บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ 6.1 ESPN with Lindsey Thiry

like, you know, three o'clock, four o'clock. 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:15.919 Like I'm I've gotta be mom. 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.279 I can't, you know, and doing both is impossible at the same time. 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:20.639 Like, there's just no way. 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:27.360 Uh so like I said, everything is a full-on sprint, it's chaos, but it's it's a total joy, except for when it's not. 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:28.560 Except for when it's not. 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:34.639 But thank you for bringing up the urgency and the time because I've talked about this on the show before. 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:39.680 A lot of times people are like, Well, I can't do this, or I can't have kids, I have all this stuff going on. 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:44.639 But I have found that it focuses you in such a way where it's like you don't have fluff time. 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.439 It's like, I have one hour, I've got to get it done. 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:49.439 So do you find that I'm more focused? 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:51.279 I'm I don't know. 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:53.199 One thousand percent. 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:59.279 I'm so happy you brought that up because uh prior to having children, I wrote and I was on TV. 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:00.959 Same similar to what I'm doing now. 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:06.639 I'm doing more TV now, but I would take days to write a story. 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:14.399 I would stare at the blank screen and like morning would turn to daytime would turn to nighttime, and then I still wouldn't have it done. 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.240 And then I'd wake up at you know 5 a.m. 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:20.480 and just be like on real deadline and have to crank it out, and my brain would suddenly go. 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:22.639 You just don't have that luxury anymore. 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.519 It's like when you sit down to write a story, you just you gotta go. 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.560 Yeah, and when you sit down to study, you just gotta do it. 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:32.560 And because again, like these little people, they they can't wait. 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.040 They have like that's a real deadline too. 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:41.040 So I mean, I look back on the years when I didn't have kids, and I'm like, what was I doing with all my time? 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:42.879 I could have done so much more. 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:44.079 Yes, do you find it? 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:45.519 I should have enjoyed more. 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.800 And also, like when you see people without kids, you're like, you have so much time. 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:52.319 Do you find that, Ryan, too? 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:53.439 Oh, absolutely. 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:54.560 Yeah, for sure. 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:59.120 And you know, you strike me as someone who is super ambitious. 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:05.040 And so when you're talking, I'm hearing like this really driven, ambitious um woman. 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.480 And

I wonder how, because I've totally said that. 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.639 Like, I don't know what I did before children, and my ambition changed. 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:22.399 I've become, I think, more ambitious since having kids, but I'm curious how your ambitious uh ambition has evolved pre-motherhood and now post. 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.600 Yeah, I've you know what I'm still as ambitious as ever. 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.360 Like, I still have like big goals, big dreams that I want to achieve at work. 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.800 Um, but I think my ambitions become like a lot more twofold. 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:42.959 Like I used to be like take every single assignment I could, work every single extra thing I could, and just it was like 100,000 percent into work. 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:49.040 Uh and now it's kind of I don't want to say it's split because I think that's like doing an injustice to both sides. 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:54.639 But I'd say my ambition is to do awesome at work and awesome at home. 00:06:54.879 --> 00:07:00.480 Um, and one of the things, like, you know when people say like you can have it all, I I kind of tend to disagree. 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:06.879 Like you can have a lot, but I've had to pull back on work a little bit, right? 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:14.319 Like, I'm not exactly giving 150% all of the time like I used to before kids. 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:18.959 That being said, like I would also love to give 150% to my kids. 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:19.680 I can't. 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:26.720 Like, all I can do is give a hundred percent to both, and that's taken some like really hard moments to come to grips with. 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.279 Like, I have to miss a couple things for my kids. 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.879 I also have to maybe s to like turn down an assignment at work, right? 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:42.240 Like, um, had to turn down an assignment coming up recently, uh, because like just I have a family and somebody's gotta be at home sleeping with the kids at night. 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:43.120 Yes, exactly. 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:45.279 Especially when your husband is flying, I imagine. 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:47.040 Yeah, so he's out of town. 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:51.279 He couldn't, he takes a lot of um, he takes a lot of hits from me during the season. 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:57.600 Uh and so like I kind of off season need to be like, okay, I can put your job first for this time too. 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:05.360 Um, and so like due to the balance of that's like you can have it all, but like my ambition is just a little bit more directed in different ways. 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:15.680 Yeah, I would say balance looks different when you when you have a family and you have a home to take care of and kids, and it's like you can have it all, just not all at once. 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:18.160 So something's gonna take away from something. 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:23.759 Some some seasons you're gonna be all work, some seasons you're gonna be all kids, some seasons it's gonna be a mix. 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:30.560 But I love Ryan that you asked that question because I was gonna say, when I knew you, Lindsay, you seemed so driven. 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.960 And when you said I couldn't I couldn't foresee this back in 2016, I was like, really? 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:40.960 Because all of us were like doing whatever, and you were like, you were like deadline, work and focus. 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.279 And so I was like, I can see this for you. 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:45.679 Well, yeah, I I could see the work part. 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:46.639 I will say that. 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:51.360 Like I was the the goal was ESPN, like or bust. 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:55.679 Um, and I I I I it's so crazy to say it loud. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:57.120 I got there, I did it. 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:02.000 Um, and that's not like there's still so much more to do, but I couldn't have seen the family apart. 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.000 Like in my mind, I always wanted to get married. 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.279 I thought, you know, I'd probably have a family, like I was the youngest in the family. 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:08.960 I didn't grow up around younger kids. 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:10.559 I had no younger kids around me. 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:15.679 So like being a mom wasn't like it's not second nature to me at all. 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:24.639 Um so like I thought I wanted a family, you know, but it just it wasn't gonna happen for me anytime soon because it was gung-ho and you know, work. 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.720 And like I I love being in that newsroom back in Great Falls, as crazy as that sounds. 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:30.799 Like that was my entire focus. 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:35.679 Um, so I I could have I I I saw ESPN every day. 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:40.080 What I didn't see was like the other part of my life until it came. 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:41.919 And aren't you so glad it came? 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:48.240 Because I think Lindsay, I was like you, I was like work and career goals and all this stuff. 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:54.559 And then I stop and realize had I achieved all of that without them, it would have felt so empty and so lonely. 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.200 And now I have three little people cheering me on. 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:07.200 And like anytime something major happens, they're like, whoa, mom! And so what is that like for you to know it looks different, but maybe better than you expected? 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:12.399 I could have never dreamt of a love like I have for my kids. 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:14.720 Like that actually can make me tear up. 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.879 Like, I just didn't know that existed until I had my kids. 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:27.759 And um, there's so many proud moments of being a mom and just being able to raise these little people and be a part of their lives.

00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:34.480 Like, I there's just as many awesome moments have there been like for personal achievements for myself. 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:39.120 Nothing, nothing even comes close to being these little guys' mom. 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:45.519 Um, and it is funny when now my four-year-old is starting to realize like mom has to go to work, right? 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:50.799 That's a that's a really hard transition when they realize you're leaving the house maybe for a few days. 00:10:50.960 --> 00:11:00.960 Um, but the other day I walked into my office and my little guy was sitting in this chair and I had a microphone, and he goes, This is mommy for ESPN. 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:03.679 And I was like, oh, did he watch it? 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:05.919 Yeah, he's getting it. 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.320 And you know, it doesn't matter what you do. 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:15.279 Like when your kids see like you're working hard and then they are kind of trying to do, you know, what whatever it is that mom and dad are into. 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:16.639 That's that's cool. 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:17.279 That was fun. 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:18.480 You're like, they get it. 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.919 I remember the first um co-star I got on TV. 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:25.440 I was actually playing a news reporter for this Joe Superstore. 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:29.200 And it was this crazy moment where my son had an asthma attack. 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:30.480 We were in the ICU. 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:32.720 It was like he was a toddler, I think. 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:37.279 And then the show came on TV and he was like, money. 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:44.080 And I was just like, man, we're in this really dark moment, stressed out out of our minds, and then my baby sees me on TV. 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.960 And it was like, it just meant so much to me. 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:51.279 And I was like, that's not how I would have chosen to watch my first ever co-star. 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:53.600 But it was like so much better in a way. 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:58.240 And so I think that's lovely, and I love that you're getting to experience that. 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:00.639 So, okay, I want to talk about sports. 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:05.200 So, Ryan, Lindsay was a sports reporter when I was a news reporter. 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:07.600 So, where did the love of sports come from? 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:09.200 Has that been a lifelong thing for you? 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:10.799 Yeah, lifelong thing. 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:15.679 Um, you know, I grew up the youngest of three kids, and we were just always around sports. 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.480 Um I was really fortunate, grew up on a lake. 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:24.799 So my mom was like, you guys are getting in a pool, you're learning how to swim from a very early age uh for safety reasons. 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:29.840 And so um I started swim lessons and I was on the swim team by

the time I was age five. 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:38.639 Uh for as long as I can remember, I was going to my sister's softball practices, my brother's baseball practices, my dad was the coach, my mom was basically like the assistant coach. 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.039 Um, you know, like being the teen mom. 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.639 It's it's just like I was always around it, always playing sports. 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:46.879 I played softball, then I got into volleyball. 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:49.840 I played a little soccer here and there, way too much running for me. 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:53.519 Couldn't uh basketball, couldn't like run and dribble at the same time. 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:55.600 That was tough, was always overrunning the triple. 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:57.600 Um, and it was fell in love with volleyball. 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.679 Like that became my thing that I just loved so much. 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:03.919 Um, and then we always watched the Mariners games. 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:08.080 My dad was a police officer, and he was either in the dugout or the bullpen. 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:17.120 So, like you'd watch the game to see dad at work, kind of in the background of a shot, but then before you know it, like I could still tell you all the 1995 Seattle Mariners. 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:22.639 Um so and then I loved watching, I mean, it's like so all the worlds combined. 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:31.840 Um, I loved watching like ABC's like wide world of sports, or when the Olympics came on, you know, you fall in love with the athletes, like the the 1995 gymnastics team, right? 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:39.360 Because you saw the stories and the features about who they were and the swimmers, you know, and all you know, all that stuff. 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:44.639 So it just one day I realized like, oh, this can be a job, like I want to do this. 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:46.960 Um, and then we made that happen. 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:48.480 That's crazy, Liz. 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:55.120 As you're talking, I'm like, I wonder how much of this is nature and nurture because you were surrounded by it for sure. 00:13:55.200 --> 00:14:02.399 There was like a family culture of sports, but I have this theory that what's innate in us is gonna come out. 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:08.879 And so I'm like, even you made swim team at five, like that driven part of your personality was already in there. 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:13.039 And I wonder if like this might sound too woo-woo, but you were created for this. 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:17.360 Like that love of sports was in you before it was nurtured by your family. 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.200 Yeah, you know, it's like I look back and I totally get it now. 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:34.399 I drove my mom nuts because we would have school projects, even back when I was in elementary school, and we would be up really late past bedtime because it's like, oh, the teacher said make a diorama this big

in a shoebox. 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:37.279 I'd be like, no, no, no, no, we need a bigger box. 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.759 Or it was like create a scene that's five pictures. 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:42.879 I'd be like, no, no, no, no, we're doing 20 pictures. 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.840 So it was just like it was crazy. 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:49.120 I mean, I look back at some of these projects and I'm like, mom, I'm so sorry. 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.200 Like it was so over the top. 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:55.120 Like, I just took every little thing and made it this big. 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.720 And I think I I don't know, like, that's just who my personality is. 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:05.279 So it's like a lot of my life when maybe some people were like, Yeah, this little ESPN dream of yours is pretty big. 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.360 I'd be like, Well, why not? 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:08.720 Let's go, you know? 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:09.679 Like, why not? 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:15.919 Was there ever a season where you like forgot the dream and had to get back on course? 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.480 Because it sounds like it was always your north star. 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:22.480 But did you ever have like a moment where you were like maybe not? 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:24.559 Well, you know, I'll share with you. 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.600 Um I had a rough patch in college. 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:29.360 I played college volleyball at UW. 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.759 Um, and I ended up quitting the team. 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.919 And it was a really, I mean, it was not an easy decision. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:48.559 It's just the decision I look back, and I had many, many nights of not sleeping or dreams where I was like rejoining that team because I had worked so hard for so many years to achieve that. 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:53.200 And um, you know, do I wish I in hindsight, like, do I wish I had stuck with it? 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:55.679 I don't know, because I wouldn't be where I am if I had. 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:58.879 Like a lot of things in my life wouldn't have turned out the way they did. 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:03.840 But that being said, quitting that taught me that I never wanted to quit anything again. 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:07.519 Like, if I had a dream and a goal, I was gonna just keep going through. 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:17.279 So, like, yeah, there were many times in Montana when you're like making no money, you're alone and lonely, and you're wondering if this is ever gonna work out. 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:22.399 And then I had to move to Atlanta and took a job there, and I lived in a hotel room for an entire football season. 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:30.879 I'm like my 25th birthday, I'm alone in a nail salon by myself, uh, missing my best friend's wedding, um, because there was a game. 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.480 Like, yeah, there's so many moments where it's like, what am I doing here? 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:38.960 I mean, there were moments after I came out back west where I'm just like, what are we doing? 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.759 But I just I couldn't like quit again. 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:47.519 I couldn't do it because it's like I knew deep down, even through those hard moments, this is what I really, really wanted. 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.120 And like I'd already experienced what it meant to quit something. 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.120 So I just I wasn't gonna do it again. 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:59.039 Wow, I love that that you were like, A, it kind of goes back to the balance thing, right? 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.039 It's like there will always be sacrifices. 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:02.799 We can't say yes to everything. 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:08.319 And so even in that moment, it was like I'm saying no to important things for the bigger goal. 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:10.079 Um, so that's pretty cool. 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:22.240 The other thing, as you were talking, reminded me there is a gymnast, I think it was during the last Olympics, where they were interviewing her and asking, you know, how did you stay so focused on this goal this whole time? 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:24.400 And she was like, My coach would let me quit. 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.160 And he would say, walk away, take a week off, take more off, don't come back. 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.079 And she was like, I always came back. 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:36.240 And I feel like when it's that big of a draw and it's that big of a goal, even if you quit, you're gonna come back. 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:37.920 Like it's in you, you can't. 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:39.119 And so I love that. 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:46.799 And I always thought with my own kids, let them quit, let them feel what it feels like to not have it, because that's gonna spur you on more. 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:49.440 So I again, Ryan, great questions. 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:50.160 I love it. 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.400 So, okay, Lindsay, you're a boy mom. 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:54.880 Do you does your husband, do your kids watch sports? 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.640 Do they watch you on TV? 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:58.160 Yeah, you know what? 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.599 We didn't really turn the TV on much in the first couple years. 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:10.160 Um, so they would turn it on to like see mom at work, you know, cute little videos from dad, like here's a two-year-old going, mommy, mommy, you know. 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.079 Um, but they have become like we would play sports with them. 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:19.759 So they didn't really watch sports, but we'd play like whether it kicked a soccer ball or take a ball at a pr uh at the park. 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:22.559 Um, so they love sports. 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:25.680 And I'll it is so fun now, right? 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:31.440 Like each phase of your child, I early on, I was like, oh, he's not a newborn anymore, and it made me

so sad. 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:39.680 But you like it's okay to be sad about that, but you also start to realize like, oh, this just gets cooler and cooler and cooler the more they get their own little personality. 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:44.079 Um, so yeah, my four-year-old is baseball obsessed. 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:52.400 Uh, he like lives for it, and then we were we were watching Wimbledon, and then we also uh joined the pool that has tennis courts. 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.119 So he sees people playing tennis, and now he's super into tennis. 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.279 So like I've got to take him to tennis lessons today. 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.240 Like I said, rush, rush, rush, get everything done, then go to tennis lessons. 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.759 Uh, and and so he's like super into sports. 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:05.839 I was really, really fortunate. 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:15.039 I got tickets for the World Cup, and like on a moment's notice, we hopped on a plane, a bus, and a train, and we got to the game. 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.480 And then every day since then, we have to play soccer in the backyard. 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:19.440 He's Team USA. 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:22.480 He's like, Mom, you be Bosnia, Herzegov, Herzegovina. 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.039 I'm like, why am I the losing team every time? 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:38.079 Um, but yeah, and then like I said, like we go to the pool, they start swim lessons, so like just try to be an active, like outdoor family, um, and just little boys, I think, are easiest to parent selfishly. 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:40.319 They are easiest to parent outside. 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:49.279 So we spend a lot of time outside because if I had to like play referee inside between who gets the trains, I would lose my mind. 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:50.160 Yes, same. 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:51.200 How old are your other son? 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:52.799 Two. 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:54.720 Two and two and four. 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:55.200 Yeah, yeah. 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:55.519 Okay. 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.400 So they're not in organized sports yet, they're not on actual teams yet. 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:03.519 It's a little wild where we live, yeah. 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:04.880 Uh they are. 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:05.920 They are. 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:10.000 Because I was gonna say, once they're on teams, gosh, that's gonna be so fun. 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:17.440 Yeah, so yeah, my four-year-old started T-ball in the spring, and so he did T-ball. 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:21.839 And I'm like, oh my god, this is so my kid. 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.799 He's like so into it and so ready. 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:33.200 And if you are picking daisies and if you are not on the base like this, ready to run, he is like, let's go pay attention. 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:35.119 And uh, it's a little intense. 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:38.079 I'm like, calm down, we're here for fun, we're here for fun.

00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.440 I'm also like, this is my kid because this is who I am. 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:42.400 He's me. 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:44.160 Um, psycho. 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:53.519 Uh, but no, he like, and I had no idea how much he was gonna love the uniform and the belt and all the things, and it's just like it is the cutest darn thing. 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:55.680 So he didn't organize baseball this fall. 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.480 He's going to do AYSO, so organized soccer. 00:20:58.880 --> 00:20:59.039 Yeah. 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:05.119 And I was initially hesitant on this, but he's gonna do two sports in the fall. 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:06.319 Good luck to my husband. 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:07.920 Good luck to both of you, yeah. 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.799 Well, I'm not gonna be here, I'll be traveling for football. 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:12.319 So good luck to my husband. 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:13.359 Oh, him, okay. 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:19.359 Yeah, so he, yeah, my son was like, I really want to play baseball, and some of the parents are like, he's really good, he should play. 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:21.200 And I'm like, he's four! Yeah. 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:25.440 Uh and uh so he's yeah, doing soccer and baseball. 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:25.759 Yeah. 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:26.640 Isn't that the best? 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.880 And you're you said your husband is also super into sports, so he must love it. 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:31.759 Loves it. 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:34.400 He loves playing in the yard with the kids. 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:36.720 He was the assistant coach on the T ball team. 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:47.519 Um, I mean, my husband is like super dad, which is amazing because like I said earlier, like having kids isn't like s like being a mom, maybe not as second nature to me as to some. 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:51.680 Um, but he is like so good at making I'm like, put your shirt on. 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:54.319 And he's like making it a game on how to put their shirt on. 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:56.000 And I'm like, how'd you think of that? 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:57.279 Like, why didn't he you know? 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:57.680 Yeah. 00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:59.599 I'm straightforward, he's like the fun one. 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:01.440 Which is how you balance each other. 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:02.319 That's amazing. 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:02.799 Yeah. 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:04.160 How funny, Lynn's. 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.559 I love that you are getting to experience that. 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:08.799 And my oldest is the same way. 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:15.039 Like any league he's in, if anybody's not paying attention, he's like kneeling on the sideline, like, guys, get get ready. 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:16.480 And he's just ready to go at all times. 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:18.079 Me too, right? 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.240 I mean, you have it in your family. 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:21.440 Like, he knows what's up. 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:22.079 Yeah. 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:26.640 Well, also, I'm not an athlete at all, but my husband was the D1 football player. 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:29.519 And so they're like, I mean, oh my gosh. 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:32.480 Can I interrupt and tell you the best story about your husband? 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.000 He's to this day. 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.960 He remains one of the few people that turned me down for an interview. 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:38.400 I tried to do a story for me. 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:41.119 I'm like, really? 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:43.119 Is it funny that I remember that? 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:44.079 I remember the no's. 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:45.119 All of the no's. 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:50.000 Oh, until then you're you're hurt, you're holding a grudge against him. 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:57.200 Well, partly he got so much attention when he was playing football that, like, after it was over, he's like, I don't want, he's very introverted. 00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:59.279 So I apologize on his behalf. 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:00.000 All good. 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:02.319 I just think it's like again, weird. 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:04.000 I always remember the no's. 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:04.960 I remember that one. 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:07.440 I actually remember that one too. 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:18.480 Okay, so this is a motherhood podcast, and I want to know what your pregnancy is like and what your deliveries were like and all of that, because not only physically it seems like you're in very good shape. 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.759 So maybe they were easier, but then also work schedule. 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:23.599 How did all of that work out? 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:34.160 Yeah, so my first pregnancy um was very fortunate, got pregnant very quickly uh after my husband and I got married, like maybe two days later. 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:40.559 Um, and uh week eight, we were uh we it was all back during kind of the COVID stuff. 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:43.519 So 2021, things were still shut down around the world. 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.759 Um I remember having my first OB appointment. 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.880 And she's like, What questions do you have for me? 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:56.720 And I was like, um, you know, uh the the Super Bowl is in LA this year. 00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:58.480 Am I gonna be able to work that? 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:01.759 Because it seems like my due date is a week after the Super Bowl. 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.319 And she's like, we'll cross that bridge and we get to it. 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:05.920 She's like, what other questions do you have for me? 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:11.599 I'm like, well, I'm scheduled to go tonight on a red eye flight for our honeymoon to Bora Bora. 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:12.880 Is that okay to do? 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:17.680 And she was like, Do you have any real questions about like being pregnant?

00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:19.920 And I was like, no, I don't want to figure it out as we go. 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:20.640 I don't know. 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:25.279 Um, I will say, I went into my pregnancy very naive. 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:27.200 I went into the all of it very naive. 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:30.319 Just like, whoops, go with slow, like nothing you can do to change it. 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:32.240 Uh went to Bora Bora. 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.400 The first couple days were amazing, and then everything hit me. 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.480 Like, I couldn't smell anything. 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:40.000 I oh no, I could smell. 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:41.039 Let me get this straight. 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.599 I could smell everything, and I wanted to smell nothing. 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:50.400 Um, we were staying in one of those overwater huts, which on a normal occasion would be great. 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:52.160 Not if nausea hits you. 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:58.000 So we're sitting there and I'm just like, oh my god, it was just it was like I feel so bad in minute. 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:03.759 So it was like hell on earth, just being like the smell of sunscreen, which you have to have on, made me want to vomit. 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.759 The watching the water like move was just like I want to vomit. 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.279 The plane ride home was like, I'm gonna vomit. 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:19.200 Um, and I was really, really sick for the first trimester, and then the second trimester hit and it just cleared, like everything was fine. 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:24.000 And it's as it timed out, that was great because it's like right when the season started. 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:34.559 Um, and you know, second energy second trimester, energizer bunny, third trimester, that Super Bowl was coming, and I realized I was probably not gonna be there. 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:45.039 Like I was I was doing great, like I felt fine even third trimester, you know, traveling still for work a lot, going to work a lot, but I started to get like the brain fog thing. 00:25:45.359 --> 00:26:02.799 And so my producer, bless him, Raj, uh, he would, you know, kind of put a couple cue cards up just because I I think the fear was actually worse than the reality um when the red light came on, and I never had like a total brain card or anything, but it was just kind of more like that little safety net. 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.680 Um, but yeah, my OB was like, yeah, we're done. 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:06.880 We're done with work now. 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:13.440 Um that Super Bowl's gonna happen in LA and the Rams, who you cover every day and have covered every day since 2016, they're gonna be there and you're not. 00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:18.480 She goes, because we just don't need you going into labor with that stress um at the football stadium. 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.039 How close to Super Bowl did you give birth? 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:25.279 Yeah, so I ended up giving a soup birth a week after the Super Bowl. 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:30.480 I was a scheduled C-section, geriatric pregnancy, shout out to being 35 and pregnant. 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:38.640 Um, and uh yeah, and that whole experience was um again, I I went into a very I had no plan. 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:42.880 My plan was just like, hey, whatever we need to do to have a healthy baby, like let's just do that. 00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:43.440 Great. 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:50.160 Um also I was like not trying to be in pain, so I was like, yeah, we'll have an epidural, like no problem, all that stuff. 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:54.799 And um, because I was the geriatric, uh, they induced labor. 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:56.559 I had to go in to be induced. 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:02.000 Um, and it went sideways in the middle of the night. 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:06.319 Like usually induced, they say takes 24 to 72 or hours. 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.839 And I, you know, had that first little is it called the tocin? 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:10.319 I don't remember. 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.759 Um yeah, see, that's something I pay attention to like giving birth. 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:14.559 What's it called? 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:20.880 I had it, and a little bit of medication for me has always gone a long way. 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:24.319 And I was like having contractions that afternoon. 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:29.039 Funny enough, it was 2222. 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.599 And so a lot of women had scheduled their C-sections on that day. 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.359 Like for me, I was just told, like, we're not gonna let you go past 40 weeks. 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:38.240 This is the day we're doing it. 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.720 I was like, cool, I didn't think of like the date or anything. 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:46.720 Um, and so the hospital was really busy, and I was going into labor and they didn't expect that. 00:27:46.799 --> 00:28:12.079 And I kind of had like a pretty junior nurse with me, and let's just say, like, long story short, like I went into starting to go into the contractions, they like kind of gave me a shot of some sort to make that slow down, and then like I was just like had they had to rush the epidural because I was starting to be in so much pain, and then I was pushing most of the night, and then baby's heart uh beat heart rate was dropping. 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:17.200 Before I know it, like we had we were told, like, this is amazing, your body's amazing, you're going to labor so quickly, blah blah blah. 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:24.640 Then before I know we had like a whole crash of doctors rushing, and one of the nurses, like, we did this twice, it was crazy. 00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.039 Finally, a nurse was like, Look, I'm gonna give it to you, real. 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:32.000 Either we can keep pushing, or like when your doctor's here, because it was just the on call OB. 00:28:32.160

--> 00:28:36.000 When your doctor's here at 5 a.m., like, she'll take you in for a c-section. 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.000 I was like, or 7 a.m., whatever it was. 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.559 And I was like, Yeah, let's just wait for the c-section. 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:46.240 Like, I don't need to, I don't need to be like superhero here and push a baby out who's not coming down the birth c canal. 00:28:46.319 --> 00:29:05.680 Like, like, let's just go get a c-section, and so we did, and um that was a lot harder than I thought, like, just because my body went into labor and didn't go to labor, what all the things, and then had a c-section, and my like my legs were like so swollen, and it was just I was so swollen and such a mess. 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:10.240 Um, that it was like just the recovery itself was wildly hard. 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:16.079 Um, but like I didn't know what I didn't know, so I didn't really know exactly how traumatic it was while it was happening. 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.799 Um, and we got a perfectly healthy little boy out of it. 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:24.720 So I thank God yeah, did it again the next time, only this time it was scheduled and it went exactly according to planned. 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:25.279 Wow. 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.839 And so what was your mental capacity after that? 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.039 Did you have a lot of healing or emotional issues after? 00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:35.119 Yeah, I just like again, I I just was so naive. 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:36.480 I'd never been around children. 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.279 Like I was always the youngest everywhere I went. 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:45.039 Um, so I didn't know like a baby had to be gosh, I feel so silly in getting this. 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.720 I did not know a baby had to be fed every three hours. 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.920 I did not know, like, and and like right, like breastfeeding. 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.680 Uh everything I've been told was just like, it just happens, it's so beautiful and natural. 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.039 And I was just like, oh, you know, what? 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.599 Like this is baby isn't doing this, baby's doing that. 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:03.279 Like, yeah, it's a lot of work. 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:14.799 And like, not to mention, you know, I've gone through surgery, I'm on like pain medication, and like baby's not latching properly, so then before I'm like, all the things are happening, you're all torn up. 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:19.279 Uh then it's like then you have to like start from like a really bad place to try to figure this out. 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.559 Um, so like luckily my mom was in town, so she was helpful. 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:28.559 Like, we had FaceTime to fight FaceTime a lactation consultant because nobody could come into your house because the COVID stuff. 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.440 Um, and so it was like wild and really hard. 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:45.039 And I remember and my OB was like, you should just go see like an LMFT, like a therapist, just to try to, you know, kind of figure out like what maybe your new normal is gonna look like. 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.680 And I just remember crying and being like, I just want like five minutes to take a shower. 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:55.119 And she was like, every day, like that's the one thing you get to do for yourself every day is take a shower. 00:30:55.279 --> 00:31:00.480 Um, so like being a new mom for the first three months for me, I also was terrified to take the baby outside. 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:05.839 Um, because I was like, I don't I didn't in my head understand where you're supposed to change a baby. 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:07.599 It sounds so silly. 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.759 But like the basics that you're just like, wait, I didn't think about that. 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:12.079 Yeah. 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.680 Yeah, I didn't think like like where can you change a baby? 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.240 Like you can change a baby anywhere you want. 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:19.680 Uh that's what I found out. 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:33.279 But it's just like things like that, like I didn't know how to do, and I'm very much like I'm the person that didn't used to go to Subway because like younger, because like I didn't the the fear of ordering and picking out things fast enough and figuring it out fast enough, like got to me. 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:39.119 So like not being able to like get a plan in my head to go out and not know like exactly if this happens, what do you do? 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.279 Like, where do you like where do you turn to and all the things? 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.680 Like, it took me a minute to get a grip on all that. 00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:50.640 It's like postpartum was hard both times, and both times, um the second time it's funny because it just was different. 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:55.519 Like, I I probably would have had postpartum depression, like to some degree the first time. 00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.240 Um, but the second time, like I came out of it like fine, thinking I was fine. 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:14.799 And it actually hit like three months later, where like I was like, Oh, I didn't expect this, and like right before the work really kicked in the gear again, like I was I remember getting on a plane, and my husband's like, Do you want to call your boss and just tell him you can't do this? 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.839 And I was like, No, because that's quitting and I can't do that. 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:30.559 So, like I got myself somehow, somehow I got myself on the plane, and then I was just in a really bad place, but it's like I just was able to kind of get out of it, and I I'm really happy that like I in that moment didn't call and quit. 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.759 Um, but it was it hit me out of the blue. 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.960 So the postpartum is like no joke.

00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:43.200 It's from physically recovering from however you had a baby, and then like just the mental stuff that comes with it and the hormones. 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:54.079 Like, I've always been a crazy hormone person, but like this, I probably shouldn't phrase it like crazy, but like they've always done a number on me, and then postpartum hormones are definitely a another animal to deal with. 00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:04.480 Thank you for being so honest about that because I there are so many variables for mother, baby, mother-baby pair, different types of labor, delivery births. 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.799 And I think we don't talk about it enough. 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:13.680 And I think your story, while it seems it could be so many people's stories, it's so unique in so many ways. 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.960 And so I love that you're being really open and honest about it. 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:27.039 But it also makes me think going back to the Super Bowl, A, I kind of love that that happened because it was an early, it was an early on, like Lindsay, you're gonna have to make choices. 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:34.319 It's gonna be baby over, you know, it was like that was your first major like, dang it, I'm missing this for motherhood. 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.960 Um for the record, wouldn't change it for anything, would never change another girl for that. 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:39.519 But yeah. 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:47.839 It's just nice to have that early like lesson of like, okay, buckle up, because this is gonna change things and it's gonna be priority. 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:49.839 Um, but I am very curious. 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:58.880 ESPN is, you know, it's changing, but it is a male-driven enterprise, a male-driven uh field that you've entered. 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.559 I I once read there's a tell-all book called ESPN. 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:14.639 It I listened to the audiobook, it was like 24 hours long, and they talked about the early days of just misogyny and how, you know, it was just like a boys' club, and it they made it very hard for women. 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:23.119 So, not only given the fact that you're in a male-driven field as a woman, but as a pregnant woman, as a new mom, like what was all of that like for you? 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:31.360 Yeah, I mean, so this is the fun part, and this is the part I want so many moms to hear is that like you can do it. 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.679 You can have a kid and have your career. 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.000 Um not always easy, but you can do it. 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:41.280 And I uh I've actually achieved more in my career since having my kids. 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.360 Like that's the headline, right? 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:53.360 Um, so I got a call, promo a promotion um to move from being a beat reporter on a team to a national reporter covering the whole league. 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:58.639 And I was unbeknownst to my boss, uh, three months pregnant. 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:06.719 And uh, so that came and like this was my second um pregnancy, and I was like, oh my gosh, I just got promoted. 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:08.559 Oh my gosh, they don't know I'm pregnant. 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:10.800 Uh are they gonna regret making this decision? 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:12.480 Uh, how's this gonna work? 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:25.599 And I remember like a month later, I called my boss, and I was like, hey, probably not what you expected to hear, but like I'm having another baby, and he was like, This is amazing, this is wonderful news. 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:43.599 And you know, he told me a story about how you know his wife maybe didn't have that kind of reaction when she was having her children, and how he would never be that person, you know, to not be supportive or to get in the way of being all the things. 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:51.679 Um, so he was incredibly supportive and said, if you need a weekend off, because I travel every single weekend, if you need anything, let me know. 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:53.519 Here for you, all the things. 00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:59.760 And so, you know, I never did say, like, hey, I need a weekend off, but I always felt like I could. 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.119 You know, I didn't need it. 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:02.559 So I was really lucky like that. 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.039 Um, and through that pregnancy, I was able to manage all my workload and keep it moving. 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:21.760 Um, but I always felt like the support I needed, and when I had my son and I took my um my maternity leave and family leave, he was great and was like, take the time, you know. 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:29.599 And so like I'm really lucky that from that boss, like he in a male-dominated industry, no problem. 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:31.760 Like, wow is happy to see me become a mom. 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:39.679 And like I said, I mean, everybody at work knows I have two kids, like I put on my social media, like they all know Cooper and Trevor, um, and they're supportive. 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.719 Like, they people generally like seeing pictures of my kids, and I'm always happy to show them. 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.000 And it's been it's been a great experience. 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:49.599 I'm so glad to hear that. 00:36:49.760 --> 00:37:01.360 And I as we were talking, I was like, I wonder if a lot of the early ESPN, and I know some people have phased out, but if they have grown up and become dads, like your boss was saying, I get it from a dad perspective. 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:06.960 And so I love that, but also I know the culture is changing and they have done a lot of work. 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:13.199 Um, but it's just so nice to hear, and it made me so sad that you, your initial thought was, are they gonna regret promoting me? 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:17.920 And I don't think a man would ever have to think that or like, oh no, I'm gonna be a

dad. 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.000 Are they gonna be worried if I'm not gonna show up? 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.519 Like that would never cross. 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:26.960 So that makes me sad, but it makes me happy that you had the support that is starting to change the narrative. 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:33.679 I'm curious, Ryan, did you ever have any incidents like that where you were like worried that a pregnancy would affect work? 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:41.039 No, because I a couple, probably about a year, six months to a year before I got pregnant. 00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:45.199 I had quit my corporate job to be an entrepreneur, a business owner. 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.760 And so I had a whole other thing that I had to kind of work through with schedule. 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:56.960 And at the time, I had chosen a career path, uh, a business that I had to work in the afternoons and the evenings. 00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:58.480 And I was like, wait a minute. 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.280 I'm like, I'm not allowed to have didn't allowed. 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.440 I'm choosing not to have dinner with my family. 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:04.719 I don't know if I like this. 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.840 I had it had never crossed my mind that I probably wanted to be home at dinner time. 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:11.920 And so that was kind of an interesting thing. 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:13.119 That was the one thing. 00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:18.000 Um, but something that I thought when you were talking, I um have family in town. 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.360 I was like, oh, I'm co-hosting and I'm gonna interview an ESPN national reporter. 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:22.880 And I was like, I'm so excited. 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.719 And my sister says, Oh, well, who is he? 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:28.800 Uh, you know, some of them might know him. 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:30.400 And I was like, it's a world. 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.280 So like it's not the male-dominated industry. 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:36.320 We're still breaking it. 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:37.360 And I even brought it up. 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.079 I was like, hey, that's one of the things we're gonna talk about, is that this industry is male-dominated. 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:43.360 And so I think it's great. 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:57.039 And I think it's really cool that Lindsay, you're doing what you love, but at the same time, you are breaking glass ceilings, you are breaking those narratives, and you're doing it while you're having fun, which is like such a testament. 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:02.639 Like, go after your dreams, ladies, because it's not just for you, it's for the next generation of men and women. 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:03.119 Yeah. 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:04.960 So I love that you're doing that. 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:15.119 Well, and just on that note, too, I think that um, and I talked to my husband, like my mom was a stay-at-home mom, and I did not appreciate that

enough when she was. 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.039 Uh, because like it is hard, right? 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:30.800 Like, how do you come up with ideas to keep these little humans busy all day, every single day, while like somehow taking a shower, somehow taking five minutes yourself, you gotta go to the grocery store, you gotta take them with you. 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:36.719 Like, it is just it's really that to me would be the absolute hardest. 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:42.960 I will say, like, I almost feel like a little bit selfishly, like that I still have my career and chose to do both. 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:59.519 But I also that being said, know that I'm a better mom because like I get my mind going on something else, and then I come home, and and and it's like the time I spend with my children is very intent and focused time with my kids. 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:16.000 Um, and and I just notice it sometimes if it's like me just taking care of them maybe for a week on end, that I'm just not as focused of a mom because I'm like, oh I gotta do this, I gotta do this, I gotta do this, and then I just feel like I'm just they're kind of more able, yeah. 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:23.440 It's just too much, and I'm just like so being able to have my career, so it's like, okay, that's I don't really have a me time. 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.960 Me time is my job, which is kind of also funny as another conversation, right? 00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:44.719 But it's like to to kind of have my job and do that and then come home and get to be like a focused mom and mom to the boys versus trying to just do all the things and put them as like they are number one, um, but they're not like dominating everything. 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.039 It's not your full identity, yes. 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:47.679 Yeah, yeah. 00:40:47.920 --> 00:41:01.119 Yeah, I I do love that, and I think it's a great reminder to moms who even are stay-at-home moms that we have to have something that's just for us because you do, you get into that overstimulated, and then you're just snapping and you it's too much. 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.440 And it's like if you take time to fill your cup, you will have stuff to give to your kids. 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.760 Otherwise, yeah, it gets to be too much. 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.960 Okay, we are getting to the end, but I do want to ask one thing. 00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.920 Have you ever been pregnant on camera, Lindsay? 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:15.840 Oh, well, pregnant, yeah. 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:21.119 Did you give any comments for your viewers or what was that like? 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:22.239 You know what? 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:26.960 Every shop you have, I mean, there was definitely some little pain. 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:29.440 Little puff, a lot of puff. 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.519 Maybe by the end, more puff than I probably realized. 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:32.159 So back. 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:32.880 Me too. 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:33.920 Um, no, you know what? 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:35.039 Nobody said anything. 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:46.960 I had a very memorable couple young women come up to me on the sidelines who worked for like different stations um and different networks, who were like, We're so happy to see you doing this. 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.079 Um, because like you just don't really see it. 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.159 Um, and it's just like seeing that you can be pregnant on the sideline. 00:41:54.239 --> 00:42:01.360 Um, now I did have like one very memorable man say to me when I was very pregnant, like, looks like you're about to give birth right here on the field. 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.960 And I was like, We all hope not, right? 00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:04.800 Okay, maybe stays in. 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:08.639 Um, but yeah, I was pregnant, uh pregnant both times. 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:14.480 And uh it was, yeah, I mean, the bump wasn't out there, but it was all over the social media. 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.280 Um, and the, you know, the puffiness was there. 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:18.239 There were signs. 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:25.280 I'm so glad you were because I'm like, you know, Ellie Wong, the comedian, has done specials pregnant with each of her pregnancies. 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.400 And but a lot of times it's like we go into hiding during pregnancy and we need to see it as much. 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:35.360 I mean, no shame on women who just need to be like I need a minute. 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.840 But I think the more we see women, the more it's like, oh wait, that is possible. 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:41.519 And I think that's so great. 00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.159 So I'm glad that you were pregnant on the sideline. 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:54.800 But okay, you guys, so season six, we're doing something new where we, as veteran moms, are helping out the next generation of moms and taking questions from new moms. 00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:01.039 Also, guys, I want to remind our listeners that if you are a new mom, you can submit a question at theddenmother.net. 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.079 You'll find a recorder there, and you can just submit your question. 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:05.599 We'd love to hear from you. 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:10.079 So I have a question from Adriana who just gave birth to her first baby girl. 00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:12.320 So let's listen and then we'll all weigh in. 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.679 Hi, I'm Adriana, and I just had my first baby. 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:21.920 My question is how did you balance taking care of yourself while also taking care of your baby? 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:22.800 Okay. 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.280 How did you balance taking care of yourself while also taking care of the baby? 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:29.119 Do you want to go first, Linz? 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.199 And I know you just kind of talked about the case. 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:32.000 Yeah.

00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:37.440 I I mean I mentioned it like taking care of myself literally just meant getting a shower every day. 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:44.639 Like a shower for 15 minutes just to like, you know, feel like a fresh human. 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:49.360 Um, and it sounds like oh sweet, I was a shower, maybe, but like also I got a shower. 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.840 So it was just like that 15 minutes for me. 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:59.760 Like, you just have to find me as a new mom if it's taking a walk for 15, like, just find something that's for you, and obviously this. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:22.480 means you have someone to help you um you know with baby for a few minutes which can be really tough too for a lot of new moms is depending on your situation but just if there's one thing a day just make one thing a day um your thing and then you'll get through that and before you know it you'll you'll be able to just kind of that one thing will expand as baby learns to nap and some of those things maybe a little better. 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:23.119 Mm-hmm. 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:55.119 I love that how about you Ryan I agree with the shower the shower I remember the shower with my girls being like the holy grail I mean I would make it to the end of the day and after she like she was not a good sleeper in the beginning for like a year but after she would go to sleep you know whatever time that was I would be in the shower just being like oh my God I made it I just remember like savoring that feeling of like washing off the day and just like getting into bed and feeling cozy and not being able to sleep. 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:56.159 So it didn't really matter. 00:44:56.239 --> 00:45:32.559 But yeah it was very um it was very slim in the beginning it was it was honestly it really it really is and another piece I would mention on this is like trust your partner trust your mother-in-law trust your mom trust the aunties trust I don't know your neighbor who's a good person who can come over for to I don't know try like trust somebody to just hold your baby so you can go take a walk or like have a coffee or a tea like by yourself for 10 minutes because I think we grip really tightly on like us needing to be there every second with the new baby. 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:41.599 And so I think there's a healthy level at first which is just very small just a healthy level of separation being like okay this is me. 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:49.920 That's my baby I can sit here and do something that brings me pleasure or joy even if it's for 10 minutes or 15 minutes. 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:58.480 And I love that you guys are highlighting the 10 minute thing because I think we think, oh, it's got to be this big thing or I need to go for a long walk or whatever. 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:03.679 And it's like no you need a 10 minute reset five minutes even but make sure it's consistent. 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:12.480 And I think for me it was a lot of um recalibrating and stepping back and realizing I can't do everything in this season. 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:14.079 This season is temporary. 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:15.920 Right now it's about motherhood. 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:25.039 And so for me it was like at sleep time I knew if the baby's gonna be up eight 12 times, I need a 12 hour block. 00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.920 So I would go to bed early and I would allow myself to sleep in late. 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.880 So if I'm waking up all these times, I still get good sleep. 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:37.519 And then I would do 15 minute crossword puzzle every day just to have like a little time that's quiet. 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:38.639 But it's small. 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:44.800 It's like these small things and I love Lindsay that you said it evolves because over time you will get time back. 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:50.400 And in the moment it feels like I'm never going to have time to myself but you will and it will expand and expand. 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:59.440 And if you build that muscle of five minutes here, five minutes there, it turns into you know I'm gonna do a full skincare routine before bed and that feels good. 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.719 Or I'm gonna sit and have a coffee with a friend and that feels good. 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:08.159 And so I think if we get into that habit early on then we build that muscle for later. 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:19.039 Whereas if we don't get into that habit early on we risk getting swallowed up by it which a lot of moms just completely lose themselves because we are the easiest thing to set aside. 00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:21.039 Like I'll get to me later. 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:25.679 And so building that muscle in five minute increments, I think that is wisdom, you guys. 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.000 And I I really appreciate that you said that. 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:29.599 So that's so great. 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:31.679 Okay, we are at the end. 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:39.679 So before we get into plugging you Lindsay I just want to remind everybody to listen to the Raising Wild Hearts podcast with Ryan Watkin. 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:44.559 As you can tell she is such a wise woman so articulate and she has a lot to share. 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:45.760 So get her podcast. 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.559 Ryan is there anything else you want to say as far as where people can find you oh my gosh thank you so much. 00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.400 Yeah follow along on YouTube or wherever you listen to your podcast. 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:55.360 I love it. 00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:01.119 And then Lindsay so you guys catch Lindsay on Sunday NFL countdown. 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.079 The season is just about to start actually by the time this airs I think it maybe will have started. 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:07.440 So catch her on there. 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:18.639 Lindsay is there anywhere else that people can find you maybe connect with you yeah you know what I um I'm I'm a little sporadic but I'm trying to be better as we fit all the things into the day. 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:32.719 Uh on Instagram um my handles at Lindsay Theory I have a lot of work stuff there but also a lot of cameos by Cooper and Trevor because they tend to spread joy I mean at least to me I think other people enjoy it too. 00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:41.199 So you can follow me on Instagram or on Twitter but that's Twitter's just straight football Instagram where you get a little bit of both worlds. 00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:42.400 I love it so much. 00:48:42.480 --> 00:49:14.320 And don't you guys find that having your kids as part of your narrative just softens you like it makes you so accessible I think yeah it is I will say having a family became like the talking point that I didn't even know existed when I go to interview people and like it's a commonality that you know a lot of these guys a lot of the players have new young kids because we talk about it a lot of the coaches are also like newer dads or have kids and um again like I just I I once feared like what maybe this would do to my career. 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:23.760 And all it's done is make everything in the world so much more relatable fun loving also a little bit crazy but you know but it's so worth it worth it. 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:29.599 Well I appreciate both of you ladies thank you so much for coming on and what a great start to season six. 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.360 Thanks so much for having me. 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:32.159 Thank you. 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:46.400 Thank you of course bye ladies this has been the Dead Mother Podcast remember new episodes drop every Tuesday if you enjoyed today's episode please leave a review. 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:47.760 It really does help. 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:53.199 Special thanks to Jose Cerna for our theme music and Katie Legou for our cover art