บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Talking Golf 8-11-25

Annie 36 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:05.000 who had Top thirty five finished over the weekend as well. 37 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:07.120 He'll join us. Then, Paul, you get to introduce our 38 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:07.640 first guest. 39 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:08.280 Is he on? 40 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:12.759 We have Steve with us, very good. Steve Winsloff is 41 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:17.360 with us, who was part of the design team. Steve 42 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:21.199 Stricker also involved in that 'tis as well. Steve Winsloff, 43 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.120 one of the premiere guys in the country that does this. Steve, 44 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:30.000 Welcome to the show. We appreciate you coming on here. Steve. 45 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:33.280 The course isn't even two years old yet at this point, 46 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:35.560 but you were up here a couple of days ago 47 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:37.520 or a week or so ago and looked at it. 48 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:42.240 What's your evaluation of what you see and does it 49 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.759 fit the image of what you projected it would wind 50 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:46.280 up being. 51 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:50.080 Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. Thank you very much. 52 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:52.800 As always, I was glad to get a chance to 53 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:56.360 get back up there to see you see Wisconsin. Last 54 00:02:56.400 --> 00:03:01.120 time I was there was during the tournament weekly midweek actually, 55 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:06.039 and I mean, I think it's great to watch any 56 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:10.360 facility go from you know, the transition that it's made 57 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.000 from what it was into what it is and a 58 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:16.560 year later host a p Bay Tour champions event. That's 59 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.520 not a not an easy feat to undertake. And I 60 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:23.240 commend you know, Dennis and the whole team Eric Leonard 61 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.439 and being able to one prepare the golf course for 62 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:30.319 the membership and to ultimately get it ready to have 63 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:35.759 hosted the the American Family Insurance Championship, which from everything 64 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.879 I understand was a was a great week, and then 65 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.599 get a chance afterwards to come back and just sort 66 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:43.319 of take a look at it, see how the golf 67 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:47.960 course has recovered from the event, and ultimately take some 68 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.919 of the information that we learned from just watching the 69 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:54.680 event and getting feedback from some of the prospective players 70 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:57.800 and going around with Steve and talking about some additional 71 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:03.639 potential modifications a little cosmetic surgery, nothing major. 72

00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.240 Before we talk about the modifications. What overall was the 73 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:12.439 reaction that you've heard from wherever your sources are, be 74 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:16.879 it players, people in golf, how the word is spreading whatever. 75 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:21.920 Well, the primary source of my feedback that I received 76 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:26.399 was in person with players, going around soliciting feedback from 77 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:33.680 from players, and it was overwhelmingly positive. There wasn't actually 78 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:37.720 a negative comment to be found, either by myself or 79 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.959 Steve that I'm aware of. And I've been doing this 80 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.240 for twenty eight years and make a living making you know, 81 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:49.040 little modifications or trying to get architects to you know, 82 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:52.120 to understand the nuance of how the game is played 83 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.199 at our level, and it's a challenge trying to blend 84 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.199 the architectural side with the you know, with just the functionality. 85 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.519 I didn't, you know, not push the envelope too far, 86 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:07.720 and it was extremely satisfying to have the players express 87 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:11.639 nothing but positive feedback from their time there. And that 88 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:14.360 was during the weekend, even even post tournament. 89 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.360 Talking to Steve Winslof, one of the lead designers here 90 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:21.399 along with Steve Stricker. Steve, it's Mike Keller. Let me 91 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.560 let me ask you about you got to quote when 92 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.439 the course opened saying that in terms of how it 93 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.480 will play, it'll play like a southern United States coastal club, 94 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.439 obviously right here in Dane County. Is that how you 95 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:37.000 feel now, because now we're looking at two years later, 96 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:41.160 and how does a golf course evolve over that period 97 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.480 of time two years now, just over two years ago 98 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:44.199 it opened. 99 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.120 Yeah, I mean, really what we're striving for in the 100 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:51.079 game of golf in general. You know, the way the 101 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:54.160 game of golf was originally conceived was more of a 102 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.600 ground game than how it's evolved early and a lot 103 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.839 of Scottish links courses are still played that way. That's 104 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:05.040 the way. It's just the ground and the grasses help 105 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:09.040 to help promote that when you transition out of that 106 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.920 locale and and start moving around, you know, different countries 107 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:16.399 and different states within the US. You know, it's hard 108 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:20.279 to find sites and ultimately be able to do that. 109 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:23.160 And here we started on a swampy site. I'll call 110 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.040 it swampy at that time. You know, obviously it's surrounded 111 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:30.360 by by beautiful Cherokee marsh, you know, and uh, it 112 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.319 just just wants to try to revert back that way 113 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:36.120 so to be able to to modify that and rectify 114 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:39.040 that condition and be able to find you know, a 115 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.439 great glacier sand underneath the underneath that peat moss that 116 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.120 was there and put that back on the surface to 117 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.759 create firm conditions to allow a game to be played 118 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:51.519 that way, you know, by those who choose to play 119 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:54.680 it is great and that hand helps handle all the 120 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.639 foot traffic, cart traffic, maintenance equipment, you know, and and 121 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.360 the way the golf courses are played and maintained today. 122 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:05.879 And one of the main things that that Steve promoted, 123 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.199 you know, in this design process that he wanted to 124 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:14.519 bring to the membership into his membership is ground game 125 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.720 around the greens complexes themselves and you know, runoffs coming 126 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.720 off the greens into these closely mown areas surrounding the 127 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:24.319 greens and the type of recovery shots that can be 128 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.399 played at both the professional level and the amateur level, 129 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:34.560 and those closely mown areas typically play more challenging for 130 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.600 the professional golfer because there's so many different ways they 131 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:42.160 can execute that recovery shot and really helps promote different 132 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:45.680 opportunities for the amateur golfer as well as they can 133 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:47.680 put it, they can hit a three wood, whatever they can, 134 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.600 they can you know, help recover from those areas as well. 135 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:55.279 Steve, I think that you kind of jumped me on 136 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:57.839 my next question, but let me ask about the collaboration 137 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.800 on the Green complex. Is it Steve Stricker certainly wanted that. 138 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:05.480 Then how do you work in design collaboration? We're talking 139 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.519 about

three four years ago or further than that, going 140 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:12.319 back in time to make sure that your expertise and 141 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:17.279 his desire come together and are congruent in what you 142 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:17.879 want to get. 143 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.000 Yeah, it's just spending a lot of time with him 144 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:25.079 and talking about differing clubs that he's played, courses he's 145 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:27.600 played that at the effect of what he was trying 146 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:32.279 to create, what's prevalent, and I can analyze that and 147 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:36.279 understand that take the information that we have, statistical information, 148 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:39.759 we've had feedback that we've gotten from from other courses 149 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:41.840 that have been built and have been played on the 150 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:46.039 various tours to understand those nuances, Like there's a certain 151 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.639 certain degree of slope coming off of a green that 152 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:56.080 if it's too steep, you're there's really only one type 153 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.320 of recovery shot and that's over that slope onto the 154 00:08:59.320 --> 00:08:59.960 putting surface. 155 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:00.799 But if the. 156 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:05.120 Slope is long enough, gentle enough, then you can bump 157 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:08.000 a shot into the slope and release onto the putting surface. 158 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.440 There's different ways to hit that recovery shot. If it's 159 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.720 too soft, then basically anybody can just put up the 160 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.799 slope as well. So he's just trying to go through 161 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.159 through his mind of where he's played and different attributes 162 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:23.039 to different courses that he wanted to try to project 163 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:24.559 their at Deep Sea Wisconsin. 164 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:27.440 Steve, I remember a couple of years ago when we 165 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:31.200 had you on the show, and obviously the actual course 166 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.399 construction hadn't been begun at that particular point, and I 167 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.600 remember asking you a question and what kind of a 168 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:41.759 course is it? And that type of thing, and you 169 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:44.480 said number one. As we were landlocks or we had 170 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.679 to rebuild it within the confines of what we had. 171 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:56.559 And you said two things about it. One is you say, 172 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.240 made many many golf courses in America. You said, they 173 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.759 have a whole or two where you just grip it 174 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.799 and rip it, don't worry about it. And number two 175 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:07.960 is you're going to have to think on every shot. 176 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.840 And at the time I thought, hmm, that's kind of interesting. 177 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:17.159 You know what he achieved that. 178 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.799 Thanks, Yeah, you know, one of the things there is is, yeah, 179 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.480 we you know, we went into the permit process with 180 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:28.600 a few few sort of bigger thoughts about how to 181 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.039 sort of potentially reroute the golf course, recreate the marshes 182 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:36.320 and wetland areas. You know, ended up where we did, 183 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:38.919 which was, you know, sort of sticking with more of 184 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:44.240 what was existing out there and and enhancing those existing wetlands, 185 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.600 which meant and the golf corridors for the most part, 186 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:51.639 stayed where they were, and those golf corridors were relatively 187 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:55.639 sort of straight golf corridors, So the whole still today 188 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:59.519 Peter Green are relatively straight, but features that you can 189 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:03.120 put in between the two points, you can help to 190 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.000 create sort of a fair way that moves left to right, 191 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.919 right to left, sometimes both different directions to get a 192 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.080 player to think about hitting a left to right t 193 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.039 shot or right to left approach shot. And it's just 194 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.480 the features that you can build into that ground plane 195 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:21.720 to try to help change some of the straight straightness 196 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:23.120 of the existing corridors out there. 197 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:25.960 Tis let me ask you a question on the evolution 198 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.960 of a golf course. This golf course is literally two 199 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:32.759 years and ten days old from the time it opened. 200 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:36.200 Golf courses evolve over time. How will this evolve? 201 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:37.519 Well? 202 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.840 I like what Steve and Steve are doing. Yeah, they're 203 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:47.320 coming together and putting these little tweaks together. But the 204 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:50.039 greatest part about it is that you know, every time 205 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:51.519 Steve would come out here, it cost. 206 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:53.200 Me fifty grand with Steve. 207 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.080 Between west Off and Steve. Now they got to figure 208 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.600 it out where Steve's fan. So if I kind of 209 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:01.519 like it, I kind of like it the way it is. 210 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.399 But some of the

little tweaks that we're doing now 211 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:08.120 are going to be really good. And they've already made 212 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:12.360 some major tweaks on this thing. But if you know, 213 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.480 to move three hundred and fifty thousand cubic yards of 214 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:19.919 dirt and get it to look like this phenomenal. We 215 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:23.240 had all this rain. Other courses in the area were closed, 216 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:27.039 some aren't going to open up till Friday. We had 217 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:31.919 carts out yesterday yesterday, right after it rained. So they 218 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:36.639 did a phenomenal job in taking this thing. And the 219 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.320 other part is is that and I kind of feel 220 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:44.600 bad about this. Friends of Cherokee Marsh and those people 221 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:47.879 that we did this work for. These people did a 222 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:51.320 phenomenal job and containing the water, making sure it comes 223 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:54.519 back here water leaving water to clarity level is better 224 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:59.559 than it was in nineteen sixty eight. That the administration, 225 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:04.440 those people here never once, never once said anything positive 226 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.759 about why we started this to begin with, which was 227 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.360 the environmental concept. And when we talked to Steve, Steve, 228 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:14.559 to Steve Winslow, he did this work up in Blaine 229 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:20.600 very much the same. And I'm opened that somewhere along 230 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.519 the line before too long all the people that are 231 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.200 affected by what we've done here come out and say 232 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:27.360 what a good job was done. 233 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:30.559 Good luck with that way, by the way, I know it, 234 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.759 I know it, I know Steve. If you can, and Dennis, 235 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:36.799 what are the small tweaks you're talking about you mind. 236 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:38.039 Talking about it. We're not going to tell you. 237 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:38.919 We're not telling us. 238 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.279 Maybe Steve will tell us. Maybe Steve will tell you. 239 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:47.840 Well, number one on whole, Number one, I'm we're going 240 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:51.679 to take the mounds on the right and reduce them 241 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:54.799 so it's more of a straight fairway shot there. 242 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:55.879 Yeah, well. 243 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:59.679 Where time landing areas. 244 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:04.240 Yeah, we get over to number six, we're talking about 245 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:09.200 putting another T in in front of the existing back 246 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:12.799 t's short

of the water. It'll be about thirty five 247 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:16.200 yards shorter, which would be pretty good, and positions such 248 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:19.240 of the fairway, even though it works out, opens up better. 249 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.039 Number twelve, increasing the setup flexibility just through the width 250 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:27.559 of the water body between our championship te's and the 251 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:29.600 number t's right. 252 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:31.639 Number twelve, this is the one. 253 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:34.679 A lot of people are interested in number twelve right now. 254 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.440 Waiting to hear we're going to widen the water so you. 255 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:42.519 Can't just for you, they're going to move the left 256 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.960 handed t's further back ball. 257 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.559 But no, seriously, a lot of golfers, right, a lot 258 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:49.279 of golfers have questions. 259 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.039 We want to take out the trap on the right. 260 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.080 That's not what they're talking about they're talking about the 261 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.799 number three T. For a lot of people, it's difficult 262 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:58.000 to hit it across the water. 263 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.440 Then hit it short. I know, I know, the hell's 264 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:00.840 a problem. 265 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:03.799 Were they were hoping to hear that there might be 266 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.720 a tea? They just move up to move up to 267 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:10.240 the five T. About twenty got to carry it. 268 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.320 There's two more I think, more options. 269 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.799 And we're thinking about I think we're thinking about doing 270 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:18.960 something with the bunker on the left. 271 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:23.200 Maybe we're still going back and forth now, but the 272 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:27.440 main thing is is we'll create Yeah, the premise behind 273 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:31.000 these modifications actually is is you know where we may 274 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.480 have gone just a little too far in the design 275 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.200 and just dialing it back just a little bit, making 276 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:39.720 a little bit more playable. And so the twelfth eliminating 277 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:42.840 the right bunker hiding the fairway. So when you do 278 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.679 make it across the creek, you gotta the water target 279 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:46.399 to land into. 280 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:48.639 Just hit it short. That's one hundred and eighty hours. 281 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:51.080 But what you need to do is extend that number 282 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:54.279 three and t abot ten yards up toward the water. 283 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.480 Just move up the four. That's a whole different hole. 284 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.840 Number thirteen. You know it's not made for left handers. 285 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:07.120 That's the problem, you know, you know number thirteen. We 286 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.559 want to put a bunker in the back left hand 287 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:13.600 corner kind of right across from the more of a 288 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:14.679 vision bunker more. 289 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.000 Than any back left green screen side bunker for a 290 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:18.639 for a left for the back left pen. 291 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:19.519 Yeah. 292 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.240 Yeah, that'll be pretty good. And there's one more now 293 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.000 I had it before and I forgot about it happens. 294 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:26.879 To be on you know, you want me to refresh 295 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:27.440 your memory? 296 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:32.600 Which after thirteen what after third three holds later. 297 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.039 We talked about sixteen sixteen. 298 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.320 Yeah, we're going to fix the bunkers on the left 299 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:41.919 to make them a little bit wider. 300 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.759 Yeah, we're gonna we'll actually widen the approach a little 301 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:49.399 bit more. As Steve watched shots from his piers get up, 302 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:51.720 you know, try to get up on that putting surface 303 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.639 the way he was canted, just felt they need a 304 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:57.960 little bit more room up there. So again another player 305 00:16:58.159 --> 00:16:59.840 friendly little modification. 306 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:00.919 Good. 307 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:03.840 We'll be the plan for the next rays of two 308 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:04.759 hundred bucks a month. 309 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:07.200 Oh is that what you're doing? Boy? 310 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:10.880 I'll get so many texts on. 311 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:15.079 That one listener feedback and three two one. 312 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.079 This will be pretty these are pretty good. You know, 313 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.319 we're really touching it up and it's scared. It's it's 314 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:25.400 really going to it's there's a big benefit to our 315 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.480 member average player, because you know, it's not a course 316 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:30.240 for everybody. 317 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:31.400 Yeah, it is kind of. 318 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:33.680 Trying to tell you that every time we talk about it. 319 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:35.839 Well, I'm telling them what this one guy told me. 320 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.839 You know, Steve has a guy played here in an 321 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:44.119 outing here yesterday or this past weekend, and he numbers 322 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.000 his golf balls one through twenty five. 323 00:17:48.400 -->

00:17:50.960 No, no he didn't. He was. He lost twenty four 324 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.680 last year. This year only lost fifteen. 325 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:54.720 Oh he got better. 326 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:57.839 Well, these guys are unbelievable. 327 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:01.559 Ste Steve's love. Let me finish with it. Just a 328 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.799 sense of when you were back on site when that happens, 329 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:08.319 and that happened obviously earlier this spring. The sense of 330 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.880 pride you have on a project that you could get 331 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.039 to revisit for years, to come to come back and 332 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.640 see what was in the imagination and the creativity, and 333 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.200 then to see it being played and being enjoyed and 334 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.000 to revisit How cool is that for you? 335 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:26.960 Oh, it's awesome. And that's that's you know, that's why 336 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.720 we do. What we do in the golf course design 337 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:34.160 businesses is you know, put put take, take one hundred 338 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:37.119 and two hundred acres of land and put a recreational 339 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:39.160 sport on it that people can go out and enjoy 340 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:43.079 the outdoors. You know, in that area of Madison, you know, 341 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.319 it was great, you know, old Cherokee Marsh area surrounding it. 342 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:48.759 And just to be able to see, you know, when 343 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.359 I first worked in Blaine, that Minnesota that Dennis had 344 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.200 just mentioned, I did understand growing up in South Florida, 345 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:01.119 the dynamics of the outdoor life to people who live, 346 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:03.319 you know, in the upper parts of the United States, 347 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.839 and to see how it how it is, and they 348 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:08.119 all love the outdoors. It doesn't matter sometimes where there's 349 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:10.519 winter time, they still like the outdoors and go sit 350 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:13.240 in ice chalet and go fishing. Now that doesn't quite 351 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.319 entice me. You haven't quite ticed me yet the winner 352 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.200 up that way. But to see everybody you know enjoying 353 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.359 the outdoors out there, that's what it's all about. And 354 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:23.920 you know, and it's tough when you look at what 355 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.920 we do is we're taking literally and thinking about every 356 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:30.680 square foot of this case. Here one hundred and fifty 357 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.599 some odd acres and trying to think about how to read, 358 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:38.319 contort from what it was, and repurpose it strategically. You know, 359 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:40.759 sometimes it's not easy to do. You get hopefully, you know, 360 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:42.119 you hope you get most of it right. In this 361 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.039 case here, I think we got a lot of it right. 362 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.880 It was actually just that PPC Sawgrass today out with 363 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:50.240 Davis Love going around the golf course there, and he 364 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:52.400 talked to me how much he really liked it. And 365 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.599 you know the feedback actually, you know that we got 366 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.640 for we actually got some feedback from him on that 367 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:01.319 first hole from what he you watch from his PRORAM 368 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:03.759 guess when he played in the program, So he gave 369 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.640 some of that feedback to Steve there is leading to 370 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:08.480 the modification on the first hole. 371 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.559 Mister Hiller, right, I'm very positive. 372 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:12.279 I believe. 373 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:17.240 So it's your show, Steve, with golf in the future, 374 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:20.440 as you look in your crystal ball and look at 375 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.960 it from the design standpoint of golf courses, what do 376 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:28.039 you see as one of the biggest challenges you will have? 377 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.160 And I will use as an example number two here, 378 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:34.960 which is a par five. Apparently within the last week 379 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:39.240 somebody hit a drive and a pitching wedge on a 380 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:43.440 par five. What does that do to designing golf courses 381 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:44.160 of the future. 382 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:52.240 Makes you again think about how you contour the ground, 383 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:57.200 you know, and it's hard sometimes when you've got constraints left, 384 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:01.720 constraints right, how vertical you can go and you don't 385 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.240 want to make it over the penal, you know, and 386 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:07.480 the fact that they you know what they've hopefully scored 387 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:11.720 a hopefully you know, with those two shots versus part it. 388 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:14.200 But yeah, that's but that's what the game of golf 389 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.039 is about in the end, is the dynamics of the 390 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.960 highs and the lows, you know, between evil opportunities and 391 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:23.559 the par five and you know, bogie's and risk rewards, 392 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:26.279 and we wanted that par five there to to give 393 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:29.720 you a little bit more risk in going for it, 394 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.720 which it does. But you know, the

dynamic is hard, 395 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:36.400 and especially in the world that that I live and 396 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:39.839 you know, working and watching the best players in the 397 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:44.599 world execute their skill set. But yet know that when 398 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.039 they leave the week after, you you know, the regular 399 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.480 amateur golfers returned back to that golf course and you've 400 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:54.119 got to try to find the balance between the two. 401 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:57.400 It needs to be fair and playable and enjoyable for 402 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:01.279 the business purpose of the venue. But yet you know, 403 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:04.359 try to exact a challenge for the best players in 404 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.920 the world. And the way I like to focus on 405 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.039 it is actually on the agronomics side that you know, 406 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.480 there's certain pendulums that you can push, and if you 407 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:17.000 push the design too far, then the agronomics can't go 408 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:21.720 too far. Otherwise you go off the cliff. But if 409 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.640 I take the design tone it back a little bit 410 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:27.640 and you let the agonomics can ebb and tide with, 411 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.759 they can peak when the best players in the world 412 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:32.240 are there, and then you can dial it back a 413 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.599 little bit for the amateur guess and make it more playable. 414 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:39.119 So to me, that's sort of my design philosophy I 415 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:44.400 try to take and preaches don't push the design to 416 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:47.319 the edge because then there's very little flexibility and what 417 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:51.359 you can do with the aconomics side of it. 418 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:54.039 Steve, what a pleasure to visit with you again. Thanks 419 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:56.240 for jumping in with us on this Monday night, and 420 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:57.599 we'll look forward to the next time we get to 421 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:57.920 do it. 422 00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:58.519 Thanks Steve. 423 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:05.000 Steve Winslow, one of the course designers here at TPC Wisconsin. 424 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:08.079 It did open. It opened two years and ten days ago. 425 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:11.480 That crazy is there's some different there's some different things 426 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:18.400 that are happening with this course. It's a tournament course. Yeah, 427 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:22.839 the senior tournament is a nice tournament, but it's not 428 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:26.440 the tournament. And I think what you're going to see 429 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:31.960 coming forward is the quasi approached of a different type 430 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:37.319 of event that would be here. Cannot do it now, 431 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:40.279 but I'll tell you what over the next ten years. 432 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:42.519 Yeah, it'll be a different type of deal. 433 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.240 That's called the radio teas for a golf course right there. 434 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.240 And I don't know when we get to pay off 435 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:51.960 the teas, but it's not maybe we get coming up next. 436 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:53.759 Maybe we'll get our jobs back. 437 00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:54.519 Yep. 438 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:57.119 Maybe the operative word was maybe maybe is right. 439 00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.920 Gary Demato is set to join us when we come 440 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:02.559 come back. This is talking golf at TPC Wisconsin. 441 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:04.960 Your golf game need to pick me up. It's one 442 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.119 stop shopping all the in Avata. 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Joel? 500 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.000 Your game, your store always at the best price. 501 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:15.440 We can. 502 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:17.880 You have it more fun during the break than we 503 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:18.559 sometimes do. 504 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.559 I think we ought to broadcast the break. 505 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.119 I've said that for years my statewide daily talk, so 506 00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:27.680 if we broadcast the commercial breaks, we'd have something going on. 507 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:32.440 Gary Dematto from Wisconsin Dot Golf joins us. Well, Gary, 508 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:34.599 let's get an update. I know you haven't been feeling 509 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.119 very well, but what have you done since your lesson 510 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.519 last Monday? You are you richer, more money in your 511 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:41.440 in your pocket. 512 00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:44.599 I did go to the I did go to the 513 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.160 range and practice, and it's a move that Dennis taught 514 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:49.880 me that's going to take some time, I think, to 515 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:54.599 become sort of ingrained or natural. It feels feel strange 516 00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:56.680 when I do it right, but that's probably alway should 517 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.119 because I've been doing it wrong for so long. And 518 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.640 went out and a couple of days ago and played 519 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:05.240 pretty good until the last three holes, I kind of 520 00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:09.440 ran out of steam. But I definitely see some progress 521 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.240 and I'm really happy about that. 522 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.279 Gary, let me ask you the current question. The southeastern 523 00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:22.720 Wisconsin just had incredible record historic reigns over the last 524 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.279 three days, and my guess is that there are a 525 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:29.480 bunch of golf courses in the southeast corridor around Milwaukee 526 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.920 that are really having to dig out. 527 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.720 Yeah, for sure, I mean, we have to put this 528 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:40.160 in perspective. First, there are people who have lost their 529 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.680 homes everything in their homes, or people who have been 530 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:46.240 had to be rescued from floodwaters, way more important than 531 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.839 what happens to a golf course. But having said that, yeah, yeah, 532 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.200 like the devastation to the golf courses, to a

bunch 533 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.880 of them in southeastern Wisconsin is just it's indescribable. If 534 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.079 you go to Wisconsin dot Golf and go to the 535 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:03.279 sweet Spot column, we've posted a sort of a gallery 536 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.440 of photos from around southeast from Wisconsin some of the 537 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.039 flood damage on these courses, and some of them are 538 00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:10.200 just I mean underwater. 539 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:10.799 I mean. 540 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:13.720 It's hard for me to believe that some of these 541 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.319 courses would be ready to be played in a week 542 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.240 or two. I think it's going to take some time 543 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.240 to get all the water out of there and get 544 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.000 the turf back so that it's you know, it's not 545 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:24.519 just completely soaked. 546 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:29.039 'tis? The golf community is always taken care of one another. 547 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:35.480 I'm sure you've gone through significant storm damage historically here 548 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.599 and and I've seen others have to deal with it. 549 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.359 How can they help one another in the golf course 550 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:44.960 community as to what's going on in the Milwaukee area. 551 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.079 Well, it's already happening. 552 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:50.319 You're getting golf superintendents because of their association. Well, share workers, 553 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:55.079 we'll share equipment, and some of these head people will 554 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:58.400 make a trip down to go ahead and to augment 555 00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.920 the decisions that are it made. But it's a pull 556 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:06.160 together that group, the Grease Pretendants Association. Very good group. 557 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:11.880 It's too bad though that I'm hearing that there are 558 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:17.359 nobody in the agronomy school at the university. So something 559 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.599 isn't right now this whole deal, you know, And you know, 560 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:23.079 I look at that and I'm saying, just a matter 561 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.880 of time before you know, I guess that. 562 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.279 Can more damage be done in a storm like this 563 00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:34.640 with the rains or in a significant winter is one 564 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.119 of a greater concern in the golf course industry. 565 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.640 No, not in the wintertime, because you know that the 566 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:46.680 ground temperature gets down below forty eight, nothing's growing. It'll 567 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.680 happen in the spring. However, if in fact you have 568 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:54.599 snow late and the snow repell or the snowmall preventive 569 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.960 that you put on wears out, then you may get some. 570 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.279 But you know, the nice part about grass rows back, sure, 571 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.960 and that is the thing here. But you know, when 572 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:08.000 you do water damage like this, you know you're really 573 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.039 ruining that grass of an opportunity to grow back. But 574 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:16.079 back to your question, this group Green superintendents, I mean, 575 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:22.519 we have them contacted here and make sure that golf 576 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.200 is taken care of. That's number one, and they really 577 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:29.079 have that. It's amazing, even though they are big and 578 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.920 there's agronomy big in their golf courses, how much they're 579 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:37.240 geared towards golf in general as a as a as 580 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:37.720 a sport. 581 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:38.279 Gary. 582 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.720 I heard on one radio station out of Milwaukee, and 583 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.440 I cannot confirm this, but they talked about the fact 584 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.000 that eight courses over there were underwater. 585 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.359 Is that even close to being true? 586 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.759 I think it's probably more than that, Paul. You know 587 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:58.079 they're throw out Monomine falls, throw Waukeshaw into Milwaukee, and 588 00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:03.640 then you know east towards the lake. Just really devastation 589 00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.680 in terms of flooding. Wisconsin Country Club. We're supposed to 590 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.400 have a semi finals and final of the Milwaukee District 591 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:13.880 Golf Association matchic Play Championship. They got twelve and a 592 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.240 half inches of rain and they had obviously had a postpone. 593 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.440 But you're seeing double digit inches of rainfall in some 594 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:26.200 of these areas and rivers overflowing, and it's just it's 595 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.720 been catastrophic, and I just I feel for the people 596 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.359 who are struggling now, who have lost all their possessions 597 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:37.519 and flooded basements and cars, you know, being completely submerged. 598 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.240 It's just it's amazing what's happened here in the last 599 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:40.720 few days. 600 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.440 Gary, let me finish on this, and I know that 601 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.160 you had sent me a note on a couple of 602 00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.480 things that we were talking about. You've spent some time 603 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.599 up at Sand Valley and talked about

playing Lido, and 604 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.920 it appears it sounds like they're not anywhere near being 605 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:59.880 done on the number of courses and the expanse of 606 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.920 that development. How far can they go? 607 00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.279 You know, that's a really good question. I think you know, 608 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.519 the demand is going to dictate, Mike, you know how 609 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:10.799 much golf they build. But they own fifteen thousand acres 610 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.519 right now, we're just under fifteen thousand acres. You can 611 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.799 put a lot of golf courses on fifteen thousand acres. 612 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.480 And not only that, but Michael Kaiser told me that 613 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.160 their goal is to own one hundred thousand acres in 614 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:26.440 the central sand Bear until Wisconsin, and he's talking about 615 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.240 five or six more golf courses, which would bring the 616 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.680 total to you know, ten or eleven golf courses, which 617 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.160 would make it one of the biggest golf resorts in 618 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.200 the world right here in central Wisconsin. And he also 619 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:41.039 told me he wouldn't be surprised if other developers come 620 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:42.920 in that part of the state and build you know, 621 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.759 resource golf because they're surrounded by two million acres of 622 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.440 sand and we all know that it's you know, sand 623 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:53.359 is the best you know, terrain and topography to grow 624 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.440 grants on and to build golf courses on. So I 625 00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:58.440 think there's going to be a lot in twenty five years, 626 00:33:58.440 --> 00:33:59.880 we're going to see a lot more golf in that 627 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:00.599 part of the state. 628 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.400 Does that surprise you, No, not at all, especially when 629 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.119 you get a guy like that that has the vision 630 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:13.199 the financial capability to do that. However, you know, you 631 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.480 have to be a little bit careful of number of 632 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.679 people to keep it going. They are not going to 633 00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:22.039 get all the business, and there's only so much of 634 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.079 that that's going to happen. And the other side is, 635 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:29.440 as you go further north, you know, June, July, August, 636 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.199 and September. Here you go sixteen weeks trying to make 637 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.519 a living. Now, the big item there is he sells 638 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.239 and where you make the money is in the rental 639 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.159 property where people are staying. 640 00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:44.119 Sure, and there's no question about that that the. 641 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.199 Courses are like a bag pile, right, and a bag 642 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.280 pile that everybody comes with the place to stay. But 643 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.679 he's a friend, and uh, he's probably one of the 644 00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:59.679 best golf course developers that I've talked to over the years. 645 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.960 Uh yeah, and he uh and he's really good, you know, 646 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:08.480 there's just no doubt about it, you know. Uh, Jack Guardian, 647 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.320 Jack Guardian's another one. These are great guys from a 648 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.880 possible for doing that. And so I'm sure that he's 649 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.280 looked at it. He's not stupid by any means, a 650 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:22.320 very bright guy that he'll get it. But you know 651 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:27.039 people are it's maybe you're gonna quit going up sure 652 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.800 forty three and and come on over here. Maybe next thing, 653 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.000 you know, you're gonna get the water and stuff like that. 654 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.800 But uh, it's what's really good about it is it's 655 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.800 picked up all the courses around him because people come there. 656 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:41.679 Well, why don't we do it? 657 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:46.440 Yes, other places to do, right, Gary, We will check 658 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:48.639 him with you again one final time a week from 659 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.239 now and then Paul Brown. Paul doesn't even know this, 660 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.320 but but we're gonna pick a Tuesday in September and 661 00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:57.639 have you come here, and Paul Brown and you and 662 00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.320 I will go out and we'll even invite Dennis right 663 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.000 on the cart to laugh at us a little bit. 664 00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:03.599 Play around golf again. 665 00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:04.639 I get a stroke ahole. 666 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:05.960 Here we go. 667 00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.079 I get a stroke hole, right, I get a stroke hole. 668 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:10.599 The cheating is already. 669 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:16.760 Happy goodness. Yeah, thank you. We'll talk to you next week. Mario, 670 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.639 Mario Tizzioni is hanging in the wings. He'll be on 671 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:21.519 with us when we come back. 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Loosen up by 727 00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:22.199 picking up some Lombardi Lemanada today at your local festival 728 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:31.599 foods and make any time feel like summertime with Lombardi Lemonada. 729 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:37.760 Back on, guys, O the time. It's so good. I 730 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.960 imagine our next guest has heard some of the things 731 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:41.360 we just heard during a commercial. 732 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:42.440 He's not surprised. 733 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:43.400 Why anything is. 734 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.719 Dad, Mario Tiziani. Mario, thanks for spending time with us. 735 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.360 You can imagine what a commercial break is like here 736 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:51.239 with your dad. 737 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.440 I only imagine, Yeah. 738 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:58.000 Yeah, we'll take it no further. Appreciate you spending some 739 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.199 time with us, always paying attention to what you're doing 740 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:05.360 on tour. Sixty eight, seventy three, seventy two over the weekend, 741 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.679 a finish at a time for thirtieth give us a 742 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.280 sense of where you are in your game as we 743 00:40:12.320

--> 00:40:16.199 get this deep into the month of August. And if 744 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.119 if a weekend like that pleases you, disappoints you, leaves 745 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.119 you wanting for more, how do you how do you 746 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:23.360 come out of a weekend like that? 747 00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:31.280 Yeah, no, I'm not super happy. It was uh yeah, 748 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.039 you know, my game has been pretty good. I've kind 749 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.880 of found a way to kind of mess it up 750 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:41.119 here and there, but I guess that's golf. But I'm 751 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:43.400 doing a lot of good things. I'm not I'm doing 752 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.840 a lot of the kind of the little easy things 753 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:51.599 not well, making a lot of bogies with you know, wedges, 754 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.280 things like that, which which is not In fact, I 755 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:57.639 made a triple last week with it. 756 00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:58.199 It was a. 757 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.159 Pitching wedge actually, So yeah, I'm doing some things like 758 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.320 that that are not not leaving a good taste in 759 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:06.920 my mouth. But at the same time, I'm doing some 760 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.079 good things too. So yeah, I'm I'm excited to play 761 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.880 again this week. I'm up in Canada, and you know, 762 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.559 I played well here last year. And hopefully put it 763 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.599 all together. But yeah, I think it's it's close. It's 764 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:20.679 I feel like it's close. 765 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:22.599 Mario. 766 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.840 You've been around pro golfers for a long time now 767 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:28.199 in your career playing and that is a caddy and 768 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:29.000 that kind of thing. 769 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:30.320 Is it. 770 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:32.639 Do any of them intimidate you? Or have you been 771 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.599 around long enough to just deal with it? How is 772 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.440 it not only having been a caddy but now as 773 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.239 a player in terms of the competition and the players. 774 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.599 No, I'm not intimidated at all. 775 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:47.400 No. 776 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.440 I enjoy playing with the guys and and my game 777 00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:53.239 stacks up to anybody out there really when I'm playing well, 778 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:56.400 and you know they're not judging I'm not judging it. It 779 00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:00.159 doesn't you know, it doesn't really work like that. Okay, No, 780 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.000 I'm not intimidated at all. I know that my my 781 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.119 good golf is as good as anybody when it's there. 782 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.159 It's just not there as much. I've played with a 783 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:14.639 lot of great players, and no, I'm not intimidated at all. 784 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:15.360 I don't. 785 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.199 I don't haven't. We're talking about that. 786 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.079 We were talking about that before the show a little bit, 787 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:26.639 and your dad mentioned that, and he said, you're there's 788 00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:30.519 no question. With the answer to that, there was no question. 789 00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:33.079 I wasn't here for that conversation, but I might have 790 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:36.599 guessed that too. When you get pairings, are there certain 791 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.400 pairings that you get more excited for. I don't know 792 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:46.719 how much a conversationalist you are when you're playing competitive rounds, 793 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.800 but are there certain players that you enjoy being around 794 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:51.039 on the golf course more? 795 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:52.719 Uh? 796 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.320 Yeah, there is. You know, I'm a fan of the game, right, 797 00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:00.000 So I've played with on Hell Cabrera again. Last week, 798 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.400 I played with him probably five or six times, and 799 00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.840 he's one of the best players I've ever played with. 800 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:10.119 And I and I didn't see him in his prime, 801 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.079 but he's he's really good and just the way he 802 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:21.159 plays the game. He hits it hard, he's got great hands, 803 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:25.760 he's aggressive, he's a heck of a good guy. I 804 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.679 really like playing with him. I just he's just he's 805 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.760 a bit of a swashbuckler and he just plays hard 806 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:33.679 and and gets the ball in the hole and he 807 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:37.599 has bad shots, but he's fascinating guy to play with. 808 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:41.159 I mean, I just think he's he's literally one of 809 00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.239 the best best golfers I've ever played with. And I 810 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:48.039 love playing with him, and and you know there's other 811 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.960 guys too that played great, but for whatever reason, I 812 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.239 really like playing with him. I just think he's really 813 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:55.159 really good at golf. 814 00:43:56.679 --> 00:44:00.920 I saw your your brother in law, Steve, working a 815 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.639 little bit with Nikki this morning, and we're all been 816 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.440 pulling for him. I know he had a procedure and 817 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.480 is moving better. How much conversation have you had with 818 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.559 him and the

struggles away from the game this summer 819 00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:15.239 for him. 820 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:17.039 Yeah, I have. 821 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.400 I had a lot, you know, the last since he 822 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:24.719 got that surgery on Tuesday, and I haven't seen him 823 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:30.159 in person, but just in his his voice, how much 824 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.519 different it is since the surgery, how much happier he 825 00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.679 is already. I mean, he's a positive guy as we 826 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.719 all know. But me, even at the Anthiam Championship, he 827 00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.960 just yeah, you could tell he just wasn't himself and 828 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.199 it was a drag and he didn't want to be 829 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.400 out there only because he couldn't play up to his potential. 830 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.000 I shouldn't he didn't want to be out there. He did, 831 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:54.639 he wanted to be out there, but he wanted to 832 00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.639 be at his best and he just wasn't and he 833 00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.400 couldn't and I think, yeah, I think just he's he 834 00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:06.320 was frustrated, and yeah, he just seems so much better 835 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.639 since Tuesday. Already just excited to be kind of mobile, 836 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:13.280 a little bit more mobile and feeling feeling better just 837 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.280 a week week after the procedure. 838 00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:20.320 Mario, you're involved with Steve as his representative and that 839 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:24.840 type of thing. You've got a successful career outside of playing. 840 00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:28.480 Now you're playing, Uh, how's the balance of that going? 841 00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.079 And uh, do you any have any future thoughts on 842 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:33.719 where this goes? 843 00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:34.519 This whole thing? 844 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.679 Yeah, I wish I knew you know this. This golf 845 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.519 part is, you know, there's not there's not much of 846 00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.119 a of a of a crystal ball. Really, they kind 847 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.679 of you know, the way the tours run, you have 848 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.480 to play well to play next year. And and really, 849 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.920 I mean even if I won, I really only have 850 00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:58.920 next year. So they really don't They really don't give 851 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.840 you much of a much of away. So yeah, I'm 852 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.159 just playing, having fun. I'm trying to do the best 853 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:08.320 I can. I'm working hard, and you know, we'll see, 854 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:10.199 we'll see what happens. I mean, I need to get 855 00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:12.000 going a little bit. I don't know how much more 856 00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.679 I'm going to get in, So yeah, I've got every 857 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.440 week's important and who knows, you know, it could be 858 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:20.440 could be all done at the end of this year, 859 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.000 but it is what it is, you know. I just 860 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.920 I can only only take care of what's in front 861 00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:30.480 of me and and you know, my play and where 862 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.760 I finish will dictate what happens next year. 863 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.480 Mario. It's interesting and curious as to your response on this. 864 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.079 We we dovetailed the Scotti Scheffler's comments a few weeks 865 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.199 ago at the Open Championship and had a little bit 866 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.679 of that conversation with Nicky and then with Bobby and 867 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.840 your dad has weighed in on not letting the game 868 00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.119 of golf define you, which is really difficult for all 869 00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.480 of us, whether you're a nine handicap or or you're 870 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.039 playing on the PGA Tour champions to not let the 871 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.480 game define you. How difficult is that as a process 872 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.880 for somebody that kind of does it for a living. 873 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.559 Yeah, I think it's hard. I mean, this is all 874 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:23.800 we've really done, right, is golf, And I don't I 875 00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.800 don't think that I'm concerned of how people see me 876 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:32.960 as a golfer, But like myself, it's how I define myself. 877 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:37.480 I think you know how I play, and you know 878 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:41.079 how I stack up against everybody else is how I 879 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.800 define myself as a golfer. And you know, if I'm 880 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.920 successful or not now as a person, you know, I 881 00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.360 don't it doesn't define me as who I am as 882 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:53.840 a person, right for sure. I don't know if I'm 883 00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:56.360 answering a question, But yeah, I think it's hard to 884 00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:01.000 just just say, you know, what I finished thirtieth, You know, 885 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.800 it doesn't matter. I I'm pissed and and I want 886 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.239 and I'm better than that, and I want to work 887 00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.039 hard and I want to you know, I want to 888 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.280 get to the next week and I can't wait for Friday, 889 00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:13.559 and I want to compete, and and because because you 890 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.159 work hard and you know what's in there, So for 891 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.400 me to wake up every day, like yeah, my golf 892 00:48:18.440 -->

00:48:22.559 defines what I'm doing. It's what I'm working on. So 893 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:25.239 it's kind of like you work hard at the job 894 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.119 if you're if you're not making any money, it kind 895 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.320 of defines you, doesn't it. 896 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:35.320 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I work in radio, but I mean 897 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.639 I wouldn't say, you know, as a human being, I don't. 898 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.519 I don't show up if I finished in last place. 899 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.599 I'm not I'm not houring into the next site wondering 900 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:48.760 how people think of me. I don't care about that, 901 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.360 you know, that's I just hopefully everybody's beyond that. 902 00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:55.960 I don't know if I'm a wonder house, but yeah, 903 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.800 I know you have. I just wonder how alterate competitive people, 904 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:05.679 how you fill the void when the competition that you've 905 00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.519 lived for so many years goes away. And I wonder 906 00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:10.519 that with a football player, when they step away from 907 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.480 the game, can they fill the void in business and 908 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.519 development and things that they get into because you've spent 909 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:21.360 your whole life competing physically in a game that we play, 910 00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.719 and then, yeah, definition kind of goes away. Sometimes when 911 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:26.800 they leave the game or their retiring in other sports. 912 00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.079 They do it much earlier in life than you do. 913 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:33.119 Yeah, yeah, and I did, And I didn't play for 914 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:34.960 ten years, and I guess I filled it. 915 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:35.320 I didn't. 916 00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.480 It wasn't my goal, but you know, I competed. I 917 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:43.039 competed it to sign players, and I competed with trying 918 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.800 to identify talent, right like some of these guys thought 919 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:48.840 they could identify talent. They've never keeed it up, and 920 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.679 it was interesting to you know, I think I've I 921 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:56.280 just felt like I saw in tangibles better. I just 922 00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.119 felt like I was better at it. And so I 923 00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:02.159 guess I filled that void with competing on that side 924 00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:05.119 of it. And and then of course, like you know, 925 00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:09.960 in negotiations, competing, you know, whether it's an equipment equipment 926 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.119 contract or whatever it was. I mean, I guess you 927 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.800 just you just figured it out. In business, you compete, 928 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.320 you know. But I like this a lot better. I 929 00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:24.360 mean this, I know, I know I'm good at and 930 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:29.239 it's frustrating not to not to show it honestly as 931 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:32.519 much as I feel like I should. And you know, 932 00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.119 it's there's guys that are up there every single week, 933 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.360 and I and I, you know, I racked my brain 934 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:40.760 to figure out why I'm not one of those guys. 935 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.079 I'm not, and I'm okay with it, but you know, 936 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:48.760 I really I hope I get more time because I 937 00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.400 if I can figure it out, I think I could 938 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:52.920 be a top player. 939 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:56.880 Mario. It's always good to have a chance to visit 940 00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.519 with a lot. We'll be watching from Canada this week 941 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.360 and continued. Good luck to you and we'll talk again soon. 942 00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:03.719 Thank you. 943 00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:04.960 Yeah, thanks for having me on. 944 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:06.679 Thanks Mario, take. 945 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:08.920 Care of Mario Chiziani joining us. Well, we got one 946 00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.440 more segment to go up to, probably combine it into 947 00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.960 one segment because we've we've talked a lot with our 948 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.599 guests tonight, probably more than we have it any other time. 949 00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:18.800 So we'll come back wrap things up here in a 950 00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.159 couple of minutes talking golf at TPC Wisconsin. 951 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.360 Your golf game need to pick me up. It's one 952 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:25.719 stop shopping only in Nevada. 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The 962 00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:53.079 pair shot thirty two under over the fifty four whole event, 963 00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.719 securing the team title with a final round score of 964 00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.639 seven under sixty four. Mark your calendars for the

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Joel and his 1007 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.599 crew can equip you, dress you, teach you. And here's 1008 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.199 the best part. Newer use club shoes, bags, carts, apparel, balls, 1009 00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:21.480 you name it, and they got it. 1010 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:22.039 Isn't that right? 1011 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:22.400 Joel? 1012 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.719 Your game, your store, always at the best price. 1013 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:34.840 Back with you one final time tonight and then one 1014 00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:38.960 more week to go on talking golf for the five season. 1015 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.559 Can you believe it? Dennis, We're almost done. You're almost 1016 00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.039 done with us. Then we go into renewal talks. 1017 00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:44.880 Thank goodness. 1018 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.719 It talks of next year twenty twenty six six old. 1019 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.440 We got a lot of yeah, lots of stuff going 1020 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:50.800 for that. 1021 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:55.119 So they'll take them about that three months to decide. 1022 00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:57.760 That'll be really cool baby, in a new. 1023 00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.840 Place, in a new place, we might go over to 1024 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:01.239 the the practice area. 1025 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:02.599 It's right, well, what is uh? 1026 00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:06.199 And then let's in our ninety seconds we have left. 1027 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.400 Let's get a little update on what's going on at 1028 00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:11.360 the practice area of the new indoor facility, which will 1029 00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:14.079 be fully operational here, well it is for many, but not. 1030 00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.800 We need two stalls to be completed, completed meaning putting 1031 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:21.119 the turf in, so they're there today and tomorrow it'll 1032 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.280 be done. And we've got the sidewalk and to go 1033 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.719 in not this week but next week and then it's 1034 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:31.320 the fire lane turnaround and we're ready to go. So 1035 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:34.199 we're going to be in good shape, you know, come November. 1036 00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:36.519 Yeah, when there's no flies, there's gonna be a lot 1037 00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:39.440 going on over there for members at TPC Wisconsin to 1038 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.239 be able to enjoy a winter that has a lot 1039 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:43.000 of golf in it. 1040 00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.159 Oh yeah, Well those track men and stuff like that 1041 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:48.199 is pretty good. And I know they're talking about a 1042 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:51.159 league and stuff like that, so it'd be interesting things 1043 00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.519 to go. And has its own liquor license, so it's 1044 00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:54.760 a whole separate. 1045 00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:58.360 Entity over there and really cool. You know what's going on. 1046 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:00.800 We'll looking forward to it. You're gonna come back and 1047 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:02.719 do this next week on our final show or that. 1048 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:05.079 Might be back okay, all right, you know, we'll see 1049 00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:07.119 what let us know, we'll see what happened, let us 1050 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:08.239 know if not, let. 1051 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:09.960 Us know if we're back for next year, and then 1052 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.280 we'll decide if next week it'll be aut we'll have 1053 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:15.320 the review after after next. 1054 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:18.079 Year, and then two weeks from now, the week after 1055 00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:21.039 the final show, that'll be our Left Hander Show. 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