บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ * DeShaun Tate, Lansing-bred and Atlanta-based Prep-Pro Basketball Analyst & Reporter @TatesTakeHoops

way to go for that. 76 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.520 But it's good that she's thinking about the future, you 77 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.319 know what I mean. She's always thinking ahead. You gotta 78 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:47.240 think ahead nowadays, you know. Speaking of thinking ahead, I 79 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:50.280 know you are a huge Michigan State fan, a huge 80 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.840 Michigan State basketball fan, right, so I want to get 81 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:59.639 your thoughts on Kevin Guskowitz remaining in the Green and White, 82 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:03.439 deciding to stay here in East Lansing and not go 83 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:07.159 to Clemson. And obviously I think it would is safe 84 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:09.319 to say. I hate to assume, because you know what 85 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.719 happens when I start assuming Bishan, but I think it's 86 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.919 safe to assume that one Tom Iszel had a big 87 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:20.920 part in this, this tran this this happening, this change 88 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:23.680 of heart. Now, I don't want to gloss over anyone 89 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.439 else that Obviously it's a team effort. A lot more 90 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.639 people had a lot to do with it as well, 91 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.439 But just your thoughts as far as Kevin Guskowitz staying 92 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:37.279 at Michigan State and Tom Izzo's involvement in that. 93 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.600 Yeah, I'll be really transparent with you. I'm not as 94 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.879 close with you. I don't believe in coming on programs 95 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.439 and you know, playing radio, I'm not as close to 96 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.199 it as maybe a lot of others or what have you. 97 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:52.720 Sure for everything that I've heard is that you know, 98 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.079 there's there's really good things coming out of this story, 99 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:58.759 and you know, as as long as the powers that 100 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:02.480 be to do such things like accomplished. Because at the 101 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.680 end of the day, it is what it is. Whether 102 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.360 Kevin Guskollwitz don't ask me to spell it, I can 103 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:11.680 barely say it. Whether Kevin Guskowitz is remaining there at 104 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:16.199 Michigan State, or doesn't matter if Final four is gonna 105 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:19.720 be in Detroit, or if Jeremy Fears is coming back 106 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:22.240 to East Lansing and it's gonna be the top point 107 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.879 guard in the country and gonna, you know, maybe have 108 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:28.519 the honors of getting National Player of the Year. None 109 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.040 of that matters in the world of the Shawn Tate 110 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:35.079 in terms of uh in In in the Tate residence, 111 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:40.360 in terms of as long as things are done you know, right, 112 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.120 the correct way, and that you know we are putting 113 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:49.319 you know, scholar athletes first obviously, and and and not 114 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.319 doing anything ridiculously illegal or any of that kind of stuff, 115 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.319 whatever what have you. Bottom line is in the Tate 116 00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:00.600 Residents National Championship, that's the reality of it. Talk about 117 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.879 final fours, we can talking about another Sweet sixteen appearance 118 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.480 amongst so many of the other whatever you want to 119 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:09.959 name it by flying by far, fine by me. But 120 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.720 it's all about It's all about cut standing on the letter, 121 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.399 cutting down that net, and especially with the pressure of 122 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:18.879 you know who doing it just a couple of months ago. 123 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:21.480 So I think if that's what get us closer to 124 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.079 the ultimate goal, by all means, so be it. 125 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:30.920 So let me ask you on July seventh, July, I 126 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.759 don't even know what day it is, July seventh, at 127 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:41.439 four thirty nine pm, would you consider would you would 128 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:46.879 you consider Michigan State one of the top ten favorites 129 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:48.160 to win a national title? 130 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.720 Absolutely, no question, And I think that there's some very 131 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:54.480 much conversation for being considered the top five. 132 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:56.399 I was gonna I was gonna that ask My next 133 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:58.920 question would you go as high as top five. 134 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.759 I would go as high as top five, top three. 135 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.240 I think it's very much debatable. Could they be in 136 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:07.680 that conversation. I think they have a case. Can some 137 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.600 other teams have a case pushing Michigan State outside of 138 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.959 the top three or something like that, maybe even top five. 139 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.360 I think that there's teams that definitely can make a 140 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:18.879 case for themselves. But within the top ten, I don't 141 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.160 think you can name ten programs to have a better 142 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.560 chance of standing on the ladder in Detroit before you 143 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:25.560 mentioned Michigan State. 144 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:28.120 All right, speaking of Detroit, I want to switch to 145 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.480 the NBA, and I want to ask you, honestly, you 146

00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:36.480 follow the NBA as well, especially with the Atlanta Hawks 147 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:44.000 and your history there. Have you seen such a wild 148 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:48.920 NBA offseason in the past what ten years as we're 149 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:53.399 seeing right now, as far as movement, as far as movement, 150 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:57.639 and as far as trading places. We'll get into specifics 151 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:00.399 here in just a second, but just overall what we've 152 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:05.560 seen so far and there's more to come, I would imagine, uh, 153 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:10.319 as far as that goes for the NBA off season, No. 154 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.639 I was gonna say, COVID Boston Rob that COVID year, 155 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:17.600 but that was the total opposite of movement. There was 156 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:19.560 not much moving at the time, So I guess that 157 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:23.079 one wouldn't call outside of that, I can't think of one. 158 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:27.399 I mean, I feel like we're slightly prisoners of the 159 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:30.120 moment right now with the movement of what's going on. 160 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.279 I feel like there's always typically some sort of big 161 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:35.799 time moves around this time of the year, right around 162 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.440 summer league or just before a summer league, or even 163 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:43.200 during a summer league. Excuse me, but I think that 164 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.480 there has definitely been a good bit. There's a big 165 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.120 you know that there's a reason for everyone to be 166 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.759 kind of all up in arms, if you will, the 167 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.480 way that everyone seems to be about the whether it 168 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:56.320 be the Jaln Brown or whether it be the Jiannas, 169 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.759 I mean, big name players. Yeah, than anything. John Moran 170 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:03.879 is another thought. He was maybe where gonna go and 171 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.960 where's Lebron gonna go again has a lot to do 172 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:12.159 with it again. Yep, absolutely, And so you know, I 173 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:15.279 I it wouldn't surprise me the least bit if we 174 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.360 ended up hearing him coming down with all of this news, 175 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.440 you know, right during the time of the World Cup 176 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.320 and everything else that's happening. But uh, I think that 177 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.320 there's probably some other, you know, examples. I don't know 178 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:30.720 them to be exact, but I think that it has 179 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:34.399 been relatively busy and a good busy for pretty much 180 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:39.720 just about everybody. I think, Uh, but you know, more 181 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:45.600 more more, I guess, just confusion in the world of basketball. 182 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.720 You're never gonna hear any complaints for me as long 183 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.159 as people were with everything else going on. Football is 184 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:53.320 around the corner. We've got World Cup, We've got this, 185 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:57.600 We've got that. More Basketball conversations is always a cossing mobel. 186 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.919 That's why. That's why I have you here. So I 187 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.360 know Jack had you on earlier after the draft and 188 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.600 he asked you, uh, you know, who do you think 189 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:09.279 won the draft? And things of that nature. Now that 190 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:12.799 we have some movement in this off season and the 191 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:17.720 summer league is starting, which i've i've I've I've peaked 192 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:22.559 at a few games, just your overall thoughts, I guess, 193 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:25.399 I guess I will ask you as for the movement 194 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.840 so far, who do you think has win the summer 195 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.639 months here in the NBA? Which couple of teams not one? 196 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:34.039 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pigeonhole you and say 197 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.240 who is the best? But just a couple of teams 198 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:39.799 that you're really intrigued with now, whether it's because a 199 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.759 movement in the in the in the off season, or 200 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.840 just trades. And you've seen them, these rookies, A couple 201 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:47.960 of rookies now play in the Summer League. Who do 202 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:49.759 you really who's really caught your eye? 203 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:57.080 Yeah? I mean, first of all, I'll say this, and 204 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.120 this is with the utmost respect, right for and I 205 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.200 always have to preface this before I say this, because 206 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:05.840 I want to be very clear with my verbiage, with 207 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:10.799 the utmost respect of every phenomenal thing that Desmond Ferguson 208 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.600 does over there at Moneyball. This is almost like the 209 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.720 equivalent to a degree, right. I don't put a lot 210 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.240 of stock into Summer League. I'm not one of those 211 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.200 guys partularly, but for what everything that I've seen, I mean, 212 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.120 Utah looks really good. I think that they could potentially 213 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.600 position themselves with all the positions that they have filled 214 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:35.320 there in Salt Lake City, you know, with adding Darren Peterson, 215

00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.759 who's just been really off the charts and been really good. 216 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:43.759 I expect some really big blowbacker just overreaction to what 217 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.440 he's been able to do so far. He's looked really 218 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:47.080 really good. 219 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:51.320 Yeah right, that is that is? 220 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.240 That is correct. I think another guy that probably hasn't 221 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.600 done as well. Sure he's been scoring pretty well, playing 222 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:06.360 pretty will relatively, but has and I guess, you know, 223 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:08.799 just trying to shake the cobwebs and some of the 224 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.519 butterflies and anything and everything else out and people that 225 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.960 you know in your market are very familiar with is 226 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:16.960 Darius a cuff can put numbers up looking really good. 227 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.799 Kind of reminds me of the similar pro space style 228 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.600 to Jalen Brunson. But he hasn't been shooting it all 229 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:24.919 that well. It's just been a ton of shots that 230 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:27.879 have been going up. So I think that he's you know, 231 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.679 done very well for himself or fairly well for himself. 232 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:34.960 He's gonna have and he's going to have every opportunity 233 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:36.879 in Sacramento, that is for sure. 234 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:40.000 For sure, no question, no question at all. As he 235 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:42.240 should by the way, But like I said, I mean 236 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:44.320 those are just a couple of guys Summer league as 237 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.960 just getting started this week, So there hasn't been you know, 238 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.960 there's been a small sample size of many players and 239 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.519 or teams to kind of look at. But I think 240 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:55.240 that we'll have a lot more answers to those questions 241 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:59.960 later on this weekend when everybody is participating in law. 242 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:02.559 Okay, I'm going to bring this up. And I have 243 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:07.399 not talked about this on this show one minute, one 244 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:12.000 second even, I have not mentioned this. Uh And actually, fans, 245 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:14.919 I'm gonna take you behind the curtain. Deshon Tait is 246 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:19.960 the one that broke the news to me as I 247 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:23.840 was texting with him about something else. I don't know 248 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:25.879 what I was texting you about. Maybe it was the 249 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:28.120 drive up for the drive after dark, I'm not sure. 250 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:34.080 But but the Jalen Brown situation, I have not muttered 251 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:36.440 one word on this microphone about it on the air. 252 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.000 But first I want to get I want to get 253 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:42.919 your take. Now that it's kind of it's happened, we've 254 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:47.159 all had the chance to digest it. Brad Stevens came 255 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:54.080 out yesterday and gave his explanation on why it transpired. 256 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:59.600 So de'shaontate, I give the floor to you your thoughts 257 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.799 on the Jalen Brown trade to Philadelphia. 258 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.360 Yeah, I just think that it really depends on what 259 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.480 side of the fence that you kind of sit on 260 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:12.320 in terms of the treatment behind, how it was done, 261 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:15.519 or what you feel like they got for him, or 262 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.120 whatever the case may because some people are you know, 263 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.320 feeling their ways around, you know, where he went. Obviously 264 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.240 there's a rivalry piece there between Philadelphia and Boston, and 265 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.759 you know Philadelphia, you know that being the team that 266 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.759 put them out, and you know, all of these different things. 267 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:34.600 I think that there's a lot of narratives. I think 268 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:36.480 there's a lot of elements, a lot of layers to 269 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:40.840 the onion there. But you know what, I what I 270 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:46.519 hope isn't the case is that Jalen Brown goes to 271 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.879 Philadelphia with this chip on his shoulder that doesn't help 272 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:56.320 him look forward to the next chapter. And I'm not 273 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:59.360 saying that it would or would not, but you know, 274 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.759 when and I'm all for people cracking open the mic 275 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:05.960 or you know, whatever, you know, whatever they want to 276 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.519 do to say how they feel and express you know, 277 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:12.639 how they feel things transpired and everything else, by all means, 278 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:15.000 do what you do. I thought that that was just 279 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.919 probably something I wouldn't have done. But I'm also not 280 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:21.879 in his position. So from that standpoint, and you've got 281 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.240 to understand his frustration a little bit with some of 282 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:27.080 this as well. I mean, you factor in, he's a 283 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.639 number three pick in the draft. They bring in this 284 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:33.559 other guy and he's their guy, and Jaylen Brown has 285 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.240

done absolutely everything, I mean, from the time that they 286 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:39.200 had Gordon Hayward there and then there's another guy, Kyrie Irving, 287 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.600 and then there's another guy, and it just seems like 288 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:43.960 he always was the one that had to kind of 289 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:47.279 take a back seat to someone else throughout that process, 290 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:49.799 and then all the way to get him to a 291 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.559 point where he's put its team in position to be 292 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.600 a you know, a number two seed in the East 293 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:58.960 without you know, a whether it's a Batman, whether it's 294 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:00.879 a Robin, whether it's a one, whether it's a one 295 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:02.559 beat however you want to look at that, it was 296 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.840 without Jason Tatum. And then you move forward from that 297 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:09.759 and he's in the MVP conversation and all these other things, 298 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:11.600 and then this happens. And I'm sure I'm leaving some 299 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:13.679 things out, but for me, that's more than enough. So 300 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:17.399 if you feel your way, I completely understand that. But 301 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.440 maybe Boston's making a move that they feel like is 302 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:25.360 better for them. And I'm hoping that Jamien Brown goes 303 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.240 out there and is successful. And as we get a 304 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:29.639 chance to see these two teams meet up with one 305 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.480 another again and have fun with it, not make it 306 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:35.519 out to be a beef situation and overly personal with 307 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.440 the exception to maybe the parties that were involved to 308 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:42.600 just appreciate it as basketball fans and take a page 309 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:44.759 out of the book or learn a little bit about 310 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.399 what it's like to maybe be in a position like 311 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.679 a Jlen Brown as many of us are in in 312 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.279 our everyday work lives every single day when it comes 313 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:57.919 to employment, and maybe try to try and put our 314 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.440 best foot forward and look forward to some I'm gonna basketball. 315 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:03.799 Being played well, said Deshaun Well said, And here I go, 316 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:05.519 if you can give me the floor for a second 317 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:10.000 to Shawn, this is this will be my first public 318 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:14.880 uh talking about this whole scenario. So when I first 319 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.400 heard it and I was texting with you, I was 320 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.119 in utter shock, right,

I mean shocking, I think is 321 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.839 a fair fair statement. When this when this trade, when 322 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:30.440 this trade went down, then I sat I sat on 323 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.400 it for a little bit. Jack was texting me what 324 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:33.759 do you think? What do you think? And at the 325 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.279 and I told him my instant reaction because we are 326 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:39.960 an instant society. Everybody wants the instant gratification and all that. 327 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:42.799 And then I sat, and then I sat for a 328 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:44.920 four and then I thought about it for like forty 329 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.960 eight hours. And to be honest with you, because how 330 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:53.720 the NBA is structured, now I can understand. I fully 331 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:58.559 understand why the Celtics did this, and I will and 332 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:01.759 I truly believe that Jalen Brown did not want to 333 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:05.400 leave Boston. I still believe that now there there could 334 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.880 be some hurt feeling. Sure, this isn't the first time 335 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.279 they've tried to trade Jalen Brown before, even before the 336 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:16.559 Yiannis deal. Right, So so I sat and this is 337 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:18.880 what And I understand why the Celtics did this, because 338 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.880 if you he was due a bonus of a god 339 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.240 amount of money, I don't have the number in front 340 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.240 of me. I apologize, But if you add him and 341 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:32.599 Tatum together, right, you are looking at over six hundred 342 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:39.960 million dollars invested in two players, two players. Right. That 343 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:43.000 can't that can't be. It can't be. Now, I'm not 344 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:46.039 saying they don't deserve that. I'm not saying Jalen Brown 345 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.720 doesn't deserve to be one of the highest players paid 346 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:53.720 players in the league. But for for for one team 347 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:57.400 to have two players with over six hundred million dollars 348 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.799 locked in, that's that. That is that that just can't 349 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:05.279 happen now. And the Celtics, to me are a very 350 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:07.759 analytic team. I could be very wrong. They look at 351 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.480 the numbers. Now, Jalen Brown, I say, is one of 352 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:13.519 the top most certainly fifteen players. You can even argue, 353 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:14.839 and I want to get your thought, is he a 354 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:19.920 top ten player? You can argue that, right, absolutely so. 355 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:23.720 But analytically I don't know the numbers of that. But 356 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.480 apparently the Celtics did not think that. They think they 357 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:32.240 are with Jason Tatum. And that is fine, right, that 358 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:36.240 is fine. The one issue I too, have, DeShawn. The 359 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:40.920 one issue still that I'm getting I'm puzzled by, is 360 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:45.599 you mentioned it earlier, trading it to a rival you're 361 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.240 going to see at least four times this year, right 362 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.079 in the regular season and in the playoffs, and what 363 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:55.640 you got back in return. And I understand there's a 364 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:58.119 money issue, and I understand they were looking for a 365 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:00.240 lot of draft capital and a lot of team teams 366 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.039 didn't want to give that much up for a Jalen Brown, 367 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.240 meaning they didn't think Jalen Brown was worth what the 368 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:10.400 Celtics were asking for. But what they got from the 369 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:15.759 Philadelphia seventy six Ers, a rival to the Celtics. You 370 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.480 mean to tell me that they couldn't go to like 371 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:25.920 the Houston Rockets or the Denver Nuggets, or the Sacramento 372 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.960 Kings or any any team out west to get the 373 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:34.759 same type of scenario that they got from the Philadelphia 374 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:38.559 seventy six ers. And so that leads me to thinking 375 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:42.799 maybe they felt panic that they had to get something 376 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:48.640 done and this was the best I guess deal, which 377 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.559 is hard for me to believe that they had on 378 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:57.920 the table for Jalen Brown. Your thoughts on my synopsis? 379 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:03.279 I agree with you that, uh, in many ways, many 380 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:06.640 of different ways obviously, and you know, taking into consideration 381 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:09.200 the rival team and everything else, and could have gone, 382 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:11.160 you know, maybe see if that offers on the table 383 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:13.400 to someone else or just whatever the case may be. 384 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.480 I'm not as mad about that as maybe some other 385 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.000 letters may be roughfuled or whatever the case may be. 386 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:26.559 But you know, considering the fact that you're really doing 387 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:32.440 not only some I guess helped to Philadelphia. Are you 388 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:35.480 doing your Maybe the first question is are you doing 389 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.400 yourself a disservice with someone like a Paul George, who 390 00:21:38.880 -->

00:21:39.400 you know. 391 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:42.519 And he's on a max contract too, I. 392 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:45.720 Mean, and appears to just kind of be on a decline, yeah, 393 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.720 a degree, whether it be about games being played or 394 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.000 you know, productivity contributions to the team of what we've 395 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.359 seen in the last X amount of years. And I 396 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:56.359 and there's another part of it that you know. I 397 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:59.759 definitely didn't mention them probably sure sure should have because 398 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.960 I don't think that everything can be just strictly looked at. 399 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:06.880 As you know, James Brown maybe not necessarily got a 400 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:08.880 raw deal, but just being in his feelings about it 401 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:11.559 all when it was time to become a player that 402 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.359 got paid and not only just paid, but paid well 403 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:18.160 amongst the best in the NBA. Yes, Jamn Brown was 404 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:20.359 offered that. And I don't want to act like that 405 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:25.400 doesn't exist. And I know that, but some people were 406 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.240 and and and I think that there is some reality 407 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.720 that he does have to face about certain things can 408 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:35.039 be the case right, wrong or indifferent when it comes 409 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.759 to his personality and whether his beliefs or being highly 410 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.039 educated and all the things that comes along with that, 411 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:43.799 and you know, maybe feel like some people necessarily didn't 412 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:45.920 go to bat for him, Jason Tatum being one of them. 413 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.759 Which I don't love that narrative because Jason Tatum gives 414 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:51.160 me the vibe that he's just doing his own thing 415 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.519 and standing side of his own square. Maybe didn't have 416 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:56.279 a lot to say, didn't necessarily not have a lot 417 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:58.559 to say, just kind of did his own thing and 418 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:01.519 stuck to what you know, it pertains to him. But 419 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:04.200 you know, he wasn't the only one. People try to 420 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.160 cheat this as if going all the way back to 421 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:09.279 whom Jamn Brown wasn't, you know, selected for the Olympic 422 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:11.359 team and all that, Well, yeah, you know what, Jason 423 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.799 Tatum was selected. But there was a conversation about why 424 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.319 Jason Tatum wasn't getting played by Steve Kurtu. So, I mean, 425 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.039 there's just so many different things and people talk about 426 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.000 and people seem to be it's ridiculous. 427 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:27.799 Yeah, and people seem to forget, Now, yes, this is 428 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:31.319 a sport, but number one, it's a sport, well it is, 429 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:33.759 but number one, you know what has turned into the Seawan. 430 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.799 It's always been. It's always been a business, and you 431 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.440 got to make tough decisions and that's an everyday life, 432 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.039 right And this was I truly believe this was not 433 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:49.480 an easy decision to be made, right and and you 434 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:52.960 have to make tough decisions, and this was one. And 435 00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:57.559 for the Celtics right now, they believe in Jason Tatum. 436 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.400 They want to build this team around Jason Tatum. And 437 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:02.799 I don't know if that's and I don't believe that's 438 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:06.599 a slight to Jalen Brown. I mean, it's just it's 439 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:07.599 just the way it is. 440 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.799 Yeah, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. And I'll tell 441 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:13.480 you and I'll tell you something else for other things 442 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:15.720 he accomplished. And I get it. He's done so much 443 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:19.960 talking about Jaylen Brown, both of them. In fact, you know, 444 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.200 people just have their own The reality is people don't 445 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.799 want to say it, but people have their own narrative 446 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:26.920 about when it comes to Boston, about when it comes 447 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:28.759 to the fan base, when it comes to the city, 448 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.079 about the people that they like from the people that 449 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:33.759 they don't like, and everything else. You're not gonna you're 450 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:35.920 not gonna try and cover it up and sprinkle. 451 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:39.960 Personally, I deal with it every day with Jack every time. 452 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:41.079 I deal with it every day. 453 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:43.960 Let's just call it exactly what it is. But Jaylen 454 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.559 Brown has gone out there, He's put his best foot forward. 455 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:49.680 He's been in MVP conversations, he's won finals MVP, he's 456 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:52.279 got a World championship, all these other things. All you 457 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:54.400 can do is typic wish the best. 458 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:58.160 He he is. He's no off the court trouble. Right. 459 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.400 You don't see him in the news, you know what 460 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:05.400 I mean? Correct, And the players around him respect him 461

00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:09.359 and you know, and so that that goes along. And 462 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:12.880 I wish him nothing but the best, and that pains 463 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.680 me to see because where he is now. But before 464 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.000 I let you go to Sean, I do apologize. We 465 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:20.119 talked a lot of Boston today and I didn't want 466 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.240 to take up half the segment talking about Boston. I 467 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.759 really didn't, So I appreciate your you commenting on that, 468 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:28.759 But I do want to get your thoughts on Lebron James. 469 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:34.039 Now real quick, were you surprised on a scale of 470 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:37.480 one to five, were you surprised that he left the Lakers? 471 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.960 And where would you like to see him. Not where 472 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.680 you think he will be, but where do you think 473 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:49.240 the best fit for him would be coming into next season. 474 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:55.920 Surprised, No, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised that he's 475 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.279 not okay at LA. I'm also not surprised you made 476 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:02.200 sure I got paid before he decided to make the decison. 477 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.119 No, I'm not surprised. 478 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.359 That's you're supposed to, right, That's what you're supposed to 479 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.400 do when you're a dad. That's exactly what you're supposed 480 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.000 to do that. So I'm not mad at that either. 481 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:14.680 But you know, I don't know. I think this whole 482 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.839 thing is is coming down to uh to you know, 483 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.000 Golden State and Cleveland. I really do one thing, and 484 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:23.720 I tell you this, as I've told Jack you know, 485 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.960 previous weeks. One thing I've always been told. I've been 486 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.880 here in Atlanta just over twenty one years now. I've 487 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:32.599 always been told this, if you can't go anywhere else, 488 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:35.440 not just in the all fifty states of America, but 489 00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:38.720 anywhere in the world, you can always come back home 490 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:40.880 and you'll always get in love when you come home. 491 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:42.359 Speaking of coming home, I'm gonna be there in a 492 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.240 couple of days. That's a different conversation, right, all right, 493 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:50.039 I really, I really do believe that it's between you know, 494 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.720 those two. I think that it's likely that it'll happen. 495 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.240 You know, whether it'll be in Golden State, I'm not 496 00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:58.799 so sure. I don't know where. I would like to 497 00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:00.960 see him be another day, that's not possible. I'd love 498 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.880 to see him be a Detrey Piston really Okay, But 499 00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:08.000 I think the real players here comes down to three teams. 500 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:10.640 And it's the three teams that he's whether he's been 501 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:13.839 connected to all his life, whether it's been connected to 502 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:16.279 since he was in high school, whether it's been he's 503 00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:19.680 been connected to since you know, Steph Curry and Draymond 504 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.880 Green has became his best buddies. I think that it 505 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.279 comes down to those three teams. It's Cleveland, it's Golden State, 506 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.920 and I think the New York does have a real possibility. 507 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.920 Oh well, and now, whether that'll be the case or 508 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.039 I think is probably pretty unlikely. 509 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.200 Especially since they won a championship, right especially since they 510 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.160 and it still pays me to say that being a 511 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.759 Boston sports fan, but if they didn't win that championship, boy, 512 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:47.880 I feel like it would be a full core press 513 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.440 pun intended for the lebron James to come to New York. 514 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.200 No questions asked, No questions. 515 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.960 Asked, Deschauante, it has been an absolute pleasure having you 516 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.039 on the show today. Thank you so much for joining me, 517 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.119 taking time out and give a big high five for 518 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.400 Breslin for us. That was a tremendous time. I'm gonna 519 00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.039 be a little spoiled. It was a tremendous picture that 520 00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:12.240 you sent of beautiful Breslin the other day, with her 521 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:17.519 green and white represented absolutely the buildings named after her, 522 00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:21.799 for God's sakes here in East Lanson. Yeah right, when? 523 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:24.559 Uh so, when are you coming back? Give our fans 524 00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.119 the info. You kind of tease it a little bit, 525 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:28.799 you'll be coming back here around these parts. 526 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.559 Yeah, well, I definitely have to step up through detrade. 527 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.640 I've got a brother that's getting ready to get married, 528 00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:39.359 of course, congratulations, who's gonna be in the wedding? Also, yeah, 529 00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:41.559 as the mayor and all that good stuff. So get 530 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.400 ready for all the

hoopla that has to come along 531 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.640 with that. Always teaser and tell people she's not that important. Okay. 532 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:50.240 Brett Price just thinks in the morning, has it always has, 533 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:53.720 and it's just a little tease I like to throw 534 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:55.319 out there to her. But no, I got a brother 535 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.759 that's getting married. He's getting married around New Year's Eve, 536 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.920 and so there's an engagement party. Whatever that means, hopefully 537 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.440 not more money, but uh, we're gonna go and try 538 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:05.480 to enjoy some of that. I think Breslent's gonna be 539 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.200 in the wedding as well. So we've got a futil 540 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.799 tuxans and dresses to get suited up for and all 541 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.839 that good stuff, and spend some more money, and I'll 542 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.440 try and make my way up there to plancing for 543 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.640 an olive burger of course. Yeah, and maybe try and 544 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.640 open up the doors to the Bresilent so that we 545 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.799 can take uh Brezi in there to go and enjoy 546 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.839 all the banners that are hanging indeat all the good 547 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.720 uh you know, all all the good stuff that's happening 548 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:31.480 there in the stings. 549 00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:33.759 Well, I'll tell you you can have all eat all 550 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.359 the olive burgers you want, because the less that I 551 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.799 have to deal with the better, So you can have 552 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:40.480 all the olive burgers you want. 553 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:42.960 My friends, send them on over, red Rovers, send them 554 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:43.559 on over. 555 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:46.599 Well, do Deshannte. Thank you so much, my friend. 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