บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ #392: Dexcom’s Data Policy Update — What Actually Happened & Why Everyone Is Furious

00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:59.199 I only watch the news or sports, man. 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:00.560 That is an old man comment. 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:01.759 You're an old man for sure. 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:02.319 I yeah. 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:03.520 I like to be informed. 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:05.520 I feel like I like to be informed. 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:12.159 The problem the problem with comparing news and sports, though, is like I think everybody's watching sports. 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:17.839 Like in the in the in the reality, like yeah, nobody's no nobody's really watching it. 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:22.959 Nobody cares the way it's like it's like when people say it's only you that cares about your fantasy football team. 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.800 Like, yes, you think your fantasy football record is awesome. 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.000 Nobody else could care, could give two shits about it, right? 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:30.800 I'm three and two. 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:32.399 I'm three and two right now. 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:33.199 Oh, yeah? 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:33.519 Yeah. 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:35.439 It's not even that good right now, bro. 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:36.480 No, it's I'm just gonna be able to do that. 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:37.120 You're middle of the field. 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:38.399 You're middle of the field. 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:42.800 Oh, it's um, but yeah, I don't want to get distracted too much because we can talk about sports a bit. 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:44.800 I want to ask you actually a physical question. 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:45.759 Okay, let's go. 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:50.879 Um, the older I get, the more I experience this, and I'm this is what my theory is. 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:52.639 And tell me if I'm right or wrong. 00:04:52.800 --> 00:05:02.079 Is it possible to quote unquote injure yourself during the day, but not feel the effects of it until like while you're sleeping, like at night? 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:06.879 Like, like that, that you know, people say, like, I woke up and my back hurt. 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.600 Like, yeah, what what exactly does that mean? 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:14.560 You know, what is like I think the first thing that you have to do is define what injury means, right? 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:20.639 Because there's if you're talking about like, oh, I woke up and my back hurt, I'm sore and I'm tight, right? 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.279 Is that really an injury or are you just kind of sore or tight? 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:42.560 And it we it it could be, you could define it as an injury, but like a lot of people will define injury as it's broke, something broke, or something's torn, or you have a a big like, you know, muscle pull or something like that, something that's actually physically hurting or injured. 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:58.000 So, but I I think that the the big thing, the older we get, especially us males, the older we get, there's things that happen in our life that makes us not take care of ourselves. 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:23.920 And this I mean, you could say that for females too, but there's specific things that happen in our life that takes us away from stretching every day, takes us away from moving every day, takes us away from going on an easy 20, 30 minute walk with our wives or with, you know, our kids or whatever it is, like an intentional walk, not just going out and walking the dog around the block, but going on a very intentional walk. 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:41.279 I think that those are the things that, you know, when we wake up and we haven't had a like a legit injury, we didn't roll our ankle, we didn't hurt our back lifting, or we didn't, you know, like we didn't go play basketball and like get a freaking elbow to the back or something like that, or knee to the back, whatever it is. 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:56.639 Like you wake up in the morning and you your joints hurt, it's it's food related, it's sleep-related, it's recovery-related, and it's most likely related because you're not stretching and you're not doing like those daily things that you should be doing every day. 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.040 I mean, I I I'm in the same boat. 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.360 Like, I don't stretch every single day when I should. 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:09.920 I'm trying to move every day and doing something, whether that's lifting, whether that's just doing low intensity cardio, whether it's doing high intensity cardio. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.240 I mean, I'm playing basketball almost three days a week now. 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:17.519 So like I'm upping my intensity at least of what I'm doing. 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:25.600 So yeah, like what yeah yesterday morning I woke up and I was like, man, God, this sucks. 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:26.800 I was tight. 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.240 But that was also because I slept on my in-law's couch. 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:32.639 So it's not like I slept in my bed. 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:33.199 Damn it. 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:33.519 Right. 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:35.759 So I think you got me on that one too, man. 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:45.680 I Saturday night did like four, but did like five hours on a couch and then moved to a bed and then woke up with this like nagging pain, like just not all back. 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.360 It's like that one, just the one spot. 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:48.240 So you think it's couch? 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:49.600 You think it's couch? 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:54.480 Well, I mean, that's one variable that's like there that it could be. 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:56.480 So here's another question. 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:57.199 Why? 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:00.639 Like, why what's it it? 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:02.720 I mean, obviously. 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:03.920 What? 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.519 If you're talking about couch versus bed, think about it. 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:13.839 But but why really like

half of a night, like half of a night or one night as really? 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:14.720 Yeah, but why? 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:20.639 Because you're you're in you're compacting your body in a specific way that you don't usually do it. 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.959 You don't usually compact your body that in a bed. 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.480 A bed is like a flat surface, depending on the type of couch. 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:53.600 Like it could be a couch that like the cushions sink in, or it could be uneven at some point, like your spine is like, you know, not twisting, but flexing and stuff by just laying on the couch, being in different positions, like all that stuff, especially as you get older and you're not stretching and you're not doing the things that you should be doing, like moving and and doing all the things that you should be doing. 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:57.600 Like, it's so much easier for your body to be like, what the hell are you doing? 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:01.679 Okay, hold on a second, not that this doesn't feel right, right? 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.440 And then add on the time frame that you're in that position, right? 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:05.840 Okay. 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:12.799 A lot of people you sleep on the couch, like they might move and be in different positions, and some might not be. 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:18.000 But think about even if you do move and are in different positions, you're in those positions for a while. 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.080 That's like it's like being like hunched over for hours on end. 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.240 You're gonna have your back's gonna hurt. 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:24.799 Okay. 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:26.639 You see what I'm saying? 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:41.600 Where where like in a bed, even if you're not sleeping well, or even if you're not getting in a good comfortable spot, like I I feel like you're not comp compacted, compact as much like if you're sleeping in a bed. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:46.399 And I hope your mattress is good, is, is a good mattress that you can find a good comfortable spot. 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:52.720 Well, that would be my next thought is is why that then why can you jump between mattresses and have pain too? 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:54.559 Like, of course you can. 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:55.600 It's the same idea. 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.399 It's literally the same idea as like how we just talked about the couch. 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:00.399 I'm just making a reference to the couch. 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:02.000 It could be the same exact idea. 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:07.039 You could have a temperatic mattress and still wake up in the morning be like, oh, my back hurts. 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:17.200 It's because you and at whatever position that you were sleeping in, that wasn't the most ideal position for your spine, for your body, for your hips, for whatever it is. 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:17.919 Yeah. 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:18.480 Right? 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:23.279 So that's why a lot of people they'll they'll sleep on their side, like in the fetal position. 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.879 I'm just like, okay, well, still your spine's compacted there. 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:27.279 Yeah. 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:31.039 Literally the best the best position to sleep is on your back. 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.360 That is the best position to sleep in. 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:33.919 Yeah. 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.639 Not your stomach, not your side, but people do. 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.159 Like sometimes I sleep on my side. 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:39.919 Like in the middle of the night, I'll roll over. 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:45.279 I can't, I don't know if my in my entire life I've ever been able to sleep in my back. 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:45.919 Really? 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:47.679 My entire yes. 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.559 It's just I do not, I do not function. 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.000 I do not work that way. 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:53.759 Your back's really tight. 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:54.559 What? 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:57.360 Your back's and your your back and your hips are really tight. 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:58.080 Well, yeah. 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:03.759 And I also have, you know, I broke my sh, you know, I have a repaired shoulder, which makes it even worse. 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.000 So like, yeah, I don't I have a really, really hard time. 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:18.240 So is that that's obvious And that's such that's such like a but it but but you shouldn't be in a pos like if you are having back pain just by sleeping on your back, you shouldn't sleep on your back. 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.279 Find a comfortable position where you don't have pain, right? 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:25.279 Sometimes when my back is like really tight, I prefer to sleep in my back. 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.879 And I'll try to sleep on my back, but my back is like all arched because it's super tight. 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.519 And I'll be like, oh yeah, I can't I can't sleep like that. 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:32.799 So then I'll have to move. 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:33.519 Yeah. 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:34.720 I don't have back pain. 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:40.240 This is like a one, this is just a one-off, but I I figured you were you you would have a scientific thing. 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:42.799 I mean, that's not really a scientific thing. 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.279 I mean, it it makes sense to me, right? 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:50.799 Maybe you could argue there might be some science, obviously, in the thought process, but it just it makes sense. 00:11:50.879 --> 00:12:09.919 Like when you sleep on a couch, when you sleep in an uncomfortable position, or you sleep in a position that's not your back, not your belly, not your side where you're comfortable, like your body's gonna be contorted in different positions where 100% you could wake up in the morning and be like, oh

God. 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:11.360 What about laying on that? 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:17.600 What about like if you're just having a you've if you've earned a day off and you want to like lay on the couch and watch football? 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:19.519 What why is that a problem? 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:24.960 Are you gonna have more problems on Monday? 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:25.840 On the Monday night. 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:27.519 Not necessarily, not necessarily. 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:35.360 It's it's have you ever slept laid down on a couch and then tried to get up and you're like super back is super tight and you're like, oh God, hold on a second. 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.360 But then you get up and you're fine. 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:44.159 But it's because you've been in that position for so long, like you're there's specific muscles that have to contract to keep you in that position. 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:52.159 And when muscles contract for a long, long period of time, they're gonna they're just gonna get tight and like not be able to move very well. 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.559 I feel like I don't know, there was a point, there was a point yesterday. 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:58.000 This happened to me on Saturday night. 00:12:58.080 --> 00:12:58.799 There was a point yesterday. 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:09.200 I was like, dude, I used I had assumed maybe I pulled something in the gym or outside working in the garden or something, because it was like uh it took my the pain like took my breath away, bro. 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.919 It was it was pretty intense, man. 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:14.080 But yeah, whatever. 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:15.759 Enough old man talk. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.039 You said you you said you had some you said you had some informal. 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:20.799 I don't know if you've seen. 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.279 Everybody who's listening, I'm sure you've seen this. 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:36.480 If you've paid any attention on social media, have you I'll ask you this this question first, Graham, because it if you have seen this, which I don't think you have, if you have seen this, you know exactly what I'm talking about. 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.639 Have you seen a message pop up? 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:44.000 Or no, you haven't because you're not on the CGM anymore. 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:44.879 No, hit me with it. 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:45.679 Okay, you don't know. 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:46.399 So hold on. 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.720 So yes, because you're not on this on the Dexcom anymore. 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:50.240 So this is a Dexcom thing. 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:51.120 Oh, okay. 00:13:51.440 --> 00:14:02.399 So what has been what's happened is Dexcom came out with a new policies, legal, legal jargon and policies, whatever for the G7. 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:03.919 My favorite topic. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:04.960 I love what you just go for. 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:09.759 They they rolled this

out in a very, very bad way. 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:10.559 Right? 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:14.799 So basically what happens, or what happened, it has not happened to me yet, everybody. 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:18.720 So if it has happened to you, my thoughts go out to you. 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:23.919 I would love to know how you're dealing with it if you just like opted in or if you're doing something different. 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:32.559 So basically there is this message that popped up on the G7, and you couldn't see your blood sugars, right? 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:38.960 The only way you could see your blood sugars is if you opted in to their their new legal policy. 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:39.840 Okay. 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:40.559 Okay. 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:50.240 So and then on top of that, it straight up says on the message if you don't opt in, delete the app. 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:52.159 Because you're not gonna be able to use it. 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:53.759 It literally says that. 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:54.559 Okay. 00:14:55.039 --> 00:15:01.279 So now everyone is up in it, that everyone that's this has happened to so far, because it hasn't happened to everybody. 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.639 Like I said, it hasn't happened to me yet, is in an uproar. 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:13.759 And then it's they're making, they have made it very, very difficult to get information of what this actu this update actually is. 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:15.120 What who who has? 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:16.399 The user, the consumer? 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:23.360 No, Dexcom has made it very hard to figure out exactly not very hard, but they've made it challenging. 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.000 We'll just say I'm writing all this down just so I can Okay. 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:26.559 Okay. 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:32.799 So some of the things that people have said, which again, it has not happened to me. 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:48.480 I have not 100% looked into their notice now because of course they sent out an email or sent out this big notice to everybody that's on that's in their in their which I'd never even got an email, but that's in that's maybe effective, we'll say that. 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:49.200 Okay. 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:54.559 And this is all from people that I've seen post things online. 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:55.279 Okay. 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:59.519 So this is not, I'm not pulling this exactly from Dexcom's stuff. 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:05.279 So some of the things that this this is doing, it's taking your data. 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:05.840 Okay. 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.000 So we all know that's what everybody does. 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:10.080 That's what everybody's doing. 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.639 We all know that Dexcom takes our data anyway. 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:12.799 Yeah. 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:27.919 But the difference is what uh what it looks like or what what people are saying from the messaging is that it's it's taking your data and sharing it with other comp other platforms, other other things. 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:29.840 Whatever that's what other people do. 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:30.799 Hold on. 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:31.279 Okay. 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:40.399 So I also saw an interview, a clip of an interview for with someone from Dexcom, which this makes sense, and I understand why they would even say this. 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:58.080 It could be true, it could be not true, that it's not taking because at first everyone was in an uproar because it was saying that it was tracking you, even using like Safari, losing using Google, using like any like browser, like it could track your browser history on your phone. 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:03.039 So they've Dexcom has kind of tried to come out and said, well, it doesn't actually do that. 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:04.960 That's a false narrative. 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:14.960 That's it's not tracking your browser history, it's tracking the data from the app and data that's that that is connected to the app. 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:15.279 Okay. 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:17.200 As an example, right? 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:22.400 So it's trying to take data and share it with your pump, right? 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.720 Because so if you're on a closed loop system, right, say I'm on the tandem pump. 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:27.039 Okay. 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:34.400 So Dexcom is saying, hey, we're gonna take your data from Dexcom and share it with tandem. 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:44.960 Because they have to, tandem and Dexcom, I believe, have to have that legal partnership for it to even share with the two devices. 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:45.519 Right? 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:47.839 So they're updating that policy. 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.720 That's what the Dexcom is kind of coming out. 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:52.960 It seems like what they're kind of coming out and saying. 00:17:53.119 --> 00:18:01.279 Again, this is all me guesstimating on what I have seen so far in social media from Dexcom and from people that are talking about it. 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:15.039 On a different funny side, I saw a clip from someone who is a parent of a young type one, and the husband works in cybersecurity AI. 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:20.480 He didn't get on, he didn't get on camera, but you could hear him explaining things in the background. 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:29.920 And he was saying the first thing he said, because the the mom was asking him, you know, a bunch of questions about like what happened and what's going on. 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:44.880 And the first thing he said is which which was funny, it's like, well, I think some IT guy's getting fired right now because of the way it got rolled out and how like obscene it was and like the language, how obscene the language was. 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:49.440 So then so I just that was just a funny piece that I I saw too. 00:18:49.599 --> 00:19:06.880 So then the other thing

that Dexcom did, which is make which is also pissing off users, is they sent out a notification or something after this happened, after the fact, saying, like, if you have questions, contact our legal department and you have to email them. 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:16.720 You imagine how many people this affected and how many people are emailing legal to try to figure out what's going on, how much work that's creating for them. 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:18.240 You're not gonna get an email back. 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:18.880 Uh-uh. 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:21.200 No, no way you're gonna get an email back. 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.680 No, so that's another thing that people are pissed about because this is heavy. 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:34.480 I actually, I actually just talked on Saturday to someone that's getting ready to come onto the podcast that started this whole thing. 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:51.039 There's this amazing type one diabetic who she made a post and all this research, all this stuff, and all these things that she went into with Dexcom, phone calls, like trying to talk to managers, like she talked about all this in this video and it went viral. 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.279 That's how everyone figured out about this. 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.200 She's coming on the podcast to talk about her experience too soon. 00:19:58.160 --> 00:19:59.119 We're getting it scheduled. 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:00.160 Oh dude. 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:04.799 But we're we'll get it scheduled and it'll be here in the next, hopefully the next 30 days. 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:07.039 We'll get her on and talk about all this. 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:14.160 But any anyways, so can I say I have to say something really quickly? 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:15.680 I just went off a big tangent. 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:15.920 Go. 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:19.920 Of everything, of everything we have ever talked about. 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:25.039 This is the first time I've ever been like, damn, I would have loved to have researched this shit ahead of time. 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:28.319 Because you know this one grinds my ears. 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.920 And so that's it, that's a first for that. 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.920 This is also gonna be a first that I might actually make a political comment. 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:37.279 Oh gosh, here we go. 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.359 But it it is I've seen it and it's happening. 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:45.519 It is this, it's it's a I think it's a course correction. 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:56.960 I think, I think it is a like we had a little bit of Trump, but then Biden came in and everybody tried to go way, way left and be all about offended, and now we're back to Trump. 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:00.400 So it's all about how he is and this and that. 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:03.599 And while you were talking, I looked it up. 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:09.680 I wanted to know the exact message that Dexcom said to the user if you chose not to use it. 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:13.920 And it was please uninstall app if you don't agree. 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.440 That is not how shit did not used to be that. 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:20.799 No, but this is the funny thing about it, bro. 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:33.440 But this is the funny thing about it because this is the funny thing about it, because this is why like people that are in like this other this lady who her husband's in cybersecurity and and AI stuff, yeah. 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.640 That's why he was saying like this someone's getting fired. 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:43.119 Because this was rolled out, this had to have been rolled out without going through legal with like the messaging piece. 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:53.200 Not not the actual like hey, this is how we're gonna do things, but the messaging and the words that are there being used, it got it had to have gotten rolled out without approval. 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:56.559 Because that's obscene. 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:59.279 That's a the first thing that's obscene. 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:05.680 The first thing that's obscene is having this message come up and you cannot get past it and look at your blood sugars. 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:10.000 And it doesn't come up between like when you're changing a CGM. 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:10.720 Yeah. 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:11.279 Right? 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:13.839 It comes up during your 10 days. 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:16.319 It could be one day one or day ten. 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:20.160 It's coming up during your ten your ten days. 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:22.240 That's the first obscene piece about it. 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:28.400 The second obscene piece about it is the fact that the only way you can fix it is if you opt in. 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:34.160 And who's who's really gonna read through 50, 60 some pages, however long it is? 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:35.599 Who's gonna read through all that? 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:36.240 Nobody. 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:37.279 Yeah. 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:37.920 Nobody. 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:39.519 Terms and what do you call them? 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:40.240 Terms of service. 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:41.920 Terms of agreements. 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:42.799 Terms and conditions. 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:44.559 And terms and conditions and policy. 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:45.519 Whatever. 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:52.480 Okay, so those are the two main things that are an issue outside of the data breaches. 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.640 Not data breach, but outside of the, hey, we're taking your data. 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:57.039 Yeah. 00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:57.920 They're all right. 00:22:58.079 --> 00:22:59.119 But think about this. 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:01.200 And this is another person that I saw talking. 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.079 It was like he he has a 100% great point. 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:15.440 I I was watching another type one who puts out puts out stuff, and he was saying

that he doesn't understand why everyone's in an uproar. 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.079 Dexcom takes your data anyway. 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:18.880 Yeah. 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:19.599 Right? 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:23.599 He's like, Dexcom takes your data and shares it anyway. 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:35.759 And and even more obscene than that, everyone's using Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, like all the social media platforms, what the hell do you think they do? 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:40.559 They take your data and share it with external people more than anybody. 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:42.559 So he that's what that's what his point was. 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:46.480 I'm like, dude, that's so of course, that's that is so true. 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:54.160 So we're in a we're in an uproar about Dexcoming telling us that they're stealing, or not stealing, but taking our data and sharing it. 00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:58.880 Well, but the problem is is the messaging on how they're what they said they're doing. 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:06.640 And there could be a lot of stuff to your point earlier, there could be a lot of shady stuff going on in what they actually rolled out. 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:07.519 100%. 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:11.440 I didn't I haven't read it because I haven't I haven't got a message yet. 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:11.759 Yeah. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.559 Or I haven't I haven't got the update yet. 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.839 So I think that that's the first piece to this. 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:32.160 I think the second piece to this on what this other guy was saying is, you know, when you think about the data that you're sharing anyway, they're taking your medical information regardless. 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:33.119 They always have. 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.599 You have to put all your medical information into Dexcom's app and your profile regardless. 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:42.000 Yes, I agree that Dexcom shouldn't be sharing that with third-party companies. 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:53.119 Now, do I care if Dexcom is just sharing that data with tandem if I'm on a tandem pump, or with omnipod if I'm on an omnipod pump, or on the twist, or whatever it is. 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:54.960 No, I don't care. 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:58.480 So it it's like it's almost like a catch-22 that we're in. 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:04.400 Like, of course, we're pissed off at that we didn't know it, we didn't know it was coming, first off. 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.759 Second of all, the way it was turned, it was it came out. 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.200 And the third is like, what does this actually mean? 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:17.839 If I press okay, I accept what what am I accepting too because it's not clear. 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.359 I I call this the Chick-fil-A analogy. 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:23.920 You know why Chick-fil-A is closed on Sundays? 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:25.440 Because they don't want to work on Sundays. 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:25.920 I don't know. 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.240 No, no, because they're a religious organization, they're privately owned, they can do whatever they want. 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:38.000 So this is the you could show up, you could have a Southwest flight, you could show up at the airport, and they'll be like, no, you're not allowed on the flight. 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:39.359 They own, they own it. 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:41.519 There's a private company, they don't have to let you on. 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:42.720 Same thing with Dexcom. 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.960 Like, but I'm not hold on, hold on. 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:45.359 Yeah, yeah. 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.079 I'm giving you an answer to what this all is. 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:53.440 If you don't want to use it, if if if it's if it's not up to your standards, don't use it. 00:25:53.599 --> 00:26:09.279 I'll tell you another thing, and I don't I just don't realize that many, maybe not not everybody has realized this, but as we've lost jobs to AI, comp and companies replace positions with AI. 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.000 And sorry to say it, but we're still under this administration. 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:19.440 People have come to realize what is what really is a customer service hotline? 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:21.839 It's just a waste of time and money. 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:24.079 It's truly just a waste of their time. 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.200 So companies are completely getting rid of that. 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:32.079 There is no more calling and complain like that's it's just a waste of their money. 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:37.119 It's not this is that the excuse I said in the beginning, we're private, don't use us. 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:38.400 That's what people say now. 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:40.559 Like, you don't like it, don't use us. 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:45.359 We're not gonna waste millions and millions of dollars on fielding people's complaints. 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:46.480 And I disagree. 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.000 I don't think this was an IT. 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.640 I think this is this is the stance that they want to make. 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:52.480 This is what Dexcom wants to be. 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.319 Like, and this is only playing devil's advocate, but you mentioned it. 00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:56.799 Yeah. 00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.519 Dude, they're a medical service company. 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:04.079 Like that must, that's a that must be a legal nightmare at all times, you know. 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:05.039 Oh, 100%. 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:14.960 And and from my perspective, the sharing of the information is what all companies are doing because they're trying to build an AI model. 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.119 Like that's that's the whole thing here. 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:18.720 Like you're and you're shaking your head, yes. 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.160 So you already know what I'm gonna say. 00:27:20.240 -->

00:27:27.839 Like, so yeah, of course they're gonna handcuff if if you again, if you don't want to agree to it, don't use the don't use the product. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:30.000 But to your point, nobody's gonna read it. 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.160 Like, you know, go ahead, go ahead. 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:33.680 You want to go ahead. 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:39.519 No, I was just I I agree with you and I disagree with you. 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:48.559 Because I I agree with you in in this in the stance that it's a privately owned company, they're gonna do what they want to do. 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:51.440 But here here's my red flag with this. 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:56.240 This is this is what I feel like is a no-no for me. 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:07.920 When you are messing with someone's health, and we all know DexCon is they they are a I mean, you said they're a medical company. 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.319 They're a medical device company. 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:16.400 So they're dealing with medical things, medical privacy, HIPAA. 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:17.920 They're dealing with all that stuff. 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.160 And that's a real that's a real thing. 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:30.799 And when you start messing around with not allowing people to access their information, that's where it becomes an issue. 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.680 And that's why this is such a big problem. 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:57.279 It's not a big problem that DEXCOM is trying to build an AI model and updating their service agreement and that they're gonna take all your data from the DEXCOM, which is just your CGM data and what you're putting into the app in the first place, and giving it to AI so AI can learn so they can build an AI model for later. 00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:58.000 Right? 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.160 Every company's doing that. 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:01.839 I don't have a problem with that. 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:20.240 What I have a problem with is the fact how they rolled it out, the fact that people were being interrupted in in their 10-day, 15-day window with like, if you don't accept this, we know you're in, we know you're in the middle of your 10, 15-day window. 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.960 We know that you're looking at your blood sugars. 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:26.720 But if you don't accept this, you're not gonna be able to do it. 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:28.880 You're not gonna be able to see your numbers. 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:30.400 That's fucked up. 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.720 And they know it because they've they've said it. 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:42.400 They've literally said it on other podcasts, they've literally said this in it from what people are saying and showing on social media, they know they fucked up. 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:43.759 They know they did. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.079 And they're trying to make amends for it. 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:51.680 But the problem is, why was this launched in that way in the first place? 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.759 And we'll never get that answer. 00:29:54.000 --> 00:30:09.359 If it was a negligence problem, if it was some IT person that pushed Go when it wasn't approved yet, or or DEXCOM legal team hadn't really looked at it yet, but someone pushed Go, like that's a problem. 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:11.039 Internally. 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:12.079 Okay. 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.160 But just come out and say that. 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:16.319 You don't even have to say who the heck it was. 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.160 They could straight up lie and say, yeah, this was an internal problem. 00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:21.599 We were and we've taken care of it. 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.759 We're taking care of it on the on the inside. 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.599 If they came out and said that shit, like, you think people would care? 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:31.440 No, but that's no, they would not as much people would care. 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:46.559 But the problem is is all is the people that it happened to in the first place, for the people that didn't want to opt in because they just they want to rightfully know what they're opting into, and tried to call and tried to get emails. 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.799 Like, okay, there's a window. 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:55.519 I think there was like a this small window that if they if you didn't opt in on, you couldn't opt in at all. 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.039 Or something like that. 00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.200 I don't I could be totally wrong with that. 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:10.400 But there was some window that someone was talking about, and she kept emailing, she kept calling, this person kept emailing, kept calling, and she wouldn't get a straight answer. 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.720 And they're like, oh, it's gonna take us 14 days. 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.200 Like, oh, well, my window's three days. 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:16.799 I've got three days to figure this out. 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:18.240 I want to know what this is. 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.920 So the the way that they rolled it out was is just it was so bad. 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:24.799 So bad. 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.880 And then I saw, and then this is another really, really good point to all this. 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:40.160 I saw another person talk about, which I can, again, I completely agree with this person, just talking about the uproar about how this is rolled out. 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:46.160 And this person was basically saying, like, okay, I can understand that everyone's in an uproar. 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:47.920 The way it was rolled out wasn't the right way. 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:55.200 But if you should, if you want to be in an uproar, why don't we be in an uproar about the accuracy of the G7? 00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:08.880 Why don't we be in an uproar about how the FDA caught DEFCOM trying to save money and putting the sensor, getting parts of the sensor from a third-party

company. 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:10.640 And I've been saying this for years. 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:11.359 100%. 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:22.480 So I'm just I'm just making a point of like that we're in a we're in an uproar right now because of the way that it was handled, and 100% they could have handled it a completely different way. 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:33.759 And my hopes is if something like this where they want to bring out another update at some point, that they learn from this mistake and and and bring it out in a different way. 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:38.240 The uproar, this this other person that's saying this is completely correct. 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.559 We should be in an absolute uproar. 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:53.200 I have not seen the uh as at least from my vantage point, I have not seen an uproar about the inaccuracy of that G7 over the past year to two years. 00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:02.480 It is going downhill, like in terms of the frequency of the inaccuracies during the 10 days and by CGM. 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:03.039 Totally. 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:08.079 It's going it's gone downhill for the last, I would say, even 12, I would just say 12 months. 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:08.480 Yeah. 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.240 It's probably been longer than that. 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.640 But people aren't giving an uproar about that. 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.160 They're giving an uproar about this, which I can pick I can understand the uproar. 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:22.400 But it it was when this person, this other influencer was talking about this, I was like, oh my God, it's so true. 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:31.759 Like we're all humanity's always worried about what's happening in the moment instead of what's happening as a trend over time. 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.519 And over time, the trend has been that the G7 has been inaccurate for a lot of people. 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:39.839 And but we're not in an uproar about that. 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.559 But this, we're in a crazy uproar because it affected so many people at once. 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:49.119 A, use this pod, use our podcast to document issues. 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.200 Like we've been doing this for years, bro. 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.119 I mean, we've been talking about problems with Dexcom for a very long time. 00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:01.440 I think it's hard to have an uproar when there are so many new consumers being added daily. 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:02.880 So you know what I mean? 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:10.639 Like, Dexcom is still in this very much growth, like they're in a growth bubble. 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:11.760 They are still on, hold on. 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:18.320 They're still in a growth bubble because this product is still relatively relatively new. 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:24.000 It's it's getting it's still that's the thing that they can say, you know, we're still getting better, this and that. 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:47.840 There's a

lot of I I feel like there's this will be a good uh case study in corporate in corporate sorry to say it, corporate greed, corpor what it this is a case study, and what it looks like to take a product that is that is built for a very, very, very, very, very small population of of of people, right? 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.559 Say say it was only made for type one diabetics. 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.000 That's like five percent of the US population, right? 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.360 However, to make that product work, you have to bring people in from all over. 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:09.039 You have to have marketing, you have to have, you know, you have legal, you have, you have sales teams, you have development, research, all these things that have to come together. 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:20.079 Those aren't people that are aware of what it's like to be a patient, to, to be, to be in a very different world of of of consumerism, right? 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.360 This isn't an apple. 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:26.559 Like when Dexcom came together, they weren't looking at themselves as as an apple. 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:28.880 I think they look at themselves as an apple now. 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:33.199 They're like revolutionary and they're the best, and they've brought in all these other people. 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:38.800 So in my opinion, you've kind of the train, the train is left to station, man. 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.400 You're never gonna get this back to being a real medical device. 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.719 I think this is it's bigger than that. 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:51.519 I think there's I think people have already lined their pockets and they don't they don't want that to stop, you know. 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:52.880 So Yeah. 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.719 I I would disagree with you. 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:55.920 In what sense? 00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:57.360 I would completely disagree. 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:02.079 It is still a medical device medical device, and it always will be a medical device. 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:02.800 Yeah. 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:03.760 I don't think so. 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:05.280 It always will be. 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.079 They're thinking bigger, they're thinking bigger than that. 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.800 Who, Dexcom's thinking better bigger than that? 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:11.360 Yeah. 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.199 What else does Dexcom do besides the CGM? 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:16.880 That that's the point. 00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:24.480 They would they will pair, they will take any, they will, they will put any product now under that umbrella. 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:25.679 They will start to do that. 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:26.639 You just watch. 00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.480 That's how that's how mini, was it, was it miniman or whatever? 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:31.679 They grew the same. 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.599 That was never a pump company. 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:36.159 No, it it became a subset of that company. 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:36.800 Correct. 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:41.199 And now, and now they look at look at look at what that company has done. 00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.440 Look at the growth of the company last year. 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:44.960 All I'm saying, Graham, all I'm saying. 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:46.719 Hold on, hold on. 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:53.599 That that is now a is it who wait, is it Minimet or is Minimet owned by somebody else? 00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:55.599 Who's like the mother Medtronic? 00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.639 So it's Medtronic, but Medtronic is also, I think, either the parent or no. 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.159 No, it's Medtronic is part of another company. 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:05.599 Correct, correct. 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:13.280 Point being, I've been diabetic long enough to watch that stock grow into a into a multi-multi-billion billion billion dollar company. 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:24.320 Like they are, they are they've done it right by all intents and purposes, but that's become a but that's only because they they they don't just do diabetes. 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:25.920 And that's what DEXCOM needs to do. 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:26.880 That's what DEFSCO. 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.559 Dexcom isn't going to do that. 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:45.199 If they do, then they're in a sense, you're right, they're not gonna be they're not just going to be a CGM company, but from the day that they started till today, which is why Dexcom hasn't gone into pumping. 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:53.599 Because they want to be the they want to be the gold standard, which they still are, of CGMs. 00:37:54.639 --> 00:38:02.320 To this day, I would argue that DEXCOM is probably the gold standard. 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:07.360 I don't want to say gold standard, but the most popular, we'll just say most popular CGM. 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:13.920 Now, things are happening that are really cool with the Abbott Libre, with the Eversons 365. 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:27.840 I I believe there's another C there's a couple other CGMs that are coming on the market, have come onto the market the last two years, because it's gonna create competition, which is gonna make Dexcom either get better or expand. 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:28.239 Right? 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.239 They're gonna have to either get better or expand. 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.239 That's the only two options they're gonna have. 00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:50.880 Because things like this, where people are already fed up with the inaccuracies of Dexcom and moving to the Abbott Libre or moving to Medtronic and using their CGM or whatever it is, people are already fed up with Dexcom and the inaccuracies. 00:38:51.039 --> 00:39:05.760 So unless Dexcom gets better, their hold or their seniority, I guess you could say, on the market with CGMs is gonna start falling away if they don't make the technology better. 00:39:06.000 -->

00:39:10.400 And if they don't make the technology better, they're gonna lose market share. 00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:19.679 If they lose market share, the only other option is to create other products to make up that market share, which is what Medtronic did. 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.519 Medtronic just became a pump, was a, was a pump company. 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:27.519 And they're like, oh, well, we want to we want to get into CGMs as well. 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.400 And that didn't work very well for them and never has. 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:36.400 Their CGM still is, I've heard, is crap because they're a pump company. 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:38.079 They're not a CGM company. 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.519 They're trying to do two things instead of doing one thing that really, really well. 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:48.239 And that's why right now Dexcom is the head of the Honcha of CGM because they only do CGM. 00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.920 Abbott does all kinds of different stuff. 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:53.920 They don't just do CGM. 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:59.039 I mean, CGM is like the smallest of the small of their of their product market, right? 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:06.320 So it that that's why Dexcom is it is you know the gold standard or everyone uses Dexcom. 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:13.440 Because up until now, I would still say now, they've done the best in developing the CGM. 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:24.159 The technology's gotten better, the app functionality's gotten better, even though it's inaccurate right now, and I can't stand that, the product is still getting better. 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:31.920 Just like Abbott's CGM is getting better, just like the Medtronic and their site sensors, things are just getting better. 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:45.840 And the more and more competition we have, it's going to force Dexcom to either continue to evolve and try to get better, which I think they will, and or move to a different market or a different place in the market. 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:48.719 As which is what you're saying you think they're gonna do. 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:49.280 I don't know. 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:49.920 Maybe you're right. 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.079 Maybe they will go to a different part of the market. 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.239 What if, like I have a question for you? 00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:00.559 What if, what if implantable, like an implantable type CGM became the new standard? 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.079 The EverSense that's the Eversence CGM. 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:05.679 Okay, hold on. 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.840 This is my question, and this is like there's always gotta be a motive behind it. 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.280 Is Dexcom worried that that is going that that that they're not gonna be able to be in that game? 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.000 No, because that's not their product. 00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.159 Their product is not implantable. 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:20.880 I know. 00:41:21.039

--> 00:41:22.480 Are they that's my point? 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:23.760 That's my point. 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:29.519 They're capitalizing off this disposable, this disposable sensor type thing. 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:30.159 Correct. 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.880 For as long as they can until things transition. 00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:39.840 It's like people always forget Netflix started by shipping people deep hard copied DVDs. 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:40.719 Correct, yes. 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:47.760 They built themselves into what they are now by by using hardware versus the you know, you know, you know what I mean. 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:48.239 You know what I mean? 00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.880 Something physical versus something I I don't know. 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:55.440 This is my personal opinion. 00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:00.639 I don't know if implantable is the wave of the future. 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:01.760 I don't know. 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.159 Right now it's very challenging. 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.239 It's a very challenging technology. 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.880 There's challenges in that technology. 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:18.000 Now, they can argue that the accuracy is way better, but I have my other thoughts about it. 00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:34.639 Which is why DEXCOM being able to make the product smaller, reduce the amount of technology that's in it, but make that technology really good is going to be the wave of the future for them because it will keep their costs low. 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:45.199 Where something like an implantable CGM, I I don't know how much that thing costs them, but I bet it's more than what the DEXCOM costs to make. 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:46.960 I would I would imagine. 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:47.519 Right? 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:50.159 So I think that's what Dexcom is looking at. 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.000 How can we keep our market share? 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.320 Because they have a shitload of it. 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.599 How can we keep all that market share and then expand it? 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:05.519 Which is what they've also done with the Stella, with the CGM for type 2 diabetes and people that just want to look at their blood sugar. 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:12.639 So really they Dexcom has two a product for diabetes across the board now. 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:17.440 Abbott, Abbott, they created the lingo, right? 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.639 So now they're following in Dexcom's footsteps. 00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:30.159 I can't remember who came out at first, but both of them are following in the footsteps of like, hey, CGM could be the wave of the future for looking at your overall health. 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:33.920 Let's not just look at type one, but let's also look at type two. 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.079 Let's also look at athletes. 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.159 Let's also look at general population. 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:41.360 How can we get it get that technology in their hands? 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:53.519 I'd be interested to see what the product sales are from the G7 and G6 to the DEXCOM Stella. 00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:56.719 How close are they even close? 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:57.760 I don't know. 00:43:58.159 --> 00:43:58.400 Right? 00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.599 Because they because we know that. 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:01.519 More type twos than type ones. 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:07.599 Well, I mean, you would think it'd be it would it would it would kill it because you're opening it up to the market, to the market of everybody. 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:08.320 You're not opening up. 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:16.239 But every but you gotta remember that there's still stipulations from the insurance point of the insurance that doesn't allow everyone to go on it. 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:16.719 Right? 00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:18.320 So that that's the difference. 00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:26.880 But because the technology isn't as I don't think it's as sophisticated, again, this is my thoughts, my personal thoughts. 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:36.639 I don't think the Stella is as f sophisticated as the G7 or the G6, the G7, G715 Day, because it just shows your blood sugar. 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:45.360 You don't need to track insulin, you need you don't need the you don't have a bunch of other f other functionalities that you need to do as us with type one do. 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:46.000 Right? 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:57.199 So Dexcom is trying to build all these features within the Dexcom G7 app to be able to deal with all these things that you can track within one platform. 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.679 Where the Stella, I just need my blood sugar. 00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:00.400 You know what? 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:11.840 You know one thing that does really interest me though, can you imagine taking like let's let's go back to the idea of why they're taking this data to create AI-powered features, right? 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:17.039 So like to use AI more powerful to be able to use AI. 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:17.679 Yeah. 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.440 Predict predictability and trends. 00:45:21.920 --> 00:46:02.400 It would be really cool though to see if like imagine overlaying millions and millions and millions of people on a 24-hour, you know, a 24-hour day window and what trends look like and what like you could probably find some really, really, really interesting data about blood sugars, about the way uh human, I don't want to use the word anatomy, but like, you know, just what a graph would look like on a day-to-day, times and ranges, uh, things like that, you know, time and range versus A1C, or you know, you can you can then filter it by your age and your race and your sex and your where you fuck, you can do it by where you live in the country. 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:10.239 You know, I talk about how much different my life is because I'm sweating all the time versus you guys now that got just hit

with the cold weather or whatever, you know. 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:17.679 So I you know, I I'm not as afraid of the company selling the but that that is the other thing that I like. 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:27.760 That's another thing that if you if you if to your point Dexcom says, you know, well we don't sell it to to third parties without consent, this and that. 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:42.800 That's obviously all that's obviously not that's obviously then they're just wording it a certain way, what to mean, okay, that yes, that is true, but then they'll turn around and be like, but we can just do X, then that's it. 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.800 Yeah, at the end of the day, dude, they can do whatever the hell they want with your data. 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:47.360 Correct. 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:50.880 When you opt in, regardless of what it actually says. 00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:51.679 That's exactly right. 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:52.239 100%. 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.039 But the uproar is how it was rolled out. 00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:00.719 I don't think that the uproar is about them taking your data. 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:06.320 Because if you're smart, which a lot of people aren't smart, they're taking your data anyway. 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:20.400 The uproar is the messaging that I'm I'm on day five, and all of a sudden I got this app, this update on my phone, and now I can't see my blood sugars unless I opt into something that I don't know what I'm opting into. 00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:25.119 And DEXCOM recognizes that that was a problem, that that it shouldn't have been rolled out that way. 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:26.800 They recognize that. 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:38.559 So now that we've had a week or almost a week through this, like, you know, for me, it's like it's still messed up that the way it was done. 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:40.480 I still want to know where my data is going. 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.320 Are you just sharing my data? 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:56.000 If you're sharing my data, are you just sharing my data with pump companies, with companies that you're partnering with to make my health to optimize my health, or are you selling my shit on the black market? 00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:56.480 Right? 00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.400 Not that they are, but not that they aren't. 00:47:58.480 --> 00:47:58.880 I have no idea. 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:00.880 There's nothing too selling, right? 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:01.199 Right. 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.159 I mean, I mean, you're gonna sell my blood sugar readings to on the black market? 00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:06.960 Come on. 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:08.719 Like, come on, right? 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:46.320 But if they if they're able to, and I'm not saying they can't, if they're not, if they're able to, which is one of the things I heard at the very beginning when this all came out, is not only could they look at all of your browsing history and sell that shit to marketers, to scan to people that so they can just market to you, not only could they do that, but they could also take data from other apps that are in your phone, like your photos, videos, that like voicemails, text messages. 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:51.280 What we were saying, what kind of company are people like what kind of company do you think Dexcom is? 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.159 I'm not saying that they're doing I'm not saying that that's actually happening. 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.800 I'm just saying that that's the uproar that people are having. 00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:58.719 Well then people are stupid. 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.800 But they're not stupid, Graham, because it doesn't say that it's not doing that stuff. 00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:10.480 If Dexcom is the problem is going into your photos, what companies Dexcom working with to be why would they like what do you think? 00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:12.079 Who the military? 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.159 Like, I'm I mean, it could be anybody, dude. 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:15.519 It literally could be anybody. 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:17.199 This is what it is. 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:24.639 This is my prediction or sorry, this is my assumption, but I think it actually makes a lot of sense. 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:39.119 If you take everybody's data, right, and you create your your the idea is again to stack it, they're gonna stack it on top of each other to find trends and this and that. 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:55.920 The idea is they then get a new consumer, say it's Graham Hubbard, a 40-year-old male, five foot whatever weighs this, as many, as many possible things as they can find to refine me. 00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:10.400 And in the cases where the DEXCOM isn't working, if it's gone down, they are gonna supplement that AI data into what your blood sugar would normally be. 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:12.400 So are you following what I'm saying? 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:16.159 So like I'm not following you with supplementing your okay. 00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:16.880 What do you mean? 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.199 Say my blood sugar is 140. 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:30.000 Yep, but the technology, the technology isn't good enough to consistently give me accurate blood sugars at all times. 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:39.519 They can they can supplement they can supplement AI data to say normally your blood sugar would be X. 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:41.039 Does that make sense? 00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:41.679 Yeah. 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.519 And that's what I believe they would be gathering AI. 00:50:45.599 --> 00:51:07.440 So like essentially, it would never appear that your DEXCOM is not working, it's never down because even in the moments when it's not working, there is enough AI data that is evolving and ever changing open source to tell you well, based on millions and millions of other people, this is what normally would be happening with your blood sugar. 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:08.320 Does that make sense? 00:51:08.639 -->

00:51:10.159 Yes, but here's the problem. 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:12.079 Here's the exact problem with that. 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:13.519 It's unsafe. 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.719 It not only is it unsafe, every person's different. 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:17.199 Correct. 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:20.719 How every person works, how their body works throughout the day. 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:40.559 Like that AI can't detect stress, that AI can't detect uh hormonal changes, that AI can't detect if you just put insulin in or didn't put insulin in based off of because most people don't actually put what how much insulin they're they're using periodically throughout the day and entering that data in there. 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:51.840 So that's why Dexcom needs also needs permission for people that are on pumps, needs permission to go into someone's pump and grab that data too. 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:57.039 This is what I think is this is what I think they're doing, they're grabbing this data for. 00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:57.519 Okay. 00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:04.480 The first thing I think they're grabbing this data for is like you're saying, to build AI predictive models. 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:16.320 And one of the things I heard that they're working on, which is actually pretty cool, is inside the app, they're trying to build more, a better service for nutrition. 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:16.960 Right. 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:31.440 So now what what I heard they what they were doing is you know these apps that are out there like GlucoseSense, that you can take a picture of your of whatever you're eating and then it'll give you an a pretty, pretty accurate. 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:32.400 That's dope. 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:33.920 I did not know about that now. 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:34.559 Oh yeah. 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:35.679 I'm using the app right now. 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:36.639 I use the app all the time. 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:37.840 No, I've never heard of this. 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:39.440 It's called GlucoseSense. 00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:40.960 It's it's it's incredible. 00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:46.320 So it's connect, you connect, you can in Glucose Sense is why I love GlucoseSense. 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:48.719 You can connect your Dexcom and your CGMs to it. 00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:51.360 You can connect all of your fitness and health apps to it. 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:57.920 Like if you have an app watch, a whoop, oh, an Oral Ring, a Fitbit, whatever it is, you can connect all that stuff to it. 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:10.159 So it's again, but you're it's all sharing data together, but it updates your your DEXCOM readings in the GlucoseSense app every 30 or every three hours, I think it is. 00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:13.599 And then every single day it gives you a score out of 10, right? 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:19.199 So you start at you start high depending on what your blood sugars were overnight, right? 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:25.519 So if your blood sugars are in range, they're awesome, they're stable, you could start at like an eight or a nine out of ten in the morning. 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:29.119 And then at the end of the day, you could be a three because you had so many fluctuations. 00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.760 So it takes that information, all the information from DEXCOM and gives you insights. 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:39.519 Well, it looked, it looks like here your blood sugar is spiking and it's trending to do that all the time. 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:41.840 Try these three things, right? 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.639 So now it it becomes it helps you with that. 00:53:44.880 --> 00:54:01.360 So the other thing that GlucoseSense does that I think DEXCOM is now trying to do is you can take a picture of your food and it's gonna give you a pretty accurate ratio of what your carbohydrates is and all your macro, how much protein is in it, how much fat's in it, literally by just taking a picture. 00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:12.400 And you can tell it things in the message board like, hey, this is actually X, Y, and Z, this is how many carbs this is, how much you can tell it all that stuff to make it more precise. 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:23.199 But literally, you can take a picture of something when you're out to a restaurant when you don't know what the carbohydrate ratio is, and it does a pretty good job of being pretty accurate or being pretty close to what the carbohydrate ratio is. 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.000 That's what Dexcom, I guarantee that's what Dexcom's using doing. 00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:30.239 And eventually what they could potentially do is you take a picture of your food, okay? 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:36.400 It tells you, okay, it gives you a warning message like, hey, we think it is this many carbs. 00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.679 Are you going to use that many carbs when you dose? 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:40.960 Yes or no? 00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:44.800 No, I I did the calculations, it's actually X. 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:46.079 Oh, okay, cool. 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.000 We'll we'll take that into account. 00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:51.360 And now it can share that data with the insulin pump. 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.239 Now the insulin pump becomes more intuitive. 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:58.320 Now the insulin pump becomes more becomes smarter. 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:08.559 I think that's what these that's what these companies are trying to do as DEXCOM continues to partner with other companies, like the pump companies. 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:15.760 But then here's the other on the other side of this, let's play more devil's advocate because that's fun. 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:27.199 On the other devil's advocate side of this, the other thing that I've heard that they could potentially do is build a medical profile for you as an individual. 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.960 So DEXCOM is taking all this medical data. 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:38.400 You're this tall, you're this age, you're

male, you're female, you are X, Y, and Z, blah, blah, blah. 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:53.519 It takes this information and sells it to the FDA, sells it to the government, whatever it is, sells it to a medical body, and a medical body creates a data point to you in basically saying that you are this type of individual. 00:55:53.760 --> 00:56:01.199 Now the insurance company can come back and say, oh, well, you don't qualify for this device, even though you're type one. 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:19.599 Not saying that it's going to happen, but that's the other devil's advocate thing that people are talking about with taking all of our medical data and sharing it with different companies, is we whoever it might be, can create these medical, like these avatars. 00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:20.000 Sure. 00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.440 Like I'm Ken and this is my medical avatar. 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:47.039 And because of all these data points that AI is pulling from pumps, from CGMs, from my medical history, whatever it is, because you gotta remember, like when you go to the doctor and the deck, the doctor's pulling all your medical information from DEXCOM, or your your numbers from DEXCOM, is DEXCOM also getting your medical information, your blood work, all that type of stuff from your doctor. 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:47.440 Yeah. 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:47.920 Right? 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:49.440 That could be a thing. 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:58.480 So because all this these medical data points are being shared on all these outlets, they can create an avatar for you for insulin to say you don't qualify. 00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.000 And that's some crazy shit. 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:00.719 Yeah. 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:01.519 Yeah. 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:05.599 Well, this was all this was this was an awesome conversation, dude. 00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:06.880 I want to continue with this. 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:09.679 I want to look up a couple things and loop back to this, dude. 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:10.239 Yeah. 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:10.719 Yeah. 00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:12.320 This is just the beginning, man. 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:16.000 This is gonna be going on, I think, for a while. 00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:26.000 Because I think either Dex either Dexcom after after this first rollout, either Dexcom got smart and they said, turn all this shit off. 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:30.960 No one else gets an update until we fix the messaging, until we fix this stuff. 00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:34.800 Or people are still continuing to get messages. 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.280 Well, I'll put it this way. 00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:42.559 And it's documented here, and I'm proud of us that we are fan. 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:44.079 Like you and I are not critics. 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:57.119 I think we're fans, I think we're supporters, but I think we've been we've been very honest about this for a I mean, dude, to the point where I'm off CGM, you know, like I'm a pretty good case study of what's happening in the case. 00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:59.760 But you're off of CGM, but but I would argue that you're gonna be able to do that. 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.519 It started with this, though, but you know this. 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:06.159 It started with the def it's I was like, I don't like buttons, but it's not because of the data stuff. 00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:07.840 It was because of the inaccuracy. 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:11.039 Yeah, it just but it felt it just it ha it has felt corporate. 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:12.480 It has felt corporate. 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:14.400 Well, it is, it's corporate. 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.519 Well okay, so do you feel the same way about your insulin? 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:18.159 Never works. 00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:20.000 Insulin's the same thing, corporate. 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:29.199 It was just well, you can't go without insulin, but you can see the difference to me, Graham, is I feel like the difference is you can't live without insulin. 00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:41.920 So even though it's the same thing, it's corporate, and I would argue that the pharmaceutical companies that are creating insulin, Nova Nordis, Eli Lilly, all the pharma companies that we get our insulin from, they're even worse. 00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.039 They're even worse than what DEXCOM has done. 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:46.880 Even worse. 00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:50.639 But then you're making a statement of it's a corporate thing. 00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:52.239 It's like they're even worse. 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.159 So you're gonna stop taking insulin? 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:58.800 But Ken, the difference is I could take one unit, two units, three units, four units, five units. 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:03.599 I can't when I have this app going, it's it's it's the app or nothing. 00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:04.480 It's them or nothing. 00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:06.400 And I don't I it I don't I didn't like that. 00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:10.559 I don't like that it's non we can't like negotiate a couple parameters here. 00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:14.719 But what parameters are you negotiating you denegotiate? 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.519 It started with dude, I don't want to go back over it, bro. 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.599 But you said the alarms were one of the things, but the alarms you can turn off. 00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:23.760 Well, you can readjust the alarms. 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.000 Yeah, I didn't like yeah, whatever. 00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.559 So it's the same thing to me. 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:30.400 We'll continue this conversation. 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:31.280 All right, man. 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:32.159 This has been great. 00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:33.840 Everybody, thank you so much for listening. 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:41.840 If you are new to the show, if you are new to the Healthy Diabetic Podcast, make sure that you follow the show on YouTube, on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts. 00:59:41.920 -->

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