บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ #146 - Cadin Maynard - Strength Beyond the Weight Room

that's been a a transition for me is Eating less and kind of the nature of, well, I feel hungry because I'm used to eating more. and then telling yourself that you need to eat that same amount so you can be ready for the workout when you actually don't. It's been a a combination of like systemically I feel different, but also like cognitively mental mentally, like there's times I want to eat more and I have to restrain myself. And that's been a battle in its wrong right. And I think it's an important one that I'm experiencing now. Brett Hart: Yeah. I mean, I've been with similar struggles mentally with the food and hearing it be about fuel, I think is really important because so many people get their nutrition mindset philosophies from bodybuilders where their goal is to just look as good, like ripped as possible on stage, where they don't care what their sprint times are, jump times are, performance metrics are. They just care about what they look like in that speedo oiled up in front of in front of other guys. It's it's great. Yeah, yeah. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Can't say I'm there yet in my physique. Brett Hart: But that is but their mindset behind that is their food isn't necessarily for fuel. It's for it's literally just to look good. But Cadin Maynard: Exactly. Brett Hart: athletes have to have a different mindset and a different approach to it. And I do agree everybody should track their food. It doesn't have to be year round. It doesn't have to be lifetime. But Cadin Maynard: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: you need some type of audit on your diet to make sure where you are. It's the same exact thing as you would Cadin Maynard: Experience knowing how much is how much. Brett Hart: Yeah, like you would Just give me a week. Give me a week of tracking everything that you ate for seven days in a row just to see where you're at. And if you just so happen to be six hundred calories over, now I know where my baseline is. Now I know what I can s now I know Cadin Maynard: And Brett Hart: I can skip out on the Cinnabons a little bit. Cadin Maynard: And I would say an added challenge is that my fiance is a phenomenal cook and she likes to cook. And so you probably never gonna say like, Don't express yourself in the kitchen because I love what she cooks and so it's been working around, you know, her getting to do the cooking that she enjoys doing, but also within the constraints of I wanna eat a specific number of et cetera today based on, you know, what I have. Brett Hart: My my vice is chocolate chip cookies, dude. I'm a baker. I like bacon chocolate chip cookies. Cadin Maynard: I'm all dude. It's and the healthier, I should say, the less I've been eating, the more I've been craving like sweets at the end of my meals. Brett Hart: Mm-hmm. Cadin Maynard: Like I feel like my meal's incomplete. You know what I mean? my gosh. I'm like walking Brett Hart: You need the sweet treat. You need to finish the meal with a sweet treat. Cadin Maynard: around the facility, I'm like, I gotta find like a Hershey's kiss right now. Brett Hart: I need I need some type of candy, ASAP. I need it. Cadin Maynard: Way well. Brett Hart: What's your biggest vice n nutrition wise? Is it alcohol, sweets, anything like that? Cadin Maynard: Yeah, I'm not a I'm not a big alcohol guy. I think we all had our time in college a little bit, but nowadays it it's more, you know, at events. So if I go to a wedding I'll have a few drinks or, you know catching up with my friends who haven't seen in a while have a few drinks. But I've never really been someone that loves to drink a lot. I think all my friends can can tell you that about me. I just don't like the way I feel the next day. I don't like how it impairs my recovery. I like to feel as fresh as I can. and so I've never, you know, I guess been fully in invested in that as much as other people. I do love chocolate like I just said. I love sweets. I try to not indulge as much as I I, you know, probably want to. but I I love I love chocolate. So like, dude, it's Florida in the summer. It's a hundred degrees every day. And there's days that I'm making hot chocolate in here. Just so I can have chocolate, Brett Hart: That's crazy. Cadin Maynard: but not in the form of like like I can make it with like cocoa powder and some honey Brett Hart: Mm. Cadin Maynard: and I can make it a specific way, but just so I have the taste of chocolate. I'm having hot chocolate in a hundred degree Florida summer weather. Brett Hart: You're a fiend, bro. You're a chocolate fiend. Cadin Maynard: Yeah, and I don't like candy. Like I don't want any of the sour patch. I don't want any of that. That doesn't intrigue me at all. I just want to eat some chocolate. One you know, that's I that's my vice, man. That really is. What about you? Just go easy. Just just go. Brett Hart: Well, least you know what it is. At least you can name it. Chocolate chip cookies. Just cookies, bro. Ice cream, you know what I'd something that I do is if we were to go out to get ice cream, say my girlfriend and I are going to this creamery or whatever, a normal person, if they were caring about their physique or just caring about what they're putting in their body, would just get a traditional normal scoop of ice cream. I'm hot fudge Sunday 10 out of 10 times every single day. I I'm here. That's what I'm saying. Cadin Maynard: I'm a toppings guy too, but just load it on. I'm already here. I'm already eating ice cream. Like Brett Hart: I'm here. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna skimp out on what I want. There was one time I got a cookie platter with chocolate chip cookie ice cream in it. Hot fudge drizzle. Dude was probably like 2,000 calories. I've ate it in about 30 seconds. Felt great in that 30 seconds. Felt terrible three hours after. But that is Cadin Maynard: Yeah, in college Brett Hart: that's what I'm gonna do. Cadin Maynard: in college I was going to the you remember the pod at Springfield? Brett Hart: Yeah. Cadin Maynard:

Running to the pod and getting the the Ben and Jerry's and putting that down on a night. Not even worried about it. Now if I eat that holy crap. Brett Hart: Yeah. Not even worth dude. I just funny he reminded me of the Springfield thing because during the spring I was ripping the subway. I was using up all my dining dollars in that subway. Cadin Maynard: That's the only thing that was on campus. yeah. Yep. Yep. Brett Hart: We would be out of practice too late and the dining hall would be closed. Like, I'm starving. I literally went through all my meal money in probably a month and a half on Subway sandwiches. Cadin Maynard: Dude, the same here. Brett Hart: All right. Well, we all know nutrition isn't always going to be perfect, and especially in college. Cadin Maynard: yeah. Brett Hart: But what are some of your hacks you think? I know meal prepping you just said is one, but how important is actually knowing what it is that you're going to fuel yourself for, depending on the session you have that day, how long you have to work for, how long you'd be on the floor for, game day. Talk to me a little bit how you would plan those things out. Cadin Maynard: Yeah, so I should preface with I do need to there was a point in time where I was kind of obsessed with the nutritional piece and it's kind of wavered since. And I kind of need to dive a bit more into that. Performance nutrition itself. It does help that we have dietitians at work. so I picked their brain plenty. But I'm just trying to eat high protein, high carb meals and and keeping the dietary fat low right now. It I don't think that there's inherently a problem with eating quality fats. It's just it's so calorie dense that with me trying to lose weight, I'm I'm trying to cut back on those. On the days where I have like a high rock session or a longer run or something where I know I'm gonna be exerting a lot more energy, I'll I'll, you know, add an extra scoop or two of carbs in my lunch. But in terms of hacks, for me it's all about I want come the day of you know, come the day I want my food and my fueling to feel easy. So I prepare beforehand. I I guess I have less hacks in terms of specific foods and more We I do all my preparation, I should say my fiance does a lot of my preparation. The day before, the week before, so come the day, it's it's easy access. So I do a lot of overnight oats 'cause I get sufficient amount of carbs in that and I can add protein powder, Greek yogurt, just a really easy kind of combination to hit the macros you want. and get to honestly, like, depending on how much you want to eat for breakfast, you can have overnight oats that are two hundred fifty calories or overnight oats that are five hundred fifty calories. Like you can kind of play with that. So I'll do that and for breakfast right now and then Lunch will be a combination of like a potato, sweet or normal, with some sort of protein. or I'll have rice. so very simple stuff. She kind of puts like her own touch on it so it tastes good because if it was me doing most of the cooking, I would just have like ground beef and rice every single day and not get tired of it. but yeah, I'd say for me, keep making it easy, keeping it pretty consistent. And I should add is that it I kinda have a soft stomach, I think. So I try to, you know, incorporate things that I digest well because the worst feeling is when you're gonna go into a big session and you're like bloated and groggy and I wanna feel as light as I can, but as energized as I can, you know, before I train. Brett Hart: Do you have anything intra workout? Or no? Cadin Maynard: I have exported like a you know the that sit bars, like they're like a hundred calorie fruit bar or that sort Brett Hart: Mm. Yeah. Cadin Maynard: of those intercession. I'm not gonna lie, I don't really feel much benefit. maybe I'm not training long enough or I'm not training long enough after the snack to really reap the benefit. but I really don't supplement with any, you know, carbo like easy easy digesting carbohydrate source during just 'cause I haven't really tell a difference. you know, personally with me, but then again I'm not training for two hours at a time right now, so you know, I'd be interested to see you know, other people's experience 'cause I know a lot of like the you know, the hybrid community, they love to have their gel while they're running and stuff, so Brett Hart: I hated those. I hated those gels. To be honest, I really love zero the Gatorade Zeros. I think those Cadin Maynard: Mm. Brett Hart: do do wonders. If I get some type of electrolyte something, yeah. Cadin Maynard: Yeah, I mean I'll do electrolytes during but I don't really eat much. Brett Hart: I like those. Zero calories. I don't like it feeling same like just not feeling heavy. Not Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: having not having stuff too much in the tank. Cadin Maynard: Listen, I'm I I'm over two hundred pounds right now and running is hard enough. I don't wanna feel heavier. Brett Hart: You're what are you, two ten? Two five? Cadin Maynard: I'm two five right now. I'm trying to get down to like two hundred. If I could get sub two hundred by the time this high rocks, it'd be great. Probably feel a lot easier to maneuver. Yeah. I'm training Brett Hart: Run, move. Do the wall balls. Cadin Maynard: with with a a kid I work with and he's he's in better shape with me to begin with. Like I you know, this hybrid community he'd be a part of it. But he's a buck seventy five. I'm like, dude, I'd be floating if I was a buck seventy five right now. Just gliding. Brett Hart: I mean, yeah, it's a lot easier. A lot easier. Less less stuff to move. But you're Cadin Maynard: man. Brett Hart: gonna be a you're gonna be a dog on the sled push. Cadin Maynard: Yeah, dude, and I think my event is that and and the Burpee Broads I'm pretty good at. Maybe it's just because I do a lot of plyos and I love to jump and but I think that'll be my strength. So I'm gonna

tell my cousin who by the way is in phenomenal shape and I'm currently holding the team back. Like, hey, when it comes those two, like let the kid eat. Save your energy. Brett Hart: I got those two. I got those two. Do all the other stuff, but I will do those two. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: I wanna touch back on what you said before a little bit earlier on how you like a lot of different variety and you Cadin Maynard: Mm. Brett Hart: like to bounce around to doing different things, which I am in full agreement with, but I also am curious to know how you track progress effectively if you're always seeming to changing something up, whether it be session by session, week to week. Like how do you go blending variety while also making sure we're getting substantial progress? Cadin Maynard: Yeah, I think it one depends on what are your testable objectives that you're you're like what are the goals of your program. And it for some people it's different. And I know we're gonna talk a lot more about the human aspect and and kind of taking on each person as their own case. But for me, I know I've always gotten bored if I've done, you know, longer training blocks that are, you know, contain similar things. There's some people that like to do that. They want the consistency, you know, over a specific period of time. And that's where no the person comes into play. And so there's people that I work with that I may include a little more variety, at least via exercise selection, depending on how you know I can see them responding to what we're doing. And there's some people where like if you're seeing pretty significant progress in in the current prescribed program, like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Right. And so it's a combination of that. And but I view 'Cause I think we can all agree like good training is progressiv training and to me it's not in the context that I think most coaches have learned and think. Like I think in our head, when you're just, you know, getting into the field, you're like, how can I progress my squat variation over time? Like I don't view progressiv training like that. I view it more from like a perceptual lens. So I want your perception of the task, whatever it may be, to change over time as a result of incorporated variety. So that can be like if you include more load or more velocity to a certain movement, you're now Exerting more effort. You're asking more of yourself. The demand has increased. So your perception of that is that there's a greater demand. If you do the same thing with like exercise complexity, so like a specific pattern, or maybe how they're sequencing within that pattern, or the steps to complete the task within whatever you're doing. Once again, that's going to require more attention to detail. You're going to perceive it as it's more difficult task, and I'm asking more of myself. So to challenge the perception of said thing is going to force you to challenge the capability to achieve. Said thing. And when we're training, that's ultimately the the goal of our training is I want to create a more capable athlete. One, like your physical nature, you should be to present yourself as more capable. But two, I want you to believe, understand that you are capable of more. And that's why we're including this variety. And like I think the brain notices. over time your ability to to meet each demand, regardless of of what that is. And so if we're constantly asking more of the individual, and it that depends on what you include, but if you're constantly asking more of the individual in a, you know, digestible dose where they can actually meet what is more. then what becomes more becomes normal. So at one point I asked you to do more. I asked you to meet a certain demand that's higher. And that becomes less and less over time. And that is capability. And so that's kind of how I view variety and progressiving, because I think that you know all of it kind of falls in the same lens. Brett Hart: It's interesting. I mean, I love hearing different viewpoints on it because it always makes me think of a constraint led approach where we're simply doing the same same drill but different. So it's similar but not. I think about the weight room and saying how a lot of these kids just need the basic stuff. But I Cadin Maynard: For sure. Brett Hart: know I want them to get exposed to different stimulus, but at what point can I actually expose them to something new without them falling off or not figuring it out. I don't know. It I just something in my head always wants to see something structured, but Cadin Maynard: Yep. Brett Hart: I also want to see it not structured because I know that's what they need as well. It's really tough, in my opinion, to blend the two. And it sounds pretty interesting how you just frame that. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. I that and what's the difference if you want like a specific structure, if you're like I want this kid to do a front squat for a specific amount of weeks just to see how more proficient he becomes at the actual task, what's the difference in adding a three second pause one week or a three second lower the next week, or playing around with your tempos or the actual velocity of the bar or the load? And I understand It depends on how you look at it. Like I don't think small tweaks like that are gonna have, you know, much of an interference effect. But you know, why can't we kind of play around with some of those minute details within your overall general structure just to see how they respond to, you know, that stimulus in that moment? Brett Hart: Yeah. I like that. I like that. Yeah. Cadin Maynard: You know, it's it's just different thought processes. 'cause I'm I'm not like anti structure. I should s I should lead with that. I do think a lot of Yeah, no, I and I Brett Hart: It's a free for all every session. Cadin Maynard: I think some of the content I make and the way that I view training, at least now, I don't like want it to come

across that way. Like I am a believer in systems. I think you need them. I think As humans, we enjoy anything that's gonna help our brain organize what we're doing. And I think strength coaches especially. but I try to fall into the belief that like you need a specific, consistent structure over a extended period of time for yourself to get results. Cause I I don't think that's necessarily the case. Brett Hart: I feel like the longer you and I are in this game and what I've seen from just strength coaches that have been it for fifteen, twenty, twenty-five, thirty years, they have they started off as pioneers and challenging the status quo and showcasing what they knew. And then once Cadin Maynard: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: they found out that it worked for a long enough time that they don't change they just don't s they just stick with what they know. And then every couple of generations feel like You and I are on that where we're challenging it a little bit, trying to figure out something new. Cadin Maynard: Right. Brett Hart: And I'm almost scared about ten years from now when we find that system that we become almost a slave to it. Like we just are afraid of innovating, afraid of trying something new because well, we have ten years of stackable proof now what we've done and it works. Why would I change it? Like why would I change the system? Why would I innovate? Why would I add variety? You see what I mean? Cadin Maynard: Yep. I a hundred percent. And that's why I think for a long time I was changing things for the sake of changing them. I was exploring for the sake of exploring because everyone else was doing it and I watched everyone else do it. and I won to fit in and now the decisions I'm making in the in the lens that I'm viewing training and what I'm prescribing is a result of my experiences. Right? Like how can I reflect on my experiences as a coach, as an athlete, as someone who enjoys training, the things that I've felt and seen, and how can I really dissect what those things have meant to me and the, you know, the things that I've seen to help then create the things that I want to experiment with. Because there was a definitely a multi year stretch where I'm in grad school and I'm trying a bunch of stuff and I see people like you, other people I look up to online that are implementing different things and I'm and I f and you feel like you're behind if you're not. and one thing I know Joe Padula talks a good bit about and shout out Joe, he's an awesome dude, smart guy, is he challenges strength coaches to, you know, even if you continue to implement new things like this and explore, go back to what you learned before. What do you think about it now? And so I like I was in the same boat, dude. I was just implementing things, changing things to change instead of actually understanding what they meant to me, you know, before prescribing. And I agree with you. You don't wanna get caught in a system, but I think the beautiful thing about this field is that there is no inherent right or wrong and For that reason, there's a lot of things you can play with and a lot of results you're gonna get and it almost makes it really difficult unless you choose to to, you know, kinda stay grounded in one thing. Brett Hart: It's a tough, sticky situation to be in. I definitely find myself because what you were talking about before, having to change stuff up, the variety, the exploration. I mean, all I talked about for a while was being a human test subject. I'm doing programs, I'm trying different training philosophies. I would just be throwing everything at the wall, see what stuck and hope for the best. And then I kind of just go back to the approach of being like, Man, everybody just needs to get stronger, kinda. I mean this so if we Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: just if we just get stronger sprint and jump, it's gonna fill most most athletes' buckets. Cadin Maynard: Exactly. And there's definitely core values I would say that will will remain consistent. but I would never encourage anyone to stay grounded in one specific system or or belief all the time. And so like if you're someone who regardless of implementation over time, regardless of what you've learned or read about or talked to people about, you're like everyone needs to get stronger. Like that's that's a core value for you. You know that that's gonna drive some of your programming decisions. And that doesn't mean that you can't explore with other things as you go, but you know that at some point during the year or with the majority of individuals that this is a deficiency that we need to attack. Right? And that's and that's what I think a lot of coaches need to get to. What do I believe in, but why do I believe in it? Like what has led me to believe in it? Not because someone else said it, because either this worked for me at one point as a someone doing it themselves or applying it. And less about because Caden says that or cause Brett says so. Right, like you're you have to take full responsibility and full ownership of what you believe in. And when you're in a position where maybe you're a young coach and you might not feel as confident in your current knowledge or your current expertise and experience, it's easy to look towards others and and utilize theirs because they've done it for longer. You know what I mean? That doesn't necessarily mean it's something that you're gonna believe in long term because I've been there and you get to a point where you're like, do I really believe in this? Like, is this me? Is this the impact I want to create? And is this what I want people to remember, you know, my coaching by? And that's I've had a lot of those moments recently that have have led to a I guess new new belief system, you know, or some where I'm currently at right now with with the things that I I believe in. Brett Hart: I mean that question right there is extremely empowering and important because coaches don't ask that question

at all. Who am I? What do I stand for? What do I believe in? What are my core values? The power to go within and to actually pull the information out from what you've experienced and turn it into practical wisdom and to be able to use it to guide your decision making, your thought process, your speaking patterns, and what you want to share with the world. That is it starts with you. And we have such an appeal to authority in the industry where we're going to find other strength coach. This is the whole thing with Boyle. I think Boyle says a lot of cool stuff. And Cadin Maynard: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: he also says a lot of stuff that I just genuinely disagree with. But Cadin Maynard: Yep. Brett Hart: what's the first the what's the first thing people say? Well, he's been doing it for fifty years or forty years. Anyone could be wrong at any time. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: But that is where I think we we can talk about it right now of the actual evolution of us as strength coaches, not getting more information, but actually going within ourselves to start to understand that information. Cadin Maynard: are you if you're not your experiences? If you're not the things that you're actually living and experiencing. If you're someone that takes information from a textbook or a podcast or you read a read a book, like these are great things. You should incorporate the things you learn. You should dive into them more. But who are you if you're not tying those back into the things that you've already experienced? And that's, you know, that's that's a a hurdle I've had to get over, a you know, reflection that I've had to explore. And I think over the last five, six months, I've dove more into myself as an individual and my experiences. But I've done that as a result of trying to learn more about the things that I believe in as a coach. And they intertwine. Brett Hart: It all intertwines. Coaching is not just a nine to five job that you clock in and clock out. And I think it's one of my Achilles heels still is that I identify myself as a coach. Everything that I do, I have a lens of viewing it as a coach. Couldn't not just gonna label myself as a strength conditioning coach. I think that's pretty limiting. Like a coach to do a lot, a coach to talk about a lot of things, a coach for life experiences, fitness, nutrition. Strength conditioning, all all of those things are all intertwined in my daily decision making. And it wasn't until I had to sit down with myself and realize, am I the one actually saying these thoughts, or is Michael Mike Boyle saying this, or is Eric Cressy saying this? Who's saying this right now? Is it me? Do I truly believe in this? And to go off your point of having to go through those experiences, you have to. That's why I always tell people to read the book Siddhartha by Herman Hessey. It's phenomenal because it's literally about that. If you can put my life in a book in a fictional setting and make it sick because it's Buddhism and he gets enlightenment, like for some reason we love that stuff. Trained coaches love Buddhism for whatever reason. It's awesome though. He has to go through so many different trials, tribulations, experiences in order to actually obtain enlightenment. There was no set path, but in order to get that path, he had to go through all the other ones that promised. the answer, the system, you have to go through them. Because I can't say just get stronger if I don't go through that valley of information gathering to come out the other side so I can actually say that as an intellectual. 'Cause if I say that too early in my career, I'm just a dumb idiot meathead. Cadin Maynard: Yep. and also, man, like that reflection's not easy. And that's why a lot of people don't want to do it. It's it's not easy to look within yourself and understand why you believe in the things you believe in and why you've acted the way you've acted. Like what you've taken these actions as a result of, you know, this belief in yourself or whatever it may be, but that reflection is It's deep. So when you actually get to a point you're asking yourself the right questions, those questions are gonna lead to more questions. And it's this constant dive into discovering what makes you you. And you talked about enlightenment, like that's there's so much value in that to me. And now some people are naturally gonna be like less introspective than others, right? They're less deep in their thought than others. Like I would consider myself a deep thinker and the more that I've thought back to like my upbringing, I've always been a deep thinker. But, you know, kind of when when you're younger and, you know, in that moment you might not necessarily understand that. But I'm always someone that's thought very deeply about things. Sometimes to a point like sometimes it can be like existential. You know what I mean? Like I I genuinely have thought that that sort like That's what drives some of my thought processes. And it's not easy to think that way. And so a lot of people may be afraid to do so. But there's there's a reason that you think that way. That's gonna influence your actions or your beliefs in some manner. So I I think there's so much value in just attacking that and embracing the way you think. Kind of going off on a tangent there, but just to big you back off your point, like reflection's not easy. And back to Padu Padula, him and I have spoken about this. To create your own personal brand and to dive into what makes you you as a coach, it's gonna take lots of reflection and reflection that's uncomfortable. And he's challenged me to do that. And then, you know, that initial challenge has led to me just continuously looking into myself with the goal of learning more about what I believe. So when I create, you know, a system that I would deem my own, it it truly embodies what I believe in and what I've experienced. Brett Hart: Joe and I have talked about coaching being a spiritual journey.

I think he's someone we gotta get him back on the pod, friend of the show. He was on before. We could have run it back with Mr. Big Time Apex now. If he's not if he's not too busy now. We we Cadin Maynard: He's a hot topic now, so yeah. Brett Hart: got him early. We we we we bought Joe Padula's stock early. I will say that. The Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: Gap bought the stock early and it it went up pretty high. But Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: talking about it being a spiritual journey, and I really love what you said about embodying, like you have to embody. what it is that you're talking about. It is imposter syndrome is obviously going to come up if you aren't living the life that you say you're living. If you're not about the training, the diet, the conditioning, the learning, the introspective, reflection, journaling, deep work, healing, you're gonna feel like you're always gonna be behind because you have no idea what it is that you truly want. And you're saying you want to be a successful training conditioning coach. What does that mean? You haven't you don't even know what that means. We haven't even Cadin Maynard: Exactly. Yeah. Brett Hart: broken down the pieces as to what it is that you're saying that you want. And then we go a layer deeper. All right, now why do you want those things? Like, why do you want to be a well known training conditioning coach? Go back. I mean, get a therapist if you really have to and talk about it. Hey, I've been. No shame in it. I think it's great. Cadin Maynard: No, absolutely not. Brett Hart: No, but I I found so much more of just being like, I think I can talk to myself through this. Like I really like talking to I'm talking. I write in my journal every day. And I got to a point where I'm writing for an hour straight about Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: just random stuff that comes up. And my brain has so many thoughts that just aren't helpful in the grand scheme of things of going in. So when I spiral, I write down the spiral and then I write the opposite and invert it to try to see come my bring myself back up. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Try to connect all the time. Yeah. Brett Hart: But it all comes from embodying. Yeah, I have to connect the dots. Got that, get that from Dan Fichter. But it's but I just always see so much overlap with just human existence and strength conditioning in our pursuit of becoming great coaches. Like there is just so much overlap in how we have to improve our communication skills, have to improve our emotional state, how we have to improve our psychological state, our actual physical being state, our spirituality state, there's so many things that we need to work on. And just to say it's strength conditioning is so limiting. It's incredibly limiting. That is just that is all we do. Cadin Maynard: Yep. Yep. And I I would say the biggest change for me over the last, you know, handful of months as you know, as we've been talking is my training has shifted a lot from getting getting as many output results as possible or, you know, whatever it may be, to what caused training itself to have such a strong emotional impact on me at the time where I decided that I wanted to pursue this as a career. Right. There was something deeper than just picking up a barbell or running and jumping that influenced me to want to do this long term. And so I've tried to go back to that point, back to that version of me and what training meant to me in that moment. And that's why a lot of the you know, I guess the lens that I see a lot of things now are through this this emotion. Right. I want the people that I work with. to learn more about themselves in the process. I think that's so important. There's everyone has barriers that we can attack as a result of training. And I know we're gonna talk about fear and and other things later in this episode. But the clients that I work with, I wanna walk away saying, not only did you know Caden help me get in shape, right? Achieve my, you know, my goal, whatever that may be, on a on the surface. But I learned more about myself, what was holding me back, and the things that I need to incorporate to overcome those things, break those barriers. Cause ultimately when I, you know, was really diving into this field and and getting into training and talking to people that do this for a living, there was an emotional influence on me to to better myself. And you talk about how a lot of strength and conditioning coaches have this existential type thought process and there's a lot of connect and it's because a lot of strength coaches are high achievers. They're people that constantly want more. They constantly want to get the most out of themselves. They want to learn about themselves so they can get the most out of themselves. And as a result, you're gonna take the steps necessary to do that. And so, you know, just speaking towards the majority of the field, In general, it's like I I've seen that a lot in coaches. the people that strive for more and they're willing to do the dirty work necessary internally to to find that. Brett Hart: I mean, how can you lead others if you can't even lead yourself? Cadin Maynard: Yeah, but i one hundred percent, but you would be surprised how how many people aren't actually walking the walk. Brett Hart: yeah, bro. I I know that. I'm not surprised in the sli I know we are a very select few of people. It's a very small percentage. But it's just something that we were talking about core values. I can't you ever s what's that movie with the ping pong guy? What movie was that? Yeah, the most recent ping pong dude. They made Yes, Timothy Shaman. All right. So he Cadin Maynard: The most recent one? With with Timothy Chalamet. Yeah. Brett Hart: he was talking about how he's gonna win, and then some the lady was like, What happens if you don't win? It's like doesn't even enter my consciousness. Cadin Maynard: hasn't even entered my Brett Hart: So when we talk about like that

stuff for me, like what you're saying, like doing it, like it doesn't even enter my brain to not do it. Like this is just something I'm going to do. Like it's Monday. I'm going to train legs. Like it's just something that's so ingrained in me at this point, where it doesn't even enter my being that I'm not gonna do this. It's something that is just brushing your teeth, putting your socks on, shoes on, lace them up, get out the door. That's that's just habitual. Habitually been just my process. Cadin Maynard: Bro, and how you do one thing is how you do everything. And so for the the people that, you know, might not be carrying themselves or holding themselves to a standard that we may deem as as necessary. You owe every person you work with the time, energy, and reflection necessary to help them in their life. They get one shot at whatever objective it is that they're putting their trust and their money into you for, right? If you're just attacking that on a surface level, or you're not carrying yourself to the standard that you claim to expect out of them, how is that fair to the individual? Right? And that's where. And this is regardless of, you know, whatever sector you work with, or level ass you work with. Like our guys, we have guys that come in, they come out, you get traded, you get cut, you move up levels, regardless, right? When they're with me, I I genuinely believe that I have a specific amount of time to impact these people as much as I can. Because when you're working with kids from like humbling experiences, when they come from, you know, different areas and They have this shot to achieve their dream, feed their family in in in certain circumstances, excuse me. Like, I owe you that. I owe you the time and energy necessary to get the most out of you. Because you have one shot at this, and I'm an aspect of your journey. And I think that should stretch from top-tier athlete all the way down to, you know, your general pop client that wants to lose 10 pounds. Like, this is their journey. This is their opportunity. They have one shot at this, one life, and they're putting their trust in you. The bare minimum is to give them all you got. Brett Hart: couldn't have said it better myself. I think something that I would like to add though is that there are gonna be a lot of people that we've talked to talking about just now at lower level of awareness of wanting to go deeper in introspective. That's why my first pillar is physical because that's where most people are gonna meet you at. They're not gonna they're not gonna meet you at the emotional, spiritual level right off the gate. They're gonna meet you at I want a six pack and I want to jump forty inches and I Cadin Maynard: Don't know. Brett Hart: Bet. Bet, brother. All right, we'll lock it in. We'll see Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: what we can do. So that's that's what we're gonna meet at. But then as training goes on, you build a better connection with them, better relationship with

them, they start to know like trust you more, then we can start layering in those things that you were talking about, giving them more. So giving them a little bit deeper of to like all right, let's talk about why you actually want a shredded six pack and a forty inch vertical. just because it's sick? All right. There's some people that honestly, that's as low, that's as deep as you're gonna get with them. And if that's your Cadin Maynard: Sure. Absolutely. Brett Hart: reasoning, sure. But I've had very meaningful conversations with athletes that will go full in on their beliefs, their values, Cadin Maynard: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: their upbringing, what they've thought about, how they go into it. And if I didn't do the work on myself required prior, however many years, however many months, weeks, days. Cadin Maynard: Yeah, you wouldn't have a perspective then. Brett Hart: I would have never even been able to have that conversation with them. I would have missed out on that conversation, that deeper meaning conversation with that athlete. And I could have missed out on that great connection that I had with a certain individu. I have one clear memory in my head right now. And I actually am grateful of all the work I went through to be able to have that conversation with him. Cause it was like 30 minutes long after a session. Like he was done. And we talked for 30 straight minutes. about so many different things, none of it training related. And I thought that was one of Cadin Maynard: That's fantastic. Brett Hart: my one of the best summer moments I could think of. Cadin Maynard: Yeah, and it you never know how you're gonna never know who you're gonna influence too. Like I I made a post about uncertainty the other day and we had a kid that I'm not even working with at the moment come up to me and tell me he saw my video and you know he could relate to it. And it's something that he struggled with. like share what you believe in. And that's why we but like that's why we do this self-reflection, to discover what has held us back and where we can make a difference in people's lives that are experiencing similar things that to what we have. 'Cause that might have never come up between me and that individual. You know what I mean? Unless you know, I I was I was vulnerable enough to post it, right? but a hundred percent man. And those conversations where you get to have learn more about the person you're working with on a deeper level because, you know, you've been there, it it's so fulfilling to me. So fulfilling. I don't know about you, but I obviously love developing the physical aspect of training and I you know, when guys jump higher and run faster and show higher outputs and develop in that way, I get excited, obviously, but there's something about when the person reflects on why that happened, there's something so much more fulfilling in that to me. and that's why as of late I you know, I've thought the way I've thought. Brett Hart: Go into that a little bit more, thinking about how you're thinking. Cadin Maynard: Yeah, so I made a post earlier, I mean, I don't know, a few weeks ago about fear, and I know we were gonna touch on fear, and I think at the time of that post I may have not fully connected the dots. Like I haven't I didn't fully reflect on what I was talking about in the experiences that I've you know, had. And Because of this reflection over time, I've realized that uncertainty itself has I would say consumed my thoughts and my actions for as long as I can remember. And that's gonna manifest in a lot of different ways. But I've I've constantly been worried about, you know, how are people perceiving me? Right? Am I good enough to achieve said tasks? So as an athlete, like I'm am I good enough? Am I gonna get better? Is this work that I'm putting in, this training that I'm conducting, is it enough for me to get better? Cause if not, I'm gonna feel like I did it for nothing, right? Will I achieve the goals that I set out for myself? And will I feel like a failure if I didn't? Right? Like these are thoughts that I had as an athlete. And then I got to a point, and shout out Coach Caitlin, where the only certainty in life is uncertainty. That you don't have the answers and you're not gonna have the answers. And we talk about this existentialist piece. Dude, we live on like, I don't mean to go this deep, but like humanity is is how? You know what I mean? So Brett Hart: yeah, we could w we could go there by the way. I love this stuff so much, so we keep going, but Cadin Maynard: Yeah, I mean it sometimes it gets too big for my head, and I don't mean to like go off on a tangent like that. But gen you know, genuinely, like this life is filled with so much uncertainty. And that uncertainty is what makes the process rewarding. Like you you can learn from the process of working towards something that you're uncertain about, but if you can't accept the uncertainty during that process, you're gonna always lack the presence necessary like necessary to Enjoy that process and experience the fruits of that process. Like everyone talks about I want to be present. Well, if you're gonna constantly be worried about things that you don't have the answers to, it's gonna be impossible to be present. And so that has just manifested itself in my life in so many ways as an athlete, as a coach. You talked about imposter syndrome and believing if you're smart enough or good enough or qu you know of enough value to get the results that you want, like These are things that a lot of people struggle with, but they're too afraid to look in the eye. And I think that training can be an avenue to to attack these things. Like I I know I've kind of spoke about it on my stories and such, but These like we talked Hyrux. These Hyrux workouts, they suck. Like they're hard for me. And I go into them literally nervous about it. And that's how I know it's good. And that makes me want to attack it more. I don't know how I'm

gonna feel during this. I don't know if I'm gonna hit the paces I wanna hit. I don't know how I'm gonna perform. Are the people I'm doing it with gonna kick my ass? Am I gonna embarrass myself? I don't know. Good. Let's do it. Right? I'm not saying like that's the approach in every single situation with every single client, right? But My point is that it's a part of of the way I think now is yes, there's things that are holding this athlete back and it may present itself as physical on the surface, but is it always physical? And if we can maybe create some conversation around what they've done and what they've learned in their past experiences, can we learn a little bit more about the athlete? 'Cause I I made a post about the person is the program and we talked about structure today and this is what I mean, where like I'm a fan of systems. I'm not like you're gonna need as you scale, but I think everyone kind of falls on a spectrum between you have your inherent structure, your organic ability, your preferences, maybe the things that you were born prioritizing, right? And then along the way you have a variety of experiences that lead to certain beliefs about those experiences that'll force you to take specific actions that have led to specific outcomes, right? And so where you are with me now is somewhere in the middle between those two things. The things that you prefer and the you know the experience. That you've had. And I think they both work together to give us the path that we should attack. If that makes sense. Brett Hart: I think it does. I think that does make sense. And I really like your uncertainty piece where that is the only thing certain in life is the ability to feel uncertain. Like you're just stepping into it, especially with high achieving individuals, like we were saying before. We are always going to strive for something new. And I remember the first time putting five hundred pounds on my back, was extremely uncertain if I was gonna do that or not. Never felt it before and was able was able to get it. I think that's also why I say getting strong is a core value. Because there are life lessons involved with those because you are doing things through hard work, consistent effort, and repeatability that you're be doing things that you never thought humanly possible. That you would never be able to. Yeah, one hundred percent. Cadin Maynard: Is is this not why we train? Right? This is why we train. And it's easy to say, like, yeah, like these high-performing athletes are only training to work on the specific things that are gonna maximize their strengths and help them at their sport. A hundred percent. But everybody, regardless of your interoceptive capability or how deeply you look at things, can can learn that training is making you a more capable individual and it's forcing you to break down barriers. Or attack things that you once didn't believe you could. Like this is this is why we train. You wanted to get strong. You put 500 pounds on your back. How many people won't even think about doing that? Because of the inherent risk that goes with it. Right? Like, I don't know, man. This is this is the way I think. At the end of the day, man, you're not gonna look back and be like, man, like. Or look at your training where you're like, you know. The the trap bar deadlift really helped me get, you know, add twenty pounds to my trap bar deadlift and really helped me get strong. Like you're gonna look back and be like, doing this style of training and working with this coach who embodies these specific core values taught me this about myself. Or at least that's how I would look back. And so that's the people that I'm trying to reach. Brett Hart: Yeah, I'm the same way. I mean, I love just being able to physically do things very hard just to see if I can do them and to see how I can go about it. And I think that is what I'm most comfortable with. I think if people look at some of my decisions from a weight room sense, it may not seem the brightest. And I will always physically push my body to its limits because that's what I'm most comfortable with. That's what I get the most pleasure in. What is the hardest thing I ever experience in my life was the complete invert of that and having to sit out for six months and not train. Talk about introspective emotional Cadin Maynard: Uh-huh. Brett Hart: regulation. my God. Dude. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: Get that's why I made a post saying, dude, get hurt. Like at least once. Not like hopefully pray to God it's never like a very serious injury. But Cadin Maynard: I've been there, brother. Yeah. Brett Hart: once you get injured and once your Daily routine gets so thrown out of whack that you have to completely essentially reinvent yourself and how you Cadin Maynard: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: go about living. It was crazy. It was, it was, it was incredible. I mean, during it sucked. And I remember we s like how you're saying looking back, like that surgery, two weeks playing 2K and sitting there not being able to walk, like wasn't really doing much introspective there. But then as I'm going through the rehab process, then stuff flares up. Other things unveil itself. I keep getting hurt. I keep rushing back. And everything starts to unravel because now I feel like I'm against the clock. I run a strength conditioning page. I run a training business. My whole core value is being able to do things yourself, being able to train yourself, sprint, jump, lift. I'm not doing any of that. So now that imposter syndrome even comes more into play, feeling Cadin Maynard: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: I'm a phony. I'm talking about things that I don't even do myself. And having to navigate all of that and to figure out how can I actually still show up for my clients when I have a cane and a cast on and limping around, making sure I know what I'm doing. And no, Cadin Maynard: But I bet I bet sorry, go ahead. Brett Hart: I just I just to finish the thought, going

so tunnel vision and zooming in on it, it's all you think about. But now having it be so removed, we zoom out and we could see it almost from a Like full slideshow view. You can see all of the events from a slideshow. You can just scroll through instead Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: of it being frame by frame. Why was I stressing? So why was I why was I like that? Like why like now, now I'm just like, all right, whatever. I I I have a better gauge of like this will pass, like this too shall pass. Because I know I've done it enough times where in the moment, still frame image, it's the most stressful thing in my life. But if I zoom out and scroll through, I was like, I've been way I've been through way worse. Cadin Maynard: Yep. And I bet you learn so much about yourself in that process. And that's we talk about doing hard things. Like your hard thing doesn't always have to be your physical training. You can learn so much about yourself in different ways. And so a lot of people are afraid to do the physical training because they know that that hard thing is gonna expose something that they're not good at, right? Like something an area where they need work. And so they have a decision to make. Do I do the hard thing, potentially learn so much about myself in the process? Or do I choose not to because I don't want to face something, an area that I know I need to improve on? Right. And that's where doing hard things, like that's at the core level of doing hard things. And it's easy. I shouldn't say it's easy, but a lot of people express their message of Do hard things, you're gonna learn so much. Right? Like challenge your body, you're gonna learn so much. Absolutely. Like I'm a strength coach. I I I do the same thing. But challenging yourself can can stretch far beyond just the physical your physical capacity to handle things. And beautiful. Brett Hart: Yeah, when was the last time you read a book for twenty minutes straight? Cadin Maynard: And the beautiful thing about training is is that through things that challenge your physical capacity, you can learn more about other areas of life that need developing. And that's why I say that through breaking down the things you're fearful of, training can be an avenue for attacking those. And that can that can literally stretch into different areas of your life. Because once again, how you do one thing is how you do everything. Brett Hart: Yeah, we have to lean in. We have to lean into the resistance and pretty much wherever you feel the most resistance towards is what you have to lean into most. Cadin Maynard: Yeah, like why do you feel that resistance? What is your connection to Brett Hart: Exactly. Cadin Maynard: that? Right? So Brett Hart: I mean for me, I don't know how you feel about the talking heads on social media, but that was always for a long time, that was a big, big resistance of not wanting to do that. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. I'm not gonna lie, I don't love I'm not the biggest social media fan in general. And there is a point where I was gonna just totally like get off it, just not use it, never post. I it takes up a lot of time. I feel like it pulls away from my ability to be present in other things at times and You know, speaking with Padula, he challenged me to like lean into utilizing it to help, you know, create a personal brand and part of that is gonna be incorporating things that are uncomfortable, like a talking head. Like I never did a talking head until two months ago. Not I never even thought about it. But if I'm gonna be someone who expresses and embodies a certain style of coaching and a certain methodology and belief system, because those are the things that I want my clients to take with them, like I gotta live it, one. And two, there's no better way to connect with people at an emotional level, on a deeper level, than to be in front of them face to face. And so some people might just scroll past it. Those aren't the people you're talking to anyway. but you know, I'm a fan of how personal those talking heads can be. And like when I see you post a a talking head, I'm listening. Brett Hart: Got one. That's the goal. That's the goal. Every post. I was like, I just need one. Cadin Maynard: Dude, actually I want to ask you about social media now that we kind of brought it up and I didn't mean to, you know, bring up social media itself and its roots, but Brett Hart: No, I like it. Cadin Maynard: have you because I don't have a large following, you know what mean? and I I I really don't care much about like the virality and I care more about kind of creating a strong community that of people that believe in me and what I believe in, but was it o ever difficult for you to like see that you weren't getting a lot of engagement or you know, things of that nature. Was there a point a point where you felt like your message was only valuable if it got a certain level of engagement from other people? Like a certain level of validation? Because I think that's another thing people struggle with, myself included. Brett Hart: One hundred percent. I mean, I completely I'm actively trying to lose followers right now. Like I because how I got the followers, like I have hundred and seventy plus thousand followers. I got it from posting old school training clips that I got from YouTube. And I started off posting them because I thought they were really interesting. I thought the Adam Archelletta video led me Cadin Maynard: Mm-hmm. Yep. Brett Hart: down some phenomenal rabbit holes. I would have never learned as much as I did through that without that post. Cadin Maynard: Bro, anyone could post that. That thing goes viral no matter who posts it when they post it. People love the videos. I believe it. No, I'm just saying, but like I've seen other people that aren't you post it and it goes viral. It's like insane. Yeah. Brett Hart: I was start though. I was the OG. I will say Yeah, I know it pops every time. Pops every time. Yeah, I don't know

what it is. I don't know what I I don't know why it does. But it's different. It's cool. People like it. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Brett Hart: But that's what popped it off. And then I fell into the trap. That's why I don't really like when strength other strength coaches promote like their posting strategies to use high level athletes for engagement and everything. Is because I'm getting so many followers that don't care about me. They only care about the posts that I provide. So as soon as I talk about my story, my mission, my purpose, those people don't give a shit. They only want to see Usain Bolt sprinting. They only want to see Adam Archelletta lifting. They only want to see Polish weightlifting. Like those that stuff is sick. Don't get me wrong. It's cool. But that's not that's not Cadin Maynard: For sure. But I don't know you say Bolt, like how I can't speak on him. Brett Hart: that's not my mission. My mission is to impact as many lives as I possibly can through my journey, through my business, through my philosophy. Posting all those things to post to get engagement is not it's and I understand my positioning on this too. It's because now I'm a hundred and seventy thousand followers. Now it's easy for me to say it. I'm Cadin Maynard: Or yeah. Brett Hart: actively trying to weed those people out. Like I've thought over it many times to completely erase my social media and start over from scratch because I had a huge tight-knit community when I had 1500 followers. And once I started gaining all that traction and felt like I had more following, I felt isolated. I felt alone. I felt like no one was there for me. So I had a complete revamp and I started doing a talking head every single day, posting just my athletes. And I post like that one meme of Alabama strength conditioning coach once a year. That's the only content that isn't mine, because it is hilarious. And I will always post that because I love it. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: But other than that, I'm not going to try to tell people what to post. I'm not going to try to tell people what to do. But the goal isn't virality. The goal isn't to cast as wide of a net as possible and hope to God you catch a lot of fish. The goal is to create depth and width, like just with that core audience of who you're messaging and who you're talking to. And that is what I've always been trying to do. I engage with a lot of people now that I think that are. valuable in the industry. If I see their stories, I will listen to them and I will react to it. I will comment. I will do that. But for the longest time I didn't because I didn't felt I didn't feel like I belonged with the amount of followers that I had because they weren't truly there for me. And it sounds like really weird. And I tried to explain this a couple months ago and I didn't have the actual clear conviction and messaging behind it. And I think I just did a much better job there explaining my thought process behind it. Before it was terrible, but now I got I got a little bit more out of it. Cadin Maynard: No, and I I from someone that's on the outside looking in, I appreciate someone with your following speaking like to that. You know what I mean? Because a lot of people with such a large following would would I think side on the other side of the spectrum where like get as much followers as you can and do this and that and I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong. I'm just it really depends on what you want. And so for people that want to live out their mission and impact people with that mission, then you're gonna have to approach your content a different way. But if you're someone that is solely, you know, focused on your following and maybe how much money you can make off that. Honestly I have no clue how people make money on social media. Like I don't know how that works 'cause I don't have enough followers or anything to do that. But I'm not gonna I think there's a point where I felt jealous of people and as a result might have judged people, but I'm just I'm not there anymore. Like you do what you believe is best for you and You know, for me I know that there's a specific impact I wanna have based on my messaging and that's why I take the approach I do. But I'm not gonna, you know, tell someone that is doing something different that, you know, they're necessarily wrong, you know. Brett Hart: Yeah, I mean I I agree and I definitely found like the trap that I fell into, I felt like I wanted to warn other people. But Cadin Maynard: No, yeah. Brett Hart: having those posts do well did get more eyeballs to my page and did get a lot of higher profile strength conditioning coaches to follow my page. Now, Julian Edelman also follows me, which is I thought pretty sick. So Cadin Maynard: Badass. Brett Hart: throw that in there. Hasn't liked the single post. Definitely never seen any of my stuff, but he follows me. So doesn't matter. Get the follower. Cadin Maynard: Because now they're still following us. Brett Hart: But then I hit that number and it's just like, I don't care. I mean, when I was it's yeah, I no, it doesn't. It Cadin Maynard: Like does it make you feel fulfilled? You don't feel any different now than if you had three thousand followers, likely. Brett Hart: See, because I think the problem that I had w 'cause I had fifteen hundred followers for four years straight. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: And instead of actually embracing that and the people that followed me and cared about what I was doing, all I cared about was getting more followers. Like I wante virality. I wanted followers. I wanted to be seen. And it goes back to my baseball career. Like I always wanted to be seen as the guy. I wanted Cadin Maynard: Mm-hmm. Brett Hart: to be seen as successful more so than I was successful. Like I wanted that perceived image of me to be higher than what it was. And then whenever that was challenged, I felt like I was an imposter and I wasn't living up to

any type of perceived expectations, which I have no control over. So once I hit all those numbers, I remember it was 10K, 50K, 100K, 150K, all within six months. I felt no different. My Cadin Maynard: Yep. Brett Hart: income didn't change. My personal relationships didn't change. The athletes I trained didn't change. I get 170,000 people to follow me and I'm still training the same 15 to 20 people in real life. Like nothing Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: about my life. Granted, I did have some great remote programming sales and some programming sales from train heroic because of the following. So I will say a little bit of income did help there. But for 99% of my life, nothing changed. It was all the same. Cadin Maynard: Yeah, man, it's it's a it's super common, I would say. It's kind of a a result of the society we live in and the things that people want. and it's it's something that I've dealt with. And uniquely enough, you bring up baseball, the the moment I stopped trying so hard to be what I knew I could be. That's the moment where I started to to perform at the level that I knew I could. It's almost like you you take a step back and let go a little and just and just trust everything that you've done and those are when the things, you know, start to show up in the way you want. Like I I always give Coach Caitlin credit 'cause she opened my eyes to a lot of things. And I'm not saying I you know what I mean, like I wasn't that level of player in my first two years or in high school, but I think that I constrained my ability to express that level of play because of the way that I perceived myself and the outcome. And the moment that I was like, you know what, man, I got I got two years left of baseball and I'm gonna obviously try to do the best I can, but I'm not gonna look back at this when I'm forty and and be upset if whether I hit two twenty or three twenty and the moment that I I took that approach where I was like, I'm gonna trust all my prep and just and just go ball and that's when I started to play better. And I know there's different, you know, beliefs and people in the way that they approach the game or maybe why they're playing it or, you know, certain pressures that they have. but ultimately like you're your you're your biggest hurdle always. Brett Hart: It's always you. Al you're always in your own way. Cadin Maynard: And you have to take hold. This is another thing that I've had conversation with people about. Sorry, I I I know we're not necessarily on a question, we're kind of just chopping it up, but this is the best. Brett Hart: This is the be these these are making it the best podcast, yeah. Cadin Maynard: You have to this is gonna be, I think, hard for some people to digest. And it and it's tough for me to say because people have it way worse than me. Right? Like I'm not speaking as in like I'm very blessed. I there's some lows that I'm sure people have experienced that I haven't necessarily experienced. but you have to take full responsibility for your life. The thing you have to take 100% ownership for the things that you're experiencing. Whether they're your fault or not, you have to take ownership for them because you're the only person that can redirect that. And a lot of people are in a place where Maybe it wasn't their fault and as a result they may make some excuses or whatever it may be. You're always gonna be in that spot until you take full ownership for what's going what's happening to you. Brett Hart: I agree. It's not your fault for what you had to go through, but it is your responsibility for how you respond to it. Cadin Maynard: And so like you may something may have happened that have, you know, has caused, you know, a death like a a time of your life that's difficult and maybe you put on a lot of weight as a result and now you're out of shape. And you don't want to train because it's hard, but the only reason that you're in this position is because something happened to you that was unfair. You're right. But until you take responsibility and ownership of you in this situation, you're never gonna be able to turn yourself around. And so I i in what we were talking about, I wanted to kinda add that 'cause that's one thing that I've I've noticed with a lot of people and myself. That's I had to get to a point where I was making a lot of excuses for myself and kind of wondering why me on some things. And it wasn't until, you know, I I realized that regardless of of, you know, what happened or like I it's up to me. And it it's up Brett Hart: Mm-hmm. Cadin Maynard: to it's up to you. Brett Hart: Yeah, I mean I noticed that when you were talking about your social media and saying how you don't like it. And I've being in the same boat sometimes, you get the ick. But in my experience, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but the if you were getting a thousand likes per post, people were commenting, engaging, and responding to everything, you would you'd be on it much longer, right? Yeah. Cadin Maynard: Easy to post. Yeah. Brett Hart: You would 100%. So there's it sounds like there is a belief that you in order for you to feel like your time on the app is validated, you need the external validation in order for your post to matter. How I was saying before, I was semi-joking when I said we got one. I post specifically to only have one person actually truly listen to it and comprehend it. If I can I know at least one person is going to. So if I have one person doing that and that's my goal, that's my mission, one person, it makes post makes posting A lot easier. If it gets 10 likes, I 10x my result. If it gets a thousand likes, well, that's sick, but I a thousand X my result. It doesn't Cadin Maynard: I love that. Brett Hart: matter. The likes, the comments, the engagement, it doesn't matter because like I was saying before, my real life didn't change. There's two worlds. So just because th there's gonna be people on here saying they want to start posting,

they want to start doing it, but they're not. Well, you're linking way too much pain to the start when you could just Be linking pleasure to helping one person through something that you can only you can speak about right now. That's it. Like your Cadin Maynard: I love that. Brett Hart: message is your message. No one can take that from you. It's like that Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: guy yesterday, I wanted to talk about the the too young to strength coach. I got so many people responding to that. Cadin Maynard: We should talk about it. Yeah. Brett Hart: Yeah, because he was right. I am young, but that's not going to Hold me back from telling my story of what I'm doing currently right now. Cadin Maynard: Because guess what? You're going to be telling your story 20 years from now too. And then what? You're just Brett Hart: Exa yeah. And it Cadin Maynard: a product of your experiences. So why can't you share them? Brett Hart: There's no there shouldn't be no arbitrary number that you have to hit or some type of birthday that you're allowed to speak on what it is that you went through. Sure, you will have probably a much more polished version of your thoughts as you age. Cause as you age, if you are introspective and actually high achieving, you're hopefully going to get smarter and better at speaking. But that still doesn't Cadin Maynard: I feel it. Brett Hart: take away from the court, hopefully. I mean, on paper that sounds great, but we know how that that happens sometimes. Cadin Maynard: Tell you what, I struggle sometimes to get it out or I talk too quick. Brett Hart: Dude, it's it's tough. I I've thought about hiring a speech coach, but haven't haven't gone down that yet. Cadin Maynard: I've been fascinated with speech. There is a point in my life, honestly, I should probably start watching him again, where I would watch like a guy that he was like a I think he was a a speech coach, but he was on YouTube and he would just help people like actually speak with intellect and choose the right words and speak at a cadence that's important. Like right now, I'm speaking and I'm cognizant of the pace I'm speaking at. Before, Brett Hart: Mm. Cadin Maynard: when I go back and listen to this, I was probably blabbing away at a rate that's tough to follow. You know what I mean? Brett Hart: Well, I think that's what people really like because there's three levels of beliefs. There's opinion, belief, and conviction. So opinion's just like, like whatever. Like I like pepperoni on my pizza. Like you're not gonna go to war over that. Beliefs, then we start to actually have me like trap bar jump, Olympic lift. Those are some beliefs. And then you have the convictions that when you speak about something you are truly convicted in, and this goes back to being embodying what it is that you're selling or talking about. When you speak with conviction about that, you are not even cognizant of what you're saying. There is something, Cadin Maynard: Exactly. Brett

Hart: there's something coming over you. And authors have talked about this, talking about the Muse. Stephen Pressfield talks about this. Pierce Brown, who just wrote the Red Ri who wrote the Red Rising series, talks about this. When you get into that flow state and you are speaking about something that you're truly invested in, it's not you anymore. It's like something else, which is really cool. And so that's why when I listen back, I'm like, What the hell am I talking about? I don't have no idea sometimes. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to bring up a point you were talking about before we started talking about the speech about social media and there was a there was there have been numerous instances where I've posted something that hasn't got the engagement that I wanted and my entire character has changed as a result. Like I've, you know, posted at five o'clock and I don't have the engagement I want and I'm and I'm grumpy about it. And so now I'm showing up as a different individual for my fiance, right? Like unacceptable. And I let the validation of you know people across the phone dictate how I show up for the people that actually matter for me. And that's where I think social media can be dangerous. And that's why I love, you know, that message of I'm just trying to help one. I think that was that's something that's Brett Hart: Just have one. Cadin Maynard: gonna stick with me, man. What I want from you, we're changing roles. I'm interviewing you right now. I want you to talk about I want Brett Hart: All right, Bet. Chasing Elite. Change the title. Change the title. Cadin Maynard: you to talk about We kinda spoke about it a little over text. In whatever capacity you wanna go, I wanna hear more about that pain versus pleasure and and 'cause I talk a lot about perception and you kinda dove into those two buckets on each end Brett Hart: Mm-hmm. Cadin Maynard: of the spectrum and I kinda want you to touch on how that drives your actions and the way that you see things. Brett Hart: So I got this from Tony Robbins and Awaken the Giant Within, expanded version, just got dropped on Spotify. So if you have Spotify pre like premium, you can get the whole book for free. So Cadin Maynard: Mm. Brett Hart: just wanted to put that out there because I love Tony Robbins. The stuff he does is phenomenal. And what he talks about is we exp we all of our actions, everything that we do derives from two things: pain or pleasure. We're either trying to obtain pleasure and avoid pain. So How do we actually make decisions and go through it is becoming how we respond to that pain pleasure threshold. So we can use working out as an example because you and I, people listening to this, we love training. Why do we love training? Well, there's an emotional connection to it. So we are associating a lot of pleasure to development, the hero's journey, quote unquote, the prog, the just general progression, the knowing of what our body comp Composition is going to

look like or the potential to look like, the improvements upon it. So we are linking a ton of pleasure to that thing, which is just the act of working out. However, 90% of the human race does not view that that way because what do they link working out to? There's a lot of pain involved. There's a lot of sweat, soreness. I have to get dressed. I have to get The gym, I have to get out of my car, I have to go into this crowded commercial gym, I have to work out. There's people gonna be on the rack, they're gonna be doing this, all these constraints that they're just going to link all the pain to. So they're eventually not gonna want to do it until they reach the breaking point, until they reach somewhere so down below where I you just snap and you go, What the hell am I doing? I'm 700 pounds, I need to get my ass in shape. That's Because the pain of not being able to be in shape, not being able to live long enough. Now we're actually talking about being there for my kids, doing this, doing that, then it Cadin Maynard: outlays the actual paint. Brett Hart: outweighs the pleasure of staying at home, watching Netflix, eating Dunkin' Donuts. You see what I mean? Cadin Maynard: A hundred percent. Brett Hart: So that is where all of our actions derive from. What Tony Robbins speaks about is we don't have to wait till we're rock bottom to get out of our pain cycle. So What it is that we want to do? We want to speak on social media. All right. So we want to do more talking heads. Well, that's very painful because X, Y, and Z, I'm going to be perceived by this person. What if I mess up? What if I sound like an idiot? What if we, instead of focusing on that, because life is what we give focus to, all right, where focus goes, energy flows. What if we focus on the actual pleasure of reaching one person? What if we have the actual pleasure of Posting a hundred times in a row, I guarantee you I will get better at speaking. If my goal is public speaking, then that is going to be pleasurable for me. I'm going to get that post up. The likes, comments, everything is secondary, tertiary, they don't even exist. All right. So if we have to change our goal or our focus in order to get the actual response that it is that we want to achieve. If our goal is virality, if our goal is reaching millions of people, well, we can't control that. That's out of our control. We that's in other people's control if they perceive that as valuable. So why focus on that? Why focus on things out of our control? Why not just focus on the things that we can control? And that's our messaging, our topic of conversation, our ability to speak, actually committing to the act of doing it once per day, twice per day, whatever it is you may be. Like start start simple and build up from there and create the small wins, the daily habits that stack up over time. Then it becomes habitual, like I was saying before, where it doesn't even enter my consciousness now. Like I know I'm going to speak once I get in my car about something. Sometimes I have nothing. And I will speak about having nothing. Like I will make that post. I have there's no problem with that because it's not I'm not in it to be the best. I'm in it to get better. I'm in it to stay the distance, go the distance. Rocky didn't win in the first movie, but he was still impactful in the hero of the story because he went the distance. He didn't have to win. He didn't need the title in order for Cadin Maynard: Yeah, induced. Brett Hart: his journey to be valid. Exactly. He didn't need the title to be validated in his journey. He needed to just stay in the game. And that is strength conditioning. That is coaching. That is human development. Our ability to stay in the game outweighs our desire to be perceived as someone who is successful. Cadin Maynard: First off, wow, I got two things. One, that was the flow state that we just spoke. That was phenomenal. That was refreshing to hear. That was that was really cool. Two, I wouldn't say I listen to a lot of like Alex Hormosy, but he's always said one thing that stuck with me, and it's if if you just don't quit, you can't lose. You can't. There's so much to learn. Brett Hart: I say that all the time. I all I also have the one from Jocko that I will like to I will like to add. All loss is psychological until death. Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: Every sing if you perceive it as a loss, then yeah, it could be, but it's in your head. 'Cause did you truly lose? Cadin Maynard: This is why I say perception is performance. Brett Hart: It's huge. Cadin Maynard: That was a I appreciate you diving into that. It says, I'm I have seen who Tony Robbins is. I'm less familiar with his work than you, clearly. and kind of understanding that insight was it really puts things into perspective for ya. So not only did I, you know, hopefully come on here and share some of my thoughts, I just learned a lot from you right there. That was awesome. Brett Hart: Yeah, I'm always appreciative of people having questions 'cause I love talking about this stuff. And Cadin Maynard: The conversation. Brett Hart: I got no one I got no one to talk to about this in my day to day life. So no one no one wants to hear about this stuff. So get on a pod. Cadin Maynard: dude and at at the end of the day, like we haven't done a podcast in a while, Griff and I. but to me it's it's just a conversation. So like when we have anyone on ours, we're just like, sure we have some guiding questions, but like let's l let's allow it to take us take us where it you know it takes us 'cause that's when you're gonna, like you said, access that flow state and be able to really speak on your experiences and 'cause things are gonna intertwine and they're gonna connect and I don't wanna, you know, cut someone off when, you know they're making a connection to something that could be beneficial for someone to hear just because, you know, we need to hit a certain, you know, question that was asked or you

know what I mean? Brett Hart: I'm the same way. They're all just guides. I'll just keep on Cadin Maynard: yeah. Brett Hart: there. I have written down and if Cadin Maynard: Yeah. Brett Hart: we talk about it, we talk about it. But where the conversation naturally flows, I think that's the best. Cadin Maynard: one hundred percent, dude. Brett Hart: You got anything else you would like to speak on? Any questions for me if we weren't still reversing roles or we Cadin Maynard: No man, I you know, that was a really enjoyable conversation for me. I just feel like we kinda started talking about things that we're both really passionate about and we both put a lot of thought towards and things that really influence not only us as coaches, but just us as individuals. and being able to speak about things that are personal like this with like minded individuals is super refreshing. Because like you said, you're not going to come across a lot of people in your day-to-day that wanna talk about these things or have put the thought necessarily to do so or are even willing to do so. and so to kind of share my thought process and and the way that my belief system is starting to form with someone that one may agree with me, but also could challenge it because he's actually put in the time to, you know, think that way himself. Like this is Like this is high performance, this is high achieving for me. And that's why a lot of coaches are are that way and a lot of people learn the best through conversations like this. And you'll hear that from a ton of coaches and you're gonna learn a lot more through trial and error and experimentation and conversation with people that have actually lived the thing and done the thing than you are from, you know, a book you read and that's not anything to you know, against books. I love reading, but the conversations like this are what stick with you. look back and be like, not only did I have a great time talking to you about something that's important to me, but I learned something from you. Right? And that's this is, you know, kind of ties into our training. I want them to look back and be like, not only did I come here and you made me better at whatever I wanted to achieve, but I learned something from you about myself that I'm gonna take and go with me. And so kind of a you know full circ circle moment there. Brett Hart: Well, I appreciate your time, man. I love talking about this stuff. I know as much as you do. just to wrap us up, Caden, where can people find you? Talk to you? Like what do you got going on? Cadin Maynard: Yeah, my Instagram is is just my name. It's Caden Maynard. I'm posting more often there now, kinda you know what we spoke about and a lot of the content is just me sharing my beliefs and my experiences instead of trying to fit a certain mold based on other things that I've seen. my hopes is that if you're someone that comes across the content and you feel like you can connect to my experiences 'cause they're things that you've experienced as well, I am, you know I love working with people one on one and I am, you know, welcoming people that are like minded and and interested to do so. But most importantly, I just wanna you know, whether it be a client or not, I just wanna help impact people and and share the things that I've learned, in hopes that it can help, you know, that one person kinda like you said. And, you know, I love to have these conversations. So if you're anyone who just wants to kind of chat about your experiences because you've connected with something that I've posted or something that you've heard or please reach out and and let's have that conversation 'cause that's gonna make both of us better. Brett Hart: I would also like to note if you have made it this far in the podcast, you are exactly who we're talking about. Being a high Cadin Maynard: Hundred percent. Brett Hart: being a high achieving strength conditioning coach, personal trainer, whatever you may be, you are a high achiever because not many people can make it. Comment, comment spaghetti, Cadin Maynard: Comment if you've made it this far. Brett Hart: if you made it this far. No, comment chocolate. Comment chocolate going back to the very beginning. Comment chocolate Cadin Maynard: Yes, yeah. Brett Hart: if you made it this far. All right, Caden, until next time. Peace, brother. Cadin Maynard: Thank you, brother.