, okay. 00:13:42.395 --> 00:13:51.019 So, Ynyr knows where the Glaive is and Ynyr this for me, this is like the biggest piece of evidence that he's much older than we think he is. 00:13:51.698 --> 00:14:07.499 He has lived long enough to know not, not just have belief, but to know that the Glaive is real when absolutely everybody else, including a crowned prince of a kingdom thinks that it's religious iconography. 00:14:08.293 --> 00:14:08.744 Yeah. 00:14:09.553 --> 00:14:16.514 It's, it's part of their, I, we don't get a clear sense of what their full religion perspective is. 00:14:16.514 --> 00:14:16.754 Right. 00:14:17.053 --> 00:14:23.073 But we know that it's, we know that it's part of like their emblems of power because it's all over the White Castle of Eirig. 00:14:23.094 --> 00:14:24.124 All over the throne room. 00:14:24.124 --> 00:14:24.313 Yeah. 00:14:24.614 --> 00:14:25.443 all over the throne room. 00:14:25.453 --> 00:14:28.254 It's in the bottom of the basin and during the wedding ceremony. 00:14:28.553 --> 00:14:29.653 Ynyr's got on his staff. 00:14:29.953 --> 00:14:31.024 He has it on his staff. 00:14:31.043 --> 00:14:31.833 It's symbolic. 00:14:31.984 --> 00:14:36.683 And then of course, Colwyn gives us the exposition of, but it's just an ancient symbol. 00:14:36.683 --> 00:14:42.193 It's not even real, you know, and then and then Ynyr has to educate him on like, oh, it's very real. 00:14:42.443 --> 00:14:45.244 And it used to be a very powerful weapon, indeed, and all this other stuff, right. 00:14:46.716 --> 00:14:52.433 So, so extrapolating from all that Ynyr has seen it in action. 00:14:52.683 --> 00:14:55.509 He knows what it's capabilities are to some degree. 00:14:55.769 --> 00:15:02.298 He understands the nature of it well enough to know that he himself cannot wield it, but someone special can, he understands. 00:15:02.298 --> 00:15:07.568 And I think people are going to get mad at me for saying this, but, but just for the moment, go with me on this ride. 00:15:07.759 -->

00:15:10.739 He understands he has to find the right man for this job. 00:15:10.749 --> 00:15:14.739 It needs to be wielded by a man in this case for a reason. 00:15:15.649 --> 00:15:23.259 And then fourth, he has witnessed it become an emblem and an icon that everyone thinks is metaphoric. 00:15:23.259 --> 00:15:25.028 I don't know where they think that emblem comes from. 00:15:25.028 --> 00:15:28.298 Maybe they tell stories like Grecian mythology. 00:15:28.298 --> 00:15:33.068 I don't know that, but he's seen it used in iconography. 00:15:33.068 --> 00:15:36.458 Like you said, it's on his staff, but people don't believe it's real anymore. 00:15:36.458 --> 00:15:39.038 It's gone long enough that people don't believe it's real anymore. 00:15:39.038 --> 00:15:43.203 So he knew it was real and now people don't know that it's real at all. 00:15:43.413 --> 00:15:45.254 So how long do you think that takes? 00:15:45.553 --> 00:15:54.234 I, this is gonna sound absolutely insane, but I have never once thought about the, like, the mythology of the world that led to that point. 00:15:55.193 --> 00:15:58.244 And I feel really stupid for having never thought about that. 00:15:59.724 --> 00:16:01.124 Like, that's such a cool idea. 00:16:01.124 --> 00:16:03.323 Like, yeah, why does everyone know what the Glaive is? 00:16:03.854 --> 00:16:05.864 To the point that it's everywhere. 00:16:06.089 --> 00:16:07.458 But no one thinks it's real anymore. 00:16:07.849 --> 00:16:13.818 So, uh, Krebs, uh, Um, 00:16:13.854 --> 00:16:15.754 is why I love talking about this movie. 00:16:15.994 --> 00:16:17.964 People don't understand how cool this movie 00:16:18.089 --> 00:16:35.423 so that means, at some point in the history of Krull, some event happened where the Glaive was like, Hey everyone, look at this magic item saving the world! And then, it got lost, and then, those, some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. 00:16:35.453 --> 00:16:39.563 Myths became legends, legends became whatever the Lord of the Rings quote is from the beginning of that. 00:16:40.073 --> 00:16:53.313 So, yeah, there must have been, so what was the event that would have required the Glaive thousands of years ago that Ynyr witnessed that started this whole legend? 00:16:53.823 --> 00:16:55.364 Let me challenge that thought for a second. 00:16:55.364 --> 00:16:57.884 What makes you think it takes thousands of years for people to forget? 00:16:57.994 --> 00:16:58.474 that's true. 00:16:58.514 --> 00:16:59.403 You're also right. 00:17:00.423 --> 00:17:01.563 You're also right with that. 00:17:01.594 --> 00:17:05.713 I mean, people don't know what VHS tapes are anymore. 00:17:05.713 --> 00:17:10.253 So like this all could have happened 30 years ago in the world, you know, 00:17:11.003 --> 00:17:15.413 All them, all them Krull kids going around with the dang one-eye Phones. 00:17:15.834 --> 00:17:16.054 disc. 00:17:16.213 --> 00:17:17.614 I thought it was just a symbol. 00:17:17.624 -->

00:17:18.554 It's not a real thing. 00:17:19.513 --> 00:17:20.804 It was very real once. 00:17:21.648 --> 00:17:23.719 Very powerful and ancient medium. 00:17:24.753 --> 00:17:31.273 So after films happened, uh, yeah, I mean, it could have been so, which could mean. 00:17:33.544 --> 00:17:36.433 That Ynyr could not, I mean, he might not be that old. 00:17:37.409 --> 00:17:37.919 So 00:17:38.023 --> 00:17:39.963 old enough to know about the old stuff. 00:17:40.479 --> 00:17:56.239 yeah, so what, just, just thinking through it for a second, what would you say is the minimum length of time for an entire planet, as far as we know, to forget about an ancient and real weapon that was used in, in a major event on the planet. 00:17:57.594 --> 00:18:05.784 I'm gonna say not that long and I'm trying to do everything I can to not make this a really depressing conversation 00:18:07.888 --> 00:18:08.689 You're doing great by the 00:18:08.894 --> 00:18:21.479 Because historically speaking we as humans have done some pretty awful things to each other and don't seem to remember that so yeah, so I'm gonna say Okay. 00:18:21.479 --> 00:18:29.368 So let's talk about this in a, in a metaphorical ethereal sort of non literal sense, a few hundred years. 00:18:30.233 --> 00:18:34.463 Okay, like, we don't know the exact details of the Revolutionary War, right? 00:18:34.743 --> 00:18:40.604 We know these battles happened, but we don't know, Oh, these 50 guys with these names were in that battle. 00:18:40.614 --> 00:18:41.443 I mean, we might. 00:18:41.493 --> 00:18:41.983 I don't know. 00:18:42.044 --> 00:18:42.993 This might be a bad example. 00:18:42.993 --> 00:18:49.114 But like, a few hundred years feels like a good enough time to know the stories, but not the details. 00:18:51.108 --> 00:18:56.199 But I feel like you need a couple extra hundred years to make something sort of a legendary figure. 00:18:56.229 --> 00:19:05.679 I mean, I feel like a lot of our Earth based legends are all, I mean, but even that's kind of wrong. 00:19:05.719 --> 00:19:08.538 I feel like this is a, this is a really tricky question. 00:19:09.134 --> 00:19:09.433 All right. 00:19:09.463 --> 00:19:15.784 So, so allow me just to throw this out and then you can feel free to agree with me or tell me I'm an ignoramus or 00:19:15.838 --> 00:19:17.209 you're an ignoramus, Krebs. 00:19:17.558 --> 00:19:17.818 Thank you. 00:19:17.818 --> 00:19:18.419 I appreciate that. 00:19:18.598 --> 00:19:23.449 Um, I, I want to put a minimum time span on this. 00:19:23.449 --> 00:19:23.858 Okay. 00:19:24.699 --> 00:19:28.979 I think it would take at least 100 years. 00:19:30.338 --> 00:19:42.949 I think, like if, if we right now that we have the benefit of, of so much technology in terms of recording our history, reporting our history and revisiting our history. 00:19:43.249 --> 00:19:43.588 true. 00:19:44.239 --> 00:19:56.388 Um, But let's let let's place ourselves in the 15th century, as we understand it, and

then let's say, okay, so it's 1524. 00:19:56.439 --> 00:19:59.019 What was life like in 1424? 00:20:00.429 --> 00:20:13.328 And I don't know, I don't I don't fully understand what the answers would sound like if you ask someone in 1524, what life was like 100 years prior. 00:20:13.459 --> 00:20:18.199 Yeah, I think the, the thing is going to be writing down that information, right? 00:20:19.868 --> 00:20:24.298 that is what keeps those stories and that information alive and going. 00:20:24.298 --> 00:20:28.929 So, do the people of Krull have a written history? 00:20:30.003 --> 00:20:31.344 We know Ergo does. 00:20:31.604 --> 00:20:32.713 He's one of the hill people. 00:20:32.743 --> 00:20:33.794 They're kind of looked down on. 00:20:33.953 --> 00:20:36.013 All of his spells are written down on cards. 00:20:36.503 --> 00:20:42.207 So you're going to say that HE can write, but Colwyn, the prince, doesn't know how to read? 00:20:42.673 --> 00:20:50.983 I feel like you have to assume that there has to be some sort of written language on Krull probably many written languages, right? 00:20:50.983 --> 00:20:52.703 So there has to be some sort of history. 00:20:52.713 --> 00:21:05.074 So whatever the Glaive stuff is has to have existed before the invention of written language to make it that sort of mythological Oh, it didn't really happen. 00:21:05.903 --> 00:21:08.874 You know, this was before recorded history sort of thing, right? 00:21:09.243 --> 00:21:12.983 So yeah, at least a hundred years, maybe a few hundred. 00:21:14.084 --> 00:21:17.364 Yeah, I would, I would absolutely entertain a few hundred, right? 00:21:18.794 --> 00:21:21.034 And, and, uh, here's a rhetorical question. 00:21:21.268 --> 00:21:25.042 We know that the Glaive has uh, script on it, right? 00:21:25.692 --> 00:21:30.883 And, um, and it says that the Glaive arrived on Krull bearing this message. 00:21:31.432 --> 00:21:35.623 And so, the, the prophecy is what I assume 00:21:36.212 --> 00:21:37.492 You're so right. 00:21:38.883 --> 00:21:42.373 Oh, you're so oh my god, that's I got goosebumps. 00:21:42.383 --> 00:21:43.373 That's very exciting. 00:21:43.432 --> 00:21:44.282 You're so right. 00:21:44.542 --> 00:21:46.573 That's how the Glaive delivers the message. 00:21:47.083 --> 00:22:01.242 So, if the Glaive is alien the Glaive is from somewhere else, we don't know where but it came through space to get to Krull, so someone sent a, a bladey, powerful text message to the entire planet of Krull, 00:22:01.742 --> 00:22:14.373 it says so is the planet Krull only called Krull because the Glaive said it is because the Glaive message says from the sky will come the Black Fortress yada yada yada to devour the planet of Krull. 00:22:14.833 --> 00:22:18.883 And if that is what's written on the Glaive, does the Glaive name the planet? 00:22:19.843 --> 00:22:20.063 Well, 00:22:20.248 --> 00:22:21.167 But how do they read it? 00:22:21.587 --> 00:22:22.897 Also, how would they read it? 00:22:23.373 --> 00:22:23.653 See? 00:22:23.903 --> 00:22:24.173 See? 00:22:24.363 --> 00:22:36.722 So, so, I mean, it's high alien technology, it has a will of its own, it has a level of sentience, and that was going to be my rhetorical question, which is like, how did the creators of the Glaive know which alphabet to use? 00:22:37.313 --> 00:22:39.083 Maybe that's not the right question. 00:22:39.262 --> 00:22:42.893 Maybe the next question is, how does the Glaive display the message? 00:22:43.232 --> 00:22:44.992 And how is the message perceived? 00:22:45.002 --> 00:22:46.163 That's really the 00:22:46.397 --> 00:22:48.228 deciphered on the receiving end? 00:22:48.778 --> 00:23:00.817 Yeah, and could you imagine being on Krull when a shooting star is actually a shreddy star, and it lands in the field with you, and then you look at it, and it's like, Hi, I'm a little 00:23:01.198 --> 00:23:02.178 Oh, guess what? 00:23:02.288 --> 00:23:04.178 You're gonna get invaded in 10 days. 00:23:04.228 --> 00:23:05.528 Oh, this is an awful thing. 00:23:06.087 --> 00:23:07.397 The Blackcoats are coming! 00:23:07.597 --> 00:23:09.018 one's gonna believe this. 00:23:09.018 --> 00:23:09.938 Some kid picks it up. 00:23:09.938 --> 00:23:11.357 He's like, Oh, man, look. 00:23:11.458 --> 00:23:12.548 Oh, no, we're gonna be invaded. 00:23:12.887 --> 00:23:14.498 Oh, a girl of ancient name. 00:23:14.768 --> 00:23:15.803 Now I gotta go find a girl. 00:23:16.103 --> 00:23:22.462 you think that people would intentionally name their daughters after ancient names, hoping they'd be the princess to rule the galaxy? 00:23:22.758 --> 00:23:24.617 It's very much a Willy Wonka problem, right? 00:23:24.627 --> 00:23:27.788 Like it's, it's like, Oh, it's going to be me. 00:23:27.788 --> 00:23:28.768 It's got to be me. 00:23:28.768 --> 00:23:34.317 And like little Veruca Salt out there is like, I'm the princess and I'm gonna be the queen. 00:23:34.337 --> 00:23:35.288 And it's not true. 00:23:35.428 --> 00:23:35.708 Right? 00:23:35.708 --> 00:23:37.657 How many maybe maybe Oh, check this out. 00:23:37.657 --> 00:23:38.248 Check this out. 00:23:38.258 --> 00:23:38.557 What? 00:23:38.817 --> 00:23:51.113 What if every kingdom on the planet had a tradition, habit, or ambition of naming all of their princess daughters after ancient names? 00:23:51.502 --> 00:23:52.583 They're the ones to rule the planet 00:23:52.883 --> 00:23:54.492 hoping they're the ones to rule the planet. 00:23:54.792 --> 00:24:01.272 So, there's a short term political move of, Oh, well, here's this new ancient name princess, but also, 00:24:01.303 --> 00:24:03.363 if you don't, you automatically exclude your daughter from the 00:24:03.702 --> 00:24:05.022 You're right You're right. 00:24:05.752 --> 00:24:07.002 But here's another problem. 00:24:07.053 --> 00:24:15.978 If, if the ancient name is Lyssa, and suddenly, we're naming all of our daughters Lyssa, It's, it's kind of a modern name now, right? 00:24:15.978

--> 00:24:21.678 So like, so can you undo an ancient name by renaming too many people that name? 00:24:22.843 --> 00:24:28.508 uh, well, you know what, Elizabeth is still modern, but Elizabeth's been around for a dang long time, right? 00:24:28.807 --> 00:24:30.428 Is Lissa short for something? 00:24:31.522 --> 00:24:33.173 uh, Alyssa? 00:24:33.222 --> 00:24:36.333 No, actually, in the, in the book that's all it says. 00:24:36.502 --> 00:24:37.133 Lyssa! 00:24:39.192 --> 00:24:46.303 Um, so, so, uh, to your point though, like in the prophecy, it doesn't, it doesn't say Lyssa, it just says ancient name. 00:24:46.313 --> 00:24:46.557 So, 00:24:46.857 --> 00:24:47.147 name. 00:24:47.147 --> 00:24:47.508 Yeah. 00:24:48.073 --> 00:24:53.982 So to kind of sum up that, how old is Ynyr, I think it's at least a hundred years in a time with, with low technology. 00:24:54.262 --> 00:24:56.712 I think it's at least a hundred years, but it's probably longer than that. 00:24:57.229 --> 00:25:03.648 Would argue that it, I think it's more than that because if Colwyn knows him as the old one with like, Whoa, surprise. 00:25:04.709 --> 00:25:14.584 I feel like if in Ynyr's, only a hundred than like his dad would have known Ynyr as kind of just an old guy not like the old one just an older dude, right? 00:25:14.604 --> 00:25:18.463 And then Colwyn's grandfather would be like, oh, yeah, I'm the same age as Ynyr. 00:25:18.854 --> 00:25:21.834 So it's got to be somebody who's older than a couple hundred. 00:25:21.834 --> 00:25:22.703 I would say I would 00:25:23.064 --> 00:25:23.953 that's probably so. 00:25:24.173 --> 00:25:30.614 And I think there's also something to be said for, um, you know, you look at Ynyr and you look at the Emerald Seer. 00:25:31.028 --> 00:25:44.268 He refers to Ynyr as his old friend, not his old pupil, not, not so, you know, but Ynyr is at least visually speaking, he appears much younger than the Seer, but he's got to be at least as old 00:25:44.452 --> 00:25:46.458 I would say as yeah, at least as old 00:25:46.758 --> 00:25:48.387 at least as old as the Seer. 00:25:48.807 --> 00:25:53.877 And so I think, there's some exploration around, okay, how old is the Emerald Seer? 00:25:53.877 --> 00:25:54.998 How do they know each other? 00:25:55.208 --> 00:26:02.377 My brother, sister, and I theorize maybe they were in a school together, very Hogwarts-ish, and that's how they know each other. 00:26:02.377 --> 00:26:04.928 You know, what, what if they learned about their abilities together kind 00:26:04.932 --> 00:26:06.357 Yeah, trained together, yeah. 00:26:06.657 --> 00:26:07.117 Yeah. 00:26:07.157 --> 00:26:21.468 Um, but, but anyway, you slice it, Ynyr is old enough that he has, an almost universal moniker because the, the Cyclops uses it, you know, uh, 00:26:21.482 --> 00:26:27.272 the Cyclops who came from a different planet to come here to die knows about the old one on Krull. 00:26:27.292 --> 00:26:29.813 Like he's, he's, he's been there for a while. 00:26:29.817 --> 00:26:32.278 and, and he's picked up the accent really well 00:26:32.373 --> 00:26:33.452 Yes, very 00:26:33.518 --> 00:26:34.627 a beautiful British accent. 00:26:37.577 --> 00:26:37.917 All right. 00:26:37.917 --> 00:26:44.567 So I want to go back to Rell because Rell, Rell is, is shockingly like the most story rich character in this, 00:26:44.637 --> 00:26:46.038 Is, is Rell your favorite? 00:26:46.607 --> 00:26:47.667 Who's your favorite character? 00:26:48.397 --> 00:26:50.438 I'm gonna turn this around a little bit on you too while we're doing this. 00:26:50.448 --> 00:26:52.298 Who's your favorite character in this whole film? 00:26:52.678 --> 00:26:54.597 And you can't say Titch just because you know Graham. 00:26:55.377 --> 00:27:04.093 Not just because, And you know, I, I've wrestled with this a lot, because I am torn somewhere between Rell and Torquil. 00:27:05.573 --> 00:27:13.393 I think that Rell has the grandest established opportunity for storytelling. 00:27:14.413 --> 00:27:35.512 I think Torquil is a fascinatingly unexplored character because there are certain hints and certain clues as to what his background might be that when you start exploring those, all of a sudden it just blows the doors open on what we could know about Torquil, where maybe he did come from and why he's the way that he is and all that, right? 00:27:35.762 --> 00:27:38.653 And plus just his attitude is my spirit animal, you know? 00:27:38.742 --> 00:27:43.242 And you have to be a special person to be best friends with Liam Neeson's Keegan, 00:27:43.353 --> 00:27:43.972 Hello. 00:27:45.222 --> 00:27:45.442 Hello. 00:27:45.673 --> 00:27:47.542 It's my, that's my favorite line in the whole 00:27:47.748 --> 00:27:48.028 Yeah. 00:27:48.518 --> 00:27:48.647 Yeah. 00:27:48.998 --> 00:27:50.028 Mine too, I think. 00:27:51.643 --> 00:27:58.553 So, yeah, so I, I think in terms of story opportunity, I think Rell edges out Torquil. 00:27:59.032 --> 00:28:05.932 In terms of, you know, who would I want to be in the story, if not Colwyn. 00:28:06.518 --> 00:28:07.667 Because I don't think that's a good fit for me. 00:28:07.667 --> 00:28:08.647 I think it would be Torquil. 00:28:09.758 --> 00:28:10.667 And so what about you? 00:28:10.667 --> 00:28:12.587 What, who's your favorite character in the film? 00:28:13.218 --> 00:28:17.637 And, you know, I want to say excluding some obvious answer, but I don't know. 00:28:17.637 --> 00:28:18.788 Who's your favorite character in the film? 00:28:18.847 --> 00:28:20.597 I, I would have to do two answers, right? 00:28:20.708 --> 00:28:27.268 Because as a, as a storyteller and like a guy who likes acting and stuff, I've got, this is my favorite to watch. 00:28:27.347 --> 00:28:29.718 And if I could be in this, I'd love to be this guy. 00:28:30.248 --> 00:28:34.268 Uh, I think favorite, I mean, Torquil is really high up there. 00:28:34.307 --> 00:28:36.248 I have to agree with you on both counts. 00:28:36.248 --> 00:28:44.617 I think Torquil and Rell are phenomenal because of their kind of, I mean, I don't have to explain why Rell is awesome or Torquil. 00:28:45.938 --> 00:28:47.637 I like them both a lot. 00:28:48.008 --> 00:28:55.887 I think if I were to, like, if someone was like, hey, come be in the new Krull movie, I'd say, all right, I'd like to be Keegan, please. 00:28:55.907 --> 00:28:58.817 Give me four lines of dialogue and a good death scene and I'll go home. 00:28:59.278 --> 00:29:00.194 I just want to be here. 00:29:00.877 --> 00:29:25.442 You know, uh, if I had to pick between Rell and Torquil, I think the, just the, the general lore of the Cyclops of how they were fooled by the Beast into giving up an eye to see the future only to see their own death is such That is such a cool That's better storytelling than like half of modern movies. 00:29:25.673 --> 00:29:27.962 Just that one little bit of history. 00:29:29.103 --> 00:29:30.803 I, I, Rell is super cool. 00:29:30.952 --> 00:29:35.792 Uh, man, I'm going to say Torquil. 00:29:35.853 --> 00:29:37.732 I think Torquil is also my favorite character. 00:29:38.603 --> 00:29:38.853 Wow. 00:29:38.853 --> 00:29:39.673 It's like you and I are the same 00:29:39.853 --> 00:29:40.333 Yeah. 00:29:40.442 --> 00:29:42.173 We have a lot of things in common. 00:29:42.932 --> 00:29:44.022 It's why we're friends. 00:29:45.282 --> 00:29:46.032 Absolutely. 00:29:46.083 --> 00:29:46.673 Absolutely. 00:29:47.093 --> 00:29:50.673 Everything about the Cyclops intrigues me in this particular mythos. 00:29:50.913 --> 00:29:57.803 If I look at the Cyclops as it's represented in Greek mythology, it's neat, but I don't think I don't find it compelling. 00:29:58.143 --> 00:30:08.298 It's it's not something that where I find out that like, The Cyclops in Greek mythology is done in such a way as to be an antagonist or a monster or an opposition. 00:30:08.587 --> 00:30:10.438 He is an obstacle to be overcome. 00:30:11.718 --> 00:30:16.788 But in Krull, the Cyclops is an object lesson. 00:30:16.788 --> 00:30:20.157 The Cyclops is one of the two great tragedies of Krull. 00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:28.029 Thank you so very much for listening to this episode of the Krulltimate Podcast. 00:30:28.509 --> 00:30:31.180 Now, I would like to hear from you. 00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:42.119 If you have any questions, curiosities, or comments that you would like to make about this or other episodes, you can send them to thekrulltimatefandom@gmail.com. 00:30:42.789 --> 00:30:49.779 Until next time I have been your host professor Krebs, and this is the Krulltimate Podcast.