บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ David Rutherford Show: How a Navy SEAL Finds Peace in Everyday Pain | Ray "Cash" Care

what we see on a regular basis with coaching and speaking, because we are, you have so much access to so many people that are struggling. 00:05:54 Speaker 1: Like you're like, you become, I think you become so much more. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: Attuned to that time, that time like, as you said, man, like for us, it's, it's setting and like, holy shit, I still got a lot of shit I want to get done. 00:06:07 Speaker 1: Like, so, but is it really, let me, and let me ask this in the right way. Yes. 00:06:13 Speaker 2: Our perception of that time is more existential. It's more acute, right? We're running out of time that we can be as active and as efficient and as focused as we are. But the other part is like you said, man, like, if I'm sitting still, I'm fucking miserable. 00:06:32 Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. Like, and, and John, my wife laughs at me. She's like, you could, you could, you know, you could. 00:06:39 Speaker 2: Have all these successes, finish all these projects done and, and you'd be done and be like, Oh great. You can have six months down now. And you'd, you'd fuck it up in the next, in the first. 00:06:49 Speaker 1: Week after that. That's the truth though, too, isn't it? Yeah, it is the truth. 00:06:53 Speaker 2: Well, welcome to be an apex predator, brother. You, you get, you get, you get the taste of blood and you want it. I mean, that's, that's what we do. You know, that's what we've done so long. And, for so long, excuse me, is just, you know, we've hunt, we've conquered, we've killed per se, right? You know, whatever, not, it doesn't have to be people, just our mission. We've accomplished it. And then, you know, that's a buzz. 00:07:16 Speaker 1: That's a high. You know, I fucking love feeling like that's why I'm doing jiu-jitsu now. I walk around like Tim Conway off of Carol Burnett now because I'm so damn sore. But it makes me feel alive. 00:07:27 Speaker 2: Dude, well, you're probably still like rolling with the fucking studs because you're a maniac. I am and I pay for it. Like, if you ask me what hurts, it's like, yes. They're like, wait a minute, I didn't even ask you, but yes. I'm going to answer yes. Like from here down, it hurts. Dude, there's this thing called old man jujitsu, Ray. 00:07:47 Speaker 1: You know, you get, you part. I'm transitioning. I listen, you know, they say you should get older. You get wiser. This is what I know. I'm a lot grayer. I'm getting a little wiser. 00:07:57 Speaker 2: I'm, I'm, I'm starting, I'm starting to see that, you know, we're not, I mean, I remember the rut from back in the day, superhero, man, you know, the short hair, the. 00:08:05 Speaker 1: The red pants, all this, you know, you're a savage. 00:08:08 Speaker 2: Um, but it's the little wins now, you know, like if I go to bed at night, I mean, this is for the audience. 00:08:14 Speaker 1: It's a little older. If I don't have to get up and piss at night, it's a win. It's a victory. That is a win, but it's amazing how things change. Perceptions change. Yes. 00:08:26 Speaker 2: Yeah. What, you know, I used to want the fame and the fortune, you know, now I just want to be happy. You know, I've been so, so focused and driven on, you know, trying to be the best at everything. You know, I, and I don't know about you, but I put the wrong things on the back burner and that's my wife and kids. 00:08:45 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, man, you know, you're looking at a new and improved me, man. You're a man of God. I'm a just, I family first, baby. That's what I do, man. Like if, well, you know, what's. 00:08:55 Speaker 2: Crazy is like, even though I know like you, you are the pinnacle of grinders, right? There's, there's people out there that, that profess they grind. And then there's people that really grind. And as long as I've ever known you, man, you you're full tilt, you're full out always. And, and even in the midst of that, I've, I've always heard you talk about like, uh, your wife in a place of reverence and your kids. 00:09:21 Speaker 1: And it's, it's. 00:09:22 Speaker 2: Cool to hear like, Oh no, now that's the priority. 00:09:26 Speaker 1: Right. You know? And, and so let me ask you this, obviously, In our world. 00:09:33 Speaker 2: And, and for those that, that, you know, for whatever, wherever position that you hold operators or former operators at, um, you know, I think it's often they, they believe that there's just, there's an opportunity on every corner for us. Right. And I always talk about, yeah, dude, when I first started doing what I'm doing back in like, Oh, six. 00:09:59 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 00:10:00 Speaker 2: Was a lot more opportunities. Nobody was really out there. 00:10:04 Speaker 1: Doing it, you know? Well, now there are 400 Navy SEALs speaking and coaching and training and teaching and leadership courses and all that. And so it's like, This is cutthroat as hell. And then there's. 00:10:18 Speaker 2: Another 500 green berets and another 200 rate Marine Raiders. And there's, you know, all these agency guys out there now and all, you know, and it's like, like, dude, the market is utterly saturated with, in quotations, operators professing to know how to, you know, teach other people. 00:10:41 Speaker 1: And so, you know, what, what I. 00:10:43 Speaker 2: See is the, the, the, um, what, um, the hospitality of, Amongst peers has diminished substantially. And it's the guys that don't like focus on all that other shit and only deliver a quality service that, you know, that works. And, and, and that keeps you employed. That keeps you going. That keeps that working. motivation to keep delivering something that's unique and different. And that's what I've always seen with you, right? In this, this host of, of dozens and dozens of, you know, good guys that are really have something unique and interesting to pitch. You're always in the mix at the forefront of that crew. 00:11:27 Speaker 1: And what I always. 00:11:28 Speaker 2: Wondered, did you like, you know, now that

you have this new focus of wife and kids, how did you take the pressure at your, off yourself? to try and maintain, you know, being at the top of that class of people. 00:11:44 Speaker 1: Doing whatever it is we do. 00:11:47 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if I've ever taken the pressure off, but I, I think I just, you know, I mean, I know I'm talking to another brother here, but I've, uh, I've just come to terms with like, when I first started the business, man, I was a fucking fraud. 00:12:01 Speaker 1: I was trying to be like, I'm not gonna lie. I'd watch you. I'd watch the people that were doing it. And I would like, I would, I would like plagiarize pieces of what people did, your energy, Jocko's intensity. This guy's this. 00:12:15 Speaker 2: And I don't know, man, I just had epiphany where it was like, you know, you know what, Ray, you're you, you don't have, you don't have the story of Rob O'Neill, you know, people in the red that you weren't shot 26 times, you know, and I'm going to be with Jason tonight and the trails, but what you are, man, is you're authentic and you just love people. And I was just like, when I started being me and stopped worrying about, you know, listen, I mean, dude, I remember when I, I couldn't, I mean, I know you still do your things. You're a lot more quieter, but back in the day, man, if people didn't know you, I mean, the feed was you standing on a table with a pair of red pants, Boston red. 00:12:53 Speaker 1: Side, you were everywhere. And I was like, but that's what team guys do. 00:12:57 Speaker 2: They're like, fuck, I want that. You know, like he's doing, um, you were cool enough back in the day to give me some advice. A lot of guys have, but there's a lot of guys out there that don't, that don't want to pass on that knowledge. And I think all I did was I just, you know, I do a lot of reflection drills. I still do a lot of that, you know, Navy seal box breathing, all the things that we do. And I just took a hard look in the mirror and said, listen, you are who you are. And the only way that this is going to work is if you stop trying to pretend to be other people or, or utilize people's parts. So you know, I tell everybody I'm not everybody's cup of tea. Cause I'm a strong cup of coffee. I mean, that's, that's what I am. Um, and it's, but I will tell you, you know, we, we were talking about, you know, the new venture that I'm doing with Rob O'Neill and them. 00:13:44 Speaker 1: Um, we, I will get into that later. 00:13:47 Speaker 2: That's what we need to do more of instead of competing with each other. 00:13:51 Speaker 1: Yes. Work together, you know, like there is enough to go around. Like there is, are you kidding me? 00:13:57 Speaker 2: That's it. I, Like people, I, I, I, you know, I, I would, I, I don't get them anymore, but I would get regular calls like a rut. 00:14:06 Speaker 1: You know, I actually, I just got one. 00:14:08 Speaker 2: I just got one from a friend who just decided to like, start doing like online, like shorts or clips. And he went from like 1500 followers to 108,000 followers in like two weeks. 00:14:22 Speaker 1: Damn. And he, you know, he called me up and he's like, well, what do I do now? And how do I do this? 00:14:27 Speaker 2: And I was like, well, all right, you know, you can, you need to be on a speakers, multiple speakers bureaus. And then if they think you're fit, that's good, but they're not going to get you all the jobs. You still have to have presence and on your videos do this. And, and so like, I'm introducing him to a couple of speakers bureaus. I've said, Hey, on your, things. Do you need help? Like Jordy's amazing at clips. He can help coach you through what that does and all this. Like, I don't give a fuck, man. My whole thing is like, if I know you and I think you're a good, decent human being, like let's, okay, let's figure it out. Let's fuck. And that's why when I saw you guys come together with this collect the operators collective, I was so fucking thankful because I was so sick of, Oh, he's a fucking liar and he sucks and they're liars and fucking SEALs suck and Rangers are awesome and SF sucks and... marine, you know, I'm like, holy fuck, what the hell is going on right now? 00:15:24 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:15:25 Speaker 2: And so when you guys came together to form this like collective group, I was like, God, that's fucking genius, man. 00:15:34 Speaker 1: It's such a, will you, will you talk about the auspice of this and how you guys figured this out? 00:15:39 Speaker 2: So, um, operators collective was obviously founded by Rob O'Neill, who If you don't know who he is, you live under a fucking rock. And then the manager of it, his name's Ari. I can't pronounce his last name. Great guy out of New York. And he's worked with some of the best. And what they decided to do is just kind of interview to get different personalities and individuals into a speaking bureau instead of like, Hey, you know, the speaking bureau is already going. You have to apply for it. We're going to create a speaking bureau and we're going to expand. So kind of like the dirty dozen and you've got, You know, me, Will's on there, Will Chesney. 00:16:15 Speaker 1: You know, you got Danielle Martin. She's like a big jujitsu girl. Scotty Oates. I know, you know, Scotty. Oh, love Scotty. 00:16:22 Speaker 2: Scotty's on there. Dan's on there. The old red team guy. I mean, we've got Jeff gum, you know? 00:16:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, man. Awesome. 00:16:31 Speaker 2: Kaj was, but I think he had to hang up those cleats. He's working for big Pete right now. 00:16:35 Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw that recently. 00:16:39 Speaker 2: We have this great group of individuals and we put on events and Um, and we just back each other. Like I've did my first event with Rob and you know, he's fucking something else. 00:16:51 Speaker 1: Bro. He's a pro man. He's a fucking pro. I kind of open for him. And that's the thing, right? 00:16:56 Speaker 2:

Like the first thing that everybody, like we all agree on is listen, leave the egos at the door, man. 00:17:02 Speaker 1: Listen, it's, it's Rob show. We got that. Like, yeah, if I'm getting a paycheck, I'm doing what I love and I'm providing for my family. dude, I'll sweep the floors. You know, like I'm beyond all that. You always got to clean the shitters sometimes. Jeff Campbell's on it now too, Jeff. Dude, love Jeff. So, you know, I remember when his, and he used to, he's a great guy now, but back in the day, man, he even said world's biggest recovering asshole. Like he was an angry man. I'm going to see him. I'm not picking a fight with him. He probably kicked my ass, but. 00:17:33 Speaker 2: He was a misunderstood human being. Yeah. 00:17:36 Speaker 1: We just got all these people that are like, they've got, you know, their, their pieces of their zones of genius. And, you know, we're doing all these things. We have a big event coming up in November. Yeah. Talk about that. Talk about it. 00:17:50 Speaker 2: It's called the apex protocol where it is, um, Las Vegas, November. 00:17:56 Speaker 1: 20 through 23. And it's going to entail, uh, two days at staccato ranch. Um, we're going to be doing some, you know, I'll, I'll explain all this to you later. Cause I know you don't know what it is, but, But CQC, Kill House. What's that? We're going to be doing. 00:18:14 Speaker 2: Actually, you know, it's funny, Ray, and I don't mean to cut you off, but it's so funny. I don't know what it is anymore. 00:18:21 Speaker 1: Like the whole from the time we were in and how we ran it. Oh yeah. What it is now. Now they're doing all this shit. I know, man. Oh dude. 00:18:30 Speaker 2: Like every, you're shooting through windows, you're pying everything you can fucking. I like, I'm, I, I am, I listen, dude, I'd get, if I was in a train, I'd get the guy next to me killed. 00:18:42 Speaker 1: Oh dude. Muzzle ups, muzzle down. What are we doing with the muzzle? What are we doing with the muzzle? Um, yeah, but it's going to be, we're building up, we're doing a mile shot, you know, obviously doing a bunch of cool stuff there. Static dynamic movement. Great facility too. Yeah. 00:18:56 Speaker 2: So with people don't know the means beginner moving to more intermediate to who knows, depending on the audience, maybe some advanced work, multi-room entries, you know, practice and simulating breach, doing some stuff like that. Followed by some very select dinners, some very exclusive dinners followed by campfire side chats. Now, a lot of people ask, what is that sitting by a campfire? No, what it means is putting down the phones and, imagine that putting down the phones, no recording and just having real fucking conversations. Um, not a time to embellish, you know, like, Oh, I, you know, I did this and did that. Just, you know, if somebody asks you a question, sometimes you might get, you might not get the book version of it. You might get a different version of it, More

raw version. After those two days, we're doing F1. F1' s there. We got the best seats in the house in Vegas. I'm a huge automotive enthusiast, so that's pretty cool seeing that kind. 00:19:54 Speaker 1: Of power there. 00:19:54 Speaker 2: That's really cool. I've heard that event is growing into one of. 00:19:58 Speaker 1: The coolest events. Vegas is insane. 00:20:02 Speaker 2: Then the final day, I think it's Dragon. I can't remember what the name of it was, but exclusive golf. 00:20:08 Speaker 1: Yeah. you know, teams of golf. I mean, I've got, I signed like five people up friends of mine. 00:20:14 Speaker 2: I'll have seven of my team there, but I think we're only taking 20 or 25 people, very exclusive. 00:20:20 Speaker 1: You know, there is a price point. 00:20:21 Speaker 2: If anybody ever wants it, you can go to the operators collective or you can hit me up and I can talk you to it, but it's just going to be a great time where we just kind of let her hair down and just really train and network and talk and communicate. And I think we need more of this shit because we, you know, post COVID man, everybody turned into introverts and now there's AI that, you know, Lily, I'm surprised. I, I just didn't type something up on AI and have you talk to an AI version. I literally just saw a video this morning of a dude that had a job interview AI person. And then he built the person that was interviewing for the job interview in an AI person. And they, they, after he left the room, the AI guy was like, thank you so much. Let me know if I can help call any times. And then this guy was the other, the other AI was like, thank you so much. I'll get back to you. I'll email you. Then the other guy was, thank you so much. I'll look for the email that, and it just didn't stop. Like it couldn't stop itself and it just kept going. And I'm like, holy shit, where are we right now, man? So that, that personal contact I've always found like even more so than the training aspect, which is always super cool. Everybody likes that. But I always found that those intimate moments where people can ask, ask you a real question and you're going to give a real answer. Like that is the transformational point for these people that are involved. Now, like the one thing that I always see that drives me nuts is like, you know, if you are part of the certain, uh, trained programs that really people want to sign up and they want to beat down and there's something really positive to that, right? It's that positive application of pain. You talk about pain all the time in your stuff as like, and that's like, I love that, that that's, that we're similar in that focus. And I think a lot of us focus on that, but you know, in these contexts, when you're in those discussions, like it's a different assessment, right. Then whether or not you can be freezing, laying down in the surf or you can, you know, uh, patrol all night with a, you know, a hundred pound rock or whatever it is, but these

are just the different ones. And I think that's, what's going to draw people to you guys more than anything, right. 00:22:44 Speaker 1: Is being able to access those conversations. Yeah. Yeah. No, I hear you. I mean, it's, the world is changing, man. It's just, and you know, I'm, I'm only willing to conform so much, you know, I'm setting my ways. 00:22:58 Speaker 2: Like I won't change my morals. You know, I'm not a guy who's gonna, you know, if I don't like somebody, I'll tell somebody I don't like them. I've always been that way. You know, if I do like somebody, I won't let somebody talk shit about somebody behind their back. You know, like I love you. If someone said, you know, Dave's a real POS, I'd be like, Hey, watch it. But if someone said, Hey, Dave's, fucking miserable at reaching back to people i'll be like let me tell you what that piece of shit. 00:23:24 Speaker 1: I own that for sure no i'm kidding but i just think um all this technology like here's what drives me nuts about today i don't know what's real and what's not i know this is real me and you yeah for sure that's i miss the real i miss the interaction shit I remember how, like, I guess I've never done a dating app. 00:23:43 Speaker 2: I'm still, I still have, I still have my woodlands camis in the, in the closet. 00:23:47 Speaker 1: That's how old I am. I don't, you know, I don't wear the cry. I still like the old school shit. That's so awesome. I asked my wife out. People are like, oh man, that's so much work. You just swipe left and right. 00:23:58 Speaker 2: I'm like, that takes, it takes the, it's like, I'd rather go out and hunt and kill something than go to the grocery store and buy it. Yes. One's more convenient, but I miss, I miss the art of, accomplishing the mission you know what i mean yeah yeah it's well i think you nailed it it's the idea of what's genuine and what's not and and the more like i actually saw another thing yesterday thanks everybody for paying attention to this episode uh i hate to interrupt but i have to give credit where credit is due and that's to our number one sponsor black rifle coffee they. 00:24:34 Speaker 1: Finally came out And they named. 00:24:36 Speaker 2: A coffee after me. And this is the rut coffee right there. And so if you know anything about me and instructor rut, you know who I am and what, and they've been so brilliant to depict me as some, you know, massive, beautiful elk with like a 26 million point, you know, rack up there. 00:24:57 Speaker 1: In this beautiful crown. 00:24:59 Speaker 2: So I, you know, I, if, if you haven't tried rut coffee yet, which is named after me, for sure. 100%. And thanks BRCC. 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But But again, like I guess now we're in a place where human interaction is what's vintage and now is retro, right? 00:26:12 Speaker 1: So we're in our retro moment of human interaction. 00:26:15 Speaker 2: We see it all the time. Kids are wearing shirts and shit that we grew up. Like I'm friends with Todd Smith. You know him as LL Cool J. 00:26:20 Speaker 1: My daughter one day is like, daddy, daddy, you said this LL Cool J guy is really good. I'm like, what? Yeah. Like, you know, I had another one like. I was up in college and they're playing Sugar Hill Gang and they're like, no one knows the words. I'm like, I started singing it. I'm like, fast five, Freddie. Yeah, man. They just, you know, it's amazing. We do this. We go in cycles, you know? Yeah. What's amazing is when we were kids, there was no fucking cell phones. Yeah, man. 00:26:49 Speaker 2: But yet I always knew where that special girl was. I always knew where my guys were. And I always tried to rewind in my watch because you know how the deal was. You went out as early as you could. You came in when the lights came on. If you were late, you started coming up with bullshit stories. Cause that's when the beatings. 00:27:07 Speaker 1: Were still, that's right. Part of it. 00:27:09 Speaker 2: And you took your beating like a man and you just did the same thing the next day. 00:27:13 Speaker 1: The next night. That's right. That's awesome. That's awesome. All right. 00:27:17 Speaker 2: So as people come into the operators collective. 00:27:22 Speaker 1: Is all right. 00:27:23 Speaker 2: How do you guys, cause this is the interesting thing. Cause there's so much talent there. There's so many guys that have such really unique perspectives, right? There is the overlay of coming from the community, but everything that I see with your guys is they've taken all that and then they've built on this framework of how they perceive what training looks like, what the evolution of the heart and the mind look like, however you break it down. 00:27:53 Speaker 1: How do you guys. 00:27:55 Speaker 2: integrate those things so they support one another well i mean the way that we've started off now is like you know like we recently had a poker match right so um it's kind of like anything else man like yes we've all earned our seat at the table we were at but rob is like listen you got to earn your seat here too like what do you mean like Listen, if you want to come to the poker event, you've got to go out. 00:28:24 Speaker

1: And recruit one or two people to come to it. Okay. Yeah. I recruit nine. 00:28:29 Speaker 2: You know, hey, if you want to do the Vegas event, we want you to bring a person. Then we're going to do this and this. Right? Like, it's like anything else. I like it because it makes me feel like I'm back in the teams because you've got to earn your keep, man. Yeah, man. And then what we do with that is like case in point. I don't know if you saw it, but Rob just spoke at one of the Trump rallies. And he had, he had, he had will with him and Clint. I'm not going to Clint Emerson. 00:28:54 Speaker 1: I got a lot. Yeah. Clint Emerson. Make sure I say it right. Oh, sorry. And I always say the other name. 00:29:00 Speaker 2: And then Ari called me up and said, Hey man, you've been grinding. You want to come to the next one? And I'm like, I can't because I do coaching on those days. He's like, okay, I'll tell Mr. Trump that, but he just goes down the line with the people that are producing. 00:29:14 Speaker 1: Now it's. 00:29:16 Speaker 2: And when, when I say that, it's not just about making the money. It's about, you know, showing, putting in the effort and the time to want to be. 00:29:23 Speaker 1: On that stage. 00:29:24 Speaker 2: To support the brand too, right? And you're building a brand. 00:29:28 Speaker 1: That's right. It's, it's really hard to do, man. 00:29:30 Speaker 2: I remember, I remember when, when Marcus and Mal, they started, you know, the team never quit Speakers Bureau, right? And, and initially, it was the same people that had been a part of the Patriot tour and, and then, and, you know, and they got it to a certain degree, but man, all right. 00:29:48 Speaker 1: Those things are difficult, right? 00:29:49 Speaker 2: People don't realize that just cause you're on a speakers bureau doesn't mean you're, you're turning down, uh, 25 speeches a day, right? Like, like you're still grinding, you're still staying relevant. You're still, you know, you still have to let everybody know that what you speak about is relevant and can impact their life in a relatively, uh, quick period of time. And, and, and that, you know, and I think, I think watching you guys come together and is really just It's the next iteration of that, right? Of what, what the, just the speakers bureau does. It's, it's like, no, we're all going to contribute. We're all going to enhance the brand. So then that the brand is going to benefit. Then we all benefit down range from it. Like that, that platoon mentality. 00:30:38 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:30:38 Speaker 2: Create impact, leave a legacy and have some fucking fun while you're doing it. That's what Rob says. 00:30:43 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty, you know, he'll be like, Hey, let me make it easy for you. Right. And I'm like, okay. 00:30:48 Speaker 2: Cause you know, we sat and we had a meeting of the minds and Rob was just like, you know, this is what we want to do. 00:30:53 Speaker 1: Plus there's listen in all communities. 00:30:55 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to say who, but there's a lot of backstabbing and a lot of this, this bro shit stuff going on, bro. 00:31:01 Speaker 1: That's shit going on right now. I was called that. And I thought at first it was a compliment, like bro. 00:31:06 Speaker 3: And I'm like, but I miss the days back in the early days of the platoons when just, you know, everybody had everybody's back. 00:31:16 Speaker 1: Now it's, you know, I mean, you know, you know, what's going on with Kennedy. I've been talking, I've been talking to Tim for the last month and a half. So, you know, is he okay? Is he good? He's going to be all right. He's recovering, you know, but good, you know, it's coming, it comes out a month later and then everybody's like. 00:31:31 Speaker 2: The comments, like the guy, the guy got shot three times, no matter what happened before that. You know, I love Timmy, you know, me and Redmond been talking a lot, but like people are always fake. 00:31:43 Speaker 1: I hope he dies. I'm like, Jesus Christ, man. Well, I use that word, but yeah, yeah. 00:31:48 Speaker 2: You're other vets, bro. It's, it's, it's insane now. Like it's fucking insane. I, I, I dealt with it. My first real experience was in our, our, whatever that old chat was. And someone had posted a, a, some company I'd worked for had ripped the piece and put it up on this goal cast. motivational site and, and it went, and it was me talking about Mikey Monsoor and his experience. And I, I use, I use him as an example of this is the definitive, uh, uh, concept of commitment. There's no other level of commitment that's greater than Mike's, you know, what he did for, for, yeah, there's not like, that's the pinnacle. 00:32:36 Speaker 1: And so I use that as an example. And then I go into the speech and that got out and, and somebody put on, this private chat or whatever, like, oh, is Rutt saying that he was there? Is Rutt saying he was in Iraq? Is Rutt saying this? He's pimping. 00:32:54 Speaker 2: And then someone else was like, oh, well, Rutt will pimp his trident to anybody that'll fucking pay him. And And luckily I had like 10 guys kind of be like, you guys are full of shit. He doesn't, he wants everybody to succeed. He mostly helps kids. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Like, and, and, but that's the nature of it. And so, you know, I think the problem is, is, you know, you see enough of that and you, you know, I don't care how tough you are. 00:33:25 Speaker 1: It'll jade you. You'll make you. Yeah. I was hammered for years with the, the men's course I was putting on, you know, you're, you're a snake salesman. You're this. 00:33:33 Speaker 2: And then I tell everybody, you know, listen, this is America, man. If people want to pay, they pay like no one's forcing. This isn't like, you know, you know, this isn't a draft. These guys pay too much money. And I'm like half the people. And one guy, I do, I'm doing a motivational speech.

00:33:51 Speaker 1: It's nothing. 00:33:51 Speaker 2: I'm yelling at people. And he's some air force guy from the, some, from some guy who's never served a day in the military. And I'm like, I literally wrote, did you even like Google who I am? Like, yeah, I did. It said you're a Navy SEAL, but that doesn't mean anything. I'm like, oh, you were air traffic controller or something. 00:34:10 Speaker 1: Air Force. Great. But I don't know why people are like, everybody's just so pissed off. Like, listen, this is. That's what it is. That's what it is. Like, listen. 00:34:20 Speaker 2: I could only imagine how much money you've made over the years. And instead of being jealous and, you know, listen, I'm always like that motherfucker. I wish I had, I would have loved to have the Boston gig. 00:34:28 Speaker 1: I won't lie. Dude, that was a freak accident, by the way, the whole thing, you know, but. but it's like, well, but then the mindset shifts. You worked with UCLA though. That's that's significant. 00:34:42 Speaker 2: Mindset shift is, well, if he can do it, then I can fucking do it. That's how I look at it. 00:34:46 Speaker 1: If, if rut can do it, I can do it. Now you are much more articulate. 00:34:50 Speaker 2: You're a different, different level of speaker than me, Mary articulated versus me, but I have my audience and you have your audience and that's cool. 00:34:59 Speaker 1: And that's, what's so great, you know? And I love that, but I think. 00:35:04 Speaker 2: The bashing is, is where we, I actually, like, I, I don't, I was, I was up at Penn state this weekend, um, for the whiteout game against SC and, and there's a guy whose name's Kat McCombie. And he used to be the CEO of team two, uh, in Vietnam back in 72, the two, the year, uh, Tommy Norris and, um, um, Mike, um, I. 00:35:32 Speaker 1: Know you're talking about Mike Thornton. Yeah. 00:35:36 Speaker 2: So he was there, he wrote them up for those awards. Like he knows them all. And I brought up, I brought up the whole thing that's going on with, um, with, um, uh, Robert's Ridge right now with, you know, how Andy had Mitch Hall on and then the Chapman controversy. And you saw Jason and slab get, You know, senior chief Deming's like called them out in some function or something. And, and like, and I asked him, I go, you know, captain, you know, what do you think about it all? And he's like, he goes, it's disgusting. He goes back in our day, if we had a problem with somebody, we would go to them face to face and we would solve it like men would. But now he's like, everybody wants to be famous. Everybody wants to be the man. Everybody wants to be the guy or whatever it is. And we're, we're not only destroying our community, but we're destroying other communities. Other communities are destroying themselves. And it's like, Now it's turned into this where I think the overall general public is kind of dismayed with– all they got to do is text or grok search or chat GPT is certainly– you know

why do fucking rangers hate seals and it'll list 25 podcasts where fucking we're going at each other and i and i'm. 00:37:02 Speaker 1: Just like okay all right i i is. 00:37:06 Speaker 2: Have we just gotten to that place where we no longer like and you talk about it all the time you're like Hey man, it's on you. 00:37:17 Speaker 1: Like your success is on you. 00:37:19 Speaker 2: And if you start to blame other people for your lack of success or your lack of focus or being distracted or any of that, man, it's going to fuck you up. And if you stay focused on yourself and what you can do every day, you know, then you're good. It's just, I never imagined we would have to develop such a fucking such a psychological barrier, almost like a barrier you had to create buds for the pain. Like now you have to create a barrier for the haters that are attacking you 24 seven. You know, but I will tell you when I'm taking a deuce at some of the best material I read, sometimes I'll even write it. 00:37:59 Speaker 1: Oh, I wish I could snap a picture, but I do, man. I'm just like, Hey, sitting here taking a giant deuce thinking about you. Hope you're well. I just have fun with it, man. Like, Well, that's cool. Because when I started getting hit up on things, I did hit up a bunch of people like, you know, Kennedy back in the day before all the shit happened. Yeah. 00:38:20 Speaker 2: Welcome. 00:38:20 Speaker 1: Welcome to the club, man. I'm like, yeah, man. 00:38:22 Speaker 2: I just didn't think that trying to do something good would affect so many people in a negative way. 00:38:29 Speaker 1: I don't think like that. I'm like, listen, I'm out of here. And that's what I tell everybody. 00:38:33 Speaker 2: You might not like me or what I do, but the question I'll ask is then, what the fuck are you doing? 00:38:37 Speaker 1: Like, let's have a conversation. And then I go, oh, fuck you. Seals suck and you're short. Okay, got it. Got it. 00:38:45 Speaker 2: Come at me with something real. You know, that's the thing I get now. You're short and you've got gray hair. 00:38:49 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, do you want me to get... My dad's dead. Do you want to talk to my mom about this? There's nothing I can do, man. I was in a smurf crew. I don't go around saying I'm a seven-foot tall. I mean... i mean. 00:39:05 Speaker 2: Oh my god i think i've got my smurf over there man i mean. 00:39:12 Speaker 4: It's like anything like it's well let let's pivot let's pivot yeah sorry let's let's talk about all right this obviously when we started you said there's this new perception that's emerging for. 00:39:28 Speaker 2: You yeah and and has that new perception altered the way you're teaching teaching? your stuff or, or has it just altered the delivery of how you do it or what has changed in the core aspect of what you're trying to teach as a result of your new, um, understanding of what would be the best, uh, the, what is it? The, the, cause I think for me, what it is, is recognizing that there's a very limited amount of people that will actually follow through what we try, what you try and teach them. But those that do can find remarkable improvements in their life. And so I had to lower my expectations of the impact I thought I was having because I, I, I ended up, you know, after the whole COVID where everything collapsed for me, like I really had to like reset my, my expectations of success. Like, you know, it's just different. Like it's going to be different now. It's going to be different what I expect. So how have you done that in, in, after this awakening that say it happened for you? 00:40:42 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've, there's certain things that I, I stay out of, right? Like if you look at my post, you don't see a lot of politics. 00:40:49 Speaker 2: I don't get into politics. I'm a Christian, but I don't post a lot of that. I try to keep myself neutral versus being so smart. 00:40:58 Speaker 1: Right. 00:40:58 Speaker 2: Cause listen, here's the thing. I don't give a shit who you vote for, who I vote for. Don't, you know, I don't care if you're straight or you're gay, just don't pour it down my throat. 00:41:07 Speaker 1: Right. 00:41:07 Speaker 2: Like I have friends that are gay. I have friends that are lesbians. I have people that are dumb, whatever. And there's something like, and I have gay people that are like, when they watch the stupid, they go, this, that is not, that is not the gay community. 00:41:17 Speaker 1: That's yeah. 00:41:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:41:18 Speaker 1: Right. Um, tonality. I've changed the tonality. You know, I've gotten more sincere. Yeah. 00:41:24 Speaker 2: I think with age, like, you know, I used to think, listen, when you're young, you're dumb, you know, yelling got a response, but it, it didn't get results. It got me instantaneous results. Cause you know, run in place, people like running in place. But then when I changed the tonality and I made things more, you know, passion and result driven and gave people tools and gave them lessons and gave them drills takeaways and said, listen, like I say this in every speech, right? I'm going to get up here and give you, whether it's, you know, I always break down my speech in the seconds, 2,400 seconds, you know, like whatever, 30, whatever. 00:41:58 Speaker 1: Yeah. Brilliant. 00:42:00 Speaker 2: I explain how time and heartbeat are two most precious commodities we have. Thank you for giving me that many heartbeats in this many seconds. But then after that, I tell them, listen, I'm going to go up here and I'm going to talk about a lot of things and I'm going to talk fast. If you take one thing with you, one, one thing, then I've won. If I, if, if, I mean, I'm getting ready to speak to a smaller crowd, 150 people. If one person out of 150 takes one of the things that I taught them and they apply it or they put it in that physical, mental and emotional toolbox that they carry with them, then I fucking won versus I used to

be like. You know, I tell them get in shape and then I come back six months later and they're still. 00:42:42 Speaker 1: Fat and I'd be like, you know, no, but now it's hey. Okay, I'll approach them the same way, but hey, in the last six months, have you been getting up and have you been doing your pushups? Yes. Have you been making your bed? Yes. My wife, she loves Bill, but she hates Adam McCraven because I make the bed with her in it. But hey, are you staying consistent on your meal plan? We don't use the word diet. Hey, are you having your reward day? We don't cheat, right? And I just. 00:43:10 Speaker 2: Reframe and restructure things to the point where they're lessons learned. Because some of the best BUDS instructors- There's a couple of different ways you can look at it. There's some in Bud's instructors that would scream and yell. 00:43:21 Speaker 1: Yeah. There were others that said nothing. 00:43:23 Speaker 2: And there were some that would break you down and then pull you aside and say, let me tell you why I just did that. 00:43:28 Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what resonated with me. So now when I'm doing my PTs and stuff, you know, I talk about the importance of team, trust, effort, attitude, mission. I don't just go around screaming, be a team, be a team. You have to explain at our level because we run at a very high level of frequency that what team means because when we like team to us means something much different to a normal average person, but when you can relay it to them in a manner that they can receive it, right? Transmit, receive, and then they can apply it. I tell them, my goal is to make you leave here. I want you thinking like you're an ABCL. Will you get the same results as us? No, because we've been doing it a lot longer. But I want you thinking unconventional, out of the box, three-dimensional. And people will take that with them. And I get these great results. Ray, I've lost 10 pounds. I'm stuck. You're not stuck. You just got to regroup. You got to reframe it. You got to work harder. Boom, boom, boom. And it's making an impact. And that's what I want to be known as. 00:44:31 Speaker 2: Like Tim Grover told me. Tim Grover is one of my mentors. I'm going out to his next event. That's awesome. Yelling at everybody, right? 00:44:40 Speaker 1: He goes, number one, you talk so fast. No one can understand what the hell you're saying. All I hear is that slow down and tell people, he just said, slow down and enjoy the ride. Oh, it's more like, listen, Dave, instead of screaming at you, I believe in you. I need you to move your ass. I need you to get up. I need you to, I need you to find it right now. your why, whatever it is. And I need you to get your big ass up and get your fat ass moving. And I talk to people like that. And it's fun. Jason Redman, you know, Jason's one of my best friends. He told me, you're the only guy that can go to church and cuss out a priest and a priest will love you. A hundred percent. That is a hundred percent. I was at church and my pastor said, Hey, what'd you think of this? Well, he always, we leave. Yeah. Yeah. What did you think about today's service? I said, sir, God kicks ass. And he went, And he's like, you know what, Ray, you really mean that. Don't you? I mean, yeah, he just kicks ass. I mean, I just, I got his power in me today. He was like, awesome. And he even said, I would not allow anybody else. Cause he knows it's. 00:45:49 Speaker 2: Coming from the heart. And I think a hundred percent, I'm all heart now, man. Like I've always been, but you know, it's, I just, I get emotional, man. 00:45:58 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm vulnerable. 00:45:59 Speaker 2: That's the, one of the things I've learned with age is, You've always been like, I mean, I don't know if people know how fucking tough you are. 00:46:06 Speaker 1: And how, you know, cause you are, you are, you play the, and I know, right. But vulnerability I've learned since we've last spoken is a true sign and testament of strength. So the more vulnerable I am, like, you know, people are like, you're an ABC when you cry, you're fucking right. I cry. 00:46:23 Speaker 2: I was watching a show and I was crying like a baby church and I've been moved and I've cried and I'm like, like, I don't know why the hell I'm crying. 00:46:32 Speaker 1: You know, but when I feel it, you know, that the difference from the young rate of this one is if, if I feel something and it overwhelms me and it makes me want to scream or I do it, I don't hold back anymore. 00:46:44 Speaker 2: And I'm just, you trust. Cause for me, I think Ray, that is, this is like one of the biggest points. It's like you, when you suppress the, your own intimacy with yourself for so long, you know, trying to portray, uh, not, it's not portrayed. You're not, it's not like it's, it's fake. Cause you're really, you really want to be the best, right? You really genuinely want to be like as dedicated a person to, you know, whether it's the teams or contract and whatever you've focused on that, you know, you, you generate this, this distance from intimacy. And now I think as, as in particular for me, you know, especially since like COVID was this big turning point for me, like, Now I'm like, Oh dude, like there's, there's a piece over here, literally that's affiliated with the concept of feeling peaceful, that it will help create the balance in me that I, I, I think has been absent for as long as it has been. And that's going to make me more grateful for the opportunities I do have. And for, like you said, that one person in the audience, uh, or a response from one of my kids going, Hey dad, when you. 00:48:00 Speaker 1: Said this, this is what you meant, right? I'm like, Oh, like, Holy shit. That's awesome. Um, has, has any of, of, cause I know. 00:48:09 Speaker 2: You're really intimately involved in the Navy SEAL swim and New York and other charities. Has that played a role in not the softening, but like the recognition that

no man, I'm, I'm going to cultivate an emotional intelligence that's on par with my dedication and my commitment to becoming better. 00:48:31 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:48:33 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I think the older I get, the more I'm trying to live up to not, not just what I was, but what I am now. 00:48:41 Speaker 1: And I am a man of commitment and of honor and of the Lord. And, you know, and I think, you know, I learned a lot. 00:48:49 Speaker 2: I've learned a lot of shit since, you know, being the young, you know, Ray, Ray Care Bear to the Ray Cash Care. 00:48:55 Speaker 1: And it's, you know, the more you make, right. 00:48:58 Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean from a monetary standpoint, but the more you consume, it's not the more you take, it's the more you give. So, and then like I told you before, I think one of the most precious commodities, the, the purest form of something that I can give you is my time, my undivided time, my, you know, um, so, um, You know, when I'm doing that swimming, I'm going to make this very clear. 00:49:22 Speaker 1: I don't fucking like swimming. I don't. I've swam a lifetime. I'm not a swimmer like you. I don't. I mean, I've seen you swim. 00:49:30 Speaker 2: I get in the water and people sometimes were like, hey, I need to see your DD214 because they don't believe you. 00:49:37 Speaker 1: Well, your fucking shoulders are five and a half feet wide. But you know what? I honestly feel that. I have to do that because it's a true, it's a true test of my sacrifice. And I don't do it like people, some people do it. 00:49:54 Speaker 2: Oh, it keeps me in shape. I, every, every kick, glide, stroke, every, you know, when I start off, I'm doing this to people because I'm so slow. 00:50:02 Speaker 1: It's, it's for the brave men and women who have, who are, and who will serve this great nation. So it's a small, it's a, it's such a small part. 00:50:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:50:11 Speaker 1: It hurts. Yeah. You cramp up. I usually swim it with Will Branham, old senior chief Branham. But, um, I do. 00:50:20 Speaker 2: That with everything now, you know, we give back to the church and I will tell you this right now, man, when I was younger, it felt great taking, conquering, killing, destroying, whatever it was. 00:50:29 Speaker 1: Yeah. It feels really fucking good. Give it back. Yeah. Like I told you, man, the sun setting, the winds are changing things, you know, are happening. And you know what, instead of fighting it, I just go with it, you know? And if that, you know, if that's going to make me sound like a pussy, I don't care. Cause I can still, I can still smoke most people that want to go. 00:50:53 Speaker 2: And the people that I can't people like, you know, like you and other guys that I know are like, you know, huge into the world of what I do, they get it. 00:51:01 Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't have to worry. I don't even off camera, you'd be like, Ray, I get it, man. Fucking. Cause I am not the same man. I was,

I'm a better man than I was. That's right. 00:51:16 Speaker 2: Because I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm more whole, you know, before I was just looking for a fight, you know, now I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm looking for peace. 00:51:25 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this right now. It's easier to find war than it is peace, brother. So that leads me to my final question. 00:51:33 Speaker 2: And this is something that I have been like, for the last four months has been this absolute thing. I cannot get out of my head. Cause like you were just saying, I realized, Oh, I, I don't know what that is. Like if you want, if like you, I can do fucking 50 podcasts in my sleep. I can fucking speak all day long. I can train somebody to shoot. I can train somebody to, uh, perform better to endure more pain. 00:52:03 Speaker 1: I got that shit down. 00:52:04 Speaker 2: Right. But if you were to ask, Hey, rut, how do I fucking find, have more peace in my life? I'm like fucking like blank. I have no idea what that is or what it means. And so I've really over these last months, I'm like a hundred percent committed to not only for myself, cause I want some more peace in my life. I want that feeling, but more importantly for my wife and for my kids. 00:52:30 Speaker 1: Right. 00:52:31 Speaker 2: And so that it's not always like up here, you know, grinding, like they can feel this other piece of me. you know, that fucking artist, that poet that's in me somewhere, you know, that comes out on occasion. But, and so I now like every time I, I have an operator on, I ask him this question to end with, and I want to present it to you. Cause like everything you've been talking about fits in line with what I'm trying to figure out myself is how do you find peace in the everyday pain of your life? 00:53:09 Speaker 1: Fuck, man. You know, I know you're I knew you're going to ask this question and because I listen, but fuck. 00:53:24 Speaker 2: But I do a couple of things. Number one, I use the like I'm a pain coach. If we're going to sit here and be real with each other, I'm not a motivational coach. 00:53:35 Speaker 1: I'm a pain coach. 00:53:36 Speaker 2: And what I've learned how to do is and I know this is probably super unhealthy. And when I went to go do the the Mexico trip, I was a mess. But I've learned how to compartmentalize different pains, physical, mental, emotional, social, spiritual, financial and sexual pain that I've dealt with in my life. 00:53:53 Speaker 1: Right. They're in these. It's kind of like the old satcom when you got to go through the windows, right? You know what that means. This is pre-138, right? 00:54:03 Speaker 2: 152. This is before all that. 00:54:08 Speaker 1: The tank on your back. That's right. The prick 77, if you will, right? Boy, we're talking some old school here. I've just learned that I reflect on that. And I've overcome that. 00:54:23 Speaker 2: And I honestly think for me, what, how I do is, and I'm different than most is I reflect on daily pain. And then what I do is I put it through the strainer that says the reason why I endured so much pain, why I have, you know, been through what I, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of things I've dealt with and I hope a lot of people never have to deal with. 00:54:46 Speaker 1: And I think it, it, it was a test. 00:54:49 Speaker 2: It was a test to see, if I was strong enough to handle the battles that we deal with so that when the waters did come and they do eventually come that you're happy just sailing with who you want to sail with. 00:55:06 Speaker 1: And for me, you know, you know, I've, I've talked about my wife since day one, man. I'm like you, man. I married a woman I got no fucking business being with. 100%. I've seen yours too. 00:55:14 Speaker 2: Listen, you're decent looking and so am I, but our wives are a lot hotter. 00:55:18 Speaker 1: Dude. And I got great kids and, you know- You do. By the way, you do have great kids, man. From what I- I beat the shit out of my son. My daughter owns me, but yeah, I love them. And I think it tested me and I think I- you know, and life is like buds. You don't pass it. You survive it. You know, man, like everybody's like, Oh, you never thought about quitting bullshit. I thought about quitting all the time. I just didn't do it. I didn't do it. That's right. And I, you know, how did you rank in buds? I passed, I passed, I survived. I survived. I don't know. I don't care. I'm a doctor. So For me, it's reflection. 00:56:03 Speaker 2: I have, you know, if I had to sum it up in one word, it would be reflection. I, the bad, everything that I've endured, everything that I've consumed, everything that I have, you know, I've carried, we carry a lot of shit physically, mentally, emotionally has brought me to where I am now. 00:56:22 Speaker 1: And now I am older, a little wiser. Um, and I'm just, I'm content. I'm happy with who I am. Now, do I still seek greatness? You bet your fucking ass I do. I still want it all. But I've learned to dominate the needs before I go for the once, you know, before. Wow, that's fascinating. Explain that. 00:56:44 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just look at impulsive purchase. Like I am a typical team guy. You know, I've divorced family, wrestler, daddy issues. Right. 00:56:53 Speaker 1: I was abused all this. I could get into it. And I used to do stupid shit. 00:56:58 Speaker 3: Right. 00:56:58 Speaker 1: I used to cheat. I used to be addicted to pretty much everything there is. 00:57:02 Speaker 2: That's why my pastor makes me do a thousand pushups a day because every time I want to pop it, screw it, drink it, smoke it, whatever it is. 00:57:11 Speaker 1: Do this till you don't want to do them anymore. Yeah, yeah. 00:57:13 Speaker 2: And then I also used to be the guy that had five cars sitting outside and I only drove one. 00:57:18 Speaker 1: Of them because I wanted them. I didn't need them. I don't need all that shit. As humans, I don't need this big house I'm in. I'm in this big house

because I wanted it. As we get older, we realize the need is the necessity. I don't need a big house. I just need a house full of fucking love, brother. I don't need three cars. I just need a car that's going to run when I get it. Like I tell everybody, the car, you know, I like my watches. Everybody has their vices. But the watch doesn't make the man. The car doesn't make the man. The man makes the man. And that's what people need to realize. And I stopped trying to be something and somebody that I wasn't. 00:58:01 Speaker 2: I'm never going to be a Dave Rutherford. I'm never going to be a Taco Wilbeck. I'm never going to be David Goggins. I can talk about myself in a third person. 00:58:07 Speaker 1: Break cash care. But no. And I love Dave. I love all you guys. 00:58:12 Speaker 5: But the need is I need to be me and stop wanting to be you. and when people do that, that's when I think they're finally just at ease and at calm and at peace with themselves. 00:58:27 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this right now, man, I don't know. 00:58:30 Speaker 2: Neither one of us know how much longer we have, but I will tell you this right now. 00:58:33 Speaker 1: And this is, this is a true story. If I died right now on this podcast right now, I'm happy. I'm fucking content with who I am, what I've done. Now, And the one thing I've done now is, like I say, every minute is a mission. So my mission right now, I've got a lot of making up to do to people, and I'm sure you do too in some aspects. We all have demons. Every day is just another opportunity for me to be better, not make more money, not go out and buy expensive shit, but to be a better father, a better friend, a better you know when i say lover more intimate like the things that matter right um and that's what i'm gonna do man and you know i've i've kind of taken a step back i mean you see me all over social media and stuff but i'm not yelling anymore i'm happy i don't know maybe i was yelling because i had issues i don't know but i get the same thing done And it's perceived at a higher frequency just when I'm me, you know, like having a conversation like this. And I'll tell you this right now. I got to watch your time. I'm not going to fucking stop and I'm not going to change, but I'm content. And like I said, not many people can say that. 00:59:47 Speaker 2: I mean, there's still a lot of wrongs that I'm trying to write. 00:59:50 Speaker 1: But if I died right now, I'd die a happy man. Amen, Ray. Amen. thank you for that answer. And, and just, I thank you for. 01:00:03 Speaker 2: Being you out of all the guys I've known that have not only from the teams, but in this game too, man, you're one of the most genuine dudes I've ever met in my life. You never act like anything other than yourself. I know the feeling of, you know, challenging yourself against other people's success for sure. 01:00:21 Speaker 1: And all that, but man, you are really a unique, amazing human being. 01:00:26 Speaker 2: I'm really stoked that we're friends and I just wish you all the best with all the other guys. And I just, you know, I'm just, I'm grateful that you're willing to come on and share what you share with everybody. 01:00:39 Speaker 1: I just really respect it a lot, Ray. Much love, brother. Thank you for having me. It's an honor. Seriously. Awesome. All right. 01:00:45 Speaker 2: Where can people sign up if they want to try and go to the apex or you're also doing, you're also doing the agogi with Nick in North Carolina too. 01:00:56 Speaker 1: Right. 01:00:56 Speaker 2: Or South Carolina. Dude, I love Nick. Nick's one of my favorite people. I love that you guys are all the time. 01:01:03 Speaker 1: I hate that. He's a fucking freak. He's a maniac, dude. 01:01:07 Speaker 2: He just what fucking was, I got second place and second. 01:01:11 Speaker 1: Yeah. Dude. I'm like, I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? 01:01:14 Speaker 2: He's like, I love him so much. I'm so happy you guys, you guys. So where can people follow and sign. 01:01:20 Speaker 1: Up and everything? 01:01:20 Speaker 2: It's pretty simple. Um, you can always listen if it's on Instagram, DM me Ray cash care. If it's a professional DM, I answer them off. It's something stupid. You're probably going to get. 01:01:30 Speaker 1: A dick pic back. I'm joking. I'm going to be mean. Um, I'm joking. 01:01:34 Speaker 2: Uh, or you can just go to Ray cash care.com if you're interested in any of the events, but even if it's apex protocol, hit me up, I'll give you all the information and then pass you over to the team. 01:01:46 Speaker 1: November 20th through the 23rd, Las Vegas, Sin City. We're going to have a great time. Awesome. Ray, I love you, buddy. Love you too, man.