บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Rome Like Ghosts On Friendship, Grief, And The Acoustic Shift

of pay they can get right now, right? 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:00.319 Yeah. 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:01.599 Yeah. 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:07.840 I had to argue for I think it was two and a half years, the free use or fair use act. 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:29.199 And then basically, my I contacted a lawyer friend who uh specializes in copyright law, and he was like, basically, as long as we can prove you're not making money and have no intent on making money, then we can argue the fair use act, and then there's nothing they can do, which is why this show is not monetized, everyone. 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:31.360 We do this for the love of the game. 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.599 There is no money purposes only, educational purposes only. 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:41.039 So if you would like to sponsor me, not the show, please let me know. 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.080 Anyways, welcome to the show, guys. 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:48.719 So we do have Rome like Ghosts on the show. 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:57.439 We also have Nickelback and Queens of the Stone Age just dropped new albums today, and Marshmallow did a collab that you will not believe. 00:03:57.599 --> 00:03:59.919 But first, life updates. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:04.240 We go around the table and get what's going on in your neck of the woods. 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:05.759 So let's start with Bucky. 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.000 Bucky, what's going on in your world? 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.159 Like literally, yeah, literally. 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:10.800 Okay. 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:15.919 So my daughter's upstairs getting made up for her Halloween party. 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:17.839 She brought some friends over. 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.000 They're doing the dry run for makeup. 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:21.759 So pretty cool. 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:22.959 That's fine. 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:23.839 How old? 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:25.279 Uh, she's 16. 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:25.680 Yeah. 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:26.639 Nice. 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:31.199 I have a two-year-old in the other room. 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:31.759 Okay. 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:32.240 Yeah. 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:35.759 He also is getting done out for Halloween. 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:36.480 Yeah. 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:37.439 Okay. 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:41.199 What about you, Matt? 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:53.680 I'm kind of well, my son's here downstairs playing video games, but uh my uh my wife does uh local theater stuff, so she's out with the theater group. 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.439 They're performing some play. 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:56.480 What is it? 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:00.000 Uh Once Upon a Mattress, the play is. 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:00.560 Oh, okay. 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.199 She's helping do the house stuff for that. 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.079 But yeah, other than that, uh voted today. 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:07.439 So yeah, cool. 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:08.079 Me too, man. 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:09.600 Where's the sticker? 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:10.319 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:12.720 It was on my other shirt. 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:13.040 Yes. 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:14.399 I don't know. 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:15.600 This sounds fake. 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:15.920 Yeah. 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:17.600 Neither one of you have a sticker. 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.759 Don't don't try it, Bobby, unless you got a sticker. 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:24.800 So do you have a picture with a date? 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.519 Yeah, you gotta be you gotta hold the newspaper. 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:28.079 Yeah. 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:32.079 You gotta get what is it, the the daily times or whatever we have here. 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:37.279 So you guys are all Virginia, and and I am going to vote on Tuesday. 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:38.639 Are we doing early voting? 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:40.160 I didn't know that we had early voting. 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:45.519 Yeah, they've had fairly early voting here for like two, two or three weeks. 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:55.040 Oh, first it was at the government center only, and then now that it opened, they opened up some smaller places, so like less than a mile away from me. 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:55.839 Gotcha. 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:58.959 My son and my wife and I went and voted today. 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:00.319 So heck yeah. 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.439 I I will be doing it on Tuesday because I didn't know about the early voting. 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:06.160 I might maybe I'll go Monday and then just take Tuesday. 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.000 I already have Tuesday off because of the voting. 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.079 So maybe I'll just take Tuesday off. 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:13.040 I think today was the last day for early voting. 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:15.040 Oh at least here. 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:15.519 Yeah. 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:17.120 I don't know about Hampton. 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:18.079 So okay. 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:20.240 Well, I guess I'll just go on Tuesday. 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:20.800 It's fine. 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:23.199 It takes what, like an hour of your day. 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:24.480 Ish, yeah, yeah. 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:24.720 Yeah. 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:25.279 Yeah. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:28.240 Bobby, what's going on in your world, sir? 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:30.000 Uh I just got my son to bed. 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.800 He's uh he's gonna be one next week, which is crazy. 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:33.519 Oh wow. 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:36.000 Congratulations, first. 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:37.920 No, no, it's like a child. 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:40.560 My daughter put her way to bed right now with my wife. 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:41.600 She's uh six. 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:42.480 Oh, nice. 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:44.560 Very excited for Halloween. 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:48.399 Okay, so what's everyone's kids being for Halloween? 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.399 Mine,

mine don't do Halloween anywhere. 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:58.720 My daughter's down at school at VCU in Richmond, and then my son stopped doing Halloween years ago. 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:02.480 He just never really got into it. 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:04.160 And not the free candy? 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:06.240 No, he they don't eat much candy. 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:06.959 It's really weird. 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:07.920 My kids are weird. 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:13.439 We always like we always have like bags of Halloween candy sitting around for months. 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:17.279 And you know, I get to a point where I was like, I'm like, I can't eat this anymore. 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:17.680 No. 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.879 But my daughter used to love doing it. 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.360 She actually uh won Halloween. 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:26.000 We I did her makeup and stuff as Pennywise. 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:30.560 Nice people around the neighborhood were freaking out because they didn't even know it was her. 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:34.399 I had the skull cap with the clown hair and the makeup and everything. 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:35.839 It's pretty good. 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:43.759 Then she did Chucky one year, and then uh some character for some video game she played called Little Nightmares or something like that. 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:45.519 Yes, that's awesome. 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:46.399 That's awesome. 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:54.399 But she's in theater and so at school, so oh, so you're you're a family of theater. 00:07:55.279 --> 00:08:08.319 No, my wife got into it because my daughter started doing it, and so my wife started helping out at the high school, and then my daughter tried out for community theater play a couple summers ago and got a part and filled it on the roof. 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:19.040 And then my wife started helping out with them and then got on the board, and so and then last summer, this past summer, she did her first produced her first production. 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:20.639 They did uh Deer of Enhanced. 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:22.800 So my daughter was in that too. 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.720 But yeah, my daughter's been in theater since like ninth grade. 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:30.560 So now she goes to VC to perform. 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:35.440 She's actually in her second production there, so we're going down next weekend to see that. 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:36.799 That's awesome, man. 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:38.320 That's so cool. 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:42.720 I was actually rejected by the high school theater. 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:44.480 Yes, yes. 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:51.519 They they had me, so I was in choir and show choir, and I wanted to do theater, and I can't dance. 00:08:51.759 --> 00:09:03.679 So instead, they had me behind the stage, and I was the the singing voice for one of the characters that was a great actor but couldn't sing. 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:08.159 Oh wow, but he was he was lip-syncing to you, yeah. 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:15.360 Yeah, so yeah, I never did learn how to dance, but I do love to sing. 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:23.600 So, speaking of singing, we do have some big news from one of my favorite bands, Nickelback. 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:25.679 It's a massive Friday for rock fans. 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:38.559 Nickelback released their 11th studio album called Everything Under the Sun, while Queens of the Stone Age also returned with Perfecteth, their ninth studio record. 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:42.639 Both albums arrived on October 30th, which is today. 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:46.000 How do you guys feel about Nickelback? 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:56.240 I've actually seen them live when they we first when they first came out, they were on one of those bills, like you know, the radio stations put on, like had like six or seven bands. 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:04.320 I think it was Nickelback, System of the Down, Pete Yorn, Lounge Against the Machine, Blink and Blink 192. 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:08.879 Wait, Lounge Against the Machine, the rip the Richard Cheese project? 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:09.759 Yeah. 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:10.639 Yeah. 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:13.440 What we love him. 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:14.240 Yeah. 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:16.879 Dude, that's an incredible show. 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.440 Oh, and I think Coldplay was on that bill, too. 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:20.879 It's insane. 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:23.840 That that one I feel like is a little random for that. 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:24.399 Yeah. 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:29.840 That was uh the the HFS Nutcracker, I think, when HFS was still around. 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:31.360 99 HFS. 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:32.799 They were the big alternative. 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:33.840 Wow, man. 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:36.159 What a bill. 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:37.279 Yeah. 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:43.279 Have you guys ever thought about like some of the concerts you've seen over the years? 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:55.519 I think about that from time to time where I'm like, I've seen like smaller to mid-range artists that at the time you have no idea that they're going to be monumental successes. 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.399 And you just think back on those shows. 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:10.320 I remember going to uh one of the first warp tours in Uncle Side on the side stage was Limp Biscuit, but the only song that anybody knew was uh the uh Faith song, George Michael Cover. 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:14.879 And Blink 182 was a side stage band, and I think even Green Day was. 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:16.799 But wild, yeah. 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:18.399 So cool. 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.720 But does anybody dislike Nickelback here? 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:27.679 Um I'm indifferent. 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:42.399 I don't I don't listen to much radio or anything anymore, so you know my musical taste stick to uh like bands that I've been listening to for

years, or or if Bobby recommends something. 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.759 Like we we we just went and saw curator, yeah. 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:49.440 Yeah, we we just went and saw President last uh last month. 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:52.240 And so I was like, who who's that? 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:55.679 And he can't explain who they were, but we saw I listened. 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:58.960 Their new album came out, I think what a couple days before we went to see him. 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:00.000 It's really good. 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:12.000 So given your guys' background, that actually surprises me because Nickleback is one of those bands that is secretly a super heavy, awesome metal band. 00:12:58.829 --> 00:13:01.149 Yeah, super awesome. 00:13:03.710 --> 00:13:05.230 She says sarcastically. 00:13:06.590 --> 00:13:11.789 No, Taylor, Taylor is Taylor actually is diehard Nickelback, yeah. 00:13:12.029 --> 00:13:12.590 Big fan. 00:13:13.389 --> 00:13:16.189 But no, I so I I don't like their slower stuff. 00:13:16.350 --> 00:13:28.429 They have any of their like poppier hits, I don't like, but Silver Side Up, I think is is such a fantastic, like middle of the range metal album. 00:13:28.509 --> 00:13:38.269 Like somebody that if you're trying to introduce somebody into like harder music and you don't you don't want to just show them like I don't know, cannibal corpse, for example. 00:13:38.669 --> 00:13:42.350 You know, you don't want to just jump right in, you gotta ease them into it. 00:13:42.590 --> 00:13:49.870 So you you show them like like animals or or what's another one of their like heavier songs on their side of a bullet, you know what I mean? 00:13:49.949 --> 00:13:59.069 Like you show them those things and you kind of ease them into the other stuff, polyphia or or periphery or whatever that band is. 00:14:00.269 --> 00:14:08.269 But speaking of your guys' background, you guys have been doing music for nearly what like 30-ish years, right? 00:14:08.429 --> 00:14:11.149 90 93, I think. 00:14:11.389 --> 00:14:11.710 Yeah. 00:14:12.509 --> 00:14:16.990 And you guys have but you guys have been in some heavier projects. 00:14:17.389 --> 00:14:22.269 Do you do you ever find yourselves like missing that harder music? 00:14:22.509 --> 00:14:23.149 Oh yeah. 00:14:23.389 --> 00:14:37.069 But at this point in in in my life, it's just like it's like you don't miss going to shows and loading in at six o'clock and not playing till eleven and then getting home at three in the morning. 00:14:37.470 --> 00:14:38.350 On a Wednesday. 00:14:38.590 --> 00:14:51.629 Yeah, Wednesday, Sunday night, or yeah, or you know, it's just when you when you're an independent band, you know, all the you know, a lot of the marketing and the booking and all that stuff is on you. 00:14:52.429 --> 00:15:02.189 So it it gets it's I've found over the over the years that it's gotten tougher and tougher and tougher to do yourself. 00:15:02.669 --> 00:15:21.629 So it's like with with what we do nowadays, we we end up playing like breweries and wineries and stuff like that that want you to play for three hours and have have covers mixed in and stuff like that, and we're just like, uh, you know, so we'll learn a couple covers just to say we do them. 00:15:21.949 --> 00:15:22.269 Right. 00:15:22.590 --> 00:15:27.629 We can predominantly play our stuff, but yeah, back in the day it was crazy. 00:15:27.870 --> 00:15:29.309 So a lot heavier. 00:15:29.549 --> 00:15:48.909 Although Harley, what I'll say is if you think about the the progression of our three albums, you know, the first one, yeah, the first one was a little more falky, the second one we introduced some percussion into the folk and got a little bit more Americanish, and then got a little bit a little bit heavier on the third one. 00:15:49.069 --> 00:15:54.429 So if you think fourth album and background, a little teaser, you never know, man. 00:15:55.149 --> 00:15:58.590 Yeah, distortion pedals could be coming back out. 00:15:58.829 --> 00:16:01.309 We're and we're gonna dive into the new album. 00:16:01.389 --> 00:16:03.470 The new album is called Church. 00:16:03.710 --> 00:16:05.629 That's a little teaser for later. 00:16:05.949 --> 00:16:14.189 But let me uh I I know you have a son that's playing video games right now, and Taylor and I are big, big fans of video games. 00:16:14.350 --> 00:16:16.429 One franchise in particular. 00:16:16.750 --> 00:16:19.309 Marshmallow did an incredible collaboration. 00:16:19.549 --> 00:16:30.590 It says here, gotta rave them all, the EDM superstar Marshmallow teamed up with Pokemon for their night out event celebrating the franchise's 30th anniversary. 00:16:30.829 --> 00:16:50.350 October 24th, the show was in Los Angeles and featured Alice in Wonderland, massive Pokemon-themed visuals, lasers, a special DJ set, and the collaboration will be heading to London's O2 Arena on November 10th for one final show. 00:16:50.829 --> 00:16:54.669 Taylor, I doubt that you actually sat down and watched it, but I didn't know. 00:16:54.829 --> 00:16:56.429 It was two hours long. 00:16:56.669 --> 00:16:59.149 Yeah, yeah, it was incredible. 00:17:03.069 --> 00:17:03.389 Right? 00:17:04.430 --> 00:17:06.269 Two hours long. 00:17:06.590 --> 00:17:07.950 No, I didn't watch it. 00:17:08.110 --> 00:17:10.590 I I'll I'll I'll listen to a bit of it though. 00:17:10.910 --> 00:17:16.910 However, you guys formed in the 90s, so Pokemon came out in '99. 00:17:17.390 --> 00:17:21.470 Were any of you guys traveling around with Game Boys back in the day? 00:17:21.710 --> 00:17:26.990 Uh I was never a Pokemon fan. 00:17:27.230 --> 00:17:30.190 I mean, I grew up, you know, don't like picklebone, don't like Nick. 00:17:31.630 --> 00:17:34.190 I grew up, you know, NES. 00:17:36.509 --> 00:17:43.390 Atari 2600, and then you know, Nintendo NES and then Sony's Sony Sony PlayStation. 00:17:43.549 --> 00:17:46.670 But there was a certain point that I didn't

play anymore. 00:17:46.829 --> 00:17:47.549 So right. 00:17:48.029 --> 00:17:57.389 And then then my kids, then you know, when they started playing Xbox and Call of Duty and stuff, I started doing that to try to play with them, but I am not fast on that stuff. 00:17:57.470 --> 00:17:59.389 So it was like every five seconds dying. 00:17:59.549 --> 00:18:05.389 You know, like going, How can you guys run through this game and kill all these players? 00:18:05.549 --> 00:18:08.990 And I I dive every I die every five seconds. 00:18:09.069 --> 00:18:14.509 So I I haven't played in years, but my son downstairs he's he's constantly on Call of Duty. 00:18:14.670 --> 00:18:17.950 So he gets to every version, every every year. 00:18:18.829 --> 00:18:22.029 I was gonna say the the new one just came out, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 4. 00:18:22.349 --> 00:18:24.349 It's not right now, pre-ordered for months. 00:18:24.430 --> 00:18:29.069 He's got it couldn't wait for it to get here finally, what, last week? 00:18:31.230 --> 00:18:33.869 So, like I said, I am a diehard fan. 00:18:33.950 --> 00:18:38.109 I did watch the two-hour event, it was absolutely incredible. 00:18:38.430 --> 00:18:47.230 The stage presence and performance that Marshmallow put on, that just the effects and the and the oh yeah money invested in in the uh the stage and everything. 00:18:47.389 --> 00:18:49.389 It was it was really cool to see. 00:18:49.710 --> 00:19:09.549 But that proposed a bigger question that I wanted to ask you guys is if you guys had the opportunity to do a collaboration with like a major brand, do you guys collectively have like one franchise, one like IP that you guys are passionate about that you would like to see? 00:19:09.629 --> 00:19:20.509 Like, like for me, I think Pokemon's awesome, but I would love to collaborate with like maybe like a Mortal Kombat or something, you know, something a little more metal core. 00:19:21.629 --> 00:19:27.309 I don't I don't think what we do nowadays goes with any anything like that. 00:19:27.629 --> 00:19:28.829 So it's it's kind of tough. 00:19:28.990 --> 00:19:35.309 I don't have anything that comes to mind that I think you know our music right now could collaborate. 00:19:35.389 --> 00:19:45.069 But you know, back in the day, like like Bucky's and my band in in the 90s set up, you know, I'm sure there's plenty of stuff we had back then that could go go now. 00:19:45.150 --> 00:20:15.710 And then, you know, Bobby and I had a band in early 2000s that were probably were alternative rock bands that probably had stuff that could probably go with a video game or something, but I don't I don't think you know singing about l love and death and stuff and acoustically is gonna go in in with you know you wait, Matt, you mean to tell me a chocolate brand, maybe what it's tough chocolates, yeah, yeah. 00:20:16.589 --> 00:20:21.230 Commercial-wise, or something if you're talking about getting license for a commercial and stuff. 00:20:21.389

--> 00:20:28.029 I always thought our our track crap bring disappear on our second album, our first single. 00:20:28.190 --> 00:20:30.430 That would have been a great car commercial. 00:20:30.670 --> 00:20:31.789 You know, I could see that. 00:20:31.950 --> 00:20:41.950 I could see that on our first album, uh Ballad of a Friend or even you know, Smile that could have been on soundtracks to movies. 00:20:42.269 --> 00:20:43.549 Yeah, you know, yeah. 00:20:43.869 --> 00:20:48.029 I I think your music uh it would be fantastic as soundtracks to different movies. 00:20:48.190 --> 00:20:50.190 There, especially this new album, Church. 00:20:50.269 --> 00:20:55.470 Uh there's several movies that I think songs would would fit scenes really nicely. 00:20:55.869 --> 00:21:04.190 But but Matt, you mean to tell me you don't think that monster energy is gonna be calling you guys up to maybe like Jaegermeister? 00:21:04.509 --> 00:21:11.230 They they don't want crazy, they don't want weight playing in the background of a monster energy commercial, man. 00:21:11.549 --> 00:21:11.869 Come on, man. 00:21:12.190 --> 00:21:12.910 I don't know about that. 00:21:13.069 --> 00:21:14.349 Maybe death and me. 00:21:15.150 --> 00:21:15.950 There you go. 00:21:16.109 --> 00:21:16.990 There you go. 00:21:18.109 --> 00:21:29.710 So funny funny story, but back in this 90s band we keep referring to, Matt and I, we had this song, we'd never record it, but we we thought it would be uh we thought it'd be a great song to play at a hockey game. 00:21:29.950 --> 00:21:31.069 You know, I'm talking about Matt. 00:21:31.230 --> 00:21:32.190 Oh prize fighter. 00:21:32.430 --> 00:21:33.950 Prizefighter, yeah. 00:21:34.910 --> 00:21:36.990 Yeah, it was it was like a fight anthem. 00:21:37.150 --> 00:21:39.549 It was pretty hockey game or football game. 00:21:39.629 --> 00:21:47.789 It would yeah, definitely was had a very anthemic uh chorus and you know fight, and and that I mean a sample of like crowd cheering. 00:21:48.509 --> 00:21:50.269 You know, that's awesome. 00:21:50.349 --> 00:21:53.069 Yeah, that would have been that would have been good. 00:21:53.309 --> 00:21:56.109 Too bad we didn't have lawyers working for us back then. 00:21:58.829 --> 00:22:05.389 Speaking of you, you just brought up the the hockey experience and and mixing that with the fight thing. 00:22:05.549 --> 00:22:24.109 It reminded me, did you guys see the commercials for the new Rocky Balboa like documentary or or what do they call those biopics where it's the story it he's it's the story of him writing Rocky, yes, or not rock, not Rocky. 00:22:24.190 --> 00:22:27.710 I said Rocky Balboa, I meant like the Stallone, yeah. 00:22:28.190 --> 00:22:40.269 It's it's his biopic, and it's about him writing the movie Rocky and making the directors force him to play Rocky play Rocky, and he's like a really bad actor in the beginning, yeah. 00:22:41.629 --> 00:22:54.990 In the beginning, uh through the whole movie, but But also recently that Rocky has come up a lot recently in my life, and I keep telling people that that is a movie I hadn't seen it until last year. 00:22:55.150 --> 00:22:56.349 I had never seen it. 00:22:56.589 --> 00:23:01.789 And I watched it and I was like, yo, you could not make this movie today. 00:23:01.950 --> 00:23:05.549 There are things that are said in that movie that threw me for a loop. 00:23:05.629 --> 00:23:09.710 I was like, whoa, I didn't know we were ever allowed to say those things. 00:23:09.950 --> 00:23:11.950 Well, there's there's tons of movies that wouldn't. 00:23:12.190 --> 00:23:13.389 I was like past. 00:23:13.629 --> 00:23:13.789 Yeah. 00:23:14.269 --> 00:23:14.509 Yeah. 00:23:14.910 --> 00:23:20.829 A couple months ago, I think I was flipping around the TV in uh Revenge of the Nerds, the first movie. 00:23:21.789 --> 00:23:22.910 Oh, you never. 00:23:23.230 --> 00:23:25.389 Oh my god, you can't do that. 00:23:25.549 --> 00:23:28.349 That's isn't that you know this? 00:23:28.589 --> 00:23:29.309 Isn't that that? 00:23:29.470 --> 00:23:30.589 They didn't be arrested. 00:23:30.670 --> 00:23:31.470 There's no way. 00:23:31.869 --> 00:23:32.349 No way. 00:23:32.509 --> 00:23:32.829 Cancel. 00:23:33.629 --> 00:23:36.029 But back then it was like, oh, fun and games. 00:23:36.269 --> 00:23:37.150 Right, right. 00:23:37.629 --> 00:23:38.349 48 hours. 00:23:40.190 --> 00:23:41.150 48 hours, yeah. 00:23:41.549 --> 00:23:43.150 We can't, it's like it's crazy. 00:23:43.230 --> 00:23:43.869 Yeah. 00:23:44.190 --> 00:23:50.430 Harley, did you since you're into Rocky, uh you're gonna run the you're gonna run the Rocky steps at the uh art museum in Philly? 00:23:50.670 --> 00:23:51.389 Uh you know what? 00:23:51.470 --> 00:23:51.869 I might. 00:23:52.029 --> 00:23:52.589 I might. 00:23:52.829 --> 00:23:55.549 Uh as you guys can tell, I am a big runner. 00:23:55.710 --> 00:23:58.109 It's like it's on his 2026 bingo bird. 00:23:59.789 --> 00:24:01.549 I'm I'm right here with you. 00:24:03.309 --> 00:24:07.629 Yes, uh wellness and fitness are my are my two big things over here. 00:24:10.029 --> 00:24:13.549 But I would like to go walk up the steps, that would be fun. 00:24:13.950 --> 00:24:15.549 I've I've only been to Philly once. 00:24:15.629 --> 00:24:18.269 I would like to do the Rocky statues there, so yeah. 00:24:19.389 --> 00:24:19.869 Yeah, yeah. 00:24:20.109 --> 00:24:23.069 And and I could do it holding a cheese stick, so that's pretty cool. 00:24:23.950 --> 00:24:25.150 I've never seen Rocky. 00:24:25.230 --> 00:24:26.349 Do I need to watch it? 00:24:26.589 --> 00:24:27.789 You should watch Rocky. 00:24:28.029 --> 00:24:29.869 Actually, I can send you like five scenes. 00:24:29.950 --> 00:24:31.069 You don't need to watch the whole movie. 00:24:31.309 --> 00:24:33.710 I can send you five scenes to pretty much yeah. 00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:36.430 Well, there's a guy and he fights another guy. 00:24:36.670 --> 00:24:38.109 Yes,

there you go. 00:24:38.269 --> 00:24:39.069 You saw it. 00:24:39.389 --> 00:24:40.990 Yeah, all five of them. 00:24:41.230 --> 00:24:45.629 And and one of them is Sylvester Stallone, and he has a hard time with the English language. 00:24:45.950 --> 00:24:46.589 Yes. 00:24:48.910 --> 00:24:51.069 Well, let's dive into this interview, guys. 00:25:46.689 --> 00:25:49.009 Uh, we are here to talk about you, right? 00:25:49.970 --> 00:25:56.849 So the first thing I want to talk to you guys about is you have been in the industry for a very, very long time. 00:25:57.329 --> 00:26:04.609 And I'd like to know how has the last 30 years and seeing the scenes shift. 00:26:05.089 --> 00:26:05.490 Yeah, I know. 00:26:05.569 --> 00:26:06.689 I keep aging you guys, right? 00:26:08.529 --> 00:26:10.369 But it's been 30 years. 00:26:10.689 --> 00:26:12.689 You have seen no no, 24. 00:26:13.970 --> 00:26:22.769 You have seen the the shift in the shift in different like music scenes, especially in rock music. 00:26:23.089 --> 00:26:27.490 Like we have gone through so many changes over those years. 00:26:27.649 --> 00:26:31.649 How has that influenced where you guys have ended up today? 00:26:34.450 --> 00:26:34.929 Yeah. 00:26:35.169 --> 00:26:44.849 I remember I remember Matt when we were trying to get signed with Seta, and we kept getting these messages at the time, what was that? 00:26:45.490 --> 00:26:47.250 Mid 90s, I guess, early 90s. 00:26:47.490 --> 00:26:54.049 We kept getting these messages that you're not hard enough because the new metal was breaking, right? 00:26:54.289 --> 00:27:03.250 And you're too hard for what was also breaking, which was the stuff and uh yeah, and the Matchbox 20 and stuff like that. 00:27:03.329 --> 00:27:17.089 So we were in this zone that just didn't like fit, and that was like the theme of many of our or several of our rejections, and you know, it's frustrating because you're trying to be also be original and not like fold to one, you know, lean to one side or the other. 00:27:17.250 --> 00:27:18.929 But I don't know. 00:27:19.009 --> 00:27:24.369 I mean, I think I think for me, I think it's a it's it's so many. 00:27:24.450 --> 00:27:39.970 I mean, because of the longevity that you mentioned, Arlie, there's so many musical influences that I feel is is kind of in the fusion of what we do, whether it's you know in the in the musical style or it's or in the themes that you know in the style that Matt sings in. 00:27:40.129 --> 00:27:50.129 So so I think like I feel like even though you could say, hey, it sounds a little bit post-grungy, acoustic-y, folky, but like it's hard to like put a label stamp on it, you know. 00:27:50.369 --> 00:27:52.529 When people ask, like, hey, what do you guys sound like? 00:27:52.689 --> 00:27:55.649 It's like it's always the hardest question to answer. 00:27:55.889 --> 00:27:56.369 Yeah, definitely. 00:27:56.769 --> 00:27:58.929 Well, uh, you know, who do you who do you listen to? 00:27:59.089 -->

00:28:01.409 Maybe we can say we're close to this, we're close to that. 00:28:01.490 --> 00:28:04.529 So yeah, well, so oh, go ahead. 00:28:04.689 --> 00:28:27.970 I was gonna say with the each of the albums that have come out, I I've sent to people and go, Hey, listen to this, and could you throw out names of other acts that are current that we would fit in with, or sound like, or genre like, and and you'd get back no response, or just be like, I don't know, you know, and it's just like just give me something. 00:28:28.369 --> 00:28:29.250 Give us one. 00:28:29.889 --> 00:28:39.169 Well, for for me, like when I listened to church specifically, and and hold on, because I have it written down here, yeah, death and me. 00:28:39.649 --> 00:29:01.250 This this will lead into that question, but but for me, specifically death and me, I really, really heard a lot of 90s influence, and and it was a combination of I would say like like dishuala vertical horizon type, but then you also in that specific song brought in. 00:29:01.409 --> 00:29:04.609 Do you guys remember Seven Bridges Road by the Eagles? 00:29:05.169 --> 00:29:21.730 Like you're you're no, so well, so they have this song called Seven Bridges Road, and your harmonies in that song reminded me a ton of like those earlier Eagles harmonies with like the 90s grunge kind of persona singing. 00:29:22.049 --> 00:29:24.689 Like those 90s, yeah. 00:29:25.490 --> 00:29:30.450 Um I could do like five seconds and then we gotta shut the show down. 00:29:31.809 --> 00:29:59.409 But um, I do think that like there's there's this really cool thing that you guys are doing where you guys are this acoustic trio and and you have this very, very eagles style because they were really known for a lot of their more soft and and harmonic and and melodic tunes, but you also have this 90s instrumental influence that you can clearly pinpoint and hear in the songs, yeah. 00:29:59.569 --> 00:30:02.369 So I I thought that was like really really cool. 00:30:02.529 --> 00:30:34.929 Uh but as far as like the the changes over the years, like the 90s, you saw a lot of the the goo-goo dolls and and matchbox 20 and hootie and all of those bands, but you also had bands like the Toadies and The Butthole Surfers and uh uh drawing blanks right at the moment, Silverstein and and other, you know, a handful of bands that I would say that are not necessarily new metal, but like they're in between, you know what I mean? 00:30:35.009 --> 00:30:36.049 I think there was a place. 00:30:36.129 --> 00:31:00.129 I just it sucks because uh the industry was so uh heavily structured around labels then, and and I feel like now things are just so different that you guys have an opportunity to to grow and prosper and and be what you guys intended to be with a new outlook and a new influence. 00:31:00.210 --> 00:31:08.210 Because I do love the acoustic stuff and I do love the the like I said, the harmonies and stuff of all of you singing together. 00:31:08.369 --> 00:31:09.970 I think that's a really cool thing. 00:31:10.289 --> 00:31:30.929 So I I sorry, I got lost in my own in my own phrasings there, but I mean I think one one thing uh that comes to mind for me is that when when we formed Ghosts, yeah, this was this was an intentional effort to be to sound and be different than what we had been before. 00:31:31.169 --> 00:31:36.609 And and the material, as you can tell, is is a lot different than come the much earlier stuff. 00:31:36.769 --> 00:32:01.649 And and but it was it was also an exploration, you know, because it was it was you know coming up with you know riffs and ideas and what you know we call these little micro tracks, you know, and recording on the phone and sending it to Matt, and Matt put uh you know a lyric over it and sending it back, and then we build it into a song and and so forth, but it was always in this kind of acoustic-y, folky approach, which was never the approach before. 00:32:01.889 --> 00:32:09.169 The approach before was just you know, turn it up, crank the distortion, make it as loud as possible, you know, and the more feedback the better. 00:32:09.329 --> 00:32:13.970 So it stripped it stripped things down to a like a purity level, you know. 00:32:14.049 --> 00:32:22.450 Um I remember doing early shows with Matt where it's just me and Matt, an acoustic guitar and a vocal and uh, you know, on a stage. 00:32:22.609 --> 00:32:28.929 You talk about like exposing yourself, you know, to like the purest element. 00:32:29.169 --> 00:32:31.169 So you can't you can't really hide behind that. 00:32:31.250 --> 00:32:35.409 You don't have a distortion pedal to hide behind, you don't have like a full, you know, band to hide behind. 00:32:35.490 --> 00:32:43.490 And right I think there's that interesting kind of purity in this kind of style of music that we're doing that it resonates for me. 00:32:43.809 --> 00:32:44.769 Yeah, yeah. 00:32:45.730 --> 00:33:04.849 And for me too, it was just, you know, when Bucky started sending me these tracks, somewhere had little country twinge to them or Americana, and it's like you know, it's it wasn't something I thought ever thought about doing, but it's not it wasn't far from a lot of stuff that I I'd listened to over the years, you know. 00:33:05.169 --> 00:33:25.730 Um so it was just like, okay, you know, I could but I I'd also hear like things in the songs that reminded me of you know, alternative bands that you know I'd listened to over the years and stuff like on our first album, Smile, when I when I wrote that, I totally had Dinosaur Jr. 00:33:25.889 --> 00:33:26.529 Yeah in my mind. 00:33:26.849 --> 00:33:27.329 Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:33:27.569 --> 00:33:32.129 I'd be like, oh, this is so cool if J Massis could sing this and you know, do this song. 00:33:32.210 --> 00:33:38.849 And and just the way I I think I phrased some of the wording and stuff, I I, you know, was influenced by him. 00:33:38.929 --> 00:33:48.769 And you

know, even lyrics to songs, I kind of put in little Easter eggs like for things to other bands or something that I've listened to over the years. 00:33:48.849 --> 00:33:54.210 So I'm not gonna point them out, but you know, here um you'll have to write somebody like check. 00:33:54.929 --> 00:33:55.490 That's right. 00:33:56.369 --> 00:34:00.929 I might be in your copyright shoes, but um don't worry, man. 00:34:01.009 --> 00:34:01.730 We're lawyered up. 00:34:01.809 --> 00:34:02.609 We we're good. 00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:10.929 One of our songs uh when me and Bucky aren't set up in the 90s, we had a song that I I sang in at the bridge. 00:34:11.090 --> 00:34:14.530 I sang A Spoonful of Sugar Makes the Medicine Go Down. 00:34:14.690 --> 00:34:21.889 Yeah, you know, it was a it was a you know a song about a you know being on drugs and stuff, you know. 00:34:22.050 --> 00:34:25.329 And I was just like, I wonder if we're ever gonna get sued for this. 00:34:25.730 --> 00:34:27.250 Well, Mary Poppins, yeah. 00:34:27.409 --> 00:34:27.730 Yeah. 00:34:30.130 --> 00:34:33.409 It never happened, but I don't know how many people listen to that album. 00:34:33.490 --> 00:34:36.130 So do we think Mary Poppins was on drugs? 00:34:36.530 --> 00:34:37.329 Quick pull. 00:34:37.570 --> 00:34:39.409 Ooh, good question. 00:34:39.570 --> 00:34:40.289 I think so. 00:34:40.610 --> 00:34:42.769 Somebody in that production was somebody in that production. 00:34:43.250 --> 00:34:47.090 I was gonna say, are we talking about the actress or are we talking about the character? 00:34:47.250 --> 00:34:52.210 The character, the character, the character, probably probably right. 00:34:53.329 --> 00:34:56.849 Yeah, she's the one that comes down on like a like an umbrella, right? 00:34:56.929 --> 00:35:02.530 Yep, yeah, definitely the whole time that she's just dripping, dripping deliberately, dude. 00:35:03.970 --> 00:35:04.850 Yeah, I don't know. 00:35:05.250 --> 00:35:07.490 Also crazy that they just left their kids. 00:35:07.650 --> 00:35:11.970 Like, I dude, I have a two-year-old, so child care, I understand it's hard, man. 00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:21.090 Like sometimes you just gotta make choices, and thinking about Mary Poppins now, this woman just comes out of the sky, and you're just like, Yeah, sure, it is too hard. 00:35:21.650 --> 00:35:23.330 Like a godsend though, right? 00:35:23.490 --> 00:35:28.850 If you if you need child care and then like a nanny just comes down with an umbrella from the sky. 00:35:28.930 --> 00:35:29.810 I mean, come on. 00:35:30.050 --> 00:35:34.930 I literally just we so we just just did this whole thing with my son where we're trying to find daycares, right? 00:35:35.090 --> 00:35:38.210 And and one of the in-home daycares, the lady's never gonna listen. 00:35:38.290 --> 00:35:43.970 I'm not gonna say her name or anything, but the one of the in-home daycares, Taylor knows this story. 00:35:44.130 --> 00:35:48.290 I get in there and I'm looking at

the facility, and it's this very, very small room. 00:35:48.370 --> 00:35:50.450 And I'm like, okay, this is the playroom, right? 00:35:50.610 --> 00:35:52.289 Where do the kids nap? 00:35:52.450 --> 00:35:53.490 Where's like the nap room? 00:35:53.570 --> 00:35:55.010 And she goes, Oh no, it's here. 00:35:55.170 --> 00:35:59.410 And I was like, Where are the beds? 00:35:59.650 --> 00:36:11.650 And she was like, Well, you send them with a blanket, and I have this pack and play, he can sleep in there, or I have these little like bouncy chairs for like babies. 00:36:12.050 --> 00:36:17.410 And I was like, Well, he's two and he's three and a half feet tall, so the chair's not an option. 00:36:17.570 --> 00:36:19.330 And I was like, How many kids do you guys have? 00:36:19.490 --> 00:36:20.690 And she was like, 11. 00:36:20.850 --> 00:36:33.330 And I was like, I can't fit four of me in this room standing, and you're you have 11 children sleeping in either one pack and play or on the floor, clearly. 00:36:33.490 --> 00:36:36.450 Like, yeah, they're they're putting those babies on the floor. 00:36:36.530 --> 00:36:37.730 It's crazy to me. 00:36:38.130 --> 00:36:44.289 But the bad part was the bad part was if she was in my top three choices. 00:36:45.330 --> 00:36:47.970 Because you're like, well, I mean, the price though. 00:36:48.130 --> 00:36:50.530 Yeah, he'll be all right, he'll be all right on the floor. 00:36:50.850 --> 00:36:52.850 I mean, I'd send the kids with a yoga mat. 00:36:52.930 --> 00:36:55.090 I'd be less upset if they were sleeping on a yoga mat. 00:36:55.330 --> 00:36:57.650 Ain't no way we were fitting yoga mats in there, dude. 00:36:58.210 --> 00:37:03.809 I don't want to date myself, but when I was in kindergarten, they'd send you with this called a sleep mat. 00:37:04.210 --> 00:37:07.410 Yes, because you'd have nap time in the middle of the day in the kindergarten. 00:37:07.650 --> 00:37:07.809 Yeah. 00:37:07.970 --> 00:37:08.930 Oh, same thing. 00:37:09.570 --> 00:37:10.930 So yeah. 00:37:11.090 --> 00:37:13.090 When did nap time stop, by the way? 00:37:13.330 --> 00:37:14.130 Can we bring that back? 00:37:14.289 --> 00:37:15.250 We gotta bring it back. 00:37:15.970 --> 00:37:20.930 I think I think once you hit 30, you should be allowed to get nap time again. 00:37:21.890 --> 00:37:26.289 Like one hour during the workday just to refresh. 00:37:27.570 --> 00:37:29.570 Unfortunately, I think they call it lunchtime. 00:37:29.650 --> 00:37:31.410 But yeah, yeah, it's like eat or nap. 00:37:31.650 --> 00:37:32.210 You choose. 00:37:32.769 --> 00:37:33.809 Yeah, you choose. 00:37:34.050 --> 00:37:35.890 Either way, we're gonna take it. 00:37:36.050 --> 00:37:38.370 Either way, we're gonna need you to be productive. 00:37:38.610 --> 00:37:40.130 What is it in Spain? 00:37:40.210 --> 00:37:41.730 Don't they have siestas or something like that? 00:37:41.809 --> 00:37:43.250 When in the middle of the day, you can go take it. 00:37:43.490

--> 00:37:43.730 Yeah, yeah. 00:37:44.050 --> 00:37:45.809 Isn't that like a four-hour thing too? 00:37:45.890 --> 00:37:47.330 They're like, Yeah, you just go home. 00:37:47.490 --> 00:37:51.970 I think there's I think like halfway through the day, they're like, You go home, come on back when you're ready. 00:37:52.130 --> 00:37:52.930 We got you. 00:37:53.170 --> 00:37:54.850 I think we're left drink, too. 00:37:55.410 --> 00:37:57.170 Coming back's gotta be the hard part. 00:37:57.410 --> 00:37:57.730 Yes. 00:37:58.450 --> 00:37:59.090 I don't know, man. 00:37:59.250 --> 00:38:06.690 If if my employer told me that I could go home in the middle of the day, do whatever I need to do, just come back, I would probably be amped to come back. 00:38:06.930 --> 00:38:17.090 Honestly, if you were like, hey, at 11, go ahead, cut out for like four hours, do what you need during the day, and then come back this evening, I'd be like, dude, sold. 00:38:17.170 --> 00:38:18.289 I will be there. 00:38:18.530 --> 00:38:19.890 Yeah, yeah. 00:38:20.370 --> 00:38:23.490 Anyway, sorry, back to back to the questions. 00:38:24.610 --> 00:38:36.370 If Rome Like Ghosts had to become a wedding cover band, what is the one wedding cover song you would refuse to play? 00:38:36.530 --> 00:38:37.650 Everybody's got theirs. 00:38:37.809 --> 00:38:39.010 Mine's Freebird. 00:38:39.170 --> 00:38:43.250 If you ask me to play Freebird, I will pack my guitar up and leave. 00:38:43.490 --> 00:38:46.530 You mean any song for okay, yeah. 00:38:49.730 --> 00:38:55.970 Well, I haven't I haven't done a lot of covers, so Bobby and I were in his dad's cover band for a while. 00:38:56.289 --> 00:39:03.970 And all the covers we picked were songs that we wanted to do, so I can't I can't think of uh I'm thinking of Matt. 00:39:04.050 --> 00:39:09.490 I'm thinking of the cover requests from the uh the the drunk crew of people at our last show. 00:39:09.809 --> 00:39:15.570 Remember, they kept coming up saying and then I kept playing the rift to it every now and then, and they were getting all wound up. 00:39:15.809 --> 00:39:17.170 You know what I'm talking about? 00:39:17.570 --> 00:39:19.330 Vaguely, I vaguely remember. 00:39:19.570 --> 00:39:20.930 Sweet home Alabama. 00:39:21.970 --> 00:39:25.490 It's like, yes, yes, do you know it? 00:39:25.730 --> 00:39:28.450 We're like, yeah, of course you know it, right? 00:39:28.530 --> 00:39:33.090 Because it's like a staple, but like we don't play it, and then they then they like didn't believe we knew it. 00:39:33.170 --> 00:39:42.289 So then I like played the riff, and then you know, they react because they think you know it's yeah, you gotta mess with them sometimes, but you you blue balls an entire group of people. 00:39:42.370 --> 00:39:43.170 That's so funny. 00:39:44.289 --> 00:39:49.490 Yeah, just a bunch of drunk bros, like, oh, and then you just like nah. 00:39:49.890 --> 00:39:51.490 We're not going there, yeah. 00:39:51.890 --> 00:39:53.250 Yeah, that's a great one. 00:39:53.330 --> 00:39:55.170 Sweet home about Alabama is a great one. 00:39:55.330 --> 00:39:56.530 Freebird for me. 00:39:56.850 --> 00:40:02.370 I think there's there's another one that like every time I would play, oh, Thunderstruck. 00:40:02.610 --> 00:40:08.130 Every time I would play somebody, it was either Thunderstruck or the Van Halen one eruption. 00:40:08.370 --> 00:40:08.610 Okay. 00:40:08.769 --> 00:40:11.330 That was I always hated when people would be like, Can you play? 00:40:11.490 --> 00:40:11.970 Can you play this? 00:40:12.050 --> 00:40:12.610 Can you play that? 00:40:12.690 --> 00:40:23.010 It's it's really annoying as a musician when like you have your set and you're like, dude, I've been practicing these 35 songs for weeks, and you just come up here and you're like, Well, what about this one? 00:40:23.170 --> 00:40:25.490 Yeah, the one you like you don't have in your arsenal. 00:40:25.809 --> 00:40:26.450 Yeah. 00:40:27.490 --> 00:40:30.450 We've had like, I don't know, it's actually an interesting thing. 00:40:30.610 --> 00:40:41.410 We've had we've had interesting cover requests out besides the drunks with the sweet home Alabamas, which I think probably speaks to how people are receiving our music, right? 00:40:41.570 --> 00:40:45.890 So, like Matt, at the one show with the dude that came up was like, Can you play Outshine? 00:40:45.970 --> 00:40:48.289 by that's like good, right? 00:40:48.530 --> 00:40:54.289 Yeah, you know, and then the the dude that came up at the music festival asked if we knew Screaming Trees. 00:40:54.450 --> 00:40:57.570 Yeah, the Screaming Trees, which is a cover that we actually do. 00:40:57.730 --> 00:41:01.090 We just haven't done it forever, so yeah, we didn't own up to it. 00:41:01.170 --> 00:41:05.170 But so you you you start to wonder, like, are they hearing something there? 00:41:05.490 --> 00:41:05.650 Right. 00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:11.490 Yeah, they're they're hearing some 90s stuff, or or they're just drunk and nostalgic on 90s stuff. 00:41:11.570 --> 00:41:16.690 I have no idea, but yeah I I do like when somebody brings like an interesting cover choice. 00:41:17.010 --> 00:41:17.650 Yeah. 00:41:18.530 --> 00:41:19.410 We have one. 00:41:20.690 --> 00:41:21.330 Do you? 00:41:21.490 --> 00:41:22.130 Yeah. 00:41:23.250 --> 00:41:23.570 Yeah. 00:41:23.809 --> 00:41:25.570 You want to tell them about it, Matt? 00:41:28.370 --> 00:41:36.289 The one that people, the one that people think starts to sound a little bit like Metallica, but then uh breaks into a little RB. 00:41:37.730 --> 00:41:39.650 Yeah, we do we do Billy Jean. 00:41:40.130 --> 00:41:43.570 No we do it slow and acoustic. 00:41:43.890 --> 00:41:49.490 It's similar to the Chris Cornell version, but it doesn't sound like him, but yeah, like us. 00:41:49.890 --> 00:41:56.130 But yeah, when Bucky starts playing it, I kind of want to start singing what uh is it Unforgiven by Metallica?

00:41:56.370 --> 00:41:58.370 Because it sounds like that pace. 00:41:58.769 --> 00:42:00.130 Almost the same notes, yeah. 00:42:00.210 --> 00:42:09.570 Yeah, so I'd I'd love to like just do like a verse of that before when we start playing it and then go into Billy Jean, it it would be cool. 00:42:09.730 --> 00:42:12.289 But I saw, I'm sure you guys have heard of them. 00:42:12.450 --> 00:42:13.650 They're called Woe. 00:42:13.890 --> 00:42:26.289 They're a big like Virginia 90s cover band, but I saw them one evening and they did a a mashup of Inner Sandman and Alice and Chains. 00:42:26.530 --> 00:42:27.170 What song was it? 00:42:27.490 --> 00:42:30.050 Not not Rooster, yeah, Man in a Box, yeah, yeah. 00:42:30.289 --> 00:42:37.730 They did a mashup of those two, and I was like, oh dude, I never would have thought of putting those two songs together, and it was awesome. 00:42:38.050 --> 00:42:40.210 Similar BPM, that's what makes it work, right? 00:42:40.370 --> 00:42:41.330 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:42:42.370 --> 00:42:43.730 Yeah, that's cool. 00:42:44.769 --> 00:42:50.289 So let's discuss the new album Church. 00:42:50.450 --> 00:43:03.650 Okay, I do want to talk about the lyrics because we've had a great time tonight, but you guys write some real heavy depressing shit. 00:43:04.050 --> 00:43:05.010 Thank you. 00:43:05.890 --> 00:43:08.130 I pride myself on that, yeah. 00:43:08.450 --> 00:43:09.490 You nailed it, man. 00:43:09.570 --> 00:43:10.289 You nailed it. 00:43:10.530 --> 00:43:14.130 The the weight changed my afternoon when I heard it. 00:43:14.370 --> 00:43:18.610 Yeah, I had to like re- I was I listened to it on my way home. 00:43:18.769 --> 00:43:28.930 I was already going through like a depressive episode, and then I put that on because I was doing some research and I was like, fuck, I picked the wrong song for this drama. 00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:35.650 So if you could tell me a little bit about well, I guess let me let me tell you what it was for me. 00:43:35.809 --> 00:43:52.690 Yeah, I think I even told Taylor on the phone recently when we were having a discussion about depression about like the weight of everything, like just just feeling like the world puts so much weight on your shoulders, and and you want to be a provider and you want to be able to handle everything. 00:43:52.930 --> 00:43:57.410 So you just keep carrying it and carrying it and saying, like, yeah, I got this, I can hold this. 00:43:57.570 --> 00:44:01.010 There's there's a a very famous um book. 00:44:01.170 --> 00:44:08.769 I I don't remember the book, but like the Atlas Shrugs basically of like Atlas is holding up the weight of the world, and then he shrugs and it falls off his shoulders. 00:44:09.090 --> 00:44:13.010 Is that kind of the the lyrics in a nutshell? 00:44:13.250 --> 00:44:22.850 It it's kind of that way, but when I wrote it, my dad had passed away and he he passed away from dementia and and heart attack and stuff like that. 00:44:23.010 -->

00:44:30.289 And and I I always when I write, I kind of think of a story or something to write about. 00:44:30.530 --> 00:44:51.890 And then, you know, when I was writing it, I I it's kind of based on how at the end of life, his life, you know, he was just too tired to do anything, he couldn't go on, you know, and and it was the like you said, the weight of everything that just pulled him down that you know it it's nothing, it's something he couldn't come back from. 00:44:52.130 --> 00:44:59.570 And so, you know, if you if you you know, at the very the the end of the song where he says, you know, you know, I did my best and I loved you all. 00:44:59.730 --> 00:45:03.410 So dude, that that hit me so hard that day. 00:45:03.650 --> 00:45:06.930 I I kid you not, I I balled like a baby in my driveway. 00:45:07.410 --> 00:45:33.490 Like it was like the it was the thing that I needed to hear because it was the words that I needed to get out myself, but I understood like the gravitas of it, you know, and and like like yeah, that that is like I didn't realize that story behind it, but for me as somebody that was dealing with some really, really deep depression stuff, it was that that like final note, basically, you know what I mean? 00:45:33.809 --> 00:45:36.210 So, like, yeah, it hit it hit hard, man. 00:45:38.210 --> 00:45:38.850 Yeah. 00:45:39.250 --> 00:45:41.170 I also want to say that so. 00:45:41.809 --> 00:45:45.010 Hard to say goodbye is my favorite song from the album. 00:45:45.570 --> 00:45:46.289 Thanks. 00:45:46.930 --> 00:45:49.490 That's another song about losing somebody. 00:45:49.809 --> 00:45:53.570 Oh that one for me was more instrumental. 00:45:53.809 --> 00:45:58.210 Like I just think that like instrumentally that song just kicks ass. 00:45:58.530 --> 00:45:59.490 I don't know how I'll say it. 00:45:59.809 --> 00:46:02.210 It's like the most kick-ass song on the album. 00:46:03.090 --> 00:46:10.210 How did you guys decide instrumentally how you were gonna like kind of carry this album? 00:46:10.370 --> 00:46:19.730 Because it does change rapidly from the beginning from Death and Me to I I forget what the final track is right now, so I do apologize. 00:46:19.890 --> 00:46:35.010 But like the transition melodically and instrumentally and everything, like they're all vastly different, and and it does kind of carry this, like kind of like you said, like a story throughout of like just such a change in emotion throughout, you know? 00:46:35.809 --> 00:46:38.930 So how did how did you guys kind of approach that process? 00:46:40.370 --> 00:46:47.410 I I think we try to with music and stuff, we try to, you know, it's always different things and different influences. 00:46:47.570 --> 00:47:04.690 And then then when it comes to me writing something, I just it's what I feel at the time goes with that music that Bucky presents, you know, and then it's then when we get those pieces together, then we go, okay, what else do you hear in this? 00:47:04.850 --> 00:47:33.250 You know, like we've got uh hasta luego, and it's just like dude, it'd be cool to like have a Spanish trumpet and in that you know, like loungy background, and the the songs about just your life's mundane and you're looking for something to like give it some purpose, you know, and it's yeah, it's it's just that you know, like like I said, so hard to say goodbye, it's like lose somebody. 00:47:33.330 --> 00:47:41.570 So, you know, you got those you got the ham and organ in there, yeah that you know really hits you along with everything else. 00:47:42.210 --> 00:47:46.850 And yeah, it's just it's just crazy how each song is sound different. 00:47:47.490 --> 00:48:02.769 Definitely sounds different, but it I guess that's why people find it hard to to to say, oh you sound like this, because not every sound fits a certain genre you know, or or the all the sounds to songs together don't fit a certain genre. 00:48:02.850 --> 00:48:04.769 We've we're all over the place. 00:48:05.330 --> 00:48:07.410 But then that's what makes it us. 00:48:08.050 --> 00:48:11.170 That actually leads me into my next two questions for you. 00:48:11.330 --> 00:48:23.410 Number one, like we've talked about throughout this interview, comparing the collection of your music, the first three albums you guys have done, each album vastly different than the other, right? 00:48:24.130 --> 00:48:27.170 This one vastly different within the album. 00:48:27.490 --> 00:48:33.970 Do you find that because of how do I want to put this? 00:48:34.130 --> 00:48:43.809 As an artist, we want artists to do the art that they love and not try and fit into our box, right? 00:48:44.370 --> 00:48:50.930 You want to make the art that you're proud of, and it doesn't need to be for anybody else but you. 00:48:51.809 --> 00:48:54.690 But at the same time, this is an industry. 00:48:55.010 --> 00:49:07.010 So do you find the lack of cohesiveness within this album making it difficult to transcend with the industry? 00:49:10.050 --> 00:49:11.570 That's a good question. 00:49:12.530 --> 00:49:16.050 I mean, I think for me, I don't even think about the industry. 00:49:16.530 --> 00:49:19.490 I I I don't really care about it, to be honest with you. 00:49:19.650 --> 00:49:26.610 I think we try to just make music that is important to us, you know, and tells our story and reflects our art. 00:49:26.690 --> 00:49:28.850 You know, that's that's how I approach it. 00:49:29.090 --> 00:49:33.650 I mean, we're obviously not doing like crazy experimental stuff that has no structure. 00:49:33.730 --> 00:49:37.090 I can't translate because that's not who we are either. 00:49:37.330 --> 00:49:55.010 But but you know, when we when we go into record though, I think we we that's when kind of the industry context comes in a little bit for us, you know, because you know, we you know, we wanna, I mean, we've evolved and we said, okay, we're not doing seven-minute songs anymore, you know, and and

things like that. 00:49:55.090 --> 00:50:08.610 And you know, we want to make sure we have, you know, the good hook and and and our engineer, you know, gives us a bunch of shit all the time about, you know, don't bore us, get to the chorus, and things like that that are like principles that we've used over the last three albums. 00:50:08.930 --> 00:50:15.490 And but like I for me, I don't think industry, I don't think like, you know, we've got to write it this way to sell it this way. 00:50:15.650 --> 00:50:21.650 We don't need to sound like nickelback, sorry, Taylor, uh break through, you know. 00:50:21.890 --> 00:50:23.330 I want us to be me, right? 00:50:23.570 --> 00:50:25.010 I want us to be us, right? 00:50:25.090 --> 00:50:44.210 You know, and and uh and I think we put a lot of we put a lot of energy and creativity into our studio productions, you know, because we we think that that takes stuff to the next level of what we're trying to express, not necessarily to get it on the radio, but to like lift the expression, you know, for right for it. 00:50:44.289 --> 00:50:49.410 So that that's how I view it, but I'm not sure what the other guys care more about the industry than I do. 00:50:49.970 --> 00:50:52.930 Yeah, Bucky, I think like we have to talk about the writing process a little bit. 00:50:53.010 --> 00:50:57.890 So, like when we start out with the song, Bucky will have a little idea on guitar and then you know show it to us. 00:50:57.970 --> 00:51:03.010 Matt and I'll kind of build off of it, try and create a hook or whatever we can do, add harmonies, whatever needs to be done. 00:51:03.170 --> 00:51:09.650 And we're not really trying to make sure everything has the same sound, we're kind of just trying to make sure that whatever we have out there is the best version of what it could be. 00:51:09.809 --> 00:51:19.090 Yeah, like Bucky said, once we get with the engineer, we start building on that, we start adding layers, like, oh, organ would sound great here, and then our engineers, like, oh, I know a guy, and then we kind of just go from there. 00:51:19.330 --> 00:51:19.970 Yeah, yeah. 00:51:20.289 --> 00:51:33.250 I I do think about the industries to a certain extent because I'm not looking to like go on tour and sell at arenas or anything like that. 00:51:33.410 --> 00:51:56.610 I'm looking more at the business of it of getting licensed, you know, getting in getting in a commercial, getting in a in a video game if if necessary, or you know, in a movie and stuff, because those are the paydays, you know, that that and once people start hearing that in a movie, they're gonna go, then they'll flock to to get your stuff because they're like, Oh, wow, did you hear that? 00:51:56.769 --> 00:52:00.690 Or if they see it in a series that's on like every week or something like that. 00:52:00.930 --> 00:52:11.809 You know, I think of it in that way because you know, I I'm at the age now where I I'm not young and sprid that where I want to just

drop everything and go on tour or something like that. 00:52:12.690 --> 00:52:13.010 Yeah. 00:52:13.250 --> 00:52:19.570 So I mean, it would be nice to have shows that you know you have a full house of people come to see you. 00:52:19.890 --> 00:52:21.570 But um, absolutely. 00:52:21.809 --> 00:52:33.490 But yeah, I I I think of it more as like, hey, let's get streaming, get let's, you know, like a lot of people are doing it because of the because that's the industry nowadays, streaming and and all that stuff. 00:52:33.570 --> 00:52:57.890 But so it's just like when the album comes out, I I'm constantly, you know, pushing it to playlists and doing the marketing and stuff for it, you know, and advertising for it so people go play the album and we get the streams and get on other people's playlists and stuff like that, rather than hey, I need to go play this live somewhere and be fit this, fit this mold or do this. 00:52:58.210 --> 00:53:01.250 But yeah, that's that's the the part of the industry I think about. 00:53:01.570 --> 00:53:03.410 But the industry is so saturated, man. 00:53:03.490 --> 00:53:06.370 I mean, it's just yes, it's just out of control. 00:53:06.530 --> 00:53:11.650 You know, Matt does a really good job of uh putting our shit out there and and trying to find spaces for it. 00:53:11.730 --> 00:53:14.610 But it's just like it's like throwing a pebble into the ocean, man. 00:53:14.690 --> 00:53:16.769 It's just like it's it's absolutely crazy. 00:53:17.090 --> 00:53:24.850 But Harley, to hear that the weight touched you the way that it touched you, man, that makes all the difference to to me. 00:53:24.930 --> 00:53:36.610 And uh definitely, you know, I mean, like, you know, that that takes this art expression to another level, meaning that it is actually reaching people in a you know in a in a particular moment. 00:53:36.769 --> 00:53:42.050 I take that over, you know, the song being played on a local college radio station any day, you know. 00:53:42.370 --> 00:53:42.610 Right. 00:53:42.850 --> 00:53:44.050 Any fucking day. 00:53:44.130 --> 00:53:44.370 Yeah. 00:53:44.610 --> 00:53:44.850 Yeah. 00:53:45.090 --> 00:53:47.570 I don't think people are gonna sing the weight at hockey games. 00:53:50.769 --> 00:53:55.090 Well, I it it is one of those things where like, you know, even with our podcast, right? 00:53:55.250 --> 00:54:07.250 Like you we we constantly have to look at our audience, look at you know, we're we're putting up various things every week, so we have to look at it and say, oh, well, they like when we're more like this. 00:54:07.650 --> 00:54:17.809 Do we do we kind of do more of that and sacrifice what we originally wanted to be, or do we continue doing what we want to be and hope that it finds the right people? 00:54:18.130 --> 00:54:20.289 So it's for nobody, yeah. 00:54:20.370 --> 00:54:20.610 That's right. 00:54:21.170 --> 00:54:24.530 It is something that you do have to grapple with as an artist, you know. 00:54:24.610 --> 00:54:36.769 You have to really sit and think and say, like, okay, well, I I want to be me, I want to be authentic, but I also want people to enjoy what I'm doing, and I want it, I want to pay off in some capacity, right? 00:54:36.930 --> 00:54:50.130 Like, we all want to pay off in some capacity, whether it be monetarily or or literally like this discussion we're having, where like now you guys know that your song did touch somebody, like that is that payoff, you know. 00:54:50.210 --> 00:55:00.450 So it doesn't have to be the monetary side, it can be that and and understanding that like do we it's such a tight rope to walk, you know? 00:55:00.530 --> 00:55:02.050 It's very difficult, very difficult. 00:55:02.289 --> 00:55:12.289 Yeah, I feel I feel we don't cater to any specific thing, you know, and that's what I like about uh that we do not do that. 00:55:12.450 --> 00:55:15.890 And we're there's not a formula for thing, you know. 00:55:15.970 --> 00:55:29.250 We we're not gonna the other thing too though, which is is good for what you guys are doing, is unfortunately I think that the album is dying. 00:55:29.410 --> 00:55:48.450 I think that we have officially moved into the world of singles, yeah, and more and more artists are now putting out singles, and all of their album releases become this like hodgepodge of every single the last three years, and like none of it's cohesive, none of it goes together. 00:55:48.610 --> 00:56:00.930 And as somebody who's an album collector, as somebody who loves to sit down and listen to an entire experience, that can be frustrating for somebody like me, not with your guys' stuff, though. 00:56:01.090 --> 00:56:09.410 Like be and and specifically like church, like I said, it is kind of everything is different, but there is a through line, there is a sound, you know what I mean? 00:56:09.570 --> 00:56:16.690 Like every ACDC song is exactly the same, but every Scorpion song isn't, you know what I mean? 00:56:16.769 --> 00:56:20.690 Like there is a through line that I appreciate. 00:56:20.850 --> 00:56:36.690 But right now, I think a big issue that is hurting the industry is this idea of instead of putting out albums, we're putting out singles, and then to the music collector and the music enthusiast, we're putting together these large collections of songs that don't go together. 00:56:36.930 --> 00:56:40.050 And like yours at least tell a cohesive story. 00:56:40.370 --> 00:56:48.450 Yours have a through line and have like the emotion and like you know, the the melodies and the and the sound choices. 00:56:48.610 --> 00:56:54.690 There is that through line of like everything is produced together, yeah, instead of here's a single, here's a single, you know. 00:56:55.010 --> 00:56:59.010 Well, and the uh and you know the song orders aren't by accident either. 00:56:59.330 --> 00:57:00.130 Yes, yeah. 00:57:00.370 --> 00:57:02.050 I mean, yeah, we we go back and forth. 00:57:02.610 -->

00:57:05.250 Spend a lot of time while we're talking through that, yeah. 00:57:05.490 --> 00:57:13.170 Um we've actually created songs to fit the album in order, right? 00:57:13.330 --> 00:57:20.289 Like the the outro track to to church is, you know, like we felt like it needed something to close it out. 00:57:20.610 --> 00:57:20.850 Right. 00:57:21.090 --> 00:57:31.730 And it needed to be unique and it needed to be, you know, different and and kind of capturing kind of you know some of the some of the story essence and it's and it's also instrumental, right? 00:57:31.890 --> 00:57:35.650 So so things like that I think are are are really interesting. 00:57:35.890 --> 00:57:40.210 I don't think we I think we do we don't approach studios. 00:57:40.530 --> 00:57:44.930 We do approach studios as from an album perspective, you know, we don't approach it from a single perspective. 00:57:45.250 --> 00:57:45.410 Right. 00:57:45.650 --> 00:57:48.690 We have an idea of what we think a single would be, you know, of course. 00:57:48.850 --> 00:57:53.730 But by the way, I was just speaking, just thinking your your comment about you know, you know about that. 00:57:53.970 --> 00:57:58.370 There is hope because you know they say they they say analog's making its way back, right? 00:57:58.450 --> 00:58:11.090 So you're seeing, you know, the you know, the the LPs and the and the and the um record players and you know, people hanging out, you know, waiting in line to get in Radio Shack to buy some like analog tech. 00:58:11.330 --> 00:58:23.890 And Bobby's our tech guy, so he, you know, he could talk about like the analog stuff, but you know, I I think that that hopefully can you know bring back some some some hope for you know our larger story than just one song, right? 00:58:23.970 --> 00:58:24.850 You know, right, right. 00:58:25.250 --> 00:58:27.410 Larger experience than just one song, you know. 00:58:27.650 --> 00:58:29.570 Yeah, vinyl's on the way up, man. 00:58:29.970 --> 00:58:36.289 We talked about it, I think, last month, but it's the the second largest music medium as of recently. 00:58:36.450 --> 00:58:42.130 So vinyl is definitely on its way back, and young kids are actually going back to collecting CDs too. 00:58:42.210 --> 00:58:45.570 I think just physical in general is is coming back. 00:58:45.730 --> 00:58:50.450 Yeah, I just got rid of like 400 CDs, right? 00:58:50.610 --> 00:58:50.769 Right. 00:58:51.170 --> 00:58:52.050 Rookie move. 00:58:52.210 --> 00:58:52.769 Yeah, totally. 00:58:53.010 --> 00:58:59.730 They've been in storage for the last 15 years, my whole CD collection, because it's all it's all it's all burnt on hard drive now. 00:58:59.809 --> 00:59:08.370 And yeah, I've got backups of everything, but I you know, I've got had a storage unit, and I was going, I gotta get rid of this because it just keeps going up every year. 00:59:08.530 --> 00:59:14.450 So we got rid of we had all our DVDs in there that could probably furnish a DVD store. 00:59:14.610 --> 00:59:26.850 We had like over like 700 DVDs, and my my one of my wife's co-workers found out about what you were giving away, and my wife had meticulously logged all the CDs in each of the bins. 00:59:27.250 --> 00:59:30.610 And so she just took them to work, and the girls like highlighting all the ones they wanted. 00:59:30.769 --> 00:59:33.809 So we gave her enough movies for to watch for at least two years, I think. 00:59:35.730 --> 00:59:37.090 But then I gave the rest to Goodwill. 00:59:37.410 --> 00:59:42.130 I mean any uh any gems in there, Matt, you want to talk about? 00:59:45.250 --> 00:59:58.450 No, I I gave all our CDs to Goodwill to I had I had some uh R R V uh Richmond V CDs I pulled and took a picture of and posted on the Richmond forum. 00:59:58.930 --> 01:00:00.450 Because yeah, it's awesome. 01:00:00.690 --> 01:00:01.650 I love that. 01:00:02.130 --> 01:00:05.010 I have Harley's original CD in my car. 01:00:05.410 --> 01:00:09.250 I also have Harley's original CD in the studio somewhere. 01:00:09.410 --> 01:00:11.809 Yeah, old Sunset Boulevard, man. 01:00:12.050 --> 01:00:14.210 That's right, with your with your little hippie outfit. 01:00:14.370 --> 01:00:15.250 Yeah, nice. 01:00:15.570 --> 01:00:16.370 Oh, wow. 01:00:16.530 --> 01:00:17.170 Yeah. 01:00:17.970 --> 01:00:20.530 Well, guys, Taylor's got stories. 01:00:20.930 --> 01:00:21.570 Yes. 01:00:22.130 --> 01:00:24.130 Oh, she's got a lot of stories. 01:00:24.850 --> 01:00:30.370 Um I I just want to take a moment and say thank you so much for being on the show today. 01:00:30.610 --> 01:00:34.050 I do want to ask you guys one final thing. 01:00:34.370 --> 01:00:39.490 Where can we find you and what kind of dates you got going on? 01:00:39.730 --> 01:00:46.530 And obviously, like I said, the the band is Rome Like Ghosts, and the new album, Church, is out right now. 01:00:46.610 --> 01:00:49.650 You can listen to it on Apple, Spotify, and all those good things. 01:00:49.890 --> 01:00:51.890 But where where can we see you? 01:00:52.370 --> 01:00:54.690 Currently, we don't have anything booked. 01:00:54.769 --> 01:00:56.769 Um we've we're done for the year. 01:00:57.010 --> 01:00:58.530 We're taking time off. 01:00:58.850 --> 01:01:05.090 We haven't written a lot this past year just because of our our lives have been so busy, you know. 01:01:05.410 --> 01:01:17.170 Bobby's got a new baby, and you know Bucky's got work in a 16-year-old, and I got two kids in college that I'm going back and forth in two different places, you know. 01:01:17.330 --> 01:01:19.410 So it's been kind of a little tough. 01:01:19.570 --> 01:01:19.809 Yeah. 01:01:19.970 --> 01:01:27.410 So we're gonna take a break and then focus on trying to get some new tracks together and stuff like that, and then see what happens then. 01:01:27.650 --> 01:01:32.769 Maybe studio or you know, maybe a couple of gigs here and there next year. 01:01:33.090 --> 01:01:34.850 But we're not sure.

01:01:34.930 --> 01:01:37.890 But you know, we we keep every our our website updated. 01:01:38.210 --> 01:01:45.330 And we've got Instagram and then Facebook as well, Facebook group page or whatever that we we constantly post on. 01:01:45.490 --> 01:01:53.410 Well, not constantly post, but we keep updated with new new things, like uh albums or shows or anything like that. 01:01:53.730 --> 01:01:57.090 So yeah, roam like ghosts.com. 01:01:57.170 --> 01:01:58.850 So Harley, Harley. 01:01:58.930 --> 01:02:03.570 I'm spending quality time now with my resonator and my 12th string. 01:02:03.809 --> 01:02:04.530 There you go. 01:02:04.769 --> 01:02:09.490 Um, some interesting things are emerging, so we'll see what comes out of that. 01:02:11.010 --> 01:02:11.570 It was funny. 01:02:11.650 --> 01:02:21.809 We saw Toad the Wet's Brocket last week, and one of the guitar did it, they're on their acoustic tour, and one of the guys, extras they had in the background was playing a resonator slide guitar. 01:02:21.970 --> 01:02:24.289 My god, my my wife goes, What is he playing? 01:02:24.450 --> 01:02:29.170 And I was like, I'd explain the whole resonator guitar, how he's doing slide. 01:02:30.769 --> 01:02:34.530 Shout out, uh, I think Glenn Phillips was his name. 01:02:34.690 --> 01:02:37.010 He was a guest on the show once. 01:02:37.410 --> 01:02:42.210 But if you guys ever need a feature, I am looking to to get back out there. 01:02:42.289 --> 01:02:43.809 I'd be happy to play on a track. 01:02:43.890 --> 01:02:44.370 Just say it. 01:02:44.610 --> 01:02:46.370 Please put him on a track. 01:02:46.690 --> 01:02:47.650 He needs a track. 01:02:47.730 --> 01:02:47.970 Okay. 01:02:48.210 --> 01:02:49.890 He needs a track, guys. 01:02:50.610 --> 01:02:52.130 But he cover your ears. 01:02:52.370 --> 01:02:53.890 He really needs that. 01:02:55.010 --> 01:03:01.809 I got I got I got I got this this beautiful ESP right here, and I got a uh a PRS that's begging to get played. 01:03:02.050 --> 01:03:05.170 So it's difficult when you have a kid, man. 01:03:05.250 --> 01:03:05.970 I I get it. 01:03:06.850 --> 01:03:07.330 Yeah. 01:03:07.730 --> 01:03:09.490 All right, your baby's pretty good at drums. 01:03:09.570 --> 01:03:11.410 So yeah, but he he hates, dude. 01:03:11.570 --> 01:03:15.490 I tried to I was playing Drowning Pole the other day because I've been on a Drowning Pole kick. 01:03:15.570 --> 01:03:22.769 Yeah, he came in, I was playing Tearing Away, and and he came in and literally walked over and like put his hand on the guitar and was like, Dad, oh okay. 01:03:24.210 --> 01:03:26.930 My kids did that to me when they were they were little too. 01:03:27.010 --> 01:03:29.970 I'd be playing my cooistic or something or singing, dad. 01:03:30.050 --> 01:03:31.650 Shut up, stop singing. 01:03:32.370 --> 01:03:34.050 Yeah, they they hate it. 01:03:34.450 --> 01:03:39.490 Um, but do you play the drowning pool version of you know I can count to five? 01:03:39.730 --> 01:03:41.809 I I have he likes the music. 01:03:41.890 --> 01:03:43.090 He loves drowning pool. 01:03:43.170 --> 01:03:44.850 That's that's why I was like, what do you mean? 01:03:44.930 --> 01:03:46.130 You love this song. 01:03:46.610 --> 01:03:52.530 He's he's a big Drowning Pull, Lincoln Park, God smack, stained, clubhouse. 01:03:52.690 --> 01:03:54.210 We're right, we're raising him good. 01:03:56.850 --> 01:03:58.850 He's not a big system of a down guy, though. 01:03:58.930 --> 01:03:59.890 It's it's kind of disappointing. 01:03:59.970 --> 01:04:01.570 So I'm a big system of a down guy. 01:04:01.730 --> 01:04:03.410 Yeah, you like nickelback? 01:04:03.650 --> 01:04:04.769 Like he does like nickelback. 01:04:06.210 --> 01:04:07.330 He does like nickelback. 01:04:08.210 --> 01:04:10.050 Oh okay, okay. 01:04:10.370 --> 01:04:13.010 Listen, the nickelback hate is forced. 01:04:13.170 --> 01:04:17.490 You cannot like them, but if you come on, you're like, I hate nickelback, but you don't. 01:04:17.809 --> 01:04:18.450 I'm not saying that. 01:04:18.690 --> 01:04:22.130 You heard that on the internet somewhere, yeah, and you went with it. 01:04:22.370 --> 01:04:23.650 I never said I dislike them. 01:04:23.730 --> 01:04:25.250 I just know that I just know them by name. 01:04:25.330 --> 01:04:27.330 I have no, I couldn't, I couldn't pick one. 01:04:28.210 --> 01:04:29.410 I'll accept those answers. 01:04:29.570 --> 01:04:30.370 I'll accept that. 01:04:30.610 --> 01:04:30.930 Okay. 01:04:31.570 --> 01:04:35.650 They had an album called, I think it was called Feed the Machine. 01:04:35.809 --> 01:04:39.970 It came out in like 2016, something around there. 01:04:40.210 --> 01:04:41.090 16, 17. 01:04:41.170 --> 01:04:41.809 I don't know. 01:04:42.050 --> 01:04:44.130 You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:04:44.450 --> 01:04:53.809 But I would I would encourage you to listen to that album if you're if you're a big metal guy, because like man, they really killed it on that one. 01:04:53.970 --> 01:04:57.010 It but it went unnoticed because everybody hated them at the time. 01:04:57.090 --> 01:05:00.850 So it just like yeah, it just kind of disappeared into the algorithm. 01:05:01.010 --> 01:05:03.490 But like that, that's a killer album. 01:05:03.730 --> 01:05:05.570 Where did the hate come from? 01:05:05.970 --> 01:05:09.330 So it's they they have a very fantastic documentary. 01:05:09.490 --> 01:05:14.050 I can I can give a brief synopsis, but they they do have a great documentary about it. 01:05:14.289 --> 01:05:34.050 More or less, they were so popular when they came out that they had crossed over so many genres that the song How You Remind Me, I think they in the documentary talk about the the time, but it's like that song was playing on a radio station every two minutes for like a year straight. 01:05:34.289 --> 01:05:37.730 So people just were so sick and tired of hearing that song. 01:05:37.970 --> 01:05:43.730 And then a comedian, well, no, a comedian

did a joke on a late night show. 01:05:43.970 --> 01:05:47.170 I forget the comedian's name, but he was on the big bang theory. 01:05:47.250 --> 01:05:49.570 He played the geologist on the big bang theory. 01:05:49.730 --> 01:05:52.769 But he made I know you're talking about yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:05:52.930 --> 01:05:54.530 It's uh Brian Brian. 01:05:56.370 --> 01:05:58.050 Yes, yes, yep, that's him. 01:05:58.210 --> 01:06:08.530 Um, so he made a joke about Nickelback on a late night show, and the world just went with that, and they became the laughing stock of an entire generation. 01:06:08.930 --> 01:06:09.490 Yeah. 01:06:09.809 --> 01:06:13.890 But like if you play someone in Nickelback's all, they'll be like, hey, it's pretty good. 01:06:14.850 --> 01:06:24.690 I mean, it got it got so bad that like there are videos of Chad Kroger like raging off of stage because they they just were getting so much hate. 01:06:25.330 --> 01:06:28.530 But they made a massive comeback with Taylor's generation. 01:06:28.690 --> 01:06:35.090 Her generation loves nickelback from all of the memes of like the photograph song. 01:06:35.330 --> 01:06:39.490 So now they've had a giant resurgence, and yeah, they're doing great. 01:06:39.890 --> 01:06:41.570 I'm glad Gen Z could do something. 01:06:42.289 --> 01:06:44.610 It's about damn time, it's about time. 01:06:45.490 --> 01:06:46.930 All right, I'm going to work. 01:06:47.090 --> 01:06:51.090 No, Taylor does have to go to bed, she's got to work early tomorrow. 01:06:51.570 --> 01:06:52.930 Actually, this Gen Z does have to go. 01:06:54.690 --> 01:06:57.970 So, again, thank you so much for being on the show, truly. 01:06:58.130 --> 01:06:59.090 This was absolutely awesome. 01:06:59.170 --> 01:06:59.890 You guys are great. 01:07:00.050 --> 01:07:00.930 Yeah, thanks for having us. 01:07:01.170 --> 01:07:01.650 Thanks so much. 01:07:01.890 --> 01:07:02.610 Of course, of course. 01:07:02.690 --> 01:07:03.890 You guys are always welcome back. 01:07:03.970 --> 01:07:07.090 And and like I said, I'm a Virginia guy, so please hit me up. 01:07:07.250 --> 01:07:08.210 Love to have you over. 01:07:08.450 --> 01:07:09.010 That's cool. 01:07:10.450 --> 01:07:14.130 My stepson lives in Virginia Beach, and I got my best friends live in Norfolk. 01:07:14.210 --> 01:07:15.090 So hey, there you go. 01:07:15.170 --> 01:07:16.210 You got to drive right past me. 01:07:16.930 --> 01:07:18.610 In Harley's neighborhood. 01:07:19.330 --> 01:07:21.730 So, Harley, when he shows up, don't be surprised now. 01:07:22.690 --> 01:07:23.010 That's right. 01:07:23.250 --> 01:07:24.210 Hey, you invited him. 01:07:24.370 --> 01:07:26.130 Hey, I got beers ready, man. 01:07:26.289 --> 01:07:27.890 With my toothbrush and pillows. 01:07:28.610 --> 01:07:29.250 Perfect. 01:07:30.530 --> 01:07:31.170 All right, guys. 01:07:31.330 --> 01:07:32.210 Thank you again. 01:07:32.370 --> 01:07:33.170 We'll see you later. 01:07:33.410 --> 01:07:35.570 This has been the Hook and Bridge podcast, everybody. 01:07:35.809 --> 01:07:37.090 All right, bye bye.