บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ He Almost Turned Down Producing 'The Chosen' | w/ Chad Gundersen

[SPEAKER_00]: And let's just say through a long string of events, God pulled me into producing. 03:56.732 --> 03:58.914 [SPEAKER_00]: And I always get the question, what is a producer do? 03:58.954 --> 04:02.056 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just say, well, it's all right, because I've been doing this for almost 30 years. 04:02.337 --> 04:04.218 [SPEAKER_00]: And my mom still doesn't know what I do for living. 04:04.238 --> 04:04.298 [SPEAKER_00]: So, 04:05.379 --> 04:09.261 [SPEAKER_00]: For all you creatives out there, it's okay that people don't understand what your dream is. 04:09.682 --> 04:11.002 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not for them to understand. 04:11.042 --> 04:12.163 [SPEAKER_00]: It's for you to understand. 04:12.183 --> 04:13.524 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, for God to understand. 04:13.584 --> 04:15.305 [SPEAKER_00]: So stay the course, stay the course. 04:15.805 --> 04:16.346 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 04:16.426 --> 04:22.169 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you're behind the scenes, you're building, you're producing, you're from projects. 04:22.589 --> 04:26.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me the story of, you get introduced to Dallas. 04:26.311 --> 04:27.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, did you know him before her hand? 04:28.653 --> 04:30.234 [SPEAKER_01]: And he gives you this idea. 04:30.254 --> 04:31.815 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey, I got this concept. 04:32.715 --> 04:36.597 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know it was like, okay, this is going to be a hit or you're like, ah, I'm not sure. 04:36.617 --> 04:38.498 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I thought it was a horrible idea. 04:39.138 --> 04:44.181 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Dallas and I actually like back in 2005, we made one of our first films together. 04:44.741 --> 04:48.203 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, this small movie that nobody's ever saw and it's okay, you don't have to go find it. 04:48.843 --> 04:53.626 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but this is also one of those testimonies of who you meet today. 04:53.706 --> 04:55.107 [SPEAKER_00]: You may work with 20 years. 04:55.147 --> 04:55.627 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on. 04:56.007 --> 04:56.968 [SPEAKER_00]: Rooms like this. 04:57.028 --> 04:58.909 [SPEAKER_00]: So go and back to these types of rooms. 04:58.929 --> 04:59.929 [SPEAKER_00]: They're so important. 05:00.350 --> 05:01.810 [SPEAKER_00]: Lock that number in your phone. 05:02.131 --> 05:10.355 [SPEAKER_00]: Go to all their all their socials and just stay connected because I promise you something's going to roll around later in life and they're going to go, you know, I knew that one gal. 05:10.395 --> 05:14.818 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember she did that thing that I need right now or that AI guy or whatever the case is. 05:15.258 --> 05:17.019 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was the situation with Dallas. 05:17.059 --> 05:18.739 [SPEAKER_00]: We made a couple of projects together. 05:19.319 --> 05:22.120 [SPEAKER_00]: Almost 20 years later, he calls me up. 05:22.260 --> 05:25.461 [SPEAKER_00]: And literally all it was is over those 15, 20 years. 05:25.541 --> 05:27.382 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like, what are you working on? 05:27.422 --> 05:28.062 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing? 05:28.082 --> 05:29.522 [SPEAKER_00]: We got to find something to do together. 05:29.562 --> 05:30.743 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we didn't find anything. 05:31.603 --> 05:36.024 [SPEAKER_00]: At the time, Dallas was the immediate director at a large church up in Chicago. 05:36.044 --> 05:36.884 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just worries from. 05:37.204 --> 05:42.006 [SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of had quit the industry, like so many do after certain failures of whatnot. 05:42.706 --> 05:51.408 [SPEAKER_00]: And he had made a short film at his church because obviously big churches, they can go make short films and do things like that, you know, for Easter and Christmas and stuff like that. 05:52.028 --> 05:58.610 [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, hey, I made this short film and I, there's a gotten the attention of some people that want to do crowdfunding. 05:58.850 --> 06:03.731 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm immediately, at least like crowdfunding is the dumbest idea I've ever heard, never works, don't do it. 06:12.673 --> 06:17.195 [SPEAKER_00]: And when he brought this idea to us, we were just like, how do we really need another Jesus project? 06:18.075 --> 06:28.479 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what the world needs, another sadly cheesy, crappy Christian content that's out there, you know, and it's just that idea of for us anyways. 06:28.519 --> 06:35.141 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, everybody's got their calling, and I'm not here to judge whatever it is God called you to do, unless it's beably wrong, and we can have a conversation about that later. 06:35.741 --> 06:46.850 [SPEAKER_00]: But what I will say is that it just wasn't in our DNA to go, let's go make another red letter to red letter, miracle to miracle, turn the page of the Bible, make a Jesus' show. 06:46.870 --> 06:49.252 [SPEAKER_00]: It just wasn't part of our, what we wanted to do. 06:50.313 --> 06:51.454 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we read the scripts. 06:52.775 --> 06:56.258 [SPEAKER_00]: And let's just say we're pretty glad we said yes, to produce the chosen. 06:56.518 --> 06:58.700 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so that's kind of how it came along. 06:58.740 --> 07:03.244 [SPEAKER_00]: It was basically just a couple of crazy people going, maybe this will work, maybe God will bless it. 07:03.404 --> 07:04.284 [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously it's, 07:05.448 --> 07:06.833 [SPEAKER_00]: Get ready for season six, man. 07:06.893 --> 07:09.662 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna destroy y'all. 07:10.103 --> 07:10.484 [SPEAKER_01]: My good. 07:12.343 --> 07:18.706 [SPEAKER_01]: I just love that, where even, so I don't know who watches the Faith House of Podcast, Chad's been on the show before. 07:19.347 --> 07:28.312 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a pattern where you would think, you know, someone that you see of whatever they're doing of greatness, you're like, oh, man, they plan that. 07:28.352 --> 07:30.434

[SPEAKER_01]: And they just, they were just so strategic and stuff. 07:30.874 --> 07:35.397 [SPEAKER_01]: But usually what I, I found, and at least on the shows, like, most people kind of run into it. 07:36.057 --> 07:37.298 [SPEAKER_01]: They kind of stumble into it. 07:37.899 --> 07:52.090 [SPEAKER_01]: My dad used to tell me, when I was 18, he said this, that your destiny isn't your decision as you're discovering, that you discover it by just obeying step after step after step. 07:52.190 --> 07:58.415 [SPEAKER_01]: And you never know when that next step is that thing, but if you don't keep walking, you just won't know. 07:58.475 --> 08:01.737 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I think one thing I love for you, just not even in my notes, 08:05.662 --> 08:07.023 [SPEAKER_01]: I see a lot of people doing this. 08:07.043 --> 08:10.105 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, I'm a wait until I get a chosen. 08:10.125 --> 08:12.287 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd be waiting a long time. 08:12.587 --> 08:14.569 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm a wait until I get an opportunity or an idea. 08:14.949 --> 08:16.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Until I take a step. 08:16.510 --> 08:18.051 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think what you said is perfect. 08:18.071 --> 08:19.633 [SPEAKER_00]: They, those that do, 08:20.668 --> 08:23.889 [SPEAKER_00]: do in the sense that faith without works is dead. 08:24.409 --> 08:28.189 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, works don't get you to heaven, but God did tell you to work. 08:28.669 --> 08:33.290 [SPEAKER_00]: He told you to get off your butt, he told you to, you know, he said a man don't work, man don't eat. 08:33.310 --> 08:38.951 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the list goes on and on about scriptures that talk about that it is a work to be done. 08:39.011 --> 08:40.971 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, you can go through every story in the Bible. 08:41.332 --> 08:45.172 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, God called them, but he normally didn't just call them and go, okay, we're good. 08:45.592 --> 08:49.873 [SPEAKER_00]: He called them and said, okay, now here's what you need to go do in order to make that thing happen. 08:50.333 --> 08:51.894 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is a huge thing for me. 08:51.994 --> 08:53.476 [SPEAKER_00]: I am all about the hustle. 08:53.576 --> 08:55.097 [SPEAKER_00]: I am all about the grind. 08:55.197 --> 08:57.359 [SPEAKER_00]: I am all about those things. 08:57.439 --> 09:01.042 [SPEAKER_00]: And if anything, I think that's what's holding people back because that's what they do. 09:01.142 --> 09:04.224 [SPEAKER_00]: Is they go, oh, and we'll just use my industry as an example. 09:04.365 --> 09:05.505 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I've been called to make movies. 09:05.586 --> 09:07.247 [SPEAKER_00]: And I go, will have you made movies? 09:07.507 --> 09:09.108 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, we'll got called me to make movies. 09:09.148 --> 09:09.429 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, 09:10.235 --> 09:25.574 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think on the film school, if you've done anything and I'm not and it's not to say that that the calling can't start here and then you get there But I also would argue again go pick any industry out there if God called a home builder he ain't gonna sell crappy homes 09:26.195 --> 09:31.278 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want a faith-based homebuilder, you still want a great home because you're about to go spend a ton of money on it. 09:31.698 --> 09:42.725 [SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that he is a faith-based homemaker does not mean that he didn't get there somehow and make something of quality because I think the faith space, especially in the entertainment. 09:42.765 --> 09:47.707 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe music has definitely ahead of the game in this but film and entertainment. 09:47.847 --> 09:50.769 [SPEAKER_00]: Now social media and all this, it definitely is lacking because 09:54.071 --> 09:55.091 [SPEAKER_00]: that it's going to succeed. 09:55.952 --> 09:59.253 [SPEAKER_00]: Let it be good and it all happens to be about God as well. 09:59.373 --> 09:59.754 [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on. 09:59.794 --> 10:00.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on. 10:00.134 --> 10:00.334 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 10:01.594 --> 10:09.018 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're about to speak past that, because this is kind of part of my excellence. 10:09.678 --> 10:15.681 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a phrase that we say in the faith also in that work, excellence is our evangelism. 10:15.741 --> 10:18.202 [SPEAKER_01]: When Samuel was looking for the next king, right? 10:19.060 --> 10:25.182 [SPEAKER_01]: is looking to all of them, and then God tells them, hey, man looks at the outward appearance, God looks at the heart. 10:26.002 --> 10:28.483 [SPEAKER_01]: We have taken that as a excuse for mediocrity. 10:29.524 --> 10:31.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, well, God knows my heart. 10:31.324 --> 10:32.785 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, but people don't. 10:33.525 --> 10:34.725 [SPEAKER_01]: They only see the outside. 10:35.185 --> 10:36.166 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. 10:36.186 --> 10:41.508 [SPEAKER_01]: The outside, so I would love for you to talk about the excellence that you guys have, because we talked about this on the show. 10:42.348 --> 10:45.869 [SPEAKER_01]: Y'all, I think you said 50% in your cast is not even saved. 10:46.169 --> 10:46.570 [SPEAKER_00]: at least. 10:46.710 --> 10:52.498 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say, well, I think 50% of casting crew being believers would be generous for me to say, absolutely not. 10:52.858 --> 10:55.342 [SPEAKER_00]: We go higher the best people for the job full stop. 10:55.582 --> 10:57.004 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the end of the conversation. 10:57.324 --> 10:59.367 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if I happen to be believers, I think that's great. 10:59.687 --> 11:03.472 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that because there's a movement in the entertainment space, 11:03.993 --> 11:04.974 [SPEAKER_00]: people are coming out. 11:05.054 --> 11:08.257 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell you how many calls we've gotten while making the chosen. 11:08.878 --> 11:20.669 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody

from Marvel, somebody from Lucas, somebody from, again, Star Wars, whatever going, hey, I'm really good at this, so I work at this level, but because I'm this good, 11:21.189 --> 11:27.233 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the only thing I can work on, because there's nothing in the faith space that take my skills and allow it to do this. 11:27.653 --> 11:38.740 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, obviously, they try, and we hear this all the time, we try to make choices that hopefully aren't too far gone, and again, I love Superhero movies, Manks, it's good versus evil and good wind, spirit. 11:39.566 --> 11:40.267 [SPEAKER_00]: that's it, right? 11:40.767 --> 11:42.769 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, you go look at Marvel and the history behind it. 11:42.789 --> 11:44.491 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so much faith but stuff in there. 11:44.831 --> 11:54.060 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's always loved that Captain America line where the guy he's saying, oh man, those guys are gods and he goes, I don't know, man, he may be I got, but he's not be god. 11:54.100 --> 12:00.367 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, or something like that, it's just like, so there's all these faith elements in that and I think the entertainment space. 12:00.987 --> 12:03.348 [SPEAKER_00]: is one that is now slowly getting there. 12:03.668 --> 12:14.872 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, there has been, especially in the movie and television, just this idea because, you know, a dove landed on the guy's shoulder and he's backlit and he did all these things that now of a sudden God's gonna bless it. 12:15.152 --> 12:16.833 [SPEAKER_00]: First of just let it be good. 12:17.233 --> 12:21.635 [SPEAKER_00]: Just let it be a good piece of entertainment and then everything else can work out, so. 12:22.597 --> 12:23.677 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's powerful. 12:23.997 --> 12:34.579 [SPEAKER_01]: I think for all of us, we have to, because again, I think we can say, oh, yeah, because my intention is right, then clearly, you just got to have to bless it. 12:34.599 --> 12:38.000 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, no, there has to be excellence. 12:38.040 --> 12:44.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when they were constructing the temple and they used the best materials and they hired the best craftsmen. 12:44.921 --> 12:46.361 [SPEAKER_00]: And they weren't all believers. 12:46.401 --> 12:47.401 [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't all believers. 12:47.421 --> 12:49.562 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm guessing, I don't want to, I'm not interpreting the Bible. 12:49.582 --> 12:50.942 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't take my, I'm not pastor. 12:51.731 --> 12:55.055 [SPEAKER_01]: But we have to assume it's like probably now all of them were. 12:55.736 --> 13:04.928 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, I think the main idea that you're getting at, which I love, is we're called to build excellent things unto the Lord. 13:05.749 --> 13:07.691 [SPEAKER_01]: God doesn't deserve half of anything. 13:08.660 --> 13:12.982 [SPEAKER_01]: half of anything and I think a lot of times we do and we kind of blame grace. 13:13.002 --> 13:25.387 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, oh, well, you know, God's got me and it's like, no, but then the question is, is do you got him because if you're trying to honor the Lord, why would you want to present crap to the Lord? 13:25.827 --> 13:26.988 [SPEAKER_00]: Why would you want that? 13:27.068 --> 13:37.192 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, so yes, God's got your back, but do you have his back in showing that you can not only have excellence and this is one of the big things for us as men, are you loving on people? 13:37.852 --> 13:52.105 [SPEAKER_00]: because in our industry, and I have a feeling, who's in the entertainment industry, social media, film, raise a hand, raise a hand, in our sector, so obviously a lot of people in the industry that, and I consider all that the industry, because we all co-mingle, we all do things. 13:52.526 --> 13:57.350 [SPEAKER_00]: And y'all know it is the most viral, hard, tough, 13:58.371 --> 13:59.152 [SPEAKER_00]: evil place. 13:59.632 --> 14:03.755 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't tell you the amount of impact and I'll brag on my wife and daughter back here. 14:04.035 --> 14:10.459 [SPEAKER_00]: Those two little hoties in the back of the world, people back there and says, so she looks like a mom, not like her dad, but it's all right. 14:11.520 --> 14:15.923 [SPEAKER_00]: But I joke, but it's true, my wife does not come to set to see me. 14:16.443 --> 14:21.246 [SPEAKER_00]: She comes to set to love on people and people are drawn to her because she's just there to love on them. 14:21.526 --> 14:23.408 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't care what walk a life you come from. 14:23.688 --> 14:25.029 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care what your background is. 14:25.569 --> 14:27.170 [SPEAKER_00]: God said to love people. 14:27.270 --> 14:53.680 [SPEAKER_00]: all that other stuff and again I'm not saying shy away from the gospel I'm not saying any of those things but if you start there it is amazing the walls that will come down of people to just go and there's something a little different about you right there's something different about to set there's something different about the leadership and so I think that's just such a big place to start is starting that place and love but I also think that that excellence thing is going to come back to that because again what they are going to respect about you is your work ethic. 14:53.760 --> 14:56.622 [SPEAKER_00]: They are going to respect that you put out good quality content. 14:56.642 --> 14:58.724 [SPEAKER_00]: They are going to respect those things. 14:59.064 --> 15:02.127 [SPEAKER_00]: They may not like your message, but they can't argue that it's a good piece of art. 15:02.307 --> 15:03.027 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so good. 15:03.768 --> 15:07.431 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the hardest things about being a Christian entrepreneur is doing it alone. 15:07.651 --> 15:10.073 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard for us to find the right community. 15:10.313 --> 15:15.237 [SPEAKER_01]: You either have your church

community or your business community, but rarely do those things next. 15:15.637 --> 15:21.782 [SPEAKER_01]: And the future of your business is solely tied to the relationships that you surround yourself with. 15:22.062 --> 15:24.224 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why we created the Faith Hustle Network. 15:24.624 --> 15:28.788 [SPEAKER_01]: It's designed for kingdom entrepreneurs to get in community together. 15:28.948 --> 15:30.489 [SPEAKER_01]: We have two different options. 15:30.529 --> 15:34.373 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a free option and we have a private paid community. 15:34.893 --> 15:42.660 [SPEAKER_01]: And each of these communities is designed to get even the right spaces with the right conversations so that you can build your business that way. 15:42.840 --> 15:54.355 [SPEAKER_01]: We do weekly calls with seven eight figure kingdom business owners teaching about marketing and branding and sales and systems so that you can build your business on the right foundation. 15:54.535 --> 16:00.683 [SPEAKER_01]: We do Bible studies and prayer meetings to support one another and encourage each other's journey. 16:01.043 --> 16:08.066 [SPEAKER_01]: Not to mention, you get access to our monthly events that we do here in the Dallas area and soon in other cities. 16:08.407 --> 16:10.828 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be isolated as a Christian entrepreneur. 16:11.088 --> 16:13.909 [SPEAKER_01]: The community you've been looking for is only a quick away. 16:14.229 --> 16:18.331 [SPEAKER_00]: We can't wait to see you get in community and build business God's way together. 16:18.471 --> 16:28.076 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a cast and crew at some of them I believe are some of them or not, but you've had some really cool testimonies of people who were not saved that God worked on them while they were filming. 16:28.136 --> 16:29.176 [SPEAKER_01]: I love for you to share some 16:30.951 --> 16:32.773 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's definitely been a lot of just cool. 16:32.793 --> 16:34.654 [SPEAKER_00]: We call them our red sea moments, right? 16:34.674 --> 16:39.078 [SPEAKER_00]: Where it's just like your backs against the wall and you're like, unless God shows up, we're no way we're getting through this. 16:39.539 --> 16:45.023 [SPEAKER_00]: But as far as just straight ministry things, one of my favorite stories literally just happened this last season. 16:45.564 --> 16:48.346 [SPEAKER_00]: So season six, it's about to come out as the crucifixion season. 16:48.587 --> 16:49.708 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's gonna... 16:50.542 --> 16:51.262 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be rough. 16:51.382 --> 16:52.603 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be rough. 16:52.643 --> 16:53.383 [SPEAKER_00]: The whole season. 16:53.463 --> 16:54.043 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not ready. 16:54.283 --> 16:54.863 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not ready. 16:55.043 --> 16:58.384 [SPEAKER_00]: The whole season takes place in 24 hours, like it's just, you know, it's that whole thing. 16:59.685 --> 17:01.665 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, and I'm not giving any to Wakes. 17:01.725 --> 17:03.286 [SPEAKER_00]: I assume most of y'all read the books. 17:03.346 --> 17:04.966 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, story out yet. 17:05.186 --> 17:06.167 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, spoiler. 17:06.207 --> 17:06.787 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 17:06.827 --> 17:09.668 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not doing any spoilers here or anything, but you can just go to the Gospels. 17:09.828 --> 17:10.488 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. 17:11.690 --> 17:36.138 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, you know, but I think one of the greatest stories is we've seen salvation, we've seen people coming back to the Lord, we've seen people just question and lean in, but this last season there's a guy on the show by the name of Ad, his character name is Adicus, he's kind of like the secret service guy, you guys in the home talking about, right, he's kind of, he's always eaten an apple or something, he's kind of our bread pit for motions 11, raise always eat the nacho or something. 17:37.939 --> 17:42.587 [SPEAKER_00]: He's one of these spiritual people, right, where it's just, you know, spiritual. 17:43.308 --> 17:49.097 [SPEAKER_00]: And he went on a journey in the last couple of years and he did get drastically saved about two years ago. 17:49.217 --> 17:50.899 [SPEAKER_00]: But here, but here, that's not the good part. 17:50.920 --> 17:51.861 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, oh, it is a good part. 17:51.901 --> 17:52.222 [SPEAKER_00]: I always say, 17:54.019 --> 18:10.763 [SPEAKER_00]: Apologize, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, Liza, 18:22.925 --> 18:27.528 [SPEAKER_00]: And being that I got recently saved these guys have been encouraging me and they said I need to get baptized. 18:28.229 --> 18:29.250 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, well that's awesome. 18:29.610 --> 18:35.074 [SPEAKER_00]: So we should show on a salvation army camp and there are ponds and there's a lake and there's a pool and all these things. 18:35.114 --> 18:36.995 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, dude, go find a place. 18:37.035 --> 18:38.256 [SPEAKER_00]: We will dunk you right now. 18:38.296 --> 18:39.237 [SPEAKER_00]: Like let's get on with it. 18:40.038 --> 18:41.018 [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes well. 18:41.058 --> 18:45.902 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still working and I want to find a time and people have been telling people on the cast and crew and people want to come. 18:45.942 --> 18:48.744 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, well, what's, you know, obviously we have a job to do. 18:48.784 --> 18:49.745 [SPEAKER_00]: But this is important. 18:49.785 --> 18:50.906 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's lean into it. 18:51.666 -->

18:55.488 [SPEAKER_00]: So he kind of goes, well, hey, here's my last day of shooting, that'd be a great day for us to do it. 18:55.888 --> 18:59.630 [SPEAKER_00]: And in our industry, days are always changing, schedules always moving around all this sort of stuff. 18:59.670 --> 19:04.632 [SPEAKER_00]: So we pick the day, Dallas approves it, you know, the team approves it, everybody's excited about it. 19:05.292 --> 19:08.954 [SPEAKER_00]: And this schedule keeps a kept changing and kind of what we were shooting on that day. 19:09.314 --> 19:12.615 [SPEAKER_00]: So it finally landed and I think it changed like two days before. 19:13.095 --> 19:18.658 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking at the schedule and there's a flashback scene of when Jesus gets baptized by John. 19:20.554 --> 19:23.678 [SPEAKER_00]: So I messaged Johnathan Rumi who plays Jesus. 19:23.718 --> 19:31.106 [SPEAKER_00]: I said, hey, it's pretty cool that Jesus being him because I gotta remind him he's not Jesus all the time. 19:31.347 --> 19:39.716 [SPEAKER_00]: I said, I know it's awesome that we're doing this scene with JTB as we call him John the Baptist, but we're actually gonna do a real baptism on that day. 19:40.557 --> 19:41.919 [SPEAKER_00]: And it just wrecked people. 19:41.959 --> 19:48.128 [SPEAKER_00]: So literally we had this whole scene, the crews there and the lights are up, getting ready for the John the Baptist scene. 19:48.609 --> 19:52.595 [SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden we go, okay, hold on one second before we do this and he comes walking. 19:52.615 --> 19:55.379 [SPEAKER_00]: So the entire past, people are just going crazy. 19:55.739 --> 19:58.080 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's crying, you know, it's just this thing. 19:58.100 --> 19:59.160 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna cry right now. 19:59.440 --> 20:02.481 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just such a powerful moment that it's like, all right, everybody get back to work. 20:02.501 --> 20:04.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead, Jonathan, get down there and let's go. 20:04.161 --> 20:13.444 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's like, but it was just a powerful moment of somebody going, the show has impacted me in such a way that I want to make this public declaration and it was pretty powerful. 20:13.504 --> 20:14.544 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, come on. 20:16.404 --> 20:19.025 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, but don't tell anybody that's in the scene there. 20:19.065 --> 20:19.905 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 20:19.925 --> 20:21.045 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that is powerful. 20:21.406 --> 20:22.726 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, man. 20:23.650 --> 20:24.811 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you're catching a vision. 20:24.851 --> 20:30.653 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason why we even do this, we have these fire-side chats, we have these, it's so you can get a glimpse of what's possible. 20:31.834 --> 20:35.736 [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Darrys Daniels, he has this saying, whoever has your ear has your future. 20:36.856 --> 20:42.119 [SPEAKER_01]: And so whoever you listen to, it will determine your steps of where you go. 20:42.919 --> 20:47.701 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, we're trying to, God, and I wanna add to that, and that includes yourself. 20:48.982 --> 21:02.328 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu 21:14.953 --> 21:19.356 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a jealousy that you have this vision that's way bigger than anybody can imagine. 21:19.656 --> 21:24.159 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I know that because I grew up in small town Texas and I ended up making one to make movies. 21:24.239 --> 21:27.321 [SPEAKER_00]: And so trust me, I know what it feels like for people to go. 21:27.341 --> 21:29.523 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you go get a real job? 21:29.963 --> 21:30.883 [SPEAKER_00]: A real job. 21:30.903 --> 21:31.184 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:31.324 --> 21:33.325 [SPEAKER_00]: And my wife agrees, they might be able to understand. 21:34.198 --> 21:34.979 [SPEAKER_00]: Bridge. 21:35.039 --> 21:36.660 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so sorry to interrupt me. 21:36.720 --> 21:38.041 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a great interrupt. 21:38.081 --> 21:38.541 [SPEAKER_01]: You kidding me? 21:39.001 --> 21:42.123 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but I I just want to share this is why we're doing it. 21:42.143 --> 21:48.468 [SPEAKER_01]: So as you're listening this, I want you to kept a glimpse of what like In your industry what's pop? 21:48.568 --> 21:56.553 [SPEAKER_01]: I just I had a woman in our show Michelle Brogan She does these dance Competitions and these dance conventions. 21:56.593 --> 21:58.315 [SPEAKER_01]: You know thousands of people in the dance world 21:59.215 --> 22:17.072 [SPEAKER_01]: and she'll do a dance thing and they'll do their thing and it's a pretty successful and they get so many people say they just had to get like a portable jacuzzi to baptize people at a dance competition like these things are happening uh Brandon Forbes he's been on our show he's part of our tour 22:18.053 --> 22:19.193 [SPEAKER_01]: online marketing is this thing. 22:19.253 --> 22:28.616 [SPEAKER_01]: He built a funnel based off the success of his business for a free Bible study where he shared the gospel in less than a year, 1,000 people got saved. 22:29.016 --> 22:35.257 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, where in your industry, where in what you're doing can you bring the kingdom of God in? 22:35.897 --> 22:38.218 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're called to take over. 22:38.658 --> 22:42.059 [SPEAKER_01]: We're called, and Doc, I'll say this too, and the honest 22:49.303 --> 22:50.686 [SPEAKER_01]: So, to be honest with you. 22:51.708 --> 22:56.890 [SPEAKER_01]: The church avoided media, the church avoided Hollywood, and we noticed because the movies were terrible. 22:57.451 --> 22:58.831 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were awful.

22:58.931 --> 23:01.553 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it used to be the standard in Hollywood. 23:01.573 --> 23:09.356 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you go back to the early days of Hollywood and it was all about the 10 commandments and it was all about all of these films that were literally were biblically based. 23:09.776 --> 23:15.859 [SPEAKER_00]: And then my business partner Chris says this all the time, we were linguist media, we were linguist culture. 23:16.239 --> 23:19.301 [SPEAKER_00]: We started disengaging because it's so bad, and it's so mean. 23:19.981 --> 23:24.044 [SPEAKER_00]: like you, Sissy's quit and I'm freaking, come on, like, why? 23:24.124 --> 23:24.945 [SPEAKER_00]: Like why is it? 23:25.005 --> 23:34.471 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we sit back and we get so mad and we get so angry because there's all this bad content and all these people and all these different messages being put out there and it's like, that's not their fault. 23:34.912 --> 23:35.472 [SPEAKER_00]: That's our fault. 23:35.492 --> 23:36.073 [SPEAKER_00]: That's our fault. 23:36.713 --> 23:39.175 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get mad at them, get mad at. 23:41.210 --> 23:43.952 [SPEAKER_00]: It's where you need to get mad and get mad in a righteous way. 23:43.992 --> 23:47.714 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get mad because I also say we will eat our own. 23:48.575 --> 23:51.316 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we will say this because I've experienced this so much. 23:51.817 --> 23:53.358 [SPEAKER_00]: How can I help you? 23:53.978 --> 23:55.579 [SPEAKER_00]: Like right now, what can I do? 23:55.879 --> 23:56.900 [SPEAKER_00]: And I promise you. 23:57.280 --> 24:00.522 [SPEAKER_00]: And I also think you need to make sure that your expectations are in the right way. 24:00.902 --> 24:04.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I do get put in rooms a lot and it's like it's all about giving me a job. 24:04.384 --> 24:06.105 [SPEAKER_00]: Give me a job and hold on. 24:06.145 --> 24:07.086 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't hire everybody. 24:07.606 --> 24:09.628 [SPEAKER_00]: But give me just one thing. 24:10.528 --> 24:12.289 [SPEAKER_00]: one thing, actually where's Stephanie? 24:12.309 --> 24:13.130 [SPEAKER_00]: She's in here somewhere. 24:13.270 --> 24:14.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Stephanie? 24:14.310 --> 24:14.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 24:14.551 --> 24:15.351 [SPEAKER_00]: Migrantals, where are you at? 24:15.371 --> 24:16.212 [SPEAKER_00]: You in the room somewhere? 24:16.332 --> 24:17.012 [SPEAKER_00]: I know she's hiding. 24:17.132 --> 24:21.255 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, she came up to me and she's just now getting into this industry. 24:21.735 --> 24:24.657 [SPEAKER_00]: And what I said to her immediately, I can introduce you to an agent. 24:25.763 --> 24:26.664 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you're good enough. 24:27.364 --> 24:33.708 [SPEAKER_00]: You may not be, and that's not up to me to determine whether you're good enough or not, but what I can do is make a phone call for you. 24:34.509 --> 24:45.637 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, anybody in this room can make a phone call for somebody else, because I promise you, there's an email to be had, there's just an introduction, then it's on you what you do with it, and then it goes back to that whole faith without works as best. 24:45.777 --> 24:50.240 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing to hustle to get it done, but also help each other? 24:50.380 --> 24:53.583 [SPEAKER_00]: because again, all ships rise, man, and I've to been my opinion forever. 24:54.064 --> 24:56.406 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, just let's all go do this together. 24:56.907 --> 24:58.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Very few, especially in our industry. 24:58.829 --> 25:00.731 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you guys have watched credits to movies. 25:00.891 --> 25:06.837 [SPEAKER_00]: It is hundreds, if not thousands of people that make a movie, but yet you know who the actors are and you know who the director of it. 25:07.258 --> 25:09.760 [SPEAKER_00]: As it, like, you don't even know who producers are. 25:10.962 --> 25:11.923 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you didn't know who I was. 25:13.330 --> 25:29.143 [SPEAKER_00]: don't pretend like you didn't know who I was now and it's funny because like you may have seen my name in the credits or something like that but you just don't know who I am that's totally fine because obviously there's marketing and there's a strategy behind it anybody that's in marketing knows that there's a piece to that. 25:29.623 --> 25:33.366 [SPEAKER_00]: but it takes all of us to actually make what you see on that screen. 25:33.767 --> 25:49.920 [SPEAKER_00]: So that grip is just as important as that actor is just as important as that make-up artist, as just as important as that costume designer, as that carpenter, the list goes on and on and on because it takes everybody and I think the chosen was just kind of a perfect storm that kind of just all came together and said, man, this is actually pretty good. 25:50.693 --> 25:51.354 [SPEAKER_01]: So beautiful. 25:51.414 --> 25:51.915 [SPEAKER_01]: So beautiful. 25:52.596 --> 26:03.850 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I want to ask what you obviously you can leave us in some last words for those who specifically feel called the media to the creative space, but I've actually loved for you to pray for us. 26:03.910 --> 26:05.211 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to transition here. 26:05.231 --> 26:06.233 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do some worship. 26:06.993 --> 26:09.756 [SPEAKER_01]: And just see the presence of God just flood this place. 26:10.356 --> 26:13.879 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you know this, we didn't just come for vise, we came from all of those. 26:14.800 --> 26:27.351 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I just love for you just to, yeah, if you have any last thought and then just to pray over the room, especially though, I say raise your hand if you fill call to the creative space specifically, like, in media and entertainment, anything like that. 26:27.651 --> 26:29.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're going to do this real quick. 26:29.613 --> 26:31.635 [SPEAKER_01]: If

you see someone to keep your hand up, keep your hand up. 26:31.915 --> 26:36.619 [SPEAKER_01]: If you see someone for your hand up, can you put your hand on your shoulder respectfully, just a hand on their shoulder? 26:36.639 --> 26:37.660 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's going out in the spirit, man. 26:37.680 --> 26:38.200 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't run now, man. 26:38.220 --> 26:38.621 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's my catchers? 26:38.661 --> 26:39.522 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't don't stand by that guy right there. 26:39.542 --> 26:48.269 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 26:48.529 --> 26:49.230 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay. 26:49.751 --> 26:51.172 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you, would you pray for us? 26:51.252 --> 26:51.453 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 26:51.733 --> 26:53.775 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I do want to give this is my piece of advice. 26:53.795 --> 26:57.420 [SPEAKER_00]: This is something that God gave me this year, and it's going to be kind of a thing that I go on. 26:57.940 --> 27:02.385 [SPEAKER_00]: And the saying is simple, embrace the suck and enjoy the journey. 27:03.598 --> 27:05.240 [SPEAKER_00]: because it is not going to be easy. 27:05.560 --> 27:12.446 [SPEAKER_00]: And I assure you you're not going to enjoy the hard parts in the moment, but what I do guarantee is you'll look back and go that was worth it. 27:12.726 --> 27:13.387 [SPEAKER_00]: That was one of them. 27:13.767 --> 27:16.209 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a journey guy, my wife's a destination gal. 27:16.610 --> 27:19.052 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm all about the journey. 27:19.112 --> 27:21.634 [SPEAKER_00]: So embrace the suck and enjoy the journey. 27:21.714 --> 27:23.736 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my little bit there. 27:23.856 --> 27:24.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, yeah, let's pray. 27:24.917 --> 27:25.278 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's pray. 27:26.652 --> 27:28.393 [SPEAKER_00]: Father, we're just so thankful for this time. 27:28.953 --> 27:35.878 [SPEAKER_00]: Father, I just asked that first and foremost, you bless McKuenda and his team and what the vision is that you gave them to do this, Father. 27:36.278 --> 27:50.127 [SPEAKER_00]: Continue to let them hustle, continue to let them walk in faith and all that they're doing and all the volunteers, everybody that was involved in this evening just bless their businesses, bless their families as we're away, doing the things that we're doing. 27:50.867 --> 27:56.208 [SPEAKER_00]: Father, I want to just stand right now in the gap for those that want to enter into this media world. 27:57.388 --> 28:00.529 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything in our society is downstream of media. 28:00.969 --> 28:07.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Politics or downstream of media, our families are downstream of media because media just influences and touches everything. 28:07.170 --> 28:08.930 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's an ever-expanding thing. 28:09.351 --> 28:10.931 [SPEAKER_00]: So Father, give us that ground. 28:11.331 --> 28:16.592 [SPEAKER_00]: Give us that space to go into that area that you've called us to be. 28:16.652 --> 28:16.732 [SPEAKER_00]: And 28:17.152 --> 28:22.937 [SPEAKER_00]: And I pray over everybody in this room because I'm of the opinion that creativity touches everything. 28:23.498 --> 28:31.885 [SPEAKER_00]: I promise you that when you sit down with your accountant while you're about to go through tax season, you're going to pray for the creativity of that tax advisor. 28:32.345 --> 28:35.687 [SPEAKER_00]: to figure out something to help you pay less taxes. 28:36.107 --> 28:42.511 [SPEAKER_00]: So don't tell me that creativity that God gave us does not apply to every walk of life. 28:42.932 --> 28:45.153 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just put that over everybody in this room. 28:45.213 --> 28:46.614 [SPEAKER_00]: They came here for a reason. 28:46.654 --> 28:47.935 [SPEAKER_00]: They came here expecting. 28:48.295 --> 28:50.716 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, Father, I just asked that you just delivered to them. 28:50.736 --> 28:51.597 [SPEAKER_00]: They've got the faith. 28:51.957 --> 28:56.601 [SPEAKER_00]: They came, their faith is not without works, so let's bless them in this moment, Father. 28:57.041 --> 29:06.229 [SPEAKER_00]: I just thank you for the safety as everybody leaves here tonight as they travel home, bless them, bless their families and bless their homes Lord in your name we pray. 29:06.770 --> 29:07.070 [SPEAKER_00]: Amen. 29:07.270 --> 29:07.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Amen. 29:08.090 --> 29:09.191 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we give it up for Chad? 29:09.751 --> 29:13.073 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for watching this episode of The Faith Hustle Podcast. 29:13.093 --> 29:19.296 [SPEAKER_01]: We hope you felt challenged and encouraged and equipped to walk out your faith hustle. 29:19.696 --> 29:27.660 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you enjoyed this episode, we encourage you to subscribe to The Podcast, whether you're listening on YouTube or any audio platform. 29:27.780 --> 29:29.061 [SPEAKER_01]: As well, leave us a review. 29:29.101 --> 29:33.463 [SPEAKER_01]: It helps us so much in our rating so we can get the word out to more people. 29:33.623 --> 29:42.536 [SPEAKER_01]: Each week we have these conversations with business I want to build their business God's way and so we look forward to growing with you on your faith hustle journey. 29:42.796 --> 29:43.638 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time.