บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Inside the Dublin Fire Brigade Pipe Band: Stories & History | Tom McLoughlin

00:04:48.720 That's that's sort of like a volunteer almost, right? 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:49.360 Here is that. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.120 It's it's it's similar to the volunteer, only paid part-time. 00:04:53.199 --> 00:05:00.879 So you get you get a wage and you become an employee of Dublin Fire Brigade, Dublin City Council, or Dublin Corporation, as it was at the time. 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:02.720 So they call that retained? 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:03.439 That's what they call it. 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:04.399 Retained, yeah. 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:24.639 And primarily the country or Ireland, the country is primarily retained that you have uh firefighters hired on a part-time basis, and they carry, you get their train and they carry a paider like a bleeper, uh, and they have a certain amount of time to get from wherever they are to their to their station and respond to whatever the call may be. 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:25.920 Now it's quite difficult. 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:36.639 And I did that for nearly 15 years, and I have to say I was glad to see the back of it because it it was it it uh it took over your life, your family life, your social life. 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.360 Uh it was it was quite tough to do it, you know. 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:50.079 But but I I joined that in 1988 and uh obviously a young 23-year-old uh delighted to be involved in it and uh had an interest in it. 00:05:50.560 --> 00:06:09.040 But in I remember in nine a year later in 1989 um the double Farbigate pipe band were were uh joining the FDNY pipe band at a function in Malahy Castle, which is where I live here in Malahy. 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:18.000 And uh we were asked to bring the fire truck up and uh kind of just be there while the the pipe bands were there. 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:24.639 That was my first uh interaction really with both the Dublin Firebigay Pipe Band and the FDMY pipe band. 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:34.639 And uh I actually went back over a couple of old photographs and I found a photograph of my mother who's since deceased, with uh members of the FDMY pipe band. 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.040 It was quite pinant to look back on that, you know. 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:38.959 Um that's great. 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:40.399 Yeah, yeah. 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:57.360 So and uh it was on that not until 1992 then I decided that you know, look at I'm I'm gonna do this, and I and I ended up joining at the Dumbler Farbigate pipe band, and then kind of the rest is history we our relationship with yourself and the the FDMI since then has been huge. 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:01.839 You know, I was in Malahyde probably two years ago. 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:04.240 We played golf at uh Port Marnock. 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:05.199 Yeah, yeah. 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:06.399 Are you a golfer? 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:08.160 No, no, no, yeah. 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:08.959 I think it doesn't matter. 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:11.439 Yeah. 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:13.519 I think it ruins a good walk. 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:14.319 Yeah. 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:14.959 Yeah. 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:15.839 That's all right. 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:16.639 That's good. 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.759 Can you give us a quick background before the fire department? 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.720 Do you like you did you grow up in what was it, Malahyde? 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:23.120 You grew up. 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:24.160 Yeah, yeah. 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:30.560 So so uh my mother my mother's from Longford, County Longford, yeah, so in the middle of the country. 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:38.879 Um and my father is from uh uh County Roscommon, um, small place outside El Finn, tiny little village there. 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:48.800 And they moved they moved to to Malahyde in in the north county Dublin, kind of a seaside town, as you know, you were you have been here uh many, many moons ago. 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.040 Uh and I was born at home. 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:54.000 Yeah, I wasn't born at the hospital, born at home. 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.079 So uh uh many years ago. 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:02.560 And uh yeah, I've been I've been in Malahy, I've been living in Malahy ever since. 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:05.360 Um and it's been it's been great. 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:14.160 Went to school here, um, married, three kids, all my kids went to school here, um, all grown up now and all doing very well. 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:19.839 Yeah, and then obviously got involved with with the the fire, Dublin Fire Brigade in 1988. 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.720 I would have worked prior to that in retail. 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:40.159 I would have done a bit of uh uh security work for a large retail Queensworth, it was called at the time, um, and I would have done some security and some close protection work for for uh you might have heard of a guy called Don Tidy, who was kidnapped by the IRA uh back in 1993. 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:46.799 So I was a bit of close protection with him for a number of years uh uh before getting promoted in the retail. 00:08:46.879 --> 00:09:00.799 And then obviously, having joined the retained Dublin Fire Brigade retained service back in 88, did that for a number of years, and then I would have I wouldn't have been I would have been looking to do full-time, get a full-time role with Dublin Fire Brigade, it wasn't happening for me. 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:05.919 Uh, and ended up doing a few years working for the Irish prison service, the correction service. 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:08.799 I worked in Mount Rai Prison for a number of years. 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:21.600 Uh a couple of interesting stories about that, and then um was lucky enough to get uh a full-time post with uh Dublin Fire Brigade in 2003, and uh I'm still there. 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:34.240 Uh and look at uh the the the connection then like it's very short after I joined the retained service in 88 and I ended up joining the pipe band in 1992.

00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:46.320 There was myself and Stephen Pender, Steel, uh who went down to the OBI on a Monday night to join up with the band, and I had an interest in playing the drums, and Steel had an interest in playing the pipes. 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:53.919 So when we went in the door, Steel went off to the piping practice and I went into the drumming section uh and obviously stayed there ever since. 00:09:54.159 --> 00:10:02.000 Steel, on the other hand, did a good few years piping and then decided to come over to the to the the happy side over to the drummers. 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:05.840 As John as John Daly would say, the musician side. 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:09.679 Well, you know, the guys with a bit of personality, I would say, you know. 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:28.240 Uh as you said earlier on, I I I in numerous different roles within the executive of the band down through the years, holding the post of uh committee member, secretary, chairman for a number of years, and uh was heavily involved in in in uh the work we do here. 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.279 As you know, we're all all the pipe bands are busy all the time. 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:40.720 There's always plenty of uh functions and gigs to attend, and then obviously our trips overseas, uh obviously to the States and further afield. 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:54.480 Uh, in fact, my first my first trip with the band, myself and Steel, actually, our first trip with the band after joining in 1992 was in 1993 when we were invited over to Moscow in in Russia. 00:10:54.720 --> 00:11:05.679 Um not sure where we're going now, but we went to 1933 uh for the 75th anniversary of their fire department at the time, and we went there for a week. 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:11.759 Uh I can't remember the um it was about 26 of us, I think, that went over. 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.480 And so we played a few gigs over there. 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:19.360 Now we were treated like like royalty, uh nearly treated like diplomats when we were there. 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:25.200 Uh, and that was my first uh my first trip away, and it was I have to say, it was memorable. 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:32.480 A lot of stories there, uh, some good stories, some funny stories, some of you probably wouldn't repeat on a podcast. 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:41.519 Um uh there's there's uh there's a saying that uh well a lot of firemen say this it's it's you can remember a third of your stories. 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:46.000 You can't remember the other another third of the stories, and the other third you can't tell. 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:47.759 No, your current you can't tell. 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.240 But I will tell you one small little little story. 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.720 You you uh you know Paul Shannon, everyone knows Paul Shannon involved at the one for every game. 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:55.200 Yeah. 00:11:55.440 --> 00:12:07.759 And Paul Paul was heavily a Paul, I think, was the secretary of the band at

the time, uh uh, and very much the organiser himself and Damien Fines uh very much the organisers of the the what went on in the band. 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.600 Sorry, we all went over to to Moscow, super trip, you know. 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:20.320 And of course, Paul Shannon uh uh doesn't drink alcohol, never, never did, and uh and never does. 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:34.879 Uh but while we were there, we were going to function after function, and uh we went to one particularly important function uh where there was a few kind of chiefs and some diplomats and some leaders of the the organization there. 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:51.519 And I remember we were sitting around this big massive table, and they had like guys come around filling our glasses, and of course, they all wanted to make speeches, and and for the speeches they used to fill this little shot glass with with kind of a hundred percent Russian vodka. 00:12:52.240 --> 00:13:02.000 And we were trying our best to drink some of it, but not drink it because we knew if we start drinking all of this stuff, you know, we were going to be on the floor. 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:14.960 Uh and uh but we did our best, uh and of course uh Paul Shannon, who who didn't take a drink at all, ended up having a few of these shots uh of of vodka. 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.120 Oh boy, he's right, yeah. 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:24.480 Uh and while we talk about it this day, um uh he was in a serious state for for a day or two after that. 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:30.320 Um and it's it's a it's a very funny story, and there's other funny stories, you know, uh around that. 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:38.080 But uh that was the the one and only time that Paul Shannon had uh any alcohol when he was involved with the Verbrigade Pipe Band. 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:38.480 Wow. 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:48.240 Um uh and we learned we we myself and John and and and John McNally, the current chairperson of the band, we we went down to visit Paul Shannon there recently. 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:53.919 He's he's um uh it's important that I talk about him when I'm talking about the one with Furbergate Pipe Band. 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:58.159 Went down to visit him, he's in a nursing home in Melute, uh County Kildare. 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.960 And he's in great form, he's in really good form. 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:08.159 Um uh obviously getting on in age and the health is not great, but uh loves the stories, loves recounting the stories. 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:15.519 And uh the last day we were down with him, he broke into a few songs, uh, which was quite entertaining, I have to say. 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:17.919 Ah so yeah, now it's good. 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:24.159 I took a couple of videos of him and uh uh I shared him with the band members, and it was it was it was great, it was great, you know. 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.240 So we keep we keep in touch with him. 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:54.320 So um throughout the years you've been a very close friend with the FDNY pipe band, but you know, being from Dublin, I'm sure you you've been created friendships all over the world, I obviously Moscow, but where where are other what are the other places around the world that uh you've traveled to or people have traveled to you and you've become you know close friends similar to how FDNY is with you guys? 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.879 Well uh uh so so it's important to mention the FDNY. 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:15.600 Like we obviously we met, as I said, uh my first interaction with them was was in 1989, and then my first trip then to to New York, my first ever trip to New York uh with the band uh was in 1994. 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:32.799 Uh and we were going over there um uh and at the time we were there uh the World Cup, the uh the World Cup was on, and and uh Ireland were in the World Cup at that time, Jack Charlton was our manager, and it was a great time. 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:54.399 And I remember we were over there, um beautiful weather, um, and the Ireland were playing Norway in joint stadium, and myself and my now wife Tina, um both big soccer fans, um we hadn't tickets, we didn't have tickets for the game, and most people had tickets, and tickets were hard to come by. 00:15:54.879 --> 00:16:03.519 Um, but as it happened, we were in with the band, we were over at the uh New Jersey Garden State Irish Festival. 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:10.080 We were at that, it was a big event and that was on, uh loads of uh entertainment there. 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:18.399 The wolf tones were playing, so it was a really good day with a couple of bears, and we'd still know tickets for the game, and the game was on in a day or two later. 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:34.000 Um but I remember we were walking around, and as we were walking around, we noticed this guy pushing a baby's buggy and stuck to the baby, the front of the baby was a little sign saying two tickets to the Ireland Norway game for sale. 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:38.879 So we stopped him and said, Look at what's the what's the deal with the tickets, you know? 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:45.600 And he says, Yeah, I'm selling two tickets, I can't make it$130 each, which would have been quite expensive at the time. 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:46.240 Right. 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:51.600 So I I tried to haggle with him a bit on the price, and uh he he wasn't budgeting. 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:57.279 But I was wearing a a Dublin Fire Brigade Fire Brigade um baseball cap. 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:02.720 And he said, I'll tell you what, I'll give them to you for$120 each if you give me the baseball cap. 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:06.000 And I went, fair enough, we're here, we want to get the tickets. 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:18.400 So I gave him the I gave him the the baseball hat, he gave me the two tickets,$240, and we went to the uh we ended up going to the Ireland Norway Game and Giants Stadium, which was fantastic, you know. 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:22.960

Uh obviously met met up with the FDMY guys and on that particular trip. 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:32.079 I think we if I'm not mistaken, we played we played down in Scarsdale together at a gig down there, it was part of the Irish festival thing. 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:45.359 Um but getting back to your your original question, and we've been back and forth obviously a number of times, you know, both uh ourselves going to New York and New York coming to be coming to us. 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.920 But um we've done a good view of the States um over the years. 00:17:50.079 --> 00:18:00.640 Uh uh we've been to our our last trip there was to Palm Beach in Florida, Delray Beach in Florida, uh for their Patrick's Day parade last year, which was excellent. 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:02.559 A good group of us went over to that. 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:07.759 Uh and that would have been my probably my third time in Delray for the parade in Delray. 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:16.559 Uh and Delray is great because you get to meet not only your FDNY colleagues, you get to meet the guys from DC and Greater Boston and Palm Beach. 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:29.680 And uh so it's a great, it's a great time for us all to get together, not not just for pipe band stuff, but but but for meeting for a few beers, a bit of crack and did did you go to the bar uh Johnny Brown's while you were there? 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.480 The one that's right on the railroad track? 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:34.880 Oh, with the on the corner at the railroad track. 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:35.359 Yes. 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:38.720 Yeah, not not this time we didn't go there, but we've been there before. 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:50.400 Yeah, that that's pretty that's like atmosphere when they they they're all in cahoots with the guy who drives the train and it goes through like every hour and the band stops playing, everybody's like quiet. 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:54.400 Yeah, the train comes by, they honk the horn, everybody goes crazy. 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.640 Yeah, and then the countdown happens again, like because it's an hour later. 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:00.960 It's it's great atmosphere there. 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.480 No, it's good, and we we've thoroughly enjoyed our time there. 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:15.519 Um, and obviously we've been to uh we've been to Washington, DC, um, we've been to Chicago, we've been to Kansas, we went to the Paddy's Day Parade in Kansas, that was really good. 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:23.279 Um yeah, and even closer it feels we did the Patrick's Day Parade in London, we did Patrick's Day Parade in Belfast. 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:30.640 Uh we did uh a gig over in uh in Ghent and Belgium there a couple of years ago. 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.119 Um so yeah, we've been around. 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:44.319 I have to say, you know, and I often say to people that were in the fire brigade here, you know, join the pipe band and see the world, and it's exactly what actually happens, and I try to encourage people to join the band. 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:53.839 Um but anyone involved in it with who's done any trips away, and even with the the groups coming coming to Dublin as well to meet with us, it's been just fantastic. 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:59.759 Like even last Patrick's Day, uh we'd like we had a number of uh bands over for St. 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:07.279 Patrick's Day, and uh we'd with a great parade, great bit of sunshine, and with a great after party, and it was excellent, you know. 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:08.640 I wish we could do it. 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:11.839 I wish the the the th issue with us is it's always on St. 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.279 Patrick's Day, and we're never gonna miss the New York City St. 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:16.640 Patrick's Day Parade. 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:20.000 You know, no, and and uh and of course the St. 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:25.279 Patrick's Day Parade in in New York is just it's like it's it's fantastic, it's huge. 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:29.119 Uh I'm not sure what year, I think we did it in '96. 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.000 Uh thoroughly enjoyed it in '96. 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:38.319 And then obviously uh the after party back to the armory afterwards, and uh and all that went with that. 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:51.039 Over the few days that we were there, or the member hadn't gone out on Marine one out onto the water out to the Statue of Liberty, and really well looked after, which is which is which is what normally happens, which is really good. 00:20:51.680 --> 00:21:14.559 Um and uh so a massive relationship there and and obviously made some really good friends while we were there and over the years, and and I think then uh the time after that, I think unfortunately the next time after that that I went would have been in after 9-11 uh when we went over to the Broncos funeral. 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:20.079 Um so that was that was uh that was a tough time, but uh but we were we were delighted to be there. 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:25.279 Only a small group of us went over, I think it was five or six of us went over uh for the funeral. 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:34.400 And uh um but e even though it's a it's a it's it was a terrible time and a sad time, it it's it sticks in your memory. 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:38.000 It's uh one of those memorable times in your visit to New York, you know. 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:41.119 Yeah, yeah, that was that was those were tough times. 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:47.680 I I can tell you my first time I met the Dublin Fire Brigade guys was uh it was in 1995. 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:50.400 We there was a bunch of us that came over. 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:59.680 Well, there's five of us, and in including Bronco, Joe Murphy, uh Liam, um Tom. 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:01.119 Tommy Caneen. 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:05.279 Uh there was a couple guys, you know, there was like I think there was five or six of us. 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:09.920 And we went to

the Rosa Trilli festival and we marched with you guys. 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.359 That was 1995, and they have they had their parade. 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:14.799 So we marched with you guys. 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.359 And that was when I first met John Daly. 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:22.559 That's when I first met uh Peter Hetterman, who I wanted to have never heard of him. 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:25.519 I wanted to kill him. 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:35.599 We were staying in some uh we were staying with Arbor gate in like some school, like the gym, the gym floor or something. 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:36.000 Yeah. 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.480 Like the mats, that's what we were sleeping on. 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:39.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:45.599 I remember being hung over one morning and and header is this is my first introduction to Pete Hederman. 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:50.720 And he's he's got a broomstick and he's going, Wakey, wakey, wakey, wakey's he's poking us. 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.279 And we're like, get the hell out of here. 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:55.519 Yeah, oh my god, I wanted to kill him. 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:57.519 But then, you know, you learn to love him. 00:22:57.680 --> 00:22:59.680 He was uh he was quite the character. 00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:06.960 I remember he had a he had a business card that he would hand everybody, and it said Peter Hederman, ladies' man. 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:14.000 Yeah, uh Peter Peter's great, and there's just loads of stories of Peter. 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:16.160 He was very entertaining on the trips. 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:28.160 When we used to go on the trips to the States, and you know they're always a long haul trip, so it's a long-haul flight, and there may be a connecting flight, and then there may be a two or three hour coach journey to your final destination. 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.799 I remember we went to Florida and DC one year, and it was a good bit of travelling in between. 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:39.119 Uh, and of course, you'd be all fairly tired from one thing and another, and of course, having a couple of beers on the bus. 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:51.599 But Heather would be able to walk the in between the seats of the bus from the time he left wherever we were leaving to our destination, and he'd be entertaining the crowd. 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:59.759 He would have the energy to just keep going, and the laugh and the crack and the singing and the beers, it was just it was a lot. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:01.440 There were great, great, great memories. 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:02.400 Yeah, you know what? 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.319 And you have to have that guy. 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:20.880 You know, we have we always had that guy back in you know, when I first came into Binya, guys like Gene Freyer, who was that was a guy that could roast anybody, he could roast the president of the United States and and get away with it because that's just the personality he

had. 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:26.880 And his voice, he could sing, he'd write songs and talk about entertainment, him, John Cox. 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:27.759 Oh my god. 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:28.079 Yeah. 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:35.279 Yeah, I always remember Heather's Heather's uh party piece used to be the uh River Dance Dance. 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:37.359 That's that was a sight to see. 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.160 You know, sure it was a sight to see. 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:44.400 But but uh but Heather's he he uh he was unwell for a little while there. 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:48.079 He took a bit of a break from the band, and thankfully now he's back with us. 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:50.960 He's been he's been back playing a few gigs and so on. 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:52.559 And Bobby, his brother, is there as well. 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.599 And yeah, some of the old stalwarts are still knocking around. 00:24:55.759 --> 00:25:22.720 We're we're we're some people would say we're an aging band, but we are of course, and like like the FDMY, there's there's a lot of the older guys there, and uh there's a lot of new lads coming through, and new lads uh learning the pipes and drums, new lads taking on committee roles and executive roles, and uh so hopefully the future is bright for for the band, you know, when the when the older guys are starting to slow down a little bit. 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.640 Yeah, you need that younger generation coming through for sure. 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:28.319 Yeah, absolutely, yeah. 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.920 Yeah, new personalities, new humour, all of it. 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:32.960 Yeah, it's important. 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:34.319 Yeah, yeah. 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:51.759 Um I meant to say to you there, when I was talking to you about the 94 trip as a side note to that, um so the the trip was announced in 94 that we're they were going over to the World Cup uh to New York, and uh myself and uh my now wife Tina were getting married in '94. 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.119 Uh and obviously we were saving our money and whatever. 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.599 Uh and we said that look, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, you know, trip to New York. 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:04.799 We hadn't been to New York, and of course the World Cup, we hadn't obviously the World Cup was important, you know. 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:12.559 So we scratched the wedding and uh decided to take the trip instead, and then we got married in '95. 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.039 And we always get reminded of that story. 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.000 So so uh yeah, it was worth doing. 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.119 Is she the one that reminds you of of it all the time? 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:22.079 Yeah, well, I don't know. 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:24.160 She was uh she was all for it at the time. 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:25.119 No problem at all, you know. 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:26.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:28.240 So it's

good, yeah. 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:39.599 And I remember then, I remember the FDMY came over to I think it was the All Irelands in in Letter Kenny in Donegal in uh 2006, I think. 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:40.640 Yeah, I was there. 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:40.880 Yeah. 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:42.400 Yeah, you were there for that one. 00:26:42.480 --> 00:27:17.200 Um we stayed uh and we we were using the we were using the forest station as a base because the the the competition was in the green area across from the forest station and uh I remember contacting the uh the station after captain at the time or in your terms uh in in the other Kenny Forest Station, Mick Malloy, uh, and saying to him, Look, is there any chance that you know we're gonna be there uh taking part in the competition and we've a we have a gang coming over from New York with the only chance we could use the facilities of the station, you know? 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:19.680 And he said, Absolutely no problem at all. 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:25.359 You know, that kind of I suppose brotherhood is there alive and well, no problem at all. 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:28.559 So we went down and we actually did take over the places you might remember. 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:44.559 Um was great, and uh and it's great to see Mick Malloy, that particular guy, uh has been friends with us ever since and has done a few trips away with us with the band, and we still chat to him to this day. 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:47.599 My father was with me on that trip. 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:48.400 Oh, really? 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:53.279 Yeah, he was there, and uh I've been to Letter Kenny since then, too. 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:58.799 And there's the pub the pub that I remember going to that's 2006, right? 00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:05.440 Yeah, there's there's a pub in town there now, it's McGinley's Now, but I don't think it was called McGinley's back then. 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:07.440 It was a great pub. 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:14.880 We remember up the upstairs, very, very uh authentic type Irish pub, really nice place. 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.920 I love I love Letter Kenny, it's a good great town. 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:19.759 Yeah, I've been up a few times. 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.559 I've actually met Mick Malloy a few times up there. 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.720 Um and I've just noticed there. 00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.839 My young lad plays plays soccer, he's back playing soccer now again. 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:37.839 He was injured there for a while, and he's just got his fixtures for the the coming season, and Letter Kenny is on the on the fixture list, so we'll be back up there very soon, you know. 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:50.720 You know, uh as a side note, because I don't want to forget to tell you this, but um I didn't realize you were from Malahyde, but a buddy of mine, uh Timmy Murphy, just landed in Ireland this morning. 00:28:50.880 --> 00:29:00.400 He um yeah, he he flew out last night, he landed

this morning, and I think he's staying in Malahyde for three nights. 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.279 You know, sorry to uh pass all my details. 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:11.599 This is a guy that I that you know I go to Ireland every October with uh a group of ten guys, and we do a pub crawl in a different part of Ireland. 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:16.160 Every uh we've been doing this is this year, this October is we are 11th year. 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:18.160 And we it's just three nights. 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:19.200 It's a three night pub. 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.720 I told this to John Daly, he's around Ireland for three nights. 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:28.079 He when I was in the last time I was in Dublin with these guys, he he met up with us. 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:35.359 I don't know if you were there that night, but um we'll be in Dublin again this October for one night. 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.799 We're going to Belfast for two nights, then we're gonna be in Dublin for one night. 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:46.559 Because you're saying Timmy Murphy's there, but are you are you over for your your three days uh pulbcroft in October? 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:51.279 Yeah, that's what we're gonna be in Belfast for two nights and and Dublin for one night. 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:52.640 I'll let you know. 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:54.079 Do you let you know? 00:29:54.160 --> 00:30:02.400 I told Jerry Devine, I told uh John Daly, uh, you know, just letting guys know that we're we are gonna be there for one night, so we'll hook up for some. 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.319 We'll hook up for a point, yeah. 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.000 I'm actually in Belfast next week. 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.960 We're going up to uh we're going up to the flour. 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:10.559 The flour's on in Belfast now. 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:16.160 Yeah, my um so my cousin Dawn Doherty, she's uh a musician. 00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:19.119 She usually wins those things for this slow air. 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:20.880 She's uh tin whistle plays a tin whistle. 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:21.599 Oh, okay. 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.759 She's from Mayo, but she lives in New York. 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:30.079 She lives um she has a school, a music school, an Irish music school in Woodlawn in the Bronx. 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:38.720 All right, Yonkers, whatever you want to that's uh but yeah, she's a very, very good tin whistle player. 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.920 She's she's been on my podcast, but she'll be at the fly. 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.119 If you're there, look for the tin whistlers. 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:47.599 All right, and she's gonna give me a name again. 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:49.599 Uh Dawn Daugherty. 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:54.319 She has a son, he's I don't know, he's maybe eight or nine, I don't even think he's eight years old. 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.480 He's gonna be competing as well. 00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:04.480 Oh, but you'd love to listen to her play because

I think she's won the whole thing like a few times, at least once. 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.960 Well, I I'll certainly look out for her, yeah. 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:07.920 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:08.960 Yeah, that'd be interesting. 00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:10.559 I'll just I'll certainly look her up. 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.319 Uh looking forward to going up there, actually. 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:14.160 Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.680 Um with with the Dublin Fire Brigade pipe band. 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.079 Uh obviously, you're an Irish pipe band. 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.319 Do you play Irish and Scottish music, or are you just playing Irish music? 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.359 What's your repertoire? 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.359 So, yeah, it's it's it's a bit of boat, really. 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:38.880 What we're actually looking to do is we're looking to kind of, I don't mean we're we're very traditional. 00:31:39.119 --> 00:32:04.160 Like we've been we've been like everything we've been doing up to now, and we're what 40 into we're going ahead into our 41st year now, and everything we've been doing up to now has been very traditional pipe band uh music, uh, department, uh everything has been very traditional, and we've got two excellent instructors, Kieran Mordant on the drums and Dave Rickard on the pipes. 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:14.160 Uh and these these are very much pipe band royalty in in Ireland and would be known across the world, certainly, Kieran, for for his judging and stuff like that. 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:29.200 Uh but if you if you if you said to them you wanted to kind of diverge away from from the traditional stuff, they they they wouldn't be happy with it, although you know they're our instructors and we we we pay their fees and whatever, but they wouldn't be happy with it. 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:37.359 So we've been very traditional in terms of what we play and how we present ourselves, and it's been great uh for all these years. 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:58.319 Uh uh and we never really went away, we never kind of even party pieces and and and upbeat kind of uh you know changing the rhythm a little bit, we've never really done that, and we've been always very strict in and even how we we would dress, we would never you'd never see us wearing a kilt and a pair of flip-flops, for example. 00:32:58.480 --> 00:32:59.599 You'd never see that. 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:21.119 Um but but we spoke recently there about maybe changing things up a little bit just to make it just that little bit more entertaining because times are changing and maybe to attract more people in and and having a few more party tunes and uh that's in in negotiations at the moment, but there's a lot of uh there's a lot of support for that there now. 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:32.960 But it's so but up to now it was is was your I won't say typical traditional pipe band, whether it be Irish or Scottish tunes,

but it's been very much like that. 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:40.640 Uh you know, your your dawnings of the dawning of the day, your you know the 20 minutes in Dublin Town, all those type of tunes, you know. 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.839 Uh which we've been playing for a long, long time. 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:50.319 Um uh and you know, maybe a little change is is is is needed in this stage, you know. 00:33:50.559 --> 00:34:18.480 You know, it's a great conversation because I think a lot of bands are having that same conversation, um just to attract the younger generation, you know, to get I mean, look at even in the United States, you have um there are some people that are against it, but you have uh Allie the Piper, she goes around and she's wailing out you know hard rock uh Metallica songs on the bagpipes, and she's selling out shows, but you know why? 00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.079 Because people want to listen to that. 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:27.840 They you know it's something new and they want to learn it, they want to learn how to play um uh Thunderstruck on the bagpipes, yeah. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:45.039 Um yeah, I there is definitely a a need for at least the conversation of of changing things up a little bit, maybe not so drastic, but um, yeah, I think there's a there's I I think sorry we're cutting across you. 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.679 I think there there's probably a middle ground there. 00:34:47.760 --> 00:35:01.440 Like we we certainly won't be doing thunder suck, I don't think, but but there are there are certain tunes that we could do that that kind of change it up a little bit and give that more of a party feel and yeah, maybe get more interest from a younger crowd. 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:18.239 Uh we witnessed it ourselves even last Patrick's Day, uh, when we had you know the greater Boston guys over and the Palm Beach guys over, and uh um you know they they play a little bit of that and it was it was very entertaining, I have to say, very entertaining. 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:33.599 Uh and while there is that we're very you know, like we always said that we were never we were never gonna be a grade one or grade two band, or you know, we were always we had a certain level that we could we could reach and and we attracted that kind of a player. 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:40.000 Um so mixing it up a little bit uh is for sure a conversation that has to be had. 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:40.880 Yeah. 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:50.239 Now um uniform, you we get the question a lot of times, you know, about our tartan, the FDNY tartan. 00:35:50.639 --> 00:36:00.960 And and the fact that you know, I always heard how an Irish pipe band has a solid kilt where a Scottish band has a a tartan. 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:08.960 And why is it that the FDNY, who is an Emerald Society Irish pipe band, uh why does it wear a tartan? 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:15.039 And and I give the example of you know, the reason why we have a tartan is because all of the colors mean something. 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:30.880 Like the black is represents the firemen that died in the line of duty, the blue represents the firefighters, the white in our kilt represents the officers, and the green represents uh our Irish roots and uh the Emerald Society. 00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:40.559 So I I know that the Dublin pipe ban originally had a solid kilt, so and now you have the tartan. 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:43.599 What what what are the reasons behind that change? 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:50.559 So yeah, we we did have the solid uh blue uh tartan, or I'm sorry, blue kilt. 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:51.599 We had the solid blue. 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:57.840 Uh it's actually gas, you you you you you you mentioned because we're in conversation at the moment about changing things up a little bit. 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:02.719 Uh we had the solid blue, which which which was representing Dublin. 00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:04.079 That's what that was doing. 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:08.719 It was the Dublin blue colour, and that's what we wore as our solid blue kilt. 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.039 And then we changed that, I can't remember the year, we changed that to the tartan. 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:21.519 And we wanted to keep with the blue the kind of the the kind of uniform of of of the Fur Brigade and the Dublin colour. 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.519 We wanted to keep with that, um, but we wanted a tartan. 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:32.400 Um and we ended up getting the Edzel tartan, which is actually in a US tartan. 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.519 Uh I think it's US Navy, if I'm not mistaken. 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:47.840 Um and but the colours in that, like what you said, there's the blue for Dublin City, and there's the red for your red fire brigade uh colours, right? 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:53.440 Uh and they are the two primary colours that are in the in the kilt, and obviously there's a white going through it as well. 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.719 Um so that's that was the reason for the change. 00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:58.239 You want to go to a tartan. 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:10.719 Uh now you could some conversation is if you look at the Irish Army colour, which is a kind of an orangey, rusty colour, uh that they use that colour. 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.840 Um we're we're we're actually in discussion at the moment about changing the air look a little bit. 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:22.480 Uh uh we feel that the uniform is getting a bit old and tattered looking at the moment, and we have a good few years. 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:28.559 Um so that's up for discussion, but I think we're going to stick with the with the tartan. 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:30.400 I think that's gonna stay the same. 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:36.159 And there was an interest in staying going back to the the playing colour, but I think the tartan is there to stay. 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.719 Joe Murphy. 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:41.840 Yeah, you obviously remember Joe Murphy.

00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:42.880 Yeah, I do, yeah. 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.079 Yeah, John Daly he called me. 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:57.280 He was in Florida on vacation, and he he just went home with his family, just landed in the airport, and he found out that Joe Murphy passed away. 00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.920 Who was our band chairman many years ago? 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:07.840 Uh matter of fact, Joe was with us on that very first trip I took when we were at the uh Rosa Trilli Festival. 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:09.280 The Rosa Trilli Pray. 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:10.639 Joe was on that trip as well. 00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:12.639 But Joe passed away. 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:17.599 John nearly just he just got off the plane with his family. 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:23.920 He gets the phone call that that Joe passed away, and he gets right back on a plane and comes back to New York. 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:24.559 Yeah. 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.679 You know, that's the friendships that we have. 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.159 You know, he got right back on a plane. 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:31.760 Joe was quite the character. 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:52.719 He certainly was, and I and and I used to love when when Joe and uh like Paul Shannon used to get together, you know, the the the stories and the banter, you know, and they were kind of you know in around the kind of same age bracket, you know, and uh uh the the they were they were the old they're great for the stories. 00:39:52.960 --> 00:40:04.480 And it when we you know when you're out with the band, people kind of you're people are you know you you attract people, people come to you and look at them, want to talk to you and and ask questions and tell you stories and whatever else. 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:14.880 And we used to always just direct them over to Paul Shannon or or if Joe was there, you just if you want to know about the FDMI, just you just go over to Joe there, he'll he'll give you all the details, you know. 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:16.800 Uh but yeah, fantastic. 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:24.400 But I'm not surprised to hear the the and I knew about the John Daney story about him going uh going back over to the funeral, you know. 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:30.719 Yeah, there is that huge connection there and uh and uh uh family-like indeed. 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:58.559 It's a bit like it's a bit like when Bronco, you know Bronco obviously um when obviously Bronco went missing obviously in 9-11 and wasn't uh wasn't recovered till the October and we got word that he'd been recovered, that uh it was without hesitation we said, you know, we're we're we're gone, we're g we're going over to pay our respects and show solidarity with the with the guys and pay our respects to to Bronco and and all of that. 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:00.960 Uh that that's always been there. 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:25.440 And and even I I remember I remember meeting Leem uh Fardy when we were there and uh there was a suggestion that you know uh that we would go down to the site to to uh more just to show a bit a bit of s solidarity with the lads, the FDMY guys that were down there, and the NYPD and all the other services that were there. 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.719 And uh so arrangements were made for us to go down to the site, which was which is unbelievable. 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:32.159 Uh and and I'll never forget it. 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:46.079 I remember Lima organising um organising uh a couple of minibuses from the FDMY to bring us down, and uh a very kind of a very solemn kind of experience. 00:41:46.400 --> 00:42:02.559 We got down to a certain distance into it, uh, and then we had to transfer from the minibuses into golf buggies because the ground was still kind of soft, it was still deemed to be uh a working site or recovery site. 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:14.960 Um but but Liam brought us down anyway, and uh we obviously met up with the with the FTMY guys down there, um and it meant so much to us to be there, you know, for the guys that were there. 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:21.039 And we had we we attended a couple of the funerals uh while we weren't there for long, we were only there for a few days. 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:50.159 Uh and but in particular uh Bronco and then going about the Broncos burial, and there's a good photograph I'd have done have you seen it's it's still knocking around uh at the when we were lowering the casket of Bronco and uh uh we were standing around and of course the the bottle of red breast whiskey came out uh and we we all poured a glass of small glass of whiskey and obviously poured a drop in on uh on on Bronco and and saluted him. 00:42:50.400 --> 00:43:00.000 And uh someone took a photograph and it was myself and Neem and and John Daly and a couple of other guys from the FDMY uh in that photograph. 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:09.039 I still have it actually, and uh yeah, so yeah, and that will continue, I think, uh relationship with the FDMY. 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:14.880 Um and so no surprises that that uh John did what he did when uh calling the John Murphy's thing. 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:22.719 I also have a picture of uh that final pour of the red breast onto Bronco's casket was by Billy Murphy. 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.159 Yeah, Billy was pouring uh the red breast on the casket. 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:29.039 Uh great man. 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:40.079 That guy, you know, he didn't look Irish at all, but I remember one time we were in Johnny Fox's and we were all singing these songs, and uh Bronco was singing. 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.119 Uh he Bronco knew every word to every song, you know. 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:45.920 And it was actually interesting to see him. 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.079 He was Irish, he was Irish and Italian. 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:49.599 He looked a little bit more Italian. 00:43:49.679 --> 00:44:00.559 We actually he used to say, Um, I look more Lebanese, like that I don't even know what Lebanese

looks like, but yeah, maybe the face to features, yeah, but he was a big man. 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:02.880 He was a big man, big man. 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:09.360 But it was funny to watch him sing all these Irish songs, you know, and um and Joe Murphy too. 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:17.920 Joe Murphy had quite the uh the voice because everybody'd be singing here, and Joe Murphy's voice would be like an octave higher. 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.199 And I used to tell people, oh yeah, he's just singing in harmony. 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:28.480 You know, if you listen, we have the bagpipe band C D that we came out before 9-11. 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:35.599 That CD came out, and the last song on there is us singing the Minster Boy, and you can hear what I'm talking about. 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:40.960 Joe Murphy's voice is in the background, like in like some kind of his own harmony. 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:42.960 So funny. 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.480 Oh, I've it's great, great characters, super characters. 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:47.519 Great crack, yeah. 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:54.880 That you you mentioned that you uh you worked in that prison before you came on the job, and you had a few stories from that. 00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:02.800 Is there anything at well uh there's obviously the stories from there are not uh you know not kind of stories you'd be sharing really. 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.599 Uh but what but I got involved at that time, which was a great honour, I suppose. 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:40.079 I got involved with their um their colour guard or their honour guard they had they had at the time, and it was a big deal at the time because uh it was in 2001 they were uh they were re-interning the the the remains of the ten Irish volunteers uh from who were buried who were hung and executed in and buried in in Mount Joy Prison, and they were taking them back up and uh reburying them in Glassnevin Cemetery. 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:52.960 And uh I got involved in that and ended up being the pal bearer for for the coffin of Kevin Burry, which is you know which is an it was an absolute honour to to do at the time. 00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.920 Uh and I have I've I've got photographs of that as well. 00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.000 It was a tragic time, obviously. 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:10.320 Uh, you know, ten ten known as the unknown ten or the forgotten ten that were buried there, amongst others that were hung at the time, uh executed and Kevin Barry in particular, who was only an 18-year-old. 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:15.679 Uh but to be a pallbearer for that while I was working for the Irish prison service was quite an honour. 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:22.000 Uh uh and they they ended up getting a full state military funeral um after all those years. 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:22.480 Yeah. 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.199 What year, what year was that with Kevin Barry? 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.599 That would have been uh the 2001 as well. 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:30.400 2001. 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:31.199 Oh, it was. 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:31.840 Yeah. 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.199 Well, Tom, it was it was great to catch up with you. 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:36.480 No, no, look at that. 00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:41.599 I just yeah, thanks for having me on and uh yeah, looking forward to continued friendship. 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:41.920 Yeah. 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:44.639 That's that's the that's the number one thing here. 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:46.639 But but great catching up with you, Tom. 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.519 And I will definitely get in touch with you in October. 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.480 I'll send you the information of when I'll be in Dublin. 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:53.920 Great, and we'll have a point. 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:55.840 Yeah, sounds great.