บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Adrian Kochsiek: The Future of Health — From Diagnosis to Purpose

weeks before my birth, but uh my stepfather is my father to me. 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.480 So he's just like yeah, yeah. 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:06.879 So through this period of time, what were you feeling, you know, when you when you're diagnosed with something like that? 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:08.720 That's a great question. 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:17.040 Um I think for me, if I if I look back after the diagnosis, the first two weeks were the hardest. 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:26.879 Because it's like normally, you know, if you imagine now in your life you wake up and you're like, okay, let's attack the day, let's get some sun out there, or whatever it is, or let's get to work. 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:35.279 But in the first two weeks after a diagnosis, like that, it's like you're coming from a different universe, you're coming from sleep, you wake up and you get the diagnosis again. 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:39.439 You wake up and your first the first thing that comes to your mind is like shit, I got cancer. 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:49.839 And that's crazy because then this kind of like really brings you into dark places because then you you start to think about these things like what if, what if, right? 00:05:49.920 --> 00:06:03.120 You think about yeah, uh, and that's that was the only time I thought about that ever is like when I imagined that my mother would have to stand on my graveyard, and I said, I I can't do that to that woman, she won't survive. 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:12.959 Yeah, so I made a decision that day and said, No matter what kind of survival odds, no matter what any doctor is uh telling, like I'm going to make it no matter what. 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:14.720 And that was my mindset. 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.399 The other thing didn't even play a role in my universe anymore. 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:29.199 For me, that was like, okay, this takes this amount of time, and I'm coming back stronger than ever because there's a job that needs to be done, and there is a lot, a lot of things that I want to give this world. 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.519 So I took a decision to survive. 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.560 So it's a decision, it was a decision, it's a mental game. 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:45.439 I think when you're in the hospital with something like that, it's it's a mental game, and afterwards it becomes more like you know, all this physical uh nutrition, longevity side of things. 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:49.120 But in that moment, I I see it clearly in front of my eyes. 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:56.879 There were several moments where I felt and I knew this is mind over matter, this is a mental game right now. 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:04.319 Well, I guess if you your physical body is failing in that time, the only thing you really have left is the mind. 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:09.920 And if you can be in charge of that, then you have a chance, right? 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:14.240 And some people don't have a chance because maybe they don't

have that mental toughness. 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:15.519 So I've got a question for you. 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:17.839 Where do you think that toughness came from? 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:22.720 Was that inside of you already, or is it something you had to reach down and grab inside of you? 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:51.519 Me personally, I think um that it's almost a philosophical question, but me personally, I think that one thing is this very lifetime is like the experiences you go through, uh your environment, the challenges you face that uh that shape or strengthen you and that shape your character if you take ownership and if you um see every obstacle as an opportunity to grow. 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:55.439 And on the other side, me personally, I believe like that's my personal belief. 00:07:55.600 --> 00:08:00.079 I don't think in one life and after that uh you go to heaven or hell. 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:10.560 I think my soul is I'm an immortal being, and this is just the avatar I'm walking through through this life, and I think that a certain package already comes with the soul to this planet. 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:12.879 Okay, so we're going even deeper straight away. 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:13.600 I like it. 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:25.199 So you're basically saying this is a costume, this physical form, and the soul comes knowing what it's gonna have to experience, and you're either gonna say yes to it or you're not gonna say yes to it. 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:26.560 Essentially, yes, yep. 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.720 Okay, and you know, we're all given different sets of challenges. 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:41.039 You know, in my case, it was a near-fatal car crash, then a drinking problem, and then I somehow managed to dive deep within myself to go, this is not who I choose. 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:42.720 How did you overcome it? 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:45.759 Uh well, how did I overcome what? 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:46.720 The car crash? 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:47.840 The the drinking problem. 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.840 I was the drinking problem. 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.159 Well, you know, number one, I prayed. 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:54.960 Because I was like, where else do I go? 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:56.720 I don't know where else to go. 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:14.240 And because the drinking happened after the car crash, I I had already felt like that that was already a miracle because my logical mind, which was very skeptical about everything, just looked at it and just go, There's absolutely no way that you'd get out of this. 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:16.879 And yeah, I did, and so did my friend. 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:24.480 So it just made me think, wow, okay, there is only one way, and that's up or within, you know, whichever way you want to describe it. 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:29.039 And, you know, I just really thought I'd pray and I said, Listen, I need help, I don't know where to go. 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:36.000 And I wasn't necessarily gonna ask anybody where to go, because maybe there was a part of me that was too proud to go, where do I go? 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:37.919 So I just thought, I'm gonna go within. 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:43.600 And actually, for the first time ever, I received three signs that I actually noticed. 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.600 I mean, I'm sure life and I believe that life is always talking to you. 00:09:47.759 --> 00:10:10.879 You know, there is a uh the essence of life is always talking to you, whether you're aware of it or not, you just have to be aware, and I guess that this has been a massive journey of awareness, which is why I love doing this show and having amazing guests such as yourself on here, is because as you grow in awareness, you might see something, and and it might be just the message you needed. 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:15.279 And for me, it was three signs of learning how to meditate in one week, in one week. 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:19.120 I mean, I'd never really known what a meditation was, I didn't know what it was. 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:25.120 And it wasn't some sitting in a cave, I was like, uh that's not for me. 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:31.120 But when I got these three signs, one which was a TV show and what it did to the brain, I was like, that's interesting. 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:32.000 Interesting. 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:36.399 Then, and then because my mind's like, well, that could open areas of your brain. 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:52.480 I was interested, and then it was going to get a C D uh of brainwave to slow the brain wave down because I recognized that beta brain waves are the ones that are most active, but if you could get yourself down into an alpha theta wave pattern, the body begins to heal. 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:54.720 I was like, oh, that could be interesting. 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.840 Um, and then I saw a sign like for a post, learn how to meditate. 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:01.759 But it was the CD. 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:06.240 When I went to go and buy it, the guy said, No, don't buy the C D, go and learn the real thing. 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.200 Okay, so so I was like, Why not? 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:10.559 I'll I'll I'll try it out. 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:30.720 Amazing, and then having tried it out, that's within within a weekend I knew what to do, which was I was given a mantra, just say it quietly, do it two times a day, and then within four months, I'd change my diet, within four months I'd stopped drinking, and within four months I had the most insane amount of energy. 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.320 And topping that, I'll run the London Marathon. 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:38.559 Wow, uh, pretty much just like flat, amazing. 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:43.919 And then I started to have some very unusual spiritual experiences that happen as a result. 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:49.840 It's just like everything that I was thinking about was just popping up, like instant manifestation, one after the

other after the other. 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:51.679 Sounds like a lot of alignment. 00:11:51.840 --> 00:12:02.720 So it was like a lot of alignment, but maybe that happens because there's a lot of resistance before it's like the band gets so far pulled back, and then as soon as you let go and there's no resistance anymore, bang, you just fly. 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:03.519 Yeah. 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:06.240 So that's my story. 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:17.440 But what I really appreciate and love about your story is you know what you did with what happened, you know, after having the chemo, what happened, what you did with your life as a result of coming back. 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:22.080 Because most young guys find it really challenging in this world as it is. 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:37.919 And I think what the world needs more than anything is great role models of people who've been through hell and still come back and kept their heart open, be a decent person, uh, not always perfect, but decent, you know, and I think you represent that. 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:58.879 That's what this whole podcast is about bringing people together who are demonstrating qualities of you know, healthy masculinity, of great success, but also with that inner consciousness awareness, which is when I first met you, I said, you know, one of the most important things was a sense of integrity, and you demonstrated that, and I was I was really taken aback by that. 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:01.600 And what I love about your story is what you did next. 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:09.759 So, what happened, you know, with regards to building companies from that comeback after you know surviving that cancer? 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.440 First of all, I really appreciate uh everything you just said. 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:15.759 I don't take it for granted, so I really appreciate it. 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:16.720 Want to say that. 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:28.480 Um, to your question, I had that moment that all the things that happened so early in my life, which weirdly was the biggest stroke of luck. 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:37.679 If you if if such things happen so early, you take the right learning out of it, you have a long life that you could live very conscious and very aware. 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.360 And I was getting these hard knocks very early in life. 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:44.879 Uh, that was just one story, but obviously uh a big one. 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:51.600 And I had these moments then obviously that I understood I'm getting prepared for something. 00:13:52.240 --> 00:14:03.600 Right now, I'm on I'm in the training season and I'm getting these hard knocks to get prepared to take certain things to a place where other people might could never take it to. 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.240 And I I always seek to understand. 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:17.840 So I was very young when I was diving super deep into different topics in on this planet, whether it's financial, whether

it's healthcare, whether it's you know, education, food, etc. 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:18.320 etc. 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:21.039 And after a while you can connect the dots differently. 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:33.919 And then I saw uh or I looked at the biggest problems we're facing on planet Earth right now, and I I saw that I I felt that I was getting prepared to create a massive impact. 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.720 Um, and that's how my entrepreneurial journey started. 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:42.720 And I told you I'm not coming from an entrepreneurial legacy or entrepreneurial family or something that was handed over to me. 00:14:42.799 --> 00:15:07.279 So I I started all of that um from scratch uh actually, but because of my history, obviously it was very close or near to create that impact in healthcare because we're living in still in a time where we're so progressive with all our technologies, but and we're still living in a reactive sick care system where all chronic conditions go through the roof, and we're not really doing something for personalized prevention. 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.519 Um now we have all these longevity hypes. 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:24.320 But if you look at the stats, you see, and you you can go through every chronic uh disease condition, whether it's metabolic health, mental health, cancer, you name it, respiratory disease, all of them go skyrocket, all of them go through the roof, even though we're so progressive as mankind. 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:35.679 So um there's a big job that needs to uh get done to help people to become healthy, and a healthy body allows for a healthy mind, and we need uh a worry, conscious people. 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:36.639 Well, very true. 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.200 I mean, um my journey is definitely one of that. 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:53.120 I mean, you can in modeling, which is what I was doing before I started, this was you could make the body look good, yeah, but that doesn't mean the mind feels good, exactly, and you know, it's an illusion. 00:15:53.600 --> 00:16:05.840 So to have a healthy body and a healthy mind is a wonderful balance to have, and then I think you get to experience, which is the soul, you know, a lot a lot more quality living. 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:18.879 And you know, for me, the meditation was an opportunity for me, in my experience, to be able to prevent more resistance that I'd created for so many years in my life. 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:24.960 But what you're doing is you're helping people with AI and data and an iOS system. 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:27.360 Tell us about that. 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:33.600 Yeah, um the current uh company uh it's called Onvi uh O N V Y. 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:35.200 What does that mean? 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:42.960 Uh that's something that we said, it's a secret that we will uh we will make it public once we go APO. 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:43.679 So okay. 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:46.799 So when the IPO comes out, you'll tell

us what it is, right? 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:47.440 Exactly. 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:48.000 Okay. 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:50.720 And um I better get shares before. 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:57.600 Um yeah, we're essentially we're building a personal health OS. 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.799 OS stands for operating system uh infrastructure. 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:11.920 That means we we are able to fuse and merge multiple health and wellness data uh streams like uh all data coming from a wearable technology like the Smart Ring or an Apple Watch, etc. 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:17.039 There are a lot of brands out there like Apple, Google, Samsung, Ura, Whoop, you name it. 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:17.279 Yeah. 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.920 Um and with this we can collect all the data around. 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:21.599 So all you're doing is wearing a ring. 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:23.519 Is that all all I'm me personally? 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:24.799 I'm just wearing the ring, yeah. 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:31.279 But you can just wear this uh this ring, um, and in the same platform or the same solution, you can upload your latest lab data. 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:35.359 You can um uh feed it with your nutritional values, with your genetic values. 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:44.799 And now you have something like a personal health intelligence that is enriched with all that context and is getting smarter on a day-to-day basis. 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:56.880 And now we're going towards prevention, predictive uh health technologies that uh empower you to uh essentially reach and maintain an ideal uh state of health and vitality. 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:06.720 But we do that in the B2B context, so we empower brands, retailers, bigger companies in health, wellness, longevity to plug in that core technology uh for better services. 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:21.119 I was reading some stats uh before coming on today, and one of the things that I came across was which I was actually quite shocked by, was that in the States, 47% of people have like smartwatches. 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:22.079 Is that true? 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:23.519 I think it's 46. 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:37.920 46% uh in the US do have a wearable um eight, I think even 18 or 70 per 17 percent have two at the same time, so it's no longer a niche topic. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.960 It really reached mass adoption, especially in the US. 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:54.400 Uh the biggest consumer wellness market that at the same time has the biggest issues with chronic uh condition and sick care spending, plus a different kind of like insurance system that's uh you know doesn't cover everything. 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:58.400 So, how how how's life changing? 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:13.680 Because what I've noticed is people are living longer because we have more access to greater wellness, but yet there's also a little challenge where there's also younger people dying earlier through mental challenges. 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:22.240 You know, I've come to see a lot more people having more mental health issues, but there's always been mental health issues, but it seems to have like escalated but since COVID. 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:23.920 Why is that? 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:32.400 Well, first to your first part, um living longer, that's the debate of lifespan versus health span. 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:37.440 Right now, you can extend lifespan, but with what kind of quality of life, right? 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:43.680 So if you're living with a chronic condition 20 years longer, is that really helpful for you? 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:44.240 Right? 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:58.480 So I really focus on switching this whole longevity discussion from extending lifespan towards optimizing your health span, which is a big one, uh, in my opinion, especially looking at all these chronic conditions, uh, etc. 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:05.920 Um, now to the second part, yeah, it's it's absolutely uh uh yeah, it's shocking, it's frightening. 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:12.240 But if you look at all these mental health stats, it's absolutely crazy, and you can attack it from any possible angle. 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:14.160 We have a loneliness epidemic at the moment. 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:14.799 A what? 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:16.079 A loneliness epidemic. 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:24.880 So people feel we're actually with uh with the internet and the technology, we're more connected than ever, but we feel lonelier than ever. 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:26.079 Why is that? 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:34.880 Well, me personally, I think a lot of health questions could get answered from an evolutionary uh viewpoint. 00:20:35.200 --> 00:21:01.920 So the way how it used to be is like we were living in tribes, we had deep, meaningful social relationships that was bonding, and and in these days there is uh a lot of loneliness, especially in the big cities, which is interesting because you have so many people, one place, but people like in most cases don't even know what their neighbor is doing for work, or yeah, there's not more than a simple hello, you know. 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:08.000 You know, that's really interesting because when I moved here, one of the things that I really wanted was good neighbors, right? 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.759 Because it just sort of adds a little bit of extra connection. 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:12.160 Yeah. 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:20.079 And you know, where I grew up, one of the things I noticed is that you'd always try and help each other out in some capacity, however small. 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:22.319 And that's actually really meaningful. 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:23.279 Exactly. 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:32.640 Um but when there's loneliness, is that because we've forgotten or younger generation have forgotten how to connect or don't know how to connect? 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:57.440 Don't underestimate technology, all the good and all the bad sides of it, because these

algorithms get very, very good in uh messing up your neurotransmitters, the dopamine, uh, and uh and you know, if you if you now spend so much time inside artificial light in front of these machines, not outside with the people, with the crowd, that does something. 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.680 And we could take so many avenues now that. 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:02.160 Let's speak about porn, for example. 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:12.880 You know, men and if you wat recently I saw uh a stat uh of uh how many daily visits of all porn sites combined that was insane. 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:19.680 It's like literally I don't get the number, but it it's like literally an eighth of the world is consuming porn on a day-to-day basis, it's insane. 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:21.519 And that also does something with your system. 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.079 There's so many avenues you you could uh go now. 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:35.759 Also, that this I think that this uh generation is becoming a little soft uh in these days, and uh there's a a shortcoming or lack of purpose and mission. 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:44.400 Yeah, so but I think mission really comes from having your own life be challenged. 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:50.720 And I want to sorry to interrupt you because this is something that actually matches perfectly because of the neighbor example. 00:22:50.880 --> 00:23:02.480 Yeah, you see a greater um a greater mindset or a greater tone of belonging in a society or a country where people need each other, right? 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:08.079 Like I need my neighbor because maybe on one day I need the salt or I need some meat or whatever. 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:17.119 And now maybe it was just too good for too long that people are staying, you know, the curtain in their own little bubble and not speak with each other anymore. 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:24.880 Yeah, which uh I think I think that sometimes you need to have the opposite to recognize how important it really is. 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:25.440 Yep. 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:34.319 And like yesterday, I I had loads of stuff that I had my family come and visit, and I had stuff that they gave to me, and I was like, I don't need this stuff. 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:38.319 So I knocked on my neighbour's door and I said, Would you like this? 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.160 And she said, Yeah, that would be great. 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:41.200 It would be great for the kids. 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:42.160 I was like, fantastic. 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:45.279 So I just gave her all this sort of food that I wouldn't consume. 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.799 And she was really grateful, and then she said, I've got something for you. 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:54.799 And you know, it was just this lovely share and this just little moment, and I was just thought, wow, this is this is beautiful. 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:59.920 It's so it's like five minutes, but it makes you feel like it makes you feel good. 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:00.720 100%. 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:06.240 There's something that I just wanted to share because you said that there's a loneliness epidemic. 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.880 One thing I was reading recently, and I really liked it. 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:12.559 There's a difference between solitude and loneliness. 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:22.160 And solitude is the gift and beauty of actually being alone and being silent, which is actually considered positive, right? 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:23.440 I think there are different types. 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:27.039 Like some people they get energy of going into the crowd, right? 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:28.960 And getting surrounded by people. 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.319 For me, it's actually the opposite. 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:35.920 When I want to recharge, yeah, I you know, I remove myself from crowd of the world. 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:43.359 I go into the I go somewhere in the nature, whether it's the forest or close to the ocean, and then I can recharge. 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:53.759 And that's something a little bit paranoid, but I'm like, I'm I'm working on my mission, work, work, work, and then I do my sports, and then always like after a month or so, I'm like, man, we're social beings. 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:55.119 Somehow I need to socialize. 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:59.839 Yeah, and then I would socialize, and after five minutes, like, no, no, no, let me get back. 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:00.480 Yeah, yeah. 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.720 It's a it's you know, it's a it's like the ocean, in and out, exactly, in and out. 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:05.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:09.599 But going back to that thing, the loneliness is also considered the negative, right? 00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:13.039 Of solitude being the positive side of the coin. 00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:16.880 And that's only because you're out of alignment. 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:23.519 So loneliness only happens when you feel out of alignment, and solitude comes when you're in alignment. 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:28.559 Because you know, there's some days when you think, Oh, I can't wait to just you know do my own thing this evening, you know. 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:38.079 Maybe you have like a drink, or you're watching, you know, the sunset, you're gonna do some writing, or you're gonna be creative, or you're just like, I just want this night to myself because I've been so busy. 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:39.759 That's beautiful, yeah. 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:48.480 But when you're like, Oh, I am in desperate need for connection, that's because at some level we're not connecting. 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:59.920 So I really feel for the people who feel like that, which is the same thing for when choosing a partner and you feel like I'm not whole, I need to be completed. 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.559 Yeah, you're asking for a void to be filled. 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:06.400 So if one feels lonely, I'm gonna go to a party, so I get

stimulated. 00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:06.960 Exactly. 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:12.480 And if I get stimulated with drugs or alcohol or whatever, then I feel better. 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:16.319 You will for a moment, but then that feeling will remain, even stronger. 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:26.000 But if I can recharge my battery, like what you were saying with like exercise or going to the beach or walking in the forest, that resets you and comes back. 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:32.000 So, how does the data on your OS, how does that sort of work? 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:43.680 Because I'm just wondering if it can measure these types of feelings and the feedback that it gives people, because this then gives people a real thing, thinking, Do you know what this is this can this can help me? 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.480 Yeah, and you've been on an absolute mission for that. 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.400 Essentially, that's exactly what we do. 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:54.880 We make all these things really measurable, and it's uh we quantify it. 00:26:55.039 --> 00:27:04.400 So you would even see the impact of certain environmental factors on your health and well-being when you spend time in the forest, when you spend time at the ocean, you would see what happens to your stress. 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:06.640 Can it do it when you go to a nightclub? 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:17.440 Of course, because you would continue to measure all these different parameters like uh your stress levels, your recovery rates, how did you sleep on that day, um, etc. 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:18.079 etc. 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:36.000 But there is an interesting aspect because some people get so crazy and obsessed about this data, and I'm always, even though I'm running a company that uh is in the health OS space, I'm always telling the people this is an instrument, this is technology that should help you, that shouldn't dictate how you live your life. 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.960 You are a conscious being and you are in charge here. 00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:49.119 So, you know, if you have a bad night's sleep, but therefore had the best time of your life with loved ones and you know, great memories, what's good up till 4 a.m. 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:49.920 or whatever. 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:51.839 If that happens, then that happens. 00:27:51.920 --> 00:28:04.319 I'm not saying, you know, uh forget about your sleep, but I think you get my point that there's a balance in in the things, and if you make yourself crazy about the data and the numbers, then it also has an impact on your health and well-being. 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.200 So why is it that we go crazy on numbers? 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:13.440 As in, what you know, what what makes us drive to feel like oh, I need to have, I need to check these numbers all the time. 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.200 I think it's a sense of control. 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:24.319 Yeah, you can't manage what you don't measure, so we like to quantify things, and then it gives us a sense of I'm in charge, I'm in control, I can steer that ship. 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:29.680 Yeah, there's a healthy level of a control, but then sometimes underneath that control, there's like fear. 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:31.279 That's where the balance comes in. 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:37.519 And I'm like uh I'm really saying So, how does your company sort of fit in that nice slot? 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.279 I think that's something that really happens on a on a personal level. 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:51.759 The way how we attack that or how we solve that is that the way how we translate this complex multi-source health and wellness data, there is a tone of voice, right? 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:56.000 You could say, Oh my god, your your sleep was all over the place, you might die. 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:57.279 I'm exaggerating now. 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:05.759 But you can also say, Hey, don't worry, this day, uh, take it a bit slow, uh, and let's prepare you for a good sleep, but you're good, right? 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:12.480 So you can set the tone uh if you are fear-mongering or if you still give the person a good stuff. 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.599 Yeah, yeah, you've got to find that beautiful balance. 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:25.119 Do you think uh in your experience, because you know, you've taken care of yourself, you look after your body, you've taken care of your mind. 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:30.160 Where does that natural aspect versus the OS, how do they sit side by side? 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.759 That's a great question. 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.480 And I don't think there's a general answer for that. 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:48.559 I think you make uh strong, aware, conscious people even stronger because they know how to use these instruments, and I think you have a a second bucket that uh look looks at this data and it's like it's too much for me, you know. 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:50.799 Um so there's no general answer. 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.000 It's like who's the pilot? 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.039 Who's looking at that? 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:53.599 I love that. 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:54.240 Who's the pilot? 00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:54.799 Who's the driver? 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:56.079 The mind is the driver, right? 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.720 This is I've always said that mind's the driver, the body's the vehicle. 00:29:58.880 --> 00:29:59.519 Exactly. 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:08.079 Um, you know, for someone like me using an OS system, I can see the benefits of it, but I've listened to my body for like 25 years. 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:09.359 I know what it needs. 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:14.640 I feel like all my, you know, this is crazy, but like even more recently, I've been buying beetroot. 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:28.319 I've been buying beetroot, and I mean I'm not really a beetroot fan, I'm gonna be honest, but I know what it can do for the body, I know what it can do for the blood, I

know the nitric oxide that it produces and gives me to fuel my fitness and fuel my energy and stamina. 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:29.680 I mean, it's insane. 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:36.000 And I use it and make a you know, a smoothie in the morning, and like my body's like, thank you, thank you for listening. 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:43.599 Yep, and you know, like I've tried and I played five-aside football and I played tennis or pattern, I've done it, and it's um it's incredible the results I have. 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.720 I'm just not tired. 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:54.000 But like I'm listening to something that my body needs, which it wouldn't like, it's like you know, I hadn't had it for months, and then suddenly it's like, yeah, get that in. 00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.000 But that but that's the whole thing, right? 00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:01.920 So the way how I look at it is like, how can we solve modern problems with modern solutions? 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:08.480 If everybody would be like James and knows how to listen to your own system and feels like, oh, now I need this, now I need this. 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:14.160 I think this is an absolute stepping stone, it's a it's a master, mastery, and a stepping stone to being able to listen. 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:14.559 Yeah. 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:16.480 Because we have such a busy world as well. 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:17.039 Exactly. 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:21.839 You have cognitive overstimulation, you have digital overload, you have all these distractions. 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:30.720 Just what we're recording, probably we will compete with uh Netflix and YouTube and Instagram and TikTok, Pornhub for some men and whatnot, right? 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:38.240 So there is such a huge battle of uh attention, and that applies for each and every person. 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:46.079 So, how could you be so grounded that you always listen to your own voice and know what you need at the moment when you get pulled into so many directions? 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.000 It needs strength, inner strength at the end of the day. 00:31:48.240 --> 00:32:00.319 Yeah, so would you say your drive came from your life being absolutely put to a full stop almost at the age of 18? 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.960 Where would you say that drive came from to be able to create these companies? 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:06.480 To be able to create only? 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.000 I would say 90%, yes. 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:25.599 Uh 90% uh pretty likely is just my very individual life path, everything that that happened, and if I'm telling my whole story, and most often you're only able to connect the dots backwards. 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:36.720 Um it's just like it's all it's crazy because it's almost it's like in mosaic where the things needed to happen in that exact way. 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.240 So now if people are asking me, well, how was it in that time when you went through hell? 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.039 I was like, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:45.200 Isn't that interesting? 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.279 That sometimes the people that have the hardest experiences think, you know what? 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:50.559 I'm really grateful I had that. 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:51.039 Absolutely. 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.519 I mean, I would say that exactly the same in my own experience. 00:32:53.599 --> 00:33:01.680 I wouldn't change anything because that was the the contrast that was the fertilizer for this version of me now that I'm proud of. 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:03.440 The obstacle is the way. 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:04.960 The obstacle is the way. 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:06.720 I'm not at that, but I like that. 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:07.920 Yeah, but it's true. 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:17.119 It's just like uh through adversity, we we learn so much, and there are certain moments in life when all you have is your inner strength, and and it's you versus you. 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.440 There is nobody who can take this battle for you. 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:25.519 And then these moments you really learn how strong you really are, and after that, it's like you know, other challenges come. 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.079 Okay, how long do we need to to solve the problem? 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.319 A day, a week, a month, so what? 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:30.960 Let's do it. 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:44.480 I survived other things in life, and I know uh again certain things in life uh need to be done, and uh, and and I really feel a lot of responsibility and a lot of um where does that come from? 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.319 Where does that responsibility come from? 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:47.680 That's a great question. 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:54.000 Um, I think this is something now coming back to where we started again. 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:56.160 I believe that I'm an immortal being. 00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:01.519 I think my soul has seen a lot of stuff uh on the whole time track. 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:13.679 Now I'm this Avatar, this Adrian 6.3 blonde guy walking through this life, and I think that I have seen certain things before and I will experience certain things after. 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:33.920 But when I connect all the dots and I'm seeing where we are right now in this lifetime for humanity, where I grew up with little Tamagotchis, and now, these 35 years later, we have radiation-emitting satellites around the orbit and super AI and robotics and quantum computing. 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:56.480 This is a very deciding chapter for mankind, and we need to make sure that we get it right now, otherwise we will have uh unfortunately, I think we we otherwise have a dark future, so we have uh to make sure that the right people sit on the right tables when we decide how we're gonna use this powerful technology for or uh against mankind, and that's where my drive comes from. 00:34:57.599 -->

00:35:04.719 It's a responsibility to go, I want to make sure that the future and the next generations are better off because of the choices we made today. 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:05.519 Exactly. 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.719 Yeah, I think that's beautiful, and I think it's important. 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:20.079 I mean, I remember one of the things I always wanted to look up to when I was younger was men who were like, you know, they've got it all together. 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:24.480 And sometimes when I remember looking up thinking, well, they haven't got it together. 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:29.280 And then I remember being a young man thinking, Well, I've not got it together. 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:37.280 And I remember having a conversation with God, with my inner being, saying, Listen, I want you to do this podcast. 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.440 I was like, No, I don't want to do this podcast. 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:41.360 I said, No, no, I want you to do the podcast. 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.119 I was like, No, I don't want to do the podcast. 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.599 And I waited for nine years or something like that to start and it came back again. 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:52.159 So and then I banged my head right in the middle of the forehead and said, Look, are you gonna start now? 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:56.719 Well, and that was like six years ago, almost a bit more. 00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:00.800 Um, and so yeah, I began, so I really had to listen, right? 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:15.119 And I think it's because when you're flawed, when you recognize you're a human being, which means you're perfect and imperfect, you have imperfections and you've made mistakes and you own them, this makes you far more relatable. 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:30.079 And I I really have such a uh credit and respect for people who are who can come back from adversity, making mistakes, owning them, and trying to course correct. 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.320 Because that makes people think, do you know what? 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:32.880 We're human. 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:34.559 We can come back. 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:36.639 I love that you say that, yeah, 100%. 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:48.880 It's really that uh what what I love in in human beings as well is when I when I see a certain level of ownership when people own their stuff, they say, okay, here I got wrong. 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:54.719 This is what I'm gonna fix, and I'm trying to use it for the good and try to maybe help others with this experience. 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:56.639 You don't know how many people you can help. 00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.760 You could help just one person, but was it worth it? 00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:00.159 Yeah. 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.840 That's the same thing with your podcast. 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:18.400 That's why it's so beautiful that you do that, because you could never measure the impact of the podcast you do, because you don't know how many people might get inspired in the right moment by listening to a short snippet of the words that come out of your mouth that potentially prevents them from killing themselves or whatever is going on. 00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:20.480 You could never measure that impact. 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.719 That's why it's really beautiful that you do what you do. 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:23.440 Thanks, man. 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.119 And I uh I really appreciate that. 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:26.159 And and that is the reason. 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:37.599 The reason is being is if this is gonna put some, if this is gonna put some good vibes back into the world, if this is gonna uplift someone or be there for them when they need it, as you said, then that's the job well done. 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.559 Everything is energy, everything is energy. 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:51.440 Um just what just like in closing, like if there's one thing you'd like to leave the audience with today, what what one sentiment would you really like to leave? 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.400 That's uh that's a great question. 00:37:54.480 --> 00:38:18.239 And I like to simplify things, so I don't want to speak too long when it comes to a short uh short snippet, but at the end of the day, it's really that uh you would wonder what uh what's possible when you when you put your mind to some uh to something and you have a a strong goal and a vision for life, you have a strong purpose in life, there's literally no limit. 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:25.519 You can achieve anything, um but take take every obstacle as an opportunity to grow and you're good to go. 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:27.679 Beautiful. 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.840 Well, Adrian, my friend, it's been a real pleasure speaking with you. 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.360 Um and I really love what you're doing. 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:44.239 I love the person and appreciate the person you are in the world, and you know, wanting to stand up and take responsibility, I think that's really tough. 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.679 And I really like it, and I think that's what the world needs a little bit more of. 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:48.960 So, Adrian, real pleasure. 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:50.159 Thanks for coming on the show. 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:50.800 Thanks, James. 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:51.599 Appreciate it. 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:56.239 If you enjoyed today's episode, please like, subscribe, and share. 00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:01.519 Your support has continued to help us keep creating high quality conversations that make a difference. 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:04.880 Thanks for listening, and we'll see you on the next episode.